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0:38Players, welcome back. We're on another
0:41episode of Masterclass and I'm bringing
0:44the podcast down under. Before we get
0:48stuck into it, tell me, mate, who are
0:50you? Where in the world is your Kill
0:51Team scene and why do you play Kill
0:53Team?
0:55My name is Michael. My team is down in
0:59Melbourne.
1:02>> Hey B. Hey Berky. It's sounding very
1:04tiny for some reason all of a sudden.
1:07>> Uh, give me one second, mate. I'm just
1:08going to switch off my headset and we'll
1:10>> Yeah, no stress. No stress, mate.
1:12>> Yeah, that's where, like I said, having
1:15these weird little tripods.
1:17No stress.
1:21>> All right. How's that? That better for
1:22you?
1:24Oh my god. What did you do?
1:26>> I literally just took my headset out
1:28because uh sometimes it sounds like I'm
1:29underwater.
1:30>> Yeah, mate. That's literally what it
1:32sounded like. Okay, let's have another
1:33crack at that.
1:35>> All right.
1:36>> Righty. Um, so yeah. So, uh, my name is
1:38>> Wait a sec. Wait a sec. I I'll I'll
1:40start it again. I'll start it again.
1:45>> Players, welcome back to another episode
1:47of the GTR Player podcast. I'm bringing
1:50the podcast down under for this episode.
1:53And before we get stuck into it, tell
1:55me, who are you? Where in the world is
1:57your Kill Team seat? And why do you play
1:58Kill Team?
2:01Uh, good day. Uh, my name is Michael or
2:03Berky as people like to call me. Um, I'm
2:06from Melbourne, Australia, right down
2:07the down under end of Down Under. And I
2:11play Kill Team because, oh god, I've
2:13been a Warhammer nerd since as since I
2:16was about 12 years old.
2:18>> So, uh, yeah. going way back. This is uh
2:20just been a good fun adventure for me
2:22the last few years.
2:23>> And Kill Team's at a pretty good spot,
2:25isn't it, Berky?
2:26>> Oh, very much so. Like it's uh it's been
2:29interesting. I I sort of started back in
2:31end of 2019 in the original like mini
2:3540k and to see where it's grown and
2:37become and
2:39>> uh it's been great to see what it's
2:40done.
2:42>> Life of its own now, right?
2:44>> Very much so.
2:46And mate, tell me what I like to ask all
2:49of my guests when they come on to the
2:51show is can you take us back to your
2:55very very first game of Kill Team and
2:58share some insight as to what that was
3:00all about?
3:01>> Oh. Oh, mate, I can remember that game.
3:04That was uh that was I'm going to say
3:062021
3:08um back at the like launch of the old
3:10edition was playing a league into
3:13original custodies the old four APL
3:15models.
3:16>> Hefty boys.
3:17>> Um
3:18>> I had spent a good few months painting
3:21up my first ever battleclaid army which
3:24was uh consisted at that point entirely
3:26ofQatari.
3:27Uh, and I proceeded to lose my first
3:30game 20 points to two. Sorry, 18 points
3:33to two.
3:35>> Nasty.
3:36>> And that was with him not scoring two
3:39points for painted and me scoring two
3:40points for painted.
3:42>> Oh wow. Two points for painted. That's
3:46bringing so many memories back. Wow.
3:49>> Oh, I got absolutely crushed in my first
3:51game and I'll never forget it against a
3:53fellow called Phil. Haven't played him
3:55again since, unfortunately. I'd love to
3:56see what he does these days.
3:59>> But yeah, uh first thing I can say is uh
4:02probably learn the rules before you turn
4:03up to your first tournament. [laughter]
4:05>> Yeah, it was entirely on my fault
4:08>> or baptism baptism of fire like you did.
4:10Look at where you are today.
4:12>> Oh, exactly that. Yeah. You want to know
4:13the score for my second game? Cuz I
4:15remember that.
4:16>> Go for it, mate.
4:17>> That was 18 points to four.
4:20>> Wow.
4:20>> And again, his weren't painted. mine
4:22were. But at least that time I scored
4:24two points, so I got a bit better.
4:26>> You scored two points, mate. Good on
4:28you. Good on you. Now, tell me, mate,
4:30you did come to the purge and you did
4:33score a golden ticket. So, you are on
4:35your way to Barcelona at the end of the
4:37year, right?
4:38>> Yes, I am.
4:39>> How pumped are you for that?
4:41>> Oh, so excited. Especially once they
4:43announced that it was in Barcelona. Um,
4:46I was lucky enough to go to the last
4:47couple of worlds over in Atlanta,
4:49Georgia. Um, I never would have thought
4:51I'd make a third one, but here I am. So,
4:54>> Oh, man. That's fantastic. A seasoned
4:56veteran for the World Championships.
4:58That's awesome, mate.
4:59>> Oh, apparently. So, but this time, you
5:00know, I'm going over with a couple of
5:02other veterans. Dan's coming over with
5:03me again. Alex's attending his third
5:05one.
5:06>> Mikey's Mikey's coming over.
5:08>> Nice. That's so good, mate. That's so
5:11good. A real good crew. A good
5:14representation of the downers heading
5:17over to Spain. That's phenomenal, mate.
5:19and [snorts] and and tell me you you've
5:22been playing a little bit of Worm Blade
5:24and you've been a seasoned vet on Worm
5:26Blade, but we're here to talk about
5:28Battleclaid.
5:30How much are you loving the teammate?
5:31And out of curiosity, take are you
5:33taking them to Barcelona?
5:35>> Um, oh, look, I'd love to like pretend
5:38I'm going to try to take something else,
5:39but like I've been saying all year I'm
5:41taking I'm taking Battle Blade and yeah,
5:43I'm taking Battle Blade. been playing
5:44him for the whole time specifically to
5:46take him to this. And um uh well, one of
5:49the reasons I switched I I took
5:51Battleclaid was because like I said at
5:53the start, my original team was uh the
5:54old Hunterclade. So I like my uh Admech
5:57boys. Um,
6:00>> yeah, there are they're one of those
6:01teams that when they first came out, um,
6:04and I started noodling around with it,
6:07it wasn't until this current, uh,
6:10approved approved offset that I really
6:12sort of saw something with them.
6:14>> Yeah.
6:15>> Um, and [snorts] it was just that it's
6:16just the network counteract and how you
6:18can really mess around with your
6:20opponent's sequencing with that.
6:23>> Yeah. Um,
6:24>> it is almost like an interruption, isn't
6:26it? Well, it's Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you
6:28you know what it's like. You sit there
6:29and go, "Oh, I've got six activations to
6:31stop this guy before he does something."
6:33And all of a sudden, I network
6:34counteract or dash him away before you
6:37get a chance to react. And yeah, it's um
6:40uh it's it's a really fun mechanic to
6:43throw a spoke in your opponent's works.
6:46>> That's phenomenal, mate. and and like
6:48what would you say I guess for the team
6:52and for people who have been playing the
6:54team and want to like really take it to
6:57the next level. What what you see the
6:58biggest single trap or misconception you
7:01players fall into when they pick up this
7:03team for the first time?
7:07>> Oh then the biggest misconception is
7:09they're slow. [laughter]
7:14>> Yeah, I know. I know they've gotten the
7:16the nerf and they lost the double dash,
7:18but even on like on pretty much any uh
7:20longboard deployment, I still almost
7:24have the ability to hit you into your
7:25deployment.
7:27>> Yeah.
7:28>> Like it's, you know, it's very
7:29telegraphed and you will see it coming
7:31and, you know, anywhere near a half
7:32decent player should be able to get
7:33around it. But
7:34>> yeah,
7:35>> just the ability to scoot the whole way
7:37up the field. Uh, nobody really expects
7:39a uh a heavy bolter in your backline
7:43turn one.
7:44>> True story. It's almost like nobody
7:46expects a Spanish Inquisition, right?
7:49>> Exactly.
7:51They think they're getting a comfy
7:52chair. No, it turns out it's a P1 P1
7:54heavy bolter. Sorry, mate.
7:56>> Far out. And look, they're no stranger
7:58to the BDS, right? They've they've been
8:00hit and buffed a couple of times and
8:02I've seen I think we've seen them swing
8:05um left and right, but um do do you
8:07reckon they're in a good place at the
8:08moment?
8:10>> H
8:12they're not in a bad place. A lot of
8:13people will argue that. Uh like I'd love
8:15them to have a tiny bit more. Um but
8:18like where they where they are now like
8:20uh yeah, they're in a good spot, but
8:22like I said, as as someone who played
8:23them, I'd just like them to have that
8:24touch more just to make them that wee
8:26bit better.
8:27>> Mhm. because there's still uh Yeah,
8:29there's still certain matchups which are
8:32Oh god, I've got no idea what I'm doing
8:33against him to tell you the truth.
8:35>> Yeah, right.
8:37>> But then it but then again that's always
8:39uh as I said said to many of my
8:40opponents, one of my strengths is you'll
8:42never be able to figure out my plan if I
8:44don't know what I'm doing. [laughter]
8:49>> That is such a good call. Oh my god.
8:52Yeah. Well, well, look, the the the game
8:54itself is dynamic, right? you we've
8:57heard people you know from Spain turn
8:59around and say um John S and a few
9:01others you can't go into kill team with
9:03a game plan. you can go with an or you
9:05can go into the game with an idea but
9:07you need to pivot right um based on um
9:11even with battle plate as well. Um
9:14having a bunch of things you can do and
9:16being ready I think is the best way. But
9:19>> having a look at the play style and
9:21because they play so differently like if
9:23you had to sum up the optim optimum play
9:25style of the team how would you best
9:27describe it?
9:31>> Ah they'd be a shooty team. Like
9:33optimally, they're uh the the play style
9:36is
9:38uh a slightly tanky team that shoots
9:42stupidly well and moves deceptively
9:44fast,
9:46>> aka not so glass cannons.
9:50>> No. No. like uh you know there's uh
9:52there's been more than a few people who
9:54have uh unfortunately fallen into one of
9:57my absolute favorite traps which is a
10:00servtor a heavy gun servtor on guard
10:03but then with network counteracts and a
10:06medic nearby and feel no pains and
10:09rerolls like like I think I think there
10:12was one person who I think of his eight
10:14activation team took seven activations
10:16to kill the servtor killed him on the
10:18seventh only to have the medic revive
10:20him instantly.
10:22>> Wow. There's quite a bit of junk there,
10:23isn't there?
10:24>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. What you're able to what
10:26you're able to do with uh things like uh
10:29the get down Mr. President and um you
10:32know, to be able to lure an opponent
10:34into a shot that they don't really want
10:37to make uh and then divert the fire onto
10:40somewhere where I want uh and then
10:43punish basically.
10:46>> Yeah, fair call. And based on your
10:49experience and the games you've played
10:50with these guys, if you had to make a
10:53call on the win conditions for the
10:55faction, and this is a just a general
10:57statement I ask all all everybody who
10:59comes on for a master class, what would
11:01that be?
11:03A
11:03>> win condition.
11:05>> Yeah. So, three models left on the board
11:08holding crit um holding crits points or
11:12objective markers. um having
11:16essentially, you know, half your half
11:18half your half your team up the board
11:20for flank. Um just just general wing
11:23conditions. How do you need to play to
11:25be able to be successful?
11:29>> Well, in the current meta, there have
11:30been a lot of elites, so it's been very
11:32easy to castle up and wait for them to
11:34come to me. That's always been one of my
11:36favorite play styles. Um
11:40uh so a win condition is basically uh
11:44you've nibbled on a piece of cheese. You
11:47don't even need to bite it. You just
11:48need to have that nibble.
11:50>> Yeah.
11:51>> Uh and if you have that nibble like uh
11:54you know it would be something like a um
11:56a space marine takes two shots to kill
11:59one of my um one of my guns one of my
12:02gun servtors.
12:03>> Yeah.
12:04>> Instead of one.
12:06So all of a sudden it leaves him out
12:07there in the open just to get absolutely
12:10demolished by upwards of god what's the
12:12maximum I think I can get I think I can
12:14get eight shots on some on a model if I
12:16uh if everything works out best case
12:18scenario
12:20um you know the um the buff of the
12:24pocket melter was absolutely insane and
12:27what you can uh what you can push out
12:30and project threat with with that pocket
12:33melter instead of just simply
12:35like, "Oh, I've got a melter gun that
12:37you're not going to see coming."
12:39>> Yeah.
12:39>> Um like having a full range blast weapon
12:41on them. Um one an opponent never saw
12:45coming was that my melter gun used the
12:48pocket melter to switch to a flamer and
12:49flame two of his models that he didn't
12:51think I would do with it.
12:53>> Yeah. Right.
12:56But yeah, simple uh simple win
12:58conditions would be uh I like most ADME
13:02player, like most admech tech priests,
13:04I'm trying to predict an outcome.
13:06>> Um with each move, prediction and
13:09probability are going to decrease and
13:11increase on various factors. And if I
13:14predict the correct outcome
13:17and you start doing what I want, uh
13:20well, the game can be pretty much over
13:23before turning one's done in my eyes. a
13:25lot of the time.
13:26>> Mhm.
13:29Yeah. No. Solid. And [snorts] mate,
13:33looking at your operatives,
13:36um, who are the who are the absolute
13:40MVPs?
13:41Um, and who are you making sure
13:45you keep on the board until the end of
13:48the game?
13:52Oh, absolute MVPs. It's a tossup between
13:57uh the
13:59>> the tech priest and just simply his uh
14:0242 splash three weapon.
14:05>> The ceaseless he gives out during uh
14:08strat phase and then during the turn. Uh
14:11he's got the ability to switch from
14:13engage to conceal and hide himself. So
14:15he's a great last activation piece. Move
14:17up. Move up. Shoot. Oh, move up. Foot
14:19ceaseless. Shoot someone.
14:22And then during the strat phase next
14:23turn, switch him back to conceal and run
14:25away.
14:26>> Mhm.
14:27>> Um
14:29>> yeah, he's he's definitely right up
14:31there. Uh he's one of the favorite
14:32pieces to keep right until the very end.
14:34Um one of my favorite cheese pieces is
14:37actually the autoroxy the uh seek flight
14:40saturate felt. [clears throat]
14:42>> Selight saturate fell
14:45because yeah, everybody's always so
14:46worried about the seek light, but
14:48everybody knows how to play around seek
14:49flight. So I start putting him out
14:50there. People start attacking him and
14:52well, that guy punches surprisingly
14:54hard.
14:55>> Yeah.
14:57Is it what is it? The taser go.
14:59>> Yeah, taser goat. Four attacks on fours,
15:02three, four, lethal, five up. He'll
15:04often have uh he'll usually have severe
15:07and uh it's always got stun. He's
15:09usually got ceaseless on there. Uh
15:12chances are he he'll have accurate one.
15:15Um
15:16then with a four up feel no pain. uh
15:19usually a free CP reroll cuz you'll be
15:21sitting on a point somewhere. It's uh
15:24there's a lot of layers of defense to
15:26get through before you actually destroy
15:28one of these robots. And if they end up
15:30being alive on one wound, then the medic
15:32just quickly bolts over there and heals
15:34them back up again,
15:36>> aka Frank the tank.
15:38>> Yeah, pretty much. All right, the gun
15:40servtors are even worse, especially when
15:42I start playing them as melee
15:43operatives. Nobody expects a uh nobody
15:46expects a gun servtor in your backline
15:48turning point one just ripping apart
15:50your models.
15:52>> And the four five is brutal. Yeah. With
15:53three attacks.
15:55>> Yeah. Yep. Uh and you've got the ability
15:57to bump it up to four. Uh and again then
16:00with the accurate ceaseless severe stun.
16:03Um and if he's on a point, he'll get a
16:06CP reroll every activation, too.
16:09And like yeah, those guys have
16:12killed a surprisingly large amount of
16:14stuff in close combat which nobody was
16:16really expecting. And then like I said,
16:18if the medic's nearby, it's like all
16:19right, keep shooting at him. The bloke's
16:21going to come back to life as soon as
16:22he's done anyway.
16:23>> So they can definitely throw hands for
16:25sure.
16:26>> Yeah. Yeah.
16:29>> Is there is there anybody on the roster
16:31that looks really good, but is it really
16:33worth it? It kind of fizzles.
16:37No, not really. Cuz I mean I've only got
16:39like I've got three basic gun servtors.
16:41Uh two heavy servtors and the rest are
16:43specialists.
16:45>> The medic medic does his job. The the
16:47auto proxy is a essentially a Wi-Fi
16:49router and then giving out seek light.
16:52>> Um breacher is a ridiculous model with
16:55the ability to cut through walls. He
16:57essent he has power sword and then he
17:00has an AP2 gun within two inches.
17:03Um, you know, a lot of people worry
17:05quite a lot about that model. Um,
17:08>> yeah, he's solid.
17:09>> Yeah. So, um, yeah, I'd love to have
17:13like, you know, a big servtor like a,
17:15uh,
17:17>> that'd be great. Trade in like three of
17:19the models and go down to like a super
17:20elite team and have just one tech priest
17:22controlling three models. That'd be
17:24great fun.
17:25>> Yeah. Wow.
17:26And
17:29and tell me to boost these guys, what
17:31equipment are you taking to like kind of
17:32gain the edge um in the kill zone? Are
17:35you taking any of the faction equipment
17:40or you
17:43>> Yeah,
17:45take
17:46>> Oh, yeah. You're you're definitely
17:47taking the uh the pocket melter. The uh
17:49is it concealed con not concealed
17:51geysers? That's a dash. Um
17:54>> Oh, well anyway. Yeah, pocket melter
17:56comes in comes in handy. Um, the
17:58electromagnetic capacitor.
18:01>> Is it the concealed apparatus?
18:03>> That's the one. Concealed apparatus.
18:05>> Yep. Uh, the electromagnetic capacitors
18:08that transfer power for free once per
18:10turn.
18:10>> Yeah,
18:11>> that is uh that's always been one of my
18:13favorite pieces of equipment, even
18:15before it got buffed. And it's buffed to
18:17once per turn is brilliant. Now I can
18:19actually make plans for it and it, you
18:21know, gives me an extra AP each turn.
18:24Um,
18:26what else have we got then? Um, I
18:29usually take a I like quite like taking
18:31a comm's device because that buffs the
18:32range on the auto proxy.
18:34>> Uh, yeah, it does. Yeah.
18:35>> Yeah, that that comes in uh very handy
18:39depending on the map. Just the ability
18:40to place him down uh and to have him
18:43covering two points uh with his huge
18:46range
18:48is always fantastic.
18:50>> Bless you.
18:52>> Thank you. Um but yeah. Um otherwise,
18:57God, what other equipment do I take? I
18:58quite like taking the occasional um the
19:00occasional stun and crack because um
19:03just having those in your back pocket or
19:05even a frag uh if I'm playing against a
19:07hoorde team. Um
19:10the
19:12covert guys's dash
19:16into the uh tech priest dash into a move
19:21and dash to be within range of somebody
19:24to network counteract and throw a frag
19:26in turning point one
19:27>> against a horde team
19:29>> is
19:31uh can keep quite a lot of horde players
19:34very far back in the board which then
19:35coughs up quite a fair amount of board
19:37control.
19:38>> Mhm.
19:42>> Um
19:43but yeah, otherwise I'm Oh god, I don't
19:45think I've taken ladders with this team
19:46once. Um mine's pretty bloody useless
19:49with them.
19:51>> Um
19:51>> no, no, when you can cut through walls,
19:53right? Who needs ladders?
19:55>> No, exactly. Yeah. Um
19:58uh opponent's mines are great fun to
20:00throw a servtor in as long as the
20:01medic's nearby. Throw a servtor into an
20:03opponent's mind, get them get it blown
20:04up, and the servtor comes back to life.
20:06It's like, "Yep, that worked a trait."
20:08>> It's hilarious.
20:09>> Oh, yeah. Just the um
20:13one of the true strengths of Network
20:14Counteract is just your ability to play
20:17around with so much of what your
20:19opponent's done.
20:21>> Yeah.
20:22Like I've heard a lot of I've heard a
20:23lot of pod other players talk about how
20:26oh they like to use network counteract
20:27to uh to clear up their mistakes
20:30and yeah it's like oh yeah like people
20:33are using it and you know and not
20:36retroactively um reactively it's like
20:39okay that's fair enough like and I've
20:40done it plenty of times myself when you
20:41misplay something or you forget about
20:43you know someone's uh you know worm
20:45blades um strategy phase dash something
20:48like that um the ability to pull
20:50yourself back that little bit comes in
20:52handy. But I tend to be quite proactive
20:54with it. Like I'll go out there going,
20:57"Okay, my fifth activation with this
21:00model is where I want to network
21:02counteract over here. I want to have
21:03this model in place over there so that
21:06my seventh activation he can do this."
21:10>> Mhm.
21:11>> Um it takes quite a fair amount of
21:14forward thinking to
21:17uh have a plan. have a plan and try to
21:20stick to it. But then this is where,
21:22like I said, there are not so glass
21:24cannon.
21:26>> Yeah.
21:27Yeah. And and tell me, when we're
21:29looking at kill zones, right, and you're
21:32looking at close quarters versus open,
21:35which which one does the team prefer? I
21:37mean, I'd be thinking straight off the
21:38bat it'd be open, but how's your
21:41experience been on either?
21:43>> Uh, like I I personally absolutely love
21:47close quarters. like into the dark and
21:50um well dark and tomb world are
21:53absolutely fantastic. They are so much
21:55fun to play, especially as Battle Clay
21:57and even even more as Wormblade.
21:59>> But I've heard countless people always
22:01say that, you know, they're meant to be
22:03much better on open, but
22:06I've always found uh Yeah, just the the
22:09close quarters
22:11doors are always have always been one of
22:14my favorite things to play around.
22:16The ability to just Yeah.
22:18>> Oh, sorry. The ability go for it.
22:20>> Uh the ability just to open and close
22:22them. uh where my opponent isn't ready
22:26for it. Um
22:28>> yeah,
22:29>> you know, some of the uh well, some of
22:31the ways that uh network counteract
22:34interacts with guard on into the dark is
22:37uh very much in my favor.
22:40>> Yeah, right.
22:41>> Um
22:41>> can you run us an example?
22:43Uh well, if you've got a model on guard,
22:47uh well, the way network counteract is
22:49clear that one of my servtors will
22:52transfer power to another model. He does
22:54that at some point during his turn. His
22:56activation ends, then it would be the
22:59counteract.
23:01So, because the activation ends and my
23:03model who he has transferred power with
23:06is still on conceal, the guard will not
23:09trigger.
23:11Then the counteract goes where I switch
23:13him to engage and I shoot at the model
23:15on guard.
23:17>> Yeah. Wow.
23:18>> Then it's my opponent's activation
23:22back to me. And if that model on guard
23:24is still there, well, my model can shoot
23:26again.
23:27>> Yeah.
23:28>> And if the if the opponent's guard model
23:31is still alive at the end of those two
23:32shots, then they can take their guard.
23:35>> Yeah. Wow.
23:36>> Which Yeah. If you've got a
23:39arc cannon shooting at someone, that's I
23:43I there's not very many models in the
23:44game that would survive
23:4710 dice going through.
23:49>> Yeah. No.
23:51Yeah. No, for sure. And and tell me
23:54something you were mentioning before,
23:55you know, getting your um gun servtors
23:59up close and personal. I guess on close
24:01quarters, it allows you to do that
24:04probably in an unexpected way as well,
24:06right? just in case you need to to get
24:08up in their faces.
24:12>> Well, in terms of staging,
24:15>> in terms of staging, um, because the
24:18model's got five inches, everyone always
24:20just assumes an 8 in. It's then with all
24:22the sheer movement of what I can get,
24:25but just the extra two inches from
24:26network counteract and maybe an extra
24:29uh, well, if I was to do the covert dash
24:31and the tech priest dash, that's another
24:33six inches. So there's my model is now 8
24:37in up the board and hasn't activated
24:39yet.
24:40>> Yeah. Wow. Um and on into the dark. I
24:43mean that can have him all the way up on
24:45a door which my opponent would not be
24:47anticipating and has staged models
24:49behind light cover behind a closed door
24:51thinking I wouldn't be able to open it
24:53this turn.
24:55Oh, um,
24:57you know, the, uh, the fact there's only
24:59really seek light often in those big
25:01rooms comes in very handy with the auto
25:03proxy.
25:04>> Yeah. Right.
25:05>> You know, he just, he just stands and
25:07watches a room with one of the heavy gun
25:10servtors and usually my opponent will
25:12just completely abandon that room and
25:13it's like, okay, fantastic. There's uh,
25:17there's the crit up for me right there.
25:19>> Mhm. Um,
25:23uh, yeah, these these guys on Into the
25:26Dark are defin I've always found a lot
25:28stronger. And when it comes to the
25:30melee, well, the flamers come in handy
25:32as well. Uh, even then, my little boys
25:34are hitting on three uh, hitting three
25:36fours. Um, again, three attacks, but the
25:39ability to buff it up to four and
25:41everybody having severe and ceaseless
25:43and, uh, stun. Yeah, it's um
25:49the combat close combat servattors uh
25:54shock a lot of people.
25:56>> Yeah, they pack a punch for sure.
25:59>> Well, I remember a game I had into an
26:00aalance player a fair while ago. Um, we
26:04spent, I think, three turns just having
26:06a big old punch on in on the center, uh,
26:08in the center point and we both put down
26:10extra attacks and we both just stood
26:12there and just kept punching and
26:13punching and punching and for two
26:15shooting teams, I think three gunshots
26:17were taken for the entire game.
26:19>> O, bring back the fifth.
26:22>> Oh, it was great fun. Yeah, exactly.
26:24Nobody expects a good old fashioned good
26:26old fashioned melee in the center.
26:27[laughter]
26:29>> Everybody get to the middle and punch
26:30on.
26:31>> Yeah.
26:33That's hilarious. So, mate, with with 10
26:35operatives, right, um losing a few early
26:40in the game, you know, when you haven't
26:41anticipated you'd be losing some. Um
26:46how do you kind of bring yourself back
26:48from that? Because obviously there are
26:50teams that could pick your team off
26:52early.
26:54So, how are you positioning your key
26:58pieces, especially from a turning point
26:59zero at deployment?
27:02to mitigate as many losses as possible
27:04because you've spoken about rushing up
27:06the board. You've spoken about them
27:08being able to take a hit, you know,
27:09especially when on a an objective, but
27:12but how are you deploying turning point
27:14zero to to minimize as many losses as
27:17possible?
27:19>> Ah, well, if there's any risk at all as
27:23in any light cup or anything uh in
27:26deployment, most of the time I'll have a
27:28medic nearby.
27:30>> Okay? because if my opponent wants to
27:32pop up and take a shot and accidentally
27:33kill someone, well, at least the medic's
27:34there to get him back up and
27:37um otherwise I do tend to take a heavy
27:40heavy barricade quite a fair bit in my
27:42uh in my equipment pieces.
27:44>> Um
27:48but often times I found even with 10
27:50models, there's there's not too many
27:52occasions where I where there's a a
27:55turning point zero threat.
27:58Like the only real when it comes to
28:01setting things up, there's only two real
28:03questions I ask and that is where are my
28:05shoot opponent shooting models going to
28:07be shooting.
28:08>> Mhm.
28:08>> Because that's where the medic's going
28:10to be placed in and around there.
28:11>> Mhm.
28:12>> Uh and the other one is do I want my
28:14tech priest or do I want my auto proxy
28:16up the board?
28:18>> Yeah. Yeah.
28:19>> Well, um
28:21because as long as one is on one flank
28:24and one is on the other, I get a nice
28:26big bubble to do my dashes and get
28:28accurate and
28:30um
28:32uh and the ability to network counteract
28:35with the tech priest as well.
28:38Um, but other than that,
28:41most of my uh most of my staging would
28:44just be well
28:46basic boys are going to push a flank.
28:48>> Mhm.
28:49>> And my specialists are going to weave
28:51their way up through the middle
28:54and
28:56>> yeah, that's usually pretty much all I
28:57do.
28:58>> Yeah, fair call. And have you got
29:00anybody parked on your home objective?
29:04Usually [clears throat] that will uh
29:07that will hopefully be the auto proxy or
29:09the tech priest.
29:12They're they're the only two that sort
29:14of hang around back. I try to push as
29:16many up as I can, but that'll also
29:18depend on the speed of my opponent and
29:20the strength at which they push onto my
29:23home objective
29:26because if they're a fast Elvish team, I
29:28might need to leave a heavy gun servtor
29:30back there.
29:31>> Yeah. just waiting to uh come in and
29:34swing and just get a couple of punches
29:35in on someone. If I get two hits on him,
29:38I'll probably kill the elf.
29:40>> Um
29:42>> they can do they can do some good threat
29:44staging as well, right?
29:46>> Oh, exactly. Yeah. Um like teams with
29:48that seveninch movement, it uh
29:51it can be hard to play around.
29:56>> All right.
29:58>> Yeah, definitely. And tell me, when
30:01you're on close quarters versus open, do
30:05your MVPs or or key um operatives you
30:09use change with regards to how you get
30:13up the border, who you leave in the
30:14back.
30:23>> Oh, no. Not usually.
30:25>> It's pretty much the same kind of setup,
30:28right?
30:29usually like I'm just trying to think
30:32think through to various games that I've
30:33had and it's like no it's
30:36I mean when it comes to Into the Dark I
30:38don't like the auto proxy sort of
30:40sitting on a home point. It would
30:41probably be the tech priest one of the
30:42tech priests in that situation. Um
30:45depending on the various teams that I go
30:47like if it's a melee heavy team I might
30:49not take the medic at all and just take
30:51an extra gun servtor and leave him
30:52parked on the home point.
30:54>> Yeah.
30:55>> Yeah. a simple gun servtor sitting on a
30:58point on guard with a flamer um and
31:01having say you know a Goreunger
31:04threatening to come in. It's like oh
31:05that's a decent enough threat.
31:09>> The Goreunga player is not really going
31:12to want to want to go into that.
31:14>> He's not not going to go into it in
31:17favorable circumstances.
31:19>> Yeah. It'd have to be a desperate move,
31:21right?
31:22>> Yeah. Exactly. Um, and again, chances
31:24are I'd probably still have the
31:26ceaseless. I'd probably still have a CP
31:27rroll. I'd probably have extra attacks.
31:29And the um, uh, the layering of the
31:34rerolls as defense was, uh, is key to
31:38this team, especially being hitting so
31:40much on four up.
31:42>> Mhm. uh hitting on four up with accurate
31:45one which is again one of my favorite
31:46ploys just because it's all of a
31:50[clears throat]
31:50sudden yes I am getting that hit in on
31:52you um at least one
31:55um it's pretty rare that it'll be oh
31:59it's pretty rare that I'd get one uh
32:00less than less than two hits
32:04>> yeah right
32:04>> at least that way like I said most most
32:06times I'm going to get a good chunk or
32:08at least a good good set of wounds off
32:10somebody which is enough for pretty much
32:12any of my other models to come in and
32:14finish them off.
32:16>> Yeah. And you mentioned before like
32:18sometimes you like to sit back, right?
32:21But this team sounds like it can kind of
32:23do both. It can throw those big king
32:26hits, but it can also throw a flurry of
32:28jabs as well, right? For anybody that
32:30wants to dance.
32:32>> Well, flurry of jabs, you can have you
32:34can have a few. Like I remember I had a
32:36game once with uh one of my uh one of my
32:40mates down here and he was surprised to
32:42see me get four four of his models in
32:46one activation.
32:48>> Yeah. Wow.
32:48>> Um yeah, there was uh God, I can't even
32:52remember what team it was. I think it
32:53was into a blooded team.
32:55>> Um
32:56>> uh but yeah, I had a gun servtor in
32:58close combat with somebody alive on one
33:00wound. The gun servtor got a hit, killed
33:02him, shot another model who was in two
33:04inches of him, then network counteract
33:06to one of my other guys who put uh used
33:10the pocket melter to turn it into a
33:11phosp blast pistol and blast two of my
33:13opponent's other models. So, four of the
33:16blooded were taken out in one
33:18activation.
33:19>> And he was Yeah, he was shocked. He was
33:21just like, I didn't know your team could
33:23do that. And
33:25like even then I was sitting there as as
33:27the moment sort of appeared to me, I was
33:28just like, "Oh, holy crap. I can do
33:30this.
33:31>> Surprise.
33:32>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, you can't
33:34predict me if I don't know what I'm
33:35doing. And I've been playing this team
33:37pretty seriously for a year and I'm
33:39still scratching the surface on it and
33:41still coming up with more. And you know,
33:44um, uh, I think I think I stumbled
33:47across a real really interesting one
33:49with one of the tech priests the other
33:50day and it's, uh, oh, it's going to
33:53involve network counteracting and when
33:56when timings are. I have to talk to a
33:58few to down here about it because it's
34:00going to start getting into the nitty-g
34:01gritties of uh of some of the uh timings
34:05and sequencing of when rules go off.
34:09>> And yeah, I know our to down here, they
34:11get
34:12they're quite amazed at some of the
34:14questions that I come up with.
34:17>> That's hilarious. And look, I think your
34:19team has the capability not only to
34:22control the tempo, but kind of mess with
34:24it as well, right? in terms of your
34:26opponent wanting to, you know, stick to
34:28a particular tempo.
34:31>> Well, yeah, that's it. That's a that's a
34:33very good point. I can turn it up and
34:35turn it down as I see fit. Um, like one
34:38of my favorite castling up games was
34:40where I rushed out a bit too far. I
34:43overextended as much and my opponent
34:45punished me for that, but he
34:47overextended far too much with his
34:49punishment. And when I killed one of his
34:52models and uh I was playing steel
34:55intelligence, he was just like, "Oh no."
34:57Because by that stage he had three other
34:59models far too close to me and I just
35:01sat there chipping away at them for two
35:02turns. And um and yeah, he was just
35:05like, "Ah, damn." I kind of fell for
35:07your trap and I just slowed it all down
35:09and I don't think I left a quarter of
35:12the board for the entire game.
35:14>> Yeah. Wow.
35:16>> Yeah. And like I I still to this day
35:18have no idea how I won that game. And
35:20even even he was sitting there like,
35:21"How did you win it? You didn't even
35:22barely even left your deployment."
35:24[laughter]
35:25I was like, "Yep, I castled up and you
35:28ran in." And again, prediction of
35:30probabilities and prediction. And well,
35:32that was And looking at looking at the
35:34team you selected, I figured, "Yep,
35:35you're going to rush up this way. So if
35:36I take Steel Intel, kill one of your
35:38guys by turn turn two, I can make this
35:42competitive." And like I said, I think
35:43he just pushed up a bit too much.
35:46>> Wow. And tell me, you mentioned before,
35:49especially with elves, if if if you've
35:51got an opponent that tries to force you
35:53out of your comfort zone, um, you know,
35:56and rushes up and tries to do some
35:58damage, how do you react without
36:00breaking a game plan, do you do you
36:01throw them a model? Do you feed them a
36:03model? Do you bait them?
36:05>> Always in that situation, I'd slow
36:07everything right down.
36:08>> Mhm.
36:09>> Uh, that would be the first first thing
36:10I do. Um,
36:14it's not very often a player manages to
36:16pull something out which I hadn't had
36:19some idea that they were going for.
36:22>> Um, yeah, it does does happen on the odd
36:24occasion. And oh my god, I love it when
36:26someone does something like that. Um,
36:28but yeah, usually I'll just slow
36:30everything down, uh, take my time,
36:32analyze, and then start counting
36:36where I can punch back and how I can,
36:39>> knowing fully well that I can punch and
36:42then network counteract to do something
36:44else.
36:46Um because while uh you know if if
36:50somebody in the start of turn two kills
36:53one of your models first activation, you
36:55don't need to punish that. You don't
36:56need to shoot that model straight back.
36:57You can wait till the end of your turn.
36:59>> Yeah.
37:00>> Battleclad is one of the few teams which
37:02can shoot that model straight away.
37:04>> Yeah. Right.
37:05>> Shoot shoot the model, run a bit away,
37:08and then network counteract back to
37:10conceal later on. Because if my opponent
37:13shoots my model again and ends up
37:15getting into a shootout with me, oh,
37:16chances are I'm probably going to win
37:18the shootout.
37:20>> Yeah, fair call.
37:22>> He can b your time, right?
37:24>> Exactly. You know, I can uh I can hit
37:28him when I want to hit him and then
37:31network counteract myself back to safety
37:33after. Um, you know, not only that, um,
37:37with the with with [clears throat] the
37:39tech priest, I can easily switch things,
37:42uh, I can easily switch things from a
37:44network counteract to shoot a model and
37:46then dashing away from visibility
37:48anyway.
37:50>> Yeah.
37:52Yeah. That's I mean, they want to I
37:54think they're the only team who have the
37:56capability of doing that, right?
37:57>> Yeah, exactly. To be able to do
37:59something before you actually activate.
38:02Um, and a lot of other teams moves in
38:07like let's say uh XV battles suits.
38:10>> Um,
38:12uh, they've got one of their models, is
38:13it the disruptor that allows their
38:15models to switch back to conceal or do
38:17the dash as long as somebody engages?
38:20>> Sorry, somebody activates. Well, I can
38:22activate somebody.
38:23>> Yep. outside of that eight inches and
38:27then network counteract to somebody
38:28inside the eight inches and punish uh
38:31punish the player.
38:32>> Yeah. Wow.
38:35>> Yeah, that is solid.
38:38>> Yeah, the um
38:42>> sorry, go ahead.
38:43>> Oh, um I remember last year uh when
38:47Mandre Oh, sorry. earlier this year when
38:49Mandra were at their peak.
38:50>> Uh I remember a lot of people struggled
38:53with the ploy the where they fight
38:55first.
38:57>> Mhm.
38:58>> But yeah, Battleclaid again were one of
39:00those teams which with network
39:01counteract, oh I'd just I'd transfer
39:03power to somebody else. I'd charge into
39:05the elf and then I'd network counteract
39:08back to that guy later on and the elf
39:10wouldn't be allowed to fight first.
39:12>> Yeah. Wow.
39:14>> Yeah. specializing in BattleClade
39:17unfortunately broke a fair amount of my
39:18brain when it came to uh the way a lot
39:22of questions are solved with this game
39:24because
39:26a lot of people like this year were
39:27asking me, "Oh, do you think that's too
39:28much seek light in the terrain there?"
39:30And it's like, "Oh, how do you get
39:31around this?" And it's like, "Oh, just
39:32use this model with the no obscuring."
39:34Oh, wait, you don't have no obscuring on
39:35your team. Oh, yeah. Oh, you just double
39:37dash to get within range or you you hit
39:40them and then network counteract away.
39:42And um yeah, specializing
39:46has been a lot of fun cuz this team has
39:48an incredibly high skill floor. Um and I
39:52don't think there's a single player on
39:54the planet who's reached the skill
39:56ceiling for what this team's capable of
39:58yet. Um
40:00>> yeah,
40:01>> but yeah, when it comes to asking me
40:02question asking like people asking me
40:04questions about other parts of the game,
40:06it's like, oh, I've completely ruined
40:08myself because I' I've got simple
40:09answers to these questions now.
40:11>> [laughter]
40:12>> Oh, I I have a toolbox,
40:15>> mate. Sequence breaking janky robots. My
40:19goodness.
40:21>> Yeah. Yeah, it's a good way to describe
40:23them.
40:26>> And tell me, what tack ops are you
40:28taking, mate?
40:30>> Um, well, they take recon and
40:32infiltration.
40:33Um, and I'm very very partial to uh
40:37Steel Intel. Um, that's been one of my
40:40favorite tack ops just since it came
40:42out.
40:43>> Um, I'm very much that sort of patient
40:46player who likes to let you you can go
40:50first. You can take the lead. Have fun.
40:52I'll happily just sit back and react.
40:55Um, uh, I've been noodling around a bit
40:58because a lot of people have been
40:59talking about retrieval with them,
41:01>> especially against certain teams.
41:04>> Um, yeah, it works all right. Um the
41:08especially with the ploy for the 4 in um
41:12steal a point.
41:13>> Mhm.
41:13>> Um the tech priests pay from 4 in away
41:17that tech priest can boop a point or do
41:20a mission action. Um you know I can open
41:22a door on into the dark.
41:25I can retrieve. I can plant a uh I can
41:28plant a device if there's um uh if I'm
41:32within 4 in of an en of a uh the enemy's
41:35thing. if I take plant devices. Um,
41:37that's another good one. Depending on
41:39the map though, big time.
41:40>> Mhm.
41:41>> Um, never tried to play flank with them
41:44to tell you the truth.
41:45>> Um, never really liked that tack much to
41:48tell you the truth.
41:50>> Yeah.
41:52>> And [sighs and gasps] what else is
41:54they're capable of it, but you probably
41:55want to play it a bit more safer, right?
41:57>> Yeah, true. Um, and then we have scout
42:00enemy movements, uh, which is the recon
42:03one. Actually, I like that with this
42:05team, especially into a horde.
42:07>> That is quite a lot of fun.
42:09>> Um,
42:10>> you do sacrifice two on the kill, but
42:14>> Well, I mean, uh,
42:18I can I've got the ability to have four
42:21of them marked before my opponent
42:23activates in turning point two.
42:25>> Oh, wow.
42:26>> Yeah. Like you can because it's a
42:29mission action, you can use uh the uh
42:32the tech tech priest.
42:34>> Yeah.
42:34>> The technoarchchaeologist. He can like I
42:38uh using his mission action. I can see
42:40your model. I'm going to scout enemy
42:41movements. I then use the uh the other
42:44tech priest who will network with two
42:46guys and himself will see one of your
42:49models. I'll scout your model. I'm going
42:51to network counteract with two of the
42:52models and I'm going to see two two more
42:54of your models.
42:56>> So good. I remember doing that into a
42:58Death Watch player once and yeah, he was
43:01very surprised because he took four
43:02melee models into me and Yep. Cool.
43:04There are your four melee models. So,
43:06you're going to charge them into me? Go
43:08for it.
43:10>> Oh, that's gold. That is gold. And And
43:13mate, every team's got like their power
43:15spike, right? The the turning point that
43:16they come alive. And like when does
43:19where does battle clay come to life? Is
43:21it staging of TP1, setup of TP2,
43:25bloodbath of TP3? Here are we talking
43:26about a cleanup on TP4?
43:29>> A cleanup on TP4 is always fun. Uh
43:32probably also the blood bath at the end
43:34of turning point two.
43:36>> Yeah. Wow.
43:37>> Yeah. Cuz I'll uh with the speed that
43:41the team has, it's very rare that I
43:44don't get a shot turning point two.
43:46>> And if my opponent Well, pretty much the
43:50only way that's going to happen is if my
43:51opponent hasn't left his deployment
43:53zone.
43:54>> Yeah. Um,
43:56and even then I can probably still
43:58manage to get the shot turning point too
44:00if I really try. But if he hasn't left
44:01his deployment zone, I'm probably not
44:02going to overextend by that much. Um,
44:08but it's Yeah, like um they're all very
44:13[sighs and gasps]
44:14Yeah. end of turning point two to the
44:16cleanup in turning point 4. Because if
44:19I've got three or four models left in
44:20turning point 4 and I've taken steel
44:22intel, I'm probably going to be able to
44:25hold on to uh at least three or four
44:28bags by the end of the game.
44:30>> Yeah. Right.
44:33[clears throat]
44:33>> Um same as retrieval as well. The extra
44:36the extra AP um
44:40the yeah the extra AP of the tech
44:42priests. Uh often time I'll plunk down I
44:46control an extra uh I'll put an extra AP
44:48on a point for control. So to have a
44:49four APL model on a point for control.
44:53>> Uh again often comes in handy especially
44:55at the end of the game. Right. This
44:56guy's just going to move and dash up
44:58here and retrieve that last one for 2vp
45:00right there. And uh that might swing the
45:02game for me. Um, I [clears throat]
45:05haven't quite had the I haven't quite
45:08had the guts to wait for the last three
45:11activations to play retrieval.
45:15I've heard some people say that's a
45:16fantastic way to play the game. You just
45:19hold the line for the for four turns and
45:22don't do anything and then you just
45:23retrieve in the end.
45:25>> B your time and just grab them, right?
45:27>> Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, you got to
45:29have a decent set of coonies on you to
45:31be able to pull off a play like that.
45:33>> [laughter]
45:35>> Definitely definitely decent set. And
45:37mate, where where are you parking your
45:39primary on the regular?
45:41>> Primary on the reg. Um well, with the
45:44elite heavy meta, it's been very very
45:46much crit these days. Um
45:50that then pretty much swings depending
45:53on if I'm taking on usually a melee uh a
45:56melee team. Gormongers um you know,
45:59Gormongers, Space Wolves, something like
46:01uh yes, Space Wolves, something like
46:02that. Uh that's usually when I switch to
46:05a uh that's when I usually switch to
46:08tack op as primary.
46:10>> Mhm.
46:11>> And the only time I'll ever take kill
46:13off is is if I'm just messing around or
46:15if I uh forget forget to take a primary
46:18and I do the D3 roll and I punish myself
46:21and
46:22>> looks like I'm playing kill.
46:25>> Yeah. Wow.
46:26>> That is one that is one piece of advice
46:28I will tell every other player out there
46:29though. Make sure you play for the
46:31correct primary. I had a game recently
46:34where I played my entire match thinking
46:37I'd taken tackop.
46:39Not only that, I swear to God, I checked
46:41it four times during the game and it
46:44said tack and then when I flipped it
46:45over and said tackop. Nope. I'd play
46:47been playing crit and it cost me the
46:49match.
46:50>> Wow.
46:51>> Yeah. [snorts]
46:52>> Wow. Hey, at least at least you didn't
46:54take the wrong tack. I was at WTC and
46:57got called over to a table and it was
46:59like he says he's picked the wrong tack
47:01and I'm like game started mate I'm so
47:03sorry
47:05[sighs] like wrong tack as in like he's
47:07like oh I'm I'm declaring route and he
47:11flips over dominate.
47:12>> He wanted to take retrieve and he'd
47:14taken something else and it was just not
47:17working for him. Not working for him at
47:18all.
47:20>> That was painful to watch actually. I
47:21felt really bad for him but the game had
47:23already started like is a big move
47:26turning point one.
47:27>> Can't do anything about it.
47:29>> Yeah, my opponent at the end like he was
47:31he was fantastic with me. He's like,
47:33"Oh, mate, you clearly played like as
47:35tack. Feel free to switch it." And I was
47:36like, "Nope, no nope, nope. That's uh
47:38>> the primary is one I definitely will
47:40never switch on." It's like, "No, that's
47:41that's entirely my fault." Like,
47:44>> no one to blame for that that poor
47:45selection, but my inability to read. But
47:47then again, apparently Kill Team players
47:49can't read.
47:53Mate, don't stick us all under that
47:55label, right?
47:58>> Oh, it's hilarious.
48:00>> I got I'm 110% behind that meme because
48:03Yep. I I I think I'm one of those few
48:05who can't read as well.
48:07>> And And tell me, mate, what what are you
48:09what are you seeing on the regular if
48:12everything's going well pointswise on
48:15your primary, on your kill, on your
48:17tack? What does that spread look like?
48:21Ah, if everything's gone to plan
48:23properly, uh, it should be 643.
48:28>> Okay.
48:29>> Um, if my opponent's overextended, it's
48:32usually uh, uh, it's usually 64.
48:37If my opponent's overextended,
48:40>> um,
48:41>> but yeah, most of the time, um, that's
48:43the usual usual split is primary. Again,
48:46like I said, depending on whether I'm
48:48taking on a melee horde or a um sorry, a
48:50melee team or a shooting team, an elite
48:52team or a horde, uh I'll expect six on
48:55whatever I'm taking as my primary, four
48:57on the backup and three on
49:00[clears throat]
49:01three on the kill.
49:03I can often times grind out a good win
49:07>> as well. Uh admech for whatever reason
49:10are very very good at winning lowscoring
49:14games. I've won quite a lot of games. is
49:16nine points to seven.
49:18>> Yeah.
49:19>> Yeah. And just
49:22being able to again just um throw a
49:26spoke in my opponent's works and just
49:28slow down what they want and then uh you
49:31know I've got the AP or maybe I've got
49:33the melee punch to get that extra kill
49:35or two which is what makes the
49:36difference.
49:38>> Yeah.
49:40Yeah. And are you you mentioned before
49:42you're letting your opponent usually go
49:45first u because of all your network
49:47counteract shenanigans. Are you doing
49:49that to park the CP as well? Cuz the
49:52team sounds like they're pretty CP
49:54intensive, right? Oh. Oh, they can be.
49:57Usually it's uh I'm taking two of their
50:00four strap plays a turn. Um
50:04that often times depends on what my
50:07opponent's going to do. Is my opponent
50:09going to be sitting back and waiting, in
50:12which case I'll tend to be a bit more
50:13aggressive,
50:14>> or is my opponent going to be
50:16aggressive, in which case I'm going to
50:17be a bit more defensive.
50:19>> Okay.
50:20>> No, nine times out of 10, I'm taking the
50:22feel no pain anyway.
50:24>> Yeah.
50:24>> Um, just that can uh
50:29that can throw my the threat of that can
50:32throw my opponent out enough that he
50:35mistimes a sequence. Yeah.
50:39>> Yeah. Just the threat of like, oh, I
50:41need I need three hits or four hits to
50:43go through to definitely kill you just
50:44in case.
50:46>> Uh, it means I'll do it next activation.
50:48Oh, great. That means I can network
50:49counteract with him and dash
50:51>> and now you can't get into this fell.
50:53>> So, um,
50:57yeah, the, um, they are stupidly CP CP
51:01intensive, especially with the get down,
51:03Mr. president, the the 4 in uh 4 in
51:06control and objective.
51:08>> Um, hence why the CP roll uh ploy
51:12>> if you're standing on a point.
51:14>> Yep. That has Oh god, you pay one CP and
51:18the amount of rerolls you can get per
51:19turn is just ridiculous.
51:21>> Um
51:23the Phil no pain accurate one comes in
51:26very handy, especially if you're taking
51:27on a stinky team like Plague Marines or
51:29uh [laughter]
51:32what is it? vicious and they carry
51:33around their stinky incense and make it
51:35hard for you to hit them. [laughter]
51:37>> Yeah.
51:40>> Um
51:41>> but uh and then but then yeah,
51:44everyone's usually got ceaseless on
51:46them. Well, most of the big threats will
51:47have ceaseless on them by the time
51:48they're into my lines. Um
51:53>> yeah, usually with that uh oh and then
51:56sorry the last one is the extra attack
51:58in close combat and control of a point
52:01that just uh
52:04again just throws the opponent's math
52:06out of just oh god all of a sudden I've
52:08got a big brutal ceaseless stunning
52:12severe
52:14uh sexy as all hell combat servtor
52:16standing in the middle just waiting to
52:17punch somebody.
52:20uh
52:20>> striking poses, right?
52:22>> Oh, mate. Like, uh [clears throat] I'm
52:25trying to I'm trying to track down one
52:26in a bikini bottom because if I can get
52:28a set of legs with a bikini bottom for a
52:30servtor. [laughter]
52:33>> All right.
52:34>> Absolute gold, mate. Or a man keiny. Get
52:36a manini up.
52:39>> All right. I mean,
52:41>> the one conversion I actually want to do
52:43with this team is just uh change the
52:45technoarchchaeologist's head with a
52:48space wolf and just start calling
52:50calling him the technoiking
52:52archaeologist.
52:53>> That's hilarious. That's hilarious. And
52:56mate, so so you you're you're winning
52:58the role, right? You're usually giving
53:00it to your opponent because you want to
53:02park that CP and it doesn't really
53:05matter, mate, because you've got jank,
53:07right? Do you ever
53:10do you find it debilitating when they
53:13win the role and they give it to you?
53:14Like is that is that
53:17a tactic people use against you quite a
53:20bit?
53:20>> Oh, they definitely do. Um they
53:23definitely do. Um if that's the case, uh
53:27usually well it's definitely not
53:30preferential for this team. like I'd
53:32rather wait and react to what you're
53:35doing as opposed to sort of getting out
53:38there and trying to do something myself.
53:40Um,
53:43having the threat of the pocket melter
53:46usually means my opponent wants to go
53:48first. Turning point two.
53:49>> Yeah. Right.
53:51>> Yeah. Because often times that will be
53:53the one piece of cheese dangling out
53:55there. It's just a simple combat
53:56servtor. He'll quite often have the
53:58medic nearby if you want to shoot him.
54:00So, he'll just get straight back up. Um,
54:04but then you need to kill that model or
54:06else he's going to go into your lines
54:08with maybe a melter, maybe a blast
54:10weapon. Um, you know, it's a enough
54:14enough of a threat to to make you think
54:17about what you're doing next
54:19>> and the amount of times an opponent
54:21goes, "Oh, damn it. I have to go first
54:23here."
54:25>> That's just like, "Yep, perfect. That's
54:26exactly what I need." Oh
54:30>> yeah,
54:31>> even better. Even better if they've won
54:33the roll off and they've elected to go
54:34first and I get the plus two for the
54:36next turn.
54:37>> Yeah, literally you get to you get to
54:39control that as well. Another way you're
54:41you can you don't care about that
54:43because you can control the tempo.
54:45>> Mhm.
54:47>> And mate,
54:49you know how sometimes you die swift and
54:51not everything goes to plan. Can you
54:53share an example of where things have
54:54gone wrong and how you've been able to
54:56pivot?
55:00>> [sighs]
55:02>> Okay. Um,
55:06this was uh actually the tournament we
55:08had a couple of weeks ago, but it wasn't
55:09with BattleClade, unfortunately. It was
55:10with Worm Blade. You want to hear this
55:12example or do you want to hear
55:13BattleClade [laughter] one?
55:14>> Battleclaid example if possible.
55:16>> Okay. All right. That that might be a
55:18bit harder to think, but it's pretty
55:20rare that BattleClade will have whiff
55:22dice rolls.
55:24>> Yeah, fair coin.
55:26Uh like even then I'm trying to think
55:28back. I can't actually remember a game
55:29where I've uh like I've had good tight
55:31very close games with my opponents.
55:34>> Yeah.
55:34>> Um but even when it doesn't have to be
55:36dice rolls. It could just be where
55:39somebody's probably, you know, forced
55:41your hand and you've had to pivot
55:43because you know you're thinking, "Oh,
55:44I'm in a bit of a sticky situation here
55:46now." Right? Maybe you haven't had the
55:47CP um to do what you've needed to. Like
55:51has there been a situation where you've
55:52had to pivot?
55:54Actually, I've got I've got a good one.
55:56Yeah.
55:56>> Yeah.
55:57>> This is actually uh Yeah. It's um one of
56:00the local boys down here, Rowan. Loves
56:02playing. He's been on your pod a couple
56:04of times.
56:05>> Yeah. A good guy, man.
56:07>> Yep. So, uh we we scrum into each other
56:09quite a fair bit and uh there was one
56:12game actually. I think it was the game
56:13at the Purge.
56:15>> Yeah. Nice.
56:16>> Um uh yeah, so it came down to the final
56:19round and I both knew that we were
56:20playing for the golden ticket in this
56:22this this game. Um,
56:25and I remember seeing the setup. It was
56:27a Vulcus map. Uh, we were playing, I'm
56:30pretty sure it was state claim,
56:32>> and
56:34I remember using the state claim to pull
56:37one of Rowan's models out, knowing if he
56:40wanted to keep pace on points, he'd have
56:42to do it.
56:43>> Yeah. Right.
56:46But before that, well, with that
56:49decision, knowing that that was going to
56:50be need to that decision was made uh in
56:52turning point zero for the end of
56:54turning point two, knowing that that's
56:56the plan for the end of turning point
56:58two, knowing he's going to have to do
56:59something there.
57:02But at that point, I then divided the
57:03kill team into halves,
57:06>> and this team has an insane ability to
57:08move around after they've activated or
57:11before they've activated.
57:13And that was basically what I did was I
57:16ch Rowan up like I made a threat that I
57:19was attacking his home objective with
57:21never any intention of and then pulled
57:23[clears throat] everything back.
57:24>> Uh and he had
57:27>> well he'd overcommitted defense on his
57:29home objective because well he needed to
57:32defend it.
57:33>> Yeah.
57:33>> Um it was about halfway through turning
57:36point two where he saw what I was doing
57:38when I started not moving forward there
57:40and pulling everything to the side. He's
57:41like, "Oh, no." And all of a sudden,
57:44instead of nine models onto 10 models,
57:47it was 10 models onto five models with
57:50another four of his coming in in the
57:52next couple of turns.
57:54>> Yeah. Right.
57:54>> And so I just had the weight of fire and
57:57the firepower to just keep shooting and
58:00shooting and shooting and eventually
58:02there was nothing of his left on one
58:04half of the board.
58:06>> Obliteration.
58:08>> Yeah. Yeah. It's um uh again
58:10probabilities and just elimination of
58:12those probabilities and okay well I
58:14think you're going to try this and if
58:16I'm right about it great if I'm wrong
58:19about it uh well like I said that's why
58:23I don't make a plan.
58:26>> You got to be able to pivot, mate. That
58:28sounds like you do really well in
58:29pivoting with this team, which is so
58:31good to hear. Um,
58:34which are the most favorable matchups in
58:37terms of factions or teams? Like is it
58:40elite teams that you love going into?
58:43>> Oh, elites. Elites.
58:44>> Yeah, hands you're obliteration, right?
58:49>> A I've got two models with AP2 on them
58:52the entire time. I've got another model
58:54with an with AP2 on it once. I've got
58:57two other models with piercing one on
59:00it. Uh, and then I've got the
59:02technoarchchaeologist who's got a lethal
59:06five dev 3 weapon on him.
59:08>> Um,
59:09>> yeah, it's it's pretty most of the time
59:12when I go into an elite elite team, I'll
59:14usually be taking something like Steel
59:17Intel because I know that
59:19>> I know that I'm going to kill them.
59:21>> Um,
59:23[snorts]
59:23>> most of the time that's one of the games
59:25I usually get four points on the kill.
59:27Um,
59:30>> uh, yeah, I just I just out activate and
59:32wait basically.
59:34>> And then the moment you've got a threat
59:36too far up the field, okay, cool. I can
59:38jump on that and finish it off before
59:39anything happens.
59:41>> Um,
59:42>> yeah,
59:43>> Death Watch is a bit trickier
59:46um than most elite teams. And that's
59:48just simply because of their uh double
59:50counteract, like the ability to do two
59:52actions. Um because often I need to be
59:55within two of them and then oh great if
59:57I've mistimed my sequencing then they'll
59:59just switch to engage on the counteract
1:00:01charge and fight me.
1:00:03>> Yeah.
1:00:04>> Or even worse shoot and charge me.
1:00:07[laughter]
1:00:08Um,
1:00:09>> remember
1:00:13I remember at the purge uh I saw all the
1:00:15elites up in Sydney and I was licking my
1:00:17lips with anticipation and then of the
1:00:20seven games. Sorry. Yeah, of the seven
1:00:23games I think I went into elves six
1:00:25times.
1:00:26>> Wow.
1:00:27>> And I didn't want to go into elves once.
1:00:29>> Are they your worst matchup?
1:00:31>> Uh, it wasn't one that I was looking
1:00:33forward to. Um, Battle Cade did have the
1:00:37the buff of the double dash at that
1:00:39point though. And uh
1:00:40>> ah yeah,
1:00:41>> a lot of the opponents while I did try
1:00:43to explain it as best I could at the
1:00:45start, they didn't understand the threat
1:00:48s the threat risk until it's on the
1:00:50board put in front of them and uh when
1:00:52they see that model move 9 in up the
1:00:54field and he hasn't even activated yet,
1:00:56they're just like, "Oh, holy." Yep. Yep.
1:00:59That's that's what this team's now doing
1:01:01these days.
1:01:04And who do you dread seeing now that
1:01:05you've been nerfed? Who do you dread
1:01:06seeing across the board?
1:01:08>> Uh, honestly, I haven't played them
1:01:09since they've been nerfed.
1:01:11>> Yeah. Right.
1:01:12>> Yeah. Like, um, uh, I have had quite a
1:01:16fair bit on in my personal life, so I
1:01:17wasn't able to get too many games in.
1:01:19Everything got sorted a few weeks ago
1:01:21and we had a tournament coming up, so I
1:01:23just switched to Worm Blade because,
1:01:24well, they're my my loves.
1:01:27>> Yeah.
1:01:28>> Um,
1:01:30yeah. And it's uh it's just been just
1:01:31been last week when all of us guys down
1:01:33here in Melbourne have all started to
1:01:34get together and uh start to do our
1:01:37practice for Worlds. Um but yeah, I
1:01:40should get a good scrimmage in with
1:01:41them. Um
1:01:43uh what is it? Exodites everybody seems
1:01:46to be quite worried about at the moment,
1:01:47but I've only had a couple of I've had
1:01:50two games into Exodites and I think the
1:01:53game was done pretty early on pretty
1:01:56early on in turning point one to tell
1:01:57you the truth.
1:01:58>> Yeah. Right. Oh, just um yeah, the
1:02:01Exodite player has to be ridiculously
1:02:03careful of where things are placed and
1:02:06then by that stage it's I can just run
1:02:09over the top and there's just too much
1:02:11too much firepower for them to deal
1:02:12with.
1:02:14>> Yeah.
1:02:15and and tell me
1:02:18if there was a piece of advice you'd
1:02:20give to someone taking this team to a
1:02:22tournament or a competitive match in the
1:02:25next couple of weeks, what would be
1:02:28something you you'd give them in
1:02:30partying?
1:02:34>> Guns don't kill people. R-rolls kill
1:02:36people. [laughter]
1:02:42H. So, make sure make sure you got your
1:02:44R- rolls up because otherwise you won't
1:02:45kill anything.
1:02:47>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because you're hitting
1:02:49on fours most of the time, right?
1:02:51>> I can tell you every single time I've
1:02:53had all my R-rolls up, I've rolled five
1:02:55crits. And every single time I've got
1:02:57nothing up, I have missed every single
1:02:58shot.
1:03:00>> Yeah. Wow.
1:03:01>> I don't think I've made a single four up
1:03:02unless there's rerolls on the person.
1:03:04>> Wow. So, that's the trick. That's the
1:03:06blessing. The rerolls. Exactly.
1:03:09>> Praise be the omnisiah. A one 0 0 1 0 0.
1:03:14[laughter]
1:03:15[sighs and gasps]
1:03:15>> Burky, what's next for you, mate? Aside
1:03:18from Worlds, are you gonna beyond the
1:03:20practice? Are there any is there
1:03:22anything coming up that you're going to
1:03:23get stuck into prior?
1:03:25>> Oh, well, we've got a couple of quick
1:03:27tournaments uh coming up in Melbourne.
1:03:29Um on I think we've got a two day on I
1:03:34think it's a Halloween weekend. It's the
1:03:36Melbourne Spooktacular, I think it's
1:03:38called.
1:03:38>> Spooktacular. Nice. Where's that at?
1:03:40>> Um, uh, I'm pretty sure that one is at a
1:03:44place called Warplings, which is, uh,
1:03:45over in Flemington. It's a, yeah, gaming
1:03:47club over in Flemington.
1:03:49>> Um,
1:03:50>> and then we have just our other usual
1:03:52monthly at, uh, Plenty of Games in the
1:03:54city.
1:03:55>> Nice, nice, nice. Both great spots. Both
1:03:58great spots.
1:03:59>> Yeah. Good, good last couple of chances
1:04:01to get a good few drills into um into
1:04:05Battleclaid before Worlds.
1:04:08Um, and then I might I might start
1:04:10noodling around with Sanctifiers or XV
1:04:11Battles Suits next year.
1:04:13>> Oh. Oh, nice. Both both great teams,
1:04:17right?
1:04:17>> Oh, I played my first game with XV
1:04:19battlesuits a couple of days ago and Oh
1:04:21my goodness, they just fit like a glove.
1:04:24>> Yeah, they're a very different team, but
1:04:27yeah, if if you get your head around how
1:04:29to play them, they're definitely
1:04:30something that can Yeah. pack a punch as
1:04:34well as mess with your opponent.
1:04:36>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, that that's definitely
1:04:37one got to be one of my favorite things
1:04:39to do in this game is just completely
1:04:40mess with my opponent. Either that or
1:04:42just give you a list of bad options to
1:04:44take
1:04:45>> and chain snares don't work anymore on
1:04:46them, right?
1:04:48>> Oh, exactly. [laughter]
1:04:53>> Awesome, Bucky. Well, mate, we're at the
1:04:55top of the hour. It's been a great
1:04:57session. Thanks so much for your
1:04:58insights. I know there's a bunch of
1:05:00people who would just get pure value
1:05:02from the conversation we just had. So
1:05:05mate, massive thank you.
1:05:08>> Ah, no worries. Thank you very much for
1:05:10having me, B. It's always a pleasure.
1:05:12>> Absolute pleasure, mate. Can't hopefully
1:05:14get to see you at the Purge next year.
1:05:16We did miss you at KTSO, so hopefully we
1:05:19have your presence at the Purge, but
1:05:21>> I I nearly nearly got up to KTSO. I
1:05:24tried to book tickets on the Thursday,
1:05:27but unfortunately it was $900 up to
1:05:29Sydney on the Friday night.
1:05:31>> Mate, that late tax is ridiculous. That
1:05:33late tax.
1:05:34>> Oh, no. was uh
1:05:35>> we had the NFL on in Melbourne that
1:05:37Friday.
1:05:38>> Oh wow, that would have smashed you for
1:05:41sure. For sure. Well, mate, [snorts]
1:05:43>> there's a spot for you at the Purge next
1:05:46year. Can't wait to host you, mate.
1:05:48>> You know I'll be out there.
1:05:50>> Thank you, brother. Listeners, thank you
1:05:52so much for sticking around until the
1:05:54end. I'm sure you've gained as much
1:05:56knowledge as I have about these dirty,
1:05:58janky robots that are there to ruin your
1:06:01game. And we'll [music] catch you on the
1:06:03next one. Thanks. So much perky.

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