Extended interview: Sabrina Carpenter — Transcript

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1. 0:01How are you feeling these days? What's
2. 0:03your life like?
3. 0:04So sleepy all the time.
4. 0:07I'm I'm sleepy, but I'm also I'm like
5. 0:10energized by
6. 0:12I think this whole last year of my life
7. 0:15has really reminded me that I just love
8. 0:18doing what I'm doing. even even through
9. 0:20the moments that are a little bit um
10. 0:22tiresome or annoying at times, it always
11. 0:25takes me back to like I love being on
12. 0:27stage and singing songs that mean
13. 0:29something to me. So um so yeah, it's
14. 0:32it's just reminded me how special all of
15. 0:34this is and how I'm lucky to do it.
16. 0:35Are you able in this moment to step back
17. 0:39and appreciate all of it or is it just
18. 0:42moving so fast? I can appreciate
19. 0:45like a small percentage of it right now,
20. 0:47but no. I mean, anytime someone's like,
21. 0:49"Have you celebrated?" I'm like, "No,
22. 0:51maybe when I'm dead." I don't know. Like
23. 0:52I I just right now I've I've really been
24. 0:55so excited about what I'm making that I
25. 0:58want to continue making things. And that
26. 1:00requires a lot of focus and dedication.
27. 1:02And I'm I'm like I'm kind of captain of
28. 1:05my own ship. No one's like forcing me to
29. 1:07to do all this. It's really just again I
30. 1:09love doing it. But yeah, I think I think
31. 1:11in a couple months I'll be able to look
32. 1:13back on it a little bit easier and be
33. 1:15like, "Wow, that happened." I think
34. 1:17something that was funny the other I I
35. 1:19the Emmys were on and and they said my
36. 1:22name during the intro of the Emmys and I
37. 1:24wasn't like fully understanding what was
38. 1:26happening, but that was like the first
39. 1:28moment in a long time that I was like,
40. 1:29"Wow, I didn't realize like I didn't
41. 1:32realize like what was happening in my
42. 1:33life until I got the little shout out at
43. 1:35the Emmies." You know the intro when
44. 1:37they're like just shouting out random
45. 1:38people? like I wasn't even there. That
46. 1:40was just like a very weird moment to me
47. 1:41where I was like, "Oh, I think really
48. 1:43exciting things are happening because
49. 1:44you're part of the cultural conversation
50. 1:46right now."
51. 1:47I guess it's so it seems at the Emmys.
52. 1:49Yeah. Which is lovely.
53. 1:52Um, I want to talk about the captain of
54. 1:53your own ship thing in a little bit, but
55. 1:55first, and this kind of goes to that,
56. 1:57there was an article written about you
57. 1:59recently where you said Sabrina wasn't
58. 2:01built in a day. And I love that idea.
59. 2:03There are some people out there who
60. 2:05might think you're an overnight success.
61. 2:07and they're still there now watching
62. 2:10this. Yes.
63. 2:12Not true.
64. 2:12No. I think um I think it's very funny
65. 2:15to me. You brought up an interesting
66. 2:18point of the people that have grown up
67. 2:20with me, you know, the people that are
68. 2:21my age or maybe slightly younger than me
69. 2:23or slightly older than me. They really
70. 2:24have have seen kind of my journey from
71. 2:27the beginning. I know people that have
72. 2:28been following me since I was 11 years
73. 2:30old posting covers on YouTube. And then
74. 2:32I've also seen people that have been
75. 2:34following me since I started working on
76. 2:35a TV show. And then post TV show, my
77. 2:38first tour when I was 16. And all the
78. 2:40all the inbetweens, all the festivals
79. 2:43where I was playing a pre-show, not the
80. 2:45main stage, and I was like, I hope one
81. 2:47day I can play that stage. You know,
82. 2:49those things are kind of happening right
83. 2:50now. And yeah, I think I think for the
84. 2:53people that think it's an overnight
85. 2:54thing, they're just not tuned in, but
86. 2:56they just haven't done the research,
87. 2:57which is fine, but maybe they will after
88. 3:00this. Who knows?
89. 3:01Yeah. I mean, truth is, you're 25 years
90. 3:03old and this is your sixth album. Yeah.
91. 3:06How does that even happen?
92. 3:08I used to be upset about that. Like I
93. 3:10used to be upset about having six
94. 3:12albums, especially at the age of 25
95. 3:14because I knew that if I started later,
96. 3:16I creatively would have made very
97. 3:18different choices. But then when I look
98. 3:20at it now and I see how much those those
99. 3:23early albums meant to my fans when I was
100. 3:25younger and I was the same age as them
101. 3:26dealing with those things at that time,
102. 3:28I don't regret it. I mean, maybe I don't
103. 3:30like listening to it, but I don't regret
104. 3:32it. Um, and if anything, it really
105. 3:34inspires me. The fact that I can be
106. 3:37making music for this long and people
107. 3:40are still interested in what I have to
108. 3:41say after all this time. I think um
109. 3:44that's been really special and
110. 3:46rewarding.
111. 3:47Yeah. I mean, it's been what, a decade
112. 3:50now?
113. 3:51Yeah. Um, I don't know. It makes me seem
114. 3:54very old. Um, no. I just I I was just
115. 3:57one of those kids that popped out of the
116. 4:00womb knowing exactly what I wanted to
117. 4:02do. It doesn't mean that it was easy and
118. 4:04it doesn't mean that I knew how I was
119. 4:07going to do it. Uh, I just think that
120. 4:09when things are meant to be, you find
121. 4:12your way there blindly. Like, you don't
122. 4:15need to know how to do it. You will be
123. 4:17guided. Like, you know what I mean? I
124. 4:19think universally I've always I've
125. 4:21always felt like I had that relationship
126. 4:23with myself and with the universe that's
127. 4:25like I just know that this is meant to
128. 4:28be. So it'll happen and I just have to
129. 4:29work really hard until it does and yeah.
130. 4:32So go back. You grew up in Pennsylvania
131. 4:35and started singing just off the bat.
132. 4:38Yeah. I feel like so many people from
133. 4:40Pennsylvania that I like grew up like
134. 4:42idolizing like Christina Aguilera and
135. 4:43Taylor Swift and those were like some of
136. 4:45my first inspirations. They were both
137. 4:46Pennsylvania girls. Um, and so it's
138. 4:48really interesting now I I think of how
139. 4:51much my roots of of my music are are
140. 4:54stemmed from growing up in Pennsylvania.
141. 4:56I always had this like folky element to
142. 4:59the things that I do or just even more
143. 5:00organic to to the way I like to write
144. 5:02songs. Um, so I I grew up in
145. 5:05Pennsylvania, middle of nowhere, like
146. 5:07very much in the middle of the woods and
147. 5:09like we had like four stray cats and um
148. 5:12and I had I have three older sisters and
149. 5:16yeah, we were all kind of like my mom
150. 5:18put us in dance lessons. She was a
151. 5:20dancer. So the idea of performing and
152. 5:23entertaining came at a very young age. I
153. 5:25was probably two in my first dance
154. 5:27lesson. And then when I was six years
155. 5:30old, I sang in my first uh talent show
156. 5:33in school. And I sang Part of Your World
157. 5:35by The Little Mermaid in a Mermaid
158. 5:37Outfit, naturally.
159. 5:39Of course. And and from that, like from
160. 5:42that year on, I sang every year at my
161. 5:44talent show and just kind of became
162. 5:46known in my school as the the Little
163. 5:47Ser. And uh yeah, it was just it was a I
164. 5:52don't know. Again, like I said, it would
165. 5:53be like I'd be in restaurants and I
166. 5:54would be asking to sing people happy
167. 5:56birthday. Like I just wanted a crowd.
168. 5:59Just wanted an audience.
169. 6:00Any chance to sing for an audience.
170. 6:02Yeah.
171. 6:02So when you started posting videos on
172. 6:05YouTube of you singing popular songs,
173. 6:07what were you hoping for? What were you
174. 6:09thinking?
175. 6:10Well, when you're that young, uh I think
176. 6:13you're just fascinated by how you look
177. 6:15in a camera. Like I like genuinely
178. 6:17you're like looking at the camera being
179. 6:19like, "Wow, that's me on it." And it's
180. 6:21like not that crazy. But I think it was
181. 6:24it was that combined with my love of
182. 6:26taking songs that I loved so much and
183. 6:28making them my own. And yeah, my my dad
184. 6:31helped me set up a YouTube account,
185. 6:33which seems like probably scary to
186. 6:36parents watching this, but my parents
187. 6:37were very like, you know, they they
188. 6:39monitored what was going on. I didn't
189. 6:41have like full control at that point.
190. 6:44But I posted uh I kept posting covers
191. 6:46and I kept like just really falling in
192. 6:49love with the idea of sharing art and
193. 6:53and using that to maybe make people
194. 6:56happy. That's all I mean there's so many
195. 6:58clips of me when I was little and you
196. 7:00know my parents would ask me like why
197. 7:01did I do this? I like I just want to
198. 7:03make people happy and I think I always
199. 7:05remind myself of that when I go back to
200. 7:06like why am I doing this still? Um
201. 7:09you think that it's still that? Yeah, I
202. 7:11think I think it's definitely morphed
203. 7:13into other things over the years and I
204. 7:14think now it's it's a personal
205. 7:16relationship with myself and it's also
206. 7:18just like a love for it. Like it's like
207. 7:20a a good book that you can't put down,
208. 7:23you know? You just don't want to put it
209. 7:24down. So that's what I'm doing right
210. 7:26now.
211. 7:27When did you start writing songs?
212. 7:29I started Well, my first song that I
213. 7:31wrote that was very bad was when I was
214. 7:3210 years old and it was called Lights.
215. 7:36It was just about wanting to perform and
216. 7:38uh and be in the lights essentially. So
217. 7:41that was the first concept. And then
218. 7:43from that point on it was really like
219. 7:45again I I would be so inspired by the
220. 7:47music that my mother and my father
221. 7:49raised me on. I'd say more so my mother
222. 7:52my dad was a big Rush fan. My dad did
223. 7:54introduce me to the Beatles and Queen
224. 7:56which I'm so grateful for. My mom loved
225. 7:59Paty Klein and Eda James and Dolly
226. 8:01Parton and Carol King and those are now
227. 8:05really really big influences to me in my
228. 8:07life. So that's when I kind of started
229. 8:10and then I think when I was quite young
230. 8:13it it it took this turn of
231. 8:15I was because I was from Pennsylvania
232. 8:17and my parents had no idea what was what
233. 8:19this world was. There's a lot of people
234. 8:22that will interject and try to take
235. 8:26control of a young impressionable woman
236. 8:29who's figuring out who she is and
237. 8:31telling her what she should look like
238. 8:33and who she should be and how she should
239. 8:35sound. And so when I was around 12 years
240. 8:37old, that was that was something that I
241. 8:39was dealing with and struggling with.
242. 8:41And I knew deep down the kind of songs I
243. 8:43wanted to sing. And um it was it was a
244. 8:45journey. It was a journey of giving a
245. 8:47little and taking a little and then
246. 8:49until then until the point where I I
247. 8:50really started to become the tourist
248. 8:52that I am and really, you know, make
249. 8:54make my voice known in those situations
250. 8:56where maybe when I was younger I would
251. 8:58have been more fearful to stand up and
252. 9:00say exactly what I wanted and make
253. 9:03exactly what I wanted to make.
254. 9:04I mean, Espresso was number one on
255. 9:06Spotify until the song knocked it out,
256. 9:07which was Please, please, please,
257. 9:09another one of your songs.
258. 9:11Yes. which I'm so so happy that I put
259. 9:15out Please use Please at the time that I
260. 9:17did and that it's such a different song,
261. 9:19but they live in the they live in the
262. 9:21same umbrella. They live in the same
263. 9:22universe. I was really excited about
264. 9:24that because I think when I put out
265. 9:25Please, I was so nervous that someone
266. 9:28was going to say, "I don't know who I am
267. 9:29as an artist because sonically, by the
268. 9:31way, one person I'm sure did, but but I
269. 9:34wasn't reading those comments." Um, just
270. 9:36because they're sonically so different.
271. 9:38But if you hear both songs, the
272. 9:40personality is mine. You know what I
273. 9:41mean? And the words and the experiences,
274. 9:43like those are both singular to me. And
275. 9:46that's what glued them together. And
276. 9:48also again, like they both have this
277. 9:51sort of throwback yet modern uh
278. 9:55production to to them in very different
279. 9:57ways. But that was so exciting to me.
280. 10:01And the fact that, you know, when I
281. 10:03wrote Please, Please, please, I was
282. 10:04like, I know this is this is special. I
283. 10:07just don't know
284. 10:09what other people are going to think of
285. 10:10it, but I know it's very special. So, I
286. 10:12was very happy with with the way that it
287. 10:13happened and um glad that I trusted my
288. 10:16gut.
289. 10:17Yeah. Trusting your gut.
290. 10:18Yeah.
291. 10:18So, you mentioned comments. You read the
292. 10:21comments that people write on social
293. 10:22media
294. 10:23sometimes.
295. 10:24Why?
296. 10:25Um to hurt my own feelings. No, I don't
297. 10:27know. I I I've I've actually this has
298. 10:30been such a funny thing to me because
299. 10:31it's like
300. 10:34sometimes it's useless information and
301. 10:36sometimes it's valuable. Sometimes when
302. 10:38I read something mean about myself
303. 10:40that's just so blatantly wrong. I can
304. 10:43almost go, well, they're just so out of
305. 10:45touch. This almost makes me feel a
306. 10:47little bit better about like I don't
307. 10:50know the the fact that I'm not always
308. 10:51right and the fact that I sometimes
309. 10:54misjudge things, you know? It makes me
310. 10:56feel human sometimes when I see how
311. 10:58other people are crazy. So, so sometimes
312. 11:02when I read it, it makes me feel better.
313. 11:03And then other times I read it and it
314. 11:04makes me feel sad and people go, "You
315. 11:06shouldn't read the comments." And I go,
316. 11:07"I'm only human and I'm 25 and I I'm,
317. 11:11you know, I'm I'm I would be lying to
318. 11:15say that I don't care, but at the same
319. 11:19time, I don't think it's ever stopped
320. 11:21me. Like just because I read something
321. 11:24negative that someone says about me and
322. 11:26it hurts my feelings does not mean I
323. 11:28take it to heart and I don't wake up,
324. 11:30you know, motivated the next day to keep
325. 11:33doing what I want to do. It just means
326. 11:34it's like, uh, you know, I want to block
327. 11:37that person, you know, which is fine.
328. 11:40People have that in real life. Like I
329. 11:42think about this people in a in a in
330. 11:45their own work spaces and their own work
331. 11:47environments. You know that there's
332. 11:49people that aren't fans of you and
333. 11:51there's people that are and you still
334. 11:52have to exist in that universe with
335. 11:55people that you get along with and love
336. 11:56you and people that you're not their cup
337. 11:59of tea and that's okay. So this is just
338. 12:01my own version of that. Just like a lot
339. 12:03more people and people that aren't
340. 12:04always super articulate and don't know
341. 12:07how to spell all the time, but it's
342. 12:08okay. Speaking of not know how to not
343. 12:11knowing how to spell, my absolute
344. 12:13favorite line
345. 12:15from Slim Pickins and My
346. 12:18Yes. There, there, and they are.
347. 12:19This boy doesn't even know the
348. 12:20difference between there, there, and
349. 12:21they are
350. 12:22was like, I mean, it it it came out in a
351. 12:26sentence because that's literally what
352. 12:27it is, you know? I have so many
353. 12:30situations. I could pull up all the
354. 12:31receipts right now on my phone and show
355. 12:32them, but I won't do that
356. 12:35where it's like you can't tell me off
357. 12:38and use the wrong form of your it's not
358. 12:41working. I just don't buy it then. You
359. 12:44know,
360. 12:45I want to talk about because you started
361. 12:48at such a young age and I, you know,
362. 12:50we've seen it happen over and over again
363. 12:52where people who start young encounter
364. 12:54pitfalls in their lives and I think it's
365. 12:56a credit to your mom, but I don't want
366. 12:58to take the words out of your mouth.
367. 12:59It's okay.
368. 13:01But I'm curious how how much I don't
369. 13:04know how to phrase it, but how much has
370. 13:05your mom helped to keep you grounded?
371. 13:08I would give credit to I would give
372. 13:11credit to my whole family. I mean, my
373. 13:14sisters are really important in that. My
374. 13:15mother is so important in that. I'm
375. 13:17going give my father a bone as well. Um,
376. 13:20I grew up in a family of of women plus
377. 13:22my father. So, it's just like the the
378. 13:24the feminine powers are so strong. Um,
379. 13:27but truthfully, my mom was so good at
380. 13:33being supportive and being there for me
381. 13:35when I need her, but not being a stage
382. 13:38mom and not being overbearing and not
383. 13:40being you have to do this cuz I want to
384. 13:42live my dreams through you, but more I
385. 13:44just want to see my daughter live her
386. 13:46dreams. And it makes me like emotional
387. 13:49sometimes cuz she's so selfless um and
388. 13:51has been that way her whole life with me
389. 13:53and my sister. So yeah, I'm not going to
390. 13:55cry. I love her so much.
391. 13:57Oh, it's sweet. What do you think is the
392. 13:59best advice she ever gave you?
393. 14:02Um,
394. 14:04well, verbally, I mean, my my mom and
395. 14:07dad always called me Bumblebee growing
396. 14:09up to remind me to be humble. That's
397. 14:11always been my nickname. And no matter
398. 14:13what I do, just remain super humble. And
399. 14:17I think that has kind of spread across a
400. 14:20lot of the things that I do. It's it's
401. 14:22less about always being humble, but more
402. 14:24just about being grounded and knowing
403. 14:26that, you know, not to take everything
404. 14:29so seriously all the time. So, that's
405. 14:31been really helpful.
406. 14:33And then also, I'm like still on like
407. 14:36three sentences ago. Um, that and then
408. 14:40and then just again like the way my mom
409. 14:42is such a my mom's such a positive
410. 14:44person, you know, she has such a great
411. 14:46sense of humor. She loves my little cute
412. 14:49outfits, you know? She doesn't I I don't
413. 14:52think she's ever made me feel like what
414. 14:54I was doing was too much ever. I'm very
415. 14:57grateful to my parents from the time I
416. 14:59was really young and my sisters as well.
417. 15:01Like they never told me to stop singing
418. 15:05when I was like singing around the house
419. 15:07all the time. And it can get annoying
420. 15:08hearing a little kid like repeat the
421. 15:10same part of the song over and over. I
422. 15:11don't know if you've experienced this,
423. 15:13but they never told me to stop singing.
424. 15:15And I think that like psychologically
425. 15:16really probably helped me. Um, so yeah,
426. 15:21love them for that.
427. 15:22Yeah. What's it like to share that? I
428. 15:23mean, you said that was so perfect what
429. 15:25you said that she wasn't trying to live
430. 15:26her dreams through you. She wanted you
431. 15:28to live your dreams.
432. 15:30So, what's it like now that you're
433. 15:32living your dreams?
434. 15:34It's so sweet. I mean, my she it's just
435. 15:37this balance of she's mind blown and
436. 15:41also it's like like what curtains do you
437. 15:45want in your bedroom? You know what I
438. 15:46mean? It's just like it's this it's such
439. 15:49a beautiful like normaly to the fact
440. 15:52that it's like I knew you'd get here.
441. 15:54I'm so proud of you. Let's figure out
442. 15:57like when to set this doctor's
443. 15:59appointment, make sure you're healthy.
444. 16:00Do you know what I mean? So, I think
445. 16:02that's also just like she's still so
446. 16:04great at being a mother, which is really
447. 16:06lovely for me.
448. 16:08Is this what you dreamed of starting
449. 16:12out? What do you when you say this
450. 16:14this what you have now? You're about to
451. 16:17embark on this arena tour. You have the
452. 16:20number one album. Is this what you
453. 16:22dreamed of starting out?
454. 16:24I remember very vividly when I was
455. 16:27around 10 years old.
456. 16:30I saw Miley Cyrus play an arena. She was
457. 16:3316 and I was like, I want to play
458. 16:36arenas. Like that's that's what I want
459. 16:38to do. I want to make music. I want to
460. 16:39play arenas. and and I thought I was
461. 16:41going to do it by 16 and and reality
462. 16:45definitely settled and it took me a
463. 16:47little bit longer, but I'm playing them
464. 16:49now and it's like a little uh it's like
465. 16:52you're talking to your childhood self
466. 16:54and it's it's really sweet what I say.
467. 16:56It's like this is what I dreamed of in
468. 16:59the sense of like um the the numbers are
469. 17:05so cool. I just got here yesterday. Like
470. 17:07when I when I see my name on the charts,
471. 17:09I'm like, I got here on Tuesday. Like
472. 17:11I've not experienced that long enough
473. 17:13for it to really mean something to me
474. 17:15emotionally. Um it's so cool and it's so
475. 17:18lovely for the people that I make my
476. 17:20music with that we can celebrate those
477. 17:22accomplishments. But for me, seeing an
478. 17:24an arena full of people is so rewarding
479. 17:28and just so fun. I can't even express
480. 17:31like the feeling when you get off stage
481. 17:33after that. It's just it's euphoric. So
482. 17:36yeah, I would say that's that's
483. 17:38definitely what I dreamed of as a child.
484. 17:40Well, let me ask you this. What would
485. 17:42you say to that little girl making
486. 17:44YouTube videos?
487. 17:46Don't wear the fedora
488. 17:49when you think you look really cool cuz
489. 17:51I had like so many faces where I just
490. 17:53wore the wrong things. What would I say
491. 17:55to her? I mean, for me, it's it's a
492. 18:00it's so much more than just keep going
493. 18:03because truthfully, there are I can't
494. 18:05sit here and act like there hasn't been
495. 18:06moments that I've just been like
496. 18:10so defeated or so, you know,
497. 18:14felt so not myself. I think it's really
498. 18:17beautiful that all of this is happening
499. 18:18at a moment where I feel like very much
500. 18:20myself and I feel very grateful to the
501. 18:22people that I have around me and my
502. 18:24friends, my family, the people on my
503. 18:26team. Um because that is that is so
504. 18:29exciting to me. Um but yeah, I I think I
505. 18:32would say to her, you know,
506. 18:35be patient, which has always been kind
507. 18:37of the the story for me, just patience
508. 18:39is a virtue.
509. 18:41So,
510. 18:43when you released Emails, you said that
511. 18:46you were in a different place
512. 18:48emotionally than you are now. Can you
513. 18:49explain that? Like, what happened for
514. 18:52that album and this album that's so
515. 18:53different emotionally?
516. 18:55Well, I think um what a lot of people
517. 18:59don't realize is because I was
518. 19:00homeschooled and I was working on a TV
519. 19:02show from a young age, I never went to,
520. 19:05you know, public high school. I didn't
521. 19:07have my heart broken at like a normal
522. 19:10age. Um, my first real heartbreak was
523. 19:13when I was 21. And so it came much
524. 19:15later. And I think that that was such a
525. 19:19like it just felt like my world was
526. 19:21ending every day. I know that people
527. 19:22that have gone through heartbreak know
528. 19:24what that feels like. You just you can't
529. 19:26even look at food without sobbing into
530. 19:27it. It's it's a it's a very formative
531. 19:31experience, but I experienced it a bit
532. 19:32later than I think people probably would
533. 19:34have thought because at that time I I
534. 19:37definitely also I shared elements of my
535. 19:40life, but it wasn't it wasn't to the
536. 19:43degree that I I did in emails I can't
537. 19:45send. In emails I can't send it felt
538. 19:47like it was just like a big old
539. 19:48band-aid, you know? And so I think for
540. 19:51me it was really important to I learned
541. 19:54so much about myself and why I fixate on
542. 19:57people that you know aren't maybe giving
543. 20:00me enough love or people that don't see
544. 20:04my value the way I see theirs. and you
545. 20:07know all of those relationships where
546. 20:10you turn it back on yourself and you try
547. 20:12to make it your own fault before you
548. 20:14realize maybe it's a them problem or
549. 20:16maybe they're experiencing something
550. 20:18that has nothing to do with you. Um and
551. 20:21again and all the like mature headspaces
552. 20:25that you find years down the line still
553. 20:28not there but I think you slowly start
554. 20:31to get to those places where you wish
555. 20:33people well you hope they're okay. You
556. 20:36you you can acknowledge that in a moment
557. 20:39you can be mad and jealous and angry and
558. 20:42bitter and that's real and also get to a
559. 20:44place where you have a a tenderness and
560. 20:48a softness in your heart and you know
561. 20:50you you regret ever being angry or mad
562. 20:52or jealous. It's but you don't get to
563. 20:55see all those parts of a human being
564. 20:57when you're listening to a two and a
565. 20:59half minute song. You get the little
566. 21:01snippets of it. So then when it is
567. 21:03something that the rest of the world
568. 21:04hears and they pick apart, it's very
569. 21:06easy for, you know, people to label it
570. 21:08or label you as one thing. But I'm I'm
571. 21:12really
572. 21:14really happy about the fact that, you
573. 21:16know, songwriting is is my vessel
574. 21:19regardless of if people hear the songs
575. 21:21or not because I'll continue to kind of
576. 21:23work through those emotions and those
577. 21:24feelings and, you know, it just depends
578. 21:27on what mood I'm in that day if I want
579. 21:28if I want to put them out there. But
580. 21:30emails was um was the kind of first time
581. 21:32I felt really like I was able to be so
582. 21:36honest.
583. 21:37Is there ever a part of you that once
584. 21:39you release that into the world,
585. 21:40depending on how people react, you're
586. 21:42like, "No, that's not what I meant."
587. 21:44Of course. Absolutely. And then if I
588. 21:46respond to that tweet or something X, I
589. 21:50don't even know what you call it
590. 21:51anymore. If you respond to that, there's
591. 21:53so many people that misperceive the
592. 21:55response and then it's just like a
593. 21:56never- ending. So sometimes I can't say
594. 22:00I'll never respond to something um just
595. 22:03to give myself grace for the future in
596. 22:06case I lose my mind. But most of the
597. 22:10time it's a little bit easier to just be
598. 22:12like, you know what, let them
599. 22:13misunderstand you. Let them also let
600. 22:16them be a fan of the person they want to
601. 22:18be a fan of because usually the people
602. 22:20that are that are criticizing you,
603. 22:23they're so they support someone else so
604. 22:25much that they want to tear you down to
605. 22:27bring the person they love up and and I
606. 22:29get it and that's fine. And I just hope
607. 22:31that they continue to be a fan of the
608. 22:33people they want to and that they just
609. 22:35let me do what I do and they don't have
610. 22:37to like it. Like I'm more than happy
611. 22:39with with that situation. But I think it
612. 22:42it definitely gets a little um crazy to
613. 22:45remind yourself that sometimes when
614. 22:47you're in the thick of it.
615. 22:48Yeah, I'm sure. But we can peacefully
616. 22:50coexist.
617. 22:51We can peacefully
618. 22:52different fans.
619. 22:53Yeah. All the different fans and know
620. 22:54that there's different artists for
621. 22:55different people in the world. You know,
622. 22:57I I there's so many artists that I grew
623. 22:59up respecting, but I I wasn't a massive
624. 23:01fan of and artists that I would have
625. 23:04like cried and died to be at their
626. 23:06shows. It's just there's it's that
627. 23:08there's different people for everyone.
628. 23:10So, I think we're we're kind of losing a
629. 23:13little bit of that understanding that
630. 23:15we're all here for a reason. There isn't
631. 23:16going to be one. There isn't going to be
632. 23:18one artist. There's always going to be
633. 23:21so many artists doing different things.
634. 23:23And that's how music has always been.
635. 23:26That's how it grows. That's how it gets
636. 23:27better. That's how it gets worse. That's
637. 23:29how it gets better again. It's just it's
638. 23:31a it's an endless cycle, which I'm I'm
639. 23:34happy about because I enjoy listening to
640. 23:36my friends make music. And um And the
641. 23:40fact that I can call them friends now is
642. 23:41also so cool and so special.
643. 23:43Yeah. Speaking of friends who make
644. 23:44music, you were on the ARS tour.
645. 23:47Has Taylor given you advice about how to
646. 23:50handle this kind of crazy level of fame?
647. 23:54I mean, she's you just watch her like
648. 23:57walk in a room and it's it's very easy
649. 24:00to understand that she's just so
650. 24:03she she's so composed, she's graceful,
651. 24:06she's gracious. Um, and yeah, I wouldn't
652. 24:09say it's like a verbal thing as much as
653. 24:11just like she's very supportive of me
654. 24:13and knows who I am as a person and is
655. 24:16very supportive of that. So, I'm I'm I'm
656. 24:18grateful for that. I think like again,
657. 24:20if we're talking about
658. 24:22how to deal with it all, I think
659. 24:24everyone has such an individual unique
660. 24:25experience that there's no kind of
661. 24:29blanket statement or advice on how to
662. 24:32not let it rattle you. you just kind of
663. 24:35have to exist and figure out what you
664. 24:38can handle and what you don't want to
665. 24:40deal with. And again, you
666. 24:43you you just kind of figure it out along
667. 24:45the way. I know that sounds a little
668. 24:46vague, but I I really do think like you
669. 24:49find the people that you surround
670. 24:51yourself with that make you feel safe
671. 24:52and
672. 24:54go from there.
673. 24:56What are you most grateful for?
674. 24:59Oh. Um,
675. 25:03I mean,
676. 25:05so many things. Truly, so many things. I
677. 25:08think if I didn't have laughter and
678. 25:11friendship, I would lose my mind. I've
679. 25:14already lost it, but I I think I would
680. 25:15lose it more. That's such an important
681. 25:17part of all of it to me. Like, if if
682. 25:19there's just a sense of kind of there's
683. 25:21always going to be stress, there's
684. 25:22always going to be anxiety, there's
685. 25:24always going to be drama, I think. But
686. 25:25for me like like being able to laugh
687. 25:28about it, being able to like look at it
688. 25:30and just kind of find the humor in it
689. 25:33and also the love in all of it is really
690. 25:35important. So I would say that and also
691. 25:38caffeine because without caffeine I
692. 25:40wouldn't be doing this interview right
693. 25:42now.
694. 25:43Is it espresso?
695. 25:46You know for me espresso is my lifeline.
696. 25:48What a lot like I actually don't like
697. 25:50the taste of espresso. So, I I I'm sorry
698. 25:54to anyone that I'm letting down, but
699. 25:56yeah, that's my lifeline. Like, if I've
700. 25:58already had coffee and nothing's
701. 26:00working, I it's a shot of espresso. It
702. 26:02usually does the trick.