Experiential Atheist to Servant of Christ - Damian Stayne — Transcript
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- 0:06they saw a need and found a way to
- 0:09contribute
- 0:12in my teenage i went right off the rails
- 0:15i had an experience of the absence of
- 0:18god while i described myself as an
- 0:20experiential atheist men and women who
- 0:23left their comfort zones and successful
- 0:25careers entrusting their lives
- 0:28ministries and movements to god i've
- 0:31been inspired i just believed what jesus
- 0:35says that's all and if we could all just
- 0:37believe it our lives would burst into
- 0:40flames in jesus name run run
- 0:43this is foolishness you can't do this
- 0:45nothing will separate me from the love
- 0:47of christ get to know the inspiring
- 0:50testimonies of founders and leaders who
- 0:53gave their all overcame setbacks towards
- 0:57a hundredfold harvest
- 1:08hi i'm your host peter carotes welcome
- 1:10to shalom world's original program a
- 1:12hundred fold which features founders and
- 1:15key people who have made an exceptional
- 1:17impact on the church our guest is the
- 1:19founder of core at lumen christie
- 1:22community that's the heart and light of
- 1:25christ it was founded in 1990 as a
- 1:27prayer group which became a community
- 1:30with strong eucharistic heart
- 1:33let's welcome damien stein about a year
- 1:36after receiving the baptism of the holy
- 1:38spirit damien stain felt a call from god
- 1:42he followed seven and a half years of
- 1:44prayer
- 1:45fasting and searching this finally bore
- 1:48fruit and he founded a catholic
- 1:50community called core elumen christi the
- 1:53heart and light of christ in october
- 1:551990
- 1:57it's a community that offers the depths
- 1:59of prayer and worship
- 2:01found in the monastic and contemplative
- 2:03vocation and yet engaged in mission and
- 2:07embraces the charismatic gifts
- 2:09the catholic community core elumen
- 2:12christi
- 2:13seeks to combine a life of prayer and
- 2:15worship with a ministry of healing and
- 2:18prophecy
- 2:19damien stein drives this ministry of
- 2:22preaching
- 2:23miracles and calling god's people into
- 2:26the promises of christ
- 2:28he has ministered in 25 countries
- 2:30equipping believers of every background
- 2:33to exercise spiritual gifts
- 2:35thousands are healed at his services and
- 2:38god has graciously used him to help many
- 2:40people experience the outpouring of the
- 2:42holy spirit
- 2:44damian and his late wife kathy have two
- 2:47children
- 2:48the family lives near london
- 2:50core elumen christie community
- 2:53consists of married people
- 2:55priests and single people from various
- 2:57nations
- 2:58they host about 20 conferences events
- 3:02and programs each year in different
- 3:04countries
- 3:05they lead miracle healing services all
- 3:07over the world at which people are
- 3:09privileged to witness extraordinary
- 3:11healings
- 3:12they have developed a street ministry
- 3:15prophetic ministry and an online
- 3:17teaching and prophetic appointment
- 3:19ministry
- 3:20they also have online miracle healing
- 3:23services each month watched by people in
- 3:26over 40 countries
- 3:27this community has canonical recognition
- 3:30and is deeply catholic while being
- 3:33enriched by the work of the holy spirit
- 3:35in the other churches
- 3:37damian welcome to the program
- 3:40well it's good to be with you and you
- 3:43and i have difficult names in different
- 3:45respects mine is hard to pronounce yours
- 3:48is a stain well let's get right into it
- 3:51who is damien stain
- 3:53you are a very popular name in the
- 3:55charismatic community we we know you're
- 3:58a well-known speaker an evangelist
- 4:00but we're really interested in knowing
- 4:03damien stain and the person you are
- 4:06today okay well i'm a catholic i was
- 4:08brought up in a catholic family
- 4:11my dad worked time for the church in the
- 4:141960s as a layman which was very unusual
- 4:17at work for the bishop and for a new
- 4:19movement
- 4:20in the 60s so we grew up in a context of
- 4:23radical catholic faith a lot of people
- 4:26young people coming to our house who've
- 4:28been brought back to the church by my
- 4:29dad so faith was a radical dynamic and
- 4:33primary thing in my upbringing
- 4:36in my teenage i went right off the rails
- 4:39uh ended up having
- 4:41the experience of being well i described
- 4:43myself as an experiential atheist i it
- 4:46wasn't like today atheism is like trendy
- 4:48i thought atheism was really boring and
- 4:50uninteresting but i i had an experience
- 4:53of the absence of god the emptiness of
- 4:56the universe it was experiential thing
- 4:59people talk about having a personal
- 5:01experience of jesus i had a personal
- 5:03experience of void in the universe and
- 5:06that led me that was because of the sins
- 5:08i was embracing the way of life i was
- 5:10involved in
- 5:12kind of had you know closed me down
- 5:14spiritually shut me down and then
- 5:16through the charismatic renewal i had a
- 5:18radical conversion
- 5:19i went through a
- 5:21deep healing and liberation and you know
- 5:24god really purified my life and then i
- 5:26became kind of radical christian
- 5:28i sold all my possessions gave them to
- 5:30the poor you know slept on the floor you
- 5:32know worked with people who were sick
- 5:34you know i i decided i was going to be
- 5:36the second saint francis as you can tell
- 5:38i was full of humility
- 5:40but a lot of zeal even if i was you know
- 5:43youthful arrogance
- 5:45and god was just very very merciful to
- 5:47me very kind to me
- 5:50but one thing he did give me he gave me
- 5:52a conviction
- 5:55that
- 5:56he has
- 5:57something exceptional for me in my life
- 6:02uh and so
- 6:03that helped me
- 6:05to keep setting the bar high you know
- 6:08not compromising on things i remember
- 6:10when i was at university i had all kinds
- 6:13of absolutely appalling temptations
- 6:16girls coming riding on my door you know
- 6:19come and have sex with me room number so
- 6:21and so or turning up at my door in their
- 6:24underwear
- 6:25you know these kinds of experiences and
- 6:26i was able to resist all of that by
- 6:28god's grace
- 6:30because i was able to hold on to this
- 6:33interior conviction that god had some
- 6:35destiny for me that was worth much more
- 6:38than all this rubbish that was being put
- 6:40in front of me well it sounds like
- 6:41you're in a beautiful place right now
- 6:43but one of the things you said really
- 6:45resonated with me you know you said you
- 6:47had a nothingness you had a void right i
- 6:50think the old saying is the universe
- 6:52abhors a void so the void is going to be
- 6:55filled up with something you
- 6:58would have failed miserably at the
- 7:01knocks and the door and the messages and
- 7:03and the invitations if you hadn't filled
- 7:06that void with something something very
- 7:09good and holy that's right i went along
- 7:11to a prayer group not because i believed
- 7:13in god my parents were going i didn't
- 7:15even know what it was
- 7:16uh and uh but i i was so desperate i
- 7:19went along i had long hair you know my
- 7:22clothes were a terrible mess i was into
- 7:24this whole rock scene you know all that
- 7:26and um
- 7:28i went and it's just mostly old ladies
- 7:30sitting around the candle you know and
- 7:31singing and the music let me tell you if
- 7:34you think black sabbath and ac dc is
- 7:37demonic music you should have heard the
- 7:39quality of this music it was so bad i
- 7:42mean they loved jesus but i couldn't
- 7:44wasn't jimi hendrix you know i mean it
- 7:46was just appalling but somehow the
- 7:49presence of god was there they loved
- 7:50jesus they loved me and i just couldn't
- 7:54not come back they i just
- 7:56i thought it was like going to the gym i
- 7:58thought these guys have stumbled on
- 8:00something they've got this peace i've
- 8:03got to have some peace
- 8:05but it's false i mean their premise is
- 8:07false
- 8:08you know but it's like maybe it's like
- 8:10kind of like yoga you know you do
- 8:11exercises and it makes you feel yeah man
- 8:14you know or you go to the gym you know
- 8:16i'm not promoting yoga by the way you
- 8:17you know you um go to the gym you know
- 8:20you lift weights and then you get
- 8:22muscles so i went to the prayer group
- 8:24and it was like well what do you do to
- 8:25get this piece and this little old lady
- 8:28said to me you know when you pray to
- 8:30receive the holy spirit dear you know so
- 8:32i started praying to this god i didn't
- 8:35believe in uh for something that i
- 8:37didn't have
- 8:38and god turned my life around and within
- 8:40a few months
- 8:42i believed that i had an experience of
- 8:44god existing i remember where i was
- 8:46standing i was standing talking to
- 8:48somebody after the prayer meeting which
- 8:50i found immensely boring and irrelevant
- 8:52i was just completely
- 8:54desperate
- 8:55for god but not god for peace
- 8:58and
- 8:59i was talking to a guy after
- 9:02the meeting and i was holding a cup of
- 9:04tea and i was still living a bad life
- 9:06you know one week i would be
- 9:08fooling around my girlfriend the next
- 9:10week you know i'd be at the prayer
- 9:11meeting next week you know it wasn't it
- 9:13was not an ideal situation but god's
- 9:15grace
- 9:16and uh and i was talking to him holding
- 9:18a cup of tea
- 9:19and uh suddenly as though something
- 9:24filled it's like in an instant i wasn't
- 9:27being spiritual
- 9:29suddenly
- 9:30everything behind me which was void
- 9:34suddenly filled with a person and it
- 9:36reached as far as my imagination could
- 9:39go and the universe had a person in it
- 9:43and that was my beginning and then i i
- 9:45knew that god was real and a few months
- 9:46later i i came to faith that jesus
- 9:50is lord
- 9:51and that that's what changed everything
- 9:52i experienced the outpouring of the holy
- 9:54spirit and then then my life took this
- 9:57radical turn and i got rid of everything
- 9:59i cut off all my friendships you know
- 10:01and i just went for jesus
- 10:03i don't know if everyone appreciates
- 10:04this but this radical turn convicted by
- 10:07the spirit is is real and it happens to
- 10:09people who are young like you or old
- 10:12but when did you experience god's
- 10:14calling to a full-time ministry so it's
- 10:17one thing to be changed and and
- 10:20fulfilled if you will and giving good
- 10:21direction it's another thing to give
- 10:22everything up and
- 10:24start
- 10:25a ministry tell me
- 10:27when did that first uh hit you so about
- 10:3018 months after
- 10:32i got converted i'd heard of a community
- 10:35in france the emmanuel community that's
- 10:37a big catholic charismatic community so
- 10:39i went to paris no money just trusting
- 10:42in the lord when and two friends wanted
- 10:44to come with me my brother and a friend
- 10:46and we went and we went to stay with
- 10:48them and while we were staying with them
- 10:50we had a few days with them and then
- 10:53uh and i'd left my job to do this
- 10:55because i didn't know when i was if i
- 10:56would come back or how long i'd be there
- 11:00and then they went on retreat and it was
- 11:02the private community retreat when i
- 11:03came back from that trip having been
- 11:05with a charismatic community and a
- 11:08contemplative monastic community i just
- 11:11couldn't
- 11:12decide i thought i have to have these
- 11:14two realities this experience of the
- 11:17glory of the holy spirit in the
- 11:19contemplative life in a life and the
- 11:21glory of the holy spirit in the
- 11:23missionary life
- 11:24so i just couldn't decide so then i i
- 11:27did sort of part-time jobs and filled in
- 11:29here and there and i did some worked in
- 11:31a christian bookshop you know and that
- 11:32kind of thing but my heart was already
- 11:34set i had to be in full-time ministry
- 11:37then i worked as a chaplain in
- 11:39university and then i felt i really
- 11:41needed to
- 11:42to get a degree people started saying to
- 11:44me well you need to at least be sensible
- 11:47so i thought well okay you know these
- 11:48wise people so i i went off and got a
- 11:50degree i qualified as a teacher i always
- 11:53knew i was called to teach i did a
- 11:54degree in theology and art
- 11:57and then as soon as i've done that
- 11:58degree i did a job for a short time and
- 12:00worked in a christian center kind of
- 12:02part time in each of those
- 12:04and the community was and we started the
- 12:06community but for me i'd known that you
- 12:08know from 1982
- 12:1083 just a year and a half after my
- 12:13conversion i had to be full time
- 12:15once the community started i could lift
- 12:17that that fully and then things began to
- 12:19escalate so damian that's been a long
- 12:22time early 80s you were
- 12:24did i say it right baptized in the holy
- 12:26spirit
- 12:28you left your job you went into
- 12:30full-time ministry when you look back on
- 12:32it it's a long time ago
- 12:34how do you feel about it share a little
- 12:36bit about that ministry and when you
- 12:37really when you founded it when you just
- 12:39got it started so so what happened we
- 12:42were a prayer group at university and we
- 12:44had an outpouring of power on the group
- 12:46tiny little group just six or seven of
- 12:49us eight of us maybe we had an
- 12:50outpouring of the power of god upon the
- 12:52group people were speaking in known
- 12:55languages they hadn't learned that
- 12:56happened to us
- 12:58several times german italian uh spanish
- 13:02gaelic you know this gift of tongues
- 13:04this was happening to us in the group
- 13:06and because we had students who were
- 13:08linguists they were saying did you know
- 13:10you're speaking in spanish did you know
- 13:12you're speaking in german did you know
- 13:14you were speaking in gaelic you know so
- 13:16it was very interesting experience and
- 13:18then we started um uh running healing
- 13:20things and lots of people were getting
- 13:22healed and so we were we realized that
- 13:25we had a call not just to preach but to
- 13:28preach with supernatural signs
- 13:30and then the year after that those
- 13:31things year or two after that the
- 13:33community was founded
- 13:34and it was founded with this mission to
- 13:36to live a light deep life of prayer
- 13:39in the eucharist
- 13:41with proclamation with signs
- 13:43and then we started getting known
- 13:45for these things and getting invitations
- 13:47and then the invitation started going
- 13:48internationally
- 13:50and then it all just snowballed well
- 13:52damian it sounds like it's a great
- 13:53success now and you're being very
- 13:55positive which is good
- 13:57allow me to be a little bit negative
- 14:00you know you hear us speaking in tongues
- 14:01and healings and there can be a lot of
- 14:03disbelief
- 14:05uh tell me about some of the challenges
- 14:07that you
- 14:08endured during those first years were
- 14:10there any setbacks i think most we've
- 14:13had extraordinary favor our bishops have
- 14:17been so supportive
- 14:19we've always been very transparent open
- 14:21with our bishops you know uh we haven't
- 14:24you know tried to hide anything um i
- 14:26think because we're very catholic you
- 14:29know we're very careful about our
- 14:30doctrine we work strongly ecumenically
- 14:34but our doctrine is really orthodox you
- 14:36know we've got a deeply author deeply
- 14:38rooted in the mystic tradition of the
- 14:40cat of the church you know and so i
- 14:42think the bishops we're very very
- 14:45careful with the you know the behavior
- 14:47of the young people uh you know we had
- 14:50no scandals by god's grace uh in that
- 14:52whole area uh and so i think the bishops
- 14:55just felt that we were doing things
- 14:57sensibly even though we were having this
- 14:59experience of great power
- 15:02and now we've got two scientists in the
- 15:04community
- 15:06and a couple of doctors so when we talk
- 15:08about uh what's happening as far as the
- 15:11signs and wonders are concerned you know
- 15:13we've got people who give a great deal
- 15:16of intellectual credibility to that side
- 15:18of things in the community so it's
- 15:20easier to accept damian you're a very
- 15:23positive person but tell me um when did
- 15:26things go badly did you always have
- 15:28enough money
- 15:29it always seems to be a struggle with
- 15:31ministries well we live on providence
- 15:33that i mean we live on providence so
- 15:35when we run an event uh we we say to
- 15:38people just just make a five pound
- 15:40registration and then we make a donation
- 15:43that way the poorest people
- 15:45who come to our events can afford to
- 15:47come and then we just trust that god is
- 15:49gonna make it up you know somehow um but
- 15:53there have been times when we were
- 15:54really poor really hard up uh you know i
- 15:57remember once it was so cold in this
- 15:59house this is a great big old kind of
- 16:01religious house we bought from the
- 16:02salesians and uh so it's a bit like a
- 16:05cave in places you know it's huge and um
- 16:09i remember it was so cold
- 16:11that uh the computers wouldn't work you
- 16:13know we were living off just pasta and
- 16:15beans sometimes you know and uh
- 16:19that was before all the ministries
- 16:21really got going you know we had to keep
- 16:23holding on and trusting god and you know
- 16:25the money would just you know would just
- 16:28arrive i think when you have hope
- 16:30hope is often forgotten you know when
- 16:32you have when god has engraved a vision
- 16:34inside you it's like the the obstacles
- 16:38while they can be very difficult and we
- 16:40have difficult times you know
- 16:43somehow
- 16:45they remain in their right perspective
- 16:49because hope is seeing beyond them
- 16:52constantly you know the the vision of
- 16:54what's coming is bigger than what we're
- 16:56going through right now and so you know
- 16:58we would pray a lot you know we would
- 17:00fast and we just kind of endured it and
- 17:03we had the god gave us the grace to keep
- 17:05going and we did feed our faith so we
- 17:07went and visited other communities who
- 17:09had passed through these times who were
- 17:12the other side of these the first birth
- 17:15pangs and that's very important we
- 17:17integrated many things from other
- 17:19communities that were working and put
- 17:21those into the life of the community and
- 17:23they kind of stabilized the community so
- 17:25god helped us a lot through others
- 17:27who've been gone ahead of us
- 17:29damon we all know that we can do no good
- 17:31without the grace of god and the holy
- 17:33spirit
- 17:34but realistically through this ministry
- 17:38perhaps thousands have come to know the
- 17:40lord better
- 17:41tell me tell me what does that does to
- 17:43your heart
- 17:45tell me how you feel
- 17:46when you can appreciate how god is
- 17:49working through you
- 17:51well
- 17:52it goes from weeping over my sins and
- 17:55with gratitude to the lord to just
- 17:58you know just this is this is how it
- 18:00should be this is this is like normal
- 18:02christian life you know you you command
- 18:05healing over a crowd and hundreds of
- 18:07people come forward to testify they've
- 18:09been healed you know or sometimes
- 18:11thousands you know and you speak to
- 18:15blind eyes and the blind eyes open and
- 18:18it becomes
- 18:19this normal you're living but actually
- 18:22in the gospel and in the book of acts
- 18:24this was normal
- 18:25i know in the vatican council documents
- 18:27it talks about these gifts as as
- 18:30exceptional
- 18:31you know or extraordinary rather
- 18:33extraordinary but actually christians
- 18:36are extraordinary that's our nature
- 18:39so the the miraculous is something that
- 18:42should be ordinary for christians
- 18:45although extraordinary for
- 18:47non-christians
- 18:48so jesus says doesn't it anyone who
- 18:51believes in me will perform the same
- 18:53works that i do
- 18:55now i'm not saying everybody's called to
- 18:56a platform healing ministry or a
- 18:58prophetic appointment ministry or you
- 19:00know these things that we do and all
- 19:01that or
- 19:03delivering people from spirits or
- 19:04whatever is the thing this is our joy
- 19:07that we see this sometimes we just stand
- 19:10and we feel like we're observers just
- 19:12watching the manifestation of god
- 19:14through us us for goodness sake us
- 19:18who are we
- 19:20and you know we i really feel this god
- 19:22chose us because we were nothing special
- 19:26we were the smallest prayer group in
- 19:28london
- 19:29and the fire of pentecost fell on us and
- 19:31this explosion of supernatural then
- 19:34erupted through the ministry damian the
- 19:36reality is that you're in london i'm in
- 19:39st louis and you have an impact in with
- 19:42folks all over the world and we have a
- 19:44gentleman who's with us who met you in
- 19:46lubin poland in 2001 you invited him to
- 19:49england to observe the way of life of
- 19:52koret lumen christie
- 19:54and he has been a member of the
- 19:56community a member of the evangelization
- 19:59team for many years
- 20:01let's hear from him now
- 20:04i met damian 20 years ago back in poland
- 20:07he was running under the first skyrim
- 20:09school what i saw an experience i have
- 20:12to say
- 20:13literally blew my mind
- 20:15this call
- 20:16to deep intimacy with the lord and also
- 20:20the call to preach the good news and
- 20:22expect signs and wonders
- 20:24and see so many miracles
- 20:27this made us
- 20:28to come to england and join this
- 20:30community because we wanted to
- 20:32participate and have experience of this
- 20:34early church communities it's a great
- 20:37privilege
- 20:39to see a man
- 20:40who has been called by god to be a
- 20:42prophetic sign to so many nations
- 20:46and see this
- 20:47biblical miracles and healings when
- 20:50blind see and
- 20:52death here and the lame walk
- 20:55and have this amazing prophetic
- 20:57experience and anointing
- 21:00and still remain a sincere
- 21:03and a humble man living a simple life
- 21:06in this community he is bringing up
- 21:08people next to him equipping them
- 21:11and
- 21:12sharing his heart but also he is the
- 21:15first one to admit his fault and ask for
- 21:18forgiveness
- 21:20we have had a long journey and he he has
- 21:23suffered because of my sins
- 21:25and
- 21:26greatly i would say
- 21:29but he has never
- 21:30given up
- 21:32on me and other people
- 21:34but most of all
- 21:36having
- 21:37and finding
- 21:38the true source of joy that comes from
- 21:41being
- 21:42being with the lord and those
- 21:45who truly loved us
- 21:47in all of this
- 21:48glory to god
- 21:51that was marcin stetner from
- 21:54core lumen christi community
- 21:58damien and i mean this in a very
- 22:00humble sense you are a gifted person
- 22:04gifted as in
- 22:05the parable where our lord talks about
- 22:08giving the 5 000 talents
- 22:11you have used this gift to train other
- 22:13people to grow the church
- 22:16tell me when did you first realize
- 22:18that this was your gift to pass on these
- 22:21charisms to multiply yourself if you
- 22:24will like talents to build the church
- 22:27i think i what i saw was that there's um
- 22:32there was a i res just read the gospels
- 22:34i looked at what jesus was doing
- 22:36and jesus wasn't building a monument to
- 22:39himself
- 22:40he wasn't building the jesus ministry
- 22:43you know international he was building
- 22:46people he was proclaiming modeling
- 22:49coming
- 22:51you know dying on the cross for us but
- 22:53he was empowering
- 22:55his body
- 22:57to do what he was doing
- 23:00to proclaim as he was proclaiming to do
- 23:02the signs that he was doing
- 23:04and it seemed to me that uh it's it
- 23:07what's needed in the church today
- 23:10is for the church to know what is hers
- 23:14what christ has
- 23:16obtained for us what his promises mean
- 23:20um
- 23:21and these promises apply to all
- 23:23christians there's nowhere in the bible
- 23:25that it says these are the signs that
- 23:27will follow damien stain it doesn't say
- 23:29that jesus has a vision for all
- 23:32believers to be mobilized and released
- 23:35into the earth
- 23:36and
- 23:37so for me this thing you can't strictly
- 23:39speaking train people in a charisma
- 23:41charism is a free gift but you can train
- 23:44people how to become more docile more
- 23:47receptive more responsive and our
- 23:50theology is that god wants to pour out
- 23:53these charisms so when the scripture
- 23:55says in paul
- 23:57earnestly desire the spiritual gifts it
- 24:00must be because god earnestly desires to
- 24:02give them so if your approach is that
- 24:07that god is earnestly
- 24:09desiring to give them when you run a
- 24:11workshop on healing your expectant faith
- 24:14is that he's earnestly desiring to
- 24:16release the gift of healing now it's not
- 24:18that we have to somehow pull it down
- 24:19from heaven he's already running into
- 24:22the room to pour these gifts out to
- 24:24anyone who's got an open heart to them
- 24:26we need something that says this is just
- 24:30not just a theoretical religion
- 24:32and jesus is alive and we're in a season
- 24:35now where god is pouring out signs in a
- 24:37new way because he sees the need of the
- 24:40hour
- 24:41our lord is working in the world in big
- 24:43ways even today glory to him damian
- 24:46thank you you are
- 24:48can i say it inspiring
- 24:50our lord invites us i've been inspired
- 24:55i've been inspired i just believed what
- 24:58jesus says that's all
- 25:00you know and if we could all just
- 25:02believe it our lives would burst into
- 25:05flames well damian that leads us to the
- 25:08final question that we'll leave with all
- 25:10of our viewers tonight
- 25:12how is god inspiring you
- 25:15to serve him
- 25:17our lord is tapping on the shoulder say
- 25:19yes open your heart
- 25:21he'll respect your no
- 25:23but you'll love it when you say yes
- 25:26thank you all for joining us and we'll
- 25:28see you on our next feature of a
- 25:30hundredfold
- 25:35[Music]
- 25:55towards god
- 25:57rise up
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