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0:04Hi guys! It's me, Eva, and I'm in Paris. I’m so excited! Today,
0:11I'm looking for a bit of adventure, you know? Maybe meet some French guys.
0:26The winner is... None other than the beautiful Eva Elfie.
0:32Thank you so much! What victories have you achieved so far?
0:39Quite a few, actually. The "Porn Oscar" is probably the biggest one.
0:45Two years ago, I was awarded the "Rookie of the Year" as a rising starlet.
0:50At the PornHub Awards, I also got the "Best Female Performer" as voted by women.
0:58Right. The Most Beautiful Kitty.
1:02There are indeed awards for the very best oral scene, too. And every single year,
1:07we end up with a vast multitude of trophies. Like the award "The Best Clip Artist",
1:15which is specifically for someone who shoots their own videos in the adult industry.
1:28Was this your first time at an event like this in the industry?
1:31Yes, it was in America. It was the PornHub Awards. I was nominated.
1:37It was incredibly exciting to travel all the way to America. We were the only ones from Russia
1:42and the entire CIS region. There was also one couple from Europe, they film without showing
1:47their faces and are very popular too. Honestly, in moments like these, you feel a bit out of place.
1:54Why is that? Because when you carefully look
1:57at all the American actresses—they typically have these noticeably big silicone breasts
2:01and enhanced butts. It’s so flashy.
2:03And I honestly feel like a naive schoolgirl; I don't fit into that widely accepted concept
2:08at all. I mean, I certainly know that in America and Mexico, they typically have,
2:13different tastes in women, and they like different content, and that’s fine.
2:17It's incredibly hard to fit comfortably into that crowd. It's tough because they all know
2:22each other already well, they work together. And you’re just someone from another country,
2:27and they don’t really know you. We didn’t win anything that time,
2:30got disappointed, went back to the hotel, and fell asleep. We didn’t even go to the afterparty.
2:36But the first time was strange because when you’re just starting out, as a newbie, you feel quite
2:41uncomfortable. But now, we’re there often, we know people, we can have fun together, share emotions.
2:49And there’s a sense of being significant in this community.
2:52Does this give you anything, like these awards? Maybe it raises your rates?
2:56Well, it doesn't bring monetary awards. They just send you a trophy.
3:02Yes, you can definitely increase your rates for your work. And there's another perk.
3:06You gradually become more popular and widely recognized in the community
3:11among various models and industry professionals.
3:23Hey, I need your help. When you and Artyom started
3:26doing this, was it pretty much the same as what we’re doing? Yeah, basically. You
3:32grab a camera, film, and upload the video. We’re on YouTube, and you’re on a different
3:36platform. Yeah.
3:37Our very first video was shot on a small GoPro camera, and I honestly
3:41have no idea why we chose that instead of a regular camera to make our initial content.
3:46The quality was terrible: bad sound, bad image. But I guess that rawness is what drew people in.
3:53I think everyone liked that there wasn’t any professional production involved.
3:57Then we just went and bought an iPhone and started filming with that using only
4:02natural light, without any extra lighting equipment. Here, you can play the director,
4:06you can play the actress, and you can come up with something creative and unique.
4:10Alright, so where do you think we should start? "I really don't know, maybe you could show me
4:14instead? "
4:16Can you help me choose swimwear for my school tomorrow?
4:20I think I know how I can help you. Really?
4:35It's so weird to be apart for a couple of hours when you're usually together
4:3824/7. We start missing each other. I understand that you only film with
4:48Artyom in your movies. Did you discuss this with him beforehand,
4:53or do you just not want to work with others? We did extensively talk about it. When we
4:59first started in this industry, we had an agent who said, "You can definitely make a lot more
5:04money. We'll find substantial work for Artyom as an actor too, and you'll get more lucrative
5:10gigs because you'll be working not just with him, but with various others as well. That way,
5:15you can undoubtedly earn significantly more." So, am I right in thinking Yulia is your first
5:22girlfriend ever? Yes.
5:25And you're not Yulia's first? Yeah.
5:28But now, all her shoots are just with you. Did you have a discussion about the possibility
5:34that fans might get bored and Yulia might need to work with different partners eventually?
5:39Yeah, we talked about it once. A lot of couples come into the industry,
5:45but many break up along the way. Agents and productions often push you toward what they
5:52call “growth,” which they describe as the need to progress and keep moving forward.
5:58First, you start with a regular scene, then they suggest adding more men, then something else,
6:03like shooting an international scene, and so on. and we really... we really had this kind of
6:10situation It happened to us too. And I think Yulia got the idea that if you want to advance,
6:16you have to work with different actors. I remember when we accidentally touched
6:22on this topic, it really struck me. Because initially, we had agreed on this.
6:29It was cool that we were sort of against the world, a unique couple, always together,
6:35no matter what. something like that. At some point, we realized that different
6:40experiments would destroy our relationship. And that's precisely when we realized that
6:47keeping our deep love and strong relationship intact was way more important to us than working
6:51with other actors. We knew we absolutely couldn't compromise our core values for money. We figured
6:59this out quite early on in our careers—we didn't want to experiment like that or risk our bond.
7:12Could you EXPLAIN the inspiration behind your entire appearance,
7:15including the choice of HAIR color, wear ELF ears, and HOW you achieved that charming girlnextdoor
7:21vibe? HOW did you decide THIS would work? I think that was mostly Artyom's idea. If
7:26you look at the typical adult film actresses, especially the American ones, they don't look cute
7:33They have silicone breasts and bodies that look very artificial. Artyom felt people
7:39lacked that sense of natural beauty. He said adult films had too few truly cute actresses.
7:46"There are no cute girls specifically for me," he said. He was twentytwo years old,
7:51and he didn't see girls of my type. He wanted to get excited about someone like a friendly
7:56neighbor girl or a classmate. Artyom lacked some simple and natural ones among all the videos.
8:02Yeah. And I think he really
8:04nailed it. He managed to create content that effectively showed beauty from a different angle:
8:10demonstrating that a cute girl can also be incredibly sexy and alluring and enjoy herself.
8:20Hi, it`s me, Eva Elfie. I want to be your girlfriend today.
8:34At that time, unusual porn was super popular, and girls were expected to be into guy stuff—like
8:40playing video games, knowing the latest memes, or skateboarding. You know, that kind of thing.
8:47And at some point, this idea really clicked, and Yulia gained a lot of fans. In fact,
8:54she eventually did start getting into video games for real.That's why it's even real.
8:58You know, that was a smart move because, honestly, every guy dreams of having a sexy babe by his side
9:05who gets him. Yeah.
9:07annoyed by video games, right? Absolutely, yeah. Maybe I’ve always
9:12wanted that kind of relationships. It´s weird when you really think about it. You're looking
9:17for both a friend and a partner at the same time. And for your partner to share all your hobbies
9:22and interests? Well, not really like that. Artem, it seems like you’re breaking the mold
9:29in the adult film industry. Everyone’s used to everything being artificial,
9:34almost like it’s not real, with no room for romantic relationships.
9:38It’s like a fantasy about something that will never happen in real life.
9:43So, you created this image of Yulia as a sweet and natural "girl next door."
9:49Yeah, exactly, the Girl Next Door. Yeah. I’ll say we were the first to do that.
9:55But if you think about it, we were probably the first to really succeed with this image.
10:00So, you could say you set the trend for this type of character?
10:06These are Russian girls. I’m just thinking of Jia Lissa. She’s that same type, a young, sweet girl.
10:12Yeah, but there’s a catch. She worked with professional productions,
10:16often filming scenes with older men. And that persona is different. She was
10:22immediately cast for VIXEN and other professional studios. And what was her look there? Like,
10:28a Parisian girl with a beret and chic clothes. So, it was something
10:32a bit out of reach, like from another world. It felt distant from the average person. But we
10:38tried to create something more natural and simple. Hey guys, today in my premium
10:43Snappchat my friend Jia Lissa. You two do this as a couple, almost like straightA
10:51students. It's pretty unusual and surprising. You might just change the game so much that
10:59people stop expecting regular girls to act like porn stars.
11:04I think we've really set a trend for this kind of natural, sweet porn. Without the
11:08extreme hardcore stuff, without any rough treatment of women in explicit sex scenes.
11:15And I distinctly noticed that after we started climbing the ranks on Pornhub,
11:20more actresses started making homestyle content quite frequently. I also observed that people
11:26began to copy some specific things from us, like certain poses and intimate scenes we had created.
11:32But it works. It still works. I'm very interested in understanding
11:35exactly where you draw the line: at what point is it just pornography, and where do you set the line
11:42separating it from cheating in a relationship? We're still figuring out those boundaries;
11:50it's part of our growth together. it's a little difficult for me to talk about this topic,
11:55but... Right now, if Yulia were to film with other men, I’d probably see that as cheating.
12:05If Yulia wants to continue developing in that direction, we’ll likely go our separate ways.
12:13We’ve discussed this in therapy, too. Again, it's a little hard for me to talk about it. So,
12:19overall, you could say we’ve started to separate ourselves a bit and aren’t
12:23as afraid of losing each other anymore. Right now, there’s no reason for a breakup.
12:29We’re more interested in sticking to the mainstream path.
12:34Listen, you two come up with all sorts of ideas. For instance,
12:38Yulia’s already done her first doublepenetration scene. What’s that about? Who’s the second guy?
12:44It’s me, I’m both the first and the second. Yeah, it was kind of funny.
12:49Explain how you did that. Is it one image overlaid on another?
12:54Yeah, yeah, just using AR masks. Or did you use a green screen?
12:56No, we didn’t use anything like that. It was just my ten hours of super
13:01meticulous work. I did that video in a really silly way. It probably shouldn’t have been
13:08done like that. I manually edited every frame. So, Yulia tried to move as little as possible
13:14in the frame. If you look closely, you can actually see the cut points,
13:20and it doesn’t look very dynamic. In that video, I first approached
13:26Yulia from one side, then from the other, and then I overlaid the AR mask, and voilà.
13:34There’s one where I just sit in a chair and watch Yulia having sex with, well, me.
13:42I think that video got a lot of hate. It was definitely a bit weird.
13:47But it turned out pretty cool, people liked it, and now I often see debates
13:50online. People write stuff like, "She only films with one guy!" And others respond,
13:56"No, I saw two guys in that scene!" People keep asking, "When are you
14:01going to do a gang bang?" But, I have this one super
14:04dedicated and loyal fan, and he knows very well that I only film with Artyom,
14:08and he's actually quite happy about that fact. He consistently shows me respect, and for him,
14:15it's actually a significant plus that I only shoot with one specific guy.
14:20We have our unique and quite special story. I frequently see a lot of requests where
14:25people eagerly want me to work with other popular actors, like the wellknown guy from Brazzers,
14:30for example. But I don't really want to just do what people ask if it means going
14:35against myself and my principles. I think my emotional comfort and overall wellbeing are
14:40significantly more important to me, after all. So, you’ve got this new Englishlanguage
14:51project going on. What’s it about? Yeah, that's right. We decided to
14:58start a YouTube channel in English. The idea of the project is that Eva
15:05Elfie goes to a different country and goes on a date with one of her fans from that country.
15:12We want to showcase cool spots and the cultural quirks of dating
15:15in these places, in different countries. I think it’ll be fun because, first of all,
15:23the fans are all waiting for it. They’re always saying things like, "Oh, Eva Elfie is in Rio!"
15:30Then there's a big buzz, people start sharing it. Whenever we go somewhere, we try to do something
15:37that’s interesting for the locals. Like, shoot a video with the country's flag,
15:41record some TikToks, or go to a football match. It’s actually pretty fun. People like it when
15:49we highlight local features. Will it look like a real date?
15:52Well, to be honest, we’ve already filmed the first episode. And it's a tricky question—does it really
15:58look like a date? Right.
15:59Because for me, it's also a jealousy issue—watching Yulia go on a date with someone.
16:04And filming it, am I right that you’re behind the camera?
16:06Yeah, it’s pretty weird. I’m behind the camera, and at some point, I’m like,
16:11“What was I thinking, why am I filming this?” Alright, so you’ve already shot the first
16:14one. What kind of date elements are there? There’s, like, a dinner, a walk together,
16:21that sort of thing. Well There wasn’t much physical contact,
16:26really. It’s more about the conversation. First of all, the guy had a girlfriend who
16:32gave him the okay to go on the date. I don’t know how that even works.
16:35You guys are something else! And then he…
16:37You’re all like that over there! Sounds like it. And he's also
16:40a Buddhist and works at a temple. So that's a pretty wild combo. And I really hope…
16:47Wait, did he ask the Lama for permission? That’s what I’m wondering.
16:51He took a day off; he was supposed to be working, but he managed to arrange it. What did he?... He
16:56helps out a monk, like cooking for him. Because monks aren’t allowed to cook or do things like
17:02that. So, he got a day off from the monk. a day... That's cool.
17:07Yeah, yeah. It was pretty cool,
17:08I really enjoyed it. It was so touching. I felt a bit down afterward, honestly,
17:13because he was just so happy. and He said it was the best day of his life.
17:19That’s just amazing. Yeah, he kind of broke my heart. It was all
17:25so unexpected. It was a strange mix of emotions. But I think after this shoot, we realized we
17:31stumbled onto something really interesting and should keep exploring this direction.
17:42I’m from Tomsk, and you’re from Omsk. These two cities always get mixed up.
17:48Yeah. Yeah. Can you remember your hometown?
17:50What did it look like? Cold, winter.
17:54I always remember lots of snowbanks and snow. Really cold, minus thirtyfive degrees. You’d
18:00stand at the bus stop, waiting forever. Especially when going to school,
18:05it was a struggle. You'd stand at the bus stop, dark, eight in the morning.
18:09You wonder why you bother getting up. It's so cold; you don't want to leave the house.
18:13Omsk is actually quite a depressing city, more so than many realize. There's a popular joke: "Don't
18:19try to leave Omsk." There's even a bar named that because, for some reason, people struggle to leave
18:25this city. Very few manage to do it successfully. Oh, really?
18:29Yeah. So, it kind of pulls you back in, huh?
18:32For some reason, people just can’t get out, even though they want to. They end up coming back.
18:38They try moving to Moscow or St. Petersburg to live and work, but it gets too hard,
18:42and they return. There are many stories like that. It used to be a very green city, and it was also
18:48known for its theaters because Omsk really does have a lot of theaters.
18:53The last time I was there was about two years ago, for New Year’s, before the war.
18:59In Omsk, the roads are bad, and everyone complains about the big potholes that
19:03make driving difficult. People don’t even want to start their cars because
19:07they’re afraid of damaging them on the roads. And also, when I fly from Moscow to Omsk, people
19:12on the flight are always so grumpy. I don't know why. Like, when I actually fly to other cities
19:17for visits or work, it's not like that at all. People in Omsk are angry because the salaries
19:22are low. My mom's salary was only a hundred and fifty dollars. How can anyone
19:27live on that? People there are really upset because they’re just surviving, not living.
19:31Tell me a bit about your parents. What did they do for work? How was your life growing up?
19:37I grew up without a father. I even have my mother's last name, not my father's. Although,
19:42as far as I know, they were together for ten years. But when my mom got pregnant, my dad wasn’t
19:47too happy about it. He said he didn't want kids. He said he wasn’t ready to give
19:52his last name to a child. I don’t remember my father from
19:55my childhood. Until I was five, he showed up occasionally, but then he disappeared.
20:00I lived with my loving mom. She was, young when she had me: she was twentyeight.
20:09I had a stepfatherwho raised me, and there were two stepfathers in
20:13my life. They were all good to me throughout. My mom had a business—she worked diligently
20:19at a local market and sold bricks. And it turned out to be quite profitable.
20:23Wow, really? Yeah.
20:25"We always had money. I remember being sent to Europe a lot while I was in school. We went to
20:31France, traveled to Germany and Poland. We took road trip across Europe. I was always sent to
20:36different exciting camps for the entire summer. "
20:39I got a bike, a computer. So I can’t say I had a poor childhood—everything
20:43was fine until a certain point. Then my mom changed jobs, and we had less money.
20:50She started working as an administrator at a sauna.
20:55That’s when things got tougher. I was around sixteen and realized my parents couldn’t meet
21:00all my needs and wants like they used to. I had to work diligently as a waitress,
21:04during the long summer months to buy necessary things for myself, basically.
21:09Honestly, I'm not too happy about having to grow up and take on responsibility so early on..
21:14Let’s talk a bit about your father. Do you understand his actions now that you’re an
21:18adult? Why did he do what he did? Was it your mom’s choice—she wanted a child, and he didn’t?
21:27Or did he just not have any fatherly instincts? My mom didn't want to have a baby. My grandmother
21:33pushed her into it because she was twentyeight, and at that time, that was considered late
21:37to have a child, so she had to do it. They called it being an "older mother."
21:41Yeah, exactly. I understand there was probably
21:45pressure from her parents to have the baby. Actually, my mom always told me, and she still
21:51says to this day "Don't rush to have kids; live for yourself, there's time for children later."
21:57I think she felt that way too, deep down inside. Are you okay with this fact?
22:02I... How does it
22:03feel to know you were an unwanted child? I worked through it with a psychologist because,
22:08of course, it’s a tough topic. I probably spent two years on it with a therapist. And now I can
22:13talk about it easily, with a smile. But honestly, it’s a hard thing for any child. You really have
22:19to accept the fact that you weren’t wanted. But, in the end, my mom raised me. She gave
22:27me everything she could. She truly loved me. I can’t be upset with her because of that situation.
22:32But did you feel it as a child? That you were unwanted, unloved, that sort of thing?
22:38I can definitely say I probably didn’t get enough attention from my mother growing up.
22:42Because she was always working. I spent a lot of time with my
22:46grandmother. After school, I’d always go to her place. My mom never took a break,
22:50and she still doesn’t know how to. I don’t know why, but many people from the Soviet Union lack
22:55the habit of resting. For my mom, resting means going to the garden after work. To her,
23:00that’s rest, even though it’s actually hard work. We almost never went on vacations together, like
23:07other families often do. And I just deeply missed that basic attention from my parents as a child.
23:13I don’t mind picking weeds, but I won’t collect Colorado beetles.
23:17There aren’t any, I got rid of them. Gina! Yulia, please give her some raspberries.
23:23Why does she need raspberries? She eats raspberries.
23:26How open are you with your mom? How much do you actually share with her?
23:30We’re not close at all. I don’t have that same emotional connection with my mother
23:35that other people often have with theirs I don’t really share my achievements
23:39with her at all. We hardly tell each other anything meaningful.
23:43We probably talk once a month. I can chat with her, but it’s not as
23:48close as I see with my friends. For example, some of them have moms who are like best friends—they
23:55go places together, share gossip, talk every day, and discuss everything. I never had that.
24:09How did you meet Artyom? We met in Omsk.
24:14We've known each other for a long time. He was friends with my exboyfriend.
24:22They were close. And after I broke up with my ex, Artyom and I started dating.
24:29What attracted you to him? What did you like about him?
24:33I have a bit of a thing for really smart guys. And he's one of the
24:37smartest people I’ve ever met in my life. He finished high school with honors, no,
24:43with a gold medal, graduated university with distinction, and even got a master’s degree. He’s
24:52a good lawyer, fluent in English, and he started discovering more of his talents—turns out he sings
24:59well and learned to play the guitar. Yeah, yeah.
25:03I look at him and admire how he can learn new things on his own without any help,
25:07and it comes so easily to him. You know, some people are just talented in everything they do. I
25:12look at him and realize he’s one of those people. You’re a lawyer by education. Tell me,
25:20how far did you get in your career? What kind of legal positions did you hold?
25:27I worked as a simple legal counsel at a company that sold children’s toys. My father is also a
25:33lawyer. Before that, I was an assistant lawyer. When Yulia and I were still living in Omsk,
25:40I did small legal tasks. It was basically my first official job.
25:45Did you learn, well how to say, anything about the legal system in Russia?
25:49Every time I read the news, I think: how is this even possible? Why did I even study law? Like,
25:55how? How do lawyers study these days? Most of the rules are about public law,
25:59not private. But all these public law norms are so easily broken, and it’s really sad.
26:06I think it’s a big pain for all lawyers now, especially those working in criminal
26:11law. I can’t imagine how they cope. I feel like they must feel so powerless,
26:15they probably just want to cry from frustration. What’s his family like? Is he the “golden
26:21child” every mom talks about? Yeah, his father is a lawyer
26:24and a former police officer with years of experience. His mother is a child psychiatrist.
26:29They’re a very welleducated family overall. They invested a lot in his education,
26:34sent him to various English courses, and made sure he consistently did well in
26:38school. He also has a younger brother. For example, my mom never even checked
26:43to see if I did my homework on a regular basis. She doesn’t have a formal education—she dropped
26:48out of a construction college before completing her studies entirely. It was a big surprise for
26:53her that I graduated with honors as well. She said with genuine pride, “Amazing!”
27:02Some men have two wives. A woman, even in a civil
27:05marriage, still considers herself married. How well did you fit into Artyom's family,
27:13or were you always kind of on the outside? Now we’re all friends, and we often go on
27:18family trips together. I finally felt what it truly means to be part of a family. It
27:24was really nice and sweet when his mom created a family group chat on Telegram and called it
27:29Family.” Every day, she writes, “Good morning, family! How are you all? Please send photos!”
27:35We went together to vacation in Thailand for a month. A year ago, we went together to Bali,
27:41showed them. That is, I feel a genuine interest, that it's truly important to them
27:44how we're doing in our lives. They want to share their emotions with
27:48us. They want to spend quality time with us. They want to spend time with us. And so I felt what
27:51it's like to be in a family.
27:54That's wonderful. My mom misses Yulia a
27:57lot. She actually talks to her more than with me. They somehow managed to connect. In the beginning,
28:05it was tough—it’s a classic story. I’ve read and seen that there’s often skepticism and judgment,
28:14and it was difficult. That’s probably why we had conflicts.
28:20You could feel a sort of rejection. But then everything became great.
28:28At what age did you realize you wanted to leave Omsk?
28:34My first attempt to move to another city was when I was about
28:39nineteen or twenty. I tried... to move. But after a month, I came back to Omsk.
28:47Because you can’t leave Omsk. Yeah.
28:50Then I approached it more seriously: with some savings, knowing I’d need to rent an apartment,
28:55and I took a more mature approach to moving. I transferred to another university and quickly
29:00started actively looking for a job to help support myself financially..
29:08At around seventeen, I already knew I wanted to leave Omsk.
29:11What was the most depressing thing about being there?
29:14I didn’t feel like I could grow in Omsk. I didn’t get into acting school, and my parents were
29:20against me moving to Moscow or St. Petersburg to study. They said, “How will you live there?
29:25We won’t be able to support you financially. It’s better to stay in Omsk and get a job. You
29:29can apply for a statefunded spot somewhere.” "I didn’t get a statefunded spot in theater
29:37school; they said I could only study if I paid. At that moment, we couldn’t afford tuition,
29:41so I studied journalism. ."
29:43And I realized I just couldn’t develop in this city any further. I like creative professions,
29:47and there’s no real growth opportunity in Omsk. I even tried working at the first city TV channel.
29:53At the aviation college, they have meticulously set up a realistic mock hospital ward. This
29:58is where six skilled participants will compete intensely for the title of best medical and social
30:03care worker. How are you feeling? Alright.
30:06Yeah, it's all interesting, but it doesn't pay. Why should I spend my time and energy just out
30:11of curiosity? I feel like I have ambitions, and I want to try new things, work, and connect with
30:17interesting people. Of course, Moscow and St. Petersburg are always the hubs for creative
30:22people. There's always work there. I think only someone lazy wouldn't find a job in Moscow.
30:27That's true. I think so too. Did you always want to be an actress?
30:31Yes. Where did that desire come from?Well,
30:35you know Did someone inspire you? something I acted in theater during school, and it just
30:41seemed completely normal to me at the time. I realized I genuinely enjoyed performing on stage,
30:46expressing myself creatively, creating something, and working with a director.
30:51Why were your parents against you becoming an actress?
30:55They weren’t against me being an actress, but they were against paying for my education
31:01because they didn't have that kind of money available. Acting school is usually quite
31:05expensive. Even in Omsk, there's only one university that offers a degree in acting.
31:10And the tuition was two thousand dollars a year, which is a lot for my parents, considering my mom
31:15earned one hundred fifty to two hundred dollars. That's a whole year's salary.
31:19It's impossible. Yeah.
31:21Hard to imagine. I worked as a waitress and earned three hundred dollars back then.
31:26More than your mom. Crazy, right? Yeah.
31:30So Why did you decide that you didn't GO TO Moscow or St.Petersburg to apply?
31:35Because I didn’t have the means to do it. It would’ve been possible with my parents’ support,
31:39but they didn’t have the money at the time. In the end, you went to journalism school
31:43at Omsk University. Yeah, but I completed
31:45the correspondence course and paid for it all by myself. I worked as a waitress to cover my tuition
31:50expenses. I paid entirely out of pocket for the first year of my studies. Then, they opened
31:56statefunded spots for the correspondence course, and I happily transferred there.
32:01I enjoyed studying. I liked that I was gaining new experiences. Of course, studying in Moscow
32:07would’ve been much more interesting because the teachers would’ve been more modern. We weren’t
32:11studying outdated journalism that’s no longer relevant but something more suited for the
32:15modern world. It was much more engaging. Besides, I think studying journalism in
32:21general helps you grow as a person. It’s a good experience. And studying
32:27journalism helped me as a blogger. Creating the YouTube channel.
32:32I learned how to film, for example, how to use a camera—we were taught that. How to take photos,
32:38speak, write scripts. There was also some psychology.
32:42That was helpful. This scene is about
32:49me being a fan of a football team, and there’s a player I like. He wants to give
32:53me a tour of his house, and of course, I agree. So, you both already moved to Moscow together?
33:00Yes. Artyom was applying for his master’s degree in Moscow, and I said it was a great opportunity
33:06and we should give it a try. I told him if he got in, I’d transfer there, and we’d live
33:10together. I think it was good motivation for him. We could move and start a new life together. I
33:15wanted to try something creative—to become an actress or a model. I did some extras work for
33:21REN TV; I think it was a show called “Court Hour.” It was fun, and I thought it was a cool idea.
33:29You could go to these gigs and act in small TV shows to gain valuable experience. And then I’d
33:33have a portfolio to showcase skills, and maybe something interesting and exciting would come
33:37up that could lead to new opportunities.. That's how I came across an agency in the
33:44Czech Republic that had an ad: looking for models. Height didn’t matter, age eighteen to twentyeight.
33:51I was always held back in modeling because my height—163 cm—was too short for runway modeling.
33:57That’s short for a runway model. Yeah.
34:00Yeah, but it's okay for a photo model. So, I saw the ad looking for models and decided
34:05to apply. It turned out to be a porn agency from the Czech Republic, and they offered me a shoot.
34:14The deal was that I had to work hard as a nude model in photoshoots. I thought “Okay that works
34:20for me I had some experience." Are you ready?
34:22I want the eyeliner to be higher. Okay.
34:32I went to a photographer in Omsk to do a nude photoshoot. My friend from the
34:37theater had already done such shoots and said the pictures turned out cool. Just bare chest,
34:44beautiful poses, heels, lowcut tops, skirts. It was probably also about exploring my
34:50sexuality. It’s really interesting to feel yourself in that image, beautiful, sexy,
34:54figuring out what suits you, what doesn’t, and getting comfortable with your body.
34:58Can you recall your first feelings? It’s quite tough to undress in front of a camera. It's not
35:05the same as being at the doctor’s. Yeah.
35:09Yeah, and at such a young age: eighteen, nineteen years old.
35:13You probably felt some embarrassment? I mean, you don’t know the person, and photographers
35:18are usually older men. And at that age, you might not fully understand your boundaries.
35:24There were no inappropriate advances, nothing like that.
35:27But it's easier for a photographer to direct you because you're not a professional model; you just
35:32came in. You might agree to things you wouldn’t otherwise, like being more exposed or revealing
35:38more. And that made you feel a bit uncomfortable. So, then you went to the Czech Republic.
35:43When we were filming in the Czech Republic, I found out I also needed to do a masturbation
35:48video. I wasn’t ready for that, so I felt tricked. But the photographers we worked
35:54with—a husband and wife—were really decent. They specialize in new girls in the industry,
36:00those just starting out. This couple had a really good approach: they were kind, open, and made it
36:07clear they didn’t want to deceive anyone. We got along pretty well, and I thought,
36:11since I was already there, okay, I'd give it a try. I just had to get into it, feel it out
36:17carefully. Over time, I started enjoying shooting porn because I relaxed, figured out what I liked,
36:23and started feeling more comfortable with my body. It became more fun and enjoyable.
36:27At first, when you try something new for first time, you always feel a bit insecure because
36:32you’re the newbie in that particular environment. And yes, I was masturbating, but I never imagined
36:39I’d have to do it in front of a camera. And you have to make it look good and sexy,
36:43not like how you’d normally do it at home—in a comfortable position,
36:47without any expression, just for yourself alone. At home, you could do it in glasses and a mask.
36:51But here, you need to look sexy, make enticing sounds, and convincingly show that you're
36:56thoroughly enjoying it. And of course, it's not natural or spontaneous at all,
37:00so you have to act and perform for the camera. And you wonder, am I even doing this
37:06right? Is it sexy? Is it sexy at all?
37:10Yeah. So, I worked a few times like that, then I asked, "Can you film me with my boyfriend?"
37:16They said yes they could do it. Maybe both of us decided to do it for the
37:20money. At that time, I was already exhausted; you knowI was going through a tough period:
37:27I worked from eight in the morning to seven in the evening, then rushed to my master’s classes,
37:32often late. I’d be there until late at night, then go home and prepare for the
37:36next seminars or do work assignments. I got a maximum of six hours of sleep and traveled all
37:42across Moscow. Just to get everywhere on time. So yeah, I was a bit tired and thought this would
37:48be a good way for us to earn some money. you know I mean, in one day, I’d make a month’s salary,
37:55and we’d get to have sex too. i don't know Was this your first time having sex in front
38:02of other people, a couple of strangers? Yes, it was my first time. It was pretty
38:07hard. Usually, on set, there’s a couple: the man films most of the video, and the woman usually
38:15takes photos or assists with the filming. For the first shoot, I asked if she could film us because
38:23I felt uncomfortable with a male cameraman. Usually, there are pauses during the shoots,
38:28like when they move the camera or change the angle. But she moved so quietly, like a ghost. We
38:34were just having sex, and she was filming, trying not to disturb us and not commenting on anything.
38:41I think we owe her a big thank you for creating a comfortable environment. Because, I think, if the
38:45cameraman had made us uncomfortable, we might have lost interest in filming right away. Then
38:49we probably wouldn’t have continued shooting. But with her, everything was fine, so we just
38:55tried to have sex in the same way we normally do. How do you make sense of this? Artyom is a shy guy
39:02who spent his whole life studying, and then this. Yeah.
39:06I think he has his own sexual desires and fantasies. He didn’t have a girlfriend for this
39:11before, but now he wants to explore his sexual potential and is interested in some experiments.
39:18I can confidently say that he's quite sexually active.
39:24I think he found his own benefits in this: he could fulfill his fantasies and have sex more
39:30often than before we started doing porn. you know. Well, not everyone can do it on
39:37camera. A girl CAN fake it, but a guy CAN'T. What do you think about that?
39:43"Yeah. I think a big motivation for him was his genuine love for me. He was completely willing to
39:49do it all for me without any hesitation. "
39:53Maybe he was genuinely afraid of losing me if he refused to go along with it. Of course,
39:58that wouldn’t have happened, but in the beginning of a relationship, when you’re deeply in love,
40:03you might do things that don’t really align with who you truly are. You’re willing to do a lot just
40:08for your partner’s happiness and comfort. How much did you earn back then?
40:13For our very first shoot, Artyom and I were paid two hundred dollars for a boygirl scene.
40:18But normally, the minimum rate for that kind of scene is five hundred dollars.
40:23That's almost half, or even less. Two and a half times less.
40:27Yeah, it was disappointing. And when I did solo scenes, they only paid me fifty dollars.
40:33The minimum rate is one hundred fifty. They often try to make money off newbies,
40:38and that's a significant downside. I had no one to turn to when I started because I didn’t know
40:43anyone at all in the industry. And at first, it felt like some actresses didn’t even want to say
40:48how much they were making, like it was some kind of secret. And you think: why is that? We’re all
40:53in the same boat together. Why not share? Yeah, yeah.
40:56If you work for a higher rate than I do, then I'm undercutting the market for everyone. Eventually,
41:01other productions will start hiring models for lower rates. You're making it harder
41:06for yourself and for others in the industry. Then we started traveling to Europe more often to
41:11shoot for different productions, and he thought: why should we go somewhere to shoot by someone
41:17else’s script? Artyom is quite reserved by nature, and it was hard for him to work effectively with a
41:23professional team. He suggested, “Why don’t we try filming ourselves and upload videos on Pornhub?”
41:36We tried it, and it turned out to be much more effective than we expected. Artyom
41:40and I spent less emotional and physical energy because we were creating our own
41:45comfortable working conditions and didn’t have to adjust to anyone else's preferences.
41:49Then he got the idea to create his own channel and make content independently,
41:54rather than working for someone else. Working for productions is emotionally challenging.
42:00We had to carefully schedule sex at specific times because the location was booked solid, and
42:05all expenses had already been covered in advance. The benefit of working for ourselves is that we
42:11choose our own schedule. We shoot whenever we want and when we're in the mood. Even if we’ve
42:15scheduled a shoot and then lose the mood, we can reschedule. But when you work for someone else,
42:20you're always confined to a schedule that demands you get turned on and
42:24start having sex right then and there. At some point, we realized there’s no
42:28point in emotionally forcing ourselves. Why push ourselves to do something that doesn't
42:34bring joy? For what exactly? Is it just for money? That stopped being motivating.
42:39Initially, yes, money was the main driver, but now it’s not.
42:46And since making that decision, our results have actually improved. Many actresses working
42:51in studios don't get it: you can put in the same effort and make two to three times more by working
42:58for yourself. But a lot of actresses don't
43:01want the responsibility of editing, filming, lighting. It means finding additional people,
43:08managing things. It’s easier for them to just show up, do the work, get paid, and leave.
43:15You can take the white chair. Or, yeah, maybe move her around so her legs aren't touching the floor,
43:22so you can add a background later. And just take pictures like that.
43:25When we were in the process of filming a major production centered around the adult industry,
43:31Yulia Grandi, who is recognized as the leading producer responsible for Russian models working
43:36internationally, always says, “The first thing I tell everyone is that anyone can see your video.”
43:42Yeah. “What goes online,
43:45stays online. Don't expect only Americans to watch it, thinking your mom in Russia will
43:50never find out.” Were you ready for the day your mom might call, yelling, or something like that?
43:59We weren't really prepared for it, obviously. But back then, I just didn’t think about it at all. I
44:05didn’t think about people finding out and judging us for our choices. It
44:08didn’t really bother me in the slightest. You eventually realize you won’t be going
44:11back to what's considered “normal” society. You’re kind of a lifelong outsider now.
44:20Yesterday, I was having a conversation with Slava and said, 'I just imagined the absolute horror of
44:25having to work in an office five days a week.' It was hard to predict how big the consequences
44:34would be, that everyone would actually find out, and we’d start facing issues. I was
44:41worried about getting kicked out of university or having my workplace find out what I do. These
44:47were more about current concerns—like we were in a shaky situation, and our normal
44:54lives could easily fall apart at any moment. I think we understood well that once we took
44:59part in a shoot, there was no turning back. And this will be found out and this will come
45:07to light. It will be difficult to live. And here, like, well, the choice was such very difficult.
45:13But I’m a curious person; I love taking risks and trying new things.
45:18At some point in Omsk, it felt like everyone knew. Because it's such a closeknit community,
45:28everyone knows each other. At my university, you know OMGU, the news spread like wildfire.
45:35Everyone found out, and everyone started talking about it. you know it's wild"
45:38Did you have a time when this was tough for you? Or did you enjoy it, find it amusing?
45:43Well, probably at first, I pretended I didn’t care. But, of course, it was stressful. I didn’t
45:51want my parents to find out, but I didn’t have the courage to tell them everything.
45:57Overall, the main thing for me was that my friends didn’t turn their backs on me. They supported me,
46:03and that’s really great, in my opinion. It was important.
46:07Are you sure they fully understood? Or maybe they just pretended to accept and understand?
46:13It doesn’t really matter. The important thing is how I saw and felt about it.
46:17That’s an interesting question. For example.
46:23We often go to the States, and there's this culture of small
46:26talk—little conversations, brief encouragements. Is it worth wondering if they’re sincere? Do they
46:32genuinely support or sympathize with you? I mean, they say supportive words, so maybe
46:37it’s best to just take them for what they are It’s not so much admiration, but it’s surprising.
46:41Agreed, agreed. You wouldn’t act that way yourself,
46:42but they can. And you think, “Wow, really?” I don’t know if I should say this in front of you,
46:48but in our circles, this person was considered extremely modest, very lowkey. And then, suddenly,
46:54everyone finds out they’re in adult films. Yeah, it’s definitely strange.
46:58All my close friends who knew me well weren’t shocked because
47:01they understood what kind of person I am. I was pretty open. I was the kind of person
47:08who would talk about sex with friends, make jokes about it. I often made dirty jokes, and
47:14my friends would say, “We might think of something dirty, but you’re the one who’ll actually say it.”
47:19How did your parents react in the end? How did they find out?
47:25My mom and younger brother came to visit us in Moscow. By that time,
47:30we were already quite popular. We were walking down the street,
47:33and people often came up to us for photos. In Russia, people recognize us a lot.
47:39And they usually ask, “Are you really Eva Elfie? Am I not mistaken?”
47:45After about the third time, my mom asked, “Who do people keep mistaking you for? Who
47:49is this person anyway?” Then she just Googled it and found out everything.
47:57well, you know That was a turning point, and it was clear how her mood changed.
48:03And then I just had a talk with her about it. It was tough. She cried a lot and was really
48:08worried. She was also very scared at the time. She was afraid of possible legal consequences.
48:14Because of the unclear status? Yeah, the unclear status,
48:17exactly. And she probably read something about it somewhere, which is why she started worrying.
48:23I explained the main points to her. That it’s just the two of us shooting, that everything is fine,
48:29that we wouldn’t go to jail. I said, Well, I think it's clear what she was worried about.
48:35“We definitely won’t be jailed.” I wasn’t completely sure, of course, but I said we
48:40definitely wouldn’t be. Aaand
48:43Well, I managed to tell her. It didn’t help her much then, of course. She needed
48:50time to process and accept it. And I’ve never talked about it with my dad at all.
48:57It’s like we just pretended everything was fine. Everything is fine,
49:00in general. Well, it's a little complicated. Does he know about it?
49:02Yeah, he knows, of course. I think my mom told him right away.
49:05Maybe she was worried about him and didn’t Well, no, definitely not. And there were
49:11already so many stories, publications in the media, even in Omsk. But I’m 99% sure
49:20she called him on the very first day to get some legal advice. She wanted to know
49:25if her son could end up in jail or not. It really bothered me a lot that I should
49:30tell my parents about this important matter because I didn't want my mom to find out from
49:35someone else unexpectedly. I felt that the worst thing would be if she heard lies or rumors that
49:41could affect her. It was very important to me to tell her everything personally and honestly,
49:46to ensure she understood the situation. So, I told her that.
49:51And there was this funny story that my stepfather actually knew from the very beginning
49:56that Artyom and I were filming. And he didn’t tell my mom at all.
50:02Yeah. Then my mom told me about it.
50:07When I told her, she probably went to discuss it with my stepfather. He said, “Yeah, I knew,
50:12but I didn’t say anything because I didn’t want to upset you. I thought
50:15you two would figure things out on your own.” And she said, 'Well, that was actually quite
50:21good of him to wait so long without saying anything. He didn’t say anything for about two
50:25and a half long years, which is impressive.' Of course, I really respect him for that. I
50:30like that he didn’t interfere, didn’t try to influence things, and just waited patiently
50:35until I was ready to tell everything myself. But my mom wasn’t against it. The only thing
50:41she said was, “I hope you’re filming with Artyom,” because she was worried about our relationship.
50:47She thought if I was filming with other men, it could hurt Artyom since he’s a sensitive person.
50:52I said everything was fine, we work only together. No one’s getting hurt; it’s our choice.
50:58My mom said the only thing is, as long as you’re young, as long as you’re beautiful,
51:01if you enjoy it, then go ahead. How did you present it to her in
51:05the end? Or who told her? I. We went to Omsk.
51:11I would occasionally send her various pictures from my shoots.
51:14Nude? Not nude, the ones where I’m still dressed.
51:18Before you took clothes off. She mentioned that she liked how
51:22it looked. In response, I told her that I was not working as a model at that time, and now Artyom
51:28and I have also started making adult videos And just like that it was over.
51:33She said, “Well, I kind of suspected something, but I didn’t ask".
51:39Your mom took it well. really well Why do you think that is?
51:45My mom never forbade me from doing anything as a kid.
51:50If I wanted to go out—go out. If I wanted to stay over at a friend’s place—go ahead. If I
51:56wanted to throw a party at our house—sure, throw a party. Basically, there were no
52:00restrictions. I think, for her, it was just... The most important thing was probably that I was
52:08truly happy. Like any mother the main thing was for her child to be happy.
52:13She just kind of accepted it. There wasn’t any strict “You can’t
52:18do this.” She is not really a religious person. Hey, sorry for asking, but considering everything
52:23you’ve told me, was this more like indifference? Or was it more about love and acceptance?
52:31I lean more towards indifference. I didn’t want to talk about it much because I was genuinely
52:35worried that my mom wouldn’t react at all, that there’d be absolutely no response—no punishment,
52:41no praise, just a simple “Well, okay.” And for me, personally,
52:46that’s the most painful reaction imaginable. And that’s pretty much how it went down, just
52:51as I thought. "There was no “Wow, I’m shocked, I disapprove,” nor was there any “Wow, you’re
52:56truly doing an absolutely great job.” She just shook her head and said, “Yeah, I thought so.”
53:03Maybe she’s the type who doesn’t know how to show emotions.
53:07That could be, yeah. And she might have been genuinely worried about
53:11it, but she didn’t share her feelings at all. Sometimes she’d call and ask if we were okay,
53:18mentioning that she was worried. But that’s about it.
53:38With this ring,
53:39I marry you. I marry you.
53:41I promise to love you. I promise to love you.
53:44Forever. Forever.
53:45Thank you, Timmy. Kiss her hand. On the hand.
53:59Who proposed? Good question.
54:02I think I suggested getting married. I knew Yulia really wanted it. I had this...
54:10I had this attitude toward marriage back then that if two people love each other and
54:16want to be together, why complicate things with legal obligations? What are the legal
54:23consequences anyway? I was skeptical about it. It just seemed fun to do something unusual,
54:32like getting married in Las Vegas. Just like that, on a whim. We thought:
54:39well, we’re in Vegas, it’s a cool experience. You’re in America,
54:43so why not just get married? The whole thing took about four hours, maybe,
54:46including picking out rings. It was all very quick. Vegas is the fastest place to get married.
54:53Did you register this document in Russia? Yeah, we got it translated and apostilled,
54:58I think that’s what it’s called, right? Translated from English to Russian, showed it,
55:03and they stamped it. But it took a year—the translation and paperwork took a lot of time.
55:09When we were doing the paperwork, it was funny. We went to a typical Sovietstyle office,
55:15and they said, “Show us the documents.” It said “Las Vegas” on it. She didn’t know how to write
55:20it down and was like, “Laswhat? Vegas?” But in our passports, it says “Las Vegas” in Russian.
55:26Las Vegas. Yeah.
55:29You don’t wear rings? No, we don’t.
55:31Why not? Because sometimes we forget to take
55:33them off during shoots. And it’s weird. Because... Well, yeah, we have the image of Eva Elfie, and
55:41she’s definitely not married. So, it’d probably be strange if there were any misunderstandings.
55:49What could they say, complain about the ring? Well, yeah, some part of the main audience
55:55might have questions, like... They could even accuse us of lying, at the very least.
56:04I remembered a kid in the yard who just rolled down something and flew straight down.
56:09What’s that? You can run like a hamster in a wheel here?
56:13What about kids? Do you want any? No, I’m definitely not ready for kids right now.
56:18I understand it’s a big responsibility. You need to dedicate a lot of time to a child. Raise them.
56:26Dedicate all your time to them so they feel that maternal love and that I’m there for them.
56:31No, it’s definitely not for me right now. I’d like to first focus on myself: travel,
56:40achieve career success, make money. Maybe later. But right now, I’m more inclined to get a dog.
56:47I’d probably choose to get a dog over having a child.
56:50And Artyom? Artyom doesn’t want kids. He’s not ready.
57:01Tell me, where do you live now? Right now, I don’t live anywhere
57:06permanently—I’ve been traveling for three years. In some countries, I stay longer;
57:12in others, just a week before moving on. I always have this huge suitcase with me
57:17that weighs about thirtyfive kilograms, so I always have problems with excess baggage.
57:23Well, in the past year, I've spent three months in Thailand, three months in Los Angeles,
57:29and the rest of the time I'm always traveling somewhere. Right now, I'll be in Israel for a
57:37week, then a week in Amsterdam, then a week in Serbia, and then a week in Cyprus. After that,
57:43I'll either fly back to Asia for work or head to the U.S. for a longer stay.
57:48Is this all workrelated, or do you just enjoy exploring the world?
57:52It's mostly for work projects. Yeah, some interesting opportunities and
57:55collaborations come up, so we go there. Uhhuh. How do you like this lifestyle?
58:02I’m getting a bit tired of it, to be honest. I want to have a sense of home. I want to
58:07feel like there's a place that's truly mine, where I can return to, where I love the decor
58:13and the atmosphere, where I can just wrap myself in a blanket and bingewatch shows,
58:17instead of always moving from place to place. Staying somewhere for just a week,
58:22always lugging around these suitcases. I want to be able to unpack and just feel settled.
58:28I really want to feel at home. But for now, it's quite hard, and I don't really know exactly where
58:33I want to live. Moscow?
58:36Moscow isn’t the ideal city to live in right now. But I don't want to go back there either
58:41because, honestly, it’s changed a lot. It doesn’t have the comfort we're used to.
58:47The stores we’re used to aren’t there anymore. Even medications that used to be absolutely
58:55essential for us aren’t available in Russia anymore.
58:59The good quality products we were accustomed to in Moscow aren't there. It used to be so convenient:
59:05any service could be arranged within 24 hours, and everything was always of high quality,
59:10with good service. Now, of course, all of that has suffered greatly.
59:13How long has it been since you were in Russia? Two years.
59:19Are you against Russia’s politics and its active aggression against Ukraine,
59:26or are you just afraid it might affect Russia too? I always knew I would eventually leave Russia.
59:32I just didn’t think I’d have to leave so quickly and unexpectedly. But, of course,
59:35I absolutely do not support Russia’s aggressive actions and military aggression towards Ukraine.
59:41I don’t want to live there and pay taxes there. I don’t want to support this regime. I don’t see
59:46any opportunities for my growth there. I don’t feel safe there, and I don’t like what’s going
59:50on. I see no point in being there right now. Do you have a lot of friends in Ukraine?
59:56"Yes, I have many friends in Ukraine. I know a lot of talented actresses
1:00:00who were unfortunately forced to leave and tragically lost their homes. In Los Angeles,
1:00:06I liked that there was a strong and supportive community of people from both Ukraine and Russia,
1:00:10all of us who lost our homes. "
1:00:13We understood that we were all in the same boat, realizing that we needed to find a new home,
1:00:18so we supported and helped each other. I really liked that sense of camaraderie. Of course,
1:00:23I completely understand it’s much harder for the people from Ukraine. Much harder.
1:00:28But I was very grateful to them for not showing any aggression towards
1:00:33those individuals who had left Russia because they truly understood them too.
1:00:38How has Russia's war with Ukraine, Well i don't know maybe affected your industry?
1:00:47Yeah, it had a big impact. Sanctions have hit hard, as well
1:00:54as the general attitude towards those with Russian citizenship. Many of my business connections were
1:01:02broken. For example, Radwinsky—he’s, well...The CEO and founder of OnlyFans, Founder
1:01:09and owner he’s Ukrainian. At one point, they made a pretty emotional decision to block all
1:01:21Russian models Russian models, yeah.
1:01:23I can understand him, yeah. It’s terrifying, of course, when the cities
1:01:28where you were born are being bombed. There were issues because of Russian
1:01:31citizenship: you either had to change your documents, or your page could be deleted.
1:01:36Is that the main source of income? Yes, it's the main source of
1:01:39income for all adult film actresses. And everyone immediately started changing
1:01:45their documents or moving to other platforms. There are platforms like Fansly—I don’t use it,
1:01:51but I know that those who stayed in Russia and couldn’t change their
1:01:55documents just switched to another platform. There were also issues with the payment system
1:02:00related to the adult industry. Yeah, all the money is usually withdrawn from the site and
1:02:06then transferred to cards, and they also asked for confirmation of a different...
1:02:11Citizenship? A different citizenship.
1:02:14But obviously, you make your own content. What about other girls who work with production
1:02:19companies? Could the productions cancel them? As far as I know, that didn’t happen.
1:02:27Because I know a lot of directors and cameramen from both Ukraine and Russia,
1:02:31they still continue to work together on various projects. I don’t know specific cases or details,
1:02:38but I have heard that conflicts arose because of this collaboration,
1:02:42and sometimes those who showed aggression were subsequently fired from their positions.
1:02:48I don’t know who was the aggressor. And now, could there be a situation
1:02:52where a Russian and a Ukrainian end up on the same platform, or a Ukrainian and a Russian?
1:02:58Yeah, I think so, but conflicts can arise if people aren’t warned beforehand. If they
1:03:06don't know, then sure, there could be issues. I know that some people
1:03:10often refuse to work in such situations. In the realm of modeling, women frequently
1:03:18provide mutual support to one another by engaging in activities such as promoting each other's work.
1:03:25the current situation has led to a shift in collaborations, particularly affecting
1:03:29relationships, with many Ukrainian models choosing to no longer
1:03:35collaborate with their Russian counterparts. Honestly, I’m not really sure how many models
1:03:40and actresses are still in Russia. Almost all of my acquaintances and friends left
1:03:45They left because of the war? Because of the war.
1:03:47Or maybe because each year it became harder to stay in
1:03:50the profession without proper legal status? Well, I think the war was a catalyst for them.
1:03:57It made the decision easier. The feeling that they needed to leave had been there for a while.
1:04:03Because you're constantly living with the fear that someone might come for you,
1:04:07fear of criminal prosecution. After the war started, I can’t
1:04:13imagine how anyone could live there. The direction has completely shifted.
1:04:17I don’t even know. To me, it’s strange to think about how you could film anything there now.
1:04:25I was genuinely scared for people, really worried about my friends in Ukraine, and afraid for their
1:04:30safety. We all tried to help as much as we possibly could. We even paid for many friends
1:04:35from Russia, who didn’t have enough money at the time, to leave so they wouldn’t get drafted.
1:04:40We paid for the guys’ flights, called our friends in Ukraine to check in on them. Everyone was in
1:04:46shock, many were moving wherever they could. A lot moved to the Czech Republic,
1:04:51some to Estonia. Some to Budapest.
1:04:54Many companies related to the adult industry, various organizations really helped a lot of
1:04:59people from Ukraine to leave. They generously sponsored their relocation and assisted them in
1:05:04settling in other countries. Really?
1:05:06I know companies that relocated girls from Ukraine to Cyprus, helped them with their paperwork
1:05:11initially, and rented them places to live. Even before the war, you often said in your
1:05:16videos, "Make love, not war." Yeah, I just have this merch,
1:05:23and its main message is “Make Love, Not War.” When we were coming up with the concept for the merch,
1:05:28this was a year and a half before the war. We have a main Tshirt featuring this print and
1:05:34an accompanying comic where I heroically save the world from a devastating nuclear strike.
1:05:41We were supposed to launch on February 14th, something stopped working on our merch site, and
1:05:47we unfortunately had to take a technical pause. "And it eventually turned out that this decision
1:05:55backfired on us because the company that was assisting us with the merch and comic was Russian,
1:06:01and they were very scared to release such a potentially controversial comic and Tshirt.
1:06:07That is really sad. "
1:06:08They were worried it would be seen as an antiwar campaign?
1:06:11Yeah, they were afraid they might get into trouble, but Tema and I insisted on releasing
1:06:17it because this was our way of supporting people in these tough times. And, of course. It was
1:06:24frustrating that this issue came up because it looked like we were exploiting the topic, even
1:06:29though we planned everything long before this. Yeah.
1:06:32But did you release it? Yeah, we did.
1:06:35You got added to the "Myrotvorets" database. Despite being against the
1:06:41war. Why did that happen? It all started after I went to Crimea in,
1:06:49I think, 2018 or 2019. Why did you go?
1:06:55I went for a photoshoot. I was invited for work. I don't know how interested you are in politics
1:07:01or if you thought about how this might be perceived. Well, mostly they can take it badly
1:07:09Honestly, at that moment, I had no idea it could turn out this way,
1:07:14that I could unintentionally offend someone or cause harm. I didn’t even think about it at all.
1:07:19Back then, I wasn't much into politics and hardly read the news, even though I was
1:07:24studying journalism. It just didn't concern me all that much. At 21, I had other issues on my mind.
1:07:30now everything a hundred procent different. I’ve noticed that the more I read the news, and I do
1:07:36it every single day, the more anxious I get. So sometimes I do a news detox, trying not
1:07:42to read anything at all, just giving myself a muchneeded break to get back to normal. But still,
1:07:47I inevitably get sucked back in, as I'm naturally curious. I read, follow the stories, and worry.
1:07:53Are you planning to get legal status in another country, or are you just going
1:07:57to proudly keep your Russian passport? No, I definitely won't be walking around
1:08:01proudly with a Russian passport anymore. I've already initiated the complicated and
1:08:06timeconsuming process of changing my citizenship and obtaining a brand new
1:08:10passport from a different country altogether. At the moment, I've been officially approved
1:08:15for a Green Card in America under a specialized talent visa.
1:08:16You applied for a talent visa with your profession, and it was okay in America?
1:08:20Yeah. So you're talented in this?
1:08:24Yeah. That's cool!
1:08:26For me, it's just another factor showing that my profession is legitimate, you know?
1:08:30I'm an actress too, I have awards, I've worked hard, and I've achieved international
1:08:34recognition. I'm popular and wellknown. For that, I can obtain a residence permit,
1:08:40and then eventually a passport. Yeah, the Green Card.
1:08:45The most interesting part was when we were getting our US visa for the second time.
1:08:49We were explaining in detail what we do. And the officer, the one who works before the consulate,
1:08:55opened YouTube and showed a video, asking, "Is this you?" And on the screen was a video about how
1:09:02to properly give a... you know. He was laughing, and we were like, "Yes, yes, that's what we do."
1:09:08We're adult film actors, we have social media, and we mix it with influencer content. It was
1:09:13funny—they were all laughing, super friendly, and seemed to really enjoy the situation.
1:09:36And in the end, we got the visa. That's just a dream come true.
1:09:40It feels like you're in some kind of movie or something, I don't know.
1:09:44It's totally unreal. I don't have that feeling.
1:09:49Well, because, I don't know. How do you like America overall?
1:09:52It's really hard to say, because all my life, I thought I wanted to live in California—I
1:09:58had this dramatic and captivating image from all the movies I watched.
1:10:02Hollywood. I spent most of
1:10:05my time in Los Angeles. But I don't really like the way the city is laid out; it's not convenient
1:10:11for living. There are no sidewalks to just walk around on or parks where you can hang out with
1:10:17friends. To give you an idea, people actually meet up at cemeteries to watch movies together.
1:10:23Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, they have a
1:10:25little lawn area where you can spread out. It's like the Middle Ages, where cemeteries
1:10:29were the center of life. They had markets there, and it was the main meeting place.
1:10:33Right, it's pretty surprising. What shocked me about Los Angeles
1:10:38was how expensive everything is. I expected high prices, of course, but it was strange that with
1:10:44such high costs, the quality of service is lacking, and the food is not tasty. That was
1:10:50the biggest issue for me—bad food. I even started cooking at home,
1:10:55which I didn't do when I lived in Moscow or Asia, where delivery and cafes were very affordable and
1:11:00easy. But in America, you order, like, two burgers, two sodas, and two fries,
1:11:06and it costs you eighty dollars. And you think, what did I just spend all that money on?
1:11:12It's ridiculous. And of course, it wasn't even good.
1:11:15Is it pointless to move to other cities for your work? Because everyone is in L.A., right?
1:11:20Yeah, everyone in the adult industry who makes content for platforms like OnlyFans, Pornhub, and
1:11:24others, including bloggers, TikTokers, YouTubers, and Twitch streamers—they're all predominantly
1:11:30based in the bustling city of Los Angeles. It's definitely convenient when you can just
1:11:34go to a party with them, hang out, get to know people, rather than flying, say, six hours from
1:11:40New York just to attend a party. Yeah, yeah, totally.
1:11:43So how does that help you? Why? Considering you create your own content, what does it give you?
1:11:50Well, collaborations are still useful—they help attract more of the American audience
1:11:55and help you integrate better. And there's some data from OnlyFans, although I don't
1:11:59want to misquote the exact numbers. But most of the users who spend money on
1:12:06these platforms are Americans. Therefore, the most significant and substantial
1:12:10paying audience is the American audience. Yeah, I think they're just used to it; content
1:12:15has been paid there for a long time, not free. Yeah, yeah, they’ve always been used to paying
1:12:17for music, movies, porn—it’s just normal for them. They’re not going to download
1:12:22everything from pirate sites; they’re happy to pay to support you, your work,
1:12:26and your creativity. I remember when I went to an expo, everyone there was so chill about it.
1:12:32It was an expo. And the expo was for people from the industry. There were all sorts of brands,
1:12:39like sex toy manufacturers, condom companies, latex clothing brands, and booths from popular
1:12:45agencies, like modeling agencies or production companies. And the girls there were busy
1:12:51signing their photos and enthusiastically taking pictures with their excited fans..
1:12:56And that’s actually considered quite normal. I was shocked that fans would willingly pay ten or even
1:13:03five dollars just to take a picture with you. I’m used to taking pictures for free,
1:13:08so it felt strange and a little awkward when they offered money for a photo with
1:13:11me. I was like, “No, no need, why?” Like, "What’s this, prostitution?"
1:13:15And they’d say, “Come on, let’s just take a picture.” And the girls there had price lists:
1:13:19a photo costs this much an autograph on a photo costs this much a DVD with videos costs
1:13:23this much. For them it’s completely normal. So, how’s it all set up? There’s the expo,
1:13:29but what else? Is the whole industry just parties at someone's apartment,
1:13:33or is there something bigger, like venues, events? No, it's actually on a much more serious and
1:13:37intense level. For example, the main "Porn Oscars," known as the AVN Awards,
1:13:42are held in Las Vegas. TThey rent out a large theater for it, set up an elegant red carpet,
1:13:48put up a massive screen, and invite several hosts. Expos are also held in theaters, like in Los
1:13:53Angeles. It’s all very wellorganized: you can buy tickets, and meet with participants and
1:13:58stars from the industry. How’s your English?
1:14:03Soso. I’m learning, I’m working on it, but there’s definitely progress. Over the last four years,
1:14:09or rather five, I’ve made a significant amount of progress in learning English.
1:14:14I take lessons with a teacher regularly when I don’t have a lot going on or when
1:14:19work isn’t too busy. It’s usually two or three times a week. Plus, when I lived in the U.S.,
1:14:25my English improved a lot. Being in an Englishspeaking environment makes
1:14:30learning English language so much easier. When you first started filming,
1:14:35did you know any English at all? Of course, I learned English in
1:14:39school and took some courses, but since I didn’t use it, speaking was hard. Like,
1:14:43I could do some exercises, but speaking was tough. In the documentary, it was funny because
1:14:50they wrote out the lines I needed to say. Artyom helped me, and I had this little notebook—a
1:14:53'porn dictionary' where I meticulously wrote down all the specific phrases I needed to say in
1:14:58English during shoots. It was much easier for me to read these phrases than to understand them by
1:15:03ear, which I found to be pretty funny and amusing. What kind of phrases were in there?
1:15:08Oh, all sorts of different lines: do you like my tits, cum in my face.
1:15:14Hello, how, how can I, such a, such have. Such have, meaning you wrote it like that?
1:15:23It should have been, “Such a big dick you have,” that’s how it should be written.
1:15:26Tell me, was it common in your family to talk about sex? How did
1:15:31your parents explain where babies come from? As far as I remember, not at all. Absolutely.
1:15:37A taboo? Yes, absolutely zero information was given.
1:15:43Do you think it’s important to talk to kids about this?
1:15:46I think it’s a hundred percent important to talk about it. It’s like...
1:15:52You know, in Russia, I think it’s going to take more than one generation for this to become
1:15:58normal, for us to handle it normally. For it not to be considered some kind of horror or sin,
1:16:04and to avoid the attitude of “let them figure it out on their own.”
1:16:08It should be clear: everyone has sex, and it’s normal to ask questions about your
1:16:12body and learn about yourself. I think that’s a completely normal practice.
1:16:19Do you believe that this situation might lead to potential issues for us? Because
1:16:25we don’t know how to talk about it calmly? Or because we don’t
1:16:28have proper sex education classes in schools? I’m not sure how it might affect interpersonal
1:16:34relationships when neither partner has any experience with sex and they
1:16:39don’t know what to do or how to talk about it. It probably leads to an inability to negotiate,
1:16:44to explore themselves, to find solutions, to understand what each other likes in sex. And it
1:16:49turns out people just don’t know what to do. Everyone just endures it their
1:16:53whole life and stays silent? Yeah, yeah, and some people don’t even
1:16:55know there’s another way, that you can talk about it, and that it’s okay to say something like,
1:17:00“Hey, I’ve got this problem...” I know people, for example, where the women don’t orgasm during sex,
1:17:07but they don’t tell their partner. That seems really strange to me; I can’t imagine that.
1:17:12Why would you just put up with it? But that doesn’t mean you should just break
1:17:13up and never talk again. It’s better to discuss it; maybe you’ll find some solutions because not
1:17:18talking about it—that’s strange, really. Eva, how was sex talked about at home?
1:17:25It wasn’t. How did your
1:17:26parents explain where babies come from? My parents didn’t explain anything. I think
1:17:31most of what I learned came from friends and the internet, which was already around then. We never
1:17:38discussed this topic at home, and because of that, it was really hard. When I first got my period,
1:17:43I honestly didn’t even know what it was.. I was at a kids' camp, my stomach hurt, and
1:17:47a boy suggested I quickly go to the only one camp nurse's office. The woman there told me, “Well,
1:17:53you’ve started your period.” And I was like, “What do I do now?” I didn’t know anything about it.
1:17:58You really didn’t know what it was? No one really explained it to me. And
1:18:01then the boy said, “Congratulations, you’ve become a woman.” And I was like, “Thanks...
1:18:06but what am I supposed to do with this?” Yeah, and sex wasn't really talked about either.
1:18:12Do you think parents should talk to their kids about this stuff?
1:18:14Yes, I think it's really important to help kids understand what sex is and that it
1:18:20should be safe. Because, you know, if teens' hormones go wild, and they start having sex;
1:18:25it's better they know how to protect themselves. I think teenagers often tend to do the opposite
1:18:30of what they’re told. Exactly.
1:18:31When parents say, “You need to do this,” teenagers do the opposite. So you shouldn’t just say “You
1:18:37should,” but explain why it’s important. To prevent diseases, to avoid HIV, for example.
1:18:44So you don’t get infected. It's really important to make sure kids and teens understand this.
1:18:50In general, what do you think, how is our country doing with sexual openness? You travel a lot now.
1:18:56Everywhere you go, this topic comes up in one way or another because of your profession. How strict
1:19:02is Russia, or do people here actually like to talk and discuss these things?
1:19:09People are really shy about talking about this stuff. I can totally feel it when they start
1:19:14laughing and getting embarrassed. They’re not that open. It feels like it’s still like the
1:19:18Soviet Union, where “there was no sex.” And it’s like, even now, sex doesn’t exist in Russia.
1:19:23Everyone is having sex, but for some reason, everyone condemns it. Why? I really don’t get
1:19:28where this judgment comes from. For me, sex is a basic need, like eating or going to the bathroom.
1:19:35Why is it judged at all? I don’t get it. Although, you know, I’ve noticed that people my age,
1:19:41those born in ‘97 or in the early 2000s, are a bit more chill about talking about sex.
1:19:47You mean among themselves, right? Yeah, among themselves, yeah, yeah.
1:19:50When you get together with the girls, I think the conversations often turn to sex—what you like,
1:19:56what you don’t, asking for advice, or sharing experiences. But with guys, it seems like when
1:20:03they hang out, they don’t talk about sex at all. Interesting, why is that?
1:20:09Yeah. I’ve noticed that people in America
1:20:11and Europe are more open to discussing sex. Not in Asia. In Asia, they’re pretty reserved
1:20:19too. They won’t talk about it. Well, I haven’t been to Japan. Maybe in Japan,
1:20:25it’s totally different because you can even buy used panties from vending machines on the
1:20:29street there, which adds a unique cultural twist. Panties from girls. That’s an interesting fact.
1:20:36They have a different attitude toward sex. Well, They only recently made the decision to raise
1:20:41the age of consent from thirteen to sixteen years old, which is a significant change.
1:20:45In Japan? Yeah.
1:20:46Wow! Before, there were many cases—I read an
1:20:49article about it—where many men were prosecuted because there were rapes of 13yearold girls,
1:20:56and they claimed it was consensual. Only now have they changed the law to raise the age to sixteen.
1:21:01"Wow! Should sex education be taught in schools? "
1:21:06I think topics like these should at least be covered in biology class,
1:21:09right? When we study the human body, they usually talk about sperm, the uterus,
1:21:13fertilization, and other important aspects. But, for example, I didn’t know until I was
1:21:18twentyfive that women have ovulation and how it works.
1:21:21Why didn’t they explain this to us in school? It's pure biology: there’s a specific period
1:21:25when you can get pregnant and times when you can’t. There’s that one week where it’s possible,
1:21:30and you can calculate those days. I only found out about this from a
1:21:34gynecologist. It’s so interesting! I like it! It would be great if topics like this became
1:21:42normal to talk about, and people were educated about it. Schools should have at least a few
1:21:47introductory lessons on these subjects. And parents, too, shouldn’t feel embarrassed
1:21:51to talk about this with their kids. Well, thank goodness for the internet
1:21:56these days. At least you can Google all this stuff, read about it, and learn.
1:22:00What’s the benefit of having parents talk to you about this, in your opinion?
1:22:07I think when the taboo around sex is lifted, a child won't feel like something is wrong
1:22:13with them. You know, when puberty hits, you get acne, your hormones are going crazy—it’s really
1:22:21important for kids to understand that it’s entirely and completely normal for everyone..
1:22:27A parent can explain what’s happening and that it’s normal. It’s puberty;
1:22:31you’re growing hair and becoming an adult. I think it’s as simple as finding an
1:22:35educational video on YouTube, even ones made for kids—I’m sure they’re out there.
1:22:39And just sit down and watch it together with your child. Share that experience with them.
1:22:45Did you ever... You don’t necessarily
1:22:46have to take on the role of a teacher. You can at least just be there with your child
1:22:50in that moment and then answer their questions because there will definitely be questions.
1:22:55Have you ever had teenagers reach out to you with questions they should be asking their parents?
1:23:00Yeah, yeah, I have. What were they asking?
1:23:04Stuff like, like that,“I’m fourteen, and I have a organ this many centimeters long. Is that normal?”
1:23:16Kids have questions—like, is this normal or not? And that’s exactly the problem;
1:23:20they start feeling like something’s wrong with them because they’re having these feelings.
1:23:25These are the kinds of moments that are better discussed with parents, not with a porn actress.
1:23:30What do you think about the government gradually creeping into people’s bedrooms?
1:23:36Telling you who to sleep with and who not to? It’s the classic story: you’re not interested
1:23:43in politics, and then suddenly you find out they’re in your bedroom, telling you what to do.
1:23:50In your bed. It’s awful, honestly. Especially now,
1:23:53when you hear all these stories related to the LGBTQ community—arresting gay people, treating
1:24:01them horribly. To me, it’s just a nightmare. And it’s completely unclear how this is even
1:24:09possible. It’s like they’re from some parallel universe because in the countries where I live,
1:24:15how could this even happen? In most of the world,
1:24:18this has been normal for ages. Yeah, exactly. I don’t even see anything
1:24:24unusual about it anymore. Like, if someone has that orientation, so what? How is that a threat
1:24:30to public order? I just don’t get it. In other countries, it’s been normal for a long time,
1:24:34and no one makes a big deal out of it. Have you ever had any runins with religious people
1:24:37from our southern republics and stuff like that? Yeah, of course. I get private messages saying
1:24:43it’s haram, that I’m doing something wrong, and I need to change my ways. But more often,
1:24:48it’s from Muslims, not Christians. But aren't they the biggest consumers?
1:24:55No? No, well, according to Instagram stats,
1:25:02my top viewers are from the U.S., Thailand, Indonesia, India, Mexico, and, of course, Russia.
1:25:11There are still very few from Muslim countries. Maybe they consume different content,
1:25:16or they use VPNs, so it doesn't show up. But they do consume a lot of content,
1:25:21because they have some of the most intense passions, for sure. I think they experience
1:25:25this overwhelming surge of hormones and intense desire, yet their religion forbids
1:25:30acting on it or indulging in such feelings.. Naturally, they need to release that energy
1:25:34somewhere. And I think they watch a lot of porn and consume content, but.
1:25:39It's funny how people watch, then blame themselves, and then blame you
1:25:43for being in a video they watched. That I'm bad for making the video,
1:25:49and they sinned by watching it. Tell me about your achievements at
1:25:54work that you’re most proud of, the ones that made you finally give yourself some credit.
1:26:00I’m really proud of myself for one day making the decision to grow not just as a successful
1:26:05porn actress but also as a wellrounded media personality. I chose to focus more on being
1:26:11a recognized public figure, start a YouTube channel, and not just be a
1:26:15pretty face, but also genuinely show my true personality and how I live my everyday life.
1:26:21I think it was great not to be afraid to break the taboo
1:26:24on the topic of sex in society and talk about it openly. I feel like I was one of the first porn
1:26:30actresses to start a YouTube channel and explain how the porn industry works, inviting other girls
1:26:35for interviews to share their experiences. Why was it important for you to, let’s say,
1:26:41to "clean up" your profession and show that you’re people too? Did you feel some
1:26:46kind of neglection from society? Yes, I didn't like the pervasive
1:26:50stereotype that if you’re a porn actress, then you’re automatically considered a slut.
1:26:55And that if you’re in porn, you must be willing to have sex with everyone. For some reason, people
1:27:00thought, "What's the difference? You're having sex with everyone on camera, so why not with me?"
1:27:04People didn’t understand that it’s a job, just another kind of work. It’s
1:27:10not random sex with strangers; it’s work with actors, where everyone carefully prepares,
1:27:16gets thoroughly tested, and everyone needs to be completely healthy and clean, and wellgroomed.
1:27:21In the end, it’s a professional process. I always wanted to make people understand that
1:27:30porn actresses are just regular people too. They have their own interests and feelings,
1:27:36and they shouldn’t be treated like objects. Especially women.
1:27:41It’s a long and challenging journey to thoroughly destigmatize the topic
1:27:45of sex and the entire profession of porn actresses in general across different parts
1:27:49of society. But it's a major goal of mine. I think I've already made some progress in
1:27:56this direction because, for example, advertisers used to never buy ads in
1:28:01porn or collaborate with porn actresses. It was widely considered to be something highly
1:28:06taboo and not typically talked about openly.. And there, you couldn’t do ads at all. We were
1:28:11actually one of the few who started doing ads in porn, consistently showing very good results.
1:28:18Then I created an agency for girls, and now we're trying to attract mainstream brands into porn,
1:28:23doing ads on social media for girls, integrating it into porn, and showing good results.
1:28:28How does that even work? does it work During sex? It varies. It all depends on the script and what
1:28:33the advertiser wants. How do they want the brand to be involved? Some want something totally crazy,
1:28:39while others prefer a softer, safer approach. I think the main thing is to break the stigma
1:28:49and show that advertising in porn can also be an effective tool.
1:28:53And I think we've succeeded because we were one of the first to do an ad for Aviasales in porn.
1:28:58Yes, yes, yes. That’s funny.
1:29:01Was it after that ad that other advertisers started reaching out to you?
1:29:07Yes, they did. And that’s why it’s important to focus on the media side,
1:29:11not just being a porn actress. I started noticing
1:29:15that I was getting more invitations as a blogger than as a porn actress.
1:29:20Look, today’s video is all about condoms. There are just so many here, oh my gosh,
1:29:25I’ve honestly never seen so many condoms in my entire life. And I really like this specific one.
1:29:31When was the last time you felt the benefit of your profession?
1:29:34I started to truly realize my work was helpful when people began writing to me,
1:29:39saying things like the following, "Thank you for making those videos; they helped me deal
1:29:44with depression." Or, for example, one girl wrote, "Your content really lifted my mood."
1:29:51I often got messages like, "Thanks for making content on YouTube and
1:29:55explaining basic things like different types of lubricants, how to use condoms,
1:30:00or how to prepare for sex." People had numerous questions but were too shy to ask or simply didn’t
1:30:05know where to find the necessary info. I felt like I was doing something useful
1:30:10for society, like people were learning new and interesting
1:30:13things that brought them positive feelings. If we're only talking about watching porn,
1:30:18I personally think it always brings positive emotions and
1:30:21can help significantly with stress relief. For instance, a lot of men and women masturbate
1:30:28when they're nervous or stressed, and it really helps them calm down.
1:30:31Hey, is there any statistic showing that the porn industry somehow reduces violence?
1:30:40There are different articles on this topic. Some people try to argue the opposite,
1:30:44saying that porn is actually harmful and ultimately does more harm than good overall.
1:30:51I more often come across various articles suggesting that porn actually lowers violence
1:30:56levels, helps people effectively manage stress, and significantly boosts happiness hormones when
1:31:02you watch it and, well, satisfy yourself in a healthy, safe, and responsible manner..
1:31:18What did Yulia teach you? Just on a human level.
1:31:27To show and express emotions—I think that's the most important thing. But for me,
1:31:34it was the hardest and most confusing. I used to think a man had to be this certain way,
1:31:40maybe because of upbringing or some ideals, like you always had to be stoic.
1:31:44No crying, staying silent, not complaining. Yeah, you imagine yourself as some Greek god,
1:31:47like Kratos. Nothing affects you, you show no emotions. You’re always
1:31:55like a rock, and nothing gets to you. But it turned out that this approach didn’t
1:32:00work well in relationships. There was a rough period where we almost broke up because of it.
1:32:08There were a lot of reasons, but one was a lack of emotional intimacy. It was tough for Yulia.
1:32:15I didn’t feel close in our relationship, and that was the main reason we decided to
1:32:20go to couples therapy. So we started attending therapy sessions, and Tema willingly agreed.
1:32:28I said it was important for me, and if nothing changed, it would be hard to stay
1:32:33in this relationship. Because I feel my emotional needs for closeness, openness,
1:32:39and understanding aren’t being met. We were kind of too cold to each other and had drifted apart.
1:32:47What was your childhood like? Well, maybe.
1:32:50Did you start picking up on that? Yeah, and I’m really grateful
1:32:54Tema agreed to it. He took a big step for himself. We’re just learning the basics: how
1:33:02to be empathetic with each other, how to listen to each other, take gentle care, and not criticize.
1:33:08Yeah, like it often was in our families, where we might get criticized. After all,
1:33:13we bring into our relationships what we saw growing up. Now, we’re trying to create an
1:33:19environment where we feel comfortable The most important thing we learned was
1:33:25to openly talk about our feelings without blaming or accusing the other partner. Instead of saying,
1:33:30"I don’t like that you’re like this," or "You’re criticizing me," we learned
1:33:35to express ourselves by saying, "I feel hurt" or "I feel offended by what happened.
1:33:40Talking about yourself, not the other person. Yes, it’s about openly talking about yourself.
1:33:45What emotions come up for you when your partner does something specific?
1:33:50And you’re not accusing them of anything; you're speaking without blame because you're
1:33:54talking about yourself and your feelings. It’s easier for them to understand you this way than
1:33:58if you immediately start attacking and saying they're not right or doing something wrong.
1:34:02Artyom, how much did you earn as a lawyer? Oh, I think my salary was around
1:34:07three hundred dollars. Though, it might have been less because maybe I just wanted it to
1:34:11be three hundred. Most likely, it was somewhere between two hundred fifty and
1:34:14three hundred, something like that. And how much do you make now in a month?
1:34:18On average, if we look at it, I think around one hundred seventy thousand dollars.
1:34:27Thousand dollars? Yeah.
1:34:27One hundred seventy thousand? Yes, exactly.
1:34:31Is that the main reason you keep doing this, or is it something else?
1:34:36Well. Yes and
1:34:38no. Because we still enjoy what we’re doing. For me, money isn’t the most important thing;
1:34:46maybe you and I have different views on this. I don’t see much value in money or material
1:34:54things. I prefer that money allows us to travel, take our parents somewhere,
1:35:00have new experiences. That was really important to me because with a three hundred dollar salary,
1:35:06that was just impossible. But things like cars or expensive stuff don’t really interest me.
1:35:15Honestly, I’m totally indifferent to it. I still have a broken phone because I dropped it from a
1:35:21bike, and I just keep using it. I don’t even know what model it is. When I was asked at a
1:35:27movie screening, I didn’t know what to say. In general, I guess I could go and buy any
1:35:33phone I want, but why? It's all part of our big adventure together. I like that we keep
1:35:39going on this journey together. We do what we enjoy and don’t get hung up on material things.
1:35:47Do you have a secret for a long relationship? What have you learned about how to stay together for a
1:35:53long time? What should you do? Well, to simplify it a lot,
1:36:01probably just do what’s fun, and if something isn’t fun, don’t do it.

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