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0:02Hello, hello. How are you doing? We meet
0:05We meet again. Yeah, I'm in North Texas.
0:06You want to have a seat? Is that more
0:08comfortable at least? Yeah. I would
0:09imagine.
0:11That's I should have known. I should
0:12have known.
0:13>> Getting coffee, my friend? Could we
0:14Could we get a blanket and some coffee?
0:17Thank you. You want
0:18What's that? What do you want in the
0:19coffee? Just black, just black. Oh, just
0:21black.
0:21>> Black. Yep.
0:23All right.
0:25Well, as I told you last night we were
0:26both tired. Did you get some Did you get
0:28some rest? Yeah. I got a little bit. Not
0:30much, a little bit. So,
0:33can you before we start
0:35I found out that my kids aren't with I
0:37just asked them about that. Okay.
0:40I have an answer for you. Okay. I just
0:42specifically talked to the supervisor
0:43here and I said, you know, he's very
0:44concerned about his kids and I was under
0:46the impression they're with the mother.
0:48Your mother. He said, "No, right now
0:50they're with I don't know what they call
0:52it up here, Child Protective Services in
0:53Cleveland. So, apparently
0:56up here and they do it in Florida, too.
0:59I think they just do it quicker.
1:00They have to basically background check
1:02your mother
1:03to make sure they're not releasing the
1:05kids to someone that's going to do them
1:07harm. They want a safe environment. So,
1:09they basically have to go vetting. Have
1:11you ever heard the word vetting?
1:12Basically,
1:13that doing a background check of your
1:14mother, Okay. mak- making sure that
1:17they're releasing your children to
1:19somebody that's going to care for their
1:20safety. They want the best for the kids.
1:22I see. Okay, which I know that I from
1:24talking to you, I know you want that.
1:26That's what your only concern, correct?
1:27Right, but I have another concern. Okay.
1:30Uh when I was on the phone with her,
1:32she said tomorrow that she's going to
1:34Mexico for a week. Okay. Like a vacation
1:38or Yeah, cuz my brother's graduation and
1:40it's his last year of senior high
1:42school. Okay.
1:43>> He just beat
1:45cancer, all this stuff. Right.
1:48Is that going to come into Is that going
1:51to come into effect with CPS? Like,
1:53would they at least be able to hold onto
1:56my kids until they got back? Yeah,
1:57definitely. I mean, they're they'll keep
1:59the kids
2:00from my understanding, they'll keep the
2:01kids as long as they need to to make
2:02sure they're safe. They're not just
2:03going to cut loose. I mean, they can't
2:04survive on their own. They're obviously
2:05very young children. I just want to make
2:07sure that they don't go to another
2:08family because my mom is going to
2:10Mexico.
2:11>> Right. No, no, no. They're not going to
2:13be adopted to another family or
2:14anything? No, not to my knowledge.
2:16They're That doesn't happen. I mean, if
2:18your mom's there, I mean, it's 10 days.
2:19If she was gone for 10 months, you know,
2:21that would be obviously be an issue, but
2:23we're talking 10 days. Yeah. Okay.
2:26Before we talk about this like follow-up
2:27questions I want to ask you, I just want
2:29to remind you that the form you signed
2:31yesterday, your Miranda warning, that
2:33still applies. You understand that?
2:35Okay. You still want to speak to me,
2:36correct?
2:37>> Mhm. Okay. I just want to make sure you
2:38just
2:39I know this is crazy. I'm nitpicking.
2:40Just want to ask you a question. Yes or
2:42no. Don't not though. Mhm, cuz then
2:44people like, "Well, did he say yes or
2:45did he say no?"
2:46>> Oh, I get it. Cuz Just for the recording
2:47cuz all it sounds like is maybe you're
2:49clearing your throat on the recording. I
2:51got you. Yes.
2:52>> Okay. Um
2:54With in reference to my case with the
2:56three individuals, do you remember what
2:58color the hammer was?
3:01I think it was just like a
3:03If you don't remember, it's fine.
3:04>> I really don't. But I promise you, it's
3:05underneath the bed. Well, we recovered
3:07it. Oh, okay. But I just wanted to know
3:09if you remember the color. No, okay.
3:13Um
3:14We might shift back to Tarpon case, but
3:18the Pasco County detectives and New Port
3:20Richey police are at the house right
3:22now, you're for you know, to try to find
3:25Jamie. They're there actively like
3:28trying to find her. Okay?
3:29>> haven't found her? Well, I'm sure they
3:31will, but they had to get a search
3:33warrant for the house and they have to
3:34do it the legal Yeah.
3:37straight process, you know, we can't
3:38just cut corners because you say they're
3:40there, we can't just start digging in
3:41somebody's yard. Yeah. You know what I
3:42mean? Yeah. So, they have to do the
3:44legal process. Can I get some water,
3:46too? Yeah.
3:47Coffee is good.
3:48I remember yesterday you were back and
3:50forth.
3:51We'll get some water also? Please, thank
3:53you.
3:54I remember yesterday you were going
3:55back and forth. And today
3:58still no bang. I had to get a What did I
4:00have to sell for today? Some kind of
4:01crappy monster.
4:03So Yeah. I'm trying to think. Do you
4:04have you uh Where's your hotel at right
4:06now?
4:08I I Clemens, I think. Oh, that's why.
4:11They don't really have good gas stations
4:12over there. Yeah. Nah, I'll survive.
4:15Um so, anyway, the detectives from Pasco
4:18County wanted me to ask you some
4:19follow-up questions Mhm. in reference to
4:22Jamie's death, okay? Sorry for being
4:24difficult.
4:25>> No, you're fine. Okay. Mhm. So Yeah. I'm
4:27sorry.
4:28What was the approximate time period
4:30that you moved into that house on
4:31Norwood Avenue?
4:33>> [clears throat]
4:33>> When Do you remember when it was that
4:34you moved in?
4:35Late October
4:37early November.
4:38>> Of '17? Yes. Okay. And then you said
4:41you killed her in the beginning of
4:44January. Of 2018.
4:45>> Of 2018.
4:47Then you moved out at the end of the
4:48month. Yes. Okay.
4:50Do you remember who your landlord was?
4:52Uh
4:53[ __ ]
4:53Nicole Nicole was the first name.
4:55>> Nicole was the first name. And how much
4:57did you pay a month? Mhm.
5:01I think it was like 800 a month.
5:03>> 800 a month, then. And how many bedrooms
5:05was the house?
5:06Two bedroom. Two bedroom, one bath? Uh
5:10Technically two two bath but the other
5:13one was a half bath. Half bath. So, one
5:15with a shower, one without a shower.
5:17Okay.
5:18Um
5:19And you talked about yesterday you were
5:22telling me that she was coming at your
5:24daughter with I think you said a butcher
5:26knife. And [clears throat] where did she
5:27get the butcher knife from? Oh, we had
5:29knives. Oh, it was a a kitchen knife.
5:31>> Yeah. Okay. So, did you see her retrieve
5:33the knife or were you Where were you at
5:35when you first saw the knife?
5:38Uh And what was your daughter doing in
5:39relation to that?
5:40>> I was on the floor cuz she had beat the
5:42living [ __ ] out of me. Um That night?
5:45Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
5:47And then
5:48she said she was going to go get a knife
5:50to kill me.
5:52Uh to be honest with you, I didn't
5:53really believe it cuz I mean but she
5:56goes and grabs the stuff and of course
5:57she uses it against me, but she doesn't
6:00try to take my life.
6:01Right. Was that the first time like
6:04she'd threaten you with a weapon?
6:05Normally it was hands.
6:07She threatened me with a weapon all the
6:09time.
6:09>> Okay. I mean you could call my mom and
6:11she'll tell you about instances that she
6:14would come over.
6:16I just want you to look like a person
6:17anymore, man.
6:18>> Right. So, you're on the floor playing
6:20with your daughter. No, I'm on the floor
6:21bleeding.
6:22Oh, from her beating you up. Yeah. And
6:24where's your daughter?
6:25Okay, so you're on the floor bleeding in
6:26the living room. Yes.
6:28>> Okay, and where is your daughter? She's
6:29in the living room. She's in the living
6:30room also. Yeah. Playing? No, she's
6:32crying at this point.
6:33>> Crying cuz she
6:34saw mom beating you up. Mhm. Okay.
6:39>> I get up, she tells me to get down.
6:42I tell her no. She grabs my arm and cuts
6:46it like that.
6:47Um and then, you know, I get down on the
6:49ground and Bella won't stop crying.
6:52And
6:53she So, she's got the knife, you get up
6:55off the floor. Are you still on the
6:56floor? You get up off the floor.
6:57>> up I'm trying to get up off the floor.
6:59You got to remember, I'm dealing with a
7:01schizophrenic Okay. who is
7:04in her aggressive state right now.
7:07>> In which hand does she have the knife
7:08in? Right? Left? That I can't remember.
7:10You remember if she was right-handed or
7:11left-handed? She was right-handed. So,
7:13probably. most likely it's in her right
7:14hand most most likely cuz we usually use
7:17your predominant hand, but that's an
7:18assumption.
7:19Um
7:21so, she comes into the living room with
7:22this butcher knife. Mhm. And then you
7:24did what again? I I missed that part.
7:26>> I got up. Okay. Uh she told me to get my
7:28ass down.
7:29I told her I'm not I'm not going to lay
7:31on the floor while she has a knife.
7:33And then she grabs my arm.
7:36Cuts it like that. Honestly, I don't
7:38really feel it. Mhm. I wonder know was
7:40because it was so sharp or something.
7:42Right. I instantly start bleeding.
7:45And I could see that like
7:47affected her. Cuz this was like probably
7:49besides this, this was the deepest that
7:51she's ever And you said the one on your
7:52elbow is from a hammer? Yeah. And when
7:55was that? That was like
7:59way beginning of 2017.
8:01Okay.
8:02Yeah. Okay. And same house? No,
8:05different.
8:05>> Oh, 2017. I'm sorry, that was 2018. I do
8:07I apologize. No. Um okay, so she cuts
8:10you, then what happens?
8:12Um
8:13then um she kind of starts panicking and
8:16seeing the blood and everything. Um
8:19And then my daughter is still like my
8:21daughter is like screaming frantically.
8:23And um
8:25she says she's going to make uh that kid
8:28shut the [ __ ] up. And then she goes over
8:31there with like the knife raised. And
8:34honestly, I don't think she was
8:36comprehending what she was doing at this
8:38point. Okay. I really don't.
8:40Because she loved her kids. She did.
8:44Granted, she wasn't a good caretaker
8:47because of the way that she was raised.
8:49Right. She was very spoiled. [snorts]
8:51Mhm.
8:52They made six figures a year. She got
8:53whatever she wanted.
8:55Never had to cook or anything like that.
8:57I did all that. So, but that's besides
9:00the point.
9:01Horrible caretaker, but she loved her
9:03kids. Right. So, I can honestly say that
9:06I don't like
9:08I know she was going to take life I know
9:10she was coming after my daughter to take
9:11her life. That I can honestly say.
9:13>> Okay. But I do not think she was in she
9:15was not in her right state of mind when
9:18she did that. Okay. So, how do you stop
9:21her?
9:22I get right the
9:24pin her against the wall, knock out the
9:26knife from her hand, and I Which Which
9:28hand you grab her with, right or left?
9:30My right hand. And you're facing her,
9:32correct? And you've got her pinned up
9:33against the one of the walls in the
9:34living room. Do you remember which wall
9:36in the living room?
9:37Oh, man. It's been such a while since
9:40I've seen the layout of that house.
9:41You'll have to forgive me. I've been
9:42That's fine. No, that's fine. And you've
9:44been in a lot of different places and
9:45it's hard to remember. Like and I
9:47remember yesterday you said you know
9:48like I've just been trying to forget the
9:49whole incident.
9:50>> Yeah. Like and I told you like I told
9:51you yesterday with my case
9:53same thing with Pasco's. We just want to
9:54be as detailed as possible, as thorough
9:56as possible. Of course. I understand
9:58that. So, you have
9:59you pin her up against the wall with
10:01your right hand. It Actually, if you
10:03want just like you want to just uh like
10:05demonstrate against that like say she's
10:07right there at that wall. Yeah. And you
10:09got her against this. Okay. And the
10:10knife's in her right hand still? No, I
10:13got that. Like I pushed her up against
10:15the wall and I got that knife. Okay.
10:17Okay. And I had her up against the wall.
10:18With one hand? With one hand. Okay. And
10:20I'm stopping her from trying to fight me
10:22back with my other hand. Which she
10:24doesn't try to do at first
10:26cuz I don't think that she thinks I'm
10:28seriously trying to like put a stop to
10:31this once and for all. Right. Then she
10:32starts realizing it. And what does she
10:34do? Um
10:36she tries to grab something to stab me.
10:38There was like broken glass or
10:40something. She stabbed me in the foot.
10:43That's where that's from. So, that's
10:44from the incident where you killed her?
10:46Yes. On your foot?
10:47>> Yes.
10:47>> Okay. And
10:49So, somehow
10:51That's fine. Hey, it's like Like I said,
10:53we Remember yesterday I told you we'll
10:54take as long as it takes. Same thing
10:56today.
10:57I got an open flight. I'll be here. If I
10:59got to be here all day, we'll be here
11:00all day. Okay. Okay.
11:02Um so, yeah. I have her up against the
11:04wall. Knife's already out of her hand.
11:07Um
11:08broken glass is around. Somehow we we
11:10end up getting to the floor somehow. And
11:13that's where she grabs the broken glass
11:15and starts stabbing my foot.
11:17>> Is she Is she gasping for air? Saying
11:18anything? Trying to say anything?
11:20>> She's trying to.
11:21Trying to breathe or trying to
11:23talk?
11:24No, she did get out a couple words. She
11:26told me that she would go get help and
11:28go to the mental hospital and all that,
11:31but So, and let me ask you this and just
11:33cuz people have difficulty talking when
11:35they're being choked, did you let off of
11:37her? Did you let pressure off of her so
11:40she could say that? Or did she somehow
11:42manage to get that out as you're choking
11:44her?
11:45Or did you not have enough pressure with
11:47the one hand or she just
11:48>> with you, I think she
11:50gasped it out cuz I I don't I didn't
11:53>> Something to the effect of she'll go get
11:54help. Yeah, like like mental help and
11:56stuff like that to get
11:57>> Like like if you let me go. Do you
11:58remember like push like she like begging
12:00for her life like let let me go and I'll
12:01get help kind of thing? Um
12:05Essentially, yes. Like it was more like
12:08I'll go get the mental help that I need
12:10to get myself better. Okay, so at this
12:12point you've got her pinned on the
12:13floor.
12:14Yes, and I'm choking Still with one
12:17hand? Yes. Well, no no no, once we get
12:19on the floor, I'm sorry. Once we get on
12:21the floor, I moved to two hands
12:23after she said
12:24>> Okay, and once again and I want to be as
12:26like descriptive as possible. So, let's
12:28let's say that she's right here on the
12:29floor right next to me. Did we strap
12:32Just show me exactly how you were like
12:33she's She's right here. Her head's right
12:35here. So, we go from the floor.
12:37We're on the ground now.
12:39Um
12:40I don't even know how I'm sure I managed
12:41to stab I guess my foot was like that
12:44cuz I'm like that now.
12:46She grabs broken glass and
12:47>> got both hands on her throat now when
12:49you're on the ground? Okay. And she's
12:50stabbing my foot and everything.
12:53Uh and then saying that she'll go get
12:55the help that she needs.
12:58And then she she told me that she loves
13:00me. And I'm assuming she's flailing with
13:01her arms and legs, right? She just Oh,
13:03she said I love you. Yeah. Okay. And
13:05Bella's still in the room, correct?
13:07Uh
13:08I'm assuming cuz she was there when it
13:10started and it didn't she didn't stop in
13:12the middle of it.
13:12>> I looked up though, Bella wasn't in the
13:14room.
13:14>> You didn't see her? No. You didn't hear
13:16her like screaming or anything?
13:17>> I think she ran to her
13:20bedroom?
13:20>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I
13:22didn't mean to interrupt you. No, cuz I
13:23was trying to think of where she was at
13:25during that time period.
13:27Cuz I think she
13:28I think she ran in fear
13:30from my wife when she was coming at her
13:33cuz obviously she looked scary and
13:34everything. So she like ran in fear.
13:37Okay. So you're on her with both hands.
13:39Yeah. And then
13:41I see the blood and everything.
13:44Okay. So you've got her on the ground,
13:45you're choking her with both hands. Yes.
13:46And you see blood coming from just her
13:48nose or was it from her mouth?
13:49>> No, just her nose. Both nostrils? One
13:51nostril? Both nostrils? Okay. Um
13:55And then that's when I kind of panicked
13:56and stopped. How long from the time that
14:00you pinned her against the wall as you
14:01were choking her
14:03and this is an estimate. I understand
14:04you didn't have a stopwatch, but you
14:06start choking her against the wall
14:08then bring her to the floor, you
14:09continue choking her, approximately
14:13big word, approximately, how long do you
14:14think you were you were choking her?
14:16Like 3 to 4 minutes. 3 to 4 minutes
14:18total choking her.
14:19>> Yes. Okay. And I remember the
14:22big detail that I forgot about
14:23yesterday. I do apologize. Um
14:27After that happened
14:29uh I did grab a hammer
14:31and I hit her
14:32just to make sure that she was dead.
14:34Okay. I'm so I'm sorry. I forgot about
14:37that. That's fine. It just came to me
14:39cuz like I said, I blocked that
14:40>> And when you hit her, that was still in
14:42the living room with the hammer.
14:43>> Yes. Where did you retrieve the hammer
14:45from? Uh we had a hammer in our house.
14:48Um it was in the kitchen though.
14:50Kitchen? Like same drawer like a thing
14:51like a junk drawer in the kitchen?
14:52>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do you know where the
14:53hammer is now? Did you leave it in the
14:55house when you left or did you dispose
14:57of it? I disposed of it. Do you remember
14:59where? I know we're not going to find
15:00it, but It was at the Wells Fargo
15:02dumpster like right up the street from
15:04there.
15:05Okay. That's where you disposed of the
15:06hammer. Mhm. Okay. Um
15:08and how many times do you think you
15:10struck her with the hammer? I only
15:12struck her once. One time? Where? Head.
15:15Like the front of the head. So basically
15:17the same as
15:19the dad with ours. Yes. Okay. With the
15:21same as what you did to Nick and the
15:23dad. Nick and Rich. Okay. And Laura.
15:26Well, Laura from what I recall was on
15:28the back of the head. Oh, yeah, yeah. I
15:29thought you meant just with the hammer.
15:31>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same same same motive
15:33or same
15:34modus operandi with the the hammer. Um
15:38Now, the reason I did that
15:40cuz I do have a reason for that. It
15:42wasn't just a random act of violence.
15:46I just didn't want her to suffer
15:47anymore. I just wanted to put her out of
15:49her misery.
15:50>> So, you were afraid she was still alive
15:51possibly? Yeah. And you just wanted
15:53>> wanted to end it.
15:54>> Yes. Okay.
15:56How long did she lay on the floor before
15:59you moved her?
16:00>> I moved her immediately. Okay. What did
16:02you wrap her in or anything or did you
16:04just I dragged her in.
16:06>> the chain of events? Did you go run
16:07outside, dig a dig a hole, come back in?
16:10>> Okay. Go from go from there. So,
16:13I moved her into the bathroom and I put
16:15her body in the bathtub.
16:18Um
16:20And then Then I'm assuming there's a
16:21fair amount of blood as you're dragging
16:23her in there.
16:23>> Yeah. Because she's she's leaking from
16:25the nose and from a head injury, I'm
16:26assuming.
16:27>> Yes. Um
16:29What was I going to say? Drag her in the
16:31bathtub. I clean up the
16:34the mess in the living room and partly
16:36in the hallway.
16:37Um
16:39Then I let my kids out and everything.
16:41While she's in the bathroom, you close
16:43the door and you let the kids out.
16:44>> Yeah. My kids I can promise you my kids
16:46have never seen a body.
16:48Never seen
16:50any indication of that Mhm. or any
16:53indication of violence as far as from me
16:55and goes. Okay.
16:57Now, of course they did see their mom
16:59beat on me, but they won't remember
17:01that. Right.
17:03Okay. So, you let the kids out and play
17:05then
17:07Honestly, at that like after that it
17:09becomes a little hazy. Her body did stay
17:13there for like
17:15two or three days um cuz I was I didn't
17:18know what the hell to do.
17:18>> You were trying to think of what How am
17:20I going to get rid of her?
17:21>> Yeah. I I mean, that wasn't the only
17:22thing going through my mind. I was like,
17:24I'm definitely going to jail.
17:26Her parents are definitely going to find
17:27out. Blah, blah, blah.
17:30Yeah.
17:31So, approximately 3 days later
17:34Um You do what with her?
17:36>> I I bury
17:37Well, last night I had a backyard, so I
17:40could go back there and I dug a deep
17:42grave.
17:43>> Where did you get the shovel?
17:44From the next door neighbor.
17:46>> Did you go over and say, "Hey, I need to
17:47borrow a shovel?" Or did you just take
17:48it? Or
17:49>> Uh, no, I asked if I could borrow it.
17:51You asked? Do you remember what the
17:52neighbor looked like? Or her name or
17:54anything? She was an elderly lady.
17:56Elderly lady. She lived on the right of
17:57the house.
17:58>> So, if you're looking at the house, the
17:59elderly lady to the right. You asked
18:00her, "Can I borrow your shovel?"
18:01>> Yes. And she was okay with it. Okay. She
18:04was a weekend at mom's and everything.
18:06>> Okay. So, you go back to the house. Go
18:08into the backyard. Um Where you told me
18:10yesterday dig out a grave. And you said
18:13it was a lot deeper than
18:15the one in Tarpon Springs. Yes, it was a
18:16lot deeper cuz I didn't have to worry
18:18about people peeking out their windows
18:20or anything
18:21of that sort. Okay.
18:24Um,
18:25once the once the grave is dug, you go
18:27back inside, she's in the bathtub. I lay
18:30a blanket down on the bathroom floor.
18:32>> Do you remember what color the blanket
18:33was? Brown. If If not, it's okay. Like I
18:35said, It was a flowery pattern.
18:37>> Flowery pattern blanket. Was it from you
18:39guys' bedroom?
18:40>> Yeah. So, you pull it from the bedroom,
18:41put her
18:42drag her out of the tub. And put her in
18:44that.
18:44>> Do you remember what she's wearing?
18:47No. No. Okay. So, you put her in that,
18:50you wrap her up, or you just
18:51like use it as like a carrying tool? I
18:54think I wrapped her up a little bit.
18:55>> Wrapped it up so as a carrying
18:56>> Tape, rope. No.
18:58>> Anything? Just wrapped her in it?
18:59>> Yeah. Okay. And then dragged her out.
19:02>> What time of day was it when you dragged
19:03her outside?
19:05It was like 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning.
19:07Okay.
19:08>> Cuz I worked on that grave like all
19:09night. All night?
19:10>> Yeah. Okay. And then, so first light
19:13it's it's light out, I'm assuming.
19:15>> Yeah. And you drag her out in the
19:16backyard. Yeah. It's a wooden fence, so
19:19nobody can
19:20>> So nobody can see what you're doing.
19:22Okay. So, you drag her out, put her in
19:25the grave, and then like we talked about
19:27yesterday, cover it up. There's no
19:29excess dirt. I'm just rehashing what we
19:30talked about yesterday.
19:32You flatten it out, make it look like
19:34it's supposed to be, and then you put
19:35some kind of wood construction debris
19:37Mhm. on it. Okay.
19:39After that,
19:41did you go anywhere and purchase like
19:43cleanup supplies, or did you have stuff
19:45in the home?
19:46I think I purchased cleaning supplies
19:48beforehand, like a little bit or
19:51something like that. So, while she's in
19:53the tub, you went and bought cleaning
19:55supplies or
19:56>> Yeah, for it to clean the tub once she
19:58got out and everything. Okay.
20:01But, I'm assuming you bring her into the
20:02bathroom, you had to clean
20:04the area in the living room, correct,
20:05before you could let the kids out so
20:07>> Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I had
20:08cleaning supplies there already.
20:10>> Okay. But, I just want like, you know, a
20:12body was sitting in a tub for 3 days. I
20:14want like major cleaning supplies. Okay.
20:16Um Do you remember what cleaning
20:18supplies you used? I think it was like
20:22bleach.
20:26Bleach and some floor scrub type thing
20:28and some bathroom cleaner,
20:29like for the tub specifically.
20:31>> Mhm.
20:32Um mop? Did you use a mop to do the
20:34stuff on the floor? Yeah. And then, what
20:36did you do with the mop after you're
20:37done? Just dispose of it in your own
20:38garbage, or did you do the Wells Fargo
20:40dumpster again? I did the Wells Fargo
20:42dumpster. But, that I waited until after
20:45everything was like done and completed.
20:47Okay. So,
20:50and from what your best recollection is,
20:52you threw away
20:55the hammer, Mhm. That was definitely
20:57thrown away.
20:58>> That was thrown in the Wells Fargo
20:59dumpster. Mop.
21:00>> The mop.
21:02Anything else that would have been
21:04evidence? No, nothing else. I would tell
21:07you too, obviously. Um
21:09but nothing else.
21:11Um I did trash the house to
21:14make it inconspicuous, to make it look
21:17like we were just
21:18bad renters and everything. Okay.
21:22And did you Was there any evidence that
21:24you like hid in the house or
21:26just just the cleaning The only
21:27concealing of evidence you did was the
21:29clean up and then disposing of the
21:32murder weapon
21:34and the clean um
21:36the mop. Mhm. What did you just do with
21:37the empty bottles of the cleaning stuff?
21:38Did you throw those away, too, or did
21:39you just
21:40>> Yeah, I think those I think those got
21:42left in the house, to be honest with
21:43you. Did you
21:45when she's in the house for the 3 days,
21:47does it start to get odor?
21:49No, cuz I did the same thing as before.
21:51>> That's what I was going to ask you. Did
21:52you pour chemicals on her? No, no
21:54chemicals were poured on her. I'm
21:56talking about with like incense and
21:57candles and that type of stuff.
21:59>> Okay.
22:00No chemicals were poured.
22:01>> So, it never got to the point where
22:02she's decomposing enough where it starts
22:04to create an odor? Yeah, no. Okay. So,
22:07you got her out of the house and into
22:08the grave site prior to that. Mhm. Um
22:18um
22:19at the time this happened, you're not
22:21intoxicated.
22:22You're not high on illegal drugs. You're
22:25clear of thought and you know what's
22:27going on, correct? Yes.
22:30I apologize. That was supposed to be my
22:32alarm.
22:33Which obviously I'm
22:36way earlier. Yeah.
22:37>> [laughter]
22:38>> Since I've been up for quite some time
22:39already.
22:41So, do you know what's going to be the
22:43process with me now? Like
22:45am I going to be Obviously, I'm getting
22:47extradited to Florida, but do you know
22:49how soon? Like am I coming with you? We
22:51are working on that now. I do not know
22:53the details of how you're going to be
22:56transported back to Florida.
22:58It could be with me, but I doubt that.
23:00Usually, they have a transport unit
23:03that, you know, I don't know if they're
23:04going to use an Ohio transport unit to
23:06drive you back or if they're going to
23:09drive up from Pinellas County Mhm. with
23:12a transport van and drive you back. They
23:14I don't know if they've worked out those
23:15details as of yet.
23:17>> Now, how's this um
23:20how's this going to work? Am I going to
23:21be incarcerated in general population or
23:24because this case is so severe
23:27That will be up to the state will be up
23:29to the state attorney and the sheriff of
23:31Pinellas County [clears throat] as as
23:32the how they want you housed. Mhm. You
23:35know, if obviously if they think that
23:37you're in some type of danger, I I can't
23:39say for sure. I would imagine that they
23:41would have you in some kind of solitary
23:43unit that way you're not in any danger.
23:45Like you said, it is a very hoped
23:46high-profile case. Yeah, I'm definitely
23:49going to be targeted by people.
23:50>> There's news media like
23:53everywhere. About this? Yes. Is there
23:56news about me getting caught?
23:58I would imagine I
24:00I'd be perfectly honest with you. I'm
24:02just being told there's media. Mhm. I've
24:04either been interviewing you or someone
24:06else or at the house or attempting to
24:08get two or three hours of sleep here and
24:10there. I haven't personally seen any or
24:13spoken to any. Mhm. But I know
24:15just from phone calls that I've been
24:17receiving that the you know, the the
24:18press keeps inquiring about. They want
24:19to know what's going on. Mhm. You know,
24:21like I said, you know yourself it's
24:24an egregious
24:26horrible act and we're talking four Now
24:28we're talking four people. Mhm. You
24:31know, and then
24:33people like I asked you yesterday
24:35Yeah. one of the
24:37I think one of the questions that I
24:38asked you was like, "Okay, well, if he's
24:39killed four, maybe there's five, maybe
24:40there's six."
24:41>> Oh, yeah. You know, so
24:44people are concerned that
24:45that I'm a multi serial killer.
24:47>> They They Basically, yes, that you could
24:49be a serial killer and that there's more
24:51people out there. And that's why I asked
24:53you yesterday and
24:54I believe you that you know, you if
24:56there was
24:57Yeah, I would you got everything off and
24:59let me ask you this and I said I think
25:01you'll feel better do you feel better
25:02today? I feel a little bit better.
25:04>> bit like Like
25:06I think I'm just concerned about my kids
25:08at this point.
25:09>> Right. I'm not going to get a happy
25:10ending. We both know that.
25:12I'm more than likely because this case
25:14is a high profile I might end up going
25:16on death row. You know, we don't know.
25:21You know, just because you understand me
25:23and you understand why I did the things
25:25I did.
25:26General public isn't. General public is
25:28going to make me out to be a monster.
25:30They don't know I cared about my kids.
25:32And I am a monster to a degree. You
25:34know.
25:35Just because I didn't want to do all of
25:37this I still did it.
25:38You know.
25:41What and I I just this this isn't a
25:43question that they asked in regards to
25:45Jamie. I just thought of this myself.
25:49I'm assuming you mean you guys are
25:50living in this house. She has clothing.
25:53Where do Where do you do with all of it?
25:55Her belongings. Just leave it there. You
25:57just left them in the house and when you
25:58moved out did you give the landlord any
26:01type of notice or you just grabbed the
26:02kids, grabbed what you thought you
26:04needed and That's basically what gone.
26:06And the next place you go to you have to
26:08refresh my memory is
26:09>> Elyria. Ohio. Ohio.
26:11>> Yes. And that was with who? Just myself.
26:13>> Just yourself.
26:14>> And the kids. How do you spell it?
26:16Elyria. Elyria. With an E.
26:27That is not how I would have spelled it.
26:29Oh I know it's so freaking weird.
26:31That is definitely not how I would have
26:32spelled it. So you go straight there. So
26:35you don't have to bring any of her
26:37belongings, nothing. Mhm.
26:39Um.
26:40Okay.
26:47I'm just reading all this to make sure I
26:48asked you every single question.
26:54Can you be honest with me about
26:55something? I can attempt to. Like I like
26:57I told you yesterday, everything applies
26:58the same. I will answer anything
27:00everything I can. If I can't answer it
27:03just due to the case I'll tell you I
27:05can't, but I will try. Is there a high
27:07possibility that I'm going to be going
27:09on death row?
27:11That is up to the state attorney to
27:12decide.
27:14It is quite possible just due to the
27:17severity the I'm trying to think of a
27:19way to word it because of the amount of
27:21victims
27:22and the
27:24brutality of the way that they were
27:25killed
27:26and the fact that you went there with
27:29the intent to kill them
27:31there's a high possibility. Because one
27:33of the things that
27:35they look for for death penalty cases is
27:38premeditation which you've admitted, I'm
27:41driving there I'm going to kill them.
27:43Mhm. So you've got the premeditation and
27:45then you've got the sheer brutality
27:48of
27:49formulating a plan.
27:51You've got Rich by himself.
27:53You know, I've got to take him out now.
27:56Mhm. Well, because if there's multiple
27:57people here, somebody's going to fight
27:59me. Mhm. And I can't hit everybody at
28:01the same time, correct?
28:02>> Mhm. Yes? Yes.
28:04>> Okay. Sorry. I know. Like I said, I just
28:05want it for the record. So the fact that
28:08they call it lying in wait, like you
28:10waited Yes.
28:11>> had a plan in your head took Rich out
28:14you stood there, waited for Mom
28:17when Laura comes home, you know, as soon
28:19as she walks in the door
28:21I'm killing her. It wasn't a random act
28:23of psychosis.
28:24>> Correct. It It wasn't. You were not
28:26under the influence of drugs, not under
28:28the influence of alcohol, you were in
28:29your right mind, you knew it was wrong.
28:33Correct? Mhm. All these things that we
28:34talked about yesterday.
28:36All these things we talked about
28:37yesterday.
28:38So
28:39all of those things
28:41together
28:42Yeah.
28:43>> are our recipe for possible death case
28:45or a penalty case, yes. I just want like
28:47prepare myself and everything. Right.
28:50with death penalty, that doesn't happen
28:51right away anyway.
28:52>> Right. I've seen high profile cases
28:55larger than this.
28:56>> We're talking years.
28:58Any case is years. A death penalty case
29:00would be an extended
29:02amount of time.
29:04Um
29:05with
29:06Another question I had with the um with
29:08my case with this with Rich and Laura
29:10and Nick.
29:11There wasn't The only thing on the time
29:13that you're absolutely positive of the
29:15date and the time that you told them,
29:16the 15th going into the 16th.
29:17>> Let me show you the calendar. I
29:20I'm very highly
29:22The The only reason that we ask is that
29:27the 15th is a Saturday before 15th is a
29:30Saturday. Hold on. I'm going to go
29:32online.
29:32>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 15th is a Saturday,
29:3416th is a Sunday.
29:35>> Yes.
29:37The only reason I ask is because we were
29:39looking at Rich's phone and talking to
29:41relatives and there was a relative that
29:43said that they spoke to him on the 19th.
29:47That would be impossible. That would be
29:49impossible this year. I can So, he was
29:51promise. You're 100% sure he's deceased
29:53by the 19th.
29:54>> I'm
29:551,000% sure.
29:56>> 1,000% sure. Okay. I just I wanted to
29:58clarify that.
29:59>> Cuz here, I can Here, can I see that
30:01calendar?
30:02>> Yes.
30:03Cuz this was
30:05in the morning with Nick and it was at
30:07exactly a week later. This is the day
30:09that I left. I can promise you.
30:11>> So, the morning of the 23rd you left.
30:13Yes.
30:13>> Okay. I thought it was the 22nd. Okay.
30:15Yes. So, I can promise you no one talked
30:17to him the 19th. Okay. They could be
30:20mistaken, but I could I thought maybe
30:21that they had a picture No, people No,
30:25they did have a couple of phone calls
30:26before
30:28uh the day before that they were killed.
30:30So,
30:32there's no way he spoke to anybody on
30:33the 19th cuz he's dead. But the the day
30:36of you said he talked to her the day
30:38before The day prior you killing them.
30:40>> The day before
30:40>> Rich made phone calls or received phone
30:42calls? I think he received phone calls.
30:44Do you know by chance do you know who
30:46you were speaking to? No, cuz I didn't
30:47really
30:49you ask him one thing and you get like
30:51a 3-hour conversation and as much as a
30:54good person as he was I wasn't trying to
30:56sit there for 3 hours.
30:58Um
30:59My guess is one of his one of his kids
31:03because it was so close to Christmas and
31:04holiday season and all that. Okay.
31:08Okay, same with that. And Okay.
31:10I'm going to take some pictures of your
31:11injuries, too, before we leave. Okay,
31:14just cuz Pastore wants to show you know
31:16the injuries that you're saying are from
31:17Jamie during the when you murdered her.
31:20Mhm.
31:20Um
31:22during that
31:24um
31:25And okay, so you
31:28you're basically saying that yes, I
31:30murdered her, but it was
31:32to protect my child. Yes. Okay.
31:35If that is the case, I have to ask you a
31:37follow-up question is
31:39once this [snorts] happens
31:41she comes at your daughter with a knife,
31:43you get cut
31:45you choke her out, she's gone.
31:49Did Did the thought ever cross your mind
31:51of calling authorities?
31:54Or did that not even enter the picture?
31:56It kind of did.
31:57Like
31:59when I saw the blood come out of her
32:00mouth and everything Mhm. or not her
32:03mouth, her nose, I'm sorry. Right. Um
32:07and then I was like, no, if you know,
32:09every time when we go to the authorities
32:11to try and get help to settle this, it
32:13doesn't work.
32:14You know, in my head I foresaw what was
32:16going to happen.
32:18She was going to get all better at the
32:19hospital, you know, physically wise, and
32:22then she was going to come home and
32:23continue beating me.
32:26It was just going to continue being a
32:29bad chain.
32:31You know.
32:32I know all these horrible events
32:34happened, but at least I can say my kids
32:36won't have to
32:38witness those horrible things.
32:39>> And as we talked about yesterday, you
32:41know, I put
32:42you did
32:43Like I said,
32:44I think I wrote the way we're writing
32:45yesterday. You made some horrible
32:46choices
32:49for what you believed to be the right
32:50reasons, which were protecting your
32:51kids.
32:52People do
32:54horrible things under duress
32:56circumstances
32:58that they think that they can't control.
33:01And you know,
33:03you just made horrible life-altering
33:05decisions.
33:07Um,
33:08it's sure.
33:10The butcher knife that she had, did you
33:13leave that behind?
33:15Yes, but I I can promise you it's not
33:18going to be recovered. Um, did you clean
33:20it up and then put it back in the
33:21drawer?
33:22No, I think I just left it. Um, cuz
33:25there wasn't much of my blood on it.
33:27Like it was just a clean cut and the
33:28knife was away and then I started
33:29bleeding.
33:31Um, but that landlord like base
33:34I think she like remodeled that whole
33:36inside of the house. Okay. Did she ever
33:39try to contact you? Yes.
33:40>> Afterwards? Yes.
33:41>> assume like, "Hey, what the hell
33:43happened here?" Yeah. Um,
33:46And how
33:46>> I acted like that
33:49my wife had a big mental breakdown and
33:51that she needed to go to Ohio and
33:53everything.
33:54And then at first she believed me and
33:56then she walked into the house and said
33:57that this is ridiculous, blah blah blah.
34:00And then she was going to be coming
34:01after Jamie for money cuz my name wasn't
34:04on the lease. Oh, for damage? Yeah. Did
34:06you guys pay a security deposit?
34:08>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But like I said, I
34:10trashed the house.
34:11>> But it wasn't enough to cover the
34:12extensive damage.
34:13>> Yeah. Okay. And do you remember How many
34:16times did you talk to the landlord?
34:19Only a handful of times. Like three
34:21times.
34:21>> after you left? Yeah. Okay, so
34:24when is the first time she called after
34:26you take the kids, Jamie's buried in the
34:28backyard, you guys leave at the end of
34:30January?
34:32You pack the kids up in the Hyundai.
34:34Yeah, she like calls me. You take off to
34:36Ohio.
34:37>> That week because rent is coming up. So,
34:40I tries to make up some excuse for rent.
34:42So, you're guestimating like the first
34:44week of February? Yes. She calls you and
34:47Definitely the first week of February.
34:48>> And is asking you where the rent money
34:50is?
34:50>> Yeah. And you tell her
34:53That's when you tell her we moved out
34:55and you say No, I didn't tell her we
34:56moved yet. Um You got to Did you play it
34:59off like you're still living there?
35:00>> Yeah.
35:01And then
35:02I told her that Jamie had a psychotic
35:05breakdown.
35:06Um
35:07Believe I called her the next day to
35:09even tell her.
35:10Um
35:13And yeah, that was that was that from
35:15there. You know, she's been trying to
35:16find Jamie ever since.
35:19Okay. And the shovel was brought back to
35:21the elderly neighbor after you finished
35:23the grave. Mhm.
35:24Okay.
35:26And we discussed wrapping her in a
35:27blanket
35:28from your bedroom and then you dragged
35:30her out to the grave.
35:31>> Mhm. Correct. I'm assuming you dragged
35:32her. Yes. Yes. I I forgot I
35:35did not say anything.
35:37Okay.
35:38Um
35:39there's clean up.
35:42Um did you pawn anything that Jamie
35:44owned at that time back then? No. You
35:46didn't take any of We didn't have
35:48anything of value. Didn't have anything
35:49of value because we would pawn it. Um
35:53We were very broke. I just didn't know
35:55if you bought took something out of her
35:56house, pawned it to get gas money maybe
35:57to go to Ohio. Actually, I got money
36:00from her parents. Her parents lent me a
36:02thousand dollars. Did they How did they
36:03send that to you? They wire it to you?
36:05>> No. Uh they dropped it off. Um they
36:08thought that we were going up to Ohio.
36:11So, they personally handed it to you?
36:12Yes. And where did they ask where Jamie
36:14was? Uh yes, and I told her that she was
36:17with some friends right now. Okay. Um
36:21Yes, I'm telling her she was with his
36:23friends. Oh, cuz Jamie was a Jehovah's
36:25Witness.
36:25>> Yes. Okay. Well, claimed to be. How many
36:29Now, did you ask them? Did you Did you
36:32do like you did before with the
36:33pretending to be Yes. Jamie and you
36:35texted them and say, "Hey, Mom, Dad, we
36:37need money." Is that kind of that thing?
36:38>> Yes. Okay. And Uh I made it seem like we
36:42need money cuz she needs to go to the
36:44hospital up in Ohio.
36:47>> [clears throat]
36:48>> We didn't have insurance down in
36:49Florida.
36:51And she kind of had something with some
36:53medical thing going on anyway.
36:55Something with her heart or something
36:57like that.
36:57>> Mhm.
37:00Um so, I just used that excuse and they
37:02gave me the money.
37:04Okay. Did both Did both of them come to
37:05the house? Yes, but they didn't enter
37:07the house.
37:08>> They didn't enter? They just dropped it
37:09off with me. Okay.
37:12How long were they at the house? Just a
37:13couple minutes? Just here's the money.
37:15Yeah.
37:15Where's Jamie? She's not here and then
37:17they
37:18They already knew that she wasn't there
37:19when they were on their way. Oh, through
37:20the text messaging.
37:21>> Yes. Okay.
37:23And how many
37:25days was this closer to the time you
37:28were left or was this like right after
37:30you killed her?
37:32Oh, sorry. This was closer to the time I
37:34left. Right. So, you're basically
37:36getting money to finance
37:38Getting Getting out of Florida.
37:39>> Yes. Okay. So,
37:41how many days do you think it was after
37:43they give you the money until you leave?
37:45I think it was like 2 days afterwards.
37:47>> 2 days after you packed the kids up and
37:49Gone.
37:50Okay.
37:53All right.
38:03Can you think of anything else with the
38:06incident with Jamie
38:08that we haven't discussed, I haven't
38:10asked you, that you feel is pertinent
38:14to
38:15the investigation that's going to happen
38:16and and is happening in Pasco County
38:18with the regards to
38:20the murder of your wife?
38:22None that I can think of. You guys were
38:23legally married, correct? Okay, what
38:25state did you marry in? Florida. In
38:26Florida in Pasco County?
38:27>> West Palm Beach. West Palm Beach you
38:29were married. Okay. Was it like a like a
38:31money wedding or is it one of those go
38:33to the courthouse sign some paper deals?
38:35>> signed some papers. We went to the
38:37beach and
38:40um it was like a
38:42big beach that we went to, very popular
38:44down there. Um
38:47we had a good time.
38:49I see you have some ink there. What what
38:51do you have? It's actually her name.
38:53A rose with with her name on it. Did you
38:56get that after? No, this was before. You
38:59had that prior to to her death? Yeah.
39:01Okay. But I was never planning on
39:03removing it.
39:04Right.
39:05For obvious reasons.
39:06>> the only one you have? Uh no, I got You
39:08don't have to show them to me all.
39:09>> I got the
39:11Punisher skull right here for my dad who
39:13died.
39:14Um and then I got a Bible quote right
39:16here. What's the Bible quote? Um from
39:19Revelations 21:6, "I'm the alpha and the
39:22omega. I'm the beginning and the end."
39:23Okay. I'm not a big religion guy so I'm
39:26not going to
39:26>> not either. It was in uh
39:28one of my favorite video games and it
39:30just felt cool to me. Okay.
39:32Yeah.
39:33And you said the put one on your right
39:34arm is what? Uh Punisher skull. Oh,
39:36that's for the Okay.
39:38That was the other question I had. Um do
39:40you remember what you were wearing No.
39:42the day that you killed Rich
39:45Laura and Nick? Mhm.
39:47Okay, cuz we recovered a Punisher shirt
39:51and I think the camera I think it was a
39:52Punisher shirt and jeans in the washing
39:54machine.
39:56That might have been it. Yeah, Punisher
39:58shirt I was definitely wearing.
39:59>> That's what you were wearing when you
40:01when you murdered Yes. Okay.
40:03I just I thought of that last night when
40:04I was in my hotel room and it escaped me
40:06till now. Like I said, I'm sleep
40:07deprived like like you were yesterday
40:09and
40:10when I leave here I'll probably have
40:11another question for you but it'll
40:13probably be you know
40:14I'll probably have another question I'll
40:15think of when I get to Florida and I'll
40:16go, "Man, why didn't I ask him this or
40:19why didn't I ask him that?" Yeah, I
40:21think I got my point across when it
40:22comes to Jamie, you know, obviously
40:25there was some domestic violence going
40:26on that
40:28couldn't be resolved.
40:29>> Yeah.
40:31I want to clarify with with the Jamie
40:33thing. You choked her out. Do you move
40:36her to the bathroom and then hit her
40:37with the hammer?
40:38>> No, I hit her with the hammer first
40:39then.
40:40>> Okay.
40:41Would there be any reason for there to
40:43be like blood spatter on the wall in the
40:45bathroom?
40:49Nothing that I can think of. You never
40:51struck her again? Like she had a facial
40:53injury, she's bleeding and you you hit
40:55her and caused more spatter? No, I never
40:57struck her again. Uh why is there blood
40:59on the walls of the bathroom or
41:01something? Well, that was one of the
41:02questions I was asked was in reference
41:04to was there any reason that there would
41:06be I don't know, I'm not there. But one
41:08of the questions that they wanted to ask
41:10was
41:12would there be any reason that there
41:14would be bathroom spatter on the
41:16bathroom walls?
41:17Mhm.
41:18Tell me again.
41:19Nothing I can think of. Nothing you can
41:21think of. I've been being honest with
41:22you this I I I know you have and like I
41:24said you Like even when I put her in the
41:26bathtub, it's not like I
41:28held her about everywhere and then threw
41:30her in, you know, like it was tough to
41:32lift her in there.
41:33So, do you I mean
41:35I can't remember. Right, but you never
41:38struck her where it would have been
41:40projected off of her from you striking
41:42her.
41:42>> No.
41:43But it could be possibly from you
41:45putting her into the tub maybe. That's
41:46the only thing I can think of.
41:47>> That's the only thing you can think of
41:48then.
41:48>> struck her once with the hammer. Right.
41:51So, but that's the only way that we
41:53believe or that you believe that it
41:55could have possibly been Yeah. put onto
41:57the walls or in a you know, spatter. I
42:00don't know. Okay.
42:02Okay.
42:03Um
42:04I think I had to ask you again.
42:06Um
42:06You're right-handed, correct? Okay,
42:08that's the hand you grabbed it with and
42:10And had you
42:11enact that.
42:12Um
42:14When do I get to a
42:16Do Am I going to be appointed with an
42:18attorney?
42:20When you get Well,
42:21um
42:22>> I know I don't have one right now.
42:23>> Right. That was the waiver That was the
42:24waiver you signed. That was your choice
42:26that you know you didn't want an
42:26attorney. You would talk to me at this
42:27time. Once you get to the actual when
42:31you get transferred from here to I don't
42:33know where their facilities are, but I'm
42:34imagining the jail. Once you're there, I
42:37don't know what their time frame is, but
42:38you'll be appointed a um Of course I
42:41wanted an attorney.
42:43So, do you have He's not going to really
42:46be able to help me out much with this
42:47case, is he? Because of my confession.
42:50>> I I I can't answer that. I mean I I've
42:52had people
42:53confess to things and they get an
42:55attorney and then they decide that they
42:56want to change their mind and they like
42:57I told you yesterday No, you don't have
42:59to worry about that. I can promise
43:01Right. You don't worry about that.
43:04I'm just trying to not get on death row.
43:07Like if we can arrange something with
43:08the attorney to make me not get on death
43:10row.
43:11My kids have lost
43:13They've already lost their mother due to
43:15me.
43:16The only reason why I want to stay
43:17around is so
43:19I can maybe get in contact with them.
43:21You know, if they ever have any
43:21questions, I'm there.
43:24You know, cuz eventually they're going
43:25to grow up. Why'd you kill my damn mom?
43:28Exactly. If I'm dead, I can't answer
43:29that. Correct. Well, that was And that
43:31memory is when I asked you if you wanted
43:33to write a letter and you were like I'll
43:34do it when I get to jail. That was one
43:36of the reasons why is cuz you know I've
43:38I I've given multiple people that
43:40opportunity and they're like yes, can
43:41you in their handwriting note it can you
43:43get this to my kids?
43:45And
43:46you know, like And I understand your
43:47point of view. I I would be the same
43:49way. I mean, you did some horrific
43:50stuff, but you still
43:52they're still your babies. That was the
43:54pretty basically the reason for this
43:55whole chain of events was them and you
43:58want to be around to make sure, you
44:01know, what limited capacity you can just
44:03to watch them grow up and to answer any
44:04questions they might have.
44:06Even you know, just sending a letter
44:09just saying I love you, you know, they
44:10may be having a shitty day and it could
44:12just
44:13Right. brighten them up, man. You know,
44:15I love my kids. I know that.
44:18I know, man. It's okay to cry, bro. It's
44:20okay to cry. I I'd probably be balling
44:22my eyes out. You know.
44:24I
44:26I just want them to have the happy
44:28ending, you know.
44:30After I
44:31killed my wife, I knew somewhere that
44:33there wasn't going to be a happy ending
44:35for me.
44:36But, if I could just
44:38make a happy ending for them, that's all
44:40I cared about.
44:42I'm content with
44:45going to jail for my crimes and rotting
44:47for life
44:48or however long this planet decides to
44:50hold up before
44:52we blow it up or whatever the hell
44:55happens. I'm
44:57just want my kids okay.
44:59I just want them to have a good life.
45:02Right.
45:05I understand. I do.
45:08You know, like I told you yesterday, I'd
45:10do anything for my son, just
45:11you know,
45:13basically what you did for your
45:14children.
45:15So.
45:16And
45:17there will I'm sure there will be
45:18questions
45:20for them when they get older. I know
45:22there will. You know, and you're going
45:23to have
45:24a lot of tough
45:26letters to write or
45:29visitations or however that transpires,
45:32you know,
45:33you're
45:34you're the one that has to
45:37live with your crimes.
45:40You know, you're the one like we talked
45:41about yesterday. I said, "What do you
45:42see when you Mariah asked you I don't
45:43know if you remember what do you see
45:44when you go to bed at night?"
45:47You know.
45:48You're the one who has to relive the
45:50chain of events, the one that, you know,
45:52and
45:54you know what I mean? It is tough. I
45:56mean,
45:57breaks my heart every every day, man.
46:00You know.
46:02They were good people and they didn't
46:03deserve that.
46:05And
46:08now it's
46:10almost as if it was all done for
46:12nothing, but
46:16I can't believe that. You know, I have
46:18to believe that
46:21I have to believe that my kids are going
46:23to get a happy ending and that I didn't
46:25sacrifice those people for no reason.
46:33You know, I know it's
46:36probably strange, but it it hurts.
46:38It hurts my heart.
46:40You know,
46:41I loved my wife greatly.
46:43I stuck with her through thick and thin,
46:46you know.
46:48I mean, I got beat every day, man.
46:50Sometimes with a hammer. There was one
46:51time with a shovel.
46:54And I just stuck with her cuz I loved
46:55her and I loved my kids and
46:59I just wanted her to get better.
47:03And of course there was there was
47:06obviously different and better ways to
47:08go about things, but
47:13well, I just need my kids to be all
47:15right.
47:22You know, I mean, I I hope with trusting
47:25you people that they will be all right.
47:28Yeah, like I told you before, I mean, I
47:30spoke to one of the supervisors with the
47:32agency here and they basically said, you
47:35know, once the the background's done on
47:36the family, they can ensure that they're
47:39releasing your children to a good and
47:41safe home.
47:42That it, you know, that
47:43that's the next step.
47:45Will I ever know what happens to them?
47:48Well, I mean, and unless I call my mom.
47:51You will either have to I will not
47:53Obviously, I'm not staying in Ohio.
47:55Well, yeah. Yeah, no, I know that. I
47:57won't be you know if we get you updates.
47:58I mean, if I am still here
48:00and I get an update, I will most
48:03definitely either tell you in person or
48:04have it relayed to you and I will tell
48:06them when I come out, you know, that you
48:08would like updates when they get them as
48:11to the location of the children if and
48:13when they are placed with your mother.
48:15So, you know, I know that's your number
48:18one concern is I want my kids safe. I
48:20want them Well, I mean, like I said, my
48:22mother's the only living relative around
48:24besides all my relatives in Texas.
48:27I mean, there are her relatives. But,
48:29you said like your grandmother's elderly
48:31and she's the the kids were Yeah.
48:33>> too much for Yeah. Well, I'm talking
48:34about my mom's side. That was my dad's
48:36side that was staying with.
48:37>> Oh, okay. Okay. But,
48:39she'll definitely
48:42I'm just concerned about that Mexico
48:44[ __ ] That like happened at the worst
48:46possible time. But, like you said, the
48:48CPS will keep them until
48:50The I mean, that they can keep them
48:53You know, the the last thing that they
48:55the last thing that they want to do and
48:56I'm assuming that in Florida, I can
48:59always speak for Florida, the CPI or CP
49:01What do they call it up here? CPS. CPS
49:03is here is I would assume
49:07almost the same as in Florida. And I
49:09know in in Florida, they do everything
49:11in their power to keep children
49:13with their family. with
49:15blood relative family. The last thing
49:18they want to do is Cuz my mom's
49:19interested. The only thing is is, you
49:22know, this trip to Mexico. Right.
49:24Right. So, I mean, Well, it's not going
49:26to be like a forfeit or anything like
49:27that. You know, I don't I want to assure
49:29you of that just because she's going to
49:30Mexico, they're not going to go, "Oh,
49:31well, she's not available this week, so
49:32they're gone." Okay. You know, that
49:34doesn't work like that. They want to
49:36They want to place the kids with a blood
49:38relative. The The children are already
49:40going to be traumatized cuz you know,
49:42they've lost their mom. Well, they don't
49:44remember their mom. They're going to be
49:45traumatized. They may. Well, your son
49:47may not. Your daughter may. Well, I
49:49don't know that for a fact. I'm not a
49:51child psychologist. I can't I'm not a
49:52memory expert, but she may.
49:55You know, we can't discount the fact
49:56that she might. Feel anything traumatic
49:58for them is going to be not having me
50:00there.
50:01Cuz
50:02they're used to me there 24/7.
50:05I'm there when they wake up and I'm
50:06there when they go to sleep.
50:08Right.
50:10That hurts my heart, too.
50:12But
50:14eventually they'll forget about me in
50:16that regard and rely on my mom. Well,
50:19and you have to look at the
50:21There there could be I'm going to say a
50:23silver lining to this.
50:25The silver lining to this being is how
50:27long has your mom lived where she lives
50:28now?
50:30Shh, my whole life basically.
50:31>> Your whole life, so Like for life.
50:33Definitely my whole childhood. So, over
50:3520 years your mom's lived in the same
50:37place. She's a stable home.
50:39Does she work? Yes. She has a stable
50:42stable. She works. My step Stepdad you
50:44said is a nice man. Yes. He works.
50:47So, you know your kids are going to be
50:49taken care of and I think a very big
50:52plus is going to be they're in one
50:54place.
50:55Stable. With people that love them and
50:58it's stable. Because
51:01you know, their whole life has been
51:02what?
51:04Instability. Instability. [ __ ] hated
51:06it.
51:06>> Chaos.
51:09You know, from what you're telling me,
51:11domestic violence.
51:13Chaos.
51:15Death.
51:16Moving.
51:17Moving.
51:19I mean, how many times have we you moved
51:21since your since the birth of your first
51:23child? I shouldn't say your first child
51:25cuz your first child is older. Since the
51:27birth of Bella,
51:29how many times have you moved? Can't
51:31even keep track.
51:33It's been that much.
51:35You know, partly has been my fault.
51:37Partly has been her fault.
51:40Right, but I'm saying the the importance
51:41of stability in that child even at that
51:45age,
51:46that chaos
51:48of
51:49Oh, we're moving again. Pack up your
51:51things. Whoop, move. New state, new
51:54people, new neighbors, new new
51:55surroundings, new this. Then you're
51:57there for maybe like when you were
51:59were you in that Norwood address where
52:02you killed your wife?
52:04You're there for what? A couple months?
52:06And then boom, you're gone and you move
52:08to
52:09Ohio for Elyria? Elyria. Elyria, Ohio.
52:13You move there.
52:15Couple months.
52:15>> Then then you're there for a couple
52:16months and then you go Is that when you
52:18moved to Texas with grandma?
52:21Then you're there for a little while.
52:23She says I can't handle this.
52:25Then you go out in your own place.
52:27So you're talking in in like the last
52:29couple years you moved
52:32multiple multiple times, right?
52:34So now
52:37you're together with mom,
52:38stable,
52:40you know, they're going to be loved,
52:42they're stable.
52:43What? I know my mom will let me talk to
52:45them, too.
52:47Cuz she said that she'll always love me.
52:49Even after I told her everything I did
52:52on the phone. Which I know you guys are
52:54recording, but I already confessed
52:55anyway, so
52:59And I'm sure your mom has questions,
53:00too.
53:01And I'm sure your mom
53:03and deep down in her heart wants to
53:05believe my son could not possibly done
53:06this. So when you told her that, it
53:08probably Oh yeah, dude. You remember
53:09when I was on the phone with her? She
53:11was just like,
53:12"Are you just like saying this right
53:13now? Like are you having a psychotic
53:15psychotic breakdown? Blah blah blah."
53:17No.
53:18Wish I was, but no.
53:20Yeah. Well,
53:21would you want to believe that one of
53:22your children was capable of such
53:24acts?
53:25I guarantee
53:27your mother is like, "There is no way
53:30that that little boy" cuz I guarantee
53:32you she still sees you as
53:35a certain age.
53:37You know, she in her mind she pictures
53:38my little Shelby. She's not picturing
53:42my grown adult son, there's no possible
53:45way the boy that I raised could have
53:46done this horrific stuff. I guarantee
53:48you that's
53:49you know.
53:50>> want to do this, sir.
53:52I promise you in my heart and my soul
53:55I did not want to do this.
53:58They were good people.
54:01They were.
54:04And I just want to be a good person.
54:06Yeah. I try my best to be nice to
54:09people, to be good to people.
54:11You can ask everybody who knows me, you
54:14know, they'll tell you that I am
54:17a kind-hearted person. Who And on that
54:20topic, while I'm in Ohio, who Who do you
54:23think You were the detective and let's
54:26switch seats. I'm over there, you're
54:27over here.
54:28Who would you think that I need to go
54:30talk to while I'm in Ohio?
54:32I'll give you a list. Give me a list,
54:34huh?
54:35Let's put a line underneath Aliyah and
54:37you can
54:38if you put the full name
54:40first and last name and if you have an
54:41address or a phone number offhand that
54:43you remember, I know you don't have your
54:44phone, so if you don't know you don't
54:45have to give
54:45>> have my phone.
54:46>> Yeah, I can't do that, but if you can
54:47just give me the names and possible or
54:49address or where they live because I
54:52want to talk to everybody so I can when
54:54I do my entire report, I can paint a
54:56complete picture of you know, like
54:58remember when we started talking
54:59yesterday, I asked you all the way back
55:00to your childhood. You know, how was
55:02your childhood? Because I want I want to
55:04know everything I can possibly know
55:05about Shelby from the time he was born
55:07until So that they do go up.
55:10They can see a different person than
55:12just this random act of violence. Well,
55:14I want you to I want
55:16I'm not going to
55:17I I want to paint picture of you.
55:21You know, from everything you've told me
55:22and everything everybody else tells me
55:24and
55:25>> [snorts]
55:25>> the judge, jury, if it ever goes that
55:27far, they can
55:29make their own decisions on Shelby. You
55:32know, like you said, I know people are
55:33going to see me as a monster.
55:35You know, I'm sure
55:37from what I've learned of you so far,
55:40everybody that I've talked to said he
55:42loved those kids more than anything. I
55:44mean, he was so attentive to those kids.
55:45He did everything for them.
55:47You know, to me
55:49that doesn't sound like a monster.
55:55Sorry, I'm just trying to think in my
55:56head.
56:00And these are all persons in Ohio? Yes.
56:03Okay.
56:11You're going to have to catch him, her,
56:14him
56:15and him before tomorrow. Are they going
56:18to Mexico? Yes. I can give you their
56:20address though. Okay.
56:22I'll write it next to Lisa. Is that mom?
56:25Yes. Okay.
56:29And if you would, just so I I'm not
56:32going to know who people are. If you
56:33want to just write like in the column
56:34friend, mother, brother, whatever their
56:37relationship is to you.
56:52I'm sorry for breaking down there.
56:53You're good. If you eat We got You have
56:55the whole piece Just like the map
56:56yesterday, you don't have to use that
56:57little section. You have the whole piece
56:59of paper, so
57:00I don't want you to
57:03try to squeeze it all in there. You got
57:04plenty of room.
57:37>> This grandma lives in Ohio.
57:39It's all good. As for her address,
57:41you'll have to get it from my mom. Okay.
57:43Is it somewhere close to her?
57:45It's in the area. So, about like 45
57:48minutes. Okay. Um as far as Thomas, he's
57:51the same friend that I got the house
57:52with. So, roommate. Okay. I believe
57:55detectives spoke with him. The Ohio
57:56detectives spoke with him. I will verify
57:59that if they have not, then I will
58:00personally speak with him also. And I
58:03believe they have, but I haven't read
58:04like the transcript of what he said. Is
58:06he okay? Yeah, he's fine. Is he going to
58:08get to keep the house and everything?
58:11I don't know that for I would imagine
58:12cuz it's my understanding you paid for
58:14the rent like yeah for the year. Yeah,
58:16and it's all underneath his name. Okay.
58:18Then I I can't foresee an incident if
58:20it's paid for it. As long as the
58:23monies were used were from your oil job
58:25and they weren't from
58:27a product of the murder.
58:29Like you know what I mean? Like
58:30Do you know all that money that you all
58:32the jewelry and everything you sold and
58:34all that wasn't proceeds that you paid
58:36for the rent.
58:37>> No. It was all from your oil job.
58:39>> money is basically gone. Like that was
58:41like cuz I wasn't getting for it. I was
58:43basically like hotel money.
58:47Food money.
58:48Like that. Weed money.
58:51Like that. What ho- what hotel?
58:53Oh god.
58:55I can't even remember, man.
58:57I stayed at a couple.
59:00Okay, cuz I we just we talked about this
59:01yesterday. I don't I don't remember you
59:02saying anything about staying at a
59:03hotel. Yeah, I stayed at
59:06at a hotel when I got up to Ohio.
59:09Oh, when you got up here afterwards
59:10before you moved in. Yeah, cuz we got
59:11the I'm sorry. Cuz we got the house the
59:1324th, but everything was closed. So, I
59:16couldn't buy any furniture or anything
59:19along those lines. So, I got a hotel.
59:21Where was the hotel?
59:23Just the name of the city it'll be
59:25that'll be great. I can track it down. I
59:26know it's in Cleveland.
59:28Downtown Cleveland? No. Or outskirts of
59:30Cleveland? Just Cleveland in general.
59:36I forget, man. I'm really sorry. It's a
59:39It's the only hotel around here though
59:40that takes cash.
59:42Cleveland Hotel takes cash? Mhm. And how
59:45many days did you stay there? It was
59:46just one. One night? That's it? Any
59:48other hotels? Mhm.
59:50So one hotel, one night, Cleveland. Mhm.
59:53Only one that would take cash. Did you
59:54have to call around and say, "Do you
59:56take cash?"
59:57Once to like a couple of them and
59:58they're like, "Yeah, we we don't take
1:00:00cash."
1:00:01I was like, "Why? Like you guys are
1:00:02literally having the cash in your hand."
1:00:06I'm not paying to destroy a room.
1:00:09But um
1:00:10yeah.
1:00:11Literally, it's the only one around here
1:00:13that takes cash.
1:00:15Okay. If
1:00:17How So how far from here would that
1:00:20hotel be? How long did it take you to
1:00:21drive there? I'm just trying to narrow
1:00:22it down cuz when I leave
1:00:23>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to try to
1:00:24narrow it down and get a try to get a
1:00:26receipt. Did you use
1:00:27>> be it'll be easy. All you got to do is
1:00:28look up Shelby Neely and you should be
1:00:30able to find the name. Right. You used
1:00:32your own Do you use a Florida driver's
1:00:34license? Your ID card? Anything? An ID
1:00:36card, right?
1:00:36>> Yes. So you used that. Yeah. So it
1:00:38should be fairly easy to find. And that
1:00:40would have been the
1:00:42Christmas Eve?
1:00:43>> Yeah. You stayed there Christmas Eve to
1:00:44Christmas morning? Yes. Okay. And then
1:00:46you moved So you moved in like one day
1:00:49and then you moved in Christmas morning?
1:00:51>> Did I stay in the hotel Christmas night,
1:00:52too?
1:00:54I think I might have stayed in one
1:00:56Christmas night, too, cuz everything was
1:00:58still closed.
1:01:00This the same one?
1:01:03Same hotel or different hotel?
1:01:05>> That's right. I didn't Wait. I just
1:01:06slept on the floor.
1:01:09At the house? Yeah.
1:01:10>> Slept on the floor of the house? I slept
1:01:11on the floor with you? Yeah. On
1:01:13Christmas.
1:01:14Okay. Cuz I wasn't trying to do that
1:01:16hotel thing again.
1:01:18Um
1:01:21yeah. On Christmas.
1:01:22Okay.
1:01:25All right, my man.
1:01:26Um is there anything else you can think
1:01:28of you want to ask me or if I can try to
1:01:29answer for you before I leave?
1:01:32Yeah, second. Yes. Okay, that was just
1:01:34going to say I'm going to step out for
1:01:34just a second and then I'll be I'll be
1:01:36right back, okay? Oopsy.
1:01:38Take this with me.
1:01:39Okay.
1:01:41Be right back.
1:01:47All right, I almost forgot.
1:01:49I want to take the pictures Mhm. of the
1:01:51injuries that you said you sustained the
1:01:52night that
1:01:54Jamie was murdered.
1:01:55Okay? Okay. And I'm just going to take
1:01:57them with my phone for now and maybe if
1:01:59they want to do them later again, they
1:02:00can do them. Could you do me a favor? I
1:02:03can. Let me do this and then So, this is
1:02:06I'm going to take a one from far away.
1:02:08Right forearm.
1:02:09And then that's the scar.
1:02:12All right, then you said foot.
1:02:15And this is going to be your right foot.
1:02:18With that right there, right?
1:02:19>> Yeah.
1:02:27Okay.
1:02:32Okay.
1:02:33So,
1:02:34um
1:02:35So, you
1:02:37This is crazy cuz I I the last name
1:02:38thing just threw me for a loop and then
1:02:39we're and then I think we're done.
1:02:41Um do you like when you tell people your
1:02:43name, do you go by Shelby Neely or do
1:02:45you go by Shelly Shelby Sensen? I
1:02:47usually just go by Neely at this point.
1:02:50Um what happened with that? Did the DMV
1:02:52[ __ ] up
1:02:54the DMV
1:02:55in Florida, West Palm? They [ __ ] up.
1:02:57Okay. Um they basically made my name
1:02:59Neely even though it's Sensen and I had
1:03:02all the documents to say that.
1:03:04And then yeah.
1:03:05So, my legal name is Sensen though.
1:03:08Okay. Yeah, cuz I got the name change in
1:03:112003. So, okay, you did have a legal
1:03:13name change
1:03:14>> Yes, I had a legal name change.
1:03:15>> to Sensen which is your real name?
1:03:18Which is my stepdad's last name.
1:03:19>> Stepdad's last name. Okay. And then,
1:03:21like I said, they messed up when it went
1:03:23up there.
1:03:24Do you think I could call my mom?
1:03:26Um as soon as we walk out of here, I'll
1:03:28ask them. I don't know what their
1:03:29procedure is on that. No, I'll ask.
1:03:31Okay. I just want to
1:03:33let her know that CPS has the kids and
1:03:35that they're going to be doing
1:03:37background checks and all that. Okay.
1:03:38Let me go with the detective. I'll ask.
1:03:41All right. Right back.
1:03:43Thank you, guys.
1:03:47All right.
1:03:53I'll let the detective
1:03:58I'm not going to let me do this
1:04:01cuz I'm already signed in on another
1:04:02phone.
1:04:14So, is there anything else going on with
1:04:15your family today?
1:04:17Like I think the future
1:04:19>> idea yet, to be honest with you. Yeah.
1:04:21CEO said something about maybe moving me
1:04:23to downtown county or something like
1:04:25that. That That's what he said. That's
1:04:28what he's in a rush to do. That doesn't
1:04:29mean that's what's going to happen. And
1:04:30then this detective
1:04:31>> He's not a detective.
1:04:35Um
1:04:36What's What's phone number? 440
1:04:41Cuz I got to let them know you're coming
1:04:43back. Real quick, what's his
1:04:45Your um full name and what state it is
1:04:47um Bella Rose and Thanks, buddy. I was
1:04:50on the phone with Pasco and I was
1:04:51relaying to him all the chain of events
1:04:56that you relayed to them. Um
1:04:59The incident with the hammer, when she
1:05:00hit you with the hammer, was that the
1:05:01same day or was that a different day?
1:05:04Way earlier in the year.
1:05:05Same house or a different house?
1:05:07Different house. Where Where did you
1:05:08live prior again?
1:05:13They moved with her parents before that,
1:05:15but that's not where it happened. It
1:05:16happened in Ohio.
1:05:19Unknown address in Ohio is where she hit
1:05:20hit you with a hammer?
1:05:21>> No, my I mean, yeah, I don't know the
1:05:23address, but it was
1:05:26her aunt's house.
1:05:29Her aunt technically owns the house now.
1:05:32And
1:05:34were the police called for that?
1:05:37No, no police. It's okay.
1:05:39Where Police were rarely called.
1:05:43Um but when they were, they always took
1:05:45her away.
1:05:47And then she always came back. Okay. Do
1:05:49you remember specific places where you
1:05:52lived where the police were called and
1:05:54she ran away? Okay, where would that be?
1:05:56Um um
1:05:58Like specific addresses? If you have
1:06:00them.
1:06:01If not, at least a jurisdiction, like
1:06:02what sheriff's office it would have been
1:06:04or what police department would have
1:06:05been. All right, so
1:06:07first place um
1:06:10was Cleveland, Ohio off Pearl Road.
1:06:13Cleveland
1:06:15Pearl Road?
1:06:19Okay.
1:06:20And she arrested? Uh yes, she was taken.
1:06:23She wasn't arrested, but she was taken
1:06:24for her psychological
1:06:27>> mental evaluation? Yes. She uh
1:06:30she had beat on me and then she had
1:06:32threatened the baby.
1:06:34Beating on you with hands or with
1:06:36weapon? With hands, pepper spray, all
1:06:38that good
1:06:40Um and then she held her newborn
1:06:42daughter up like this over the concrete.
1:06:47Okay.
1:06:48Any other I got a question. Mhm.
1:06:53Are the records of police calls always
1:06:55on there? Yes, that's why I'm asking you
1:06:57because the sheriff's office wants to
1:06:58look into any issues of domestic
1:07:00violence between the two of you so they
1:07:02can pull all the police reports and do
1:07:03research on what you're saying so we We
1:07:05validate what you're saying.
1:07:06>> Okay.
1:07:08I think O Joe for domestic violence. You
1:07:10went? Yes. Um
1:07:12with her. It was at the
1:07:13>> Both of you arrested? No. I basically
1:07:16took the fall. Okay. Where was that?
1:07:18This was at the aunt's house
1:07:21Broadview Heights. Broadview Heights?
1:07:23>> Yes. Is that Poplar Oil? Yes. I'm sorry.
1:07:26I forgot all the names.
1:07:29But this is a good thing to bring up.
1:07:31Yes. Um
1:07:33Domestic violence um
1:07:35I took the fall for her. I basically
1:07:37said I hit her and all On that one?
1:07:39Yeah. I even
1:07:41I even called the cop cops on myself and
1:07:43all that. Or I believe.
1:07:45Um
1:07:47Broadview Heights there was a ton of cop
1:07:49calls there. Make multiple calls?
1:07:51Multiple.
1:07:54Do you remember the address there?
1:07:56I do not. So it's Broadview Heights,
1:07:58Ohio. Yes.
1:08:00Okay.
1:08:02So they said Wallings Road. Wallings
1:08:04Road?
1:08:06W A L L I N G S? Yeah.
1:08:11Another place she got police called on
1:08:13her heavily.
1:08:14West Palm Beach, Lake Worth.
1:08:20Lake Worth Sheriff? Yes.
1:08:24Was she ever arrested? Yes. And played
1:08:27and Baker acted. Baker acted? Yeah.
1:08:32Do you know if she was arrested or Baker
1:08:33acted or both? She was Baker acted. How
1:08:36many times? One?
1:08:38No. She was Baker acted like three to
1:08:40four times there.
1:08:43You guys will be able to see that,
1:08:45right? Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Definitely. Um
1:08:47Spring Hill, Florida.
1:08:50That was
1:08:52domestic violence on her part towards
1:08:54her parents.
1:08:57Was she arrested? Yes.
1:08:59But that's the one where the parents
1:09:00dropped the case and all that good [ __ ]
1:09:03Mhm.
1:09:04What do you remember when that was
1:09:06about?
1:09:12September. September of 2017.
1:09:17And these other ones?
1:09:19The West Palm, 2015.
1:09:22Okay.
1:09:24Broadie Heights, 2017.
1:09:28And Cleveland?
1:09:302016.
1:09:33Okay.
1:09:34And they they were asking me to go more
1:09:35in detail with What? And I know you said
1:09:38it was ongoing domestic violence.
1:09:40Usually I'm sorry, I'll need to stop it.
1:09:43Can I use the bathroom? I'll be right
1:09:44>> Sure. This [ __ ] finally got me. Yeah.
1:09:48Where is the restroom?
1:09:50What's that? Restroom. Sure thing.
1:09:54I'm just being honest with you guys. I'm
1:09:55probably going to
1:09:58I have to take a personal
1:10:01West Palm Beach. Yeah, the video we
1:10:03identified the guy that used your
1:10:04credit card.
1:10:06We're in charge of
1:10:07Okay, no. Thank you.
1:10:11Better? Yeah.
1:10:12Okay.
1:10:13Sorry, I was just worrying about my
1:10:15kids.
1:10:15>> I got I got Hey, I'm 100% with you on
1:10:18that. Like I told you, I only have one,
1:10:19and I would be in the same the same as
1:10:21you are. Um I just got off the phone
1:10:23with my mom, and I know she's going
1:10:25through a lot right now, especially
1:10:26after hearing all this. Yeah. But she
1:10:29can't give me a definite definite answer
1:10:31whether or not she would raise the kids
1:10:32or not, which is
1:10:34kind of scary to me, but I think at the
1:10:36end of the day, she'll make the right
1:10:37choice.
1:10:39I hope so. I hope so. I hope so.
1:10:41All right. Um Now, just follow up
1:10:43questions. Yes. So, are those all the
1:10:45incidents you can think of? Spring Hill,
1:10:47she was arrested for domestic on her
1:10:49parents September 2017.
1:10:51Um Bay Rack, at least it three to four
1:10:53times, 2015 West Palm. Yes. Lake Worth
1:10:56as owed. We can look it up if you don't
1:10:58remember a street.
1:11:00Um, you were 10-15, you call on
1:11:02yourself.
1:11:03Broadview Heights, but there's multiple
1:11:05other calls about domestics.
1:11:07And then
1:11:09Cleveland, Ohio, Pearl Road, 2016, she
1:11:12was Baker Acted.
1:11:14Oh, well, they don't do Baker Acting up
1:11:16here. Yeah, they put her in the Mental
1:11:18Eval or something like that. Equivalent
1:11:20of a Baker Act. Yeah.
1:11:22I think it was because she just got done
1:11:24having a kid and all that.
1:11:26Like postpartum depression kind of
1:11:27thing. Okay.
1:11:29Um, they asked me to go back the night
1:11:32that you killed Jamie.
1:11:35That day you said she beat you up. What
1:11:38time of day did that is what what
1:11:40>> She died during the day, too. She died
1:11:42during the day?
1:11:43>> Yeah, she didn't die at night. Okay. So,
1:11:45let that morning
1:11:47Everything's good?
1:11:48No. It starts off crappy as soon as you
1:11:51guys wake up?
1:11:52>> Yeah, cuz her dog is lost.
1:11:54Um
1:11:55It was my fault. Like I let him out and
1:11:58I didn't stay out there with him. Um
1:12:01So, you let the dog out and just went
1:12:02back in or Well, the backyard had like
1:12:05an a hole in the fence. Um
1:12:07like
1:12:09towards this way when you're coming out
1:12:11on the dining
1:12:12onto that little dining area. Mhm. Um
1:12:17So, he went out that way. I think I
1:12:18remember now. That
1:12:19>> Was that the night before or was that
1:12:20that morning?
1:12:21>> Night before.
1:12:21>> Night before. Yeah.
1:12:24So, she's all upset about that, blaming
1:12:26me for that, and basically attacking me
1:12:27all night and all that stuff.
1:12:30So, when you say attacking you,
1:12:32physically attacking you?
1:12:33>> Yes, sir. Punch, slap, and kick? Slap,
1:12:35kick, grab my balls, grabbed anything
1:12:38that would hurt me. No weapons though?
1:12:40Uh
1:12:42She might have whacked me with a couple
1:12:43of things. I can't remember though.
1:12:44Okay. But, you know, she usually did
1:12:47start whacking me Okay. when um
1:12:50So, time you go to you go to bed that
1:12:53Oh, I don't go to bed. You don't go to
1:12:54bed? No.
1:12:56She has me staying up all night looking
1:12:58for the dog and this and that.
1:13:05Okay.
1:13:08And she's still upset in the morning, so
1:13:10this continues into the afternoon.
1:13:14And then that's where it gets to the
1:13:15knife part and we know what happens from
1:13:17there.
1:13:18So, continues into the morning. Now, is
1:13:21she still being abusive, still hitting
1:13:23you or like is it just like nonstop
1:13:25anytime she gets close to you, she's
1:13:27hitting you kind of thing or is she like
1:13:28seeking you out? She was She would seek
1:13:31me out. There were times where she would
1:13:33seek me out. The only
1:13:34The only reason she would stop at times
1:13:36is cuz it would like physically tire me
1:13:38tire her out.
1:13:43But yeah, she would just
1:13:45I would say something and then she would
1:13:46just start an argument with me and then
1:13:48get up and
1:13:49tell me that she's going to attack me.
1:13:52She would tell you I'm going to attack
1:13:54you?
1:13:54>> Oh, yeah.
1:13:57The one The one time we went out and she
1:14:00bought a knife and she told me that she
1:14:02was going to kill me with that knife.
1:14:08So, you you had mentioned earlier that
1:14:11from this these attacks you were bloody.
1:14:14Mhm. And you were laying on the floor.
1:14:16Mhm.
1:14:17What were you Where were you bleeding
1:14:18from? Face, nose?
1:14:21>> Face, uh cuz she would scratch me a lot,
1:14:23too. So, I was just
1:14:25bleeding randomly everywhere.
1:14:27So, facial bleeding Definitely, uh
1:14:30body bleeding, too, cuz
1:14:33when she would
1:14:35when she would get into those modes, she
1:14:37would usually have me remove clothing to
1:14:39make it more harmful to me and to make
1:14:41it hurt more.
1:14:43She would tell you to take your clothes
1:14:44off? Yeah.
1:14:46Yeah, there was a time where she made
1:14:48told me to strip down naked and go sit
1:14:50outside.
1:14:51In one
1:14:53uh
1:14:55If I tried to come inside, she would
1:14:57hit me with a belt. Okay. So, we When
1:15:00you're laying on the floor, are you
1:15:01naked or do you wear clothes on I have
1:15:03I just don't have a shirt on, but I have
1:15:05a pants on. Pants on?
1:15:07>> Yeah.
1:15:11And what is
1:15:12>> I remember it was I was bleeding and all
1:15:14that stuff and she
1:15:16she had continuously been beating me
1:15:17with a belt and then she was like, "You
1:15:20know what? This obviously isn't doing
1:15:21[ __ ] Let me go grab something else."
1:15:24That's when she goes and grabs the
1:15:25knife.
1:15:28I'm sorry. I'm really not trying to keep
1:15:30adding details and That's fine. I'm just
1:15:32keep remembering.
1:15:36Beating you with a belt, you're on the
1:15:37floor.
1:15:38Yeah, well, she makes me go to the
1:15:40floor. I don't I'm not on the floor
1:15:43purposely. Like I'm
1:15:46Like just from like being beaten down
1:15:48that bad. Like I'm on the floor cuz it's
1:15:50like, "Dude, you need to [ __ ] stop.
1:15:52Like I I'm literally laying here. Just
1:15:54stop."
1:15:54>> You're like on the floor in a submission
1:15:56submissive position
1:15:57>> Yeah. hoping she'll stop.
1:15:58>> Oh, yeah, cuz I'm bleeding. I got red
1:16:00marks all over me from that leather ass
1:16:02about
1:16:02>> And she said, "This isn't working" or
1:16:04something like that or Yeah, and that's
1:16:05when she runs to the kitchen
1:16:07and that's when I'm slowly getting up
1:16:09and everything and she comes out with a
1:16:10knife, tells me to get down, but then I
1:16:13say no.
1:16:14That's when mom does that and then goes
1:16:17after Bella.
1:16:19And then
1:16:20we know the story from there.
1:16:22And what time of day was it you said? It
1:16:24was around afternoon, like early
1:16:25afternoon.
1:16:28You remember the day of the week by any
1:16:30chance? It it
1:16:35Did they find her?
1:16:37They're still working on it. It's a very
1:16:39tedious process when you're trying to
1:16:41unearth somebody.
1:16:43>> waiting for the search warrant or
1:16:44something?
1:16:45>> I don't know what the status of that is,
1:16:46but I will tell you when they do get the
1:16:48warrant or if they have it, they have to
1:16:49go
1:16:51like little very methodically
1:16:54when they're excavating them, especially
1:16:55human remains. I don't know if you've
1:16:56ever watched any shows like that, but
1:16:57they have to go like layer by layer.
1:16:59They can't just get a backhoe and just
1:17:01start scooping because they don't know
1:17:03how deep she is. And you said you think
1:17:065 ft, right? Yes, roughly. Yeah.
1:17:10Um but
1:17:12if you're you know, if I just said,
1:17:13"Hey, Shelby says she's 5 ft down." and
1:17:15they measure 5 ft and they just start
1:17:17scooping up and she's at 4, Mhm. they're
1:17:19going to damage her remains. And we
1:17:21don't want to do that. You you
1:17:22understand? Yes, so we're probably going
1:17:24to be there for It's like it I I equate
1:17:27it to like an archaeological dig.
1:17:29You know, they're going to go layer
1:17:32layer layer layer.
1:17:35I mean, they're going to go very thin
1:17:36because they don't want to disturb her
1:17:37cuz they go Yeah, cuz at this point it's
1:17:39been a year and they don't want to
1:17:40damage Right. And they want to keep her
1:17:43in the condition that she is in
1:17:45to the best of their ability.
1:17:47Okay.
1:17:48So
1:17:51just for that day prior to So the night
1:17:53prior, you lose the dog. Do you know
1:17:55what time that was by any chance? Like
1:17:57around 8:00
1:17:598:00 at night.
1:18:02So 8:00 you lose the dog, she's blaming
1:18:04you all night, Mhm.
1:18:06smacking you around, hitting you with
1:18:08various items, basically anything she
1:18:09can find around the house. Where the
1:18:11kids at when all this is going on? Are
1:18:12they there? Yeah, they're sleeping in
1:18:14their room at this point. At night,
1:18:16they're sleeping. Well, at first they
1:18:18weren't, but then I was like, "Dude, you
1:18:20can't just keep doing this in front of
1:18:21them." So I put them in bed. So the And
1:18:23then of course I got attacked cuz I was
1:18:26calling her a bad mom and all of that.
1:18:29Can I get some more water?
1:18:31Yeah.
1:18:32Oh, you're leaving us so so soon?
1:18:45>> I'm going to need some too pretty soon.
1:18:46We talked so much yesterday. I was like
1:18:48I was like a horse. I don't know about
1:18:50you too, so.
1:18:52I'm just glad they finally gave me a
1:18:53blanket and real clothes today. Yeah,
1:18:56cuz that that paper suit wasn't wasn't
1:18:58cutting it.
1:18:59>> Unless I held completely still and
1:19:01didn't move in my sleep. Well, I told
1:19:03you about the blanket because you always
1:19:04have to worry about the risk of the
1:19:06person trying to hurt themselves. Yeah.
1:19:08So, you were up all night looking for
1:19:09the dog.
1:19:11Upset, you don't go to sleep.
1:19:13Um, she continues to hit you. Did she
1:19:15ever go to sleep? She goes to sleep,
1:19:16yeah. She goes to sleep.
1:19:20Do you remember from when to when by any
1:19:21chance? No, cuz she would just wake up
1:19:23randomly. Did you find my dog? And then
1:19:26obviously I would say no and get
1:19:27attacked.
1:19:29To this day I still don't know where
1:19:30that dog is.
1:19:31What kind of dog was it? It was a
1:19:34German Shepherd pit.
1:19:36It's an interesting mix.
1:19:38>> Yeah.
1:19:39What was the dog's name?
1:19:42Captain. Captain? Yeah.
1:19:47So, you didn't kill the dog. No. Okay,
1:19:49good.
1:19:50Thank you.
1:19:53All right, so she sleeps on and off and
1:19:55then like it is
1:19:56Are there any good times during this day
1:19:58or is this all just
1:19:59>> was hell. This whole day was just like
1:20:01her beating on you randomly, face
1:20:03everywhere. Real life. Okay.
1:20:06Did you
1:20:07ever take pictures of any of your
1:20:09injuries?
1:20:10No.
1:20:11But I will tell you that pictures did
1:20:13get get did often get taken
1:20:17of me from the police.
1:20:20Especially on Wallings Road. Okay. But
1:20:22nothing the day of her death. No.
1:20:25>> You did Yeah, you didn't call the
1:20:26police, but you didn't like take her
1:20:29cell phone or you took her your cell
1:20:31phone and pictures of your injuries.
1:20:33Okay.
1:20:42Sorry, it looks all scribbly. I'm trying
1:20:44to try to keep it all together,
1:20:45organized.
1:20:46>> Yeah. I'm trying to think of Organized
1:20:48chaos. Yeah. I'm trying to think of
1:20:49there
1:20:51Feel like I'm missing one more place
1:20:53that she had the police call a sick 6007
1:20:56Morningside Drive.
1:20:57>> 6
1:20:58007
1:21:00Morningside Drive, my parents' address.
1:21:04She had the police called on
1:21:05>> Where's that? Parma, Ohio. Parma, Ohio?
1:21:08Mhm.
1:21:10When she was arrested or
1:21:13No, she was just told to get off the
1:21:14property.
1:21:17Cuz she was harassing my mom.
1:21:20Like majorly.
1:21:22Um
1:21:22>> Remember when that was, approximately
1:21:24month, year? Um
1:21:252017.
1:21:29You don't know when? Just 2017. I think
1:21:31around March.
1:21:36No. No.
1:21:40April.
1:21:41April? Yeah. But as long as we're close
1:21:44>> 2016 of April, cuz I'm thinking of my
1:21:46son's thing.
1:21:48Um and then she had the police called on
1:21:51her at Chuppa's Marketplace.
1:21:56Chuppa's? Yeah, c h u p p a s.
1:22:03Marketplace.
1:22:04That's in Parma Heights, Ohio.
1:22:08Is that a business?
1:22:09I'm assuming.
1:22:10>> Yeah. I was working there and she can
1:22:13Um
1:22:15was trying to argue with me and got
1:22:16upset that I wouldn't argue with her
1:22:18while I was at work, so she came up
1:22:20there trying to
1:22:22Yeah. And they'll tell you who called
1:22:24the police.
1:22:25I believe that of the store, then, cuz
1:22:27it's a privately owned marketplace.
1:22:30The police called later or leave?
1:22:32Uh I Yeah.
1:22:34I think they tried to take her to jail
1:22:36or they were going to something along
1:22:38those lines. But she said that Bella was
1:22:40sick.
1:22:41So they took her to the hospital instead
1:22:43with Bella. How possibly to the
1:22:44hospital? Yeah.
1:22:56Yeah, that's everywhere.
1:22:58That's definitely everywhere now that
1:23:00she's got on the police called on her.
1:23:02Okay. All for psychosis
1:23:04and domestic violence-related stuff.
1:23:07Oh. However, you're going to run into
1:23:09the problem that almost every every
1:23:11single one of them got dropped.
1:23:13Okay.
1:23:14So but we're they're still documented,
1:23:16okay? No matter whether they were
1:23:17prosecuted, successfully dropped,
1:23:21no filed, whatever we call no filed
1:23:22where they don't file charges, they're
1:23:24still police report generated.
1:23:26So if there is a permanent record, I
1:23:28mean it may say at the bottom that
1:23:30charges were not pursued, charges were
1:23:32dropped, So does that mean the pictures
1:23:34of me are gone or are they going to
1:23:36still be documented, those pictures?
1:23:38>> It depends on the agency, their policy.
1:23:40They usually keep them for a certain
1:23:41amount of time. And then if it's a no
1:23:43file case, they're purged because they
1:23:45can't keep cases you know can't keep
1:23:47evidence of cases that are purged for
1:23:50You know what I mean? Like purged, like
1:23:51dismissed. You can't just indefinitely
1:23:53keep records for every single thing. But
1:23:56there's usually a time frame. You know,
1:23:58they usually have a like a policy where
1:23:59they have to keep it for a certain
1:24:00amount of time.
1:24:02However, Because of the 10 years, it's
1:24:04probably gone. If the photographs are
1:24:06gone, if there were tape photographs
1:24:07taken and they are gone,
1:24:10I know my practice and our policy in
1:24:14Tarpon Springs, Florida is if
1:24:16there's injuries, you to document the
1:24:18injuries, you don't just say see
1:24:20pictures. Oh. Like if it was if it was
1:24:23me, I would say They did say
1:24:25>> Shelby had injuries to
1:24:27his right cheek, his right arm, whatever
1:24:30the case may be,
1:24:32you would write it down. Mhm. Cuz
1:24:34there's an old saying in police work, if
1:24:35you don't you didn't document it, you
1:24:37didn't write it down, then it didn't
1:24:38happen. Mhm.
1:24:39>> [clears throat]
1:24:39>> That makes sense. Okay, yeah, that
1:24:41definitely should be documented then.
1:24:43So, um and I think we covered this, the
1:24:46the hammer after after you choked her
1:24:49and you went and retrieved the hammer,
1:24:50you retrieved it from the kitchen.
1:24:52>> Mhm.
1:24:53And the hammer is gone. And that's the
1:24:55one you disposed of in the dumpster at
1:24:57Wells Fargo. Yes.
1:25:00And it is not the same hammer that was
1:25:02used at Ann's house.
1:25:04>> No. Okay.
1:25:15Okay.
1:25:17So, these cases aren't going to be put
1:25:18together, are they? No, they can't. Uh
1:25:21there's two reasons for that. Number one
1:25:24is So, what I'm sorry. The big feet. Oh,
1:25:27sorry. There's two reasons for that.
1:25:28Number one, two totally different time
1:25:31frames.
1:25:32When you killed your wife, it was
1:25:35over a year ago and it was in Pasco
1:25:38County.
1:25:39That's a jerk different jurisdiction.
1:25:41Mhm. Tarpon Springs. So, then my case
1:25:44with the three individuals,
1:25:47that's in Tarpon Springs, Pinellas
1:25:49County, Florida.
1:25:51Different jurisdiction, different time
1:25:52frames. So, they have to be
1:25:54They're in the same judicial circuit,
1:25:57but they're separate jurisdictions. You
1:25:59know what a jurisdiction is?
1:26:00>> Yeah. Like Pasco County is one
1:26:02jurisdiction, Pinellas County, Tarpon
1:26:03Springs is another.
1:26:06Another jurisdiction.
1:26:07>> So, I'm basically going to be getting
1:26:09two courts Correct. You will have two
1:26:14You'll have, you know, three homicides
1:26:17in Pinellas County. And then one
1:26:19homicide
1:26:19>> And then one
1:26:21in
1:26:22Pasco County. And you may also not Not
1:26:26that this even matters at this point in
1:26:28time cuz you have much bigger fish to
1:26:30fry.
1:26:31You may be charged with animal cruelty.
1:26:34Mhm.
1:26:35>> [clears throat]
1:26:35>> Which
1:26:36>> That makes sense.
1:26:38You're looking at four homicides,
1:26:40three child uh three animal cruelties.
1:26:45That's
1:26:47a you know, Yeah, I'm looking at
1:26:49>> of your concerns. But I do Like if you
1:26:51see if you do in the future look at your
1:26:53charge sheet and it's on there, I just
1:26:55don't want you to go, "What the hell's
1:26:56this?" Yeah. You know you killed the
1:26:58dogs.
1:26:58>> Yeah. But so just in case you see that,
1:27:01you know it that you're aware of it you
1:27:02could possibly charged with it. I don't
1:27:04know if they're the you know, We will or
1:27:06not. But yeah. However, you could you
1:27:09may face those charges also.
1:27:12I'm just
1:27:14I'm just worried with it being a
1:27:16high-profile case and then
1:27:18possibly putting me on death row that
1:27:20would happen quickly.
1:27:22But then again, Okay, like
1:27:24>> Ariel Castro kidnapped three women and
1:27:26held them captive for 10 years and raped
1:27:28them multiple times. You're talking
1:27:30about the Donald Ohio, right?
1:27:31>> Yeah. Yeah, that freak show. Yeah. Um
1:27:35and they just they didn't put him on
1:27:36death row. They just locked his ass up.
1:27:38Then again, he didn't kill anybody. Um
1:27:41When you were living in Pasco for that
1:27:44brief amount of time, you lived there
1:27:46for a total of what? Maybe three or four
1:27:48months if that. Three or four months?
1:27:50>> Uh October to January.
1:27:54Of '18, right? Mhm.
1:28:01Did you have any friends, acquaintances,
1:28:03or anything like that that you would
1:28:05have told
1:28:07or confided in that
1:28:10you know, my wife beats the out of me
1:28:12with belts, whatever she can get her
1:28:14hands on. Is there anybody in Pasco
1:28:17County on Norwood Avenue or anywhere in
1:28:19that vicinity that the Pasco County
1:28:22detectives need to speak You think that
1:28:24they need to speak with that would have
1:28:25pertinent information
1:28:27regarding you and Jamie? Mhm.
1:28:30We just kept to ourselves. I mean, we
1:28:32talked to the neighbor boy here and
1:28:33there,
1:28:34but we just mainly kept to ourselves.
1:28:37So, you didn't see any domestic violence
1:28:39But you didn't like have a buddy that
1:28:41you confide in and say, "Hey bro, my
1:28:43wife beats the [ __ ] out of me every
1:28:44day." And I know that's kind of an
1:28:46embarrassing thing. You don't You're a
1:28:47guy. Yeah. You don't You're not going to
1:28:49be like, "Brian, hey, my wife beats me
1:28:50up." I I wasn't allowed to have friends.
1:28:53Okay.
1:28:57I mean, of course her parents knew about
1:28:58it, but they didn't really care. And
1:29:00unfortunately, we can't ask them. Yeah.
1:29:03You know what I mean? I'm I'm talking
1:29:03about people we can ask to validate, you
1:29:06know, yeah, dude.
1:29:07Like
1:29:10No, there are people you can validate
1:29:11the domestic violence from her to me.
1:29:14My parents are for sure.
1:29:16Right.
1:29:17But I'm just saying like in Pasco, you
1:29:18didn't confide in a neighbor, a
1:29:20coworker. You neither one of you work in
1:29:23your Pasco, right?
1:29:24>> Right.
1:29:34All right. Just uh just a type for just
1:29:36a minute. I'm going to make another
1:29:37phone call, relay this information, make
1:29:39sure they don't have something else. I'm
1:29:40not dragging it in and out and in and
1:29:42out. All right.
1:29:43I'll be right back. Need anything?
1:29:51Who's Brian?
1:29:53Do you know somebody named Brian?
1:30:01You don't know anybody named Brian?
1:30:11>> You don't know Brian? Okay.
1:30:13And when you're digging the grave in
1:30:15Tarpon, your daughter's standing outside
1:30:17with you, right? Yeah. Okay.
1:30:19>> Yeah.
1:30:21And my son was taking a nap.
1:30:23If you need help, like someone to hold
1:30:25it while you're doing it, just let me
1:30:26know.
1:30:32Who's Brian? Is he someone from Tarpon
1:30:34Springs or Pasco?
1:30:36I don't know.
1:30:37I just They just asked me to
1:30:39Um they just asked one of the detectives
1:30:42in Florida just to ask ask you who Brian
1:30:45was.
1:30:46And then asked about the
1:30:48All right, let's see.
1:30:51Did you take any of the dogs for a walk?
1:30:53No.
1:30:54No.
1:30:56You were um
1:31:07All right.
1:31:08Okay. I'm going to try to We're going to
1:31:10take some to scale. They want a
1:31:11measurement on your injuries.
1:31:14So, let's see.
1:31:17If I have to do That's about the front
1:31:18of it, right?
1:31:26And that's probably the one from here.
1:31:37All right, and then one on your foot.
1:31:40You can if I ask you a couple of
1:31:42questions.
1:31:42>> I told you before, you don't have to ask
1:31:44to ask me questions. I just I I want to
1:31:46be able to tell you, but if I can't
1:31:47answer your question, you know how You
1:31:48know how I've been? I've been trying to
1:31:49be up front with you. If I can't answer,
1:31:51I'll tell you I can't answer you. What
1:31:52now kind of point this one out? Where
1:31:54does it start? It's from there to like
1:31:56there? Yeah.
1:32:04With this being a high profile case,
1:32:06they're obviously
1:32:07going to want it to get solved quickly
1:32:09to
1:32:11keep the public happy, correct?
1:32:15I mean, they any any case they want
1:32:17solved quickly. The quicker the better.
1:32:20Family want resolution, the police want
1:32:21resolution, the public wants resolution
1:32:23because something of this magnitude
1:32:26you know, when you when you hear of a
1:32:27mass
1:32:29we'll say this is a mass killing. I
1:32:30don't know what the technical number is
1:32:31for a mass killing, but let's just say
1:32:32three is a mass killing.
1:32:35Everybody in that neighborhood or
1:32:36surrounding neighborhoods
1:32:38thinks what? Mhm, that There's a mass
1:32:40killer Yeah. on the loose. Yeah. Right?
1:32:43Yeah. So, everybody is what? On high
1:32:46alert. Scared to death. Mhm. Right? As
1:32:50you would be. If you lived in that
1:32:51neighborhood
1:32:52would you want to come outside until you
1:32:54knew that person the killer was caught?
1:32:57Right.
1:32:58So.
1:32:58>> Okay, so
1:33:00cuz I just know with like murder cases
1:33:02that [ __ ] can take like up to a year
1:33:04just with one murder case.
1:33:06>> Oh, yeah. It's it's
1:33:08Cases of this magnitude like I told you,
1:33:09cases of this magnitude can drag on for
1:33:11years. So, this case probably isn't
1:33:14going even get solved this year. But
1:33:17well, I am going to be I'm probably
1:33:19going to be on Solved
1:33:21and taken to its final judicial ending
1:33:24Yeah. are two completely different
1:33:26things. Cuz the case is solved. Solved?
1:33:28Yes.
1:33:31Completed?
1:33:32No. Because like I told you, I want to
1:33:35be able to paint a picture from
1:33:39as much as I can of everything you did
1:33:41tracking all of your movements
1:33:43um
1:33:44everything.
1:33:47You know what I mean?
1:33:48So, what what your you what was your
1:33:50phone number?
1:34:04>> I think they were asking cuz I you
1:34:06ordered a pizza
1:34:07on Domino's. Did you do you remember
1:34:09like calling them and telling who's
1:34:10having a bad day or something like that?
1:34:12Do you remember that conversation?
1:34:13>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:34:14>> What did you say to them like
1:34:15>> I said send send me up whoever having a
1:34:17bad day and I'll give them a good tip.
1:34:19Give them a good tip.
1:34:20>> Yeah. Yeah. And what was the reason for
1:34:22that? Just trying to make somebody's day
1:34:23better or
1:34:25Yeah. I mean
1:34:27just because I killed people doesn't
1:34:29mean that first of all we already know
1:34:30that I didn't want to kill those people,
1:34:32you know.
1:34:33Second of all I do try to spread
1:34:35kindness and be a good person as often
1:34:37as I can be.
1:34:39Um so yeah I was just trying to make
1:34:40someone's day better
1:34:42after doing all those atrocities. I had
1:34:45to get a drink. I'm sorry.
1:34:47You good? Yeah, I'm good. Thank you. And
1:34:49so y'all like so like you I'm like
1:34:52we talked we talked
1:34:53so I was and you I'm like I'm sitting
1:34:55there and I'm like I don't want to stop
1:34:56you from talking and you're drinking
1:34:57water and coffee and I'm like oh my gosh
1:34:59I'm just I'm so thirsty. I think I think
1:35:01it was making me thirstier looking at
1:35:02you drinking you having drinks and me
1:35:04not having drinks. I'm like oh my gosh I
1:35:06need soda. Yeah, it'll mess with you
1:35:08mentally.
1:35:09Um what was I saying? Yeah, I just was
1:35:14Was that the person's name from
1:35:15Domino's? Brian?
1:35:17No, I think I believe that this is off
1:35:19memory that that was a female that
1:35:20delivered it.
1:35:23Yeah yeah it was a female that delivered
1:35:25it.
1:35:28Yeah, you guys really dotted your eyes
1:35:30and crossed your t's.
1:35:33I didn't even know that kind of [ __ ]
1:35:34could be tracked.
1:35:40Yes, um
1:35:42we track
1:35:43we have you
1:35:45selling the games Mhm. on video.
1:35:49What games am I selling?
1:35:49>> Um his Xbox stuff.
1:35:51I guess you have to GameStop.
1:35:53Remember you went to GameStop with the
1:35:55Oh, you know what? Yeah, you're right. I
1:35:57traded some of the games in to get a
1:35:59Nintendo Switch. I forgot about that.
1:36:02Okay. I definitely apologize.
1:36:03>> Where is the Nintendo Switch? It's in my
1:36:05house. In the house? Okay.
1:36:11Yeah, I forgot all about that. I'm
1:36:12sorry.
1:36:13I'm really not trying to lie to you.
1:36:15It's just a lot of details to go along.
1:36:16>> You You were under extreme
1:36:37So, you traded the games
1:36:39for the Nintendo
1:36:40>> for the Nintendo Switch.
1:36:52Yeah. So,
1:36:53yeah, that's that's our job is to
1:36:56create a solid like we were trying to
1:36:58tell you trying to tell you the
1:36:59importance of the timeline. Mhm.
1:37:00Remember I went back and rehashed about
1:37:02the phone calls with him cuz he said you
1:37:04know a relative said he called and you
1:37:05said that's absolutely impossible
1:37:06because I know for a fact that I killed
1:37:08him prior to that.
1:37:09>> Mhm.
1:37:09So,
1:37:15um
1:37:27um
1:37:29He stole me off and I guess not.
1:37:31Well, if there's other questions you
1:37:33need to ask me, go for it.
1:37:35I honestly can't remember a Brian or who
1:37:37a Brian is or I didn't even really talk
1:37:39to anybody when I was in Tarpon Springs.
1:37:41>> Right. And they have I may have
1:37:43talked to a neighbor here and there that
1:37:45passed by, but
1:37:46While you were digging the grave? Yeah.
1:37:48Yeah. So, I think one of the neighbors
1:37:50said like your daughter wanted to pet
1:37:51their dog or something like that.
1:37:52>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:37:58All right. So, with this being a high
1:38:01So, this case is it it's solved
1:38:03basically, but it's not going to go
1:38:04through. It's finally
1:38:05>> That's what we were Okay, so that's what
1:38:06we were talking about. So,
1:38:08because
1:38:10um
1:38:11the you know, the next step is we have
1:38:13to search the residence you're saying at
1:38:15now. So, we're going to have to get a
1:38:16warrant to go in there and search that
1:38:17and retrieve
1:38:19all the items that you said were from
1:38:21their house or that you brought back.
1:38:26Um
1:38:28then we have to get a warrant for the
1:38:30the vehicle [clears throat]
1:38:30that they stole from them.
1:38:32And then get all those things done and
1:38:34processed. And then like I said, I
1:38:36haven't been able to talk to the
1:38:38um we're going to figure out
1:38:39arrangements of how
1:38:41you, the vehicle,
1:38:43or all this brought back. I'm just using
1:38:45it for cuz the CEO was trying to say
1:38:47that I'll be going into downtown county.
1:38:50Well, because that is an actual This is
1:38:52only like a temporary from my
1:38:53understanding. This is like a temporary
1:38:55facility. This is like their jail.
1:38:57Anytime you're charged, you go to an
1:38:59actual county facility. Okay. So, I will
1:39:02be going down there.
1:39:02>> Yes, because this is like a temporary
1:39:05spot until they can bring you to the
1:39:09actual like this is a police department.
1:39:11They have holding cells.
1:39:12Then you're brought to a county jail,
1:39:14which is
1:39:15where you're going to be held in B until
1:39:17you're brought back to Florida.
1:39:19How long do you think that'll be? I
1:39:20can't answer that.
1:39:21>> Okay.
1:39:22So, I mean I would assume they're going
1:39:23to try to expedite the process.
1:39:26And you know, they have to do
1:39:28extradition paperwork. And if
1:39:31you don't oppose the extradition, then
1:39:33it goes faster. You know, if you decide
1:39:35you want to try to fight the
1:39:36extradition, that then and then there's
1:39:38hearings involved and attorneys and
1:39:40Yeah, that's slows the process. So
1:39:43>> that. Well, I can't I can't give you
1:39:45legal advice. I mean if you wave that,
1:39:47that's up to you.
1:39:49You know, [clears throat] but I can't
1:39:50give you any form form of legal advice
1:39:51obviously and I'm not an attorney. So
1:39:53you don't want legal advice from me cuz
1:39:55I'm not an attorney.
1:39:57Well, we both know what I care about
1:39:58that. I'm results. Yes.
1:40:01Bottom line is your kids.
1:40:03My kids, that's the very biggest thing.
1:40:06Um
1:40:08I don't think they'll have me in general
1:40:10population.
1:40:11I can't answer that but I I like I said
1:40:12I I don't think so but I can't answer
1:40:14that. And here's one stand up point and
1:40:17I'm going to take an overall picture of
1:40:18you. I know I took like the detail
1:40:19photos with the rulers and stuff like
1:40:21that. That's going to take quicker.
1:40:25One.
1:40:26Two. Going to take one.
1:40:30Two.
1:40:31All right, turn your side. One.
1:40:33They're probably doing this at the jail
1:40:34too, I know but and back the other way.
1:40:40And we'll do one of these but we'll see
1:40:41the tattoo.
1:40:45All right and
1:40:47this one.
1:40:50Oh, okay.
1:40:53And then did I say that?
1:40:56That hurt? I know that had to hurt.
1:40:57>> Yeah, that hurt like I heard that ribs
1:41:00are painful
1:41:01and you I don't know if you see I got a
1:41:03lot of I got a lot of ink. I did not do
1:41:05the ribs Oh, yeah. because number one
1:41:07I'm a little chubby, I'm a little bit
1:41:09older and then it it would look like a
1:41:11like a wave instead of like Bible
1:41:13perfect. I wouldn't be able to read it
1:41:15and I've been told and I have a lot of
1:41:17ink that is an extremely painful place.
1:41:20Well, I'll be honest with you.
1:41:22I thought my chest hurt more than that.
1:41:24I've heard the chest is very painful
1:41:26too. I don't have any on my chest. My
1:41:27arms are done and my back is done but I
1:41:29don't have any.
1:41:30I know I have the inside of my arm done
1:41:33and that was quite painful but I've
1:41:35heard the chest and is I have friends
1:41:37that are covered and I've heard the
1:41:38chest is Yeah, that chest was no joke.
1:41:40Very painful. It was It's worse than the
1:41:42ribs? Yeah. Really?
1:41:43>> Yeah. Well, with the ribs, they were
1:41:45just writing down like in black ink. So,
1:41:48There's no shading and no rubbing.
1:41:50>> Yeah, that it was
1:41:53First of all, this is a cover-up of a
1:41:55tattoo I had previously of my first wife
1:41:59cuz you know, I was 18 and dumb.
1:42:01Oh, and that's the Caitlyn? Yeah.
1:42:03>> were married?
1:42:04>> Yeah. Okay, that's Okay, you said you
1:42:05were married as Bree and you were
1:42:06hitting her, you know, you were messed
1:42:07up, you were hitting his hitting her and
1:42:09stuff like [clears throat] that.
1:42:10Were the police called for those? Yeah,
1:42:12I went to jail for that for a couple of
1:42:13days. Um
1:42:15but that was There was only like
1:42:17It was just that incident.
1:42:19Okay.
1:42:20Year 2012. 2012 with Caitlyn? Yeah.
1:42:25September 2012.
1:42:27It might be off my record at this point
1:42:29cuz it was a misdemeanor and it was when
1:42:31I was like 18, 19 and I'm like 25 now.
1:42:35And you were 10-15 for domestic.
1:42:38Huh? You were
1:42:39I'm sorry. I used police lingo. I
1:42:41apologize.
1:42:43Talking to you like you're police We've
1:42:44We've been talking so long, I feel like
1:42:45we work together almost. We are working
1:42:47together.
1:42:4810-15 is like a streets for us is like
1:42:50you're arrested.
1:42:51>> Yeah. So, you were arrested for domestic
1:42:53on Caitlyn, your ex-wife, in September
1:42:55of 2012. Yes. When were you divorced?
1:42:59Approximate year. Um
1:43:02I believe it's actually the same year
1:43:04that me and her got married. Uh 2015.
1:43:07Okay. Of March.
1:43:13All right.
1:43:16All righty. Well, this is probably going
1:43:17to be the last time we're going to
1:43:18speak. So, if you have anything else you
1:43:20could think of, now's the time.
1:43:23Cuz I'm not really concerned about my
1:43:25safety up here cuz you know, this is a
1:43:27Florida case. I don't think that will be
1:43:29on the news up here or like that.
1:43:32I am concerned about my safety down
1:43:33there.
1:43:34>> And they are I mean and I know prisoners
1:43:35a lot of time don't think we care.
1:43:37We don't want to see you get injured
1:43:38either. We want this to go through the
1:43:40justice system. Yeah. We want everything
1:43:43to go smoothly. Yeah. Um like I said,
1:43:46they will ensure to best of their
1:43:48ability, I am sure, of your safety,
1:43:50whether it means through not putting in
1:43:52general population and you're put in
1:43:53solitary. That may happen. I don't know
1:43:55what the I can't speak of what the
1:43:57arrangements will be, but I know
1:44:00I I will express to them that your
1:44:02concern for your safety. Mhm.
1:44:04>> [clears throat]
1:44:04>> And I'm sure they are as well, being a
1:44:06high profile case. The last thing they
1:44:07want to happen is, "Hey, we just
1:44:10arrested this guy for four homicides and
1:44:13something has happened to him." Because
1:44:15then it looks
1:44:17I don't think you bad on us. Guys are
1:44:18like, "Okay, you did all this work to
1:44:20catch this guy. You go all the way to
1:44:22Ohio and then you can't even keep him
1:44:23safe."
1:44:25So, the last thing they want is, you
1:44:26know, you to get injured. Yeah. You know
1:44:28what I mean? So, I will express to them
1:44:30that you are concerned for your safety.
1:44:32Yeah. And you know,
1:44:34>> It's just because of the kids. Like I
1:44:35don't want to
1:44:37They've dealt with a lot already and
1:44:39they're going to continue dealing with a
1:44:40lot as they grow up. And the last thing
1:44:43I want is they can't get their questions
1:44:45answered cuz I got shanked in prison.
1:44:48But you want to be alive so you can
1:44:50answer their questions when they're old
1:44:51enough to know
1:44:53what happened and can get answers. I
1:44:54want to be able to
1:44:56tell them I love them. Right.
1:45:00Got you.
1:45:02All right.
1:45:03Well,
1:45:04I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
1:45:06Thank you. You know, and
1:45:08>> Not really going to have much luck, but
1:45:09Well, let's hope I don't die.
1:45:13Obviously, that that
1:45:15that too, but
1:45:17you know,
1:45:19like I said, I I appreciate your
1:45:20forthcoming and honesty and bringing the
1:45:24chance
1:45:24>> a quick resolution to this.
1:45:26And I
1:45:27I think that
1:45:29one of the
1:45:31all be it horrible way to get to the
1:45:33outcome is that like I told you
1:45:35yesterday,
1:45:37you know, hopefully we can recover Jamie
1:45:39and we can give her a proper burial, you
1:45:41know, cuz like you know, she doesn't
1:45:42deserve to be in a backyard wrapped up
1:45:44in a comforter.
1:45:46You know.
1:45:47So. And you said you did you did the
1:45:49chemical thing on her, too, right? No, I
1:45:50did not. You did not. Okay. Okay. Just
1:45:52the clean up in the house. Okay. All
1:45:54right. I'm going to go get them and they
1:45:56can bring you back and
1:45:58I will I'm sure I'll probably see you in
1:45:59Florida at some point in time in the
1:46:00future, but it may be a while. Okay.
1:46:02Okay? Okay.
1:46:06Feel free to leave that stuff up there.
1:46:08He's going to walk you back to the door
1:46:09over here. He's going to walk me Leave
1:46:11the blanket. Following the
1:46:12interrogation, Shelby John Neely was
1:46:14charged in connection with the deaths of
1:46:16Richard, Laura, and Nicholas Ivancic,
1:46:19whose bodies were found inside the
1:46:20Tarpon [music] Springs home on New
1:46:22Year's Day in 2019.
1:46:24The investigation also led detectives to
1:46:26a separate [music] case in Pasco County.
1:46:29Neely's wife, Jamie Ivancic, had been
1:46:31killed months earlier and her body was
1:46:33later found buried behind a home.
1:46:35Neely pleaded guilty [music] to
1:46:36manslaughter in Jamie's death and
1:46:38received a 30-year prison sentence.
1:46:41For the Tarpon Springs murders, Neely
1:46:43pleaded guilty to three counts of
1:46:45first-degree [music] murder.
1:46:46He also pleaded guilty to aggravated
1:46:48animal cruelty charges connected [music]
1:46:50to the deaths of the family's dogs.
1:46:53During the penalty phase, the jury
1:46:55recommended death by an 11 to 1 vote on
1:46:57each of the three murder counts.
1:46:59On April 10th, [music] 2026, Judge
1:47:02Joseph Bulone sentenced Shelby John
1:47:04Neely to death for the murders of
1:47:06Richard, Laura, [music] and Nicholas
1:47:07Ivancic.
1:47:09At the time of that sentencing, Neely
1:47:11was already serving the 30-year sentence
1:47:13for Jamie's death.
1:47:15After the sentencing, [music]
1:47:16Neely's case moved into the appellate
1:47:17process.
1:47:19As of now, there is no final ruling
1:47:21reversing or upholding the death
1:47:22sentences. [music] So, the death
1:47:24sentences remain imposed while the
1:47:25appeal continues.
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