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0:00I’ve been a club board member for 10
0:02years, you know? I joined in 2017,
0:05actually in the December 2016 election,
0:08but I’ve been following Internacional
0:11since I was very young, you know? Uh,
0:15everyone knows, my father was, as you
0:17said, his resume, he was the Inter
0:19board president and my father was a
0:22board member, he’s been a board
0:24member since 1991, okay? Uh, he joined
0:28the Deliberative Council. At that time,
0:30there were no elections for the council
0:32, right? It was by invitation, it was
0:35by nomination. And my father
0:38participated in Inter’s defense, in
0:40the Simão case, right, in the 1991
0:42Gaucho Championship, if my memory
0:44serves me right.
0:45>> We spent the morning at the courthouse
0:47covering it, and a fight almost broke
0:49out among the press, just to give you
0:51an idea of how "light" that was.
0:53>> I remember well that it was your father
0:54who made the defense.
0:55>> Exactly. No, he helped, right? Because
0:57actually, since he was a magistrate, he
1:00couldn't sign the defense, but he
1:01helped as a Colorado, he helped draft
1:03the minutes of the arguments, he helped
1:06make the defense, right? And that's
1:10when he was invited to become a board
1:11member, he joined the council, and
1:12later within the council, he was one of
1:14those who fought for direct elections,
1:16right? And proportional ones. When
1:20there's an election and there's a lot
1:23of confusion, he says "I helped, I
1:25helped install this situation." Anyway,
1:28just joking, right? Obviously, he is in
1:30favor of direct elections, right? But
1:31anyway. Uh, so since that time I’ve
1:34been following Inter's politics, right?
1:37I would go to the meetings of the
1:39movements with him, of the Independent
1:41Colorado Action, of the Interaction. Uh
1:44, so, I’ve lived Inter intensely and
1:47in a politicized way, let’s say,
1:49since I was a child, right? So, I was
1:53already used to this political matter.
1:55I’ve already been a board member for
1:5810 years, but it's true, right, that
1:59it’s sometimes pointed out as a
2:01critical point regarding me: that I
2:03haven’t held executive positions. But
2:06I understand that this is actually a
2:09handicap, right? It’s something
2:11favorable, because the situation Inter
2:14is in, which is a very difficult
2:16situation, of extreme financial gravity
2:19and a drought of victories on the field
2:22, as well.
2:22>> There is a lot of vice in the process.
2:24It’s not from now, right? It’s not
2:26from now. It’s been this way for a
2:28long time, right? I understand that
2:31it's, well, clearly, these last six
2:33years under this board were bad, but
2:35this bad situation has been going on
2:37for a while. And let's also remember
2:40that this board is a continuation of
2:42the previous one, right? Because
2:45Alessandro Barcelos, who is the current
2:47president, was the vice president of
2:49finance, administration, and soccer
2:51under Marcelo Medeiros. So, this
2:54delicate situation at Inter has been
2:56going on for about 15 years now, which
2:58is how long Inter hasn't won any titles
2:59and also how long this financial
3:01situation has just been worsening and
3:02deteriorating, right? So, I believe
3:06it's time for change, right? It's a
3:09moment of, it's a moment of renewal, a
3:12moment for fresh air. I will look to
3:15surround myself, I will look to—no, I
3:16am already surrounding myself with
3:17experienced people. Eduardo Husen was
3:19the director of soccer in 2013, so he
3:21has experience with Inter's soccer
3:23operations. Ricardo Breer has
3:25management experience and was the
3:26president of the Bar Association. Diogo
3:30Beer is an excellent communicator, a
3:32director at Fiergs, a businessman, in
3:35short, he has a widely recognized
3:38management capacity, was a good
3:40parliamentarian, and Macena also has a
3:43history of work in the private,
3:45corporate world. So, I believe we have
3:49put together a good ticket that blends
3:51people who complement each other, right
3:52? And I think we can, yes, and I have
3:56—I think, no, I am sure that we can
3:59manage well and restore the club's
4:01credibility, especially because I
4:03believe Inter's destiny cannot be left
4:06in the hands of luck or chance, right?
4:10We can't think that simply by fate, the
4:14club's destiny will return to being a
4:17winning one. It's a matter of hard work
4:20, right? It's a matter of time, it's a
4:23matter of reorganization for the club
4:25to return to having success, right? No,
4:27it won't be overnight and it won't be
4:30easy, right? Anyone selling an easy
4:32solution, I think, is selling a dream
4:35to the fans. It's not like that. It
4:38also doesn't mean that the first year
4:40of management will be a bad year. I'm
4:43not saying that, I'm just saying that
4:45we will have to reorganize the club so
4:47that, with a lot of hard work, it gets
4:48back on the tracks of success and
4:50victory.
4:52>> Well, you are, welcome, candidate. Ah,
4:56we always try, more or less, to see who
4:58is more opposition or less opposition,
5:00if such a thing even exists, right?
5:02Politically, they talk about the "
5:04centrão" or the political center. To
5:06reach an agreement with so many
5:08movements at Inter, is it possible or
5:10imaginable to make some connections
5:12like this and even count on people from
5:15this administration, for example, eh,
5:17Macena, right, he is one from the
5:19current president's administration.
5:22>> No, actually he is not from the current
5:23administration, he participated in the
5:24first one.
5:25>> In the first one. That's it.
5:26>> That's it. Look, Dal Pizol, eh, I
5:29usually say the following, 71%of the
5:31members voted for Vitório Pífero,
5:33okay? Eh, I don't remember how many
5:37councilors, but it was around 150 who
5:38voted for Pífero, okay? Eh, I want the
5:41votes of those who voted for Pífero. I
5:44want the votes of the members who voted
5:46for Medeiros, I want the votes of the
5:48members who voted for Barcelos. I want
5:51the votes, I want the votes and the
5:52support. Support, we want support from
5:56all Colorados, right? This issue of us
5:59constantly condemning everyone who
6:01voted for A or who voted for B, if we
6:03go down that path, then no one is left
6:05to participate in the club's politics,
6:07nor for us to ask for votes, right?
6:10>> And even because, right now, he does
6:11have good vice presidents, there are
6:13some who are very good, right? Well
6:14then, I believe like this, look, eh,
6:17Dal Pizol, this issue of us hunting
6:19down who supported A or who supported B
6:21, that is sometimes a lot of social
6:24media talk, that's how I see it, okay?
6:27Because, eh, the Management Council
6:29ticket, my ticket, is out there.
6:32Whoever wants to analyze the ticket,
6:34the five are there, the ticket is
6:35already registered. So, if we want to
6:39analyze the ticket to see if it is, if
6:41we go down that path of, oh, is it
6:43opposition or not, look at the ticket,
6:45look at the five and tell me which of
6:47these five has participated in these
6:49last two administrations. You mentioned
6:53counselor Macena, I am very proud that
6:55he is on my ticket, he is a great
6:56Colorado,
6:57>> he is a decent person, he is a
6:59hardworking guy, he is a guy who is
7:01dedicated to the club. I was a
7:03classmate of Macena's daughter in
7:05school. He is a, she was
7:07>> she was a, she was a great Colorado. So
7:10, this issue of us chasing after who
7:12supported Barcelos or who supported
7:14Pífero, that is normal. That happens
7:17in elections, right? Everyone has
7:19already voted for someone. And if
7:22that's the case, the MIG, the MIG was
7:25an ally of Barcelos.
7:26>> Uh-huh.
7:27>> Before Barcelos became president.
7:29Barcellos became president because he
7:31was the MIG vice-president of finance,
7:33administration, and soccer. Amarante
7:35says he is unlucky. Do you agree,
7:37Marcelo?
7:38>> Well, I won't go down the road of bad
7:40luck because, well, luck and bad luck
7:42exist, even though the game against
7:43Corinthians shows that we were very,
7:45very lucky, right? But luck and bad
7:48luck do exist and happen, but I don't
7:50believe in solid and consistent results
7:53based only on luck or bad luck, right?
7:55You have to have competence. Eventually
7:58in one game, in one match, you have
7:59luck or bad luck. So, regarding this
8:03composition issue, we tried to create a
8:06ticket of change, renewal, and fresh
8:09air. And I think the ticket shows that.
8:12>> How many groups are there, sorry, can I
8:13add one more? How many groups support
8:16you in this? How many are there at
8:17Inter, anyway? 20.
8:19>> There are almost 20 groups, actually,
8:20you know. On this Management Board
8:23ticket, for example, the criteria were
8:25very technical, okay? Uh-huh.
8:26>> Because Ricardo Breier, he was from MIG
8:29and he is on my ticket.
8:31>> I didn't remember that.
8:32>> That's right. He was from MIG. But why
8:33is he on the ticket? Because he is
8:36undeniably a person of impeccable
8:38conduct, a guy who was president of the
8:40Bar Association, very upright,
8:42competent, an excellent lawyer, and an
8:44excellent manager with management
8:46experience, right? So, this issue of
8:49political movements was left aside a
8:52bit when building the ticket, so we
8:55could prioritize resumes and prioritize
8:58change in the club. Especially because
9:01I understand it's useless for me to win
9:04the election only to keep doing the
9:06same things that have been done, with
9:08the same practices, because that way we
9:11won't be able to change the club's
9:13destiny and future.
9:15>> Vinicius,
9:16>> Good morning, Dr. Leonardo, and
9:19regarding the idea of the presidency
9:21and the idea of soccer, which is the
9:24driving force, right, that moves
9:26Internacional and all soccer clubs, but
9:29especially Internacional. My point is
9:32as follows: I have really hammered the
9:35issue of professionalization and the
9:37end of amateurs running soccer. I think
9:40soccer involves too much money to put
9:42in the hands of amateurs; it must be in
9:45the hands of professionals, people who
9:47are prepared and know the market. And I
9:51have talked a lot about the excessive
9:54amounts paid to players who come here,
9:56regardless of whether they are foreign
9:58or not, but especially foreigners, many
10:01have been coming here and not
10:03delivering results. it only further
10:07burdens the club's finances. A club
10:12with a debt of over 1 billion. My
10:16question for you is the following: what
10:18is your idea regarding football
10:20management? Uh, professionalism? Is it
10:26to continue with a model based on
10:28political leadership? uh to move toward
10:32using more youth players, scouting more
10:35in the domestic market, lowering
10:38football costs a bit, and, anyway, what
10:41is your idea about the management of
10:44the football department, which is the
10:47cornerstone of Internacional? Good
10:50morning, Sinote. Thank you for the
10:52question, Sinote. Uh, I think there is
10:54no more room for football to be managed
10:57by politicians. Managed, I mean,
10:59obviously, we are in an association
11:02club, a management council, it manages,
11:04right? Now, this issue of running
11:07football in the sense of running the
11:09day-to-day operations, in the sense of,
11:11for example, mapping the market, this
11:13has to be extremely professional, right
11:15? As much as Aquino follows football,
11:18knows players, Aquino is not a football
11:21professional; he is a lawyer who likes
11:23football, who loves Inter, who follows
11:26football. But the role of the
11:28politician must be to establish a plan,
11:31a plan for the football department, a
11:33plan that we have to follow, especially
11:35because now Internacional has filed a
11:37request for installment payments, a
11:39collective payment plan at the National
11:42Chamber of Dispute Resolution, right?
11:45So, the club is obligated
11:47>> 31 million,
11:48>> the club is obligated to follow the
11:52CNRD rules, right? In other words, what
11:55does this mean? From article 79 to
11:56article 86, I have already been
11:58studying it, okay? Uh, the club will
12:01not be able to spend more than what it
12:03will collect in the same window, in the
12:05transfer window, okay? This is
12:08oversight that it establishes over the
12:11clubs. Because if the club requests a
12:15collective payment plan, a collective
12:18installment plan, it means it is in a
12:21state of insolvency for the CNRD. So,
12:24if it is in a state of insolvency, it
12:26must follow these rules to demonstrate
12:29that it really wants to pay the debts
12:31and not that it is just kicking the can
12:33down the road to not pay later, right?
12:36Because this happens a lot in football
12:37clubs, it used to happen, right? And it
12:39still happens, and the rest has this
12:41rule to avoid this, so that you pay in
12:43installments so you can spend and then
12:46it's the next management's problem,
12:48right? So, and this is a rigid rule
12:50that the club will have to follow,
12:51because it has already requested this
12:53collective payment plan. So, with that
12:56said, we will have to be creative in
12:58the market, we will have to be
13:00responsible, and more than ever, we
13:02will have to bet on young players—
13:04both by signing young talent with
13:06resale potential and by promoting
13:08athletes from our youth academy to the
13:10first team. Inter, for example, is
13:13having a poor performance in the
13:15Brazilian Championship, right? Even
13:17though we had a recent win against
13:19Corinthians, Inter's performance is
13:20undeniably poor. So, there are some
13:23players with a high or above-average
13:26cost who we know that, perhaps if we
13:28were betting on lower-cost players or
13:31young ones with development potential,
13:34they could perform as well as or better
13:37than these players who are
13:39underperforming, right? So, I really
13:43bet on the professionalization of the
13:45department, in the sense of having a
13:47sports intelligence director who will
13:50oversee the entire market area, the
13:52entire performance analysis area,
13:54research and development, and the use
13:56of artificial intelligence software
13:58tools for market mapping and signing
14:01athletes; because Inter will have to be
14:03creative and won't be able to spend on
14:05signing expensive players or signing
14:08older players with high costs. There's
14:10no way to do that, right? I'm not
14:13saying that if Aquino takes over, Inter
14:15won't sign a 30-year-old player. No,
14:17that's not it. But I am saying that
14:20betting on expensive signings of
14:22athletes you won't be able to resell,
14:24or expensive signings that violate the
14:26rules of the financial regulators
14:28overseeing the club, will lead to
14:30punishments against Inter and create an
14:33unsustainable financial situation,
14:35which is what we already have, right?
14:38We have to prioritize paying salaries
14:40on time, we have to prioritize paying
14:42image rights on time, even so you can
14:43demand from the athletes the level of
14:45professionalism that football requires
14:47today. We look at the best players in
14:51the world, Cristiano Ronaldo, Haaland,
14:54they take such care of their bodies and
14:57their daily routines, their sleep,
15:00their diet, that imagine, if those
15:02players have that kind of care, our
15:05players with our investment power—
15:08since we won't be able to sign
15:10superstar, established players—we
15:13have to demand that kind of commitment
15:15from them. And to be able to establish
15:19a rigid rule and strong accountability,
15:21you have to keep payments up to date.
15:24So, that would be, in short, my idea
15:27for football.
15:29>> Inter today has, to conclude, Inter
15:31today has two realities.
15:33>> Yes,
15:33>> right? The point that we are all
15:36rooting for, right, to happen not just
15:38for Inter, but for football in Rio
15:40Grande do Sul, and especially
15:42Internacional, which is the hot topic,
15:44is staying in the first division, in
15:46Série A. Yes.
15:47>> Or the reality that no one wants, being
15:49relegated to Série B. Do you have a
15:51plan A and a plan B?
15:53>> Of course, we have to have a plan A and
15:56a plan B. That is mandatory, because
15:58unfortunately it can even be a bit
16:00unpleasant to talk about it, right? But
16:02we have to talk about it because it is
16:04the situation, right? Inter, and if I
16:06come here and say it's obvious that
16:08Inter will be in the first division
16:10next year, I'm being
16:13>> purely a fan, right? CL,
16:15>> it's what I want, but today the
16:16situation is precarious. So, we must,
16:19yes, have a plan for Série A and a
16:22plan for Série B, although I am
16:24confident due to the victory now
16:27against Corinthians, because I believe
16:30that this put Inter back in the fight,
16:33right? Inter was, before the game with
16:36Chapecoense and before the game with
16:38Corinthians, in a situation where even
16:41if they won a match, it still wasn't
16:44enough to get out. Now Internacional
16:47has caught up to Corinthians itself,
16:49it's right there, uh breathing down the
16:54necks of some, right? So, I think it
16:56boosted spirits, I felt the team's
16:58morale was better. Although, analyzing
17:02the game coldly, I was quite worried
17:05because Corinthians missed countless
17:07opportunities, right? But, in the
17:10situation Inter finds itself in, the
17:12main thing was to win, right? The main
17:15thing was to win to try to regain
17:17confidence and try to establish a new
17:20reality, a new spirit, right? I think
17:25the Grenal is decisive, truly decisive,
17:29because if we win, then yes, I believe
17:32it begins to solidify a comeback and we
17:35even pull away from Grêmio itself,
17:38right? pull away from Grêmio itself.
17:41Today we are one point ahead of Grêmio
17:43. But so yes, we have to work with both
17:47scenarios, even for the sake of, uh,
17:49mapping, like, for the board, it's more
17:52or less mapped out already. Oh, this
17:55matter of who will handle the market
17:57area, I already have a I'm already
17:59talking to a professional. Now, about
18:02the director of football, which would
18:05be for disciplinary matters, and the
18:07technical director, the idea isn't that
18:09I don't want to keep Abel Braga, who is
18:12an experienced professional who knows
18:14football and knows the club, right? But
18:18I haven't spoken to him yet because I
18:20think he needs to be focused on Inter's
18:22day-to-day, on getting the team out of
18:24this situation, right? So I will do
18:27that after the championship. The
18:29championship ends on the 2nd and the
18:31election only happens on the 12th,
18:33right? So, answering objectively, yes,
18:37we have to be realistic and keep an eye
18:39on Serie A or Serie B.
18:41>> Well, especially because the budgets
18:42will be different, right? Exactly.
18:45>> Leonardo Aquino, candidate for
18:46president of Internacional, whom we are
18:49talking to here at the Corner of
18:51Communication, on Ipiranga at the
18:53corner of João Pessoa. You: by having
18:58less, let's say, ties or fewer
19:00partnerships with prominent figures
19:03from the past—prominent, I mean,
19:05those almost always present in the
19:08political life of Internacional, like
19:11Marcelo Medeiros, Giovanni Luigi,
19:13Fernando Carvalho—you are now closer
19:16to president Fernando Miranda, or did
19:19Miranda approach you because of your
19:21way of thinking, I don't know. Is it
19:25good or bad not to be close to these
19:29prominent figures from the past? Look,
19:34Heck, that has its pros and cons, right
19:37? I think that since the Colorado fan
19:41is thirsty for change, right? Uh, I
19:47think on one hand it's positive,
19:49because there are fans who have a
19:51mindset of "enough, enough of the same
19:53old thing," right? Enough of always
19:57chasing our own tails, right? Uh,
20:00moving from Medeiros, from Melo, to
20:03Barcelos, then back to Melo. Uh, it's
20:07more or less staying with the same
20:09people, right? Always keeping the same
20:12ones rotating in power. Now, there is
20:15also the fact that many are a reference
20:18, right? Not all, but many are a
20:21positive reference. So, the side of
20:23having a positive reference is also
20:26good, right? So, it has its pros and
20:29cons, right? I consider the support of
20:32president Fernando Miranda, I was very
20:34happy, I was very honored. To me, he
20:36was a president who put Inter on the
20:39right track, put Inter on the path to
20:42victory, because I think those—I
20:44think, no, I'm sure—that those Inter
20:47victories in 2005, 2006, right? I
20:50consider 2005, because Inter was the
20:52champion in 2005, the title was stolen
20:55from Inter, and 2006, all those Inter
20:57achievements were there, right? They
21:00didn't start in 2006, 2005. That was
21:02the result of a process, because Inter
21:04was the club that best adapted to the
21:06Pelé Law, right? Inter adapted very
21:09well to the Pelé Law, developed
21:11players, didn't lose players. We saw
21:13there that Grêmio, for example,
21:15suffered that blow of having lost
21:17Ronaldinho for free to PSG. So I think
21:20that now we are living through a
21:22similar moment. We have to reorganize
21:26the club, rebalance the club, prepare
21:28the club for these oversight rules from
21:31the ANRESF, not being able to spend
21:33more than what is permitted by law, by
21:35oversight, and to have creative
21:37transfer windows. Because I keep
21:43thinking, right? In 2017, Internacional
21:47played in Série B and in that Série B
21:52, Inter, if my memory serves me right,
21:55and you can check this because you're a
21:58whiz at these numbers and
22:00>> Let's see, maybe I'll even remember.
22:02>> That was the most expensive team in the
22:05history of Série B, okay? Or if it
22:08wasn't the most expensive, it was one
22:09of them.
22:11>> Inter signed Potker, Internacional
22:13signed Camilo, Internacional signed
22:15Leandro Damião, Internacional signed
22:17Edenilson, Internacional signed Cuesta.
22:20>> Indeed. And at this and in this moment,
22:23we hope that doesn't happen, right? We
22:26hope that Internacional,
22:28>> Wend was a fullback too.
22:30>> We hope that Internacional doesn't play
22:32in Série B next year, but
22:34Internacional won't be able to make
22:35that kind of investment even in Série
22:37A next year. There are the investors,
22:41>> these, uh, just let me finish. Uh, so
22:44Internacional won't be able to make
22:46that kind of investment next year, even
22:48if they stay in the first division. Uh,
22:51for, by reason of, I just talked about
22:53the ANRESF oversight, Inter will have
22:56to follow a responsible transfer window
22:58, right? They won't be able to, uh,
23:01promote that kind of spending spree
23:03that Internacional did between 2017,
23:062018, 2019, they spent I think around
23:09100, 150 million. No, I don't remember,
23:11okay? Now, but I will look at the
23:12balance sheet to give an accurate
23:14number.
23:14>> Updating it, it's almost 500
23:16>> just in just in buying buying players.
23:20I'm not even talking about salaries,
23:22I'm talking about buying players, right
23:24? So Inter will have to be very
23:27creative in the market. So, the
23:30so-called player signing experiment
23:32that was done in the recent past cannot
23:35be done now. There is no way to repeat
23:38what was done in the last 15 years, 10,
23:4115 years, for now. There is no way.
23:43There is no way because of the law. We
23:45are talking about the oversight rules
23:47that will be imposed on the club.
23:50Regarding the issue of the investors,
23:52uh, from PISOL.
23:53>> Exactly. They don't give anything for
23:54free. We were talking off-air, there's
23:56a return, but sometimes you have to eat
23:58out of their hands, pardon the
23:59expression.
24:00>> No, you don't, no, you don't have to
24:01eat out of their hands and you can't
24:03eat out of their hands.
24:04>> But in the name of desperation
24:06>> because, uh, PSOL might, but by the
24:09rule, by the CBF rule, you can't. If
24:13the next president arrives in January
24:15and wants to sign Gabigol, because
24:17Inter has to think big, paying millions
24:19to Santos. Let's give an example here.
24:22I said it because I saw Gabigol falling
24:23in the box there, drawing a penalty. Uh
24:25, it's not allowed, it's not allowed.
24:28It doesn't matter, because the rule
24:30determines that the club cannot spend
24:32more than it earned from selling
24:34athletes, unless it sells an athlete
24:36for 30, 40, 50 million more than what
24:38it will pay to sign someone. And this
24:42signing, if done by an investor, if it
24:44isn't a gift to the club, if it's
24:46something the investor bought and will
24:48later charge for, it will turn into
24:50debt. And then later the club starts
24:53having its accounts blocked, and
24:54there's 60 million frozen in the club's
24:56account. And do you think this is the
24:59policy Inter needs for the coming years
25:01?
25:01>> It's just that it's desperate sometimes
25:03, right? You, for example, they
25:05criticize very quickly, they criticize
25:07President Alberto Guerra because he
25:10spent, I would have done the same thing
25:12, the desperation of going, of falling
25:14to the second division. I was referring
25:17to
25:17>> Yeah, I won't talk about Alberto Guerra
25:19because I'm not a Gremio fan, I'm a
25:20Colorado, thank God, but I think like
25:22this, uh, and thank God it's thanks to
25:24my father, right, that
25:27>> My father, my grandfather, but, but...
25:29Anyway, people, I wouldn't do the same,
25:31I wouldn't do it like that, because I
25:33believe this is what leads the club to
25:35a situation of bankruptcy, this is what
25:37leads the club to a situation of
25:39insolvency, this is what leads the club
25:41to then be unable to invest in signing
25:43players. Sure, I understand that if
25:47you're in a situation where you're
25:49heading toward the relegation zone, you
25:51have to find some solution to fill your
25:53roster so you don't go down. That is
25:55obvious, right? Now, you spending, like
25:59Inter spent in the recent past, all
26:01those signings that REC mentioned here
26:03that we talked about, it’s not about
26:05whether I want to or not, you won’t
26:08be able to do that, because Inter won't
26:10be able to spend more than what it
26:12collects from player sales in the same
26:15window. That is a rule. This is no
26:18longer even a matter of wanting to or
26:20not, it’s a rule. So Inter will have
26:22to follow this rule. So it's no use if
26:25an investor comes and says they will
26:27sign a player for Inter and will sign a
26:29Messi and it will cost 500 million,
26:31only if Internacional sells 600 in the
26:33same window.
26:35>> Sure,
26:35>> it’s a rule. The president is labeled
26:38a "soccer president," president
26:39Alessandro takes heat, including from
26:41people in the current board. The
26:45president, because he has to be on top
26:46of things, and that’s right, is he in
26:48the locker room, or is it better the
26:50less he shows up in the locker room?
26:55The president has to go to the locker
26:57room, especially because if he doesn't,
27:00it will give a feeling of abandonment,
27:03that he isn't there, that he is, well,
27:05the players also want to see that the
27:08president is present and that he is
27:10following along and that he is there,
27:13that he is, anyway, I think the
27:15president has to be present. Now, the
27:20president has to have a presidential
27:22stance, right? Eh, I’ve even
27:26discussed this several times with
27:27Fernando Carvalho himself, I talked
27:29with Fernando Miranda, I talked—
27:30they're nagging me here that I have to
27:32face forward, it’s just that I like
27:33to look at whoever asked the question.
27:35Eh, and so, in the various
27:37conversations I’ve had, this was said
27:39to me. Look, the president has to be
27:41there, right? The players have to see
27:43that the president is, eh, is there, is
27:45interested, is holding people
27:47accountable. They have to realize that
27:49the president is there, but the
27:50president has to have a presidential
27:52stance, he has to delegate, right? I
27:53think the criticism made of Alessandro
27:55Barcellos is in the sense that he was
27:57too much of a one-man show, right,
28:00>> it’s very much on his figure; for
28:02example, now there is no vice president
28:03of soccer, the bylaws require there to
28:05be one, right? But I don't think our
28:08problems necessarily stem from that.
28:11It's just that when things start going
28:13really wrong, people start criticizing
28:14everything, right? Eh, I think the main
28:16problem is really the issue of squad
28:18building. I see that Inter has a team
28:21with a low average height. Inter scored
28:24one header goal in the entire Brazilian
28:26Championship, right? And in a league
28:28that is even, that is balanced, this is
28:30fatal, because many games are decided
28:32this way, they are decided on set
28:34pieces, they are decided on goals, eh,
28:38from aerial plays, right? So, I think
28:41Inter's squad is unbalanced. Inter's
28:44squad is unbalanced. So, and also this
28:47issue of the executive directors, I
28:50think, eh, the executive directors
28:52there, I didn't really like the
28:55executive directors he hired, right? I
28:58didn't like them. To me, I think one of
29:00the best professionals who was in
29:02Inter's football department was Paulo
29:04Torri, who is an experienced
29:05professional and knowledgeable about
29:07football, right? I think on this point,
29:11yes, we have to have knowledge and
29:13experience, which is the issue of the
29:16professionals. They are the ones who
29:19have to run the day-to-day, they are
29:21the ones who have to map the market and
29:23handle holding the coaching staff
29:26accountable. Eh, the whole point is
29:28that the professionals have to have a
29:31direction, they have to have a plan
29:33made by the board, by the management
29:35council, and they have to have a
29:38project, they have to have goals to
29:40reach, right? Eh, and this is the
29:42president's role, this is the role of
29:44the politicians, and the politicians
29:48represent the fans, they represent the
29:50members, but this issue of the
29:51president's presence there, the
29:53president has to be there, but there
29:54has to be a balance, right? He can't be
29:58there all the time, every moment, eh,
30:00and, and, and not delegate, but he also
30:03can't be absent.
30:04>> Well, eh, about the funds that are
30:06being talked about so much, right? I'm
30:08following São Paulo's situation. Did
30:13São Paulo make a bad deal or is
30:15football just like that, it has its
30:17tricks, and they had to change course,
30:20sign more players, hire an expensive
30:22coach, and all those things. How do you
30:27partner with these funds? Where are
30:31these funds that Internacional could
30:33look for money for immediate needs,
30:35which will be, for example, the start
30:37of your term if you start, if you win
30:40the election in January, you'll need to
30:42come up with 100 million. Where does
30:46this more immediate money come from?
30:49And knowing that, hopefully Inter stays
30:51in the first division, because if they
30:54go to the second division, there isn't
30:56even TV money to advance.
30:58>> There is, there is, but it's much
30:59smaller.
30:59>> It's much smaller. Yeah, that's it.
31:02What what can be done and how have you
31:04thought about this situation which will
31:06be of extreme urgency already in the
31:08month of December?
31:10>> Look, I'll make a joke, okay?
31:12>> Yeah,
31:13>> there are some who get 100 million
31:16every day, right? So there are some
31:19that can't.
31:20>> It used to be the million-dollar show,
31:21now it's the 100-million-dollar show.
31:23>> Yeah, so, by election day, I joked the
31:25other day in the group, Inter will
31:27already have their debt paid off, right
31:29? Inter won't have any more debts and
31:32will be and will be competing for the
31:34signing of Olise with Real Madrid,
31:35right? Because every three days there's
31:38news of 100 million. But joking aside,
31:40right? Now speaking seriously, yes,
31:43there are these investment funds, but
31:45they demand rules. Okay? They demand
31:49rules that the club follows so they can
31:51have the view that the club won't use
31:53the money to sign players, for example,
31:55that the club will use the money to pay
31:57off liabilities, even so the fund gets
31:59a return. The fund wants to put money
32:02in to get a return. So no money is like
32:05that, nothing is free, right? Nothing
32:07is free. So, the funds demand
32:10governance rules to be able to
32:12structure an operation where the fund
32:14goes and puts 100, 200, 250 million
32:17into the club. There's a grace period
32:20for the club to start paying back and,
32:23then, the club the fund starts to
32:25receive a return, and always with
32:27governance rules. What do you mean by
32:30governance rules, for example, like
32:32these ANRESF rules, with a payroll
32:34spending cap, with a spending cap on
32:37transfer windows for
32:38>> But they are the ones who establish
32:40this,
32:40>> aren't they? Together with the club
32:42itself, right?
32:43>> Yeah, even so,
32:44>> it's together with the club itself.
32:47Because imagine, if you're an investor,
32:49are you going to put 100, 150 million
32:51into a club, if the club is going to
32:52take the money and go out and sign
32:54players? No, I won't put my money in. I
32:57I am very careful with my money.
32:59>> Yeah, I I know I know about that. I've
33:01already heard about that, okay?
33:03>> Actually, very much so. I've even heard
33:05it's too much.
33:06>> No, not that. That would be an investor
33:09.
33:09>> Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. No, don't
33:10cry, don't cry. So what now? So, here's
33:13the thing, Rec, the investor wants to
33:15see that you'll have responsible
33:17management so they can get a financial
33:18return, right? It’s no use for the
33:21club, if you put another 200 million
33:23into the club for it to spend on
33:25signing players, you'll just end up
33:26breaking the club, because eventually
33:28the bill will come due, right? So you
33:31can't do it like that. It has to be a
33:34responsible matter with governance
33:36rules. And that's how you structure an
33:38operation where you take the money and
33:40provide guarantees to the fund. One of
33:43them can be TV rights, another is the
33:46value of the advertising boards around
33:48the field, another could be revenue
33:50from player sales, right? And depending
33:54on the guarantees you give the investor
33:56, you need authorization from the
33:58Deliberative Council.
34:01>> Venicius,
34:03>> the idea for football, first of all, I
34:06think we should all only spend what we
34:09earn, football clubs, I already
34:12>> just to take your cue, Leonardo Aquino,
34:15Dr. Leonardo Aquino, right? Uh,
34:18>> yeah, I even have the habit of calling
34:20him
34:21>> Aquino, right? Yeah, no problem. No
34:24problem. We’ve had a relationship for
34:26some time now. But look, he already
34:29gave us news here today, he has already
34:31spoken to a professional who knows the
34:33market
34:35>> and later I want to know if it's a big
34:37name or if it will be a pleasant
34:38surprise. and he made a complimentary
34:41reference to Paulo Autuori with which I
34:43agree. But I think he needs to know
34:45what he wants. One minute he wants to
34:47be a coach, the next he doesn't. But I
34:50agree. He is a guy who knows a lot
34:52about football. He is a guy who is
34:53>> intelligent, level-headed.
34:55>> Autuori is a guy who, everything that
34:57is done or much of what is done today
34:59in football and treated as new, Autuori
35:02was already doing a long time ago.
35:04>> Yeah, he's very good. I've known him
35:05for a long time, but my idea is just
35:07the following, I have,
35:08>> his great virtue is being my friend.
35:11>> Yeah, I have criticized a lot, Dr.
35:14Aquino, the issue of the player-signing
35:18craze and, look, the excess of players,
35:22players of dubious origin, players who
35:25arrive there, I'll give two examples
35:29for
35:30>> Do you have something against Cape
35:33Verde, Croatia? Yeah, no, look. And one
35:36example for each side so it doesn't get
35:38awkward, right? Grêmio brought in this
35:42guy from
35:42>> He's going to talk about Borré, I
35:43already know.
35:44>> No, no, no. I'm going to talk about San
35:46>> Back on the pre-show he was always
35:47talking about Borré.
35:48>> No, for Borré I criticized the amounts
35:51involved, right? He was a known player,
35:54but
35:55>> Look, from what I'm hearing now, I'm
35:56already thinking Borré was cheap.
35:58>> Yeah, now, for example, Internacional
35:59brought in a player named Sanabria,
36:02>> 800,
36:03>> and even signed a 3-year contract with
36:06him, right? An insufficient player. His
36:09resume says he is insufficient. So,
36:12this model of football administration,
36:14I am totally against it, I always have
36:16been. And I am a defender of scouting
36:21the domestic market more often. The two
36:25best signings for Grêmio and Porto
36:27Alegre football were in the second
36:29division. They are center-back Wallace
36:31and full-back Diego Caito. The two best
36:34signings for Grêmio were right there
36:36at CRB and Goiás. Can't we look a
36:39little bit more at the internal market?
36:42Can't we do as well or better with
36:44players from the internal market or
36:46homegrown players? Because they bring
36:50in real trash that doesn't play
36:51anything while paying a truckload of
36:53money. And the accumulation of this
36:56over time is what led both Grenal clubs
36:58to owe over 1 billion each. It's these
37:01errors over many years that accumulated
37:04a debt of 1 billion. I wanted to know
37:06what your idea is about this.
37:07>> What is the strategy?
37:08>> Look, I agree with you, Se note. Eh,
37:12from the point of view of expensive
37:15signings, okay? From the point of view
37:18of spending, like you said, on trash,
37:20right? Eh, on that point I agree, right
37:23? Bringing in a player for a very high
37:26amount just because he is a foreigner,
37:29I don't agree. Now I have to be sincere
37:31, because otherwise I get elected and
37:33then they will say I'm a liar. So, I
37:34prefer not to be a liar. I like to tell
37:36the truth. I am not going to tell you
37:38that I won't sign players from outside
37:40Brazil. That, that, I, that, no, that
37:43no. I will, if I have to sign, if it's
37:45mapped out, look, here we have a good
37:47player and such. The issue is financial
37:51responsibility and, of course, the
37:54athlete's ability to adapt to the club,
37:56right? Because, for example, uh uh
38:00Internacional has two African players.
38:02>> Uh-huh. Uh, one of them when he played,
38:05the other one
38:07>> uh one of them when he played, Benjamim
38:09.
38:10>> I liked it, I thought he played well,
38:12he seemed, seemed like a good player,
38:14dynamic, uh, he distributed the ball.
38:17>> Are you going to get involved in the
38:18team lineup too? No, of course not. Of
38:20course not. Of course not. And one of
38:22them, one of them I liked. Benjamim, I
38:24thought he was a dynamic player, a good
38:27player. Now, of course, right, the
38:30adaptation of an African player must be
38:33, intuitively, more complex than an
38:35Argentine or a Uruguayan, right? Now,
38:39that doesn't mean you can't have an
38:40African player. The point is, the point
38:43is multi-million dollar signings. Just
38:48because the player is famous or has a
38:49name or had one good season at a big
38:51South American club, that we must avoid
38:53, because that's what leads the club to
38:54a situation of debt, as you put it well
38:56.
38:57>> Sure.
38:58>> And I think this issue of scouting
39:00players in Série B or players who
39:02aren't that well known, I am in favor
39:04of that. I don't see any problem at all
39:06. Uh, I won't comment on the Grêmio
39:09issue because, well, Grêmio is
39:11>> No, but that was just as an example.
39:13>> Sure, sure. But I think so, there have
39:14already been examples at Internacional
39:16itself. I remember, for instance,
39:18Cleiton Xavier, going back a bit, right
39:20? Cleiton Xavier, man, Cleiton Xavier
39:22arrived and proved to be a good player,
39:24right? He wasn't a superstar, but he
39:26was a good player, right? So, like,
39:29>> he came along with Rubiano and Geninho,
39:33>> one of whom has even passed away, right
39:35?
39:35>> No, Sidmar came from Atsubara. Yeah,
39:38Sidmar came from the same place,
39:39>> he already passed away, right?
39:40>> It's Rubiano, motorcycle accident. So,
39:43like, but I think we mainly have to
39:45look at the youth academy, right? I I I
39:48even feel like, it's complex for me to
39:51come and say: "João Bezerra has to
39:54play." Yes,
39:55>> I don't know much about him. I saw him
39:57because, like, we watch, oh, but don't
39:59you watch the youth games, Dr. Aquino,
40:01no. Watch. I do watch. But we know that
40:04just because the guy does well in the
40:05youth ranks, it doesn't mean he'll do
40:07well in the pros, right? You just have
40:09to remember Sarfiore.
40:11>> Sarrafior, we watched him in that Copa
40:13Ipiranga and thought: "My God, this guy
40:14is amazing, right?"
40:16>> I was dead wrong.
40:17>> No, but many
40:18>> you still criticize me for that today.
40:19No, but many, many, because we watched
40:21him playing in the U20s and he
40:22destroyed it, and then in the pros.
40:24>> It's just a different league, right?
40:26>> It changes, it didn't work out,
40:27>> it's a different league, right?
40:27>> It didn't work out. So, why do I say
40:29it's hard to argue that João Bezerra
40:32is a great player? Because we don't see
40:35him play professionally, they don't put
40:37him in the game. And that's what I'm
40:38criticizing, you have to let him play.
40:40>> You know what really, really irritates
40:42me? Maybe because I came from the
40:44countryside, and this is something I
40:46acknowledge, it bugs me,
40:48>> it's the prejudice. Prejudice. I can't
40:53stand it because, well, I told an
40:56executive—I'll grant myself the right
41:00not to even name the club—I told an
41:04executive, actually, he was a candidate
41:08for president and ended up becoming one
41:12later. And I said to him: "Man, there's
41:16a wonderful player I've been watching
41:19play at Atlético Goianense, Marlon
41:21Freitas." The executive told me: "Oh, I
41:25can't sign, announce a signing of a
41:27player from Atlético Goianense.""Fair
41:29enough."
41:30>> It had already happened with Fred when
41:32we recommended him,
41:33>> it had already happened with Fred,
41:34>> who was from América. Man, this guy is
41:36>> América Mineiro.
41:37>> Yeah. And then Botafogo didn't have any
41:41prejudice. Botafogo signed Marlon
41:43Freitas, who is now one of the best
41:45defensive midfielders in the country.
41:47>> Botafogo is safe, right?
41:48>> I mean, you can't have prejudice,
41:52>> no. You can't have prejudice. Oh,
41:55because the guy comes from Europe, any
41:57hack will do. Now, let's take a look
41:59here at Série B. Let's look at Novo
42:01Horizontino, Criciúma. Let's send
42:04someone to go there and watch the guy
42:05play, you know? Make a report. Look
42:08here, oh. So-and-so, so-and-so,
42:10so-and-so. I saw so many games here,
42:11and this guy here, you have to take a
42:13look. Bring him in without prejudice,
42:15doc.
42:15>> Exactly.
42:16>> Of course. No, for sure. What I was
42:18concluding regarding the João Bezerra
42:19issue. I would like to see him play
42:23more often in the pros so we can get an
42:25idea if he's a player who will have
42:26good potential for the first division,
42:28for the professional level or not. It
42:32seems to me that he does. He is a
42:34player who did very well in the youth
42:36ranks and everyone speaks highly of him
42:37, he has the physical build. So
42:39that’s what makes me a little
42:41bothered. I think that is the role of
42:43the political leader, for you to come
42:45in and set the guideline. Look, we have
42:48to use youth, we have to use the
42:50academy, we have to scout young players
42:52, we have to...we have to promote youth
42:55, because we need to, including not
42:57just for financial reasons of of not
43:02being able to spend, but also later on,
43:05for that too, to be able to sell, to
43:07sell.
43:09>> Doctor, I know you think he’ll make
43:10it to the general assembly, but I’ll
43:12ask you a question about the general
43:13context of the election. Do you think
43:16Melo runs any risk of not making it to
43:19the assembly, or would the historic
43:21strength of the MIG not allow that to
43:23happen, or is it no longer such a
43:25historic strength? And to what extent
43:29does a vote-getter help, for example,
43:32even if it might sometimes even harm
43:36the stable unity of the movement itself
43:39? Look, I think everyone runs the risk
43:43of not making it to the assembly, right
43:45? Because it’s a vote within the
43:48Deliberative Council. Voting, because
43:51it’s a democratic matter, is a secret
43:53ballot, right? So, and I think that’s
43:55right, everyone goes there and votes
43:57for whoever they want, right? Uh, I
44:00think voting, democracy is like that.
44:02So I see it as quite open, and I think
44:04Melo does have a risk of not making it
44:07to the assembly. I think the strength
44:11of the MIG was much greater in the more
44:14distant past due to the results on the
44:16field, which is what dictates the
44:19thermometer of football politics and
44:22the fans 'perspective, right? Results
44:25on the field are what the fans want,
44:27it’s what the Colorado supporters
44:28want. And since the MIG was in the
44:31club’s management from 2002 until
44:372020 and there Inter had a good, a good
44:42result up until 2006, until 2010,
44:44let’s say, right? Up to 2010 we won
44:46the Copa Sudamericana in 2008, the
44:48Libertadores in 2010. Starting in 2011,
44:51Inter has been on a decline, right? So
44:55I think the strength of the MIG,
44:56because of this, because of the issue
44:58of the results and the issue of
45:00Vitório Piffero, because of the issue,
45:02anyway, there was quite a lot of wear
45:03and tear, it’s no longer the same,
45:05although it is a traditional group,
45:08>> the relegation itself, right? The
45:10relegation itself, it is a traditional
45:11group, it has Fernando Carvalho, who is
45:13the president who won the Libertadores,
45:14won the world title. But I think the
45:18member is already open to other
45:20proposals, to other ideas. Especially
45:23because, as I said at the beginning of
45:25my statement here: the club doesn't
45:27have to keep putting its destiny in the
45:29hands of luck, in the hands of chance,
45:30in the hands of fate, right? The club
45:34has to work on its destiny, has to
45:36reorganize the club, has to redo the
45:38soccer policy. If MIG wins, we won't
45:41have many changes in the soccer
45:43department, especially because one of
45:45the biggest criticisms I have of
45:46Alessandro Barcelos is that he promised
45:48changes and in reality he only changed
45:50the coaching staff. He just swapped
45:53Abel for Ramirez. Period. He didn't
45:56change anything regarding the soccer
45:58department staff. He didn't change the
46:01CAP issue, which is who does the market
46:03mapping. He he kept the staff, he kept
46:06the MIG staff. And that is one thing I
46:09never understood, okay? Never
46:11understood. Because he ran an entire
46:13campaign focused on the issue of change
46:15and saying he would promote it. He even
46:18used a strong word, right? Rupture,
46:20which I don't even agree with, because
46:23I think any rupture in a soccer club
46:26management already brings a great deal
46:29of instability. I think you have to
46:32promote changes in bodies there, in key
46:36sectors. I think you have to promote
46:40changes in bodies, I used a bad word,
46:42key positions, right? I think you have
46:47to make a renovation of the soccer
46:49department, but not a rupture, right?
46:53But he talked about rupture and didn't
46:55change anything. He didn't change it
46:57because the fan sometimes doesn't
46:59follow these internal staff positions
47:01much, right, which is who does the
47:03market mapping, for example. But they
47:06continued, they remained the same ones
47:08from the time of Roberto Melo and
47:09Marcelo Medeiros, right? There was a
47:13professional from the CAP who left 3
47:15months ago, six months, and left not
47:18because he was fired, he left because
47:21he wanted to. So I think the club needs
47:25change, especially regarding soccer and
47:29the hiring policy. You can't keep
47:32signing 50 players every 2 years. What
47:34is the salary cap in the first division
47:38and a hypothetical cap in the second
47:41division? It's less than half. The cut
47:45is extremely drastic so that the fan
47:47has an idea of what they are going to
47:50face.
47:51>> Look, Dalpisol, uh, since you're a good
47:54journalist, open up articles 79 through
47:5786 regarding the issue of football
48:00sustainability, okay? Yeah. And you can
48:05read there that your spending cap, when
48:08you have an installment payment plan
48:10like Inter just did with the CNRD, is
48:13limited to the average of what you
48:15spent on the squad and coaching staff
48:17over the last 6 months, okay? So you
48:21will have this legal limitation due to
48:23the fact that Internacional requested
48:26an installment plan.
48:27>> Yeah, Inter spent quite a bit, didn't
48:28they?
48:29>> Yes. So, if you are in Série A, you
48:31won't be able to spend more than the
48:34average of the last six months. Even if
48:37you want to, even if a candidate comes
48:39along and says they have a benefactor
48:40who will sign very expensive players,
48:42you can't. You can't. Unless you pay
48:45off this whole 31 million debt right
48:47away, right? And then you are not, you
48:49are not limited by these rules anymore.
48:52>> And if you don't follow the rules?
48:55>> Now, well, then you are, you are
48:57subject to punishments that start with
48:59warnings and then it goes...
49:04>> it keeps, it keeps increasing those
49:06punishments up to the loss of points
49:08down the line, because financial fair
49:10play in Brazilian football is starting
49:13to take effect, right? And the
49:16punishments, I don't remember them by
49:18heart right now, but they get more
49:20severe as time goes on, right? The
49:23rules are being implemented little by
49:25little, right? And this issue of Série
49:28B, Dalpisol, well, if we are in Série
49:30B, it's obvious that the payroll has to
49:31be much smaller, because the revenue
49:33will be much lower, right? Just from
49:36television, you drop from 150 to 25.
49:39Does it make much of a difference if,
49:41for example, Grêmio goes down with
49:42Inter?
49:44>> Ah, whoever thinks about being Inter's
49:46president, being an Inter manager,
49:48shouldn't think about that, right? We
49:50have to think about Inter. Now, of
49:52course, right? I'm not going to be a
49:53hypocrite. For the fan, it's obvious it
49:55changes, right? Because of the banter
49:57and such, but regarding the club, the
49:59club's management, it doesn't change.
50:01We have to think about Inter,
50:03regardless of our opponent.
50:04>> Juventude has a payroll that doesn't
50:07reach 4 million and is leading Série
50:09B. There is no need for it. It's
50:12obvious that I'm not comparing
50:13Internacional to Juventude. I'm
50:15comparing the requirements of each
50:17competition, the technical level of
50:19each competition, right? There must be,
50:23and certainly are, Serie B clubs
50:25spending more than Juventude that will
50:26be watching Juventude get promoted.
50:29Good, good comparison, Vinici, even to
50:31pick up on the point made by Dr.
50:32Leonardo Aquino, a candidate for
50:34Inter's presidency, with whom we are
50:36speaking. Uh, spending cap is the
50:39average of the last 6 months. It’s
50:42said that Inter's payroll would be 14
50:44million. 14 million is reasonable. And
50:47is it possible to do it with six, let's
50:50say, since Juventude does it with four
50:52in the second division?
50:54>> Is it possible to do it? Is there a way
50:56? There is. Now, a point I put to you
51:00is the following: without wanting to
51:02disparage Juventude, it's nothing
51:04against Juventude, but the level of
51:06pressure at Internacional in a Serie B
51:09and the level of pressure at Juventude,
51:12>> right? Given what players with longer
51:14contracts at Inter earn, there's no way
51:16to adapt to Juventude's payroll. Then
51:19the club, the club will have to hustle,
51:23>> will have to look for deals for some
51:24players, there will be no other choice,
51:26because
51:27>> unfortunately, it is a question of
51:30financial reality. 1 plus 1 is two, it
51:33will never be five. So, I think the
51:36pressure at Inter is very different
51:38from the pressure at Juventude, but
51:40even with pressure, if it’s a
51:42catastrophic scenario, like a Serie B
51:44scenario, the club will have no
51:46alternative. It will have to reduce the
51:49payroll drastically, even just to be
51:51able to pay on time, right? Even to be
51:54able to be responsible with its
51:56obligations. The club needs to recover
51:57its credibility in the market, right?
52:00Inter can no longer be seen as a club
52:02that signs players and doesn't pay,
52:04because soon you'll be competing for a
52:06signing and the agent, the player, or
52:08the club itself will say: "No, we won't
52:10negotiate with Inter."
52:13>> But regarding Serie B, if that happens,
52:15it applies to Internacional and Grêmio
52:17too, but we are talking about Inter. It
52:21is also true that a club of
52:24Internacional's stature enters the
52:26market with a much bigger advantage,
52:29because the player who is
52:32>> or just just a just a parenthesis. Yes,
52:34I understand what you’re about to say
52:35.
52:36>> The player who wants to come,
52:37>> should I play for Náutico or for Inter
52:38? No, I'll play for Inter.
52:39>> No, that's fine, that's fine. But there
52:41is also this: when Inter comes to want
52:44to sign a player, ah, exactly,
52:46>> no, but then the price is different.
52:48>> even if it's a Série B player. Of
52:51course, logically, the payroll for
52:53Inter or Grêmio or Vasco or Santos, if
52:56they are in Série B, it will be higher
52:58than everyone else's. But it doesn't
53:02need to be as high as, for example,
53:04sorry for the comparison, but I have to
53:06say, like Grêmio's was in '21.
53:09>> Yes. Like Inter's was in '17.
53:11>> Exactly. It doesn't need to be that
53:13exaggerated.
53:13>> No, it really doesn't. It doesn't need
53:15to be, right? It doesn't need to. It
53:16doesn't need to and it can't be. It
53:18cannot be. Exactly. It's a matter of
53:20not being able to, of having no way to
53:22pay, because people sometimes have a
53:25view like, it seems clubs have infinite
53:27money,
53:27>> of course.
53:28>> And they don't, and they don't, so they
53:30have to meet their obligations.
53:32>> And I think, uh, the main point is
53:35>> you have to pay on time. You have to
53:37pay on time to be able to demand, to be
53:38able to
53:39>> Leonardo Aquino, why vote for Leonardo
53:41Aquino? If you were an Internacional
53:44fan, you'd say: "I'm voting for him
53:46because he does this, this, that, and
53:47that other thing." The main points of
53:51your campaign that you will carry as a
53:54dogma for the election and for after
53:56the election.
53:58>> Well, first, I consider that I don't
54:01have the vices of the administrations
54:04that led the club to total failure,
54:06right? led the club to a financial
54:11situation, because I often hear: "Oh,
54:13Leonardo isn't experienced, Leonardo
54:16hasn't held an executive position at
54:18the club," everyone is going to make
54:20mistakes, okay? Everyone is going to
54:23make mistakes. I've even joked about
54:26this with a friend, the day I make my
54:29first mistake, I'm sure they'll say: "
54:32There you go, he's just a kid, he's too
54:35young,"
54:36>> he didn't have experience. had
54:38experience, made a mistake. Now, it's
54:40been 15 years that Internacional has
54:43been in a total slump, uh, hasn't won
54:46anything, went to Série B, okay? a
54:51horrible financial situation and we've
54:53only had experienced directors in
54:56soccer and in the presidency, only
54:59experienced directors. If we had had a
55:03young president during this time, or
55:05one who hadn't held an executive
55:07position, they would certainly be
55:09saying that Inter is in this situation
55:12because they put an inexperienced
55:14person in the presidency. So, for me,
55:17this talk about inexperience, deep down
55:19, I consider it an advantage.
55:21>> Exactly. Yeah, that's also a certain
55:24prejudice.
55:24>> Yeah, it's an advantage.
55:26>> Although Alessandro, although
55:27Alessandro emerged in a meteoric way.
55:30>> No, I don't agree with you.
55:31>> Because he was in administration, but
55:33it was for a short time and football
55:34was already aimed at the presidency.
55:36>> No, no, no. And and like, undeniably no
55:39. He was vice president of
55:41administration, vice president of
55:43finance, and vice president of football
55:45. for for 4 years. In other words, if
55:50there is one thing Alessandro Barcelos
55:52was not, it was inexperienced. He was
55:55extremely experienced. And, by the way,
55:58I even heard you speaking here, eh, and
56:00I think you have every right, as a
56:02journalist, it's all fine to say that I
56:04haven't been inside the club, that my
56:05father was, and so on. But when, but
56:08when my father eh ran for president,
56:10they said the same thing about him.
56:13>> I think it is an injustice to the
56:15>> president that he didn't have
56:16experience in football, that he wasn't
56:18experienced and so on. He only managed
56:21a budget of two or three billion, which
56:23is that of the Court of Justice, right?
56:27So, I have several experienced, honest,
56:30intelligent people who have already
56:32managed things. My father managed the
56:35Court of Justice, it's obvious.
56:37Sometimes they ask me: "Oh, what
56:38position will your father have?""He
56:40doesn't need to have a position, he's
56:41my father, he will help me daily."
56:43>> And that he shouldn't help me, right?
56:45>> Yeah, no, he he passes by my office
56:47door, opens it and says: "We want a
56:49team." Yeah, so, Ricardo Breier was the
56:53president of the OAB, Eduardo Husen has
56:55experience in football, so, but he
56:57won't be in football, because if he is
56:59a vice president, he doesn't
57:00automatically
57:02>> no, but he will be on the management
57:04board and will monitor football, it
57:06will be under his tutelage, under his
57:08portfolio, the portfolio, one of the
57:10portfolios he will take care of, will
57:12observe is football, right? So, I will
57:15have experienced people by my side and
57:17I am a young person. I am a young man
57:19who follows football, I have
57:21forward-thinking ideas, I follow it a
57:23lot, I study, I took courses, and I
57:25think I have I think no, I have, Mano
57:27Chames told me this, okay? I have, I
57:29have a linguistic habit of saying "I
57:31think". And he said: "Don't say' I
57:33think 'anymore.""I believe." I am sure
57:35that I am sure that I believe.
57:38>> So I am going to implement a football
57:40policy totally different from what has
57:42been done in the last 15 years. I think
57:45that me having to explain that I am
57:48inexperienced, okay, I have to explain
57:50it, but the others have to explain how
57:52they will do things differently than
57:54they did before. Because if they do the
57:57same as they have already done, the
57:59club will end up breaking completely,
58:01the club will end up reaching an
58:03unsustainable financial situation and
58:05will continue a cycle of defeats that
58:07is no longer possible for Internacional
58:10. So, I study, I follow along, I am
58:13surrounded by experienced people, I am
58:16surrounded by people who have managed
58:18very high budgets and I am sure that we
58:21will do things differently and that we
58:24will have a policy that will lead us.
58:28Perhaps at first we will have a little
58:29difficulty due to the club's financial
58:31situation and the issue of the Anrest
58:33oversight. We will have to be very
58:35creative in the market to
58:37>> there's no money in the safe
58:38>> to build a competitive team. Now, uh, I
58:41am sure that at the end of the 3 years
58:44we will deliver a much better club than
58:46the one we received.
58:48>> I mean, do you think it's Leonardo
58:50Aquilino and one more?
58:52>> Of course, all three of them think that
58:54.
58:54>> We will be in the courtyard. Well, but
58:56then on the 9th you
58:58>> on the 9th you will have the answer.
59:01>> How has your work been with the
59:02organized fan groups? organized groups,
59:05are they vote drivers or were they more
59:08so in the past?
59:11>> Look, Reque, I think the organized fan
59:13groups are part of the club, they are
59:14fans, right? They have to be respected
59:19and we have to dialogue with them with
59:21the utmost tranquility, expose our
59:23proposals, and also talk about what we
59:25intend to do regarding the organized
59:27fan groups. I think they have their
59:31importance, but just like any other
59:34member, right? All members have the
59:37same importance, everyone decides the
59:39future of the club and it's a matter of
59:42respect, respect and a frank, open,
59:44transparent relationship. I want, as I
59:48said before, here at the beginning of
59:49the program, the support of all the
59:50colorados and with them it won't be any
59:51different.

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