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1:21hey everyone it's Amia KH con here with
1:23the early edition of our Fox News Now
1:26update Monica Lindstrom thanks so much
1:28for joining me once again absolutely uh
1:30you're here because we're covering
1:31another big case it's not an Aries
1:34verdict no it has nothing to do with
1:36Jody Aras no uh we're here amazingly so
1:38after two and a half years we're not
1:40talking about areas you know what though
1:42on other days we are still talking about
1:44areas I think last week Troy and I sat
1:46and we ended up talking for two hours
1:48still oh there is so much to talk about
1:51I know it's crazy but that's not why
1:52we're here today we're here to take talk
1:54about Deborah milky the hearing is at
1:568:30 what is going to happen in this
1:58hearing so Deborah milky was on death
2:00row yes Deborah milky was on death row
2:03for roughly 23 years she was convicted
2:06and sentenced for a conspiracy to murder
2:09her four-year-old son so essentially
2:12murder and um her after she was
2:16convicted and sent to death row and
2:18spent 23 years during that time she was
2:20continually appealing her case because
2:22information wasn't disclosed by the
2:25state so just recently meaning back in
2:27March of 2013 the federal court of
2:30appeals said that the case needs to go
2:33back her conviction needs to be thrown
2:35out and then the uh the Arizona appell
2:38Court stepped in and also said that not
2:41only should her conviction be thrown out
2:43but she should never be tried again
2:44because legally you can't be tried for
2:47the same crime twice well they said that
2:49the prosecutorial misconduct was so bad
2:52that it amounts to double jeopardy
2:54because if an appell Court reverses the
2:56conviction you can go ahead and retry it
2:58they won't consider that double Jeopardy
3:00but they said it was so bad that it
3:03should be double jeopardy and it is
3:04double jeopardy so then the county
3:06attorney's office here wanted to go
3:08ahead and appeal that to the Arizona
3:10Supreme Court the Arizona Supreme Court
3:12said we're not taking the case which
3:14means the court of appeals decision
3:16stands so milky is in court this morning
3:19and it should happen that her entire
3:21case should be
3:23dismissed that's a crazy yeah after 23
3:26years on death row capital murder case
3:29she was found and convicted by a jury to
3:32be guilty of the murder of her
3:334-year-old now the entire case will be
3:36dismissed so what kind of prosecutorial
3:39misconduct was there well it really
3:41centers around the uh detective Sate
3:44detective Salat was the main detective
3:47in her case and what he said is that she
3:50confessed to him that she killed her
3:52four-year-old or was involved in the
3:55killing she always maintain maintained
3:57that no I never confessed I never said
3:59that
4:00so when the trial happened he was really
4:02the only evidence against her there were
4:04no other Witnesses against her as far as
4:06I know and as far as I've read I I think
4:09I was in high school during the trial so
4:10I wasn't actually there and um the
4:14problem comes in with his credibility he
4:17has been found uh to be basically um not
4:22a great character in court in other
4:24words he's lied in the past he's had
4:26some uh some problems with his personal
4:30record and none of that was disclosed to
4:32Deborah milky and if anything was
4:34disclosed she wasn't allowed to use
4:37anything at trial but it really comes
4:39down to the fact that it wasn't
4:41disclosed to her that he had these
4:43issues with truth telling in other words
4:46not telling the truth he had those
4:47issues even like during her trial back
4:49then it wasn't after the fact no no it
4:51was stuff that started back in
4:531973 which was several years before her
4:56trial so he didn't or he had these
4:58issues with telling in other words he
5:00didn't always tell the truth and he was
5:02the only witness against her really the
5:05only evidence against her she wasn't
5:07able to put forth the evidence that he
5:09has these credibility issues so the jury
5:11never heard that so she didn't get a
5:14fair trial right that's what it all
5:16boils down to and it was just his word
5:18that said she admitted it there was no
5:20recording or anything like that no other
5:23witness yeah there was no audio
5:24recording there was no visual recording
5:26whatsoever he said that he did take
5:28notes but afterwards he destroyed his
5:31notes so in other words by the time he
5:32got to trial to testify there was
5:35nothing else to indicate that she had
5:37confessed other than his testimony that
5:41was it well whenever you have one person
5:44testifying you need to know about their
5:45credibility do they typically tell the
5:47truth have they ever been caught lying
5:50do they have some character issues stuff
5:52like that he did but the state did not
5:55disclose it the county attorney's office
5:56did not disclose it and because of that
5:58she didn't get a fair trial
6:00Tri big big implications for the county
6:03attorney's office and that's why Bill
6:04Montgomery and the Maricopa County
6:06Attorney's Office fought this so bad
6:08right I listen we listened to uh Bill
6:10Montgomery's weekly press conference
6:11yester or last week here on news now and
6:14you could hear I guess the
6:16disappointment in Bill Montgomery's
6:18voice in a way where it was almost
6:21just yeah and I think the way he's
6:23looking at it is she is a murderer right
6:27he truly believes Deborah mil is guilty
6:29and you can tell that by the way he
6:30answered those questions with the press
6:32it wasn't even I'm going to like I'm
6:34going to be neutral for the media it's
6:36like I want to make it clear we did
6:38everything we can right right and what's
6:41interesting is he wasn't in the office
6:43at the time that this trial happened uh
6:46the prosecutor who prosecuted the case
6:48uh he's not even in the office anymore
6:50either so this was back in 1990 because
6:52the murder was in 1989 mhm so it was a
6:56very long time ago and uh even though
6:59bill wasn't intimately involved in the
7:01case he is now the figurehead of his
7:03office he is the County Attorney so he
7:05needs to defend the office and that's
7:07what he's been doing and he did say he
7:10kept coming out and saying that the
7:12court of appeals decision we actually
7:14had two court of appeals decision the
7:16federal court of appeals and then the
7:18Arizona court of appeals so two separate
7:21courts they both said that her
7:23conviction should be thrown out now Bill
7:26mcgomery come came out and said look
7:28they weren't they didn't have all the
7:30facts in front of them they were looking
7:32at the wrong record or the record that
7:34they the courts were looking at didn't
7:36have all the information and so that's
7:39why he wanted to appeal it to the
7:41Arizona Supreme Court to make sure that
7:42the all the facts and the correct facts
7:45were in front of a court to make a
7:46decision we're actually getting a lot of
7:47viewer questions already I see uh Emma
7:51Stoner is asking could she be tried
7:52federally no okay and Rachel wants to
7:55know Monica will she have double
7:56jeopardy attached even if they somehow
7:58in the future can prove she was involved
8:00in the murder well yeah Double Jeopardy
8:02has already attached so she can never
8:04ever be tried for the murder of her son
8:06again it can't happen the court of
8:08appeals declared that this prosecutorial
8:11misconduct is so bad that it equals
8:13Double Jeopardy that's how we have to
8:15have it now you asked uh the question
8:17federally can she be charged federally
8:19well murder is a state statute pretty
8:22much she didn't do anything allegedly or
8:25uh the two gentlemen that actually did
8:27Kill I shouldn't say gentlemen the two
8:29defend that actually did kill him the
8:31monsters I should say and I'm okay with
8:32saying that because they are convicted
8:33and quite frankly they are monsters um
8:36that nothing happened that would invoke
8:38federal law they didn't cross state
8:40lines they didn't kidnap him and take
8:42him across state lines nothing like that
8:45or yeah so it's only a state court
8:47action so no she can't be tried
8:49federally and Double Jeopardy has
8:51attached she will never ever ever ever
8:53ever ever again be tried in state court
8:55for this so the two men that actually
8:58committed the murder
9:00did they get the death penalty also oh
9:03gosh great question I have to look that
9:06one up because I've been focusing so
9:08much on milky I know that they were both
9:10convicted of murder but I'm not sure if
9:12they're on death row so I'll look that
9:13one up and
9:15see you know I saw another question on
9:18there about um the state can no longer
9:21go against her but can she turn around
9:23and go against the state in other words
9:25can she sue the state and I just heard
9:27there's something like that going on the
9:29news out last week what is she trying to
9:31do well she's essentially suing the uh
9:34the county attorney's office the Phoenix
9:36Police Department for uh wrongful
9:39prosecution that's pretty much what
9:41she's doing she filed a complaint it's
9:4372 pages long I think it's roughly a uh
9:46nine or 10 counts and she's suing them
9:48because they didn't disclose this
9:50information about detective Sate he lied
9:53on the stand the investigation was
9:55shotty police where where it was full of
9:57lies and misconceptions and because of
10:00that she lost 23 years of her life
10:03almost 23 years of her life on death row
10:05so she is suing and can she in I think
10:08she has a very very good case in light
10:10of the fact that two court of appeals
10:12decisions said that there was
10:14prosecutorial misconduct and that it was
10:16egregious not just oh they were a little
10:18negligent they just screwed up a little
10:20bit no both ports had very very colorful
10:24language to describe what the
10:25prosecutor's office did so I think she
10:27has a very good shot it's just so
10:29shocking that she can go from being on
10:32death row to not only being freed but
10:34successfully suing the city for the
10:37court yeah it's just and you know often
10:40times when we hear somebody uh with
10:42their conviction being thrown out or
10:43they were on death row and now they're
10:45free you often hear about it in light of
10:47DNA evidence right like oh we found out
10:49that this wasn't the person that killed
10:52and it it's not like that no in this
10:54case it has nothing to do with DNA
10:56evidence actually has nothing to do with
10:57any kind of physical evidence what ever
10:59it all has to do with Detective s's
11:03record that's really what it all boils
11:05down to crazy I know so did detective
11:09salate continue to have a career after
11:11this trial what happened to his career
11:14he was a very I I want to say successful
11:17detective and the county attorney's
11:19office worked very well with him in
11:21several cases where he was involved they
11:24obtained convictions so he continued to
11:26have his career his job he he doesn't
11:29work for the police department anymore I
11:31believe he's retired um but yeah he was
11:34he was successful although there were
11:36some bles his record yeah despite all of
11:39this
11:40m do you I wonder what he's thinking
11:43right now seeing all this play out
11:44knowing that people are sure using his
11:48uh record oh yeah as the reason she's
11:51free oh well like what are you thinking
11:53in that moment I'm sure that
11:56he he is horrified and upset by the fact
11:59that her conviction was thrown out and
12:01the basis was prosecutorial misconduct
12:03based on his record because a lot of
12:06statements were made about him not being
12:08truthful being a liar uh doing some
12:11wrong things in the line of his work so
12:13he was basically trashed he was
12:15completely totally trashed and I'm not
12:17saying that it wasn't Justified because
12:19the information that was put out there
12:21that the federal court of appeals and
12:22the court of appeals look like appears
12:24to be very true about things that he's
12:26done in his past and I'm I nobody wants
12:31their the bad parts of their career or
12:34their life thrown out there for
12:35everybody to see and then to take those
12:36bad parts and say you are the reason
12:38that she is getting off death row it
12:41just must be uh horrifying and it's not
12:43even like okay from Death Row to life in
12:45prison it's death rad to you're free you
12:47get to do whatever you want you can
12:49travel you can go get your hair done you
12:51can get an iPhone you can play on Compu
12:54don't yeah because they don't get to do
12:56that in death row now remember for 23
12:58years you know she is been incarcerated
13:00and when she was on death row she
13:01couldn't do simple things like uh even
13:03look at the computer go to the Internet
13:05they in it's maximum security right and
13:07death row is like solitary confinement
13:09right right and she was the third uh
13:12woman on death row and then when her
13:15conviction was reversed then there was
13:17only two and that's why her name came up
13:19a lot during the jod Aras trial because
13:21jod Aras at the beginning of her trial
13:24which started in December of 2012 she
13:26was slated to be the fourth woman on
13:28death row if the jury came back guilty
13:30and sentenced her to death well halfway
13:32through her first trial which was March
13:34of 2013 is when the decision came down
13:37that milky's conviction should be
13:39reversed so then Aras became the
13:41potential Third Woman on death row and
13:45um Deborah milky was actually um the
13:48first woman sentenced to death row since
13:521932 we had a very big gap of what 60
13:55years almost without a woman being
13:57sentenced to death row so she uh her her
14:01story kind of ties in with the jod Aras
14:03story and then when during the jod Aras
14:06trial there was um allegations of
14:09prosecutorial misconduct by Juan
14:10Martinez in his office several
14:13allegations countless allegations
14:15actually and when the Milky decision
14:17came out that was used in the Aras case
14:21as a arguing point right those
14:23accusations of misconduct though against
14:25Juan Martinez's office were they
14:27valid well um was it the defense just
14:30trying to come up with stuff to save jod
14:32it it depends on what you mean by valid
14:34was there a good faith basis for the
14:36defense to file those motions to dismiss
14:39based on prosecutorial misconduct
14:40absolutely I really think there was a
14:42good faith basis for it now that is
14:45different than what you need to actually
14:47prove it I think that the defense did a
14:49great job bringing those things to light
14:51and I know a lot of people don't want to
14:52hear that because they loved Juan
14:54Martinez he's fighting the good fight
14:55everybody hates jod Aras I get that but
14:58the defense did their job and they
14:59brought those things up and if they
15:01didn't bring those up then she could win
15:03on appeal for an effective assistance of
15:05council right so they need to bring
15:08those things up so I think that they
15:09were valid in the sense there was a good
15:11faith basis but in reality it doesn't
15:13matter what I think because judge
15:15Stevens decided that there was no merit
15:17to them and she didn't grant that motion
15:19I believe uh deor milky is now in court
15:21so let's go ahead and uh switch on over
15:23and listen the third floor the third
15:25floor and that might speed it up okay
15:28all right uh just wait one second I will
15:31give you the bond exoneration order
15:33thank you your honor that's it thank
15:51[Applause]
15:53you
15:55okay that
16:07all right everybody this is Monday March
16:1023rd 2015 if you are the victim of a
16:13crime with a case pending before this
16:15court you are advised that you have
16:16rights to Justice and due process under
16:18Arizona law that among others include
16:20the right to be treated with fairness
16:22respect and dignity to a speedy trial
16:25and a prompt and final conclusion of the
16:26case to be present at court proceeding
16:29to choose whether or not to be
16:30interviewed by the defendant or the
16:32defendant's attorney to be heard before
16:34the
16:41court all right not quite sure why we
16:44lost that feed just now from court but
16:46it looks like uh we have lost it
16:49temporarily well let me just say what we
16:51heard going on in court right then was
16:53just the beginning of morning calendar
16:55so every morning uh at Superior Court
16:58when you have just the opening or the
16:59morning calendar what happens is the
17:01judge comes out and reads the victim
17:03statement and reads a couple other
17:05General things to the entire courtroom
17:07that's what we just heard her saying
17:09then is the victim's statement where if
17:11you are a victim of a crime please
17:13contact the prosecutor etc etc that's
17:16what was going on uh she hadn't called
17:18the Deborah milky case yet
17:24okay what we anticipate happening is
17:27when she does call the case the the
17:30actual proceeding should not take very
17:32long at all because really the only
17:34thing that is an issue is the fact that
17:36the charges still exist now that the
17:38court of appeals decision stands and
17:41they indicated that the case needs to be
17:43basically thrown out all the judge
17:45really needs to do is say okay the case
17:47will be dis or the cas is dismissed all
17:49charges dismissed that's pretty much
17:51what we're just waiting for her to say
17:52it's like 10 seconds yeah it shouldn't
17:54take very long at all there shouldn't be
17:56any argument at all because everything
17:58has already been argued there might be a
18:00statement made by either side just to
18:03make a statement but none is really
18:04necessary I'm just getting a message
18:07from uh someone on our team that says
18:09the judge has dismissed the case in
18:10State versus milky well there you go it
18:13was that quick that quick there was
18:16nothing to argue at all Wow Let's see uh
18:20Steve craft had tweeted I guess in the
18:22last minute or so let me just check uh
18:24by the way earlier we were talking about
18:26the two men that actually did the
18:27killing of the child
18:29uh both of them were uh they were both
18:32uh charged and tried separately and both
18:33were convicted of a first-degree murder
18:35and sentenced to death which they they
18:37should they should because uh what was
18:39proven was that they had taken Deborah
18:41milky's son to the desert and shot him
18:44three times in the back of the head
18:46there was a question about who was the
18:47actual shooter but there was no question
18:49and the jury determined that they were
18:51both involved and so that's why they
18:53were convicted right
18:56mhm it's it's really really sad yeah I
18:59mean it's just sad because he's four
19:01years old he thinks he's going to see
19:03Santa Claus yeah because what happened
19:06was Deborah milky had taken him to see
19:08Santa Claus the day before at the mall
19:11and she was living with um Styers I
19:14believe it was and because she was a
19:16single mom at that time and when he said
19:18that he was going to the mall uh her son
19:21said well can I go can I go see Santa
19:23Claus again and she said sure you can go
19:26and she says that she wasn't worried
19:28about him him going with their roommate
19:30at all because the roommate had watched
19:31him before so he gets ready to go with
19:34them thinking that he's going to see
19:36Santa Claus and they he was taken out to
19:38the desert and
19:40killed horrible horrible I mean you know
19:43as a mommy and a legal analyst I have to
19:45split my mind so to speak I have to when
19:48I'm talking about the legal aspects of a
19:50case often times I have to turn down
19:52what I'm thinking as a mommy because if
19:55I think about it too much then I get too
19:57upset and so I have to kind of not think
20:01about that and go okay so there was no
20:03evidence other than the alleged
20:05confession that detective salate said
20:08she gave to him and there's no other
20:10evidence whatsoever so my legal mind my
20:12logical mind I have to say okay there
20:15really was no other evidence so this
20:17must be the
20:18appropriate result but then the mommy
20:21mind goes yeah but there was a
20:224-year-old killed you execution style
20:25and that is simply unacceptable and so
20:28sometimes that's really hard when you're
20:29talking about cases like this uh Rachel
20:31is saying Monica I have personal
20:33experience with a detective who screwed
20:34up a case for my sister this case was
20:36thrown out is it possible for cases like
20:38this to be reopened and investigated
20:39again it is possible if there was a case
20:43um that detective Sate was the Prime
20:46witness for in other words he in in this
20:49case for example really the only
20:51evidence against Deborah milky was his
20:54testimony that she confessed there was
20:56nothing cooperating that if there was
20:58another case where the person was
21:00convicted based solely on s's testimony
21:03and his credibility his uh his history
21:06his personnel file was requested and was
21:08not given then perhaps the same result
21:11could happen if the state did not hand
21:14that information over see what happens
21:16is exculpatory evidence the state is
21:19always required to give exculpatory
21:21evidence this is evidence that could
21:23help the defense and some people say
21:25well why should the state help the
21:27defense at all well the way that system
21:29is set up it's the state's job to make
21:31sure that Justice is done not
21:33necessarily a conviction or a desence
21:35but Justice is done and Justice is done
21:38when all the information is put out
21:40there including the evidence that helps
21:42the defense and then the jury makes the
21:44decision theoretically that's what's
21:46supposed to happen his personnel file
21:49was exculpatory evidence because the
21:51courts found that if the jury knew his
21:55proclivity to not tell the truth or his
21:57propensity to lie then they might not
21:59have given as much Credence to his
22:02testimony and instead said oh who wait a
22:05minute you you lie um I'm not so sure I
22:08want to believe this and because you
22:10have a tendency of doing this the state
22:12didn't prove their case Beyond A
22:14Reasonable Doubt so if that happened in
22:16this case it absolutely could affect
22:18other cases if it was a similar kind of
22:20circumstance even if it wasn't a murder
22:22case if it was just a burglary a robbery
22:24something like that the same thing could
22:25happen right uh zero 60 is or 060 is
22:30asking what reason has milky given for
22:32why those two men killed her son there
22:34no reason has been given other than uh
22:37she did take out a life insurance policy
22:39on her son roughly $5,000 and so there's
22:42been speculation that that is the reason
22:44why and in fact I believe one of the uh
22:47Killers said that he was hoping to share
22:49in an insurance
22:51policy first of all that's wrong
22:54secondly $55,000 in the grand scheme of
22:56everything is is not very much
23:02early early you know late 80ly
23:059 $5,000 then is very different than
23:08what $5,000 is now and then when you're
23:11talking about a single mom in um really
23:15we shouldn't really talk about her
23:16anymore because her case has been thrown
23:18out she has no conviction against her
23:20whatsoever she is essentially deemed
23:22innocent she's acquitted um that that
23:25still is enough for some people who are
23:28very very sick in the head to turn
23:30around and kill
23:31[Music]
23:32somebody it's just it's crazy well it's
23:34interesting as I'm reading notes about
23:36the uh the trial so uh one of the two
23:39men that were convicted and now um
23:42they're on death row Roger Scott
23:44apparently was offered a plea bargain 21
23:47years in prison for second degree murder
23:48in return for testifying against milky
23:50and Styers he wanted to take the deal
23:53but then his lawyer didn't let him and
23:54now he's about to be executed did yeah
23:57my my heart's not not breaking for him
23:59right but I'm just saying that in that
24:01position but what is interesting why
24:04would a lawyer of why would a lawyer
24:06choose that I guess if that statement is
24:08true and I've read the same thing and so
24:10you're right you you put it out there
24:12verbatim from what I've read too
24:15something is wrong with that statement
24:17because it is never ever ever ever ever
24:19ever the lawyer's decision to accept a
24:22ple agreement or not it is always the
24:24defendant or the client's decision just
24:27like in a civil case it's always the
24:28client's decision whether to settle or
24:30not so it's possible that at first he
24:34wanted that plea agreement then after
24:36talking to his attorney his attorney
24:37explained to him why that wasn't a very
24:39good plea agreement or why he shouldn't
24:42take that or why his chances were better
24:44at trial and then changed his mind if he
24:47were to actually stand up and say no I
24:50I'm not pleading guilty or I'm sorry no
24:53I want that offer if he had stood up in
24:54court and said that there would have
24:56been a whoa whoa wait a minute time out
24:58what's going on what do you mean you
25:00want that offer yes I want that offer
25:02and then the attorney would have had to
25:03discuss why so there would have been
25:06much more to do about that so
25:08something's not right when we read that
25:10he wanted the offer but his attorney
25:12rejected it no that can't be how it
25:14attorney advised against it so but as an
25:17attorney why would you advise against it
25:20Well here here's the job of an attorney
25:21an attorney is to advise to counsel to
25:24represent to tell the client the entire
25:26story and to give them all of their op
25:28options so I imagine that the attorney
25:30had a discussion with him okay if you
25:32take this ple agreement here is what's
25:34going to happen you're going to get 21
25:36years you're going to get this this this
25:38and this if you don't take the offer
25:40you're going to go to trial here's the
25:42max you could get at trial here's the
25:44minimum you could get at trial here are
25:46all your options so what do you want to
25:49do and then the client would say well
25:51what do you think I should do and I
25:52would turn around and say to them okay
25:54here's the deal let's look at the
25:55evidence against you if we were to go to
25:57trial these are the witnesses this is
25:59the evidence against you it's not
26:01looking so good uh in my opinion you're
26:03probably going to be found guilty so you
26:05might really want to consider taking
26:07this offer in light of that there's
26:09always a chance that a jury will go
26:12against what I say you know jurries
26:14don't always decide Things based on what
26:17lawyers think that they should decide
26:18things on right so they could always go
26:20a different way so that's kind of how
26:21you advise the client but it's the
26:23client that makes the call right now he
26:25could be after the fact to come out and
26:27say well wanted this offer and my
26:29attorney said no he could just be saying
26:31that because he was found guilty and now
26:34he's trying to find a way out of it and
26:36knowing that you were offered this plea
26:38deal to only spend 21 years in prison
26:40and now you're getting killed and plus
26:42your experience in prison is far
26:43different when you're on death row oh
26:45yes for so yeah when you're awaiting
26:48trial uh you're even though you're in
26:52Sheriff Joe's jail that's very different
26:55than prison once you've been sentenced
26:56the Arizona Prison System is different
26:59than Sheriff Joe's jail in fact I've had
27:00clients that have said I don't want to
27:02go to jail I don't want to go to sheriff
27:04Joe's jail it's awful it's terrible um
27:07I'd rather go to prison so in other
27:09words if I have to spend three months in
27:11jail for example give me five months in
27:13prison they would rather go to prison
27:15once you're on death row you are in
27:17solitary I mean you don't have any
27:19contact visitation you don't have any
27:21contact with other inmates so it is very
27:25different 21 years in prison with the
27:27general population is very different
27:29than a death sentence and being on death
27:32row right and now these two
27:35men that were involved in the actual
27:38killing of this
27:40child are being executed Deborah milky
27:45who likely allegedly facilitated this
27:48thing is
27:50free yeah I feel like if I were one of
27:53those men I would be
27:55like WTF right
27:58like what I mean again I understand that
28:02it's all the legal system and you have
28:03to go in accordance with that
28:05but here's the bottom line she could
28:07have been involved okay um she could
28:11have set it up she could have given them
28:13the guns she could have had the bullets
28:15uh that there's a lot that could have
28:19been and might have been but the fact of
28:21the matter is is that the court said
28:23because the prosecutor's office and the
28:26Phoenix Police Department did not
28:28disclose his Personnel record and the
28:31cases and the issues with his lying and
28:33Truth telling that she's going to walk
28:36free and we've heard that that age-old
28:39saying we'd rather have a guilty person
28:42go you know 10 guilty people go free
28:44than one innocent person being in jail
28:47well it's it's kind of along those lines
28:49because as a whole we have to decide do
28:52we want to make a statement and show the
28:55police officers and the prosecutor's
28:56office that they need to follow the line
28:59they cannot cross the line they cannot
29:01make the decision if they have
29:02exculpatory evidence they have to give
29:04it no if Sam buts are about it we want
29:07them to do that and in order to the
29:10courts found that in order to really
29:12push that they had to let her go so it
29:16was never an issue about whether she was
29:18guilty or not it was an issue about his
29:20personnel file and how it was not
29:22disclosed it was all about prosecutorial
29:24misconduct and if you want some
29:26interesting legal reading I highly
29:28recommend you out there to Google the
29:31decisions there was one from the federal
29:33court of appeals and there's one from
29:35the Arizona court of appeals very very
29:37interesting decisions they're not that
29:39different from each other but they are
29:41some of the most strongly worded
29:43opinions that I have ever
29:45read so okay this is one situation where
29:48Sal's record affected a case what have
29:51there been other cases in recent years
29:53that have been overturned as a result of
29:57things Sal said there is actually in the
30:01I think it's in the state court of
30:02appeals decision and I have it here so I
30:05can look it up here in a little bit it
30:08actually goes through cases that were he
30:12was involved in that were having issues
30:16um let's see yeah there's a list right
30:18here in fact the ninth circuit offered
30:21the following summaries of these cases
30:23and these all involve sedal there was a
30:25June 22nd 1990 case in state V King it
30:29goes on to talk about a 1989 case State
30:33V Reynolds a 1986 case Rodriguez 1989
30:38Wrangle um 1984 yanes 1990
30:43Jones um so there are several cases that
30:47are listed not only in the civil suit
30:49but listed in the ninth Circuit Court of
30:50Appeals decision it talks about um sel's
30:55interrogation of witnesses
30:56notwithstanding their capacity due to
30:59intoxication I mean you can't you know
31:01interrogate a witness if you know
31:03they're so drunk that they don't even
31:04know what they're saying uh claims that
31:06he fabricated several witnesses
31:08statements in another case phraser um he
31:11ignored assertions of right to remained
31:14silent and continued questioning a
31:16defendant he ignored repeated requests
31:18for counsel during interrogation in
31:20another case improper interrogation of a
31:23minor with a known history of mental
31:26impairment and psychological problems in
31:28fact I believe that the interrogation of
31:31um it was Scott who was one of the other
31:34defendants in this
31:35case he after something like two days he
31:40hadn't had food he hadn't had his
31:41medication and it was proven that he
31:44needed to have his medication for
31:45physical and mental issues so there were
31:49it seems that a lot of the allegations
31:51against Sate had to do with
31:53interrogation and questioning not
31:54following proper procedure basically not
31:56following the consti you know your right
31:58to remain silent your right to have a
32:00parent there if you're a minor you know
32:02things like that um he just didn't
32:04follow the rules and he didn't tell the
32:06truth about it Cena is asking will the
32:08men get appeals don't you automatically
32:09get appeal if you're sentenced when
32:11you're sentenced to death you
32:12automatically get an appeal automatic uh
32:15even if you don't want one you just want
32:17to die it doesn't matter you're going to
32:18get an automatic appeal first and then
32:21after that you can appeal any issues
32:23that came up during the trial itself and
32:25then there's another appeal that you can
32:27have after that and that's one reason
32:30why the death penalty is so expensive
32:32people are often you know oh just kill
32:34them you know it's got to be cheaper
32:35than keeping them in prison for the rest
32:37of their lives especially if they're in
32:38their 20s right well actually it's uh
32:42from all the statistics that I've read
32:43in the numbers that I've seen the death
32:45penalty is actually more expensive
32:48mostly because of all the legal issues
32:50that come with it and people like to
32:52blame that on the defense attorneys but
32:53it's not the defense attorneys I mean
32:55there's an automatic mandatory appeal
32:58foren cases death sins so that has
33:01nothing to do with the attorneys that's
33:02the way the system is set up our justice
33:04system is set up to do that so the death
33:06penalty is actually more expensive
33:08people will often ask me well Monica
33:10what do you think about the death
33:11penalty I don't have a problem with it
33:13that's what our law is here in Arizona
33:15and so it is what it is what I don't
33:18like is how much money has to be put
33:20towards that when hopefully or you know
33:24theoretically you think that that money
33:25could be put towards something else like
33:27oh I don't know education I think that's
33:30something a lot of people's arguments
33:31here in Arizona I know so okay and uh
33:35for some a lot of people may have just
33:36joined us they may have missed the first
33:38part of this discussion Jonathan's
33:39asking why was she set free to begin
33:41with I have not followed the case that
33:42much just bits and pieces so maybe we
33:44can recap it I know we have a camera
33:46outside of court so I'm just monitoring
33:48this screen in case we see an
33:50opportunity where uh Steve craft is out
33:53there maybe gets an interview with milky
33:54we'll switch over if that happens you
33:56know before I answer that question let
33:58me um Steve and I were talking this
34:00morning and he said do you think milky
34:02is going excuse me here this is yours by
34:04the way I got this do you think milky is
34:06going to talk and I said well typically
34:09as a lawyer when there's a case pending
34:11you want to tell your client don't talk
34:12just don't do it because anything you
34:14say can be used against you right
34:16whether it's criminal or civil well her
34:18criminal case has been completely
34:19dismissed but her civil case just
34:22started the one she filed yes the one
34:25that she filed and it's for basically U
34:27you know wrongful prosecution and I said
34:29well there's actually a lot that she
34:31could say that I don't think would hurt
34:33her civil case so it wouldn't surprise
34:35me if she did come out and read a
34:36prepared statement or her attorney came
34:39out and read a prepared statement such
34:41as I'm very upset by the treatment I
34:43received I think it was wrong to
34:45prosecute me for 23 years I could see
34:47her actually saying
34:49something would anyone do you think
34:52anyone out there any reporter would be
34:53gutsy enough to ask her did you were you
34:55involved in the killing of your child oh
34:57of course the reporter would ask that I
34:59mean that's are we expecting that today
35:01are 20 it could happen and you know what
35:05she actually could come out and say yeah
35:08I did and it doesn't matter she could
35:09stand on the courthouse steps and she
35:11could say yes I helped plan the murder
35:14of my four-year-old little boy and
35:16there's nothing that they can do about
35:18it a lot of people would be pissed off
35:20though oh oh my gosh there the anger
35:22would be incredible but then it goes
35:24back to the decision of we need to show
35:28that the state and the police officers
35:30have to be the utmost honest they have
35:33to be the epitome of honesty and they
35:37weren't in this case according to the
35:38court of appeals so because of that we
35:41have to draw a line in the sand and we
35:43have to let her go in order to show how
35:47important this really is that they
35:49disclose this information they follow
35:51the Brady order of disclosing all
35:54exculpatory information so okay so let's
35:56recap okay okay so Deborah milky was
35:59convicted and sentenced to death row for
36:02the murder of her four-year-old little
36:04boy two men had taken him out to the
36:06desert and killed him in uh they shot
36:09him three times in the back of his head
36:11the allegations were that she was
36:13involved in that not that she went to
36:14the desert not that she did anything uh
36:17to actually kill him but that she was
36:19complicit in the entire plan and the
36:21conspiracy well the only real evidence
36:24that was presented at at trial against
36:26her I should say the strongest evidence
36:29was detective s's testimony he said that
36:32she had confessed to him that she was
36:35involved in the killing of her son the
36:37problem is there was no audio recording
36:39of it there was no video recording
36:42because this was a long time ago before
36:44those were Norms right this uh murder
36:46happened in December 1989 okay so this
36:48was way back before you know go cams and
36:52video cameras iPhones video cameras
36:55existed but smartphones definitely did
36:56not um and he said that he had taken
36:59notes but that he had destroyed those
37:01notes so it was basically his testimony
37:04against hers uh she always maintained
37:07that she never confessed to him well
37:10during the trial the first
37:13trial the defense had asked for his
37:15personnel file had asked for detective
37:17Sal salat's personnel file which is a
37:20very typical thing and almost every
37:22single trial you always ask for the
37:25officers the detectives Personnel f to
37:27find out do they have any issues with
37:29lying uh truth telling have they been
37:31suspended Etc so it's a very normal
37:33thing they asked for that and it was not
37:35given to them well the prosecutor's
37:37office and the police department knew
37:39that detective Sate was involved in
37:41various instances of misconduct and
37:44allegations of not telling the truth
37:46Deborah milky was never given that
37:47information which means that it was
37:49never presented to the jury had the jury
37:51known that information they might have
37:53decided not to believe detective Sate
37:56they might have decided that the state
37:58did not prove its case against her
38:00Beyond A Reasonable Doubt so the fact
38:02that that was not disclosed this the
38:05courts determined that that was uh
38:08prosecutorial misconduct and it was so
38:11bad and so egregious and the state
38:13should have known to disclose that
38:15information that Deborah milky's
38:17conviction should be thrown out and that
38:19is what's been going on March 2013 is
38:22when we got the first decision that her
38:24conviction should be reversed from the
38:26Federal Court of Appeals and then uh the
38:29Arizona court of appeals weighed in
38:31several months later and said the same
38:33thing when that happened then uh Bill
38:35mcgomery the Maricopa County attorney he
38:38filed an appeal with the Arizona Supreme
38:41Court to look at it and to basically
38:44reverse the court of appeals and allow
38:46the retrial of Deborah milky for the
38:48murder of her four-year-old son and the
38:50Arizona Supreme Court decided not to
38:52accept that case and when that happened
38:55then uh there was really nowhere else
38:57for the county attorney's office to go
38:59so they were in court this morning for
39:01the judge to go ahead and dismiss the
39:03capital charges against her there's your
39:05recap so yes they had this scheduled
39:09appearance in court this
39:10morning was there even a 1% possibility
39:14the judge would have said something else
39:16uh in my mind no because what what if
39:19what are the other things that the judge
39:21could have said there's really not much
39:24that the judge could have done because
39:26with the Arizona Court of appeals
39:28decision instructing the superior court
39:31so in Arizona we have trial courts then
39:34we have the Superior Court which is
39:35which is essentially our main trial
39:37court level then we have the court of
39:39appeals and we have the Supreme Court so
39:42the court of appeals instructed the
39:44Superior Court to dismiss the charges so
39:47the judge in the superior court I
39:48suppose that she could have said I know
39:50I've been instructed to do it but I
39:52won't do it well that's not her job to
39:55make that call she has been told by her
39:56Superior so to speak that she needed to
39:59dismiss the charges so that's what
40:02needed to happen today I couldn't
40:04something else could have always
40:06happened but it wouldn't have been um
40:08proper and um Montgomery's office went
40:11then to
40:12the Supreme Court which is the highest
40:16in this chain of Courts the county
40:18attorney's office went to the Supreme
40:20Court which is the highest court in our
40:22state and asked it to look at the case
40:25and to rule the court of appeals was
40:26wrong uh the Supreme Court said we're
40:28not accepting the
40:29case and that that was it there's
40:32nothing else really to be done so this
40:34morning Deborah milky will walk out of
40:36court if she hasn't already uh a
40:38completely free acquitted person she can
40:42do whatever she wants she can travel she
40:45can go to Germany she can have computers
40:48iPhone smartphones shaver head dire hair
40:51color and I say that because that was a
40:53big deal when she appeared in court
40:54after being released the first time
40:57someone on here I don't know if this is
40:58true they said that uh jod Aries is
41:00going to be in Deborah milky's former
41:02cell well she's
41:06um I I I mean she could be technically
41:10uh but not for very long and it's not
41:12like the cell actually belongs to
41:14Deborah milky uh but it's you know where
41:16she called home so yeah it could be
41:19absolutely could be there are several
41:20cells in pervel along death row uh for
41:23women because they have them divided
41:25between men and women um um so yeah it
41:28could
41:28[Music]
41:30happen so I even though one of the men
41:36convicted in this trial SC he had um
41:40said that milky wanted her son killed
41:43that wasn't evidence enough that wasn't
41:47used at all against her no the and even
41:51if it was no one deemed it to be
41:55reliable yes reliable or strong enough
41:57information because or testimony because
41:59think about it this way you have two men
42:02that actually killed him and are you
42:06going to believe them when they say that
42:09she helped us or it was her fault or it
42:11was her plan I mean inherently their
42:13testimony or their evidence would be
42:15deemed unreliable you you're you would
42:18say well you're just saying that because
42:20you don't want to take responsibility or
42:21you want to pull someone down for you
42:23but then there's been other stories out
42:25there where neither one of them really
42:27implicated her at all I mean neither one
42:30of them um came right out and said it
42:34was her plan she did it you know there
42:36there's stories back and forth about who
42:38said what and when but if that was true
42:41if they had both testified that she had
42:43done this perhaps the jury would have
42:46coupled their testimony with seles and
42:49we wouldn't be in the same situation we
42:50are but the bottom line is detective s's
42:54testimony was the most relevant right so
42:57the fact that they didn't almost implies
42:59that she wasn't involved yeah it could
43:02definitely imply that but then you
43:04wonder okay even if she wasn't involved
43:07and these two guys knew that detective
43:10Sate was testifying that she had
43:12confessed why wouldn't they jump on the
43:14bandwagon and say absolutely she was
43:16involved in order to get some kind of
43:18deal right you know so it it makes you
43:20wonder why didn't they come out against
43:22her completely I have no idea that's I
43:25that's the puzzling part it it is
43:26puzzling because because even if she
43:28really wasn't involved at all right
43:29which under the law right now she's
43:32deemed to not have been involved at all
43:33because she is she has no conviction
43:35whatsoever you would think that they
43:37would
43:38lie right I mean they're already in that
43:40position anyways right so you would
43:42think they would lie cheat and steal in
43:44order to get a better deal but
43:46apparently not they have the worst of
43:47the worst Deals they have were sentenced
43:50to death yeah yeah so you would think
43:53they would use anything to help
43:55themselves um and
43:57uh yeah just to bring up that Arizona is
44:01not a state that sentences women to
44:04death row very often right it it doesn't
44:06happen very often which a lot of our
44:08viewers learned very recently yeah when
44:10we talked about Aras um she Deborah
44:13milky was the first woman that was
44:15actually convicted and sentenced to
44:17death row since
44:191932 and she was one of three women on
44:22death row when the areas trial started
44:24back in December of 2012 and then by
44:27March 2013 that's when the first
44:29decision came out uh about her
44:31conviction and the problems with her
44:32conviction so like right now since jod
44:36Aries didn't get the death penalty and
44:37Deborah milky is off there are only two
44:39women on death row in Arizona and if
44:41you're interested to look at who those
44:43women are and what they did and if
44:45you're interested to see the over 100
44:47men that are on death row see two women
44:50over a 100 men uh you can go to the
44:52Arizona Department of Corrections or
44:55Arizona Prison website and they actually
44:57have tabs there that give you all the
45:00information about who is actually on
45:01death row what their date of convictions
45:04the facts about their case and uh any I
45:07can't remember if there's possible
45:09execution dates or not but you can get a
45:11lot of information on there there's a
45:13lot of FAQs on there about death row
45:15itself very interesting I'm going to
45:17pull up some uh old style video
45:20including a photo of Deborah milky so
45:23people who are watching at home can have
45:25some context uh this this is the woman
45:27that we are talking about this is deer
45:29milky uh is that detective salate I'm
45:33not sure I believe oh I think yeah right
45:35here yep so that is the man who is
45:37accused of miscon that's Christopher
45:39milky four years old super cute kid it's
45:42I don't even want to look at the picture
45:43it's just so
45:45upsetting he would have been 29 years
45:50old and there's Deborah milky sitting
45:52there with her attorneys uh with her new
45:54haircut and style which the only reason
45:56I bring that is because people in the
45:58social media world just went crazy when
46:01they saw um her her different look but
46:05obviously she's going to look different
46:06when she's off death row
46:09right and she was released when all this
46:12was going on she was actually released
46:13from prison she wasn't held in
46:16prison and then there she is uh before
46:19she was released and there she is back
46:22when the murder
46:24happened wow
46:27so um the n9th Circuit Court of Appeals
46:30they issued its decision March 14th of
46:332013 and it said and I'm just reading a
46:37summary from it the uh the panel which
46:40is the judges from the federal circuit
46:42or the federal court of appeals said the
46:44state knew of the evidence in the
46:46personnel file of detective Sate and it
46:49had an obligation to produce those
46:52documents and that there is a reasonable
46:54probability that disclosure of that EV
46:56evidence so of detective sel's personnel
46:59file the problems that he had uh with
47:01truth telling or lying and some some
47:04instances of where he propositioned a a
47:06woman for sex than um there's a
47:10probability that disclosure of that
47:12evidence would have led to a different
47:13result the panel remanded with
47:15instructions that the district court
47:17Grant a conditional rid of habius Corpus
47:19setting aside the conviction and
47:22sentence and then the decision continues
47:25um it said that the State remained
47:28unconstitutionally silent so in other
47:30words the county attorney's office and
47:32the prosecutor Norman Levy they
47:35unconstitutionally remained
47:37silent uh instead of disclosing the
47:40information about detective sela's
47:42history of misconduct and accompanying
47:44court orders and disciplinary action the
47:47panel held that the state Court's
47:49failure to comply with Brady which is
47:51the case that talks about giving this
47:53evidence over resulted in a decision by
47:56by the state post conviction court that
47:59was contrary to clearly established
48:02Supreme Court law and that the state
48:05court so misread the evidence that um it
48:09was wrong as a result of these two
48:10failings the court of appeals could not
48:13Accord deference to the state Court's
48:15decision to convict her so I mean pretty
48:19strongly worded uh opinion here very
48:23very interesting you can find that if
48:25you go to you can actually just Google
48:28it and Google uh federal court of
48:30appeals milky decision it was uh
48:34cv98
48:3660 if uh anybody out there wants to look
48:40it up very
48:44interesting
48:46wow and then it also as I mentioned
48:49earlier in our Q&A it lays out the cases
48:52that detective s Sate was involved in
48:55where there were issues and problems and
48:57what those issues and problems were so
48:59it gives you a really good history of
49:01him at least um as an officer a
49:04detective and that it also gives more
49:07information about this case itself and
49:09it's really this entire the court of
49:11appeals decisions had nothing to do well
49:13I shouldn't say nothing but mostly it
49:16had nothing to do with whether Deborah
49:18milky was guilty or not or involved in
49:20the killing of her son or not it was
49:22mostly about detective s's record and
49:26how it was n disclosed and I think that
49:28that that is what is extremely important
49:33here so
49:35if salate hadn't said that it's possible
49:39that Deborah milky could have still have
49:41been found guilty just maybe not placed
49:42on death row oh yeah it's possible that
49:44if the defense had brought out the
49:47information about s's Personnel record
49:49the problems he had in 1973 about uh
49:52propositioning the woman for sex and
49:55which by the way is a no no for
49:56[Music]
49:58yeah big no no um and then all the other
50:01cases where he was having trouble with
50:03his credibility if they had brought that
50:05out the jury could have listened to it
50:07and said no we we still believe him and
50:11we believe that the state proved its
50:12case Beyond A Reasonable Doubt
50:14absolutely could have still done that
50:16and then the conviction could still be
50:19on the records she wouldn't be free
50:20today if only the state had disclosed it
50:23so it's really just that one it's the
50:26fact that it wasn't disclosed so number
50:28one the fact that the evidence existed
50:31and number two that it was not disclosed
50:33and she wasn't able to use it in trial
50:36credibility of witnesses is huge because
50:38the jury is instructed that they are the
50:40sole triers of fact and of credibility
50:44it's their call they we we could have um
50:47you know a an extreme position here the
50:50pope on the stand where people consider
50:53him to never lie always tell the truth
50:55be of the utmost character but if the
50:57jury doesn't like him they don't have to
50:59believe him it's their call their
51:01decision but the job of the state is to
51:03put all the information out there all
51:05the relevant information that's out
51:07there and the court said in this case
51:09they didn't do that and that's why there
51:11was a
51:13problem how did this Detective still
51:16have his
51:18job he did keep his job after all this
51:22but he's not working anymore I believe
51:24he's retired right I'm just yeah
51:27all the allegations even through the 7s
51:29and 80s that he was still a
51:32detective 1989 1990 I think that's just
51:35surprising because I feel like if those
51:37sort of allegations came to light in
51:40this day and age oh he would that would
51:42not be yeah it would not he would be
51:44suspended immediately absolutely but I
51:45think part of that is because we have
51:47social media we have the media that is
51:50so involved and our information can be
51:52passed so quickly I mean Twitter we can
51:54put something out on Twitter and all of
51:56a sudden people around the world know
51:58what's going on within what a second so
52:02we departments wouldn't be able to hide
52:05that or sweep that under the rug or keep
52:06it quiet and detective Sate was a very
52:10successful prose or uh detective for the
52:12prosecutor's office I mean he worked
52:14hand inand with them and they received
52:16several convictions where he was a
52:18witness in the cases
52:19so it's not something that they would
52:22have wanted out there right but you're
52:25right in today's time he wouldn't have a
52:27job I think that's what's puzzling me so
52:28much because if I heard of any of this
52:31uh police misconduct detective it would
52:35right we would be covering it like crazy
52:36on the news and yep as the media we
52:39would make sure thater it out we would
52:42make sure this guy wasn't in that
52:44position to do something like this right
52:45because that's information that the
52:47public would need to know and should
52:49know because the officers are supposed
52:51to be of the utmost character and
52:52protect us and be honest prosecutors are
52:55supposed to make sure that Justice is
52:56done so the media would have that out
52:58there and in fact let's go back to the
53:00Aras case for a minute just as an
53:02example the the defense alleged
53:04prosecutorial misconduct and really
53:07police misconduct because with we had
53:10the hearing that lasted days about the
53:12computer and what the investigators did
53:14with the computer and if they had erased
53:16things if they had um incorrectly uh um
53:21seize the evidence turn the computer on
53:23I mean that was a big deal and lasted a
53:25long time
53:27so that that's an example that's why
53:29they were spending so much time on the
53:30computer was to prove prosecutorial
53:33misconduct yes absolutely that's why the
53:35defense had that hearing and kept going
53:37going going after it was to show
53:39prosecutorial misconduct because they
53:41knew especially after the Milky decision
53:43came out that if they could show a
53:45prosecutorial misconduct that was
53:46intentional and egregious that jod
53:49aras's case could be thrown out that's
53:51what happened with milky that answers a
53:53lot of viewers questions because for so
53:55long you know we'd sit up here and they
53:57would ask us questions such as why the
54:01defense keeps bringing up the computer
54:04over and over they thought it was
54:05completely irrelevant to the fact that
54:08Travis was shot and stabbed 27 times you
54:11know yep but that's a really interesting
54:14point because if they were
54:17successful and prove misconduct Aras
54:20could be free she could be just like
54:22milky right now mhm but they didn't
54:25prove it now we will hear is isues again
54:26about prosecutorial misconduct in the
54:29Aras appeals that absolutely will be
54:31there um will Aras get an appeal though
54:34that she has to be approved for an
54:35appeal right since she didn't get the
54:36death penalty yeah she didn't get the
54:38death penalty so she doesn't get a
54:39mandatory appeal but she has enough
54:42issues that came up during the trial
54:45whether they'll be enough to win an
54:47appeal or not she has plenty of ISS they
54:50argue well they would argue all the
54:51prosecutorial misconduct again all
54:53throughout the entire trial um and then
54:56they could argue U issues about the
54:59collection of evidence which is also
55:00part of the prosecutorial misconduct the
55:03fact that Witnesses did not want to
55:04testify for her uh because they didn't
55:07want to testify in front of the media
55:09she'll try to bring that one up I don't
55:10think it will work because the Supreme
55:13Court declined to hear that issue so the
55:17court of appeals decision uh stood in
55:19that one but we'll hear more about it
55:22and speaking of hearing more about
55:23prosecutorial misconduct so Deborah mil
55:26filed her civil case against the county
55:30attorney's office and the Phoenix Police
55:32Department and uh detective Sate along
55:35with several other detectives that were
55:37involved they filed this in the United
55:39States District Court District of
55:40Arizona so federal court not in state
55:43court but in federal court and this was
55:45filed um what is the exact date here
55:48where's it at uh March 13th 2015 is what
55:53I have here yep and uh the cause of
55:56ction is a violation of us statute
55:591983 claim for deprivation of Liberty
56:03without due process of law and violation
56:05of rights to a fair trial among other
56:08claims so it's a 1983 claim it's a claim
56:11that you often hear defendants talk
56:13about their civil rights claim is a 1983
56:15claim basically prosecutorial misconduct
56:18and she shouldn't have been put in
56:20prison hold on stuff is happening
56:22outside court right now there she is I
56:24do what tell me your reaction
56:26back off back off can you tell us your
56:30reaction I have more to say tomorrow
56:33anything you can say to us today I feel
56:35good you feel Vindicated now I I will
56:38say more tomorrow why
56:45tomorrow please her some
56:48[Music]
56:50space what are your plans
56:54now I'm I'm not saying anymore I have a
56:58press conference tomorrow your reaction
57:00Mike oh it's wonderful
57:03day this is
57:06unbelievable anybody here sorry say
57:09again thrilled and relieved what's the
57:11next step tell us about this case
57:13against prosecutors a civil lawsuit why
57:15you feel M that this needs to be
57:17rectified I'm not involved in the civil
57:19suit Mike is so Mike talk to us about
57:21that please well probably should have
57:23the lead civil attorneys that are going
57:25to be involved in that case make
57:26statements about it but obviously it's
57:28been filed because there's a statute of
57:29limitations issue that was facing in it
57:32I think the complaint that was filed
57:33speaks for itself so it will go on from
57:36there but probably the civil attorneys
57:37who are above will be the people you'll
57:39really need to have address all of the
57:41issues in that case and deah what are
57:43you going to do now with the case
57:44dismissed people there's still a lot of
57:46people think that you were responsible
57:48for the killing of your son anything you
57:50can say about
57:52that we'll address everything tomorrow
57:55please
58:14what was it like getting
58:19that bre fresh air I've been breathing
58:22fresh air for a very long time anything
58:25you going to do right now to
58:27celebrate not right now in a
58:31bit thank you very much was like to see
58:34Stephanie
58:37today she said she wasn't able to see
58:39you for for quite a while because of the
58:41arrangements and things what did you say
58:43to around the whole
59:12[Music]
59:14what do you think
59:15about we're having a press conference
59:18tomorrow and I will address Mike
59:20apparently you're having a news
59:21conference tomorrow we are3 we're going
59:23to have a news conference TR question at
59:26that time it's just hard right now I'm
59:28sorry about that you know then you got
59:30me here all times when I got a broken
59:33[Laughter]
59:35foot we'll see you tomorrow at your
59:37office okay well it won't be at our
59:40office it's going to be over at Lor's
59:43office and there's a building there uh
59:46in the above the parking garage where a
59:48little
59:49overwhelmed I feel um crowed right now
59:53excuse us thank you thank you
59:57taking a while to get used a long long
1:00:01journey with so many ups and downs it's
1:00:03really hard to believe that it's finally
1:00:05happened that all of a sudden she's
1:00:08totally exonerated that you know that
1:00:11here is a woman that suffered for years
1:00:15that maliciously was prosecuted she was
1:00:19innocent it was all based upon a police
1:00:22officer that just totally lied and to
1:00:25see her free today and totally free and
1:00:29exonerated uh it it's an unbelievable
1:00:32feeling just unbelievable here's our
1:00:34ride okay and I have to take my little
1:00:37part apart so it's going to be a little
1:00:40tricky
1:00:48[Music]
1:01:00here from here I'm
1:01:04fine you shouldn't you should be younger
1:01:06to have that kind of I know that it
1:01:08should be a sports injury that's right
1:01:11thank you
1:01:36[Music]
1:01:42are you a friend
1:01:44of no
1:01:47I'm giving her a hug I did not yeah well
1:01:50we've you know we've been in contact
1:01:52yeah I've been covering this since year
1:01:542000 so there has been
1:01:57Craftman Paul always a
1:02:01pleasure ride
1:02:12for that's
1:02:24right for those of you just tuning in we
1:02:26are watching live images as DEA milky uh
1:02:29leaves the courthouse uh she just
1:02:32entered the car we're watching as the
1:02:34car Lees think knew that and uh as she
1:02:37mentioned while walking out uh she'll
1:02:40have more information tomorrow which uh
1:02:42indicates there will be a press
1:02:44conference of some sort tomorrow that we
1:02:46will carry live here on news
1:02:53now right now we're just still watching
1:02:55these images just in case Steve craft an
1:02:58interview I thought that was at the
1:03:01scene
1:03:03little seen a lot TR to see how chaotic
1:03:07it gets when someone comes out of cour
1:03:09and you have the reporters and the
1:03:11photographers which are the cameramen
1:03:14and um you know Regular People Too
1:03:17wanting to not only get on camera but
1:03:18stand behind her and hear what's going
1:03:20on because the whole I'll say profession
1:03:23of trial watching now by just people
1:03:25that are retired or don't have another
1:03:27job they just watch trials and so they
1:03:30want to be part of this to hear what's
1:03:33going on maybe blog about it so it can
1:03:35get very very chaotic in fact when the
1:03:38Aras this looked very familiar to all of
1:03:41that and I think it's a familiar ramp I
1:03:43guess that these viewers are used to
1:03:44seeing I think we've in the same it was
1:03:46in the same court tower as the Aras and
1:03:49after Aras it was almost like a mob with
1:03:52the family and the supporters of Travis
1:03:54Alexander and then all the rep ERS and
1:03:56cameras and not only that but trial
1:03:58Watchers and bloggers following trying
1:04:00to get statements and how many people
1:04:02were in that courtroom at the time the
1:04:04verdict was read probably just
1:04:06completely one two three four five there
1:04:09were five rows of eight chairs on uh
1:04:12Travis Alexander's side and then roughly
1:04:14the same thing on the other side and
1:04:15then they brought in extra chairs so
1:04:18let's say 80 90 probably
1:04:2195 in the where the public in the media
1:04:24sits and there was
1:04:27there were the 12 jurors that were
1:04:29deliberating and then the two alternates
1:04:31one dismiss jur and then the court staff
1:04:33and deputies so probably there was what
1:04:35roughly like 125 people in the courtroom
1:04:38wow M yeah it's it's good that it was in
1:04:41the South Court Tower which is our
1:04:42newest Court here uh which is very nice
1:04:45and very large uh Deborah milky was in
1:04:47that same court tower uh we saw her come
1:04:50out you know several things uh were
1:04:52brought out um by her comments and by
1:04:55her attorney's comments first of all she
1:04:57said that there would be she wouldn't
1:04:59say anything until tomorrow or she would
1:05:00have more to say tomorrow that indicates
1:05:02that there will be a press conference so
1:05:04we'll get details on that and Foxton
1:05:07Phoenix will have all that information
1:05:08for you and in fact might even carry
1:05:10that press conference live it here live
1:05:13it's uh we'll be here live and I think
1:05:15that they said 11:30 is that what they
1:05:17said I think that's what I heard but
1:05:19don't don't quote me on that but for all
1:05:21of you out there you might want to just
1:05:23maybe stick it in your calendar or look
1:05:25it up the news later tonight or even
1:05:27this afternoon we might have that
1:05:29information if you haven't been there
1:05:31we'll be tweeting about it as soon as we
1:05:32get it we'll let you know and you can
1:05:34also follow me on Twitter at Monica
1:05:36Lindstrom I know very creative Twitter
1:05:38name but hey it works right I think it's
1:05:41actually personally I think it's the
1:05:42best possible username when you can get
1:05:45your full name when you only get 140
1:05:47characters to say anything I wish I had
1:05:49a shorter
1:05:50name you're losing right H sick a lot
1:05:55nine 15 seriously that's 15 of my 140
1:05:59characters sometimes I have to put
1:06:00continued on my tweets so that you know
1:06:03that there's another one coming one
1:06:05thing I do want to ask you about we were
1:06:07talking about it a little bit off camera
1:06:10um Christopher the four-year-old's
1:06:12father what role did he play in all of
1:06:15this uh I guess when the trial first
1:06:17occurred when it was overturned I mean
1:06:20you said you've seen him in court yeah
1:06:22I've definitely seen him in court and
1:06:24one of my best friends is actually
1:06:25represented him in uh some different
1:06:27proceedings having to do with this uh he
1:06:30was never criminally charged as far as I
1:06:32know having anything to do with this and
1:06:34he has always been very um outspoken in
1:06:38his disdain for Deborah milky and what
1:06:41had happened to his son which you could
1:06:42absolutely understand he hasn't been on
1:06:44her side he has not maintained that she
1:06:47has been innocent this entire time um
1:06:50what was their relationship they were
1:06:52together for I believe a short period of
1:06:54time and actually that you know that
1:06:56resulted in Christopher milky being born
1:06:58um but they were at the time of
1:07:00Christopher's death when he was four
1:07:02they were no longer together so whatever
1:07:04the history was it wasn't a very long
1:07:06history and
1:07:08imagine how he has had to go through
1:07:11life knowing that his the mother of his
1:07:15child was convicted and put on death row
1:07:17for killing his son I mean I really
1:07:18can't imagine anything worse uh so I
1:07:22would not be surprised if we hear
1:07:23something from him but it will I I
1:07:26highly doubt it'll be in no way
1:07:29supporting Deborah milky which you know
1:07:32I can't say that I blame him you know I
1:07:33I can't say that I blame him at all so
1:07:36when was he brought up during the trial
1:07:37did he testify do we know I'm not sure
1:07:39if he testified or not but if you think
1:07:42about it he wasn't involved in the
1:07:45taking of Christopher he wasn't involved
1:07:47in him taking to the being taken to the
1:07:48desert and being shot and he wasn't
1:07:51involved during the um investigation now
1:07:53I it's my understanding that Deborah
1:07:55milky once uh she realized that
1:07:58Christopher was missing she stayed at
1:08:00her own apartment for a little while
1:08:02because we didn't have cell phones then
1:08:04right these things didn't exist then and
1:08:06she knew that Christopher knew her phone
1:08:08number so she was staying next to the
1:08:09phone in her apartment in case
1:08:11Christopher called her that was her
1:08:12story yes and then um eventually she
1:08:16left there and I believe that she went
1:08:18to Christopher's father's house in
1:08:19Florence with his family because she
1:08:21didn't have any family here her family
1:08:23was in Germany so she was staying there
1:08:26you know to get family support that kind
1:08:29of thing um but that's about all that I
1:08:32know about how he was involved but I do
1:08:35know he wasn't involved at all in the
1:08:37killing or the conspiracy because he was
1:08:38never charged with anything so we just
1:08:41saw Deborah milky come out of the
1:08:43courtroom with her attorneys and uh she
1:08:46she didn't say much she said that she
1:08:49would talk more tomorrow but it brought
1:08:51up a couple issues in my mind and I'm
1:08:53sure there's probably some question
1:08:55about
1:08:56that um well I mean Jane's asking will
1:09:00there be a book released or Lifetime
1:09:01movie fny Jane what a great question
1:09:03because actually at the top of my list I
1:09:05was writing things down as she was
1:09:07talking and coming out of the courthouse
1:09:08as to what uh we could talk about and
1:09:11book deals you know typically when a
1:09:13defendant is convicted of a crime in
1:09:15Arizona we have a statute here it's
1:09:17affectionately called the Son of Sam Law
1:09:19some of you might remember the Son of
1:09:22Sam case that happened I think it was
1:09:23back in the in the '70s or the late 60s
1:09:26I think um but essentially what it says
1:09:29is that a convicted defendant cannot
1:09:31profit from their crime so let's take
1:09:34Aras for example because she has been
1:09:36convicted she cannot make money from
1:09:39selling her story having a book deal or
1:09:41a movie deal anything like that she
1:09:43cannot make money because she would be
1:09:45profiting from her crime well milky
1:09:48she's been acquitted the Char the
1:09:50conviction has been thrown out so she is
1:09:53no longer be having
1:09:55she's no longer deemed convicted that
1:09:58means that she could sell her story she
1:10:00could write a book she could have a
1:10:02movie she could uh have a paid interview
1:10:05you name it she could do it and she
1:10:07could keep all the money from that in
1:10:08fact I would not be surprised if I had a
1:10:10minimum lifetime because they're the
1:10:12ones that did the jod Aras movie if they
1:10:14reached out to her um I would not be
1:10:16surprised if she wrote a book about this
1:10:18if she doesn't perhaps her lawyers
1:10:20interview right perhaps her lawyers
1:10:22would write a book about the journey in
1:10:24fact we heard one of her uh lawyers Mike
1:10:26Kimmer he was stating how this has been
1:10:27a very long journey with ups and downs
1:10:32so it would be interesting to hear his
1:10:34side of the story as well at least from
1:10:36the legal angle cuz I'm a geek and I
1:10:38like the legal angle right um but he
1:10:41could do that as long as he had her
1:10:42permission to do it so I anticipate we
1:10:45will see some kind of TV movie at a
1:10:47minimum and there will be some kind of
1:10:49book about it maybe not written by them
1:10:51maybe by somebody else but she'll be
1:10:53able to profit from it can absolutely
1:10:56profit from it and she might need to in
1:10:57order to pay for some of this stuff so
1:11:00interesting very very good
1:11:02[Music]
1:11:03question see whatever else people I just
1:11:06want to make sure that we're answering
1:11:07the questions here's an it's an
1:11:09unrelated question um well I guess it's
1:11:12about trials Jonathan blind wants to
1:11:13know curious about the double double
1:11:15jeopardy law regarding Amanda Knox I
1:11:17believe her um and her voice Raphael are
1:11:20Innocent but if Italian Court does
1:11:22uphold the conviction we um will she be
1:11:25extradited be extradited I pray not well
1:11:28here's the issue Amanda Knox is being uh
1:11:30tried and she's been convicted and
1:11:32appealed and released over in an Italian
1:11:36Court okay double jeopardy over there I
1:11:39don't even know if they have double
1:11:40jeopardy we have that here in the United
1:11:42States so Double Jeopardy doesn't even
1:11:44come into play our Double Jeopardy laws
1:11:46don't come into play uh Amanda Knox
1:11:48trial or case first happened back in
1:11:512007 and I remember that because that
1:11:53was when I first started doing This
1:11:55legal analysts work for um different
1:11:58networks and it was it was a fascinating
1:12:00case because we were dealing with a
1:12:02completely different justice system and
1:12:04law she was convicted and then their
1:12:07appeals court reversed her conviction
1:12:09and then they wanted to try her again
1:12:11the issue is is she going to be
1:12:12extradited will the United States
1:12:14extradite her and that's a very
1:12:16interesting issue you get into foreign
1:12:17policy with that
1:12:20because there's a lot of people in
1:12:22America that say Hey you know her trial
1:12:24wasn't run properly it doesn't follow
1:12:25the same laws that we have we should not
1:12:27extradite her she is still an American
1:12:29citizen she was found guilty but their
1:12:31appell at court reversed it so she
1:12:33shouldn't have to go back but America
1:12:35needs to look at it you know what are
1:12:37our relations with Italy do we want to
1:12:39possibly burn that bridge or cause a
1:12:42problem for Amanda Knox so it's it's a
1:12:45delicate issue that uh implicates
1:12:47federal policy and um I know that the
1:12:51Italian Court can retry her just like
1:12:53they could retry if we had the same
1:12:55situation we could retry her for example
1:12:58um for example um Deborah milky she
1:13:01could have been retried for the same
1:13:03thing without Double Jeopardy attaching
1:13:05if the Arizona Supreme Court had
1:13:07reversed the court of appeals when you
1:13:09get a conviction and it's reversed or
1:13:11sent back from an appell Court to have
1:13:14that retrial isn't considered Double
1:13:15Jeopardy that is allowed it's just a
1:13:18retrial so it's considered the first
1:13:21trial right right um if the person had
1:13:24been acquitted
1:13:25completely acquitted at the trial court
1:13:27and then was retried for that exact same
1:13:30crime Double Jeopardy attaches so that's
1:13:33kind of a long explanation but the
1:13:35Italian court system is different not
1:13:37completely but different enough from the
1:13:39US system that our Double Jeopardy would
1:13:41not be implicated there but good
1:13:43question very good question I see that
1:13:45you like watching
1:13:47trials a lot of these folks are try a
1:13:50lot of us a lot of them found us because
1:13:52of all our areas coverage over the last
1:13:54um month month and a half let's see
1:13:56another issue that I was thinking of
1:13:58besides the book deal in the movie and
1:14:00the Son of Sam Law um her press
1:14:02conference so we talked earlier about
1:14:05what what could she say at this point
1:14:07really she can say whatever she wants
1:14:10because because of Double Jeopardy and
1:14:12the court of appeals decision she
1:14:14absolutely cannot be retried for this
1:14:16crime um so she could actually come out
1:14:18and say yeah I did it I did it I did it
1:14:22you know and there's nothing that can be
1:14:24done realistically though she's not
1:14:25going to realistically nobody in their
1:14:27right mind would ever come out and say
1:14:29anything like that against wherever you
1:14:31live I mean she's probably already
1:14:33facing threats oh I'm sure I'm sure
1:14:35there's there's probably lots of
1:14:38obstacles she's going to have to get
1:14:39through for the rest of her
1:14:41life but she could come out and say how
1:14:45you know she's thrilled that she's
1:14:47released she doesn't have this hanging
1:14:48over her head anymore um she's free she
1:14:51never did it she's always profess
1:14:53professed her innocence
1:14:55things like that she could absolutely
1:14:57say that that won't hurt her civil case
1:14:58but one thing she needs to be mindful of
1:15:00is anything that she does say can turn
1:15:03around and be used again or not again
1:15:05but used against her in her civil case
1:15:08now it's a much lower standard than
1:15:10Beyond A Reasonable Doubt because it's a
1:15:12civil case however if she were to say
1:15:16yeah I did it uh the the um the
1:15:20attorneys for the county and for the
1:15:22police department could say look she did
1:15:24it there wasn't really prosecutorial
1:15:25misconduct see no har no harm no foul
1:15:28kind of argument I mean they probably
1:15:29won't because that's very simplistic but
1:15:32they could use it against her so I I
1:15:34would encourage to you to watch what
1:15:37she's going to say and what her
1:15:38attorneys are going to say I think it's
1:15:39going to be very insightful not only
1:15:42from her standpoint of the criminal
1:15:43trial but to see what's going to happen
1:15:45with the Civil Trial and you heard her
1:15:46attorney say that the civil lawsuit was
1:15:49filed because they were coming up on a
1:15:50statute of limitations problem a statute
1:15:53of limitations is a statute of law that
1:15:56says that you have to file certain cases
1:15:59within a certain period of time and um
1:16:03if you don't then you lose that right
1:16:05altogether so she had to file her
1:16:08lawsuit um let's see what is the statute
1:16:11of limitations like length in this case
1:16:14I I'm assuming I didn't look that up but
1:16:16I'm thinking that it's two years and the
1:16:17reason why I think that is because the
1:16:20federal court of appeals decision came
1:16:24out March 13th of
1:16:272013 and her lawsuit was filed March
1:16:3013th of
1:16:312015 and he said that there was a
1:16:33statute of limitations issue and it's
1:16:35never I don't I haven't heard of a
1:16:37statue of limitations where it's a half
1:16:38year so it should be it's usually one
1:16:41year 2 year three year four year 5 year
1:16:43all the way up to six years well I mean
1:16:45there's there's some that are more and
1:16:47for murder there's never a statute of
1:16:49limitations uh rape is seven and I only
1:16:51know that because of all the Cosby
1:16:53coverage and all the stuff that they
1:16:55about right it it gets a little sticky
1:16:57when you're dealing with um molestation
1:17:00cases and dealing with children there's
1:17:02Mur there's no statute of limitation the
1:17:04one that where there's none at all
1:17:06across the board universally is murder
1:17:09so uh that's what I what I think the
1:17:10statute limitations is that seems to
1:17:12make sense but we can always look it up
1:17:14if we need to so regarding her civil
1:17:16case people are wondering you know what
1:17:18it's about it's a 1983 claim think of
1:17:20your just civil rights claim
1:17:22prosecutorial misconduct uh ation of
1:17:25Liberty and there are let's see how many
1:17:28counts were there the the defendants are
1:17:31the City of Phoenix Maricopa County
1:17:34Armando Sate Jr uh who's a detective
1:17:37other detectives were Robert Mills Jim
1:17:40house Russell Davis Charles MSO Judy
1:17:44Townsen uh Harvey hamr uh Frank deoda
1:17:49Silverio aneros Michael John Walter
1:17:54birkby basically it sounds like um
1:17:57everybody that was involved in the case
1:17:58at least from the detective standpoint
1:18:00and then of course William Montgomery
1:18:01Bill Montgomery is named only in His
1:18:03official capacity because he's the
1:18:05County Attorney because again he was not
1:18:07involved in the case at all in fact he
1:18:09wasn't I do not believe he was even part
1:18:11of the office back then so when we're
1:18:14looking at the actual counts let's see I
1:18:18have it all printed
1:18:19here there are it's a 72-page complaint
1:18:23and there are eight counts basically all
1:18:26against deprivation of Liberty and then
1:18:29uh in her prayer for Relief so what is
1:18:31she asking for she's asking for a trial
1:18:33by jury she wants damages against all
1:18:36the defendants she doesn't put down a
1:18:39dollar amount uh she basically says that
1:18:42that will be determined through the
1:18:43discovery and at trial she does want
1:18:46punitive damages now punitive damages is
1:18:49basically punishment do you guys all
1:18:51remember the McDonald's case that is
1:18:55yes the hot coffee McDonald's case there
1:18:58was a huge jury award and a big chunk of
1:19:01that was punitive damages the jury
1:19:03wanted to punish McDonald's for what
1:19:05they were doing and so you'll often hear
1:19:07about punitive damages think of
1:19:09punishment so she wants damages also to
1:19:12punish and she this could be the type of
1:19:15case where she gets it because two court
1:19:16of appeals came out and said that it was
1:19:19egregious conduct by the police
1:19:21department and the county attorney's
1:19:23office I mean egregious punish how much
1:19:26could she get out of this oh gosh you
1:19:29know how much is your life 23 years of
1:19:33your life in jail death row not even
1:19:36jail death row where you're solitary
1:19:38you're by yourself you have very limited
1:19:41contact um how much is that
1:19:45worth it's it's it's an interesting
1:19:47situation though because I feel like as
1:19:51a member of the public you're much more
1:19:53forgiving and much more willing to
1:19:56accept some sort of civil lawsuit like
1:19:57this if it's proven through DNA that you
1:20:00didn't kill your child and then you're
1:20:03free and those are some of those like
1:20:05heartwarming stories we see periodically
1:20:07on the news very good point you know yes
1:20:09man was on death row for 20 years turns
1:20:11out he didn't do it then he's free we
1:20:13all watch we're all happy for the man
1:20:15this isn't that situation and that's why
1:20:17I feel like there's
1:20:19this I get what you're saying when
1:20:21you're saying you're looking at it from
1:20:23a legal point of view and than a mom
1:20:25point of view it's just a human point of
1:20:27view yeah from a human point of view
1:20:30people could absolutely still believe
1:20:32she's guilty and you know what she
1:20:35absolutely could be meaning she could
1:20:37have been involved absolutely I'm not
1:20:39going to say she's guilty because I
1:20:41can't use that word because she's been
1:20:42acquitted
1:20:44um she absolutely could have been
1:20:46involved this reversal this dismissal
1:20:49has nothing to do with whether she was
1:20:51involved or not it has to do with
1:20:54Detective s's testimony and the failure
1:20:57to disclose that so she could use it at
1:21:00trial so it is not a case where DN EV
1:21:03DNA evidence shows that she was not
1:21:04involved or a hidden video showing that
1:21:07she wasn't involved or anything like
1:21:09that simply about the detective's
1:21:12testimony and his Personnel record and
1:21:14the failure to disclose it so I people
1:21:17get very frustrated with this case and I
1:21:19can understand why because a little boy
1:21:20is dead at least there are two men
1:21:25that were convicted and were found
1:21:27responsible for it found guilty of it so
1:21:30we're uh going back a little bit about
1:21:33the Milky case
1:21:36um we were just talking about the two
1:21:40men Scott who was one of the second well
1:21:44the the two men not Styers who Deborah
1:21:47milky and Christopher lived with and
1:21:49he's the one that took him initially to
1:21:51go to the mall to see Santa Claus um
1:21:54Scott who was the other one that was
1:21:56involved you had mentioned before that
1:21:58he was offered a plea bargain for 21
1:22:00years but he didn't accept that for
1:22:02whatever reason whether it was his
1:22:03lawyer or not and then he was ended up
1:22:06uh he was convicted and sentenced to
1:22:08death he both Styers and Scott they were
1:22:11tried separately so they weren't tried
1:22:14together they could have been because
1:22:15the same facts same circumstances same
1:22:18crime but they were found or they were
1:22:19tried separately why did they choose to
1:22:21in a situation like this why do they
1:22:23typically choose to try separately
1:22:25versus together when they were involved
1:22:27in the OR accused of being involved in
1:22:28the same crime something very simple
1:22:31could be when they're trying Styers they
1:22:33could point the fingers at Scott and say
1:22:36Styers was involved but he didn't shoot
1:22:38or maybe he wasn't involved Scott in his
1:22:41own trial could point the finger well if
1:22:43you have them both in the same courtroom
1:22:44then the same jury is going okay well
1:22:47one of you did it so we're convicting
1:22:49you both I I mean just that could be a
1:22:51very simple thing there could be lots of
1:22:53other reasons why they decid to separate
1:22:55it but that could be the you know just
1:22:56the most simple
1:22:58explanation um Scott would not testify
1:23:01against milky at her trial that that's
1:23:03interesting um but he was also the one
1:23:05that had mental issues and had been
1:23:07deprived of his medication and food for
1:23:09a couple days during the interrogation
1:23:11process so this this case is extremely
1:23:14interesting there's a lot more out there
1:23:16that we haven't talked about so I would
1:23:18encourage anybody to go you know
1:23:21investigate it so to speak through
1:23:23Google and get some information because
1:23:25it's it's very
1:23:27[Music]
1:23:28interesting so when the decision came
1:23:30out by the federal court of appeals in
1:23:32March of
1:23:342013 back then in July the um the
1:23:38intention came out that they were going
1:23:40to continue to go for the
1:23:42[Music]
1:23:44retrial so in other words the county
1:23:46attorney's office didn't give up without
1:23:48a
1:23:48fight did the I mean I haven't read
1:23:51anything about the uh the men that were
1:23:53convicted in
1:23:55um put on death row if they appeal I
1:23:57mean they automatically get appeals
1:23:59right but
1:24:00obviously as far as we know they were
1:24:02not successful right in those appeals
1:24:04because they still are there right
1:24:07yep let's see
1:24:11um she talked about how she um was
1:24:15overwhelmed when she came out of the
1:24:16courthouse uh one of the things she said
1:24:18was she was overwhelmed I I'm wondering
1:24:21was she overwhelmed with happiness that
1:24:23it was finally over or she overwhelmed
1:24:25by the mob all around her probably
1:24:29probably both um and then her attorney
1:24:32had said this has been a very long
1:24:33journey with ups and downs and how he
1:24:35was clearly pleased with the result
1:24:39which as a defense attorney there's
1:24:43that's really has to be the Pinnacle
1:24:46of maybe not your legal career but the
1:24:49Pinnacle of anything you could of any
1:24:51case you could have not only the jury
1:24:54finding um your client not guilty but
1:24:57going through this incredibly long
1:25:00journey and then having two court of
1:25:02appeals say no State messed up um right
1:25:06that that that has to be really big for
1:25:08the defense attorneys so I see Steve
1:25:10craft out of the corner of my eye and I
1:25:12wonder what I wonder if he's here to
1:25:14tell us something new I don't know what
1:25:16you guys have been talking about
1:25:18everything we can about milky they they
1:25:20mentioned something about a press
1:25:22conference did you get the time or
1:25:23anything about that
1:25:25yeah do you want to let me switch out
1:25:27I'll justan okay real quick here let me
1:25:29switch out no no no no no don't go just
1:25:32going to get another I'm going to call
1:25:33an audible here and get another seat
1:25:35yeah cuz we've done that before there we
1:25:37go we've had three of us up here we just
1:25:38need a chair us Steve knows where that
1:25:41chair
1:25:47is well do you know what I think it's
1:25:50good proba I've probably answered as
1:25:52many of the questions that I could right
1:25:54now
1:25:55um yeah I don't see any new questions uh
1:25:57coming up right now so I'm going to tag
1:26:00in Steve so that he can tell us about
1:26:02what happened at the court um you can
1:26:04continue to follow me on Twitter Monica
1:26:07Lindstrom I'm also um on KTR a lot which
1:26:10is our local radio station so uh you can
1:26:13always find me and now I'm tagging you
1:26:16in right thanks so much for all he and
1:26:20legal author pro wrestlers right exactly
1:26:24by just to answer how much is your life
1:26:26worth someone decided to calculate 40
1:26:28hours a week at $10 an hour for 23 years
1:26:31is just under a half a million oh good
1:26:33lord that's not much but if it's 247 at
1:26:37$10 an hour for 23 years it's over $2
1:26:39million don't forget no contact or very
1:26:42limited contact so he was using $10
1:26:44because it's near minimum wage get about
1:26:47or four million I don't know hi Steve
1:26:49craft hey what's up we watched you uh oh
1:26:52we watched you live as you uh oh yeah it
1:26:55was a big tried to track down or you
1:26:58were tracking down Miss uh Miss debah
1:27:01milky Deborah milky
1:27:03right Monica is this your iPad yeah
1:27:07that's
1:27:08cool all right well I don't think I can
1:27:11top in any way what Monica has done so
1:27:13I'm going to
1:27:14leave well you have a different
1:27:16perspective you were there today I was
1:27:19there you weren't there today I wish the
1:27:20areas's trial had been had been
1:27:22conducted as expeditiously as today that
1:27:24was literally
1:27:26like what 10 seconds in cour it was one
1:27:28of those rare times in court where if
1:27:30you're late it really matters right and
1:27:33they started mostly we'd rush over to
1:27:35the areas's case and it would start like
1:27:3645 minutes late today really had to
1:27:40busted to get there by 8:30 and it was
1:27:42started at 8:30 it was done at
1:27:448:32 yeah it was it was crazy like I saw
1:27:48a glimpse of it in one of these monitors
1:27:50I was like oh I should probably take
1:27:51that and that was it 10 seconds later
1:27:54that was it and then it went to Black
1:27:56and I was like all right well that's
1:27:57what we were waiting for this morning it
1:27:59was a formality it was a crossing of
1:28:01teas and a dotting of eyes and I I asked
1:28:03Monica about this uh no was not there
1:28:07trust me I was looking wasn't uh we talk
1:28:12about oh okay what's that uh I think you
1:28:14were talking about whether um Mr Arizona
1:28:16milky was present the former husband of
1:28:19Deborah milky at this hearing today um
1:28:22he's been a very outspoken opponent of
1:28:23Deborah mil at at every um path every
1:28:27step along the way I should say he has
1:28:30uh advocated uh to keep her in prison he
1:28:32firmly believes she is uh
1:28:34guilty uh we did not see him today
1:28:37however in this court brief court
1:28:40hearing nor did I see him anywhere
1:28:42outside the hearing so he may talk at
1:28:45some point to us uh however we did not
1:28:47see him today and that's the father
1:28:51that's Christopher's father right he's
1:28:52been very outspoken in this case the
1:28:55photo of Christopher yeah so cute yes he
1:28:58was a very cute little
1:29:00boy
1:29:02so what was the vibe like in that
1:29:05courtroom today uh it was hard to even
1:29:09capture a Vibe because it was over
1:29:10before it started
1:29:12practically um the judge just said you
1:29:14know are prosecutors and defense
1:29:16attorneys here yes yes is uh Deborah
1:29:19milky here yes uh there is a motion to
1:29:22dismiss the case with prejudice that
1:29:24means with prejudice means you cannot
1:29:26bring it back it's gone for good is
1:29:29there any uh thing that the prosecutor
1:29:31wants to say and prosecutor bince
1:29:33imbordino who is not the original
1:29:34prosecutor at all in this case said no
1:29:36we have nothing to say on this defense
1:29:38do you have anything to say no we do not
1:29:40okay it is so ordered case dismissed
1:29:42with prejudice that was it then then
1:29:45let's move on to the rest of the
1:29:46calendar so at that point we
1:29:48left uh Deborah milky went into a side
1:29:51room with her attorneys she then went
1:29:53down to get her ankle bracelet monitor
1:29:56removed which she's been wearing for a
1:29:57year and a half plus now so that was the
1:29:59official free of Deborah mil that's
1:30:02correct that's correct and she walked
1:30:04out of
1:30:05the uh Courthouse essentially a private
1:30:07citizen like anybody else so for the
1:30:09last year and a half she was free she
1:30:12was free but not exactly because she was
1:30:14being monitored she had to uh she had
1:30:17court condition still go to the grocery
1:30:18store and do normal she could things
1:30:21nobody knows where she was or what she
1:30:23was doing or who she was staying with
1:30:25right there were no whereabouts no one
1:30:27was no I heard various rumors I didn't
1:30:29know for a fact where she was somewhere
1:30:31in the valley she had to stay in touch
1:30:33with the court she had to keep in touch
1:30:35with personnel as to her
1:30:39whereabouts what she
1:30:40did her attorneys are very very
1:30:43circumspect about what was going
1:30:45on uh they had very little to say even
1:30:48today they had very little to
1:30:50say um tomorrow though at 11:30
1:30:54and a facility next to one of the
1:30:56attorney's offices there will be a long
1:30:58news conference and she will talk at
1:31:00that point do we know it's going to be
1:31:02you you say do we know it's going to be
1:31:06lengthy we don't know uh but I haven't
1:31:10been to a couple of these before in
1:31:12other cases where people were taken off
1:31:14death row and later
1:31:16freed there will be a lot of questions
1:31:18and and depends on her how much she
1:31:19wants to talk about it what do you think
1:31:22is going to be the most I don't want to
1:31:23say a commonly asked question because
1:31:25once a question's asked no one's going
1:31:26to repeat it but what do you
1:31:29think uh are the questions that every
1:31:32reporter is going to have on their mind
1:31:34a lot of people may Harbor the feeling
1:31:36that you're a murderer what do you say
1:31:38to them that's one question the other
1:31:41question is what did you do to avoid
1:31:43losing your sanity for 22 plus years
1:31:46right another question is uh what are
1:31:48you going to do now another question
1:31:50would be do you Harbor any bitterness
1:31:51towards the prosecutor do you Harbor any
1:31:53bit bitterness towards U the real
1:31:56villain in this case who was former
1:31:58Phoenix police detective Armando
1:32:01Sate are you bitter about that the guy
1:32:03who put you
1:32:05away and the case of course has
1:32:08crumbled uh are you going to leave the
1:32:10country is another question I would ask
1:32:11she was from Germany yeah she doesn't
1:32:13speak German she was born in German she
1:32:16has a German mother who passed away and
1:32:18an American
1:32:19father um so she could technically I
1:32:22think go back to she could go to Germany
1:32:25I don't know if she would or wouldn't
1:32:26right there was an interesting sidelight
1:32:29in that there was a German television
1:32:32network this is a big story in Germany
1:32:34and in Europe generally they're more
1:32:36interested in this than the American
1:32:38Media they have covered it more than we
1:32:41have generally in terms of following
1:32:44this for years and years it's been a
1:32:46scandalous story in Germany because
1:32:48she's of German descent because she's of
1:32:50German citizen or partially anyway so
1:32:54she's born in Germany yeah so they
1:32:55basically are saying you know it holds
1:32:57up a sort of a magnifying glass to the
1:33:00German media as to a glimpse into the
1:33:03American legal system how was it this
1:33:05woman was put away the fact they don't
1:33:07have a death penalty we we do have a
1:33:09death penalty so the fact that there's a
1:33:11woman on death row and essentially
1:33:13solitary confinement in a box for years
1:33:15and years is fascinating to these
1:33:17foreign reporters uh Rachel's asking so
1:33:20milky has a clean record now in theory
1:33:22she can leave the US own gun yes Etc she
1:33:25has her record Rachel is no more
1:33:27different than yours
1:33:29presumably Joe Foley 23 years in jail is
1:33:32she going to be compensated well that's
1:33:34where the civil suit into play right and
1:33:36we had a guy named Ray cron who was
1:33:39falsely convicted same prosecutor
1:33:41interestingly Noah Levy who screwed of
1:33:43that case screwed of this one um he's
1:33:47not retired but anyway um Ray cron I
1:33:50think he got between three and4 million
1:33:53mhm it turned out there was DNA evidence
1:33:56that um proved he was innocent proved he
1:33:58was innocent that's something that um I
1:34:01just brought up with Monica about 10
1:34:02minutes ago this idea that okay if
1:34:05you're on death row for dozens of years
1:34:09and then you're freed because DNA proves
1:34:11otherwise as The Spectators of the whole
1:34:13case you're on the side of this now
1:34:16innocent individual in this scenario
1:34:19there's never been DNA evidence to prove
1:34:21right that milky is innocent so I think
1:34:24a lot of people probably still feel conf
1:34:26conflicted still believe that she was
1:34:28involved in her what frustrating for
1:34:29everybody because we don't know nobody
1:34:31will ever know well then in last week uh
1:34:33during Bill Montgomery's press
1:34:35conference when he talked about the
1:34:37Milky situation you could hear in his
1:34:40voice I mean if you really just listen
1:34:43he believed that milky was guilty he
1:34:45believes everybody's guilty that's
1:34:48that's his he was disappointed that they
1:34:49couldn't get uh the appeal overturn or
1:34:53what
1:34:54now part of the prosecutor's job though
1:34:56is to if there are flaws in a
1:34:58case to acknowledge that there flaws in
1:35:01a case and do do the honorable thing
1:35:02which is
1:35:04to you know get out of a case or dismiss
1:35:06a their presentation and their
1:35:09prosecution of a case if they don't have
1:35:11a good prosecution he's his job is to be
1:35:14uh an advocate for the state and if
1:35:17there's
1:35:18exculpatory evidence which means
1:35:20something that suggests someone didn't
1:35:21do it or if there are obvious flaws with
1:35:25his office's prosecution of it even
1:35:27though it was a prior Administration and
1:35:29not him personally his job is to man up
1:35:32and say this case is uh messed up and we
1:35:35can't go forward with it and so we're
1:35:36not going to do it and he did not do
1:35:38that in this case at every single step
1:35:40along this long Saga he tried to
1:35:43maintain the
1:35:44prosecution and um until the point where
1:35:47there was really no way he could
1:35:48prosecute it and then and only then did
1:35:50he uh did he acques and this did this
1:35:54dismissal come come about so there are
1:35:57questions that that he will still be
1:36:00asked about his uh office's performance
1:36:04in this case and to be fair to him a lot
1:36:06of this goes back decades before he took
1:36:09office but the egregious thing about
1:36:12this is that the prosecutors knew there
1:36:15was a bad
1:36:16cop and they covered it up and they
1:36:18didn't share that with the defense
1:36:20that's a real no no
1:36:24and you know the fact that Christopher
1:36:27milky is a cute little
1:36:30boy should not obscure whether there was
1:36:34a miscarriage of Justice here every
1:36:36little kid breaks your heart when
1:36:38something happens to that kid right and
1:36:39there are two men who are on death row
1:36:41in this case don't forget that right so
1:36:44justice has been done for for the
1:36:46obviously guilty people here um so if if
1:36:51there was a flawed flawed prosecution of
1:36:53the third alleged part of this Deborah
1:36:57milky and it's Prosecutor's job to say
1:37:00you know we screwed up do you find it
1:37:02peul and that was not done here at any
1:37:04point but what's your take on the fact
1:37:07uh depr or um Monica and I talked about
1:37:11it briefly but the fact that Deborah had
1:37:14um gotten a life insurance policy on her
1:37:18four-year-old child how many is that
1:37:20common for parents to do I don't know
1:37:22the answer to that question
1:37:28I
1:37:29don't yeah I just feel I mean uh but you
1:37:32don't convict someone on the basis of
1:37:34kind of a uh H things that make you go
1:37:37you convict people on the basis of
1:37:39evidence and um if if this if she's
1:37:44guilty and I I will never know right I
1:37:46mean I'm I'm I don't
1:37:48know she'll be asked that tomorrow trust
1:37:51me um but
1:37:54why a a pro a def I should say um
1:37:59Phoenix police detective did not roll a
1:38:02tape recorder in 1989 they had tape
1:38:04recorders I was around in 1989 I had a
1:38:07tape recorder it's a little real it's
1:38:09like a little cassette thing were you
1:38:10covering this uh not really okay not
1:38:12really but I mean it's not hard to tape
1:38:15record something I mean people do it all
1:38:17the time right so here's a guy who
1:38:19didn't take if you're a if you're going
1:38:21to meet someone that you believe if
1:38:23you're going to get a confession that's
1:38:24going to put someone on death throw and
1:38:26get them executed why on Earth would you
1:38:29not make a record of it that could be
1:38:31played in court as evidence you know
1:38:33this is routinely done and this notion
1:38:36that oh we didn't have the technology
1:38:37come on
1:38:39man people were recording all kinds of
1:38:42things back in 1989 right in fact they
1:38:44were you know the Watergate tapes in
1:38:471970s how did that happen well someone
1:38:49tape recorded things so right there's
1:38:51plenty of tapes there were records it
1:38:53wasn't all
1:38:54gramophones there were TV sets there was
1:38:56color TV oh wow color TVs there
1:38:59computers there were computers the 1989
1:39:02you know the guy could have used a Radio
1:39:04Shack little cassette recorder and tape
1:39:10recorded and then flipped it over and
1:39:11played the second part and taped that
1:39:14but he didn't do that he didn't have any
1:39:16Witnesses right he wrote notes that he
1:39:18then
1:39:19destroyed right and then and the thing
1:39:21about him is that there's a a record of
1:39:24him doing this in other cases right I
1:39:26read some of the other cases well and
1:39:29and it doesn't and it's not just uh
1:39:32misconduct after the Milky case it was
1:39:34before this yeah and one of the things
1:39:37we just sort of talked about I want your
1:39:38take on this this day and age if that
1:39:43happened I feel like the detective would
1:39:46be out of a job or at least placed on
1:39:48some sort of I don't know leave cuz I
1:39:51feel like if we hear about any sort of
1:39:54police misconduct detective misconduct
1:39:55we as the media are already putting them
1:39:57on blast I don't I guess I just don't
1:39:59know if we would have we don't know what
1:40:02we don't know we don't know what we
1:40:03don't know the great majority of police
1:40:05officers do are honorable people do a
1:40:07great job right here and there there are
1:40:09bad apples this guy's obviously a bad
1:40:11apple they're always going to be bad
1:40:13apples maybe they can be spotted more
1:40:15readily now maybe it's a little more
1:40:17transparent now but of course documents
1:40:20records emails things can always be
1:40:22destroyed there's always going to be
1:40:24some way to try to cover your tracks and
1:40:25people are always going to try to do
1:40:26some of that and only thing we can do is
1:40:29to try to make it more difficult to hide
1:40:30things and and I I do think that things
1:40:32are steadily improving right but they'll
1:40:35never be perfect in his case this was
1:40:37egregious
1:40:38misconduct and he didn't even have the
1:40:41grace
1:40:42to ever talk to anybody about it in fact
1:40:45he tried to take the Fifth Amendment so
1:40:48that he wouldn't be charged with perjury
1:40:50when he was asked to testify again about
1:40:53the Milky confession and the prosecutors
1:40:56tried leaned on him very hard worked
1:40:58very hard to try to force him to talk in
1:41:00court he pull up his and eventually the
1:41:01court of appeals said uh that because
1:41:05of prosecutorial and police misconduct
1:41:08that went back to the late 1980s and
1:41:10early 1990s it was just too too great to
1:41:14go forward with a reprosecution of of
1:41:16Milky to or to reopen this case right
1:41:19and so he did not ever have to testify
1:41:22and he has to live with whatever as he
1:41:24did this video that I have pulled up
1:41:26actually is and by the way his police
1:41:28Personnel record was also destroyed
1:41:30that's so yeah and there were questions
1:41:32surrounding his performance after he
1:41:34left the police force as a I believe a
1:41:35constable wow so you know this video I
1:41:38have pulled up actually is a story that
1:41:40you've done it says Steve craft milky
1:41:42Arizona Supreme Court ruling so I'm
1:41:44going to play this for the next minute
1:41:45and a half ahead and then we can chat
1:41:47about it just to give people some
1:41:49background
1:41:53the Arizona Supreme Court ruled Deborah
1:41:55milky cannot be tried again because of
1:41:57misconduct by the prosecutor back in the
1:41:591980s for not letting milky's lawyers
1:42:02know about a history of lying under oath
1:42:05by their star witness former Phoenix
1:42:07police detective Armando Sate Sate is
1:42:10the one who claimed milky confessed to
1:42:13killing her son Christopher milky only
1:42:15he didn't tape record her had no
1:42:17Witnesses and threw away all his notes
1:42:20so milky did over two decades on death
1:42:22row also putting milky on trial again
1:42:25the court said would be double jeopardy
1:42:27legal ease for you can't be tried twice
1:42:29for the same offense this decades long
1:42:32legal Saga sickens private investigator
1:42:35Paul hubel who argued for years Deborah
1:42:38milky's conviction was a miscarriage of
1:42:40Justice this has been for her a 26e
1:42:44nightmare that has really taken the very
1:42:47best part of her life and put her right
1:42:50in the trash can in his statement today
1:42:53milky's attorney said Deborah is
1:42:55relieved that justice has finally been
1:42:57done in her case and that she has been
1:42:59Vindicated but County attorney Bill
1:43:01Montgomery countered the denial of our
1:43:04petition for review is a dark day for
1:43:06Arizona's Criminal Justice System the
1:43:08Arizona Supreme Court has deprived Crime
1:43:11Victims particularly Christopher milky
1:43:14of their rights to fairness due process
1:43:16and justice
1:43:23um the county attorney's point was that
1:43:26he believed that the federal the n9th
1:43:28circuit federal court that threw out
1:43:29this conviction did it on the basis of
1:43:32an incomplete record and if they'd had
1:43:34the records that the prosecutors had
1:43:37they they might not have taken that um
1:43:40Step but you know it's a long ruling by
1:43:43the ninth circuit and it's some of the
1:43:46strongest language condemning and
1:43:47prosecutorial team I've ever read wow so
1:43:51I don't think that he would have found
1:43:52much common ground with the ninth
1:43:54circuit court regarding the conduct of
1:43:57law enforcement in the Milky case I mean
1:44:00they they basically thought it was very
1:44:03egregious so but the nagging question
1:44:06for me is always going to be did she do
1:44:07it or didn't she do
1:44:09it and the fascinating thing is that the
1:44:12two guys who are on death row
1:44:15prosecutors many times reached out to
1:44:17them to testify against de milky right
1:44:20and they offered one of the Scott a flea
1:44:22deal right well he's he's never whatever
1:44:25reason that's another mystery right
1:44:28they' they've never said anything like
1:44:30that they've never taken that deal so
1:44:32they're on death row so I can't
1:44:35speculate as to why that is who knows
1:44:38right I don't know but um it's one of
1:44:41those factors in this case so now we're
1:44:44at the point where she's
1:44:45out and what she can do with the rest of
1:44:48her life and what will happen with this
1:44:50lawsuit and will it generate a
1:44:53payout I don't know I mean the ray Crone
1:44:57case was clearcut it was a screw-up mhm
1:45:00and it was a bad prosecutor same guy no
1:45:04Ley who uh misinterpreted bite marks on
1:45:07the victim and matching them to this man
1:45:11ray cron MH because he had like a
1:45:13snaggletooth sort of impression for his
1:45:15teeth well turned out the guy who did it
1:45:17also had that same kind of tooth
1:45:19structure but they kind of jazzed up the
1:45:21science make it look like Crone was
1:45:22guilty
1:45:23he' worked as a letter carrier you know
1:45:26just and had no prior record and how
1:45:28long was he on death row before 18 years
1:45:31I believe and they he got a pay out of
1:45:33because it was obviously innocent of I
1:45:36think3 to four million and he also got a
1:45:38formal apology I was there for that by
1:45:40the Arizona State Legislature they had a
1:45:42session they apologized to him they
1:45:44stood up and gave him my you know and I
1:45:48think he moved out of state got some
1:45:50dental work and carried on with his life
1:45:52and his middle age the Milky case is
1:45:55murkier because we lack clear-cut
1:45:58exoneration evidence so what she's going
1:46:00to be basically suing the state
1:46:04prosecutors police for is misconduct
1:46:08covering up uh evidence of a bad prose a
1:46:11bad U detective and uh not sharing that
1:46:16and causing this damage to her life
1:46:19and I'll be interested to see whether
1:46:22they just cut a deal with her so she
1:46:24goes away whether this is something that
1:46:26winds up in court what will happen how
1:46:28much she's going to ask for and or get
1:46:32that's hard to say do you think Deborah
1:46:34milky would I mean after all of said and
1:46:36done civil suit done with everything do
1:46:39you think she would stay in Arizona no
1:46:42idea what have you seen over the years
1:46:44in situations like this uh all kinds of
1:46:47things some people stick around some
1:46:48people get out of
1:46:50Dodge in her case I noticed a different
1:46:53demeanor today it seemed like when she
1:46:56got out of prison mhm what glimpses we
1:47:00could get of her in court she seemed
1:47:02very subdued she seemed
1:47:05very kind of like a dog that had been
1:47:09beaten kind of kind of very just kind of
1:47:13head down dazed and what had she looked
1:47:16like previous she was thin
1:47:19before um just kind of almost childlike
1:47:23in her demeanor just kind of sitting
1:47:24there like
1:47:26yeah maybe that's what being in those
1:47:29conditions for that period of time does
1:47:31I don't know but today she's put on a
1:47:35lot of
1:47:36weight I mean she
1:47:37was just different she must she seems
1:47:40like she's gained 20 to 25 pounds she's
1:47:43more well upholstered than she was and
1:47:46she also seemed feistier than i' than
1:47:49I'd noticed before she seemed more
1:47:50assertive than I'd noticed before she
1:47:52she seemed more integrated into her
1:47:55surroundings than I had seen
1:47:57before um she was very firm and saying
1:48:01that she wasn't going to make any
1:48:02comments besides a couple little things
1:48:04that you
1:48:05heard so um her behavior seemed a little
1:48:10more assertive than I
1:48:12noticed so she's reintegrated back into
1:48:16society Modern Life yeah whereas before
1:48:18she was not right your first
1:48:21observations of her were more
1:48:24right after being in right after right
1:48:26after getting out of incarceration yes
1:48:29for 23 years solitary confinement right
1:48:32death row right
1:48:35Perryville that's so we'll never know
1:48:37we'll never know what happened and
1:48:39that's frustrating for
1:48:41everybody maybe she'll talk about it
1:48:44tomorrow maybe she
1:48:46won't I think she will you think she'll
1:48:49talk about I think she'll talk about a
1:48:50fair number of things of course we do
1:48:52have this lawsuit so in a way she has a
1:48:56for for her um side of things she's got
1:48:59an incentive to talk because I think she
1:49:01wants to make it clear that that she's
1:49:03seriously
1:49:05after um
1:49:07damages and making her case publicly I
1:49:11that might that might encourage a
1:49:14settlement it might be the kind of thing
1:49:16where the prosecutors don't want to
1:49:17reopen the Old Wounds that this case has
1:49:21caused I have a question back uh 1989
1:49:241990 we as the media did we see Deborah
1:49:27milky publicly mourn her
1:49:31son
1:49:33um we did but she also said subsequently
1:49:36that she was sedated right so it was
1:49:39hard to tell what she was feeling or not
1:49:40feeling I guess I asked that because she
1:49:42seemed very distant in her in whatever
1:49:45we could see of her in court mhm well in
1:49:47a few days we're going to start covering
1:49:49um uh
1:49:51another Tri I don't want to say it's
1:49:54similar but it's a mother accused in the
1:49:57murder of her daughter yet there's no
1:49:59well there's no body found in this case
1:50:01yeah the jury Hunter case yeah right and
1:50:03uh that starts on Wednesday actually and
1:50:06we are allowed to stream it on news now
1:50:09there'll be a 30 minute delay but I feel
1:50:11like that's going to be another sort of
1:50:12case we'll be watching and it's another
1:50:15situation where it's a parent accused in
1:50:18the death of a child
1:50:21right I don't
1:50:23but one of the reason I asked about uh
1:50:25milky publicly morning is because one of
1:50:27the I guess arguments or one of the
1:50:31things that upsets people About Dre
1:50:33Hunter is that she was publicly out
1:50:34there talking to the media looking for
1:50:36her child going on this you know what I
1:50:39mean the search publicly and then she
1:50:41gets arrested and accused of murder
1:50:44right well she had a record of child
1:50:46abuse so okay that's the difference not
1:50:48her first time yeah and um deorah milky
1:50:51didn't have a record like like
1:50:53that but she does seem curiously distant
1:50:56in those old old interviews but but what
1:50:58she said is that she was CU she was so
1:51:01traumatized she was on medication I
1:51:05[Music]
1:51:06see all right so what are some of these
1:51:08folks saying out here come on everybody
1:51:10let's weigh in public emotion or lack
1:51:12thereof has no relevance crippled shark
1:51:15says M um let's see prison food is
1:51:19fattening she's been out she's been out
1:51:21for a couple uh year and a half right
1:51:25let's
1:51:26see [ __ ] CH Montgomery wants a
1:51:28perfect record so he can parlay his
1:51:30position to a higher elected office
1:51:31clean house at the county okay
1:51:34interesting
1:51:35opinions uh someone likes your
1:51:38tie Steve cool um very nice look for
1:51:42Easter Steve the pink and that's what
1:51:46Kelly is saying thanks
1:51:47Kelly do you guys have I don't know if
1:51:50they have any more opinions on this
1:51:51story
1:51:53someone likes your blue outfit thanks uh
1:51:56I think it was tamamo um Jane Willcox it
1:51:58undermines the fundamentals of our trial
1:52:00procedure when evidence is withheld yeah
1:52:02it does that's a real big no no there's
1:52:05a duty a real Duty that prosecutors have
1:52:07and you it's called and has different
1:52:10terms of the discovery process if you
1:52:12find out something you're supposed to
1:52:14share it with the other side right so I
1:52:16mean you've been covering I'm guess
1:52:18trials for the last 30 years that safe
1:52:21to say um
1:52:23has there been another case where
1:52:26evidence has been withheld in such a way
1:52:28where it's made such a dramatic impact
1:52:30or anything close to this no this looks
1:52:31like a pretty this this one stands out
1:52:34because this was really
1:52:36egregious it's very hard to get off
1:52:38death row and have charges basically go
1:52:42away is this true Zena saying Darren
1:52:45Sharper pleads guilty gets nine years in
1:52:46prison I don't know maybe I don't know I
1:52:49haven't really been able to check the
1:52:50feed cuz I've been Zena just posted it
1:52:51but I feel like
1:52:53sharper was supposed to make an
1:52:54appearance today in Vegas I have no idea
1:52:56let me now here's Savannah Savannah says
1:53:00as a new mother at the time I watched
1:53:02milky and her actions and I maintain the
1:53:03belief she was involved just my opinion
1:53:06mind you well um that's something that
1:53:09people are going to something we need to
1:53:11ask her about we do know this by the way
1:53:13former NFL All Pro Darren Sharper pleads
1:53:15guilty the sexual assault and attempted
1:53:17sexual assault sentenced to 9 years in
1:53:19prison does that uh now I'm just
1:53:22wondering does that sentence now apply
1:53:24to all of the accusations cuz he had
1:53:26accusations in New Orleans in Phoenix in
1:53:29Los Angeles and then there were new ones
1:53:30in Las Vegas I don't know if they're
1:53:31Consolidated here so that's just that's
1:53:33what I'm trying to figure out I guess
1:53:35cuz I know I think he was
1:53:37appearing this was it says sharper gets
1:53:399 years in Arizona plea deal again I'm
1:53:42just reading
1:53:43tweets interesting I feel like he was
1:53:46appearing in
1:53:47court right here x NFL player Darren
1:53:50Sharper pleads guilty to sex assault in
1:53:52Arizona sentence to 9 years that's our
1:53:55story
1:53:58technically but um thanks for thanks
1:54:01Zena for posting that I feel like we've
1:54:03been caught up in this Milky story
1:54:05haven't I want to talk about what Kelly
1:54:07just wrote here too many criminals are
1:54:09walking free makes me sick the entire
1:54:11Judicial System continues to go Ren I
1:54:14think that's a
1:54:15misconception almost everybody who's
1:54:17accused of a criminal offense is
1:54:19convicted or um and's the vast majority
1:54:23enter into plea
1:54:24deals and are punished this is a very um
1:54:28this state people are convicted and
1:54:31they're put away and they're put away
1:54:32for long periods of time it's the cases
1:54:35that are the ones that really stick out
1:54:37like a sore THB that we wind up
1:54:39reporting
1:54:40about that you hear about but it it
1:54:42shouldn't make you think that somehow a
1:54:45lot of people are beating the rap
1:54:47because they're not right I can count on
1:54:49one hand the number of people that have
1:54:51gone through
1:54:53okay so now I was just understanding
1:54:55this Darren Sharper one this is
1:54:56specifically just for the Arizona sexual
1:54:59assault he uh changed his plea in
1:55:03Phoenix via video conference from LA
1:55:05today okay and so he pleed guilty to
1:55:09drugging and sexually assaulting women
1:55:10here in Phoenix but now he's also
1:55:13scheduled to enter new plea in person in
1:55:15Los
1:55:17Angeles the Arizona and California cases
1:55:19combined with others in Nevada and
1:55:21Louisiana are likely to lead to a long
1:55:23prison Cent so the 9 years is just for
1:55:25what happened
1:55:26here yeah that was pretty bad what he oh
1:55:30absolutely and I think I mean I've
1:55:32talked about it here on news now with
1:55:34different you know people just right
1:55:37this idea that you are a public figure
1:55:40you are a
1:55:41celebrity I'm not saying anyone has the
1:55:43right to drug someone and rape them but
1:55:46you you're looking for sex there are
1:55:47many girls out there that will offer
1:55:51themselves to to you willingly
1:55:53consensually and I think it's
1:55:55so it's like Cosby upsetting I guess
1:55:58it's so upsetting because it's like
1:56:00that's what Bill Cosby's accused of yeah
1:56:01except this guy is the one that's going
1:56:03to jail for like dozens of years maybe
1:56:06if he's getting nine right here in
1:56:07Arizona he still has California Nevada
1:56:10and I believe Louisiana is one of the
1:56:12places where I don't want to I don't
1:56:13want to get this wrong but I feel like
1:56:14you can get life in prison it's a very
1:56:16punitive state right in Louisiana for uh
1:56:19these kinds of
1:56:21charges all all right now Kelly
1:56:22continues first Aras gets away with
1:56:24murder and gets her hands gets her hand
1:56:26SLP come on Kelly yeah I don't want to
1:56:28say she's still she's going to have life
1:56:30in prison it's not like it'd be
1:56:32different if Kelly dport was maybe
1:56:34arguing I know a lot of people have
1:56:35argued about the Casey Anthony
1:56:38situation you know Casey Anthony is free
1:56:42she is whether she killed her child or
1:56:45not yeah I don't know but that I think
1:56:48is
1:56:49one that seems to make a little more
1:56:52sense in terms of getting heated up over
1:56:55getting away with murder I guess if you
1:56:57believe tomaro says I just wish prison
1:56:59was more of a deterrent to Crime than it
1:57:01seems to be now that people still that's
1:57:03a good point I wonder if people have
1:57:05ever seen a prison up close it's awful I
1:57:09mean it's awful there's nothing fun
1:57:11about prisons no our prisons are tough
1:57:14they're really tough very unpleasant
1:57:17places what Monica was saying though is
1:57:19that some of the people
1:57:22she's worked with would rather be in
1:57:24prison than Sheriff Joe's
1:57:27jail she was kind of making the example
1:57:295 months in prison is better than three
1:57:31months in Sheriff Joe's jail and also if
1:57:33you're in a federal prison that's
1:57:35probably an easier time in terms of the
1:57:37environment yeah what are the key
1:57:41differences having been in a federal
1:57:43prison uh two stories I've visited them
1:57:46and I've also visited the state prisons
1:57:48they just seem like they tend to be
1:57:49newer they tend to be
1:57:52just you know a little bit better
1:57:54conditions better conditions right I
1:57:56mean if you go down to Florence and
1:57:59you're in any of those old soul blocks
1:58:00you're doing real hard time really hard
1:58:02time oh now the Aras debate is getting
1:58:05underway Joe FY Aras got away with
1:58:07murder question mark question mark
1:58:08question mark question mark question
1:58:10mark uh Zena is saying jod did not get
1:58:14her hand slapped she will serve her
1:58:16time
1:58:18uh wow that's interesting Bill Bill
1:58:21Cosby believe is innocent and these
1:58:23those of them just wanted his money
1:58:25Jonathan I don't some people say that I
1:58:26don't know I just feel like there's too
1:58:28many people coming out now and a lot of
1:58:30the women that are coming out they can't
1:58:32even file charges against them because
1:58:33the statute of limitations is over
1:58:35they're just coming out because they
1:58:37want people to know what they believe is
1:58:39the truth yeah that's another thing
1:58:40we'll never know we'll never know
1:58:42exactly what happened there either right
1:58:43and again I'm just coming from
1:58:45this living in La knowing the
1:58:48entertainment industry knowing
1:58:49entertainers sort of thing I guess I'm
1:58:51just saying I'm not surprised by the
1:58:53allegations it's unfortunate and I'm not
1:58:55surprised that these women kept quiet
1:58:58for all those years you know you take
1:59:00these women that want to be successful
1:59:01in the industry they don't want to upset
1:59:04whoever you know and even and he was a
1:59:06very famous not only that and even
1:59:09famous or not you hear so many
1:59:10situations where women are raped and
1:59:12they don't even talk about it because of
1:59:13the shame associated with it you know
1:59:15and that's not even with by someone
1:59:18who's a public figure so I can
1:59:21understand I think
1:59:24why the women stayed quiet why it it
1:59:27took so I mean one of the main accusers
1:59:30is a Scottsdale resident right right but
1:59:34that's another story uh Tor Moore Casey
1:59:37Anthony lives in her self-made prison
1:59:39she is and will never be
1:59:43free I let's
1:59:47see let's just say I knew a couple
1:59:49people in prison they say they' rather
1:59:51die than go back yikes Rachel
1:59:54yeah Joe Foy I guess Kelly believes
1:59:56every crime equals the death penalty
1:59:58whether you think a chocolate bar murder
2:00:02someone
2:00:04uh Jane Willcox Jonathan I so did not
2:00:07want to believe OJ Simpson was guilty
2:00:09either as I watched the trial and fold
2:00:11it became apparent he was what a total
2:00:12shock that he was found not
2:00:15guilty jod despite her appeals will die
2:00:18in The Slammer Savannah Rose saying Juan
2:00:21Martinez did a great job in the area's
2:00:22case know what his next case will be and
2:00:24whenn 060 exess do you know that I don't
2:00:27know what's next for
2:00:34[Music]
2:00:36him uhoh here we go Kelly Davenport
2:00:39Casey Anthony killed your daughter like
2:00:41milky killed her child and both walked
2:00:43free little milky was on death I think
2:00:46Kelly feels very strongly about this cuz
2:00:47everything is capitalized in every
2:00:49message oh she always types in all caps
2:00:51Kell we know that's Kelly because it's
2:00:53all get rid of the cap lock you're
2:00:57shouting Joe Foley why is Bill Cosby
2:01:00paid people off like I said there's no
2:01:02smoke without
2:01:03fire Zena Angel chiming in Milky served
2:01:0623 years either way that's
2:01:10true
2:01:11uh agreed Jane I feel with the OJ case
2:01:14the reason he got off is because he had
2:01:15an exellent attorney but I do feel he
2:01:17was guilty true Jonathan but now he's in
2:01:18jail he is he may be yeah he is
2:01:22I'm just trying to imagine what it was
2:01:24like a couple things I want to ask and
2:01:27all of our viewers here are really
2:01:29helping me think about this Milky case M
2:01:32I do think from what Kelly's saying and
2:01:34other folks that she really does need
2:01:36tomorrow to address the fact that there
2:01:38are plenty of people who think she's a
2:01:39murderer right and she needs to talk
2:01:41about that are any yeah is are these
2:01:43comments inspiring more questions well
2:01:46one of them is you know I'll ask her
2:01:49there's plenty of our of our viewers and
2:01:51people on the street generally who just
2:01:52think you did this so what do you say
2:01:55are you going to say how do you feel
2:01:56when people compare you to Casey Anthony
2:01:58I don't even know if she knows Casey she
2:02:00was in jail during that or prison she
2:02:01missed she missed you know when she was
2:02:03in prison George George HW Bush was
2:02:08president that was before Bill
2:02:10Clinton this is a long time ago long
2:02:14time ago so I'd ask her that and I'd
2:02:16also ask how could you spend 23 years in
2:02:19a concrete box
2:02:22and not completely lose your sanity if
2:02:24she talks tomorrow and sounds like she's
2:02:27got it together I'm just curious how she
2:02:31could have got what that was like can
2:02:33you imagine no I can't I mean one day
2:02:36living like that would drive me nuts but
2:02:38to be like that every day what do you do
2:02:40for every day 3 years
2:02:44wow there's no human interaction at all
2:02:47really very little no you get your you
2:02:49get your food through Recreation time or
2:02:51no but it's you're you're released into
2:02:53this small pen by yourself okay so
2:02:56similar to what we saw surrounded with
2:02:57Cyclone fencing yeah still you're still
2:02:59it's like a a dog on a dog run so it's
2:03:01not like shash Shank Redemption kind of
2:03:03no those people are not on death row and
2:03:06and they're not in isolation right
2:03:07they're in a community I think I feel
2:03:09like that's I don't know if this is true
2:03:12at least for me though I feel like pop
2:03:15culture changes your perception of what
2:03:17prison is like I've mentioned it here on
2:03:19the show people are fascinated black
2:03:22you've seen movies like sha Shank
2:03:23Redemption and you think you think that
2:03:26that's what all prison is like there's a
2:03:28long list of prison movies you know
2:03:30there there's TV networks who just spend
2:03:32the whole weekend showing the lives of
2:03:33prisoners right some people get off on
2:03:35doing on watching shows about people who
2:03:38are
2:03:41incarcerated uh whatever uh there is
2:03:44something fascinating about it to people
2:03:46mhm mostly it's like I'm glad I'm not
2:03:49there wouldn't it be weird to be there
2:03:52and so you're vicariously fascinated
2:03:53with the lives of people who are in a
2:03:55place where you would hate to
2:03:57be I mean it's interesting either way
2:03:59you're just getting this perspective
2:04:00into something that you're never going
2:04:01to but when you actually go into a
2:04:02prison to cover a story or to interview
2:04:04people it's a very boring place so when
2:04:08people say they have to do time that's
2:04:10true you're doing time I mean that's all
2:04:13they do they just spend time they just
2:04:17try to make the clock run it's a very
2:04:20dismal place
2:04:22yeah that's what probably what you're
2:04:23just trying to find a way to boring
2:04:25boring it's all cinder block walls it's
2:04:27very noisy there's always people
2:04:29shouting it's never
2:04:31quiet uh and there's a lot of fearsome
2:04:33people in there that probably prisoners
2:04:36in general population always are worried
2:04:37about if they're in a medium security or
2:04:40more type prison right you never know
2:04:42who's going to attack you there's a lot
2:04:43of gangs there's a lot of you know a lot
2:04:46of stuff going on mhm and there's some
2:04:49people who get out of it better people
2:04:51some people who
2:04:53don't with jod Aras eventually she will
2:04:56get years down the road I mean years
2:04:59down the road she will get into a sort
2:05:01of general population status at some
2:05:05point in the distant
2:05:07future with this life in prison sentence
2:05:10so she's not going to be she will be
2:05:12able to interact with other human beings
2:05:13she'll eventually be like the oranges a
2:05:15new black Paradigm where there's a mess
2:05:17hall and there's women who sit around a
2:05:19table and who do activities and she'll
2:05:23life in prison would be like living in a
2:05:26very Grim dorm forever forever uh Sher
2:05:30Kina is asking has anyone ever heard
2:05:31from the jurors from the Milky case it
2:05:33would be interesting to hear from them
2:05:35today it would be and I don't know about
2:05:39that that's so long ago M so long ago
2:05:42but it was a it was a pretty slam dunk
2:05:45case once you have this detective who
2:05:46seems so business-like and credible
2:05:48saying yep she admitted to me she killed
2:05:49her kid as a jur
2:05:52sure you know the police officer carries
2:05:55a lot of weight MH you know we trust
2:05:58police officers we feel they're credible
2:06:01and you know that's that's how we look
2:06:04at them right so most of them take their
2:06:06job very seriously and you have no
2:06:08reason to doubt what the police officer
2:06:10is saying is true exactly uh Jane Wilcox
2:06:13Jonathan when you watch the verdict of
2:06:14OJ look closely at the face of
2:06:16Kardashian he was in total disbelief of
2:06:18the verdict that's all that says it all
2:06:21for about Kardashian all we ever hear
2:06:23about is the Kardashian CL yeah CH and
2:06:26the
2:06:27yikes I mean really it goes back to OJ I
2:06:30don't get that show if you really go
2:06:31back to it OJ is the reason Kim
2:06:33Kardashian is famous oh yeah it was
2:06:35Robert Kardashian I think right it's OJ
2:06:37which leads
2:06:38to the children the guy threw out the
2:06:40evidence the real crime OJ committed was
2:06:43making Kim Kardashian famous was one of
2:06:46many um let's see John fit I don't know
2:06:51what says I believe 911 should be
2:06:52reinvestigated and Bush should be oh 911
2:06:56oh okay okay that's another unrelated
2:06:58story I thought he meant the hotline
2:07:01what does d have to say your point is
2:07:04flaw Kelly we have the laws we have to
2:07:06not only punish the guilty but also to
2:07:08protect those that are accused falsely
2:07:10and that's a good point and that's what
2:07:12you're trying to I mean that's fair well
2:07:14was it Thomas Jefferson who said better
2:07:16and I I may be botching this somewhat
2:07:18but better that 10 guilty men go free
2:07:21than one innocent man is put in prison I
2:07:23mean that's kind of the foundation of
2:07:25our legal system here that it's really a
2:07:28no no to have innocent
2:07:30people um thrown in jail right yeah
2:07:34that's how we have this very slow moving
2:07:37and unwieldy frustrating system and why
2:07:40you get probably get an automatic appeal
2:07:42if you are sentenced to death you do um
2:07:45well Joseph Edward Duncan thei thiri
2:07:46ever be executed he has six death
2:07:48penalty convictions he's so dangerous to
2:07:50children I don't know that case I don't
2:07:52know who that is but you know what um
2:07:55these people are on death row for a very
2:07:56long time in fact there's a guy in Texas
2:07:58who's says that he's been on death row
2:08:01for 30 years and that he shouldn't be
2:08:03put to death because being incarcerated
2:08:05on death row for 30 years has been cruel
2:08:07and unusual punishment I think that went
2:08:09to the Supreme Court this is the show
2:08:11they're talking about lock
2:08:12up uh Rachel
2:08:14says I like watching prison shows I
2:08:17really love learning about subcultures
2:08:18and people and their stories that's true
2:08:20I mean there's lot of that in prisons
2:08:23Kelly Shashank is my husband's favorite
2:08:25movie it was a great film
2:08:29mhm uh de burn sides thanks Rachel
2:08:32people that cry so hard for blood
2:08:34through their emotions need to realize
2:08:35that the law is for both the innocent
2:08:37and the
2:08:38guilty shell jet I have a friend in
2:08:41federal prison it's no picnic true uh
2:08:45Kelly says sha shank is my husband's
2:08:46favorite movie Jonathan Tory lockup is a
2:08:48good one to watch on TV I watch it a lot
2:08:52H shell jet because they have a friend
2:08:55uh in federal prison can't watch shows
2:08:57about prison probably it's too emotional
2:08:59prison is a very boring place that's the
2:09:00reality of prison Savannah I had to go
2:09:02to Cork to pick up a patient I couldn't
2:09:04get out fast enough Central
2:09:08California
2:09:09uh I've driven by corkran what's corkran
2:09:13is that a place of federal prison yeah
2:09:15it's uh there's different levels of
2:09:16those to yeah it's um in central
2:09:19California just out in the middle of
2:09:21nowhere between Fresno and
2:09:23Bakersfield wow that does sound right
2:09:26location wise yeah plus the heat it's
2:09:29there's a real rough prison in
2:09:31California by Wy as well off I 10 oh I
2:09:34don't know that one that's really Bleak
2:09:36I knew corkren because that one was
2:09:38California puts its prisons in very
2:09:39Bleak places and then uh wow there's a
2:09:44one in oh my gosh the one that Scott
2:09:47Peterson is at up in the Bay Area why
2:09:49can't I think of it right now
2:09:52wow that's some rough it's going to
2:09:54bother me that I can't think of it but
2:09:56someone here's going to remind us in a
2:09:58few minutes yeah uh corkran is rough
2:10:02what does it say about
2:10:03Metallica played at corkran oh that's
2:10:07that's interesting I didn't captive
2:10:09audience right where where did Johnny
2:10:11Cash play
2:10:12fome do is that the one you're think
2:10:15typically no no no prison no no no it's
2:10:19it's hear the name we're going to no I'm
2:10:22going to just have to Google it it's not
2:10:24Alcatraz yeah no no but it's up
2:10:29[Music]
2:10:32there what are these
2:10:34headlines oh this actually just came out
2:10:37according to Fox News Insider odd that
2:10:40we're bringing him up right now cushy
2:10:42life on death
2:10:43row this is so interesting are folks
2:10:45seeing this back home uh no but I can
2:10:47pull this up since it's Fox news thank
2:10:48you I'm going to pull this up always
2:10:51show what Fox News is up
2:10:54to let's read it together cuz this is
2:10:57interesting given our discussion do you
2:10:59have a story to get to by the way I
2:11:00don't want to keep you up you I have an
2:11:01S so just hang out for a little bit if
2:11:03you'd like it's been 10 years since
2:11:06Scott Peterson was sent to death for the
2:11:08murder of his 8mon pregnant wife Lacy
2:11:10and their unul child last night in a
2:11:13special 1-hour report raldo Rivera took
2:11:15an in-depth look at the riveting case
2:11:17and Peterson surprisingly San Quenton
2:11:19yeah San Quenton there we go for
2:11:21goodness sakes that's the one I went
2:11:23when I was like 20 21 to San Quenton why
2:11:27uh I was interning at ABC in Fresno and
2:11:29it was for a sweeps piece so I got tag
2:11:32along with the report that's why I was
2:11:34bothering I couldn't
2:11:35remember um let's see so apparently he
2:11:38has this privileged life on death row
2:11:42supposedly raldo has a single cell
2:11:45inside of exclusive part of the prison
2:11:46the best accommodations he could hope to
2:11:48have he has access to outdoor facilities
2:11:51and including a protective roof and even
2:11:52a basketball court I mean all these guys
2:11:54can play basketball it's not like
2:11:56they're I saw this quiet I would have to
2:11:58say buff looking young man with his
2:11:59shirt off and he was playing basketball
2:12:01he looked like you were watching some
2:12:02college athletes on a neighborhood play
2:12:04basketball you've been around a lot of
2:12:05Prisons it sounds to me like what you
2:12:07describe as the cushy environment that
2:12:08you've
2:12:10seen uh this woman reveals that there
2:12:12are some death row prisoners in
2:12:14California who are in their cells 23 or
2:12:1524 hours a day without getting out
2:12:17without having contact with li prisoners
2:12:19they're not having the life Scot
2:12:20Peterson is having
2:12:21he's having an exclusive life it appears
2:12:24Peterson has not shown remorse or taking
2:12:26responsibility for his heinous crime
2:12:30apparently huh that him I guess that's
2:12:33him right there I don't think he's that
2:12:35guy you don't think so it looks like the
2:12:37back of Scott Peterson and I don't know
2:12:39why they would show a frame that wasn't
2:12:41Scott Peterson if it's a Scott Peterson
2:12:43I
2:12:44know interesting though just to some new
2:12:47news
2:12:49yeah uh
2:12:53let's
2:12:56see oh yeah Kelly Davenport her uncle
2:12:59was the judge he did the first
2:13:00preliminary trial on OJ when Nicole was
2:13:01found slaughtered wow S A Spice Girl oh
2:13:05God totally agree OJ is the reason for a
2:13:06culturist demise in the Kardashians
2:13:08yikes feel like I got a lot of
2:13:10supporters when I made that comment I
2:13:12think you did I think you struck a court
2:13:15truth hurts I have to say I was really
2:13:17on the death option for inmate Aras but
2:13:19now the thought that she gets to send in
2:13:20the same prison every day every night
2:13:22every day every night forever wow it's
2:13:24still bad right it's terrible yeah
2:13:27Charles Manson's in cor oh everyone
2:13:29saying San Quenton San quent when I was
2:13:32trying to figure out what Scott Peterson
2:13:33was in thank you guys yeah the Manson
2:13:35and Corker in or maybe very few people
2:13:39who are convicted are innocent that's
2:13:41true that is true but that's why we have
2:13:43this crazy system we've got just to John
2:13:46fit thinks identify those small number
2:13:48of people who are innocent what do you
2:13:49think about what John Fitz is F just
2:13:51saying I think the Constitution should
2:13:52be
2:13:53Rewritten well it's your right as an
2:13:56American to have at it reite it and well
2:14:00how often does the Constitution even get
2:14:01amended when was the last time we had an
2:14:03amendment it rarely gets amended but and
2:14:06and then you have to get it through a
2:14:08number of state legislators I'm just
2:14:10trying to remember from history class
2:14:11when the last time something was amended
2:14:13and I don't remember yeah it's been a
2:14:15while what do we have like something
2:14:17like 29 amendments 30 amendments
2:14:19whatever no cozy beds no morning walks
2:14:21with your dog by your side no Manson is
2:14:24in Corker and Peterson is in San Quenton
2:14:27ah what is the why are people bringing
2:14:29up folson prison cuz I was talking about
2:14:31Johnny Cash oh right that makes that he
2:14:33sang at Fon prison right so is it
2:14:35typical that these artists these
2:14:37musicians go visit prisons and perform
2:14:39like Metallica and Johnny that's a
2:14:42pretty cool idea though Metallica I mean
2:14:44like that's hardcore let's say you're a
2:14:46big fan and you never got to see them in
2:14:48concert I don't think I would go to
2:14:50prison to see
2:14:52metallic but I think you know for the
2:14:54prisoners it was probably pretty cool
2:14:56right if you've ever heard that tape of
2:14:59uh Johnny Cash at fulam prison is pretty
2:15:01great I haven't heard it I believe Merl
2:15:04Haggard was in San Quenton I'm not sure
2:15:06he was well I don't know well and true
2:15:08Johnny Cash never was never did time
2:15:10Merl
2:15:13Haggard isn't he from Bakersfield I
2:15:17think M Haggard lived out here for a
2:15:19while well he's from Bakersfield though
2:15:20there's like things uh yeah there
2:15:24streets named after him I believe places
2:15:26yeah yeah Owens sure um he's a really
2:15:31famous
2:15:33guy where was he in yeah he's born in
2:15:36oale which is a very country western
2:15:40part of Bakers have you been in oale I
2:15:42have never been to oale and I've never
2:15:43been to Bakersfield oh I uh I know that
2:15:46a lot of people like Buck Owens is from
2:15:48Bakerfield uh
2:15:49Bakersfield y has it Bakersfield sound
2:15:53Haggard I once covered the Bakersfield
2:15:55Country Music Award I bet that was great
2:15:57it was an interesting it was great it
2:15:59was in Oildale I went into this place I
2:16:02guess you could say was the equivalent
2:16:03of a saloon yeah and I really authentic
2:16:06yeah it was genuinely I walked in
2:16:08everyone was in cowboy boots and hats
2:16:10and I felt so like I had traveled back
2:16:14in time or something yeah it was really
2:16:15interesting but it was 2008
2:16:18mhm it's a foundation place for a whole
2:16:22style of
2:16:24music uh wow he was sent to Bakersfield
2:16:28jail and was later transferred after an
2:16:29escaped attempt to San Quenton prison
2:16:32wow yeah while in prison he discovered
2:16:34that his wife was expecting a was in
2:16:36trouble what did he get busted for
2:16:39uh after he tried to rob a baker and
2:16:42Petty Larsen just
2:16:44Escape he was fired beat a local boy I
2:16:47guess he was in trouble fired from a
2:16:48series of prison jobs
2:16:52kept trying to
2:16:55escape attributing a 1958 performance by
2:16:58Johnny Cash at the prison as his main
2:16:59inspiration to join a
2:17:01[Music]
2:17:03band so he got out in 196 he said it
2:17:07took about four months to get used to
2:17:08being out of the penitentiary and that
2:17:10at times he actually wanted to go back
2:17:12in wow that is
2:17:15really an interesting he really lived a
2:17:18hard life has lived a really hard life
2:17:21wow but it's probably given him a lot of
2:17:23material though you think about it
2:17:27right uh Scott gets love letters of all
2:17:29things J Cox I'm sure jod gets them
2:17:34too I
2:17:38mean Gan mcer scum that he is also is in
2:17:41San Quinton he killed my neighbor a
2:17:42heart-wrenching case Savannah Rose
2:17:45chiming in
2:17:47Savannah I believe grew up in Fresno
2:17:50okay I get this is right you might know
2:17:52people in common she's mentioned it on
2:17:54here is she connected to the raisin
2:17:57industry I don't think
2:18:00everyone I don't know there's not a huge
2:18:02have you been to the sunmade I have see
2:18:05I have there's a video of it on YouTube
2:18:06you can find Fresno is like the the
2:18:08Bread Basket of California Fresno County
2:18:10the sunmade uh sunm made uh Factory
2:18:14Capital it's off of like you know
2:18:17California State Route 99 it's not like
2:18:19it's in the heart of fr anything you
2:18:21have to actually seek it out you have to
2:18:23exit the freeway go down a m do you like
2:18:25raisins uh I'm asking very personal
2:18:27question I actually never liked raisins
2:18:29but IIs I acquired a taste for them I
2:18:32think mostly because of my hometown
2:18:34allegiance to having to be able to rep
2:18:36raisins I felt like if I said I hated
2:18:38raisins without
2:18:39raisins raisin bread would not be
2:18:41possible Right it would just be bread or
2:18:43raisin brand it would just be brand just
2:18:45be brand be really boring raisin Nets do
2:18:48you like raisin love them you raisin are
2:18:51nature's candy in my business
2:18:53communications class um at USC we had to
2:18:57do an assignment where you had to pick
2:18:58something that you were passionate about
2:19:00and spend 10 minutes in front of the
2:19:01class convincing someone that your point
2:19:03of view was true so I thought to myself
2:19:06what am I passionate about I'm like why
2:19:07Fresno is a great City and that you
2:19:09should live there so I passion about
2:19:10that 10 minutes yeah because I always
2:19:11read Fresno and everyone made fun of it
2:19:13and I was I've never been 21 years old
2:19:15and so I did this whole presentation I
2:19:17spent a good chunk of my presentation
2:19:19talking about the benefit of our
2:19:20Agriculture and our raisins I even
2:19:22bribed the audience with the I gave
2:19:24everyone raisin oatmeal raisin cookies
2:19:26part of my presentation like you guys
2:19:28couldn't eat the if it wasn't for Fresno
2:19:30that's true yeah is it the only place
2:19:32where they raising that's what matters
2:19:34how come you didn't go to Fresno State
2:19:36you could have been a bulldog and I
2:19:37would wouldn't have to pay anything my
2:19:38mom works there yeah I would have gone
2:19:40for free but uh I went to USC they have
2:19:44a very good broadcast journalism program
2:19:46but now you got to be I got a
2:19:47scholarship there so oh that's pretty
2:19:48good uh I mean we still have to pay for
2:19:50some of it but but you have to be now
2:19:52that you're here in the valley you got
2:19:53to be an ASU fan and you have to have
2:19:56some feeling for all the teams in
2:19:57Arizona if I what if I go for U OFA over
2:20:01ASU am I going to get like ripped apart
2:20:04get out of town you know what there's a
2:20:06lot of UA people though in the valley
2:20:08yeah that's true right my boyfriend
2:20:10wents U OFA so I have like
2:20:12aalo Rivera went to U OFA see there you
2:20:15go the guy who gets this exclusive story
2:20:17about Scott Peterson you a big Brad he
2:20:19also is featured in episodes of Glee
2:20:22which is a fox show Heraldo is yeah he
2:20:25was in the season he was in the season
2:20:27finale a series finale I just watched it
2:20:29over the weekend they had a two the
2:20:31whole series is over now yeah the
2:20:32two-hour series finale was Friday night
2:20:34and I watched it why wasn't why wasn't
2:20:35not informed of this Glee is over for
2:20:37good yeah I think they did a preview on
2:20:39our morning show either Thursday or
2:20:41Friday but the show was 2 hours long
2:20:43Friday night I cut up in it over the
2:20:45weekend Glee there was a Heraldo
2:20:47appearance Glee had an awful lot of fans
2:20:50any updates on the Mesa shooting John
2:20:52Fitch wants to know
2:20:55I I personally don't know of any updates
2:20:58since uh the
2:20:59weekend huh here's someone who says go
2:21:02dogs someone who wants to saah Savannah
2:21:06remember she has the my friend owns
2:21:08simonian Farms though that's also a
2:21:09Fresno
2:21:11thing uh no they're talking about
2:21:16Metallica it's interesting when you go
2:21:18back because someone's like
2:21:20from Bakersfield aren't they yeah
2:21:21they're from Bakersfield see mhm corn
2:21:24with a K with a backwards k corn was
2:21:27just in I think there's some dyslexia in
2:21:28that band I didn't get some dyslexia in
2:21:30that band you could say the same thing
2:21:32for
2:21:34Outcast
2:21:37yeah uh let's
2:21:42see Rachel has a corn tattoo oh wow
2:21:45that's
2:21:47cool I've never heard of a corn tattoo
2:21:49that's the first one that's cool all
2:21:52raisins are is dried gream true do you
2:21:55like the golden
2:21:57raisins are they're all the same they're
2:21:59all the same I'm not like racist when it
2:22:01comes to raisin no I'm not suggesting
2:22:03you would have any bias in the raisin
2:22:05world there's no there's no bias uh
2:22:08let's see Jessica Campa off reses is my
2:22:11hometown yay your hometown is Chicago
2:22:14right yeah that's why you're a Bears fan
2:22:17they
2:22:18Bears I mean I have feelings for the
2:22:20Bears obviously Blackhawks socks Cubs
2:22:24and you like the socks and the Cubs you
2:22:26don't have to pick one no I'm more of a
2:22:27Cubs fan I grew up as a kid going to
2:22:29socks games because it was easier to go
2:22:32to socks games my dad knew a guy who was
2:22:34a printer and he worked with the team a
2:22:36little bit so I got to watch the guys
2:22:38warm up and stuff it was fun let's see
2:22:42raisinets are very yummy if you like
2:22:44grapes and you like raisins I love now
2:22:46we've got into the grape raisin we have
2:22:48totally yeah we've totally opened up a
2:22:51can of raisins here here's the question
2:22:52you might actually know the answer hang
2:22:54on a second I gotta ask hey Chris am I
2:22:57on at
2:22:58noon oh you Sean you're doing the noon
2:23:03okay okay I'm doing a bide at noon that
2:23:06means folks I'm going to be talking a
2:23:08little bit we'll see some pictures and
2:23:09then we're going to have a quote a sound
2:23:10bite that's the stop part CL has a
2:23:13question hey yeah well there be any
2:23:15investigation into fraud in the jod
2:23:16areas
2:23:17case
2:23:19fraud how so I don't know she just asked
2:23:22I mean the only thing that people were
2:23:23really arguing is the whole jur 17 thing
2:23:27and I know as far as you know nothing's
2:23:29happening am i h happy about John Fox
2:23:31the new coach of the Bears uh he's a
2:23:33solid coach he's a solid coach I I don't
2:23:36know I hope he can work with Cutler like
2:23:38the quarterback you know this is my
2:23:41ancestral Homeland like a lot of people
2:23:43out here but I've been here a long time
2:23:45too and so obviously I cheer for the
2:23:47Cardinals I cheer for the dags I was at
2:23:49the Coyotes game yesterday go to Suns
2:23:51games I was at the Suns game yesterday I
2:23:53called my Instagram sunay Funday is that
2:23:56a Sunday fun Dallas I know it was crazy
2:23:59that game was so they were at 17 they
2:24:01lost the lead they came back they play
2:24:03great was crazy and the last Sun game I
2:24:05went to was the game against Oklahoma
2:24:07where we went into overtime or double
2:24:09overtime and then beat uh beat the
2:24:11Thunder yeah they still have a chance
2:24:13they still have a chance they've got to
2:24:14pretty much win out and hope that uh
2:24:16somebody stumbles ahead of them what are
2:24:18they two and a half back Miracle m Tomy
2:24:20aren't you guys supposed to be showing
2:24:21that trial about the mom who killed her
2:24:23child we did discuss that for the first
2:24:25we doing we were talking about that for
2:24:27a couple of hours are you talking about
2:24:29uh jice hunter or is she talking about U
2:24:32Deborah milky because it does say I
2:24:33think I think talking about the uh jice
2:24:35Hunter but right now our title of this
2:24:37clip says State versus Deborah milky
2:24:38heing so those of you who are just
2:24:40tuning in now who may have missed our uh
2:24:42conversation earlier let's do a quick
2:24:43recap of what happened today with milky
2:24:46uh basically it was very quick Steve was
2:24:48there um judge came out Celeste was also
2:24:53there she was outside the court no she
2:24:55was she was in the courtroom oh cool yep
2:24:57she saw the same thing I saw so what did
2:24:59you see we were there for 2 minutes and
2:25:02um basically the judge asked if
2:25:05everybody was there everybody was there
2:25:08said that you know there's a motion to
2:25:10dismiss anyone have anything to say
2:25:12about it nobody did motion granted case
2:25:15dismissed with prejudice that means
2:25:17that's the end of it it can't be brought
2:25:18up again done and this and everybody
2:25:21left that was it it went from about 8:30
2:25:23to 8:32 it was really quick and we've
2:25:26been covering it and discussing it and
2:25:28explaining why since then um and there's
2:25:31Christopher milky and that's the tragedy
2:25:33of all this and this is what this this
2:25:35is the bottom line here little boy was
2:25:36killed I know and like I said he was 4
2:25:40years old in 1989 he would be 29 years
2:25:42old right now he would have been
2:25:43celebrating his 30th birthday this year
2:25:45wow who knows what he might have become
2:25:48it's just awful the whole thing's awful
2:25:50yeah it is really sad yep but uh and the
2:25:53tough thing is trying to figure out well
2:25:55just trying to yes there is that and you
2:25:58have to try to separate your personal
2:26:01feelings about a little boy being killed
2:26:03you have to separate that out from why
2:26:05we're in court right and also I think a
2:26:07lot of times we're explaining okay this
2:26:09woman is now free this boy has been
2:26:11killed but viewers also have to know
2:26:14that there were two other men involved
2:26:15in this they both found guilty and they
2:26:17both are on death row so it's not like
2:26:20no justice has been no they were put on
2:26:22death row rather
2:26:24quickly yeah they're there yeah so
2:26:27that's the update with that and we um
2:26:29you spoke with Deborah sort of briefly
2:26:32when she left the Deb's clearly not
2:26:34talking much about this besides a couple
2:26:36little brief comments right but she is
2:26:38going to talk tomorrow right and we'll
2:26:39have that live here on news now be very
2:26:41interesting to see what she's like what
2:26:43her behavior is what her personality is
2:26:46like in that setting tomorrow now that
2:26:48she's finally able to talk freely
2:26:51mhm so we'll see so yes for those of you
2:26:55who are just tuning in that is the
2:26:58update um with milky Jonathan chiming in
2:27:01that was awesome seeing you at the Suns
2:27:02game on mircat so I got these tickets
2:27:04where you could go to the court after
2:27:05and play basketball on the court it was
2:27:08amazing do you want to see yeah the
2:27:11video um you have to put it up there
2:27:13I'll show you the video I Mir catted a
2:27:16lot on court but then uh we also took
2:27:18video so that I would have a copy I
2:27:21could keep oh
2:27:23cool you got to flip it so you can see
2:27:25it right okay now show
2:27:32there this is you're really dribbling it
2:27:35rather
2:27:36high you're like turning the ball over
2:27:38juding these are turnovers here
2:27:39basketball skills no no I don't make it
2:27:42in any of the videotape shots I made a
2:27:44shot right before we started
2:27:47videotaping okay did you any don't hang
2:27:50on the rim that's my advice to you no I
2:27:52didn't but as you can see in the monitor
2:27:54my nails are orange for the sun that's
2:27:56very good you're showing a lot
2:27:58of oh Rim's out no good so that was fun
2:28:03that's
2:28:05cool basically spotting up in the free
2:28:07throw line the reason I really wanted to
2:28:11go is because today last night was the
2:28:13first ever official Instagram night for
2:28:16the Suns oh cool and so with these
2:28:18tickets which I purchased through a link
2:28:20through work you got a selfie stick wow
2:28:23and you got to go on the court and you
2:28:25got to clip a part of the iset that's
2:28:27really cool so it was really cool it's a
2:28:29real nice Court yeah it was amaz just
2:28:31the fact that I could play basketball
2:28:33play basketball on the same court that
2:28:35these players play It's amazing it was a
2:28:36great Merc place and I yeah right and I
2:28:39want to thank the Phoenix Suns for
2:28:41providing Spectators with opportunity
2:28:43cuz it wasn't just like an exclusive
2:28:45access thing anyone in the public could
2:28:47have gotten it if they had like the co
2:28:49right code to get it so really cool to
2:28:51just we do pretty much what everybody
2:28:53else does yeah same deal it was really
2:28:56neat so that was my uh Sunday night
2:28:59sounds like fun I didn't post that video
2:29:01though I should
2:29:03yeah yeah that was cool I should you see
2:29:06you were at the Coyotes game I was at
2:29:08the Coyotes game yesterday unfortunately
2:29:09they lost to the Canucks and this is the
2:29:11thing about it they had a decent crowd
2:29:14but it was at least half Canucks fans
2:29:16really it's like every Canadian person
2:29:19who's here goes to the yeah cuz they the
2:29:21real hoey they are real hockey fans but
2:29:23they they back Canadian teams right so
2:29:26if you're a Sunbird and you're here and
2:29:28you're at Spring train you're having a
2:29:29great time and a Canadian team comes to
2:29:32town and is playing and it's a great
2:29:34Stadium Hiller River you know Arena's
2:29:37great yeah you're going to go and and
2:29:39there were so many blue and green and
2:29:42white Canucks jerseys it was really
2:29:44unbelievable I mean the cheers when they
2:29:47scored were the same or greater than the
2:29:50chairs on the
2:29:51coyotes and the coyotes were there
2:29:54obvious the team's got some Poes to fill
2:29:56so who won Canucks one 3-1 it was a very
2:29:59close game one to one way into like 3
2:30:01minutes to play it was still noted up
2:30:03one to one got it Coyote's goal he's
2:30:05getting shelled he's making heroic do
2:30:07you have any cool videos or photos no
2:30:09okay I was too into it so you're
2:30:11committed I always get in trouble like
2:30:13why are you Mir catting shouldn't you be
2:30:14watching you going to get up here now do
2:30:17the open give me about come on man all
2:30:19right two seconds this is like a totally
2:30:22behind the scenes look yeah this is what
2:30:24new everything is on the table with me
2:30:26so we know okay we know your feelings
2:30:28about Bakersfield and
2:30:30oale and big fan big fan big fan big fan
2:30:35uh yes coyotes I I backed the coyotes
2:30:38and it was a bummer that they lost and
2:30:40they they were badly outshot I mean and
2:30:42then finally finally there's a little
2:30:45crack but is it hockey season right now
2:30:47did hockey season already or is this
2:30:48pre-season no hockey on for a long time
2:30:51it's already we're pretty close to the
2:30:52playoffs and and unfortunately kot are
2:30:55not going to make the playoffs but
2:30:57Vancouver is like in fifth position in
2:30:58the Western Conference they'll be in
2:30:59there the hockey overlaps with
2:31:01basketball that's so true that's
2:31:02actually very correct yeah and coyotes
2:31:04are our team last year or whenever the
2:31:06Kings and La went further than the
2:31:09Clippers I'm just saying I remember now
2:31:12because when the both the Lakers and
2:31:13Clippers were out we we still had one
2:31:15team to cheer for in La the king oh you
2:31:17have the Ducks too or don't you ever go
2:31:19to Orange County
2:31:20you don't recognize Orange County it's
2:31:22different it's like going for the Angels
2:31:24over the Dodgers which one do you pick
2:31:27although I will say I had this weird
2:31:29allegiance to the angels because of the
2:31:30movie angels in the outfields okay well
2:31:32you know right uh ASU hockey that's true
2:31:36Su play Annie laon please remind me of
2:31:38date and time for Hunter trial on this
2:31:40screen yes it's going to be here on news
2:31:41now it starts on Wednesday March 25th I
2:31:45believe it starts at 8:30 I know we're
2:31:47going to get a live feed but it's going
2:31:48to be a 30 minute delay so I assume that
2:31:50will start at 9: and not 8:30 but we'll
2:31:52have it here on news now if you haven't
2:31:53done so already subscribe to this
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2:32:02actually get like a text message
2:32:03notification whenever we're live and
2:32:05you'll know the subject so if it says
2:32:06jice Hunter trial live you will know to
2:32:09just click on that and you'll be
2:32:10watching live so that is the way to know
2:32:14when are you going to be able to flip
2:32:15around this camera so you can show
2:32:16people The Newsroom we've done we've
2:32:17done tours we've we've shot it and
2:32:20played it back we've gone on lots of
2:32:22Tours so okay we've Mir catted too I'm
2:32:25going to hit the road I got to ride of
2:32:26OA all right thanks Steve that's that's
2:32:28inside BB chatting with you about hockey
2:32:30music andic Baker field and and murder
2:32:34trials yeah that too all right here's
2:32:36hun thanks see you everybody bye what
2:32:39did you have to say about the
2:32:41Blackhawks uh he went tough you're in
2:32:43the playoffs well he went wish the coyot
2:32:46were the playoffs he went to a hockey
2:32:47game last night oh yeah coyot
2:32:52oh the Vancouver conects were're in town
2:32:54okay now what is this this is me playing
2:32:56basketball in the Suns Court this is too
2:32:58exciting I already showed them like a
2:33:00minut
2:33:01ago
2:33:05really what's unfortunate is I never
2:33:07captured the shot that I actually made
2:33:09on video so all you see wow is me
2:33:12missing but it was really cool I'm not
2:33:15going to lie perfect timing because it's
2:33:16Mar March badis weekend you're right and
2:33:19so everybody's bball this is true by the
2:33:21way you got haircut and I obviously
2:33:22notic these things cuz I see you every
2:33:24day I know what do you guys think it's
2:33:25super short it's my new it's my new
2:33:27summer trim Mary our executive producer
2:33:31said hon I like it makes you look a
2:33:33little younger I like it yeah okay so
2:33:35well welcome we we still have a lot of
2:33:37news in this story obviously your huge
2:33:41uh I guess political junkie big news
2:33:44this morning yes we have the full 30
2:33:47minute or so speech flash announcement
2:33:50that I can play a little bit later do
2:33:52you know why I know that CU I went back
2:33:54to Jeff this morning at 7 and I said
2:33:56roll on this for somia so kind I
2:33:58actually well I listened to it in the
2:34:00car on the way oh did you it was so
2:34:02interesting and I know this is going to
2:34:03sound terrible but first I I listened to
2:34:06Fox News and I started thinking I didn't
2:34:08realize it was a politician speaking for
2:34:11some reason I thought I was listening to
2:34:13a church service oh well now doesn't he
2:34:17well and then I so I was like this must
2:34:18be a p the way it was speaking he speaks
2:34:20like a pastor but doesn't he have some
2:34:22experience or somebody is was his dad
2:34:25but then I changed the channel and then
2:34:26I was on another news network and I
2:34:28realized the same thing was playing I
2:34:29was like okay this must be something
2:34:31yeah so then I listen to the whole thing
2:34:32and realized
2:34:34what but I really thought for a moment
2:34:36that I was like wait it's Monday what's
2:34:38church services going on Monday morning
2:34:40well okay I mean the seventh day
2:34:42Adventists are on Saturday so I mean I
2:34:45believe I believe Saturdays though I
2:34:46believe Sundays I even believe there's
2:34:47Mass on Wednesdays I just
2:34:50Monday there could be I'm not saying
2:34:52there's no Monday prayer service
2:34:54anywhere in the country I'm just saying
2:34:55I was really surprised and then it was
2:34:57carried on multiple networks I was like
2:34:58okay this is not a prayer service this
2:34:59is something else um he which un he has
2:35:04that uh we're speaking about Ted Cruz by
2:35:06the way correct he has that kind of
2:35:08pastoral almost sound when he's speaking
2:35:10and so he has some experience in the
2:35:12past church- wise I need to look into
2:35:15that a little bit more but to answer
2:35:16your question uh it was Liberty
2:35:18University and I just had salad can you
2:35:20smell my onions a little bit yeah now I
2:35:23can okay good anyway sorry they can't
2:35:25though smell does not transmit through
2:35:28video play which for the most part is
2:35:30good today um it's Liberty University
2:35:32and the history of Liberty University is
2:35:35that it was founded by a guy named Jerry
2:35:38fwell back in the
2:35:401980s and here's a guy who um had
2:35:44founded this kind of conservative
2:35:46religious
2:35:47organization uh that was more of a
2:35:49political uh action thing than anything
2:35:52else but he starts this University and
2:35:54it really is his legacy I went back
2:35:57there to interview him somia he's passed
2:35:59away many years ago um where is it uh
2:36:02it's in a town called Lynchberg Virginia
2:36:05and I'm just telling you it's one of the
2:36:07most beautiful places in America I don't
2:36:10know if we have anybody who amongst our
2:36:12list of people who are watching who was
2:36:16that uh was that Jonathan somebody said
2:36:20what no Mohawk
2:36:23Ron anyway um it
2:36:27is such a beautiful Town Lynchburg
2:36:31Virginia now I'm kind of partial to it
2:36:34because I have family on my mom's side
2:36:38that they are back in uh back in the
2:36:40Blue Ridge Mountains and so I uh I don't
2:36:44know my kids will tell you one time I'm
2:36:47driving around we're driving around the
2:36:48Blue Ridge Mountain
2:36:50and we've gone a couple of miles we
2:36:51haven't seen any traffic and we come
2:36:53around to B and it's Sunset and the Sun
2:36:55is setting over about three layers of
2:36:57the Blue Ridge looking off toward West
2:37:00Virginia there and there's this Bend in
2:37:01the river and the Sun is kind of in an
2:37:03orange glow reflecting off the river and
2:37:06I said I this might be the most
2:37:07beautiful scene I've ever seen in my
2:37:09life this is another so uh Sher saying
2:37:12uh Ted Cruz was born in
2:37:14Canada well then how can you run for
2:37:17president though don't you have to be
2:37:18born in the United States is isn't that
2:37:19the rule yeah so I'm confused now cuz I
2:37:22feel like I heard on the radio that
2:37:23someone else said Ted Cruz was born in
2:37:24Canada okay and I need to look this up
2:37:27now he must
2:37:29um must have been a joint Calgary okay
2:37:32so it must be like a joint citizenship
2:37:34thing or something no but it doesn't
2:37:35matter if you're a citizen it's not
2:37:36about citizenship the rule is are you
2:37:39have to be born in the United States b35
2:37:42those are the two right correct so I
2:37:45don't understand how he's going to be
2:37:47able to do this and is there something
2:37:48about not been convicted of a felony or
2:37:51something I don't remember well I don't
2:37:52know but I do know that he was born in
2:37:53Canada yeah because I remember when
2:37:55people were talking about Arnold
2:37:56Schwarzenegger uh possibly being
2:37:58president in theory can't he can be
2:38:00Governor right governator yes he can't
2:38:03be president well the deal with um
2:38:07Arnold schwarzen aner is he's I mean
2:38:10that's Austria Canada is practically
2:38:13like America but it's not America it's
2:38:15not no and I'm just saying I mean he's
2:38:17from Calgary I have family in C I've
2:38:19been to Calgary oh it's a great town
2:38:21it's great but they you it's not America
2:38:24you hear the Canadian accent when people
2:38:26speak that's right now my cousins
2:38:28definitely say sorry instead of sorry
2:38:30and a boat A boat like that tomorrow I'm
2:38:33just that's exactly how my cousins sound
2:38:35like tomorrow I I actually kind of like
2:38:37saying tomorrow I guess it sounds kind
2:38:39of he saying his mother was a US citizen
2:38:42okay svannah dual citizen makes us
2:38:45Natural Born I still feel like okay so
2:38:47there you go his mom was a US citizen
2:38:49but don't you I feel I thought you had
2:38:50it wasn't about citizenship I thought
2:38:51you had to be physically born in the
2:38:53United States but let's say that because
2:38:55remember the whole AR people are like oh
2:38:57Obama was born in Kenya well I mean
2:39:00hypothetically true his mother was still
2:39:03American and a lot of the people even if
2:39:05a lot of people who might be supporting
2:39:06Senator Cruz might be those who were on
2:39:08the get Obama out of their that's what
2:39:11I'm saying I'm just saying that this is
2:39:13getting it's getting dicey but on the
2:39:16other hand let's look at it because who
2:39:17was it in the chat box who just gave us
2:39:19the 411 right here James just called Ron
2:39:22oh no Celeste is doing it Jeff oh
2:39:25Celeste is doing it got it who's James
2:39:28James aronda probably the world's
2:39:30greatest floor director oh I walk in
2:39:33every morning at 4:30 and there's James
2:39:35smiling away Celeste is going to do it I
2:39:37think let me just look and make sure
2:39:39yeah yep she's good to go so you know we
2:39:42have to balance our TV duties out here
2:39:44but anyway
2:39:46um so the situation is let's just say
2:39:49that it's uh several years from now and
2:39:54you are happily married to an American
2:39:56gentleman okay I don't have any idea who
2:39:58this would be but let's say that the two
2:40:01of you happen to be on
2:40:03vacation in uh I don't know London and
2:40:09all of a sudden uh you don't you give
2:40:12birth right like you're expecting follow
2:40:14along with my story I mean would it be
2:40:16fair if you're an American and he's an
2:40:18American you just happen to be on
2:40:19vacation in London that Therefore your
2:40:22child cannot run for president you're
2:40:24both American doesn't matter if you just
2:40:27happen to be what if you were either on
2:40:29vacation or what if you were serving see
2:40:30now this is a situation with John McCain
2:40:33because he was born I believe I have
2:40:35this right in Panama during the time
2:40:38that the Panama Canal oh I probably
2:40:41shouldn't even now I'm getting out is
2:40:43saying I think Savannah is saying this
2:40:45from experience she's saying our birth
2:40:46certificate says us born abroad
2:40:49yeah well the problem is it says Natural
2:40:52Born the Constitution says a natural
2:40:54born
2:40:55American so the requirement is a little
2:41:00it raises you know it's not as specific
2:41:02if it said must be born within the
2:41:05continental United States okay only
2:41:08native born US citizens are those born
2:41:10abroad but only to parents of at least
2:41:12one who was the US citizen at the time
2:41:14okay so I think we've clarified that
2:41:16that's good that was had the potential
2:41:18to be some kind of detour didn't it
2:41:20though from time to time that
2:41:21requirement is called into question
2:41:23recently in the case of potential 2016
2:41:25presidential candidate Senator Ted Cruz
2:41:27okay was born in Canada to a Cuban born
2:41:29father and a us-born mother wow also
2:41:31needs to be 35 years of age as we know
2:41:33right uh youngest was
2:41:35JFK finally one must live in the US for
2:41:38at least 14 years to be president in
2:41:40addition to being a natural born citizen
2:41:42Constitution is vague on this point for
2:41:44example it does not make clear whether
2:41:45those 14 years need to be in consecutive
2:41:47order or what precise definition is of
2:41:49residency so far however this
2:41:51requirement has not been challenged cuz
2:41:52that's true I mean you want someone you
2:41:54need to have lived to the country enough
2:41:55to know how to run it you can't just
2:41:57watch it from abroad and decide you're
2:41:59going to come in I'm go run that country
2:42:01especially because I think people get a
2:42:03um distorted view of America when they
2:42:06are living elsewhere yeah um you know I
2:42:10mean if you live in this country you
2:42:11have a pretty good idea on a day-to-day
2:42:13basis exactly what's going on so that is
2:42:16interesting but I'll give you a little
2:42:17bit of a sidelight M you know I have to
2:42:20go do the noon broadcast today correct
2:42:22did you know that only get a little
2:42:24about an hour or so to visit but you
2:42:26have Ted Cruz do have Ted Cruz waiting
2:42:28in the wings right so I will tell you
2:42:30one thing about Ted Cruz is though what
2:42:32I had seen this morning was that so why
2:42:35make the announcement so early on nobody
2:42:38else has announced for president and
2:42:40that he got wind of the fact that a
2:42:44couple of other we just got an
2:42:46announcement that there's a uova news
2:42:48conference they have to switch to oh so
2:42:50we need to listen in on this and hear
2:42:52what's happening oh this is the are
2:42:53these the rape allegations I think so
2:42:56okay that we've reached and then of
2:42:58course uh we'll answer any questions
2:43:00that you might have to the extent we're
2:43:03able to answer those questions so I'll
2:43:04ask for your cooperation up front uh
2:43:07before I begin I want to take a moment
2:43:09to uh to thank president Terry celan at
2:43:13the University of Virginia uh and her
2:43:15staff uh for making themselves available
2:43:18to us uh not only personally but also
2:43:20making those this is a news conference
2:43:22um you guys remember when there were
2:43:24those accusations of rape with that
2:43:25Rolling Stone article and it that woman
2:43:28then said it was like made up it was all
2:43:29that controversal Jackie I think was the
2:43:31name they used in the article right yes
2:43:33a lot of questions about it so this is a
2:43:35news conference on that uh with the
2:43:39young lady that we came to identify uh
2:43:42in this case as Jackie uh also want to
2:43:45thank Council on behalf of the FI Sai
2:43:47fraternity who made available to us
2:43:50persons and records and other
2:43:51information uh that was helpful in our
2:43:53investigative process want to thank the
2:43:55University of Virginia Police Department
2:43:57of course our partner uh each and every
2:43:59day as we deal with issues in and around
2:44:01the university community I also want to
2:44:03thank those uh who had the courage to
2:44:06come forward when we asked and be
2:44:07interviewed um and cooperate with this
2:44:10important investigative process uh they
2:44:13were under no compulsion to do so we had
2:44:15no Authority upon which to compel their
2:44:18cooperation but they they came forth
2:44:20nonetheless um and then lastly I want to
2:44:23thank our service providers in the
2:44:25community and commit to our service
2:44:27providers and our survivors in this
2:44:29community to work to help address the
2:44:31important needs of uh the survivors of
2:44:34of sexual assault in our
2:44:36community U as you know the uh November
2:44:3819th 2014 article that was published in
2:44:42the Rolling Stone magazine uh prompted
2:44:45tremendous concern and I think it's
2:44:46probably an understatement in our
2:44:48community and throughout our nation uh
2:44:51about sexual assault generally and
2:44:53specifically how sexual assaults are
2:44:55handled on college campuses uh
2:44:58immediately upon the release of that
2:44:59article uh the department was contacted
2:45:02by President Sullivan and she
2:45:04respectfully request that we that we
2:45:05commence an immediate criminal
2:45:07investigation uh into the facts that
2:45:09were contained within that article uh
2:45:12Dean Nicole Ram first learns of a sexual
2:45:15assault that had occurred in September
2:45:18of 2012 12 on May the 20th
2:45:222013 when she met with Jackie Jackie was
2:45:24referred to Dina raml at that time for
2:45:27some academic issues and it was during
2:45:29the course of that meeting that she
2:45:30described a sexual act um but that act
2:45:33that was described was not consistent
2:45:35with the facts and circumstances as they
2:45:37were described um in the article in
2:45:41Roland Stern magazine uh at that time
2:45:43she did not disclose uh a specific
2:45:46location as to where that event may have
2:45:48taken place
2:45:50she again uh meets with Dina ramoo on
2:45:53April the 21st
2:45:552014 regarding a physical assault which
2:45:57is alleged to have occurred on the
2:45:59corner uh involving four male subjects
2:46:02it was during the course of that meeting
2:46:05that she discloses the FI Kappa sa house
2:46:08as the location of the September 28th
2:46:112012 sexual
2:46:13assault now the Charlottesville Police
2:46:15Department first became aware of the
2:46:172012 assault
2:46:19when an officer came to meet with Jackie
2:46:21in deamo and and the University of
2:46:24Virginia uh police officer in April of
2:46:272014 after Jackie's second meeting with
2:46:30Dina raml uh she described a
2:46:33circumstances or a set of circumstances
2:46:35that occurred on the University Corner
2:46:37early that month April the 6th 2014 to
2:46:41be exact uh somewhere in the area of
2:46:43Ellwood Avenue she would say that she
2:46:45came upon four male individuals uh they
2:46:48began to follow her uh one of them
2:46:51called her name as she turned to look in
2:46:54their Direction she was struck with an
2:46:56object that in further investigation or
2:46:59rather interviewing would be disclosed
2:47:01as as a bottle she said she was struck
2:47:03in the side of the face she said that
2:47:05when she went home that night um her
2:47:08roommate who was a nursing student
2:47:11actually had to help pick the glass
2:47:13particles from her face I will tell you
2:47:15that that roommate was subsequently
2:47:17interviewed and she denies
2:47:19uh doing that uh she further would
2:47:22describe uh the uh the injury U that uh
2:47:26she stall on her roommate's faces as
2:47:28being something of an abrasion U that
2:47:31description uh is consistent with what
2:47:34investigators uh would conclude when
2:47:36seeing a photograph that was taken
2:47:38sometime during the week of April 11th
2:47:40which shows some swelling around
2:47:42Jackie's eye and again uh something that
2:47:44appears to be more of an of an abrasion
2:47:47as opposed to a a blunt um blunt trauma
2:47:50injury uh Jackie would further say uh
2:47:53during that interview that she uh she
2:47:56made a telephone call uh in the area of
2:47:59the parking garage on Ellwood uh and
2:48:01that that phone call was placed to I
2:48:03believe her mother uh we uh had an
2:48:06opportunity to look at phone records
2:48:08that we believe are Jackie's phone
2:48:11records and there is no such call um
2:48:13outlined in those records there was also
2:48:16a call for service the totally unrelated
2:48:18call for service around that same time
2:48:20period in which a Charlottesville police
2:48:22officer respondent was there for several
2:48:24minutes uh where the officer was on
2:48:26elliewood would have been visible to
2:48:28someone who would have been in or around
2:48:31the parking garage um I might highlight
2:48:34that uh again it wasn't until several
2:48:36weeks later that that Jackie brings that
2:48:38assault um to our attention it's also uh
2:48:42at that time that she uh she reveals uh
2:48:46a sexual assault that took place in 20 2
2:48:50um she did not wish to report that in
2:48:54incident that night to the to the
2:48:55officer who responded to meet with Dina
2:48:57ramoo and the university officer um and
2:49:01so no report was written at her request
2:49:04but on May the1st
2:49:052014 detective viia met with Jackie
2:49:08again in the presence of Dean Ramo and
2:49:11again Jackie refused to disclose the
2:49:13details of the sexual assault nor did
2:49:16she wish to pursue the investigation
2:49:17involving the alleged physical assault
2:49:20which occurred on April the
2:49:226th and so we fast forward now to
2:49:25November Rolling Stone magazine article
2:49:27released and again president Sullivan
2:49:30contacts the department and asks for an
2:49:32immediate
2:49:33investigation uh Jake uh quickly
2:49:37recalled having met with the young lady
2:49:39pardon me in
2:49:40April connects to dots reaches out to uh
2:49:44Jackie by phone I believe First leaves a
2:49:47message
2:49:49uh this is somewhere around the thanks
2:49:51just prior to the Thanksgiving break uh
2:49:54next day he emails Jackie uh and that
2:49:57time Jackie responds back to him and uh
2:50:00she agrees to meet with Detective via
2:50:02after the Thanksgiving break and so on
2:50:05December the 2nd uh she comes to the
2:50:07Charlottesville Police Department
2:50:08accompanied by by Dean Lor Castine from
2:50:11the University of Virginia Dena students
2:50:13office uh she's also present with legal
2:50:16counsel that she had acquired through uh
2:50:18legal aid and Justice Center here in
2:50:20Charlottesville and through her lawyer
2:50:23um she refuses to give a statement or
2:50:25answer any
2:50:27questions at some point thereafter in an
2:50:30effort to try to get some some records
2:50:32that we thought might be relevant to our
2:50:34investigation records that were specific
2:50:36to Jackie that the University was not at
2:50:39Liberty to give us because of federal
2:50:40privacy laws we asked through uh through
2:50:43legal counsel whether Jackie would
2:50:44consent to a search uh excuse me consent
2:50:48to allowing us to gain access by written
2:50:50consent to those records uh and that uh
2:50:53that request as well was
2:50:55denied uh we were provided by uh Council
2:50:58on behalf of fasai a membership roster
2:51:01from
2:51:022012 along with the lease agreements
2:51:04with that time and and bank
2:51:06records nine of the 11 residents uh were
2:51:09interviewed who were president or who
2:51:11were in the house in
2:51:122012 uh were interviewed and had no
2:51:15knowledge regarding a sexual assault uh
2:51:18nor did they know the person uh known as
2:51:21as uh as Jackie a questionnaire that was
2:51:24prepared by Sergeant Harrison detective
2:51:26viia was sented fraternity members uh 19
2:51:29of those questionnaires were returned uh
2:51:31none provided any information regarding
2:51:34Jackie or a sexual assault either on
2:51:36September the 28 2012 or at the house um
2:51:40the further investigation uh revealed no
2:51:43evidence that a party had taken place on
2:51:45September 28th as well uh we checked the
2:51:48social calendar uh there was no
2:51:50information pertaining to a calendar uh
2:51:52such a party on the social calendar in
2:51:54addition to the fact we did find that
2:51:56their sister sari Gamma Delta gamma did
2:52:01in fact have a a formal I believe uh on
2:52:04that particular evening and the thought
2:52:05was that they would not likely have had
2:52:08uh two events as not to cannibalize each
2:52:10other's uh guest list and so um we
2:52:13weren't able to support that a that a
2:52:15party was taking place at at fap asai we
2:52:18also o uh discovered during the course
2:52:20of the investigation uh through I
2:52:22suspect a Cooperative uh uh W witness
2:52:25that was interviewed or potential
2:52:27witness a photograph that's timestamped
2:52:30uh September the 28th around 11:30 at
2:52:32night and it it depicts the entrance
2:52:35Corridor the main room of of the
2:52:37fraternity house um to the as I recall
2:52:41the to the left of on which way you're
2:52:44facing inside so you have stair
2:52:46stairwell on one side you have an
2:52:48entrance store side entrance store in
2:52:49the other if there's a male depicted in
2:52:51the picture he's holding two chairs uh
2:52:53there's literally no one else around uh
2:52:56we found that to be somewhat
2:52:57inconsistent with the the large group
2:53:00that was described in the in the Rolling
2:53:02Stone article um suffice it to say we
2:53:05were unable to Define any basis a fact
2:53:08to conclude that there was even an event
2:53:10on September the 28th 2012 at that
2:53:13particular fraternity house uh
2:53:15investigation uh turned to uh two a ja
2:53:18best friends that we had an opportunity
2:53:20the investigators had an opportunity to
2:53:23interview um they they were aware that
2:53:26that Jackie was to be going on a date
2:53:28that particular night with a person
2:53:30identified as Haven Monahan they had
2:53:33never met uh Haven Monahan uh they had
2:53:36uh exchanged text messages with a person
2:53:40they believed to be Haven Monahan but
2:53:42again they had never met him uh it's my
2:53:45understanding as I recall they were
2:53:46supposed to be going to The Boar's Head
2:53:48in for a dinner and then they were going
2:53:50to go to a uh a subsequent fraternity
2:53:53event uh unfortunately the board's head
2:53:56in doesn't retain reservation records
2:53:58from
2:53:592012 uh we didn't have sufficient
2:54:01information to to access any credit card
2:54:03information to determine whether they
2:54:05even uh any anyone ever had dined at the
2:54:08board's head in that evening uh or not
2:54:11the other interesting piece of
2:54:13information that comes from the
2:54:14interview of these two friends is that
2:54:17their recollection of of the meeting up
2:54:20uh after this event that is described in
2:54:22the article they just they remember it
2:54:24is somewhat different uh than is
2:54:27described in the article I believe the
2:54:28article uh indicates that that Jackie
2:54:32reached out to her friends and then they
2:54:33met up closer to the Mad bowl or the
2:54:36area where the uh the the alleged
2:54:39assault took place the friends seem to
2:54:42think that it uh fits you dorm somewhere
2:54:44across campus was the location um they
2:54:48don't recall any any physical injuries
2:54:50they do feel like something occurred but
2:54:53they don't recall any any physical
2:54:54injuries and so there's some
2:54:55inconsistencies between what what they
2:54:58recall and and and what's outlined in
2:54:59the article we've made numerous attempts
2:55:02to uh identify who Haven Monahan is to
2:55:06the extent that haven Monahan even
2:55:08exists uh using that telephone number
2:55:11that they believe they were texting back
2:55:13and forth to we searched numerous inter
2:55:15internet sites to try to ident identify
2:55:18him um the telephone number came back to
2:55:21it was a Google number as I recall um
2:55:24and there was no uh no information that
2:55:26could be obtained uh subscriber
2:55:28information that could be obtained from
2:55:29Google we uh interviewed members of The
2:55:32Aquatic staff uh Haven Monahan or this
2:55:35person Drew that's identified in the
2:55:37article and and Jackie were supposed to
2:55:39have worked together uh at the Aquatic
2:55:41Center pool uh interviewed the
2:55:43supervisors at the pool none of them
2:55:45were familiar with a Drew or a Haven
2:55:47Monahan
2:55:54um there was another name
2:55:58that surfaced during the course of the
2:56:00investigation as we talked to people uh
2:56:03this individual uh was someone worth
2:56:06looking at because I believe he worked
2:56:08at the Aquatic Center uh and he also uh
2:56:11he also belong to a
2:56:13fraternity but not the same fraternity
2:56:16so we wanted to be as thorough as we
2:56:18could we contacted that person uh he met
2:56:21with us he was represented by Council as
2:56:23well he gave statements he provided
2:56:25Financial records work
2:56:27schedules um I don't know that there was
2:56:29ever any overlap with respect to his
2:56:31shift or or uh or Lori uh Jackie rather
2:56:35Jackie shift at the poll um we also went
2:56:38as far as to interview I believe five of
2:56:41the six persons who resided at the
2:56:44fraternity that he was part of um all of
2:56:47them were Co operative as I recall and
2:56:49none of them had any information
2:56:51regarding a sexual assault that occurred
2:56:53at their house nor were they aware of
2:56:56Jackie as I recall in addition to the
2:56:58fact that the the layout of of their
2:57:01house is very different than what is
2:57:02described uh in the Rolling Stone
2:57:06article so that really is the extent of
2:57:10of this investigation and I apologize
2:57:12that it has taken as long as it has um
2:57:15unfortunately we're not able to conclude
2:57:18any to any substantive degree that an
2:57:21incident that is consistent with the
2:57:23facts contained in that article occurred
2:57:26at the F the Kappa fi fasai fraternity
2:57:30house or any other fraternity house for
2:57:32that matter I want to be clear about
2:57:34something that doesn't mean that
2:57:35something terrible did not happen to
2:57:38Jackie on the evening of September the
2:57:4028th
2:57:422012 we are just not able to gather
2:57:45sufficient facts to conclude what that
2:57:47something May have been so this case is
2:57:50not closed it's not closed by any
2:57:52stretch of the imagination it's
2:57:54suspended until such time as we are able
2:57:58to gather more information or such time
2:58:00till someone comes forward and provides
2:58:03us with more
2:58:04information there were also two other
2:58:06cases that were
2:58:08referenced uh in Jackie's conversations
2:58:11with Dean ramoo she referenced an
2:58:14allegation of a 2010 sexual assault
2:58:17which she said occurred at at that
2:58:19particular fraternity house and she she
2:58:22also uh alleged a 2014 sexual assault uh
2:58:26which he would say occurred at that
2:58:27fraternity house uh we have no evidence
2:58:31of that uh no one has come forward
2:58:33making such allegations no Witnesses no
2:58:35victims uh no evidence whatsoever to
2:58:38support that uh support those claims but
2:58:41we're asking if anyone has information
2:58:44related to a sexual assault that
2:58:45occurred in 2010
2:58:48at that fraternity house or 2014 at that
2:58:52fraternity house or any other fraternity
2:58:55house that they please cooperate with
2:58:58the police and and bring that to our
2:59:00attention and you know one last thing
2:59:02that I will say um that I've reiterated
2:59:05before since being called before the
2:59:07board of visitors to to have this
2:59:09important discussion um having police
2:59:12involvement at the very early stages of
2:59:15these investigations is extremely
2:59:17extreme
2:59:19important and as I said months ago and
2:59:21rep repeat now with every second of
2:59:23every minute of every hour of every day
2:59:26every week of every month of every year
2:59:29we lose evidence we lose testimonial
2:59:32evidence we lose physical evidence we
2:59:35lose forensic
2:59:37evidence we lose the evidence that's
2:59:39important to get to the truth behind
2:59:41these cases so that Justice can Prevail
2:59:44so we'll uh we'll answer your questions
2:59:46the best that we can
2:59:48um to the extent I can't answer the
2:59:50question I'll certainly let you know uh
2:59:52if it's outside my scope of knowledge
2:59:54that's why these fine gentlemen are here
2:59:56to the extent that they're able to
2:59:57cooperate with you we certainly will
3:00:00Chief yes sir as far as you can tell the
3:00:03allegations La out
3:00:05the asid out in the magazine were we
3:00:08have no way to support that we have no
3:00:10evidence that supports this those
3:00:12assertions
3:00:19we've had really our only um encounter
3:00:22with Jackie other than the telephone
3:00:25call and an email exchange is when she
3:00:27came in with Council in early December
3:00:30and that is our last physical encounter
3:00:32with her and any and all other
3:00:33information was shared through Council
3:00:35yes ma'am you say that she was
3:00:36cooperative in
3:00:38investigation well she did not provide
3:00:39us a statement and follow question after
3:00:43the article came out people were saying
3:00:45that there was a culture in the
3:00:48investigation was there anything to back
3:00:51us with respect to this investigation we
3:00:53could find no information that would
3:00:55corroborate such an assertion yes ma'am
3:00:57how much time and money did the charlott
3:00:59police department V to investigate this
3:01:03you know I have not made that
3:01:04determination a lot of time and energy
3:01:06went into to trying to to track down
3:01:08people um keeping in mind that that we
3:01:11had no way to compel cooperation so some
3:01:13of some of the time taken and invested
3:01:15was just trying to locate folks and get
3:01:17them in to to interview them yes
3:01:24ma'am DJ we did interview her yes was
3:01:28sheble to
3:01:31Cate yes she was able to provide us some
3:01:34very specific questions as a journalist
3:01:37I mean there's some things she just
3:01:38could not get into because of protecting
3:01:40her sources but um some of the stuff
3:01:44that was in the article we were able to
3:01:45actually uh go through and try to get in
3:01:47a little more detail than what was
3:01:49actually printed so yeah she was she was
3:01:51cooperative with us as best as she could
3:01:52be she seem to stand by the story when
3:01:54she speak you have to ask her that um
3:01:58you just clarify so it sounds like there
3:01:59had been a history of her chart saying
3:02:03that she had been assaulted there was
3:02:05one
3:02:07other no I think those were other
3:02:10alleged uh
3:02:12victims I thought when she was walking
3:02:14down the
3:02:15street let me clarify that thank you
3:02:18um the the second time she met with Dina
3:02:21ramoo in April of
3:02:232014 um she discussed a physical assault
3:02:27being struck with a bottle on April the
3:02:306th it's when she met with an officer
3:02:33regarding that incident that she also
3:02:35discloses to us for the first time the
3:02:38sexual assault that occurred in
3:02:402012 you had you had talked with her
3:02:44about a previous assault
3:02:48come to the police about an assault
3:02:51other than what was reported in that was
3:02:54the April the 6 assault with the bottle
3:02:56yes ma'am that's correct can you
3:02:57describe theone record that youed and
3:03:00how you I cannot yes sir you mentioned
3:03:02something about
3:03:052010 well my understanding is and DJ
3:03:07correct me if I'm wrong is that Jackie
3:03:09brought to Dean AR's attention an
3:03:11incident in 2010 and 2014 but no one has
3:03:14come forward to report those incidents
3:03:18because I'm didn't
3:03:22jaie I I don't know that she had actual
3:03:25knowledge of the event but had knowledge
3:03:26such that she was able to share it but
3:03:28they weren't incidents put in with
3:03:30herself that's correct they were not
3:03:31incidents that involved her thank you
3:03:33for that point of clarification yes
3:03:43ma'am
3:03:45inval inv B when you learned about it
3:03:50when we learned about
3:03:52it well first of all when the vi you
3:03:54mean are you're talking about in April
3:03:56and and May of
3:04:092014 she did not wish to pursue the
3:04:11criminal justice system as part of her
3:04:13options and she certainly had the the
3:04:15right to do that at that point did did
3:04:17she give a reason why or her attorney
3:04:19give a reason why she wasn't fully
3:04:20Cooperative this latest time I I don't
3:04:23recall that she did no the last contact
3:04:25we had with her was on December 10th and
3:04:27we were very distinctly and succinctly
3:04:30told that she would not talk to us that
3:04:32she would not file a report that she did
3:04:34not want to investigate and that we were
3:04:36not to talk to her again so that's I
3:04:39tell yes sir given what you've described
3:04:41the comprehensive thorough investigation
3:04:43The credibility issues uh reluctance of
3:04:47the indiv to pursue charges why aren't
3:04:48you closing the
3:04:50case because I can't prove that
3:04:52something didn't happen and there may
3:04:54come a point in time where uh either
3:04:56this Survivor or this complaining party
3:04:59this this this person we've identified
3:05:02as Jackie or someone else may not come
3:05:04forward with information that might help
3:05:06us move this investigation further I
3:05:08think it's a disservice to Jackie I
3:05:10think it's a disservice to uh frankly to
3:05:12the university to Simply close this
3:05:15without at least allowing an opportunity
3:05:17so that if additional information comes
3:05:19forward we'll able to further
3:05:20investigate it how long do you keep it
3:05:23open there's no statute limitations on
3:05:26this particular type of crime yes sir
3:05:29after Jackie Virginia May 201 was there
3:05:32any communication univille
3:05:36police what you talked and was there not
3:05:40was there any
3:05:42information we first learned of this
3:05:45incident in April of 2014
3:05:48and did the univ expain why
3:05:54not you know I think that's a question
3:05:56best asked to the university and it's
3:05:57part of the larger discussion of how
3:05:59universities uh the process that
3:06:01universities will go through as we move
3:06:03forward the protocols to uh to report
3:06:06this kind of information to the police
3:06:07and how that will be reported I learned
3:06:09a lot about federal law that I didn't
3:06:11know much about prior to this that that
3:06:13really is somewhat restrictive uh in how
3:06:17univers ities share certain types of
3:06:19information with law enforcement um and
3:06:22so hopefully as we move forward we'll
3:06:24we'll get to work through some of those
3:06:26laws as well so they don't create I
3:06:29think the unforeseen consequence of
3:06:31being an obstruction to a criminal
3:06:33investigation yes sir CL Jackie is
3:06:36not absolutely not yes sir legislation
3:06:40aded by the assembly this year how will
3:06:42that affect your ability to investiga
3:06:44you know I'm embarrassed to say I
3:06:46haven't fully reviewed the the legis
3:06:48so I can't competently answer that
3:06:50question yes ma'am can you tell us how
3:06:52many roughly how many people you spoke
3:06:53to in the of this investigation was it
3:06:55dozens or
3:06:57DJ around 70 and chief could you say in
3:07:01the field of law enfor has anyone come
3:07:04up with any data as to how prevalent
3:07:06false claims of R are this country not
3:07:09that I'm aware of no ma'am yes sir would
3:07:12it be to hundreds of
3:07:14hours investigation ofs SP thousands I
3:07:19don't know that I'd say thousands but
3:07:21certainly hundreds thousand hundreds of
3:07:23hours and and secondly Chief do you
3:07:24think female students are more or less
3:07:27likely to come forward with an
3:07:29accusation of sexual assault in the wake
3:07:31of this article and the subsequent de
3:07:34you know I I'm not competent to answer
3:07:36that question but I would hope that
3:07:40um survivors in our community women and
3:07:44sometimes men that fall victim to these
3:07:46crimes will they have a right to
3:07:49exercise their options that they have a
3:07:51right to choose whether or not to
3:07:52involve the criminal justice system they
3:07:54have that absolute right my concern is
3:07:57that as they're walked through those
3:07:59options that they make an informed
3:08:01decision that they know as as time goes
3:08:04on that if they at some point in time
3:08:06choose the criminal justice system as
3:08:08their remedy it becomes more difficult
3:08:11with the passage of time for all the
3:08:13reasons that I that I stated before we
3:08:15really lose critical pieces of evidence
3:08:17at time passes but my concern is to make
3:08:20sure um regardless of whether the system
3:08:23changes or it doesn't is that when a
3:08:25Survivor uh is being provided a service
3:08:28either from the University or to a
3:08:30health care provider and they're given
3:08:32those options that they're allowed to
3:08:34make an informed decision and that the
3:08:36criminal justice processes is Thoroughly
3:08:40explained uh the victim witness services
3:08:42that come with that process are critical
3:08:44in helping survivors get through what is
3:08:47really really a difficult time when
3:08:48you're particularly when you're involved
3:08:49in potential litigation and just because
3:08:52a Survivor would choose the criminal
3:08:53justice process by allowing us to begin
3:08:55an investigation doesn't mean they're
3:08:58compelled to to take the matter to trial
3:09:00and so all those things need to really
3:09:02be outlined so that a Survivor makes
3:09:04what I think is an informed decision yes
3:09:07ma'am based
3:09:10intervest that perhaps something
3:09:13traumatic sexual assault or rap OCC
3:09:17we certainly can't say that something
3:09:19didn't happen uh even her her friends
3:09:22that she met with um that I guess that
3:09:25the early morning would say something
3:09:27happened um but no evidence toest no
3:09:30evidence to support it she returned as a
3:09:33student I don't know the answer to that
3:09:34question ma'am yes sir so sir after your
3:09:37comprehensive investigation that a cloud
3:09:38continues to hang over this return again
3:09:41correct well we have no basis to
3:09:43conclude that anything happened to that
3:09:44fraternity house
3:09:48why why don't you clear can't you say
3:09:50assertively whether I I I think I just
3:09:53did yes ma'am a question for the
3:09:59inv I'm
3:10:03sorry do I believe the story I think
3:10:05based on the the information we have the
3:10:08evidence that we've obtained and the
3:10:11statements from the witnesses as it's
3:10:14written in the story no I don't I think
3:10:17it's like Chief Longo said something may
3:10:20have happened we don't know until we
3:10:22talk to her and she wants to come
3:10:23forward and she's in a place where she
3:10:25feels comfortable to come forward we
3:10:27won't know what happened to her I think
3:10:29it I'll get R to you I think it's also
3:10:31important just to reiterate
3:10:33that what Jackie is stated to Dean
3:10:38raml and what she later states to her
3:10:41friends that she meets with immediately
3:10:43thereafter she describes a a sexual act
3:10:47act that is inconsistent with the
3:10:50material that's provided in that article
3:10:52yes sir has been mentioned several times
3:10:55mentioned how would you your
3:11:00investigation hand well I'm not going to
3:11:03characterize I think it would be unfair
3:11:05Reckless and irresponsible for me to do
3:11:07so I will tell you that the University
3:11:08of Virginia has brought together a a Cod
3:11:11of Professionals in this area to look at
3:11:14their processes and their protocols I
3:11:16think Dina Ramo handled this in
3:11:18accordance with policy that existed at
3:11:20the time now the we could debate whether
3:11:23that policy consistent at the time was a
3:11:25good or bad policy that's not my place
3:11:27that's the place of the good people that
3:11:29have been hired to look at the
3:11:30University to help them walk through
3:11:31that yes ma'am false reporting of rape
3:11:35is heart-wrenching for victims who not
3:11:36have to worry about being being looked
3:11:38at as a liar it's it angers people
3:11:41who've been falsely accused can you give
3:11:43us any of your personal feelings about
3:11:45seeing this to ation which is so painful
3:11:49for so many people well I think we need
3:11:51to be careful um there's a difference
3:11:54between a false
3:11:55allegation uh and something that
3:11:58happened that may be different than has
3:12:00been reported in that article I I I I'm
3:12:03not I'm not in a position where I can
3:12:05say based on all the evidence we we uh
3:12:08We've developed that something terrible
3:12:10didn't happen to that young lady that
3:12:12night all I can tell you is there is no
3:12:15substantive basis to conclude
3:12:17what is described in that article
3:12:19happened that night yes
3:12:24ma'am not from the police department man
3:12:27yes sir uh how's the investigation of
3:12:30the vandalism of theat house that's
3:12:33still that's still being pursued yes
3:12:35ma'am I
3:12:47I won't go in detail as to what the
3:12:49sexual act that was disclosed was I
3:12:52think that would be inappropriate I will
3:12:53tell you that it's wholly inconsistent
3:12:56with the sexual act that is described in
3:12:58that
3:13:00article yes ma'am I'm sorry you talk
3:13:02about these victims when they come
3:13:04forward through the university system
3:13:06needing informed consent making sure
3:13:08that they know their options and they
3:13:10know how important it is to bring these
3:13:11cases to you urgently because time is a
3:13:13factor the way you were saying it made
3:13:16it you think the current University
3:13:18system maybe not just UA but across the
3:13:20country isn't sufficient in giving those
3:13:23well I'm not part of that process so it
3:13:26would be inappropriate for me to
3:13:28evaluate a process that I'm not part of
3:13:30I will tell you that as a law
3:13:32enforcement official and this is not a
3:13:35statement directed at our
3:13:37University it's a broader question as to
3:13:39how as you've said it's handled at
3:13:41universities across the country um I
3:13:44think I need to be sure I need to be
3:13:46need to be demonstrated to me that when
3:13:48that process when that when the Survivor
3:13:50is walked through that process okay here
3:13:53are your options you can do nothing um
3:13:56we can help you with medical treatment
3:13:58and uh psychological uh counseling and
3:14:01other resources to get you through this
3:14:03difficult time you can use the
3:14:05administrative process within the
3:14:06university but then there's this other
3:14:09process within the criminal justice
3:14:10system I I would want to make sure that
3:14:12when they get to that process not that
3:14:14the other processes aren't important
3:14:15they're hugely important support for the
3:14:17Survivor first and foremost that's
3:14:19hugely important that once they're in a
3:14:22position to to listen and to think
3:14:24through the next series of options I
3:14:27would want them to to to really have the
3:14:29opportunity to hear how time can damage
3:14:34our ability to gather evidence and from
3:14:36a law enforcement perspective do you not
3:14:37feel like you're getting that youal
3:14:39these cases you feel like wish was more
3:14:41of a push I would like to get the
3:14:44information as quickly as I possibly can
3:14:46get it and and and have in place a
3:14:48mechanism that allows for that to take
3:14:50place but look this is a this is a a
3:14:53discussion that that that legislator are
3:14:55happen having across the country and as
3:14:58has been mentioned um there's
3:14:59legislation uh before the governor now
3:15:01that that may address some of these
3:15:03issues there's uh a real hard look uh at
3:15:06the University's protocols that might
3:15:08address some of these issues and I'm
3:15:10willing to give it the opportunity to
3:15:12let all those things happen and be part
3:15:14and really be part of of implementing
3:15:16what some of the good Solutions are yes
3:15:21ma'am I can't answer that question yes
3:15:33ma'am you know we haven't looked at the
3:15:35reporting numbers that's certainly
3:15:36something we we can do and get back to
3:15:38you on yes sir
3:15:47St how
3:15:49would
3:15:54stud um you know I I had the the
3:15:58opportunity the privilege of meeting
3:15:59with students on Friday afternoon
3:16:01perhaps you you might have been there um
3:16:04and and I made a statement in the
3:16:05beginning and I I meant that statement
3:16:07from my heart um these students have
3:16:09been through as you've indicated so much
3:16:11in the last seven months in the last
3:16:14seven months their University and our
3:16:16community has been been on a national
3:16:17stage three times but they keep getting
3:16:20up right they they they keep getting up
3:16:23they dust themselves off and and they
3:16:25continue to move forward and I hope that
3:16:28continues to happen and we're committed
3:16:31this Police Department's committed and I
3:16:32hope this entire Community is committed
3:16:34to helping them do that this is a great
3:16:37community and that's an outstanding
3:16:38University and like every other place in
3:16:40the world it's got its issues just like
3:16:42our neighbors neighborhoods and
3:16:44communities have its issues it's
3:16:46identifying those issues and
3:16:47collaborating to work Beyond those
3:16:49issues and come up with solutions that I
3:16:51think are so important and um we're
3:16:53going to continue to do that we're going
3:16:54to continue to continue to stand by
3:16:56these students because they deserve
3:17:03that that very well may may be a a
3:17:06result that that is a discussion that
3:17:08we've had it's a discussion that I know
3:17:09that others have had in our community
3:17:11and we certainly do not want to
3:17:14undertake a process that is going to
3:17:16have a chilling effect on someone coming
3:17:18forward and seeking resources to help
3:17:21them through a really difficult time in
3:17:22their lives I appreciate your time and I
3:17:25appreciate your patience and uh you have
3:17:27one more question and then just name
3:17:31okay I got one PA
3:17:35Department not that I'm aware of and now
3:17:38so so that we're clear we would before
3:17:40we would ever undertake that we would
3:17:43certainly sit down with our Commonwealth
3:17:45Attorney I would never place a charge
3:17:47such as that without uh a comfortable
3:17:49sense that our Commonwealth Attorney
3:17:51would pursue it uh he ultimately is the
3:17:53prosecuting Authority for our city and
3:17:56if I'm going to place a place a charge
3:17:57of that magnitude I'm going to make sure
3:17:59that the Commonwealth Attorney supports
3:18:00that charge feels as though he can
3:18:02prosecute that charge and has a desire
3:18:04to prosecute that
3:18:05charge because one could argue too that
3:18:08that could have a chilling effect um on
3:18:11a reporting process and so I would want
3:18:12to be really sensitive before I would do
3:18:15something like that to make sure that I
3:18:17was thinking it through and I was
3:18:18thinking it through with with someone
3:18:19with his depth of knowledge and and
3:18:21again he's the prosecuting Authority
3:18:23thank you all for your time have a great
3:18:25afternoon the you
3:18:27mentioned uh it'll be coming to you uh
3:18:30from Miriam dickler probably within the
3:18:31next hour
3:18:35yes yes all right we're back and for
3:18:37those of you who let's lower it
3:18:40slightly uh for those of you who were
3:18:44confused I know a lot of you are like
3:18:45what are they talking about maybe they
3:18:46don't the whole story with that UVA case
3:18:48so there was this whole sort of expose
3:18:50in Rolling Stone where this journalist
3:18:52interviewed this girl named Jackie or
3:18:54who someone who was referred to as
3:18:56Jackie who came out and shared her story
3:18:59about being gang raped by uh members of
3:19:03this fraternity at UVA yeah it was
3:19:05shocking and it was so controversial it
3:19:07was shared everywhere people were just
3:19:08upset right well then it turns out that
3:19:12this journalist didn't effectively get
3:19:16all sides of the
3:19:17story then further investigation
3:19:19revealed from you know talking to
3:19:21various people that Jackie perhaps
3:19:25fabricated some of her
3:19:26story and here we are now police coming
3:19:29out and addressing those allegations
3:19:31this is months and months ago it was
3:19:33this was this coincides with the fact
3:19:35that that um uh that Rolling Stone
3:19:40wanted an
3:19:42investigation because I think the powers
3:19:44that be at Rolling Stone felt like they
3:19:46kind of got hooked wined right
3:19:47absolutely for their brand absolutely
3:19:51and I mean within if I recall when this
3:19:53piece came out within about 48 hours
3:19:55there were questions about it because
3:19:57all around campus people there was
3:19:59nobody who seemed to
3:20:00know anything about it and it just
3:20:03seemed like if something of to that
3:20:05level was going on that people would
3:20:08know about it and so it's a black eye
3:20:11for uh the reporting business it's a
3:20:13black eye for Rolling Stone and
3:20:17um it was a black eye for this campus
3:20:20and it looks like they've uh you know
3:20:22they've they've come up with the truth
3:20:24now that it was made up so yeah wasn't
3:20:27there UVA just in the news again oh
3:20:30right with the with the racism
3:20:33allegations with that student oh right
3:20:36right when I first heard UVA press
3:20:37conference for a while I thought it was
3:20:38the story we were covering of last week
3:20:40where the student got into the
3:20:41altercation with police because we were
3:20:43covering that a lot last week and now
3:20:45here we are with a different story and
3:20:46there was also the story of a co-ed who
3:20:48was found murdered u a little bit off
3:20:51the UVA campus and they came up with a
3:20:54surveillance video of a guy who was like
3:20:56stalking her walking out of a bar right
3:20:59after that was hug trailing her Hannah
3:21:02Graham is that her name it might have
3:21:04been yeah I think that I mean I remember
3:21:06that story when she was missing yeah
3:21:08Hannah Graham so and that was UVA
3:21:10student right UA has been in the
3:21:12headlines a lot right now that story
3:21:14obviously for all the wrong reasons
3:21:17we have rape and we have alleged police
3:21:19misconduct or you
3:21:22know that's that's a bad
3:21:25so and one of the top 25 universities in
3:21:28the country though sure and I mean it's
3:21:30not it's not in any kind of major metro
3:21:32area it's in Charlottesville it's not a
3:21:35huge City at all yeah I mean I we when I
3:21:39was on vacation and drove through
3:21:40Charlottesville I don't I I had a hard
3:21:43time even finding the campus cuz we I
3:21:46was on way to go see Thomas Jefferson's
3:21:48house which is on the hill up above
3:21:49campus that must have been cool yeah
3:21:52well did I told you that whole story how
3:21:53it's on the back of a nickel remember
3:21:55right right you did tell me by the way I
3:21:56know you're doing the noon uh we only
3:21:58have 20 minutes left or probably like 15
3:22:00by the time you have to leave did we
3:22:01find out that we got the a to show
3:22:02people these uh story oh I love it you
3:22:05guys are going to flip over this story
3:22:06if you haven't heard it yet I have a few
3:22:07things I have something called hunor
3:22:09heartwalk oh great and I have cop helps
3:22:13marathoner V vo and St okay so where do
3:22:16you want to start well let's start with
3:22:17a cop helps Marathon because just as a
3:22:19little bit of background for you guys
3:22:21this go we go to Louisville Kentucky and
3:22:23there's a woman named Asia Ford who came
3:22:25in almost dead last in this race right
3:22:28so this happens in Louisville every year
3:22:30it's called the road City run and she
3:22:33had um decided that she was you take a
3:22:37look right see that picture with her in
3:22:39that officer oh wow now so she's kind of
3:22:42heavy set but I'm telling you she's
3:22:44already lost 25 lbs
3:22:47and so she had set as a goal in the
3:22:49process of losing weight I'm going to
3:22:50run this race and so but the officer
3:22:54could see that she was in distress about
3:22:564 miles in it was a 10K so 6.1 miles so
3:23:00about 2/3 of the way through I don't
3:23:01know if he's right along the Route or
3:23:03what but he says I got to help her out
3:23:05so he starts walking along with her and
3:23:08she's determined to finish and somebody
3:23:11took this picture as she's approaching
3:23:13the finish line and it's just it's a
3:23:15really cool story of a big-hearted cop
3:23:18who helps a woman who now her name is
3:23:20Asia Ford and she says quote she went on
3:23:24Facebook and thanked him and said that
3:23:25she quote messed up and forgot to
3:23:28eat this morning before she goes and
3:23:30runs the race oh my God we everybody
3:23:32knows you're supposed to car blo
3:23:34sometimes I forget to eat before the
3:23:35show but this is nothing compared to
3:23:37that I no I know I mean you're not
3:23:39burning the kind of calorie she is I
3:23:40mean talking Burns and not that kind of
3:23:43the day they had to run and go get you
3:23:44salmon off of the cooking of set and
3:23:46your whole diet was Starbucks and salmon
3:23:48I was worried about you well right now
3:23:49my diet is iced coffee from Chick-fil-A
3:23:52good you are so on board with
3:23:53Chick-fil-A I love well it was my only
3:23:55option because I knew today was also
3:23:56going to be a busy morning and if I
3:23:57didn't eat even a little bit yeah it's
3:23:59going to be a rough morning I'm already
3:24:00starving right now oh I don't 4 hours
3:24:03ago in the car o yeah I got my
3:24:07Chick-fil-A about 7:20 this morning okay
3:24:09that's good that's a good biscuit okay
3:24:11so anyway so she had her Mac she was 475
3:24:15lb she's gradually been losing weight I
3:24:17think she's lost about 25 lbs maybe a
3:24:19little more so she starts working out
3:24:21and the problem was she didn't eat she's
3:24:23four miles in she says I start feeling
3:24:25sick right about that moment as she's
3:24:27feeling sick uh this officer's like she
3:24:30probably watching and seeing she's woozy
3:24:33you know because I've run two half
3:24:35marathons and I can just tell you you
3:24:38get to the point at about mile number
3:24:40eight in fact here's what I remember
3:24:42about running the half marathon we had
3:24:45run for 20 minutes and we came right by
3:24:47the station here right and so we go
3:24:49right up 7th Avenue right by the studios
3:24:51so we're downtown here at the state
3:24:53capital we go up 7th Avenue and we turn
3:24:56on to McDow so I've already run from the
3:24:58state capital here to Fox 10 all the way
3:25:01up to McDow right where 7th app where
3:25:03all those restaurants are and we turn
3:25:04the corner and I'm thinking okay I've
3:25:05already run for 20 minutes and I look
3:25:08ahead straight down McDow into the Sun
3:25:10and I think I've got two more
3:25:13hours of running still to go let's see
3:25:16look at your face tells it all I
3:25:18couldn't run for like 10 minutes oh my
3:25:20God I would walk the whole thing yeah
3:25:22well so she did walk the thing but she
3:25:23said I am determined to finish and I
3:25:26think if this particular officer hadn't
3:25:27been been there so she writes and she
3:25:29says she calls her see he's my angel I
3:25:32want to thank my angel should we play
3:25:34this s the interview I I think so you're
3:25:36going to hear from the officer I think
3:25:38you get to hear from her briefly but the
3:25:40officer just talks about kind of the
3:25:43emotion uh that he felt of being able to
3:25:45help her reach
3:25:46it's pretty listen when I watched her
3:25:50approach and I started to hear the
3:25:52people scream and I let her go right
3:25:54there before the end and watched her
3:25:55raise her
3:25:57hands there aren't words there just
3:25:59aren't words to the way I felt Ser yet
3:26:02it was a really special
3:26:07moment really special moment a that was
3:26:13sweet so anyway so this is in Louisville
3:26:17and um he oh he was The Incident
3:26:20Commander for the whole run so he was
3:26:22kind of in charge and he was at the back
3:26:24of the race along with an ambulance
3:26:26that's such a good Racers were starting
3:26:27to come by it's such a
3:26:29great it's such a good story and not to
3:26:32like make it controversial or anything
3:26:35but in a you know in a scenario right
3:26:37now where so many people are angry
3:26:39especially in terms of white black
3:26:42relations this is an amazing photo to
3:26:45look at where it's like you have white
3:26:46officer pumping this woman cross the
3:26:49finish line and they're
3:26:52just it's an amazing story and I feel
3:26:54like we need to show more of this on the
3:26:57news as opposed to all the you know UVA
3:27:01assaults and F you know what I
3:27:03mean I totally agree with you such a
3:27:06great photo in fact if you saw what I
3:27:07posted on Facebook yesterday I said man
3:27:10maybe this can transition into this
3:27:11other story of the heartwalk I said look
3:27:14I know we cover lots of bad news every
3:27:16day in fact we've got another story
3:27:18about an unbelievable full-on brawl in
3:27:22the parking lot of a Walmart here in
3:27:24Arizona that is ridiculous from the
3:27:27weekend where one guy got shot and and
3:27:30was killed a police officer got shot
3:27:31he's going to be okay but I mean every
3:27:33day there's just so much violence out
3:27:35there to report but I said the real
3:27:37story of life here in the valley is when
3:27:40you when when I showed up to this
3:27:42heartwalk and I look out over this sea
3:27:45of people this weekend and they moved it
3:27:47in recent years down to the Arizona
3:27:48State Capital and you can't you really
3:27:50you look in it's hard to even see the
3:27:52end of where the crowd inss cuz you have
3:27:5618,000 people crazy and um so and I just
3:28:01said that's the real story the real
3:28:03story is that this town is full of
3:28:05people who care about their neighbors
3:28:07care about their family and um and it
3:28:10was really really great so do you have
3:28:11that do you have the H I do have Huna
3:28:13heartwalk let's play that let's pull
3:28:15that up
3:28:19well there's the start
3:28:20[Music]
3:28:24line how many people were out
3:28:2718,000 wow it was such a great turnout
3:28:30this is the what street is this that's
3:28:33Washington 12th Avenue 12th Avenue yeah
3:28:35that's 16th Avenue 16 okay I was trying
3:28:37to figure that out at Washington was
3:28:39this very Street our Studios on just
3:28:40about a mile down the road mhm and it
3:28:44was just so much fun
3:28:46and it was such a great time and I don't
3:28:48know the amount of money that was raised
3:28:49but I can tell you it was a
3:28:51lot and see everybody comes out and
3:28:54their colored shirts because they're
3:28:56supporting in a lot of cases they've
3:28:58lost a family member to a heart attack
3:29:01wow and they say you know we're going to
3:29:03take steps so that it doesn't happen to
3:29:05more families that
3:29:07kind so that's be in a bonnet but there
3:29:11are even little ones you know who have
3:29:12was red the official color or I guess
3:29:15everyone teams I guess wearing different
3:29:17colors they asked me to wear red so a
3:29:19lot of times it is wear red for heart
3:29:21month you know so let me just show you
3:29:23this picture to our audience this this I
3:29:25think is so cool okay so it's just about
3:29:28time to go on the air there's me wearing
3:29:30my red and I I'm like okay so we got to
3:29:33find we got to put somebody on TV who
3:29:35can I put on TV and I turn around and
3:29:36here's this whole group of looks like uh
3:29:39you know about 10 family members Al
3:29:42together wearing their orange and they
3:29:44have these t-shirts that say we're with
3:29:46Team Emma so I say well who is Emma and
3:29:49Emma I think I can get you a clearer
3:29:51shot here let me see if I can pull it up
3:29:53Emma is the girl who you saw right there
3:29:57in the middle see this is no I'm going
3:30:00to get you a really good shot of of Emma
3:30:04because um here yeah now we can zoom in
3:30:08and you can actually see her smile she's
3:30:10so adorable okay so there's Emma and
3:30:14she um
3:30:17had a
3:30:18stroke and
3:30:21her she has um something on her arm so I
3:30:26think that she has a little bit of
3:30:27limited Mobility with her arm look at
3:30:29her
3:30:30smile look at her you know and she was
3:30:33just so infectious you just couldn't
3:30:35help but love her and her family and so
3:30:38you know there's one family that gets
3:30:41together and says well we're just going
3:30:42to get out there and we're going to
3:30:43support everybody at this heartwalk oh
3:30:46fantastic okay so they raised 1.3
3:30:50million almost 1.4 wow and Fox 10 we're
3:30:54the we're the primary sponsor of it and
3:30:57I we were just you know we were really
3:30:58proud to be part of it and it was just
3:31:00such a great group I was trying to get
3:31:02pictures saw so I could show you give
3:31:04you a feel
3:31:06for the
3:31:08crowd
3:31:10and like here that's down there kind of
3:31:13by the state capital complex
3:31:17and it just sort of winds around and
3:31:18goes there forever I'm like stand still
3:31:21so I can get your picture right and post
3:31:23it on social media um show it sideways
3:31:27show that crowd sideways okay go back
3:31:31well here look I took a I took a Pano oh
3:31:34that's good that's a good shot all right
3:31:36see if I could use the new iPad I would
3:31:38show that yeah you know that so I'm
3:31:41shooting right in the Sun so it's a
3:31:42little bit hard to see but if I if I
3:31:44were to zoom in you could just see it's
3:31:46just a sea of people that goes all the
3:31:47way back so anyway it was really cool we
3:31:49raised a lot of money but the best shot
3:31:51that I took was of this cartoon
3:31:53character guy named
3:31:55sporticus sporticus
3:31:57sporticus who um did a did a backflip
3:32:02live in front of the crowd and I just
3:32:04happen to catch him midair that's him
3:32:08upside down I feel like I'm one of those
3:32:09photographers for Sports Illustrated or
3:32:12something that's him perfectly in the
3:32:14180 de
3:32:17position staring right at me that's
3:32:19crazy yeah that's nuts that was nuts
3:32:22that sounds fun though you had a good
3:32:24weekend yeah so it was really great and
3:32:27just met a lot of really great people
3:32:29that's so cool I love this picture let
3:32:31me see if I can find this one other
3:32:32picture our photographer Tom Fergus was
3:32:34out there I know this will be on
3:32:36Instagram we hope you come follow us on
3:32:38Instagram because we get a lot of really
3:32:41great pictures on Insta look at this
3:32:43picture that Tom took of me just mcing
3:32:46and there's the crowd and there's the
3:32:48flag waving in the
3:32:53breeze that a great shot so anyway that
3:32:57was one of that was the big thing going
3:32:58on here in Phoenix this weekend that is
3:33:01for
3:33:02sure so you know the other thing I
3:33:04wanted to mention to you the the crazy
3:33:07negative story not negative the bra I
3:33:10know you want to talk about
3:33:11that I want to talk about the high tide
3:33:14but we probably should talk about the
3:33:15cotton braw cuz we've got the package
3:33:17right I have actually the the video I
3:33:18don't have let me do the setup and then
3:33:20I'm afraid I have to leave cuz I got to
3:33:21go get ready for the newon broadcast but
3:33:24and I don't know how much of this is in
3:33:26the package cuz we've been learning more
3:33:27about it here but apparently this is all
3:33:30one huge family and they have been
3:33:33living in the parking lot now I think
3:33:34Walmart lets you if you have an RV or
3:33:37something live in the parking lot not
3:33:39live but if you want to camp out for a
3:33:40day or two kind of a thing I I believe
3:33:43so that's an interesting because
3:33:46um here's the part of the story there
3:33:49was a guy who was also camped out that
3:33:53night who remembers looking out of his
3:33:54RV window mhm and he said the sound of
3:33:59gunfire woke him up he's the middle of
3:34:01the night he's up in beautiful
3:34:02Cottonwood which you've been up through
3:34:04that area cuz it's uh it's on the way to
3:34:07Jerome okay right so it's up there by
3:34:09montazuma castle and everything so he's
3:34:12he looks out his window of his RV and he
3:34:13sees he hears people screaming sees
3:34:16people running around in the parking lot
3:34:18guns going off people firing guns he's
3:34:20trying to figure out what's going on
3:34:22well this was the end result apparently
3:34:24of this entire family that was living
3:34:26out of an SUV for days in the parking
3:34:29lot so I think they were taking
3:34:31advantage of Walmart's good um
3:34:34hospitality and then this happened in
3:34:37fact they went inside and they're in the
3:34:39bathroom for who knows how long you know
3:34:41they're probably treating it as their
3:34:42own personal restroom facility
3:34:46and so uh a a clerk goes in there and
3:34:48they start shoving her like get out of
3:34:50our way lady so it quickly escalates the
3:34:54police are
3:34:55called shots are fired at the police
3:34:58they take a cover and aim at these guys
3:35:01and one of them's dead and a bunch of
3:35:03them are under arrest so there's there
3:35:05it is in a nutshell and it happened in
3:35:07Cottonwood which is really a beautiful
3:35:09town it's right in the shadow of in fact
3:35:11the first shot of the Walmart you can
3:35:13see the mountains in the background you
3:35:14can tell how beautiful it is that's
3:35:15Mingus Mountain so I mean it's a
3:35:18beautiful area and it's a small enough
3:35:20town that we don't see this kind of
3:35:21trouble it's almost sounds like
3:35:23something you'd hear more in the Phoenix
3:35:24area but let's watch here we go here's
3:35:27Jessica's
3:35:29story a deadly brawl at this Cottonwood
3:35:32Walmart breaking out in the parking lot
3:35:35investigators say the fight between
3:35:36eight officers and nine suspects ended
3:35:39late last night with one of those
3:35:41suspects shot and killed in front of the
3:35:42store another Suspect with a gunshot
3:35:45wound to his abdomen and an officer shot
3:35:47in the leg I'm just it's hard to believe
3:35:49that that
3:35:51happened um here in Cottonwood con's a
3:35:54quiet Town yes it is investigators say
3:35:57the suspects attacked a Walmart employee
3:35:59inside the store as police arrived on
3:36:02scene the suspects allegedly ambushed
3:36:04the officers Iona Clark says her husband
3:36:07was inside the store when the fight
3:36:08broke out your husband works here and
3:36:10what did he say to
3:36:12you he said there was action down here
3:36:14La last night that Walmart got shut down
3:36:16no one could come and go inside they got
3:36:18locked in and the parking lot was shut
3:36:20down no one could come and go either two
3:36:22suspects shot one died the remaining
3:36:24seven suspects taken into custody
3:36:27detectives say the group are members of
3:36:29the same family though officers haven't
3:36:31been able to identify them these
3:36:34suspects we're not going to release
3:36:35names tonight because we don't know who
3:36:37they are they are not cooperating with
3:36:40us I can tell you that uh I guess there
3:36:43were nine of them uh mostly male but
3:36:46there were two females he said he seen
3:36:48these guys outside for 3
3:36:50Days hanging around so I don't know what
3:36:52the purpose was the injured officer is
3:36:5431 years old and has been with the
3:36:56Cottonwood Police Department for 10
3:36:58years he is expected to make a full
3:37:02recovery a deadly brawl at this
3:37:04Cottonwood all right guys that was uh
3:37:07the story that Jessica did yesterday
3:37:09about this uh crazy brawl um real quick
3:37:14as you can see Ron had to leave he is
3:37:17anchoring the noon show uh here at Fox
3:37:2110 so he cannot chat with us any longer
3:37:24but I do have a couple other stories
3:37:25that I want to get to uh for those of
3:37:27you who missed a lot of our coverage
3:37:28this morning and I just want to recap uh
3:37:30we did uh extensively cover uh the
3:37:33Deborah milky case well I guess there's
3:37:35no case anymore because it's been
3:37:37dismissed Deborah milky is a free woman
3:37:39uh we are going to hear more on the
3:37:42story uh tomorrow they're holding a
3:37:43press conference at 11:30 debor was the
3:37:46woman that was on a death row for 23
3:37:49years uh found guilty in the murder of
3:37:53her 4-year-old son in 1989 it turns out
3:37:56there was a lot of uh police detective
3:37:58misconduct and that misconduct was so
3:38:01severe that they threw out her
3:38:02conviction altogether and uh Deborah
3:38:05milky is now a free woman she did sort
3:38:08of speak outside Court uh we have the
3:38:10video of her leaving court and uh you
3:38:12can see reporters ambushing her trying
3:38:15to get some questions and answers and uh
3:38:17this is some video that we shot earlier
3:38:18this morning so oh in case you missed it
3:38:22um this is from just a few hours ago how
3:38:26do you feel right now tell us about it I
3:38:28I feel good right now I do what tell me
3:38:32your reaction back off back off can you
3:38:35tell us your
3:38:36reaction I have more to say tomorrow
3:38:39anything you can say to us today I feel
3:38:41good you feel Vindicated now I I will
3:38:44say more tomorrow why
3:38:57tomorrow what are your plans
3:39:00now I'm I'm not saying anymore I have a
3:39:04press conference tomorrow your reaction
3:39:06Mike oh it's wonderful
3:39:09day this is it's unbelievable I don't
3:39:13want to hurt anybody here sorry again
3:39:15we're thrilled and relieved what's the
3:39:17next step tell us about this case
3:39:19against prosecutors a civil lawsuit why
3:39:21you feel M that this needs to be
3:39:23rectified I'm not involved in the civil
3:39:25suit Mike is so Mike talk to us about
3:39:28that please well probably should have
3:39:29the lead civil attorneys that are going
3:39:31to be involved in that case we make
3:39:32statements about it but obviously it's
3:39:34been filed because there's a statute of
3:39:36limitations issue that was facing in it
3:39:38I think the complaint that was filed
3:39:40speaks for itself so it will go on from
3:39:42there but probably the civil attorneys
3:39:44who are will be people you'll really
3:39:46need to have address all of the issues
3:39:48in that case and de what are you going
3:39:49to do now with the case dismissed people
3:39:52there's still a lot of people think that
3:39:53you were responsible for the killing of
3:39:55your son anything you can say about
3:39:58that we'll address everything to
3:40:21what was it like getting
3:40:25that bre fresh air I've been breathing
3:40:28fresh air for a very long time anything
3:40:31you going to do right now to
3:40:33celebrate no not right now in a
3:40:38bit thank you very was like to see
3:40:40Stephanie
3:40:43today she said she wasn't able to see
3:40:45you for for quite a while because of the
3:40:47arrangements and things what did you say
3:40:49to on the hallway
3:41:20what do you
3:41:22think we're having a press conference
3:41:24tomorrow and I will adress Mike
3:41:26apparently you're having a news
3:41:27conference tomorrow we are 1:30 we're
3:41:30going to have a news conference try to
3:41:31answer everything's questions at that
3:41:33time it's just hard right now I'm sorry
3:41:35about that you know then you got beig
3:41:37all times when I got a broken
3:41:39[Laughter]
3:41:42foot we'll see you tomorrow at your
3:41:44office okay well it won't be at our
3:41:46office it's going to be over at Lor's
3:41:49office and there's a building there uh
3:41:52in the above the parking garage a little
3:41:55overwhelmed I feel um CED right now
3:42:00excuse
3:42:05us a long long journey with so many ups
3:42:08and downs it's really hard to believe
3:42:10that it's finally happened that all of a
3:42:13sudden she's totally EXO ated that you
3:42:17know that here is a woman that suffered
3:42:19for years
3:42:21that maliciously was prosecuted she was
3:42:25innocent uh it was all based upon a
3:42:28police officer that just totally lied
3:42:31and to see her free today and totally
3:42:34free and
3:42:35exonerated uh it it's an unbelievable
3:42:38feeling just unbelievable here's our
3:42:41ride okay and I have to take my little
3:42:44part apart so going to be a little
3:43:07tricky from here I'm
3:43:10fine you shouldn't you should be younger
3:43:12to have that kind of I know that Sports
3:43:15Injury that's right thank
3:43:39you action how do you feel right now
3:43:42okay guys so you just watched video that
3:43:44we taped earlier this morning uh we
3:43:46aired that live here on news now I think
3:43:48that was around 9 uh 9:30 this morning
3:43:51somewhere around there 9:15 uh because
3:43:54Deborah milky's case wrapped up in court
3:43:57at 8:32 according to Steve craft they
3:43:59weren't at 8:30 they were done by 8:32
3:44:02and uh they just waited outside for her
3:44:04to leave the courtroom and that is a
3:44:06video that we had live for you on here
3:44:08here on news now we just replayed it for
3:44:09you in case you missed it and again uh
3:44:12tomorrow 11:30 they will be holding a
3:44:14press conference will be carrying it
3:44:15here live a news now that's 11:30
3:44:18Pacific Standard time uh there will hear
3:44:20uh Deborah milky side of the story I'm
3:44:23sure she'll be asked a lot of questions
3:44:24from the Press we spoke with Steve Steve
3:44:26is probably going to be there tomorrow
3:44:27asking uh many questions that we
3:44:30discussed here on the show so make sure
3:44:31you tune in then all right uh the last
3:44:34thing on my list so we talked about it
3:44:36uh a little while ago uh Ron and I
3:44:38talked about it um Ted Cruz's big
3:44:40announcement so he speaks at Liberty
3:44:44University for uh almost 30 minutes or
3:44:48so and at the very end announces that he
3:44:51is going to run for president of the
3:44:54United States he is looking for I guess
3:44:57the official nomination from the
3:44:59Republican party uh there's been a lot
3:45:01of speculation as to who was going to
3:45:03run um you know their names like Jeff
3:45:05Bush out Ted Cruz out Marco Ruby so many
3:45:08names uh out there but this is the first
3:45:11time that someone has come out and said
3:45:14yes I'm doing it not I'm thinking about
3:45:17I'm not considering it but yes I'm
3:45:18running so I have that uh speech for you
3:45:22guys now again he did this I know I was
3:45:25listening to it on the drive into to
3:45:26work so I want to say it was between
3:45:287:30 and 8: this morning um Pacific
3:45:32Standard time so some of you may have
3:45:33missed it I was on a number of the cable
3:45:35news networks but uh no worries because
3:45:39I have it here for you guys now on news
3:45:41now
3:45:42so here it is
3:45:44[Applause]
3:45:51[Music]
3:45:54thank you so much president
3:45:57fwell God bless Liberty
3:46:06University I am thrilled to join you
3:46:09today at the largest Christian
3:46:12University in the world
3:46:19today I want to talk with
3:46:21you about the
3:46:24promise of
3:46:27America imagine your
3:46:29parents when they were
3:46:32children imagine a little
3:46:35girl growing up in Wilmington
3:46:43Delaware during World War
3:46:46II the
3:46:49daughter of Irish and Italian Catholic
3:46:53Family working class her
3:46:55uncle ran numbers in
3:46:59Wilmington she grew up with dozens of
3:47:03cousins because her mom was the second
3:47:07youngest of 17
3:47:10kids she had a difficult
3:47:13father a man who drank far too
3:47:17much and frankly didn't think that women
3:47:20should be
3:47:22educated and yet this young girl pretty
3:47:24and
3:47:26shy was
3:47:28driven was bright was
3:47:31inquisitive and she became the first
3:47:34person in her family ever to go to
3:47:37college in 1956 my mom
3:47:42Eleanor graduated from rice University
3:47:45with a degree in math and became a
3:47:48pioneering computer programmer in the
3:47:511950s and
3:47:53[Applause]
3:48:011960s
3:48:04imagine a teenage
3:48:07boy not much younger than many of you
3:48:10here
3:48:12today growing up in Cuba
3:48:19jet black
3:48:21hair skinny as a
3:48:30rail involved in student
3:48:34council and yet Cuba was not at a
3:48:38peaceful time the dictator
3:48:41Batista was corrupt
3:48:44he was
3:48:46oppressive and this teenage boy joins a
3:48:50revolution he joins a revolution against
3:48:53Batista he begins
3:48:56fighting with other
3:48:58teenagers to free Cuba from the
3:49:02dictator this boy at age
3:49:0617 finds himself thrown in
3:49:09prison finds himself tortured
3:49:13beaten and and then at age
3:49:1618 He flees
3:49:18Cuba he comes to
3:49:21America imagine for a second the
3:49:25hope that was in his heart as he rode
3:49:28that ferry booat across to Key West and
3:49:31got on a Greyhound bus to head to Austin
3:49:38Texas to begin working washing dishes
3:49:41making 50 cents an hour coming to the
3:49:44one land on
3:49:46Earth that has welcomed so many
3:49:51millions when my dad came to
3:49:54America in 1957 he could not have
3:49:57imagined what lay in store for
3:50:01him
3:50:04imagine a young married
3:50:07couple living together in the
3:50:111970s neither one of them
3:50:14has a personal relationship with
3:50:17Jesus they have a little
3:50:20boy and they're both drinking far too
3:50:24much they're living a fast
3:50:29life when I was
3:50:32three my father
3:50:34decided to leave my mother and
3:50:38me we were living in Calgary at the time
3:50:41he got on a plane and he flew back to
3:50:43Texas
3:50:46and he decided he didn't want to be
3:50:47married
3:50:49anymore and he didn't want to be a
3:50:51father to his three-year-old
3:50:54son and yet when he was in
3:50:56Houston a friend a colleague from the
3:50:59oil and gas
3:51:00business invited him to a Bible
3:51:04study invited him to clayr Baptist
3:51:08Church and there my father gave his life
3:51:11to Jesus Christ
3:51:22and God transformed his
3:51:26heart and he drove to the
3:51:29airport he bought a plane
3:51:31ticket and he flew back to be with my
3:51:34mother and
3:51:41me there are people who wonder if faith
3:51:44is
3:51:45real I can tell
3:51:48you in my family there's not a second of
3:51:52Doubt because were it not for the
3:51:55transformative love of Jesus Christ I
3:51:59would have been saved and I would have
3:52:01been
3:52:03raised by a single mom without my father
3:52:06in the
3:52:08household
3:52:10imagine another little girl
3:52:15living in Africa in Kenya and
3:52:19Nigeria it's a diverse
3:52:23crowd playing with kids they spoke
3:52:26Swahili she spoke
3:52:29[Applause]
3:52:34English coming back to
3:52:38[Applause]
3:52:42California where her parents who had
3:52:44been missionaries in Africa raised
3:52:47her the Central
3:52:50Coast she starts a small business when
3:52:52she's in grade school baking
3:52:56bread she calls it Heidi's
3:52:59Bakery she and her brother compete
3:53:01baking bread they bake thousands of
3:53:03loaves of
3:53:05bread and go to the local apple orchard
3:53:08where they sell the bread to people
3:53:10coming to pick apples
3:53:14she goes
3:53:16on to a career in
3:53:19business excelling and rising to the
3:53:22highest
3:53:25Pinnacles and
3:53:28then Heidi becomes my wife and my very
3:53:31best friend in the
3:53:33[Applause]
3:53:42world Heidi become an incredible mom to
3:53:47our two precious little girls Caroline
3:53:50and Catherine the joys and loves of our
3:53:55[Applause]
3:54:01[Applause]
3:54:03life imagine another teenage
3:54:07boy being raised in
3:54:10Houston hearing
3:54:12stories from his dad
3:54:16about prison and torture in Cuba hearing
3:54:21stories about how fragile Liberty
3:54:25is beginning to study the United States
3:54:30Constitution learning about the
3:54:32incredible protections we have in this
3:54:34country that protect the god-given
3:54:36liberty of every
3:54:39American it's
3:54:42experiencing challenges at home
3:54:45the mid 1980s oil prices
3:54:49crater and his parents' business go
3:54:53bankrupt heading off to
3:54:57school over a th000 miles away from home
3:54:59at a place where he knew
3:55:02nobody where he was alone and
3:55:05scared and his parents going through
3:55:07bankruptcy meant there was no financial
3:55:09support at home so at the age of 17
3:55:15he went to get two
3:55:16jobs to help pay his way through
3:55:21school he took over $100,000 in school
3:55:26loans loans I suspect a lot of y'all can
3:55:30relate
3:55:32to loans that I'll point out I just paid
3:55:35off a few years ago
3:55:38[Applause]
3:55:44[Applause]
3:55:46these are all of our
3:55:48stories these are who we
3:55:51are as
3:55:55Americans and
3:55:58yet for so many
3:56:02Americans the promise of
3:56:05America seems more and more distant what
3:56:07is the promise of America the idea that
3:56:10the Revolutionary idea that this country
3:56:13was founded upon which is that our
3:56:16rights they don't come from
3:56:18man they come from God
3:56:22[Applause]
3:56:30Almighty and that the purpose of the
3:56:32Constitution as Thomas Jefferson put it
3:56:34is to serve as chains to bind the
3:56:37Mischief of government
3:56:45the incredible
3:56:47opportunity of the American dream what
3:56:51has enabled millions of people from all
3:56:53over the world to come to America with
3:56:57nothing and to achieve
3:57:00anything and then the American
3:57:02exceptionalism that has made this nation
3:57:05a claran voice for freedom in the world
3:57:09a shining City on a
3:57:11Hill that's the promise of America
3:57:16that is what makes this nation an
3:57:18indispensable Nation a unique nation in
3:57:21the history of the
3:57:23world and yet so
3:57:26many fear that that promise is today
3:57:30unattainable so many fear it is slipping
3:57:33away from our
3:57:36hands I want to talk to
3:57:40you this morning about reigniting
3:57:45the promise of
3:57:48America amen 240 years ago on this very
3:57:53day a 38-year-old
3:57:57lawyer named Patrick
3:58:02Henry stood up just a 100 miles from
3:58:05here in Richmond
3:58:06[Music]
3:58:06[Applause]
3:58:09Virginia and said Give me liberty or
3:58:13give me death
3:58:15[Applause]
3:58:23death I want to ask each of you to
3:58:26imagine imagine millions of courageous
3:58:30conservatives all across America rising
3:58:33up together to say in
3:58:36unison we demand our Liberty
3:58:41[Applause]
3:58:49today roughly half of Born Again
3:58:54Christians aren't
3:58:56voting they're staying
3:58:59home imagine
3:59:03instead millions of people of Faith all
3:59:06across America coming out to the polls
3:59:09and voting our values
3:59:17today millions of young
3:59:20people are scared worried about the
3:59:22future worried what the future will hold
3:59:25imagine millions of young people coming
3:59:28together and standing together saying we
3:59:31will stand for
3:59:39Liberty think just how
3:59:42different the world would
3:59:45be
3:59:49imagine instead of economic
3:59:52stagnation booming economic
4:00:00growth instead of small businesses going
4:00:03out of business in record numbers
4:00:05imagine small businesses growing in
4:00:07prospering Imagine young people coming
4:00:11out of school with four five six job
4:00:13offers
4:00:14[Applause]
4:00:21[Applause]
4:00:24imagine Innovation thriving on the
4:00:27internet as Government regulators and
4:00:29tax collectors are kept at Bay and more
4:00:32and more opportunity is
4:00:34[Applause]
4:00:39created imagine America finally becoming
4:00:43energy self-sufficient as millions and
4:00:46millions of high-paying jobs are
4:00:48[Applause]
4:00:55created 5 years ago
4:00:59today the president signed Obamacare
4:01:03into
4:01:04[Music]
4:01:07law within
4:01:10hours Liberty University went to court
4:01:13filing a a lawsuit to stop that bailed
4:01:23[Applause]
4:01:26law instead of the
4:01:29joblessness instead of the millions
4:01:32forced into part-time work instead of
4:01:34the millions who've lost their health
4:01:36insurance lost their doctors have faced
4:01:39skyrocketing health insurance
4:01:41premiums imagine in 20
4:01:4417 a new
4:01:47president signing legislation repealing
4:01:50every word of
4:01:59[Applause]
4:02:05Obamacare imagine Healthcare reform that
4:02:09keeps government out of the way between
4:02:11you and your doctor and that makes
4:02:13health Insurance personal and portable
4:02:16and
4:02:17[Applause]
4:02:25affordable instead of a tax
4:02:28code that crushes
4:02:32Innovation that
4:02:34imposes burdens on families struggling
4:02:37to make ends
4:02:40meet imagine a simple flat tax
4:02:44[Applause]
4:02:49that lets every American fill out his or
4:02:52her taxes on a
4:02:59postcard imagine abolishing the IRS
4:03:09[Applause]
4:03:15instead of the
4:03:18lawlessness and the president's
4:03:20unconstitutional executive
4:03:22[Applause]
4:03:24amnesty imagine a president that finally
4:03:27finally finally secures the
4:03:34[Applause]
4:03:38borders and imagine a legal immigration
4:03:41system that welcomes and celebrates
4:03:44those who come to achieve the American
4:03:47[Applause]
4:03:56dream instead of a federal
4:03:59government that wages an assault on our
4:04:01religious
4:04:02liberty that goes after Hobby Lobby that
4:04:05goes after the Little Sisters of the
4:04:07Poor that goes after Liberty
4:04:11University imagine a federal government
4:04:13that stands for the First Amendment
4:04:16rights of every
4:04:17[Applause]
4:04:26American instead of a federal government
4:04:29that works to undermine our
4:04:31values imagine a federal
4:04:34government that works to defend the
4:04:37sanctity of human life
4:04:39[Applause]
4:04:47and to uphold the sacrament of
4:04:51[Applause]
4:04:57marriage instead of a
4:05:00government that works to undermine our
4:05:03Second Amendment rights that seeks to
4:05:05ban our
4:05:11ammunition imagine a ederal government
4:05:14that protects the right to keep and bear
4:05:17arms of all law abiding
4:05:24[Applause]
4:05:28Americans instead of a
4:05:32government that seizes your
4:05:34emails and your cell
4:05:37phones imagine a federal government that
4:05:39protected the Privacy rights of every
4:05:42American
4:05:50instead of a federal
4:05:54government that seeks to dictate School
4:05:57curriculum through Common
4:06:04Core imagine repealing every word of
4:06:07common core
4:06:12[Applause]
4:06:16imagine embracing school choice as the
4:06:19Civil Rights issue of the Next
4:06:26Generation that every single
4:06:29child regardless of race regardless of
4:06:31ethnicity regardless of wealth or zip
4:06:34code every child in America has a right
4:06:37to a quality education
4:06:46and that's true from all of the above
4:06:48whether it is at Public Schools or
4:06:50Charter Schools or private schools or
4:06:52Christian Schools or parochial schools
4:06:54or home schools every
4:06:57[Applause]
4:07:03child instead of a
4:07:07President Who
4:07:09boycots prime minister Netanyahu
4:07:11[Applause]
4:07:15imagine a president who stands
4:07:17unapologetically with the nation of
4:07:19Israel
4:07:48[Applause]
4:07:50instead of a president who seeks to go
4:07:54to the United Nations to endr run
4:07:56Congress and the American people that's
4:07:59horrible imagine a president who says I
4:08:01will honor the
4:08:03Constitution and under no
4:08:06circumstances will Iran be allowed to
4:08:09acquire a nuclear record
4:08:16imagine a president who says we will
4:08:19stand up and defeat radical Islamic
4:08:30terrorism and we will call it by its
4:08:40name we will defend the United States of
4:08:48America now all of these seem
4:08:53difficult indeed to some they may seem
4:08:57unimaginable and yet if you look in the
4:08:59history of our
4:09:01country imagine it's
4:09:041775 and you and I were sitting there in
4:09:07Richmond listening to Patrick Henry say
4:09:11Give me liberty or give me death
4:09:14imagine it's 1776 and we were watching
4:09:17the 54 signers of the Declaration of
4:09:20Independence stand together and pledge
4:09:23their lives their fortunes and their
4:09:24sacred
4:09:27honor to igniting the promise of
4:09:32America imagine it was
4:09:351777 and we were watching General
4:09:39Washington as he lost battle after
4:09:42battle after battle in the freezing cold
4:09:45as his soldiers with no shoes were
4:09:49dying Fighting For Freedom against the
4:09:52most powerful
4:09:54army in the
4:09:56world that too seemed
4:10:00unimaginable imagine it's
4:10:031933 and we were listening to President
4:10:05Franklin delanor Roosevelt tell America
4:10:08at a time of crushing depression at a
4:10:11time of a gathering storm AB
4:10:14Brad that we have nothing to
4:10:17fear but fear
4:10:19itself imagine it's
4:10:231979 and you and I were listening to
4:10:26Ronald
4:10:32Reagan and he was telling
4:10:36us that we would cut the top marginal
4:10:39tax rate from 70% all the way down to
4:10:4228%
4:10:44that we would go from crushing
4:10:47stagnation to booming economic growth to
4:10:50Millions being lifted out of poverty and
4:10:53into prosperity and
4:10:55abundance that the very day he was sworn
4:10:59in our hostages who were languishing in
4:11:02Iran would be
4:11:04released and that within a
4:11:08decade we would win the Cold War and
4:11:12tear the Berlin Wall fall to the
4:11:15ground that would have seemed
4:11:20unimaginable and yet with the grace of
4:11:24God that's exactly what
4:11:35happened from the dawn of this country
4:11:38at every stage America has
4:11:41enjoyed God's providential blessing
4:11:44blessing over and over again when we
4:11:46faced impossible
4:11:49odds the American people Rose to the
4:11:53challenge you know compared to that
4:11:56repealing Obamacare and abolishing the
4:11:59IRS ain't all that
4:12:05tough the power of the American people
4:12:08when we rise up and stand for Liberty
4:12:12right knows no
4:12:23bounds if you're
4:12:25ready to join a Grassroots Army across
4:12:29this
4:12:31nation coming together and standing for
4:12:34Liberty I'm going to ask you to break a
4:12:37rule here
4:12:39today and to take out your cell phones
4:12:45and to text the word
4:12:49constitution to the number
4:12:5233733 you can also text imagine we're
4:12:57versatile once again text
4:13:02Constitution to
4:13:0833733 God's blessing has been on
4:13:11America from the very beginning of this
4:13:14nation and I believe God isn't done with
4:13:17America yet
4:13:24right I believe in you I believe in the
4:13:28power of millions of courageous
4:13:31conservatives rising up to reignite the
4:13:35promise of
4:13:37America and that is why
4:13:41today I am announcing that I'm running
4:13:44for president of the United States
4:14:03[Applause]
4:14:27it is a time for
4:14:31truth it is a time for
4:14:38Liberty it is a time to reclaim the
4:14:41constitution of the the United
4:14:48States I am honored to stand with each
4:14:51and every one of
4:14:55you courageous
4:14:59conservatives as we come together to
4:15:02reclaim the promise of America to
4:15:05reclaim the Mandate The Hope and
4:15:08opportunity for our children and our
4:15:10children's children we stand together
4:15:13for
4:15:24Liberty this is our
4:15:27fight the answer will not come from
4:15:32Washington it will come
4:15:34only from the men and women across this
4:15:37country from men and women from people
4:15:39of Faith from lovers of Liberty from
4:15:41people who respect the Constitution it
4:15:44will only come as it has come at every
4:15:47other time of challenge in this country
4:15:49when the American people stand together
4:15:52and say we will get back to the
4:15:54principles that have made this country
4:15:56great we will get back and restore that
4:16:00shining City on a Hill that is the
4:16:02United States of America thank you and
4:16:05God bless you
4:16:18[Applause]
4:16:30well if you ask me hello everyone Jeff
4:16:33morard here I am stepping in for samama
4:16:38she went out to head out her on her
4:16:40lunch break so I thought I would wrap up
4:16:42with senator Ted Cruz announcing his run
4:16:45for
4:16:45presidency Far and Away the earliest
4:16:48person to announce their candidacy but
4:16:50of course they are uh there's a lot of
4:16:53speculation on who would or should be
4:16:56the next president already I can't
4:17:00personally believe we're already talking
4:17:01about the presidential election um the
4:17:05office of president's a very serious
4:17:06position but boy is it a little bit
4:17:09nutty when we actually go to elect them
4:17:12so
4:17:13yes hello everyone thank you for the
4:17:15highs from the chat room so I'm going to
4:17:18wrap us up here in a little bit but I
4:17:19have a question I'm try not to mess up
4:17:22samia's control panel here uh you know
4:17:25she's got it set up for her so I try not
4:17:27just like when you B someone's car you
4:17:28try not to you have to adjust the
4:17:30mirrors and uh change everything around
4:17:33so trying not to mess things up too much
4:17:35but I am going to uh ask a quick
4:17:38question before we wrap up and that's if
4:17:40you could pick any one person now no
4:17:42bashing of anyone else but if you could
4:17:44pick one person to actually be our
4:17:47president you get the job to anoint do
4:17:51you you know is Hillary is it uh is it
4:17:55Ted
4:17:55Cruz uh is it Aron Schwarzenegger right
4:17:59he had a big stint as Texas governor
4:18:01technically you know he's not a US
4:18:03citizen so he can't well he's a US
4:18:05citizen but he's not natural born so he
4:18:07cannot uh actually become president but
4:18:10who would you pick who would be the
4:18:12single best president for the United
4:18:16States so I will take again there's that
4:18:19little bit of a lag between when I say
4:18:20that and things come through in the chat
4:18:22room so I'll watch for answers here and
4:18:24then after this we're going to wrap up
4:18:26we've made the event for the
4:18:273:00 uh news now EV I may be joining
4:18:32somia for a little bit of talk she was
4:18:34very
4:18:35excited um that
4:18:40uh yeah um
4:18:44all right again reminding everyone be
4:18:47nice to each other in the chat room
4:18:49you're all out of kindergarten come on
4:18:51people just
4:18:53relax um I may be joining her this
4:18:56afternoon she's very excited there's a
4:18:58new service up from mircat saw me his
4:19:00second favorite thing in the world after
4:19:02uh Google Feud and on this mircat
4:19:06feature it lets you save your mircat to
4:19:08YouTube so I think she is going
4:19:11to uh be doing some Mir cats this
4:19:14afternoon we will see how that
4:19:17goes so let's
4:19:20see if anyone has ideas for who they
4:19:25would want to
4:19:28be
4:19:31president looks like we got
4:19:34a Hillary in there
4:19:48Clint Eastwood uh yeah he was mayor of
4:19:51caramel by the sea I might be getting up
4:19:54there a little bit it certainly be a
4:19:57little bit intimidating of a president
4:19:59uh Ron Paul there's a lot of Ron Paul
4:20:02fans uh here in the valley Ellen
4:20:05degenerous that's an interesting choice
4:20:07JoJo Ronald Reagan um I think being uh
4:20:11dead makes that a bit
4:20:13difficult uh Chuck Norris going with the
4:20:16fanciful ones here look another one troy
4:20:20Hayden I will let Troy know that he
4:20:23should be in this afternoon I don't know
4:20:25if he has a new update on jod Aras um
4:20:29but I'm sure that uh the fact that
4:20:30people want him to be president uh is
4:20:34something that he would find quite
4:20:35entertaining Jeff and saw me in
4:20:372016 I don't think anybody really wants
4:20:41that uh yeah I love s you to death uh
4:20:46but you know even myself now president
4:20:48that's a rough job you know uh there's
4:20:51been my sherff there been sherff
4:20:52presidents that I've supported some I
4:20:54didn't care for but I do have to respect
4:20:57the sheer amount of work and life that
4:21:01you pour into that role look at any
4:21:03president picture of them uh when they
4:21:05took office and even if they're a
4:21:07one-term president look at them four
4:21:08years later it ages you it takes a big
4:21:11toll
4:21:13I've got more and entertaining things
4:21:15that I want to do with my life so I
4:21:17would pass on that but thank you maybe
4:21:19Samy would take you up on that and would
4:21:21prefer to be president no more Jodie
4:21:25updates I'm okay with that uh I don't
4:21:28have a lot else to say or talk about
4:21:30with regards to uh M Aras uh until
4:21:33there's more actual news from the court
4:21:35but she uh does have a way of putting
4:21:38herself back in the news doesn't she and
4:21:41a lot of people do care about that so if
4:21:43there is news we will cover it if not we
4:21:46will just move right along there's a lot
4:21:48of other exciting stuff going
4:21:50on and I think that about wraps it up
4:21:53for me
4:21:55so everybody go have a great lunch if
4:21:58you haven't had it or dinner if you are
4:22:00in a different time zone o I don't know
4:22:03if somia mentioned this I've been
4:22:04running around doing some other things
4:22:06but today is National puppy day yes I'm
4:22:09a huge dog fan and uh we're going to be
4:22:12sharing some pictures of uh dogs that
4:22:16people have shared online from National
4:22:17puppy day uh if you have a puppy and you
4:22:21want to share a picture if you tweet it
4:22:23at us with the hashtag Fox tin Phoenix I
4:22:27will look for those and if I see some
4:22:29from uh some of you wonderful people in
4:22:31the chat room uh with puppies I will add
4:22:33them to our tag board for later on
4:22:36National puppy day they might even end
4:22:37up on the air here in Phoenix so that is
4:22:41a little sneak peek at uh next time and
4:22:44we have the 3:00 event up if you want to
4:22:46go bookmark that and for everyone in the
4:22:50chat
4:22:51room puppy day yes Rachel puppy day is
4:22:55fantastic so you all go and have a
4:22:57fantastic day if you have ideas for
4:23:00stories or things you'd like to see us
4:23:02cover let us know and this is Jeff
4:23:04morard with Fox 10 news thank you for
4:23:11watching for

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