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Explaining EVERY Fallacy in PowerScaling! (Through Mario) — Transcript

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  1. 0:00Oh my god. Is Flaky a power
  2. 0:03scaler? No. No. I used to do versus
  3. 0:06debates here and there. I used to do
  4. 0:09versus debates here and there, but some
  5. 0:11people can get so stupid I genuinely
  6. 0:13start tweaking. However, as a result, I
  7. 0:15would say I've become pretty well-versed
  8. 0:17in the art of combat debate. In fact,
  9. 0:19this video was originally going to be a
  10. 0:21response video to Six's Kachi versus the
  11. 0:23five Kag Summit video, but I really
  12. 0:25don't want to dip my knees in versus
  13. 0:27debates again and fear the tweet comes
  14. 0:29back. So instead, I thought of this.
  15. 0:30Fallacies are as they sound. They are
  16. 0:32arguments used in debates that are
  17. 0:34either dishonest or underhanded in
  18. 0:35certain areas, often trying to force or
  19. 0:37corner someone into agreeing with you
  20. 0:39instead of actually trying to trade
  21. 0:40numbers to see who's the most accurate.
  22. 0:42Surprisingly, there isn't a lot of
  23. 0:43videos talking about every fallacy in
  24. 0:45power scaling. In fact, the only one I
  25. 0:48could find was this video talking about
  26. 0:49just five of them, which fun fact, there
  27. 0:52isn't five, there's 50. Most of this
  28. 0:55should be common sense, but I've seen so
  29. 0:56many genuinely brain deadad people on
  30. 0:58Twitter that I feel the need to go in
  31. 1:00depth on even the most basic of these
  32. 1:02fallacies. And I'm going to be using
  33. 1:03Mario as a reference point for that cuz
  34. 1:05that's some more fun. I'll be using
  35. 1:07Versus Battle Wiki as a reference for
  36. 1:08it. If there are any more I'm missing,
  37. 1:10do let me know in the
  38. 1:13comments. Let's say I'm trying to debate
  39. 1:15with you who is faster, Mario or
  40. 1:19Pikachu. I try to tell you that Mario is
  41. 1:21faster than Pikachu because he has light
  42. 1:23level reaction. If your response to that
  43. 1:25is Mario's not light speed cuz you are
  44. 1:27dumb or there is no way you actually are
  45. 1:30smart enough to say that,
  46. 1:31congratulations. You are a user of the
  47. 1:33most overused and dumbest fallacy in all
  48. 1:36of debating. Ad homonym. Ad hom is when
  49. 1:38you try to value someone's points not by
  50. 1:40disproving the points but in trying to
  51. 1:43devalue the person. I cannot explain to
  52. 1:45you the amount of comments I would find
  53. 1:47on any video. Simply put, it does
  54. 1:49nothing for the debate. Properly
  55. 1:50logically disprove the notions first and
  56. 1:53foremost. Otherwise, a proper debate
  57. 1:55session will turn into a contest
  58. 1:56in a matter of seconds. Better argument
  59. 1:58would have been something like, "No,
  60. 2:00Mario shouldn't be because most of his
  61. 2:01showings are mock speed and stuff like
  62. 2:03that." Hey man, I'm just saying Mario
  63. 2:05can't throw a punch like Kratos can.
  64. 2:07What the heck? Kratos is not universal.
  65. 2:09Oh, look at that. Another fallacy. This
  66. 2:12fallacy is called the straw man. Straw
  67. 2:14man is when you take an argument and
  68. 2:15decide to completely exaggerate what is
  69. 2:18being said here and as a result
  70. 2:19completely ignore the entire point of
  71. 2:21the statement. Straw mans are usually
  72. 2:22hard to spot in a debate. But if you
  73. 2:24notice a weird leap in logic or an
  74. 2:26attempt to try twisting or corrupting
  75. 2:27your words, that is usually straw man
  76. 2:29tactics and is a fallacy as it doesn't
  77. 2:31properly try to address the argument you
  78. 2:34might be trying to make. Hey, I think
  79. 2:36Mario is universal. Want to know why?
  80. 2:38Cuz nothing said he can't be. I love
  81. 2:40this one because it's the funniest
  82. 2:41argument I'll hear out of people
  83. 2:43sometimes. Burden of proof is when you
  84. 2:45make a statement and claim it's true by
  85. 2:47saying there's a lack of evidence to
  86. 2:49prove it false. This becomes a fallacy
  87. 2:51because you don't have proof that it's
  88. 2:53true anyway, so cancels itself out.
  89. 2:55Funniest thing, I see this argument with
  90. 2:57Sonic.exe a lot. Prove to me that he
  91. 2:59isn't universal without giving proof
  92. 3:00that he is universal. You really can't
  93. 3:02argue with stupid, can you? Appeal the
  94. 3:04motive is when you once again try to
  95. 3:05disprove sentiments not by devaluing a
  96. 3:08statement but by devaluing a person
  97. 3:09instead. However, instead of throwing an
  98. 3:11insult, you just question their motives.
  99. 3:13This happens a whole lot in the Mario
  100. 3:15versus Sonic debates I see where instead
  101. 3:17of trying to debate points out, you
  102. 3:18might hear a conversation go like,
  103. 3:20"Sonic is so much faster than Mario and
  104. 3:22Mario doesn't have ways to counter Super
  105. 3:24Form when his star runs out." Wow. This
  106. 3:26does nothing. It actually does nothing.
  107. 3:28What did you prove in saying that?
  108. 3:30Nothing was disproven in saying that.
  109. 3:32Appeal to popularity. I love this one
  110. 3:34cuz this is literally everyone. How many
  111. 3:36polls have you seen of who would win in
  112. 3:37a fight and the poll always goes to the
  113. 3:39more popular character? Unfortunately,
  114. 3:41saying that one character is more
  115. 3:43successful than another is not a power
  116. 3:45statement. Crazy, right? This applies
  117. 3:47for general sentiments, too. Just
  118. 3:48because the general public agrees that
  119. 3:50one character should win doesn't
  120. 3:52necessarily mean that it's correct and
  121. 3:54that it's a valid argument that you can
  122. 3:55use. Everything needs to be based in
  123. 3:57logic when it comes to debates. Mario
  124. 3:59should be stronger than Link cuz Mario
  125. 4:01characters are stronger than Zelda
  126. 4:03characters. You can see where the
  127. 4:04problem is, right? Circular reasoning is
  128. 4:06when your assumed argument is based on
  129. 4:08another assumed argument. Both of these
  130. 4:10are statements without proof provided.
  131. 4:12But because the second statement is
  132. 4:14acting as proof for the first, you are
  133. 4:16made to think that the sentiment is
  134. 4:17true. But you cannot make an argument
  135. 4:19like this unless you have proven that
  136. 4:21argument beforehand. Otherwise, it's
  137. 4:23circular reasoning. Nonsequittor.
  138. 4:26Nonsequator is when you use a fact as
  139. 4:29proof of something that just doesn't
  140. 4:30pertain to the argument. If I told you
  141. 4:32that Mario can jump really high and then
  142. 4:34say because of that he's building level
  143. 4:35strength, you might think I'm an actual
  144. 4:37idiot and I would be. A similar argument
  145. 4:39would be Goku can create after images
  146. 4:41and is therefore speed of light. Just
  147. 4:43because there's some loose connection to
  148. 4:45the argument does not mean the argument
  149. 4:46is suddenly proven. They would either
  150. 4:48require more explanation or it just
  151. 4:50doesn't work.
  152. 4:51[Music]
  153. 4:52Red. This is when you try to rebuttal
  154. 4:55against a statement, but a point
  155. 4:56completely unrelated to that statement.
  156. 4:58Mario has to be faster and light cuz he
  157. 5:00can dodge lightning from Kleta. Okay.
  158. 5:02Yeah, but he never actually beat Kletto
  159. 5:04on his own. Both statements are
  160. 5:06technically true, but statement two does
  161. 5:08not rebuke statement one. Association
  162. 5:10fallacy. Mario is able to lift a
  163. 5:12building, so a toad should be able to as
  164. 5:15well. Association fallacy is when you
  165. 5:17argue that a feat is possible because of
  166. 5:19a connection a person may have to
  167. 5:21another character with that feat. A
  168. 5:22simple connection is not enough of an
  169. 5:25argument to suggest this. You might have
  170. 5:27seen me use this fallacy in my 106
  171. 5:29Kakashi video here and there. In fact,
  172. 5:31argument from ignorance. This is a
  173. 5:33little bit tricky. It's similar to
  174. 5:34burden of proof in that you make a
  175. 5:36statement based on a lack of evidence.
  176. 5:38There has never been proof of anyone
  177. 5:40being faster than the Flash. He has to
  178. 5:41be the fastest person in all media. This
  179. 5:44can be troublesome as you can say
  180. 5:46something like this but still not be a
  181. 5:48fallacy. If you said there has never
  182. 5:50been proof of anyone being faster than
  183. 5:52the Flash so he might be the fastest all
  184. 5:54media wouldn't be a fallacy as you're
  185. 5:55just connecting a sentiment instead of
  186. 5:57trying to make a cold hard fact. But
  187. 5:59this is a jump in logic argument from
  188. 6:01incredility. I think I'm saying that
  189. 6:03correctly. This is an argument similar
  190. 6:05to ignorance but instead of it being
  191. 6:07based on a lack of evidence it's much
  192. 6:08rather not being able to believe
  193. 6:10presented evidence. Basically something
  194. 6:12like nah he's not that strong that don't
  195. 6:14feel right so he can't be that strong.
  196. 6:16It's clear to see why this argument
  197. 6:18doesn't work. It's not based in facts,
  198. 6:19but on personal emotion. It doesn't
  199. 6:21qualify as a debunking point just
  200. 6:23because you feel like something isn't
  201. 6:24right. Argument from belief. This is the
  202. 6:26flip side of argument from incredility.
  203. 6:28Where instead of choosing not to believe
  204. 6:29and presented evidence, you present your
  205. 6:31own belief as the proof. Mario's light
  206. 6:33speeded because I said so. It's the same
  207. 6:35reason of argument from incredility why
  208. 6:37this doesn't count as a discernable
  209. 6:39fact. It's your opinion, not an actual
  210. 6:41statement. Appeal to emotion. Another
  211. 6:44emotion-based fallacy. But appeal to
  212. 6:46emotion is basically when you try to use
  213. 6:47emotional tactics to force your opponent
  214. 6:49to think your way. Come on, you're a
  215. 6:51smart guy. You know I'm right. Or of
  216. 6:53course Mario can dodge bullets. He
  217. 6:54wouldn't really be a cartoon hero if he
  218. 6:56could. You know, this is based off some
  219. 6:58sort of sentimental arguments. Neither
  220. 7:00statement is proof. One is flattery and
  221. 7:02the other is wishful thinking. Appeal to
  222. 7:03tradition. This is when you try to argue
  223. 7:05that one character can beat another
  224. 7:07character because that's just how it has
  225. 7:09to be. Goku would solo all of Mario's
  226. 7:12friends. What makes you think Mario
  227. 7:13could beat him? You're trying to argue
  228. 7:15that because one way has to be true, the
  229. 7:17other way must be as well. One thing can
  230. 7:19be true on his own, but doesn't
  231. 7:20necessarily have to be true for others.
  232. 7:22The arguments can work in reverse, too.
  233. 7:24Sonic always beats Hercule, so he
  234. 7:25definitely can beat Goku. Equavocation.
  235. 7:27This is the One Punch Man argument. This
  236. 7:29is the argument that basically says, if
  237. 7:31you can interpret something this way,
  238. 7:32that way has to be true. The strongest
  239. 7:34version of this argument is Saitama
  240. 7:36would literally beat everyone because he
  241. 7:38can beat everyone in one punch simply
  242. 7:40based on the fact that he's called One
  243. 7:42Punch Man. Similar arguments are Sonic
  244. 7:44is only speed of sound because Sonic
  245. 7:46means sound or Vegeta's Big Bang attack
  246. 7:48has to be universal because the Big Bang
  247. 7:50created the universe. No limits fallacy.
  248. 7:53No limits fallacy is essentially this
  249. 7:55ability hasn't shown a limit, so there
  250. 7:57isn't one. There's no way to prove an
  251. 7:59ability with no known limit even has a
  252. 8:01limit. Examples are Sonic has infinite
  253. 8:04speed because we have never seen his
  254. 8:05speed get pushed to the limit. Itachi
  255. 8:07said that only a manga Kyosharing can
  256. 8:09beat him. That means every universe
  257. 8:11would lose cuz no one has that.
  258. 8:13Everything has an explanation and
  259. 8:15everything should have a limit unless
  260. 8:16stated otherwise. Undistributed middle.
  261. 8:19This is when you misuse the transitive
  262. 8:21property. If feet A implies feed B and
  263. 8:23feed B implies feed C, then feet C
  264. 8:27should imply feed A. This is very
  265. 8:29similar to how all thumbs are fingers
  266. 8:31but not all fingers are thumbs. Just
  267. 8:33because every thumb is a finger doesn't
  268. 8:34mean the reverse is true. Not all
  269. 8:36fingers are going to be thumbs.
  270. 8:37Similarly, if you make a statement like
  271. 8:39every omnipotent being is a god, then
  272. 8:41the sage of six paths is omnipotent.
  273. 8:43This is undistributed middle fallacy
  274. 8:45fallacy. Fallacy fallacy is a warning to
  275. 8:48anyone who uses this list to their
  276. 8:50advantage. These fallacies are there to
  277. 8:52be called out so that when your opponent
  278. 8:54uses said fallacy that they can rethink
  279. 8:56their strategy. You cannot by any means
  280. 8:59use the fact that they are using a
  281. 9:01fallacy to imply that you are right in
  282. 9:03this debate. Just like your opponent,
  283. 9:05you need to apply logic too. You can't
  284. 9:07cheat it by exclaiming minor spelling
  285. 9:09mistake. I win. Argument from anecdotal
  286. 9:12evidence. This is when you try to imply
  287. 9:14your proof by telling a story. A story
  288. 9:16that can't be confirmed or denied.
  289. 9:18Because we can't prove your evidence in
  290. 9:20this story, we won't agree with you as a
  291. 9:23result. Biggest argument often uses with
  292. 9:25Madra versus Itachi where people will
  293. 9:27randomly say Kishimoto once said that he
  294. 9:29had to kill Itachi because he would have
  295. 9:31beaten Ma. There is no proof that he has
  296. 9:33said that to anybody and you can't use
  297. 9:35that as an argument. Proof by example.
  298. 9:38Basically, this is when you do provide
  299. 9:39proof of something, but then use that
  300. 9:41proof to speak generally. Reverse Flash
  301. 9:44can't be that fast because he's been
  302. 9:45tagged by Batman who's slow. Therefore,
  303. 9:48anyone of Batman's speed is enough to
  304. 9:50hurt Reverse Flash. This statement
  305. 9:52ignores the possibility of this being a
  306. 9:54statistical anomaly and not held true
  307. 9:56all the time. You need to prove that
  308. 9:58your example is not an anomaly and
  309. 10:00there's a clear discerning explanation
  310. 10:02or proof to these things. You'll see
  311. 10:04this argument be used all the time with
  312. 10:06tune force characters like Bugs Bunny or
  313. 10:08even Mario where because they'll have
  314. 10:09moments where something as simple as a
  315. 10:11hammer is able to destroy them
  316. 10:12apparently completely rebukes all the
  317. 10:14times they've been so above those
  318. 10:16leagues. You have to naturally assume
  319. 10:18these characters are at their best
  320. 10:20affirming the consequence. This happens
  321. 10:22when you use a premise to prove a
  322. 10:24conclusion. when you're supposed to use
  323. 10:26a conclusion to prove the premise.
  324. 10:28People who can jump 100 meters in the
  325. 10:30air should have building level strength
  326. 10:32in their legs. Since Mario has done that
  327. 10:34before, he has to be building level.
  328. 10:36Simply saying a statement like this
  329. 10:37should come with proof that it works
  330. 10:39like this in the Mario world. Denying
  331. 10:41the anticidence. This is the opposite of
  332. 10:43affirming the consequence where you use
  333. 10:45a premise to prove a conclusion and use
  334. 10:47that to say they don't follow this
  335. 10:48premise, therefore they don't follow
  336. 10:50this conclusion. They are both quite
  337. 10:51similar to nonsequittors. Bias sample.
  338. 10:54bias sample is similar to appeal to
  339. 10:56popularity, except you use some
  340. 10:57well-known person's thought about a
  341. 10:59fight as proof of who would win. The
  342. 11:00Mario example of this is Mario would
  343. 11:03beat Sonic in a fight because Death
  344. 11:04Battle says so. Death Battle is not the
  345. 11:07only source, and one could argue that
  346. 11:09they have a bias against Sonic due to
  347. 11:10how many death battles the franchise
  348. 11:12have lost. Like it's been repeated time
  349. 11:14and again in this video, you have to
  350. 11:16prove your own proof and research and
  351. 11:18not to rely on sentiments or bias
  352. 11:19samples to work with. This could be more
  353. 11:21finicky, too. Say you have a vote for
  354. 11:23who's in agreement on durability, Mario
  355. 11:25or Sonic. If this vote was done in a
  356. 11:27Sonic specific YouTube channel, of
  357. 11:29course, Sonic would get the winning
  358. 11:30agreements and vice versa. Halftruth.
  359. 11:33This is when someone provides proof and
  360. 11:34evidence but leaves out crucial
  361. 11:36information to prove their points.
  362. 11:38Consider this a lie of omission where
  363. 11:40you say something like, "Mario was able
  364. 11:42to beat Cullex. Therefore, Kulix can be
  365. 11:44beaten by anyone on Mario's level." This
  366. 11:46is a halftruth as beating didn't just
  367. 11:49take Mario. It took two other people to
  368. 11:51do it. Maybe five totally if you're
  369. 11:53looking at a more lore perspective of
  370. 11:55it. Hasty generalization. This can
  371. 11:57overlap with proof by example. A lot of
  372. 11:59these fallacies can overlap actually
  373. 12:01where you don't get enough evidence to
  374. 12:02prove the conclusion you're trying to
  375. 12:04make. Mario has been beaten by regular
  376. 12:06enemies. Therefore, even a toad can beat
  377. 12:08Mario in a fight. This ignores all the
  378. 12:10times where this wasn't true and is a
  379. 12:12hastily made conclusion. Misleading
  380. 12:15vividness. is almost exactly proof by
  381. 12:17example, but instead of just giving the
  382. 12:19example, they just give a lot of detail
  383. 12:21to the example. So, back to my original
  384. 12:23proof by example. Reverse Flash isn't
  385. 12:25fast. He's been tagged by Batman, who
  386. 12:27was able to stab him in the foot, so
  387. 12:29anyone of Batman's speed can tag him.
  388. 12:31The details don't prove anything, but
  389. 12:33it's there to try and convince you.
  390. 12:35Package deal. People think this is
  391. 12:37transitive property again, but it isn't.
  392. 12:39A is true. A is associated with B, so B
  393. 12:41is true. Mario can move faster in light
  394. 12:43and airgo can travel through time.
  395. 12:45Because going faster and light and time
  396. 12:47travel are tied, one can make this
  397. 12:49argument, but you have no idea how time
  398. 12:51travel works in the Mario world. And
  399. 12:52there's no proof of this. False
  400. 12:54dichotomy. This is when you say that
  401. 12:56given some options, only one is true to
  402. 12:58prove your point. When Bowser shot a
  403. 13:00fireball at Mario, Mario had two
  404. 13:02options. Either he was fast enough to
  405. 13:03jump out of the way or block it. This
  406. 13:05doesn't work as it removes the
  407. 13:07possibility of other options. Namely,
  408. 13:09what if Mario saw Bowser build up for
  409. 13:12the attack and just prepared his
  410. 13:13defenses beforehand? False dichotomy
  411. 13:15forces you to think a certain way
  412. 13:16without keeping an open mind to other
  413. 13:18potential openings. Correlation implies
  414. 13:21causation. Event A is associated with
  415. 13:24event B. Therefore, event A causes event
  416. 13:27B. When Mario is in the dream world and
  417. 13:29he fused with Luigi, Mario's stat is the
  418. 13:32combination of his and Luigi. Therefore,
  419. 13:34anyone who fuses with Mario in the dream
  420. 13:36dimension will give Mario a similar
  421. 13:38buff. This leaves out the possibility
  422. 13:40that's different other times, like how
  423. 13:41Antasma enters Mario, but doesn't give
  424. 13:44Mario any of his stats. Post Hawk. Post
  425. 13:46Hawk is when you believe that because
  426. 13:48two events happened one right after the
  427. 13:50other, that the events had to have been
  428. 13:52caused by the other. So, for a dumb
  429. 13:54example, Mario had no sleeves when he
  430. 13:56beat Shadow Mario. Therefore, Mario
  431. 13:58having no sleeves gave him enough power
  432. 14:00to beat him. The counterargument to post
  433. 14:02talk is that it ignores any other
  434. 14:04explanation for Mario being able to win.
  435. 14:06In this
  436. 14:10[Music]
  437. 14:11case, poisoning the well. Similar to ad
  438. 14:14homonym, but instead of trying to insult
  439. 14:16your opponent directly, you devalue him
  440. 14:18in front of the audience or judges and
  441. 14:20try to make him appear invalid for the
  442. 14:22argument. Your honor, my opponent is a
  443. 14:24stinky Sonic fan. He won't speak the
  444. 14:26Mario name correctly and will say Sonic
  445. 14:28beats Mario. He shouldn't be trusted.
  446. 14:30Obviously, the only truly stinky person
  447. 14:33is you. Fallacy of accident. Somebody
  448. 14:35tells you a general rule to justify
  449. 14:37something when there could exist
  450. 14:39exceptions or the rule itself is an
  451. 14:41exception. In a fight, the faster
  452. 14:42character usually wins. Mario can move
  453. 14:45faster than Sonic by using a warp pipe.
  454. 14:47Therefore, he will win. Not only is the
  455. 14:49faster character thing come with
  456. 14:50possible exceptions, warp pipe is a
  457. 14:52unique exception to the count of
  458. 14:54teleportation and can't actually count
  459. 14:56in a speed debate.
  460. 14:58Ooh, this is a variation of ad hominant
  461. 15:01where an argument gets dismissed by
  462. 15:02devaluing the person's practices rather
  463. 15:05than their arguments. Mario has never
  464. 15:07stated to be able to jump over 100
  465. 15:08blocks. That's a lie. Well, you lied
  466. 15:11when you said Sonic was stated to outrun
  467. 15:13a black hole. You need to give proof.
  468. 15:15Discrediting the person in question
  469. 15:17doesn't add or help your case. Loaded
  470. 15:19question. This is when a person gives
  471. 15:20you rhetorical gotcha question that
  472. 15:22makes it regardless of a yes or no
  473. 15:24answer, you won't win. Are you still
  474. 15:26making that stupid claim? Saying yes
  475. 15:28admits that it's a stupid claim. Saying
  476. 15:30no admits that it's a stupid claim.
  477. 15:33Fallacy of composition. Basically, if a
  478. 15:35person say that A is true, then anything
  479. 15:37larger than A is also true. Mario can
  480. 15:39beat Pikachu, therefore he can beat the
  481. 15:41entire Pokemon verse. Argumentum
  482. 15:44adverbosium. This is when someone tries
  483. 15:46to prove their claim by sending what's
  484. 15:48essentially a twit longer. But said twit
  485. 15:50longer is repetitive and doesn't come
  486. 15:52with any strong evidence. The purpose of
  487. 15:53this is usually to try and exhaust your
  488. 15:55opponent with constant yapping, constant
  489. 15:57beating around the bush. Figure of
  490. 15:58speech is when you take a saying or
  491. 16:00figure of speech literally, like when
  492. 16:02there exists a statement like Mario's
  493. 16:04reaction is godlike, therefore he is a
  494. 16:06god. Godlike is often used as hyperbole
  495. 16:09or simply as a hype statement. Unless
  496. 16:10made clear, it doesn't usually mean that
  497. 16:13Mario has reactions of a proper god.
  498. 16:15Argentum adnauseium is probably the most
  499. 16:18toxic one where in spite of how many
  500. 16:20times you argue against someone's point,
  501. 16:22they just keep saying the same exact
  502. 16:24point as an argument with the intent to
  503. 16:27make you give up and concede out of
  504. 16:29sheer annoyance. I don't even want to
  505. 16:30give an example for this one. Golden
  506. 16:32mean fallacy. This is the idea that when
  507. 16:34given two opposing viewpoints that the
  508. 16:36correct viewpoint is somewhere in
  509. 16:38between. Essentially, it's when you make
  510. 16:39the argument of I think Mario beats
  511. 16:41Peashooter. You think Peashooter beats
  512. 16:43Mario. that must mean they are probably
  513. 16:45equal. This doesn't give credence to the
  514. 16:47possibility that one of these viewpoints
  515. 16:48is just not correct. Style over
  516. 16:50substance. This is the argument you give
  517. 16:52where you personally think one is
  518. 16:53stronger than the other just from how
  519. 16:54much more spectacle there is to them.
  520. 16:56This is very common and it's a pretty
  521. 16:58popular reason why so many characters
  522. 16:59would be thrown into versus debates just
  523. 17:01because of their flashy new style. It's
  524. 17:03like saying Sonic has after images and
  525. 17:05blurs whenever he moves. Mario doesn't.
  526. 17:07Therefore, Sonic has to be faster.
  527. 17:09Visual is artist's interpretation. A
  528. 17:11style. Just because one thing is drawn a
  529. 17:13certain way unlike another doesn't mean
  530. 17:15it's not of this certain way. False
  531. 17:17analogy. This is when you try to argue a
  532. 17:19point using an analogy, but the analogy
  533. 17:22doesn't work. It's like saying Mario
  534. 17:24versus Flash the same as trying to swat
  535. 17:26a fly. Yeah, the fly is fast and hard to
  536. 17:28get, but you'll eventually get them. It
  537. 17:30goes without saying that a fly is far
  538. 17:32far weaker than a person, which may not
  539. 17:35apply to this debate whatsoever.
  540. 17:36Analogies need to be more on the nose
  541. 17:38than this faulty premise. This is
  542. 17:40similar to affirming the consequence,
  543. 17:42but this time instead of using an honest
  544. 17:44premise that can be possible, the
  545. 17:46premise is just wrong. If you're able to
  546. 17:48make rocks fly upwards just by powering
  547. 17:50up, then that must mean gravity
  548. 17:52manipulation is at play. What answer
  549. 17:54does Mario have to Goku's manipulating
  550. 17:56gravity? This premise just doesn't make
  551. 17:58any sense, as there could be other
  552. 18:00explanations to this effect, and this
  553. 18:02current explanation is also on its own
  554. 18:04not making sense. Genetic fallacy. This
  555. 18:06is when you say, "This isn't your
  556. 18:08argument, so I won't counter it." That
  557. 18:10does not matter. An argument is still an
  558. 18:13argument, and you need to counter it as
  559. 18:15a result. Just because a person says,
  560. 18:16"You got this calculation from a
  561. 18:18website, I'm not countering copied work,
  562. 18:21make your own conclusions next time."
  563. 18:23This is completely ignorant as this
  564. 18:25doesn't at all try to deny the point,
  565. 18:27just the person making the point.
  566. 18:28Incomplete comparison. This is when you
  567. 18:30try to make a vague claim in hopes of it
  568. 18:32being a valid argument. You'll hear this
  569. 18:34time and again and people say things
  570. 18:36like, "But Sonic is really fast." Or,
  571. 18:37"But Goku is really strong." But the
  572. 18:39questions, to what standards are you
  573. 18:41saying this? To what extent do you mean?
  574. 18:43Who are you comparing any character to
  575. 18:44when you're making this claim? Yeah,
  576. 18:46Goku is pretty strong next to Yamcha,
  577. 18:48but he doesn't look that strong next to
  578. 18:49Grandmaster Zeno. Inconsistent
  579. 18:51comparison. This is when you try to
  580. 18:53prove your points by comparing a
  581. 18:54person's speeds to multiple other
  582. 18:56characters. This only works if these
  583. 18:58comparisons are meaningful. For example,
  584. 18:59if I was to say something like, "Mario
  585. 19:01would beat any Sonic character. He's
  586. 19:03faster than Vector, smarter than Sonic,
  587. 19:05stronger than Espio. Yeah, these
  588. 19:08comparisons might be true, but they
  589. 19:10aren't actually that special. These
  590. 19:11would have more meaning if the
  591. 19:13conclusions I drew was he's faster than
  592. 19:15Sonic, smarter than Eggman, stronger
  593. 19:17than Knuckles, cuz these are high tiers
  594. 19:19of their stats. It would matter a lot
  595. 19:21more here. It's much more consistent.
  596. 19:23Invalid proof. Invalid proof, aside from
  597. 19:25meaning this proof is wrong, is more
  598. 19:27commonly when you provide calculations
  599. 19:29for some power, but you did the math
  600. 19:31wrong. If I said to you that Mario has
  601. 19:33scalings to show that he's 10 times
  602. 19:35stronger than an atomic nuke and then
  603. 19:37gives you the math and it shows 10 times
  604. 19:39weaker. I think the most meme version of
  605. 19:42this was in Death Battles first Goku
  606. 19:44versus Superman where they blatantly got
  607. 19:46wrong the math they use for their
  608. 19:48scalings on Goku. This was clowned on in
  609. 19:50the power scaling community. Even Kid Me
  610. 19:52was looking at this and was a little
  611. 19:54confused, affirming a disjunct. This is
  612. 19:56when you say there can only be two
  613. 19:57possibilities. One is true and the other
  614. 19:59is false. ignoring the possibility that
  615. 20:01they are both true or both false. Either
  616. 20:03Mario has great arm strength or great
  617. 20:05leg strength. We have seen him jump
  618. 20:07high, so he has to have great leg
  619. 20:08strength, right? Existential fallacy.
  620. 20:11This is when your argument hinges on
  621. 20:13something's existence when it doesn't
  622. 20:15exist. If Mario gets stronger with each
  623. 20:17powerup star up until 150, then Mario
  624. 20:20with 200 stars would be even stronger.
  625. 20:22Here's the thing, though. You might be
  626. 20:24right, might not. But there is no game
  627. 20:26where Mario can get 200 stars. Fallacy
  628. 20:28of exclusive premise. This is when
  629. 20:30someone gives you two negative premises
  630. 20:32and tries to associate them. No Mario
  631. 20:34character can jump fast. Some Mario
  632. 20:36characters cannot dodge. So that means
  633. 20:38Mario characters that can jump fast
  634. 20:40can't dodge. There's no real association
  635. 20:42to be had here. One isn't proven by the
  636. 20:44other. And my favorites appeal to
  637. 20:47reality fallacy. Have you ever heard or
  638. 20:49used this argument? This character can't
  639. 20:51be faster in light because nothing is
  640. 20:53faster in light. It literally takes
  641. 20:55infinite energy and it's the speed
  642. 20:57limit. He has to be moving either near
  643. 20:59light speed or edit. This is appeal to
  644. 21:01reality fallacy where because of how
  645. 21:03things work in our reality, you presume
  646. 21:05they work the same way in any written
  647. 21:07reality which is obviously not true. You
  648. 21:09have no clue whether the world that was
  649. 21:11written is a world that allows passing
  650. 21:13of the speed limit. Hence, it's not an
  651. 21:15argument that can be used. Only certain
  652. 21:17things like simple mathematical concepts
  653. 21:19can stay largely due to how
  654. 21:20self-explanatory it is. Yes, force is
  655. 21:23how hard something is hitting you. This
  656. 21:25is everything I know. You can check the
  657. 21:26wiki itself if you want to get its
  658. 21:28explanations on things. These are how I
  659. 21:30interpret each and every fallacy. Now,
  660. 21:32for all versus debate fiends out there,
  661. 21:34have fun and subscribe.
  662. 21:36[Music]

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