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0:00there's more depth in Nature's design
0:02language than they told us in school
0:05because the way the sound waves move and
0:08create energy around it is completely
0:11opposite to the way that the light moves
0:13and creates movements around it so but
0:15nobody talks about this and nobody talks
0:18about this even in metaphysical healing
0:20circles we talk in abstract ways about
0:23their sound healing and there's healing
0:25with light and color both systems that I
0:27absolutely love but we have to see that
0:29they are two separate systems working
0:31with two different types of waves when
0:33we move into a future Paradigm that is
0:35far more enlightened than what we have
0:37today where're going to be using
0:39energies for healing we're going to
0:41understand that these are two different
0:43types of waves we can use for healing
0:45and the effect of the sound waves may
0:46not be identical to the effect of the
0:48light and color waves welcome to living
0:514D with Paul Che today Paul welcomes
0:54back Dr Robert Gilbert Dr Gilbert is the
0:57director of studies at the Visa in
0:59Institute and his previous episode with
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1:30/p podcast Paul and Dr Gilbert are today
1:34discussing the topics of spirit mind and
1:37healing today one of my favorite people
1:40in the world to talk to is back that's
1:43Robert J Gilbert founder of The vess
1:46Institute the first instructor in
1:49biogeometry trained by Ibraham Kareem in
1:52the US maybe in the world I'm not sure
1:56but my last podcast with Robert was
1:59absolutely abely excellent I had a huge
2:01response to it many people bought his
2:04courses and have told me how grateful
2:07they were to find the
2:09information so I'll say right up front
2:13um get over to the vesa Institute check
2:16out his courses they're all very in line
2:18with the things that I teach and that I
2:20think everybody needs to study and I
2:23found Robert Gilbert years ago actually
2:25studying sacred
2:27geometry turned him on to to uh Jason
2:31peard and Cara and they looked into his
2:34teachings took some of his courses and
2:36reinvigorated my interest and then my
2:39friendship with Ibraham Kareem led me
2:42back to Robert so Robert welcome back
2:44wonderful thanks for having me again oh
2:46that's always a pleasure man you're so
2:48deep I love hanging out with you thank
2:52you I you know it's fun you know when
2:55people like you and I spend our whole
2:57life studying and practicing there's not
2:59too many people you can really have a
3:01deep conversation with and get a real
3:03good exchange where you walk away saying
3:06you know with that sense of ah aha oh I
3:09didn't think of it that way or oh wow I
3:11gotta look into that and uh I certainly
3:14get that from you so thank you today
3:18we're going to get into a a lot of
3:20different things I had quite a long list
3:23of uh questions and dialogue points that
3:27we didn't get to in our first podcast
3:30so as you know this one takes us into
3:34all the things that we wanted to cover
3:36but didn't get a chance to covered that
3:38I think are really important to talk
3:40about so I titled the show Spirit mind
3:43and healing because we're going to talk
3:45a lot about that so to begin with in our
3:47previous episode you gave us a very good
3:49explanation of the self and how sacred
3:51geometry underlies the creation of the
3:54self I'm just curious what kind of
3:56response you receive from those um that
4:00listened to that episode as I said I had
4:04a massive response I don't know if you
4:06have a chance to follow that kind of
4:08stuff or
4:09not I don't always have a chance to
4:11follow it very closely but I did
4:13understand from my staff that we had an
4:15really excellent response to it uh both
4:18with people being interested in the
4:19courses and just general responses about
4:22how much people appreciated the depth of
4:24our conversation so thank you so much
4:26for making that possible yeah yes I I uh
4:31you have an open door to my podcast pal
4:34anytime you and my house
4:36too and and my gym and my sa and my coal
4:40plunge and my swimming pool and my rock
4:42garden and my property and my Greenhouse
4:45if the World falls apart come stay with
4:47me you won't be able to get rid of me
4:49thank you that's cool we we'll meditate
4:52together and keep the kids entertained
4:54and talk to them about how to get
4:56through it all see the light I'd like it
4:58if maybe you could begin today by
5:00overviewing what we'll cover and why
5:03it's important information to understand
5:06well I think we're going to start today
5:07with topics related to what I describ
5:10coming from a French term from a 100
5:12years ago of waves of health and illness
5:16and this is basically an energy based
5:19Paradigm for not only what kind of a
5:23being a human being is but also for the
5:26entire energetic universe that we live
5:28in and looking at how we can bring
5:32together all of these fragmented pieces
5:34that we get today from materialistic
5:37science along with what we know from
5:40spiritual science and holistic science
5:44to really heal our
5:46view of the energetic nature of the
5:48human being and the world we live in so
5:51we'll be able to talk about some very
5:53large principles that I find don't get
5:55discussed very often as well as
5:58practical applications of of it with new
6:00healing sciences and new healing
6:02Technologies which are arising today but
6:05although I'm sure you're very familiar
6:06with them and many of your viewers are
6:08familiar with this we have the issue
6:11that is simply not being promoted to the
6:13general public and they don't even know
6:14these types of energetic Technologies
6:16exist so we'll start with the foundation
6:18of what these energetic Technologies are
6:20and how and why they work in a way
6:23that's outside of the normal Paradigm
6:26and then we'll continue that forward
6:28into looking at deeper aspects of human
6:32consciousness development with the mind
6:34and Spiritual Development and how all of
6:36these different Pieces come together
6:38into something that people can apply
6:40practically in their own lives for their
6:42own health and for accelerating their
6:44own personal
6:46development yes good now in my studies
6:50of quantum physics David B A lot of them
6:55Fred Hoy Richard feineman all the
6:58pioneers of quantum physics Wolf Gang
7:01paully um one of the things that come up
7:04came up several times and I just want to
7:06hear your thoughts on that's not in the
7:09outline but I think it's a good place to
7:11start because of what you just said in
7:13the introduction basically the consensus
7:16is amongst these Geniuses like B and
7:18others is that everything that we know
7:20of as the universe is basically energy
7:23and information some add frequency to
7:26that but I think frequency is how it's
7:31expressed and then we have bom's hollow
7:34movement and we have uh all the way back
7:37to Michael talbet the holographic
7:39Universe do you agree that we're pretty
7:42much everything we're dealing with from
7:44our own bodies to the universe is
7:47basically energy and information yes uh
7:50absolutely I do you mentioned Michael
7:52tet's book on the holographic universe
7:54that's such a wonderful book for people
7:56to start with if they don't have a
7:57background in this it's so so well done
8:00and we need to be aware that at the
8:03beginning of the quantum physics
8:05Revolution and as that moved into
8:06nuclear physics in the modern form you
8:09had people like burner Heisenberg who in
8:13his discussions kept going back to the
8:15ancient spiritual traditions and so if
8:19you read Heisenberg's work on Foundation
8:21of nuclear physics it keeps going back
8:23to things like platonic sacred geometry
8:27and about these Universal pattern PS
8:29that make up everything and it really
8:31has that connection that you and I keep
8:33referencing about the ancient spiritual
8:36knowledge and how that connects and
8:38gives a larger context to Modern
8:41scientific discoveries in a way that not
8:44only helps us to make sense of it and to
8:46apply it but in a way it heals our
8:49understanding of this terrible Rift that
8:51modern culture has created between
8:54so-called scientific knowledge and
8:56spiritual knowledge it brings it all
8:58back into a un form one of the key
9:01things I think we need to take from
9:02classical Traditions around the world is
9:05the idea that we are multi-dimensional
9:07beings living in a multi-dimensional
9:09universe because physics per se is
9:12intentionally restricting itself to the
9:14physical plane level and of necessity
9:17it's incre included the level below the
9:20physical plane which is the
9:22electromagnetic level but it still it
9:24leaves the boundary there so nothing
9:27literally meta physical nothing above
9:30the physical is allowed to be discussed
9:32but if we look at a classical Paradigm
9:34and we'll use the common theosophical
9:37modern variant of this today because
9:39different ancient Traditions had
9:41different ways they would conceptualize
9:42this whether it's ancient India or Egypt
9:45or what have you but we have the idea
9:47that we have the physical plane and
9:50that's the end of a process now the
9:52problem is that in modern materialistic
9:54thinking the physical plane is not only
9:56the only reality it's also the the cause
10:00level of all processes but every ancient
10:04tradition knew that wasn't the case and
10:07so what's what's even left out of this
10:09modern seven level Paradigm that we have
10:12for things like the theosophist when
10:14people read us esoteric book today and
10:16they see about seven planes of nature or
10:18seven spiritual planes we're still
10:20missing a very important piece of it
10:22which is that below the physical is the
10:25electromagnetic and this is something
10:26that was made very clear by Rudolph
10:28Steiner that you know if we're going to
10:30look at this multi-dimensional model we
10:32need to understand that what
10:34electromagnetic energy is is that vital
10:37force that is within the physical and is
10:39related to the breakdown of the physical
10:42plane it's literally below the physical
10:44and what's above the physical is what
10:47would be called Chi Kei Prana ether in
10:50different ancient civilizations which is
10:52the true dynamic life force it's not the
10:55same as electromagnetic energy but it's
10:57the source of it at its greater
10:59biological life level so above the
11:02physical we have the level of what's
11:04sometimes called vital energy or life
11:06force or biological energy that is
11:10really the the core energy that fuels
11:13everything now at that level of the
11:15multi-dimensional structure of beings
11:18this is what animates the corpse of a
11:21biological body so it can be alive this
11:24was understood in every ancient
11:25tradition and every ancient tradition
11:27used the concept of the life force
11:29as the primary thing for healing because
11:32they understand that it is before the
11:33physical body now this also relates us
11:36to the sacred geometry that we talked
11:37about in our last discussion because all
11:41of these energetic fields are
11:44constructed at this aetheric life force
11:47level to use the Greek term uh to have a
11:51particular geometric pattern to them now
11:54this is the level at which the higher
11:55planes which are based on we could say
11:58in our terminology today information
12:00then that information gets translated
12:03into a sacred geometric template where
12:07the form follows the function the form
12:10is created by a forming process as is
12:12discussed in modern
12:14biogeometry to be able to then create
12:17the physical form as an expression of
12:19that energy or that function so to
12:21really understand what in Steiner's work
12:25or in the rosac crucian work would be
12:28described as the aetheric formative
12:30forces but actually are the energy
12:32fields that when crystallized and
12:35condensed and materialized become a
12:38physical form whether it's a mineral or
12:41a plant or an animal or a human there's
12:44an energetic Field behind it that
12:46constructs that form so at that point
12:49we're getting past the physical which is
12:52not so much the cause but more a result
12:55of these higher plane inputs we have
12:59above it the life energy which is a
13:01sacred geometric template of energy
13:03around which the matter will form and
13:05condense it's literally a
13:07crystallization process which is why the
13:09study of minerals and crystals can be
13:11very helpful for understanding how this
13:12works then above that level of the vital
13:15energy we have the levels that in the
13:18human being become uh our emotional and
13:21mental function these could have other
13:23names in other Traditions so in some
13:25traditions they'll use the term astral
13:28to mean our both our mental and
13:30emotional functioning in some other
13:32groups they'll use the astral to mean
13:34specifically what becomes the emotional
13:36body in the human being and in animals
13:39and then they have the mental plane
13:41above that now we're getting into
13:43Consciousness now we're getting into the
13:45ability to process information within a
13:48living being that is simply all living
13:51beings understood in the classical
13:52tradition are an emanation from the
13:54godhead they're an emanation from the
13:56one original source and so we are like a
13:59fractal of the original pattern that is
14:02given independent activity that's the
14:04nature of every individual human being
14:07so above the level of the dynamic life
14:10force Chi Prana ether and then the
14:13emotional and then the mental then in
14:16the most common modern Western
14:18formulation you have what's referred to
14:20as the causal plane now again this is
14:22the information that is related to the
14:26particular developmental alchemical
14:29trajectory of a separate being of a
14:32separate system and so we think of that
14:34in the halalan terms of karma of the
14:39particular things that have been done or
14:41acted on and then the consequences of
14:44those actions by creating a particular
14:47force in the world so everything is
14:51energetic and so all of our thoughts all
14:54of our emotions all of our actions in
14:56the world they create results and so
15:00that's the causal plane where there's a
15:02larger plan for how all this is going to
15:05come together and very much an
15:07information level then above that we
15:09have What's called the spiritual level
15:11that's the point at which the original
15:13Unity the one of the godhead coming from
15:16the highest level the Divine Divine the
15:18highest level is basically the one it's
15:22a complete unified field and that
15:24unified field is not just a unified
15:25field of energy it's a unified field of
15:28consciousness
15:29and so what every human being yearns for
15:31is to return to that primordial state
15:34that we all remember internally to a
15:36certain level of what it is to be
15:38unified and one with everything and this
15:42also has led to a great growth recently
15:44of a Resurgence of the psychotropic
15:46movement for that Unity Consciousness
15:48that Unity State it's behind all of our
15:50romantic yearnings to find the other and
15:53to reconnect so at the Divine plane
15:58level at the highest is where everything
16:00comes from and it's still unified the
16:02first step downward is the spiritual
16:04plane in which the different pieces of
16:08the information become manifest in
16:12specific separate systems and when those
16:15systems become more aware they become
16:18what we think of as Spiritual Beings
16:21beings of a much higher state of
16:23evolution than human beings are at they
16:25went through their what we might think
16:26of as a human self-aware state age many
16:29cycles previously what the old
16:32traditions might refer to as the great
16:33ancient ones and they had different
16:35names for these beings that we have
16:36today in the western system with the
16:39Angelic hierarchies the Angels
16:41archangels arai all the way up to the
16:42Cherub sarpam and so we have this then
16:45movement of all these higher levels as
16:48we have what we could refer to as the
16:50information level for the highest levels
16:52related to the Divine but really there
16:56we're talking about a source level we're
16:58talking talking about the core whatever
17:00there is that makes up existence that's
17:02where it comes from at the Divine level
17:04everything is one then it splits into
17:06Duality polarity and multiplicity at the
17:10spiritual plane level then it forms a
17:12plan for all these other beings that are
17:14going to get manifest out of the thought
17:15forms in the mind of God at the causal
17:18level and then you have the beings
17:20taking on the ability to process
17:22information to access the universal
17:25information field through their mental
17:27and emotional function
17:28then you have at the level of the
17:31dynamic life force our ability to take
17:34in the dynamic energy the universal Chi
17:37field as they say in China to animate a
17:41a flesh and blood body to become the
17:43vehicle as they would say in the halalas
17:46for the spirit to operate through and to
17:49be able to interact with the universal
17:51energy field the universal Chi field and
17:54then all this crystallizes from the
17:56sacred geometric pattern from the
17:57information
17:58coming into the Life Energy fields and
18:01then to crystallize into the physical
18:03body and then as the life energy is used
18:07up and decays in the animation of
18:11physical forms it then decays below the
18:13speed of light as was discussed by
18:16Nicola Tesla and then it becomes what he
18:19referred to as hertsy in waves
18:24and so what we deal with today in
18:25electromagnetic Theory Nicola himself
18:28who created our AC energy conduction
18:30system we use everywhere today he said
18:33well these are the lower level waves
18:35these are the herzan waves that
18:38are below the speed of light it says
18:40there's something at a higher level
18:42which we often refer to in a fairly
18:43generic term coming from electromagnetic
18:45and physics theory of scalar waves
18:48although people interpret this in
18:49different ways but that's what I would
18:51say as a a framework here for
18:54understanding how this Quantum
18:57Revolution
18:58is related like going back to Heisenberg
19:01to these ancient spiritual Concepts and
19:04then we have the aspect of this that's
19:06going to be fundamental for the
19:07discussion coming up which is that the
19:11Paradigm that we had for physics in the
19:141800s was completely overthrown starting
19:16in the year 1900 with the discovery of
19:18black body radiation and so this created
19:22the foundation of what we think of as a
19:24Quantum revolution in physics and what
19:26it showed is that the 1800s idea We Were
19:28Somehow going to find a universal
19:31building block of physical matter like a
19:34little solid thing in a completely
19:36physical Paradigm and physical universe
19:39that everything would be built on that
19:40physical thing because they wanted to
19:42prove everything was physical and get
19:44rid of all metaphysics instead that
19:46whole project disintegrated starting in
19:49the early 1900s and they found that
19:52actually it's not based on physical
19:54structures at all physical structures
19:56come from the collapse of waves and the
19:59waves are in a sense immaterial I can't
20:03like hold a wave and hand it to you it's
20:05not a physical object but when the wave
20:07collapses it then creates a particle and
20:10these particles are so far apart from
20:13each other that if we were to change the
20:15scale from the microscopic to the scale
20:18that we live in and our physical
20:20existence there would be football fields
20:22of space between these tiny particles so
20:26all of creation is mostly empty space
20:29but that empty space holds the unified
20:32field that empty space holds the concept
20:36of the energy the endless energy inside
20:40the vacuum itself and so we have the
20:41idea of quantum energy and the quantum
20:44vacuum that empty space even though
20:47there's no particle there is actually
20:49full of energy and this energy is
20:52expressed in waves and then collaps to
20:54particles so you think that after we had
20:57this incredible Revolution in physics
20:58that gave rise to all of these
21:00incredible things in the last 100 years
21:02including nuclear weapons Etc and as we
21:05discussed in our previous conversation I
21:07have a background where I was a US
21:08Marine Core instructor in nuclear
21:10biological chemical warfare defense
21:12you'd think that after this incredible
21:14revolution in physics that that would
21:16trickle down to practical things like
21:19what people are taught about the nature
21:21of reality and also for our healing
21:25systems but none of that happened so
21:28know it just became cell phones that's
21:30right so we have this ridiculous
21:32situation where because of interest of
21:35the pharmaceutical industry and other
21:37type of vested interests that control
21:40money supply and control basically
21:43legislation we still are dealing with a
21:45medicine that is way over a 100 years
21:48old that has not partaken in the quantum
21:50revolution in physics whatsoever because
21:52of the profit motive and pting a
21:54particular chemical and selling that to
21:56you that you have to take for the rest
21:57of of your life which is a very
21:59effective profit engine but not very
22:02effective as uh integrating the steps
22:05forward we have today in understanding
22:07the energetic basis of the world and the
22:10energy and information that stands
22:12behind the physical body couple of
22:16things for those that aren't familiar
22:18with simatics I think simat just go on
22:22any search engine and type in simatics
22:24and then go to the videos section you
22:26will get a very very good description of
22:30how the invisible manifests the visible
22:33you can see how waves of sound frequency
22:36will structure matter into geometrical
22:38forms and it's really quite beautiful to
22:42see and John Stewart Reed sells a
22:45cograph which I bought for my kids and
22:49and for Christmas and for me but you can
22:52sing into it and talk into it and and
22:54then it you know it has a vibrating
22:56plate so it converts set to vibration
22:58you can actually see your own voice so
23:01you can chant oh or you know anything
23:04you want to say or chant into it and
23:06it'll give you the immediately takes the
23:10little powder that you put on there and
23:11turns it into the geometrical shapes
23:13that are coming out of you which really
23:15I like because for children and and for
23:18adults it shows you which the Ancients
23:21have told us forever the power of your
23:24voice to create reality and what's
23:28behind your voice your thoughts which
23:30are even more subtle and your thoughts
23:32and your emotions so you can use a simor
23:35graph like that to realize that you're
23:38actually contributing to the creation of
23:40existence if with every thought and word
23:43two other things my studies on scalar
23:46energy it it seems to me to be very much
23:49in line with Zero Point Energy and it's
23:53non-local where does where do you feel
23:55the scalar energy fits within the model
23:58you've just described from the
24:00electromagnetic below to the physical
24:03the etheric the lower mental higher
24:06mental astral causal or however you want
24:09to break that down so I think that the
24:12way it ended up being used and that
24:14leads some of the confusion we have
24:15today because really discussing the
24:17different ways people are using the term
24:19scalar gets very very involved but the
24:22foundation of it is that scalar is
24:25simply a scientific term indicating
24:27something has a magnitude of energy but
24:31we have no indicated trajectory or
24:35vector line of movement of that in the
24:38physical plane that's all scalar really
24:40means so if you give something like a
24:43weight of something like this thing
24:45weighs X number of pounds that's a
24:48scalar type of measurement because it
24:50has magnitude but it doesn't tell you is
24:53it going anywhere it's not like I'm
24:54saying this car is going 60 M hour at a
24:57North Northeast trajectory it has both a
25:00a magnitude in this case speed and also
25:03a place that it's going so with scalar
25:06measurements whether it's you know
25:07weight or length or something like that
25:09it's just giving you one
25:12particular aspect of it it's giving you
25:14the magnitude of the energy or energy
25:16field but it's not telling you that it's
25:20having a particular activity with motion
25:22on the physical plane once you add in
25:25the directionality now it goes from
25:27being a scalar measurement to a vector
25:30measurement this is just basic you know
25:32science 101 type stuff but we need to
25:35understand where that term scalar comes
25:36from because lots of times people when
25:38they talk about scalar they don't really
25:39understand the very simple scientific
25:41basis of it but scalar became the
25:43catchall for discussing energies that
25:46were not what Nicola Tesla referred to
25:50as the heran waves that we
25:53examine today in electromagnetic
25:55Theory and so there's the understanding
26:00that number one the quantum vacuum the
26:02empty space holds tremendous energetic
26:04charge that many people had do
26:07experiments to be able to tap into that
26:09type of field but there's also the
26:11aspects of dealing not with the decayed
26:14electromagnetic energy that's below the
26:16level of the physical it's literally the
26:18Decay process for the biological life
26:20force above the
26:21physical but there is the actual Chi ke
26:25Prana ether biological life force
26:28that is theoretically faster than the
26:31speed of light and works on some
26:32different principles than
26:34electromagnetic energy does and so when
26:36they would find these anomalous things
26:39energetically one way to refer to it
26:41would be as scalar waves something
26:44that's more related to at this Vitality
26:46level this core energy that gets
26:49constructed geometrically to become the
26:52literal energy template that when
26:55crystallized will become whatever
26:57physical
26:58form then when people begin to work the
27:00scalar concept they want to
27:01individualize it a little bit more
27:03they'll give it some other name based on
27:05what functions they're focusing on so
27:08for example the Russian worked with
27:09torsion waves with torsion waves they
27:13discovered that there are certain ways
27:14that energy moves that doesn't quite
27:17line up with what we think about
27:18electromagnetic energy that has to do
27:20with these types of spiral movements
27:23which if you really understand them are
27:24Vortex movements how energy a vortex
27:28and on top of that they found that these
27:31energies affect the movement of time and
27:34that you can create distortions in time
27:37based on torsion waves and so this is a
27:41just an example of how you get the
27:42scalar concept and you tweak it a little
27:44bit you give it a new name and then Zero
27:46Point Energy now zero point energy is
27:48often connected to this whole idea and
27:50I'm giving a very simplistic gloss here
27:52if you're dealing with people that are
27:53very deep in the subject they say well
27:55that's very simple well my purpose right
27:57now well that's that's good for the
28:00podcast that's right I try to keep it
28:01fairly simple so the Zero Point Energy
28:04is something that is coming from a zero
28:06point and so this relates to the idea of
28:09the quantum vacuum but it also relates
28:11to something about beyond the three
28:14dimensions of physical space there's
28:16something else if we can go into that
28:18zero point then there's all types of
28:21infinite energy and potentially a
28:23gateway to higher dimensional energetic
28:26fields
28:28and so we have aspects of modern physics
28:30today that deal with the concept of
28:33things like 10
28:35Dimensions not just a threedimensional
28:37space but it make some of the equations
28:40in physics work out they have to have
28:42like 10 different dimensions and then
28:44when some like string theory yeah
28:46exactly and then when somebody says oh
28:48well this shows that we live in a
28:49multi-dimensional universe and
28:50metaphysical things are say no no no no
28:52no the mathematics requires 10
28:54Dimensions but don't ever think that
28:56means there's anything beyond the
28:57physical plane of the three dimensions
28:59and you say that doesn't even make sense
29:01but it's so deeply indoctrinated in
29:04education today when I got my my PhD in
29:07international studies A very wise
29:09professor said to me uh do you know what
29:13uh the PHD really is and I knew he had
29:16something good so I just said no what is
29:17it and he said the PHD is your reward
29:21for accepting the myths of your
29:24profession exactly I thought oh that's
29:26okay you know going on here this is this
29:28is good so one other thing with a Zero
29:31Point Energy I want to bring in is that
29:33if you think about a zero point you're
29:35really talking about a center the center
29:37of something because in geometric theory
29:40in a three-dimensional world the zero
29:43Dimension is a point but it's an
29:45immaterial point it's like it has no
29:48magnitude it has no movement out in
29:51space it's an immaterial uh point that
29:54is has no length breadth depth and then
29:58you have the first movement to create
30:00the the length and then the second
30:02dimension to create the the breadth and
30:05then the third movement to create the
30:07depth now you've got the three axes of
30:09physical space that's what's used in
30:11electromagnetic Theory to identify
30:13Vector lines of the movement of energy
30:16and so this whole idea of Zero Point
30:19Energy and this infinite energy that's
30:22around us everywhere that Nicola Tesla
30:23was also very interested in is something
30:26that I think connects very deeply to
30:30biogeometry developed by our friend Dr
30:33Ibrahim kareim from Cairo Egypt because
30:37uh when I train people in biogeometry
30:39one of the first things to communicate
30:41to them is that this is all about
30:42connecting to the universal harmonizing
30:46energy that is not polarized it's from
30:49the one it's from the original unified
30:51field state where everything is one
30:54which means there's not too much Yin
30:56there's not too much y
30:58it's all in the center everything is
31:00harmonized and balanced it's the
31:01equilibrium point for all types of
31:04biological systems and so it's been an
31:07absolutely Paradigm shifting development
31:10what Dr Kareem has developed in
31:13biogeometry with the idea that we can
31:15literally tap into the energy in the
31:17center of anything and use that to
31:20harmonize and balance living energy
31:22Fields that's the core of
31:24biogeometry and then we have different
31:26ways we can train people to be able to
31:28test this and apply it and things of
31:29this kind so this then starts to bring
31:32us if we understand the phenomena and
31:34that's what I'm trying to do now is
31:34explain like the core of these terms and
31:36the phenomena which otherwise can be
31:38very confusing for
31:39people that it's actually connected to
31:41things like the Practical applications
31:43of biogeometry and in the ancient world
31:46they would have understood what we're
31:47doing today in biogeometry for the
31:49teachings inside the ancient Egyptian
31:51temple system and so now back to
31:54Heisenberg we're rediscovering in a new
31:57frame of reference some of the
31:58information and techniques used in the
32:00ancient spiritual
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35:00before I did a podcast with a man named
35:03Tom Paladino who uses the scalar energy
35:06field to broadcast a variety of
35:09different types of healing frequencies
35:11and before I did the podcast with them I
35:14wanted to make sure I tested it because
35:16you know a lot of that kind of stuff can
35:17be gimmicky but I definitely noticed a
35:21difference and um he had he has them
35:25different programs for all and a variety
35:27of different things I think he just gave
35:29me and and Angie and the kids like his
35:32core package but when he turned it on I
35:36felt the best way I could describe it as
35:39like an expansion of my core energy it
35:43felt like I'd been doing taiichi for a
35:45half an hour but it just stayed and it
35:49was just like I don't know kind of an
35:52invigorating not by any means uh Buzzy
35:55or agitating
35:58a sense of of energetic support would be
36:01the best way I could describe it because
36:03there's not really words to kind of
36:04categorize some of these things so I
36:06just bring that up because we talk about
36:09scalar energy and he he actually
36:11produced his own scalar wave generator
36:14that broadcasts non-locally so he can
36:17treat people all over the world from his
36:20location so I thought that was an
36:22interesting concept what before we move
36:24on I may have asked this before but this
36:27is one of those things that I think
36:28doesn't get explained very well and
36:31we've used this word many times now
36:33there's a lot of different uses of the
36:36word Dimension you've got length width
36:39depth time that's the four-dimensional
36:41world we live in but if you study the
36:44work of Chris Hardy in the infinite
36:46spiral staircase Theory which is
36:49excellent she talks about the Sig
36:51Dimension which which is the dimension
36:53of meaning or Consciousness then you
36:56have got all the dimensions of string
36:58theory you've got ra raw and the law of
37:02one they talk about first second third
37:04fourth fifth six seventh type
37:07Dimensions could you please put some
37:11structure to the concept of what a
37:14dimension is because there's so many
37:16different ways like I could go in my
37:18library right now and pull out 10 books
37:20I'll using the word Dimension that all
37:22have different they all they all have
37:23different models from Barbara hand clo
37:25to Cynthia to the list is long how do we
37:30understand the when the word Dimension
37:32is used in this context particularly
37:35when we're getting past length width
37:37depth and time what exactly is a
37:39dimension from your perspective so again
37:42just from my perspective a dimension is
37:45a particular aspect that we can pull out
37:49of the larger totality of any system and
37:53so people often use the term Dimensions
37:56to mean different slices of a system
38:00different facets of it that can be
38:03understood and explored so we can begin
38:04to understand the whole system there's a
38:06great statement by the great rosac
38:08crusan rosar crusan teacher Rudolph
38:10Steiner where he says to understand
38:12anything in its totality you have to
38:16essentially in Consciousness walk a
38:18circle around it and see it from 12
38:21different perspectives and that's why we
38:23have in our system understood by the
38:26Ancients we have 12 signs of the zodiac
38:28around the earth they are 12 Cosmic
38:31Powers they are 12 Cosmic perspectives
38:34they are 12 Cosmic trajectories that
38:40alchemical systems can go on and then
38:42you see that reflected in things like 12
38:44disciples around the Christ these types
38:46of things so dimensions are aspects of
38:49the system so some one person uses it
38:51and they're using it to describe the
38:53different aspects of the physical system
38:55that the physical plane is defined by
38:57three 90° angles so those are three
39:00different dimensions uh one to another
39:03and then you know Einstein adds in the
39:05fourth dimension being time then they've
39:08changed that in modern quantum physics
39:10where you have like string theory with
39:11at least 10 dimensions and all of these
39:13kinds of things and then people will
39:15often talk about Dimensions In terms as
39:17we mentioned a moment ago just in terms
39:19of aspects of a system I tend to use the
39:21term Dimension as being somewhat
39:24synonymous with the concept of planes so
39:28you have the concept of spiritual or
39:30planes of nature In classical systems
39:33which are the different parts of the
39:34system and so just as I have a physical
39:37body and that's all that's understood
39:38and accepted by modern materialistic
39:41science and medicine you then have the
39:43energetic body and then what gets
39:46reflected in the emotional mental
39:47structures the causal the spiritual and
39:50then back to one with the Divine I think
39:52of that as being
39:54dimensionality because when I I work
39:56with people on becoming aware of these
40:00Dimensions inside of yourself these
40:02planes inside of yourself that's what
40:05creates What's called the subtle bodies
40:07or the koshas the sheaths or the spirit
40:11that they describe in the halalas and so
40:13we can actually experience them inside
40:15of ourselves and there is like a change
40:18from one dimension to another as you go
40:20through it when you experience yourself
40:22completely in the physical body it's
40:23different than experiencing yourself in
40:24the energetic body when you move to
40:26experiencing yourself in the energetic
40:28body you're experiencing things through
40:31vibration tingling pressure hot and cold
40:35things like this then as you move up to
40:37the next level beyond that the astral
40:40level moving toward the emotional and
40:42mental function we perceive things in
40:44terms of light and color and then
40:47there's other experiences we have on
40:49other other levels so that's the way
40:52that that I think of dimensions in my
40:54own use of it I tend to think in in
40:56terms of it as being somewhat synonymous
40:58with the ples model because these are
41:00different levels of function and they
41:02relate incredibly deeply to what every
41:05human being experiences their lived
41:07reality and their ability to to develop
41:11themselves to a higher level so that's
41:14anyway that's my take on
41:16it yeah it's important because I you
41:19know it can be confusing for people uh
41:23and I've looked up definitions of de
41:25definition in a lot of different books
41:27and some of even some of the definitions
41:29don't line up with each
41:31other but one of the descriptions I
41:34studied uh not too long ago on a
41:36dimension I'm just paraphrasing it
41:38basically it was saying a higher
41:40Dimension is something that basically
41:43allows a lower Dimension to exist but at
41:46the lower Dimension you're not aware of
41:48the higher Dimension and I thought well
41:50that that that's a good
41:51description um you know there's a lot of
41:54things above us that we aren't aware A
41:56Ware of that allow us to exist that
41:58we're not aware of yes uh it may not
42:01apply to every way that people are using
42:03the term Dimension but it certainly is a
42:05useful and valid perspective in and of
42:07itself and in many cases it would apply
42:10yes it just helps you perceive you know
42:13they they gave an example for I can't
42:16remember what the example was but it's
42:17something like if you lived in two
42:20Dimensions there could be a third
42:22dimension but you wouldn't even know it
42:24was there exactly the flat land idea if
42:27you're in Flatline all you see is the 2D
42:28world you don't know there's a third
42:29dimension if a sphere came down into
42:32your 2D world you would see a point
42:35that's growing out in an arc and if you
42:38walked around it you'd see a circle but
42:40you wouldn't see the the thing that's
42:41actually creating it as a
42:43three-dimensional object moving through
42:44that plane this is the classic flat land
42:47concept yes yeah the person that wrote
42:50what I was reading said the problem is
42:52if you were a two-dimensional being you
42:54wouldn't even know to look up
42:57exactly because there would be no up you
42:59don't you don't know up exists and the
43:01exact same thing is I love the flat land
43:03concept because it so pertains to what's
43:05happened in modern science and medicine
43:08that they don't even know to look up
43:10that they have such a restricted view of
43:12only the physical plane and brought in
43:15electromagnetics because they had to but
43:17they don't accept anything above it even
43:19though we're constantly drawn to it even
43:21in very practical things like you know
43:24if somebody gets cancer cancer can from
43:26many different causes but there's
43:28certainly a tremendous amount of
43:29evidence coming from things like the new
43:31German Medicine by HR showing that the
43:34emotional state of a person can be very
43:37linked to the development of cancer and
43:40that there's even What's called the
43:41cancer personality now that's what we be
43:43thought of in modern medicine as a
43:44higher Dimension that they would never
43:46take into account they don't they never
43:48ask you about your emotional state
43:50they'll take a bunch of physical tests
43:52and test different types of glands and
43:54secretions but you know this always that
43:56aspect of the higher levels we don't
43:58even know to look at and the classic
44:00spiritual Traditions really give us that
44:02gift of showing us these multiple levels
44:05to be able to be conscious of and see
44:08how they affect every other
44:11level well I think you're being a little
44:14bit polite toward the medical community
44:17yeah because you're saying they don't
44:19even know to look up but I'll prove to
44:21you that you're being polite they know
44:24to look up because they know who to send
44:26answer and who to wipe out and who to
44:27destroy and whose books to burn so they
44:31already know that they just don't want
44:33you to look up and that's the same of
44:35any fundamentalist cult right is that
44:37they they know what books to burn to to
44:40like try to protect their their castles
44:43in the sky that they've created and they
44:45they rely on for their Authority and
44:47their
44:48income yeah we can talk to we I'm sure
44:52Mr Reich knows all about this absolutely
44:54Wilhelm reich's work is so signicant and
44:56like so many other people he got
44:58squashed for trying to move things
45:00forward trying to help people exactly
45:03exactly it's illegal to help people when
45:06we were talking I think you talked about
45:10the
45:11ld50 in the last podcast but I wanted to
45:15see if you could just maybe retouch on
45:18that but what what can we learn from
45:20that because that I think that's a very
45:22important
45:23concept maybe you can talk about that
45:26just a recap of that why that's
45:29important and and what can we take away
45:32from that that's relevant to to the
45:33issues of the world today be it drugs
45:36whatever however you want to help us
45:39land it in reality today the ld50
45:43concept is just a basic concept of
45:45modern toxicology which is ld50 means
45:48lethal dose 50 it is the dose of any
45:52toxin that will kill 50% of those it is
45:56given
45:57to and so that's like the this median
46:01measurement of how much of this toxin
46:03will kill half the in this case people
46:06that it's applied to now the thing that
46:09always struck me when I we discussed
46:12this in toxicology and my work as a
46:15Marine Corps nuclear biological chemical
46:17warfare defense
46:19instructor was that you know if things
46:22were purely
46:24materialistic that ld50 measurement
46:28would basically be based only on
46:31something completely physical it'd only
46:33be based on something like let's say
46:35body weight because we can understand
46:37that the amount of toxin that could kill
46:41a person that is 100 pounds might be
46:44smaller than the amount of toxin it
46:46would take to kill a person who's 350
46:48pounds that'd be a very simple
46:51mechanical physical concept but it
46:53doesn't work that way in real reality
46:56you can have a 100 pound person survive
46:59an ld50 dose that kills a 350 pound
47:03person you know it's not simply a matter
47:05of the physical aspect of it at all and
47:09so this something that I thought about
47:11for years like why is it that some
47:14people survive and some people don't and
47:16then you could go into things like well
47:17they had certain compromised organ
47:20systems and so they were more
47:22susceptible to this they didn't have the
47:24level of the immune system functioning
47:26yeah okay but I think it really comes to
47:29what we're going to get into in a minute
47:31which is it has to do with the energetic
47:35construction of the biological energy
47:38field of the person that's the core Life
47:41Energy and again classical Traditions
47:43like Chinese medicine they're all about
47:45this so you have a certain level of chi
47:47a certain level of the the kind of
47:51dynamic life force that you burn all the
47:53time like gasoline and and then you have
47:56a certain level of Jing and Jing is
47:58their term for the core densified life
48:01force in the body of which we have a
48:04particular more limited aspect so
48:08whereas the the chi concept is somewhat
48:11like the gasoline you have to keep
48:13taking in taking in the energy that's in
48:16the air the energy that's in the liquids
48:18you drink the energy that's in the food
48:20you eat that's something it has to be
48:22replenished and the quality of your
48:24lifestyle the quality of your food Etc
48:26contributes to that but the Jing is like
48:28what you were born with with the core
48:30densified life force and some people are
48:32born with more than others based on the
48:34circumstances of their birth and their
48:35mother and things like that but it kept
48:38being very clear to me that there are
48:41aspects of this that relate to these
48:43higher planes higher dimensions of the
48:47way a person's mind works their level of
48:49mind power their level of emotional
48:53energy their level of dynamic Life Force
48:56at the Vitality level these are things
48:59that play in all the time to practical
49:01Health outcomes and are considered to be
49:05completely non- analyzable or even to be
49:10even considered in modern Western
49:12medicine they have no concept for these
49:14things whatsoever it has to be just
49:16purely mechanical
49:18measurements and of course this concept
49:20of purely mechanical measurement starts
49:22to go out the window not only when
49:24you're dealing with LD 50 and why did
49:27this person survive and this person
49:28didn't but it also comes into play as we
49:31deal with things like
49:33biogeometry so that Dr Kareem was when
49:36we we talked before about some of the
49:38incredible research projects Dr Kareem
49:40has done successfully so if he could
49:42grow sweet potatoes in salt water coming
49:45from the Red Sea without taking any salt
49:47out of the water if you just give that
49:50salt water straight to a growing sweet
49:52potato it will die but if you give it
49:55the salt water with all the salt still
49:57present but you change the vibrational
50:00characteristics of the water in the way
50:03that we teach in biogeometry you can
50:06give that salt water with all the salt
50:08still in it to the sweet potato and
50:10it'll grow better than if it was given
50:12fresh water and it's things like this
50:14and we can find all kind of examples of
50:16this in in what is thrown out by modern
50:19science and medicine because it doesn't
50:20fit our Paradigm so we're not even going
50:21to look at it but it shows that the
50:24vibrational the energetic
50:26characteristics are primary the chemical
50:28characteristics are secondary it doesn't
50:30mean the chemicals don't have an effect
50:32they will certainly do something well
50:34the energetic vibration is with the
50:36chemical too that's right but it also
50:39supersedes like in this case with the
50:41salt water it supersedes the impact of
50:44the salt because according to modern
50:46science the only thing that matters in
50:48that case is how saline the water is and
50:51how much salt is present they would
50:53never say we could give the salt still
50:56in the water and nourish a plant by
50:59changing vibrational characteristics of
51:01the water that doesn't exist in their
51:03Paradigm but in fact Dr kareim proved
51:05that that was the case yes that's
51:08beautiful too now when it comes to what
51:11you were talking about you were using
51:13the word Jing Rudy vpor who have done
51:16several podcasts with very skilled
51:19homeopathic and very also schooled in
51:21Steiner's work are you familiar with
51:22Rudy at all I am not oh I got to connect
51:25you with him he's he's a deep guy if you
51:27listen to any of my podcasts with him
51:29they're fantastic he talks about the
51:32difference between our the energy we use
51:35for routine and ritual you know our
51:38functional energy the way we carry
51:39things out do things eat breath
51:42exercise and and he separates that type
51:45of life force from generational uh
51:48energy which is the regenerative energy
51:50AR healing capacity and he says that not
51:53all of us are born with the same level
51:55of generative energy and that some
51:58people can't recover from diseases
52:00because their generative energy is too
52:02low but the reason I'm bringing that up
52:04is
52:05because spiritual practices especially
52:08things like Tai Chi chiong there's a
52:10number of them as you know you can
52:12actually say say you're born from Fairly
52:15weak stock you know you don't have a
52:17good Constitution Mom and Dad we not
52:19really the fittest or the most vital
52:21maybe there's a history of a lot of
52:23disease in the family but people like
52:25that that engage a legitimate practice
52:29of Tai Chi chiong medical
52:31chiong meditation can help but it's not
52:34really a generative PR practice like
52:37chiong or Tai Chi is exactly but they
52:41they can I know you know I haven't
52:43missed a day of work in over 42 years
52:45due to illness at all I get something
52:48I'll get a runn nose I'll fight it off
52:50but it doesn't knock me down I just like
52:52okay something's trying to get me and I
52:53just do the right things and and and and
52:56I spent my you know my whole life doing
52:58these practices so I know for sure and I
53:00and I've given them to thousands of
53:02people I've taught thousands and
53:03thousands of people this so I've watched
53:06people going from being sick all the
53:07time to being healthy vital people the
53:09point I'm bringing up is I think it's
53:11important for people to realize that no
53:13matter what hand of card you were dealt
53:16you can improve the Hand by getting
53:18involved in the right practices and all
53:22these practices even taiichi it's not
53:24just a phys IAL practice it's a practice
53:26of learning to use your mind you know
53:29and and not shall we say waste your core
53:31energy on creating thoughts that
53:34ultimately and feelings that are
53:37degenerative in in and of themselves
53:39like we were talking about in the
53:40beginning that's why I said you get a
53:42simos scope you can see what your voice
53:44creates so it's just a a comment to let
53:47people know you can build these core
53:50life force energies and create more
53:53stability for yourself this this concept
53:56also comes up in things like classical
53:58Traditions like Chinese medicine because
54:00they'll discuss the prenatal energies
54:03which is very much connected to the
54:06concept of the Jing in Chinese medicine
54:07and to the generative energies that your
54:10friend was discussing that would be the
54:12prenatal energies and then you have the
54:13postnatal
54:14energies after you're born what you do
54:17to generate the energy so this is where
54:19we're dealing with then what you were
54:21discussing about how we use our mind how
54:24we use our itions these kinds of things
54:27these are part of
54:29a set of planes that interpenetrate and
54:33so we can reduce the amount of vital
54:36life force in the body through the
54:37thoughts that we think or we can
54:39increase the vital Life Force Through
54:40the thoughts that we think same thing
54:42with our emotional function Etc and what
54:44we tap into spiritually at the higher
54:46levels above that that can also vitalize
54:48us energetically or it can weaken us
54:50energetically depending on what we are
54:53connected to so all these levels come
54:55together to be able to whatever hand
54:58you're dealt like you're saying whatever
55:00hand you're dealt with the the
55:02background level of Vitality that you
55:05have it can be taken further through the
55:07correct use of the Mind the emotions the
55:11life force energy itself and another
55:13thing you touched on is that certain
55:15types of meditative work don't actually
55:17generate more of this life force in the
55:19body now there's something very
55:21interesting in the work of Rudolph
55:22Steiner where he he goes as far as to
55:24say that if you look at these major
55:27structures in the body so we have the
55:29head which is the foundation of our
55:32normal Consciousness then we have the
55:35lungs and the heart and we have the
55:37energy in the chest this upper structure
55:40with our Consciousness would be called
55:41the upper Elixir field in Chinese
55:44medicine and DM yeah then you got the
55:47middle Elixir field with the energies in
55:50the center with the heart and the lungs
55:51and feeling function is a part of it
55:54emotions love love and then for the
55:56lower dantean and the lower abdomen this
55:59is directly connected to the vital life
56:01force itself so siner brings out that
56:05thinking is actually a death process so
56:08if you look at the the greatest
56:09scientist in the world these guys don't
56:11look like Dwayne The Rock Johnson right
56:15they're not like big muscle men they're
56:18not big vital guys and some of them have
56:20thought themselves to death yeah
56:22absolutely Because deep thinking burns
56:25up Life Energy in the body it you're
56:27literally burning it all the time when
56:29you're thinking deeply and so if we have
56:32a thing that we just want to be
56:34physically Burly and impressive then the
56:36people that pursue that in their life
56:38often don't pursue quantum physics or
56:40some other really deep type of thing
56:42because they're two different polarities
56:45so we have the thinking which allows us
56:47to expand in all kinds of ways but it
56:49will burn up the vital life force in the
56:51body and then you have the development
56:53of the vital life force with the
56:55practices we do with the lower abdomen
56:57so this includes all types of generative
56:59energies including with the chi Kong and
57:01Tai Chi also the sexual forces in the
57:04body all these types of things these
57:06actually generate the life force this
57:08burns up the life force so there are two
57:10opposite polarities that then get
57:12harmonized through the effects of the
57:14middle donen the heart you're talking
57:17about if I'm correct in what what I
57:20think you're talking about from
57:21Steiner's perspective you're talking
57:23about his concept of Rhythm man
57:25metabolic man and and limb man aren't
57:28you yes so he talks about the nerve
57:31sense system as being up here and then
57:34you have the rhythmic system with the
57:36heart and the lungs here that's all
57:38based on the rhythm of the pulsation and
57:41then you've got the the life force
57:44energy the will forces the metabolic
57:48forces the metabolic limb forces that
57:50allow you to move your limbs and move in
57:52space coming from the lower abdomen and
57:55so that becomes the divisions for
57:57anthroposophic medicine coming out of
57:59Central Europe so we can actually
58:01understand this also as a physiological
58:03healing system which is what the
58:07anthroposophical medicine
58:09is yeah I have all this Steiner's
58:13Concepts built into check life process
58:16Alchemy sometime I've got to show you
58:18the system of alchemy I developed I
58:20think you'd find it fascinating because
58:22you'd actually be able to see right into
58:24it I just haven't tried to burden you
58:27with more to look at because I know how
58:28busy you are but but someday I'll I'll
58:30I'll show it to you I think I'll just
58:32email you the master diagram because as
58:34soon as you see it it'll be obvious to
58:35you but it's it's very powerful and very
58:37effective I've helped a lot of people
58:39heal now we've touched on some of the
58:41issues of the next point of discussion
58:44here now there's the the growing energy
58:47and vibrational medicine aspects of
58:49healing which has also been heavily
58:51suppressed as you know in Luke moner's
58:54research Arch and and even on brain
58:57farting on the guy that was one of the
58:59original scientific researchers on uh
59:01Homeopathy the French scientists that
59:03they Tor tortured to death benav Vista
59:06or something benav Vista yeah jacqu
59:08benav Vista oh yeah you know he his
59:10research was showing that you don't need
59:12to buy drugs so they trashed him which
59:16was sad because he was a highly
59:18celebrated scientist and they just
59:19ruined his career as quickly as they
59:22could except for guys like me and you
59:24that are smart to see through it do you
59:26want to talk about any of these other
59:28aspects because you've got longitudinal
59:30waves transverse waves yeah share what
59:35you think's important for us to expand
59:38our understanding of what would be maybe
59:42in the realm of quantum physics or
59:45subtle Energy Medicine but that we
59:47should all be aware of and particularly
59:50if you can Orient yourself towards how
59:55and why that's important today because I
59:58think as a side note a lot of these
1:00:01Technologies are being used against us
1:00:03they're being used for negative purposes
1:00:05such as information Fields broadcasting
1:00:08information fields to control people's
1:00:11minds uh which I won't Sidetrack
1:00:13conversation but I've looked into that
1:00:16and I've used remote viewing and seen
1:00:18some very interesting things that were
1:00:20quite disturbing as to what technologies
1:00:22are being used against us so anything
1:00:24that you want to share in this regard
1:00:27because it goes right to homeopathics
1:00:29and all sorts of important things so
1:00:31what would you like us to know let's
1:00:33look at some data points to to heal our
1:00:36Paradigm of of how all this works
1:00:39together let's do that so uh just
1:00:42touching very briefly on some very
1:00:44important things uh the work of
1:00:47Alexander gervich in Russia where a
1:00:50hundred years ago he was able to
1:00:52demonstrate that there are energetic
1:00:55emanations from living beings that
1:00:58affect other living beings so we'd work
1:01:00with something like a growing onion and
1:01:04we know just like uh this is like folk
1:01:06knowledge that's been developed for
1:01:08thousands of years that they say oh if
1:01:10you have like a bunch of garlic and one
1:01:13garlic is starting to sprout the other
1:01:15garlics will start to sprout too now
1:01:17gerage was able to demonstrate that
1:01:19there actually is a type of ultraviolet
1:01:23radiation that comes from living beings
1:01:26that affects the life functions of other
1:01:28living beings so for example when you
1:01:30have a group of women living together
1:01:32and they all start to synchronize their
1:01:34periods yes how does that happen there's
1:01:36no physical exchange between them that's
1:01:38making it happen it's not on a physical
1:01:40level obviously something's happening on
1:01:42an energetic level and so what gerage
1:01:45was able to identify are these weak
1:01:47ultraviolet emanations and that's just
1:01:50with he could pick up with his equipment
1:01:52there was no doubt other energetic
1:01:53emanations he did not have equipment to
1:01:55detect but he could detect the weak
1:01:57ultraviolet emanation that led to like
1:01:59the growing stems of the onion would
1:02:02have biological effects on other onions
1:02:04and how they grew based on the radiation
1:02:07coming out of it and so we talked about
1:02:09this mitogenic radiation which is a type
1:02:11of biological life force where one
1:02:13biological life force affects another
1:02:16and his work is absolutely fascinating
1:02:17it sort of changed biology completely
1:02:20but of course they try to ignore all
1:02:21that and so what then happened is around
1:02:25the I think it was in the
1:02:261970s there was the work of kachev in
1:02:31Russia and our access to this is through
1:02:34a book by uh Lieutenant Colonel Tom
1:02:37Bearden that is called the Excalibur
1:02:39briefing I highly recommend it to
1:02:41everybody very interesting book and he
1:02:43talks about and he gives the reference
1:02:45that this comes from of this Russian
1:02:47research with kachia where he took this
1:02:50further and so we know that quartz
1:02:55quartz crystal will allow a full
1:02:57spectrum of energy to pass through it
1:02:59including the ultraviolet but we know
1:03:01that ordinary glass will cut off parts
1:03:03of the spectrum particularly in the
1:03:05ultraviolet range so what he did is he
1:03:07had a particular toxin in a Petri dish
1:03:11that he separated with no possibility of
1:03:13any air movement or cross-contamination
1:03:16completely sealed off from one another
1:03:18and he had a petri dish with a a
1:03:21particular biological toxin in it
1:03:25and then another Petry disc that didn't
1:03:26have the biological Toxin and he would
1:03:28separate them through glass separated
1:03:31through the glass where you couldn't get
1:03:34the movement of that ultraviolet
1:03:36radiation the second Petri just that
1:03:38didn't have the pathogen didn't have any
1:03:41issues but when he separated them with a
1:03:43quartz window which does allow that
1:03:46electromagnetic radiation within the
1:03:48ultra violet range and no doubt things
1:03:49beyond the electromagnetic as well to
1:03:51pass through the quartz window then you
1:03:54actually have the development of the
1:03:56exact same
1:03:57disease that was in the first petri dish
1:04:00appear in the second petri dish meaning
1:04:03it was broadcast
1:04:05energetically now this is the kind of
1:04:07stuff that people get in trouble for
1:04:09just talking about but this is the way
1:04:11things work so we know from and again
1:04:14this was Russian research they're
1:04:15following up on gerage and they're
1:04:17saying well if we can send things that
1:04:21affect the growth and reproduction of
1:04:23living form things that may be related
1:04:25to health can we send things that are
1:04:26related to illness and death through
1:04:29this type of energetic transmission and
1:04:31the answer for good or for ill was yes
1:04:34we can and so that was already known in
1:04:37research in the 1970s again go to Tom
1:04:39bearden's book Excalibur briefing for
1:04:41more description and Define the original
1:04:43citations so with that being the case
1:04:46that we actually can have an energetic
1:04:49projection of energy fields that create
1:04:52health or illness that gave rise to my
1:04:55term of waves of health and illness
1:04:58which was also taken up in a separate
1:05:01body of work with the French researchers
1:05:04in radiesthesia the ability to detect
1:05:07subtle radiations and to apply these
1:05:09subtle radiations that occurred in
1:05:12France in the early 1900s and is
1:05:15actually the foundation of what is
1:05:17modern
1:05:19biogeometry out of Egypt with Dr Ibraham
1:05:22kareim so uh I created an online class
1:05:26called the universal vibrational
1:05:27spectrum that goes into the French
1:05:31research that identified all of these
1:05:34different qualities of energy that can
1:05:37are and are projected energetically
1:05:40invisibly all the time from living
1:05:43beings and in the online course
1:05:45Universal vibrational Spectrum I created
1:05:47on this I think it's the first time
1:05:48there's been any real summary I couldn't
1:05:51find it in the French Works although
1:05:52they did all the foundation work work I
1:05:54actually summarized what's the effects
1:05:56of all these different qualitative bands
1:05:59of energy that biological beings are
1:06:01broadcasting all the time at the
1:06:03physical energetic emotional mental and
1:06:06spiritual levels it's just a beginning
1:06:09in this field but it actually gives you
1:06:10something to work with there because the
1:06:12French were able to detect and
1:06:14differentiate these subtle energies
1:06:17coming from biological beings then Dr
1:06:20kareim building on the French work
1:06:22because the French always said the
1:06:23people knew the most about what they
1:06:25called shape caused waves because these
1:06:28types of energy waves can be broadcast
1:06:30from shapes sounds colors motions angles
1:06:34Proportions number series all kinds of
1:06:37things they said that people that knew
1:06:39the most about this in the ancient world
1:06:40with the ancient Egyptians and so Dr
1:06:43Kareem a modern Egyptian came in as an
1:06:46absolute genius and took the French work
1:06:49connected it to the old French knowledge
1:06:50and created biogeometry and it's an
1:06:54incredible system and with it we can
1:06:56actually detect all those different
1:06:58invisible qualities of energies and we
1:07:01need to understand that this though
1:07:02allows us to test the specific energy
1:07:05components that we have the general idea
1:07:08in modern metaphysics that every thought
1:07:10that you have has an energy quality that
1:07:13you broadcast out of your energy field
1:07:15every emotion you have has an energy
1:07:17quality that you broadcast out of your
1:07:20energy field all the time we are all
1:07:23resonating and tenant of the quality
1:07:26that we are generating in our life force
1:07:29field that we are having in our feelings
1:07:31that we have in our emotions are we have
1:07:32our thoughts we're projecting it outward
1:07:34all the time and that's why people feel
1:07:36comfortable with one person and not
1:07:38comfortable with another person whe this
1:07:40person is projecting out dynamically is
1:07:42something you may or may not want to be
1:07:43around so looking at these
1:07:46foundations and then moving forward we
1:07:49can begin to see okay well if this is
1:07:51the case and we have these invisible
1:07:53vibrations that may be beyond what Tesla
1:07:57in a derogatory way referred to as our
1:08:00modern electromagnetic Theory with
1:08:01herzan waves and there's
1:08:04something beyond that these scalar waves
1:08:06which we could also think of some degree
1:08:08as
1:08:09biological energy waves that cannot be
1:08:12easily picked up or detected or analyzed
1:08:14by standard electromagnetic equipment
1:08:17it's simply too subtle that we can see
1:08:20that there's other things that occur in
1:08:22modern science that have not been
1:08:25clearly defined as their significance
1:08:28and the average person doesn't even know
1:08:29that they exist so for example uh
1:08:32quantum physics says that particles come
1:08:35from the collapse of the wave function
1:08:37and so okay so if things are P primarily
1:08:40waves and have an energetic basis that
1:08:42not a solid thing but they can collapse
1:08:45into a solid thing based on the
1:08:46geometric structure of the field that as
1:08:49what programs it for the thing it's
1:08:51going to do that we say okay well what
1:08:53are the types of waves that are
1:08:55understood in modern science so two of
1:08:57the most fundamental types of waves are
1:09:00going to be the longitudinal wave and
1:09:03the transverse wave now this can be made
1:09:06to be very full of jargon and very hard
1:09:09to follow so I'm going to make it super
1:09:11simple so what we have as a standard
1:09:14electromagnetic wave the way we think of
1:09:15it today is is called a transverse wave
1:09:18it's transverse because with the
1:09:21propagation of the electrical component
1:09:24you have then a displacement of energy
1:09:27at 90° to the direction of travel and
1:09:31that's the classic thing that we know
1:09:33today about the 90 degree rule where
1:09:37people in electrical engineering will
1:09:38hold their hands like this you have up
1:09:39and down uh front and back side to side
1:09:42that creates the three axes the three
1:09:44dimensions of physical space and so with
1:09:48the transverse waves we know that when
1:09:50electrical current is moving through a
1:09:52wire at a 90° angle to it we get the
1:09:55magnetic component that's a absolutely
1:09:58standard for electromagnetic theory if I
1:10:00can just interject uh something simple
1:10:02for people that they may not be aware of
1:10:05that points this out all plants and
1:10:07trees follow the electric field toward
1:10:10the Sun but the magnetic field wraps
1:10:13itself around the earth so there you see
1:10:15that 90 degree angle trees are growing
1:10:18up straight out of the ground right
1:10:20toward the sun the sun literally has a
1:10:22levitational type energy but the
1:10:26electric field that's going vertically
1:10:28is 90° angle to the magnetic
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1:12:03it fits I have a couple of quick
1:12:06comments and a book to share okay so let
1:12:09me finish up the the concept here so
1:12:12most people have some idea of this
1:12:15transverse way now one way that these
1:12:18transverse ways Express themselves is
1:12:19literally through light that's a that's
1:12:22a transverse way
1:12:24then we have another typee of wave
1:12:26that's known to science that's called a
1:12:28longitudinal wave a longitudinal wave
1:12:31doesn't displace things at 90 degrees to
1:12:34its own line of travel it displaces
1:12:36things to travel parallel to it so
1:12:40transverse waves are
1:12:41perpendicular the longitudinal waves
1:12:44parallel now the example you always see
1:12:48in scientific text to describe a
1:12:49longitudinal wave as a sound wave and so
1:12:53if if we understand this then okay so if
1:12:56we look at this the way people are
1:12:58taught in school all we are taught is
1:13:01the electromagnetic spectrum right so
1:13:03there's a part of the electromagnetic
1:13:05spectrum that creates what we pick up in
1:13:08a Range as sound waves that's in a
1:13:11different part of the linear chart that
1:13:13we're all taught of the electromagnetic
1:13:16spectrum that's in a different part
1:13:18different frequency range than those
1:13:20waves that we pick up with our eyes in
1:13:23terms of light and color and so it's
1:13:25presented as this kind of of
1:13:27linear uh analysis and we would think oh
1:13:31well there it's all the same it's just a
1:13:32question of what is the
1:13:34frequency but in fact we now know it
1:13:36doesn't work that way there's some more
1:13:38complications to it there's there's more
1:13:40depth in Nature's design language than
1:13:44they told us in school because the way
1:13:46the sound waves move and create energy
1:13:50around it is completely opposite to the
1:13:52way that the light moves and creates
1:13:55movements around it so but nobody talks
1:13:57about this and nobody talks about this
1:13:59even in metaphysical healing circles we
1:14:02talk in abstract ways about there's
1:14:05sound healing and there's healing with
1:14:07light and color both systems that I
1:14:09absolutely love but we have to see that
1:14:12they are two separate systems working
1:14:14with two different types of waves when
1:14:16we move into a future Paradigm that is
1:14:18far more enlightened than what we have
1:14:20today where we're going to be using
1:14:22Energies for healing we're going to
1:14:25understand that these are two different
1:14:26types of waves we can use for healing
1:14:28and the effect of the sound waves may
1:14:30not be identical to the effect of the
1:14:32light and color waves not that one is
1:14:34better than the other but they're part
1:14:36of a more complex picture so if we think
1:14:39of the human being as being an energetic
1:14:41system there's going to be certain
1:14:43healing opportunities I believe that we
1:14:46get from the application of the
1:14:47longitudinal waves and sound waves
1:14:50particularly with the simatics because I
1:14:52totally agree with you that the simatics
1:14:54demonstrates perfectly the way that
1:14:57invisible energy waves will structure
1:15:00matter that the form of matter is an
1:15:04epiphenomenon of the energy of the wave
1:15:06the wave is causitive the the shape of
1:15:09the physical object is an effect that
1:15:12comes from the cause and so that's what
1:15:15you see all the time in simatics that as
1:15:17you're putting that sound frequency
1:15:19through a paste or a powder or something
1:15:22like that with one sound frequency it
1:15:24forms up physical matter into a specific
1:15:26shape change the sound frequency it
1:15:28gives a physical matter completely
1:15:30different shape this is the solution to
1:15:32how all physical forms get their shape
1:15:35it comes from the waves and so if we
1:15:39understand that now there's a very
1:15:41powerful growth from the simatic
1:15:44research called simma theapy with my
1:15:46friend Mandara Cromwell carrying on the
1:15:48work of Dr Peter guy manners and they
1:15:50have incredibly Advanced very very
1:15:53useful sound healing technology that
1:15:56uses a combination of specific sound
1:15:58waves to recreate the core frequency
1:16:02information that creates all these
1:16:04biological functions in the body and
1:16:07then you have all the the light and
1:16:09color therapies today which also include
1:16:12electromagnetic therapies the way we
1:16:14commonly describe them that includes
1:16:16microcurrent therapy that goes along
1:16:19with the light and color therapies that
1:16:21are transverse waves and that can also
1:16:23be incredibly powerful so I just wanted
1:16:26to get up to this point introduce what's
1:16:27coming later I'll turn it over to you
1:16:29here in a second uh just to show a
1:16:32progression of Concepts that lead us to
1:16:34where today we have practical
1:16:37Technologies of healing that are
1:16:39extremely non-invasive incredibly
1:16:41biologically active dealing with
1:16:44longitudinal waves sound healing and
1:16:47transverse waves light in color and
1:16:49microcurrent so I'll turn it back over
1:16:51to you because you said he had some some
1:16:53comments and uh a book to recommend yeah
1:16:56just a couple of thoughts you know we're
1:16:58talking about the collapse of the wave
1:17:01function and invisible becoming visible
1:17:05simatics you know here's a real
1:17:08practical example of the collapse of the
1:17:10wave function it's your thoughts that
1:17:13drive your posture and your gesture 55%
1:17:17of all language is nonverbal it's
1:17:20posture and gesture but you can't see
1:17:22your
1:17:23thoughts right and and your thoughts are
1:17:27actually more waves than they are
1:17:28anything else and and even though they
1:17:30see them on an electro andram that's
1:17:33that's another trick because they think
1:17:35oh look we can see your thoughts no
1:17:36you're seeing the effects of the
1:17:37thoughts the brain is responding that
1:17:40would be like saying look my
1:17:41oscillograph osilloscope is going up and
1:17:43down so I'm seeing the electricity well
1:17:46you're seeing the effects of electricity
1:17:48on the device that you're using and it's
1:17:50designed to give you that wave because
1:17:52that's how it's constructed just like
1:17:54your brain is constructed to receive
1:17:57these non-local thought waves that
1:18:00manifest you Steiner says thoughts are
1:18:02spirit and we don't have you know well
1:18:05biogeometry can measure Spirit but we
1:18:07don't have
1:18:08standard technical devices to measure
1:18:10spirit and another thought that I wanted
1:18:13to share is that your
1:18:15intention collapses the wave function
1:18:18what you intend takes pure potential and
1:18:21turns it into actuality so I do you
1:18:24agree with that absolutely I love that
1:18:26yes absolutely you know that's why I
1:18:27tell my students you must understand
1:18:30what the word intention means because
1:18:33God is zero God is neutral God is
1:18:38unconditional love if you want a simple
1:18:40so the zero force is all possibilities
1:18:43are available to you pure potential so
1:18:46the word intention means intention you
1:18:49take potential put it into tension and
1:18:52now spirit begins to flow and manifest
1:18:55which is no different than turning the
1:18:56dial on your tone generator and seeing
1:18:59what frequencies make different shapes
1:19:01except you are choosing what to manifest
1:19:05so the word intention means to put
1:19:08potential in tension and that's why we
1:19:10have to pay attention to what we do with
1:19:12our mind and earlier you were talking
1:19:14about the Russian scientist who I've
1:19:16studied a bunch of his work so I'm
1:19:18familiar with it and read all the
1:19:19studies comparing what happens with
1:19:21quartz versus G
1:19:23which is why when I charge healing
1:19:25medicines I use
1:19:27quartz uh vases to carry them in because
1:19:30I put them in my water charger and I
1:19:33direct very powerful healing crystals
1:19:35like Vogal cut crystals and I can
1:19:37amplify the power of anything radically
1:19:40I couple it with the biogeometry
1:19:42charging plate so I put the medicines on
1:19:45the biogeometry charging plate in a
1:19:48quartz a real quartz goblet then I
1:19:53direct crystals into it and then the
1:19:56water charger is pumping and then I
1:19:57Circle it with three gallon bottles of
1:20:00water so the water acts like a huge
1:20:02amplifier and it's wickedly powerful but
1:20:04going back to that concept there's a
1:20:07there's NE several books I've read
1:20:09talking about even how throughout
1:20:12history it was known by people not to
1:20:16let a baby be held by or near unhealthy
1:20:21people or even people in negative
1:20:23emotional states because it could affect
1:20:27the baby so strongly it could make it
1:20:29sick and so having studied torsion waves
1:20:34everything that you were talking about
1:20:35in the ultraviolet spectrum is is real
1:20:38but the torsion wave concept also could
1:20:40be very real and the research I read
1:20:43showed that torsion waves can be
1:20:44measured for 30 days for example if I
1:20:47get out of this chair right now you can
1:20:50actually
1:20:51measure a Paul Che sitting here for 30
1:20:55days in the torsion field and I know
1:20:58you'll know of this book but I want to
1:20:59let the listeners know because if you
1:21:01want a freaking good book that's about
1:21:03800 pages of research on life force the
1:21:06book's called life force by Claude
1:21:08Swanson who studied biogeometry as well
1:21:11yes I know Claud yes he was in one of
1:21:14Angie's
1:21:15classes and I tried to get him on the
1:21:17podcast but unfortunately he passed away
1:21:20have you got his book life force it's
1:21:23fantastic it's really an amazing
1:21:25collection yeah I used to read that
1:21:27thing in the sauna because it's so big I
1:21:29said I gotta work my way through this so
1:21:31every time I'd get in the sauna I'd read
1:21:33a research paper but it from sweating on
1:21:35it and being in the sauna it just
1:21:37disintegrated so I bought another copy
1:21:39for my library but some of the research
1:21:42in there is freaking mindblowing I mean
1:21:44it really is you read that and you
1:21:46realize people haven't got a
1:21:48clue what's going on man it's like when
1:21:49you start reading some of this research
1:21:51that never makes the mainstream science
1:21:54and it's good research too I mean this
1:21:56isn't stuff done by you know hippies in
1:21:59Grenada this is like seriously good
1:22:01research and you're just like oh my God
1:22:03we are so behind the power curve
1:22:05here where you were talking about the
1:22:07way that the thoughts are really waves
1:22:09and the brain is a receptor for it we
1:22:11had mentioned before you had brought up
1:22:12Michael tablet's book on the holographic
1:22:14Universe there's a fantastic section in
1:22:16there that I never forgot when I read
1:22:18this decades ago where he talked about
1:22:20the work of Sir John Eckles who won the
1:22:23Nobel Prize for his work in brain
1:22:25research and people would ask him after
1:22:27he won the Nobel Prize after examining
1:22:30the brain for so long to find the place
1:22:32that ignites the firing of neurons that
1:22:36creates a thought where did you find it
1:22:37and he said I found that there wasn't
1:22:39one I I found that there is a larger
1:22:42holographic field of energy around the
1:22:44human head that interacts with the head
1:22:47through a particular location of the
1:22:49brain where it takes this higher
1:22:51holographic field and then in a sense
1:22:53collapses it into the thoughts in the
1:22:55brain and the place that he refers to
1:22:58the supplementary motor area the SMA as
1:23:02the place that interacts with the
1:23:03holographic field and the brain and this
1:23:06is from the guy that won the Nobel Prize
1:23:07in brain research the supplemental motor
1:23:10area is the part of the brain directly
1:23:12beneath the Crown Center in the vadic
1:23:16medicine work in understanding the
1:23:18chakras so these things fit together
1:23:21absolutely perfectly thoughts definitely
1:23:23are of a non-material nature and the
1:23:25Brain acts as a receiver for them so I
1:23:27just want to follow up on that because
1:23:29that's one of my favorite things out of
1:23:30Michael tabit's book I think it's it's
1:23:32so useful so following up on this idea
1:23:35then that we have different types of
1:23:36waves and so I just want to say a little
1:23:39bit about these
1:23:40Technologies I'm going to be publishing
1:23:42on my website ves.org early in 20124
1:23:47hopefully it'll be in January or soon
1:23:49thereafter a type of resource guide for
1:23:5220 24 that tells people more about how
1:23:54to access these Technologies and some of
1:23:56those I recommend and just how to
1:23:58understand them a little bit better so
1:23:59we have the the simatics work which
1:24:03makes visible invisible waves it's an
1:24:06incredible body of work uh you mentioned
1:24:09our friend John Stewart Reed and you
1:24:12have his very Advanced device I want to
1:24:14make very clear for people that you know
1:24:16sometimes you'll see like you can buy
1:24:17like a boom box that has like some type
1:24:19of thing that will show you pictures
1:24:21with the sound that's just based on a
1:24:23computer program it's not showing you
1:24:25the actual vibrational Field image of
1:24:29that those vibrational waves simatics is
1:24:32showing you the actual image that is
1:24:35created by those vibrational waves like
1:24:37how they're created in water they are
1:24:39the actual structural waves coming from
1:24:41that sound then Dr Peter guy manners
1:24:44I've got a whole article about this on
1:24:46my website Dr Peter gr manners in
1:24:48Britain created simma theapy where he
1:24:51found that if you bring together five
1:24:53specific uh sound qualities together
1:24:57it's called The Secret of five you can't
1:24:58just do one sound it's five together
1:25:01create a composite wave that can
1:25:04recreate the actual vibrational field of
1:25:07all the major organs and biological
1:25:09systems in the human body based on the
1:25:11five waves you bring together it's very
1:25:13precise then after he lived to be over a
1:25:15hundred he passed on to my friend
1:25:18mandora Cromwell who now runs her
1:25:22simatech organization and she has
1:25:25created the first public devices in Sima
1:25:28theapy that anyone can use in their own
1:25:29home to get these composite sound waves
1:25:34for healing in the body it's one of my
1:25:36favorite energetic healing devices
1:25:37absolutely fantastic again I've got more
1:25:39information on the website before you go
1:25:41to the next type of wave I wanted to
1:25:43mention I have an absolutely excellent
1:25:45podcast with Jonathan Goldman on sound
1:25:48and sound in in healing and he recently
1:25:51released uh a course through uh The
1:25:54Shift Network on sound healing I mean if
1:25:59you don't know who Jonathan Goldman is
1:26:00he's been around for a long time he's
1:26:03got a lot of amazing CDs I listen to his
1:26:05work a lot when I write because it's so
1:26:07great for the from my mind when I'm
1:26:09working but anyhow um I just wanted to
1:26:12mention for listeners uh Jonathan
1:26:14Goldman's podcast with me is excellent
1:26:16and uh wonderful I think even you would
1:26:18enjoy it Robert I mean we we get we get
1:26:21we get down we get into it he told me
1:26:23after he wrote me and said that was the
1:26:25deepest podcast I've ever done ever he
1:26:27said I'm I'm I'm amazed you wanted to
1:26:29talk like that that most people can't
1:26:31understand that I said well my listeners
1:26:33will like it I love that I love that and
1:26:36John Stewart Reed also had a series on
1:26:39The Shift Network I I was on it as a
1:26:42guest presenter on sacred geometry so
1:26:45yeah these guys are really deep into it
1:26:46they know a lot about it I have a
1:26:48podcast with John Stewart Reed too oh
1:26:50it's really good his his I really like
1:26:52it him so we have the the longitudinal
1:26:55wave and uh I have suspicions about
1:26:59longitudinal waves that I'm not ready to
1:27:02scientifically present just yet but I do
1:27:05think the longitudinal waves may be
1:27:06connected to certain aspects of the
1:27:09biological life force in some cases
1:27:12that's more intimate than the connection
1:27:14that we have with the transverse waves
1:27:18but nonetheless the transverse waves are
1:27:20extremely powerful for he
1:27:22so with the transverse waves you have
1:27:24not only light and color therapy which
1:27:26tends to be more in somewhat
1:27:28metaphysical holistic health circles but
1:27:29you also have the development of modern
1:27:31microcurrent therapy now again when I
1:27:34publish this document early 2024 on my
1:27:36website I'll go into a lot more detail
1:27:38on this but just want people to be aware
1:27:39of the concept that tremendous research
1:27:42has been done in microcurrent therapy
1:27:44recently so musim people know about
1:27:46certain types of electromagnetic healing
1:27:48devices they think of tens devices tens
1:27:51devices put in the electromagnetic
1:27:52charge into the body to stop pain and
1:27:55they do that by overwhelming The
1:27:58receptors in the body with the 10 signal
1:28:01uh to stop the transmission of the pain
1:28:04signal but we have to be aware that
1:28:06although this could be very useful for
1:28:07getting out of pain it actually has a
1:28:10detrimental effect on the development of
1:28:13ATP in the body for cellular energy and
1:28:17also has a detrimental effect on the
1:28:19mitochondria because you're giving it
1:28:21like you're using like a Sledgehammer to
1:28:23like knock the the nerves to like stop
1:28:26transmitting the signal and it's like
1:28:28kind of numb at that point but but you
1:28:32can have microcurrent therapy which is a
1:28:35bare fraction of the amount of juice
1:28:38that's going into a tense therapy so
1:28:41microcurrent is literally microcurrent
1:28:42is very very very tiny charges because
1:28:45we need to be aware that the electrical
1:28:47and magnetic charges in the human body
1:28:50are extremely small
1:28:52incredibly biologically active but very
1:28:55very small if you apply really strong
1:28:57electromagnetic fields to the body it
1:28:59tends to be highly detrimental uh but
1:29:02you have very precisely engineered
1:29:05correct frequency very small inputs it
1:29:08will biologically steer the body in a
1:29:11way that is unbelievable it is really a
1:29:14coming it's what medicine should be
1:29:16moving toward right now it's incredible
1:29:18what they've been able to do so I want
1:29:20to mention just a few aspects of that
1:29:22field my friend Dr Jerry tenant in Texas
1:29:25who's written a series of books called
1:29:27healing is voltage healing got them yeah
1:29:29they're great he's amazing guy he's
1:29:32absolutely brilliant he's a walking
1:29:35testimonial to the work because he was
1:29:36sent home to die in his I believe in his
1:29:3950s from a pathogen that could not be
1:29:41eradicated that he had picked up in his
1:29:43medical work and he managed to knock it
1:29:45out completely and now I believe he's
1:29:48he's 80 and he's still working a full
1:29:50day every day he's doing great and he's
1:29:52an amazing amazing guy so the healing
1:29:55his voltage works by Jerry tenant go
1:29:57into this and he's got brilliant
1:30:00observations uh and he also has some of
1:30:02his own microcurrent devices that go
1:30:04with his particular healing system then
1:30:07you have the work of Carolyn MCM who has
1:30:11done if there was any justice that woman
1:30:13would have received a Nobel Prize for
1:30:16her work in identifying the specific
1:30:19frequencies that create all these
1:30:21different biolog iCal functions in the
1:30:22body it's mindblowing what's there she
1:30:25has a fantastic book for the public
1:30:27called the resonance effect and she has
1:30:30online training courses which are pretty
1:30:32technical on how to use what she calls
1:30:35frequency specific microcurrent so when
1:30:38you see the term FSM or frequency
1:30:41specific microcurrent that's the work
1:30:43coming directly from Carolyn MCM and
1:30:46she's worked within a standard medical
1:30:48model she works within standard medical
1:30:50circles and but she's always had to be
1:30:53very careful with this work because if
1:30:56they if they are too loud about what
1:30:59they can accomplish then of course you
1:31:01become a Target but they've managed to
1:31:04be doing this now for some decades with
1:31:06Incredible when you see what they've
1:31:08actually accomplished it's unbelievable
1:31:10but they're fairly quiet about it
1:31:11because we know how these things work I
1:31:13highly recommend looking up frequency
1:31:15specific medicine uh I'm sorry frequency
1:31:17specific microcurrent FSM Carolyn MCM
1:31:21getting her B on the resonance effect
1:31:23it's pretty stunning and then if you are
1:31:25motivated to train in the systems he has
1:31:28online classes to learn it but I will
1:31:30say it is fairly Technical and you
1:31:33cannot buy her devices to work on
1:31:35yourself unless you've done the whole
1:31:37training so for that you pretty much
1:31:39need to find like a practitioner unless
1:31:41you're really going to jump in with both
1:31:42feet then there are other makers of
1:31:45microcurrent devices and I've been
1:31:47evaluating them and their devices and
1:31:50again that's going to be in my report
1:31:51that's coming coming out very soon in
1:31:52early 2024 about people can access some
1:31:55more of this this technology but it
1:31:57really is in incredible work and I
1:31:59wanted to give people just some of these
1:32:01indications of places they could start
1:32:02looking if they didn't want to wait for
1:32:04the My article coming up that gives you
1:32:06more of the detail there's a couple of
1:32:08other resources I think that are great
1:32:10for developmental understanding and
1:32:12that's of course Robert o Becker's work
1:32:15absolutely I for what's the name of his
1:32:18first big popular book his book about
1:32:21the benefits of all of this is the Body
1:32:23Electric The Body Electric his book
1:32:25about the dangers of it is crosscurrents
1:32:28right and then prior to him is Harold
1:32:30Saxon Burr in his research on the L
1:32:33field I studied all of his books and
1:32:35research that's quite informative it's
1:32:38quite amazing you know he was a
1:32:39professor at Yale in 1947 some of the
1:32:42research he was doing was just
1:32:43mindboggling I don't even think they
1:32:45would let him do that research today
1:32:47they probably wouldn't but yeah the
1:32:49alfield research of Harold Saxton bur
1:32:52really laid the foundation for a lot of
1:32:54this work and it was coming out of the
1:32:56work before that with the Abrams device
1:32:58and people using in medical clinics
1:33:01these electrical device but of course
1:33:02pharmaceutical industry came after it
1:33:04they got the AMA to squash it destroy
1:33:06all the devices and this was a hundred
1:33:08years ago they tried to drive this back
1:33:10into the Dark Ages but it's back and
1:33:13it's fantastic what's available today if
1:33:15you know that it exists which most
1:33:16people will never hear about are you
1:33:18familiar with Harold Saxon B's research
1:33:21that he did on water and having his
1:33:24college students hold uh Mason jars of
1:33:28water and then taking mason jars of the
1:33:30same tap water to Psy Wards and having
1:33:34people that were put in the hospital and
1:33:36locked up in psychs hold the water and
1:33:38then watering the plants with it no but
1:33:41it makes perfect sense so what was the
1:33:43result when they watered the plants with
1:33:44that it's mindblowing what happened was
1:33:46is um when the college students held the
1:33:50water and the water plants they grew nor
1:33:51normally but when they watered it with
1:33:54the plant same genus of plants with the
1:33:56water held by psychically ill people the
1:33:59plants often didn't grow toward the sun
1:34:01their bodies were all gnarled and
1:34:03twisted they look like plants growing
1:34:05through near um negative energy lines in
1:34:08the earth lay lines with bad energy in
1:34:10them yeah yeah and so or electromagnetic
1:34:13fields yeah yes there the plants were
1:34:15very sick and there was pictures too but
1:34:18when I read that I'm like wow this guy
1:34:20was doing this in the 40s and he was
1:34:23showing beyond a shadow of a doubt that
1:34:25water carries psychic energy and it has
1:34:28a tremendous effect on on plants and I'm
1:34:31like that's very Advanced research all
1:34:34the way back then and hardly anybody
1:34:35knows about this stuff oh as soon as he
1:34:38left Yale they destroyed everything
1:34:40that's what always happens with these
1:34:42cases but this also applies to the
1:34:44biogeometry work because again with
1:34:46biogeometry we can detect the types of
1:34:48energetic radiations the subtle
1:34:50radiations two s will be picked up by
1:34:52electromagnetic equipment with the type
1:34:54of radiesthesia that we teach and we can
1:34:56actually see that every thought a person
1:34:58has every emotion a person has is
1:35:00creating a vibrational quality that is
1:35:03projected out of their energy field like
1:35:05an antenna so if you give that water to
1:35:07somebody who's mentally ill there's
1:35:10going to be very detrimental energy
1:35:11qualities getting infused into the water
1:35:13because water is a fantastic holder of
1:35:14vibrational information and so that
1:35:17experiment makes perfect sense
1:35:19absolutely and water's got a frequency
1:35:21receptive range of 65 octaves which
1:35:25that's a lot of frequency range I I got
1:35:28a friend of mine Sean oair who's been on
1:35:31my podcast too father Shan oair is a
1:35:32genius he's a mathematician and he he
1:35:35actually calculated what 65 octaves is
1:35:38and it was a number so big I don't even
1:35:40think there's a word for it yeah you
1:35:42know that's incredible this goes right
1:35:44back to the whole issue of not letting
1:35:46unhealthy people are negatively emot you
1:35:49know people with dark energies hold your
1:35:51baby because it transfers the the
1:35:53psychic energy goes right into the water
1:35:55of their bodies and Dr Kareem has even
1:35:57talked about this in biogeometry that in
1:35:59the ancient world they understood that
1:36:01there were certain dangers with getting
1:36:02secondhand items and so the Romans used
1:36:06to say that stones that people wear like
1:36:08jewelry will carry the sins of their
1:36:11owners because we'll Infuse the stuff
1:36:13with our energies as we're we're wearing
1:36:15it but again that's one of the
1:36:17incredible things about the biogeometry
1:36:19work people can learn for themselves to
1:36:21detect these subtle energies and you
1:36:23would never know by looking at it but
1:36:25one particular Stone will have a
1:36:27tremendously beneficial energy vibration
1:36:30coming from it another was worn by a
1:36:31sick person for a long time and you test
1:36:34it and is full of very very toxic
1:36:36vibrational qualities so the ability to
1:36:40perceive in The Invisible world with the
1:36:43radiesthesia in in biogeometry is
1:36:46something that is of incredible value
1:36:48because now you can tell what invisible
1:36:50waves and what their energetic effects
1:36:52are in any person place or thing that's
1:36:55really where we're moving to that's what
1:36:57I want listeners to really understand is
1:36:59that we have a lot of this in place
1:37:00right now that they can start learning
1:37:02and start applying in their own lives
1:37:04it's interesting too because when I
1:37:07teach Angie my wife and I who's a shaman
1:37:09and I teach classes on sound healing and
1:37:12one of the things we bring up is is for
1:37:14for those practicing Shamanism and sound
1:37:17healing is you have to make a decision
1:37:19as to whether you are not you want to
1:37:22let other people handle your your
1:37:24healing tools whether it be healing
1:37:27wands crystals and stuff because they're
1:37:29going to pick up other people's energies
1:37:31so there's I think it's a personal
1:37:34distinction but you need to be conscious
1:37:36of that if you're a Healer because if
1:37:37someone unhealthy is handling your tools
1:37:40you you can pick up that energy and if
1:37:42you're not cleaning them uh they can be
1:37:44impregnated with negative energies even
1:37:46though you think you're uh doing sound
1:37:49healing and you made me think of I read
1:37:52years ago I was doing some reading on
1:37:54these types of things and they brought
1:37:57up a comment from a a man I can't
1:38:01remember the man's name but it was like
1:38:03a long time ago maybe in the 1800s but
1:38:06there was this famous wealthy person who
1:38:09would buy
1:38:11art but he would not buy it if it had
1:38:13been looked at by anybody other than the
1:38:15artist because he said that the it
1:38:18impregnated the art with the psychic
1:38:20energy of the people and he wanted his
1:38:22art to be clean and pure so he would
1:38:25only buy art from the artist if nobody
1:38:28else had seen it so you get these people
1:38:30from a long time ago that were very
1:38:32tapped in I mean that's pushing things
1:38:34to an extreme but it goes to show you
1:38:36that these psychic energies impregnate
1:38:39everything around us absolutely and
1:38:42something that you know what you find
1:38:44today is people in holistic health the
1:38:47metaphysical circles were always very
1:38:49concerned about about what external
1:38:53energies could be affecting us but we
1:38:55rarely ever discuss how is my weird
1:38:58energy potentially affecting other
1:39:00people I somehow we forget that I try to
1:39:04they're so narcissistic somehow just
1:39:06assume we're always perfect in the way
1:39:08we're affecting other people there's
1:39:10other people we got to worry about but
1:39:12it is something I try to bring up in all
1:39:13my classes is that we have to clean up
1:39:15our own act and make sure that what
1:39:17we're projecting out of our own Fields
1:39:19is something that's beneficial to
1:39:20everybody and again through things like
1:39:22the biogeometry radius seizure we can
1:39:24actually very quickly and easily detect
1:39:26what we are broadcasting outward and
1:39:29also pick up certain disturbances in our
1:39:30own energy body before they become more
1:39:33serious because it'll start as a
1:39:35vibrational shift before it has any
1:39:37physically detectable
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1:41:11gut well Robert this is all super
1:41:13fascinating my next topic of discussion
1:41:17relates to health and illness a lot of
1:41:19people think that health is considered
1:41:21the opposite of illness I feel that
1:41:23illness and disease can be great
1:41:25opportunities for Spiritual Awakening
1:41:28and before you share your thoughts on
1:41:32the issues of illness and diseases as
1:41:34doorways to spiritual growth I'd like to
1:41:37give credit to somebody whose work
1:41:39touched my life quite deeply and I don't
1:41:42know if you know who she is are you
1:41:44familiar with the holistic nurse she's
1:41:46long gone now but her name was Margaret
1:41:49Newman no I think her book is health is
1:41:52health is consciousness but Margaret
1:41:55Newman was a holistic nurse who worked
1:41:58for 35 years to try to help hospitals
1:42:02understand the effects of Consciousness
1:42:04on people's health and the importance of
1:42:06how nurses work with
1:42:08people a great book um I think I I'll
1:42:12I'll get the resource for the book and
1:42:14I'll email it to you because it's quite
1:42:16good she draws heavily on itac bov's
1:42:18work um and many other people's uh work
1:42:22in
1:42:23Consciousness very evolved woman but
1:42:26when I read her
1:42:28work it really was a shift for me
1:42:31because she gave a number of cases
1:42:34talking about
1:42:36how she felt that illness was often as
1:42:40much of a gift to some people as it was
1:42:44a challenge because without it they
1:42:46wouldn't have made the transition into
1:42:49becoming more conscious I about what
1:42:51caused the illness about doing the work
1:42:55to get healthy so that they can then be
1:42:57living examples guides and therapists
1:42:59for other people having empathy and
1:43:02compassion for other people so she
1:43:04really took illness out of the Paradigm
1:43:08of the opposite of health and actually
1:43:12put illness almost as a category
1:43:16of being healthy if you deal with the
1:43:20ill in ways that ultimately produce
1:43:23health and higher Consciousness you
1:43:25understand what I'm saying here
1:43:26absolutely yes I'm just curious on how
1:43:28you feel about that um I think it's an
1:43:30important discussion to have because in
1:43:33our in our culture people want to get
1:43:36rid of the illness by knocking it out
1:43:38they want to go pay a doctor or a
1:43:40therapist and I think this applies to
1:43:42all this biohacking and even sometimes
1:43:45these frequency devices I mean I'm hip
1:43:47to a lot of this stuff I you know you
1:43:48know I've studied a lot and practice
1:43:50I've been around for a long time but I
1:43:52think even if you can get rid of your
1:43:54symptoms and make yourself feel better
1:43:56if you don't really get to the positive
1:44:00forces within yourself you know we're
1:44:02talking about thoughts feelings emotions
1:44:05beliefs absolutely belief Systems pass
1:44:08down through the family I think you you
1:44:10can feel good for a while but you you
1:44:12know you're not
1:44:13really getting over it and you can also
1:44:17suppress one mode of Express
1:44:21say someone's got Crohn's disease but
1:44:23then you use various Technologies and it
1:44:26looks like it's healed but it then comes
1:44:28out as some other kind of pathology
1:44:29because you haven't really dealt with
1:44:30the core energies so love to hear you
1:44:33sort of share your thoughts in this
1:44:35regard okay thank you no I totally agree
1:44:37with you on this it's something where I
1:44:40believe in the ancient world they they
1:44:43definitely had a understanding that
1:44:47illnesses can be a reflection of things
1:44:51going on below the surface of the
1:44:53individual in a way that brings it up to
1:44:56Consciousness where it can be addressed
1:44:59and so you know there was a a European
1:45:01book some years ago called blessed by
1:45:03illness that is working with these types
1:45:05of classical Concepts that we will
1:45:09sometimes develop these illness
1:45:11challenges based on whatever are the
1:45:14issues that we have not addressed
1:45:16internally so this also then becomes
1:45:18linked to mindfulness which we'll get
1:45:19into in just moment but the basic idea
1:45:22here is that in the ancient world they
1:45:25understood that part of the process of
1:45:27human alchemical development in a
1:45:30physical body in the physical world is
1:45:32what they called initiation trials so
1:45:35that we are going to have certain
1:45:36challenges brought to us in a way that
1:45:40is going to make us step up to the next
1:45:43level of functioning by overcoming that
1:45:46challenge mean like one we're going to
1:45:48right now in the world exactly so you
1:45:51know we can't develop true discernment
1:45:54unless we live in a world full of lies
1:45:56and Distortion right Steiner talks a lot
1:45:58about that and and so you know it's
1:46:01spiritual weightlifting yes that's the
1:46:04name of my new book series I love it
1:46:07spirit gy I love it we just like we get
1:46:10a stronger physical body resisting
1:46:12physical weights we have to have these
1:46:13other types of resistances to develop
1:46:16real Dynamic strength with it and so
1:46:19there we always have the challenge with
1:46:21these types of concepts of finding the
1:46:24center in the concept and not going to a
1:46:27polarized view of it so on the one hand
1:46:30you have the modern Western Medical view
1:46:32of it which is all your illnesses are
1:46:35just some random abstract thing has
1:46:37nothing to do with you although in some
1:46:40cases they might say well your lung
1:46:41cancer is linked to the fact that you're
1:46:43smoking too many cigarettes or something
1:46:44but other than that they don't really
1:46:46look too much at the person certainly
1:46:48not at their psychology or their
1:46:50emotions or something like that to be a
1:46:53cause causitive factor for a certain
1:46:55type of physical ailment so at them it's
1:46:58all mechanical it's all external and
1:47:01then on the other hand we had the
1:47:04acknowledgment of how people can create
1:47:07their own challenges with what they hold
1:47:10in their emotional body and their mental
1:47:11body Etc that came into metaphysics and
1:47:14I remember a couple of decades ago was a
1:47:15very common thing to find in
1:47:17metaphysical circles that if someone had
1:47:20a particular type of uh illness
1:47:23challenge that you'd you'd get always in
1:47:26some group somebody would in a rather
1:47:28flippant off-hand way say oh why did you
1:47:31create that yeah or it's your karma man
1:47:35yeah but it was kind of like a thing
1:47:37about a kind of a non-comp passionate
1:47:40view of like oh well whatever your
1:47:42challenge is you created that and
1:47:45invited you do it type of thing but it
1:47:47wasn't necessarily coming from a place
1:47:49of heartfelt compass passion no or
1:47:51empathy not empathy it wasn't empathy it
1:47:53was coming from typ of smartass approach
1:47:55to the whole thing and I didn't think
1:47:57that was particularly helpful for people
1:47:59who are like suffering tremendously
1:48:02because because yes we we have these
1:48:06challenges that we often self-generate
1:48:08but we self-generated these things
1:48:10through coping mechanisms to overcome
1:48:13trauma and suffering in our lives like
1:48:17when we were a child we learned to hold
1:48:19back the energy in a certain part of the
1:48:21body because it wasn't safe to express
1:48:22it or whatever it is that's a suffering
1:48:24the person has it leads to an illness
1:48:26down the road but just to like blame
1:48:29them for it I don't find this a
1:48:31particularly helpful approach but if we
1:48:33can Empower them with compassion that
1:48:37you know this is something that was a
1:48:39pattern put into you a long time ago
1:48:41that you weren't even conscious of and
1:48:42you may not be conscious of it now if
1:48:44you become conscious of it rather than
1:48:46trying to avoid it like I don't want to
1:48:48see that thing if you go into it and go
1:48:52out the other side that thing will turn
1:48:55inside out and the hidden gift inside of
1:48:58it will be will be present so when you
1:49:02find people with extraordinary gifts it
1:49:05often came from having lost a particular
1:49:09fundamental function for a period of
1:49:11time and then when they got it back they
1:49:14were so conscious of what they had lost
1:49:17that they have it at a higher level
1:49:19example siner talks about the way that
1:49:22the reason for monks taking vows of
1:49:24Silence in the Middle Ages is that by
1:49:28losing that expression that capacity
1:49:32they became hyper aware of the power of
1:49:35speech and so the way he describes it is
1:49:37they did it so they would develop
1:49:39magical powers of speech in future
1:49:42incarnations by losing it now so we
1:49:45always have to see things in that larger
1:49:47comic karmic context yes context of how
1:49:51is this going to play out for the person
1:49:53over a greater span of time and so if we
1:49:57see things from that perspective we can
1:49:58also see that people may choose to take
1:50:00on certain karmic challenges that
1:50:03weren't even
1:50:04self-generated it could be some type of
1:50:06Health Challenge that maybe they didn't
1:50:08generate it it did come from the
1:50:10outside or they're put in a family
1:50:13situation they didn't create that bad
1:50:15Dynamic but now you got to deal with it
1:50:17you're you're stuck in the middle of it
1:50:19because it's like
1:50:20person going to the gym and saying I'm
1:50:22going to take twice as many weights on
1:50:25my bar as the person next to me so that
1:50:27I can I can develop that much faster
1:50:30than the other person it's going to hurt
1:50:32it's not going to be fun but I'll
1:50:35develop faster if I do that and
1:50:37sometimes this comes
1:50:39from I we see sometimes as oh a person's
1:50:42dysfunctional they're creating a
1:50:43dysfunctional life that can certainly
1:50:45happen we're not ruling that out but
1:50:47there's also the aspect that some people
1:50:49who are very Advanced spiritually very
1:50:53developed you find them having all types
1:50:54of horrible challenges in their lives
1:50:57that come from something that they took
1:51:00on in this lifetime to develop their
1:51:02strength as quickly as possible and
1:51:05sometimes this actually comes from
1:51:07compassion within that person that
1:51:09before Incarnation they chose that
1:51:11challenge out of compassion because they
1:51:13knew at a future lifetime they would
1:51:16need that skill that they were going to
1:51:18develop that strength they were by going
1:51:20through this horrible thing at a future
1:51:23time to be able to help others if they
1:51:25didn't go through it now they wouldn't
1:51:27have developed that skill for when they
1:51:28need it then this is something that I
1:51:30think is a very deep spiritual concept
1:51:32that should give us some hesitancy in
1:51:35being too flippant with other people
1:51:36about their particular illness or other
1:51:39life challenges yes we develop a lot of
1:51:42the stuff ourselves even so I'm not a
1:51:44big fan of blaming the victim but
1:51:46empowering them with understanding this
1:51:48can be shifted you can work with this
1:51:51and also understanding that in some
1:51:53cases people take on these tremendous
1:51:55challenges in their life situation Etc
1:51:58that you can see in many cases people
1:52:00are creating this problem in their lives
1:52:02because of their dysfunctional way of
1:52:03living but in other cases it's like I
1:52:05don't see where this person is creating
1:52:06this it's it's something that's coming
1:52:08to them but it's to it's to strengthen
1:52:11them that you know whatever does not
1:52:13destroy me makes me stronger right and
1:52:15so this is definitely a part of that and
1:52:18so even in many systems they have
1:52:20systems of body reading and face reading
1:52:23where you can tell a lot about a
1:52:24person's character and Spiritual
1:52:27Development Etc by things that are
1:52:29present in their their face and their
1:52:31body and that's because part of this
1:52:33whole process of why are we incarnating
1:52:35physically to begin with there's many
1:52:36all kinds of higher beings that aren't
1:52:38incarnating physically and they're doing
1:52:40all kinds of things why are we doing it
1:52:42part of it is it develops the will
1:52:44forces to tremendous levels are going
1:52:47through this but also has the effect
1:52:49effect that it reflects to us our level
1:52:53of development through what we see
1:52:55externally that sometimes there's all
1:52:58these things that we can see externally
1:52:59whether it's in health challenges or the
1:53:01structure of the physical body or
1:53:02something like that that makes visible
1:53:04and unavoidable something in our own
1:53:07challenges of development where we
1:53:08became too one-sided one way or another
1:53:12and that gets externally reflected to us
1:53:14so all these things are part of the
1:53:16Journey of human Incarnation and human
1:53:18life to become more self aware which
1:53:20then leads us into the importance of
1:53:22mindfulness because much of this is done
1:53:24by Spirit to make us conscious of
1:53:27something we must be conscious of to
1:53:29overcome something that's holding us
1:53:31back and develop our potential to the
1:53:33highest level and if we can in our
1:53:36mindfulness see it and shift it
1:53:39ourselves they may not have to give us
1:53:41that horrific life situation that we
1:53:44prefer not to go through in the School
1:53:46of Hard knots we might not have to go
1:53:48through that particular terrible ill
1:53:50because we already shifted the
1:53:51background conditions in our mind and
1:53:53our emotions that we're we're dealing
1:53:55with here I I wanted to ask you that
1:53:58question because I knew you'd have some
1:54:00powerful things to say a couple of
1:54:02things came up for me one in yogananda's
1:54:06writings he talks about how for certain
1:54:09people he would absorb their karma into
1:54:11himself and he would deal with it inside
1:54:13of himself because he felt some people
1:54:17had traumas and experiences that they
1:54:20shouldn't have to carry so for key
1:54:23people he would bring that into them him
1:54:25and he would deal with it as a very very
1:54:29Advanced Master Yogi uh in him in his
1:54:33own body he would take it on so there's
1:54:35that the other thing is this is my
1:54:37experience I'm curious to hear your
1:54:39thoughts to it and I think the concept
1:54:42of the physical is a relative concept
1:54:44you you mention the other beings in
1:54:46other dimensions that may not take on
1:54:48physical bodies but you know I I'm a
1:54:51remote viewer and I've done lot I do
1:54:53lots of work in the astral plane in fact
1:54:55I work in it most days and I can be in
1:54:57the astral world and be in my what I
1:55:00call my light body or Spirit body and
1:55:02things are just as physical there as
1:55:05they are here because when I bring my
1:55:07vibration to to a to sympathetic
1:55:10resonance with the astral world uh
1:55:13there's I can sit in tables and chairs
1:55:15and have meetings with people just like
1:55:17I'm talking to you now so I think
1:55:20our concept of the physical has kind of
1:55:23got this limited viewpoint on it because
1:55:27from my own practices and spiritual
1:55:29experiences I can tell you I can have
1:55:32meetings with people in what we would
1:55:34call other dimensions in fact I had a
1:55:36meeting with Carl Yung recently and had
1:55:39a very interesting conversation with him
1:55:41because I was curious what he's doing
1:55:43now and I won't go into the whole
1:55:46discussion but I'm sitting there with
1:55:48Carl Yung and and here he's he's in
1:55:51another body and he's telling me what's
1:55:54going on I Could Touch the table he was
1:55:57sitting at so on and so forth so I think
1:56:00we you know one of the ways I give this
1:56:02as an analogy to my students say okay
1:56:04look here's a here's a video game what
1:56:06you're looking at on the screen is just
1:56:08a bunch of photons but if I could turn
1:56:11you into a video game player and put you
1:56:14in the game then that car this guy's
1:56:17driving would be a car to you just like
1:56:19car is to me here because you'd be in
1:56:22sympathetic resonance so what's physical
1:56:25is relative to the vibrational level
1:56:28you're at before I move on to my other
1:56:30points what do you think about that now
1:56:32I think it's extremely interesting so
1:56:34this gets into the whole issue of we
1:56:37have the dense physical plane and then
1:56:39we have the reflection of the dense
1:56:41physical plane at a certain level of the
1:56:43astral plane to where things are they're
1:56:45like they're solid now this is something
1:56:47that is simply part of the way the world
1:56:50exists some higher planes things are
1:56:52much more immaterial you have much more
1:56:55interpenetration of beings and combinen
1:56:58where the the subtle bodies can
1:57:00interpenetrate and become one and
1:57:03doesn't have the type of spatial
1:57:04separation so this has to do with sacred
1:57:06geometry of space and time that operates
1:57:08on the astral as well as it does on the
1:57:11physical and so we have aspects of the
1:57:14astral that operate as if they were a
1:57:16physical plane now this is something
1:57:18that is known to initiates as something
1:57:20that they sometimes need to navigate
1:57:22also to help people so what can happen
1:57:24if a person let's say they're highly
1:57:26materialistic in their physical life and
1:57:29they have no concept of a higher
1:57:30spiritual world where you're in a light
1:57:32body that is not physical and there are
1:57:34not things that are like a physical
1:57:36world around you they're much more
1:57:39Dynamic and intangible and things like
1:57:41that but they maybe they can't operate
1:57:43on that plane just yet they don't have a
1:57:45level of development that they can even
1:57:47understand the Dynamics that op
1:57:49operating on that plane so people cross
1:57:51the threshold all they know is physical
1:57:53life physical world and what happens is
1:57:56that they can do something that the
1:57:57great Greek Christian hermetic initiate
1:58:00daskalos refer to as creating shell
1:58:05Hells yeah a shell hell is where a
1:58:08person basically recreates their
1:58:10physical environment from where they
1:58:12lived in the physical world as a
1:58:14structure on the astral plane and they
1:58:17can get stuck there for a very long time
1:58:19and they think I'm I'm still alive I'm
1:58:21still living because they've
1:58:22reconstructed it like a shadow of the
1:58:24physical plane on the astral and Das
1:58:26also talk about he'd have to go to these
1:58:28places and talk to the people and say
1:58:30hey I got news for you you're actually
1:58:32dead and you've constructed the shell
1:58:34hell on the astral plane as a place that
1:58:37you can operate but you actually need to
1:58:39go on to this higher world for some of
1:58:42these other processes that are that are
1:58:44present here and this also then connects
1:58:47to the Tibetan teachings about the bar
1:58:49BOS and about what types of bardos exist
1:58:53and there are some that are very similar
1:58:55to the physical plane and some that have
1:58:57very little in common with the physical
1:58:58plane at all that are very highly
1:59:00elevated interesting thing about this is
1:59:03when I was on the one of the podcast for
1:59:06the Oxford psychedelic Society recently
1:59:09uh talking about psychotropic use they
1:59:12had on a another presenter who runs the
1:59:16qualia institute in California great
1:59:19and he was talking about his research
1:59:21into levels of DMT experience and and he
1:59:24was able to typify it as the types of
1:59:26rooms you go into based on the level of
1:59:29dosage and it was like so interesting to
1:59:32see how this kind of correlates to the
1:59:33seven planes model based on the level of
1:59:35dosage people have with the DMT to where
1:59:38sometimes it's like very much like
1:59:39physical plane and sometimes there was
1:59:40like a whole another thing extremely
1:59:42expanded and so I do think it's very
1:59:45useful for people to hear about the
1:59:47types of things we're discussing now
1:59:49because we don't always have I think a a
1:59:52very well-laid out explanation in our
1:59:55modern Western Society about what
1:59:57non-physical Realms look like and what
2:00:00they can be experienced like and there's
2:00:01such a great variety of them that they
2:00:03can go from those that are quite
2:00:04physicalized to those that are not very
2:00:06physical at all a thought that came to
2:00:09me I'd like to hear your thoughts on is
2:00:13I would consider when I'm traveling and
2:00:16working with other people be it Spirit
2:00:18guides or like I mentioned I was talking
2:00:21to Y see here we're we we relate in
2:00:25space time you know I know you're I
2:00:28don't know if you're in Las Vegas or
2:00:29where you're at right now but for me to
2:00:31actually touch Robert physically I have
2:00:33to travel a long way through space which
2:00:36takes time time time here is all based
2:00:39on relationships but I feel from my
2:00:43understanding of time space that when
2:00:45I'm working in these astral Dimensions
2:00:48or higher vibrational Dimensions I'm
2:00:50more in a time space Dimension because
2:00:53it's like a dream where you can actually
2:00:56or even like a DMT Journey you you you
2:00:59know a DMT Journey Only usually lasts
2:01:01about 12 minutes but it can seem like a
2:01:06lifetime you know so there you're in
2:01:08time space like you can be driving your
2:01:12car you're moving in space time but be
2:01:16daydreaming and not even realize you
2:01:18just went to an intersection and can't
2:01:20remember if the light was green or red
2:01:21and go holy so you went from space
2:01:25time driving the car to time space where
2:01:27you're having a completely different
2:01:29experience so I have a feeling
2:01:32intuitively that this these higher
2:01:35vibrational planes a lot of them are
2:01:37nested in our soul Spirit as time space
2:01:43versus Space time I'm just curious what
2:01:46your thoughts in that regard are yes I
2:01:48think this goes back to you have the the
2:01:52top down View and you have the bottom up
2:01:54view so that the time structure I
2:01:59believe it precedes the space structure
2:02:02but they both are based on sacred
2:02:04geometry from where we are in in our
2:02:06spatial World We tend to think first of
2:02:09the spatial world and then time like for
2:02:12me to go from this space of that space
2:02:13it takes that amount of time but from a
2:02:16higher perspective this whole time thing
2:02:18becomes a whole different world so one
2:02:21of my favorite topics in spiritual
2:02:23science is the concept of the initiation
2:02:26known as the vision of the eagle so the
2:02:29vision of the eagle initiation is where
2:02:32if we think of time as a river using a
2:02:34metaphor of a physical River and time is
2:02:37the river most people are standing on
2:02:40the bank of the river and they see this
2:02:42this one moment in time every
2:02:44presentation I do I talk about momento
2:02:45Mor remember that you will die we're in
2:02:48here for a very short time I often like
2:02:49to say that that life is a limited time
2:02:52opportunity you better make good use of
2:02:54your time here because it's it's a
2:02:55finite resource and normally we're only
2:02:58aware of this exact moment in time right
2:03:00now and then all sudden we wake up and
2:03:02we're old and maybe we're going to croak
2:03:03and like ah what's GNA happen so but if
2:03:06we actually move our Consciousness up
2:03:08like an eagle does and goes above the
2:03:11river it can see the River from its
2:03:13beginning to the end and that's where
2:03:15you see all these incredible classical
2:03:17spiritual texts that are from a
2:03:19perspective outside of time where time
2:03:23is just another sacred geometry
2:03:24structure just like space that the
2:03:27spatial events will occur inside of that
2:03:30container and this also begins to give
2:03:32us some insight into the simultaneity of
2:03:37time so one sign of a person having
2:03:39reached a higher state of consciousness
2:03:41is that they can attain certain states
2:03:44where time was simultaneous past present
2:03:46future they're all happening at the same
2:03:48moment
2:03:49one thing I really appreciated about the
2:03:51graphic novel Watchman by Alan Moore is
2:03:54when he describes this being Dr
2:03:56Manhattan who like became like a super
2:03:58being in like a Manhattan experiment
2:04:01type of nuclear thing he's got to try to
2:04:03figure out how to navigate in the world
2:04:06when he has simultaneous consciousness
2:04:09of past moments of time present moment
2:04:11of time and future moments of time so at
2:04:13the same moment that he's meeting a
2:04:15woman he's experiencing making love with
2:04:18her in the initial stages experiencing
2:04:21the fighting with her at a later stage
2:04:23and experiencing the end of the
2:04:24relationship in a terrible breakup at a
2:04:26later time but it's all simultaneous and
2:04:29so one of the big things about higher
2:04:31Consciousness is developing mobility in
2:04:34time to where we put our Consciousness
2:04:36and even being able to see whole time
2:04:38structures and how they fit together
2:04:41huge topic but one that I find endlessly
2:04:43fascinating and I think it's extremely
2:04:45interesting that Dr Ibraham kareim
2:04:47founder of biog GE ometry his master
2:04:50textbook that he just put out called
2:04:52hidden reality is all about these
2:04:54aspects of space and time and navigation
2:04:57of them I'm I to just put in a quick
2:04:59plug here that I've been communicating
2:05:01with Ibraham recently and he's planning
2:05:03to come to the United States to offer a
2:05:05special topics course for the people
2:05:07that have completed the Advanced
2:05:10Training in biogeometry which you can do
2:05:11online he's going to Now setting that up
2:05:14for him to come and teach in the United
2:05:16States for the first time and I don't
2:05:18know how many years 10 years or
2:05:20something that's going to be the current
2:05:23schedule that could change is September
2:05:252024 and he's going to be going into
2:05:28very deep aspects of these processes so
2:05:30I love this whole topic about SpaceTime
2:05:32Dynamics and things like biogeometry we
2:05:35can make it quite practical and it's a
2:05:37lot of what's coming down the pike in
2:05:38the next levels of
2:05:39biogeometry just for listeners because
2:05:42time space is quite confusing for a lot
2:05:44of people because we're so kind of
2:05:47conditioned into SpaceTime
2:05:49so I would just share this with everyone
2:05:51listening whatever you're doing right
2:05:53now unless you're driving if you're
2:05:55driving just listen don't do it but if
2:05:58you just expand your awareness to the
2:06:00surface of your body you can say okay
2:06:03I'm aware of my body but now expand your
2:06:05awareness to fill the room of your house
2:06:09now expand your awareness to fill the
2:06:12yard or the outer
2:06:14area and if you keep going you can
2:06:18expand yourself to the very outer edges
2:06:20of the physical
2:06:22universe so now what you see is that you
2:06:25are not in a space-time relationship
2:06:28because to travel to the outer edges of
2:06:29the universe would take you longer than
2:06:31you could ever even calculate moving at
2:06:33the speed of light I mean you could
2:06:34calculate it but I mean it takes you
2:06:36about a hundred over a hundred years
2:06:38just to get out of the Milky Way galaxy
2:06:40moving at the speed of light and there's
2:06:41about I don't know two trillion galaxies
2:06:44last time they counted and it gets
2:06:45bigger every time we big build a bigger
2:06:47telescope but there you can see that
2:06:51time space allows you to manipulate
2:06:54space within the time that you have
2:06:57within your own mind where in space time
2:07:00you're bound by the physical
2:07:02relationship so I just wanted to share
2:07:04that as a sort of a simple exercise and
2:07:06like I said you can Daydream and have a
2:07:09whole experience while you're driving
2:07:10your car and not even realize that you
2:07:13just made love to somebody while you
2:07:14were you know driving The Last Mile and
2:07:17lived half a lifetime them so there's
2:07:19time space versus Space time I
2:07:21remembered Margaret Newman's book it's
2:07:23Health as the name is Health as
2:07:25expanding Consciousness and I wanted to
2:07:27bring up a point on our topic of
2:07:32illnesses as spiritual opportunities
2:07:35versus Health versus illness Yung
2:07:37describes at many places in his work how
2:07:40a Neurosis is an essential means of
2:07:43dissipating psychic energy like
2:07:46problematic psychic energy things are
2:07:48having a hard time facing or they don't
2:07:50want to face or they don't have the
2:07:53sense or Consciousness that they can
2:07:55resolve so the Neurosis is sort of like
2:07:57a relief valve just like a semi Tru when
2:07:59the air tanks reach 140 PSI you hear
2:08:04because it's got to release the air or
2:08:05the tank will explode so a Neurosis is
2:08:08really the release valve and this is why
2:08:10we have a lot of of you know skin
2:08:13conditions and digestive troubles and a
2:08:15whole long Litany of of these things
2:08:18because these are symptoms of release
2:08:20and Yung says that most people without
2:08:23their neurosises would commit suicide he
2:08:25said Neurosis is actually a healthy
2:08:28thing to have because when you have a
2:08:30Neurosis you can still work with what's
2:08:32going on versus waiting till you kill
2:08:36yourself because you just can't take it
2:08:38anymore so you can see that a lot of
2:08:41people go to doctors and therapists for
2:08:44illnesses that are actually in
2:08:46neurosis and they're trying to actually
2:08:48knock out the
2:08:50symptoms which for me as a therapist I
2:08:52never do that I always say we have to
2:08:54work backward to see what it is that
2:08:57this is a symptom of which is why I use
2:08:59art therapy and journaling and plant
2:09:03medicines and every other mechanism for
2:09:05getting into their unconscious and soul
2:09:07connection and Tarot and I mean there's
2:09:10a lot of ways to to get down inside the
2:09:12basement and you know the the the the
2:09:15things that people learn are often very
2:09:18much mindblowing I mean you you know you
2:09:19can learn past life stuff I've had you
2:09:23know I do past life regressions for
2:09:24people when it's necessary but I've had
2:09:28people for example that died in wars one
2:09:31of my patients had chronic stomach pain
2:09:33and nothing we were doing was resolving
2:09:35and I just connected to that person's
2:09:38soul and said you know what's going on
2:09:39and their soul said look this person was
2:09:42wounded by a spear in a past life now I
2:09:45didn't tell him this and I said well
2:09:48should I do a past life regression and I
2:09:50did and sure enough my patient started
2:09:53going into severe pain and and was just
2:09:56crying and buckling over and I said what
2:09:58are you
2:09:59experiencing and my patient said to me
2:10:02Paul I'm I'm in a battlefield and
2:10:04somebody has just drove one of these
2:10:06long Spears right through my
2:10:08stomach and I I'm I'm dying and I said
2:10:12well pull the spear out now that you
2:10:15know that you've are wounded there pull
2:10:18the spear out and let's see what happens
2:10:21and so the client went through the act
2:10:24of pulling the spear out and after we
2:10:27did the regression and I did some
2:10:29integration work with this client their
2:10:31stomach problem went away they had had
2:10:34this for years and I've had I could sit
2:10:36here and give you a dozen more cases
2:10:38like that so I think there's a lot of
2:10:40these things that we a lot of the
2:10:43standard approach to Healing is too
2:10:45shallow you know we don't have enough
2:10:47depth and I think a lot of that has
2:10:49right to do with the scientific
2:10:51materialistic mindset I think it's
2:10:53trapping Us in flatland and too small of
2:10:56a
2:10:57reality and unfortunately you know the
2:11:00world economic forum and the globalists
2:11:02are trying to cement us right into that
2:11:05reality and I think this is why I like
2:11:07having conversations with people like
2:11:09you because it helps us
2:11:12see beyond the limitations of just a
2:11:15physical world but if we don't start
2:11:17relating to ourselves and relating to
2:11:19each other in a more multi-dimensional
2:11:23perspective we aren't going to ever
2:11:25really achieve the kind of Freedom that
2:11:27we're capable of and that that sets us
2:11:29right up for my next question are you
2:11:32ready for the next question let me just
2:11:33make a quick comment I'm pushing my luck
2:11:35here with the comment I'm about to make
2:11:37but I I uh like the story you just told
2:11:39about the past life regression the
2:11:41person remembered the the trauma of the
2:11:45penetration of the gut with the spear if
2:11:47you're pushing your luck it means it's
2:11:49going to be good okay good so uh I did a
2:11:53lot of past life regression both for
2:11:55myself and with other people uh when I
2:11:58was training at the Clair Vision School
2:11:59of Australia with the late French
2:12:01Medical Doctor Samuel seagan back in the
2:12:0390s and learned a lot from it and they
2:12:07definitely find that this type of
2:12:10embedded trauma is leading to physical
2:12:13issues in the body and things that
2:12:15medical science will not figure out
2:12:18because they're based on embedded trauma
2:12:20but I I found a very interesting aspect
2:12:22of this that once a person gets in touch
2:12:26with where the damage is in the body
2:12:29like we would scan the person's body see
2:12:30where there's an energetic disturbance
2:12:32you put your hand there to keep their
2:12:33attention on it they go into it in a
2:12:35method they would learn to like see
2:12:37what's held there we would work through
2:12:39it and they go out the other side of it
2:12:41when you go out the other side like we
2:12:42mentioned before things kind of turn
2:12:43inside out and so the place that we had
2:12:47the issue
2:12:48we became hyperconscious of in a way
2:12:51another person will never be conscious
2:12:52of that part of the body because they
2:12:54have no problem there if you have no
2:12:55problem in your heart you have no
2:12:56problem in your stomach you have no
2:12:57problem in whatever you don't really
2:12:58think about it but when you have a
2:13:00challenge there which may be linked to a
2:13:02past life trauma in some cases then you
2:13:04become hyperconscious of it and so in
2:13:07the beginning you're hyperconscious
2:13:09because either you've lost something you
2:13:11you want like you lost your arm and now
2:13:12you don't have an arm and you're very
2:13:14conscious of what you've lost or you
2:13:16have a pain a suffering there also makes
2:13:18you hyperconscious so this is all about
2:13:20your idea here about Consciousness and
2:13:23illness right it makes us more conscious
2:13:25of that thing now once a person clears
2:13:29that energetic challenge once they go
2:13:31into it it turns inside out they're out
2:13:33the other side your particular client
2:13:36didn't have any more uh stomach pain
2:13:38after they remembered this and went out
2:13:40the other side one thing I found that's
2:13:42extremely interesting going back to
2:13:43Wilhelm reich's work because Reich is
2:13:45all about you know he was the founder of
2:13:47the sexual ual Revolution about how we
2:13:49have to reclaim the Life Energy in our
2:13:52body which is what the sexual energy is
2:13:53you have to reclaim your own life energy
2:13:55one thing that I found is that the
2:13:57places in the body where people had had
2:13:59terrible wounds where they had been
2:14:01tortured they had been killed in
2:14:04previous lifetimes and they had a trauma
2:14:06they had to work through there after
2:14:08they work through the trauma that area
2:14:10of the body becomes an erogenous Zone oh
2:14:14interesting it becomes a part of the
2:14:17body that they have increased
2:14:18sensitivity in and increased
2:14:20consciousness of so it becomes a place
2:14:23that can experience more pleasure than
2:14:26the average person could experience in
2:14:28that part of the body through this whole
2:14:30process it's kind of like in the great
2:14:32book The Prophet by khil gabron where he
2:14:35talks about how we get hollowed out with
2:14:38sharp knives to create a space within us
2:14:40that can then be filled with joy ah so
2:14:43this is the karmic recompense so lots of
2:14:46times people don't want to go into past
2:14:47life progession and things like this
2:14:48because I don't want to experience this
2:14:49I don't want to remember it it's too
2:14:50painful I tell them what you already are
2:14:53no you're already in it so you might as
2:14:55well go out the other side yeah but the
2:14:57thing I like to represent to them is
2:14:58like and here's I don't here's not just
2:15:01the stick but here's the carrot go
2:15:03through it and out the other side and
2:15:05these places of suffering are going to
2:15:07become places of expanded sensation and
2:15:09Consciousness and will become places of
2:15:11additional pleasure beyond what the
2:15:14average person could experience in that
2:15:15part of the
2:15:16body
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2:17:40pretty much deal with challenge cases
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2:17:45I've always had to do a lot of work and
2:17:48look to say okay you know what are the
2:17:49different ways we can work with some of
2:17:51these challenges and so I'll you know
2:17:54hear from somebody like you try this or
2:17:57try that I'll go study it I'll take a
2:17:58course or two on it and test it out and
2:18:02and you know I've just expanded my
2:18:03toolkit but I I really think that I I
2:18:07have tremendous sadness for the amount
2:18:09of people that just get stuck in the
2:18:10Orthodox medical system and you know
2:18:14have this cut out then that cut out and
2:18:16they're on this drug and that drug and
2:18:18their their whole their life force
2:18:20diminishes their life becomes more and
2:18:22more constricted until they're in a
2:18:24wheelchair or they're or they die and I
2:18:28watch this with great sadness because
2:18:31you know I don't know what the
2:18:33percentage would be but there's a very
2:18:34significant percentage of people out
2:18:36there that are really suffering that in
2:18:38the hands of skilled therapists would
2:18:41never have Not only would they not be
2:18:44suffering they would have become much
2:18:45more awake and spiritually evolved
2:18:48through the process of using these types
2:18:50of Technologies whether it be Soul
2:18:53recovery or past life regression or
2:18:57energy therapies or art the I mean
2:19:00there's a long list you know that but
2:19:03I'm really just sharing that this is a
2:19:06you know we have to get past this
2:19:08scientific materialist Paradigm and this
2:19:12thing that is concerning to me is that
2:19:14the forces that be are trying to push us
2:19:16even deeper into the damn thing you know
2:19:18and that's that's a that's something
2:19:21people need to wake the hell up to
2:19:22because we can't we cannot afford to go
2:19:25deeper into a materialist existence
2:19:27because we are actually on the edge of
2:19:28destroying the entire ecosystem that we
2:19:31survive in right now and and one step
2:19:34further into materialism and we're all
2:19:36dead I hate to say it yeah we're we're
2:19:39totally agree yeah you know Robert
2:19:41Steiner left us with a spiritual science
2:19:43for modern times I have a few questions
2:19:46what is the unconscious how does it work
2:19:49and why is it important to understand
2:19:52you know the unconscious is talked about
2:19:54differently by different people for
2:19:55example if you study Steiner and compare
2:19:58him to Yung they're not often saying the
2:20:00same things even though they're using
2:20:01the same word you could go through a
2:20:03number of people I've even had people WR
2:20:05on my podcast that tell me they don't
2:20:07believe that the unconscious exists and
2:20:09I'm like are you kidding me I would just
2:20:11love to hear what you say particularly
2:20:14if you can share Steiner's perspective
2:20:16my understanding at this stage of
2:20:17Steiner's perspective on the unconscious
2:20:21is that everything is conscious but at
2:20:24different levels that are accessible by
2:20:27different types of beings or beings of
2:20:29particular states of evolution so he
2:20:32would I believe that he would prefer and
2:20:34again there' be people that know more
2:20:35about Steiner than me that correct this
2:20:37of what Steiner thought about the
2:20:38unconscious but my impression was always
2:20:41with Steiner that these things are
2:20:44below or sometimes above our current
2:20:48state of consciousness whatever that is
2:20:49because everybody has a particular
2:20:52magnitude of their Consciousness the
2:20:54larger that magnitude the fewer things
2:20:56are in the unconscious they they become
2:20:58conscious but for the average person
2:21:01who's operating at a a very basic level
2:21:05that vast majority of all information
2:21:08and insights are completely unconscious
2:21:10to them they're simply not aware at
2:21:12those levels and so there's the aspect
2:21:15of number one how do we expand our cont
2:21:17ious so the things that are currently
2:21:19unconscious to us we can become
2:21:22conscious of and that's really the
2:21:24foundation of mindfulness we start by
2:21:26just observing where we are right now
2:21:28and keep expanding that outwards let the
2:21:31mind take its full possibilities to go
2:21:34into these things and so the unconscious
2:21:39conscious dialectic I think is also
2:21:41connected to the issue about multiple
2:21:45planes of existence so there's a
2:21:47fascinating discussion that Dr Kareem
2:21:48gave one time about you know if we think
2:21:51about we got a physical body a Vitality
2:21:53body emotional mental causal spiritual
2:21:56Divine that in ancient Egypt they
2:21:58understood that every one of these
2:22:00different subtle bodies in US is a
2:22:02separate conscious being things that's
2:22:05unconscious to me as Robert Gilbert
2:22:07that's going on in my body right now is
2:22:08completely conscious to some entity
2:22:11although we don't mean that in a bad
2:22:13sense some some some conscious being
2:22:16that existed that level that knows how
2:22:18to run my physical body that knows how
2:22:20to run my Vitality body I'm I don't I'm
2:22:23not consciously myself right now making
2:22:25the energy run in my Meridian or making
2:22:27my heart pump or whatever else might be
2:22:29going on digesting metabolizing
2:22:32assimilating but there's a a type of a
2:22:35conscious being inside of us and so in
2:22:38in the ancient Egyptian understanding
2:22:41it' be a matter of just like for the
2:22:43Medieval World that you receive the
2:22:45conversation of the Holy guardian angel
2:22:47Ang a being that is to some degree above
2:22:49you in its Consciousness and then can
2:22:51share with you things that are currently
2:22:52unconscious to you but it knows that
2:22:54would be one process in ancient Egypt
2:22:57they understood this for every one of
2:22:59the subtle bodies so you could ask
2:23:00questions to or get into a dialogue with
2:23:03the physical body or the Vitality body
2:23:05or whatever so they would call them they
2:23:07have different names in ancient Egypt so
2:23:09that our idea of the energy body was
2:23:12basically the C our idea of the astral
2:23:14body was basically the ba these types of
2:23:16things but there's like something within
2:23:19us that's part of our totality that
2:23:22allows us to work in these vehicles with
2:23:24our CES out our current stage that knows
2:23:27how all these things work and depending
2:23:29on who you ask you'll get different
2:23:31answers so interesting observation of
2:23:33this later to the unconscious is that
2:23:36it's well known in mental dowsing
2:23:38circles now again what we do in
2:23:39biogeometry is not mental dowsing it's
2:23:41direct vibrational testing it's a
2:23:43different thing but in mental dowsing
2:23:45which have also been around for many
2:23:47many years I'm a former keynote speaker
2:23:50at the annual National Convention for
2:23:52the American Society of Dowsers multiple
2:23:53times so I pretty much know what's going
2:23:55on in mental dowsing and in mental
2:23:57dowsing it's well understood that if you
2:23:59have an emotional investment in the
2:24:01answer you're trying to get through
2:24:02mental dowsing there's a high
2:24:04probability you're going to influence
2:24:06the answer you get and it's not as
2:24:07Dependable quantum physics would tell
2:24:09you that for sure but there's another
2:24:12aspect of this seen from this old
2:24:13Egyptian temple perspective which is
2:24:16that if you ask the being at your
2:24:19emotional body level something that you
2:24:21got a big investment in like I so love
2:24:25this person do they love me back or you
2:24:28know I'm terrified of death am I going
2:24:30to die soon or something like this
2:24:33that's something that that being at the
2:24:35emotional plane level knows everything
2:24:37about the emotional body but is highly
2:24:39reactive the emotional body being is
2:24:42pretty reactive but and if you get the
2:24:44answer from them there's no telling what
2:24:45you're going to get but if if you ask
2:24:47the question to the being of let's say
2:24:48the spiritual or Divine level they are
2:24:52so far above the space time caring about
2:24:55is this person going to love you for a
2:24:56limited time or when you're going to die
2:24:58before the next Incarnation or whatever
2:25:00that they'll give you a very objective
2:25:02answer so there if you're brave enough
2:25:04to hear it yeah yeah if you're ready for
2:25:07it so so this is there was a beautiful
2:25:10statement I think relates directly to
2:25:11this discussion by Dr Samuel sag of the
2:25:14Clair Vision school where he said that
2:25:17your ability to see spiritually is
2:25:19governed by your ability to not react to
2:25:21What you see yes I heard you say that in
2:25:24Dan Patrick's podcast and I thought
2:25:25that's exactly what I've experienced it
2:25:28takes a lot of what I call spiritual
2:25:30courage to really get answers to tough
2:25:32questions it does so you know this all
2:25:35then comes down this is really what I
2:25:37founded Bessa on how do we expand our
2:25:42Consciousness and our energy the Shiva
2:25:44and shaki within us to the highest
2:25:47possible extent how do we make the most
2:25:49use of this very limited time
2:25:51opportunity of physical Incarnation
2:25:53right now and so again that's where
2:25:55brings us then to expand our
2:25:56Consciousness into things that are
2:25:57currently unconscious then just like
2:26:00they had certain methods in ancient
2:26:02Egypt and other cultures to do this one
2:26:03of the foundations that we have is
2:26:06mindfulness and mindfulness starts with
2:26:08self-observation so you find this
2:26:10whether it's the mindfulness in Buddhism
2:26:13or whether it's gief's work on
2:26:15self-remembering and self-observation
2:26:17it's all about simply becoming conscious
2:26:19of what's happening to you right now
2:26:21what's the content of your thoughts
2:26:23what's the content of your emotions
2:26:25what's the content of your will forces
2:26:27and your actions not trying to excuse
2:26:29anything but seeing it as objectively as
2:26:32if you're observing somebody other than
2:26:35yourself and and not making excuses for
2:26:37whatever is dysfunctional in our current
2:26:39state now what's fascinating in the work
2:26:41of Steiner with this is that of course
2:26:43this mindfulness at the three danten now
2:26:46thinking our feeling our willing is
2:26:49going to expand our Consciousness in
2:26:51things that are currently unconscious he
2:26:53brings out that this also has an effect
2:26:56of structuring the subtle body in a way
2:26:58that's essential because we talked about
2:27:00the way that our Consciousness in the
2:27:02head and our Dynamic life forces in the
2:27:04abdomen are two opposite polarities this
2:27:07burns up the Life Energy it's a it's a
2:27:10death process as Steiner talks about but
2:27:12we get all this vital life force from
2:27:14the abdominal forces well what holds the
2:27:16bounds between the two is the heart and
2:27:18so in the sacred geometry of the heart
2:27:20we know from the hamalian tradition that
2:27:23there's 12 Lotus Petals in the heart
2:27:25really 12 vortices but every one of
2:27:27those is governed with a particular
2:27:29quality a particular part of our
2:27:31Consciousness that we can expand into
2:27:33what is currently unconscious so Steiner
2:27:36describes the way that when he gives out
2:27:38the most fundamental exercise for
2:27:40Rosicrucianism which is called the six
2:27:42basic or the six essential exercises he
2:27:45says of those 12 Lotus Petals of the
2:27:48heart six of them we've developed in
2:27:50previous incarnations the other six must
2:27:52be consciously developed right now so
2:27:55each of the six exercises in the six
2:27:59fundamental exercises of the rosac
2:28:00crucian is developing one of the six
2:28:03remaining Lotus petals and it's the this
2:28:06is the very simple explanation there's a
2:28:08lot more to it that I go into great
2:28:09detail in the essential teachings and
2:28:12practices of spiritual science course
2:28:13which is my introductory spiritual
2:28:15science course for people to expand
2:28:17Consciousness that you have to observe
2:28:20completely neutrally and then direct
2:28:23your thinking observe and then direct
2:28:25your feeling observe and then direct
2:28:27your will forces and actions you have to
2:28:30develop tremendous positivity in
2:28:34understanding every life event and also
2:28:37develop tremendous equinity and openness
2:28:39to new
2:28:41information and seeing things from New
2:28:43Perspectives and then the sixth one is
2:28:46to harmonize all this together when
2:28:49Steiner gave these indications they were
2:28:51very brief and in entral teachings and
2:28:54practices course I expand it much much
2:28:56further to make it very useful for
2:28:57people but if we do that as we're
2:28:59expanding our conscious into these
2:29:02unconscious areas starting with
2:29:03mindfulness self-observation and the
2:29:05direction then of our our forces to
2:29:08their Highest Potential what happens is
2:29:11that the heart gets online the heart
2:29:13will become a fully active structure in
2:29:15the human energy body and will create a
2:29:18center for the entire movement of all
2:29:22Consciousness and energy inside the body
2:29:24and until we develop the heart as that
2:29:26organizing Center we don't have an
2:29:28organizing Center and so this is
2:29:30something that you know I make a very
2:29:32major part of my first course in
2:29:34spiritual science and I think it's you
2:29:38know shows the way that we create
2:29:40exercises as a practical way to expand
2:29:43our Consciousness into the unconscious
2:29:45levels and our Our Lives improve
2:29:48dramatically based on that yeah and you
2:29:51for those that aren't aware you have an
2:29:53amazing series on sacred geometry on
2:29:56Gaia TV and you give meditations for
2:29:59each of the stages along the way for
2:30:01your teachings in that series and I
2:30:03think you know there's a a free
2:30:06introduction to Robert's excellent
2:30:08teachings so you realize with even just
2:30:10a free visit to Gaia that what his
2:30:13courses are about is actually really
2:30:15very real and and it's not a bunch of
2:30:17Fufu there's practical exercises and
2:30:20development so I just wanted to point
2:30:22that out because I forgot to mention
2:30:23about your series I love that series I
2:30:25love how beautifully uh Illustrated it
2:30:28was graphically it really allowed I
2:30:31think people to take Concepts that are
2:30:33often hard to understand and and see
2:30:35them through Visual imagery which was
2:30:38fantastic wonderful thank you this is an
2:30:41important one I think this is why it's a
2:30:43good one to end on how can becoming more
2:30:48conscious like it's obvious that it's
2:30:50important to become more conscious to
2:30:52contribute to world Harmony and to The
2:30:56Awakening at this time so I'd like to
2:30:59hear your thoughts on what it is that
2:31:02any one of us can do I mean we've talked
2:31:05about mindfulness we've talked about a
2:31:06lot of different therapeutic approaches
2:31:09but if you imagine right now we're
2:31:10talking to a lot of people that have
2:31:12never done any of these things they
2:31:13might not have meditated they don't
2:31:15they've never practiced CH Chiang and
2:31:17yoga and then what are the ramifications
2:31:20of staying unconscious and you know Yung
2:31:22who had a lot to say about the dangers
2:31:26of staying unconscious and I'll give you
2:31:28one quote for everybody I've said it
2:31:29before but it can't be heard enough
2:31:32until you meet your unconscious on the
2:31:34inside it will continue to meet you on
2:31:37the outside in the event in the events
2:31:39of your life and you will call it fate
2:31:42now you can take that and expand that to
2:31:44the world population and say as long as
2:31:47we collectively remain unconscious then
2:31:50the events of Our Lives will meet us on
2:31:53the outside and we will call it fade and
2:31:55look at all this Armageddon prophecy
2:31:57going around from all sorts of sectors
2:31:59right now to me that's just remaining
2:32:01unconscious and looking for a a good way
2:32:04to categorize fate because you're
2:32:07unconscious of the fact that you can
2:32:09actually use your own
2:32:12intention to change the outcome we're
2:32:15all contributing to the outcome so if
2:32:17you could share what you feel with your
2:32:22life experience and your depth of
2:32:24knowledge what do you think we can all
2:32:27do right now to become more conscious
2:32:30how important that is that to the
2:32:32outcome of the events of the world and
2:32:35what's the cost of not doing it so one
2:32:38of the first things here is that we need
2:32:40to be aware that every time we incarnate
2:32:42we're taking care of to
2:32:45counterbalanced things at the same time
2:32:47one is our own personal development to
2:32:50get to where we're happier more joyful
2:32:53more advanced more capable getting out
2:32:57of the pain and suffering that's
2:32:59unnecessary and the other part of it is
2:33:01the service we provide to other people
2:33:04these two things are always
2:33:05counterbalanced the self and the other
2:33:07so as we we work on this both aspects
2:33:09are directly connected to how
2:33:12unconscious or conscious we are so the
2:33:13Buddhists have a beautiful way of
2:33:15expressing it when they say that you
2:33:18know you can either take skillful action
2:33:20or you can take unskillful action now
2:33:22you will develop an either path but the
2:33:25unskillful action where you're just a
2:33:28reactive machine reacting to all kinds
2:33:30of things and have no control over your
2:33:32thoughts your feelings or your actions
2:33:35you're going to learn through the School
2:33:36of Hard Knocks that will not only make
2:33:38you suffer unnecessarily you're going to
2:33:40make all kinds of people around you
2:33:43suffer through your unskillful action
2:33:46and on top of that you're taking away
2:33:48the possibility of lessening other
2:33:52people's suffering by choosing skillful
2:33:55action so there's both the positive and
2:33:57the negative part of it you're actively
2:33:59going to be harming people around you
2:34:01and on top of that you're not giving the
2:34:03benefit of the things that you could be
2:34:05helping with if you're chosen the other
2:34:07path so on the skillful action path
2:34:09which is based on
2:34:10mindfulness and on moving our
2:34:13Consciousness deeper into our
2:34:15unconscious so it's we keep expanding
2:34:17the state of our awareness and the
2:34:20skillful action path not only are we
2:34:22getting out of suffering much more
2:34:25quickly and effectively because
2:34:27everything comes down to the basic
2:34:28neurolinguistic programming idea that we
2:34:31will seek pleasure and we will avoid
2:34:33pain but what's changeable here is that
2:34:36it's up to you to choose what you
2:34:38associate pain and pleasure with we're
2:34:41programmed in an unconscious way to what
2:34:43we associate pain and pleasure with
2:34:45which is why someone who's a heroin
2:34:48addict keeps being a heroin addict
2:34:49because they associate pleasure with it
2:34:51but I associate pain with that so I have
2:34:54no attraction to it whatsoever and so
2:34:57going from the unskillful to skillful
2:34:59means is changing your pain pleasure
2:35:01associations so the things that are
2:35:03going to be bad in the long run are
2:35:06associated with pain and the things that
2:35:08will be beneficial we associate pleasure
2:35:11with even though they might be hard work
2:35:13so this basic fundament mental
2:35:16understanding of human development
2:35:18brings us into the whole thing about the
2:35:21cost of staying unconscious not only
2:35:24will you suffer you'll make everyone
2:35:26around you suffer and the benefit of
2:35:29becoming conscious is not only will you
2:35:32get out of suffering more effectively
2:35:34and become the person you're meant to be
2:35:36which will be a much more enjoyable life
2:35:39but you'll help the people around you
2:35:41with this as well because we have to be
2:35:43aware again with momentto Mor you have a
2:35:46very limited time here this time is
2:35:48going to end there's certain things you
2:35:50need to be in physical Incarnation to do
2:35:52and to accomplish use your time here
2:35:54wisely don't just frit the time away
2:35:56because when you cross the Gate of death
2:35:59one of the first experiences you're
2:36:00going to have is what Steiner refers to
2:36:03at a certain point of the journey is
2:36:05meeting the Lesser and greater guardian
2:36:06of the threshold and what that's going
2:36:09to mean is you're going to perceive the
2:36:12effect that your life had not only on
2:36:14you the choices you made how conscious
2:36:17you were had on you but the effect on
2:36:19everyone else but now you're going to
2:36:21experience that effect on everyone else
2:36:23from the way they experienced it you'll
2:36:24be inside of them experiencing exactly
2:36:27how you made them feel this is a
2:36:30hell-like experience for people who are
2:36:33choosing the unskillful path and are not
2:36:36choosing to become more conscious who
2:36:38are staying unconscious it's a it's a
2:36:41long drawn out astral experience that's
2:36:44extremely unpleasant as you feel how
2:36:46everyone around you suffered for all the
2:36:48years of your existence based on how
2:36:50screwed up you were but it could be a
2:36:52highly pleasurable experience if you
2:36:53were actually a blessing and a boon to
2:36:55everyone around you and be aware that in
2:36:57that outof body state after death it's
2:37:00like you're in an amplifier of
2:37:03everything related to mind emotions Etc
2:37:05because there's no physical body to damp
2:37:07it down anymore you're you're affected
2:37:09by this in a way that's hard for people
2:37:11to conceive who haven't done a lot of
2:37:12psychotropics yeah of being completely
2:37:14naked in this realm right yes that's
2:37:16exactly right what you just said that's
2:37:19that's your preparation right there die
2:37:22before you die boys and girls die
2:37:25exactly so so be aware that this has a
2:37:28huge impact on your own life and on
2:37:30other people's lives and again we all
2:37:33seek pleasure and avoid pain so this
2:37:35gets the most fundamental thing in the
2:37:37world constantly work with mindfulness
2:37:39to expand your Consciousness and you'll
2:37:41get the life that you want and you'll
2:37:43help to give other people the life that
2:37:44they want and over time this is going to
2:37:48create a magnificent outcome compared to
2:37:51all the people who are choosing not to
2:37:52exert the effort to become Consciousness
2:37:55and all the damage we can see them
2:37:56causing in the world right now and to
2:37:59themselves and I'll include myself in
2:38:00that I still have parts of myself I
2:38:02better wake up and be more conscious on
2:38:04as well it's never me versus them it's
2:38:07all of us and we constantly work with
2:38:09this yeah we're all an infinite process
2:38:12I mean most people can't conceive of the
2:38:15Journey Back To Source how you know how
2:38:19many you know think of each Dimension as
2:38:21a whole new experience I mean it's a
2:38:24long ways I mean the astral realm itself
2:38:26is massive and many people I've studied
2:38:30say it's far far far far bigger than the
2:38:33universe that we think we
2:38:34know my father's house has many mansions
2:38:37absolutely yeah and so you know I guess
2:38:42in a nutshell what you're saying is now
2:38:45is the time to really invest some time
2:38:49into something as simple but as real as
2:38:52mindfulness practice there's a lot of
2:38:54great mindfulness teachers out there
2:38:56John kabat Zen probably the most famous
2:38:58of them techn Han uh a love technotan
2:39:02stuff it's sad that he's passed away but
2:39:05he's proof of your this two Shall Pass
2:39:08we shoot we will pass but what a great
2:39:11teacher he was and a great example I
2:39:14think where at a point where we really
2:39:17need you know Steiner talks about the
2:39:19the birth of the awareness soul and the
2:39:23way you birth the awareness soul is you
2:39:26ask yourself the question is it really
2:39:28true no matter what it is you ask is it
2:39:32really true is it really true that uh
2:39:34the best person to go see is a doctor is
2:39:36it really true you should believe
2:39:38everything your government tells you is
2:39:39it really true that uh money will make
2:39:42you happy is it really true that sex
2:39:46will make you happy I mean because if we
2:39:49don't start asking is it really true
2:39:52then we don't ever see what's in our
2:39:54unconscious when you ask is it really
2:39:56true you have to now challenge
2:39:58everything that you were taught have now
2:40:01brought into the realm of automatic
2:40:03response without thinking about it you
2:40:06don't need to worry about is it really
2:40:07true that I need to I I know how to tie
2:40:09my shoe because that's not going to have
2:40:11a big impact on your life but your
2:40:14beliefs about God about love about sex
2:40:16about relationships about money about
2:40:19power uh how you get attention I mean
2:40:23these things are all really worth asking
2:40:25is it really true so mindfulness and
2:40:29asking is it really true and then I will
2:40:31throw one of my favorites which is you
2:40:34know a tough
2:40:36one what would love do now I'm in this
2:40:39situation I'm angry at somebody I'm
2:40:41pissed off at my wife or my husband or
2:40:44whatever um or I'm about to lose my job
2:40:48I'm scared to death what would love do
2:40:52now I mean I think you can get a lot of
2:40:54mileage by really answering that
2:40:56question honestly and acting in
2:40:58accordance with it it's a practice for
2:41:00me and I have to work at it I got a
2:41:02warrior in me and a dragon in me that I
2:41:05gotta be careful with because I'm you
2:41:07know I grew up in a battlefield you you
2:41:10know when I was a young man you wanted
2:41:11to throw down I'm like this go let's get
2:41:15it on baby but that's you know that's
2:41:19not how you grow spiritually that's just
2:41:21how you uh encapsulate yourself in a
2:41:24physical body for a lot
2:41:26longer but anyhow Robert what a
2:41:29phenomenal time with you I sure love and
2:41:32appreciate you Robert Gilbert man you're
2:41:34you're a great example for all of us and
2:41:37and I'm uh just grateful why don't you
2:41:39tell everybody um give a recap on the
2:41:42courses that you think would be best for
2:41:45people listening and uh give us the web
2:41:48address and I don't know if there's I
2:41:49can't remember if there's a discount
2:41:51code for podcast listeners or what I'm
2:41:53we'll have it all in the show notes
2:41:54either way but what would you like to
2:41:56share in that regard great thank you so
2:41:58much and I feel the same way Paul I
2:42:00always enjoy my time with you it's great
2:42:02to be able to explore all these things
2:42:04together thanks for having me back again
2:42:06that's great so my website is www.
2:42:10ves.org and vess is spelled v as in
2:42:14victor e s
2:42:16i.org
2:42:18and the question about the courses to
2:42:21begin with if you're interested in the
2:42:23biogeometry courses uh that I teach
2:42:26under licensing from Dr Kareem an online
2:42:28training then you'll find that on my
2:42:31website starts with the foundation
2:42:32training then there's another one called
2:42:34the Advanced Training and if you get the
2:42:36advance done before we think currently
2:42:38it's going to be September 2024 you'd be
2:42:40eligible to come to the live event with
2:42:42Dr Kareem which is a very rare
2:42:43opportunity so I highly suggest that for
2:42:46sure then I have on the spiritual
2:42:49science track to develop energy and
2:42:51Consciousness the first course to begin
2:42:54with is called essential teachings and
2:42:55practices of spiritual science that has
2:42:59the six fundamental exercises of the
2:43:00rosac Cru and a lot of other
2:43:02observations that are the absolute
2:43:04Foundation of types of Spiritual
2:43:07Development that are very practical and
2:43:09that will make a change in your life
2:43:11very quickly then on the vibrational
2:43:13science side what I refer to as the Seer
2:43:18program subtle energy Explorations and
2:43:21research then we have in addition to the
2:43:23biogeometry work I've created courses on
2:43:26the French research in the early 1900s
2:43:29if you want to know the foundation of
2:43:31what the French called medical
2:43:32radiesthesia where you could test all
2:43:34the subtle energies that are present in
2:43:37a person's body and test things that are
2:43:39strengthening or weakening to them in a
2:43:41way that goes beyond what's possible
2:43:43with educational kinesiology and goes
2:43:46into all types of amazing testing and
2:43:49balancing work based on the French
2:43:51medical doctor's work of the early 1900s
2:43:53which has been almost forgotten in a in
2:43:55a completely energetic method of
2:43:56detecting these invisible energetic
2:43:59interactions that's called the personal
2:44:00wave length course and then if you want
2:44:03to understand about all of the invisible
2:44:06energies around us and how they create
2:44:08this invisible energy Matrix that's
2:44:11called the universal vibrational
2:44:13Spectrum course and that's also
2:44:15available online on my site there's lots
2:44:18of other stuff there too again early
2:44:202024 I'll be putting up the New Year's
2:44:23resource guide with more information on
2:44:25the microcurrent I've got links already
2:44:27for the simatics of the Sim theapy
2:44:30things of that kind so please do come to
2:44:32the site and check it out thank you
2:44:34awesome Robert I'll just close real
2:44:36quick and say thank you to all of you
2:44:38for joining us today if you've listened
2:44:40this far I know you are definitely part
2:44:41of the change because you can't listen
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2:45:01uh have the ability to do the research
2:45:03and find people and do all the things we
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2:45:08love to all of you I hope you guys see
2:45:10that the transition we're going through
2:45:12in the world is really no different than
2:45:14an illness that's going to teach us how
2:45:16to be more free how to be more loving
2:45:18more empathetic more compassionate and
2:45:20in order to get there we got to work on
2:45:22it together so now's our chance can't
2:45:24wait to share something again with you
2:45:27next week see you then Robert have a
2:45:29great rest of your day Bud lots of love
2:45:32thanks so much Paul it's been great
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