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0:00Daryl
0:01and t h o n y l a z z a r o
0:07>> All right.
0:08Mr. Lazaro, got to take your time and
0:11speak
0:13directly into that mic. When you go back
0:16and forth, it causes a few problems, but
0:19uh
0:19just take your time, speak speak
0:21distinctly.
0:23Mr. George, you may proceed.
0:25>> Thank you very much, Your Honor. Good
0:26afternoon, sir.
0:27>> Afternoon.
0:28>> You are Anthony Lazaro?
0:30>> Yes, ma'am.
0:31>> Do you go by Tony?
0:32>> Uh Anthony, Tony, don't mind me.
0:35>> All right. Uh Mr. Lazaro, how old are
0:37you?
0:38>> I'm 24.
0:41>> Are you currently living in the state of
0:42Florida?
0:42>> No.
0:43>> Where do you live?
0:44>> I live on Long Island.
0:47>> In New York?
0:48>> Yes.
0:48>> All right. How long have you lived
0:50there?
0:50>> Uh all my life.
0:53>> Was there a time that you lived here in
0:55Orlando?
0:56>> Yes, when I went to Full Sail
0:57University.
0:59>> And when did you attend Full Sail
1:01University?
1:01>> From 2007,
1:04August of 2007 to August of 2009.
1:13>> We've heard a little bit about Full
1:14Sail. Um
1:15>> Mhm.
1:16>> Did you graduate from Full Sail?
1:17>> Yes, sir.
1:18>> Uh and what did you get your degree in?
1:21>> Uh music business, bachelor's in music
1:23business.
1:27>> Is that a BA?
1:29>> That's a BS.
1:30>> BS.
1:34Uh are you currently working?
1:36>> Yes, sir.
1:37>> What do you do?
1:37>> Uh I work at Best Buy um and I'm
1:40interning at a record label.
1:51>> When you were attending Full Sail
1:54here in Orlando,
1:56>> Mhm.
1:56>> Uh, where were you living?
1:58>> I lived at two different places.
2:01>> Okay.
2:01>> Uh, first
2:02>> about where you were living in May,
2:04June, and July of 2008.
2:06>> Sure. Uh, Sutton Place.
2:09>> Do you recall the address there?
2:11>> Um, not the exact numbers, but it was
2:13off of University Boulevard.
2:15>> It was off of what?
2:16>> University Boulevard.
2:17>> All right.
2:19Do you recall when you moved into Sutton
2:20Place?
2:21>> Um, I believe it'd be either the end of
2:25August 2007 or the beginning of
2:28September 2007.
2:30>> When you moved into Sutton Place, with
2:31whom did you live?
2:33>> What? Excuse me?
2:34>> Who did you live with?
2:35>> Cam. Cameron Campana.
2:40>> And was it just the two of you there for
2:41a while?
2:42>> Yes, sir.
2:43>> Did there come a time while you were
2:45living at the Sutton Place Apartments
2:47that you had other people living with
2:49you?
2:49>> Yes.
2:51Two of my friends have lived off the off
2:54my couch, slept on my couch.
2:56>> Who is that?
2:57>> Um, one was Clint
2:59or Roy House
3:00and Nathan Lazovich.
3:04>> When they When they stayed with you, did
3:06they Did they
3:08pay any rent or utilities?
3:09>> No, it was just a friendly gesture cuz
3:12um
3:12one, I believe, I can't recall why Clint
3:16stayed over.
3:17Um, I think it was just some dispute
3:18with his other apartment. And I was just
3:21being a good friend and allowing him to
3:23stay on the couch, he had nowhere to go.
3:25And Nate, we were planning on moving
3:26into a new apartment together, so it was
3:28basically like he was waiting for my
3:30lease to end.
3:32>> And were you actively looking for a
3:33places to live during this time period?
3:35>> Uh, yes.
3:38>> All right, let's talk a little bit about
3:39Full Sail.
3:41Does Full Sail run their their classes,
3:44I guess like any other college where the
3:45semester start in September and go to
3:47>> No, they
3:48>> December? How does it work?
3:49>> Um, you When you It's not like a
3:51semester at all. Literally your semester
3:53is almost every month. You start new
3:55classes every month and your schedule
3:57can either be consistent for a whole
3:59week or it can completely different
4:00change. And the school is open 24/7.
4:05Usually you're in class or lab at 4
4:08hours of increments.
4:09>> All right.
4:10So back in May, June and going into July
4:14of 2008, what was your schedule at Full
4:17Sail?
4:18>> Um
4:19I know I believe that it it was not
4:21consistent. Um
4:23I would say that I would have a morning
4:26class
4:27from 9:00 to 1:00
4:30and then maybe a sometimes an evening
4:32lab or an evening class.
4:34>> What would happen at an evening lab?
4:38>> What would happen at an evening lab?
4:39>> Yeah, what do you do?
4:40>> Uh
4:41you would do anything that would be
4:43pertaining to that month. I can't recall
4:45actually what that month was, but it
4:47could be I could be in a music studio
4:49working on learning uh music equipment,
4:52recording equipment, or just learning
4:54the technology for being a musical
4:56engineer.
4:57>> As part of your tuition, did you receive
5:00a computer?
5:01>> Yes, I did.
5:02>> What type of computer did you receive?
5:04>> MacBook Pro.
5:13>> As part of your education at Full Sail,
5:16did you take it upon yourself or were
5:18you required um to
5:22put on either shows or
5:26uh
5:27do some sort of events?
5:29>> Um
5:30they they
5:32wanted you to
5:34uh
5:35get involved with the other kids because
5:37potentially these would be other people
5:39that you could be doing work with in the
5:41in the music industry.
5:43So yeah, I mean it wasn't like oh you
5:46have to do this, but it was a good thing
5:49to do and it was an experience. Like,
5:51so.
5:52>> During the months of
5:54of May, June, and July of 2008, did you
5:57take it upon yourself to try to set up
6:00either a a small business or something
6:03along those lines?
6:05>> Yes.
6:05>> What did you do?
6:06>> What did I do? Uh, I've had experience
6:08doing DJing and um,
6:11there's an echo. And uh, me and Clint, I
6:15should say Roy House,
6:16um, decided we wanted to maybe start our
6:18own company, have a DJ company,
6:21um, do a little pro- promotion for
6:24nightlife.
6:25>> Did that have a name?
6:26>> Um,
6:28I can't remember that name. I think we
6:30came through it a different a bunch of
6:31different names for the company.
6:33Um,
6:35but eventually what we
6:37we
6:38we did was DBC Entertainment, what
6:42became of that.
6:43>> Okay. Did DBC uh, stand for anything in
6:47>> Um, it was
6:49if you want to get more into that, uh,
6:50the people that we brought on as
6:53promoters that supposedly
6:56um, they were from Deerfield Beach
6:58County and that's basically what I
7:00believe from what I can remember
7:02that that was what it was for.
7:04>> Now, when did you start actively working
7:06in this capacity as as a DJ with Roy
7:10>> Um,
7:11>> and this DBC?
7:13>> Well, with DBC or before? Cuz we were
7:15actually still
7:15>> All right, I'm sorry. All right, I'm
7:16sorry. Let's start with before.
7:17>> We actually did start before. Um,
7:20we went to Fusion
7:23and we were there for something else, I
7:25don't remember. Um, but we met with the
7:28owner and we were we approached him and
7:30said, "Hey, we, you know, we're DJs, we
7:34have experience.
7:35Um, we have some contacts with other
7:37promotion companies.
7:39Uh, Uh,
7:40you know, maybe if you're interested,
7:43we could come in and, you know, maybe do
7:46a party on a Friday night.
7:48And, uh, he was all for it. So, that's
7:51basically how that started.
7:53>> When did that start where you were
7:54working, where you were putting on those
7:56shows at Fusion?
7:59>> I want to say that that started
8:01I would think we were in talks in the
8:03end of May and started in June.
8:08>> All right.
8:13And at the same time, you were taking
8:14classes.
8:15>> Yes, sir.
8:16>> All right.
8:17During this time period, did you own a
8:19car?
8:20>> Yes, sir.
8:21>> What time of What type of car did you
8:22own?
8:23>> I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee.
8:26>> What What year?
8:27>> '97.
8:37>> All right.
8:39Again, directing your attention to May
8:41of 2008,
8:43did there come a time when you first
8:45became in contact with a person by the
8:47name of Casey Anthony?
8:49>> Yes, sir.
8:50>> Can you tell the jury,
8:52how that started?
8:55How you met her?
8:56>> Uh, um, I met her on Facebook.
9:01Um, simple friend request and we became
9:04friends.
9:05>> How did you find her on Facebook?
9:08>> Um, I found her
9:10through a Facebook at the time would
9:13show you
9:14um, people in your area or people that
9:16go to school in your area and
9:18would literally pop up and I was like,
9:20oh, well, she seems like she's cool.
9:22Friend request.
9:24>> Uh
9:26Did she immediately respond to you or
9:28did it take some time?
9:29>> I don't recall.
9:31>> Uh, so, talk about, if you would, your
9:33first contacts with her. Was it all
9:35through email?
9:37>> Um probably through Facebook solely
9:40if I can remember.
9:41I don't think anything more than that.
9:43>> And did that continue for a period of
9:45time?
9:45>> Uh I would say so.
9:47>> And how long?
9:49>> I can't I can't recall.
9:51>> A month? 2 weeks?
9:54Anything help you out there?
9:55>> Uh
9:56probably.
9:57Nothing nothing that long.
9:59>> All right.
10:00Did there come a time when it was when
10:02you decided to meet?
10:04>> Uh yeah. Okay. So
10:06first time we ever met in person
10:09uh was at my friend's birthday. Uh his
10:13name was Dan Howard.
10:15This is right around the same time that
10:16I was starting up the DJ company.
10:19Um
10:20>> Was this in Was this in May? I think you
10:22>> This is the end of May.
10:23>> End of May?
10:23>> Mhm. Yes, sir.
10:25Um
10:26and we were throwing a party for him at
10:28one of our friends' houses.
10:31And
10:33I was inviting a ton of people online
10:35and I made a what you would call
10:37Facebook event if you guys are familiar
10:38with Facebook. And literally just would
10:40would
10:42friend quote love send invites to
10:44everyone. And that's basically the whole
10:46point of that
10:47to get a bunch of people to go.
10:49Um and I got a
10:52So that's when she got back to me to go
10:54to the party.
10:56>> So you were expecting her to to be at
10:58that party?
10:59>> No, not until I got her a response.
11:02>> Okay. Well, I'm saying once she
11:03responded you were expecting her to be
11:05at the party.
11:06>> Yes.
11:07>> All right. While you were talking and
11:08discussing
11:10uh did you learn via Facebook did you
11:12learn that she had a child?
11:15>> I believe so.
11:18>> Did you know the child's name at that
11:19time?
11:20>> Um
11:21I can't recall.
11:24>> Do you recall how old she was?
11:27>> Um I just knew that she was a toddler.
11:31>> So you finally met Casey Anthony.
11:33>> Yes, sir.
11:34>> And this is at uh
11:36Daniel Howard's party.
11:37>> Yes, sir.
11:38>> All right. What was your first
11:39impressions of her?
11:40>> Pretty girl.
11:41Um
11:43I mean, I
11:45was kind of going back and forth and I
11:46think she showed up with a bunch of two
11:47of her friends.
11:49Um and
11:51we hit it off.
11:52>> Okay.
11:57Do you recall anything Was Did you Do
11:59you recall anything that you spoke about
12:00on that first meeting?
12:03>> On that first night, I don't
12:05recall what we talked about. Probably
12:07just say, "Hey, how you doing?" Like,
12:08"Nice to meet you."
12:10>> Would it be fair to say that that that
12:12night went well?
12:13>> Yes.
12:14>> All right. Did you make plans to see her
12:16again?
12:17>> Uh
12:17I believe so. Not that night, but again,
12:20yeah, we did make plans.
12:21>> All right. Shortly after.
12:23So shortly after meeting Ms. Anthony,
12:25did you start to see her on a regular
12:27basis?
12:28>> Yes, sir.
12:30>> Uh how would you see her?
12:32>> Um
12:34>> Well, put it this way. Did you go to her
12:35house and pick her up to take her out on
12:37a date?
12:37>> No, she would come over
12:39and uh show up to my apartment.
12:45>> Now, after you When this first started,
12:48how often would she come over to your
12:49house?
12:51>> Um
12:53couple times.
12:56>> Couple of times a week? Couple of times
12:59What does that mean?
13:00>> Uh more or less a couple times a week.
13:03>> All right.
13:04The first time she came over to your
13:05apartment, all right,
13:07did she bring her daughter?
13:09>> Yes.
13:12>> Did the two Did the two of you stay at
13:15the apartment or did you go out?
13:17>> Um
13:19this is the time that she we went to the
13:21pool.
13:23Um
13:24she brought her daughter over and we
13:26went down by the pool.
13:31>> Over the room?
13:34>> Okay.
13:35We went down to the pool.
13:37>> And this is at your apartment complex?
13:38>> Yes, sir.
13:41>> Do you remember when that was?
13:43>> Uh I would say
13:46June 2nd.
13:52>> Do you know what the Arden Villas is?
13:54>> Arden
13:55>> Arden Villas? Mhm.
13:57>> Uh that's not ringing a bell too much,
14:00no.
14:04>> Did you after meeting her at Daniel
14:06Howard's party, do you recall inviting
14:08her to any other party?
14:11>> Um I remember inviting her to a
14:15pool party and perhaps shortly after
14:17that.
14:18>> All right. Did she attend that?
14:20>> Right.
14:22>> I'm sorry, yes?
14:22>> Yes, sir.
14:23>> Did she bring anyone with her to that
14:24party?
14:25>> No, sir.
14:35>> During this time period, the end of May,
14:36beginning of June, did there come a time
14:39when Ms. Anthony stayed over at your
14:41apartment?
14:42>> Um no.
14:55>> During this time period, at the end of
14:57May, beginning of June, were you aware
14:59of what type of car Ms. Anthony drove?
15:03>> Uh yes.
15:04>> What was she driving?
15:05>> A white
15:07um Pontiac.
15:13>> Okay. Directing your attention to June
15:154th of 2008,
15:17uh did you attend a birthday party uh
15:19for a person by the name of Troy Brown?
15:22>> Yes.
15:22>> Who went to that party?
15:23>> Uh me,
15:25Clint,
15:27and Maria.
15:30>> That'd be Maria Kish?
15:31>> Maria Kish, sorry, yes.
15:34>> When you went to that party uh for Troy
15:36Brown, do you remember where that party
15:37was held?
15:38>> Uh Club Voyage.
15:40>> Uh where is Club Voyage?
15:42>> Uh it's downtown, I believe, on Church
15:44Street.
15:46>> When you went to Troy Brown's party uh
15:49on the 4th of June, 2008, who drove?
15:52>> Casey did.
15:54>> What car did you take?
15:56>> Her car.
16:10>> Was it during this time period that you
16:12first met Caylee Anthony?
16:14>> Yes.
16:15>> Where do you recall fir- first meeting
16:17Caylee? Was it your apartment?
16:18>> Right.
16:18>> I think you told us a little bit about
16:20going to a pool.
16:21>> Yes.
16:22>> Uh what else did you Did you ever Did
16:24you see her in any other context?
16:26>> Yes, sir.
16:27Believe another time she came over, and
16:29then also when we went to the mall.
16:33>> What mall did you go to?
16:34>> Went to the Mall at Millenia.
16:36>> All right.
16:36Do you remember the date?
16:38>> Um it was a Friday afternoon.
16:43I want to say
16:4613th.
16:49I can't hold you to that, but I'm pretty
16:50sure it was the 13th cuz it was
16:51definitely before
16:53something because I was promoting for
16:56something I had going on for that
16:58night.
16:58>> order. When you went to the Millenia
17:00Mall, what was the purpose of going to
17:02the mall?
17:03>> I wanted to promote for what was going
17:04on that night.
17:05>> All right. And so, you would have
17:07promoted the event before the event,
17:09correct?
17:10>> Yes.
17:10>> All right.
17:11Sorry.
17:13You would have promoted the event before
17:15actually having the event.
17:17>> Yes, sir.
17:18>> All right.
17:18So,
17:19when you went to the Millennium Mall, I
17:21believe you testified you just testified
17:22that was for the purposes of promoting
17:24the event. How did you do that?
17:26>> Handing out flyers.
17:28>> Just walking around the mall handing
17:29them out?
17:30>> Yes.
17:32>> And when you did that, was the defendant
17:34with you?
17:35>> No.
17:36>> Okay.
17:37Did she go to the mall with you?
17:39>> Yes.
17:40>> Okay.
17:40>> We split up. She and Kaylee walked
17:42around.
17:43>> And you And you handed out the flyers.
17:45>> While I went around handing out flyers.
17:48>> After handing out your flyers, did you
17:50meet up again with the defendant and her
17:53daughter?
17:53>> Yes.
17:54>> What did you do?
17:55>> We went to Cheesecake Factory
17:57and had a late lunch.
18:02>> All right. Do you recall how you got to
18:04the mall?
18:05>> Uh
18:06I believe it was in her car.
18:12>> After having a late lunch at the
18:13Cheesecake Factory, did you return back
18:15to your apartment?
18:16>> Yes, sir.
18:18>> Did the defendant stay with you that
18:19night?
18:20>> No, sir.
18:20>> Did she and Kaylee leave?
18:22>> Yes, sir.
18:23>> Did Kaylee ever spend the night at your
18:25apartment?
18:26>> No, sir.
18:33>> After
18:38the defendant dropped you off at at your
18:40apartment, was that the last time you
18:42saw Kaylee Anthony?
18:43>> Yes, sir.
18:46>> All right.
18:48Now, these
18:50You mentioned before a hip-hop showcase.
18:53>> Mhm?
18:53>> What day of the week are those usually
18:56held?
18:57>> Uh
18:58well, it would be Friday. It's every
19:00Friday, cuz those are the nights that I
19:01was able to do
19:03>> And you testified I'm sorry, I don't
19:05mean to cut you off.
19:06>> I was I was the nights that we had
19:07Fusion. It was Friday nights, Friday
19:09evenings.
19:10>> So, you were promoting
19:12uh
19:13this showcase.
19:15>> Yes, sir.
19:15>> Or the following Friday, or the next
19:17Friday.
19:17>> Right.
19:18>> All right.
19:20And
19:21did you go to Fusion on June 13th of
19:242008?
19:26>> If that was if that's what falls on a
19:27Friday, then yes.
19:29>> Uh and that was for your showcase.
19:31>> Yes, sir.
19:32>> Did the defendant attend that showcase?
19:35>> Yes, sir.
19:40>> Talk a little bit about how you once you
19:42get to the venue, once you get to
19:45Fusion,
19:46are there We heard some testimony about
19:48some shot girls.
19:50Who hires the shot girls?
19:52>> Who hired the shot girls? It was between
19:55a choice between myself,
19:58Clint, and the other two promoters that
20:01were working at the time.
20:04>> And who would instruct the shot girls as
20:07to what their role was and what they
20:10should be doing?
20:11>> Um
20:13it was basically almost everyone told
20:15them what to do. Ultimately, it came
20:17down to
20:18um
20:19the owner
20:21ability to give them because they would
20:22have obviously a bottle. If you're
20:24familiar with how shot girls work,
20:26um
20:27so they would have to buy whatever the
20:29alcohol is and then they'd have to hand
20:31it out themselves. It would be their own
20:33uh
20:35What is What is the better word?
20:37Responsible for what they had in their
20:39hands.
20:40Um
20:42uh
20:43There was I do recall a time
20:45when I said that
20:47to help I guess Casey wanted to help out
20:50and I allowed her to
20:52um
20:53I mean, it's not allow her, but she just
20:55would want to help. So, I was like, "Oh,
20:56well, you could tell the shot girls, you
20:58know, help keep them in line or
20:59whatnot."
21:01What have you.
21:02>> Did she ever express to you that they
21:03had any ideas on what the girls should
21:07be wearing.
21:08>> I don't recall.
21:10>> All right.
21:11Now, in the very beginning of this
21:12relationship with Ms. Anthony, were you
21:14told by her
21:17whether or not she had a job?
21:19>> Yes.
21:20>> Uh and what did she tell you?
21:22>> That she had a daughter.
21:24>> I'm sorry?
21:24>> She had She had a daughter. I don't
21:26really remember the
21:27>> Okay, I'm sorry. Maybe we're getting
21:29lost here in the in the echo.
21:31Uh did she tell you whether or not she
21:32had a job?
21:33>> Oh, she had a job. Uh yes, she had um
21:37a job at Universal Studios.
21:39>> Did she tell you what she did for
21:41Universal Studios?
21:43>> Some of the event planning, I believe.
21:46>> Something with events?
21:47>> Yes.
21:49>> Did she ever, in the beginning part of
21:51this relationship, ever tell you any
21:52details
21:54about her job?
21:56>> Uh throughout the relationship, she
21:57would always talk about specific things
22:00that she had a job, specific people. Um
22:03>> What kind of people would she mention?
22:05>> Uh I I recall I mean, I recall a Jeff. I
22:08recall some other couple of the girls'
22:11names, but I can't remember their names.
22:16>> Did she ever complain about her job?
22:19>> Um I can't remember.
22:23Specifics.
22:25Um I mean,
22:27pretty sure everyone complains on
22:28complain about jobs.
22:29So, she she might have.
22:32>> Did you ever see her with any
22:34identification from Universal Studios?
22:37>> Yes, she would carry it. She would walk
22:38in that the apartment with a Universal
22:40badge.
22:42>> Did it have her picture on it?
22:43>> Yes.
23:00>> When you first met the defendant and you
23:03met Caylee, were you ever
23:06told by the defendant who was taking
23:08care of her child while she went to
23:10work?
23:11>> Uh
23:12her babysitter and her mother.
23:16Either or.
23:17>> Either or?
23:26Did she ever talk to you in with any
23:28specificity about what say what the
23:30babysitter's name was?
23:32>> Uh at that point it was Zanny.
23:40>> And this is in the beginning of the
23:41relationship?
23:42>> Yes, sir.
23:45>> Did she tell you anything about Zanny?
23:48>> Um
23:48>> Did she tell you I'm sorry, let me break
23:50it up. Did she tell you where Zanny
23:51lived?
23:52>> No.
23:53>> Did she tell you if Zanny had any
23:54relatives?
23:56>> No.
23:56>> Did she tell you if Zanny cared for any
23:58other children?
24:00>> Not that I can remember.
24:08>> Did she ever discuss with you when you
24:09first met her
24:11what she paid Zanny?
24:16>> Don't remember.
24:19>> Did she ever tell you when
24:22the nanny would take care of her
24:24and when her mother would take care of
24:26her?
24:28>> Uh
24:32I don't
24:33it would be either or. Um I she would
24:36give specific times of when that she
24:38would say that she was with the nanny.
24:41I don't I don't recall what your
24:42question Your question is does she
24:44specifically specify when this person
24:46would watch this the baby and then this
24:48person would watch baby this day? Is
24:50that what you're saying?
24:51>> Yeah.
24:52>> Oh, no. I don't recall
24:54about that.
24:55>> Your Honor, may I ask the approach the
24:56witness?
24:57>> You may.
24:58>> Thank you.
25:01Mr. Lazaro, we were talking about June
25:0413th, 2008.
25:07You were telling us about a
25:09a hip-hop showcase that you were doing
25:11at Fusion.
25:12>> Yes, sir.
25:13>> Um
25:16To your recollection, was that the first
25:18time
25:20that the defendant went to Fusion with
25:22you?
25:23>> Yes, sir.
25:26>> Um
25:27Can we uh
25:37I'm showing what's been marked
25:39as State's Exhibit, I believe it's BK.
25:43Uh do you
25:45recognize that photograph?
25:47>> Yes, sir.
25:47>> All right. What is that a picture of?
25:49>> That's a picture of myself and Casey.
25:52>> All right.
25:53Um
25:54I notice in this picture, both
25:57are you guys standing or sitting?
25:59>> We're sitting.
26:00>> And
26:03does that picture
26:05was that picture taken in June of 2008?
26:08>> Yes, sir.
26:09>> All right. Is there a way for you
26:12looking at that picture
26:14able to tell us
26:17whether this picture was taken on June
26:1913th, 2008, June 20th of 2008, or June
26:2227th of 2008?
26:25>> It would be it would have to be the
26:27early June
26:28because when I started first started
26:30promoting, I would always wear a tie. Um
26:34As
26:35the month went by, I just
26:37aced the tie.
26:39So, it had to be June 13th.
26:42>> Is that a fair and accurate
26:44representation of what you and the
26:46defendant look like on June 13th of
26:482008?
26:50>> Yes, sir.
26:52>> Your Honor, at this time the state would
26:53move what was previously marked for
26:54identification BK into evidence as
26:58state's number five, I believe.
27:01>> Six.
27:03>> Or six.
27:05>> I just want to see these photos cuz I
27:07believe the last one was only
27:10>> Okay.
27:11>> addressed to the other photos.
27:12>> You can approach the side.
27:21Okay, objection will be noted. Objection
27:24will be overruled. You may proceed, Mr.
27:26George. You offer that into evidence?
27:29>> Yes, and and just so the record is
27:31clear, I believe I misspoke and asked
27:32that it be entered into as state's
27:34number five. I believe that number
27:35should be
27:35>> Don't worry about what number it is. The
27:37clerk will tell us what number it is.
27:39Just offer it in the evidence with your
27:41identification number.
27:42>> Very good. At this time, Judge, may may
27:44I publish them?
27:46>> Okay, it will be received in
27:48evidence over objections. Madam Clerk,
27:51would you announce the exhibit number,
27:53please?
27:54>> State's exhibit
27:55number six.
27:57>> You may proceed, Mr. George. You may
27:59publish it.
27:59>> Thank you, sir.
28:06All right. Was this Was this showcase a
28:09success for you?
28:11>> Uh from what I remember, yeah.
28:14>> And you had a few more coming up,
28:15correct?
28:16>> Yes, sir.
28:19>> Now, after this
28:23showcase, did the defendant return to
28:27your apartment with you?
28:30>> Uh yes.
28:35>> Was she able
28:36Did she stay over with you that night?
28:39>> Yes.
28:43>> Was this the first time that she stayed
28:45over with you.
28:48>> Um
28:50I believe so, yes.
28:51>> I'm sorry?
28:52>> Definitely, yes.
28:53>> Okay.
29:01Now, did there come a time
29:03after June 13th
29:05that the defendant began spending
29:08more time with you?
29:11>> Yes, mid to late June definitely she
29:13would stay over.
29:15>> All right.
29:16Was there a time during this time period
29:19after your Fusion Hip Hop Showcase where
29:21the defendant basically lived with you?
29:26>> You could say that.
29:28>> I can say that. Would you say that?
29:30>> Yes, sir.
29:30>> All right.
29:33Did she spend
29:36Did she come to spend every night with
29:38you?
29:39>> Yes.
29:45>> Directing your attention to June 16th of
29:472008, did you see the defendant that
29:51day?
29:52>> Yes.
29:53>> Approximately what time do you recall
29:55seeing her that day?
29:56>> In the evening.
29:57>> Was it early evening? Late evening?
29:59>> Uh late evening.
30:02>> Somewhere around there?
30:04>> What's that?
30:05>> Somewhere around I'm sorry.
30:06>> I would say anywhere after 6:30, 7:00.
30:09>> Okay.
30:10Uh do you recall going to a Blockbuster
30:12Video?
30:13>> Yes, sir.
30:15>> Did you go to that Blockbuster with with
30:17the defendant?
30:18>> Yes, sir.
30:20>> Your Honor, may I approach with the
30:21stipulation?
30:22>> You may.
30:40>> Mr. Bias
30:41>> Yes, sir. It is stipulated that we
30:43stipulate.
30:45>> Okay, you want me to read it into the
30:46record?
30:49You want me to read it into the record,
30:51Mr.
30:52>> Would you please, sir?
30:55>> Stipulation between the state of Florida
30:58and the defense, Casey Marie Anthony.
31:01The copy of the video surveillance and
31:04still photographs taken from the video
31:06recorded
31:07at Blockbuster
31:09Video on June 16th, 2008
31:13at 19:54
31:17.26 hours are true and accurate
31:20representation
31:22of the business records of Blockbuster
31:25Video.
31:26The parties have agreed to this fact and
31:29it should be considered as true in your
31:32deliberations.
31:34Stipulation will be filed here in open
31:36court
31:37with the clerk.
31:39You may proceed, Mr. George.
31:42>> Thank you, sir.
31:45Uh Your Honor, uh at this time unless
31:47this was already done, we would we would
31:49move uh
31:50the s- the uh
31:53DVD of the video into evidence.
31:55>> What is the identification number, Mr.
31:57George?
31:58>> I'm sorry.
32:00L E
32:02L E
32:03>> Based upon the stipulation, is there any
32:06objections? Any additional objections?
32:08>> Yes, sir. We
32:10would really want to object to this on
32:11the grounds of it
32:12>> Okay.
32:13Noting that and noting the stipulation
32:15as is what it purports, but noting the
32:17other grounds, it will be received in
32:19evidence
32:21as what, Madam Clerk?
32:22>> State's exhibit number seven.
32:26>> You may
32:27proceed, Mr. George. You wish to publish
32:29it?
32:31>> I wish I Yes, I do, sir.
32:32>> You may proceed.
32:33>> Thank you.
32:48>> Do I have to punch in the wall, too?
32:52No.
32:55Okay, so I did it.
33:15You know what it's not.
33:20All right, you stop it there.
33:24Um, Mr. Lozada, do you see what's on the
33:25screen there?
33:26>> Yes.
33:28>> It's timestamped at at Well, I'm not
33:30timestamped, but the marker on it is is
33:3320
33:34.0.
33:35>> Okay.
33:35>> All right. Do you recognize yourself in
33:38that video?
33:40>> Yeah, that's the Marbury jersey.
33:42>> I'm sorry?
33:42>> That's my Stephon Marbury jersey.
33:44>> All right.
33:45And
33:46>> Stephon Marbury jersey.
33:49He's a He's a player for the Knicks.
33:53Sorry.
33:55Yeah, that's big.
33:56>> So, you recognize yourself.
33:58>> Yes, sir.
33:58>> All right. You have your arm and you
34:00have your arms around
34:02somebody. Who do you have your arms
34:03around?
34:04>> Casey.
34:06>> Casey Anthony?
34:07>> Yes, sir.
34:09>> And And this is on June 16th of 2008.
34:12>> Yes, sir.
34:13>> All right.
34:14When you went to Blockbuster with her
34:17that night, do you Can you
34:19How would you describe her demeanor?
34:23>> The
34:24The way she was every day.
34:26>> Which was?
34:27>> Happy.
34:28Happy to see me.
34:30Having a grand old time.
34:34>> On this date,
34:36at any time that you saw her that night,
34:39did she ever
34:41cry?
34:42>> No.
34:43>> Did she ever act scared?
34:45>> Nope.
34:46>> Did she ever act nervous?
34:47>> No.
34:49>> Did she tell you that her
34:51daughter had gone missing?
34:54>> No.
34:55>> Did she tell you anything about
34:57that there was something wrong with her?
35:00>> No.
35:00>> Or that something had happened to her?
35:02>> No.
35:04>> Was there any difference in this woman's
35:07attitude this night than it was for any
35:09other previous time that you had seen
35:11her?
35:12>> No.
35:25>> Did she stay over that night?
35:27>> Yes, sir.
35:28>> And from there on, did she stay with
35:30you?
35:31>> Yes.
35:32>> When she came over during this time
35:35period of June 16th, did she bring a
35:36suitcase?
35:39>> Uh I do not recall at that time.
35:41>> Do you recall any of
35:44Caylee's clothes being there?
35:46>> No.
35:47>> Any of Caylee's toys?
35:49>> No.
35:50>> Stuffed animals?
35:51>> Nope.
35:52>> Books?
35:53>> Uh maybe a book.
35:55>> Okay.
35:56Any toiletries
35:58for Caylee?
35:59>> No.
36:04>> On this night, did you
36:07Do you recall her speaking with Caylee
36:09on the phone?
36:11>> Not that I recall.
36:12>> Do you recall her speaking with
36:14her parents on the phone?
36:16>> I
36:17Uh like I said in previous statements,
36:19every time she ever would talk on the
36:20phone, she'd go outside.
36:22It was
36:24That's about it.
36:25>> Well, this is while she was staying with
36:26you, correct?
36:26>> Correct.
36:27>> and we'll get to that. But on this
36:28particular night, do you recall her
36:30calling anybody?
36:31>> No, I do not recall.
36:33>> While she was with you?
36:35>> Yes, sir.
36:36>> Uh
36:37be a fair statement that on this
36:39particular by this date by June 16th,
36:41this was still a rather new
36:43relationship?
36:44>> Yes, sir.
36:45>> Did you care for her?
36:47>> For
36:47>> For the
36:48>> Casey?
36:48>> Yeah.
36:49>> All right.
36:50And as far as the relationship was going
36:52right then and there, was was it going
36:54well?
36:55>> Yes, sir.
36:56>> Had you had any fights?
36:58>> No.
36:58>> Disagreements?
36:59>> No.
37:07>> The follow- I'm sorry, she stayed the
37:08night that night, correct?
37:10>> Yes, sir.
37:11>> The following day, um did you spend with
37:13her?
37:14>> Yes, I did.
37:15>> Did you go to classes?
37:17>> No, I played hooky.
37:18>> You played hooky?
37:19>> Yes, sir.
37:20>> Why'd you play hooky?
37:21>> Uh
37:24didn't feel like leaving my bed.
37:27>> Didn't feel like what?
37:28>> Didn't feel like leaving my bed.
37:31>> You'd rather spend your day with Casey?
37:34>> Yes.
37:36>> Uh
37:37during this time period, did you uh what
37:39was your phone number?
37:41>> I've changed it so many times.
37:44I can't recall that one. It was an 818
37:46number.
37:48>> Do you recall whether or not just to go
37:50back for a second back to the 16th
37:52before you saw her at the Blockbuster,
37:54did you talk to her on the phone?
37:56>> Yes.
37:56>> Okay. Approximately Yeah, I know any
37:58idea how many times?
38:01>> I can't recall how many times.
38:02>> Do you know when you spoke with her in
38:04relation to when you saw her?
38:06Did you
38:07talk to her right before
38:09>> I had been right I would say right
38:10before.
38:13>> Uh
38:13during this day
38:15before you went to Blockbuster, do you
38:17recall texting texting her?
38:21>> Uh not that I remember.
38:25>> All right, so June 17th, you played
38:27hockey?
38:28>> Yes, sir.
38:30>> Do you recall what you guys did?
38:33>> Stayed in my bedroom.
38:37>> During that day, was there any change in
38:40the defendant's demeanor?
38:42>> No.
38:43>> Did she appear to be happy to be with
38:45you?
38:46>> Yes.
38:47>> Did she so relate that?
38:49That she was happy to be with you?
38:51>> Yes.
38:52>> Did she give you any indication that
38:54there was anything wrong?
38:56>> No.
38:56>> Did she say anything about her daughter?
39:00>> Not that I can remember.
39:02>> Do you recall while you spent the entire
39:04day with her on June 17th that she
39:07attempted to call her daughter?
39:09>> No.
39:10>> Do you recall while you were with her on
39:12June 17th whether or not she ever called
39:14anybody?
39:16In your presence.
39:18>> Uh, yeah, not in my presence.
39:26>> You spend the day with You spend the
39:27entire day and night with her on the
39:2817th?
39:29>> Yes, sir.
39:31>> How about June 18th? Did you spend the
39:32day with her then?
39:34>> Uh,
39:35I probably went to class.
39:37>> Okay.
39:38When you went to class, what was your
39:40understanding about what the defendant
39:41was doing?
39:42>> She'd either go to school, go see
39:44Caylee,
39:46um,
39:47or whatever she would do. I you know,
39:49she's a free woman.
39:50>> Did you say I'm sorry, did you say she
39:52went to school?
39:53>> What she would go to work, she would
39:55wherever she would have to go.
39:57>> Did she tell you where she had to go?
39:59>> Not that I can remember.
40:01It was a known fact of where she would
40:03go. It was an assumption.
40:06>> Again, you were understanding she would
40:08have a job.
40:09>> I had an understanding that she had a
40:09job, yes.
40:14>> Uh,
40:16you had indicated earlier from your
40:17testimony that your lease was going to
40:19run out at the end of August.
40:21>> Yes, sir.
40:22>> Is that correct?
40:23>> Yes.
40:24>> Uh were you looking for another place to
40:26live?
40:26>> Yes.
40:27>> Directing your attention to June 19th,
40:30did you go looking for an apartment on
40:32that date?
40:32>> Yes, sir.
40:33>> Did you go with the defendant?
40:35>> Yes, sir.
40:35>> Do you remember what apartment you went
40:37to look at?
40:38>> Objection, irrelevant.
40:41>> Overruled at this point.
40:44>> Uh
40:45the place that I originally then I where
40:47I potentially moved into Crane's
40:49Landing.
40:51>> Where is that in relation to where you
40:53were living at the time?
40:54>> Um
40:54>> close?
40:55>> Yes.
40:56>> How close?
40:56>> Around the block, basically.
40:59>> And when you went to check out this
41:01apartment, uh
41:03who were you planning on living with?
41:05>> Um Nathan Lesnevich and my friend Brian.
41:10>> Uh when you went to check out this
41:12apartment, did you bring the defendant
41:13with you?
41:14>> Yes.
41:15>> Uh did you both look at the apartment?
41:17>> Uh no, I didn't.
41:19>> How come she didn't?
41:20>> Um
41:22I believe she didn't have identification
41:25on her.
41:30>> During this time period,
41:32um
41:32where was your understanding about the
41:35defendant's living arrangements? Where
41:37did she live?
41:39>> She was living at home.
41:42>> Uh did she at this time give you any
41:44indication that she was not going to be
41:46living at home?
41:47>> Yes, she was always talking about her
41:49and Amy was going to get the uh
41:51Anthony's home because they were going
41:53to move out.
41:55Or they were going to go get their
41:56selves their own apartment.
42:00>> Did they tell Did she tell you during
42:01this time period when the Anthony's were
42:03supposedly moving out of their home?
42:06>> Uh I can't recall the exact time.
42:09But it was all relevant to that at that
42:11point. What
42:12>> what?
42:12>> It was all relevant to that at time
42:14frame.
42:15>> All right.
42:17Uh you mentioned the word Amy. Who is
42:19Who is this Amy that you're talking
42:20about?
42:20>> Amy Huzenga, I believe, was one of her
42:24friends.
42:24>> When you first heard this name, had you
42:26met this woman yet?
42:28>> Um no.
42:29>> All right.
42:31So
42:33>> I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No,
42:35I met She came the night I met Casey.
42:37>> All right.
42:41So the defendant was going to live with
42:43Amy.
42:43>> Yes.
42:44>> Either in the home or in another
42:45apartment.
42:46>> Correct.
42:47>> All right.
42:49Again, during this time period, did she
42:51tell you about her home life?
42:53>> Um
42:53>> Did she say anything about her dad?
42:56>> Uh not at that time.
42:57>> All right. Did she say anything about
42:58her relationship with her mother?
43:00>> Um
43:03Not that I can recall at that point in
43:05time.
43:06>> Okay. Right now everything is just
43:08pretty good.
43:08>> Yes, sir.
43:09>> All right.
43:10Um
43:12Well, let's put it this way.
43:13By the 18th of June,
43:17were you and and the defendant sharing
43:20secrets?
43:22>> Um
43:24>> Well, I mean, were you sharing any of
43:26your secrets?
43:27>> Not that I can remember.
43:28>> All right. This was a new relationship.
43:30>> Yes, sir.
43:31>> All right.
43:35All right. So
43:37June 19th, you look for an apartment. Uh
43:40June
43:4220th.
43:45This is uh
43:47Did you go to Fusion again that night?
43:49>> Yes, sir.
43:50>> All right. Was this another hip-hop
43:51showcase?
43:52>> Yes.
43:53>> All right. And again, this is something
43:55that you promoted?
43:56>> Yes, sir.
43:57>> Did the defendant go with you?
44:00>> Yes, sir.
44:03>> Uh during this hip-hop showcase,
44:07did anything different happen than
44:09happened the last time?
44:11>> Yes.
44:1320th, there was a hot body contest that
44:17happened.
44:18>> Was the hot body contest something that
44:19had been promoted beforehand?
44:23>> I I can't recall if it was promoted
44:25beforehand, but
44:26it definitely was I want to say maybe a
44:29last-minute decision.
44:33>> All right. And when you got there, what
44:36did
44:39Were there enough people to have a hot
44:41body contest?
44:43>> More or less.
44:44>> All right.
44:45At some point, was
44:47the defendant asked to participate in
44:49that contest?
44:51>> Uh yes.
44:52>> Who asked her to participate?
44:54>> Um I actually I wasn't present for it.
44:57Uh I was actually notified by her that
44:59she was going to do it and I was like,
45:01"Oh, I guess okay. If you want to do it,
45:03you want to do it."
45:05>> Did you have any objections to that?
45:10>> I move for it to be stricken.
45:12>> As to hearsay, it'll be overruled.
45:17>> He just testified as to information he
45:19was given.
45:21>> Sir, who gave you that information?
45:24>> Casey did.
45:25>> Okay. Judge, I'll overrule.
45:28>> Uh She told you she was going to
45:30participate in this contest.
45:31>> Yes, sir.
45:32>> Did you have any objection to her doing
45:33so?
45:34>> Uh I can't recall. I maybe hesitated for
45:36a second, but I just said, "Hey, if you
45:38want to do it, you want to do it." So.
45:42>> Uh Now, you were actually present for
45:44the contest, were you not?
45:45>> Yes, sir.
45:46>> All right.
45:46And
45:48uh
45:50I don't know if we talked about this
45:50before, but since this is your showcase,
45:53uh
45:54what is your role?
45:56>> My whole role that I took um
46:00was basically make sure that nothing got
46:02out of hand.
46:04Um uh
46:06That was basically it. I made sure that,
46:09you know, no one was harassing the
46:11bartenders. Um
46:14basically like head security, if you
46:16want to say, more or less, of the night.
46:19>> Did you entertain?
46:21>> No, I did not.
46:22>> Okay.
46:32All right.
46:33I'm showing you what's been marked for
46:34identification BR Actually, I'm not
46:36showing you anything.
46:54Do you have a picture on your screen,
46:55sir?
46:55>> Yes, sir.
46:56>> All right.
46:57I'm showing what's been marked for
46:58identification BR. Do you recognize that
47:02photograph?
47:03>> Yes, sir.
47:03>> All right. What is that a photograph of?
47:06>> That is a photograph of
47:09the hot body contest going on.
47:11>> I'm sorry?
47:12>> The hot body contest going on.
47:13>> Okay.
47:15Do you recognize the
47:18Do you recognize Casey Anthony?
47:19>> Yes, sir.
47:20>> All right.
47:21Uh what is she wearing?
47:22>> A blue dress.
47:24>> All right. Is that the same dress that
47:25she came to the
47:28showcase in?
47:29>> Yes.
47:30>> All right.
47:31Um I know the picture's kind of cut off,
47:33but can you tell who's singing there?
47:35>> That is Clint.
47:37>> Clint House?
47:38>> War House. War House, yes.
47:40>> All right.
47:41And you were present while this was
47:42going on.
47:43>> Yes, sir.
47:44>> Does this appear to be a fair and
47:45accurate representation of the defendant
47:48participating in the contest on June
47:5120th, 2008?
47:52>> Yes, sir.
47:53>> All right.
47:55Your Honor, at this time the state would
47:56move uh this exhibit uh BR into evidence
48:01as the state's next in line.
48:04>> Mr. Baez?
48:05>> Yes, sir. We object. We renew our
48:06previous motions and objections of 403,
48:09404.5, and 803.
48:36>> Noting previous objections, objection
48:38was will be overruled and received into
48:41evidence.
48:42>> Thank you, Judge. Um
48:45Thank you.
48:46Your honor, at this time may I publish
48:48state's exhibit number eight?
48:49>> You may publish it to the jury.
48:51>> Thank you, sir.
48:56On this night, sir,
48:59did you notice any difference in Casey
49:02Anthony's demeanor as you had any other
49:04previous time that you'd spent with her?
49:06>> Nope.
49:08No, sir.
49:11>> At any time during this night,
49:14did she ever tell you that her child was
49:16missing?
49:16>> No, sir.
49:19>> Had been kidnapped?
49:20>> No, sir.
49:22>> Was actively looking for her?
49:24>> No, sir.
49:25>> Asked you for help?
49:27>> Nope.
49:28>> Did she ever tell you during this night
49:30that she needed help?
49:33>> No.
49:33>> That something had happened to her?
49:36>> Nope.
49:36>> Thank you.
49:40>> Sir, when you say nope,
49:42you mean yes?
49:45When you use the word nope,
49:47>> uh I mean no.
49:48>> Okay, thank you.
49:49>> Sorry.
49:50>> No problem.
49:53>> Let me a little bit. You had said that
49:55you'd had a lot of different phone
49:56numbers.
49:57>> Yes, sir.
49:58>> During this time frame, did you have a
50:01a phone number with a 631 in it?
50:03>> Yes.
50:03>> Okay.
50:05>> I only had different phone numbers
50:07because of her media harassment.
50:08>> Because of what?
50:09>> Media harassment.
50:11>> All right.
50:12But up until that time, you used that
50:14>> Yeah, that was the same I had one phone
50:15number at that time, yes.
50:17>> And was that a 631 number?
50:19>> Yes, sir.
50:20>> Very good. Thank you.
50:25All right. So, was that hip-hop showcase
50:27a success?
50:29>> Yes.
50:30>> All right.
50:30Uh and
50:32the defendant came home with you?
50:34>> Yes, sir.
50:42>> Was there, directing your attention to
50:44June 23rd, was there a time during that
50:47particular date that the defendant uh
50:49notified you that she had
50:52run out of gas?
50:53>> Yes, sir.
50:54>> All right.
50:57Approximately what time, if you recall,
51:01did she let you know this?
51:03>> Mid-afternoon, late afternoon.
51:05>> Were you in class or were you at home?
51:08>> I was at home.
51:10>> I'm sorry?
51:10>> Home. I was at the apartment.
51:12>> Had you been to class that morning?
51:14>> Yes.
51:19>> What do you recall her telling you when
51:20she called you?
51:21>> That she ran out of gas and she needed
51:23to get picked up.
51:25>> Uh
51:25when she told you she ran out of gas,
51:27did she sound frantic?
51:29>> No.
51:30>> Scared?
51:31>> No.
51:32>> Worried?
51:33>> No.
51:33>> Angry?
51:34>> No.
51:35>> Okay.
51:36She just asked you for some help?
51:37>> Yes, sir.
51:38>> All right. Did you have any problem
51:39giving her that help?
51:40>> No.
51:41>> What did you do?
51:42>> I went to where she told me she was and
51:46I picked her up.
51:47>> All right. What did she tell you she
51:48was?
51:49>> That she was walking on
51:52I can't remember the name of the road.
51:53It's the main road that is going south
51:56towards her house.
51:59>> How long did it take you to get there?
52:01>> I can't recall how long.
52:03Whatever it would take me from going
52:05from the apartment to that area.
52:09>> Did you talk to her on the phone while
52:11you were while you were going to meet
52:13her?
52:15>> I would believe so.
52:19Yes.
52:19>> When you picked her up, did she have uh
52:24Was she on the street?
52:25>> Yes.
52:26>> Did she have anything with her?
52:27>> A backpack.
52:31>> Was that a backpack that you had seen
52:33before?
52:35>> I can't remember.
52:40>> After picking her up, where did you go?
52:43>> Uh she said she had gas at her house.
52:47>> Her house?
52:48>> went to her house to get gas.
52:49>> Had you ever been to her house before?
52:53>> I don't think so. No.
52:55>> Did she direct you on how to get there?
52:58>> Yes.
52:59>> When you got there, uh where did you
53:01park?
53:03>> In the driveway.
53:04>> You were driving your Jeep?
53:05>> Yes, sir.
53:07>> When you got there, were there any other
53:09cars in the driveway?
53:10>> No.
53:13>> Upon getting in upon getting out of the
53:15car, where did you go?
53:17>> To her backyard.
53:19>> Did you ever go into the garage?
53:22>> Yes.
53:23>> Did you go to the garage before you went
53:25to the side of the house?
53:27>> Yes.
53:28>> How did you get into the garage?
53:31>> She opened it.
53:32>> How did she open it?
53:33>> I
53:34I believe she had a keypad or garage
53:37opener. I can't remember.
53:39>> When the garage door opened,
53:44were there any other cars in the garage?
53:46>> No.
53:48>> Did you go into the Anthony home?
53:51>> Uh
53:52if I went through the garage, if there
53:53was a I can't remember if there was a
53:54door to the backyard or if you had to go
53:56through the house to get to the
53:57backyard.
53:59Either way, we went to the backyard.
54:01>> I understand you went to the backyard.
54:02I'm asking you if you recall ever
54:04walking or being inside of the Anthony
54:06home.
54:06>> No, I don't recall.
54:07>> All right.
54:09You went to the side of the house.
54:10>> Yes.
54:11>> Where did you go?
54:12>> To a shed.
54:16>> And when you got to the shed, what did
54:18you do?
54:19>> We had to open up the shed cuz the shed
54:21that's where the gas cans were.
54:24So, and there was a lock.
54:25>> Did you use a key?
54:26>> No, she said she didn't have a key, so
54:28we had to break the lock.
54:30>> How did you break the lock?
54:31>> With a tire iron from my truck.
54:34>> Were you concerned about doing this at
54:35all?
54:36>> Yes, I was.
54:38>> What did you say?
54:39>> Uh
54:40I was like, "Are you sure you want me to
54:41break the lock?" And she was like,
54:42"Yeah, you know, she it's okay. You
54:44know, it's my shed." So.
54:47>> Did you suggest calling
54:49Did you suggest to the defendant that
54:51maybe she could call her mom or dad?
54:55>> Let's rephrase
54:56Let's rephrase the question.
54:58>> Sure. Did you suggest any other
54:59alternatives other than breaking the
55:01lock on the shed?
55:03>> No, I believed her I believed her word.
55:08>> So, you got a tire iron out of your car.
55:10>> Yes, sir.
55:11>> Did you Were you the one that actually
55:12broke the lock?
55:13>> Yes, sir.
55:15>> How many gas cans did you take out of
55:16the shed?
55:17>> Two.
55:19>> The gas cans that you took, uh
55:22did they have gas in them?
55:24>> Yes.
55:26>> And where did And what did you do with
55:28those gas cans after taking them from
55:30the shed?
55:31>> Grabbed the gas cans, put it in my
55:32truck, and then she directed me to where
55:34her car was.
55:38>> When you got to where her car was,
55:40did you give her the gas cans?
55:42>> We took them out, yes.
55:43>> All right.
55:44Uh who put the gas into the car?
55:46>> Casey did.
55:47>> After she put the gas in the car,
55:50what did she do with the gas cans?
55:54>> She put them in the trunk.
55:57>> And again, what kind of car did she have
55:58at this time?
55:59>> A Pontiac.
56:01>> Okay. White?
56:02>> White.
56:02>> All right.
56:03You saw her put the gas cans in the
56:04trunk.
56:05>> Yes.
56:06>> All right.
56:07Uh
56:09when she opened the trunk, did you see
56:11inside of it?
56:12>> No.
56:16>> From there, where did you all go?
56:19>> Back to my apartment.
56:24>> Was there Did the defendant express any
56:27concern with
56:29breaking into the shed?
56:31>> No.
56:34>> When you got back to the apartment,
56:37did her mood change at all?
56:39>> No.
56:39>> Was she okay?
56:41>> Mhm. Yes.
56:42>> You say yes or no?
56:43>> Yes.
56:43>> Okay.
56:49Did you spend the rest of the evening
56:50with her?
56:52>> Yes.
56:53>> You had mentioned a few moments ago that
56:55about telephone calls.
56:56>> Yes.
56:57>> Do you recall having or witnessing or
56:59being present when the defendant
57:03took or answered a telephone call?
57:07>> No.
57:09>> What happened when she took a phone
57:10call?
57:11>> She'd go outside.
57:13>> Uh could you see her outside?
57:16>> Uh sometimes she'd be walking around. Uh
57:19you could see from my apartment there
57:20was like a balcony,
57:22um and you could see there was a
57:22retention pond back there, and then
57:24there was like grassy area, and she you
57:26could see sometimes her walking around
57:28out there.
57:31>> Did you find it odd that she would leave
57:34the apartment every time she took a
57:36phone call?
57:38>> Yes. Yes and no, but I didn't question
57:40it because
57:42I figured it was a private matter maybe
57:44with her mom.
57:45>> Why do you think it might have been a
57:47private matter with her mom?
57:48>> Sometimes cuz she would say sometimes
57:50she'd have to go talk to her mother.
57:53>> When she came back from these
57:54conversations,
57:56was there ever a difference in or change
57:58of mood?
58:00>> No.
58:01>> Did she ever give you any details about
58:03what they spoke about?
58:05>> No, I never got details.
58:08>> In your presence, did the defendant ever
58:12say to you
58:13that I'm going to call
58:16the babysitter?
58:17>> Yes.
58:19>> And did she call the babysitter or did
58:21she dial a phone?
58:23>> She would grab the phone, go outside.
58:24That's how she would go to dial phone
58:27numbers, so
58:28whether she actually was on the phone or
58:30just speak, I don't know.
58:32>> All right. You That was my next
58:33question.
58:33>> recollection, that she would go outside
58:35to use the phone. Sorry.
58:38>> Did she ever tell you about any
58:39arguments that she had with her mom?
58:42>> Um I don't remember anything specific.
58:45>> Okay.
58:46Do you ever remember her mood
58:48drastically changing after she
58:50purportedly spoke with her mom?
58:52>> No.
58:53Not drastically. Would be what you would
58:55normally if you had any kind of
58:57altercation with your parents,
58:59but not a severe one.
59:01>> Did she ever give you any details about
59:03what they were talking about?
59:05>> Nor did I want to inquire. Wasn't my
59:07business.
59:14>> Do you ever recall her
59:17>> Um strike that.
59:21>> Did she give you any indication about
59:23what her home life was like?
59:26>> Um it wasn't until later
59:29right before um
59:31New York, I moved I went back to New
59:33York for vacation. She
59:35one time mentioned
59:36>> Okay, when did you go to New York?
59:39>> June 30th to the 5th of July.
59:42>> The conversations or the talks that you
59:44had, was that after you came back?
59:47>> Yes.
59:48>> All right.
1:00:02June, directing your attention to June
1:00:0426th of 2008, did the defendant spend
1:00:07the day with you on that day?
1:00:08>> Yes, sir.
1:00:09>> Uh do you recall anything that you might
1:00:11have done that day?
1:00:13>> Not anything specific.
1:00:14>> Just hanging out at the apartment?
1:00:16>> Mhm.
1:00:17>> Yes?
1:00:17>> Yes, I'm sorry. Yes.
1:00:20>> All right.
1:00:21>> Bad habit.
1:00:22>> Directing your attention to June 27th of
1:00:252008.
1:00:29Uh
1:00:30did
1:00:31was there another occasion in which the
1:00:33defendant called you to notify you that
1:00:35she had run out of gas?
1:00:36>> Yes.
1:00:37>> Approximately what time did that happen?
1:00:40>> Midday, right before midday.
1:00:43>> Did she tell you where she was?
1:00:45>> Yes, she said that she was at an Amscot.
1:00:49>> Did she tell you where?
1:00:51>> At the end of Goldenrod Road.
1:00:54>> All right. Were you familiar with that
1:00:55area?
1:00:56>> Yes.
1:00:57>> Did you know where to go?
1:00:58>> Yes.
1:00:59>> And did you go and pick up the
1:01:00defendant?
1:01:01>> Yes, sir.
1:01:02>> When you picked up when you pulled you
1:01:04pulled into the Amscot parking lot?
1:01:05>> Yes, sir.
1:01:06>> Did you ever get out of the car?
1:01:08>> No.
1:01:09>> When you pulled into the Amscot parking
1:01:10lot,
1:01:11uh was the defendant in the car or
1:01:14outside of the car?
1:01:14>> Outside of the car.
1:01:16>> When she was outside of the car, did she
1:01:17have anything in her hand?
1:01:19>> Um
1:01:20bags, groceries.
1:01:22>> Uh was that already in her hand or did
1:01:24you go into the car and collect it?
1:01:26>> No, it was already outside of the car.
1:01:28>> All right.
1:01:29I'm sorry, how many bags What did she
1:01:31have?
1:01:33>> Groceries.
1:01:34>> Just groceries. I don't
1:01:35want to itemize them for you.
1:01:36All right.
1:01:38When she got into the car,
1:01:40did she tell you Did she express any
1:01:44anger for having run out of gas again?
1:01:46>> I said the car broke down and I said,
1:01:49"Do you want me to look at it?" She said
1:01:51that, "No, don't worry. My father will
1:01:52take care of it."
1:01:53>> Okay. So, she didn't tell you the car
1:01:55ran out of gas. She She told you it
1:01:56broke down.
1:01:57>> Yes.
1:01:58>> All right.
1:01:59Are you mechanically inclined?
1:02:01>> Well, no, no, no. Like, no.
1:02:04Uh
1:02:05Sorry.
1:02:05>> engines?
1:02:06>> Uh no. I do know some oil and I change
1:02:09the oil and then check gaskets and see
1:02:11if something's wrong, something's
1:02:12overheating.
1:02:14>> And that's what you offered to do.
1:02:15>> Yes.
1:02:15>> And what did And what did the defendant
1:02:17say when you offered to help look at the
1:02:19car?
1:02:20>> That her father would take care of it.
1:02:27>> After she
1:02:30After you picked her up, did you go back
1:02:32to the apartment?
1:02:32>> Yes, sir.
1:02:33>> Did you drop off the groceries?
1:02:35>> Yes, sir.
1:02:38>> Later on that day on the 27th, did you
1:02:41go to the Fashion Square Mall with the
1:02:44defendant?
1:02:46>> Uh yes.
1:02:48>> Your Honor, may I approach with a
1:02:49another stipulation?
1:02:50>> Yes, you may.
1:03:04You had a chance to
1:03:06examine the stipulation which bears your
1:03:08signature.
1:03:11Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I will read
1:03:13you the stipulation between the state
1:03:15and the defense.
1:03:17The copy of the video surveillance
1:03:19recorded at J.C. Penney's on June 27th,
1:03:242008 is a true and accurate
1:03:26representation of the business records
1:03:29of J.C. Penney.
1:03:31The parties have agreed to this fact and
1:03:34it should be considered as true in your
1:03:36deliberations.
1:03:40>> Thank you, Your
1:03:41>> File the stipulation here in open court.
1:03:44>> Your Honor, at this time I would the
1:03:46state would move what's been previously
1:03:47marked for identification LF, which is a
1:03:50CD or DVD of the J.C. Penney video, into
1:03:54evidence as the state's next in line.
1:03:56>> What says the defense?
1:03:58>> We object
1:03:59as well, Your Honor.
1:04:01>> As to the issue of relevancy, objection
1:04:04will be uh denied.
1:04:06It will be received in evidence.
1:04:12Mr. Baiachi, you got to turn your
1:04:14microphone
1:04:15>> know if you want me to turn it
1:04:16>> I know.
1:04:17>> It's muffled down on the bottom of my
1:04:19papers.
1:04:20Uh
1:04:22We also object to 400 under 403, 404.5,
1:04:26and 803, Judge.
1:04:28>> I note and note objections. They will be
1:04:30overruled. It will be admitted in
1:04:32evidence as state's numbered
1:04:35>> State's number nine.
1:04:41And Your Honor, at this time the state
1:04:42would would move would ask to publish
1:04:45the state's number nine.
1:04:46>> You may publish state's number nine.
1:06:18>> Let's stop it there for a second.
1:06:20>> I'm in.
1:06:21>> Uh, sir, do you recognize yourself in
1:06:23that video?
1:06:24>> Yes, sir.
1:06:25>> Well, where are you?
1:06:26>> I am the one
1:06:29What?
1:06:30I can use the screen?
1:06:31>> Yes, you can touch You can take your
1:06:32fingers kind of like a telestrator.
1:06:33>> Oh, cool. All right. There we go. Draw a
1:06:36little circle there. That's where I am.
1:06:40>> And then
1:06:41how about um Casey Anthony? Is she in
1:06:44this?
1:06:45>> Over there.
1:06:46>> All right.
1:06:47Looks good.
1:07:56>> All right.
1:08:00I take it you drove to the mall.
1:08:01>> Yes, sir.
1:08:02>> From
1:08:04this time that you picked up Casey
1:08:07Anthony from the Amscot,
1:08:09>> All right.
1:08:12>> did you ever see that car again?
1:08:14>> No.
1:08:20>> Did you buy anything at the mall?
1:08:22>> Did I personally?
1:08:23>> Yeah.
1:08:24>> No.
1:08:25Uh
1:08:26No, sir.
1:08:26>> I'm sorry.
1:08:28Okay, this June 27th, this is uh
1:08:31did you go to Fusion again that night?
1:08:33>> Yes, sir.
1:08:34>> All right. Did you have another
1:08:35Showcase?
1:08:35>> Yes, sir.
1:08:36>> Did you did the defendant go with you?
1:08:38>> Yes, sir.
1:08:53>> All right.
1:08:58>> Sir, I'm showing you what's been
1:08:59previously marked for identification BI.
1:09:02Um
1:09:03do you recognize that photograph?
1:09:05>> Yes, sir.
1:09:07>> What is that pic What is that a picture
1:09:08of?
1:09:09>> Myself and Casey Anthony.
1:09:13>> Looking at that photograph, can you tell
1:09:15the jury when that photograph or when
1:09:17you believe that photograph was taken?
1:09:19>> July 27th.
1:09:21>> Why do you believe that photograph was
1:09:22taken on June 27th?
1:09:24>> From previously what I said with the
1:09:26tie.
1:09:27I used to wear a tie. I first started
1:09:29doing those nights, and then I kind of
1:09:31just stopped wearing one.
1:09:39>> Was this just a friend that was taking a
1:09:40picture or is this somebody hired to
1:09:42take pictures?
1:09:42>> Uh well, he was
1:09:45wasn't getting paid. It It is a friend,
1:09:47um but he does do professional
1:09:49photography.
1:09:50>> Uh
1:09:51Are these pictures that are taken or was
1:09:53this picture taken or if you can tell us
1:09:55at the beginning of the night or the end
1:09:57of the night?
1:09:58>> I can't recall that.
1:10:00>> Is this a fair and accurate
1:10:01representation of what you and Casey
1:10:03Anthony looked like on June 27th of
1:10:052008?
1:10:07>> Yes, sir.
1:10:08>> Your Honor, at this time the state would
1:10:09move what's been previously marked for
1:10:10identification, BI, into evidence as the
1:10:14state's next in line.
1:10:16>> What says the defense?
1:10:19>> Yes, sir.
1:10:21Got the mic on.
1:10:22Um same objection, Judge. Relevance,
1:10:26404.5,
1:10:28403, 804.
1:10:33>> Okay, then noting uh Jackson's
1:10:34objections will be overruled. They will
1:10:36be They will be received in evidence as
1:10:39state's numbered
1:10:41>> Number 10.
1:10:43>> Will you publish?
1:10:44>> I would just I would, sir.
1:10:46>> You may publish. Thank you.
1:10:51>> All right.
1:10:53On this night at Fusion, sir, was there
1:10:55Was there any
1:10:57noticeable change in Casey Anthony's
1:11:00demeanor?
1:11:01>> No, sir.
1:11:05>> Was she upset?
1:11:06>> No, sir.
1:11:07>> Angry?
1:11:08>> No, sir.
1:11:08>> Sad?
1:11:09>> No, sir.
1:11:11>> Did she tell you at this time on this
1:11:12day that her daughter was missing?
1:11:14>> No, sir.
1:11:15>> Or kidnapped?
1:11:18>> No, sir.
1:11:19>> Or that she was looking for?
1:11:20>> No, sir.
1:11:21>> Or that she needed help because
1:11:23something had happened to her?
1:11:24>> No, sir.
1:11:32>> You had mentioned to us a few minutes
1:11:34ago that uh you had a
1:11:37you took a trip.
1:11:38>> Yes, sir.
1:11:39>> Uh where were you going? Or where did
1:11:41you go?
1:11:41>> I was
1:11:42I went back home. I had a short little
1:11:44vacation, you know, they used to give
1:11:46them sometimes at full sale.
1:11:49I took a short vacation to go home
1:11:51in New York.
1:11:53>> What day did you leave?
1:11:55>> The 30th of June.
1:12:04>> How'd you get to the airport?
1:12:06>> She drove.
1:12:08>> When you say she, who?
1:12:09>> I'm sorry. Casey Anthony drove
1:12:12myself and Cameron to the airport.
1:12:16>> Where was Cameron going?
1:12:17>> What's that?
1:12:17>> Where was Cameron going?
1:12:18>> Going back home as well in Ohio.
1:12:20>> All right.
1:12:22How did you get How did you get to the
1:12:24airport?
1:12:25>> In my Jeep.
1:12:26>> All right.
1:12:27Did you drive to the airport?
1:12:29>> Yes.
1:12:30>> All right.
1:12:30When you got to the airport,
1:12:33what was the plan for your car?
1:12:35>> She was supposed to drop my She, being
1:12:37Casey, was supposed to drop my car off
1:12:39back at some place.
1:12:41>> Was there any agreement or discussion
1:12:44about whether or not
1:12:47Casey Anthony
1:12:49would
1:12:50have access to your car while you were
1:12:51gone?
1:12:52>> No.
1:12:54>> Did you expect Did you agree to let her
1:12:56use your car?
1:12:57>> No, I did not.
1:12:58>> Did you expect her to be using your car?
1:13:00>> No.
1:13:02>> Uh
1:13:02do you recall having any conversations
1:13:04with her from June 27th up until the
1:13:07time that you were taken to the airport
1:13:09about the status of her car?
1:13:11>> Yes.
1:13:12>> What did she tell you?
1:13:13>> That her dad would take care that her
1:13:14dad was going to supposed to take care
1:13:16of it or he took it to some place.
1:13:19I can't remember if it was a mechanic or
1:13:22the car dealership, whatever. I had
1:13:25Whatever it was, she said that her
1:13:26father was taking care of it.
1:13:29>> But in any event, uh you did not expect
1:13:32her to be using your car.
1:13:34>> Yes, sir.
1:13:35>> Uh
1:13:36we've been talking a lot about
1:13:38Casey Anthony. Just for record purposes,
1:13:41is Casey Anthony in this courtroom?
1:13:44>> Yes, sir.
1:13:44>> Can you please point her out? Describe
1:13:46something that she's wearing, please.
1:13:48>> She is wearing
1:13:53>> State accept the stipulation?
1:13:57>> No.
1:13:58>> Go ahead.
1:14:00>> Okay. Uh she's sitting over there.
1:14:02She's wearing a blue blouse.
1:14:06>> Your Honor, may the record reflect that
1:14:07the witness has identified Casey
1:14:09Anthony, the defendant in this case.
1:14:10>> will so indicate.
1:14:18>> Thank you very much, sir. Thank you very
1:14:19much, Your Honor. I have no further
1:14:20questions. This witness is subject to
1:14:22recall.
1:14:29>> Cross-examination.
1:14:31>> Yes, sir.
1:14:32At this point
1:14:38Mr. George,
1:14:41Good afternoon, Mr. George.
1:14:46>> I want to ask you about these
1:14:48photographs.
1:14:49>> Sure.
1:14:51>> You realize you're here to testify in a
1:14:53first-degree murder case, do you not?
1:14:55>> Yes, sir.
1:14:56>> Do you realize that Casey Anthony is
1:14:58standing trial on a death penalty case?
1:15:01>> Yes, sir.
1:15:02>> Now
1:15:06>> Sustained.
1:15:08>> Now, when the when the first photograph
1:15:11that was introduced
1:15:16did Casey Anthony talk about murdering
1:15:18anyone?
1:15:19>> No.
1:15:20>> Did she talk about any murder she had
1:15:21just committed?
1:15:22>> No.
1:15:23>> Did she talk about murder she was
1:15:24planning of committing in the future?
1:15:26>> No.
1:15:27>> Did she borrow duct tape from anyone
1:15:29there at the party?
1:15:30>> No.
1:15:31>> Did she
1:15:34get any weapons, knives?
1:15:36>> No.
1:15:37>> Guns?
1:15:38>> No.
1:15:38>> Did you see Did you see a gun in her
1:15:40dress, sir? Did you have the opportunity
1:15:42to see her
1:15:43with any weapons on her?
1:15:44>> No.
1:15:45>> Okay. What about the second photograph?
1:15:49Did she talk about murdering anybody on
1:15:50that day?
1:15:51>> No.
1:15:52>> Did she talk about somebody she was
1:15:54going to murder in the future?
1:15:55>> No.
1:15:56>> Did she talk about murdering Caylee?
1:15:58>> No.
1:16:00>> Third photograph.
1:16:02Did she talk about murdering anybody on
1:16:04that day?
1:16:05>> No.
1:16:06>> Did she wear a gun or were you in the
1:16:09opportunity to see if she had any
1:16:10weapons on her?
1:16:11>> No.
1:16:12>> Did she borrow any duct tape from
1:16:14anyone?
1:16:14>> No.
1:16:16>> Did she borrow any knives from anyone?
1:16:18>> No.
1:16:18>> Guns?
1:16:19>> No.
1:16:22>> Did she borrow anything that you think
1:16:24she could use to commit a murder on that
1:16:27on any of those three occasions from
1:16:28anyone?
1:16:29>> No.
1:16:29>> That you could see?
1:16:30>> No.
1:16:34>> What about when she went to J.C. Penney
1:16:36with you? Did she buy any duct tape
1:16:38there at J.C. Penney?
1:16:39>> No.
1:16:40>> Did she buy any plastic bags?
1:16:43No.
1:16:44Did she buy any chloroform there at the
1:16:46JCPenney? No. Did she buy any weapons,
1:16:49knives? No. Did she go to the sporting
1:16:51goods department and look at the guns?
1:16:54No.
1:16:58No.
1:17:00You had
1:17:03I I want to talk to you now a little bit
1:17:05about
1:17:07I'm sorry, I forgot the Blockbuster.
1:17:10Did she
1:17:11uh
1:17:12buy any weapons there at the
1:17:13Blockbuster? No. Did she uh maybe snag a
1:17:18uh box cutter or something that you
1:17:20could see? No. Did she talk about
1:17:23murdering anybody? No. Did she talk
1:17:25about any murders she had previously
1:17:26committed? No.
1:17:29Okay.
1:17:30No.
1:17:32Oh, she didn't buy any duct tape? No.
1:17:34Was there any duct tape laying around
1:17:36that maybe they were unpacking videos
1:17:38from?
1:17:39No.
1:17:43Now, I'd like to talk to you uh
1:17:46about the about Caylee. Okay.
1:17:50How many times did you see Casey with
1:17:52Caylee?
1:17:54Two, three times.
1:17:55And before you even met Casey, you knew
1:17:59Casey had a daughter. Yes.
1:18:02And that was okay with you. Yeah.
1:18:04You didn't have any issues with dating a
1:18:07girl who had a child.
1:18:08No.
1:18:10And you liked Caylee. Yes, I did.
1:18:13And
1:18:15the times that you saw Casey interacting
1:18:17with her daughter, was it in a loving
1:18:20man Yes, sir.
1:18:22Did you see Casey be attentive to
1:18:24Caylee? Yes, sir. Did you see Casey ever
1:18:28neglect Caylee in any way? No. Did you
1:18:31see Casey Caylee ever go without any
1:18:34food? No.
1:18:35Did you see Casey, uh, I'm sorry, Caylee
1:18:38wearing
1:18:42dirty clothing? No.
1:18:45In fact,
1:18:51most of the interaction that you
1:18:52observed with Casey and Caylee was that
1:18:54she was a good mother, right?
1:18:56>> Yes, sir.
1:18:58>> Sustain.
1:19:01Sustain.
1:19:02>> Yes, sir.
1:19:03>> Now,
1:19:05there was an incident where
1:19:08actually on June 2nd of 2008, you went
1:19:11with
1:19:12Casey and Caylee to the pool.
1:19:14>> Yes, sir.
1:19:15>> You spent some time together.
1:19:16>> Yes.
1:19:18>> And was there an incident where you saw
1:19:22Casey have to discipline Caylee?
1:19:25>> Not that I can recall.
1:19:26>> Okay.
1:19:41>> Apologize, I cannot recall.
1:19:53Could you be more specific on what you
1:19:54mean by discipline, too?
1:19:56>> Sure. If you can give me just a moment,
1:19:57I'll find it.
1:19:59>> Okay. Um, and when I say discipline, I'm
1:20:02referring to maybe raise her voice at
1:20:05Caylee.
1:20:05>> Oh, yes.
1:20:06>> Okay. And do you recall a situation
1:20:11by the pool where she had to raise her
1:20:13voice at Caylee?
1:20:15>> Not by the pool, no.
1:20:17>> Do you recall that at all?
1:20:19>> Uh, no.
1:20:20>> If I showed you your statement that you
1:20:22gave to law enforcement on
1:20:26uh,
1:20:29maybe it was
1:20:33September 15th of 2008. Would that
1:20:36refresh your recollection?
1:20:37>> Sure.
1:20:38>> Okay.
1:20:40I'm going to bring to Bates stamp 1653
1:20:43counsel.
1:20:52>> May I approach the witness here?
1:20:54>> You may.
1:21:01>> Sure.
1:21:05>> Okay.
1:21:08Oh, sorry. Yeah.
1:21:10Does that refresh your recollection?
1:21:11>> Yes, sir.
1:21:16>> Tell the ladies and gentlemen of the
1:21:17jury what happened.
1:21:19>> Um from what I just wrote my my
1:21:21statement, uh the she was going near the
1:21:24pool and she didn't want her to go near
1:21:25the pool, obviously. Caylee likes to
1:21:28mosey on off sometimes and uh
1:21:31she got probably too
1:21:32too close to the pool.
1:21:35Too close to the pool.
1:21:36>> And what did Casey do once she got too
1:21:39close to the pool?
1:21:40>> What any other mother would do. Try to
1:21:42stop her from getting for the pool.
1:21:44Stop. Hey, stop, you know.
1:21:49>> It was it your impression that Caylee
1:21:51really enjoyed the pool?
1:21:52>> Yes, sir.
1:21:54>> And you had an opportunity to see that.
1:21:57>> Yes.
1:22:08>> Now,
1:22:12when Mr. George asked you if you had an
1:22:16opportunity to to share secrets
1:22:20with Casey.
1:22:22There was a secret that she shared with
1:22:24you, did she not?
1:22:25>> Yes.
1:22:26>> And it was in reference to her father
1:22:28abusing her, did she not?
1:22:31>> The predicate's been laid. It's outside
1:22:32the scope of the direct examination.
1:22:34It's hearsay.
1:22:36>> Sustain on hearsay.
1:22:42>> Judge, may I have a moment?
1:22:43>> You may.
1:23:27>> Judge, we would
1:23:29argue the last objection would be an
1:23:31an admission as opposed to hearsay.
1:23:36It's a statement of the defendant.
1:23:39>> It's also self-serving.
1:23:42Objection sustained. Let's move on.
1:23:44>> Yes, sir.
1:24:05Now,
1:24:07Mr. Lazaro, you were very cooperative
1:24:09with law enforcement, were you not?
1:24:10>> Yes, sir.
1:24:11>> And this was from the very beginning.
1:24:14>> Yes, sir.
1:24:15>> In fact, the only people you would talk
1:24:18to was law enforcement, wasn't that?
1:24:20>> Yes, sir.
1:24:22>> And fact, you wouldn't even speak to the
1:24:25defense, would you?
1:24:27>> I didn't know I had to.
1:24:28>> Unless it was at that position.
1:24:29>> Right.
1:24:31>> And
1:24:33you cooperated with their every request.
1:24:37>> Yes.
1:24:38>> You
1:24:40allowed them to tap your phone.
1:24:41>> Yes.
1:24:43>> You wore a wire for them for Lee Anthony
1:24:46with Lee Anthony.
1:24:47>> Yes.
1:24:49>> And
1:24:53you gave numerous sworn statements, did
1:24:56you not?
1:24:57>> Yes, sir.
1:24:59>> Five to be exact.
1:25:01>> I can't remember.
1:25:04>> And
1:25:05you never made any statements to the
1:25:07media.
1:25:08>> No.
1:25:09>> Despite being harassed left and right by
1:25:11them.
1:25:11>> Yeah, I did not talk to the media.
1:25:13>> And you never
1:25:17sold
1:25:18any of photographs or made any money off
1:25:21of this case.
1:25:22>> No, sir. No, sir.
1:25:25>> Now,
1:25:26I'd like to talk to you about
1:25:29uh
1:25:30the first time Casey ran out of gas.
1:25:33>> Okay.
1:25:34>> Okay. Now, when
1:25:38you went to get the gas cans
1:25:41and you broke in the shed, you had to do
1:25:43that, right?
1:25:44>> Yes.
1:25:45>> And that's because she couldn't do it.
1:25:47>> Well, she could.
1:25:48>> She could?
1:25:49>> Yeah.
1:25:50>> She could break a lock on her own?
1:25:52>> Well,
1:25:53she's a girl. Probably better off if I
1:25:55was doing it.
1:25:56>> Okay.
1:25:56I I didn't understand your your answer.
1:25:59Are you saying she could or she could
1:26:00not?
1:26:02>> Uh
1:26:03she could have.
1:26:04>> She could have. Right. Okay. Well, did
1:26:07you get the impression
1:26:09that
1:26:11I mean, if you How much do you think she
1:26:13weighs?
1:26:14>> 105 lb wet?
1:26:15>> Yeah, she probably only
1:26:18overall
1:26:21>> Give or take.
1:26:22>> Okay. And
1:26:24um
1:26:25do you think
1:26:27Well, I'll I'll I'll I'll rephrase that.
1:26:28I'll I'll move on. Let me ask you this.
1:26:31So, you got the gas cans. There were two
1:26:33gas cans.
1:26:33>> Yes, sir.
1:26:35>> And
1:26:36then at that point you drove to her car.
1:26:39>> Yes.
1:26:40>> Did she at any time tell you stay away
1:26:42from my car?
1:26:43>> No.
1:26:45>> Did she say or did she kind of lean in
1:26:48front of you so you wouldn't get near
1:26:50her car?
1:26:51>> No.
1:26:52>> Was she blocking you in any way?
1:26:53>> No.
1:26:54>> Did she tell you at any time
1:26:57to stay away or you couldn't get
1:26:59anywhere near her trunk?
1:27:00>> No.
1:27:02>> Now
1:27:04when you poured the the first can into
1:27:07the uh
1:27:08>> Well, she actually poured the gas can.
1:27:10>> Okay. When she poured that that gas can
1:27:13into the tank you were standing next to
1:27:16her.
1:27:16>> Correct.
1:27:18>> And how far away would you say from the
1:27:19trunk is the gas gauge?
1:27:23>> Here's the car.
1:27:24>> Yes, sir.
1:27:25>> There's the gas tank.
1:27:27I was standing here. She was standing
1:27:28here.
1:27:29>> Okay.
1:27:30So, maybe
1:27:312 ft away from the trunk?
1:27:33>> Yeah, more than more than 2 ft.
1:27:36>> Judge, the counsel is testifying
1:27:38to measurements.
1:27:40It There's
1:27:42>> It's cross-examination.
1:27:44He's leading.
1:27:46>> I think a predicate still needs to be
1:27:48established.
1:27:49>> Over rule.
1:27:51>> So, about 2 ft?
1:27:52>> I would say more than that, probably.
1:27:54>> Okay.
1:27:55Now
1:27:58she after she poured the first gas can
1:28:00in
1:28:01she opened the trunk.
1:28:03>> Uh no.
1:28:05>> Okay. Was it after the second gas can
1:28:07was put in that she uh
1:28:09>> I only recall her
1:28:10I remember her putting the gas in the
1:28:12car
1:28:13and then she put them away in the trunk.
1:28:15So she had to open the trunk after.
1:28:17>> Okay. And when she
1:28:22at any time either before, after, or
1:28:25during did you smell any stench in that
1:28:28car?
1:28:29>> No, sir.
1:28:31>> Now
1:28:34>> But I wasn't in the car.
1:28:35>> I realize you weren't in the car and I
1:28:37understand.
1:28:38We'll get to that in a moment.
1:28:42Now she had keys to her car, did she
1:28:44not?
1:28:45>> What's that?
1:28:45>> She had keys to her car, right? Cuz she
1:28:47eventually drove it away.
1:28:49>> Yes.
1:28:50>> And
1:29:01So there was nothing to preclude her
1:29:03from putting the gas cans in maybe the
1:29:05front seat of the
1:29:06>> Right.
1:29:08>> Or in the back seat of the car.
1:29:09>> Right.
1:29:10>> But it says she put it in the trunk of
1:29:12her car.
1:29:13>> Right.
1:29:15>> And I know it's been a long time.
1:29:18>> Yes, sir.
1:29:19>> And I want to ask you if
1:29:39I apologize to the court and the jury.
1:29:41Just trying to find something.
1:30:00I know under direct examination Well,
1:30:02let me ask you this.
1:30:05Do you recall if you saw the corner
1:30:07lining of her trunk when she opened the
1:30:09trunk the car trunk?
1:30:11>> No.
1:30:12No, sir.
1:30:13>> Would it refresh your recollection if I
1:30:14showed you your sworn statement to law
1:30:18enforcement given on
1:30:22October of 2008?
1:30:24>> Sure.
1:30:29>> 3875 base number
1:30:32report counsel
1:30:33line four
1:30:38Second question.
1:30:39>> You may.
1:30:44>> I'm looking.
1:30:47Okay.
1:30:48>> Does that refresh your recollection?
1:30:49>> Yeah, I didn't know what you meant by
1:30:50lining.
1:30:51>> No problem.
1:30:54Okay, so when she opened the trunk, you
1:30:56could you were close enough to see the
1:30:57liner
1:30:58>> You would see where the rubber meets, I
1:31:00guess, on the very edge of the corner.
1:31:02Yes.
1:31:02>> Okay.
1:31:16Now, the second time that
1:31:20she ran out of gas, she actually told
1:31:23you she ran out of gas, did she not?
1:31:25>> Yes.
1:31:26>> Cuz there was a bit I thought I heard
1:31:28you testify that she said the car broke
1:31:30down, but she actually told you she ran
1:31:32out of gas, did she not?
1:31:33>> Right. I'm I'm sorry. I must have
1:31:35misspoke, but yeah, she I mean, I was
1:31:37meaning broke down meaning she ran out
1:31:39of gas.
1:31:40>> Okay. So, just so the jury is clear on
1:31:44the 27th of June, you came because she
1:31:47ran out of gas, not because her car
1:31:49broke down.
1:31:50>> Yes.
1:31:51>> And you weren't going to take a look at
1:31:52it because the car broke down. You were
1:31:55just offering to help.
1:31:56>> I was just offering help in general.
1:31:58>> Okay.
1:31:59Now, you came down from New York to
1:32:02testify here, right?
1:32:03>> Yes, sir.
1:32:04>> And you don't live here anymore.
1:32:06>> No, sir.
1:32:06>> You don't have any family here.
1:32:08>> No. Actually, I do. Fort Lauderdale.
1:32:11>> Fort Lauderdale, but not here in
1:32:12Orlando.
1:32:13Okay.
1:32:14And
1:32:16would it be a hardship for you to come
1:32:17back and testify again?
1:32:19>> Yes, sir.
1:32:24>> Judge, at this time I'd like to
1:32:26introduce a photograph rather than have
1:32:28to have this witness come back
1:32:31if
1:32:36>> You know, can we approach the bench?
1:32:38>> Yeah, you may.
1:32:46Okay, objection sustained. Your next
1:32:48question.
1:32:49>> Yes, Judge. In order to lay the to lay
1:32:52the predicate, uh rather than
1:32:55get a little tricky with the
1:32:57electronics, I'd like to show them
1:32:59the
1:33:01black and white
1:33:01>> is that
1:33:03you're not going to
1:33:04>> Correct.
1:33:05>> need to lay a predicate based upon what
1:33:07was said, but you can't introduce those
1:33:10now.
1:33:12Subject to what I said over here at the
1:33:13bench. So, the next area. So, you're not
1:33:15going to have a
1:33:16>> So, I don't have to even lay the
1:33:17predicate. It's
1:33:18>> No, just read the identification numbers
1:33:21into the record so we'll know what
1:33:22you're talking about for purposes of the
1:33:24record just in case.
1:33:25>> Yes, sir. Defense exhibit Q
1:33:28and defense exhibit P.
1:33:30>> Okay. Thank you.
1:33:31>> Thank you, Your Honor.
1:33:54When you went to pick up Casey at the
1:33:57Amscot.
1:33:58>> Yes.
1:33:59>> Her car was parked into a
1:34:02a a parking spot, was it not?
1:34:04>> More or less, it was kind of if I
1:34:06remember it cockeyed.
1:34:07>> Okay.
1:34:09And uh and it was
1:34:12at the Amscot off of was it Colonial
1:34:15Road? Colonial Drive?
1:34:18>> Goldenrod meets Colonial from my my
1:34:20recollection of the area, so yes.
1:34:22>> And within
1:34:2520 I guess that's next door to a gas
1:34:29station, is it not?
1:34:33>> Uh
1:34:34I don't remember.
1:34:37>> Is it Is there a Sam's Club right next
1:34:39door?
1:34:41>> No.
1:34:42>> Okay.
1:34:44Judge, may I show the witness the
1:34:46photograph?
1:34:51>> Yeah, you can show him the photograph. I
1:34:53don't know where you're going right now,
1:34:54but you can show him the photo.
1:34:55>> One of them.
1:35:00>> If I show you a photograph
1:35:03of the Amscot, would that help refresh
1:35:06your recollection as to whether there's
1:35:07a gas station there?
1:35:08>> No.
1:35:10If unless it's on there, I mean
1:35:14>> May I approach the witness?
1:35:15>> Uh you can approach the witness, but
1:35:17make sure that's not exposed to the
1:35:19jury.
1:35:29>> Okay.
1:35:41>> After looking at the photograph, did
1:35:42that help refresh your recollection as
1:35:44to whether
1:35:46there was a gas station next next to the
1:35:48the Amscot?
1:35:49>> Uh does it refresh my recollection? No,
1:35:51but do I see it at a gas station? Yes.
1:35:53>> Okay.
1:36:05Now, there was a time where
1:36:08you saw Casey
1:36:12looking at a video in on her computer,
1:36:16did you not?
1:36:16>> Yes, sir.
1:36:17>> And this was while she was living with
1:36:18you.
1:36:20>> Objection, out of the scope.
1:36:24>> I think counsel's
1:36:26gotten
1:36:27into the entire time that uh
1:36:30We were talking about the 16th through
1:36:33>> Overruled.
1:36:54>> The The last I wanted to talk about the
1:36:56statement that you gave Actually, let me
1:36:59re- Let me restate that.
1:37:01You gave a statement in October of 2008
1:37:05where they asked you
1:37:07And that wasn't your first statement, is
1:37:09that correct? In October?
1:37:11>> No.
1:37:12>> In fact, you had been questioned
1:37:13numerous times.
1:37:14>> Yes.
1:37:15>> And
1:37:17was And that was the time when you were
1:37:19actually questioned about the first time
1:37:21Casey ran out of gas, right?
1:37:23>> Uh
1:37:24I do not recall
1:37:25if that was the first time.
1:37:27>> Do you remember the first time you
1:37:29advised anyone of the time that Casey
1:37:32had run out of gas for the first time?
1:37:34>> Don't remember which statement it was.
1:37:37There was a lot of things going on at
1:37:38the time.
1:37:39>> Okay.
1:37:40>> If I can have just a moment to
1:37:41double-check.
1:37:57>> So that's my apology. This is what I was
1:37:59going to say already. I do have some
1:38:01matters that
1:38:02we'd like to go into, but I'd like to
1:38:04recall the witness.
1:38:06Save it for tomorrow if that's all
1:38:07right.
1:38:09>> Okay. How long is your the rest of your
1:38:11cross-examination?
1:38:14>> 21 minutes.
1:38:17>> Okay.
1:38:18>> Thank you, Judge.
1:38:21>> No, we'll come back tomorrow.
1:38:24>> I'm sorry.
1:38:25>> We will come back tomorrow.
1:38:27>> Thank you, sir. I apologize.
1:38:28>> You're welcome.
1:38:29>> These
1:38:30the acoustics here is
1:38:38>> Okay, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
1:38:40we're going to recess
1:38:42for the evening.
1:38:44I'm going to ask you to remember all of
1:38:46my previous instructions not to read,
1:38:49watch,
1:38:50nor listen to any news accounts.
1:38:54Uh
1:38:54we will also uh
1:39:00take into consider your in consideration
1:39:03your request to work on Memorial Day.
1:39:06These are the factors of that will be
1:39:09involved.
1:39:10One, witness availability.
1:39:13Two, this building uh is scheduled to be
1:39:16closed Memorial Day, which means that uh
1:39:20it is a county-run facility.
1:39:23So, I would have to check with Orange
1:39:25County
1:39:26uh because to open the facility up
1:39:29involves uh
1:39:30budget dollars, and as you all know,
1:39:35they're hard to come by.
1:39:37Uh and uh
1:39:39uh some other factors uh including uh
1:39:45there are at least three other budgets
1:39:47that are affected. That's not solely my
1:39:49budget that I would have to
1:39:51look into. So, have your requests and
1:39:55and
1:39:56I will let you know at least by uh
1:39:58Friday.
1:40:00But, if we don't
1:40:02uh
1:40:02I don't think you'll get bored Monday.
1:40:06Uh
1:40:09planning some activities for those who
1:40:12would want to uh
1:40:13to participate.
1:40:15Uh so, you just won't be uh
1:40:18unless you choose to uh
1:40:21confined uh
1:40:23to whatever hotel you'll be staying in.
1:40:25Okay?
1:40:27All right. With that, have a good
1:40:30evening.
1:40:37Okay, good morning, ladies and gentlemen
1:40:39of the jury. Did you heed all of my
1:40:41previous admonitions?
1:40:44Okay, uh
1:40:46State recognize presence of jury?
1:40:49Defense?
1:40:51Okay, Mr. Bias, you may proceed, sir.
1:40:54>> Thank you, Your Honor. May it please the
1:40:55court. Mr. George,
1:40:57good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
1:41:00Good morning, Mr. Lazaro.
1:41:01>> Morning.
1:41:03>> I want to start off and I want to talk
1:41:05about Caylee.
1:41:08Now, we talked yesterday about
1:41:11the interaction that you saw between
1:41:13Caylee and Casey.
1:41:14>> Yes.
1:41:15>> What I didn't ask you is
1:41:17did you ever get did you ever have the
1:41:19opportunity to see Caylee laughing with
1:41:21Casey?
1:41:22>> Yes.
1:41:24>> Did you ever see Caylee hugging Casey?
1:41:26>> Yes.
1:41:28>> Did you ever see Caylee run to Casey?
1:41:31>> Yes.
1:41:34>> Did that affection appear genuine to
1:41:37you?
1:41:37>> Yes.
1:41:39>> Was she faking that?
1:41:41>> No.
1:41:43This is vague.
1:41:48>> Did they appear to you to be a lot of
1:41:50love between Caylee and Casey?
1:41:52>> Same objection. Same objection. This is
1:41:54speculation.
1:41:55>> I think this overall
1:41:58Yes.
1:41:59>> And explain to the ladies and gentlemen
1:42:02of the jury what you observed
1:42:05as to their interactions.
1:42:08>> From what I remember, um
1:42:13it wasn't completely
1:42:16They um
1:42:18She'd have a book. She'd have her her
1:42:20teddy bear.
1:42:21Um
1:42:23We would go down to the pool.
1:42:25Teaching her how to swim.
1:42:27Um
1:42:29Talk about uh
1:42:30Caylee Caylee liked to uh Dora the
1:42:33Explorer. And uh
1:42:35could uh
1:42:36count to 40 in Spanish, which was uh
1:42:39pretty incredible for her age.
1:42:41And um
1:42:43she was a great little girl.
1:42:45>> And who taught her how to count to
1:42:48>> The Dora Explorer.
1:42:50Was From what my knowledge was, it was
1:42:52her favorite show.
1:42:53>> Okay.
1:42:54And
1:42:56how
1:42:57how often during that time did you see
1:42:59Casey and Caylee hugging and showing
1:43:01affection with one another?
1:43:03>> Pretty much the whole time.
1:43:05>> Okay.
1:43:10Now,
1:43:11I want to
1:43:13talk to you a little bit more about uh
1:43:16the gas can that you picked up the first
1:43:18time from the shed.
1:43:20>> Okay.
1:43:20>> Okay.
1:43:23Did it have any duct tape on it?
1:43:25>> Not that I can remember.
1:43:27>> Okay.
1:43:28Now,
1:43:31in as to some of these photos, do you
1:43:34normally when you promote a club have
1:43:36photographers there to promote so that
1:43:38way people can see
1:43:41>> Um like I said, those were those are
1:43:42friends of mine. Um
1:43:44and basically they're going to they were
1:43:45going to school for photography.
1:43:48So it looks good for them to have
1:43:50snapshots.
1:43:52Um it helps them
1:43:54better their work. So when they get out
1:43:55of school they could
1:43:57you know, have experience.
1:43:59>> And when you promote your club, a lot of
1:44:02that is done online, is it not?
1:44:04>> Yes.
1:44:05>> And some of these photographs are put
1:44:06online,
1:44:08are they not?
1:44:09>> Yeah.
1:44:10>> And the photographs are put online so
1:44:13people who aren't familiar with your
1:44:15night at that club can see pretty much
1:44:18what the atmosphere is like.
1:44:20>> Sure.
1:44:21>> And part of that atmosphere is pretty
1:44:23girls.
1:44:26>> And yeah, sure.
1:44:28>> And
1:44:29young men such as yourself
1:44:32would prefer to go to a club that has
1:44:34pretty girls dancing.
1:44:36>> Sure.
1:44:37>> And that's kind of the idea of
1:44:38promotion.
1:44:40It's to get people through the to the
1:44:42door.
1:44:42>> Yes.
1:44:45Now,
1:44:47>> and you said this that the person who
1:44:49took these photographs was a friend of
1:44:50yours.
1:44:51>> Yes.
1:44:53>> And part of that again is showing
1:44:56everybody's having a good time.
1:44:58>> Yes.
1:45:00>> Now,
1:45:03the
1:45:08Yesterday we talked about
1:45:11when Mr. George questioned you about you
1:45:14and Casey sharing secrets.
1:45:17Now I don't want you to tell us what the
1:45:19secret is,
1:45:21but I do want to ask you,
1:45:24was that secret told before Casey got
1:45:27arrested.
1:45:30Yes.
1:45:30>> Okay.
1:45:31And
1:45:34>> So, if
1:45:36an accusation were made that it was made
1:45:38up after she got arrested, that would
1:45:40not be true.
1:45:41>> Objection. Not allowed.
1:45:43As to relevance,
1:45:46overruled.
1:45:48Sustained as to hearsay.
1:45:50>> Don't tell us
1:45:52what the secret is.
1:45:55But, it was certainly definitely 100%
1:45:59made before Casey ever got arrested.
1:46:02>> Your Honor, State's attorney, may we
1:46:03approach?
1:46:04>> May.
1:46:08Okay, you may proceed.
1:46:09>> Yes, sir.
1:46:12Mr. Lazaro, your relationship with Casey
1:46:16um
1:46:18got pretty intense
1:46:19at a certain
1:46:21towards the June and July time period,
1:46:24didn't it?
1:46:25>> You're spending more
1:46:26>> Intense how?
1:46:27>> You're spending more time together.
1:46:28>> Yes.
1:46:29>> You began to care for one another.
1:46:31>> Yes.
1:46:32>> And
1:46:34in fact
1:46:36Well, let me ask you, did Casey ever
1:46:38tell you she loved you?
1:46:39>> Yes.
1:46:40>> Did you ever tell Casey you loved her?
1:46:42>> Yes.
1:46:45>> Now,
1:46:46you would talk all the time
1:46:49on the phone.
1:46:51>> Yes.
1:46:52>> Even when you weren't together.
1:46:54>> Well, if we weren't together, that's
1:46:56when we would talk on the phone.
1:46:56>> I know, I'm sorry. I mean, even when you
1:46:58weren't in the same You were in New
1:47:00York, that's what I meant.
1:47:01>> Uh yes.
1:47:03>> Uh and when she would go home, even
1:47:07after seeing her all day, you'd
1:47:09talk, text, and so on.
1:47:11>> Believe so.
1:47:12>> In fact,
1:47:14in one of your statements to law
1:47:17enforcement, you talked about how
1:47:19you would talk till you fall asleep,
1:47:22right?
1:47:24Sure. Yes.
1:47:25You and you use the word that you would
1:47:27talk until you just passed out.
1:47:30Is that correct? Yes. That wasn't
1:47:32because you were drunk or anything like
1:47:33that or under any drugs, was it? No. No.
1:47:37Okay, that's just a phrase that you use
1:47:39passed out. Uh you will
1:47:41because sometimes later I I
1:47:44usually I'm one of those people that
1:47:45will pass out So on the phone.
1:47:48Um
1:47:50not because of it's boring or anything,
1:47:51but just talking on the phone is usually
1:47:53not my kind of thing. Okay.
1:47:56Uh
1:47:57but the the two of you would talk at all
1:48:00hours of the night and text each other
1:48:02and and everything like that.
1:48:04Yes.
1:48:09Now, when this all
1:48:11occurred
1:48:13on July 15th
1:48:16uh when the news broke and everything
1:48:18like that, you were shocked.
1:48:20Well, did the news then break on June
1:48:22July 15th
1:48:24or 16th?
1:48:26The 16th, I'm sorry.
1:48:27Yes.
1:48:29And
1:48:31you and even today you remain completely
1:48:34shocked over this situation.
1:48:40Sustain.
1:48:46The questioning that Mr. George had
1:48:48asked you
1:48:50when
1:48:51comparing her Casey's behavior before
1:48:55June
1:48:5716th and post June 16th
1:49:03that is something difficult for you to
1:49:05deal with, is it not?
1:49:08Yes.
1:49:11Because something's just not right
1:49:14about this.
1:49:16It's bizarre.
1:49:18Judges, relevance here on
1:49:20>> Overruled as to that question.
1:49:23It's bizarre, right? Yes.
1:49:28And you felt
1:49:30that if
1:49:32she would have confided in anyone, it
1:49:35would have been you.
1:49:37>> Yes, or her parents.
1:49:40>> And she did not.
1:49:43>> To my knowledge of her parents, no. I
1:49:45mean, definitely not.
1:49:50If I can have just one moment, Judge.
1:49:52>> You may.
1:50:09>> Now, you talked about during direct
1:50:10examination
1:50:12that anytime Casey talked to her
1:50:15parents, she went outside.
1:50:18>> To my knowledge, yes.
1:50:21>> And she kept that world separate from
1:50:23your world.
1:50:25>> Yes.
1:50:26>> I have no further questions.
1:50:31>> Redirect.
1:50:54>> Mr. Lazarra, good morning.
1:50:56>> Morning.
1:50:57>> Just want to follow up on a couple of
1:50:58topics that Mr. Baez had brought up to
1:51:01you.
1:51:02Uh we'll start with some of the things
1:51:03he brought up this morning.
1:51:05In reference to the gas cans,
1:51:08as you sit here today, can you describe
1:51:09the gas cans for us.
1:51:11>> Right.
1:51:13>> Okay.
1:51:14Uh
1:51:15Anything else?
1:51:16>> They're just the small hand gas cans.
1:51:18>> Were they
1:51:21When you were asked whether or not
1:51:23those gas cans had duct tape, uh
1:51:27do you know?
1:51:28>> I can't remember.
1:51:29>> Okay. So, they may have, you just don't
1:51:31know.
1:51:32>> Correct.
1:51:36>> Mr. Bias also talked to you about
1:51:40communicating with the defendant and I
1:51:42believe you stated that you would talk
1:51:44all the time on the phone.
1:51:46>> Yes.
1:51:47>> Either talking or texting or something
1:51:49along those lines.
1:51:50>> Yes.
1:51:51>> After she moved in with you on the 16th,
1:51:55you didn't have to talk all the time,
1:51:56did you?
1:51:56>> Right.
1:51:58>> Cuz she was always there.
1:51:59>> Correct.
1:52:03>> Yesterday,
1:52:05Mr. Bias was asking you about the
1:52:08circumstances after you obtained the gas
1:52:12cans
1:52:13and went back to the defendant's car.
1:52:17>> Correct.
1:52:17>> Do you remember that testimony? Do you
1:52:19remember Mr. Bias asking you those
1:52:20questions?
1:52:21>> Yes.
1:52:21>> All right.
1:52:22And when he did that, he referenced
1:52:26an interview
1:52:29>> I'm going to overrule it at this point.
1:52:31Let him finish answering the question.
1:52:33Mr. Lazario, do not answer the question
1:52:36until I tell you to answer the question.
1:52:38You may continue.
1:52:39>> Do you remember uh yesterday Mr. Bias
1:52:41asking you questions about an interview
1:52:43you gave to law enforcement on October
1:52:4516th of 2008?
1:52:48>> Okay. Mr. Bias, is that objection?
1:52:50>> No, it's No No objection at this time.
1:52:52>> Okay. You may ask the question, sir.
1:52:54>> Yes.
1:52:56>> And do you remember uh
1:52:59him referencing a certain page to you
1:53:04and approached you and showed that to
1:53:06you.
1:53:08Yes, sir.
1:53:09>> He showed uh he showed me a page for the
1:53:11Amscot one that we went to Amscot.
1:53:15>> Okay.
1:53:23I'd like to ask you a couple of
1:53:24questions about that.
1:53:26Uh when you obtained the gas cans, you
1:53:28went back to the defendant's car,
1:53:30correct?
1:53:31>> Correct.
1:53:32>> When you got out of the car, what did
1:53:33you immediately do? Do you remember what
1:53:35you told Detective Edwards?
1:53:37>> We grabbed the gas cans out of my
1:53:40tailgate
1:53:41and walked over to her car.
1:53:44>> When you walked over to the car,
1:53:48what did you do with the gas can?
1:53:50>> Handed it to Casey.
1:53:52>> And what did Casey do with them at that
1:53:54point?
1:53:55>> Put it into the car.
1:53:57>> At that point, was her trunk open or
1:53:59closed?
1:54:00>> Closed.
1:54:01>> And where were you standing
1:54:03uh when she was pouring the gas into the
1:54:05tank?
1:54:06>> Behind her, closer to the front of the
1:54:07car.
1:54:09>> Could you smell the gasoline?
1:54:11>> Yes.
1:54:12>> Uh how would you describe the scent of
1:54:13the gasoline?
1:54:15Was it very strong? Was it mild?
1:54:18>> Uh the same scent that you would have if
1:54:20uh you're just finishing up uh pouring
1:54:23some gas out of the at a gas station.
1:54:27>> And I believe you testified there were
1:54:28two gas cans, correct?
1:54:29>> Correct.
1:54:30>> Uh
1:54:30the defendant poured the first gas can
1:54:32into the car?
1:54:33>> Yes.
1:54:33>> All right. When that was emptied into
1:54:35the car,
1:54:37what did you do with the second gas can?
1:54:40>> Uh second gas can, handed it to her.
1:54:43>> Are you still in the same position?
1:54:45>> No.
1:54:45>> Okay. And where are you?
1:54:47>> Handing it to her and then I'm actually
1:54:49um going to close my tailgate.
1:54:51>> All right. So, you're walking away from
1:54:52the car?
1:54:53>> Correct.
1:54:54>> At this point, the trunk is still Is the
1:54:55trunk still closed?
1:54:57>> Uh
1:54:58I believe so.
1:54:59>> All right.
1:55:00Uh
1:55:01did the defendant then finish putting
1:55:03the gas into the the second gas can the
1:55:06gas that's in the second gas can into
1:55:08the car?
1:55:09>> Yes, sir.
1:55:10>> All right.
1:55:11When she is done doing that, what are
1:55:13you doing?
1:55:15>> Uh I saw her walking back to her car. Um
1:55:19I was right near car
1:55:20cuz my car was parked here and she was
1:55:22parked right there.
1:55:23>> Okay. She's behind your car like
1:55:26>> Behind her. I was in front of her.
1:55:27>> Okay.
1:55:28>> And I saw her open the trunk.
1:55:30>> All right.
1:55:31Now from that vantage point, the trunk
1:55:33is open, you're looking at
1:55:36the top of the trunk, correct?
1:55:40>> Sustain. Rephrase the question, sure.
1:55:42>> You're in front you're at the back of
1:55:45your car but at the front of Ms.
1:55:47Anthony's car. Is that what you're
1:55:48>> Correct. I started to walk back to see
1:55:50what was going on, um to see if she was
1:55:52done with everything.
1:55:53>> Okay.
1:55:54>> And then I that's when I saw the when I
1:55:56say the the edge of the corner in my
1:55:58statement, um
1:56:01you know how cars when the when the
1:56:02trunk goes up, you can see underneath
1:56:05the trunk a little bit, you can see the
1:56:08rubber lining of the trunk. That's what
1:56:10I saw.
1:56:11>> When you say the rubber lining of the
1:56:12trunk, are you referring to
1:56:14>> where the the trunk actually comes down
1:56:16and meets and seals.
1:56:17>> Okay.
1:56:18So, could you see into the trunk?
1:56:20>> No, I could not see in the trunk.
1:56:45>> Give me 1 second, Jerome.
1:57:27>> Again, your honor, I thank you. I have
1:57:29no further questions of the witness at
1:57:30this time, subject to recall.
1:57:34>> You may recross into those areas.
1:57:37You may proceed.
1:57:48>> Mr. Lazaro,
1:57:50when
1:57:51the police questioned you about
1:57:55this specific incident.
1:57:56>> Yes.
1:57:57>> You knew that the trunk of the car was a
1:58:01significant issue in this case. Did you
1:58:02know
1:58:02>> Correct.
1:58:03>> In fact, you had seen it on the news
1:58:05many times.
1:58:06>> Yes, sir.
1:58:07>> And seen it reported many times.
1:58:09>> Yes, sir.
1:58:10>> And despite all that, you told them that
1:58:12there was no smell.
1:58:14>> Correct.
1:58:16>> And
1:58:19during this questioning,
1:58:22there was even a time when they were
1:58:24trying to ask you to close your eyes
1:58:27and and let me actually
1:58:31and to try and picture it. Do you recall
1:58:33that?
1:58:33>> Yes, sir.
1:58:34>> Okay.
1:58:35And that still didn't waver your
1:58:37testimony.
1:58:38>> Correct.
1:58:39>> And you still told the truth.
1:58:41>> Yes, sir.
1:58:42>> No further questions.
1:58:45>> Any more questions from the state of
1:58:47Florida?
1:58:48>> Not on these issues, your honor.
1:58:50>> Okay.
1:58:51Mr. Lazario, you may stand down, but
1:58:53you're not excused. You need to
1:58:55wait around outside.
1:58:57>> Thank you, all.
1:58:58>> Okay.

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