Flint Water Crisis: LeeAnne Walters #EPA TIMELINE — Transcript

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1. 0:00a lot longer than he was supposed to and
2. 0:02here we go we're going live
3. 0:05okay hi this is Jack Olstead I'm in pwn
4. 0:08in Washington I'm talking to lean
5. 0:10Walters and you are in Virginia um right
6. 0:13lean yes right yep right now I am uh
7. 0:16here you are and uh what you're looking
8. 0:19at is H the
9. 0:21timeline that was created for the Flint
10. 0:24Water Crisis and uh Leanne you are
11. 0:29interested in
12. 0:30discussing um PSI the consulting firm
13. 0:35that was hired by the city to what do
14. 0:39random test samplings of uh lead
15. 0:43in residents tap water is that correct
16. 0:47correct yeah so what what what's your
17. 0:50what are your concerns about this
18. 0:52consulting firm oh my my I have many con
19. 0:56concerns about this I want to know you
20. 0:58know why were they the ones Chen was
21. 1:00there anybody else up for consideration
22. 1:02who made the final decision to hire this
23. 1:04company were they vetted before they
24. 1:06hired this company I mean I know from
25. 1:08doing quick Google searches that you
26. 1:10know their reputation is not Stellar so
27. 1:13why would you hire a company that
28. 1:14doesn't have a stellar reputation after
29. 1:16everything you've already put the
30. 1:17citizens through and you know they
31. 1:20they're saying they're going to test
32. 1:21random homes why are homes with lead
33. 1:23service lines not TP priority for this
34. 1:25test are they going to be testing by the
35. 1:27lead and copper rule or are they going
36. 1:28to be testing by loopholes what is the
37. 1:30random testing going to do other than
38. 1:32you
39. 1:33know not give us an accurate read of
40. 1:35what's going on I'm not saying people
41. 1:37with Le don't have lead service line
42. 1:38shouldn't be tested but lead service
43. 1:41line should be top priority since
44. 1:43they're the ones who made you know blood
45. 1:44problem happen in the first
46. 1:46place why wasn't it given to you know a
47. 1:49local College to do the the the study
48. 1:51for it or back to Virginia T why weren't
49. 1:54they offered the opportunity and for the
50. 1:56citizens to do what we've already done
51. 1:58once for the city
52. 2:00and you know collect the samples get the
53. 2:02samples and get these people tested I
54. 2:04know when we did our testing it was $100
55. 2:07a test and you know they're going to pay
56. 2:09these people up to $75,000 for 150 tests
57. 2:13we could do you know 750 tests for that
58. 2:16price an extra 600 test could be getting
59. 2:18done for Citizens so these are all great
60. 2:21you know great concerns for me and not
61. 2:23just me I'm sure it's other citizens as
62. 2:25well other people I've talked to are you
63. 2:27know expressing the same things that I
64. 2:29am about about this and it doesn't seem
65. 2:30like we're getting any answers
66. 2:32again have you tried to talk to the
67. 2:35mayor I've I've emailed the mayor I'm
68. 2:38waiting for a response
69. 2:41back so when you said you did a Google
70. 2:44search on this company PSI what did you
71. 2:46find uh different lawsuits against them
72. 2:50um one of them was for falsifying
73. 2:52information another one for racketeering
74. 2:55um there were there was quite a few
75. 2:56different ones and other citizens did
76. 2:57research as well and they had um some of
77. 3:00the other ones on their Pages too
78. 3:02so why are these decisions being
79. 3:05made without the citizens involvement or
80. 3:09the city council invol involvement why
81. 3:11would why did it go around the city
82. 3:13council isn't that what they're supposed
83. 3:14to be there
84. 3:17for so these are all questions that
85. 3:19you're looking for answers and at this
86. 3:22point you don't have anybody supplying
87. 3:24you with answers
88. 3:26no no I talked to one of the other I
89. 3:28talked to another citizen this morning
90. 3:31and um we were discussing these concerns
91. 3:34and hopefully they're going to be
92. 3:35mentioned in the city council meeting
93. 3:37tonight um
94. 3:40but it should after everything that's
95. 3:42happened why would this be the path that
96. 3:44you would choose it says not building
97. 3:45trust back up
98. 3:47again especially the mayor when the
99. 3:50mayor says that her Administration is
100. 3:52going to be about transparency she was
101. 3:54going to tell everybody what was going
102. 3:56on good bad or indifferent she was going
103. 3:58to lay all the cards on the table and
104. 4:01this is uh something which you feel um
105. 4:04needs to be as transparent
106. 4:07as as
107. 4:09possible and it's cloaked in secrecy
108. 4:13yeah the big thing is why are they hired
109. 4:16and what are their qualifications and if
110. 4:18they have this track
111. 4:20record um
112. 4:22why why hire them if they have a blemish
113. 4:25against their reputation that's easily
114. 4:27found exactly and you know I'm sorry f
115. 4:32for falsifying information I mean that
116. 4:34is the ccts of why people are so angry
117. 4:37because the the numbers were were
118. 4:40falsified saying that the water the
119. 4:43Flint water was safe when actually it
120. 4:45was
121. 4:45not they went through
122. 4:48loopholes all they were trying to do is
123. 4:50get in compliance with the epa's numbers
124. 4:53not focused on human health I mean they
125. 4:55didn't check some high some schools
126. 4:58because
127. 5:00they were told I mean I guess you guys
128. 5:02were told the the activists were told we
129. 5:05don't have to we don't have to check
130. 5:08schools not just it's not just that
131. 5:11though Jack it's when they were doing if
132. 5:14you look at the Foy information um
133. 5:17originally they needed 100 samples they
134. 5:19didn't meet that goal so then they you
135. 5:22know they messed around with changing
136. 5:25that number real quick and in a hurry to
137. 5:27be in compliance uh when they were when
138. 5:30they didn't have enough samples um they
139. 5:32had people from the water department
140. 5:33randomly supposedly randomly selecting
141. 5:36places to go gather samples and where
142. 5:38they went and gathered from had new
143. 5:40service line new Main and new service
144. 5:42lines in that area and then they they
145. 5:45they falsified the information on on
146. 5:47that paperwork to say that all these
147. 5:50people that they tested had led service
148. 5:52lines when in fact they did
149. 5:54not so you're adding insult to injury
150. 5:58here from from where I'm standing and
151. 6:00where from other citizens are standing
152. 6:03by handling things the way it's being
153. 6:05handled right
154. 6:07now they seem to treat human health or
155. 6:11public health as a
156. 6:14liability and then you know I was you
157. 6:16know reading an article online also um
158. 6:20about gasoline being up in Clarkson
159. 6:22Michigan in the water and how the
160. 6:25mdq has given those people up there Free
161. 6:29bottles of water for all of their needs
162. 6:33and they're helping write the wrongs
163. 6:35that they did to in Clarkston but
164. 6:37they've done nothing for the citizens of
165. 6:41Flint no free water no free water
166. 6:45bottles you know on a weekly basis yeah
167. 6:47we got they got some
168. 6:49filters um that's for your kitchen tab
169. 6:51what about bathing in it brushing your
170. 6:53teeth you know all these other things
171. 6:54that you need to do
172. 7:00it's it's just it's to me it's just a
173. 7:02big jumbled mess and you know it needs
174. 7:04to it needs to stop they need to start
175. 7:07being held accountable and they need to
176. 7:09start doing what's right by the citizens
177. 7:10they did this to the citizens the
178. 7:12citizens didn't do anything to them
179. 7:14besides prove that they were
180. 7:20lying I I think one of my
181. 7:23concerns looking at it from the outside
182. 7:26not being in Flint and uh uh covering
183. 7:29some other stories is um they they
184. 7:34aren't
185. 7:36tracking the deaths they aren't tracking
186. 7:39the the uh the they they have no death
187. 7:42toll
188. 7:44numbers uh for 18 months I guess for 20
189. 7:48months they put in Poison water into
190. 7:54people's um households and said that it
191. 7:57was okay for them to drink we know that
192. 8:01lead
193. 8:03um creates stillborns
194. 8:07miscarriages how many miscarriages are a
195. 8:10result of lead over the last 20 months
196. 8:13we know that uh seniors are also um at
197. 8:18at high risk how many mothers and
198. 8:21fathers died as a result of
199. 8:26um them drinking water from their Taps
200. 8:30when they said it was
201. 8:32safe there there there there's no
202. 8:34accountability for the death toll and
203. 8:36there is there is nobody talking about
204. 8:38the death toll and this is and we're not
205. 8:41talking about like last month when they
206. 8:43decided oh we got a problem here we're
207. 8:45going to fix it we're going to put
208. 8:47phosphate into the water we're talking
209. 8:49about 20
210. 8:52months right the
211. 8:54hospital the hospitals are not the
212. 8:56hospitals are not um screened for this
213. 9:00when there's a stillborn when there's a
214. 9:01miscarriage they're they're not going in
215. 9:03and saying well how much lead was was in
216. 9:06the you know in the
217. 9:09body and let's let's create a
218. 9:12database and and that is deafening
219. 9:15because we know that lead kills it kills
220. 9:18people
221. 9:19eventually but but for for uh fetuses
222. 9:23for pregnant women for children they're
223. 9:25most susceptible as as well as the
224. 9:28seniors right
225. 9:30where's the where where's where's the
226. 9:32death toll where the numbers where's the
227. 9:35data and I and and has been my opinion
228. 9:38my experience that uh when governments
229. 9:43when
230. 9:43agencies are um look at the
231. 9:49landscape they will not they will not
232. 9:52collect the
233. 9:53data in fact they
234. 9:55forbid hospitals they forbid people from
235. 9:58collecting d
236. 10:00they did that in Oregon with u pesticide
237. 10:04drift when they when there was a
238. 10:06correlation between the spraying of
239. 10:09forest and miscarriages within a
240. 10:12community their solution was stop doing
241. 10:16stop counting the numbers stop counting
242. 10:18the babies the dead babies and that and
243. 10:22so that's that became the law and so for
244. 10:24the last 20 years they have not been
245. 10:27collecting any data of um stillborn
246. 10:32deaths regarding uh pesticide spray
247. 10:36that's how they cover it up they don't
248. 10:37collect the data anyway so you were
249. 10:41gonna
250. 10:42say h you may me lose my train of
251. 10:46thought
252. 10:48um I'm hoping that we you know like I
253. 10:52said I emailed the mayor I'm hoping we
254. 10:53get some answers here in the next couple
255. 10:54of days to all of these
256. 10:57questions that's a you know that's a
257. 11:00huge thing for what they're doing right
258. 11:02now I mean if they don't want Virginia
259. 11:04Tech to do it um I don't understand why
260. 11:06because they've been so good to us so
261. 11:08far at least to the citizens um but you
262. 11:12know the local colleges the local
263. 11:14colleges could do it they're doing Wayne
264. 11:16State is doing um testing right now for
265. 11:19the
266. 11:22tthms and I can tell you from a few of
267. 11:25the results that we've seen from the
268. 11:26first round of Tas that they did those
269. 11:28are out of compliance
270. 11:36still I'm gonna share with you the Flint
271. 11:39water
272. 11:41study
273. 11:43website do you see that on the page yes
274. 11:46I
275. 11:47do and it looks like Virginia Tech is is
276. 11:50working with high school classes in in
277. 11:53Flint that's awesome because Mark's been
278. 11:55trying to do that he's been saying that
279. 11:57since September and and so uh they
280. 12:01posted this this morning December the 20
281. 12:04December uh 14th you can see that and
282. 12:07they've got pictures of how these um
283. 12:11chemistry students these chemistry
284. 12:16classes are are
285. 12:20um doing the
286. 12:24work very
287. 12:27detailed here they are
288. 12:30actually they're not high school
289. 12:31students looks like they're they're
290. 12:32Elementary School students that's
291. 12:35awesome so so if if you if you you've
292. 12:40got a
293. 12:42um a nationally
294. 12:45renowned professor professor plumber as
295. 12:47he's
296. 12:48called he's got all the
297. 12:51experience he's
298. 12:53got students and he's training students
299. 12:57locally on how to do the
300. 13:00work why don't why not turn this into a
301. 13:04a a community learning project so
302. 13:07everybody's working together and that's
303. 13:10that's that's what I don't understand
304. 13:12because one of the things like the city
305. 13:13of Flynn has said and utility companies
306. 13:15in general say is that people won't
307. 13:17cooperate and that's not true I mean
308. 13:20they gathered 69 samples or 71 samples
309. 13:23in six months and the citizens gathered
310. 13:26277 samples in two and a half weeks
311. 13:29weeks all you got to do is educate
312. 13:31people let them know why this is
313. 13:32important and they will
314. 13:35help and to get back to I've got my
315. 13:38train of thought back with the adding of
316. 13:40the phosphates the question was posed to
317. 13:44in the meeting about the level that
318. 13:47they're putting in there and what it
319. 13:48means for the citizens who get the first
320. 13:51draw water the people closest to the
321. 13:52water plant what is that going to look
322. 13:55like for them and the response was we
323. 13:58don't know we're going to have to look
324. 13:59into that we didn't take that into
325. 14:07consideration these guys are the experts
326. 14:09too right how how how did you not take
327. 14:11that into consideration when you decided
328. 14:12to do this after everything that just
329. 14:21happened it's
330. 14:23crazy it's still it's still a crazy mess
331. 14:27I mean we we talked um a couple days ago
332. 14:29you were talking about the the why that
333. 14:31they put in the why connection I think
334. 14:34they put into the plant yes where where
335. 14:37even when they do start drawing water
336. 14:39from the
337. 14:40Kwa they um will be mixing it with Flint
338. 14:43W river water yes and then when I posed
339. 14:47that to Jim saigo in an email in
340. 14:50November um he was said that they had no
341. 14:53knowledge of this and that that the DEQ
342. 14:55would not support the blending of the
343. 14:58water but then there was an article from
344. 15:012013 that says that that's exactly what
345. 15:04they were planning on doing and they
346. 15:05just needed the DEQ approval so I'm
347. 15:08waiting response back from Mr saigo on
348. 15:12what the update is and how they're
349. 15:15moving forward with
350. 15:17this I'm pulling up that article right
351. 15:19now using using the
352. 15:23timeline to get to the information very
353. 15:26quickly right here
354. 15:29March the 25th
355. 15:362013 and and they they talk about it
356. 15:38right right here right and and I know
357. 15:42from 16 million gallons per day of raw
358. 15:46sewage from the lake and then they were
359. 15:49going to mix it with two million gallons
360. 15:51per day from the Flint River I mean this
361. 15:52is what's in their plan Yep this is in
362. 15:56their proposal under the proposal they
363. 15:57haven't as far as I can tell you haven't
364. 15:59changed their proposal I know Howard
365. 16:02Croft confirmed it a few months ago that
366. 16:05that that's that was the plan before the
367. 16:07switch back to Detroit was you know the
368. 16:09Y was installed in the plant and that
369. 16:11that would be used to blend the waters
370. 16:15together and then the D tells me you
371. 16:18know a week ago a week and a half ago
372. 16:20whatever it was that they don't know
373. 16:22anything about it and they would not
374. 16:23support
375. 16:25that so yeah those are people we should
376. 16:28trust after the whole the whole reason
377. 16:31why uh apparently they want to bring in
378. 16:35water from the
379. 16:38lake so they can resell it yep to other
380. 16:43communities and the lake will only give
381. 16:45them 18 million gallons so they had to
382. 16:48make up the difference in order to get
383. 16:51the quantity up so that they could sell
384. 16:52it so they could be profitable trying to
385. 16:55not just other communities though Jack
386. 16:57they're planning on selling water off
387. 16:59along the way um that's why it's coming
388. 17:02in raw 70 miles which is not something
389. 17:06that's done normally when you're dealing
390. 17:09with water like that for drink for a
391. 17:11drinking source so they can sell it off
392. 17:14to um Farmers this way it's untreated so
393. 17:19you know like the Sugar Beach farms and
394. 17:21stuff excuse me um that that's part of
395. 17:25the
396. 17:25plan to make to make money off of it
397. 17:29most places like Detroit for instance
398. 17:31when they pull off a port hon it is
399. 17:33treated at the source and then sent out
400. 17:36to people they're planning on bringing
401. 17:38it in 70 miles untreated treating it
402. 17:41after it gets here and then sending it
403. 17:43out to the people which you know that is
404. 17:45not how it is normally
405. 17:47done and throughout the and throughout
406. 17:51the pipeline there will be um openings
407. 17:54so that they can draw water off
408. 17:59is that right is that what you're saying
409. 18:02to my I don't know if there's actual
410. 18:04openings I just know that the plan is to
411. 18:07be selling water off as it's coming
412. 18:09through that's why it's that's why it's
413. 18:10not being
414. 18:11treated at the source that's why it's
415. 18:13not being treated until it gets to Flint
416. 18:15is so that they can sell it off and make
417. 18:17a
418. 18:21profit there is a picture of the
419. 18:27um of the pipeline on the Kwa
420. 18:32website let me see if I can pull that up
421. 18:43quickly I
422. 18:47cannot doesn't look like I
423. 18:53can I don't you know if they get the Kwa
424. 18:56online when they say they're going to
425. 18:58get it online I will be
426. 19:00shocked I don't think you're going to
427. 19:02see usable water from Kwa
428. 19:06till March between March and may of
429. 19:142017 that's what I'm thinking right now
430. 19:16even though they you know they're saying
431. 19:18it's 2016 I don't I don't see
432. 19:20it uh why would you say that why don't
433. 19:23you see it I just don't they haven't
434. 19:25worried about anything else and they're
435. 19:27going to have to test the Kwa water
436. 19:29before it can come through to the
437. 19:30citizens and if they're doing it from
438. 19:32the articles that I was reading the way
439. 19:33they're talking about doing it that
440. 19:35water needs to be tested for three
441. 19:36months before it can be given to the
442. 19:39citizens
443. 19:41so if it's supposed to complete late to
444. 19:44end of
445. 19:462016 how are you giving it to the people
446. 19:48then you're not
447. 19:59so they're going to continue
448. 20:01to bring water in from
449. 20:04Detroit yes they're going to have
450. 20:08to which means they're going to continue
451. 20:10to spend uh more money for this um the
452. 20:15the the
453. 20:16shortterm relationship with with the
454. 20:19Detroit Water System either that or
455. 20:22they're gonna have to figure out how to
456. 20:25duplicate what that water is going to
457. 20:27look like after coming in 70 miles
458. 20:30untreated and putting chemicals into
459. 20:33it and duplicate the process prior to
460. 20:38the Kwa being
461. 20:40online and I I I don't see that being
462. 20:43cost
463. 20:45effective how do you duplicate 70 miles
464. 20:48of water running untreated treat it and
465. 20:51then see what that looks like for the
466. 20:53for the citizens I mean I've done a
467. 20:55little bit of research on my own on how
468. 20:58you know that could possibly be done and
469. 21:00none of those are things that
470. 21:02financially the city of Flint can afford
471. 21:03to
472. 21:07do
473. 21:10H more questions more questions than
474. 21:19answers here it
475. 21:24is I knew I could find it
476. 21:30here is the route
477. 21:33map for the
478. 21:42pipeline is this one dated at
479. 21:48all I don't I don't think so I don't
480. 21:50remember seeing a date
481. 21:53okay um but here we can see
482. 22:03this is where the water is coming in
483. 22:04right here the intake valve yeah which
484. 22:06they spent $35 million
485. 22:08for back in
486. 22:112013 that's where that's where they
487. 22:13first got this thing going 2 I think it
488. 22:16was
489. 22:172013 $35 million just to build this area
490. 22:21right
491. 22:22here the intake valve so it goes along
492. 22:26here and I believe I remember
493. 22:33seeing yeah here's a pump station
494. 22:36Reservoir balancing tanks so they're
495. 22:37tanks right here in this area so I think
496. 22:40if they have
497. 22:41tanks that um they're going to use as an
498. 22:45intermediary Source from that location
499. 22:48they'll be able to siphon water
500. 22:52off right wouldn't that make sense that
501. 22:55would make sense
502. 22:59and I don't think there is any other
503. 23:01takes along the
504. 23:05way and then it ends up what's this
505. 23:08other orange one right
506. 23:10here is that the treatment
507. 23:13plant no the treatment plant is right
508. 23:17here this is the Flint Water Treatment
509. 23:19Plant this is the
510. 23:23gcdc water treatment plant is that is
511. 23:26that the county treatment plant here
512. 23:30I don't know what's the gcdc wws water
513. 23:34treatment
514. 23:36plant I I don't know so whatever this is
515. 23:39they can probably also draw water off
516. 23:41from from this point as well this
517. 23:43treatment
518. 23:47plant this or this uh purple line is
519. 23:52the uh current Detroit water line
520. 24:00you can see that also
521. 24:03goes to the lake right
522. 24:09here so anyway yeah so it looks like
523. 24:11they that is something that they have in
524. 24:13the works that they've got these uh two
525. 24:18points where they can draw water off and
526. 24:20sell it to
527. 24:23Farms as a way of making money
528. 24:28these orange areas looks like they've
529. 24:31got that here in Detroit on the Detroit
530. 24:33line
531. 24:36too so
532. 24:40anyway we have uh six
533. 24:43minutes what would you like to talk
534. 24:45about in six
535. 24:46minutes what what what do you got going
536. 24:48on this week this is Monday you got a
537. 24:50full week ahead of you what what's going
538. 24:52on for you I'm just wait I'm just
539. 24:54emailing and waiting for people to email
540. 24:56me back I mean that's
541. 24:59right now I'm just gathering information
542. 25:01doing some research and just waiting for
543. 25:02people to email me back on the things
544. 25:04I've emailed on I've not heard back from
545. 25:06the DEQ I've not heard back from the
546. 25:08mayor um I've been in contact with
547. 25:11Denise foron who is the Congressional
548. 25:13liaison with the EPA and we're having
549. 25:16some technical issues with our
550. 25:17attachments so I'm working on
551. 25:20that
552. 25:22and that's pretty much about it besides
553. 25:24talking to people and getting more
554. 25:27information yeah have you heard anything
555. 25:29about the tech advisory
556. 25:33committee no I haven't heard anything
557. 25:35recently I know there was a meeting
558. 25:36there were supposed to be a meeting and
559. 25:37it was um cancelled so I don't know what
560. 25:40they're doing um Denise foron is the one
561. 25:42that um has me in contact with the um
562. 25:46task
563. 25:47force that's working in Flint so once we
564. 25:50get the attachment thing figured out um
565. 25:53I'll have a little bit more information
566. 25:54on that and finding out if they've
567. 25:56started the the pipe Loop
568. 25:59to um start testing the water for the
569. 26:01phosphates to see what the best
570. 26:02combination is which I don't understand
571. 26:05why they started adding phosphates
572. 26:07already if that hasn't been done because
573. 26:09that was the safe way to do it for the
574. 26:11citizens so I'm a bit confused about
575. 26:13that and again I can't answer anything
576. 26:17at this point because it's all waiting
577. 26:18for people to
578. 26:20respond I'm gonna be talking with bob
579. 26:22box
580. 26:24on Wednesday any questions that you
581. 26:28would like POs to to Bob he was um the
582. 26:32scientist brought in in February to
583. 26:34evaluate the situation he had a tour of
584. 26:36the plant he has extensive experience in
585. 26:39this type of
586. 26:42situation um any questions for Bob yeah
587. 26:45how did his meeting go with KY and um
588. 26:47after the the um nwac in
589. 26:53November how did the meeting go yeah him
590. 26:56me they sat down with congressman
591. 26:59um right after we got done at the
592. 27:00national drink and water advisory
593. 27:01committee up in DC so just curious how
594. 27:05that meeting went wasn't he also at the
595. 27:09EPA um hearing
596. 27:13no uh Aaron Brockovich was at the
597. 27:16hearing wasn't she no no no okay I saw
598. 27:19pictures I I thought they were and I
599. 27:21called his office I was trying to get
600. 27:22interviews and I was told that he was in
601. 27:24Washington DC at that time and I thought
602. 27:27he was at the hearing
603. 27:29no I I I I when I spoke to him on
604. 27:32Facebook I had mentioned that you know
605. 27:36there was still openings at that meeting
606. 27:37and you know if they could make it in
607. 27:39there to speak that would be fantastic
608. 27:41but they had other meetings that they
609. 27:42had already had scheduled previous
610. 27:45Arrangements previous they already had
611. 27:47scheduled so they couldn't make it into
612. 27:50the
613. 27:53ndwac what is going on with that you you
614. 27:57uh you talked in front of the hearing
615. 28:01are they going to give you any kind of
616. 28:03response they're going to adopt
617. 28:05everything that we were fighting against
618. 28:08and pretty much what I said in my speech
619. 28:11is what's going to happen if that's
620. 28:13allowed to happen if that actually does
621. 28:15take place we might as well tell people
622. 28:17you are on your own there are no laws
623. 28:19for lead and copper you're
624. 28:22screwed and I hate to be blunt but it is
625. 28:25what it is
626. 28:29so we're trying to figure out ways to
627. 28:32get you know to get their attention for
628. 28:33that not to happen well I think having a
629. 28:37death toll of stillborns and um seniors
630. 28:40would be a way to to um keep their their
631. 28:44focus on what is actually going on this
632. 28:47is um a
633. 28:49killer it's a killer for
634. 28:52the the the you
635. 28:55know for those that are entering the
636. 28:57world and exiting the world
637. 28:59it's it's it's not a good situation and
638. 29:03it's happening all over the
639. 29:05country and it's
640. 29:08unacceptable well it's it's not
641. 29:11acceptable for I guess a modern
642. 29:17society I mean if you think that the
643. 29:19United States is uh you know kind of
644. 29:22modern it's not a third
645. 29:25world first world
646. 29:28how how can we just pretend like it
647. 29:31doesn't
648. 29:32exist that's a million-dollar question
649. 29:35how did they pretend that this you know
650. 29:36this problem wasn't happening for as
651. 29:38long as it was and if it wasn't for the
652. 29:41work that we did they would still be
653. 29:42sticking to their story on it that there
654. 29:45was not a problem
655. 29:47so boggles the mind doesn't
656. 29:50it well boggles the mind that you pay
657. 29:53people to uh protect public health and
658. 29:57they don't so what are they getting paid
659. 29:59to do I mean that's the question I mean
660. 30:02what are they doing if not protecting
661. 30:05Public Health they're taking the
662. 30:08money and um not doing the job I mean
663. 30:12that's that's the thing that boggles the
664. 30:13mind you have people that you depend
665. 30:16upon to do a job and they don't do it
666. 30:20that's the mindboggling thing how can
667. 30:22people get paid to do a job and they
668. 30:23don't do the job I mean isn't that
669. 30:26bother the Mind well let let's let let's
670. 30:29rephrase that to the the majority don't
671. 30:32do that there still
672. 30:35are the fire and few in between that do
673. 30:38what's right and do try to do their job
674. 30:40to the best of their ability and and to
675. 30:43help
676. 30:45people and there needs to be more of
677. 30:47those people well those people seem to
678. 30:50be the worker bees the people that get
679. 30:52in you know because they want to
680. 30:55instigate change but the administ rators
681. 30:58the people at the top the political
682. 31:00process they're the
683. 31:02ones that put a cap on it they label
684. 31:05these people
685. 31:06whistleblowers um you know
686. 31:10they're
687. 31:11[Music]
688. 31:12um Rogue they're Rogue
689. 31:15[Laughter]
690. 31:17employees sorry I can't help but chuckle
691. 31:20when you say that because of what they
692. 31:21said about
693. 31:24Miguel well you know I got I I talked to
694. 31:27to a guy who worked at the EP for 25
695. 31:30years uh Evan valanos he wrote a book
696. 31:32Poison spring and he came out you know
697. 31:36matter than a hornet because of of what
698. 31:39he experienced in his 25 years he was in
699. 31:41Washington DC and he sat there and he
700. 31:44saw the paperwork going back and forth
701. 31:47and it was all at the expense of Public
702. 31:49Health and they
703. 31:52supported industry and poisoning of
704. 31:55populations over and over and over and
705. 31:57over again and
706. 32:00systematically you know putting
707. 32:02Band-Aids on it and and you know it's
708. 32:06you know it's a travesty it's not happen
709. 32:10this didn't just happen this happened at
710. 32:12the very beginning in 1970 when the EPA
711. 32:15was created and uh you can do some
712. 32:17little research and you can find out
713. 32:20that the EPA was
714. 32:22created so that it would
715. 32:26appease these
716. 32:29environmentalist and it would it would
717. 32:31appear that government was um you know
718. 32:35going to to Aid these environmental
719. 32:38concerns but what it actually was to do
720. 32:41was to impede them and and bring
721. 32:43everything to a Forefront and let
722. 32:45industry and government have their way
723. 32:47it it did it it was created to do the
724. 32:50act the actual opposite not to
725. 32:53protect but to harm H well not to
726. 32:57protect but but to to focus on the
727. 32:59profits of the
728. 33:01industry and it's crazy that has been
729. 33:04going on for all this
730. 33:06time crazy anyway I know it's uh three
731. 33:10minutes past um the time you've got to
732. 33:14go number one job rambunctious children
733. 33:17running in here any second so your
734. 33:20number one job is a mom all right thanks
735. 33:22so much for hanging out with me and um
736. 33:25I'll see you next time all right all
737. 33:27right