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Experiential Atheist to Servant of Christ - Damian Stayne — Transcript

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  1. 0:06they saw a need and found a way to
  2. 0:09contribute
  3. 0:12in my teenage i went right off the rails
  4. 0:15i had an experience of the absence of
  5. 0:18god while i described myself as an
  6. 0:20experiential atheist men and women who
  7. 0:23left their comfort zones and successful
  8. 0:25careers entrusting their lives
  9. 0:28ministries and movements to god i've
  10. 0:31been inspired i just believed what jesus
  11. 0:35says that's all and if we could all just
  12. 0:37believe it our lives would burst into
  13. 0:40flames in jesus name run run
  14. 0:43this is foolishness you can't do this
  15. 0:45nothing will separate me from the love
  16. 0:47of christ get to know the inspiring
  17. 0:50testimonies of founders and leaders who
  18. 0:53gave their all overcame setbacks towards
  19. 0:57a hundredfold harvest
  20. 1:08hi i'm your host peter carotes welcome
  21. 1:10to shalom world's original program a
  22. 1:12hundred fold which features founders and
  23. 1:15key people who have made an exceptional
  24. 1:17impact on the church our guest is the
  25. 1:19founder of core at lumen christie
  26. 1:22community that's the heart and light of
  27. 1:25christ it was founded in 1990 as a
  28. 1:27prayer group which became a community
  29. 1:30with strong eucharistic heart
  30. 1:33let's welcome damien stein about a year
  31. 1:36after receiving the baptism of the holy
  32. 1:38spirit damien stain felt a call from god
  33. 1:42he followed seven and a half years of
  34. 1:44prayer
  35. 1:45fasting and searching this finally bore
  36. 1:48fruit and he founded a catholic
  37. 1:50community called core elumen christi the
  38. 1:53heart and light of christ in october
  39. 1:551990
  40. 1:57it's a community that offers the depths
  41. 1:59of prayer and worship
  42. 2:01found in the monastic and contemplative
  43. 2:03vocation and yet engaged in mission and
  44. 2:07embraces the charismatic gifts
  45. 2:09the catholic community core elumen
  46. 2:12christi
  47. 2:13seeks to combine a life of prayer and
  48. 2:15worship with a ministry of healing and
  49. 2:18prophecy
  50. 2:19damien stein drives this ministry of
  51. 2:22preaching
  52. 2:23miracles and calling god's people into
  53. 2:26the promises of christ
  54. 2:28he has ministered in 25 countries
  55. 2:30equipping believers of every background
  56. 2:33to exercise spiritual gifts
  57. 2:35thousands are healed at his services and
  58. 2:38god has graciously used him to help many
  59. 2:40people experience the outpouring of the
  60. 2:42holy spirit
  61. 2:44damian and his late wife kathy have two
  62. 2:47children
  63. 2:48the family lives near london
  64. 2:50core elumen christie community
  65. 2:53consists of married people
  66. 2:55priests and single people from various
  67. 2:57nations
  68. 2:58they host about 20 conferences events
  69. 3:02and programs each year in different
  70. 3:04countries
  71. 3:05they lead miracle healing services all
  72. 3:07over the world at which people are
  73. 3:09privileged to witness extraordinary
  74. 3:11healings
  75. 3:12they have developed a street ministry
  76. 3:15prophetic ministry and an online
  77. 3:17teaching and prophetic appointment
  78. 3:19ministry
  79. 3:20they also have online miracle healing
  80. 3:23services each month watched by people in
  81. 3:26over 40 countries
  82. 3:27this community has canonical recognition
  83. 3:30and is deeply catholic while being
  84. 3:33enriched by the work of the holy spirit
  85. 3:35in the other churches
  86. 3:37damian welcome to the program
  87. 3:40well it's good to be with you and you
  88. 3:43and i have difficult names in different
  89. 3:45respects mine is hard to pronounce yours
  90. 3:48is a stain well let's get right into it
  91. 3:51who is damien stain
  92. 3:53you are a very popular name in the
  93. 3:55charismatic community we we know you're
  94. 3:58a well-known speaker an evangelist
  95. 4:00but we're really interested in knowing
  96. 4:03damien stain and the person you are
  97. 4:06today okay well i'm a catholic i was
  98. 4:08brought up in a catholic family
  99. 4:11my dad worked time for the church in the
  100. 4:141960s as a layman which was very unusual
  101. 4:17at work for the bishop and for a new
  102. 4:19movement
  103. 4:20in the 60s so we grew up in a context of
  104. 4:23radical catholic faith a lot of people
  105. 4:26young people coming to our house who've
  106. 4:28been brought back to the church by my
  107. 4:29dad so faith was a radical dynamic and
  108. 4:33primary thing in my upbringing
  109. 4:36in my teenage i went right off the rails
  110. 4:39uh ended up having
  111. 4:41the experience of being well i described
  112. 4:43myself as an experiential atheist i it
  113. 4:46wasn't like today atheism is like trendy
  114. 4:48i thought atheism was really boring and
  115. 4:50uninteresting but i i had an experience
  116. 4:53of the absence of god the emptiness of
  117. 4:56the universe it was experiential thing
  118. 4:59people talk about having a personal
  119. 5:01experience of jesus i had a personal
  120. 5:03experience of void in the universe and
  121. 5:06that led me that was because of the sins
  122. 5:08i was embracing the way of life i was
  123. 5:10involved in
  124. 5:12kind of had you know closed me down
  125. 5:14spiritually shut me down and then
  126. 5:16through the charismatic renewal i had a
  127. 5:18radical conversion
  128. 5:19i went through a
  129. 5:21deep healing and liberation and you know
  130. 5:24god really purified my life and then i
  131. 5:26became kind of radical christian
  132. 5:28i sold all my possessions gave them to
  133. 5:30the poor you know slept on the floor you
  134. 5:32know worked with people who were sick
  135. 5:34you know i i decided i was going to be
  136. 5:36the second saint francis as you can tell
  137. 5:38i was full of humility
  138. 5:40but a lot of zeal even if i was you know
  139. 5:43youthful arrogance
  140. 5:45and god was just very very merciful to
  141. 5:47me very kind to me
  142. 5:50but one thing he did give me he gave me
  143. 5:52a conviction
  144. 5:55that
  145. 5:56he has
  146. 5:57something exceptional for me in my life
  147. 6:02uh and so
  148. 6:03that helped me
  149. 6:05to keep setting the bar high you know
  150. 6:08not compromising on things i remember
  151. 6:10when i was at university i had all kinds
  152. 6:13of absolutely appalling temptations
  153. 6:16girls coming riding on my door you know
  154. 6:19come and have sex with me room number so
  155. 6:21and so or turning up at my door in their
  156. 6:24underwear
  157. 6:25you know these kinds of experiences and
  158. 6:26i was able to resist all of that by
  159. 6:28god's grace
  160. 6:30because i was able to hold on to this
  161. 6:33interior conviction that god had some
  162. 6:35destiny for me that was worth much more
  163. 6:38than all this rubbish that was being put
  164. 6:40in front of me well it sounds like
  165. 6:41you're in a beautiful place right now
  166. 6:43but one of the things you said really
  167. 6:45resonated with me you know you said you
  168. 6:47had a nothingness you had a void right i
  169. 6:50think the old saying is the universe
  170. 6:52abhors a void so the void is going to be
  171. 6:55filled up with something you
  172. 6:58would have failed miserably at the
  173. 7:01knocks and the door and the messages and
  174. 7:03and the invitations if you hadn't filled
  175. 7:06that void with something something very
  176. 7:09good and holy that's right i went along
  177. 7:11to a prayer group not because i believed
  178. 7:13in god my parents were going i didn't
  179. 7:15even know what it was
  180. 7:16uh and uh but i i was so desperate i
  181. 7:19went along i had long hair you know my
  182. 7:22clothes were a terrible mess i was into
  183. 7:24this whole rock scene you know all that
  184. 7:26and um
  185. 7:28i went and it's just mostly old ladies
  186. 7:30sitting around the candle you know and
  187. 7:31singing and the music let me tell you if
  188. 7:34you think black sabbath and ac dc is
  189. 7:37demonic music you should have heard the
  190. 7:39quality of this music it was so bad i
  191. 7:42mean they loved jesus but i couldn't
  192. 7:44wasn't jimi hendrix you know i mean it
  193. 7:46was just appalling but somehow the
  194. 7:49presence of god was there they loved
  195. 7:50jesus they loved me and i just couldn't
  196. 7:54not come back they i just
  197. 7:56i thought it was like going to the gym i
  198. 7:58thought these guys have stumbled on
  199. 8:00something they've got this peace i've
  200. 8:03got to have some peace
  201. 8:05but it's false i mean their premise is
  202. 8:07false
  203. 8:08you know but it's like maybe it's like
  204. 8:10kind of like yoga you know you do
  205. 8:11exercises and it makes you feel yeah man
  206. 8:14you know or you go to the gym you know
  207. 8:16i'm not promoting yoga by the way you
  208. 8:17you know you um go to the gym you know
  209. 8:20you lift weights and then you get
  210. 8:22muscles so i went to the prayer group
  211. 8:24and it was like well what do you do to
  212. 8:25get this piece and this little old lady
  213. 8:28said to me you know when you pray to
  214. 8:30receive the holy spirit dear you know so
  215. 8:32i started praying to this god i didn't
  216. 8:35believe in uh for something that i
  217. 8:37didn't have
  218. 8:38and god turned my life around and within
  219. 8:40a few months
  220. 8:42i believed that i had an experience of
  221. 8:44god existing i remember where i was
  222. 8:46standing i was standing talking to
  223. 8:48somebody after the prayer meeting which
  224. 8:50i found immensely boring and irrelevant
  225. 8:52i was just completely
  226. 8:54desperate
  227. 8:55for god but not god for peace
  228. 8:58and
  229. 8:59i was talking to a guy after
  230. 9:02the meeting and i was holding a cup of
  231. 9:04tea and i was still living a bad life
  232. 9:06you know one week i would be
  233. 9:08fooling around my girlfriend the next
  234. 9:10week you know i'd be at the prayer
  235. 9:11meeting next week you know it wasn't it
  236. 9:13was not an ideal situation but god's
  237. 9:15grace
  238. 9:16and uh and i was talking to him holding
  239. 9:18a cup of tea
  240. 9:19and uh suddenly as though something
  241. 9:24filled it's like in an instant i wasn't
  242. 9:27being spiritual
  243. 9:29suddenly
  244. 9:30everything behind me which was void
  245. 9:34suddenly filled with a person and it
  246. 9:36reached as far as my imagination could
  247. 9:39go and the universe had a person in it
  248. 9:43and that was my beginning and then i i
  249. 9:45knew that god was real and a few months
  250. 9:46later i i came to faith that jesus
  251. 9:50is lord
  252. 9:51and that that's what changed everything
  253. 9:52i experienced the outpouring of the holy
  254. 9:54spirit and then then my life took this
  255. 9:57radical turn and i got rid of everything
  256. 9:59i cut off all my friendships you know
  257. 10:01and i just went for jesus
  258. 10:03i don't know if everyone appreciates
  259. 10:04this but this radical turn convicted by
  260. 10:07the spirit is is real and it happens to
  261. 10:09people who are young like you or old
  262. 10:12but when did you experience god's
  263. 10:14calling to a full-time ministry so it's
  264. 10:17one thing to be changed and and
  265. 10:20fulfilled if you will and giving good
  266. 10:21direction it's another thing to give
  267. 10:22everything up and
  268. 10:24start
  269. 10:25a ministry tell me
  270. 10:27when did that first uh hit you so about
  271. 10:3018 months after
  272. 10:32i got converted i'd heard of a community
  273. 10:35in france the emmanuel community that's
  274. 10:37a big catholic charismatic community so
  275. 10:39i went to paris no money just trusting
  276. 10:42in the lord when and two friends wanted
  277. 10:44to come with me my brother and a friend
  278. 10:46and we went and we went to stay with
  279. 10:48them and while we were staying with them
  280. 10:50we had a few days with them and then
  281. 10:53uh and i'd left my job to do this
  282. 10:55because i didn't know when i was if i
  283. 10:56would come back or how long i'd be there
  284. 11:00and then they went on retreat and it was
  285. 11:02the private community retreat when i
  286. 11:03came back from that trip having been
  287. 11:05with a charismatic community and a
  288. 11:08contemplative monastic community i just
  289. 11:11couldn't
  290. 11:12decide i thought i have to have these
  291. 11:14two realities this experience of the
  292. 11:17glory of the holy spirit in the
  293. 11:19contemplative life in a life and the
  294. 11:21glory of the holy spirit in the
  295. 11:23missionary life
  296. 11:24so i just couldn't decide so then i i
  297. 11:27did sort of part-time jobs and filled in
  298. 11:29here and there and i did some worked in
  299. 11:31a christian bookshop you know and that
  300. 11:32kind of thing but my heart was already
  301. 11:34set i had to be in full-time ministry
  302. 11:37then i worked as a chaplain in
  303. 11:39university and then i felt i really
  304. 11:41needed to
  305. 11:42to get a degree people started saying to
  306. 11:44me well you need to at least be sensible
  307. 11:47so i thought well okay you know these
  308. 11:48wise people so i i went off and got a
  309. 11:50degree i qualified as a teacher i always
  310. 11:53knew i was called to teach i did a
  311. 11:54degree in theology and art
  312. 11:57and then as soon as i've done that
  313. 11:58degree i did a job for a short time and
  314. 12:00worked in a christian center kind of
  315. 12:02part time in each of those
  316. 12:04and the community was and we started the
  317. 12:06community but for me i'd known that you
  318. 12:08know from 1982
  319. 12:1083 just a year and a half after my
  320. 12:13conversion i had to be full time
  321. 12:15once the community started i could lift
  322. 12:17that that fully and then things began to
  323. 12:19escalate so damian that's been a long
  324. 12:22time early 80s you were
  325. 12:24did i say it right baptized in the holy
  326. 12:26spirit
  327. 12:28you left your job you went into
  328. 12:30full-time ministry when you look back on
  329. 12:32it it's a long time ago
  330. 12:34how do you feel about it share a little
  331. 12:36bit about that ministry and when you
  332. 12:37really when you founded it when you just
  333. 12:39got it started so so what happened we
  334. 12:42were a prayer group at university and we
  335. 12:44had an outpouring of power on the group
  336. 12:46tiny little group just six or seven of
  337. 12:49us eight of us maybe we had an
  338. 12:50outpouring of the power of god upon the
  339. 12:52group people were speaking in known
  340. 12:55languages they hadn't learned that
  341. 12:56happened to us
  342. 12:58several times german italian uh spanish
  343. 13:02gaelic you know this gift of tongues
  344. 13:04this was happening to us in the group
  345. 13:06and because we had students who were
  346. 13:08linguists they were saying did you know
  347. 13:10you're speaking in spanish did you know
  348. 13:12you're speaking in german did you know
  349. 13:14you were speaking in gaelic you know so
  350. 13:16it was very interesting experience and
  351. 13:18then we started um uh running healing
  352. 13:20things and lots of people were getting
  353. 13:22healed and so we were we realized that
  354. 13:25we had a call not just to preach but to
  355. 13:28preach with supernatural signs
  356. 13:30and then the year after that those
  357. 13:31things year or two after that the
  358. 13:33community was founded
  359. 13:34and it was founded with this mission to
  360. 13:36to live a light deep life of prayer
  361. 13:39in the eucharist
  362. 13:41with proclamation with signs
  363. 13:43and then we started getting known
  364. 13:45for these things and getting invitations
  365. 13:47and then the invitation started going
  366. 13:48internationally
  367. 13:50and then it all just snowballed well
  368. 13:52damian it sounds like it's a great
  369. 13:53success now and you're being very
  370. 13:55positive which is good
  371. 13:57allow me to be a little bit negative
  372. 14:00you know you hear us speaking in tongues
  373. 14:01and healings and there can be a lot of
  374. 14:03disbelief
  375. 14:05uh tell me about some of the challenges
  376. 14:07that you
  377. 14:08endured during those first years were
  378. 14:10there any setbacks i think most we've
  379. 14:13had extraordinary favor our bishops have
  380. 14:17been so supportive
  381. 14:19we've always been very transparent open
  382. 14:21with our bishops you know uh we haven't
  383. 14:24you know tried to hide anything um i
  384. 14:26think because we're very catholic you
  385. 14:29know we're very careful about our
  386. 14:30doctrine we work strongly ecumenically
  387. 14:34but our doctrine is really orthodox you
  388. 14:36know we've got a deeply author deeply
  389. 14:38rooted in the mystic tradition of the
  390. 14:40cat of the church you know and so i
  391. 14:42think the bishops we're very very
  392. 14:45careful with the you know the behavior
  393. 14:47of the young people uh you know we had
  394. 14:50no scandals by god's grace uh in that
  395. 14:52whole area uh and so i think the bishops
  396. 14:55just felt that we were doing things
  397. 14:57sensibly even though we were having this
  398. 14:59experience of great power
  399. 15:02and now we've got two scientists in the
  400. 15:04community
  401. 15:06and a couple of doctors so when we talk
  402. 15:08about uh what's happening as far as the
  403. 15:11signs and wonders are concerned you know
  404. 15:13we've got people who give a great deal
  405. 15:16of intellectual credibility to that side
  406. 15:18of things in the community so it's
  407. 15:20easier to accept damian you're a very
  408. 15:23positive person but tell me um when did
  409. 15:26things go badly did you always have
  410. 15:28enough money
  411. 15:29it always seems to be a struggle with
  412. 15:31ministries well we live on providence
  413. 15:33that i mean we live on providence so
  414. 15:35when we run an event uh we we say to
  415. 15:38people just just make a five pound
  416. 15:40registration and then we make a donation
  417. 15:43that way the poorest people
  418. 15:45who come to our events can afford to
  419. 15:47come and then we just trust that god is
  420. 15:49gonna make it up you know somehow um but
  421. 15:53there have been times when we were
  422. 15:54really poor really hard up uh you know i
  423. 15:57remember once it was so cold in this
  424. 15:59house this is a great big old kind of
  425. 16:01religious house we bought from the
  426. 16:02salesians and uh so it's a bit like a
  427. 16:05cave in places you know it's huge and um
  428. 16:09i remember it was so cold
  429. 16:11that uh the computers wouldn't work you
  430. 16:13know we were living off just pasta and
  431. 16:15beans sometimes you know and uh
  432. 16:19that was before all the ministries
  433. 16:21really got going you know we had to keep
  434. 16:23holding on and trusting god and you know
  435. 16:25the money would just you know would just
  436. 16:28arrive i think when you have hope
  437. 16:30hope is often forgotten you know when
  438. 16:32you have when god has engraved a vision
  439. 16:34inside you it's like the the obstacles
  440. 16:38while they can be very difficult and we
  441. 16:40have difficult times you know
  442. 16:43somehow
  443. 16:45they remain in their right perspective
  444. 16:49because hope is seeing beyond them
  445. 16:52constantly you know the the vision of
  446. 16:54what's coming is bigger than what we're
  447. 16:56going through right now and so you know
  448. 16:58we would pray a lot you know we would
  449. 17:00fast and we just kind of endured it and
  450. 17:03we had the god gave us the grace to keep
  451. 17:05going and we did feed our faith so we
  452. 17:07went and visited other communities who
  453. 17:09had passed through these times who were
  454. 17:12the other side of these the first birth
  455. 17:15pangs and that's very important we
  456. 17:17integrated many things from other
  457. 17:19communities that were working and put
  458. 17:21those into the life of the community and
  459. 17:23they kind of stabilized the community so
  460. 17:25god helped us a lot through others
  461. 17:27who've been gone ahead of us
  462. 17:29damon we all know that we can do no good
  463. 17:31without the grace of god and the holy
  464. 17:33spirit
  465. 17:34but realistically through this ministry
  466. 17:38perhaps thousands have come to know the
  467. 17:40lord better
  468. 17:41tell me tell me what does that does to
  469. 17:43your heart
  470. 17:45tell me how you feel
  471. 17:46when you can appreciate how god is
  472. 17:49working through you
  473. 17:51well
  474. 17:52it goes from weeping over my sins and
  475. 17:55with gratitude to the lord to just
  476. 17:58you know just this is this is how it
  477. 18:00should be this is this is like normal
  478. 18:02christian life you know you you command
  479. 18:05healing over a crowd and hundreds of
  480. 18:07people come forward to testify they've
  481. 18:09been healed you know or sometimes
  482. 18:11thousands you know and you speak to
  483. 18:15blind eyes and the blind eyes open and
  484. 18:18it becomes
  485. 18:19this normal you're living but actually
  486. 18:22in the gospel and in the book of acts
  487. 18:24this was normal
  488. 18:25i know in the vatican council documents
  489. 18:27it talks about these gifts as as
  490. 18:30exceptional
  491. 18:31you know or extraordinary rather
  492. 18:33extraordinary but actually christians
  493. 18:36are extraordinary that's our nature
  494. 18:39so the the miraculous is something that
  495. 18:42should be ordinary for christians
  496. 18:45although extraordinary for
  497. 18:47non-christians
  498. 18:48so jesus says doesn't it anyone who
  499. 18:51believes in me will perform the same
  500. 18:53works that i do
  501. 18:55now i'm not saying everybody's called to
  502. 18:56a platform healing ministry or a
  503. 18:58prophetic appointment ministry or you
  504. 19:00know these things that we do and all
  505. 19:01that or
  506. 19:03delivering people from spirits or
  507. 19:04whatever is the thing this is our joy
  508. 19:07that we see this sometimes we just stand
  509. 19:10and we feel like we're observers just
  510. 19:12watching the manifestation of god
  511. 19:14through us us for goodness sake us
  512. 19:18who are we
  513. 19:20and you know we i really feel this god
  514. 19:22chose us because we were nothing special
  515. 19:26we were the smallest prayer group in
  516. 19:28london
  517. 19:29and the fire of pentecost fell on us and
  518. 19:31this explosion of supernatural then
  519. 19:34erupted through the ministry damian the
  520. 19:36reality is that you're in london i'm in
  521. 19:39st louis and you have an impact in with
  522. 19:42folks all over the world and we have a
  523. 19:44gentleman who's with us who met you in
  524. 19:46lubin poland in 2001 you invited him to
  525. 19:49england to observe the way of life of
  526. 19:52koret lumen christie
  527. 19:54and he has been a member of the
  528. 19:56community a member of the evangelization
  529. 19:59team for many years
  530. 20:01let's hear from him now
  531. 20:04i met damian 20 years ago back in poland
  532. 20:07he was running under the first skyrim
  533. 20:09school what i saw an experience i have
  534. 20:12to say
  535. 20:13literally blew my mind
  536. 20:15this call
  537. 20:16to deep intimacy with the lord and also
  538. 20:20the call to preach the good news and
  539. 20:22expect signs and wonders
  540. 20:24and see so many miracles
  541. 20:27this made us
  542. 20:28to come to england and join this
  543. 20:30community because we wanted to
  544. 20:32participate and have experience of this
  545. 20:34early church communities it's a great
  546. 20:37privilege
  547. 20:39to see a man
  548. 20:40who has been called by god to be a
  549. 20:42prophetic sign to so many nations
  550. 20:46and see this
  551. 20:47biblical miracles and healings when
  552. 20:50blind see and
  553. 20:52death here and the lame walk
  554. 20:55and have this amazing prophetic
  555. 20:57experience and anointing
  556. 21:00and still remain a sincere
  557. 21:03and a humble man living a simple life
  558. 21:06in this community he is bringing up
  559. 21:08people next to him equipping them
  560. 21:11and
  561. 21:12sharing his heart but also he is the
  562. 21:15first one to admit his fault and ask for
  563. 21:18forgiveness
  564. 21:20we have had a long journey and he he has
  565. 21:23suffered because of my sins
  566. 21:25and
  567. 21:26greatly i would say
  568. 21:29but he has never
  569. 21:30given up
  570. 21:32on me and other people
  571. 21:34but most of all
  572. 21:36having
  573. 21:37and finding
  574. 21:38the true source of joy that comes from
  575. 21:41being
  576. 21:42being with the lord and those
  577. 21:45who truly loved us
  578. 21:47in all of this
  579. 21:48glory to god
  580. 21:51that was marcin stetner from
  581. 21:54core lumen christi community
  582. 21:58damien and i mean this in a very
  583. 22:00humble sense you are a gifted person
  584. 22:04gifted as in
  585. 22:05the parable where our lord talks about
  586. 22:08giving the 5 000 talents
  587. 22:11you have used this gift to train other
  588. 22:13people to grow the church
  589. 22:16tell me when did you first realize
  590. 22:18that this was your gift to pass on these
  591. 22:21charisms to multiply yourself if you
  592. 22:24will like talents to build the church
  593. 22:27i think i what i saw was that there's um
  594. 22:32there was a i res just read the gospels
  595. 22:34i looked at what jesus was doing
  596. 22:36and jesus wasn't building a monument to
  597. 22:39himself
  598. 22:40he wasn't building the jesus ministry
  599. 22:43you know international he was building
  600. 22:46people he was proclaiming modeling
  601. 22:49coming
  602. 22:51you know dying on the cross for us but
  603. 22:53he was empowering
  604. 22:55his body
  605. 22:57to do what he was doing
  606. 23:00to proclaim as he was proclaiming to do
  607. 23:02the signs that he was doing
  608. 23:04and it seemed to me that uh it's it
  609. 23:07what's needed in the church today
  610. 23:10is for the church to know what is hers
  611. 23:14what christ has
  612. 23:16obtained for us what his promises mean
  613. 23:20um
  614. 23:21and these promises apply to all
  615. 23:23christians there's nowhere in the bible
  616. 23:25that it says these are the signs that
  617. 23:27will follow damien stain it doesn't say
  618. 23:29that jesus has a vision for all
  619. 23:32believers to be mobilized and released
  620. 23:35into the earth
  621. 23:36and
  622. 23:37so for me this thing you can't strictly
  623. 23:39speaking train people in a charisma
  624. 23:41charism is a free gift but you can train
  625. 23:44people how to become more docile more
  626. 23:47receptive more responsive and our
  627. 23:50theology is that god wants to pour out
  628. 23:53these charisms so when the scripture
  629. 23:55says in paul
  630. 23:57earnestly desire the spiritual gifts it
  631. 24:00must be because god earnestly desires to
  632. 24:02give them so if your approach is that
  633. 24:07that god is earnestly
  634. 24:09desiring to give them when you run a
  635. 24:11workshop on healing your expectant faith
  636. 24:14is that he's earnestly desiring to
  637. 24:16release the gift of healing now it's not
  638. 24:18that we have to somehow pull it down
  639. 24:19from heaven he's already running into
  640. 24:22the room to pour these gifts out to
  641. 24:24anyone who's got an open heart to them
  642. 24:26we need something that says this is just
  643. 24:30not just a theoretical religion
  644. 24:32and jesus is alive and we're in a season
  645. 24:35now where god is pouring out signs in a
  646. 24:37new way because he sees the need of the
  647. 24:40hour
  648. 24:41our lord is working in the world in big
  649. 24:43ways even today glory to him damian
  650. 24:46thank you you are
  651. 24:48can i say it inspiring
  652. 24:50our lord invites us i've been inspired
  653. 24:55i've been inspired i just believed what
  654. 24:58jesus says that's all
  655. 25:00you know and if we could all just
  656. 25:02believe it our lives would burst into
  657. 25:05flames well damian that leads us to the
  658. 25:08final question that we'll leave with all
  659. 25:10of our viewers tonight
  660. 25:12how is god inspiring you
  661. 25:15to serve him
  662. 25:17our lord is tapping on the shoulder say
  663. 25:19yes open your heart
  664. 25:21he'll respect your no
  665. 25:23but you'll love it when you say yes
  666. 25:26thank you all for joining us and we'll
  667. 25:28see you on our next feature of a
  668. 25:30hundredfold
  669. 25:35[Music]
  670. 25:55towards god
  671. 25:57rise up

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