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0:00um ever since the um shock and um
0:06perhaps Elation of the
0:10election it has become very obvious
0:13that we're living in a in a new
0:16political
0:19environment um the response of the
0:22Democrats and the left to the
0:24election is so unusual unprecedented I
0:29think in my my adult
0:31lifetime I think one would have to go
0:33back to
0:351860 to see such a obstinate
0:40refusal to accept however grudgingly the
0:44result of a free
0:47election and clearly the political
0:50climate is
0:51different now what's actually going
0:55on for for a generation I think the left
0:58had a an
1:00incendiary
1:02accusation that it would almost
1:05habitually toss out pretty much every
1:08election
1:09season against us and that is that we
1:13the conservatives the Libertarians were
1:16the party of racism of
1:20racism and um this was a charge that our
1:24side was found almost unanswerable we
1:26typically go into a very defensive mode
1:29trying desperately to change the
1:32topic well in the last movie Hillary's
1:35America I tried to attack that charge
1:39head-on not not
1:43[Applause]
1:48defensively but but
1:50offensively uh really Shifting the onus
1:53and and saying listen you're actually
1:55blaming us for the stuff that you did
2:00uh and moreover you've never admitted it
2:03you've never apologized for it you've
2:05never paid one penny of restitution for
2:08it so you're kind of like the guys who
2:11poisoned the wells and are now
2:13pretending to show up as the water
2:16commissioner
2:18now this charge of racism today if you
2:22follow social media has lost a lot of
2:25its sting now when the left puts up its
2:28memes about the Republicans being the
2:29party of racism 20 other memes show up
2:33with Robert bird in the KKK outfit so
2:36there's there's powerful media counter
2:39punches uh and so the the race card
2:43doesn't quite have the power that it has
2:48had for so long and so what we've now
2:51seen is a pivot a pivot away from the
2:54race card to a card that is actually if
2:57anything even more incendiary and that
3:00is the fascism
3:02card and you know when we when we when
3:04we look at the media we see
3:07stories and we tend to look for lies and
3:12and there are there are often small lies
3:14that we are we catch so Hillary says oh
3:18the business in Benghazi was due to a
3:20video lie Obama says if you want to keep
3:24your doctor you can
3:25lie but these are these are sort of
3:28retail lies
3:30uh what interests me is the wholesale
3:33lies behind them in other words not just
3:35the story but what can be called a meta
3:37story the story behind the story and The
3:40Meta story of our time is that Trump the
3:44Republicans the conservatives the
3:46Libertarians we are the party of
3:49fascism we are the we are the neo-nazis
3:52of the 21st
3:54century now normally this is a sort of
3:58boilerplate rhetoric I have to say that
4:00to a lesser degree even Reagan even
4:02Bush the Nazi accusation was tossed out
4:06against them as
4:08well but now it's not just an accusation
4:12it is actually the
4:14justification for a lot of the crazy
4:18business that we see going on not just
4:20in politics but also in the
4:23culture and so when you see people
4:25blocking speakers on campus you say what
4:28are you doing how can you block speakers
4:29speakers from speaking on
4:31campus We Are The antifa Movement we're
4:35anti-fascists fascists have no right to
4:37free speech that's why we're doing what
4:39we're doing and we're fully morally
4:41warranted in doing
4:42so you disrupt the
4:45inauguration now you know I wasn't very
4:48happy about Obama's re-election but I
4:50wouldn't have dreamed of going down to
4:51Washington DC and throwing rocks at
4:54Starbucks and overturning cars what
4:56could be the justification for
4:58boycotting the inauguration
5:00disrupting it blocking it what could be
5:03the justification for what is clearly
5:05underway now which is a kind of effort
5:08at a disguised coup by a disguised coup
5:13what I mean is an effort to uproot Trump
5:16throw him out of there whether or not he
5:19did anything
5:22culpable the justification for it again
5:24is that Trump is a
5:26fascist was he elected sure wasn't
5:30Hitler elected in
5:311933 to a degree yes Hitler and musolini
5:35came to power I wouldn't say fully
5:36lawfully but with the quazi legal
5:39trappings of Law and so the the
5:42motivation of anti-fascism is that this
5:44is sort of Germany Circa
5:481930s and whatever we do I think in the
5:52name of one of these anti-fascist groups
5:53is by any means
5:57necessary to get rid of of this fascism
6:01that has evidently now come to
6:03America so now in this book I
6:07essentially take this accusation and dig
6:11into it now this is actually largely
6:14unplowed
6:15territory um admittedly uh hyek this is
6:19going back almost 75 years in the road
6:22to surum made the very tantalizing
6:24suggestion that socialism and fascism
6:27were cousins that their fight was kind
6:31of like the fight between the Shia and
6:32the Sunni or between the Catholics and
6:34the Protestants a fight on the left
6:38among two ideologies that actually had a
6:40lot of lot in common with each other
6:44Jonah Goldberg uh more recently did
6:47liberal
6:48fascism but even Jonah didn't really go
6:50to Nazism
6:54Nazism um ironically if you look at the
6:57history of the democratic party it far
7:00more resembles Nazism than fascism in
7:03this sense there's actually nothing
7:05inherently racist about fascism musolini
7:09was not a racist in fact musolini
7:11rescued Jews during World War II and
7:13blocked Hitler's efforts at trying to
7:16impose the final solution in
7:18Italy uh but what distinguishes fascism
7:23musolini from national socialism Hitler
7:27is that national socialism was inherent
7:29ly racist national socialism encompassed
7:33a kind of inherent
7:35anti-Semitism that distinguished it from
7:37melini's fascism now if you look at the
7:40history of the democratic party which is
7:42an almost uninterrupted history of
7:44racism going back 150
7:47years this racism far more closely
7:50resembles Nazi
7:53anti-Semitism than it does melini's
7:58Fascism what is fascism at its core the
8:02the ironic thing is that I I I'll listen
8:03to historians talking about Trump and
8:07fascism and they say well Trump's a
8:09fascist because he's a
8:11nationalist Trump wants to make America
8:13great again didn't Hitler want to make
8:15Germany great again Trump is a fascist
8:18because he's an authoritarian or because
8:21he's a militarist or because he's a
8:23xenophobe now what's really interesting
8:25is that all of these although features
8:27of fascism are are not essential
8:31features of fascism it's kind of like
8:33saying that because the American
8:35Founders were farmers that somehow
8:37farming was an essential element of the
8:40American founding no they happened to be
8:42Farmers but the American founding wasn't
8:45about
8:46farming nationalism is very common on
8:49the left and on the
8:51right Castro was a
8:53nationalist Gandhi was a nationalist
8:56chavara was a nationalist sty was a
9:00nationalist Mother Russia in other words
9:03nationalism is hardly an identifying or
9:06distinguishing characteristic of
9:09fascism now what fascism really is about
9:13in order to understand fascism we have
9:15to ask a simple question who is the
9:18leading thinker of
9:21fascism
9:23now with other ideologies you can say
9:26right away who's the leading thinker of
9:27Marxism well Marx
9:29who's the leading thinker of capitalism
9:31well Adam
9:32Smith who's the leading thinker of
9:35fascism Dead Silence why because
9:40something has been going on and that
9:42something that's been going on is that
9:44ever since World War II Progressive
9:47historians and Scholars who came to
9:49dominate Academia and have dominated it
9:51for the last 75
9:54years decided that it was rather
9:56inconvenient for us to know the
9:59ideological content of
10:02fascism that's why even today if you
10:04approach intelligent people on the
10:05street they can't tell you what fascism
10:07stands for by the way the leading
10:10thinker of fascism was a guy named
10:11Giovani jantile very well-known
10:14philosopher in the early 20th century
10:17close adviser to musolini became his
10:19education Minister wrote voluminously on
10:22fascism none of his works are even known
10:25why because when you start to read them
10:28they actually sound eerily similar
10:31eerily familiar and what I'm trying to
10:34say is that the reason we don't know
10:35gentia is not because his work is
10:38irrelevant and obscure it couldn't be
10:40more relevant so the first thing that
10:42Janti says is that the core meaning of
10:45fascism is to increase the power of the
10:48centralized
10:50State fascism is ultimately about state
10:54power and fascism is about
10:57ultimately extend ending State control
11:00over the life of the individual and
11:04producing later the Nazis would have the
11:06term for it the Nazis called it g
11:08shalang g shalang means making everybody
11:11March in loog step with the ideology of
11:15the state even in their private life so
11:18it's not just State control of
11:20Corporations State capitalism but it's
11:23State control of your life
11:29the other point that jti makes is that
11:31in order to achieve this fascism has to
11:33come out of the universities and go into
11:35the street he says we need Street
11:38fascism in which the ordinary citizen
11:41feels uncomfortable or intimidated into
11:46marching you may say in tune with the
11:48fascist ideology everyone is brought
11:51into
11:52line this is gentil so to read him today
11:56you almost feel like he is speaking
11:58directly to the antifa protesters on the
12:01street he's he's spouting an ideology
12:04that is familiar to us as
12:08progressivism except he calls it
12:11fascism so the remarkable feature of our
12:14time is that we seem to have an
12:15ideological
12:17fascism marching under the banner of
12:19anti-fascism
12:21and moreover the
12:24anti-fascists look like fascists
12:27costumed in black uniforms there
12:29resemble the brown shirts or the black
12:30shirts in melin's Italy they wear masks
12:33to hide their identity um they carry
12:36weapons uh and they use overt
12:40intimidation so the difference appears
12:43to be that the old fascists professed
12:45their label the new fascists purport to
12:49be fighting
12:51fascism
12:53now as I began to think about all this I
12:55started digging into the fascist ER and
13:00what turns out to be the very close
13:04kinship between the left and the
13:07Democrats in the United States and the
13:10Nazis and I just want to give a a
13:12glimpse of this I contend in the book
13:15that three of Hitler's most Central
13:19principles and and and um three of his
13:23most destructive and homicidal
13:26ideas he got Direct ly from the United
13:32States from the left and from the
13:34Democratic
13:37party now I'm going to talk about just
13:40one of those ideas here Hitler was
13:43sitting in lansburg
13:45prison and uh he was had not a whole lot
13:48to do so he'd read voraciously he
13:50developed an obsessive interest in
13:52America and he began to actually read
13:54about America in the 19th century he was
13:56especially interested in the American
13:58Indian
14:00and Hitler was at that time wrestling
14:02with a big problem and the problem was a
14:04German problem which is that Germany had
14:07this appetite for expansion laan's Ram
14:10living
14:11space and the normal outlet for that was
14:14colonialism because the British had gone
14:17abroad and conquered India large parts
14:19of Africa the French had established
14:21colonies in the Far East and the problem
14:23for Germany was there didn't seem to be
14:25a whole lot of other countries left to
14:28colonize
14:30and then Hitler got a big idea he goes
14:33we don't need to colonize in Asia or
14:36Africa or South America in fact who the
14:39heck wants to be ruling over a bunch of
14:40brown or black people he goes why don't
14:44we colonized right here in
14:46Europe he goes there's a model for this
14:49I've been reading
14:50about it's the Jackson Democrats and the
14:53way that they handled the American
14:55Indians what do they do they basically
14:58threw the Indians off their land and
15:00force them to relocate further west they
15:02displace them and dispossess them and if
15:06people remained they enslaved them he
15:10goes this is a fantastic model he goes
15:14here right around Germany we have Poland
15:18we have Western Russia we have the
15:21Slavic countries Eastern Europe he goes
15:24Germany's policy should be to throw
15:26those people off their land dispos them
15:29drive them further away resettle that
15:32land with by with German families and if
15:35any of them stay we'll make them
15:37slaves Hitler then lays this policy out
15:40in a formal document that I cite in the
15:43book now here's the point the point
15:44isn't that Hitler got his idea of
15:48Conquest from the Democratic party but
15:49he figured out how to do it how to do it
15:53just give you a glimp glimpse of a
15:54second
15:55example the Nazis
15:57meeting to discuss what would be then
16:00what would later be called the nurburg
16:03laws they aren't sure how to do it they
16:06aren't sure how to do it because first
16:07of all it's really difficult to identify
16:09who is a
16:10Jew intermarriage mixed marriages and so
16:14on and the second thing is they wanted
16:16to found the first racial state in the
16:18world a state formed in a sense on
16:20racial Supremacy but they couldn't find
16:23any example of a racial State anywhere
16:25else in the world so all the legal
16:27Scholars of the nurmberg
16:28uh laws couldn't figure out what model
16:32they could use what precedent they could
16:34use in order to establish this racist
16:37State and then one of the Nazis who had
16:40actually studied in the United States at
16:41the University of Arkansas submitted a
16:44report to Hitler basically saying I
16:46figured it out the Democrats in the
16:49American South actually have created a
16:52racial State they have not only
16:55segregation laws but State sponsor
16:57discrimination against blacks they've
16:59figured out how to decide who's black
17:02and moreover they have laws forbidding
17:04intermarriage between whites and blacks
17:07he goes we don't need to think this
17:08through it's already been thought
17:10through for us we just need to cross out
17:12the word black right in the word Jew and
17:15we're
17:16done now at this point one of the Nazis
17:20and by the way I'm I'm describing now
17:22the transcripts of an actual meeting of
17:24senior Nazi leaders who wrote the
17:27nurenberg legislation one of them says
17:30wait a
17:31minute uh in America H H how do the
17:34Americans how do the Democrats resolve
17:36the question of who is Black considering
17:39that there's been a lot of intermarriage
17:41even in
17:42America and the Nazi who studied in
17:45America goes it's very simple they have
17:47the one drop rule in the Democratic
17:49South if you have one drop of black
17:51blood you're black and all the Nazis
17:55without exception go that's too much
17:58that's that's that's excessive we can't
18:00go that far uh and ironically the
18:03nurenberg laws which were then adopted
18:05shortly
18:06thereafter essentially take a much more
18:09moderate position on on on who is a Jew
18:11you have to have three Jewish
18:13grandparents in order to qualify as a
18:15Jew so we have a little kind of irony
18:18which is that in examining the American
18:20race laws the most radical of the Nazis
18:23found them to be too much the Democrats
18:27have gone too far we can't really go all
18:29that
18:30way
18:32now I want to fast forward from all from
18:35this history and I mention it only
18:37because you would think that a history
18:41that is so rich with information uh FDR
18:45is dispatching members of his brain
18:46trust to melini's Italy for example to
18:49study the Italian model and bring it to
18:51the United States because he felt that
18:53fascism was more Progressive than the
18:55New Deal all of this stuff has vanished
18:58from our history books it hasn't
19:00vanished from history if it did I
19:02wouldn't know I wouldn't be able to find
19:03it it's there it's indisputable but it's
19:06been sort of you may say wided
19:08out and this shows us really the core of
19:12our big lie hit Hitler used the term the
19:14big lie but our big lie is the massive
19:18Pro Progressive project that's been
19:20going on for 75 years remember that
19:24early Fascism and Nazism had nothing to
19:27do with the Holocaust
19:29um today when we think of Nazism we see
19:31it through the lens of awit daa and so
19:35on so today it's very difficult to take
19:37Nazism and fascism even seriously as a
19:40system of thought but to try to
19:42understand those things really you have
19:44to recover the original fascism the
19:48original Nazism to understand why would
19:50anybody even go for this why would they
19:53be attracted to it but the point I'm
19:55making is that after World War II the
19:57progressives
19:59looked at the record and they said this
20:02is terrible if people knew about this
20:06nobody would ever vote for the
20:07Democratic party if people ever found
20:09out about this progressivism would be so
20:12irremediably stained that it would never
20:15recover and so a massive intellectual
20:18project then begins not a conspiracy but
20:20a kind of Harmony of Minds to retell the
20:24story and this is the key to cunningly
20:28move fascism from the left whereas it
20:31where it had always belonged where it
20:32was recognized to be by the fascists and
20:35the anti-fascists alike to move it
20:38cleverly into the right-wing column
20:41where here to for fascism could now be
20:44used against
20:47anti-fascists in other words the very
20:49party of limited government small
20:51government individual rights all the
20:53things the fascists hated those are the
20:56very people who could be called fascists
20:59it's an absolutely I think diabolical
21:03scheme imported to America largely by
21:08one man or I should say two men this is
21:11the Frankfurt School adorno a guy named
21:14Herbert maruza these are refugees from
21:17fascism but they were also
21:19marxists they knew the kinship between
21:22Marxism and fascism by the way if you
21:25want to know the origins of fascism
21:26fascism came out of Marxism molini was
21:29the Marxist the most famous Marxist in
21:31Italy and in fact musolini was a kind of
21:34you may say pen pal of Lenin when
21:36musolini came to power Lenin sent him a
21:38congratulatory telegram because Lenin
21:41recognized musolini as a fellow
21:44socialist revolutionary on the left on
21:47the left but when maruza came to America
21:50he had the mantle of being
21:54anti-fascist Jewish background German
21:57fleeing from fascism and so what maruza
22:01did was he helped reinvent fascism to
22:04equal
22:05capitalism fascism means capitalism and
22:08he also invented a slogan that could
22:10actually be the operating slogan of the
22:12left on the street
22:13today no free speech for
22:17fascists in any event all of this is
22:19discussed in the book it's a very rich
22:21book it actually took me places I had
22:23never been before I felt like this was
22:25territory I I I I knew from hyek and
22:28others
22:29but the book for me was a revelation all
22:31kinds of new stuff very damning very
22:34Timely

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