Episode: 7 - Derrick "Bush" Hamilton Interview (part 1) — Transcript

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1. 0:00hello this is a prepaid collect call
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3. 0:03the google again everybody this mr clean
4. 0:06an incarcerated individual at new york
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18. 0:36of guru and mr clay today we have a very
19. 0:39special guest in the building
20. 0:41we have the brother mr derek hamilton
21. 0:43himself in the flesh so please tune in
22. 0:46and pay attention and learn from this
23. 0:48man's conversation today
24. 0:50first and foremost mr derek hamilton
25. 0:52congratulations for everything you have
26. 0:54accomplished man personally and
27. 0:56professing man for being at home a
28. 0:58decade for the transformation that you
29. 1:00have made for your commitment
30. 1:03for breaking barriers and for making
31. 1:04history
32. 1:06so thank you for putting up for speaking
33. 1:07to the boss podcast you're welcome my
34. 1:09brother i'm honored to be here i'm
35. 1:11honored to be here
36. 1:13thank you
37. 1:14all right welcome to the speaker to the
38. 1:16bars podcast
39. 1:18you know our podcast basically what we
40. 1:20do is we shed light on individuals who
41. 1:22was incarcerated before
42. 1:24and when after their incarceration what
43. 1:27they're doing now to help their
44. 1:28communities with that being said you
45. 1:30know we're going to start this interview
46. 1:32with mr bush we appreciate all the
47. 1:34listeners for speaking through the
48. 1:35problem to tune in because this is a
49. 1:37good episode and bring a whole nother
50. 1:39dynamic to our podcast welcome to
51. 1:42speaking to the bras tell a listeners
52. 1:44your name where you from and a little
53. 1:45bit about yourself
54. 1:47my name is derek hamilton again my name
55. 1:51is derek hamilton i'm from brooklyn the
56. 1:53better establishment section lafayette
57. 1:55gardens housing projects
58. 1:57i spent over 30 years incarcerated
59. 2:00throughout new york state correctional
60. 2:02facilities
61. 2:03uh
62. 2:04from a young kid
63. 2:06about 17 years old i was charged with
64. 2:08murder
65. 2:09i went to prison
66. 2:11and i had to become accumulated with the
67. 2:13law library to learn a criminal justice
68. 2:16system that would unjustly prosecute me
69. 2:19for a crime i did not commit
70. 2:21so from that time into the present i've
71. 2:23been engaged in
72. 2:25uh fighting the legal system that have
73. 2:27been
74. 2:28uh unjust to blacks and hispanics
75. 2:30underprivileged people
76. 2:32and i've just been trying to level the
77. 2:33playing field for people look like you
78. 2:35and me so they're in a nutshell you know
79. 2:37i got an organization
80. 2:39uh called family and friends of the
81. 2:40world be convicted
82. 2:41we try our best
83. 2:44to help people out that's
84. 2:45underprivileged man to get them out of
85. 2:46jail or to get them to just do in any
86. 2:49facets of the criminal justice system
87. 2:51uh and that's just who i am man i'm just
88. 2:53a soldier for the people around the
89. 2:55street soldier that fight all levels of
90. 2:58government land and let them know that
91. 3:00you know you and i need to be
92. 3:01represented in a way that when the white
93. 3:03america is represented so i just did my
94. 3:06best to look at the plan for that
95. 3:07regards
96. 3:09all right all right all right so you
97. 3:11know growing up in brooklyn at a young
98. 3:13age and being charged with a murder like
99. 3:16what was your mentality when you first
100. 3:17got incarcerated
101. 3:20well you got to remember i was
102. 3:21adolescent i was 17 years old so you
103. 3:23know i was running around robbing people
104. 3:25man and and you know i was doing a young
105. 3:2717 years old didn't like the zone
106. 3:30cutting people man you know and and and
107. 3:32being caught up in the system that was
108. 3:34abusing us so we in return was abusing
109. 3:37each other i mean correction officers
110. 3:39was beating us up at a young age
111. 3:41and we were just young
112. 3:43you know adolescents men young kids
113. 3:45ignorant
114. 3:46uh and just doing what the young kids
115. 3:48did when they when they when they
116. 3:50treated like animals
117. 3:51but it was a lawyer
118. 3:53who kind of like hit me and said young
119. 3:55man
120. 3:56like get your head out of your ass man
121. 3:57these people are trying to well you like
122. 4:00they're about to give you life in jail
123. 4:02and i know you didn't commit this crime
124. 4:03like you better wake up man and she gave
125. 4:05me two cases
126. 4:07to study
127. 4:08and i studied those cases and i
128. 4:10understood what they was actually doing
129. 4:11to me and it kind of like changed my
130. 4:14whole outlook on what was more important
131. 4:16than me uh did i want to be you know in
132. 4:18prison running around trying to get a
133. 4:20reputation
134. 4:21or you know did i want to get out of
135. 4:23jail one day all my friends was getting
136. 4:24two to six years of booking you know it
137. 4:26was y'all
138. 4:27and he was getting another shot i didn't
139. 4:28have that other shot but growing up in
140. 4:30brooklyn it was you know it was brooklyn
141. 4:32it was it was 8 19 81 82 83
142. 4:36uh you know and it was neighborhoods
143. 4:38against neighborhoods as it is today
144. 4:41but uh it was just a whole different
145. 4:42dynamic because you didn't have all the
146. 4:45resources that was just today so it was
147. 4:47violent um you know you had to hold your
148. 4:49own and and you had to meet south if it
149. 4:51wasn't tough you'd be taking manager
150. 4:53that's just the way it was how much did
151. 4:56you know about jurisprudence when you
152. 4:58first got incarcerated
153. 5:01i knew absolutely nothing about jewish
154. 5:04people i i was i didn't even have a gd
155. 5:07or high school diploma but i was i knew
156. 5:09nothing i had a good reading
157. 5:10comprehension i knew absolutely nothing
158. 5:13about love nothing
159. 5:15all right yeah i understand man because
160. 5:17me myself i studied law like very heavy
161. 5:19man and i didn't know nothing when i
162. 5:22first when i first came in the 10th
163. 5:24century so i understand how dedicated
164. 5:26you got to be in order to learn
165. 5:27jurisprudence
166. 5:28but you want you like you on the other
167. 5:30hand you know you help others fight
168. 5:32their case and you still was fighting
169. 5:33your case at the same time
170. 5:35like
171. 5:36knowing what you know now like how
172. 5:38dedicated did you have to be in order to
173. 5:40learn everything you know
174. 5:42well i mean you have to study every
175. 5:44single day
176. 5:46i mean to learn that i know there's no
177. 5:48breaks and studying
178. 5:49when people was going outside playing
179. 5:51basketball or going to the yard to tell
180. 5:54royal stories i was in the cell reading
181. 5:56criminal procedure laws and rules of
182. 5:57evidence and things of that nature
183. 5:59because i knew
184. 6:01that i had to be the smartest person
185. 6:02i've ever got back in that courtroom
186. 6:04i knew that i couldn't depend on
187. 6:07somebody else to speak up for me and
188. 6:09articulate things in the manner in which
189. 6:11i had to articulate it in order to be
190. 6:13free so i mean it's a dedication it's a
191. 6:16sacrifice
192. 6:19you're speaking up kind of the google
193. 6:20again man and um i would like to start
194. 6:23with the present moment also as far as
195. 6:26your affiliation with the innocent
196. 6:28project and with the crew movement the
197. 6:30criminal review unit
198. 6:32um listeners please like pay attention
199. 6:35to what we're listening to today what
200. 6:36this man is saying i'm sure we oh i'm
201. 6:38not the only fan of the tv show for life
202. 6:42mr derek hamilton's story is just as
203. 6:44inspiring if not more respectfully i'm
204. 6:47saying so
205. 6:49please like let us know all your
206. 6:51affiliation with the innocent project
207. 6:54and with the
208. 6:55criminal review unit please
209. 6:58so
210. 6:58i was paroled
211. 7:01i was enrolled in 2011
212. 7:03uh from auburn corrections facility
213. 7:06when i left prison i had a mandate
214. 7:09of the brothers who i was in the law
215. 7:11library with every day
216. 7:13like myself
217. 7:15were fighting their convictions were
218. 7:17pledging their innocence
219. 7:18and they felt as if the brooklyn va
220. 7:21charles hines wasn't giving us
221. 7:24a good enough shake
222. 7:25uh prior to getting out we already have
223. 7:27again all the lines in our families and
224. 7:30having them go down to city hall with
225. 7:33lonnie sorry our pr director and a few
226. 7:35others to protest against
227. 7:38being just uh
228. 7:40conditions in which we were living in
229. 7:42number one but more than anything the
230. 7:44unjust way that the criminal justice
231. 7:46system was treating us they were
232. 7:47throwing our emotions in the garbage it
233. 7:49wasn't looking at the evidence it was
234. 7:51just disregarding the facts that proved
235. 7:54that some of us was innocent some of us
236. 7:56unconstitutionally convicted
237. 7:58it just didn't care
238. 7:59so when i got out in 2011 i began
239. 8:02joining
240. 8:03others who was disgruntled with charles
241. 8:06hines and we began
242. 8:08orchestrating
243. 8:09a strategic movement to remove them from
244. 8:11office
245. 8:12against all the naysayers that said we
246. 8:14couldn't get rid of were incumbent but
247. 8:16it would never happen we were successful
248. 8:19in getting rid of charles hines and
249. 8:21elected a new d.a ken thompson into
250. 8:24office
251. 8:25and one of the mandates we had to ken
252. 8:27thompson when he got in office was that
253. 8:30he would
254. 8:31put a criminal review unit together that
255. 8:33he would put together a unit that would
256. 8:36review the wrongful convictions that was
257. 8:38in brooklyn and we had to listen to them
258. 8:40uh and we asked
259. 8:42his promise that once he get in he would
260. 8:45do that and one of the
261. 8:46cheap people was a guy by the name of
262. 8:48dave george
263. 8:49who was running against ken thompson and
264. 8:52charles hines who helped put this unit
265. 8:55together who helped make sure that the
266. 8:57bridge was got and they would keep their
267. 8:59word
268. 9:00uh in april of the year that ken
269. 9:02thompson was elected
270. 9:04uh they didn't have a unit together by
271. 9:06them he went out to city hall again and
272. 9:08protested against him and made him put
273. 9:10the unit together and he began
274. 9:12exonerating people within two years he
275. 9:14has dominated about 22 people in this
276. 9:17unit me being one
277. 9:18uh and he he admitted as a prosecutor
278. 9:21that there was a systemic racist problem
279. 9:24with the office and how he was treating
280. 9:26blacks on the spot
281. 9:27and he went on to
282. 9:29you know change the dynamics in the way
283. 9:31that we were receiving justice in the
284. 9:33brooklyn da's office
285. 9:34unfortunately he had cancer and he died
286. 9:37within the two years women's family and
287. 9:39was never able to finish his work as you
288. 9:42know a different type of prosecutor from
289. 9:44brooklyn
290. 9:46but from his actions we knew
291. 9:48that
292. 9:49a prosecutor who was fed
293. 9:52can change the whole denial of the
294. 9:54criminal justice system that we once
295. 9:55knew it
296. 9:56and we had that
297. 9:58motto to follow
298. 10:00and so we made sure that when melinda
299. 10:02cash was running in queens we sat down
300. 10:03with her and said look you need to put
301. 10:05this model together and she did it and
302. 10:07since she's been here a few years
303. 10:09they've been struggling raising my
304. 10:10office
305. 10:11um you know we have more discussions
306. 10:13with
307. 10:14alvin bragg in manhattan right now whose
308. 10:16pledge and promise to the unit together
309. 10:18the same way so the manhattan to keep
310. 10:20that type of justice
311. 10:22uh my work with the innocent project has
312. 10:23been primarily in legislative actions we
313. 10:26work together to change the way that
314. 10:28identifications have been held in
315. 10:30precepts that the cop will let you no
316. 10:32longer know that you're going to be in
317. 10:34the lineup so he can't tell the victim
318. 10:36pick out number two or three or
319. 10:38suggestion about pointing you out or
320. 10:39anything of that nature uh we also
321. 10:41changed the way that interrogations were
322. 10:43being conducted
323. 10:44that you know cops can no longer just
324. 10:46interrogate you uh doing a portion of
325. 10:48your video recording and nobody knows
326. 10:51what happened prior to that whether they
327. 10:52beat you up whether they lie to you
328. 10:54whether they promise you the world or
329. 10:56whatever prior to you getting on that
330. 10:58video taking profession uh we also
331. 11:00changed the discovery layers
332. 11:02uh how the prosecutor now was a day
333. 11:04wrapping it back but not to turn over
334. 11:07all the discovery materials so they
335. 11:08can't hide no more you need to know
336. 11:10everything that's happening with your
337. 11:11case any video any document that is this
338. 11:14your lawyer should have so you should be
339. 11:15able to mount your defense
340. 11:18previously they was holding it to the
341. 11:19last moment giving it to you in an evil
342. 11:21trial when you know you didn't have the
343. 11:22time to investigate or prepare for trial
344. 11:25so my work with the innocence project
345. 11:26has been primarily in that regards at
346. 11:29present we're working on
347. 11:31changing the way
348. 11:32that cops interrogate
349. 11:34uh juveniles right the law by the
350. 11:37supreme court so they can lie to you
351. 11:38when they interrogate you they can tell
352. 11:40you they got your dna they can tell they
353. 11:42got you on video they can tell you
354. 11:43whatever they need to tell you to get
355. 11:44you to confess
356. 11:46we're working to change that so crops
357. 11:47getting around a lot and to see people
358. 11:49doing the interrogation process
359. 11:51so that's my advantage project in
360. 11:54nutshell we do a lot of legislative
361. 11:55action
362. 11:56uh sometimes i call them
363. 11:58when prosecutors are being pig-headed
364. 12:00and don't want to listen we actually
365. 12:02join in and try to speak reason for
366. 12:04prosecutors
367. 12:05and things of that nature
368. 12:08okay okay okay that's right that's right
369. 12:10appreciate you brother appreciate you a
370. 12:13lot now
371. 12:14um
372. 12:16i've seen you on tv i've seen you with
373. 12:18the black hat on awfully convicted i've
374. 12:21seen you in the courtroom
375. 12:22when john bond got exonerated
376. 12:25um
377. 12:26and i'm like wow look at bush you know
378. 12:27that's my judge george simpson you know
379. 12:30and um
380. 12:32like
381. 12:34you open the doors exposing detectives
382. 12:36call
383. 12:39you know it's like
384. 12:41once once once you came down in a
385. 12:43reversal and once you got your case
386. 12:45straight kids like a whole bunch of
387. 12:46brothers also started coming down that
388. 12:48was arrested and wrongfully convicted by
389. 12:50that man
390. 12:51you know and he he's like nothing right
391. 12:53now with his tension and everything
392. 12:56you know how do you feel about that
393. 12:59well
394. 13:00you know i feel that the system races as
395. 13:02it is
396. 13:03was about to
397. 13:06release when they released john rancho
398. 13:08david ramsey let me get the name right
399. 13:10david ranta a white guy who was
400. 13:12convicted of killing a jewish robot
401. 13:15a scarcella victim
402. 13:17and once they released to david lanter
403. 13:18he was going to be quiet
404. 13:20about all the blacks and the spanish
405. 13:22that was subjected to the same type of
406. 13:24criminality by this cop
407. 13:26um
408. 13:27fortunately for me
409. 13:28i was working on another case julio
410. 13:30acevedo's case
411. 13:32uh and the new york times reporter had
412. 13:34asked me
413. 13:35why would julio be afraid of the cops
414. 13:38and i was in a position to say that the
415. 13:40cops are corrupt and i said in two weeks
416. 13:42you're going to see exaggeration by god
417. 13:44i didn't know david ran the name at that
418. 13:46time because lawyer had called me
419. 13:48but he wouldn't tell me his name but he
420. 13:50told me that it was going to release his
421. 13:52car selling guy but they didn't want to
422. 13:53overturn my conviction that he don't
423. 13:55understand why i had no evidence of
424. 13:57anybody but they just was pig-headed
425. 13:59when it came to me so when i shared this
426. 14:02information
427. 14:03with the new york times reporter she
428. 14:05agreed to do an investigation
429. 14:07and based on her investigation francis
430. 14:09rivers in the name
431. 14:11the d.a at that time charles hines
432. 14:14agreed to look at 50 of these scarcely
433. 14:16cases
434. 14:18um and that opened the door for all the
435. 14:20brothers
436. 14:21who couldn't get their cases heard
437. 14:23and simultaneously by the time that that
438. 14:25happened the television for the first
439. 14:28time in new york history had overturned
440. 14:30my conviction
441. 14:31and ruled that an innocent person in new
442. 14:34york can come before
443. 14:36on a post-eviction motion 440.10
444. 14:39and argue a claim of actual innocence so
445. 14:42that was very important because prior to
446. 14:44this case coming out my case
447. 14:46courts were procedurally barring you
448. 14:48they were saying well you should have
449. 14:49read this before or you could have read
450. 14:51this before we don't want to hear it
451. 14:52don't come in here now with this claim
452. 14:55saying you're innocent when you should
453. 14:56have took it on a pill or you could have
454. 14:58raised any previous motion
455. 15:00uh the television and people was in
456. 15:01hamilton changed that uh they said that
457. 15:04if you have a primary phase of evidence
458. 15:06of innocence or the court must give you
459. 15:08a hearing and that in itself the doors
460. 15:11with so many dudes who couldn't get in
461. 15:12the court previously
462. 15:15um
463. 15:16right that's right that's right that's
464. 15:17right you see you've been you've been in
465. 15:19the you've been in so many battles with
466. 15:21these people in these court homes i
467. 15:23don't need me personally growing up in
468. 15:25brooklyn here in your name
469. 15:27you know coming to jail since i was 18
470. 15:29years old as a child too this is my
471. 15:30second statement
472. 15:32i did 13 straight on the first one i got
473. 15:34seven in down on the second one
474. 15:37i don't even feel like calling you bush
475. 15:38anymore you know i feel like
476. 15:42you i have to call you derek hamilton
477. 15:44now you know i got old i print out your
478. 15:46cases when i'm in special housing unh i
479. 15:49i look to you for for strength i'm
480. 15:51saying i read your cases and
481. 15:55you've been
482. 15:56convicted not once but twice
483. 15:59and was sentenced for life sentences
484. 16:00correct
485. 16:01absolutely absolutely
486. 16:04all right moving forward um
487. 16:08me and mr clean um
488. 16:11look up to you you inspire us a lot you
489. 16:13know we always have a little live
490. 16:14therapy we both have our appeals in
491. 16:18and
492. 16:19you know
493. 16:20i just appreciate having a brother like
494. 16:22you on the outside you know what i'm
495. 16:24saying that we could look up to
496. 16:26and say well you know
497. 16:28he's he's been through worse than what
498. 16:30we're going through right now
499. 16:32you know
500. 16:33and um i've seen that brothers like toby
501. 16:36came home and cardi came home and
502. 16:38chewbacca came home and hook came home
503. 16:41and mel was getting ready to come home
504. 16:43soon so congratulations on mel also
505. 16:47helping mail out
506. 16:49um
507. 16:50i would like to ask you like
508. 16:53what advice would you give to a brother
509. 16:55or sister that's actually appealing a
510. 16:57conviction right now or to a person even
511. 16:59in the street right now fighting a case
512. 17:02well the first thing i would say is
513. 17:05don't trust
514. 17:06your adversary um don't trust
515. 17:09your lawyer um don't trust anybody
516. 17:13um you got to understand that
517. 17:15the system is designed to railroad us
518. 17:18right and don't repeat that the system
519. 17:19is designed to railroad us so when you
520. 17:22know
521. 17:23that a system is operating to get to a
522. 17:26dysfunction when it comes to you you got
523. 17:28to go in with a distrust right we have
524. 17:30to trust them we listen to lawyers uh we
525. 17:33believe what they say
526. 17:34uh when a lyme prosecutor that person
527. 17:38that comes into court and being unjust
528. 17:40to you
529. 17:41uh when they're not being fair your
530. 17:43lawyer has an obligation and a duty to
531. 17:46go to their bosses obligation to go
532. 17:48upstairs and say look this is not fair
533. 17:51a lot of times you are discriminated
534. 17:53against because you got a previous
535. 17:54conviction that's not fair they bump the
536. 17:57charges up on you charge you with a
537. 17:58higher charge because you got a previous
538. 18:00conviction that's not fair so the most
539. 18:03important advice i can give you to
540. 18:04litigate
541. 18:06every sense of the way if you think
542. 18:08something is not right protest it follow
543. 18:10motion against it don't sit back and be
544. 18:13idle under those circumstances you have
545. 18:15to be actively engaged and fighting for
546. 18:17your life
547. 18:18right because at the end of the day you
548. 18:20know if a god came up on you in the
549. 18:22street and swung at you you're gonna
550. 18:23fight back that's a reflex that's a
551. 18:25natural reflex to defend yourself it's
552. 18:27the same thing with the law um read the
553. 18:30criminal procedure law understand the
554. 18:33criminal procedure we have very good
555. 18:34when you want to pill you want to read
556. 18:36from 460 cpr on down because you want to
557. 18:39understand what the rules are
558. 18:41of the occult division you want to know
559. 18:43what you can do and what you cannot do
560. 18:45and you want to read griefs of other
561. 18:47people who have similar situations like
562. 18:49yours you want to get the briefs of the
563. 18:50lawyers submitted and you want to study
564. 18:52those briefs you want to read them the
565. 18:54ones that want and the ones that lost
566. 18:56but now you know what you can do what
567. 18:58you can do what the god lost that didn't
568. 19:00do right and what the guy that one did
569. 19:02like right you just want to arm yourself
570. 19:05with as much knowledge as possible so
571. 19:07that you can
572. 19:08tell your lawyer what you think the
573. 19:10issues may be and help him when you're a
574. 19:13pill because nobody's gonna fight
575. 19:16as hard
576. 19:17as you and you've got more time than
577. 19:18anybody else to do it because it's your
578. 19:20life right you're not gonna find
579. 19:22somebody uh uh you know like me that's
580. 19:24gonna say you know what i've been there
581. 19:26man i'm gonna take my time with this
582. 19:27cave man you know i'm gonna call some
583. 19:29people up and say yeah what you're doing
584. 19:30in the shooting right man that's [ __ ]
585. 19:32up what y'all doing here right and
586. 19:34you're gonna be in their face every
587. 19:35chance of the way or you're gonna have
588. 19:37dedicated lawyers that get it and that's
589. 19:40gonna go on your television and argue
590. 19:42like hell will get you out
591. 19:44most lawyers are not like that
592. 19:46uh emotional
593. 19:48uh a part of the system that enslaves us
594. 19:51right most of them right and i'm not
595. 19:54saying that you don't have some good
596. 19:55lawyers but i'm saying you have more bad
597. 19:57lawyers than you have good and that's
598. 19:59the fact
599. 20:01thank you everybody for tuning in and
600. 20:03sitting back and listening to this
601. 20:04interview that we just did
602. 20:06with derek bush hamilton
603. 20:09the work that he put in the work that he
604. 20:11had to put in let me start off with
605. 20:13saying that the work that he had to put
606. 20:16in
607. 20:17to gain back his actual innocence to
608. 20:19actually change the law
609. 20:23that helped affect thousands of people
610. 20:25behind him
611. 20:27we appreciate the work that he did we
612. 20:29appreciate him for coming through and
613. 20:31doing part one of this interview
614. 20:33and we can't wait to put part two of the
615. 20:35interview back out there because
616. 20:37the things that the brother got to talk
617. 20:39to man talk about
618. 20:41i think we need to hear
619. 20:43it was a good time sitting here asking
620. 20:46you know mr bush you know the questions
621. 20:47that we got to ask because
622. 20:49i got to learn
623. 20:51stuff about him i didn't know personally
624. 20:54as far as him being a part of getting
625. 20:56the juvenile life off and how he pushed
626. 20:59for legislation for us out there we need
627. 21:02him to elaborate more on what we
628. 21:05as the least listeners are speaking of
629. 21:07the bars have to do in order to help
630. 21:09some of this legislation get pushed
631. 21:11through man it's so much more that we
632. 21:13want to talk to them about you know
633. 21:15being in the situation we in
634. 21:17it's like you know we limited to our
635. 21:19time but we appreciate
636. 21:21him coming through and taking the time
637. 21:23out of his busy day to sit down
638. 21:27and have a discussion with us and
639. 21:28enlighten us on the things that he got
640. 21:30going on in his life
641. 21:32it's the inspiration to see a black man
642. 21:36out there working
643. 21:38to help defeat a system that's not for
644. 21:42us and when i say us i mean
645. 21:45minority period as a system against you
646. 21:48period if you're struggling in this
647. 21:50system period if you're looking for the
648. 21:52better you with inside you period that's
649. 21:54what i mean when i say us
650. 21:57because at the end of the day well i
651. 21:58like to say at the beginning of the day
652. 22:00because you can't entertain your own
653. 22:02beginning
654. 22:03but at the beginning of the day
655. 22:08you only as great as you allow yourself
656. 22:11to be
657. 22:13and your greatness gonna come from
658. 22:14within first you got to believe in
659. 22:16yourself first
660. 22:20in order to make it to where you want to
661. 22:22be in life and that's what we try to do
662. 22:24as speaking of the bronze speaker
663. 22:26through the box podcast we try to bring
664. 22:28stories to
665. 22:30individuals who listen to this podcast
666. 22:33and let them hear
667. 22:35the underdog story the story of people
668. 22:37coming from the bottom and never giving
669. 22:39up like derek hamilton bush
670. 22:42that life sentence didn't give up he
671. 22:45didn't he could have easily
672. 22:49been in the yard everywhere he could
673. 22:51have easily
674. 22:53been willing to put in some work to make
675. 22:54some money
676. 22:56every day it could have been easily
677. 22:58indulging in all the extra-curricular
678. 23:01activities there's the indulgence and
679. 23:03incarceration in prison and the
680. 23:06penitentiary but that man stayed focused
681. 23:09he stayed dedicated
682. 23:12he got himself
683. 23:13home and he found a lawyer who
684. 23:16who was willing to help him
685. 23:19be that mouthpiece in order to speak the
686. 23:21lord that he's putting up because he's
687. 23:24his argument was new
688. 23:27we never seen an argument with somebody
689. 23:29using us law to challenge the innocence
690. 23:33that wasn't put there for them to do it
691. 23:35and they create a way for everybody else
692. 23:37to do it now so i just want to say man
693. 23:39stay tuned because we definitely got
694. 23:41part two coming and we look forward to
695. 23:43have your listeners back forward thank
696. 23:44you for tuning in and speaking through
697. 23:46the bar podcast your boy mr clean
698. 23:49co-host patty the crew