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0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
0:02and educational purposes only. All
0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
0:07proven guilty in a court of law. Any
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0:15analysis, and public interest.
0:17>> Let me tell you this. Let me just tell
0:19you this, okay? All right. Listen to me.
0:22Okay? You're under arrest.
0:25Hear me out. You're under arrest, okay?
0:28for the murder of Melinda Plesco.
0:32>> In the quiet suburb of Strongsville,
0:34Ohio, life seemed safe and ordinary. At
0:36the center of the community was Melinda
0:38Plesco, a veteran middle school teacher
0:40known for her warmth, her devotion to
0:42her students, and her love for her
0:44family. She had taught for nearly three
0:46decades, coached youth activities, and
0:48was celebrated as the kind of teacher
0:50who left a lasting mark on everyone she
0:52met. To friends and neighbors, she was
0:54the heart of her household and the pride
0:56of her community.
0:58But in October of 2017, that sense of
1:01safety was shattered. Melinda was
1:03discovered in her own kitchen, brutally
1:05attacked, shot and stabbed in a manner
1:08so violent it left investigators
1:09reeling. At first, it seemed to confirm
1:12the family's worst fears. For months,
1:14they had reported strange break-ins and
1:16prowlers outside their home. It was easy
1:18to believe that a faceless intruder had
1:20finally broken in and carried out this
1:22terrible crime. Yet, as detectives
1:25followed the evidence, the picture
1:26darkened. The break-ins weren't random.
1:29They were part of a carefully staged
1:31deception. And the killer wasn't a
1:33stranger at all. He was a young man
1:35living under the same roof, welcomed as
1:38one of their own, and soon to be married
1:40into the family. This is the
1:42interrogation of Jeffrey Skullen.
2:08It's really fine.
2:10>> You gave me a chance to test that two
2:12way.
2:14>> Did you see me?
2:15>> No. Uh there was there's this thing on
2:18Facebook. Uh if you touch a mirror, it's
2:21regular. Your finger won't like your tip
2:22fingertips won't touch, but if you touch
2:24it too, it does. I didn't think it was
2:26actually real till it tested.
2:28>> Yeah, we've actually never used it.
2:31>> I've always wanted to see one of these
2:33rooms to be honest. So
2:34>> yeah,
2:35>> under better circumstance.
2:37>> Well, let me reintroduce myself though.
2:39I'm Detective Stalls. Okay, so obviously
2:42we met at the home. Um, I appreciate you
2:45coming in here voluntarily and and
2:47talking to me. You're free to leave at
2:48any point or stop the question at any
2:50point. You're not in any trouble. You're
2:51not under arrest. Here just to try to
2:54piece together what happened at the
2:56house. Okay.
2:57>> Um,
2:58>> if we could speed it along a little bit.
3:00I I would like to go see my family and
3:02everything.
3:02>> I understand that. I'm
3:03>> not trying to rush it or anything, but
3:05I'm
3:06>> perfectly understandable. I'm going to
3:07do the best I can. Okay. Chuck, can you
3:10spell your last name for me one more
3:11time? S cu
3:14L I N.
3:15>> Do you think I can sit in that chair?
3:17This a little big.
3:19>> This one? Sure.
3:20>> Yeah, you can switch it out.
3:21>> I'm sorry.
3:22>> It's okay.
3:24>> Just push it back.
3:25>> A little bigger.
3:29Squishing my legs.
3:33All right. Sorry. No problem.
3:36>> Jeff, what's your date of birth?
3:39>> 41097.
3:41your cell phone number.
3:52It still takes me. I always want to say
3:54the old number out of instinct.
3:57>> It's okay.
3:58>> Any of their cell phones? Is that the
4:00only one?
4:01>> That's the only one. I just sometimes
4:03say the wrong number because I I had my
4:04old one for like seven years, eight
4:06years.
4:07>> Okay. Okay. Excuse me. Um, I'd like you
4:11just to tell me about your day. Start in
4:13the morning. Um, from what I understand,
4:15tell me if uh tell me if I'm wrong. Um,
4:18living in the home after talking to
4:21uh Bruce is yourself, your fiance,
4:26Bruce's daughter, Anna, and my
4:29understanding is Megan is there two to
4:32three times a week.
4:34>> That's on average sometimes. Some weeks
4:36she won't show up. Sometimes she'll stay
4:37longer. Okay. If I had to give a good
4:39guess, two to three times a week.
4:41>> Okay. And she's randomly there
4:43>> randomly.
4:44>> Okay.
4:44>> Most actually
4:46weekends and then some weekdays.
4:48Weekdays if she's going out of town on a
4:51business trip.
4:52>> Mhm.
4:53>> Flies to California every once in a
4:54>> while. And Kyle is there
4:56>> 24/7.
4:57>> Mel.
4:58>> Yes.
4:58>> Okay. So only people that live there?
5:01>> Uh besides people that kind of visit.
5:03No.
5:04>> Right. The only people that actually
5:06live there.
5:06>> Yes.
5:07>> Okay. And you and Anna and your baby
5:10stay downstairs in the basement.
5:12>> That's our area. Yeah.
5:14>> Okay. Okay. And how long have you lived
5:17there?
5:18>> I couldn't even begin to tell you.
5:21>> What do you
5:22>> I like a month after her birthday.
5:27So like a year and a half maybe a little
5:30bit less than a year and a half.
5:34I think that's that's rounding.
5:37I don't know the exact date when we
5:38moved in. Whatever.
5:39>> It's fine. And you guys are
5:43set to be married on Saturday.
5:45>> Well, we're going to cancel it now, but
5:48we were set to be married. So,
5:52>> and where's that going to be at?
5:54>> Uh Sky View Lodge over in Brunswick.
5:56It's if you go straight down Pearl, it's
5:59the one that overlooks all the vineyards
6:00and you can see like the the one person
6:03in the distance.
6:08>> How many people you have found your
6:10wedding?
6:11>> That's that's a question I can't answer.
6:14I to be honest, I didn't really do much
6:17with the wedding.
6:19>> I'm not trying to be difficult, but it's
6:21okay.
6:22>> I'm sorry. I'm a little tired, too. I
6:24think
6:26Um, I think it's like 140 maybe.
6:29>> Okay.
6:29>> Tell me, uh,
6:32>> in the home, does everybody get along?
6:35>> Yeah, we we had a little bit of a fight
6:37the other day.
6:38>> Who's we?
6:39>> Uh, Bruce. Bruce drinks a lot. Um,
6:44when he does, sometimes he gets a
6:46little,
6:47I don't know,
6:49dickish.
6:51He kind of came after me a little bit
6:53because he was upset because I said I
6:55would help him with stuff around the
6:56house and apparently I wasn't doing it
6:58to his schedule, I guess.
7:00>> And so what do you mean he came at you?
7:02>> No, he didn't come at me. Come at me
7:03like uh
7:04>> verbally.
7:05>> Just verbally through text. Nothing.
7:07>> Okay.
7:08>> The next day it was kind of like he sent
7:10a few text messages saying he was sorry
7:11everything. It was kind of water under
7:12the bridge.
7:13>> Okay. Um so other than
7:18under the same roof, everybody kind of
7:19butts heads every once in a while.
7:20Understandable.
7:21>> Little stuff like, "Hey, pick this up."
7:23>> But not physical. Nobody's physical to
7:25anybody.
7:25>> No, never.
7:27>> Okay.
7:28>> It's They're very They're very good
7:31family.
7:34>> Okay.
7:37>> The only thing that I would say physical
7:38is a fan and Megan. Like they they yell
7:41at each other a lot, but they do in like
7:42a funny way. Like, you know, not like
7:47entirely mad, just like kind of joking
7:48around half the time. Then they pull
7:50each other's hair and have a little slap
7:52fight. And that's
7:52>> okay.
7:53>> It's nothing like hurtful. It's like uh
7:57I don't know how to explain just kind of
8:00more playful.
8:01>> Mhm.
8:01>> Than anything.
8:02>> And where do you work at
8:04>> right now? I got laid off. I was laid
8:06off two months ago.
8:09>> And where were you working?
8:11>> Bri City Schools.
8:13>> And what did you do for them?
8:14>> I was in HBC Tech.
8:25I'm sorry. You said HVAC.
8:26>> Yeah.
8:26>> Yeah. Okay. And you work for the the
8:30city itself? Are you hired by the city
8:31of
8:31>> Bur? The school.
8:32>> You're the school district.
8:34>> Okay.
8:35>> I don't know if it wouldn't be the city
8:36itself. It would be a school district.
8:38>> Okay.
8:39>> And how long did you work there?
8:42>> A year and five months, six months.
8:47wasn't long.
8:48>> Okay.
8:55>> And how have you been getting by lately
8:56financially?
8:58>> Anna, how you how you getting along
9:00financially? Is Anna
9:02>> I've been moving I've been using a lot
9:03of my savings and then Anna's been
9:05paying for all the small stuff to help
9:06me out until I get another job.
9:09>> Do you have any investments?
9:11Any other income?
9:12>> Uh rental houses. We have rental houses.
9:15We did. your father in you?
9:16>> Yeah.
9:17>> What's his name?
9:18>> Uh Jeff Scar as well. He's a senior.
9:21>> Okay. You're a junior?
9:22>> Yeah.
9:25>> Okay.
9:26>> I helped them him out with them and
9:29everything like that.
9:31>> How many rental properties you have?
9:34>> Six.
9:37Only
9:39Only a few were rented. I think we just
9:41lost a tenant.
9:42>> I don't remember.
9:44I think we only have three or four.
9:46>> And how much income does that bring you
9:48each month? You personally,
9:50>> I don't know off the top of my head the
9:51full math of it, but my dad will just
9:52give me a cut whatever I need. If I ask
9:54him if I need some money, he'll give it
9:56to me.
9:56>> Oh, okay. So, you don't get a regular
9:57cut unless you have
9:58>> No, not a regular cut. Well, I mean, I
10:00would, but he just like if he goes,
10:02"Hey, you want you need an extra $500?"
10:04He'll give me an extra $500.
10:05>> So, you do get a regular cut. You get
10:07your half. Do
10:08>> Yeah, I guess you could say that.
10:09>> Okay.
10:10>> I'm sorry. I'm really tired.
10:15Um, I have a Can I ask two questions for
10:18you?
10:18>> You sure can.
10:19>> Um, was everything with my dad's car?
10:22Okay.
10:23>> I don't know. I've been here.
10:24>> Oh, been here?
10:27>> Well, um, and what would uh would I be
10:30able to go get the dog sometime after
10:32this or
10:33>> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we want you to
10:34be able to take care of your dogs. Um,
10:37they're still at the house and I don't
10:39know how much longer they have, but I
10:40could get that question answered for you
10:42when we're done.
10:42>> How much longer they have?
10:44>> Well, they're going to be at the house
10:45for a little while still there.
10:47>> People?
10:48>> Yeah. Yeah. The police department and uh
10:49BCI.
10:50>> So, I can't go there until after they
10:52leave to get the dog or
10:55>> We'll see. I I could always, you know,
10:57try to make an arrangement to get the
10:59dog.
10:59>> I mean, if I can't, can we just like
11:00have someone dump some food in his cage?
11:03>> Absolutely. Is that
11:04>> Yeah, absolutely. That's good enough for
11:05me. I just don't
11:06>> You can do this in there.
11:08>> Yep. Absolutely.
11:10>> Um,
11:10>> go ahead. I'm sorry.
11:11>> That's okay. And, uh, are you you have a
11:15a mother?
11:16>> Yes.
11:17>> Okay. Are they still together? Your mom
11:19and
11:20>> legally? Yes. They're kind of like
11:24I don't know. That's a complicated one.
11:27>> They're still living together though.
11:28>> They're living together, but they're
11:30>> still legally married.
11:31>> Married. They're kind of like the
11:33marriage is iffy. Okay. And
11:35>> but yes, they're they're still together
11:36and they they work together fine, you
11:38know.
11:38>> Okay. What's your brother's name?
11:40>> Uh Le and Carl Wilson.
11:44>> L E V E R N E.
11:46>> Mhm.
11:46>> And what's your last name?
11:48>> Uh Wilson.
11:49>> Okay.
11:51>> She goes by uh her middle name, Carla,
11:53though.
11:54>> I don't know if it's a C or anything.
11:56>> Okay.
11:57>> Okay.
11:57>> No.
12:00>> All right. Um, Jeff, if you could, I'd
12:03like you to start uh this morning,
12:06Monday morning.
12:08>> Okay. And uh tell me what time you wake
12:12up and what's your routine.
12:15>> Um, right now I don't really have a
12:16routine unless I plan things out. So,
12:19today I didn't have anything to do, but
12:21I do think there's something to note.
12:23Last night I my sister was over the
12:26weekend. Well, she left her book bag in
12:29my other car, which I left at my
12:30mother's house.
12:32>> Say it again.
12:33>> Um, my sister I'm sorry. I'm sorry if
12:36I'm saying it wrong.
12:37>> I'm No, I might have just about it.
12:40>> Saturday, my sister, Anna, Megan, and
12:43their friend went to Cedar Point for the
12:45bachelorette party. Like a little nice
12:47little thing.
12:47>> What's your sister's name?
12:48>> Ellie's Ellie.
12:50>> Yeah.
12:51>> E L L I E.
12:53>> Yes.
12:54>> How old is she?
12:55>> Uh 13. She's going to turn 14 on the
12:5731st.
12:59It was just a little nice thing. You
13:01know, they wanted to bring her along.
13:03>> Okay.
13:04>> They were there Saturday and then Sunday
13:07I took her to the movies and back.
13:09>> Your sister?
13:10>> Yes. But then she left her book bag in
13:12my car. So I said I would bring it by
13:15like later cuz she texted me.
13:16>> Your truck?
13:17>> No, the I was driving the truck that
13:20day, but I left my other car. The car I
13:23normally drive, Leaber. It's a
13:25silverless saber. It was my
13:26grandmother's. We bought it out of very
13:28state after she died and everything.
13:30>> That's my normal car that I drive.
13:32>> Where is that car tonight?
13:34>> Uh, it's at my mother's house. Do you
13:36need to go look through?
13:38>> No, I just
13:39>> just trying to understand the dynamics
13:41over there. Uh,
13:43>> whenever you drive or and you have the
13:45truck and you have So, you have a truck
13:47and you have the car.
13:48>> Yeah.
13:49>> And then one one of the other stays at
13:52your mom's while the other one's
13:53>> Yeah. where you're living. Okay.
13:55>> Well, whenever I need to work on the
13:56rentals or I'm doing an odds and end job
13:59or something, I take the truck.
14:00>> Yep.
14:00>> Because it's easier to move things and I
14:02can fit all my tools in it.
14:03>> Sure.
14:04>> Saber doesn't really have that much
14:06stuff and I have a lot of like baby.
14:08>> Okay. And where does where does your mom
14:10and dad live?
14:11>> Uh right over here on fair. Uh
14:18I haven't lived there for a while, so I
14:19don't really I think
14:27Is that a single family home? Is that a
14:28duplex?
14:29>> It's a duplex.
14:30>> Duplex. Okay. Is it on the north side of
14:32the street?
14:34>> I don't know what it is, to be honest.
14:37North side of the street.
14:39>> I I don't know how to answer that one.
14:42>> Okay, fair enough. Fair runs east west.
14:44So, I was just wondering if it was I
14:46think I could picture it, but
14:48>> it's a prospect. If you're going to
14:50prospect, you turn in the right.
14:52>> Okay. Um,
14:52>> yeah.
14:54>> Uh, okay. So, tell me.
14:57>> But, uh, the reason
14:58>> your sister's book bag
15:00>> is in Lasaber.
15:02>> It was in my car, my other car, and then
15:04I went, she asked me to bring it. So, I
15:06went there at like 11:00. I walked out
15:08the back door. And
15:10>> that was yesterday.
15:10>> Yes, it was last night. I don't know if
15:13Bruce mentioned it. We lost keys. We
15:15filed a replacement thing. He was
15:17cleaning all the cars and we filed a
15:19report, not a replacement. I don't know
15:20what I'm talking about. He was cleaning
15:22the cars and he lost keys and people
15:24were hitting the alarm button and, you
15:26know, holding it down. We filed police
15:28reports and everything. But right when I
15:31got in Anna's car cuz the truck was
15:32blocked in, I was just going to take
15:33Anna's Cavalere, the blue Cavalere, and
15:36I was going to drive over, unlock my
15:38car, and throw it inside the house, the
15:39book bag, and leave. You know, right
15:42when I left, someone hit the the big
15:45alarm button. So, like whoever does have
15:48the keys was like had to see me walk out
15:50at like 11:30 last night. I just figured
15:52that was worth noting. I forgot to write
15:54that down in the
15:55>> Okay.
15:56>> I thought about it when I was sitting
15:57out there.
15:58>> Yeah.
15:59>> But um
16:00>> um
16:02tell me about uh tell me about the
16:04morning. What time did you wake up?
16:06>> Um
16:08probably like 10:25 cuz Anna had to be
16:10at work at 10:40. So, she woke me up to
16:13get up and watch the baby. And then
16:16>> Anna woke you up.
16:17>> Yes.
16:18>> Okay.
16:20>> Then, uh, I got up. I was upstairs. Was
16:23made her breakfast. We were watching
16:25Barney. She had some cookies and stuff
16:27like that. Nothing too big. I got her to
16:30lay down for a nap. Figured I'd take a
16:32nap, too.
16:33>> What What is your baby's name?
16:35>> Aurora.
16:36>> Aurora. How do you spell it?
16:38>> A U.
16:39>> O R A.
16:41>> A U.
16:43What?
16:43>> O R A
16:48>> How old is
16:50>> uh a year and five months, a year and
16:52six months, give or take.
16:54>> I'm sorry. I'm really bad with
16:55>> That's okay.
16:56>> that stuff.
16:59>> Okay. Um and Anna had to go to work.
17:02>> Anna worked.
17:03>> She worked at 11:00.
17:05>> Um I think it was like 10:40.
17:08It might I might be off by like 10
17:09minutes.
17:11>> No.
17:12You're telling me when she left or
17:14>> when she left? Yeah.
17:15>> 10:40.
17:16>> Okay. So, she's probably going to work
17:18at 11:00. Fair enough.
17:19>> Probably.
17:20>> Okay.
17:21Okay. And uh who else is in the home at
17:23that time?
17:24>> Uh just me. I brought the dog up because
17:26the other day uh someone tried to get in
17:28the house, so I felt better with him
17:30being up there. He like follows he
17:32follows the baby around so I feel better
17:34like when she's in the house when he's
17:36around.
17:36>> Mhm.
17:37>> Um he was up there and uh the other dog
17:40was in the
17:41the laundry room. The room
17:44the other door past the basement door.
17:47>> Okay.
17:48>> And no one was there for the longest
17:49time. It was just me. And then I think
17:51around
17:53around 1, Mel came home. I don't know
17:55the exact time. She didn't tell me she
17:57was coming home. She kind of showed up.
18:00And she walked in. We were going to meet
18:03my mom. She helped pay for the wedding
18:07cuz I didn't have enough money and my
18:09card wasn't going through.
18:10So, she gave me some money, but then I
18:13was late, so they ended up going up
18:14there to pay for it. But we were all
18:16going to meet for dinner later that
18:18night. I was going to go pick my mom up
18:20after she got home from work, and I was
18:22going to be like, "Hey, they want to go
18:23have dinner. Let's go have dinner at
18:25Applebee's. It was going to be this nice
18:27little thing." Well, Mel said she didn't
18:29want to do that. She just wanted me to
18:30go grab the money and everything. And I
18:32was like, "Okay, well, I'll do that when
18:33mom gets home." So, I left.
18:36>> No, I didn't leave. I'm skipping ahead.
18:39I'm sorry. I'm really tired.
18:41>> It's okay.
18:42>> So,
18:43>> where where was I?
18:44>> Well, I mean, you're at you're at home.
18:46Mel came home at 1, so we're at 1:00.
18:48And then the plan was It's fine. It's
18:51okay. The the plan was to meet for
18:54dinner, but Mel didn't want to do that.
18:56And she asked you to go get
18:58>> she asked you to meet your mom.
19:00>> Go grab the money. I I had to go grab
19:03like 600 bucks for my mom and the rest
19:04from my banker.
19:05>> But Mel asked you to do that. She asked
19:07me to go do that and I said, "I do it
19:10when she got home." And she said,
19:11"Okay." And that wasn't an issue. That
19:13was the end of the conversation.
19:15>> Okay. 600 bucks for mom. Okay.
19:18>> And then
19:18>> and then you just told her after work.
19:20>> And her excuse Yeah. I told her when she
19:22got home.
19:23>> Okay. Where does your mom work?
19:25>> She works at a bank downtown 53rd. She's
19:27like in the big old thing or whatever.
19:30>> But um I'm sorry. Where was I?
19:34I'm
19:35>> well
19:37just it's still at 1:00. Um I'm supposed
19:40to meet for dinner but
19:43>> she said she had to do something and she
19:46wouldn't elaborate which I you know I'm
19:48not going to press. It's not my
19:49business. So I was like okay whatever.
19:51>> Okay.
19:52>> She couldn't
19:54>> she just didn't say anything. And then
19:55she said she was going to the doctor and
19:57that I might need to get Kyle off the
19:58bus, which I get Kyle off the bus most
20:01days when because everyone works during
20:03the day, which isn't a big issue.
20:06Like, you know, he just doesn't like me
20:07that much. So, he just like runs
20:08upstairs, which that's fine. But, um, I
20:12got Kyle. Fast forward later, like, you
20:14know, everything's normal. Kyle Kyle's
20:18got to come home soon.
20:19>> Did she leave? Did Mel leave?
20:20>> Yeah, she went to the doctor's office.
20:22>> What time did she leave? Uh, not too
20:25long after that, she was only home for
20:27like maybe 20, 30 minutes at that. Most
20:30of the time she was upstairs.
20:32She went upstairs to change. She was
20:34wearing a green shirt, but she came back
20:36down,
20:39>> but um
20:42then
20:44she did she changed clothes?
20:46>> Yeah, she was wearing a pink shirt when
20:48she went upstairs and she came down
20:50wearing a green shirt.
20:54I think it had like the strongest
20:56Mustangs.
20:59I don't know if she was wearing the same
21:01pants. I just I just noticed the color
21:03change in shirt.
21:04>> Okay. So, she left to go to the doctor's
21:061:30 or so. Um, what time does Kyle get
21:09home?
21:09>> Uh, exactly 3:00. So, I walked out
21:12around 2:56, 2:57 and the bus is already
21:15there.
21:17Cuz sometimes they come really early and
21:19they call and [ __ ] that I'm not
21:21outside.
21:22Okay.
21:23>> So, I try to like walk out a little bit
21:24earlier, but then every time I plan on
21:26doing it, they're always early.
21:27>> Okay. So, you get him. You guys walk
21:30back inside.
21:31>> Uh I was still outside. We were chilling
21:33outside. It was raining, but he didn't
21:34want to go inside. So, he's kind of like
21:36running around the cars and stuff.
21:38>> Okay.
21:38>> And right when I was finally getting him
21:40like to go inside, Mel pulled in and
21:43she's like, "Hey, what is up?" You know,
21:45say hi.
21:46>> What time How long were you guys outside
21:48before Mel came home?
21:50Not no more than five minutes, if that.
21:53>> Okay. So, she came up shortly after
21:54three.
21:55>> Yeah.
21:57>> Um,
21:59>> and then I had the baby ready to go cuz
22:01I was going to my aunt Genie's. I don't
22:03know if I I gave the one officer her
22:04information and everything so you could
22:06call and ask if you need to. But I was
22:08going there. I helped with her lawn and
22:11her house and stuff. She can't do stuff
22:12like that. I was supposed to do leaves
22:15and cut some bushes down and put up she
22:18bought these lantern things like for the
22:20side of houses like lightning, but it
22:22was pouring rain, but on the way there
22:24and I ran out of gas.
22:26>> What time What time did you uh What time
22:28did you leave then?
22:30>> Like right after I just walked in and
22:32grabbed the baby.
22:32>> So as soon as Mel came home, you left
22:34right away.
22:34>> Lit right away.
22:36>> And I didn't notice with the truck that
22:38the light popped on for the gas. So, I'm
22:40driving down Prospect and I lost like,
22:43you know, it stalled out. I pulled to
22:45the side of the road a little bit,
22:46turned on my hazards.
22:47>> I was in view.
22:49>> No, on uh
22:51>> Drake. What is it? The one going to I'm
22:53sorry. I'm
22:55>> Well, you went You're Are you're head
22:56Are you heading
22:57>> I'm heading towards Prospect. I think
22:58that's Drake, right?
22:59>> Okay. So, you're across Drake.
23:01>> I could see Gecko, but I had the baby
23:03and it was pouring rain, so I wasn't
23:04sure what I was going to do.
23:05>> Okay. Um, you were going to your aunt.
23:08I'm sorry, was her name? and genies. She
23:11lives over um uh J
23:15I not not I E A
23:19N I.
23:21>> And where does she live?
23:23>> Uh over on Abigail Lane.
23:26Right off of you on 82 and you turn
23:28right onto something and there's
23:30Abigail.
23:31>> Okay. What is her last name?
23:33>> Mobbit.
23:34>> M O F I uh FF I T.
23:38other.
23:39>> Yeah.
23:43>> I'm sorry if I
23:44>> And do you have an Do you have an uncle?
23:46>> Uh, no. He passed away. That's why I
23:48helped all this stuff. He passed away
23:50maybe two years ago. His name was Kevin
23:53Moffett.
23:54>> Okay.
23:56>> It's just her and my one cousin, but my
23:59one cousin just started. She just
24:00started balling Wallace this year. She's
24:02a freshman, so she's not normally there.
24:06So, whenever Jeannie needs anything
24:07done, she normally calls my dad or me.
24:09We normally go over there and do it for
24:10her.
24:11>> Okay. Uh, you ran out of gas on Drake
24:14Road. Do you know where at on Drake?
24:17>> Um,
24:20within view of Gecko.
24:22Like maybe two
24:23>> your truck.
24:24>> Yeah. I was pulled aside. I had hazards.
24:26>> You were by Gecko?
24:28>> Yeah. I had my two gas tanks in the
24:29back, but they were empty.
24:31>> What kind of uh How big are those? Like
24:33five gallon?
24:34>> Just two five gallon ones. They're
24:35they're in the back of the truck if next
24:36if you go over. But uh the there was a
24:39nice man who stopped. I was going to I
24:41pulled out an umbrella. This little
24:42umbrella I was going to walk with the
24:44baby carriage in the thing like I
24:46couldn't find my phone. I didn't know
24:47where it was. But uh I was I was going
24:50to walk the plan was but someone stopped
24:52and asked if I needed help and I gave
24:53him $10 and he went and filled the gas
24:55can up and brought it back. He was very
24:57nice.
24:57>> Okay. So you you weren't near your gecko
24:59within walking distance, huh?
25:01>> Well, no. I I could see it is what I was
25:03saying. I was in a view.
25:04>> Okay.
25:05>> Not like walking distance. Walking
25:07distance.
25:08>> I could see like the corner of the sign.
25:10>> Okay.
25:11>> Um so somebody gave him 10 bucks. He
25:14filled them up.
25:15>> Yeah. And then right after right after
25:17that um
25:18>> he didn't he didn't want you didn't
25:20offer you didn't go with him.
25:22>> No. I had the baby.
25:25I
25:26>> I didn't want to get him to drink car
25:27with the baby.
25:28>> Okay. So he fills him up.
25:30>> I figure worst case is he steals my gas
25:31tank and $10.
25:33best kisses. He came back and he I mean
25:35he seemed like a really nice old guy. He
25:38>> read Lincoln pulls up and asked if I was
25:39okay.
25:43But I called my dad right after that and
25:45let him know I was on my way to Genie's.
25:48I got there. She was waiting for me. I
25:50was late cuz I had to stop and get gas
25:52and stuff.
25:55But what do you know your dad's fun?
25:59>> No, I don't. Not off the top of my head.
26:05Why do you need to call him?
26:07>> No, I just
26:10I'm listening. Um, so you called him.
26:12You told him uh you're on your on your
26:14way to Angie. Is that his sister?
26:16>> No, it's uh
26:18>> mom's sister.
26:18>> It's like a cousin.
26:19>> We just call her aunt. Okay. Cuz close
26:22>> family. Gotcha. Yeah. I do the same
26:23thing. Um
26:26>> Okay. You call him. So you you fill up
26:28your gas.
26:30>> Yeah. I stopped the gecko, put gas in,
26:32then I went straight to
26:33>> Okay. So, you did you uh
26:41>> Did he fill up both those cans?
26:43>> No, he only he only filled up one. He
26:45only put 10 bucks in one.
26:48There's still gas in it.
26:51>> I stopped and put six bucks in. That's
26:53all I had
26:54>> into right into your car.
26:56>> Right into my car just to get me there
26:58and there. And I kept the cash.
27:01>> Uh, yeah. I might have the receipt in
27:03the truck. I probably threw it down. I'm
27:06really glad I keep receipt.
27:07>> Okay.
27:08>> Actually, you know what?
27:10I might have it in here.
27:19Did you Did you put that um what he you
27:22just filled up? You didn't put the whole
27:25um gas can in?
27:26>> No, cuz I was the things at Guzzler. I
27:29was afraid I was going to lose gas
27:30again. I figured six bucks would be able
27:32to get me there and back.
27:33>> Okay.
27:33>> So, I can get more money.
27:35>> Okay. Okay. And then you go to your uh
27:37your aunt's.
27:38>> Yes.
27:39>> On Abigail.
27:40>> On Abigail.
27:41>> Is uh anybody home?
27:43>> Yeah. Genie was there.
27:44>> Okay. Do you know what time you get
27:46there now? How long does all this take?
27:48>> You left shortly after 3. What time do
27:50you think you got to her house?
27:51>> Probably 4:30.
27:53>> That's a long time.
27:55>> I was stuck there for the night. I
27:56didn't know what to do. I can find my
27:58phone.
28:124:30ish. Probably a little bit before, a
28:14little bit after. I'm not sure.
28:16I got there. I was talking to her for a
28:19while.
28:21>> Okay, let me let me u just backtrack a
28:23little bit. Um,
28:30>> what do you mean you couldn't find your
28:32phone?
28:34>> I couldn't find it for the longest time.
28:36It fell. If you look at the truck, I
28:38don't know if you took a good look, the
28:40two seats, the way they come together.
28:42They go like this.
28:44>> Mhm.
28:44>> And then in the center where the seat
28:45belts are, there's a big hole.
28:47>> Mhm.
28:48>> And when it goes down there, you have to
28:49go in the back seat to get it.
28:52>> Mhm. And so my phone slid down there and
28:54behind. So when I stopped and got the
28:57gas, I had to open the door,
28:59>> reach back there, and grab my phone.
29:04>> Okay.
29:06So you you get to your aunt's 4:30, give
29:09or take.
29:10>> Mhm.
29:11>> Okay. And what do you do there?
29:14>> Uh, it was raining, so I couldn't cut
29:16anything or do anything. So I kind of
29:17just chocked there. I cut up some
29:20>> What were you supposed to cut?
29:22>> Uh she wanted me to cut down some shrubs
29:24and stuff and then I wanted to rake all
29:27the leaves for her cuz she's got all
29:28these big pine trees and everything
29:29behind her. She's got big chine trees
29:31and a couple oak trees.
29:33>> Okay.
29:34>> Mhm.
29:35And then I was supposed to also
29:38>> she wanted me to put up like uh like
29:40lighting lanterns or whatever on the
29:41side of her house. She wanted me to
29:43replace them. She bought four new ones
29:45to replace the four ones she had.
29:51Okay.
29:53>> All right. And then do you uh how long
29:55do you stay there?
29:57>> I think about an hour if not more.
30:01I can't wait.
30:06And then
30:08>> you think you're there for an hour?
30:10>> Probably a little bit more. I called my
30:11dad when I left. I could if you look at
30:13my phone it'll tell you what time I was
30:15leaving
30:17like the exact time and then I went from
30:18there.
30:19>> Was that me? Nobody else was there? Just
30:20you and her?
30:21>> Just me and her and her dog and the
30:24baby.
30:25I spoke to Anna a couple times on the
30:27phone. I spoke to my dad on the phone
30:28while I was there. And then I called him
30:30after I left as well.
30:33And then I texted Anna that I was on my
30:34way when I was pulling out the driveway
30:37as well.
30:39And then I also texted her here when I
30:40got to Applebee's.
30:45>> Okay.
30:47>> Okay. And then from there, where did you
30:50go from your aunt's house?
30:52>> To Applebees. We went straight to
30:54Applebees.
30:55We were all supposed to meet there
30:56originally,
30:58but Anna told Bruce to go there and she
31:01told me to go there
31:03because either way, we needed to go get
31:05keys from her cuz we couldn't get Well,
31:07I couldn't get in the house at least.
31:09Um, what route did you take to
31:11Applebee's?
31:17>> Just straight down. I pulled out of the
31:19where Abigail is. If you turn go down
31:22the one way and turn left, you go right
31:24out on 82. Went straight down 82. Turn
31:26right at the mall entrance.
31:29>> Which entrance in the mall did you go?
31:31>> Uh the coming down 82, the first one by
31:33the new crafting store or whatever.
31:35There's a crafting store and a new
31:37restaurant there
31:38>> or newer restaurant there where the old
31:40giant eagle used to be.
31:42>> I turn right in there and then left and
31:43you're right in the Apple parking lot.
31:51What time do you think you get to
31:52Applebee's?
31:53>> Uh, I don't know the exact time off
31:55hand, but if you you guys saw my phone,
31:57if you look at it, it'll I send here
32:00when I walked in the door to Anna cuz
32:02she was supposed to service.
32:11And whose idea was it to go to
32:13Applebee's?
32:14Annis for us to meet there. Who's us?
32:18>> Uh, me
32:21cuz he was at the wreck. I think he was
32:23just going to go home afterwards, but
32:24she said to everyone go up to
32:26Applebee's. She was expecting us to go
32:28up there originally.
32:38>> And who who told Bruce to go there?
32:41>> Yeah.
32:42>> And how did she do that? She call him,
32:44text him?
32:45>> I don't know. She probably texted or
32:47called him. You'd have to ask her that
32:50or ask him.
32:51>> Okay. Did you call Bruce at all or did
32:52he call you?
32:53>> Uh, yeah. We spoke a few times when I
32:55was trying to figure out where Mel was
32:57cuz I tried to get back in the house to
32:59change and take a shower cuz I was kind
33:01of stinky.
33:08We were all trying to get a hold of Mel,
33:09so we all like crisscross called each
33:11other trying to figure out where she
33:12>> You guys were calling each other. You
33:14first? Yeah, I called him a few times.
33:16He called me once saying that he was at
33:19the wreck because I asked where he was.
33:20I thought they would be together, but
33:24then Anna called him a few times. She
33:26called me a few times. I think we were
33:28all just calling each other trying to
33:30figure out what's going on.
33:36>> Okay.
33:39>> Any texting between you guys?
33:43Uh, me and Bruce.
33:45>> Yeah, maybe.
33:46>> I don't.
33:47>> Maybe. I know. I texted Anna a whole
33:49bunch. I texted Anna. I might have
33:52texted Bruce once.
33:54>> Okay.
33:56>> To be honest, our texting is kind of
33:58limited. We don't talk that much.
34:01>> Okay.
34:06>> Okay. And then who uh who gets staff
34:08first? You were
34:09>> me. I was there probably 30 45 minutes
34:12by myself waiting for
34:21said he was at the wreck or something.
34:28He said he was at the wreck. He said he
34:30was leaving at first. Then he said he
34:32was going to hop in the sauna and then
34:33take a shower and go in the pool or
34:35something. Something along those lines.
34:39Mhm.
34:40>> Okay. And what do you while you're
34:43waiting for him?
34:44>> I ordered
34:47little quesadilla things and a pop. The
34:50baby was sleeping next to me, so I
34:51didn't really need to do anything. I
34:53just played on my phone with Facebook
34:54and stuff.
35:00>> Okay. And did you did you eat that
35:01before you got there?
35:02>> Uh, all but one.
35:05I was trying not to eat them all.
35:09Okay. Is Anna your server?
35:11>> Yes.
35:12>> Okay. And then Bruce arrives 30 40
35:15minutes after you.
35:17>> And when you walk in there, do you bring
35:19anything in with you?
35:21>> Uh diaper bag and the baby carrier cuz
35:24she was sleeping.
35:34>> Okay.
35:36And the clothes that you uh allow us to
35:41take, was that what you wore into?
35:44>> That was what I was wearing since I left
35:45three.
35:47>> Okay.
35:47>> Left at 3:00.
35:49The clothes that I was wearing before
35:50then I pointed out to you at the bottom
35:52of the stairs. It was like kind of
35:53pajama clothes. It was just sweatpants
35:55and a tight t-shirt.
35:58You were welcome to take those ones
35:59though if you wanted to. They're right
36:01at the bottom of the stairs on a
36:03cardboard box.
36:15Okay. And you wait for Bruce to get
36:18there. And then what kind of
36:19conversation does Bruce come in with?
36:21Anything?
36:22>> Uh, that little bag he carries around
36:24with them.
36:25>> What color is that?
36:27>> I think it's green and black. It's like
36:29a little little duffel bag. Like one of
36:31those little gym bags. the cheap ones
36:33you see at Dollar Tree.
36:35>> Okay.
36:37And
36:39you were his food.
36:40>> Uh he sat down. He asked if I talked to
36:42Mel and I was like, "No, you talked to
36:44me." We were all trying to figure out
36:45what's going on. Anna walked over. We
36:47were all talking like, "When was the
36:48last time we talked to her? When was the
36:50last time you do this?" He was all pissy
36:52that she told him to go to brew kettle
36:55or whatever.
36:58And he's like, I went and bought, we
36:59talked about Kyle for a little bit cuz
37:01Kyle has accidents, how he's buying
37:04underwear or whatever for Kyle. And we
37:06told him to go to Walmart to buy those
37:08like value packs and everything.
37:10>> Mhm.
37:11>> And then then we ordered food. We kind
37:13of sat there. We just talked about
37:15Ozaden's stuff. Then we were talking
37:18about uh how his tire I don't know if he
37:21told you someone put two nails in his
37:23tire.
37:24>> Mhm. like right next to each other that
37:27aren't attached nails. So, you know,
37:29somebody did it. We were talking about
37:31it cuz they were away all weekend and I
37:33wasn't paying attention to the cars, but
37:35his tire was flat when he came back in
37:37the car and it moved.
37:39>> So, someone like walked up and you know,
37:40put the nails in. We were talking about
37:42that he keeps on blaming uh Mark
37:46something, one of their old friends, the
37:49guy they call Spaz. I've only met him a
37:50handful of times. I don't know his
37:51point, but he thinks it's him with him
37:54and all that stuff. And then we were
37:56talking about the breakin and well the
37:58attempted breakin thing and all that
38:01stuff.
38:02>> Just we were just talking like trying to
38:04speculate what was going on. We were all
38:06blaming a different neighbor and stuff
38:08like that. Like everyone thinks I hate
38:11to say everyone thinks whatever. Like I
38:13think it's the girl next door, Laura,
38:16her son. I think it's him. Bruce thinks
38:19it's uh Spaz and Anna thinks it's the
38:22guy the other guy next door.
38:28>> And how long are you guys at Applebee's?
38:31>> Uh
38:33I don't know. We were there a little
38:35bit.
38:36>> What's a little bit to you?
38:40>> I I couldn't really tell you cuz the way
38:44I don't really know. I I couldn't tell
38:46you. I'm sorry. I could
38:50>> maybe. No, I don't take a full hour.
38:53Maybe. I was there for a while,
38:55actually.
38:56>> Okay. And you guys leave Apple Bees
39:00together?
39:01>> Yeah,
39:03we left. Uh, he walked out to the car
39:06with me. I had to walk out to the car
39:07with me. I poured some more gas in my
39:09car just cuz the light turned on again
39:12on the way back cuz I think it's a gas
39:14filter. put some gas in my car while I
39:16was talking to him
39:18and then put the gas tank in. He drove
39:21off before me. I closed up the tank, you
39:24know, took the nozzle out, put it all
39:26backwards, twisted it, put in the car,
39:28started the car, drove,
39:30came up behind him at the stoplight.
39:33Like I saw him turn when I was coming up
39:34the stoplight.
39:35>> How did you guys exit Applebee's?
39:37>> Uh, I go through the mall. I think he
39:39went a different way cuz he wasn't in
39:41front of me or behind me. It was just
39:43me. You know when you go uh past Kohl's
39:48>> right next to it. I went past Kohl's and
39:50to the right on the other entrance and
39:52just turned and hugged them all all the
39:53way to the
39:57>> when you I'm sorry I'm back.
39:59>> Did you go out the exit by Puket?
40:03>> No, the one after that. The one that's
40:04just where you go right. You get a right
40:06turn and you can skip the like basically
40:11>> or you can just turn red. Turn it right
40:13on red.
40:14I think that's faster in my head.
40:22>> Okay. And then driving home, he's not in
40:24front of you or behind you.
40:26>> Oh, no. He was in front of me, but I
40:29didn't notice it until we turned right
40:31on Golden Star.
40:33>> Okay.
40:34>> Cuz when I turned right onto Golden
40:35Star, he was turning right down Blazing
40:37Star.
40:39And there was a lady in front of me. So,
40:40I stopped. She went, I stopped, turned
40:44right, and then when I pulled in the
40:46driveway, he was already waiting by the
40:48door.
40:58>> Okay. And then
41:01>> what happened at the front door?
41:03>> Uh, we tried the keys. We talked for a
41:06minute by He's like, "That's her car.
41:07She's here." He's like, "Oh, she's being
41:10dumb or whatever. He said like a few
41:12other things. You know, he's getting
41:15pissed because he thought she blew him
41:16off or whatever. Then we tried the one
41:19key, didn't work. We tried the other
41:20key, it didn't work. And we're like,
41:21"What the hell are we going to do now?"
41:23We started knocking, knocking, knocking,
41:26nothing. Like 5 minutes go by. I hit the
41:29doorbell like 12 times in a row just to
41:32say someone's sleeping, just to wake him
41:33up. And Kyle came and opened the door.
41:36And you know, it seemed everything was
41:38normal. You know, Kyle opened the door.
41:41The lights were all on. Nothing seemed
41:42out of place, just looking in. I reached
41:45in, put the baby to the right like I
41:47always do because the one door doesn't
41:48open. So, I always put her to the right.
41:50And I went back out, grabbed her bag,
41:52grabbed my phone, wallet, and I walked
41:55in. And then when I was walking back,
41:58like about to run the garage, Bruce
42:00started screaming about something. I ran
42:02in, Kyle picked up the baby, and moved
42:04her in the living room, the room with
42:05the TV where the couch was, the L couch.
42:09Um, he put him in there. So, I walked
42:12in, ran over to
42:13>> So, you put the baby right in the foyer
42:14right there to the right by the stairs.
42:16>> Yeah. Right where the base of the stairs
42:17was. And Kyle picked up the baby. He
42:19does this all the time. He picks her up
42:21and he puts her in the other room cuz
42:22that's where everyone hangs out. He
42:24picked him up right in there. I thought
42:26something was wrong with the baby. So, I
42:27ran in.
42:27>> You went outside to get the diaper bag
42:28and do what else?
42:30>> Uh, my keys and wallet. I left them on
42:32the seat cuz I didn't know if we were
42:34going to get in the house. keys, wallet,
42:36and phone were all right on the driver's
42:38seat.
42:42And I didn't want to leave the baby
42:43there cuz she was awake. So, she would
42:45have started screaming if we walked
42:46away.
42:47>> And then you heard him uh you heard
42:49Bruce, what did Bruce scream?
42:51>> I don't know what he screamed at first.
42:53I just kind of heard him yell. So, I ran
42:55in. I thought something was wrong with
42:56the baby. Didn't see her at the door.
42:58Was yelling, "Where's the baby? Where's
43:00the baby?" L ran into the kitchen. Saw
43:02her to the right. Ran over there. Looked
43:03at her. Nothing was wrong. He was
43:05screaming in the kitchen. I thought
43:07something was wrong. I turned around and
43:10Mel was laying down.
43:11>> So you you went in, you went to the
43:12right for the baby. You didn't look.
43:15>> Is that what you said?
43:16>> I looked, but I didn't see, you know. I
43:18just looked for the little carrier cuz I
43:20was afraid something was wrong with her.
43:22>> Where is Bruce standing when when you
43:24come in the house?
43:25>> Uh right above her head like to the
43:28right.
43:30Like if you're if this is the pantry
43:33door, he was standing like this.
43:37I didn't even realize she was there at
43:39first.
43:42>> Did you actually go into the living
43:43room?
43:44>> Yes. I went in the living room. I picked
43:45up the carrier and I'm looking at her
43:46face. I thought something was wrong.
43:50And then I turned around and saw
43:53her in there and then he started
43:54screaming, "She's bleeding. She's
43:55bleeding. She's bleeding."
43:58And I was like, "Call 911. Call 911.
44:00called 911 and I reached down and I
44:02touched her leg to see if you know if
44:06she was a white guy like shook her leg.
44:10She didn't move. So he was standing over
44:13her mouth.
44:14>> Yeah. Like uh right where her head is.
44:16Her head was
44:19and then I shook her leg and she didn't
44:22move. Uh he
44:24>> yelling she's bleeding.
44:25>> He's laying she's bleeding. She's
44:26bleeding. She's bleeding. Then he ran
44:28past me into the front room and he
44:29started digging in his bags looking for
44:31his phone. He yelled, "He can't find his
44:32phone. He can't find his phone." And
44:34then he ran back over and like did
44:36something to her. He was looking
44:37touching her or moved her or something.
44:40Like I think he just touched her back
44:41and realized she was bleeding from from
44:43all over her back or whatever. I pulled
44:46out my phone. I started calling and then
44:47he yelled, "She isn't breathing." And
44:49that's when I grabbed Kyle and walked
44:51out.
44:54Kyle didn't want to go out. I kind of
44:55dragged him out
44:58by his neck. I wasn't trying to hurt
44:59him, but I just didn't want him in
45:01there.
45:05>> And who called 911?
45:06>> I I think he called as well, but I'm not
45:10sure.
45:10>> Were you outside when you called 911?
45:12>> Yes, I ran straight out to the truck. It
45:14was raining when I was making my way to
45:16the truck. Put the baby carrier in. I
45:18forced Kyle to sit down.
45:20Uh, when I was on the phone with 911, I
45:22turned in the lights and looked to see
45:23if Kyle was bleeding or anything because
45:25the lady asked me
45:28>> and Bruce went to his bags to try to
45:29find his phone.
45:30>> He was looking through his bags and then
45:32he came out. He was on the phone. I
45:34think he was on the phone with 911. He
45:35was yelling into the phone. So, I was
45:38trying to answer lady's questions.
45:49But uh originally when I was on the
45:51phone, he ran out and was screaming
45:53something. He didn't have his phone, but
45:55he was screaming at the top of his
45:56lungs. Some like bloody murder, you
45:59know? I don't know. I was trying to talk
46:01to the lady and explain it. I think I
46:04couldn't really talk. Well, I was like
46:07shaking and everything, but I was trying
46:09to explain to her what I saw, and she
46:11was asking me if she's alive, breathing.
46:12I was trying to talk. I didn't know. Um
46:15I was trying to explain it. I was having
46:17trouble doing it to be honest,
46:22but he was screaming something and then
46:24he was on the phone with somebody. I
46:26think it was 911 though.
46:28And then that's when you guys show up.
46:38>> Do you and Mel ever text?
46:40>> Yeah.
46:41>> Did you guys text at all that day?
46:43>> Yes.
46:45And what were those text messages?
46:47>> Um,
46:51I don't know off the top of my head now.
46:53I know she talked about her foot.
46:56She said she got uh some shot in her
46:58foot and I didn't understand it at first
47:02and then I texted her about coming to
47:05dinner and then before that she texted
47:07me like that day she texted me, oh,
47:10where the keys or whatever. I told her
47:12where the keys were and she said just
47:14saw this till last night cuz she had me
47:16take the van after the alarm went off
47:17when I was trying to leave in Anna's car
47:19because the van's the one that goes off.
47:21Someone has the keys to that hits.
47:23>> Where is the van at?
47:24>> Um Megan was driving it. They they did
47:27something in the morning while I was
47:28asleep and switched cars around when
47:30Bruce got a flat tire.
47:30>> So the red car is actually Megan's.
47:32>> The red car is normally Megan's. Yes.
47:34She drives the van majority of the time.
47:36Like very rarely does anybody else. Then
47:39Bruce stripes a little hybrid and Anna
47:42the blue car and whatever car I'm
47:43driving.
47:47>> Okay. Um
47:53those uh cameras. Did you install the
47:55cameras?
47:57>> Uh yes. The one in the front.
48:00>> Where are the cameras?
48:01>> The one in the back. There's only two.
48:03>> Okay.
48:04>> The one in the back has always been in
48:05the same spot. Right underneath the top
48:07of the stairs. the first step. It's
48:10drilled up underneath facing the back
48:12door cuz people were kicking the back
48:13door when we bought it and then they
48:14stopped after that. I think they saw the
48:16red light. And then the other one was
48:19when I put it in was in the, you know, I
48:22don't know if you saw the corner of the
48:24brick like thing by the bushes. There's
48:26a light that doesn't have a light bulb
48:29in it. I just put it right in there and
48:30ran the plug in so it look at the cars.
48:34But then we moved it uh when the keys
48:37went missing and people were hitting the
48:38cars to point directly at the van on top
48:40of that wall
48:43>> on top the arch.
48:44>> Yeah, the arch wall thing. Whatever you
48:46want. We put it up there. It's just
48:48taped on it. But uh soon after we did
48:51that, they cut the cord on it. Whoever
48:54did
48:56>> When when did it go up on the top of the
48:58wall? When was that move?
49:00>> Um there's a police report from when we
49:02called them. the exact date. We called
49:05him out cuz someone was hitting the
49:06alarm button constantly and we didn't
49:07want to have the police call on us. But
49:09Mel followed police reportly. Someone
49:11came out.
49:12>> When do you think it was?
49:15>> I couldn't tell you.
49:17>> Months.
49:18>> It was like last month. I think if I had
49:20to guess last month, maybe the month you
49:23But you moved it, right?
49:25>> I moved it. Yeah. And
49:26>> it was just taped up there.
49:27>> Yeah. They wouldn't let me drill it in.
49:33So, I just, if you look, it's just like
49:35clear packing tape on it. That's all
49:36they'd let me do to it. Someone cut the
49:39cord. Someone like walked from that side
49:42of the house where the little barbed
49:43wire fence is, not the barb wire, the
49:46iron steel fence is, and just cut the
49:48cord cuz it wasn't on the camera
49:52cuz the camera was still watching like
49:54the pathway as well as the van cuz the
49:56van parks right in front in front of the
49:57pathway. So, we would have saw someone
50:00walk through, cut it, and reached over.
50:02So they had to come from the other side.
50:06>> So the one working right now in the
50:08back.
50:08>> Mhm.
50:09>> And how do you uh view it on your phone?
50:12>> Uh Mel's the only person who has the app
50:14or having it.
50:19>> Why is that?
50:21>> Uh I tried downloading on my old phone
50:23and it wouldn't let me. It said that it
50:25was like a dangerous app and couldn't
50:27lead to leaking of information. So I
50:28didn't download it.
50:31You know how you get those warnings when
50:32you download some apps?
50:34>> What was the app called?
50:36>> Uh Fun Lux or Fun Lex, something like
50:40that. I don't remember fully. It was so
50:42long ago.
50:44But it's fun like fu n
50:47lux or lex or elix something along those
50:50lines.
50:50>> Where'd you buy those at?
50:52>> I didn't buy them. She did. She ordered
50:54them off Amazon, I think. Okay.
50:56>> She likes buying stuff off Amazon.
51:09Uh, did did you find her keys?
51:12>> Who's
51:13>> um Linda's?
51:17>> Um, I don't know. I've been here. So,
51:20>> uh, if you didn't, there's, uh, that all
51:23the keys have a key fob on them, like
51:25that little circle thing with a color.
51:28Uh, above the refrigerator, there's a
51:29there's a remote. If you hit it, it'll
51:31make the keys beep.
51:33>> Okay. I just figured that might be
51:35helpful.
51:37>> Uh, we talked a little bit at the house.
51:39Um, there's weapons in the home.
51:42>> Yes.
51:42>> Those are your uh, fathers.
51:45>> And when did you bring those into the
51:46home?
51:47>> The other day. Uh yesterday.
51:50Yesterday
51:50>> on Sunday.
51:51>> Mhm.
51:53>> And why did you bring those in?
51:55>> Because I didn't want to drive around
51:56with them in case I got pulled over.
51:58That's the only time they were in the
51:59house. I had
52:00>> Why did Why did he ask you to take them?
52:02>> Uh we were going He didn't ask me to
52:04take them. We were going to the gun show
52:05in that car, the one over in Berea. But
52:08he ended up going to the hospital cuz he
52:10has a hand infection. His hand's the
52:12size of like a coconut.
52:16And why wouldn't you just put him back
52:17in his house?
52:18>> I never got a chance to stop back over
52:20there.
52:25>> You could check them all. None of them
52:26have been fired or anything.
52:29I don't even think all of them have
52:30magazines. I only saw them the one day
52:33we pulled them out.
52:35But I know there's a few knives in that
52:36bag, too. I think I threw my seated two
52:40in the top cuz they moose ate the
52:42container for it. The dog's loose.
52:47>> Your dad got sick?
52:49>> Yes.
52:59>> I'm sorry. Where do your mom and dad
53:00live again?
53:01>> Fair road. Why do you need the address?
53:07>> What is it?
53:18Okay.
53:20And how many guns were
53:23that? Whose book bag is that that they
53:24were in? It's a backpack.
53:26>> That's my father's. It's an NRA gun bag.
53:31And how many guns?
53:34>> Um there's a revolver,
53:36a small car.
53:40Um, small,
53:41>> a small 40 mil 40 car,
53:45uh, 29 mm
53:50and a 1911 45. That's it.
53:56And there's no ammo in that bag at all.
54:01What kind of knives are in there?
54:04>> Uh, just knives that I found in his car.
54:07Just like a I think there's like a
54:08couple. There's like two SOG knives and
54:11there's a hunting knife in there as
54:13well. You can test all of them. Go
54:15ahead.
54:19As well as you can test the guns. You
54:21have my permission with that.
54:23>> And when was the last time you fired a
54:24gun?
54:25>> I fired a gun not in a few weeks,
54:28probably a month or two.
54:31I haven't gone shooting with my father
54:32in a while.
54:36two, three months.
54:38>> Yeah. I have handled weapons that he has
54:40shot though. Like when he went to the
54:43hospital the other the other day, I had
54:45he has his concealed carry weapon in his
54:48car. When we were in the hospital
54:50parking lot, I walked out and cleared it
54:51from my mother. She doesn't know how to
54:53do stuff like that.
54:56>> But he goes to the range pretty often.
54:59I'm saying there might be stuff on my
55:01hands from that. I don't know how long
55:03it stays on or anything like that.
55:04>> And when did you clear your dad's gone?
55:07>> Uh, Saturday.
55:11>> Is that gone in that bag?
55:13>> No, no, no, no. That's at my father's
55:16house. My mother and father's house.
55:19That was a gun I cleared. I took the
55:21magazine out, made sure there was
55:22nothing in that chamber, left it open,
55:24and I set it back in the bag.
55:26>> What kind of gun is it?
55:28>> That was a Glock 9 mm, I think.
55:34Nothing that I would have.
55:36>> What time on Saturday did you do that?
55:39>> Uh early morning 10 11.
55:43>> And where'd you do that at?
55:44>> Uh the hospital parking lot in front of
55:47my mother.
55:50She doesn't know how to do any of that
55:52stuff and I didn't want her driving
55:53around with a gun like that.
56:00Um, and I do handle guns with my father
56:03whenever we do do stuff like that. He
56:06says you're going to sell something,
56:09>> Jeff. But you have you said you're
56:11afraid to drive around with those guns.
56:13Um, you the other ones you
56:18you took inside.
56:20And then why would this one Why would
56:22you not take this one inside as well?
56:24>> My mother drove his car home.
56:27Okay.
56:27>> It was it was in a black bag in his
56:31truck. I was driving my envoy there. I
56:34stopped by to see him that day. I went
56:37out to the car with them cuz she was
56:38going to give me money for LAC to point
56:40past that day. They went up to Cedar
56:42Point. I just cleared the weapon, set it
56:45inside the bag, and she took the bag
56:47home. I just didn't want her picking up
56:49the bag and, you know, setting it down.
56:51And God forbid something happened.
56:54>> She took what bag home? my father's bag.
56:58It had his concealed carrier weapon in
57:00it. I just wanted to clear it just in
57:01case she threw it down or something.
57:02>> But why wouldn't she take the other bag
57:04home then?
57:05>> What other bag? I wasn't driving. That
57:07was the truck. It was in the back of the
57:09truck. So when I went and grabbed the
57:11truck that one day, I didn't like that
57:13later that day. I did not know that that
57:15bag was in there until I got home.
57:17>> You didn't know that the ner was in
57:19there?
57:20>> You didn't know that? No, not the the
57:23NRA bag with all the guns in it
57:26>> was in the truck. The bag that the gun
57:27that had the loaded gun in it was in my
57:29dad's truck, his SUV. My mom drove the
57:32SUV home. I drove Ellie around a little
57:35bit more, went home, grabbed the truck,
57:38left the envoy there, the truck that
57:40just had the NRA bag in it, and drove to
57:42my house because I planned to do work at
57:45my aunts, which I ended up not doing
57:47that day and ended up going to do it
57:49today.
57:53I did not intentionally take those guns.
57:55Basically, that's what I'm trying to
57:56say.
57:58I'm sorry if I'm not explaining things
58:00well. I am very tired.
58:06Does that make sense or
58:08uh yeah, we're going to talk a little
58:11bit further about it. So, let me let's
58:13just back up so I understand this
58:14clearly. We'll go slow because you're
58:16throwing a lot of cars out there. And so
58:19on Saturday,
58:20>> yes,
58:22>> you guys were planning on going.
58:25>> They were they were going to see
58:28Let me start again. Saturday, Ellie's in
58:31the car. Ellie's I'm going to pick up
58:33Ellie. I stopped at the hospital to say
58:35hi to my dad. I haven't seen him since
58:36he's been in the hospital. His truck is
58:39in the parking lot. He said that there
58:41was a gun in there, that I can go grab
58:44some money. My mother walked out there
58:46with me.
58:47She grabbed the money out of the bag,
58:49gave me some money for Ellie's ticket. I
58:52cleared the weapon that was in his car
58:54so that there was nothing in the chamber
58:55or anything like that. He's licensed to
58:57carry it. He's a concealed carry weapon.
58:59>> Okay.
59:00>> I ejected the magazine.
59:01>> And your mom takes that?
59:03>> Yes. And I put it in the back seat of
59:05the car, like all the way in the back.
59:07You know where you open up the window? I
59:08set it down there. She drove off in that
59:11car later. She went back up. But I went
59:13in my car, drove picked up Ellie, went
59:16to write aid, bought her ticket, and
59:18then we went back to the house and they
59:19went to Cedar Point.
59:21>> Her sister, like my sister, Anna's
59:24sister, her and some Sandra, one of
59:27their friends.
59:28>> Mhm.
59:29>> Um,
59:32so the last time you physically touched
59:35a gun is Saturday, right?
59:37>> Yes.
59:38>> Okay.
59:39>> But I don't know when the last time he
59:40fired that weapon was. That's what I was
59:41worried about.
59:42>> Yep. And since Saturday, have you
59:45showered?
59:46>> Yes, I think I showered that day.
59:49>> I don't know if I showered yesterday,
59:51though. I'm sorry to see.
59:54>> Okay. But you showered?
59:57>> Yes.
59:58>> Okay. And do you wash your hands at use
1:00:01the restroom?
1:00:01>> Yes.
1:00:04>> Am I in trouble?
1:00:06>> No, I just
1:00:07>> I'm sorry.
1:00:08>> You know, you're No, you're asking me.
1:00:10you know, you're worried about it, but
1:00:12um you know, if the last time you
1:00:14touched a gun was 48 hours ago at the
1:00:16least, you showered, you washed your
1:00:19hands, you know, so you should worry
1:00:22about.
1:00:22>> All right.
1:00:24Thank God I was worried.
1:00:27>> I didn't know how long that stuff stayed
1:00:29on.
1:00:36But was she shot?
1:00:38You said that when I saw her, it looks
1:00:41like she I'm sorry.
1:00:43>> She was shot and stabbed.
1:00:46>> Shot and stabbed.
1:00:49>> Um
1:00:52Jeff, let's go back to
1:00:56when your car breaks down. It's just an
1:00:58awfully long time to be on Drake Road
1:01:01for an hour and a half. And so when you
1:01:03see
1:01:03>> Was it there for an hour? I wasn't there
1:01:05for an hour and a half. I was there less
1:01:06than that. But I was just, you know how
1:01:10when you pull the side of the road a
1:01:12little bit and there's the ditch? I was
1:01:14just outside the ditch. I had my hazard
1:01:15lights on. It was when the pouring rain
1:01:18started. I was just like I could see the
1:01:22corner of the gas station at the top
1:01:23corner of the gas station.
1:01:26But you're there. You're there for an
1:01:27hour. You you said you were there for an
1:01:29hour and a half.
1:01:31>> That's bad, I guess.
1:01:32>> So really long time. And then then you
1:01:36tell me you can't find your phone.
1:01:37>> I didn't have my phone. I didn't know
1:01:39where it was.
1:01:40>> You said you couldn't find it.
1:01:41>> I know, but I'm I'm saying like I didn't
1:01:42physically have it.
1:01:43>> Okay. But you could get it. You just got
1:01:45to go to the back, you said, and and
1:01:47grab it.
1:01:48>> Yeah. But I didn't know if I left it at
1:01:49the house or what. Like I was looking
1:01:50and then when I finally like when the
1:01:52nice man got me some gas and I got to
1:01:55the gas station, I sat down, looked, you
1:01:58know, looked in the car, looked
1:02:00everywhere, opened the back door,
1:02:02reached back, looked through all that.
1:02:03How long were you sitting there before
1:02:04that guy came and helped you?
1:02:07>> Maybe 20 minutes. 20 30 minutes.
1:02:09>> 20 30 minutes.
1:02:11>> Yeah.
1:02:12>> And nowhere in that 20 30 minutes, did
1:02:14you want to go see if you left your
1:02:16phone at the house or go to check the
1:02:18car?
1:02:19>> I didn't get
1:02:20>> No. What I'm asking though is I I said
1:02:23it wrong. In that 20 to 30 minutes, you
1:02:25didn't want to check your car to see if
1:02:27you left
1:02:28>> around, but I didn't want to hop out on
1:02:30Drake and open up both doors. What cars?
1:02:32Even describing those seats, knowing
1:02:34that it drops down there and where it
1:02:36ends up would be pretty.
1:02:38>> I mean, I looked around. I didn't see
1:02:40it. Like the way
1:02:45I guess I could have done it better.
1:02:56I was just looking around for the phone.
1:02:57I just didn't see it.
1:02:59>> Especially now that you have
1:03:02you have help and then you look for your
1:03:03phone. Um, just an awfully long time to
1:03:05be sitting there in Drake Road. Um,
1:03:08there's a big gap in time.
1:03:17I don't know. I didn't want to hop out
1:03:19of the car
1:03:20>> with people zooming by me and I didn't
1:03:22want to walk out and try and walk to the
1:03:24gas station holding a gas tank and the
1:03:26baby. That's what was my predicament.
1:03:29I understand not getting not wanting to
1:03:31get out of the car with the baby and if
1:03:32it's raining, but um I think anybody
1:03:36would first look for their phone to see
1:03:38if they call for some help.
1:03:39>> Well, I was looking, but like I said,
1:03:41you have to get around the back and I
1:03:42just
1:03:43>> didn't feel safe to do that.
1:03:44>> I didn't feel safe to do it and I
1:03:46there's a good possibility I left the
1:03:48phone at home is what I was thinking.
1:03:50>> But what made you feel safe 20 30
1:03:51minutes later?
1:03:52>> I pulled up into the gecko
1:03:55>> after I got some gas. I pulled up into
1:03:56the gecko. And but you just told me that
1:03:59you found it while he was getting you
1:04:00gas.
1:04:01>> Yeah, he got me gas. I pulled up into
1:04:03the get- go. I said I put $6 in the
1:04:05bank. That's when I opened up the car
1:04:07and looked up on the phone.
1:04:09>> Okay.
1:04:10>> And then I called Genie or I might have
1:04:12texted Genie or called Genie that I was
1:04:13on the way.
1:04:16>> I'm sorry if I'm not explaining things
1:04:18right. I'm very tired.
1:04:21>> Chad, how did you get the scratches on
1:04:23your face?
1:04:26I had a little bumper with the truck. I
1:04:29got tapped. That's from me hitting the
1:04:32steering wheel. You can ask Anna and her
1:04:34mother about and her father and whoever
1:04:36else.
1:04:37>> When did you get a car accident?
1:04:39>> It wasn't really a car accident. It was
1:04:40just kind of a bump.
1:04:41>> Okay. Well, when did you get bumped?
1:04:43>> Yesterday on my way back from helping
1:04:46Dakota Skier move.
1:04:48>> Sorry.
1:04:49>> Uh I was helping my buddy move from his
1:04:51house here in Prospect at the corner of
1:04:53Prospect and Lawn.
1:04:55You can account from where I was there.
1:04:57And then on the way back, I got bumped,
1:04:59but just enough to just hit my head.
1:05:02And I've had the scratches since
1:05:03yesterday. You can ask Anna or Bruce
1:05:06about it.
1:05:07>> Okay. Would you hit your head on the
1:05:08steering wheel?
1:05:09>> Mhm. It was just enough of a bump.
1:05:12>> Did you Was there a police report?
1:05:14>> No, there was no damage on either of the
1:05:15cars.
1:05:25It's just the seam of the the seam of
1:05:27the wheel sticks out and that's what cut
1:05:28me. This side I don't know what that is.
1:05:31This is what hit me.
1:05:34>> Yeah. What is on this side? So you get a
1:05:36sign that was round. So these are going
1:05:38down the scratch marks.
1:05:41>> I don't think so. It was there last
1:05:43night. It's just from something else. It
1:05:46could be from the cell unit. But this
1:05:48all was there last night. You can ask
1:05:49Anna, Bruce, all of them.
1:05:54And if you need to, I guess you could
1:05:56test my face.
1:05:58I don't know if that's an actual thing.
1:06:16So, who do you think is capable of doing
1:06:18something like this?
1:06:21I mean, Bruce gets angry and yells at
1:06:23everybody sometimes, but I don't think
1:06:24he would be able to do that.
1:06:27I don't
1:06:29I don't think Anna would. I don't think
1:06:32anybody would.
1:06:34Anna and Mel recently found out that the
1:06:36guy next door has guns and was flaunting
1:06:39guns around.
1:06:41The one that left, I don't know his last
1:06:43name, but his name's Ronnie. He said
1:06:45something about it when the breakin
1:06:46happened to the officer. He said he
1:06:49would look detective.
1:06:52Uh
1:06:53I don't know what he is. Like white
1:06:55hair. The house to the left or other
1:06:58way. You're facing the house. The house
1:07:00at the left.
1:07:01>> Yeah. House to the left with the red
1:07:02door.
1:07:04with the basketball hoop.
1:07:06>> I don't know how they came about that.
1:07:07They told the detective that came by, he
1:07:10had white hair, kind of short. I don't
1:07:12know his name. I have his card.
1:07:13Actually, you know what? I do have his
1:07:16card.
1:07:22Be told
1:07:24not this guy, that's the officer.
1:07:30You know what? I might not have his
1:07:32card.
1:07:33There's a picture of his car on my
1:07:35phone, but they told him about it.
1:07:40Bae seemed pretty concerned about it.
1:07:42You can call Anna and ask her about it
1:07:43if you want.
1:07:49>> Okay. The uh the clothes that you're
1:07:50wearing prior to three, what were they?
1:07:54>> Uh sweatpants and a t-shirt and some
1:07:57socks.
1:08:00What colors to sleep in?
1:08:02>> Gray t-shirt, black sweatpants.
1:08:05I don't know what color the socks were.
1:08:07Probably white or black. The only ones I
1:08:10have.
1:08:17>> And why did you change?
1:08:19>> Because I was sleeping in those clothes
1:08:21and I didn't want to go out in them.
1:08:25And plus, if I'm if I I like have
1:08:28whenever I sleep in clothes, I kind of
1:08:29sleep in them like two or three days in
1:08:30a row cuz you know, you just sleep in
1:08:32them.
1:08:34I don't want to get them dirty by
1:08:35working.
1:08:45Um, in the process of
1:08:49eliminating,
1:08:51you know, the people that were there on
1:08:53the scene, would you take a polygraph
1:08:55test?
1:08:56>> What's that?
1:08:57>> Uh, a lie detector test.
1:08:59>> Um, sure.
1:09:02Okay.
1:09:04Actually, you know what? Wait, I'll talk
1:09:07to my mother about it first, but I mean,
1:09:09I guess I'd be open to it.
1:09:11Wow.
1:09:13Did I thought those things don't work?
1:09:16>> Those are very accurate.
1:09:17>> Oh,
1:09:19never mind. I just going off stuff I saw
1:09:22on TV.
1:09:26>> Okay. Did you have do you have any
1:09:29involvement in Mel's death? Any any
1:09:32knowledge?
1:09:33>> No. Of anybody? No.
1:09:34>> Besides being there,
1:09:36>> who do you think would do something like
1:09:38this?
1:09:39>> She's she's nice. She's wellliked. She's
1:09:41a teacher. Everybody knows her and loves
1:09:43her.
1:09:44>> I mean, granted, we do butt heads every
1:09:46once in a while. Like, we yell at each
1:09:48other about little stuff, but it's like,
1:09:50who doesn't?
1:09:52>> Basically, they're family.
1:09:56If I had to if I had to say someone who
1:09:59did it, I would probably say the person
1:10:01that tried to break in the other day.
1:10:03There's a police report about that.
1:10:04Someone tried to open the door while I
1:10:06was there.
1:10:12What do you want? Like I don't know.
1:10:15>> What?
1:10:17>> I don't Bruce gets all mad sometimes
1:10:20like when he drinks, but I he wasn't
1:10:22drinking or anything today, I don't
1:10:23think. But that's the only thing I can
1:10:25think of.
1:10:27Like she's told us a few times if he
1:10:29comes home like when he's drinking just
1:10:31to leave or call the cops and stuff, but
1:10:34he hasn't she hasn't done that in a long
1:10:35time. So, I think he's kind of changed a
1:10:37little bit, but I really doubt he would
1:10:41do that. He really loves her. I think he
1:10:43really cares about her.
1:10:47>> But everyone, I mean,
1:10:50she's great. I don't know anyone who
1:10:52would hurt her. She's a teacher. People
1:10:54come up to the back door all the You
1:10:55know what? What
1:10:57>> seems odd to me is when you heard Bruce
1:11:00screaming,
1:11:02so you said initially you were afraid
1:11:05it's the baby.
1:11:06>> Yeah.
1:11:07>> But you one would go, you'd come in, you
1:11:10go to the scream. So you're looking for
1:11:12a bruise number one. And then
1:11:16>> with the baby because cow's
1:11:18>> well but you're assuming that you're
1:11:20wondering if it's the baby and you're
1:11:22gonna Bruce is screaming so he must see
1:11:25something with the baby.
1:11:25>> He screamed once. He wasn't constantly
1:11:27screaming if that's what you're trying
1:11:28to say.
1:11:28>> So he screamed. You're worried about the
1:11:30baby. So you're going to go to Bruce
1:11:33because you're assuming the baby's by
1:11:34him, right? That's why he'd be
1:11:36screaming.
1:11:37>> I was just looking for the carrier. I
1:11:39sat her down inside and when I looked in
1:11:40the door and she wasn't there, I really
1:11:42thought it was about her while he was
1:11:44yelling.
1:11:45>> Yeah. I It's It's just hard to believe
1:11:48that you wouldn't see him standing there
1:11:50and see a scene like that. You know, you
1:11:53said you went right to the the room and
1:11:56>> I was just looking for the baby, I
1:11:57guess.
1:11:58>> You know, cuz it's not a very big house.
1:11:59So, I mean, when you come into that out
1:12:01of that hallway there, you could see
1:12:04Bruce real easily, you know, so you
1:12:07couldn't pass him up.
1:12:09I was just looking for the baby. That's
1:12:11all I got to say. I guess I just I
1:12:14wanted to make sure my daughter was
1:12:15safe.
1:12:16>> Mhm.
1:12:17>> Yeah. Just it seems really tough to run
1:12:19by that.
1:12:21>> I wasn't I'm not trying to ignore if
1:12:23that's what you're trying to say.
1:12:24>> You know, he screamed one. So,
1:12:28what did he scream? Like, what was he
1:12:30saying?
1:12:30>> I was out. I don't know. It was loud and
1:12:32it was scary. I ran in to see what it
1:12:36was.
1:12:36>> Was it high pitch? like a high pitch
1:12:37scream or
1:12:38>> it's like ah like real loud he yelled
1:12:40something like help or just something
1:12:43short like that
1:12:43>> and that panicked you that much to run
1:12:45in the house and look for the baby.
1:12:48>> Well, I just set her down and Kyle has
1:12:49hit her a few times so I got scared.
1:12:51Yes. When I reached when I walked right
1:12:54in, set her down, walked out, heard him
1:12:56yell, walk in. The baby's not there. The
1:12:59first thing I think of was where's the
1:13:00baby? Why is the baby not there? What's
1:13:02wrong? And so you physically ran or did
1:13:06you walk in
1:13:07>> like walked really fast and run run?
1:13:11>> That's what you're thinking.
1:13:14>> Didn't see Bruce.
1:13:15>> Well, I looked and I just was looking
1:13:17for the baby. That's all I wanted to
1:13:19know. Where the baby was, why the baby
1:13:21wasn't where she was. That's all I was
1:13:23really concerned about.
1:13:25>> Well,
1:13:27if I heard somebody yell, if I heard you
1:13:29yell, I'd be looking for you. Even if I
1:13:31thought it was about the baby, I'd be
1:13:33looking for you. Assuming that you saw
1:13:35something or what do you what's wrong?
1:13:38So, it's just really odd to me that you
1:13:40don't even see Bruce and he's the one
1:13:41that yelled and he wasn't screaming like
1:13:42you said like he just scream you just
1:13:45yelled once like, "Ah," you know? So,
1:13:46it's not really that scary. So, you go
1:13:49in, you don't run in. So, it's not like
1:13:51you ran in and flew by him. You you
1:13:54fastpaced walk and then you just don't
1:13:56even see him. You you just dismiss him
1:13:58and go to the right. You see him, but
1:14:01you don't see the rest.
1:14:03>> I was just looking for the baby, I
1:14:04guess. I don't know.
1:14:05>> Right. But you see him, but you don't
1:14:08see everything else. And you went to the
1:14:09right. So, how do you how do you see him
1:14:11and not look down?
1:14:12>> I just like wasn't like paying
1:14:13attention. I don't know. I was looking
1:14:15for the baby. All I wanted to see was
1:14:17the baby. What was wrong? What was going
1:14:18on?
1:14:18>> There's There's no way, Jeff. There's no
1:14:20way you could see him see that he's
1:14:22there and then and go to the right
1:14:25without seeing Mel. There's no way.
1:14:28especially in a small kitchen like that.
1:14:31>> I don't know. I just didn't I don't know
1:14:34what you wanted me to say.
1:14:36>> It was just not believable. This is
1:14:38impossible to to walk in that house to
1:14:40look over and see Bruce, the guy that
1:14:42yelled and not like what's wrong? And
1:14:47then there's no way you can miss that. I
1:14:48mean, there's no way you can miss that.
1:14:51>> I guess
1:14:53I don't know. I just all I wanted was
1:14:55the baby. I just wanted her to figure
1:14:57out what was wrong. Reaching like
1:15:00reaching in, setting her down, and
1:15:01walking out and then coming back after
1:15:04you hear someone yell that she's not
1:15:05there. That's kind of scary. I wanted to
1:15:08see where the hell she was, what was
1:15:09going on. Once I figured out where she
1:15:11was, I looked around. Mel was there.
1:15:14Kyle was right next to me.
1:15:16That's when we were talking about the
1:15:18911. Call 911. He went to his bags.
1:15:22I just didn't register it, I guess. I
1:15:23don't know. Well, when did you see Mel?
1:15:27>> Kind of when I turned around, I noticed
1:15:28she was there.
1:15:30>> Turned around from the family room.
1:15:32>> Yeah. I reached down, picked up the
1:15:35baby's carcass, looked at it, and I
1:15:36turned around
1:15:38kind of like
1:15:39>> Where is Where is the baby carrier?
1:15:41>> Uh, you know where the second chair was
1:15:44of the thing? It was right on the edge
1:15:47like nearly in the family room. Nearly
1:15:49not in the family room. technically in
1:15:51the family room, but
1:15:53>> like still on the tile kind of.
1:15:58>> Um, yeah. It just just seems really hard
1:16:01to miss that, you know, especially when
1:16:04especially when you say you saw him, but
1:16:06you don't see her.
1:16:08It's almost impossible.
1:16:10>> I'm not looking at the floor. I wasn't
1:16:12really trying to I don't know.
1:16:15>> You can't You can't look in that room
1:16:16without seeing the floor.
1:16:19>> I don't know. I just was I don't know. I
1:16:22just wanted to see where Aurora was.
1:16:25That was like my main objective, I
1:16:26guess.
1:16:29>> Your uh your uncle Kevin,
1:16:32he was also shot.
1:16:34>> No, he he died.
1:16:36>> How did he pass away?
1:16:38>> He had like a brain aneurysm or
1:16:39something. This was a while ago.
1:16:50I would say
1:16:51>> who told who who told you he had a brain
1:16:52aneurysm?
1:16:53>> Well, my my aunts or uncles. My dad
1:16:56probably. This was years ago, maybe two
1:16:59years ago. They found him dead in his
1:17:03like living room or couch,
1:17:06kitchen, something like that. He was
1:17:08just dead. He was sick.
1:17:11He had health problems and stuff like
1:17:13that. I thought he had like a brain
1:17:15aneurysm or something. I didn't think
1:17:17he's been shot.
1:17:19Did I say he was shot?
1:17:21>> Mm. He didn't.
1:17:24>> Is that what happened to him?
1:17:28>> I don't know. You're telling me he had a
1:17:29brain?
1:17:30>> But you just said he was shot.
1:17:32>> Did you go to his funeral?
1:17:33>> Yes.
1:17:34>> Okay. And then who told you what he
1:17:36passed away from?
1:17:39I can enter an uncle.
1:17:40>> You had JD?
1:17:41>> No, my father told me he had a health
1:17:44issues and stuff, but he passed. But
1:17:46there were talk about what happened to
1:17:48him. Everyone said it was a brain
1:17:50aneurysm, or at least that's what I
1:17:52think it was.
1:17:53>> Okay.
1:17:56>> This was like a year or two ago.
1:17:58>> Mhm.
1:18:11the uh the guns downstairs. Did anybody
1:18:14else know they were there?
1:18:15>> Anna did.
1:18:20>> Did she have a problem with the guns
1:18:21being in the home?
1:18:23>> No. As long as there's no ammo to shoot.
1:18:27>> They weren't going to be there long. As
1:18:28soon as I took the truck back, I was
1:18:29going to put them back in the truck and
1:18:31pull it in the driveway. Mhm.
1:18:33>> I didn't plan for them to be there.
1:18:39Okay.
1:18:41Um,
1:18:49yeah, I definitely having a hard time
1:18:51with a couple parts of your story, but
1:18:54um,
1:18:55>> what parts are you having a hard time
1:18:57with, sir?
1:18:58>> Like I said, you know, Drake Row,
1:18:59there's awful long time to be there. And
1:19:01then again, it's so difficult for me to
1:19:04understand you looking over and not not
1:19:06seeing anything,
1:19:07>> right?
1:19:08>> You know, so is there anything on your
1:19:11phone um
1:19:13that
1:19:15I should know that shouldn't be there?
1:19:17Is there going to be anything that that
1:19:20I'm not thinking of? No,
1:19:22>> I don't think so.
1:19:23>> Okay.
1:19:23>> What do you mean by shouldn't be there?
1:19:25Well, I mean, you're telling me there's
1:19:28text messages, normal text message
1:19:29between you and Mel, you and Bruce,
1:19:31Anna.
1:19:33>> Okay.
1:19:34>> Self-explanatory.
1:19:35>> You'll see our text fight. If you look,
1:19:37you could see the fight. It washed over.
1:19:39You'll see the apologies the next day as
1:19:40well.
1:19:41>> Uhhuh.
1:19:41>> He also gave me a physical apology. Like
1:19:44he walked up and said, "I'm sorry. You
1:19:45know, I drank too much." And all that.
1:19:47>> Uhhuh.
1:19:48>> Like it was resolved the next morning.
1:19:50>> And you guys get along for the most
1:19:52part, right?
1:19:52>> Yeah. He was just, you know, he's losing
1:19:55his job. He got a little bit
1:19:56overwhelmed, he said.
1:19:58>> Okay.
1:19:58>> He drank too much. He insulted me a
1:20:00little bit, but it's water under the
1:20:02bridge. I did drive off to kind of cool
1:20:04down, but that's the only thing I did.
1:20:08>> Okay. All right. Um, let's walk you out.
1:20:12>> Do you have any more questions about my
1:20:13story?
1:20:14>> No.
1:20:16>> Oh, I'm sorry, but
1:20:25Go right to the right.
1:20:35Okay, I'm going to close this door just
1:20:38for another reason, just to uh there's a
1:20:41lot of foot traffic, so
1:20:43>> you're
1:20:44>> you're not in any trouble. You're free
1:20:46to leave and uh we're just here to talk,
1:20:49but
1:20:50>> there's too many people here. Um,
1:20:52>> it seems colder than it was the other
1:20:54day. And
1:20:55>> I'm always cold. That's why I'm wearing
1:20:56this. I came out of nothing. But
1:20:58>> you know, I'm not cold, but in here I'm
1:21:00cold, right?
1:21:01>> It feels like it's colder.
1:21:02>> It does cuz there's a So, if you walk
1:21:04into the bureau, then it opens up after
1:21:06this hallway. Well, the thermostat left.
1:21:09So, I'm always cold. So, I'll set it for
1:21:1370.
1:21:13>> I thought it was just everybody in that
1:21:15living room's like, "Damn, it's
1:21:17>> So, I set it for 72." Then, someone
1:21:18walked by and they knock it back down to
1:21:2065. So, it's constant like back and
1:21:22forth, but I run cold, so I wear a
1:21:24jacket most of the time. But, um, so
1:21:28real quick, you know, again, not any
1:21:29trouble, you know, you're free to go.
1:21:31We're uh we're just going to talk um go
1:21:34over everything, see if we missed
1:21:35anything.
1:21:36If there's something new, we're looking
1:21:39for help from anybody. So, right now, we
1:21:41don't have anything um that is concrete,
1:21:46you know, is the best way to put it. So
1:21:48when we do, you know, we'll tell we'll
1:21:51tell you and the family, you know. So
1:21:55>> um
1:21:55>> but the only thing I could really think
1:21:56of was uh I know it's probably
1:21:59documented, but the other day the guy
1:22:01just walked by. I don't know his little
1:22:04>> orange shirt, white white hair. He just
1:22:06walked out. One of the detectives, I
1:22:08don't know his name. Orange shirt, white
1:22:10hair. He's the one who came for the
1:22:11burglary thing.
1:22:12>> Oh
1:22:12>> yeah. Did
1:22:15that's what it was.
1:22:15>> Mhm. But uh he did the prints and stuff.
1:22:19I know that's probably documented. And
1:22:21then the officers said he went
1:22:23>> Yeah. Well, when this all came out, he's
1:22:25like I was just there.
1:22:27>> I'm sorry. What?
1:22:27>> When this when this happened, he as he
1:22:29mentioned he's was at the house,
1:22:31>> you know, for the the
1:22:35>> I don't understand. Uh when you had me
1:22:37walk back in the living room, I was kind
1:22:39of you you asked if anything was out of
1:22:42place. People are saying the back. Hold
1:22:44on real quick. So, what is what is a
1:22:48living room to you? The room that we're
1:22:50all in. Is that the living room, too?
1:22:52>> To me, that's the family room. The
1:22:54living room is the one with the TV and
1:22:55the side glass door.
1:22:56>> Oh, they have it. They call it stuff
1:22:58different.
1:22:59>> Well, that's where the TV is.
1:23:01>> That's That's how I was growing.
1:23:02>> And what room are we talking about now
1:23:03then? The living room or the family
1:23:04room?
1:23:04>> The living room with the TV in the last
1:23:06sliding door.
1:23:07>> Yeah.
1:23:08>> On the one news report, I don't know,
1:23:10you you didn't say anything that night.
1:23:13Was that door open? Cuz when you asked
1:23:16if anything was out of place, the only
1:23:19thing that I can think of was the door
1:23:20being open.
1:23:21>> Yeah, the sliding glass door was
1:23:22partially open.
1:23:26>> That obviously something that's not
1:23:28normally like that.
1:23:29>> It's It was cold outside.
1:23:31>> How do you guys secure secure it?
1:23:34>> There's a yellow bed and a cane that we
1:23:36put there. Like a little yellow wiffle
1:23:38ball bat. That's what was in there the
1:23:40day uh the robbery thing. A guy tried to
1:23:42get in the house when he was pushing the
1:23:43door. But they put the cane there
1:23:45because with the bat there's like this
1:23:47much wiggle room where you can stick
1:23:48your hand in. But uh with the cane you
1:23:51can extend it.
1:23:52>> So you guys switch from the bat to the
1:23:53cane.
1:23:54>> Yeah.
1:23:54>> Okay.
1:23:55>> But I still like I put the cane up in
1:23:57the middle of the door and I just put
1:23:58the bat at the bottom just to be
1:24:00>> double double lock.
1:24:02>> Yeah. Cuz uh Anna got locked out a while
1:24:05ago. She locked out that door's old. So
1:24:09if you she slams it and when you slam
1:24:11it, the lock will click and it'll get
1:24:14locked out. But the garage door was
1:24:16locked. So she walked in and grabbed
1:24:17like a shovel and broke the whole lock
1:24:19off. That's why we started putting
1:24:21everything in there.
1:24:22>> Okay.
1:24:23>> And there's a new sliding glass door in
1:24:24the thing. They they just haven't
1:24:25replaced it yet, you know, like put it
1:24:27in.
1:24:28>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:24:29>> But Anna broke the lock a while ago. She
1:24:31got locked out and she couldn't get hold
1:24:33of me or anybody to let her in. And you
1:24:36just you just talked about uh or
1:24:37mentioned the attempt to break in at
1:24:42that door. Tell me about that. So,
1:24:45>> uh I was in the kitchen doing dishes cuz
1:24:47I made a big mess feeding the baby.
1:24:49>> Okay.
1:24:50>> Uh I forget what I fed her, but it was
1:24:52something that I had to give her a bath
1:24:53and do dishes.
1:24:54>> That's okay.
1:24:55>> And they were in there. Uh the big dog,
1:24:58the big black dog, I don't know if you
1:24:59met him. He's Joey Big Black. He was
1:25:02laying next to the door to left of the
1:25:04glass door. And the cats, they jump on
1:25:06the they like jump on the door when they
1:25:08want to let in, be let in. They jump on
1:25:10this glass door and it kind of wiggles a
1:25:12little bit. You know, it makes a noise.
1:25:13>> They're outside.
1:25:14>> So I Yeah, they're outside half the time
1:25:16inside. So I just thought it was the
1:25:17cats. And then, you know, it made a big
1:25:19noise and the dog ran over and started
1:25:20barking like crazy. And when I rounded
1:25:22that banister thing, I saw the guy's
1:25:24hand and I realized someone was trying
1:25:26to get in. But Moose, the little dog,
1:25:30imaged himself in the door. By the time
1:25:32I got it open, that person was
1:25:33sprinting.
1:25:34>> Okay. All right. Let me back up. Joey
1:25:37Joey's laying by the door.
1:25:38>> Yeah. He didn't even wake up. He's
1:25:40useless.
1:25:43>> He's old.
1:25:44>> Yeah.
1:25:45>> Um, and then Joey didn't bark. Moose
1:25:50did.
1:25:51>> Yeah. Joey was like a
1:25:53>> Okay. Where did uh
1:25:57>> where did Moose come from? Or was he?
1:25:59>> He follows me around constantly. He was
1:26:01in the kitchen with you.
1:26:03>> Okay.
1:26:03>> And the baby was sitting there with her
1:26:05bottle.
1:26:05>> So M moose starts barking.
1:26:07>> Yeah.
1:26:09>> Okay. Then you went to the door
1:26:10>> and I saw the person's hand. That's it.
1:26:13And it's just a white hairy hand.
1:26:16That's it. When you say is the hand was
1:26:18the hand outside pulling on the door or
1:26:20is it was inside like they were reaching
1:26:22for a lock or something like uh
1:26:26can I use your code? Yeah.
1:26:30Like uh if this is the door here and
1:26:34that's like the top of the silver lock
1:26:35on the sliding door. It was like this
1:26:38and he was pushing it like you know I
1:26:41don't know if he thought he could reach
1:26:42in and flip a lock or something. That's
1:26:44all in the report from the other day
1:26:47in the office.
1:26:49>> What What time did it happen? Do you
1:26:50remember?
1:26:52>> I I've heard about this. I haven't read
1:26:53the report though.
1:26:54>> It's whenever I It was right after I
1:26:56called. It was right before I called.
1:26:58Literally
1:26:59>> like
1:27:00>> you called his like within a minute.
1:27:03>> Yeah, within a minute. Right after he
1:27:04was when I saw him going across the
1:27:06field. That's right when I called. Like
1:27:07I walked back in and grabbed my phone
1:27:09and called. I wouldn't be able to tell
1:27:11you the exact time off the top I had.
1:27:13So, I know he's white. Um,
1:27:16>> you look at him. How old is he or what
1:27:18he look like?
1:27:19>> I just saw his hands and then I saw what
1:27:20he's wearing. He's wearing
1:27:22>> you know the like uh I don't know what
1:27:25they're called. Like the pants where you
1:27:27go running in with like the stripes
1:27:28inside
1:27:30uh that lets I guess. Yeah. But you know
1:27:33the stuff that lets air go through. Is
1:27:35there a word for that?
1:27:36>> Like is that mesh on the side?
1:27:37>> Mesh. Mesh like where the little holes
1:27:39are.
1:27:40>> Yeah. He had those on with the white
1:27:42stripes on the side. Like black with
1:27:44white stripes and
1:27:45>> so match sweatpants
1:27:48that
1:27:48>> Yeah. I don't I don't know what they
1:27:50would be called. I don't
1:27:51>> Yeah, I I but I know what you're saying.
1:27:52I I
1:27:53>> Yeah,
1:27:54>> I mean sweatpants, but I know you mean
1:27:56the little hole like little holes with
1:27:57two white lines of black and then you
1:27:59had a blue Hollister hoodie. It said
1:28:01Hollister and some numbers on it. Um,
1:28:05the sweatpants were what color?
1:28:06>> Black and then white stripes and the
1:28:09it's Hollister and then it was blue and
1:28:11then it had numbers and other stuff
1:28:12written on it. But all I saw was
1:28:14Hollister,
1:28:16you know, like like an arch hollister.
1:28:19>> Blue
1:28:25Hollister hoodie.
1:28:26>> Yes.
1:28:29Um,
1:28:29>> what about facial hair?
1:28:30>> I saw the back of him and his hand. Did
1:28:33he have a hat on?
1:28:34>> His hood hoodie was up.
1:28:36>> I don't know if he had
1:28:37>> Did you see any like hair hanging down?
1:28:39>> No, I saw I saw elbows and ass basically
1:28:43when he saw him across.
1:28:45>> I saw shoes.
1:28:48>> I I couldn't tell you.
1:28:51>> Okay,
1:28:53then that's the that's the only thing
1:28:55that I
1:28:56>> But you don't you don't remember any
1:28:57facial hair or something? Did you just
1:28:59focus?
1:28:59>> I just saw his hand and then Moose was
1:29:01in the door by the time I got the door
1:29:03open.
1:29:03>> So Moose Moose got
1:29:06>> So that how so that that thing's open by
1:29:09the bat? You're saying like
1:29:10>> as much as the bat will let it open,
1:29:12>> right? How many
1:29:13>> I don't know 8 in for moose to get
1:29:16wedged in the door cuz he pushed it.
1:29:19>> Whatever how much that is.
1:29:20>> So Moose is protective.
1:29:22>> He's he's very protective. That's why I
1:29:24was I was worried he would bite you guys
1:29:25when if he went downstairs. I was I
1:29:28tried to warn the people.
1:29:29>> So Moose is trying to get out. Are you
1:29:30holding Moose back?
1:29:32>> No, he got stuck in the door.
1:29:33>> Oh, you got stuck.
1:29:34>> He got stuck. I had to push the door
1:29:36like at an angle. He like with the guy
1:29:38pushing on it at an angle and then we
1:29:40let go. He got stuck like right here.
1:29:41What' he do when Moose came to the door?
1:29:44>> He moved. He went to the right and he
1:29:46dragged there was a you know like the
1:29:50metal dog leashes, the really long ones.
1:29:52Um yeah,
1:29:53>> you hook them to like a tree or
1:29:54whatever. They're hooked up to the
1:29:55bottom steps. Well, Moose, he's an idiot
1:29:58and he runs in between the chairs and
1:30:00the table and then he'll run and drag
1:30:02them all.
1:30:03>> Yeah.
1:30:03>> Well, I think he got stuck cuz I heard a
1:30:05loud noise like right when I tried to
1:30:06open the door and all the chairs were
1:30:08pulled down the steps,
1:30:14>> right? But Moose isn't on the leash.
1:30:17>> No, he wasn't. He was on earlier that
1:30:19day, though.
1:30:20>> Oh, so he knocked all the chairs down
1:30:22earlier saying
1:30:22>> No, he didn't knock all the chairs down.
1:30:24I think the guy dragged him
1:30:26>> Oh,
1:30:26>> down when he like ran. I could be wrong
1:30:29though. Could have been like that.
1:30:32It just sounded
1:30:33>> I wrote that he
1:30:35>> Okay. You heard a loud noise like the
1:30:36furniture get knocked over
1:30:38>> like is he knocking into it?
1:30:39>> I think he pulled it like he got his
1:30:41foot stuck and he pulled it down.
1:30:43>> Oh, like you know I'm trying.
1:30:46>> But it was loud.
1:30:47>> It was loud. Sound like a like just a
1:30:50chair falling over or whatever. But when
1:30:52we looked out there, the chair was like
1:30:54knocked over and around the side like
1:30:56you pulled it. It looked like it it
1:30:57could have been I could be wrong or
1:31:00you know, I'm not trying to
1:31:02>> Okay. do your job.
1:31:03>> No, no. I I I'm just listening. Um,
1:31:13>> this is all that report.
1:31:15>> Yeah. Or whatever. I told the the guy
1:31:18whatever I forget his name already.
1:31:20>> D.
1:31:20>> D. I told him all about it.
1:31:24>> Okay.
1:31:24>> I didn't actually.
1:31:25>> And then did he run across a field? Did
1:31:27he run into the backyard?
1:31:28>> He ran straight back. And if you look
1:31:31from the the glass window, there's like
1:31:33a shed directly behind. And then to the
1:31:35right, there's like a little thicket. He
1:31:37went straight to the shed, like in
1:31:38between the shed and the thicket. And
1:31:39then when he got like
1:31:42>> big bushes and there's like a there's
1:31:44like a little forest kind of thing. I
1:31:45don't know. It wouldn't be called the
1:31:46forest, but there's like bushes and
1:31:49stuff where it sticks out and then you
1:31:50could run around it and that goes
1:31:52wherever. I've never actually been over
1:31:53there, but
1:31:54>> okay.
1:31:54>> It's like bushes where just enough to
1:31:56block the view. And right when he got in
1:31:58between that, he ran to the right and
1:32:00left.
1:32:07>> What do you mean to the right and
1:32:08around?
1:32:11>> Can I draw something on this or
1:32:12>> Yeah.
1:32:17Like the shed is like here and then
1:32:20there's like a thicket or something like
1:32:21you know that goes out like this. I
1:32:24don't know if there's trees or something
1:32:25behind it. But if this is the house like
1:32:28the porch and the house.
1:32:29>> Yeah.
1:32:30>> He went out he went like right in
1:32:33between and then he when he got like up
1:32:35here he went like that
1:32:38>> and then then you lost him.
1:32:39>> Then I lost him.
1:32:40>> Gotcha.
1:32:40>> I don't know.
1:32:42I'm sorry. I thought you meant he ran
1:32:44through there and you said right to the
1:32:45left that threw me out.
1:32:46>> No, they're like close.
1:32:48>> Okay.
1:32:50>> Okay.
1:32:51>> But I'm not like a fast person, you
1:32:53could say. So I'm not going to chase
1:32:54someone who's going to make it across
1:32:55that field before I can even get inside.
1:32:59>> Okay.
1:33:00>> There's no way I would have been able to
1:33:01catch him or anything like that.
1:33:02>> So other other than that, and I know um
1:33:05>> there's another instance before then
1:33:07where two people were at the bottom
1:33:09door.
1:33:09>> Yeah.
1:33:11And they uh
1:33:14they tried to get in pull in.
1:33:16>> They pulled the door when I went to
1:33:17Moose. This is when he was really
1:33:19little, like when we just got him and he
1:33:22was like at the door, you know, making
1:33:23noise and nobody I thought he could go
1:33:25to the potty, you know, and he's finally
1:33:26being a good dog and had to go to the
1:33:28potty. So I open the door and there's a
1:33:31curtain downstairs that goes like this
1:33:33high to the door. Not like this high,
1:33:36like you know, like waist height. So you
1:33:38can't see like this. I just reached
1:33:40through the underneath the curtain. It
1:33:42unlocked and then they pulled it, but
1:33:43there's a thing down there we put in the
1:33:45door, too. So, it went like that. And
1:33:46then I went like this and I was like,
1:33:47"What the hell?" And then there's two
1:33:49people there. And I just slammed it,
1:33:51locked it, and it went upstairs, woke
1:33:54everybody up, and walked out the back
1:33:55door
1:33:56>> on my deck. But by the time we got out
1:33:59there and someone came out, they weren't
1:34:01there.
1:34:04And that that was a police report we
1:34:05filed as well. Okay. Or at least called
1:34:08the police.
1:34:10They came out to the house.
1:34:11>> Yeah, they were looking in the field and
1:34:13everything.
1:34:14>> So, you just you just pulled back the
1:34:16curtain.
1:34:17>> Um,
1:34:17>> yeah, cuz I didn't know why the door
1:34:19opened. I was like half asleep as well.
1:34:21So, and I'm not going to open the door
1:34:22like two people. It's just me and the
1:34:24dog down there,
1:34:25>> right?
1:34:25>> Especially when he was so little. He was
1:34:27a big dog. Yeah, maybe. Maybe now.
1:34:30>> Yeah.
1:34:31>> Okay.
1:34:32Um,
1:34:35anything else? I know there's another
1:34:36one down in the basement. We talked
1:34:39about that where they're kicking. I
1:34:40think those
1:34:41>> I think those were just kids though. I
1:34:43mean there was a few instances of that.
1:34:46But like you know it never got passed.
1:34:48You know they kicked the door. I saw the
1:34:50one like the one kid was blonde the one
1:34:53that when we actually realized what it
1:34:55was. But that was really long ago. That
1:34:57was when the baby was still before she
1:35:00even got to like her crib like the
1:35:01little bassinet. She was really small
1:35:03then. So maybe like a month or two.
1:35:06>> How old were these? How old were these
1:35:08two guys? White guys
1:35:10>> big. I you know one had facial hair. The
1:35:14other one was too far back. I couldn't
1:35:15see. But the one with facial hair was
1:35:17white and he had like the stubble
1:35:21decent stubble. But he was tall. Really
1:35:24really tall. They were both really tall.
1:35:26That's all I can tell you about it.
1:35:28Okay.
1:35:28>> I'm sure I told gave them a description
1:35:30or anything.
1:35:30>> Yeah. I was pretty long. were obviously
1:35:33aware of these and I had to look at the
1:35:35report because I haven't read them yet,
1:35:36you know. So, um I just wanted to touch
1:35:39on why uh it came up.
1:35:43Um let's just go to the day of again and
1:35:47>> and see if anything uh stands out. Um
1:35:52just start start from the beginning. You
1:35:55know, I I
1:35:56>> I woke up. I know you woke up and uh
1:36:00>> I woke up when I went to work and came
1:36:02upstairs.
1:36:04>> Wait, uh what time did you wake up?
1:36:06>> She went to work I think at like she was
1:36:08leaving the house. She wanted to leave
1:36:09the house at 10:30. She probably left a
1:36:11little bit longer cuz I am hard to get
1:36:12up sometimes.
1:36:14>> So probably I'm going have to say 10:30,
1:36:1610:45 something like that.
1:36:18>> Yeah, that's that's when you woke up.
1:36:21>> Yeah. Okay. I got upstairs and then she
1:36:23left.
1:36:25>> And then what time did Anna leave?
1:36:27sick temporary
1:36:28>> probably around the same. Okay.
1:36:29>> I don't I mean I couldn't tell you
1:36:31exactly. I'm not exact.
1:36:32>> That's right. No, I don't you know if
1:36:34you don't know just tell me you don't
1:36:35know and you know just approximate for
1:36:37approximate times. And who else is home
1:36:40with you?
1:36:41>> Uh just maybe me dogs and cats.
1:36:44>> Okay.
1:36:46>> And then I mean her lunch she had mac
1:36:48and cheese and ham like little ham roll.
1:36:52We leave Aurora.
1:36:54>> Yeah.
1:36:54>> Lunch. Okay. I had some mac and cheese.
1:36:57I ate a sub from the night before, but I
1:36:59ate the rest of with the mac and cheese.
1:37:02>> Okay.
1:37:03>> Got some drinks from downstairs, brought
1:37:05them out.
1:37:06>> What time did you guys eat lunch right
1:37:08away or
1:37:08>> Right when I woke up. I was hungry. That
1:37:11would just be lunch for her. I mean, but
1:37:13that basically would be breakfast for
1:37:15me.
1:37:15>> Okay. So, about 11:00 eat lunch normal
1:37:17time.
1:37:18>> Yeah.
1:37:19>> Okay. Um, after that,
1:37:23uh, just turned on some Barney. I laid
1:37:25down on the couch and I watched Barney
1:37:27with her. He's what we do all the time.
1:37:28>> Yeah.
1:37:29>> Watch Barney and some other little show
1:37:31with cats and dogs being police officers
1:37:34or something like that on that Netflix.
1:37:38>> I don't
1:37:41It does the autoplay after a certain
1:37:42amount of time.
1:37:43>> Yeah.
1:37:44>> I couldn't I mean, they're green and
1:37:47blue dalmation if that helps. I don't
1:37:49know if you would.
1:37:49>> Yeah, I don't know. I've
1:37:51>> heard of Paw Patrol. Um, so you guys
1:37:53watch cartoons and uh
1:37:55>> she loves watching that stuff and she'll
1:37:57sit down on the lap and watch it. She
1:37:59sings along and they're educational. So,
1:38:02>> yeah.
1:38:03>> Uh, she played with I pulled out her
1:38:06seesaw, her push thing,
1:38:09and
1:38:11what else was there? There were a few
1:38:12other toys like her Barney dolls,
1:38:16her kitchen set. I pulled out her box of
1:38:18kitchen set stuff, the metal stuff.
1:38:20>> She's playing, watching TV.
1:38:21>> Yeah. And then Mel came home. I couldn't
1:38:24tell you the exact time she came home. I
1:38:26was kind of just chilling on the couch,
1:38:28playing on my phone, watching her play.
1:38:30>> Do you remember exactly? Not exactly,
1:38:32but kind of an estimate.
1:38:34>> Maybe an hour after that, maybe an hour
1:38:38and a half.
1:38:38>> Maybe. So 12:00, 12:30.
1:38:41>> 12, 12:30, maybe around there.
1:38:43>> Okay.
1:38:44Um,
1:38:47she came home.
1:38:49She said,
1:38:51"Uh, they paid for the wedding cuz I
1:38:54couldn't get all the money together."
1:38:55>> Whose day they
1:38:57Mel Bruce or Mel? I don't know exactly
1:38:59who there.
1:39:02I couldn't get all the money together at
1:39:05the time.
1:39:06>> Okay.
1:39:06>> It was a big stressful thing leading up
1:39:08to that.
1:39:10>> What What happened? What were you
1:39:11supposed to pay part of it? I was I was
1:39:14going to I wanted to pay all of it. I
1:39:15didn't have all the money. I couldn't
1:39:16get all the money.
1:39:17>> How much was the wedding?
1:39:19>> Right.
1:39:20>> I think it was like 6,300 6,400. There's
1:39:23paperwork at the house I can go get if
1:39:25you want.
1:39:27>> Okay.
1:39:31>> All right. And you were supposed to pay.
1:39:33You wanted your paid part?
1:39:34>> I wanted to pay for all of it.
1:39:36>> What happened with that? What do you
1:39:37mean you wanted? What?
1:39:39>> I just wanted to pay for all of it. They
1:39:40offered to a few times, but I didn't
1:39:42want to do it cuz that's just a whole
1:39:44thing. You know, you owe people money
1:39:46and
1:39:46>> Mhm.
1:39:48>> But why? So, what happened that you
1:39:49weren't able to? You said stressful
1:39:51things.
1:39:52>> Well, I didn't have enough in my savings
1:39:54account straight off the bat.
1:39:57>> Yeah.
1:39:57>> So, I was going to go cancel my IRA just
1:40:00to pull it out and then pay the tax at
1:40:01the end of the year since I didn't have
1:40:04since I'm currently unemployed and
1:40:05everything.
1:40:07>> So, you consider pulling your RA, huh?
1:40:09Yeah, and that's what the plan was going
1:40:10to be, but I didn't make it there in
1:40:12time. So, I asked
1:40:14>> What do you mean?
1:40:15>> I didn't get to the place and schedule
1:40:16an appointment in time. I sent I called
1:40:20once and asked what would the
1:40:21repercussions of it would be and
1:40:22everything?
1:40:23>> Yeah. Penalties.
1:40:24>> Yeah. And they just how much you have in
1:40:26your
1:40:27>> uh $5,000.
1:40:29>> Okay.
1:40:30>> Not that much. Not as much as I should
1:40:32basically.
1:40:33>> So,
1:40:35you decide not to do the IRA? No, I was
1:40:37going to I was going to I was going to
1:40:40do it and then just pay the tax later on
1:40:41because I'm
1:40:44>> you know I figure I'll have a job before
1:40:45then.
1:40:46>> So you're going to but um did you miss
1:40:49some deadline or just ran close?
1:40:51>> Just ran too close to the time
1:40:54>> to I helped I helped Dakota move and
1:40:57everything.
1:40:59Did I give you his number? You know you
1:41:01have my phone, don't you?
1:41:03>> Yeah, I have your phone. Yeah,
1:41:05>> his number's in there. You can call him
1:41:07about it.
1:41:08>> I don't know who Dakota is.
1:41:09>> Uh Dakota Sker. He's one of our friends.
1:41:12>> I helped him move.
1:41:13>> What What am I calling him for? Or did
1:41:15you call him?
1:41:16>> If you need to.
1:41:17>> About what? I'm not sure.
1:41:18>> Uh I helped him move before then.
1:41:21>> I helped him move right after there. And
1:41:23then while they were paying with it, I
1:41:25was with him moving and then I got home
1:41:27around 8ish.
1:41:28>> Okay.
1:41:29>> And that's when I got bumped and got
1:41:31this on the way to his house. He has a
1:41:34house, you know. Um, you know, when you
1:41:36go to the industrial
1:41:37>> Hold on. I'm having a tough time keeping
1:41:39up with you. Kind of talk too much.
1:41:41>> It's okay. No, I'm listening, but just
1:41:43trying to um You're going to you're
1:41:46going to do it, but I got too close to
1:41:47the wedding.
1:41:48>> No, I got I just didn't get there in
1:41:50time. They closed at like 2:30.
1:41:53>> What day are you talking about? Are you
1:41:54talking about Monday?
1:41:56>> No, Sunday. The day before that. The day
1:41:59before she was killed.
1:42:02>> Okay. Yeah. And then you lost me because
1:42:04you jumped from Monday. So I'm just
1:42:06trying to establish a timeline and then
1:42:08you jump back to Sunday. So I mean
1:42:10>> you're going to pull your RA on Sunday.
1:42:13>> Yes.
1:42:14>> And then they closed.
1:42:15>> They weren't open that day, I believe.
1:42:18So I was trying to figure it out how to
1:42:19do it. I was going to ask my mom to get
1:42:22the money out and then we pay it back to
1:42:24>> Where is it? It's just at Scott Trade.
1:42:28>> Okay.
1:42:30>> Yeah.
1:42:31>> Okay. So, you're going to but close on
1:42:34Sunday.
1:42:34>> Yeah.
1:42:36>> Okay. And then you got an accident on
1:42:37Sunday. Is that what you're saying?
1:42:38>> I just got a little bump between going
1:42:41to my house,
1:42:45>> not my house, I'm sorry, Dakota's house
1:42:47on Prospect. I don't know the exact
1:42:49address, but you know the light.
1:42:51>> What uh what's the clar's last name
1:42:52again?
1:42:54>> I I couldn't even tell you how to spell
1:42:56it. I think it's esc.
1:43:01Okay. He's a friend of yours.
1:43:03>> Okay. So, you you got an accident coming
1:43:06from his house?
1:43:07>> Uh going from his old residence to his
1:43:10current residence.
1:43:11>> He's living with his girlfriend or
1:43:13girlfriend's family. I don't I don't
1:43:15know the whole situation with him, but
1:43:18>> going from his old one to his new one.
1:43:20>> Yeah. I don't know. There was another
1:43:22man there. I think it might have been
1:43:23her dad or something helping move him.
1:43:26Like there were two pickup trucks. I had
1:43:27the one pickup truck and he had the
1:43:28other one. We filled stuff in the trucks
1:43:32and we head over. He lives right over in
1:43:34North Royaltton off of Bambau or
1:43:36>> And where did you get in accident then?
1:43:39>> Off of route
1:43:43you need to Okay.
1:43:52>> Bruce, is he allowed to leave or No.
1:43:54>> Oh, yeah. I thought he left.
1:43:56>> No, he's out in the lobby. back.
1:43:59>> No, no, you can go.
1:44:00>> Yeah, sorry. I thought he
1:44:02>> did leave. I thought
1:44:04>> Yeah, but Laura was the only person
1:44:06there.
1:44:09>> Okay. So, where exactly did you get in
1:44:11the accident at?
1:44:12>> Uh, Root Road. There's like a railroad
1:44:14tracks where it goes up and then down.
1:44:16Right past that. The guy was trailing
1:44:18me. And there's
1:44:19>> What city was that in?
1:44:22>> So, his old res. Where's his old
1:44:24residence? Uh, I don't know the exact
1:44:26address, but if you go down Prospect,
1:44:27you know how there's one going to the
1:44:29high school?
1:44:30>> Yeah.
1:44:30>> And then the second line going to the
1:44:32industrial.
1:44:33>> Yeah.
1:44:33>> That driveway right when you hit the
1:44:35light to the left Strongsville.
1:44:37>> Yeah. Right in Strongsville. I just
1:44:38don't know the exact address. Otherwise,
1:44:40I'd give it to you.
1:44:41>> Okay. And so on Root Road,
1:44:45>> I just got bumped in the back of the
1:44:46truck. Just barely.
1:44:48>> You don't know the cross intersection?
1:44:50Root Road and
1:44:52>> No.
1:44:53>> Okay. rough by railroad tracks.
1:44:56>> Yeah. Right over the railroad tracks.
1:44:58And then right after that, the guy came
1:44:59over and gave me a good little bump when
1:45:01I was trying to slow down.
1:45:03And he got out. He was very nice. You
1:45:06know, like I said, I got a hit run not
1:45:08too long ago. I think I might actually
1:45:10have card from that in my wallet right
1:45:12here.
1:45:13>> Did you make a uh Jeff, did you make a a
1:45:16police report for that?
1:45:18>> No, I did not.
1:45:19>> You don't know what city you're in?
1:45:20You're on route row right there. That
1:45:22would I think that would be North Roson.
1:45:24I could be wrong.
1:45:25>> No, not road.
1:45:27>> North Ridgeville.
1:45:29>> North Ridgeville. Yeah.
1:45:31>> I think maybe I mean Royalton's right
1:45:33here. You'd have been going up 82.
1:45:35>> I went up 82 and then to the right on
1:45:37route or whatever. I don't know what
1:45:39city, but the
1:45:40>> Yeah, Ryan's opposite way. So, you're
1:45:41going the other way then right on route.
1:45:43So, be 82 to route. Probably what you
1:45:45did.
1:45:46>> Yeah.
1:45:46>> Yeah.
1:45:47>> But I don't know what city that would
1:45:48be. That's too complicated for
1:45:50>> Yeah, that's all right. Um, but there's
1:45:52no damage to the truck from the looks of
1:45:54it.
1:45:54>> So, you just had a Um, but I mean he had
1:45:57to hit you decently for you to hit your
1:46:01forehead.
1:46:02>> Just barely though. It wasn't like
1:46:04anything bad.
1:46:05>> Okay.
1:46:05>> I mean, he hit me decent, I guess.
1:46:07>> But you uh
1:46:08>> But looking back at the truck, there was
1:46:09no damage and he didn't like I don't
1:46:12want to get insurance fault. It was
1:46:13just, you know,
1:46:14>> so no push part.
1:46:16>> No, it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't
1:46:18a big thing and I didn't want Yeah. No,
1:46:20I'm not saying anything wrong. Just um
1:46:22just a little bump. It wasn't a big
1:46:25thing.
1:46:26>> Would you say just barely hit your head?
1:46:28>> Just barely.
1:46:29>> Okay. No. Um your truck have airbags.
1:46:33Any airbags go off?
1:46:34>> The airbags are off on it.
1:46:37>> Oh, so they didn't go off?
1:46:38>> No.
1:46:40>> There's a
1:46:40>> Did you turn them off?
1:46:41>> They've been off for a very long time.
1:46:44>> Okay. If you look
1:46:46>> Well, in the truck, there's a button on
1:46:47the top.
1:46:48>> Yeah.
1:46:48>> You just turn them off.
1:46:49>> Yeah. Well, and then if you're driving
1:46:50around with Aurora, you can't have it
1:46:51mine any
1:46:53>> Yeah.
1:46:53>> So,
1:46:53>> cuz she can't fit the car seat can't fit
1:46:55in the back seat.
1:46:57>> That's why it's in the front seat.
1:46:59>> Okay.
1:47:00>> Like her whole thing, there's no room
1:47:01for it in the back seat cuz when you put
1:47:03it in it, it like sits up at an angle
1:47:05like this for her to even put the whole
1:47:08seat in there.
1:47:09>> Okay.
1:47:09>> So, she has to sit in the passenger
1:47:10seat.
1:47:11>> Gotcha. All right. Well, that's that's
1:47:13that's Sunday. Let's go back back to
1:47:16>> Where was I?
1:47:18You said Mel came home at 12:00 12:30
1:47:21approximately
1:47:23and um
1:47:24>> we were going to we were going to all
1:47:27meet for lunch.
1:47:29No, not lunch, dinner. And we were going
1:47:31to
1:47:33go to Applebee's. And then we were all
1:47:36meeting there. All me, Mel, Bruce,
1:47:41Anna's going to be serving us. Kyle's
1:47:43going to be there. And then she asked if
1:47:46my mom could be there because I talked
1:47:48about trying to get them all together.
1:47:49>> Did you see Megan?
1:47:51>> No, Megan. I think Megan was at school.
1:47:53>> Was she
1:47:55Mel?
1:47:55>> She was there the night before for a
1:47:57bit, but I only talked to her for a
1:47:59minute.
1:48:00>> Pretty sure she left that early.
1:48:02>> And your mom?
1:48:03>> I was going to try and get my mom over.
1:48:05Yes.
1:48:06>> And
1:48:09this Are you telling me this is a
1:48:10conversation you're having while Mel's
1:48:12home? No, this was all stuff we talked
1:48:14about the night before. But then she
1:48:17said she didn't want to do it. She had
1:48:18other stuff to do. And then she said she
1:48:20was going to the doctor for something
1:48:21with her foot.
1:48:22>> When When did Mel cancel on you?
1:48:25>> Right when she walked in the door, she's
1:48:26like, "Hey,
1:48:28I have other stuff to do today. We're
1:48:30not going to dinner." And I was like,
1:48:32"Okay,
1:48:33>> okay. Whatever."
1:48:34>> And you let your mom know?
1:48:36>> No, you just I was going to surprise my
1:48:38mom and pick her up because it's hard to
1:48:40get a hold of her with stuff. surprise.
1:48:44What do you mean? No. Cancelled. So, you
1:48:46still got to go to dinner with her?
1:48:47>> I was going to go to dinner either way
1:48:49to see Anna with the baby
1:48:51>> with your mom.
1:48:52>> No, with the baby. I I wasn't even going
1:48:54to pick up my mom if she if she's not
1:48:56going my mills.
1:48:58>> Yeah. So, that's why I asked you, did
1:49:00you call your mom and tell her that
1:49:01we're not meeting? And you said, "No,
1:49:02I'm going to
1:49:03>> No, I was going to surprise my mother
1:49:05with the whole thing. She gets home
1:49:07right at like 5:30. I was going to go
1:49:09over there, pick her up, and then come
1:49:11back. But since you cancelled, I just
1:49:13didn't see any need.
1:49:15>> Okay. So, your mom doesn't know about
1:49:16this meeting.
1:49:18>> No,
1:49:20no. I mean, she might have, unless I
1:49:22messaged it on the phone. Is that a
1:49:24problem or
1:49:27>> No, no, Jeff. No, you
1:49:29>> I'm sorry.
1:49:30>> Yeah. You're
1:49:32just just trying to be on the same page
1:49:34with you. You know when you said you're
1:49:35going to meet and your mom and then then
1:49:37you said Mel canceled. I understand that
1:49:40and then I that's I asked did you tell
1:49:41your mom that was cancelled? You then
1:49:43you just wanted to know I was going to
1:49:44surprise her.
1:49:45>> No, I was going to surprise
1:49:46>> She doesn't know about the dinner.
1:49:48>> No, but I did ask her for money. I
1:49:51didn't tell her about the dinner because
1:49:52I wanted them to get together cuz every
1:49:54time I try to get them together, one
1:49:56party or the other party either has
1:49:57stuff.
1:49:58>> So you're going to show up there to get
1:50:00money from her and then say, "Hey, we're
1:50:01going to dinner."
1:50:02>> Mhm.
1:50:02>> Okay. And are you borrowing money for
1:50:04the wedding?
1:50:06>> I was going to borrow a little bit of
1:50:07money from my mother. Yes.
1:50:08>> How much did you need to borrow from
1:50:09her?
1:50:09>> 1,600. But it was never like confirmed
1:50:12confirmed with her.
1:50:14>> And where is that number? 16. And then
1:50:18is that what you were going to give um
1:50:20Mel and Bruce?
1:50:21>> Yeah. I was with the RA cancel with the
1:50:251600. Yes.
1:50:26>> That would more than pay for the wedding
1:50:28>> cuz I paid for some of the down
1:50:30payments. She paid for some of them and
1:50:31then
1:50:33You know, it's kind of like half and
1:50:34half kind of deal.
1:50:36>> Okay.
1:50:38>> I'm sorry if I'm being
1:50:40>> confusing. I'm trying. It makes sense in
1:50:41my head the way I'm saying it, but
1:50:43>> yeah, I'm on the same page now. Um,
1:50:46okay. So, she didn't know about it.
1:50:56>> Okay. Okay. So, you're you're she is she
1:50:59expecting you to come over and borrow
1:51:01this money that she knew that part?
1:51:03>> Mhm.
1:51:04>> Okay.
1:51:08>> And she was also expecting me to drop
1:51:10the truck off as well cuz I was going to
1:51:12go get the laser. I have a vehicle laser
1:51:15is what I normally drive. It's under my
1:51:16mother's name, but this is what my main
1:51:19vehicle is is what I got wrong.
1:51:22>> Okay.
1:51:24I I'm pretty sure I told you about that
1:51:26last night or not last night. Whenever
1:51:28it was last year.
1:51:29>> Yeah. Okay. You're Okay, we're on the
1:51:32same page. Your mom doesn't know about
1:51:33it, but you're going to go there.
1:51:34>> She doesn't know about the dinner, but
1:51:35she
1:51:36>> You're going to come over. Um did you
1:51:38have a time that Did you tell her just
1:51:39after her work or did you guys set up a
1:51:42time?
1:51:42>> Just after her work when she gets home,
1:51:43which is normally 5:30.
1:51:45>> Um this is when we were going to dinner.
1:51:48>> Okay.
1:51:50And then
1:51:53that obviously um
1:51:55>> did not go.
1:51:58>> Yeah. Mel canceled. She's got doctors.
1:52:01>> She said something about her foot. I
1:52:03forget what it was. She she explained it
1:52:05more in the text message.
1:52:08>> Okay.
1:52:08>> But you have those.
1:52:09>> Okay. So that the dinner plans go out
1:52:12the tubes down the tubes.
1:52:14>> Mhm. So,
1:52:16um Mel comes home and then you guys just
1:52:20you the baby and Mel and then
1:52:25do you leave first? Does Mel leave first
1:52:27or
1:52:28>> uh she goes to the doctor for her foot?
1:52:32>> And what time did she leave at?
1:52:34>> Not long after she got there, maybe 30
1:52:38minutes.
1:52:39>> You know, she said that to me and she
1:52:40went upstairs and she changed. She was
1:52:42wearing a a pink shirt and then she
1:52:45changed into a green shirt. I don't know
1:52:47if she changed pants or anything like
1:52:48that. I just remember the difference of
1:52:50color.
1:52:52And then uh
1:52:53>> Okay. Um
1:52:57Okay. So, she leaves uh
1:53:00say 1:00.
1:53:02>> Probably say that. Yeah,
1:53:04>> probably. Yeah, I would have to say
1:53:06around that time. I can't I mean, when
1:53:09I'm around the house, I don't really
1:53:10worry about time. I mean, we just know
1:53:12it was shortly after she wasn't home a
1:53:13long time.
1:53:14>> I know that's bad that you know you need
1:53:16exact times, but I can't
1:53:17>> No, don't get the wrong impression,
1:53:19Jeff. I'm not looking for exact times.
1:53:21Um, you know, when you when you say it
1:53:23was a short time later and I don't know
1:53:24what short time is to you, but you say
1:53:26about 30 minutes, I understand that and
1:53:28that's that's you don't
1:53:29>> I'm not I'm not looking down to the
1:53:31minute.
1:53:31>> I'm just apolog
1:53:33I sometimes get reactive, I guess.
1:53:36>> No, you're you're a little more focused
1:53:38than uh Bruce. He's a little crazier
1:53:41right now.
1:53:41>> Bruce uh has a lot on his mind and uh so
1:53:45I listen a lot. Okay. So she left um and
1:53:49then what time do you leave?
1:53:51>> Um Kyle got home at like 2:58 2:5
1:53:55something like that. You know, a little
1:53:56bit before 3 when he's supposed to. At
1:53:59least one on paper when he's supposed
1:54:00to. They're always very early.
1:54:02>> Yep.
1:54:02>> Like uh you know, some there's not many
1:54:04special needs kids and that's the only
1:54:06people that ride the bus. So sometimes
1:54:07they're really early, sometimes they're
1:54:08not as early. It all depends on the day.
1:54:10>> I understand.
1:54:11>> Uh he I walked out, he was there. Uh
1:54:16they were already there. Like you know,
1:54:17they pulled up and opened the door. So I
1:54:18was probably like maybe a minute or two
1:54:20late.
1:54:20>> Yeah.
1:54:21>> Uh he ran in. It took him a minute to
1:54:23get him inside. It was raining and I
1:54:25guess he was having fun kicking puddles
1:54:26or whatever. Like to run around the
1:54:28driveway. Got him inside. He ran
1:54:30straight up and then
1:54:33>> What do you mean he went straight up? He
1:54:34>> He goes straight upstairs.
1:54:37What does he do up there?
1:54:39>> He just kind of does his own thing, you
1:54:41know. He listens to his iPad. Uh Kyle
1:54:45kind of, not to be rude or anything, but
1:54:48he does touch his uh general area a lot.
1:54:51>> Okay.
1:54:52>> He goes up there and does like lays
1:54:54down.
1:54:54>> He always does that, huh?
1:54:56>> Yeah. I don't think he knows that's bad
1:54:58or anything.
1:54:58>> No,
1:55:01>> but he he normally runs straight
1:55:02upstairs and goes to sleep. Sometimes if
1:55:05he's awake or hungry, he'll come
1:55:07downstairs and, you know, rub his tummy
1:55:08or tell I don't know sign language and
1:55:10all that.
1:55:12>> You know,
1:55:12>> I know. Thank you. And I know if he rubs
1:55:14his tummy, he's hungry.
1:55:15>> Okay.
1:55:16>> But
1:55:17>> um and then
1:55:21is Mel home yet when Kyle comes home?
1:55:24>> Oh yeah, she she pulls in right a little
1:55:26bit after the bus comes goes away.
1:55:29when she was pulling in when I walked
1:55:31back in, grabbed the bag and the baby
1:55:32and I she walked in the door when I was
1:55:35walking out the door basically.
1:55:37>> Okay.
1:55:39She's home a few minutes of us.
1:55:40>> Yeah.
1:55:42>> Okay. And you left right away.
1:55:44>> I left pretty Yeah, literally as soon as
1:55:48I got the bag and the baby in the car.
1:55:52>> Okay, gotcha. And then um
1:55:56and then
1:55:59what happens? Where do you go?
1:56:00>> Um I'm driving to Genie's. I was talking
1:56:02to Jeie on the phone and texting her
1:56:04about stuff
1:56:07earlier that day, but I was going to go
1:56:10head over there. I was going to replace
1:56:12lights and everything, but it was
1:56:13raining, so I wasn't like entirely sure
1:56:16what I was going to do. I was at least
1:56:17going to get the rundown for another
1:56:18day. But what I will do,
1:56:20>> she wanted me to rake up leaves. She's
1:56:21got some big trees in her backyard and
1:56:23everything.
1:56:24>> Uh, I gave you her full name and
1:56:26everything the other night. I've been
1:56:29doing stuff like that. Me and my father
1:56:30have been helping her out ever since her
1:56:31husband died last year. The year before.
1:56:34>> No, she's a she's a friend, but you call
1:56:36her aunt and uncle, right?
1:56:37>> Oh, no. She's she's like a cousin. Like
1:56:39a second cousin.
1:56:40>> Okay.
1:56:40>> Or something like that.
1:56:41>> What you call her aunt?
1:56:42>> Yeah. Like related, but yeah, we call
1:56:44her aunt.
1:56:44>> Yep.
1:56:46>> I think technically she's my father's
1:56:47cousin.
1:56:48>> Yeah. And to me, I don't know what that
1:56:49would be. She's older, so call her aunt.
1:56:51Yeah, do the same thing.
1:56:53>> Um, and then what route do you take to
1:56:56get to Jeanie? Where is Genie's on?
1:56:59>> Uh, Abigail Lane, right off of A2.
1:57:02>> Yeah,
1:57:02>> I don't know the actual streets, but
1:57:04when you go down, there's
1:57:05>> That's Crystal Creek where you uh cut in
1:57:09there to get to her house.
1:57:10>> Yeah.
1:57:11>> I'm not honestly the best with the
1:57:13streets in Stronghold, but uh
1:57:14>> I'm terrible with names and times and
1:57:16like that, but I didn't even I tried to
1:57:18call up here. It took me forever to even
1:57:19find your extension and everything.
1:57:21>> Oh, that's all right.
1:57:22>> Um,
1:57:22>> and so what route do you take to to get
1:57:25there again?
1:57:25>> Just straight down Blazing Star, left on
1:57:27Golden.
1:57:28>> Uh, left on Hal, left on Drake. Straight
1:57:32down Drake. The car was being sluggish
1:57:34the whole way down Drake. You know, it's
1:57:36an old truck. It's broken down a few
1:57:37times. I just figured something was
1:57:40going wrong with it, but you know, it
1:57:42stops. Luckily, I kind of got over a
1:57:45little bit.
1:57:46>> Yeah, you pulled over. Yeah, I got over
1:57:49a little bit. I could see you guys.
1:57:51>> Are you like Are you in the road at all
1:57:53or did you get all the way over?
1:57:54>> I was in the road. I can't get all the
1:57:56way over like in the tree line or
1:57:58anything cuz there's those ditches.
1:58:00>> Are did the truck stop on you before you
1:58:03get all the way over or there's not
1:58:04enough room?
1:58:04>> There's Wasn't enough room to get like
1:58:06all the way over? I was going to try and
1:58:07pull in a street or something, but just
1:58:10the truck dies.
1:58:11>> Yeah,
1:58:13it's like gas.
1:58:14>> Part of your truck's actually in the
1:58:15street. Yeah, I was in the street. Most
1:58:18of it was I had a little bit over it
1:58:19like on the gravel part of the thing,
1:58:23but cars were trying to get past me and
1:58:24everything. It was raining. I couldn't I
1:58:27did not know where my phone was. I
1:58:28didn't know if I left it or
1:58:30>> Mhm.
1:58:30>> Like I said, I don't know if you even
1:58:32looked in the truck, but there's that,
1:58:34you know, you sit here, there's that big
1:58:36hole where the seat belt goes and falls
1:58:38down there. When it falls down there, it
1:58:40slides back. So, reach in there and find
1:58:42it. I haven't, but I mean I I know what
1:58:44you're talking about when things fall
1:58:45and they
1:58:46>> you know, I looked in the car a whole
1:58:47bunch, but you know, finally started
1:58:49contemplating, you know, what the I got
1:58:51to do.
1:58:53>> Did Did you um
1:58:56You couldn't find your phone. Did you
1:58:57Did you remember taking it with you from
1:58:59the house or
1:59:00>> I normally don't walk outside without
1:59:01it? Wallet and keys,
1:59:03>> but you know, sometimes I do. You know,
1:59:05if I don't know where it is, I'll like I
1:59:08I throw diaper bag, you know, I throw as
1:59:11long as I know where it is in my head
1:59:12and I have access to it, it's okay.
1:59:14>> Okay. So, you break down and you're not
1:59:16sure where your phone's at.
1:59:17>> I wasn't sure. I was looking in the car
1:59:19trying to get a hold of someone. I was
1:59:20going to call Genie cuz she was like the
1:59:21only one that could help, basically.
1:59:23>> Yeah.
1:59:24>> And then I was going to call my dad. The
1:59:26plan was I was going to go to Genies and
1:59:27go see my dad, but never got that way
1:59:29cuz I was so late to get to Genie's. I
1:59:31finally did get to Genie and trying to
1:59:33figure out where Mel was and everything.
1:59:34Now, when we talked, you said a good
1:59:36Samaritan came by.
1:59:37>> Yes.
1:59:38>> Okay. Older.
1:59:39>> How How long were you there till he
1:59:41came?
1:59:42>> Cuz I mean, now it's just a little after
1:59:44three.
1:59:45>> Not too long.
1:59:46>> How long did you have to wait?
1:59:48>> Maybe maybe 30 minutes. Like around that
1:59:52until he came,
1:59:55>> you know. I was Can you Who came to you?
1:59:58Who was it?
2:00:00>> Just an older man and asked if I needed
2:00:01help and I said yes, I needed help.
2:00:04an old guy. He had a red Buick.
2:00:07>> Red Buick.
2:00:08>> Yeah.
2:00:08>> Okay.
2:00:11>> Um, so who did he pull behind you?
2:00:14>> He pulled right behind me. You know, I
2:00:16had hazards on and everything.
2:00:18>> He walked up to the window.
2:00:20>> Okay.
2:00:21>> I just opened the door and talked to
2:00:23him.
2:00:23>> All right. Then what did you uh
2:00:25>> I said I I ran out of gas. I didn't even
2:00:27realize, you know, he talked to me for a
2:00:30second. He asked if I wanted to if he
2:00:32could go fill up the tanks and
2:00:33everything cuz he saw I had the baby.
2:00:35>> Okay.
2:00:35>> And I gave him $10 to put in there. Gave
2:00:39him one of the tanks. I figured the
2:00:40worst case is he's got to steal, you
2:00:42know, my 10 bucks and tank and that'll
2:00:43be the end of it. Whatever. He came
2:00:46back, thank God. And just hand
2:00:50>> Are the tanks are they are they the
2:00:51same? Are they the same? What do they
2:00:52look like?
2:00:53>> Five gallon tanks. You know, like you go
2:00:54to the gas station same tanks. We took
2:00:57one of them. Uh, no. They're not the
2:00:58exact same model. Like the exact same
2:01:00kind, if that's what you're talking
2:01:01about. They're the same carry. Like they
2:01:04hold the same mount.
2:01:05>> Okay.
2:01:05>> One is
2:01:06>> You know which one he took?
2:01:08>> Yeah, the the one with the yellow
2:01:10nozzle. The all red one.
2:01:12>> Oh, it's red.
2:01:13>> Yeah, they're both red, but uh there's
2:01:15one with a yellow nozzle and a black
2:01:16top. And then there's another one with a
2:01:18black and red uh nozzle and a black top.
2:01:21And the other one's like more square.
2:01:23>> Okay. And how long does it take him to
2:01:26get there and get back?
2:01:27>> Not too long. Like
2:01:28>> I remember you saying you could see
2:01:30Gecko.
2:01:30>> I could see the corner of the sign. So I
2:01:32was thinking like in my head, you know,
2:01:34if I have to stay here too much longer,
2:01:36if I can't find the phone, I'll I'll go
2:01:38get an umbrella out of the back of the
2:01:39car and, you know, hold the baby like
2:01:41this and hold the can like this and just
2:01:42walk and then walk back. That That's
2:01:44what I was trying to think. But with
2:01:46cars going around me and, you know, it
2:01:48raining like that and the baby getting
2:01:50upset that she wasn't moving.
2:01:52>> Yeah. Yeah. It was just all kind of like
2:01:53what am I going to do? What am I going
2:01:54to do? I wasn't thinking that well, I
2:01:57guess.
2:01:58>> Um, and how long did it take him to get
2:01:59back?
2:02:00>> I honestly couldn't tell you. I was more
2:02:02relieved that someone actually stopped.
2:02:04>> Wasn't long, though.
2:02:05>> No, it was not long.
2:02:06>> Okay. All right.
2:02:08>> And then that was like nearly all the
2:02:10cash I had on me. I think I had like
2:02:12five a five. And then I reached in the
2:02:14cup holder and grabbed some change.
2:02:17And then Anna's one friend Daryl was at
2:02:18the counter.
2:02:19>> You had a $5 bill on you?
2:02:20>> Yeah. Okay.
2:02:22>> After that, I gave him 10. I don't know
2:02:24if he, you know, put it all in, but
2:02:26whatever. I didn't care.
2:02:28>> And then, um,
2:02:30>> so after he Do you fill up the gas or
2:02:33does he fill up your gas for you?
2:02:34>> He put it in the tank.
2:02:36>> Oh, he did.
2:02:37>> Okay.
2:02:37>> Yeah.
2:02:39You poured I didn't I told him not to
2:02:41pour all of it in cuz I was going to go
2:02:43up to the thing. He was very nice. You
2:02:46know, old man wearing tweed glasses,
2:02:48little floppy hat, like the golf hat.
2:02:50Okay. They seem nice.
2:02:54>> What would you say for the golf hat?
2:02:56>> Yeah. Like, you know, you look on the
2:02:58the golf shows and they got the I don't
2:03:00know what they're talking about.
2:03:01>> Yeah. Like a fedora. Not a fedora, but
2:03:03like, you know, the flat version of a
2:03:05fedora where it like
2:03:07>> doesn't cover your ears. It's just like
2:03:08the the hair. It's basically it holds
2:03:10your hair up or whatever.
2:03:11>> Yeah. Yeah.
2:03:12>> No, I'm not trying to be undescriptive
2:03:14or anything.
2:03:15>> No, it's not. You look like a like a
2:03:16professor almost like you know you know
2:03:18how you imagine a college professor in
2:03:20your head.
2:03:21>> Okay.
2:03:22>> So you got you got to find some change
2:03:23and you go fill up.
2:03:25>> I pulled in to one of the pumps on the
2:03:29left and I couldn't say which one.
2:03:31Walked in her friend Daryl there. I kind
2:03:34of know him. Not really. I met him a few
2:03:35times during high school. I said hi to
2:03:36him. Gave him the money. Whatever.
2:03:39>> He works there.
2:03:40>> Yeah. He works at the she always goes up
2:03:42there. And
2:03:44>> that's Anna's friend.
2:03:45>> Yeah. She always buys like our lemonade
2:03:48from him and everything.
2:03:51>> So he actually served you or
2:03:53>> Yeah.
2:03:53>> Yeah. R you out?
2:03:55>> Yeah. Right me out or at least I don't
2:03:57know.
2:03:59>> Okay.
2:04:00>> We don't know we know each other know
2:04:02each other but you know we recognize
2:04:03each other and you said hi Jeff. He
2:04:06knows my name and stuff. I'm not friends
2:04:07friends but
2:04:08>> but you know just your name and who you
2:04:10are.
2:04:10>> Yeah.
2:04:11>> Okay. Okay. So, you get uh five bucks in
2:04:14gas.
2:04:14>> It's like Yeah, it was like $6 and like
2:04:17a quarter or two, maybe.
2:04:18>> And you said you you said you told the
2:04:20guy not to put all the gas in there.
2:04:21>> Yeah.
2:04:22>> Okay.
2:04:22>> Just cuz I had a little bit of cash on
2:04:24me and I figured I didn't know how much
2:04:26I would be driving around.
2:04:28>> Okay.
2:04:29>> I just wanted enough to get to the gas
2:04:30station, put two gallons in, you know,
2:04:32that'll get me should get me to Genies
2:04:34and back at that point.
2:04:35>> Yep. All right. Um and then you go to
2:04:39Genies, then you go up. Then I got my
2:04:41phone out of the bag first.
2:04:42>> While you're at the While I was at the
2:04:44gas station. Yes.
2:04:45>> Okay.
2:04:47>> Because I wanted to figure out if I
2:04:48needed to go back to the house or not.
2:04:54>> Okay.
2:04:57>> All right. And um
2:05:00you went uh
2:05:05to Drake and then up Pearl.
2:05:07>> Not up Pearl. I went down prospects. I
2:05:09hate going down purple.
2:05:12I always get stuck at all the lights and
2:05:14the traffic.
2:05:17>> Okay. To pass back and then to where?
2:05:20>> Uh down 82 all the way up and then right
2:05:23on whatever that street is and then
2:05:24right on Nigel and then left into her
2:05:26driveway.
2:05:28>> Prospect 82. Okay. And then uh just you
2:05:32and your aunt.
2:05:33>> Mhm.
2:05:33>> Okay. And your baby?
2:05:36>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to leave her out.
2:05:38>> No, you're fine.
2:05:39>> But um and then do you do any yard work
2:05:41over there? Do you do anything?
2:05:43>> No, it was raining too much. I walked in
2:05:45with the baby and then uh said hi to her
2:05:47little dog in the garage while she was
2:05:48there
2:05:49>> just visiting.
2:05:50>> Well, yeah. At that point, yeah, I asked
2:05:52her to on the phone when I talked to her
2:05:54right before then, I asked her to bring
2:05:55in one of the like lantern things, I
2:05:57don't know, lights that she had
2:05:59>> so I could take a look at it to see if I
2:06:01need to get like extra cord or whatever,
2:06:03you know, but there's a good foot of
2:06:04cord in there, so it was perfect. Okay.
2:06:07Um, and then how long do you stay there?
2:06:10You stay there until you go to
2:06:11Applebee's.
2:06:13>> I stayed there for a bit. And I didn't
2:06:15go straight to Applebee's. I went back
2:06:17home to change cuz I was covered in
2:06:19rain.
2:06:20>> Okay. Um, how long were you at your
2:06:22hands?
2:06:23>> I couldn't tell you exactly, but I did
2:06:25call my father while I was there, and
2:06:27then I called him right when I left.
2:06:29It'll be on my phone like around the
2:06:31exact time I was there. I was there for
2:06:33a decent bit. I sat down and I had a
2:06:35bowl of soup with her
2:06:39>> and then I called her. I called my dad
2:06:42cuz she didn't know my dad was in the
2:06:43hospital for his hand. He has a hand
2:06:44infection that was in.
2:06:45>> Okay.
2:06:46>> So I told her about that and she didn't
2:06:48know but her daughter knew. I guess
2:06:50you're not allowed to if you work at the
2:06:51hospital you're not allowed to tell
2:06:52other people if someone's hippop.
2:06:54>> Yeah.
2:06:55>> So you then you then you went back uh
2:06:58back home to
2:07:00>> Yeah. You could you could call her up as
2:07:02well and ask. I was covered in water.
2:07:05Like I was drenched.
2:07:08From what?
2:07:11From when I got out of the car. I mean,
2:07:12it was all raining
2:07:15just from going to the truck. It was
2:07:16raining. From when I got Kyle off the
2:07:18bus, then getting out of her car,
2:07:20getting out of my car, and going in the
2:07:22house. I was drenched.
2:07:24>> Okay.
2:07:25>> It was raining like crazy that day. I
2:07:27don't know if you were outside or not.
2:07:28Um, you have it rained. I don't know how
2:07:31hard it was or soft. Um, so you went
2:07:32back home uh
2:07:35>> and
2:07:35>> I don't know if I
2:07:36>> went back inside or what did you do?
2:07:38>> No, I couldn't get back inside. That's
2:07:40when I was texting and telling them,
2:07:43hey, you know, we need keys and
2:07:45everything.
2:07:46>> So, this this key, the key thing is
2:07:50going to make a life of its own cuz
2:07:51everybody has different keys. So, it's
2:07:53>> we all had the same there's a whole
2:07:56story to this. I'm sorry. I I without
2:07:58going into it, I mean I know things were
2:08:00lost or stolen and everybody has
2:08:02different keys. We just leave it at
2:08:03that,
2:08:04>> right?
2:08:04>> Yeah.
2:08:05>> What key do let's just put let's just
2:08:06keep it very simple. What key do you
2:08:09have
2:08:09>> at the at that point in time? I had no
2:08:12key at all. Why you never have keys?
2:08:15>> No, I had keys to the garage and then I
2:08:18had keys to the original front door, but
2:08:20then she changed it and then she changed
2:08:22it again.
2:08:23>> Those are two separate locks, right?
2:08:26Yeah, they're two separate locks right
2:08:27now. The only person who had a key to
2:08:29the deadbolt was Melinda and then she
2:08:32had a spare key. I don't know if she
2:08:34gave to Bruce or Megan or whatever.
2:08:36We're not supposed to lock the bottom
2:08:38lock. That's a no no. Like no one can
2:08:40get into that one. And uh
2:08:44>> Okay.
2:08:44>> The garage door, like if you open the
2:08:46garage door.
2:08:46>> So, how do you So, if you don't have a
2:08:48key, you just get in through the garage.
2:08:50>> Mhm.
2:08:51>> I get in through the garage, which did
2:08:52not open. And then I knocked on the door
2:08:54a few times.
2:08:55But in my head, I didn't think she was
2:08:57there because she didn't have the van. I
2:08:59didn't realize she had the other car.
2:09:02She normally always drives the van. I
2:09:03thought I figured Megan, you know, she
2:09:05was home that night. I I figured she
2:09:06went to the airport.
2:09:08>> What car is in the driveway when you get
2:09:10there? What cars?
2:09:11>> Uh the red one.
2:09:17>> And does everybody park in the um
2:09:19>> like the same spots
2:09:20>> in the driveway? You guys got your
2:09:22assigned like spots? Yeah, I normally
2:09:24park to the far right because if Anna
2:09:25parks over there or anybody else, they
2:09:27don't like going near the edge, but I
2:09:28don't care if I fall over the edge,
2:09:30especially when I'm in the truck.
2:09:31>> Okay. And where does Mel park? To the
2:09:33left.
2:09:33>> She normally parks to the far left
2:09:35unless uh Megan parks there or someone
2:09:37else beats her there,
2:09:40but she's normally in the far left or
2:09:41middle and then Anna normally parks
2:09:43behind me.
2:09:46>> Um, and what car was Mel driving that
2:09:49day?
2:09:50>> Uh, I didn't know it at the time, but
2:09:51she was driving the red car. Okay.
2:09:55>> I just, you know, I didn't put two and
2:09:57two together for the longest time.
2:09:59>> And why didn't you know she had the
2:10:01right car?
2:10:02>> I was sleeping when they did the whole
2:10:03car switch. I only learned about this
2:10:05after the fact. He broke down somewhere
2:10:08that morning. The night before, someone
2:10:11put uh nails in his tires. He pulled the
2:10:13tire inside and we looked at it. But
2:10:15there are two nails in his tires the
2:10:18night before.
2:10:19>> She normally drives what? She normally
2:10:20drives the big minivan that Megan had
2:10:25>> and Megan was there that night and then
2:10:27but
2:10:27>> her car was there. So I just figured
2:10:29>> but when she came home
2:10:32>> I didn't physically
2:10:34>> walk right but you she walked in you
2:10:37walked out you saw the red car.
2:10:40>> I don't know. I just didn't think about
2:10:42it I guess.
2:10:44>> Okay.
2:10:46Sorry if that
2:10:48>> I don't really, you know, if it doesn't
2:10:50really concern me, I don't really care
2:10:51to be honest.
2:10:53Sometimes it's just like, you know, I
2:10:55don't want to stress about it.
2:10:57>> Yeah. Okay.
2:11:02>> You see the red car, but you didn't
2:11:04think twice of it.
2:11:05>> Yeah. It's just if it was a car I didn't
2:11:07recognize, I probably would have said
2:11:08something, but
2:11:09>> Okay.
2:11:10>> In my head, I was thinking Megan's not
2:11:12home. You know, the red car is here. She
2:11:14probably went to the airport for
2:11:15something. She goes to California every
2:11:17once in a while,
2:11:19you know. That's probably what I was
2:11:21thinking. She goes to California every
2:11:22couple of weeks for something with her
2:11:24job.
2:11:26But whenever she does, they
2:11:27>> Have you had a problem getting in the
2:11:28garage before?
2:11:30>> Uh yeah, when they changed the code a
2:11:33while ago cuz they when stuff was still
2:11:35going missing, they were afraid someone
2:11:36knew the code from
2:11:37>> When When did you guys change the code?
2:11:40>> Probably six months ago. They didn't
2:11:42tell me at first. So, I that was the
2:11:44only time I really had a problem getting
2:11:45a garage.
2:11:46>> Okay. But once you knew the code,
2:11:47>> once I knew the code, yeah, it was
2:11:49nothing.
2:11:50>> Okay. And why do you why don't you think
2:11:52it open this time?
2:11:53>> I I don't know. I tried a whole bunch of
2:11:55times and it sounded like the motor was
2:11:56working, but it just wouldn't lift open.
2:11:58>> Well, you could hear the motor.
2:12:00>> Yeah. Like you could hear it if you put
2:12:02your ear against it, but
2:12:04>> So, I didn't change. I ended up going
2:12:06straight to Apple.
2:12:07>> Yeah. So, the the codes it's reaching
2:12:09it, you know, but
2:12:11>> Yeah. See the motors broke.
2:12:13>> And then Scott said he had to fix it.
2:12:15The uncle
2:12:18cuz he got it open, but he said it only
2:12:20opened halfway.
2:12:22>> I don't know if that's anything when
2:12:25they were going to the house. I haven't
2:12:26been in the house yet.
2:12:28>> Okay. He said it only happened open
2:12:30halfway.
2:12:31>> Yeah. I mean, he took his toolbox over
2:12:33there and he said he got it closed, but
2:12:35I don't know what he did to do it.
2:12:37>> Yeah,
2:12:38>> you could ask.
2:12:40Um, okay. And then where do you go uh
2:12:43after that?
2:12:43>> Straight down, please.
2:12:53>> And which way do you take to get there?
2:12:56>> Um, Blazing Star, Golden Star, straight
2:12:59down how
2:13:06did you pull in off the how? Did you
2:13:07wish you entrance off the how?
2:13:10>> Uh, I went down. I skipped the I don't
2:13:12like going to the left entrance right
2:13:14there. I went around
2:13:17>> to which one
2:13:18>> to just around all the way to the one by
2:13:20the
2:13:22There's a meat thing there now. A
2:13:24restaurant where the old Chinese used to
2:13:26be. Does that make sense?
2:13:29>> Are you saying hot 82?
2:13:31>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry.
2:13:35>> By the rail. Is that what it's called?
2:13:37>> Yeah.
2:13:38>> Yeah.
2:13:41>> But I told the officers at the site that
2:13:44I couldn't get in the house earlier.
2:13:46>> They're asking me out. I was trying to
2:13:47get in everything. I don't know his
2:13:48name. They're really tall.
2:13:50>> Okay. And what time did you get the
2:13:52apple juice?
2:13:53>> I couldn't tell you. I'm sure they have
2:13:54cameras or something.
2:13:57>> Okay.
2:13:58>> Actually, you know what? I texted Anna
2:13:59here on my phone.
2:14:02That'll tell you the exact time. my
2:14:05testing manicure right there.
2:14:06>> Okay.
2:14:07>> Right when I uh like walked in,
2:14:09physically walked in because I didn't
2:14:10see her because I was going to wave her
2:14:12over to have her sit there. I had to ask
2:14:14the little blonde girl to sit me in an
2:14:16section.
2:14:17>> Okay.
2:14:17>> I don't know.
2:14:18>> Um and then Bruce arrives how much how
2:14:22long after you?
2:14:24>> Maybe 30 40 minutes. I called him a few
2:14:26times. He was at the wreck.
2:14:29Uh, you say he was hopping in the sauna
2:14:32or happened in a thing or whatever.
2:14:34Something. He was happening something to
2:14:37>> When when were you calling Bruce?
2:14:39>> Like
2:14:39>> when Yeah. When did you start calling
2:14:41him to uh meet there?
2:14:43>> Uh I was the one who told him to meet
2:14:45here. Anna called him when we were
2:14:47trying to figure out what was going on
2:14:48cuz he I called him to talk to him about
2:14:50something else. I forget.
2:14:53But he said I'm meeting I was meeting
2:14:55Mel at brew kettle and then he said he
2:14:56was at Walmart. He was talking about
2:14:58Kyle's underwear. There's a sale in
2:14:59underwear.
2:15:01And uh
2:15:03then we all start trying to figure out
2:15:05where she was.
2:15:06>> When did you start calling Bruce? Like
2:15:08at what point through all this?
2:15:12>> I don't know. I don't think I could
2:15:14really tell you.
2:15:16My phone won't tell you the time stamp.
2:15:19I don't I can't remember what I was
2:15:21doing.
2:15:23Oh, you know what? I called him.
2:15:27I You know what? I think I might have
2:15:28called him at Genies
2:15:30maybe. Yeah, I sent him at No, I called
2:15:33him at Genies or I called him when I was
2:15:34leaving Genies or
2:15:37I can't remember. I'm sorry.
2:15:40>> Do you guys Do you guys usually call or
2:15:41text each other?
2:15:43>> To be honest, me and him don't normally
2:15:45call or text. Only like when we have to.
2:15:48I'm not trying to
2:15:50>> be mean to your father.
2:15:52>> Yeah. Be mean or try and make it sound
2:15:54like a it's a bad relationship or
2:15:55anything. It's not. It's just we don't
2:15:58normally talk that much to be honest uh
2:16:01with you.
2:16:04God
2:16:04>> Okay.
2:16:07Bruce your chairs.
2:16:08>> Oh yeah. You got your
2:16:11>> So Bruce uh rides 30 40 minutes
2:16:13afterwards and you got all your food.
2:16:16>> I ordered an appetizer.
2:16:18>> Okay, Bruce. And then um what happens at
2:16:20dinner? You guys, what do you guys talk
2:16:21about?
2:16:23>> Uh where's Melissa? We were talking
2:16:24about the tire in for the longest time.
2:16:28We every once in a while when we do
2:16:29talk, especially when stuff goes like
2:16:30this, we always try and figure out like,
2:16:32you know, we basically try and be our
2:16:34own detectives and try and figure out
2:16:36what's going on.
2:16:38I I was talking I thought it was Ronnie
2:16:41us and all that cuz whenever the keys go
2:16:43off, his lights on in the garage and
2:16:46that's where he goes, hangs out and
2:16:48stuff with his buddies. So that's what I
2:16:50thought. Bruce said no. Melinda said no
2:16:52a whole bunch of times. Who's who's
2:16:54riding?
2:16:55>> Uh, if you're looking at the house next
2:16:56door, neighbor to the left
2:16:58>> and you guys went to your house.
2:17:00>> I thought he would have the one had the
2:17:02keys and everything and might have put
2:17:04underneath the tire. And then there's
2:17:06another guy they had to they don't like
2:17:08or was the guy across the street with a
2:17:10red truck. I don't know why they don't
2:17:12like him though. I couldn't tell you.
2:17:14>> Okay.
2:17:16>> Um,
2:17:17and do you or Bruce get up and go
2:17:21anywhere during dinner? I went to the
2:17:23bathroom.
2:17:24>> You did or he did?
2:17:26>> I did.
2:17:27>> Oh,
2:17:30>> I just had to pee real quick. I'll be
2:17:31back in a minute.
2:17:33>> This is during dinner.
2:17:36>> Well, it's near the end of dinner.
2:17:38>> Okay.
2:17:42>> And did Bruce go anywhere?
2:17:44>> No. He sat with the baby while I went to
2:17:46the bathroom.
2:17:47>> Did he he never left?
2:17:49>> No. Okay. We were there the whole time.
2:17:56>> Okay. And then you guys headed home.
2:18:00>> Mhm. You walked out to the car with me
2:18:01and carried the food out to the car.
2:18:04>> Okay. And did you guys do anything? Just
2:18:06put food in and put the baby back in.
2:18:08>> Put the food in and put a little bit
2:18:09more gas in cuz the gas light popped on.
2:18:13The thing is a guzzler. The only reason
2:18:15we drive it is cuz it's the truck and
2:18:16it's easier to move stuff around.
2:18:20So, you end up uh emptying what uh the
2:18:23good Samaritan.
2:18:24>> Yeah, I didn't put all of it in. I just
2:18:25put like two gallons cuz I was going to
2:18:27use the rest for the lawn mower the next
2:18:28day.
2:18:41>> Okay. Um and then you guys arrive home
2:18:45at the same time. Uh he was like
2:18:49less than a minute ahead of me. Maybe
2:18:50maybe a minute when I was turning on to
2:18:53Golden Star. I saw the little car turn
2:18:56to the right on Blazing Star. Like
2:18:57that's how far we were. And then I
2:19:00waited for a lady to go through the stop
2:19:02sign and then I went through the stop
2:19:03sign and turned to the right. Like we
2:19:05were literally just seconds behind each
2:19:07other, you know?
2:19:08>> Yeah.
2:19:08>> Within sight at least.
2:19:10>> Yeah, understand.
2:19:12And then um
2:19:15and then so what happens when you guys
2:19:17get home?
2:19:18>> Uh he got out of his car first, walked
2:19:20up to the door, was waiting at the door
2:19:22for me cuz I had the keys and gave me
2:19:23the keys that she thought would open the
2:19:25door.
2:19:28They're in the truck, by the way, if you
2:19:30need those. They're in the floorboard.
2:19:32>> Okay. So Anna gives you uh gives you the
2:19:35key so I can persuade you.
2:19:37>> Yeah.
2:19:40Um Yes.
2:19:42And I grabbed the baby and the keys,
2:19:45left the truck on because I didn't know
2:19:46if we would be able to get in or not.
2:19:49But when I got out of the truck and
2:19:50walked around the corner, he said, "Oh,
2:19:52that's her car. She's here." And he
2:19:53knocked a few times. Nobody answered.
2:19:56>> You were trying to do or he was trying
2:19:57to do her.
2:19:57>> He knocked the door. I tried to open the
2:19:59door with the keys.
2:20:03>> And which did it work at all? And any
2:20:05locks or
2:20:06>> They didn't even fit. Like, you know,
2:20:07they go in but they wouldn't turn. I
2:20:10need a lock.
2:20:12>> But she changed Mel changed the key the
2:20:14I showed her how to do the lock the
2:20:16first time and ever since then she
2:20:17changed it a few times by herself. So
2:20:23>> and neither one would turn.
2:20:24>> Neither would turn.
2:20:26>> Okay.
2:20:28You guys are knocking and
2:20:30>> he knocked. I tried the keys and then I
2:20:32was like well what the hell? He said
2:20:34someone was there. He's like her car is
2:20:35here. She's here. The lights are on. So,
2:20:37I hit the doorbell like a lot of times
2:20:40to be annoying. So, someone come open
2:20:42the door.
2:20:43Like, I couldn't tell you an exact
2:20:45number. I just kind of, you know,
2:20:49>> Okay, one second.
2:20:54I'm too big for this.
2:20:56No problem.
2:20:57>> Okay. And then how do you guys get in?
2:20:59>> Uh, Kyle just opened the door.
2:21:02>> And how long did it take him to open the
2:21:04door? Did you come to the door?
2:21:07We heard him like, you know, when Kyle
2:21:09walks down the stairs, he does like one
2:21:10step at a time and he really stomps on
2:21:12the stairs. So, you kind of heard him
2:21:13coming a little bit.
2:21:14>> He came from upstairs.
2:21:15>> That's what it sounded like. I mean, I
2:21:17could be wrong.
2:21:17>> Did you see through the windows?
2:21:20>> No, we were standing right by the double
2:21:21door. To go to the windows, you'd have
2:21:23to walk.
2:21:23>> But it sound like you could hear him
2:21:24coming from up there.
2:21:25>> Yeah, cuz when he comes down the stairs,
2:21:27he kind of does like one step at a time
2:21:28like, you know, like it's real loud.
2:21:32Sounded like he was coming upstairs.
2:21:33Okay. I mean, it's not for certain.
2:21:43>> He goes down a step at a time.
2:21:44>> Yeah. Like slow like I don't think he
2:21:47can go fast.
2:21:52>> And did he Which doors did he have to
2:21:55open up? Which handles? He did lock both
2:21:58of them or both locked.
2:22:01>> Did you see? I don't think the I don't
2:22:04think the top one's locked. I don't
2:22:05think the dead bolt cuz the doorork knob
2:22:07wouldn't turn like at all. Like, you
2:22:09know, like
2:22:09>> on that door, can you Does it Does it
2:22:12have a lock on the inside or can you
2:22:14just turn the handle and open up? You
2:22:16know, if it's locked, you know what I
2:22:17mean?
2:22:18>> I think you could you have to turn the
2:22:19thing first. It doesn't do it that way.
2:22:22>> Okay.
2:22:22>> But Kyle can do that.
2:22:24>> He could do that.
2:22:25>> Yeah, he he can open pill bottles and
2:22:27stuff, too.
2:22:29>> Surprisingly, I didn't think he could.
2:22:32And you know the dead boat was locked.
2:22:34>> I I don't think so.
2:22:37>> I mean maybe
2:22:40you remember
2:22:40>> it sounded like you remember you know it
2:22:42makes a pretty distinct sound like those
2:22:44>> Yeah. It sounded like he just hit the
2:22:45bottom and he hit the handle, you know,
2:22:47like turned the door knob and opened it
2:22:48up.
2:22:49>> Okay.
2:22:50>> Then he opened it up. He goes bruisy,
2:22:52you know, like he normally does
2:22:54>> and nothing seemed wrong. I set the baby
2:22:57down, walked back out, turned the truck
2:22:59off, grabbed the diaper bag and
2:23:01everything and walked in.
2:23:05You know, like we were walking back and
2:23:07he yelled.
2:23:09I ran.
2:23:09>> Were you Were you at your truck when he
2:23:11yelled?
2:23:11>> I was just about, you know, the brick
2:23:14archway. I was like right there about to
2:23:16turn.
2:23:17>> I was trying to rush back cuz I left the
2:23:19door open and the baby was there and it
2:23:20was cold and rainy out. It wasn't really
2:23:22rainy rainy. It was a light sprinkle.
2:23:28And then uh
2:23:30I moved a little bit faster. I was
2:23:32moving faster than like you know normal
2:23:34walking speed
2:23:36because I heard him yell yelled
2:23:38something. I couldn't make it out but
2:23:40the baby wasn't there where I left her.
2:23:42And I kind of went into a little I
2:23:44didn't know where she was. I wanted to
2:23:46know where she was. I went in I looked
2:23:50saw the baby. She was a like just, you
2:23:53know, one part of the chair holding over
2:23:55the where the tile is, the other part on
2:23:57the carpet kind of deal, you know. I
2:23:59don't know if you know baby carriers.
2:24:01>> Yeah.
2:24:02>> Yeah. One
2:24:02>> she's in
2:24:04>> technically she's in the the living
2:24:06room, but technically, you know, half of
2:24:08it's hanging over the kitchen. And she
2:24:11was crying. I picked her up. I turned
2:24:14around and I got a good view with all
2:24:16that.
2:24:18And he was
2:24:18>> You got her eye in the car seat. No, she
2:24:20was still in the car seat. She She
2:24:22didn't get out of the car seat until the
2:24:23officers came and asked if she was okay.
2:24:25>> Oh, I thought you said you got her out.
2:24:27You saw the baby in the living room and
2:24:28I thought you said I thought you just
2:24:29said you got her out.
2:24:29>> No, I got I picked her up and like
2:24:31looked at her and then I turned around
2:24:32and got a good view. I got her out of
2:24:34the house if that's what you're talking
2:24:35about. After I realized what had
2:24:37happened,
2:24:41but we looked at Mel, you know, Bruce
2:24:45was fire you picked her up and then you
2:24:47looked when you saw Mel. That's when I
2:24:49re Yeah. Like, you know, I looked like
2:24:51when I looked, I looked for the baby
2:24:53seat. That's what I wanted. I wanted the
2:24:54baby. I don't like it when Kyle moves
2:24:57the baby. He's hit her a few times. It's
2:24:59kind of scary, but
2:25:01you know, I just wanted the baby.
2:25:03>> How does Kyle move the baby?
2:25:06>> A lot to be honest.
2:25:09>> Do you and Anna
2:25:12yell at him? Well, if he's nice to her
2:25:15and he just picks her up in her chair
2:25:16and sets her in the family room, that's
2:25:17fine and all, but he's a little bit
2:25:20jealous sometimes and like he kicked her
2:25:22once and he smacked her once.
2:25:25>> But that what what kind of yell? What
2:25:28What did you said Bruce yelled like?
2:25:30What did he yell? What did you hear?
2:25:32>> I just heard him like yell like a
2:25:34scream. I couldn't make it out. I was
2:25:36outside. like a scream, you know,
2:25:39yelling like not angry but scream like
2:25:41you scared or angry.
2:25:45>> It was loud and angry like like you
2:25:47yelled at Kyle. That's why I thought
2:25:48something was wrong with the baby when I
2:25:49didn't see her there. And she was
2:25:51crying. I guess the scream woke her up.
2:25:57She's hard to wake up, but if you make
2:25:59enough noise, she won't.
2:26:00>> Okay. So you uh you came in, you kind of
2:26:04fast walk in there because you heard the
2:26:05the scream and then um
2:26:07>> went straight for the baby.
2:26:11>> I literally and you picked her up is
2:26:13when you turned around and saw
2:26:14>> I picked her up, looked at her, just saw
2:26:16that she was crying and upset and
2:26:17turned.
2:26:19Mel's on the ground by the door. Bruce
2:26:22is by her head like you kind of crouched
2:26:24down like a you know like
2:26:26>> Did you like Are you saying like you
2:26:27picked her up like inspected her or
2:26:29>> like like this? So I went like this and
2:26:30I looked. I didn't see anything wrong
2:26:32with her. She was just really upset
2:26:33about something. I'm guessing the screen
2:26:35just woke her up. She was napping in the
2:26:36car.
2:26:38She could fall asleep just from there.
2:26:39That apple piece.
2:26:40>> Okay. So you looked at her and then then
2:26:43what makes you turn around?
2:26:45>> I just turned around to see what the
2:26:46hell was going on.
2:26:47>> Okay. Kyle was standing past her by the
2:26:51TV, like nearly at the TV by the
2:26:53ottoman.
2:26:55>> Isn't that what you call the little
2:26:56thing? Ottoman.
2:27:00Uh the thing in front of a seat
2:27:03>> that opens the footrest.
2:27:05Isn't that what it is?
2:27:07>> Yeah.
2:27:07>> All right.
2:27:10>> Turn around. What did you see when you
2:27:13turn her off?
2:27:14>> Um Mel on the ground. I didn't see the
2:27:15blood at first. I saw Moose by her head.
2:27:17I thought she just like slipped.
2:27:20>> What by her head?
2:27:21>> He was by her head. Bruce was by her
2:27:22head. like he's
2:27:24he's like this
2:27:27like you know like almost a baseball
2:27:28crouch kind of deal like you know catch
2:27:31is he facing you?
2:27:33>> Uh yeah kind of he's more facing the
2:27:36door and her like if I was standing here
2:27:40and uh that was Mel. He was like this
2:27:42looking at her like he was like looking
2:27:44at her head
2:27:49and u I walked over there a little bit
2:27:52closer and I realized I saw the blood.
2:27:57You know I noticed the blood first.
2:27:59>> Not at first like not really like notice
2:28:03noticed it.
2:28:09Right. And when did you notice it?
2:28:11>> When I looked around and got closer to
2:28:14her, like when I took that first couple
2:28:15steps to where the there's three chairs,
2:28:18three metal chairs in the counter. Like
2:28:20when I probably run around and got to
2:28:21the second chair to be honest.
2:28:27>> Okay. And then what did you guys do?
2:28:29>> Uh he was he like reached down and he
2:28:32was like trying to talk to her. Talk to
2:28:34her and then he looked up and he's like,
2:28:35"She's going to attack. She's going to
2:28:36attack." I got Kyle out of there and I
2:28:39picked up, you know, I was holding the
2:28:40baby still, but Yeah.
2:28:43>> there. What did you do?
2:28:44>> I walked over and I grabbed him. He
2:28:46wouldn't he doesn't like listening to
2:28:47me, so I kind of did force him out of
2:28:49there. I grabbed him by his neck and
2:28:51kind of pulled him out cuz I was afraid
2:28:54if someone was in the house or I didn't
2:28:56know what's going on,
2:29:03>> but Bruce was still inside. Uh,
2:29:05>> you went outside first? Yeah, I told him
2:29:07to get his phone. I got Kyle out of
2:29:10there and then I got my phone because he
2:29:11said I couldn't find his phone. I was on
2:29:13my way out and I called and then he was
2:29:17yelling inside. He walked out and
2:29:20screamed, "Who the did this? Who the did
2:29:22this?" And a whole bunch of other stuff.
2:29:25I didn't really get all of it cuz I was
2:29:27trying to talk to the lady.
2:29:28>> You're the first to call 911?
2:29:30>> Uh yes, I believe so.
2:29:33>> Okay. Okay. You I know he walked out on
2:29:34the phone with someone afterwards, but I
2:29:36don't know if he called before me or
2:29:37not.
2:29:38>> Okay.
2:29:38>> Cuz I didn't call till I got Kyle
2:29:40sitting down in the truck and the baby
2:29:41in the truck as well.
2:29:45But I asked, she asked me to ask Kyle if
2:29:47he was okay. You know, like everything
2:29:49that was on the 911 call. I asked if he
2:29:51was okay. He nodded. He didn't say
2:29:54anything. He didn't talk. Um
2:29:58after that, uh Bruce came out. He was
2:30:00yelling on the phone. He's screaming. I
2:30:03didn't get all of it. He's screaming at
2:30:05you guys somewhat.
2:30:08And then
2:30:11I think that I don't know. That's when
2:30:13you guys showed up. I believe you know
2:30:15after that everything else is
2:30:17documented.
2:30:18>> Yeah.
2:30:20>> Um
2:30:39I don't know. Kyle didn't have any blood
2:30:41on him or anything. I don't I didn't see
2:30:43at least.
2:30:45>> Yeah, I see.
2:30:50>> Okay. And then um
2:30:51>> I I I do have a question though.
2:30:53>> Sure.
2:30:54>> I don't know if you're allowed to say
2:30:56this or not. There there's what? There's
2:30:59stuff on the online and everything
2:31:00saying she was shot. There's stuff
2:31:02saying she was just stabbed. Can Can I
2:31:04get an answer on that or is that not
2:31:06allowed?
2:31:07>> Um, right now we're not seeing all that.
2:31:10You know, we have to wait for uh the
2:31:12medical examiner's office to uh give us
2:31:14a report. So, it takes some time.
2:31:19>> I've never seen a I was just confused
2:31:22because I they were reading an article
2:31:24there. I've never seen a gunshot or
2:31:26anything like that when it was like
2:31:29that. My dad shot himself a while ago,
2:31:31but you know, I saw the after. I never
2:31:32really saw the game shot himself
2:31:35>> a couple years ago. Yeah.
2:31:38>> Uh, what do you mean?
2:31:40>> He had an accident while we were living
2:31:42over on Falling Water. He shot himself
2:31:44in it. He like slapped the gun or
2:31:45whatever.
2:31:47>> Wait, say it again.
2:31:48>> Um, this is all This should all be
2:31:50documented as well. Like when my
2:31:52freshman year of high school, we were
2:31:53living in flying one of our apartments.
2:31:55>> Yeah.
2:31:56>> He he like slapped a gun or whatever and
2:31:58shot himself in the face.
2:32:00>> What do you mean slap it?
2:32:01>> I don't know. He has this alarm and he
2:32:03had a gun next to him. I think that's
2:32:04the story. I don't know. I was young at
2:32:06the time. I don't know the full thing,
2:32:07but it should all be documented as well.
2:32:10>> Where did he shoot him? So right in his
2:32:12cheek.
2:32:14Wow.
2:32:14>> I never really got to see the gunshots.
2:32:17I don't know what gunshots really look
2:32:19like.
2:32:21But I it didn't look I'm sorry.
2:32:24>> Now you guys Now you and your dad um you
2:32:27told me that you had gotten
2:32:29>> there were some guns in your car.
2:32:32>> Sorry. No, I'm sorry. No stretching.
2:32:34>> Um
2:32:35>> Yes.
2:32:35>> There were some guns in uh in your car
2:32:38that you had taken inside. You want to
2:32:40drive around with them?
2:32:41>> I didn't want to drive around with them
2:32:42though in case I got pulled over. Yeah.
2:32:43Just just with all the
2:32:44>> Do you guys go shooting a lot or do you
2:32:46guys just
2:32:47>> Not recently. I haven't gone shooting in
2:32:50a month, maybe.
2:32:52>> Where do you got shoot at?
2:32:53>> Uh, he used to work at BNT Range. He's
2:32:55currently not working there anymore, but
2:32:58we used to go there all the time.
2:32:59>> Where where is that at?
2:33:00>> Lurine. There's one in Lurine. And then
2:33:04there's another store right over in
2:33:05Middberg, I think. I don't know the
2:33:08logistics of it and everything.
2:33:09>> I'm sorry. The first city was where?
2:33:11>> Uh, Lorraine is where the actual gun
2:33:13range is. And then I think there's
2:33:14another store right over here in
2:33:16Milbert. If you go to Pearl all the way.
2:33:18Okay.
2:33:20>> I'm not exactly 100% on that, but I know
2:33:23the store the store that we shot at
2:33:25>> Yeah, cuz when we were talking last
2:33:26time, um I'm not a gun guy. You write an
2:33:29awful lot of different guns. Um universe
2:33:31is obviously somewhat
2:33:33>> I'm not the biggest gun guy either. I
2:33:34just know what my dad teaches me.
2:33:36>> Well, he's got Yeah.
2:33:38I don't know. Like he's I've been around
2:33:40him my whole life. It's not the scariest
2:33:42thing, but I haven't. We used to go like
2:33:46every weekend and he had his accident
2:33:48and then we didn't go for the longest
2:33:49time cuz I didn't want to. And I kind of
2:33:52got back into it a little bit cuz he
2:33:53likes to do it and I like to hang out
2:33:55with my dad.
2:33:56>> You you were uh you were a little
2:33:58nervous cuz uh you know we gave you the
2:34:02gun residue test and then you said you
2:34:04had cleared on Saturday or
2:34:06>> I I cleared a gun he had his CCW cuz he
2:34:09went to the hospital. And he said it in
2:34:11his car.
2:34:12>> Yeah, I understand.
2:34:13>> But then they drove the car home and she
2:34:15doesn't know how to do that stuff.
2:34:16>> Yeah. And what hospital is your dad at?
2:34:18>> He was at Southwest for a hand
2:34:20infection.
2:34:22>> And you you cleared it at uh in the
2:34:25parking lot?
2:34:25>> In the parking lot. I made sure no one
2:34:27was around so I didn't get, you know,
2:34:29called on. I just ejected the chamber,
2:34:32got rid of the magazine, put the bullet
2:34:34back in the chamber, not in the chamber,
2:34:36but the magazine and, you know, set it
2:34:38back in its holster and set the magazine
2:34:39next to it.
2:34:40>> Are you sitting in the car?
2:34:41>> Yes, the whole time in the car. I was
2:34:43standing right next to my mother when
2:34:44that happened as well.
2:34:45>> Are you outside of it or standing or in
2:34:47the car?
2:34:48>> Uh, outside of it technically, but I was
2:34:52like, you know, facing
2:34:53>> all the way inside the car. My body. My
2:34:55legs were hanging out. So then
2:34:58>> Oh, you're you're seated by sitting out
2:35:00that way. Okay.
2:35:01>> But I was like this cuz I wasn't getting
2:35:03in the car with my mother. I didn't want
2:35:05to I just wanted to get it done because
2:35:07I didn't want anything to happen. You
2:35:09know,
2:35:12my father's always very safe, but he
2:35:13happened to drive himself to the
2:35:15hospital. So, he set it down there where
2:35:16he knew it would be safe, you know, in
2:35:18his little lock box in the car. But
2:35:20>> yeah,
2:35:21>> if she's going to drive the car, I
2:35:22didn't want it to be there. So, I it was
2:35:24in the bag. She took it inside and put
2:35:26it away. But she doesn't know how to do
2:35:28any of that.
2:35:29>> Yeah.
2:35:30>> So, I didn't want, you know, her to try
2:35:32and figure it out. And
2:35:32>> And then the guns were the the bag of
2:35:36guns.
2:35:36>> It was There was a gun show Saturday,
2:35:40>> right?
2:35:40>> The Bria gun show. We were going to go
2:35:42up there and go sell some of them, try
2:35:44and sell all of them, and then some more
2:35:45stuff.
2:35:46>> And you're in his car though, right?
2:35:47>> That was in the truck. That's the car we
2:35:50would have taken to go there.
2:35:51>> The truck that was at your house.
2:35:53>> The truck that you guys towed away.
2:35:54Correct.
2:35:54>> Okay. And then you just end up keeping
2:35:56him and taking him inside?
2:35:58>> Yes.
2:35:58>> Okay.
2:35:59>> I just he went there. He went to the
2:36:02hospital and they were in the truck. I
2:36:04didn't know at first, but you know, when
2:36:05I saw him, I realized that, you know, he
2:36:07must have slipped his mind. Didn't think
2:36:09anything of it. Just took him right
2:36:10inside.
2:36:12>> Okay. And the one you cleared, did uh
2:36:13you just clear it, make a save, and let
2:36:15your mom take that car?
2:36:16>> What?
2:36:16>> The one that you cleared?
2:36:18>> Yeah.
2:36:18>> Did you just leave it in that car?
2:36:21>> I put it back. He has a duffel bag with
2:36:22a little like u you know like a three
2:36:24code lock box.
2:36:25>> He put it in that with this holster.
2:36:28>> Yeah.
2:36:28>> I opened up the lock box, ejected the
2:36:31magazine, cleared the round out of the
2:36:32chamber, left the slide open and put it
2:36:34back in the holster.
2:36:35>> Yeah. Put it back. So it was still in
2:36:37that car.
2:36:38>> It was until she got home. She just
2:36:40drove straight home and took it out and
2:36:42put it in the bedroom.
2:36:42>> You understand? And then
2:36:43>> cuz that lady rides around in that
2:36:45>> the other the other bag was in the truck
2:36:47and then you
2:36:47>> The other bag was in the truck and I
2:36:49didn't know at first. which I knew when
2:36:50I got home, but then when I went to go
2:36:52leave, I went out and put it downstairs.
2:36:55>> Yeah.
2:36:56>> I didn't think anything of it at the
2:36:57time.
2:36:57>> Do you know any of those? Are you
2:36:59familiar with any of those guns? Do have
2:37:00you guys shot those are those guns
2:37:02you're going to sell?
2:37:03>> Those are guns he was going to sell. So,
2:37:05they would not have been shot anytime
2:37:06recently.
2:37:09Long long time. I know the one.
2:37:11>> Have you ever shot any of those?
2:37:13>> I
2:37:13>> Not those ones.
2:37:15>> No.
2:37:17Um,
2:37:19>> no. Uh, I think the last thing I shot
2:37:21was a Glock 40 9 mm.
2:37:24>> And besides your dad's guns, you don't
2:37:25got You guys don't have any weapons at
2:37:27that house.
2:37:28>> No, no,
2:37:28>> no, no. I mean, besides like, you know,
2:37:32I guess kitchen knives or pocket knives.
2:37:33I always normally have a pocket knife on
2:37:35me. I know you guys walk down there. You
2:37:38saw I have a whole bunch flying around
2:37:39down there. I always pick up one. I
2:37:41normally carry the red utility one so I
2:37:43can skin wires or something if I need
2:37:45to.
2:37:45>> Mhm. And we do haul a lot of stuff in
2:37:47there and use it to cut the, you know,
2:37:48like the twine you get at Home Depot. We
2:37:50got a whole bunch in the truck in case
2:37:51we need to haul anything.
2:37:53>> Okay.
2:37:54>> But we, you know, nothing
2:37:58um nothing for bad just, you know, for
2:38:00utility.
2:38:04Um you know, so back to hopefully, you
2:38:07know, you guys helping us. Um,
2:38:10>> and you could,
2:38:10>> you know, do you you can't think of
2:38:12anybody, I mean, besides the people
2:38:13trying to break in the house, is there
2:38:15anything else that sticks out that we
2:38:16should know?
2:38:17>> I know they were fighting with uh their
2:38:19one friend Mark, the Mark Serner, but I
2:38:21know he's told you about him, so I
2:38:23really feel a need.
2:38:25>> Bruce really hates the guy. It sounds
2:38:27like they I mean, I only heard half of
2:38:29it. I've heard more about it since
2:38:31>> because it's, you know, I would never
2:38:32say this to Bruce, but it was such a a
2:38:35violent
2:38:38uh scene and violent death. You know, it
2:38:41takes somebody
2:38:43um evil, you know, to do it. So,
2:38:47>> I don't understand anybody,
2:38:49>> you know, that almost rules out a young
2:38:5112-year-old kid from, you know,
2:38:53Strongsville kicking your door. So that
2:38:55kind of goes out, you know, but
2:38:57>> I doubt a 12-year-old child could even
2:39:00do that to somebody. Melinda was, you
2:39:02know, she's strong. She played soccer,
2:39:04>> right?
2:39:05>> She's kicked me in the leg before and it
2:39:06hurt.
2:39:07>> Yeah.
2:39:08>> Like, you know, when we were camping,
2:39:09she kicked me as a joke and it hurt. It
2:39:12left a mark.
2:39:13>> Yeah. Um, you know, so to think of to
2:39:17think of somebody who,
2:39:19you know, is evil enough to do it, it's
2:39:24who could do something like that.
2:39:26>> I mean, anybody who knew her. I mean,
2:39:28she's a grace person. Like, you know,
2:39:30granted, you know,
2:39:34everyone has arguments. Everyone, Me and
2:39:36Bruce had an argument the other day. We
2:39:37were cool the next day.
2:39:38>> But I don't get how anyone would be able
2:39:40to do that.
2:39:43Yeah, you don't you don't see that.
2:39:45>> I've never seen anything like that.
2:39:48>> It's rare when it's that when it's that
2:39:50brutal and she's that brutally attacked.
2:39:55>> She was wellliked. She was always
2:39:56talking to people on Facebook. Wherever
2:39:58we went to dinner, there was always
2:40:00someone there, you know, oh, hey Melinda
2:40:02or you know, I haven't even been a part
2:40:04of not even really a part of the family
2:40:06that long. And you know, people and she
2:40:08took you in.
2:40:09>> Yeah. Youider consider her mom.
2:40:12Yeah. I mean, I never called her mom,
2:40:14but she basically was. She helped me
2:40:16with a lot of stuff. She, you know, she
2:40:19she's great with Aurora. Aurora loves
2:40:21her. Sometimes we can't get Aurora to
2:40:23sleep. We just, you know, she'll text
2:40:24down, "Hey,
2:40:26>> bring her up." And she walks up and
2:40:28she's out in 5 minutes. She's got that
2:40:29magic baby touch.
2:40:31>> Yeah. So, now Aurora is going to grow up
2:40:33without a baby, without a grandma.
2:40:36Um,
2:40:39but it's I don't know why anybody would
2:40:41do that. I mean, she's she's well loved.
2:40:43She's she's friendly. She's a teacher.
2:40:47Everybody knows her.
2:40:49>> You know, I asked Bruce the same
2:40:51question, you know, as a family. Um,
2:40:55what would you guys as a family like to
2:40:57see to somebody that if we were able to
2:41:00find somebody?
2:41:02Um, what kind of punishment do you think
2:41:05is appropriate?
2:41:07>> Is the death sentence? I don't know what
2:41:10the punishment for.
2:41:11>> Yeah. I don't it
2:41:13>> I don't know what the punishments are
2:41:15for.
2:41:16>> No, you know, no. I mean, I'm talking,
2:41:18you know, not personally. So, yeah. What
2:41:20do you think would happen if you were
2:41:22the judge and jury?
2:41:24>> Well, if I was judge jury, I'd probably
2:41:26go death sentence to be honest.
2:41:29>> Um,
2:41:29>> that's not right. should be allowed to
2:41:31go back out.
2:41:32>> Yeah. And I think that's fair enough.
2:41:34Um, you know, for
2:41:37>> something to be a bad thing to say, is
2:41:39it?
2:41:40>> No, it's just an honest thing, you know,
2:41:42it's just something where I would never
2:41:44be able to do that, but
2:41:48>> Yeah. Um,
2:41:50>> I
2:41:54I don't know.
2:41:56>> Yeah.
2:41:58Okay. Um, well, I'm gonna get you out of
2:42:01here. I appreciate your patience and
2:42:03time. And, uh, like I like I told Bruce
2:42:06and Anna and the family. Uh, we're
2:42:08working on it. Uh, be patient. And, um,
2:42:12>> I do have a question, though. Uh, two
2:42:14questions, actually.
2:42:15>> I know you need the phones and
2:42:16everything. That's that's fine, but uh,
2:42:21can I can I give you this number? This
2:42:22is my central cell phone. I have Yeah, I
2:42:25need a contact number for you. What is
2:42:26it? Uh,
2:42:34And I don't know if you're allowed to.
2:42:36Can you just text me before you call
2:42:38because I I will not pick up any random
2:42:40person?
2:42:41>> I'll leave you a voicemail, but I I
2:42:44don't text, you know, from work, but
2:42:47>> I'll leave you. Can you check your
2:42:48voicemail in it?
2:42:50>> You know,
2:42:50>> I don't know if I can. I'll get the
2:42:52>> I'll be calling from a 580 number, a
2:42:55Strongsville number. So, um, you know,
2:42:59that'll be me. And, uh, you know, and
2:43:02really I I'll always chances are I'm
2:43:05calling you. I'm calling, you know,
2:43:06everybody else in the family. And, um,
2:43:09>> I got freaked out, though. I don't know
2:43:11what you said to Anna, but she's like,
2:43:14"Oh my god, get up to the police
2:43:16station. Call me right now." Or
2:43:18whatever. And I'm like,
2:43:18>> "Yeah." Well, that was
2:43:20>> what funny because I I asked her for you
2:43:23to call me because I knew Bruce was
2:43:25coming up. He didn't.
2:43:26>> Well, they kind of left it a little
2:43:28open-ended, you know, but
2:43:29>> he's just like, I got to go up and talk
2:43:31to him. I was like, okay, well, call me
2:43:32when you guys get back.
2:43:33>> Yeah. And then, you know, they call up
2:43:36there and everybody's here. And I'm
2:43:37like, well, then if you know, like I
2:43:39said,
2:43:41>> that wasn't that wasn't planned to have
2:43:42everybody sit there.
2:43:44>> What she iterated to me was, "Get up
2:43:45here right now. The detective wants
2:43:46you." And I was like, "Holy." And then I
2:43:48got here like 20 minutes before they
2:43:49did. And I'm like, "Where are they?"
2:43:51>> Yeah. Right. Cuz I live right around
2:43:54Fair. I was literally right around the I
2:43:55did speed a little bit to be honest.
2:43:57>> Yeah. No, it's okay.
2:43:58>> Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. They said everybody's
2:44:00here. I'm like, well, that wasn't the
2:44:01plan. You know, I was going to have you
2:44:03coming after them, but Well, I
2:44:05appreciate you coming in and and uh
2:44:08being open and honest with me. And um
2:44:10you know, if we missed anything,
2:44:12>> uh you let me know. And
2:44:14>> she does yell at people all the time in
2:44:16the back. That's one thing that no one
2:44:19ever liked. That's the only thing I
2:44:21>> yell at who? She yells at, you know, if
2:44:24there's people in the back in the park
2:44:26hanging around or anything, she'll go
2:44:27out and yell at them. That's one thing
2:44:30that I did think of. She, you know, it
2:44:32doesn't matter who. I don't know if it's
2:44:34like the teacher or whatever, she'll if
2:44:35she doesn't like what they're doing,
2:44:36she'll go out and yell at them before
2:44:38she calls anybody or does anything like
2:44:40that.
2:44:40>> Yeah.
2:44:41>> Um, with all the stuff happening at the
2:44:44house, you know, I asked Bruce the same
2:44:46and Anna, um, I'm going to assume
2:44:48everybody locks their doors. You guys
2:44:50are keeping your door locked. I like
2:44:52everything. Bruce likes everything. Anna
2:44:55does. U Mel and Megan have the worst uh
2:44:59thing with that.
2:45:00>> Anna, Mel, Megan, solid.
2:45:02>> No, Anna. Anna locks stuff.
2:45:04>> Okay.
2:45:04>> Probably better than I do.
2:45:06>> Okay.
2:45:07>> Cuz I don't really do I do the bottom
2:45:08floor windows. She goes around and locks
2:45:10everything up, Anna. Like the windows,
2:45:12every She closes doors,
2:45:15you know. I just do the basement door,
2:45:17the sliding door, that door, and the
2:45:18bottom.
2:45:19>> Your cars. You guys keeping those
2:45:20locked? Yeah, I know Mel leaves the van
2:45:22open every once in a while, but
2:45:24>> Okay.
2:45:25>> Other than that, I'm pretty sure all the
2:45:26other cars are locked.
2:45:28I always lock mine. I won't leave unless
2:45:30it's locked.
2:45:32>> Your car? Yeah. Yeah. It's It's funny
2:45:34cuz we'll have a theft in Strongsville
2:45:36and from a car unlocked car and they
2:45:38always say, "I don't think this stuff
2:45:39happens in Strongsville."
2:45:41>> Well, I was growing up when I was
2:45:42growing up if you didn't lock the door,
2:45:44you know, you got you got smacked. You
2:45:47know, I grew up in old Brooklyn where
2:45:49robberies did happen and stuff. Never
2:45:51physically happened to us, but
2:45:54I grew up in a house with six dogs. You
2:45:56always kept it locked. You know, no one
2:45:58ever came around, but I was taught to
2:46:00lock doors. I was taught to make sure
2:46:02the car is locked, make sure you got
2:46:03your keys, your everything. Do you um
2:46:07check when you uh when you left um are
2:46:11the dogs able to be free and play and
2:46:15hang out or
2:46:15>> uh Joey Joey was locked in the room cuz
2:46:18he's lately he's having trouble
2:46:20controlling his bladder and
2:46:22>> what room is Joey locked in
2:46:23>> the laundry room? You know how did you
2:46:25lock him in there before he left or
2:46:27>> he was in there but I think if he that
2:46:31door was closed so she had to at least
2:46:32open it or Kyle at least opened it to
2:46:34let him out for him to escape. That's
2:46:36what I thought.
2:46:37>> Okay. But what did you see? Was he
2:46:39locked?
2:46:40>> He was locked up when I locked out and
2:46:41my dog let him run around the basement
2:46:43in case anybody came to the door. I kind
2:46:45of give been giving him a little bit
2:46:46more free room.
2:46:47>> What room is Joey in?
2:46:49>> The laundry room with the washer and
2:46:51dryer.
2:46:51>> Okay.
2:46:52>> And that's when you left. Okay. Yeah.
2:46:54>> And then Moose and Moose in the basement
2:46:59>> because uh ever since the whole
2:47:01>> like Moose scaring away the burglar and
2:47:03Joey not waking up.
2:47:04>> Does Moose come up and hang out with
2:47:05Joey?
2:47:06>> Uh yeah, they hang out. They love
2:47:07playing together.
2:47:09>> Yeah. So Moose is able to come upstairs
2:47:12and and
2:47:13>> Yeah.
2:47:13>> And Okay. And he doesn't have accidents.
2:47:16>> Uh he does every once in a while, but
2:47:17he's he was really good about it this
2:47:18past week. You know, he got real better.
2:47:21He's he'd go to the door and paw at the
2:47:23door whenever he needed to go. You know,
2:47:25we were working with him. He had trouble
2:47:26for a little bit, but then he started
2:47:28getting better and better and better and
2:47:29better and better.
2:47:30>> Yeah. Um
2:47:33>> Okay. So, Moose Moose has free rain and
2:47:35Joey get
2:47:36>> He's free in the basement. I don't let
2:47:38him run around because he chews on the
2:47:40the wooden part of furniture.
2:47:41>> He can't Moose can't come upstairs and
2:47:43and be with Joey.
2:47:45>> Not when no one's home. When someone's
2:47:47home, he's allowed to go anywhere in the
2:47:48house.
2:47:49>> Oh. And then so did you uh so you kept
2:47:51him downstairs when you left?
2:47:53>> Yeah, I put him in the basement.
2:47:54>> You just closed the door.
2:47:54>> He ran to the basement. Yeah, I just
2:47:56closed that top drawer.
2:47:58>> Okay.
2:48:00>> But he never I don't know the lady cop's
2:48:02name that was there. And he might she uh
2:48:05she said that when she went downstairs
2:48:06he was like he didn't even bark. He was
2:48:08hiding in his cage. He never goes in his
2:48:10cage without people like forcing him to
2:48:12go in there.
2:48:15Something had to scare him or
2:48:16>> a lot of people there.
2:48:18Well, even like I brought him when we
2:48:20took him to our family function, he was
2:48:21ready to, you know, he doesn't like new
2:48:23people at first. He's really protective,
2:48:26especially when you're in his area.
2:48:29The basement's kind of his area. So, I
2:48:31was very surprised that he didn't, you
2:48:33know, try and bite you or anything.
2:48:34>> Okay,
2:48:36>> that's another note I wanted to bring
2:48:37up. But he never goes in his cage unless
2:48:39you make him go. That's why I was like,
2:48:41"Holy, he's in this cage."
2:48:44That's why I thought he was hurt and
2:48:46everything when we walked down and I
2:48:47checked him.
2:48:49Um, last thing I you said you had
2:48:52changed clothes at some point during the
2:48:54day.
2:48:54>> Uh, yeah. Like when I
2:48:58before I was going to leave, I took it
2:49:00the clothes that were right at the
2:49:01bottom of the steps on that box. It was
2:49:02a it was a gray shirt that was a little
2:49:05bit ripped. It's just the shirt I sleep
2:49:06in most days. And then just a pair of
2:49:08sweatpants.
2:49:09>> Okay.
2:49:10>> They were all there. You know,
2:49:12those I was still wearing the same socks
2:49:14when you guys took them.
2:49:16>> Okay.
2:49:17All right. Okay. Let me walk you out.
2:49:20Get you out of here.
2:49:36>> Where does this go in my ass?
2:49:38>> To the hallway. We're walking.
2:49:40>> A little funky set up, but
2:49:41>> I was just the hallway. Yeah.

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