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0:00We all have this feeling deep down that
0:02Europe doesn't work because of our
0:03neighbors. So, I’m going to tell you
0:05a story. In Europe, an absurd decision
0:08costs us 200 million euros every year.
0:11Members of the European Parliament
0:12voted massively to put an end to it.
0:14But one single country said no for a
0:17city, a symbol, for its influence. And
0:20since the rule requires unanimity, this
0:22one refusal is enough to block
0:23everything. That country is France.
0:26That city is Strasbourg. That decision
0:28is the European Parliament’s dual
0:30seat. 12 times a year, the Parliament
0:33moves. That’s 3,000 civil servants
0:35going from Brussels to Strasbourg with
0:383,500 files. 200 million too many
0:40thrown out the window just because
0:42France refuses for Parliament to be
0:44based full-time in Brussels. What we
1:07just witnessed is mind-blowing, really.
1:09And to the question, uh, well, why do
1:11some members of parliament have to
1:14commute between Strasbourg and Brussels
1:16, and so on.
1:17>> It stammered, actually.
1:19>> This isn't an anecdote, it's a symptom.
1:22>> Thomas, do you know the difference
1:23between the Council of Europe and the
1:25European Parliament? No. Ah, so the
1:39European Commission, they aren't
1:40elected by the European Council, by the
1:42way. No.
1:43>> Well, the European Parliament is where
1:44all the deputies are. I’m going to
1:46get slammed by someone.
1:51>> And meanwhile, China is moving fast.
1:53It’s flooding us with its tech
1:55products, with its cheap clothes. The
1:57United States, for their part, are
1:59colonizing us with their innovations,
2:01and here we are, watching, we are slow.
2:04Standards, regulations, countries that
2:06are too different, markets that don't
2:07talk to each other. Europe is broken.
2:11So, 18 months ago, we wanted to
2:13understand the United States, then
2:16China, and now Europe—Estonia, Poland
2:18, Germany, and also Ukraine, because
2:20that’s where, at the gates of Europe,
2:23democracy and autocracy clash. All
2:26sponsored by the world's two great
2:28powers. GDPR our man on the moon for us
2:43having you is a big inspiration because
2:46we know that we are not alone. Can we
2:49be happy? Yes. To make it better, do
2:54recognize perfect. Yes.
3:02>> My goal is clear: it’s to diagnose
3:03what’s wrong and, above all, to look
3:05for places where it works, where it’s
3:07progressing very strongly.
3:10>> Of course, the machine, at its base, at
3:11its root, it’s broken. But at the
3:13same time, once you’ve said that,
3:15well, what do you actually do? For me,
3:27Tallinn, Vilnius, and Riga were the
3:29three European countries where I
3:31struggled to remember which was the
3:33capital of what. You see, actually,
3:37there are many European countries we
3:38know well. Spain, we know Germany well,
3:40we know Italy, Belgium, our close
3:42neighbors, we know them well. While
3:44these Baltic countries are part of
3:46Europe and economically, we have a lot
3:48to learn from them. We are heading to
3:52the other side of the city by the water
3:55to see Violène. She knows Estonia very
3:58well. She has been living here in
4:00Tallinn for 6 years. She has already
4:03given us a lot of info, so we’re
4:04going to dinner with her to hear about
4:05her vision of Estonia.
4:09>> Estonia regained its independence in
4:12'91. So, with a huge economic lag and
4:15very, very great poverty. When you
4:18start from zero, you can't catch up on
4:2150 years of non-development. If you
4:23want to get somewhere, you have to
4:25focus on a subject where you're on
4:26equal footing with everyone else. And
4:28in the 90s, that was the Internet. In
4:31France, we are 70 million and we have
4:33between 25 and 30 unicorns. Estonia has
4:361.4 million inhabitants and has 10
4:38unicorns. That's 10 companies valued at
4:40over 1 billion dollars. It’s the best
4:42ratio in Europe.
4:44>> Here, there was a kind of breath of
4:45fresh air that was the creation of
4:47Skype. When Skype was sold, all the
4:50former Skype employees founded new
4:53startups.
4:55>> In Estonia, there's Bolt. We are
4:56currently in a Bolt. You get the
4:59impression the city is sponsored by
5:01Bolt, by the way, here in Vilnius,
5:02Lithuania. That is still a mind-blowing
5:05success. Meeting Thomas Plantenga, the
5:11CEO of Vinted, the new CEO is very
5:13happy. We have half an hour with him;
5:15we need to be focused. Vinted was
5:24created in 2008 and he arrived in 2016.
5:2816.
5:33>> We managed to interview Thomas
5:34Plantenga, who has been the boss of
5:36Vinted for 10 years. Vinted, when he
5:38took it over, was bankrupt, and he had
5:39come for a consulting mission. They
5:59succeed in making their size a form of
6:01strength. They see very big right away,
6:03much bigger than their own country. So
6:05take Vinted, which everyone knows.
6:07Vinted, they say, well, our market is
6:09France. I came to France.
6:13Congratulations and. Company.
6:27>> We have an appointment with. One of the
6:30executives at NordVPN. The big
6:35difference. So you arrive there, OK,
6:37there's no one serving, you take the
6:39item and we all arrive, and we're like
6:41"What the [ __ ]!" And so you help
6:43yourself from the fridges, you scan,
6:45>> you pay and then you just take off. So
6:47that's trust right there.
6:49>> And you still think, in Southern Europe
6:51, that wouldn't work.
6:52>> So that's where you see we're very
6:53different. I don't know, is it a matter
6:55of culture, of education? Do you think
6:56we can get there? That would be crazy,
6:58honestly.
6:59>> It would be crazy. Do you know the
7:05brands that fund all the YouTubers?
7:06>> Yeah, you don't know?
7:07>> Yeah. Well, there you go. Well, they're
7:09all here. Nord Security, they have
7:11NordVPN, one of the most well-known,
7:13Incognia, all their brands, a
7:15Lithuanian company. More than 2,000.
7:27need Europe United States some other
7:30country you know we can operate a
7:32business in France we all do that have
7:35great people are well here safe
7:37countries Also a very heated reaction
7:47from Elon Musk.
7:49>> He's straight-up calling for the
7:50abolition, the dismantling of the
7:52European Union. But it's mostly that
7:58you're losing lots of entrepreneurs who
7:59leave for elsewhere because they're
8:00afraid.
8:04>> Europe is losing because, in any case,
8:05it's just bureaucrats in Brussels
8:06regulating everything because they
8:08can't do anything, they don't know how
8:09to innovate. If doing a landing page
8:18for example you need four lawyers to
8:21review every individual landing page
8:23for each language of European country
8:25because they have slightly different
8:27regulations for commercials. If you go
8:31into the US, you go into the US and
8:33then you can scale everywhere. If we
8:36were successful in France and France
8:37regulation allowed us to directly go
8:39everywhere, yeah, would have probably
8:42taken three years instead of 10. The
8:45biggest difficulty we have in Eastern
8:47Europe is that we are primarily
8:49competing with ourselves, in the end. I
9:00think we failed to perceive the fact
9:02that we are in an economic war and that
9:04to win this economic war, we need to
9:05free ourselves up a little in our
9:07actions. By the book regulation. export
9:31regulation. Europe defends itself
9:37through rules, these famous regulations
9:39that everyone denounces, and large
9:41companies play with these rules; they
9:43bypass them. That's what Shein did by
9:46building its new gigantic warehouses in
9:49Poland.
9:50>> Today, we're leaving Warsaw to go to
9:52Wrocław. I'm definitely not
9:54pronouncing it the right way. We're
9:56going in search of this famous,
9:58gigantic Shein warehouse that was
10:00created in Poland to bypass European
10:02regulations on small parcels. Listen,
10:09we're arriving at the new Shein
10:11warehouses to serve 100 million
10:13customers all across Europe. Wow, the
10:16number of trucks. Holy cow! The number
10:18of loading docks.
10:19>> But this is
10:20>> I didn't get the max insurance, you
10:22know. So you better be careful.
10:23>> Match.
10:26>> And 78. 8 and 8 is 16, you've got 360
10:30across these two buildings.
10:34>> They tripled the size right at the
10:37moment this famous law was passed, a
10:39€ 3 tax per package under € 150.
10:43Right when it's going to be implemented
10:45, the warehouse will start being
10:46operational. Actually, what I find
10:48funny is the difference between
10:49political time and entrepreneurial time
10:51, which have absolutely nothing to do
10:52with each other. Meaning the European
10:54Parliament took maybe, I don't know,
10:55years to vote for this tax law on all
10:57small packages, and, in fact, we
10:59realize that China has already
11:00anticipated this, they are literally
11:02three steps ahead and have already had
11:04time to build all these warehouses.
11:06>> There is a real question to be asked
11:08about the usefulness of these bans
11:10within the European Union. We know that
11:13one way or another, with all these
11:15measures, there will be workarounds.
11:18>> How many thousands of square meters of
11:21warehouse in China?
11:24>> 20,000.
11:26>> 20,000 square meters.
11:28>> 7,400 square meters, 7,400, and
11:30apparently the biggest Amazon ones in
11:33Europe are 150,000, just to give you a
11:36scale.
11:36>> There you go. Uh, they had platforms in
11:39the Paris region where 90%of small
11:41packages entering the country transited
11:43, where they could carry out
11:44centralized checks. Uh, today, it's
11:47fragmented. It comes in by trucks and
11:49it comes from several different
11:50countries. So, they no longer have the
11:51means to control it. So, in fact, by
11:52imposing a ban, they were stripped of
11:54the means to be efficient and protect
11:56French consumers. Ultimately,
11:58>> we are really close to an airport that
12:00handles mainly freight. The principle
12:02is simple. All the goods arrive here,
12:05are sorted in these huge warehouses,
12:07and then distributed throughout all
12:10European countries by these trucks we
12:12see here that travel all the roads. And
12:16>> let me show you something, we are here.
12:18Do you think that's the warehouse we've
12:19been seeing since the beginning? Well
12:20no, it's this.
12:21>> Holy cow!
12:22>> Look at the size of this one we've been
12:24driving around for a while now. We were
12:26blown away by the size, and look at the
12:27real thing, it's right there. It's an
12:29area that is, uh, several times larger
12:31than the one we just visited.
12:32>> It's mind-blowing.
12:34>> Look, you see way over there, there are
12:36dozens of them.
12:37>> It's already from China. And here, it
12:39says
12:41>> Shein. We will be the one.
12:43>> China We will be the one. So, there you
12:44go, it's just to show the sheer scale
12:46of what's happening. So
12:48>> the question we might ask is why,
12:50ultimately, are all these warehouses
12:52here in Poland and not in France? Here,
12:56the big companies importing goods and
12:59materials from outside Europe benefit
13:01from social conditions and wages that
13:04are quite low, lower than the European
13:07average. Others would certainly have
13:10stepped in if Poland hadn't. Poland did
13:13it because today, they have invested
13:15quite massively in their infrastructure
13:18.
13:18>> Actually, here in Wroclaw, we are in a
13:21very specific geographical location,
13:23meaning we are, I believe, 70 km from
13:26the Czech border. We are very close to
13:28Germany. In fact, in one day by truck,
13:31you can reach all of Central and
13:33Eastern Europe. Poland has transformed
13:36itself into a strategic hub, a platform
13:38, an infrastructure for logistics.
13:42>> It was said that Central Europe would
13:43be the place that would come and steal
13:45our jobs. And in the end, the low-cost
13:49model, the ones best able to deploy it,
13:51well, that's Asia. By refusing to
13:56compromise within the European Union
13:59during that integration, we pushed the
14:01problem further east and inherited a
14:04competitor, the Asian bloc, which is
14:06managing to take truly dominant
14:08positions in entire market segments. Or
14:18we can create gradually legislation
14:21that unites us and makes us lean, fast
14:23and strong. Yes. I know that what moves
14:30the world is profit. There is nothing
14:32else seriously that moves the world.
14:34You're not going to build businesses
14:35because you have European values. In
14:38order to build a business, you need an
14:40addressable market. You need a KPI. You
14:42need a USP. Nvidia put 13 billion on
14:52the table.
14:58>> We are in a business where we turn
15:00electricity into token generation.
15:02>> We have a lot of savings in Europe.
15:03Let's use it for investment in
15:05artificial intelligence. Capable of
15:14inventing magnificent companies, but
15:15they end up being bought by Americans
15:17—the flight of the unicorns.
15:21>> When a company grows, the question of
15:23an IPO inevitably arises at one point
15:25or another. And the question I want to
15:28ask all these entrepreneurs is, where
15:30would you do this IPO? Regarding the
15:42public sector in Europe, Lithuania has
15:45the same credit rating as Senegal.
15:49Senegal—if European exchanges can
15:51provide the right conditions to unlock
15:53the right amount of capital, we will do
15:54it. But we are not going to punish a
15:59European company for that. Other
16:01financial institutions in Europe need
16:03to get their act together, otherwise we
16:04are going to be crushed by American
16:06companies. The main reason for an IPO
16:08is to attract capital company anywhere
16:18other than the United States. The
16:22classic scenario here is that a company
16:24reaches a certain size, needs more
16:25funding, needs a bigger market, and
16:27goes to the US. We have almost 400
16:29million consumers. 300 trillion in
16:35savings, where most of those savings
16:37are not invested in Europe; we invest
16:40them in the US. We have the money, but
16:43we aren't using it properly because we
16:45invest elsewhere. We don't have a
16:47capital markets union, we don't have a
16:49single market. What can I tell you?
16:52It’s not going to happen, it’s not
16:54going to happen in my lifetime. We
16:58cannot be in a position where we are
16:59just sitting on our hands, looking at
17:01each other and saying: "If only we had
17:02a capital market." Are we serious? The
17:06capital is there, the pools of capital
17:09are there, we just aren't fluidizing
17:11them enough. For example, in the UK, we
17:14are looking at pension funds and
17:15putting more of that money into
17:17businesses to make sure that San
17:18Francisco isn't the only answer. And if
17:21we do that, then we unlock bigger
17:23capital markets to reinvest our own
17:25European pension funds into the next
17:27generation of European companies if we
17:33inferior capital, inferior production
17:36companies.
17:43>> Poland is a country that has been
17:45mentioned quite a bit since the
17:46beginning. Honestly, you might say it's
17:50not a sexy country—Poland—you
17:51compare it to Spain or Portugal, and
17:53that's fine, but when you dig a little
17:55deeper, you see that Poland is the top
17:57student in the European Union, at least
17:59among countries of a certain...Poland
18:01is the star pupil of Europe in terms of
18:03growth, and it has been crushing it for
18:0515, 20 years. We have so many questions
18:07. Can we take inspiration from them?
18:09What have they put in place? But they
18:10have certainly transformed themselves.
18:12And I believe they are also, from what
18:14I understand, at a turning point as
18:15well. We are wondering if the time is
18:18now. Boom, you tap the card and
18:30normally you pay fees all the time.
18:32With the Contau card, well, there are
18:34no exchange fees. You just pay the spot
18:37rate, as they say. So at the very
18:40moment we have it here, it will scan it
18:42automatically and find the VAT. And
18:46what I do is, I go and look for the
18:48labels. There, it applied it
18:49automatically. Production Europe 2026.
18:52You see, custom label, it's already
18:53added it. OK, I'll apply it. And now,
18:56it's automatically added to our entire
18:57budget. So the doc budget is
19:00automatically settled thanks to this
19:02labeling. How long did it take you to
19:04develop this, Chris?
19:05>> 3 minutes.
19:07>> It's about details, really; with
19:09accounting, all these details add up
19:11every day and actually change
19:12everything.
19:15>> The pride was very complicated in the
19:17United States. When we organized China,
19:19it was twice as complicated. We thought
19:21, it will surely be much simpler to
19:22organize Europe. 10 times harder in
19:24countries like this. Every time, you
19:26need a fixer, or a type of fixer,
19:27except that here the problem is that,
19:29since we are going to many countries,
19:31well, we need as many fixers, or at
19:33least champions per country, as there
19:35are countries. If we do six countries,
19:36well, it adds to the whole thing.
19:38We’ve never left so last minute, even
19:40though we’ve never sent so many
19:41messages and requests, and spoken with
19:42so many people beforehand. We are going
19:51to interview Rafał Brzoska. He is the
19:54founder of InPost, which is a huge
19:56parcel logistics company, and it’s
19:57the company that bought Mondial Relay.
19:59>> What's crazy is that this guy is also a
20:01superstar. As soon as we say his name,
20:03their faces light up; they know exactly
20:06who he is. Oucha. 50
20:23>> The problem is the birth rate, which is
20:26just a catastrophe, like, a global
20:28catastrophe. You’re really in the
20:29worst of the worst. It’s a big
20:31challenge, knowing that these countries
20:33don’t have a real culture of
20:34immigration, there’s a point where
20:36the math just won't add up. Indeed, we
20:49are observing what could be called a
20:51dramatic drop. Immigration, one of the
21:00major problems in Europe according to
21:02many; we heard about it in Poland, in
21:04Eastern European countries, in France
21:06obviously; it is also one of the main
21:08reasons that led the United Kingdom to
21:10Brexit.
21:12>> We wanted to do a bit on a country that
21:14is potentially going to join, and do a
21:16bit on a country that left, which might
21:18even come back one day, the United
21:19Kingdom. Right now, as we speak, we are
21:39almost exactly 10 years after the
21:41Brexit vote, which still stunned half
21:43of the English people of course, but in
21:45London, there were all these papers
21:47that were headlining "rejoin EU" for
21:49the first time. So we are in front of a
22:05soup kitchen and Paul here explains to
22:07us that he had voted for Brexit. I read
22:19that immigration
22:35>> but you can still feel that Brexit
22:36didn't have the expected effect. He was
22:39sold things, particularly regarding
22:41immigration, that didn't work at all.
22:43This temptation of turning inward, a
22:45first episode 10 years ago with the
22:47United Kingdom leaving Europe; it is
22:49now proven that the Brexit campaign was
22:51built on arguments that were totally
22:53false. Poland joined the EU in 2000
23:23>> 2000, was it 2004 or 2005? 2004
23:25>> 2004, right. They really saw Europe as
23:28a hope, and for them, it was fantastic
23:30to join the Union.
23:32>> However, there is still an
23:33anti-European sentiment that is growing
23:35.
23:36>> I think what really triggered it was
23:38when Europe tried to force immigration
23:40quotas. That was around 2015, right,
23:44and so on. That was the point, uh then
23:57went to non economy migration, religion
24:10, tolerance, freedom of speech, and so
24:13forth, where Europe regulating through
24:27a shift in Europe where nationalism is
24:30on the rise that many people are
24:36getting unhappy and it's underlying
24:38like it's not due to us, it's due to
24:39others, we should be by ourselves. The
24:45fact that there are conflicts between
24:47neighbors and identity-related
24:48conflicts makes the subject even more
24:50complex. That’s where you see that
24:52there are also emotional and therefore
24:54irrational reasons. And that is what
24:56complicates the fact of really uniting
24:58and forming a union. traveling said
25:06from Ukra
25:22>> I am 'deb' in my blood, I'm not even
25:23Corsican, I'm 'deb', and there is a
25:25little bit of a war between the two,
25:26but when you are outside of Corsica,
25:28you're Corsican. I am Parisian. When I
25:31am abroad, I support the French team, I
25:33am with my brothers from Marseille.
25:34>> Paradoxically, one of the most European
25:36among us was Charles de Gaulle, and yet
25:38he worked enormously for French
25:40sovereignty. He understood that
25:43national interests were very important
25:44to preserve, but that our national
25:46interests could ultimately only exist
25:47in harmony with our neighbors as well.
25:55You must be incredibly stupid to not be
25:57for Europe. When the Ukrainian war
26:01started and tanks rolled in from the
26:03west into our country to help us defend
26:05, those were German tanks, those were
26:06Dutch tanks, there were French people
26:08here. You are defending our borders. We
26:12very much understand
26:27>> That is the Russians, I think it’s a
26:28Russian drone.
26:29>> Great. They are leaving
26:34>> In 3 or 4 days, we are going to Ukraine
26:36. Except we didn't have a return ticket
26:38.
26:38>> The concern is not staying more than 48
26:39hours, is that it? Uh no, the press is
26:42back.
26:43>> Actually, a few days ago, there were
26:45still overnight trains back. We didn't
26:47take them because our schedule wasn't
26:49set. I find that now there have been
26:52bombings in Kyiv, so there are no more
26:55return trains. So, we needed a fallback
26:58plan.
26:58>> That's right.
26:59>> And so, we're going back by bus. The
27:09crazy thing we've seen in all these
27:11countries, which I personally felt much
27:13more in Poland where I went a few years
27:15after it left the Soviet bloc in the
27:1790s, is the hardcore transformation.
27:21You see the Polish GDP, it has more
27:22than doubled in 20 years. You arrive in
27:24Warsaw, the prices are almost the same
27:26as in Paris.
27:27>> These are the former communist bloc
27:28countries. Look at that. This is 2025
27:30and that is before. There you go. The
27:35change is definitely radical. You can
27:37see it on every street corner. It's the
27:39speed at which all of this has evolved.
27:41Honestly, you tell yourself we have
27:43nothing to envy the Chinese. There are
27:45parts of Europe that have evolved very
27:46strongly.
27:52>> It's a former abandoned USSR theater.
27:54>> That's the real reason. And so we're
27:56coming to take a look. So I think we
27:58can't visit inside because it's only on
27:59weekends, but we can see it from the
28:01outside and wow, it's crazy. And the
28:13best way to protect Europe is to
28:15develop it to the max.
28:17>> The cops are arriving
28:18>> here too. It's funny, I heard the siren
28:21. I told myself that's for
28:23>> it's maybe the drone.
28:33>> Drone, it flew for a minute. OK.
28:36Without exaggerating, a minute later,
28:38the cops were there. Two cars.
28:40>> Europe's problem for many people is
28:43security. Actually, everyone has their
28:44own opinion on that. Here, security is
28:46handled. We still went to China, to the
28:48United States. Uh, we traveled the
28:50world to Brazil and so on. We we have
28:53never had an interaction with a cop. Or
28:55else we would ask them if we could fly
28:57the drone. Even in China, you remember
28:59several times in large squares and so
29:01on in Brazil, you say "Wait, the guys
29:02might be a bit corrupt and all that."
29:05>> It also tells me, I find, the level of
29:07tension that exists in a country
29:08bordering Russia. If I had been from
29:12Alsace, perhaps I would have a better
29:13understanding, a better experience of
29:14what it's like to live in a border
29:16country. Here, we have 300, maybe 300
29:19to 350 km between the far west and the
29:22Russian border. And Estonians still
29:26have a rather painful history with
29:29Russia, the USSR.
29:32>> You see, their geographical proximity
29:34completely changes the situation
29:36compared to us, who are so far away.
29:38>> Do you know what that is? OK.
29:40>> The Russian neighbor who has his
29:43embassy just right there. We feel a
29:45little bit of tension, though, don't we
29:46?
29:47>> People stopping, the police don't
29:49really like cameras everywhere. The
29:52police officer who walks by and comes
29:54back.
29:59>> Something we hadn't exactly seen to
30:01that extent, but it's the proximity to
30:03Russia. That these are former vassals
30:06of the USSR, which we sometimes read
30:08between the lines in the news we see
30:09here and there; Vladimir Putin and some
30:11Russians think that they are still
30:13their vassals and that, in fact, they
30:15are their brothers, it's their land,
30:17and so on. In Estonia, in Lithuania, we
30:20really felt this pro-European sentiment
30:22. I think it is essentially linked to
30:25the threat at their border, the Russian
30:27threat. Not just an economic or
30:30political threat, it's a physical
30:32threat.
30:52>> We are going to see a company called
30:545.0 Robotics, whose very first client
30:57was a British F1 team, and now they are
31:00investing quite a bit in defense.
31:03>> The fun fact is that the first visit we
31:06made in Shenzhen was to a robotic arm
31:09company, Dobot. Now, Dobot was a wild
31:13experience because, from what I
31:15remember, it still cost two or three
31:17grand, and so here we are really in
31:19another dimension. A production line of
31:334 square meters, right? So, he tells us
31:35that this is worth € 200,000 versus a
31:37large production line that is super
31:39complex to set up, and so on. You'd
31:41have to build in the countryside or
31:42elsewhere, and besides, it's mobile, so
31:44...there was back to nowads destroy
31:58everywhere so that means that we need
32:01to have this factorage what we can
32:05quickly to be scale up to Ouf,
32:13>> it's the factory of the future.
32:34>> He just told us that you can make
32:36missiles in there. Then he said, "But
32:39now that I've told you, I'll have to
32:41close the container and never let you
32:43out again." What’s also striking is
33:10that what pushes us to be creative and
33:12move fast is an emergency situation
33:14linked to the war, after all. You see,
33:16this company existed before Ukraine,
33:18but its activity accelerated because
33:20there is a war on Europe’s doorstep.
33:22He even switched his market because you
33:24get the impression that in all the
33:25other parts of the world, there’s
33:27this notion of always being in an
33:28emergency, even if you’re not in a
33:30war zone. We’ve perhaps lost a bit of
33:32that in Europe, you see.
33:43>> After these countries, we decided to go
33:44to Ukraine. Why is it interesting to go
33:45to Ukraine right now? What is at stake
33:47there?
33:48>> It is the country that crystallizes the
33:50clashes between blocs. Actually, I’m
33:58already fed up, even though
34:00>> we are at 1%of the trip we have to make
34:03.
34:04>> Right now, we have a 3-hour train in an
34:06hour and a half. Okay. Then we’ll
34:08wait another hour and a half. After
34:10that, we have 15 hours of train, 12
34:11hours of train, I don't even know,
34:13overnight. So, it’s going to be a
34:14long train ride. Going to Ukraine is a
34:23complicated decision, already because
34:25it involves responsibilities—you see,
34:27I have to take on quite significant
34:29responsibilities regarding the whole
34:30team—but it’s a necessary decision.
34:34You have no choice but to go to Ukraine
34:36if you want to talk about Europe today.
34:38>> The constant background noise everyone
34:40has in Europe today is this threat from
34:42Russia, and that Ukraine is ultimately
34:44the last bulwark against the invader.
34:51>> To think we were in Warsaw and you
34:52travel for 2 hours 52 minutes, which is
34:54nothing. It’s like Paris to Marseille
34:57, and you end up in a country at war
34:59with hundreds of thousands of deaths.
35:02It’s quite striking, really. OK. It
35:15has now been more than 50 months that
35:17there has been no civilian air traffic
35:19over Ukraine. So the only ways to reach
35:23Kyiv are trains, a few buses, and
35:25obviously, the car. Let’s not lie to
35:30ourselves, there was a huge amount of
35:32apprehension as soon as we decided we
35:34would make a stop in Kyiv. A little
35:36knot in the stomach. There we go. I
35:42think we are 5 minutes from the border.
35:45We’re almost there. We
35:47>> we all knew that this work was
35:49extremely
35:50>> heavy, after all.
35:52>> Coming here can be seen a bit like
35:54voyeurism or sensationalism. What would
35:57we even be doing here? We are not war
35:58reporters.
35:59>> Every time we met a Ukrainian, they
36:01were extremely grateful that we came,
36:02that we cared, that we came to film,
36:04and above all, that we brought the
36:05footage back to France. There's just
36:15been an immediate alert. It’s
36:21directly to the nearest one, so a
36:24contact in Ukraine gave us an app
36:27called Air Alert to download and locate
36:30. We arrive in 3 minutes. 3 minutes to
36:47Kyiv after 14 hours of traveling.
36:51>> Yeah, actually not bad at all. It’s
37:09not the vibe of the
37:12>> It feels like the USSR, like a
37:14melancholic film about the USSR.
37:15>> It feels a bit like Good Bye, Lenin!
37:17You know that movie. It’s the wake-up
37:25call. It’s quite strange, you know,
37:27we’re really emerging. Plus, you’re
37:28emerging into this city that we talk
37:30about all the time, which is at war,
37:32and yet there are so many people. You
37:35pass by KFC, Vodafone, Ibis, all the
37:37brands like Samsung, so life is there,
37:40you see. You realize that, well, you
38:00are in a country at war nonetheless,
38:02because, well,
38:04>> this type of ad; since this morning, we
38:06also saw military recruitment ads. If
38:12the future of Ukraine is really being
38:14played out right now, will Ukraine
38:15finally succeed in establishing its
38:16independence by force? Several times in
38:19its modern history, in fact, Ukraine
38:21tried—for example, in early 1921,
38:24there was a Ukrainian independence
38:25revolution that was crushed in blood by
38:27Lenin—and this is ultimately their
38:29war of independence. What’s pretty
38:53crazy is that you know, when you’re a
38:55kid, you see these old wars, 39-45,
38:57they’re really relics of the past.
38:59Now, you think, uh, all this happened
39:01this year, last year—I mean, all
39:03those things you see, there were young
39:05guys in them. Uh Zelensky said, "Last
39:10month, there were about 30,000 Russians
39:13dead or seriously wounded, and for the
39:16Ukrainians, it's about a third of that.
39:18""So, the 1 to 3 ratio, that’s 10,000
39:21per month." Per month, can you imagine?
39:44Maidan Square in Kyiv. It’s where the
39:46revolution took place that sort of
39:48started everything originally.
39:51>> No, it’s quite striking to be here.
39:52It’s a square we’ve seen a lot on
39:53the news channels, after all. It’s
39:55truly the heart of the Ukrainian
39:57revolts. Perhaps the most significant
40:00event, which is linked to current
40:02affairs today, is Yanukovych, a former
40:05Ukrainian president who, in 2013,
40:07refused to associate with the European
40:09Union under pressure from Russia, which
40:11provoked the black rage of the
40:13Ukrainian people, who gathered in this
40:15square and set up camps day and night.
40:20It lasted several weeks, several months
40:21, to protest against Yanukovych's
40:23decision, which was manipulated by
40:25Russia. Finally,
40:32>> Yanukovych eventually left power in
40:35February or March 2014. In Ukraine,
40:38there was no longer a president, there
40:39was no longer an executive, which
40:41accelerated, let's say, the annexation
40:42of Crimea by Russia several weeks later
40:44. The conflict between Ukraine and
40:47Russia, even if it has very deep roots,
40:49in our modern era, it really started
40:51here, you know.
40:53>> The first time I came here was in 2011.
40:55So, it was a period when Ukraine was
40:57still quite Soviet in that way. That
40:59was the Yanukovych era, they called it
41:01that from 2014 to 2022. There was a bit
41:03of a shift between the, let's say,
41:05rather pro-Russian Ukraine and the
41:06Ukraine that was becoming more and more
41:08pro-European. And having also lived in
41:10Russia for a year, I noticed it too.
41:13And in fact, the Russians always saw
41:14the Ukrainians as a people, a bit of a
41:16sub-people, and so on. And when they
41:18realized that, in fact, the median
41:19salary in Ukraine was higher than in
41:21Russia, they said, "Well, that's not
41:22possible." And I think that's what
41:25fundamentally bothered Vladimir Putin
41:27because he didn't want to see a country
41:29on Russia's border with elections, a
41:31democracy. Succeeding where Russia
41:34hadn't ultimately succeeded. In my
41:36opinion, that is one of the reasons why
41:38the large-scale war of 2022 began. It
41:45is, after all, a struggle of values. We
41:47are in Ukraine here. We've talked with
41:49many, many people in clubs, in bars, at
41:51restaurants, and so on. And Ukrainians
41:54have the same values as we do. Meaning
41:56we aspire to the same things.
41:57>> Several Ukrainians told us, "But what
42:00we are afraid of isn't the bombs or the
42:02shelling and such over Kyiv. What we
42:04are afraid of is the loss of our
42:06identity." from the Netherlands you
42:15there.
42:29>> I think that indeed when you are here,
42:30when you see the bombings and the
42:32impact war has, you can only want to
42:33avoid war. Yeah.
42:35>> On the other hand, when I return to
42:36France, it’s not the same planet, not
42:37even the same continent, it’s two
42:38different worlds. It’s that we live
42:40in two different realities.
42:42>> And I think we have forgotten to what
42:44extent Europe has managed to pacify a
42:46continent
42:48>> that had been at war for 1,000 years,
42:49from the medieval era to the
42:51Renaissance, through to modern wars.
42:52You
42:53>> have an entire generation that lives
42:54without ever having known that.
42:55>> Exactly. The future of Europe is at
43:04stake in Ukraine because if we abandon
43:06Ukraine, we abandon Estonia, we abandon
43:08Lithuania, we abandon Hungary, we
43:10abandon all these countries that are in
43:12immediate proximity to Russia. Arriving
43:29in Kyiv, the capital of a country at
43:31war, we expected everything except this
43:33. A kind of ultra-modern Station F that
43:36continues to invest, to innovate,
43:39including in areas outside of defense.
43:44An innovation city by [the] of Ukraine.
44:01Hi guys, how are you? We saw that they
44:11were still building Station F-style
44:12projects with 200 million dollars of
44:14investment during the war. You tell
44:16yourself it's crazy. I mean, from afar,
44:18we get the impression that everything
44:19has stopped, that people are hiding,
44:20etc. moment,
44:21>> you have hundreds of companies growing
44:23in two years from 10 people to 300, 800
44:26people.
44:29>> One principle he mentions is that
44:31entrepreneurs and innovation actually
44:33need calm and peace. And so that’s
44:37why they create all these bubbles of
44:39sports, art, theater, he said, because
44:42they absolutely want the entrepreneurs
44:44who are here to feel peaceful so they
44:46can think, innovate, and move forward.
44:50You can feel the drive in there. They
44:52are there. They're working. I think it
45:03was from the Monday to Tuesday. We have
45:08the very hard bombarding here. Missiles
45:11coming here on this part. It fell there
45:14. It fell over there. It was really
45:18hard and you see it damaged a big chunk
45:21of our units. But we will rebuild it.
45:24This is no problem. Uh, the most
45:27unfortunate thing is that people died
45:30here, and a lady, 29 years old, with
45:32two kids. They were running to our unit
45:36city and she didn't make it. She didn't
45:39make it by 40 meters, unfortunately.
45:45When we arrive, Constantin explains to
45:48us, "Well, yes, a ballistic missile
45:51landed here 4 days ago." You see the
45:54the the smashed cars and all the
45:56brand-new stuff. This building is brand
45:58new. There’s nothing left. Everything
45:59is torn apart.
46:00>> It's a city that was somewhat preserved
46:02for long periods during this conflict,
46:04but right now there are a lot of drone
46:05attacks. The threat of ballistic
46:09missiles too. Damn!
46:11>> Oh [ __ ]! Look at the car.
46:16>> So, the explosion hit right here. Look
46:19at that, it was finished. Look, it was
46:21finished. Today is Friday, it happened
46:22Monday.
46:23>> It was Monday. You go through, in the
46:45same day, 15 times of "holy [ __ ]," but
46:47the city lives, they are used to the
46:48war, they live with it. Here, you
46:52arrive and it’s like Station F times
46:5410, it's extraordinary, everything is
46:56magnificent, etc., and then you arrive
46:57and he shows you all the impact marks
46:59from the explosion four days ago, half
47:01the buildings destroyed.
47:03>> It’s a contrast you actually
47:05experience 10 times a day. I find it...
47:07>> And what’s crazy is that you see, you
47:08arrive here, well, he is very chill,
47:10relaxed, etc. He shows you this, he
47:12says, "Well, yeah, look, it's like this
47:14, we'll rebuild," actually, everywhere
47:16you have people, but 3 days later.
47:18>> Yes, it's that word resilience, all
47:20that, that we perhaps use a bit loosely
47:22.
47:23>> Over there, you get a—you get a heavy
47:25dose of resilience.
47:26>> You don't know what life is like...You
47:28see to what extent, for them, life goes
47:30on. You ask them, "But how do you do it
47:31?" They say, "Actually, we have no
47:32choice." In our place, you would do the
47:34same. We keep moving forward, we keep
47:36working. We just understand that this
47:38is part of the reality and you need to
47:40accept it. You can change something
47:42that you can change. If you can change
47:44it, try to understand in which part you
47:47can change it. If you will think about
47:50you know what another bomb will come in
47:52in three days, you you need to leave.
47:54That's the part of the game. Life in
48:03Europe is too comfortable. This is
48:06reality. We hunger. We urgency. The
48:10people that work here have seen this
48:12country go from failed Soviet liberated
48:14state to where it is today. The
48:17Lithuanians very freshly have in their
48:19mind what it takes to build something
48:22that is comfortable. And what Western
48:25European countries forgot is that if
48:27you want to build your economy, you
48:29need to work for it and you need to
48:31defend your freedoms and you need to
48:34fight corruption and you need to try to
48:36improve what you have. Only if you do
48:38that, you might have the chance that
48:40you're lucky enough that that's going
48:42to pay off for you. They understand
48:44very very well what is at risk. I think
48:48that a lot of people in western Europe
48:51uh they are too nice but what I see
48:53that there are a lot of people coming
48:56outside and they are aggressive and you
48:59guys tolerating. And if you tolerating
49:02meaning that that they will take over
49:05you. Aggression will always take over
49:07you if not protect yourself. Like maybe
49:1010 people. Now check what's going on.
49:13I'll tell you. Come on. Let's go. I'm
49:22checking. It's not but at least you
49:28know where the bullsh, right? Not yet.
49:42When you hear them, you don't even know
49:43what it means anymore in the end. You
49:45wonder: "Yes, well, it's strange, I
49:46hear them once in a while." Here, you
49:47hear them, it's not noon, it's not the
49:49first Wednesday of the month, and then
49:50suddenly, your app goes off and, well,
49:52you're told you have to go to the
49:54bunker, to the shelter downstairs.
49:55>> Did you see the map? Look,
49:59>> where are we? Well, we're here.
50:01>> OK. OK, it doesn't show it actually.
50:04But on the other hand, look,
50:12>> we're actually in the parking lot which
50:15has been turned into what's called a
50:17shelter, so a refuge for the bombings.
50:20We're going down, we're at least two
50:23levels down and since there's often a
50:25need to work, because sometimes there
50:27are alerts during the day,
50:29>> they've built, you see, underground
50:32offices. Look, wow. Holy cow! So that's
50:37it, it's in the parking lot. It's like
50:57in a science fiction movie, the danger.
51:16Here, can you just say again how much
51:18time you have for ballistic before you
51:21get the warnings? Well, ballistic, it
51:24depends where to. You go back out, and
51:37then, it's the evening, and you go
51:38drink a spritz, or a beer on a terrace,
51:40and then at night, here we go again, it
51:42starts over, you head back to the
51:44shelter. Yes.
51:56>> We are an hour and a half drive from
51:57Kyiv here. We left this morning at 7
51:59a.m. by car. The company we're going to
52:00see is a Ukrainian company called
52:02Tencor. We have a 3-hour drive to reach
52:04a test range. We’ve arrived at the
52:09Tencor test range. So, this is their
52:12drone testing area. The problem is that
52:16anything filmed here facing outward—
52:18you see a tent, a cat, or some object
52:20—can actually be geolocated and
52:21immediately identified from above, so
52:23we really have to be very vigilant
52:25about
52:27>> what we’re filming. They tell us even
52:29trees can be recognized, you see. So,
52:35>> these vehicles, the UGVs, are
52:37completely modular and
52:38remote-controlled. Meaning they’re
52:41remote-operated and you can attach
52:43plenty of modules to them. That means
52:45you can add weapons, or go to retrieve
52:46a wounded person. No second person has
52:48to risk their life. It’s that simple.
53:02>> What do you think, Chris?
53:04>> It’s incredible. Well, you really see
53:07here that conflicts in 2026 have
53:09nothing to do with those from a few
53:10years ago. I mean, it changes
53:13everything. It changes absolutely
53:14everything. It’s almost like the
53:16arrival of military aviation in
53:19conflicts. I mean, it’s really on the
53:22same scale.
53:23>> Uh, Altares—we founded the company a
53:24little over 2 and a half years ago now.
53:26Today, we’re a company specializing
53:27in what’s called ground-to-air
53:29defense, or air defense. The great
53:31strength of the Ukrainians has been to
53:33unite many different companies around
53:35this mission. So today, there are more
53:37than twenty or thirty companies working
53:39like us in this segment. It’s not
53:41about who has the most resources;
53:43it’s about who can iterate the
53:45fastest that will manage to stay in
53:47this crazy technological race.
53:49>> They produce everything in a kind of
53:51short-circuit loop where the front
53:53provides the feedback. It’s the
53:54different commands, the different
53:56regiments, that will be able to order
53:57what they need. Okay. We are
54:12discovering what a machine-gun robot is
54:17, really. Basically,
54:19>> why is there a
54:24>> Oh my god! I wasn't ready at all. So,
54:37the very weird thing is that we still
54:39have the impression, it looks like
54:41we’re in a game with the impression
54:46of being in a video game with a remote
54:47control, but actually, not at all. Okay
54:49. Yes, we will control it from there.
55:00They are inspired by video games to
55:02award points. If you shoot a tank, for
55:03example, and damage it, it’s 40
55:05points. If you destroy it, it’s 50
55:07points. If it’s a missile launcher,
55:08it’s 60 points. 6 points. But
55:11basically, the idea behind these points
55:12isn't to give you money and bonuses,
55:14it's to re-equip you. And so all these
55:16points I gave, they probably won't be
55:17valid anymore when this documentary
55:19comes out because they actually change
55:21based on command objectives. It's the
55:23best way to reach people daily and have
55:26exactly the objectives you're meeting.
55:29The ratio, it's still a war of money as
55:30we see in Iran. The Tomahawk or Patriot
55:34versus the 30,000 dollar Shahed. The
55:37Ukrainians right now are bringing out a
55:39ballistic missile that will be 4, 5, 6
55:41times cheaper than a Patriot missile,
55:43than an American missile. 700,000 euros
55:46. It will be ready early next year. You
55:48can make a missile like that in 18
55:50months when you're in need and you're
55:52forced to have it. Okay? That changes
55:54the game.
55:55>> We live in a very violent world and
55:56what the Ukrainians are saying today,
55:58here, we aren't aware of. But I think
56:00we've changed worlds: a world where the
56:02use of force is totally democratized by
56:03what we saw in the Middle East, but
56:05also what we see here and even by the
56:06Americans. I mean, when they remove a
56:09president the day after New Year's.
56:12>> And actually, it's the shape of
56:13international law as we know it, and
56:15it's the uninhibited use of force we
56:16see today. Ura I've actually watched
56:33your country in big trouble done a lot
56:36of talking. It's the country that
56:47crystallizes the bloc confrontations.
56:50The first is Europe versus Russia. It's
56:53Putin versus Europe, which is trying to
56:55show that Europe doesn't exist. Who
56:57else is trying to divide all that?
56:59Donald Trump. Okay. He humiliates
57:03Zelensky. Ukraine The Americans have
57:24one fear, and that's a real, strong
57:25Europe. There is a real European
57:27dependency from every point of view,
57:29but since the World War, the Americans
57:30have done everything to ensure there's
57:32no European independence, after all. On
57:34the contrary,
57:35>> they have no interest in having a bloc.
57:36They want a market, but not a political
57:38bloc that's too strong because,
57:40obviously, that creates a power.
57:41Obviously, China is playing a game in
57:43all of this. They are funding the
57:44Russian side more. The Americans were
57:46funding the Ukrainians more. Now they
57:48have other fish to fry. And right now,
57:50we all realize that we have to manage
57:52on our own, that we need to have our
57:53own weapons. We manage to make a Rafale
57:56, which is a 100%French fighter jet. We
57:59couldn't manage to make a drone.
58:00>> Why wouldn't we be able to make a drone
58:01? Ultimately, the war happening here is
58:03also a war for the future of our
58:05continent, to show that we don't need
58:07to be dependent on either the Russians,
58:09the Chinese, or the Americans. So, this
58:11is where the European Union is
58:12investing a lot of resources today to
58:13have what we call this value chain,
58:15this supply chain that is as European
58:16as possible. What's crazy is that he
58:20can operate the UGV really from a
58:23distance. He could be on another
58:25continent and carry out shots with a
58:28range of 1 to 5 km, which is just
58:31insane.
58:38>> On the map, you realize that houses are
58:42destroyed. You see the streets, you see
58:44the place, and you zoom in, and
58:45actually only 10%of the buildings
58:46remain. Everything is destroyed.
58:48>> After that, there are tons of things
58:49that go wrong. I mean, this CECAF and
58:51all that, well, maybe that's not your
58:53topic.
58:53>> There have been successes, but there
58:55have also been European failures in
58:57terms of defense. Today, what we need
58:59to remember, I think, is the initiative
59:01taken by certain companies. So,
59:03ultimately, it's not so much the
59:04countries that are taking it; it's
59:06companies deciding to form alliances
59:07between several European countries. One
59:09of the most technological armies in the
59:11world today is the Ukrainian army. So
59:14it's better to have the Ukrainians on
59:15our side than on the side of the
59:17Americans or other countries with whom
59:18we might not necessarily share the same
59:20values.
59:34>> We are in Poland. We are in Poland. I
59:37have never felt as much at home as I do
59:39today in Poland. You too? It's weird,
59:42as soon as you cross the border, you
59:43say "Damn,
59:44>> we're at home, it's very strange."
59:46Whereas normally, well, when you arrive
59:47in Poland, you'd say "I'm not at home."
59:59If I realize that America is now no
1:00:01longer fully democratic, that less than
1:00:038%of the world lives in a democracy,
1:00:05and almost all of them are Europeans.
1:00:09Do you think, do you believe they feel
1:00:10European themselves here? I don't know
1:00:13so far. Uh, I think they've really made
1:00:14the choice. They wanted to belong to
1:00:16Russia. That was a very simple way of
1:00:17belonging to Russia. In some ways, I
1:00:19think they understand better what it is
1:00:21to be European than we do because they
1:00:23realize that to be European is to be
1:00:24free. I think there is a major sense
1:00:29now of pride, yeah, in Europe. A lot of
1:00:33Europeans are now saying, "I'm actually
1:00:35proud of being European." It is an
1:00:38important shift in mindset. We need to
1:00:40go further. Europeans are very good at
1:00:43criticizing. This is what we learn in
1:00:45university. That's what we get high
1:00:46marks for. So we always criticize. So
1:00:49we never say, like, wow, thanks to us
1:00:51Ukraine is still living in freedom,
1:00:53which is the case. If we had been the
1:00:56cheese-eating, cappuccino-drinking,
1:00:58piano-playing, part-time working,
1:01:00decadent losers that Americans and
1:01:02Russians always say we are, how come
1:01:04this country is still standing? You go
1:01:08from Stockholm to Copenhagen to Warsaw
1:01:10to Vienna to Milan to Paris to Berlin
1:01:13to Munich. DNA. China is strong because
1:01:31it is united. It is united. A bit of
1:01:33strength, eh? You have to see that too.
1:01:36I mean, does the European flag really
1:01:38make you feel something? For me, it’s
1:01:40starting to move me by doing this.
1:01:41It’s starting to move me.
1:01:49>> So here, we are next to a village
1:01:50called Getrichovitz. Well, for sure it
1:01:52isn't pronounced like that, but there
1:01:53you go, that's how it's spelled. Almost
1:01:55at the border between the Czech
1:01:57Republic, Poland, and Germany. OK. And
1:01:59we are right next to a region called
1:02:01Dresden. One of the places where you
1:02:05have an entire conglomerate of
1:02:07companies that make semiconductors,
1:02:09basically chips. It's a place called
1:02:11Silicon Saxony.
1:02:15>> This huge industrial gamble is one of
1:02:17the first concrete actions of the Chips
1:02:19Act. In response to China's massive
1:02:23investments, we created the Chips Act,
1:02:26which gave birth notably to Silicon
1:02:28Saxony in Dresden, Germany.
1:02:30>> It's Europe's response to China, you
1:02:33see,
1:02:33>> with a Taiwanese company. The goal is
1:02:45to mobilize more than 43 billion euros
1:02:47of public and private money to double
1:02:49the European share of global chip
1:02:51production from roughly 10%to 20%by
1:02:532030.
1:02:55>> When we were in China, we used to say
1:02:57we need to do joint ventures. Well, the
1:02:59Chinese, they imposed joint ventures;
1:03:01it was generally 51%Chinese, 49%
1:03:03>> 70%conglomerate 4 companies, TSMC
1:03:09setting up shop with Bosch, NXP, and
1:03:11Infineon. BMW didn't make Skoda's
1:03:16mistake and is deploying billions and
1:03:18highly sophisticated robots to develop
1:03:20solutions to fight the invasion of
1:03:22Chinese vehicles.
1:03:28>> Here we are in Munich. Munich is
1:03:30clearly BMW City. Now, it's true that
1:03:45no one has seen yet what you are seeing
1:03:48, since it's the assembly of the new
1:03:50BMW i3. It’s a 100-year-old factory.
1:03:53Historically, of course, they made
1:03:55combustion engines.
1:03:56>> 10 billion in investments.
1:03:57>> Yeah, that's it. To switch completely
1:03:59to electric. And so here, it's all
1:04:01beautiful, all new. When we went to
1:04:02China last year, you would get into
1:04:05these cars. Well, you have to see the
1:04:07footage, but it really blew our minds,
1:04:08it completely switched your perspective
1:04:09. Or
1:04:10>> the question is, will they manage to
1:04:12pull through? Are we still ready in
1:04:14Europe to make cars in a totally
1:04:16sovereign way and sell them worldwide?
1:04:19So it is, after all, a brand that is in
1:04:21full mutation, in full transformation.
1:04:24>> We have the—so it comes from the
1:04:26paint shop right across the way
1:04:28>> and everything arrives here to be
1:04:30assembled. So this is one of the parts
1:04:34they make here. So this is the rear,
1:04:35you see, the wheel comes to be attached
1:04:36here. It goes from workshop to workshop
1:04:38, from robot to robot.
1:04:40>> China is capable today of producing
1:04:43trains that are extremely efficient.
1:04:46But Alstom today remains a major player
1:04:48in the rail market. Why? Because they
1:04:50didn't stand still. And today, we
1:04:52shouldn't be afraid of competition. On
1:04:54the contrary, we should welcome it
1:04:56because it’s what stimulates us. We
1:05:01see that the Chinese are willing to
1:05:02invest. We need to make sure that
1:05:04investment is on a level playing field
1:05:06and it's done fairly. Be very, very
1:05:08careful in terms of the type of
1:05:10discriminatory measures that you
1:05:11introduce, because it's a...still, when
1:05:21you say 1,000 vehicles per day, that
1:05:24means per shop or per workshop, you
1:05:26have like a little over a minute, you
1:05:28know. It's going to go fast.
1:05:30>> From the very beginning at the press
1:05:31shop, so the moment they press the
1:05:32materials, the metal, the aluminum,
1:05:34until the moment the car is completely
1:05:35finished and rolls out, it's about 30
1:05:36hours. So, one car takes 30 hours to
1:05:39produce. The industry, that’s a
1:05:43timeframe to make a car, it takes
1:05:44almost ten years from when it’s
1:05:46conceived to when it comes out. going
1:05:48to transform an entire industry in just
1:05:51a few years. Meaning that 2035, believe
1:05:53it or not, is tomorrow; we are
1:05:55transforming, we are offering products
1:05:56to our customers, and then it's about
1:05:58how our customers react. Poland mostly
1:06:12because of the legal framework, because
1:06:15of that criticism, I was asked by Prime
1:06:17Minister Donald Tusk more than a year
1:06:20ago to run the deregulation
1:06:22simplification; the prime minister said
1:06:24, "Are you taking that challenge?"
1:06:28because I'm a Scorpio. I never said I
1:06:34will sacrifice days of my private and
1:06:37business life; within a week I built
1:06:40600 experts working pro bono, and we
1:06:42have proposed 500 simplification acts
1:06:48for the Polish economy; until now 200
1:06:52are implemented, another 150 are
1:06:55undergoing legal parliamentary work. If
1:07:02you have been entering a room at the
1:07:04European Commission with six Apple
1:07:06engineers and there are three
1:07:08commission lawyers, you know the
1:07:11meaning of asymmetric warfare because
1:07:13the Apple engineers kill them. Simple
1:07:17as that. The commission doesn't know
1:07:19what anyone is talking about in the
1:07:20room. So in 100 days you can achieve a
1:07:24lot. I was times in Brussels studying
1:07:29people. Estonia is the first country to
1:07:42have succeeded in making this total
1:07:44transition to a digital state and
1:07:45simplification.
1:07:47>> In France, we talk about great civil
1:07:50servants, whereas here, the state
1:07:52exists to simplify life. We often
1:07:55criticize Europe, France, Germany,
1:07:57perhaps Italy, or all of Southern
1:07:58Europe in particular, for its
1:08:00bureaucracy. They all tell you that
1:08:02it's actually simple here; you ask a
1:08:03question, and you get the answer right
1:08:04away. You want something? Yes, no,
1:08:06right away.
1:08:07>> Every day when I log into my bank to
1:08:09make a transfer or what have you, I use
1:08:12the exact same thing as the day I go to
1:08:14vote online. The most incredible thing
1:08:18for French people is that the law
1:08:20states that the state has no right to
1:08:22ask you for the same information twice
1:08:24in your life. The system is what it is.
1:08:33We are not going to improve on that
1:08:34system. It will not happen because
1:08:42regulate Yeah. Ok. One last. Everybody
1:09:11knows that this. Yes. Can you explain
1:09:16to me how this can you just explain to
1:09:20me how this decision has been made? I
1:09:24think this is one example of an EU
1:09:26decision which is discussed maybe
1:09:29sometimes in a negative way, but I
1:09:31think it's good to question things, to
1:09:34control a little bit, but I think it's
1:09:36not only one way, people have to Europe
1:09:47the European
1:09:51>> I believe the lessons to be learned in
1:09:53Europe are clearly where we went. This
1:09:56continent is not short on talent; it is
1:09:58short on decision-making. Well, you
1:10:00might tell yourself that none of this
1:10:02concerns you at all, that after all,
1:10:04Russia isn't invading France. Since we
1:10:07finished filming, Russian drones have
1:10:09entered Polish, Estonian, Bulgarian,
1:10:12and German airspace, and no single
1:10:14European country has the scale to
1:10:16respond. Not France, not Germany, not
1:10:19anyone. When we talk about European
1:10:22fatigue, we don't ask ourselves enough
1:10:23what France would look like without
1:10:25Europe. We wouldn't have had 80 years
1:10:26without waging war against each other.
1:10:27We wouldn't have had vaccines bought
1:10:29all together during Covid, but 27
1:10:31countries outbidding each other. And
1:10:33today, facing Chinese products and
1:10:35American tariffs, we wouldn't have had
1:10:37a market of 450 million consumers, but
1:10:39a small country of 70 million people
1:10:41all alone. One can be pro-European but
1:10:44not for this Europe. A Europe that
1:10:47pushes forward, not a Europe that holds
1:10:48us back. What we refuse is fatalism.
1:10:58>> Could the 3, 4, 5, a core group of
1:11:01candidates, do it now? That is not the
1:11:03solution.
1:11:04>> Yes, but first we must perhaps ask
1:11:05people what they want to do, simplify
1:11:07things, and say, "There, this is our
1:11:08new European project." Because the one
1:11:11they have today doesn't inspire dreams.
1:11:12Or rather, it no longer inspires dreams
1:11:13. OK. that are thinking exactly in the
1:11:18same way that have agreed the common
1:11:20principles and those principles should
1:11:23be all around economy, education,
1:11:25innovation, the way we spent money and
1:11:27defense. Five simple points. The
1:11:31problem with this is that they don't
1:11:33explain this to the people. This is why
1:11:36we're doing this. This is why we're
1:11:38going to do this routine now or next
1:11:40five or 10 years. Explain it to people
1:11:42and they have a better understanding.
1:11:43Everything would be much better. I am
1:11:45very much pro-EU. and stronger. Now
1:12:00that we've said that, what are the
1:12:01levers concretely? For politics, it's
1:12:03voting for those who support this
1:12:05Europe and questioning them when they
1:12:07don't. For businesses, it's stopping
1:12:09the pursuit of comfort and easy money
1:12:11to take risks on real competitiveness
1:12:13issues. And for us citizens, accepting
1:12:16being European, explaining the Europe
1:12:18we want, defending it, supporting it.
1:12:21Because a stronger Europe isn't just a
1:12:23generous idea, it's in our interest.
1:12:26Markets, jobs, companies that grow here
1:12:28instead of being bought elsewhere.
1:12:30Europe's money has only one purpose,
1:12:32and it is not to feed a self-sustaining
1:12:34technocracy, but to prepare for the
1:12:36future. Our children, our technology,
1:12:39our defense, our sovereignty. We
1:12:42started this film with a parliament
1:12:44that moves 12 times a year. We end it
1:12:46with factories rising from the ground
1:12:48and 25-year-old engineers creating
1:12:49under the bombs. Two Europes exist. The
1:12:52one that drifts inertly and the one
1:12:54that decides, that liberates, that
1:12:55brings together. We have seen it with
1:12:58our own eyes, but now it is up to us to
1:13:00decide which one must prevail. The
1:13:03first word that comes to mind when you
1:13:04say Europe, democracy.
1:13:16>> peace.
1:13:17>> Sovereign, our destiny, our home. The
1:13:54prime minister of Canada, middle-powers
1:13:59and Europe and like Singapore and
1:14:02Brazil, Non, nous ne sommes pas une
1:14:06puissance moyenne, nous sommes une
1:14:08superpuissance et nous devons agir
1:14:09comme telle. Reprenez-vous en main,
1:14:11faites ce que vous pouvez, faites ce
1:14:13que vous devez. Pensons à ce que sera
1:14:16l'avenir de nos enfants pour notre
1:14:18prochaine génération. Nous ne pouvons
1:14:21pas renoncer à l'Europe car nous
1:14:23sommes formidables. C'est ce que je
1:14:26dirais. Ah.

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