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0:03[Music]
0:11how about that
0:12that's true but then we sound like
0:14boomers and it makes me cringe
0:18look how beautiful that is is that
0:21better
0:21is that really better though look it's
0:24so nice and
0:25then block print no it's not lovely
0:29no that's why i'm very consistent if you
0:31can't tell with all my caps
0:33yeah you and michael are little virgo
0:35weirdos you guys do
0:36have to be consistent abby block letters
0:39all of it look how
0:40legible it is easy to read and it's big
0:44and it's clean and it's all the same no
0:47i agree it's very good for what you've
0:48done here that looks great
0:51so like low-key this bothers me but i
0:53tried to shut it down
0:55because it's not good
1:02[Music]
1:10hey guys hey guys welcome welcome i'm
1:13abby and i'm shawna
1:14this is anxious and afraid the podcast
1:18where we yell at each other about
1:20cursive and block letters
1:21we also talk about ghosts and yes or
1:24true crime or the consistency of all
1:27caps is needed
1:29yeah we have we disagree on some things
1:32i guess
1:36it's okay i still love you yeah thanks i
1:37love you too um
1:39hey welcome um welcome to our show
1:42here we are yeah and we talk about how
1:45we're anxious and all that jazz so join
1:47us in those feelings
1:49and abby yes tell us about your feelings
1:51of feeling anxious
1:52okay just playing off what we were
1:54arguing about earlier it's because we
1:56were talking about
1:57this new word this new term yeah i told
2:00you about it
2:00yeah that shauna told me about last
2:02night that i'd never heard of before
2:04it's a new thing apparently and it's the
2:07word
2:08chugi which sounds disgusting i hate it
2:10so much it's the most disgusting word
2:12i've ever heard before in my life yeah
2:14and to know that somebody made it up
2:16makes me extra angry because you could
2:18have
2:19gone with any word and you went with a
2:20terrible one a terrible sounding word
2:22and it basically means and i think it's
2:23because it triggers me yeah i'm also
2:25very offended
2:26by it because it's like another lineage
2:29yes
2:30attacking outdated millennials because
2:32now we're old apparently
2:33yeah and they're targeting us for our
2:36skinny jeans
2:37and our side parts and the emoji face
2:40and
2:40the crying face now we're so basic that
2:42we're chookies or something like that
2:44ew i just hate that word so much that's
2:46what i learned on late night
2:48i literally had to google it you guys
2:49there was a new york times article about
2:51the word chugi i was like what is this
2:53world coming to you it's so
2:54disappointing
2:56so that made me anxious and it stressed
2:59me out because
3:00i don't want to be called a chugi by a
3:0216 year old no like
3:03come on we don't hit on you that hard so
3:05like just don't make fun of us anymore
3:07okay like we get it from both ends
3:09same team right yeah why are you
3:11attacking us we're supporting you
3:13we're like change the world and they're
3:15like thanks for [ __ ] it up more
3:17i know i'm like no that was our parents
3:19we're just stuck in the middle
3:23so yeah i feel triggered by that word um
3:27and i'm upset that i have to google new
3:29words now like an old person
3:31yeah and i hate that it's also like semi
3:33true because it's like i do have to keep
3:35up on the new lingo
3:37like we're old but we're young at the
3:39same time and i just don't like it
3:40it's a very weird place it's weird limbo
3:43place to be in and then when i start
3:44going off about like
3:45well you don't know how to cursive i'm
3:47like i'm an old person
3:50and that doesn't feel good no so i'm
3:53sure
3:53our listeners can relate they're all
3:55probably roughly our age
3:56i know i mean we're older than google
3:58how disgusting you i hate when you say
4:00that
4:01the worst thing to realize is true so
4:04disgusting i want to think about it
4:07well what made you anxious or afraid
4:09this week uh
4:10well there's all of that like every day
4:12yes um but
4:14um today i'm actually having to
4:18drive by myself to the airport to pick
4:20up my husband
4:21yeah and just driving by myself a long
4:24distance is a little scary
4:26yeah it's a couple hours it's been a
4:27while since i've done it so
4:29we'll see how it goes see if i don't get
4:31lost hopefully big city
4:32international airport it's a big airport
4:36yeah we were talking i drove there once
4:38and it was pretty stressful if you
4:40if you haven't like done it before or
4:42been there before yeah
4:43a lot of people so wish me luck on that
4:46i wish you
4:46the best of luck thank you i bet your
4:48gps godspeed
4:50thank you godspeed i bet your gps will
4:52help you out
4:53yeah yeah hopefully she'll be accurate
4:56yeah
4:57cool i bet you nail it on the first try
4:59i hope so
5:00at least it'll still be light out yes
5:02that's what i'm like
5:03thankful for i don't know how every year
5:05it blows my mind that it's still light
5:06out at like 8 30 and like wow
5:09every single year we go through such a
5:11dark depressing winter
5:13yeah of short days where we're just like
5:15oh my gosh
5:16light until 8 pm yeah like am i ever
5:19gonna not be amazed by this
5:21no it goes as far as like 9 30 in the
5:24mid-summer
5:25yeah it's crazy long days i love it
5:27mm-hmm
5:29oh i had one tiny correction from last
5:30week oh yeah it's really bothering you
5:33so when i was talking about learners in
5:35the tank i said that he had
5:37blonde hair and blue eyes and he
5:38actually has brown eyes
5:41i say i apologize you're a halfway one
5:44you had
5:44brown eyes and i know that our listeners
5:47can't see it but on the board
5:48it's spelled with one tea but i believe
5:51i know i spelled it wrong
5:52and it's in lower case so come on get
5:54your [ __ ] just failing guys
5:56even see what i have to put up with like
5:59hey it's been a while since me and
6:00michael teamed up and were like
6:01[ __ ] caps man that's the hill you
6:05guys are going to die on
6:06we agree i'm not sure organization is
6:10key
6:10i complimented your block letters i'll
6:13take it back
6:15it was a two-sided compliment or
6:16whatever those are called oh underhanded
6:18copper
6:20i like that oh that's a brita i'm pretty
6:22sure that's a bretta from
6:24community i love that no i would i
6:27wasn't sarcastic i really do like her
6:29it's really great for what you've got
6:30going on there i said for what you've
6:32done there
6:33for what you were trying to do it worked
6:34for what you did i liked it
6:36i was a compliment i see what you were
6:39going for
6:40michael he's trying to pit us against
6:42each other i'm having fun
6:44yeah he's in his like new chair it's
6:46like a big a large
6:48chair he's got a cat in his lap that
6:50he's stroking we're doing a morning
6:52record so i've got a different energy
6:53than normal
6:54oh that's true i stayed the night yeah
6:56we had a slumber party yeah yeah cause
6:58like chad's out of town why would i want
7:00to be by myself so
7:01we had me over adult summer party it was
7:04so fun
7:05we it's like our kind of party where we
7:06ate a lot of food we did
7:08unshamelessly shame yeah we shamelessly
7:11ate
7:12a lot of food and i had all that candy
7:14and uncheap
7:16i'm so stupid i was ashamed um and then
7:19we watched two documentaries
7:21oh my gosh we were so excited we were
7:24like oh my gosh
7:25friday night we're getting lit with like
7:28talks about
7:29whales and the titanic ship and i
7:32changed the lights in the room so that
7:33they were
7:34nautical like blue yeah from the vibe we
7:37were like totally vibing it what a nerd
7:38we're such
7:39nerd god damn it but we were so into it
7:42michael came in i think he thought we
7:44were drunk but we weren't we were just
7:45having a lot of fun
7:46yeah we're loud we were eating candy it
7:48was like the best time like sitting on
7:50your bed eating candy and watching
7:51whales
7:51sugar high we had a sugar high for sure
7:54because my mom got me that like
7:56nostalgia box of like all the 90s candy
7:58and it's
7:59it's just pure sugar yeah there's like
8:01no chocolate in it it's just like
8:03all the sugar sour candy sugar candy
8:05gummy candy
8:06yeah like uh sour patch kids and
8:09skittles
8:10but i also yeah that's also my jam so i
8:11helped her out with that she did
8:13there's a lot of stuff i wasn't going to
8:14eat so thank you for that
8:17okay all right okay back to biz abby
8:21i'm in it you are here you're wearing a
8:23brace but you are
8:24giving us an episode yes i am i actually
8:27finished it early this week which
8:29was kind of amazing so proud of you
8:30because i was like oh no are you going
8:31to be able to finish it if i'm going to
8:33be there distracting you
8:34i know it's like i guess you can come
8:35over and i'll ignore you because i'm so
8:38last minute doing it like a half hour
8:39before i come over
8:40yeah so i got it done early so we could
8:42hang um but yeah
8:44this is my first episode back i'm like
8:47am i nervous
8:48are you you must be i was i'm always
8:50nervous i know it's so weird and it's
8:52like
8:53why why am i this way okay this is
8:55episode 68
8:57okay yay isn't that crazy
9:00yeah ew and that'll almost be 75 and
9:03that's almost
9:04200. that's how numbers work yep
9:08all right all right let's do this thing
9:10okay so for my first episode back
9:12i thought wouldn't it be nice to
9:14traumatize everyone again with a
9:15harrowing survival story of course
9:18of course yes of course it would for the
9:21record i'm shaking my head no
9:23do you know what she's doing no oh okay
9:26i mean i should because she said a lot
9:27about it to me in the last week but
9:29i was like actually i talked to you
9:30about it several times so i'm surprised
9:34i want it to be a surprise
9:35[Laughter]
9:38i actively ignore everything you say
9:41sounds good uh-huh
9:43wow okay so while researching the story
9:48i found that the main character of our
9:49story today had a very
9:51interesting takeaway from their
9:52experience and
9:54i think it differs from a lot of the
9:56other stories that we've
9:57um done with like similar circumstances
10:00okay
10:01so today a little different i just gotta
10:04mix it up you know you gotta keep it
10:05fresh keep
10:06coming back for more so today
10:10i will be telling you the rather obscure
10:12survival story
10:13of annette herfkins who was the sole
10:16survivor
10:17of the vietnam airlines flight 474
10:21plane crash in the vietnam jungle
10:24oh my god the jungle now i remember what
10:27story you're doing
10:28yeah like how could you forget this is
10:31like a very
10:32memorable yeah that's pretty specific
10:34yeah oh my gosh but crazy a soul
10:36survivor
10:37plane crash story again yes but then
10:39also jungle
10:40in the jungle oh my god girl let's hear
10:43all about it
10:44ready for this okay i mean it's already
10:46intense just like based on the category
10:48alone
10:49right um but first you know i got to
10:52recognize my main source
10:53for our story today which was a book
10:56written by annette herfkins herself
10:59so you can't get much better than that
11:02and the book is called turbulence a true
11:04story
11:04of survival and i will say that it was
11:08um it's a fascinating read and it was
11:10really hard to put down
11:11but it's also not organized in a way
11:13that is convenient for research
11:15um she kind of weaves her life before
11:18and after the accident into chapters
11:20between
11:20small windows of description of her time
11:23directly after the plane crash
11:25so it's like it's kind of like you're
11:27constantly getting like
11:29before the crash and like all these
11:30different perspectives yeah
11:32um so i did see reviews saying that the
11:34organization was jarring
11:36and they also didn't feel like she wrote
11:37enough about the accident but
11:39i really like the book um you really get
11:41to know annette and all the hurdles she
11:42went through after the accident as well
11:44as
11:45chapters from her friends and family's
11:46perspective so i just thought it was
11:48really good
11:49all right i feel like i should have like
11:50a rating system for books like
11:53a wood read scale you know like a borf
11:55short but like for books
11:57yeah that'd only be you though because i
11:59don't read books
12:00yeah i don't know what i would call it
12:02though but something clever
12:04hmm you guys email us your ideas anxious
12:07and afraid
12:08gmail.com um okay
12:11so as i said before it's a more obscure
12:14case
12:14uh almost no other podcasts have covered
12:17this
12:18um that i could find i think only two
12:21wow okay
12:22like look at you yeah i know it's like
12:24obscure
12:25um and i'm so kind of like nervous to
12:28tell our story but i'm excited no it's
12:29gonna be great
12:30all right okay so as i said before our
12:33story
12:34centers around a woman named annette
12:36herfkins
12:37and let's talk about her for a minute
12:39because i know you're gonna love her
12:40she's so cool and she's like really
12:42world traveled
12:44um so on april 29th 1961
12:48annette herfkins was born in venezuela
12:50to a dutch family
12:52she's tall and thin and she's beautiful
12:55and she's blonde
12:56and she's you know blue-eyed dutch
13:00and she seemed like she exceeded at most
13:02things i feel like i always tell stories
13:03about women who are just good at
13:04everything
13:05well because women are good yeah i'm
13:07just like everyone's so cool
13:10she was athletic as well as intelligent
13:12and had a rather privileged
13:14and charmed childhood from the way she
13:16described it nice
13:18after high school annette attended
13:20leiden
13:21university in the netherlands where she
13:23studied law
13:24with an emphasis on economics the
13:27netherlands too that's cool
13:29yeah she's smart um she lived in the
13:31only co-ed
13:32sorority house on campus where she would
13:35eventually meet
13:36willem vanderpaw who everyone called
13:39poche or poshjay
13:41parshe i was trying to listen to the way
13:43that she pronounced it but she has an
13:45accent
13:47but it's spelled p-a-s-j-e crochet
13:50poche does he sashay away he sasha's
13:53position
13:56but she put an r in it when she
13:57pronounced it but i wasn't sure if
13:58that's just because of her accent or not
14:00so she kind of pronounced it like
14:01parshay but poche
14:04um so he also studied law and he lived
14:07in the co-ed
14:07sorority house and after medianet the
14:10two became
14:11very good friends pasha looked different
14:14from the other dutch boys at the
14:15university
14:16who are mostly you know tall and thin
14:18blonde hair blue eye just like a net
14:20sure um but pasha was more stocky with
14:23brown hair and brown eyes
14:24and annette found him to be more kind
14:27and mature than most of the other guys
14:28she was used to
14:29okay so soon the pair became best
14:31friends and
14:33as they spent more and more time
14:34together they started to catch fields
14:37friends with benny's yeah a little bit
14:39of bennies
14:40which was a prohibited in their sorority
14:43of course it was fabulous yeah they had
14:44to keep their love a secret
14:46it's so fun um annette would later say
14:50that he was not only her first love but
14:52the love of her life
14:53and her soul mate she's very sweet
14:57the couple vacation together in paris
14:59and long to travel more together and see
15:01the world
15:02same i think it's easier when you're in
15:05europe to travel
15:06yeah different cool places it doesn't
15:08take as long to
15:10visit all the countries and i don't
15:11cross an ocean damn it
15:13no they both spent some time in south
15:15america as part of their studies and
15:17after graduation they moved to amsterdam
15:19and eventually began working for ing
15:22bank
15:23okay uh poche who was four years older
15:26than annette
15:27had relatively no issues with fitting
15:29into the banking world in the 1980s
15:31but for a net it was more of a struggle
15:34uh she was entering a male dominated
15:36field
15:37and knew the cards were stacked against
15:39her always but
15:40she kicked ass anyway of course she's a
15:42badass she is
15:44annette became the first female
15:46executive trainee
15:47at ing bank and faced a lot of shade
15:50from her male colleagues
15:51and was told by the department head of
15:53the credit analysis department
15:55that he had little hopes of getting a
15:57woman to analyze anything at all
15:59oh no no what a dick
16:03wow i can't believe you just say that to
16:07someone's face it seems so
16:10like old but we're still dealing with it
16:13i know and realizing that becoming an
16:16adult was like
16:17jarring for me because i was like oh no
16:19we're more woke
16:20obviously yeah cause it's but no
16:23no maybe they won't say it as openly
16:25like they did then but it's still the
16:27same
16:27people yeah same idea still not
16:30equality pay double pay equality pay
16:34i'm gonna quality pay i'm saying words
16:35all wrong
16:37what's new it's the morning i know we're
16:40tired
16:41uh okay so but annette proved them wrong
16:44once again
16:44and not only survived the executive
16:46trainee program but scored the most
16:48coveted posting in new york city
16:51becoming the first female executive
16:52trainee to be sent abroad by a dutch
16:54bank
16:55nice boss [ __ ] after a year in new york
16:59in 1989 annette was promoted and
17:02relocated to london uh she would find
17:05out that her promotion was due
17:06to the death of an ldc trader in london
17:09who had tragically died in a plane crash
17:12oh no a little creepy foreshadowing
17:14there oh no
17:16meanwhile or her boyfriend poche was
17:18relocating
17:19to chile on a two-year assignment with
17:21ing bank
17:22these two just travel so much into like
17:25all of these cool [ __ ] places i'm
17:27just so jealous
17:28um one of the things that amazes me
17:30about annette and poche was their
17:32ability to successfully navigate a long
17:35distance relationship long term sounds
17:38like it yeah they're like not in the
17:39same place as most of the time
17:42and they've already been together for
17:43years at this point and they are still
17:44very much in love
17:46oh and they don't have like the same
17:47technology back in those days to really
17:49make it easier they just like talked on
17:51the phone a lot yeah
17:53um and they were both like fiercely
17:54independent and
17:56intelligent and wanted to focus on their
17:57careers um so that they could eventually
18:00settle down
18:01um pasha was always threatening to
18:04propose to annette
18:05i'm gonna marry you yeah and she would
18:08jokingly turn him down and say don't you
18:09dare we are in this together and we will
18:11for sure eventually oh that's cute
18:15yeah that was pretty cute and well for
18:17them like they knew they were a done
18:19deal so
18:20yeah putting off the engagement like
18:21wasn't you know the end of the world
18:23yeah they thought that they always had
18:24more time
18:25sure uh the pair would fly to each other
18:28to visit
18:29um and thanks to their well-paying jobs
18:30they could afford it yeah
18:32jealous and sometimes their bank would
18:34pay for it too it's like oh that'd be
18:36cool
18:36how did they do that back in those days
18:38i don't know i think if you're like a
18:40rich
18:41executive they're just like sure true
18:43that uh
18:44by now annette herfkins was doing very
18:47well for herself she was making big
18:48contacts in the international trading
18:50world
18:51um which is just so over my head to
18:54write about i was like trying to
18:55understand all the [ __ ] she's talking
18:57about and like i don't understand
18:58trading
19:00million dollar deals no way stocks bonds
19:02like don't talk to me about it
19:04um she met a man named jamie lupa
19:07through work who was one of the top
19:09traders for citibank out of new york
19:12he would call her every morning to ask
19:13about the european markets
19:15and soon the pair became friends so he
19:18travels to london
19:20to meet his business affiliates which
19:22included annette
19:23and she describes her shock after seeing
19:25him for the first time because
19:27he did not look like a big time new york
19:30trader
19:31he was older than her and he had long
19:34bushy dark hair
19:35oh no and a very impressive mustache
19:37think like
19:38burt reynolds oh no with a pharah faucet
19:41hairdo but
19:42like a suit and tie i can't handle it
19:47it's not hot just imagine the look like
19:50shoulder length
19:51feathered bushy brown hair and like this
19:54mustache that like goes halfway across
19:56his cheeks and down
19:58no i hate it so much and he told her she
20:01didn't look
20:02how he pictured her either he thought
20:04she was going to be a short and thick
20:06brunette
20:09okay i know i was like rude but instead
20:12he gets this like
20:13like gorgeous blonde tall
20:16model lady with a cute blonde bob cut
20:20um she kind of weirdly looked like the
20:23lady from the other plane crashed i was
20:25gonna say it kind of
20:26describes the other similar look so yeah
20:28because she was also like
20:29hottie yeah she's hot she's blonde yeah
20:31she has the short hair too
20:32she did yeah so like that's kind of
20:34weird um
20:36but yeah so the two hit it off after
20:38their initial shock and seeing what the
20:39other person actually looked like yeah
20:41it's like this is back in the early 90s
20:4380s so they're only seeing each other
20:44you know through the phone yeah and once
20:46you have it like in your head matching
20:48that voice it's hard to like
20:49change it right yeah it's so weird um
20:53so they hit it off they become friends
20:55um he goes back to new york
20:57and then he calls annette and surprises
20:59her with a job offer
21:00oh so the pair become trading partners
21:04at santander bank in madrid and we're
21:07tasked with making the relatively new
21:09bank one of the top ten in the emerging
21:11markets
21:12the places they get to go to are so
21:14crazy like coachella madrid
21:16she just gets to go live in madrid um so
21:19this was another big step up for annette
21:21because
21:21now she's a big time trader um so you
21:24queue up like the
21:25early 90s montage of wall street office
21:27life i can picture the big clothes the
21:29shoulder pads
21:30yes fax machines
21:33yes phones with cords remember ringing
21:36off the hook
21:37there's probably like cocaine involved
21:39everywhere
21:41yeah schmoozy parties you get it um
21:44so annette and jamie are on the phones
21:46constantly from 10 a.m
21:48to 11 p.m is their work day
21:51making deals and monitoring the markets
21:52in london and new york i just can't
21:54picture that life like it just can't
21:55intense
21:56uh there's a picture of the two of them
21:58and their computers are like right next
21:59to each other and they both have two
22:01corded phones held to each ear
22:04with like these concentrated looks on
22:06their face like they're each holding two
22:08phones oh my god no
22:09yeah uh but the pair become very
22:11successful
22:12they're making millions of dollars um
22:15well deals i'm not sure if they made
22:16millions of dollars i'm sure they made a
22:18lot of money
22:19um and they do they get their bank um
22:22into the top five in the emerging
22:23markets wow
22:24so they're doing a great job and pachi
22:26was still doing his thing in chile and
22:28he and annette would talk on the phone
22:29twice a day
22:30to fill each other in on their days uh
22:33they missed each other obviously
22:35and decided that poshjay was done with
22:37his or when he was done with his
22:38two-year assignment
22:40they were going to make a real effort to
22:41be stationed in the same place
22:43yeah hello but plans changed once again
22:47when apostate called annette to tell her
22:50he had been offered an amazing job in
22:52vietnam
22:53ing bank had tasked him with opening up
22:56two new branches in vietnam
22:58which at the time um they called them
23:01like a virgin territory so it's not like
23:03super developed yet
23:04so they were working for the same bank
23:06company but like in different
23:07countries she ended up she was they were
23:11working for the same bank until she got
23:12that job offer from
23:14jamie i see okay but yeah so they were
23:17working for
23:17ing bank together for a while and poche
23:20stayed with them
23:21and now he's going to vietnam um so he
23:24has to
23:25like build two branches there from
23:26scratch um
23:28well not him personally
23:31he's probably got soft hands he said
23:34he'd already been
23:35or he'd always been interested in
23:36vietnam so and he was like super excited
23:38for the opportunity
23:40and if he did well he would possibly
23:41become the general manager
23:44so in 1992 poshj moved to
23:48ho chi minh city to begin work there on
23:50the
23:51two branches and annette and poshj began
23:54having struggles with their work not
23:57wanting to pay for the travel costs of
23:59the pair flying to see each other
24:00they were like well those privileges are
24:02reserved for married couples
24:04so oh okay even though they've been
24:06together at that point for like 13 years
24:09um it wasn't really something that they
24:11had an issue with in the past but
24:13it was one of the many reasons the
24:15couple was finally working towards
24:17like making a plan to get married yeah
24:20but every time they made plans to see
24:22each other life would get in the way and
24:23their plans kept getting pushed back
24:25further and further
24:26until it would be five months until they
24:28could see each other again
24:30which was the longest they had ever gone
24:32in the 13 years that they had been
24:33together
24:34oh that's sad yeah and they're in their
24:36their 30s now
24:38um during their time apart annette
24:39attended a friend's wedding and she was
24:41handed
24:41the bride's bouquet at the reception and
24:44everyone cheered for her knowing she was
24:45finally gonna go
24:46settle down so in november annette was
24:49flying to vietnam to visit her love and
24:51to celebrate the opening of the new ing
24:53bank
24:54he had been working so hard on posture
24:57had also
24:58made plans for them to visit a beautiful
25:00beach resort while she was there
25:02love it she flew into ho chi minh city
25:04on november 13th
25:06and the very next morning they were to
25:08take another flight
25:09over the vietnam jungle to the natrang
25:11airport to get to the resort located on
25:14vietnam's southern coast all right here
25:16we go
25:18just let me dab this prepared
25:23and it was not exactly jazz to be taking
25:26another flight while she was still so
25:27groggy and jet lagged
25:28yeah um but posh jay's uh he promised
25:31that the short flight would be worth it
25:34so the pair get up at 5am the next
25:37morning
25:38and make their way to the airport where
25:40annette sees the plane they're gonna be
25:42boarding and she stops dead in her
25:43tracks oh my god
25:44and she's like there's no way i'm
25:46getting on that
25:48so she's extremely claustrophobic and
25:50the plane that they were looking at was
25:52very small
25:54they're playing which is kind of funny
25:56because just this morning we were
25:57talking about
25:58like how funny i actually brought up
26:01this situ
26:02the topic of being in small planes
26:05this morning and here we are
26:08i had no idea what you were doing i know
26:10i was thinking about that i was like
26:11we're gonna be talking about this later
26:14oh we're so weird i knew
26:18so the plane um a flight 474
26:21it's a it's a 16 year old soviet maid
26:24i don't know how to say this yakulov
26:26yuck it's very so
26:28russian we believe you uh with it's only
26:31got a max
26:32a capacity of 32 passengers oh my gosh
26:35be small so apache knew this
26:38and had already prepared his arguments
26:42he's like no no no no he's like dragging
26:44her to this point
26:45oh he's dying to see her yes he's like
26:48if
26:48they if we don't take the plane we have
26:51to take a car
26:52and it will take days to get through the
26:54dense jungle
26:55and some of the roads might not even be
26:57passable and by the time we get there
26:58we're going to have to turn around and
26:59go back
27:00and so and then he's like and the flight
27:04is
27:04it's 20 minutes it's only 20 minutes
27:06okay so with a little more coaxing
27:08annette
27:09steals herself and she climbs the steps
27:11into the rear entrance of the plane
27:14once inside her head almost brushed the
27:16ceiling of the plane
27:17and she immediately began to panic
27:20turning around
27:21and running into posh day and she began
27:23to beat her
27:24her uh fists against his chest and she's
27:27like crying and she's oh my god she's
27:28always new
27:29yeah and he's like grabbing her by the
27:31arms and saying like you can do it like
27:33i know you can
27:34oh that's so hard he said you have to
27:36for me for us it's only 20 minutes
27:38so he was on the plane yeah
27:42so with that annette calmed down and
27:45turned around to find her seat it's a
27:48single isle plane
27:49and there's only 15 rows of seats and
27:51annette was seated in the
27:53uh sorry in the i'll see oh yeah sorry
27:56she's she's seated on the aisle in the
27:58third row and posh is right
28:00next to her her long legs were cramped
28:04with her knees touching the back of the
28:05seat in front of her
28:07and she could touch the ceiling seated
28:10without straightening her arm
28:12so it's like really small it sounds
28:14terrible yeah the flight attendant saw
28:16that annette was clearly struggling
28:18and didn't make her fasten her seat belt
28:20like everybody else
28:22including poche she said she couldn't
28:24handle being restrained on top of the
28:26severe claustrophobia she was already
28:28dealing with
28:29yeah after the rest of the flight checks
28:31were done flight 474 was ready for
28:33takeoff with 25 passengers and six crew
28:36members
28:37oh wow annette did her best to focus on
28:40literally anything but the time passing
28:42but after 20 minutes with no discernible
28:44changes in the flight path
28:46anna asked the flight attendant why they
28:48were not descending it
28:49the woman cheerfully answered that the
28:51flight was 55 minutes
28:53and they still had about a half hour
28:55left he's a liar
28:58at this point posie stopped making eye
29:01contact
29:02he's like oh snap here here we go and
29:04tried to disappear into his seat
29:06as and it probably turned around and
29:08cooked him with a death stare
29:10oh yeah and he guiltily told her it was
29:12the only way to get her on the plane
29:16which was probably true but did not help
29:18the anger and betrayal annette was
29:20feeling
29:21so many emotions and so little time i'm
29:23already stressed out i know
29:25so she seeds for another 29 minutes
29:28realizing they were almost there 49
29:31minutes
29:31out of 55. so close that's so
29:35sad but then the plane suddenly drops
29:39dramatically like your butt is in your
29:41stomach and your stomach is in your
29:42mouth like that
29:43like that like froggy ride where it just
29:45like drops straight down yeah
29:47no posh turns to a net and worriedly
29:50says
29:51this i don't like annette replies
29:56of course a shitty little toy plane like
29:57this drops it's just an air pocket like
30:01she's like i [ __ ] told all y'all
30:03she's so pissed like it's a shitty
30:04little plane of course it drops
30:06oh my gosh i would be that way too i'd
30:08be like i told you stupid [ __ ]
30:10this is terrifying i know she's like
30:11it's an air pocket like whatever
30:13but then she can see that like he's
30:15scared
30:16and then the plane drops again oh my god
30:19no and this time
30:20even further than before oh my god and
30:22everyone starts screaming you're killing
30:24me
30:25pasta and annette grab for each other's
30:27hands
30:28and squeeze tight as annette hears the
30:30roar of the engines
30:31accelerating and then her world goes
30:34black
30:36do you wanna take a little break
30:38[Music]
30:47and we're back hello hey um
30:50if you heard any dog whining in in the
30:53previous
30:54time we've been here it's roscoe yeah we
30:56got we got roscoe we got it from here
30:59roscoe's here today we tried this method
31:01of
31:02locking him out um he wasn't having it
31:04it was too sad
31:05yeah he was whining so now he's in here
31:07with us so you'll probably hear him
31:08chewing on things
31:10yeah so forgive roscoe and us but you'll
31:13love him he's so cute yeah it's okay
31:14because he's a dog yeah you just can't
31:16be man
31:17all right so when we left
31:21oh yeah back to this terrible thing we
31:23were in a scary part
31:24yeah they're holding hands that's what
31:26got me yes the engine
31:27she can hear the roar of the engines
31:30and they squeeze hands and then the
31:33world her world goes black
31:35what the passengers of flight 474 didn't
31:38know was that they were heading towards
31:40a tropical storm called forest
31:42like its name was foreign i was really
31:44confused i had to like really read about
31:46that i was like
31:46it was a tropical forest storm what
31:51um yes okay so that's its name tropical
31:54storm
31:55um so forest is a blowing and a weason
31:58as
31:58vietnam flight 474 nears the no trung
32:02airport runway and begins to descend
32:05but the rough weather conditions push
32:08the plane
32:093.7 miles or 6 kilometers off course
32:12and the plane descends below a safe
32:15altitude
32:16the pilot struggles to control the
32:18aircraft but sadly fails
32:21the sudden drop in altitude causes the
32:23plane to hit the top of a mountain
32:25like a ridge but it doesn't crash yet
32:28and the plane impacts the trees at 300
32:31miles per hour
32:33yikes ripping off one of the wings
32:36oh my gosh this reminds me of like the
32:38andes
32:39plain disaster that i did she actually
32:42talks about that
32:43oh gosh okay here we go full circle here
32:46i know
32:46like oh there's always all these weird
32:47connections there is uh
32:49i'm surprised no one talked about
32:51marilyn monroe she feels like she shows
32:53up in every other thing we do
32:55that's true okay so they hit these trees
32:58at 300 miles per hour
33:00it rips off a wing and it's this impact
33:02that is believed to have knocked a net
33:04unconscious the loss of one of the wings
33:07propels the craft forward at an even
33:10faster speed as it rockets towards the
33:13neighboring mountain the plane then
33:15crashes into the mountain
33:17and the impact flips it upside down and
33:20breaks it into three pieces oh my gosh
33:23the cockpit the remaining wing and the
33:25fuselage
33:27the wreckage was located 19 miles from
33:29not trang
33:30and 10 miles away from the closest
33:32village
33:33near the top of a mountain in the dense
33:36jungle
33:37terrifying ah great
33:40amazingly though annette survived the
33:42crash
33:43obviously that's why we're here uh after
33:47blacking out the next thing she
33:48remembered
33:49was waking up to the clamorous sounds of
33:52the jungle
33:53and when she opened her eyes she could
33:54see green vegetation coming in through a
33:57large hole in the fuselage
33:58okay she could see the cockpit had been
34:01torn off
34:02and as she looked around everything
34:05seemed like
34:06eerily still oh like imagine the silence
34:10but also the loud sounds of the jungle
34:13and also she probably has rain in her
34:14ears i mean is she
34:16upside down still uh no she's not upside
34:20down i'll here i'll tell you okay
34:24uh she realized there was an enormous
34:26weight on her legs
34:28and saw that she was stuck under a seat
34:31that was being weighed down by a dead
34:34body
34:36and she begins frantically to try and
34:38push the seats off of her
34:40um and i'm sure her claustrophobia is
34:42probably kicking in again at this point
34:45i'm surprised like she wasn't in like a
34:46coma for a while or like
34:48you know what i mean yeah well i think
34:49she was probably knocked out for at
34:51least a couple hours i don't
34:52know oh really she doesn't know how long
34:54okay yeah i guess it's hard to
34:56tell right she just wakes up she's like
34:57just sounded like it was right away but
34:59yeah okay it would make sense if she was
35:00out for a bit
35:01yeah they don't say but i'm probably i'm
35:04guessing she's probably out for at least
35:05a couple hours
35:06okay um so she
35:10is she's unable to push the the seats
35:13off
35:13um at first and then she kind of panics
35:17um and she rips her legs out from under
35:20them
35:20but she cuts them open in the process of
35:22doing this ouch
35:24um and it's during the struggle that
35:26annette sees poor
35:27posture still in his seat that has been
35:30tipped backwards and he is deceased
35:33so sad oh god i can't even imagine
35:36seeing that
35:37she said when she looked at his face his
35:39lips had a sweet
35:40smile on them which i found to be very
35:43strange
35:44and maybe i don't know nice yeah that's
35:46either
35:47creepy or nice i don't know i don't i
35:49don't know how i feel about that i mean
35:51it's not
35:51coming from like a maniacal no but it's
35:54just like
35:54eerie i wonder what made him smile
35:57i mean i probably didn't make him smile
36:01he probably didn't do it himself right i
36:03don't know crash made him smile like
36:05you know manipulated his body i guess
36:08that's what i would think it's just like
36:10i haven't heard of other people like
36:12crash victims like dying with a smile on
36:14their face it's just interesting yeah
36:16that's very interesting
36:16i don't look at those faces i guess i
36:19don't either
36:20i don't tell anyone what do i know it
36:23just seemed
36:23weird um but nice uh maybe he saw that
36:26she lived and he was like yeah nice and
36:29then
36:29passed she's alive okay
36:33i don't know but seeing this
36:35understandably
36:36was very upsetting for annette and then
36:39she blacks out again
36:40oh yeah i mean i can't even oh the
36:42trauma
36:43and the next thing she remembers um
36:45she's sitting on the ground
36:46outside of the fuselage in an immense
36:49amount of pain
36:50okay so she somehow got out of the
36:52fuselage without even remembering like
36:54remembering how she got out of there
36:55fascinating
36:56yeah it's pretty i mean it like speaks
36:58to what your body is capable of doing
37:00without your brain like
37:01recording it wow that's intense
37:05yeah that's blowing my mind i know it's
37:06just like strictly autopilot
37:09yeah because it sees something so
37:11traumatizing
37:12fascinating like presses the skip button
37:14it's like your brain is so smart where
37:16it's like i'm gonna control your body
37:18to get out of here but i'm also gonna
37:21try and save you for
37:22some trauma and turn off your brain to
37:24remember this
37:25yeah that's so weird we're just going to
37:27get through this and it's going to be
37:29fine
37:29you won't remember you're welcome i
37:31wonder how long it took i wonder if she
37:33was just like crawling forever
37:34oh okay yeah cause she's also very
37:36injured you will find
37:38yeah okay so annette would later learn
37:41the thing that actually ended up saving
37:43her and condemning the rest were the
37:46seat belts they were wearing
37:48you'll remember that annette refused to
37:50wear hers
37:51right and i thought that was a huge
37:52no-no oddly it saved her life
37:55oh snap right because the plane was
37:58older
37:58um it still had seat belts that went
38:00across your chest like in a car
38:03um oh on an airplane okay yeah yeah okay
38:05i think they just do
38:06like lap belts right yeah yeah um
38:09so i wonder if like these kinds of
38:11deaths had something
38:13to do with the change because when the
38:16plane hit the first ridge
38:18so this is how this is what they think
38:20happened to net so the plane hits the
38:22first ridge
38:23of trees and she likely went flying out
38:25of her seat because she wasn't wearing a
38:27seatbelt
38:28um and in her words tumbled around in
38:30the cabin like a lonely piece of laundry
38:32in a dryer oh my god
38:34she's just like getting you know flung
38:36around in the cabin
38:37like she's nothing yeah and at some
38:39point she must have slid under a seat
38:42legs first and gotten stuck there before
38:44the second
38:45impact which also might have saved her
38:47life interesting
38:48many others including poche were killed
38:50after the violent impact caused their
38:52ribs to be crushed into their lungs
38:55i see oh no yeah
38:58i don't like imagining that yes because
39:01the seat belt i think it said like it
39:02could
39:03withstand like 300 or 3000 pounds of
39:05force or something like that so it just
39:07like
39:07crushes your it just your body gives
39:10before the belt does
39:11yeah oh snaps oh brutal
39:14gross got the things you don't even
39:16think about right you don't think about
39:18that
39:19so when annette comes to outside of the
39:22fuselage uh she's in so much pain she
39:24can barely move
39:25and she begins to take stock of her
39:27injuries
39:28and i recommend you stop eating for this
39:31next part if anyone
39:32is it's gonna be gross creepy
39:36okay so the first thing she noticed uh
39:38was that the wraparound skirt she was
39:40wearing had been ripped off
39:41and she's just sitting there in her
39:42underwear which would also be jarring
39:44like how why am i half naked right now
39:46like how did that happen
39:47that's extra vulnerability right um as
39:50she looked at her bare legs
39:52she saw that there was a gaping wound on
39:54her left
39:55knee and her right ankle had basically
39:58had the sh the skin just shorn off okay
40:02a little higher up on her shin was the
40:05worst injury of all
40:06a compound fracture she could see four
40:10inches of bluish bone
40:12sticking through her flesh on her leg
40:15no no no i can't deal with compound
40:18fractures that's like a thing for me
40:20i've talked about the basketball player
40:21i've seen his leg break and it's
40:23such a thing for me i saw that on
40:25television and he was wearing a sock and
40:27i'm traumatized by it it just
40:29can't just to see your own like as sharp
40:32as
40:32object but it's your bones kid
40:38it's hard it's rough i'm uncomfortable
40:40yes okay
40:41yuck seeing this startled her
40:44and she instinctually jerked back which
40:48caused a new agony to
40:49blossom from her hips the gasp she let
40:53out from the pain
40:54also made her realize the immense pain
40:56in her lungs and chest
40:58allowing her to only take shallow
41:00breaths
41:01she would later find that one of her
41:04lungs had collapsed yikes
41:06she also had two large cuts near her
41:09right elbow so she just sits there
41:13and while trying to gather herself she
41:15realizes she isn't alone
41:17she can hear the moaning of other
41:19passengers stop it shut up right now
41:21no still alarm no no i didn't think
41:25no okay abby you're doing this to me
41:28again
41:29i'm sorry i'm not sorry i'm sorry
41:34okay so she can she can hear them inside
41:36of the wrecked fuselage
41:38and as she looks around she sees several
41:40corpses
41:41and a young vietnamese girl about 10
41:43feet away
41:44also moaning in pain from unseen
41:46injuries
41:48annette looks in the other direction and
41:50realizes she is seated
41:51right next to a vietnamese man who is
41:53still also alive
41:56he begins speaking to her in english and
41:58tells her not to worry
42:00and that someone would comfort them oh
42:01my god stop he's
42:03comforting her oh my gosh
42:06uh he saw her exposed and injured legs
42:08and took a pair of polyester suit pants
42:10out of his suitcase
42:12he was amazingly still holding on to
42:15and gave them to her wow so he was able
42:17to move a little
42:19yeah oh my gosh okay uh and
42:22they i think the vietnamese girl also
42:23had her bag with her and so did annette
42:25like they all somehow had their bags
42:27like they had just
42:28clung to their like possessions yeah um
42:31which is kind of wild like i don't know
42:33if i would have done like
42:35had the forethought to grab my purse on
42:37the way out right
42:38like i don't know um
42:42so he gives him her these pants and she
42:45says like a million thank yous and she
42:47tries to pull the pants on over her
42:48you know ruined legs bit by bit she was
42:52able to pull them up until she got to
42:53her
42:54butt which felt broken beyond belief
42:57oh she said the bones there felt crushed
43:00ew no but she still managed to get the
43:02pants on
43:04citing modesty as her motivator oh my
43:06god
43:07naked out here yeah i didn't want to
43:09either
43:10i don't know if my modesty would
43:12outweigh the pain in that situation that
43:13i'm like true
43:14to deal with my busted up ass cheeks
43:15like yeah i mean if i'm still
43:17wearing underwear it's just like i'm
43:18[ __ ] human deal with it it's a leg
43:20it's a leg but we
43:24have my leg but i guess it is the jungle
43:25you probably want to be covered
43:27because like bugs and bugs and animals
43:29and cold or
43:30yeah hot or i don't know but yeah yeah
43:33and you i guess yeah you'd want to cover
43:35up your wounds
43:36oh it's still sure it's sweaty if it's
43:39hot
43:39it is hot i mean they're in the jungle
43:41it's awful
43:42very humid uh so the man next to annette
43:46tells her he is a very important man and
43:49that someone would be coming for him
43:51this comforts her at first but over the
43:53next few hours she
43:55hears fewer and fewer sounds from the
43:57survivors and she can see the man next
43:59to her growing weaker
44:00oh no she begs him to hold on
44:03and not to leave her there alone but he
44:06too eventually succumbs to his injuries
44:08and annette watches him die that is
44:11wild and i don't want to watch somebody
44:13die in my arms
44:15like a stranger but you're like together
44:17by this terrible event
44:19like right like you would be like bonded
44:21beyond belief in a matter of an
44:22instant no like in an intimate like way
44:25like it's just so crazy and like you're
44:27literally watching these last moments
44:29and you're you're the only person for
44:31them
44:31and it's like something you can never i
44:34mean that's just mind-boggling
44:35oh so and also traumatic like it doesn't
44:38matter if it's a stranger it's
44:39it's a human experience of just like
44:41absolute heartbreak
44:42yeah you oh sad yeah it's
44:46and now she realizes she's completely
44:48alone in the jungle
44:49imagine the am the mounting fear coming
44:52over her
44:53the terror like like as like as you
44:56early said like getting quieter like
45:00can't kill me so annette marks the
45:04time by the dead man's watch and waits
45:06for help to come
45:07trying to focus on anything but the
45:09thought of her dead fiance like feet
45:11away
45:12she said she would shut down any
45:14thoughts of him because she knew she
45:16wouldn't be able to bear it and she
45:17needed to survive
45:19she knew crying would make her thirsty
45:21and she didn't have water yeah and she's
45:22sort of sweating and all that
45:24yeah i'm sure so like just so much more
45:27just like gotta compartmentalize
45:30so instead she would concentrate on the
45:32beauty of the jungle
45:33and the way the sun hit the green leaves
45:35above her
45:37she's like really into nature like
45:39that's how she started kind of getting
45:40out of this
45:41mentally you almost have to like go into
45:43like a meditative state
45:44yeah she talked about that she talked
45:46about yoga breathing yeah
45:47which she kind of had to do with a
45:49collapsed lung yeah it's hard to breathe
45:52uh she stayed awake for as long as she
45:55could and she contemplated smoking the
45:57cigarette she had on her
45:59nice but ultimately decided now would be
46:02the perfect time to quit
46:03and went to sleep instead i'm going to
46:06take advantage of this situation
46:08yeah i don't think the collapsed lung
46:10would have appreciated it
46:11yeah annette woke up the next morning
46:14in the same nightmare she went to sleep
46:16in oh can you imagine like hoping that
46:18was all a nightmare and then you wake up
46:20and it's
46:20a reality and it's still happening it's
46:22not over yet they didn't find you
46:24i can't even handle it okay so
46:28she wakes up dying of thirst her feet
46:31are badly swollen
46:33and she's covered in leeches ew
46:36michael that's disgusting that's so
46:41disturbing toilet party
46:42just now uh and god knows what other
46:45kind of bugs and
46:46creepy crawly she's covered in insect
46:47bites ew
46:49they're like trying to eat her alive
46:52but at least she was in the jungle
46:53during the rainy season because soon it
46:55started to downpour
46:57and annette was able to tip her head
46:58back and drink oh that might have feel
47:00nice too
47:01yeah a little a little refreshing she
47:04decided
47:05she had about a week before she was
47:07going to die out there
47:08or crawl into the jungle and so she
47:11continued to wait
47:13it was saturday now and they were
47:15expected back on wednesday
47:17so annette knew that if they hadn't been
47:18heard from by wednesday
47:20someone would raise the alarm if they
47:21hadn't already the day passes with no
47:25sign of rescue
47:26and she sleeps once again out in the
47:28open jungle
47:30in her book she doesn't really talk
47:31about being that terrified just sitting
47:33there
47:34helpless and injured where like any
47:36number of predators could come finish
47:37well i'd be thinking of like large
47:39snakes and tigers and [ __ ]
47:41immediately i'd be like i'm gonna get
47:42eight yeah ate up
47:45easily you're an injured you're injured
47:48yeah
47:48you can't move ugh and yeah
47:51there's no chance for you fighting
47:52anything off and like there's other
47:54bodies too so maybe they're like
47:56drawing them smelling that are they like
47:58sharks and smells
47:59good you would think terrifying
48:02but maybe she's too hurt to care i don't
48:03know yeah
48:05okay so annette wakes up on the third
48:08day
48:08wow to an awful putrid smell
48:12and i'm sorry this is going to be gross
48:13again she looks over at the dead man
48:16beside her
48:17and sees a white maggot crawling out of
48:20his half
48:21open eyelid she looks at his body and
48:25horror and she realizes he is covered
48:27with them
48:28oh my god and obviously one of the
48:30sources of the smell
48:31i mean they're they're decomposing
48:33quickly because they're in the heat
48:35and constant moisture in the jungle very
48:38quickly very gross
48:40so annette decides she needs to move
48:42away from there yeah
48:44and begins to agonizingly drag her body
48:47away using her elbows which one of them
48:50has a gaping open wound yeah
48:52but she manages uh to move further
48:54downhill where the other detached
48:56wing of the plane was laying and settles
48:59in a study a sunny clearing
49:02she had grabbed the vietnamese girl her
49:04bag when she moved past
49:06and uh
49:09and found a blue plastic rain poncho
49:13which she was able to put on and it like
49:15kept her dry
49:16oh from the downpour and another day
49:19passes with no rescue
49:21terrible when she wakes up on the fourth
49:24day
49:24she's extremely groggy and she's thirsty
49:27and she looks over at the detached
49:29plane wing and notices some foam
49:31insulation coming from within it
49:34annette grabs as many chunks of it as
49:36she can and she waits for it to rain
49:38when it does she uses the insulation as
49:40sponges and she rings out all the water
49:43they collected into her mouth
49:44and she said it was the best water she
49:46had ever tasted
49:48smart yeah i was kind of thinking she
49:50would like
49:52collect water using the poncho but that
49:54would be smart too
49:56there was a few things that she did like
49:58she made a joke she's like i was i'm a
50:00city girl like i don't know what i'm
50:01doing out here
50:02yeah like you don't know survival tips
50:03like yeah because she was talking about
50:05smoking a cigarette because she had a
50:06lighter
50:07and she's like what am i gonna do light
50:08a fire i'm like yes
50:12quite a fire maybe someone will see
50:14smoke a signal fire
50:17but she's like everything's soggy out
50:18here and yeah
50:20i'll just wait
50:21[Laughter]
50:23but yeah that was kind of funny i was
50:25like oh she had some stuff but she just
50:27didn't
50:27know what to do yeah okay
50:31so the day continues as the ones had
50:34before
50:35with no rescue in sight back at home
50:38everyone had learned of the missing
50:40flight
50:41and the only person who seemed
50:43determined that annette had survived was
50:45her close friend and training partner
50:47jamie
50:47interesting why would she just think she
50:50okay
50:51right i it is interesting that he like
50:53he refuses to believe she was gone and
50:55became angry when people talked about
50:56her in the past tense
50:58fascinating and he would become integral
51:01in her rescue
51:02ah he felt something he knew something
51:04he knew something there yeah
51:05instantly he's just like she's alive
51:07yeah it's kind of crazy
51:09annette spent day five in the jungle
51:11counting out the time before she could
51:13squeeze another bit of insulation full
51:15of water into her mouth
51:16she did this every three hours okay good
51:19she also examined her hands which had
51:21now become severely
51:23uh swollen um as her feet had previously
51:26her toes were now turning black and uh
51:29she thought about the frostbitten toes
51:31of the survivors of the andes disaster
51:33okay that's where she starts thinking
51:34yeah
51:36and she's like looking around and she's
51:37like don't worry i'm not going to eat
51:38anyone like because that's not going to
51:40happen
51:41i didn't wonder that like she literally
51:43says it like i'm not eating anyone
51:46no that would be a decision i wouldn't
51:48make i wouldn't do that
51:50no i think in the andes it's different
51:52because the situation is just so
51:54different
51:55yeah and it's cold it's cold where
51:57people are like more like preserved
51:59oh gross but like they weren't in the
52:01jungle where everything just
52:02putrefies so quickly it smells so bad
52:06yeah different situation yeah but
52:09so funny how that connected yeah um
52:13so she annette thinks about her family
52:16and her friends
52:17to keep her going and she pointedly
52:18tries not to think of poche
52:21and then the day passes without rescue
52:23once again
52:24oh my god on the sixth day annette wakes
52:27up and realizes
52:28she needs to use the bathroom oh this
52:31whole time
52:32i know i was like well i guess she's
52:33only been drinking like a little bit and
52:35not eating so
52:36it's only just now becoming a problem
52:38okay like all of her water is probably
52:40just being absorbed
52:41in her body she's got nothing left over
52:43to pee out
52:44um so this woman this poor woman refuses
52:48to go in her pants she says i will not
52:50be painting my pants
52:51okay she's still got the pants on she
52:52doesn't want to pee them no and instead
52:55drags herself back uphill and goes
52:57through the excruciating
52:58process of taking off her borrowed pants
53:00oh my gosh
53:01she does this and then she sees she's
53:05she sees that she has gotten her [ __ ]
53:08period
53:09no [ __ ] that's come on the literal
53:12cherry on top ah gosh of course like the
53:16worst
53:17please am i not bleeding enough for you
53:19mother nature like
53:20can i be enough jesus women being a
53:23woman
53:24is sucky sometimes i know although she
53:26probably wouldn't feel the cramps
53:28you know yeah that'd probably be like
53:29the scale of it would be nothing maybe
53:31nothing she's like i didn't even realize
53:32i got it
53:33oh my gosh oh it's terrible so she
53:36manages to relieve herself and she gets
53:38her pants back on before dragging
53:39back herself back to the her spot and
53:42then she collapses completely exhausted
53:44yeah dude that would take so much energy
53:47it was after this that annette started
53:48having these out of body experiences
53:50yes so blood loss shock and deprivation
53:54of water and food all
53:55probably factored into this yeah but
53:57annette describes the experience as
53:59beautiful like she said that she felt
54:02like she was one with nature
54:04yes and she felt immense love and peace
54:07when she was in the state she said that
54:10the pain left her and she was
54:11able to cope with the death around her
54:14seeing it as part of the circle of life
54:16on the path to rebirth so she's dealing
54:19with this like way better than i would
54:21have
54:22oh for it's just like one with nature
54:24and everything is beautiful
54:27that'd be amazing though i mean that
54:29sounds nice
54:30yeah on the seventh day oh gosh
54:34annette is kind of in and out of
54:35consciousness she's very lightheaded and
54:38all of the colors around here
54:40her appear super vibrant and bright she
54:43describes a feeling of peace and
54:44acceptance as she surrenders herself
54:47to the universe and listens to the
54:49sounds of the jungle
54:50oh but she gets snapped back to reality
54:53when she hears a branch break
54:56feels scary she looks around to where
54:58the sound came from
54:59and sees a man okay it's hard for her
55:02eyes to focus
55:03but she sees a man across the ravine
55:05from her and he's wearing bright orange
55:08like official bright orange like traffic
55:11orange yeah okay
55:12his hood is up and he's staring right at
55:15her
55:16her voice comes out like a croak but she
55:18tries to call
55:19to him anyway and she's like hello
55:22oh my god can you hear me like can you
55:24help me help me yeah over and over but
55:26he does nothing but stare
55:28what she's completely out of zen mode
55:30now
55:31and starts cursing at this guy in every
55:33language she can think of
55:34and she knows quite a few it's pretty
55:36impressive she's like okay forget this
55:37piece
55:38you and you with german
55:42dutch and english and spanish um
55:45so but he just continues to stare is he
55:48like in shock or something
55:50i'll i'm not gonna tell you okay okay
55:54uh she said he stared at her without
55:56blinking for hours
55:58hours and then was suddenly gone as
56:00quickly as he appeared
56:01okay she's [ __ ] hallucinating you're
56:03tricking me annette told herself she
56:05must have hallucinated him
56:06that's what he said uh that was the next
56:09line yeah so she thinks
56:10oh that's sad she's like maybe i must
56:12have hallucinated and then she just
56:14falls asleep
56:16someone at the door sounds like it
56:21[Music]
56:28and we're back again ah alrighty
56:31we uh we got a printer delivered so
56:34we're happy about that
56:35um michael's nerding out yeah he's
56:37excited to set that up later
56:39it's hard to do a podcast in the early
56:41morning hours apparently yeah that's
56:43what we get for
56:44like trying to record early is we're
56:45constantly interrupted i know we were
56:47like on her [ __ ] it doesn't matter
56:49okay all right so she's like i must have
56:52hallucinated him
56:53right and she falls asleep okay when she
56:56wakes up on the eighth day
56:58she's really groggy but she remembers
57:00the man in orange from the day before
57:02and she looks around to see if she can
57:04spot him again and she does
57:07he is crouching aways from her and once
57:10again
57:11is just staring at her i don't like this
57:13why aren't you helping her if you're
57:14real
57:15right he's just watching she decides
57:18she's going to watch him too
57:19and see all she can do she's like i'll
57:22stare at you back
57:24and she sees that he has black hair uh
57:26brown eyes tan
57:27skin and she describes his face as
57:29beautiful
57:30i think she thinks everything's
57:31beautiful at this moment uh-huh she
57:33seems to
57:33she's like every nature is beautiful
57:36that man is beautiful
57:37it probably was beautiful yeah after
57:38hers was gorgeous
57:40she assumes he must be native to the
57:44area but can't fathom why he won't speak
57:46to her or come closer
57:47she yells at him again with no results a
57:50few hours pass and he vanishes again
57:53trusting annette passes in and out of
57:55reality for the rest of the day
57:57she knew she was dying and she welcomed
57:59it she was ready
58:01please be done with me now like eight
58:03days come on
58:05gosh and then in the afternoon she once
58:08again heard branches snapping but this
58:10time
58:11the sound of several male voices
58:13followed okay
58:14she had finally been found yay
58:18so a group of vietnamese men come
58:21walking out of the jungle
58:22and one man approached her with a flight
58:23roster and gestured for her to point at
58:26her name
58:27she did and was rewarded by the sip of
58:29the most refreshing water she had ever
58:31tasted nice
58:33more men came with a sheet of canvas
58:36material that she was moved on to
58:38and then both ends were tied to a long
58:41stick
58:42kind of like a hammock okay so and then
58:44there was one man on each end to carry
58:46her
58:47gotcha um because they they didn't come
58:50prepared
58:51for anyone to be alive i see they
58:54brought a lot of body bags
58:56i see yeah they weren't expecting her to
58:58have made it so they didn't have any
59:00kind of like stretch or anything i mean
59:01yeah can you imagine like
59:03i wouldn't think anyone survived either
59:04eight days later no no no
59:07um okay so they're carrying her away
59:09from the spot that she's been living for
59:10like the past eight days
59:12geez she could see the other men backing
59:14up the bodies from the plane
59:16and annette started to panic as she
59:17realized she was being taken away from
59:19posture
59:20no but one of them gave her another
59:23small sip of water which she said worked
59:25like valium
59:26and she kind of calmed down the men
59:29carrying her walked as carefully as they
59:31could through the thick
59:32jungle but even the smallest jostle
59:34would make a net cry out in pain
59:36the men carrying her took off their
59:38shoes to step even softer
59:40oh they're trying so hard i know like
59:42that's so nice
59:44in the jungle you're going barefoot yeah
59:47they make
59:47uh camp that night in the jungle and the
59:49men give annette small sips of water
59:52and laugh at her when she holds fingers
59:53to her lips in the gesture of smoking
59:56oh my gosh hilarious like a cigarette
59:58you guys got a cigarette i have your
1:00:00cigarettes
1:00:00they're like no silly white lady but
1:00:03also kind of sucky that they have to
1:00:05camp out in the jungle for a night right
1:00:06that she can't get out the first night
1:00:08yeah
1:00:09um it's not that they didn't have
1:00:10cigarettes on them like they were
1:00:12smoking
1:00:12oh they just weren't gonna give them
1:00:14right they're hurt it's probably not a
1:00:15good idea
1:00:16no they're like no you're half dead
1:00:18we're trying to save you
1:00:19come on so she spent the night once
1:00:23more in the jungle and the next day the
1:00:25men packed up
1:00:26and took her to a small village but the
1:00:28hospital there was not so much a
1:00:30hospital and more like a hut with a few
1:00:32medical supplies
1:00:34they're in a really rural area and this
1:00:36village can't be expected to have the
1:00:37resources to deal with
1:00:39her kind of injuries right very severe
1:00:41so annette is placed in a minivan
1:00:44and is moved again to the ho chi ray min
1:00:47or
1:00:47yeah sorry hospital in ho chi minh city
1:00:52so while being treated her parents and
1:00:54sister along with poshj's sister
1:00:56arrive in vietnam to see annette but the
1:00:59most surprising visitor
1:01:00was her trading partner jamie oh
1:01:04in her feeble state she says to him what
1:01:06the [ __ ] are you doing here
1:01:08it's like the last person you would
1:01:10think would visit you she's like who's
1:01:11minding the business
1:01:12[Laughter]
1:01:14he's like wow thanks
1:01:15[Music]
1:01:17she didn't know it at the time but jamie
1:01:19had already started traveling to vietnam
1:01:21before he even found out she was alive
1:01:23he just knew she wasn't dead
1:01:27and he said quote annette's father got
1:01:29angry when i promised him before i left
1:01:31i will bring your daughter back alive
1:01:33and he said you're an
1:01:34idiot and get real
1:01:38a way to rub it back in his face i
1:01:40always like trying to be like
1:01:42gallant and like i'll bring her back and
1:01:45he's like you're an idiot
1:01:46that's not funny that he does i know but
1:01:48then he does like what
1:01:50okay so when annette saw her mom she was
1:01:52finally allowed
1:01:54she finally allowed herself to break
1:01:55down and then she kind of blacked out
1:01:56again yeah
1:01:57jesus like oh like the first time you're
1:02:00letting yourself what a
1:02:01relief and like process like now you can
1:02:04feel
1:02:04those feelings you weren't letting
1:02:05yourself feel before
1:02:08annette's family was horrified by the
1:02:10conditions in the hospital
1:02:12and they feared she was going to lose
1:02:13her leg to gain green
1:02:16they begged the vietnamese government to
1:02:17allow a net to be transferred
1:02:19to a more modern private hospital in
1:02:21singapore and the request was approved
1:02:24annette had to be flown there which not
1:02:26go over well
1:02:27um no no
1:02:30her mother was allowed to travel with
1:02:32her and had to keep speaking to annette
1:02:34to keep her focused and awake
1:02:36even still they almost lost her on the
1:02:38way there
1:02:39so annette finally gets to the mount
1:02:41elizabeth hospital in singapore
1:02:43and begins to receive care and treatment
1:02:45for her many injuries which include
1:02:48a broken jaw hers was broken in half oh
1:02:51my gosh
1:02:52uh let's see 12 fractures in her hip
1:02:56two fractures in her leg many cuts and
1:02:59bruises
1:03:00along with malnutrition and dehydration
1:03:02yeah
1:03:03uh the latter would lead to the loss of
1:03:04one of her kidneys
1:03:07like i guess you can't go without water
1:03:08for that long and not have
1:03:10bad kidneys after that yeah um
1:03:13this is her next this is a little gross
1:03:16morning you again
1:03:17okay she almost lost her hands and feet
1:03:19to gain green
1:03:21but thankfully and disgustingly maggots
1:03:23were used to eat away all of the
1:03:25decaying flesh
1:03:26which slowed down the spread of the
1:03:28infection
1:03:29interesting i feel like i've heard of
1:03:31that i've heard of that before too and
1:03:32you're like
1:03:33that is so counter-intuitive disgusting
1:03:35and morbid
1:03:36what makes sense ew but it's like you're
1:03:38literally watching bugs eating your leg
1:03:40eating
1:03:42just the dead parts just the tattoos you
1:03:45though and bugs ew yeah i hate
1:03:48i guess they make me like they would be
1:03:50just even the word maggot is so gross
1:03:52there would be so many of them too so
1:03:54there would be like a bunch of like
1:03:55crawly things
1:03:59uh even worse the deep wounds had to be
1:04:02scraped clean several times a day oh
1:04:06no i can't it makes me shudder
1:04:10just like oh don't yeah i don't like
1:04:13that word nope i don't like that at all
1:04:15annette was very anxious and panicky in
1:04:18the hospital
1:04:19duh and the thing that calmed her the
1:04:21most was holding a bottle of water
1:04:24so that she could take sips from it and
1:04:26playing tetris on a game boy her sister
1:04:28bought her
1:04:28oh i love tetris on gameboy right i
1:04:31remember that was the [ __ ]
1:04:32yeah i remember we i played it so much
1:04:34on that vegas road trip that i was
1:04:36literally dreaming tetris
1:04:39i was like i gotta stop playing tetris
1:04:42that's a little too much
1:04:42that's funny so after a couple weeks in
1:04:45singapore
1:04:46annette was stable enough to be
1:04:48transferred to a dutch hospital
1:04:50she had to fly again strapped to a
1:04:52gurney which made
1:04:54her panic but jamie stayed with her the
1:04:56whole flight and got her through it
1:04:59back in her home country annette had
1:05:01basically become a celebrity
1:05:03which was not something that she wanted
1:05:06she just wanted everything to go back to
1:05:07normal
1:05:09she had to attend poshy's funeral on a
1:05:12stretcher after being transported in an
1:05:14ambulance oh my gosh the funeral was at
1:05:17an old church
1:05:18and annette couldn't help but feel like
1:05:20she was attending her own
1:05:22like macabre wedding as the medical
1:05:24attendants wheeled her
1:05:25down the aisle to push his coffin at the
1:05:27altar oh my god what an experience
1:05:31right jesus the way she described it i
1:05:33was like oh that is so eerie
1:05:35that is so eerie and kind of creepy and
1:05:39sad gray is so sad uh she said in her
1:05:42book that
1:05:43uh poche's parents or willem as they
1:05:45knew him were
1:05:46kind of cold to her after the accident
1:05:49and they didn't allow her to be included
1:05:51in many of
1:05:52like his affairs after that why i know
1:05:55like
1:05:56i never actually got married pretty much
1:05:58like even though they were together for
1:05:5913 years
1:06:00right like her parents were like just
1:06:02devastated by
1:06:04his death like they loved him so much
1:06:05and like um
1:06:07his mom just like well you know people
1:06:09react to grief differently and i guess
1:06:11she just like kind of
1:06:12i don't know was kind of cold and shut
1:06:14down about it and yeah
1:06:16that was really hard for net that sucks
1:06:18i know it's like after all that can we
1:06:19just be nice to me tyler
1:06:22um she was allowed to pick some of the
1:06:23music for the funeral
1:06:25one of his favorite songs which was with
1:06:28or without you by you two
1:06:29oh you don't even know i know
1:06:32but you joe i know you know but yeah i
1:06:35love that song me and chad
1:06:36love you too oh we're so nerd out on it
1:06:39i was like oh sean is going to love that
1:06:40song
1:06:41one of the classics uh but even sadder
1:06:44still was the fact that the vietnamese
1:06:46authorities had made a mistake in the
1:06:48identification and return of poshe's
1:06:50body
1:06:51which had actually been sent to a family
1:06:54in britain
1:06:55are you not kidding
1:06:58there can be no break
1:07:01for this woman i know or this journey
1:07:05it's just one thing after another and
1:07:08this is just so
1:07:09awful and like extra on top of
1:07:11everything else
1:07:12so like the the the body that she was
1:07:15with wasn't even his
1:07:16right oh my friends carried a different
1:07:20man to
1:07:20his grave can you imagine the jarring
1:07:22mental
1:07:24oh like you thought you had this like
1:07:25connection you think he's there and then
1:07:27you find out it was literally a
1:07:28different person
1:07:30i'm so angry it's so and it's like
1:07:33the guy that they mixed him up with had
1:07:35like light hair and he had dark hair so
1:07:37it's like
1:07:38oh but they so they didn't know i don't
1:07:40know it's just it got it
1:07:42they they said it was a mistake like
1:07:44they weren't like they said that
1:07:45you know they weren't trying to be
1:07:47terrible but i mean yeah who like
1:07:49forcefully tries to like
1:07:51mistake bodies but like oh
1:07:54bomber mistakes so um
1:07:57the family discovered that they hadn't
1:08:00been sent the body of their son
1:08:02hamish emerson who had also
1:08:05perished on the flight with his wife and
1:08:07had instead been sent the body of willem
1:08:09vanderpaw aka
1:08:11or poshy right um so they had to exhume
1:08:16hamish emerson from the dutch
1:08:19grave to be sent to britain and they had
1:08:21to trade back remains
1:08:23learning that pasche's body had already
1:08:25been cremated oh
1:08:27that's sad no it's just extra
1:08:30awful oh my god it's so unsatisfying
1:08:34i know and it really just doesn't look
1:08:35good on the vietnamese like officials
1:08:37that handled the accident
1:08:39no like that should have been caught and
1:08:42neither did the fact that they passed a
1:08:43law specifically aimed at the victims of
1:08:45the crash and their relatives
1:08:47limiting the airline's liability to
1:08:49compensate foreigners
1:08:51they capped it at 20k now
1:08:54how terrible is that absolutely not
1:08:56that's lame
1:08:57that's so bad like twenty-two one dude
1:09:02um they also wanted to know or people
1:09:05also wanted to know why it took so long
1:09:07to find the crash site if it was only
1:09:08like 12 miles away from its destination
1:09:11right okay from annette's testimony and
1:09:14the position of some of the corpses
1:09:16more than just a net survived that crash
1:09:18and people argued that more could have
1:09:20been saved if they had been located
1:09:21quicker
1:09:22yeah annette would later learn that a
1:09:25search helicopter had been sent out to
1:09:27look for them
1:09:28carrying search personnel and doctors
1:09:31but sadly
1:09:32the helicopter would find the same fate
1:09:34as the the plane that they were looking
1:09:35for and it crashed
1:09:37killing all eight people on board get
1:09:42i'm speechless i can't i'm so angry at
1:09:44you for telling me the story
1:09:46sorry so mad at you
1:09:49i'm so mad at you for just layering it
1:09:53on top like were you ready for some more
1:09:55because here's some more
1:09:56you're so more terrible in this story oh
1:09:58we had the perfect rescue helicopter to
1:10:00come get you and then
1:10:01all of it all of them died god oh
1:10:04so brutal like more people died
1:10:09just so sad i'm never ever getting on a
1:10:11helicopter no now i'm terrified of that
1:10:13it's not happening
1:10:14so many people have died on helicopters
1:10:16yeah it's not chill
1:10:17ugh so annette recovered in the hospital
1:10:20and a few months later she was fit
1:10:21enough to return to work in madrid as a
1:10:24big time trader with jamie she wants to
1:10:26be back being a badass she just wants to
1:10:28go right back to it
1:10:29they continued to make money and jamie
1:10:31helped annette on flights as
1:10:32they traveled um often for their job she
1:10:35was always to be seated in the front row
1:10:37because she couldn't bear the seat
1:10:39in front of her to touch her legs yeah
1:10:42yeah she immediately got claustrophobic
1:10:43and flashed back to the corpse traps and
1:10:45or trapping her under the seat
1:10:47i'm surprised she went back on a plane
1:10:49in [ __ ] general
1:10:50like i know she was like i just have to
1:10:52like i have to travel for my job like i
1:10:54have to get over this
1:10:55oh my gosh that's rough yeah and like
1:10:57when the airline wouldn't do it she'd
1:10:59like be like well i was in a plane crash
1:11:01so
1:11:01and i clustered her book because the
1:11:03dead person was on top of me so give me
1:11:05the good seat
1:11:05yeah like oh jesus sorry i'm sorry jesus
1:11:08give me this good
1:11:09see jesus okay so
1:11:13that's pretty crazy that she still
1:11:14travels um yeah
1:11:16and when you know it annette and jamie
1:11:18actually end up falling for each other
1:11:20nope i knew it this whole time i was
1:11:21waiting for it i thought they were
1:11:22already having an affair but
1:11:24they weren't that's good yeah
1:11:27that's like a nice kind of like circle
1:11:29yeah they get hitched and they move
1:11:31to new york city so that they can still
1:11:33work but also have a family
1:11:35they have two children together the
1:11:37oldest a girl and the youngest a boy
1:11:39who would be diagnosed with autism early
1:11:41in his childhood
1:11:43i found i did find this part of the book
1:11:46to actually be like really interesting
1:11:47and
1:11:48it's heart-wrenching because you can see
1:11:50she just like talks about it a lot and
1:11:51like what she goes through with
1:11:52struggles of raising an autistic son in
1:11:54the 90s
1:11:55like yeah and upper class society like
1:11:59you know with people who don't always
1:12:01accept those who are different
1:12:03yeah but she also again like has this
1:12:05really beautiful way of looking at
1:12:06things and knowing that
1:12:08you just have to accept things as they
1:12:09are and just see the beauty in them and
1:12:11like to stop
1:12:12obsessing over your expectations her
1:12:14perspective on
1:12:15life after that would be
1:12:19so changed it really is and like she
1:12:22just talks about how you like have to
1:12:23live in the moment
1:12:24yeah and there's this quote in her book
1:12:26and she says
1:12:27there is beauty in every situation once
1:12:29you see the beauty happiness will follow
1:12:31i was like damn it that's nice
1:12:34it's wise but yeah it seems like she
1:12:36just gets thrown through a loop like
1:12:38over and over and she just like adapts
1:12:40to it
1:12:41yeah i mean if you're constantly
1:12:43experiencing tragedy
1:12:45i mean that's life so might as well just
1:12:47find the beauty in it and learn things
1:12:50and keep going i don't know it's hard
1:12:52takes a strong person yeah it's hard to
1:12:54accept
1:12:55so annette and jamie's love story did
1:12:58start like a hollywood romance but sadly
1:13:00ended in divorce years later
1:13:02though the two remain on friendly terms
1:13:04that's good i mean she still had the
1:13:06life of a family and getting kids
1:13:08yeah and just so crazy that they ended
1:13:11up together i mean to see them together
1:13:13just with him and his big mustache in
1:13:15his head his hair right i still don't
1:13:17like
1:13:17that in my head i'll show you a picture
1:13:20later
1:13:21that's funny uh so she revisits the
1:13:23crash site in 2006.
1:13:25ah brave 13 years after the accident to
1:13:28reconnect with her story
1:13:30so that she can write a book about it
1:13:32and to make peace with the site
1:13:34and she's memory yeah this was
1:13:36challenging for annette
1:13:38not only psychologically but physically
1:13:39as well the accident had left her with
1:13:41nerve damage in one of her feet
1:13:43and her hips were now tilted which made
1:13:46one leg
1:13:46longer than the other wow but we already
1:13:49know she's a tooth cookie
1:13:50yeah so when she had kids yeah two
1:13:53children
1:13:54with tilted hips yeah that's a while
1:13:56how'd that work that's so much your body
1:13:58is going through okay
1:13:59yeah so when she gets to vietnam
1:14:03annette is surprised to be greeted by
1:14:04her rescuers and doctors who helped her
1:14:07in vietnam
1:14:07after she had been found oh i love that
1:14:09it was very emotional experience for all
1:14:11of them
1:14:12as they had all believed she had
1:14:13actually died of her injuries in
1:14:15singapore
1:14:16they had no idea no idea that she lived
1:14:18and then when they found out she had
1:14:19kids they were just like
1:14:21amazed and like it's huge in their
1:14:23culture like 13 years later
1:14:25yeah like we saved someone who created
1:14:27life like that's insane
1:14:28oh my god i can't believe they didn't
1:14:30know right wow
1:14:32i just while they i yeah what great news
1:14:34though there i'm sure they were
1:14:35overwhelmed with emotion
1:14:37yeah the the moment was really cool she
1:14:39was talking about like this
1:14:40this nurse who was like in her 70s now
1:14:43but she just immediately like was
1:14:44looking at
1:14:45where her injuries had been to see the
1:14:47scars and like
1:14:48knew exactly where they all were still
1:14:50yeah so that was cool that's fascinating
1:14:53all right so three men from the original
1:14:56crew
1:14:57are among the group accompanying a net
1:14:59to the crash site
1:15:00which is a long steep thickly vegetated
1:15:04hike um in the sweltering heat
1:15:07this is not something i would sign up
1:15:08for no
1:15:11when they finally arrived at the crash
1:15:12site all of the metal
1:15:14uh the metal debris was gone but there
1:15:15were still like remnants of the plane
1:15:17scattered about like carpet and that
1:15:18kind of stuff
1:15:19really so there's still debris yeah
1:15:21there's still pieces of debris
1:15:22eerie very eerie one of the original
1:15:26rescuers named mr cow
1:15:27was waiting on or waiting with the
1:15:29others while annette
1:15:30had her moment and he was squatting down
1:15:32on a rock
1:15:34when she looked at him sitting this way
1:15:35her memory came flooding back to her and
1:15:37she
1:15:38realized that this was the mysterious
1:15:40man in orange
1:15:41it was the same guy stop when they took
1:15:44a break for lunch annette asked him
1:15:46about it
1:15:47he gave an embarrassed laugh and said
1:15:50when he first saw her he thought she was
1:15:52a ghost
1:15:54oh my i mean yeah so okay so this guy is
1:15:57real he was in shock
1:15:58but like he's staring at her for hours
1:16:01damn
1:16:02he had never seen a white person before
1:16:04or blue eyes oh
1:16:06interesting i didn't even think about
1:16:08that plus she had on that blue poncho
1:16:10and she was like super thin
1:16:12and probably all bloody around a bunch
1:16:13of other corpses probably just looks
1:16:15like a totally
1:16:16different creature that's so injured
1:16:17yeah he was terrified of her
1:16:20oh so scared oh my god okay this makes
1:16:23sense okay
1:16:24and he said he was waiting for the ghost
1:16:25to leave before he went and got his
1:16:27friends to help clean up the site
1:16:29he's trying to wait until she died
1:16:34but he said when he wants to take her
1:16:35blue hood off he decided she looked
1:16:37human enough and finally went and got
1:16:39his friends
1:16:39okay okay okay so the mystery was
1:16:42finally solved 13 years later
1:16:44it's so funny which is pretty amazing
1:16:46that he was like he came back to like
1:16:47take her to the site again
1:16:49oh my gosh annette finally wrote down
1:16:52her experience
1:16:53um in her book turbulence in 2006 and it
1:16:56was eventually translated into
1:16:57vietnamese
1:16:58which would again bring her back to the
1:17:00country um
1:17:02and she took her daughter with her that
1:17:03time to show her the crash site
1:17:05and to introduce her to mr cow whom
1:17:08without she
1:17:09you know wouldn't have existed so it was
1:17:11a really touching moment when they met
1:17:12right and annette is still alive and
1:17:15well she's living in new york city with
1:17:17her children
1:17:18and every november 14th she commemorates
1:17:21the accident
1:17:22and posh's memory by counting um and
1:17:25keeping note of everything she consumes
1:17:28a quote from her for the next eight days
1:17:31i
1:17:31also count how much i eat and drink from
1:17:337am on the first day the second the
1:17:35third
1:17:36to pm on the eighth day it is a lot two
1:17:39slices of brown bread with cheese
1:17:41and tea with milk every morning coffee
1:17:43with milk another slice at 11 am
1:17:45lunch tea with cookies a drink with
1:17:47salami and olives
1:17:48dinner with wine tea with chocolate and
1:17:51water
1:17:52many glasses of water no hang-ups just
1:17:55counting
1:17:56i was like that is a european diet if i
1:17:58ever heard one right
1:18:00salami and olives just salami and olives
1:18:02i love that
1:18:03tea and chocolate and that's the
1:18:06incredible survival story of
1:18:08annette herfkins wow
1:18:11wow that's wow isn't that a crazy story
1:18:14you put through
1:18:15you put me through it you put us through
1:18:16it i always do you too
1:18:19it was a wild ride it was a good ride
1:18:21yeah i just like
1:18:23her perspectives on things were really
1:18:24touching and like
1:18:26surprising yeah after going through
1:18:28something so awful
1:18:30and all that trauma yeah and she's just
1:18:32so enlightened by it i was like wow
1:18:34wow that's it it's moving yeah
1:18:37so great job dang i'm tired
1:18:41yeah it's emotional totally we're wiped
1:18:45out we're wiped
1:18:46what do we have to do what's left what
1:18:49are we doing now
1:18:50uh oh city of the week let's do it
1:18:54[Music]
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1:19:21appreciate it why are you so obsessed
1:19:23with us
1:19:25we love it um okay what's next
1:19:28do you have any watchings or listenings
1:19:30to recommend
1:19:32yeah so i think i've i think i've
1:19:34complained about it on here before
1:19:36i i mean it's annoying how many
1:19:37streaming services
1:19:39but i did recently get discovery plus
1:19:42and it is my new favorite streaming
1:19:44oh that one actually sounds like it
1:19:46would be really good it's really worth
1:19:47it because it's the cheap one right now
1:19:48so far
1:19:49and it has a bunch of like paranormal
1:19:51stuff a bunch of true crime stuff
1:19:52like and each like home stuff cooking
1:19:55stuff like a bunch of stuff
1:19:56and that's just it's like a bunch of
1:19:58stuff but i'm on it constantly
1:20:01um and i they just added um
1:20:04what's called uh american detective
1:20:08with uh i believe his name is john kenda
1:20:11okay um and he's like one of like the
1:20:14like famous
1:20:15top american detectives and he's had
1:20:17like an old show before but this one's
1:20:19new
1:20:19yeah the name is familiar yeah he was
1:20:21actually on an episode of small town
1:20:22dick's
1:20:23not sure okay maybe that's what i know
1:20:25he has like the typical
1:20:26like old white man voice who was just
1:20:28like i'm a doctor
1:20:29i hardly move my oh my god i think i
1:20:31actually talked to michael about that
1:20:33guy i was like everything he says
1:20:34sounds like an old movie quote like he's
1:20:36just like everything that comes out of
1:20:38his mouth is like
1:20:39kind of badass uh yeah he's an old
1:20:41badass and i love him and the show is so
1:20:43good
1:20:43i'm in the middle of it still but i've
1:20:45watched a handful of episodes
1:20:47and it's he's funny because he like kind
1:20:49of like narrates
1:20:50part of it and like but you see him in a
1:20:52chair he always like tilts his head down
1:20:55he's just like but not everybody it
1:20:57turns out it's okay and it's just like
1:20:59so funny
1:21:00because it's like the old school style
1:21:01it's like on the nose like where it's
1:21:03funny but it's also badass
1:21:05great yeah i recommend it we'll have to
1:21:07watch that because i don't have
1:21:08discovery plus
1:21:09it's worth it it's only 4.99 a month i
1:21:11believe so another five dollars i know
1:21:14get it while it's cheap i'm sure it'll
1:21:15go up i know
1:21:17that's where the new episodes of ghost
1:21:19adventures are at so i had to do it oh
1:21:21that's how they get you well i have one
1:21:23too mine's a podcast
1:21:25what are you listening to it's from vice
1:21:28and it's in australia it's like vice
1:21:30australia
1:21:31oh that's what seems legit yeah and it's
1:21:32called extremes it's actually one of the
1:21:34podcasts that this
1:21:36annette did a um an interview with oh
1:21:38which is why i listened to it but then
1:21:40it was really good
1:21:41and i think it was in like 2019 or
1:21:44something there's only like six
1:21:45episodes but they're like they're the
1:21:48interview style where it's just one
1:21:49person telling a crazy ass story i love
1:21:51those
1:21:52i love those so much and like there's
1:21:53one guy where he like ships himself from
1:21:56like
1:21:57the uk to australia in a box and like
1:21:59all of these like just crazy
1:22:01stories stories and one like antarctica
1:22:03so it's just like very varied
1:22:05but okay that sounds really good you
1:22:07would dig that one okay
1:22:09i know it all right let's go do it
1:22:12cool i don't think we have any anything
1:22:14else
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1:23:13clearly we're the ones making them i
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1:23:17um yeah is that all of them yeah that's
1:23:20that's it all right are we gonna go
1:23:22we're gucci yeah we good
1:23:24all right well get up thanks and good
1:23:31[Music]
1:23:32night
1:23:35[Music]
1:23:36all right for my sources i read a book
1:23:38called turbulence by annette herfkins um
1:23:40i went to the internet for
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1:24:21i need to change this because it's not
1:24:23all caps
1:24:26work with a couple of anal retentive
1:24:30weirdos trying to
1:24:33block my creativity if it's not perfect
1:24:36it's not done yet
1:24:38correct my goal which is why none of you
1:24:40finish anything
1:24:42we don't start things either
1:24:43[Laughter]
1:24:48i'm taking it all personally but it is
1:24:50also all true
1:24:53i know it's okay it's why we all get
1:24:56along so well opposites attract

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