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0:00hi everyone welcome back to the
0:01blossoming together podcast today we're
0:03going to be talking about supervision
0:06and some of the requirements that are
0:08needed let's go right into the
0:09objectives beautiful our first objective
0:12today is understanding and implementing
0:14effective supervision practices um and
0:16we're going to be relating to the task
0:18list items task H1 H2 and H3 the second
0:23objective is enhancing training
0:25competence through feedback and skill
0:27development and this relates Bast to
0:29task lless A5 H4
0:33H6 all right so I feel like this is one
0:37of those topics where people are always
0:39like stuck talking about like cuz I feel
0:42like we're always getting updates right
0:44yeah the BB is changing things like I
0:46get the emails of like okay these are
0:47the upcoming changes and even though I
0:50think everyone is subscribed to the
0:52emails and they get it there's always
0:54this like I don't know why but there's
0:56always this like chaos of like or yeah
1:00so we kind of want to just touch on even
1:02us like we felt like we learned a lot
1:04when we going through the information
1:05was a good reminder and refresher for us
1:07so we kind to touch on it make sure
1:08everyone else also knew some of this
1:10information yes it sounds great all
1:13right so first things first we're going
1:14to do something really simple wanted to
1:16go over just what two types of fieldwork
1:18experiences there are so we have
1:19supervised fieldwork which you need
1:222,000 fieldwork hours for and then we
1:24have concentrated supervised field work
1:26where you need, 1500 hours yep um and
1:30then so kind of with that you also need
1:33so with the 2,000 fieldwork hours if
1:35you're doing supervised fieldwork you
1:37also need 5% of direct supervision and
1:40then another big difference is for
1:41concentrated supervis fieldwork so
1:43that's the 1500 hours you need 10%
1:46supervision so that's why the hours are
1:48reduced because you're getting a little
1:50bit more of that like one to one time
1:52with your bcba directly supervising you
1:54and that makes sense what did you have
1:56when you were in or did was this before
1:58this this changed right this changed so
2:00I did technically like now it would be
2:02considered the supervised fieldwork but
2:04at my time it was
2:061,500 hours um and then the concentrated
2:10fieldwork was only 750 so I had a few
2:12wow imagine I know I'm like oh my gosh
2:14that's nothing I did the concentrated uh
2:17supervised field workor and that was
2:19when it was concentrated supervised
2:20field and it just changed I think it was
2:23the 1500 and you get 10% yep it had just
2:26changed can you tell me a little bit
2:27about how you felt like with the
2:29concentrated like a little bit less
2:30hours but with more supervision with
2:32your supervisor I guess how did that go
2:35so honestly I felt like I didn't know
2:37notice because our bcbas where I was I
2:40did my field work were always
2:41supervising at that percentage or more
2:44no matter what so I was hitting the
2:46hours consistently no matter what I
2:48think because I was one of the first
2:50students here we had started off
2:52actually as
2:54supervised hours and then once we were
2:57looking at like our numbers we were like
2:58wow we're hitting this much every month
3:01why don't we change it and that's when
3:03we realized hey like all of our students
3:05here could do this because our BCBS are
3:08providing that much
3:09supervision so with mine my experience
3:12it was good like I I've talked about my
3:14supervis like experience often I had a
3:17good experience cuz I made it what I
3:18wanted it to be but I did get that like
3:21Less Direct supervision but I wouldn't
3:22have known the difference cuz their
3:24option wasn't available to me like at my
3:26place so I didn't you didn't know did
3:28you feel when did you realize what the
3:30difference was was it when you came here
3:32um a little bit when I came here but
3:34mostly when I was talking to my
3:35classmates like I had a few classmates
3:37who the program that I did they paired
3:39with a fieldwork site and they were all
3:41doing like the 750 hours with the
3:43Intensive supervision and I was like oh
3:45you're getting that much like time per
3:47week like um currently like when I
3:49supervise my students I meet with them
3:51weekly but when I was a supervis I was
3:53only getting um I think like one direct
3:56meeting um a month and then the rest of
3:58my supervised time was with direct
4:00clients so it just didn't feel like at
4:02looking back I was like okay it might
4:04not have been as personal like we didn't
4:05have as much time to get the personal
4:06like note in it and I had the weekly
4:08meetings did yeah we had the weekly
4:10meetings and I did feel like it's a very
4:12personal relationship and I we're going
4:15to touch on it a little more later I
4:16know but I had multiple supervis not
4:19just one throughout the whole experience
4:21so I had two main ones that I was like
4:23meeting with all the time and then I had
4:26different ones that were supervising me
4:28with my clients as well I really like
4:30that and something that we've like
4:31started incorporating now too is like
4:33changing up the supervisor throughout
4:35the experience so that that supervis Z
4:39gets more um I guess just like a better
4:42understanding of how different bcbas do
4:44things like not everyone every bcba is
4:46going to complete their tasks the same
4:48way right and I agree and I also feel
4:50like well I when I was in that position
4:52I felt like oh like I picked different
4:54things up for each from each person that
4:57I don't think I would have been able to
4:58like pick up if I were didn't have that
5:01experience or I would have been I don't
5:02know maybe molded like the first person
5:05but I had an experience and I was able
5:07to pick and choose also like I like this
5:09quality from this supervisor and I like
5:11this quality from this supervisor and
5:13maybe I don't like this quality which
5:15you know not to those people don't hate
5:16their supervisors but you know if you
5:18have multiple you could pick I hear that
5:20too skills from other people yeah or be
5:22like learn like I don't like how people
5:24do that or I don't want to be bcba that
5:26does that cuz you saw that one does it
5:27this way and one doesn't right and you
5:29figur out and Yeah I think that's one
5:30thing that I didn't get like as a
5:33supervis like I didn't realize that I
5:35hadn't gotten that I only had one was
5:37the person that was meeting with you
5:39your one-on-one also the person that was
5:41in charge of your direct client or was
5:43that different as well yep they were in
5:44charge of my direct client so I still
5:46had the multiple supervisors and we'll
5:48kind of get into what that means a
5:49little in a little bit but I still was
5:52primarily assigned to her case load so
5:55we did it teams so like if I was her
5:57supervis I was assigned to her team I
5:59had mostly her kiddos and then if I
6:01covered other kids with other bcbas they
6:03would supervise me and still be able to
6:05provide me hours that makes sense that
6:07makes sense and I feel like everyone's
6:09experience is so unique yeah because I
6:11feel like when you go on Facebook or
6:13when you reach out to other people you
6:14learn that everyone's gone through a
6:15different experience they all have and
6:17also like the experience of your
6:19supervisors is so different than yours
6:22where like it gets all meshed together
6:24and that's where I feel like a lot of
6:24these rules get jumbled up say it's
6:26really important for us to like I like
6:29when I was we were prepping I was like
6:30I'm so glad that I'm getting this
6:32refresher to understand like how to best
6:34support my supervis I'm like oh yeah
6:36this is a requirement like let me make
6:37sure that I'm hitting that or even like
6:39remember cuz I know some since it
6:41changed while you were a student like oh
6:43this was different than when I was cuz I
6:46feel like that would be in great in my
6:47mind yeah sometimes I like use the wrar
6:50yeah and I'm like wait a second that's
6:51not it so I have my like I have my
6:52binder with all my stuff and I like
6:54refer to it you know me and my
6:56organization something else with like
6:58the roles and responsibilities of a
6:59supervisor and a supervising that we
7:01kind of wanted to touch on and we've
7:02mentioned it briefly so there's a
7:04student and a supervising bcba the
7:06student can also be we've kind of
7:08referred to throughout as like a trainee
7:10supervis um or student like there are
7:12different terms that we might refer to
7:14them um and then like supervisor or
7:16supervising bcbi I always called my
7:19super like the one I met with one-on-one
7:21my like my mate I don't know why I just
7:23called them that's my main supervisor
7:25and then everyone else was like oh I
7:26have their clients they're my bcbas yeah
7:29that's kind of how I was too like with
7:31my main supervisor and then I feel like
7:33we're going to get into more like crazy
7:35terms cuz we're going to talk about the
7:36Consulting supervisor a little bit
7:38that's where I feel like that's when I
7:39get like super like whoo those are the
7:41things that I'm like I wouldn't know
7:42unless I keep referring back to my notes
7:45um with a supervising bcba they must be
7:48an active bcba with no disciplinary like
7:51uh sanctions um and they if they're
7:53certified for less than a year they
7:55require monthly consultation from a
7:57qualified Consulting supervisor
8:00um and we kind of talked about a little
8:01bit about the percentages and stuff too
8:03do you want to jump in about the
8:04Consulting supervisor a little bit uh
8:06the Consulting before we even get there
8:08there are also two other people or two
8:10other uh licenses that can provide
8:13supervision corre yeah this is where
8:15it's like yeah I know I I don't know why
8:17cuz it was never my experience and even
8:19though I've read this multiple times I
8:22was like huh I never directly
8:24encountered this so I didn't realize so
8:27something that we learned from looking
8:29at the ACB website yesterday was a
8:32licensed psychologist is a person a
8:34licensed or registered psychologist
8:36certified by the American Board of
8:37Professional Psychology and behavioral
8:39and cognitive psychology who was tested
8:42in ABA they can also provide supervision
8:46but this is changing so this method ends
8:49January 1st 2026 so pretty soon pretty
8:52soon but fieldwork obtained before then
8:54can be submitted until January 1st 2032
8:57okay so it's going to so you have a a
8:59very tiny window like if you've started
9:01to finish up your hours and get it
9:03submitted yeah and I know I know like
9:06once the changes happens everyone's
9:08going to be like what do we do wait a
9:09second yeah and then another one is a
9:12verified course sequence instructor so
9:14this is an authorized verified course
9:16sequence instructor it's kind of like
9:18your course instructors maybe at like
9:20where you're going to school they can
9:21also provide supervision and then no
9:24this qualification method ends January
9:261st 2026 also but fieldwork obtain
9:29before then can be submitted until
9:31January 1st 2032 okay so both of those
9:34currently are supervisors but they're
9:37ending soon and and 2025 is coming up so
9:41you got a year kind of a year and a few
9:43months and then you can continue to
9:45submit by the way today is August what
9:5028th August 28th
9:532024 yeah so if you're watching this 2
9:55years from now but when it airs yeah
9:58well when it airs it makes sense but
10:00when you watch it 2 years from now
10:01please refer to the date okay please go
10:04on to the bacb website and look up the
10:07qualification oh my gosh I'm dead cuz
10:09I'm like wait I just thought of that I
10:11was like I know just in case like
10:13changes tomorrow Evergreen content it's
10:15going to be keep going we love it oh my
10:18gosh um getting back to like the roles
10:21and responsibilities so we have the
10:23supervisor and their traine relationship
10:26so some kind of key things to keep in
10:29mind when you are getting a supervisor
10:31or supervising a like candidate the
10:34supervisors cannot be related to
10:37subordinate to employed by or in a
10:39multiple relationship with the trainee
10:42during their field work experience which
10:43makes total sense employment though does
10:46not include being compensated like
10:48compensating the supervisor for
10:50supervising like requirements so this is
10:53kind of break it down cuz we were so
10:55confused like people pay for their
10:57supervision like especially when they're
10:58like remot or near place or living
11:02someplace where there aren't supervisors
11:03by them we see this all the time yes
11:05like we are blessed we are able to get
11:06our field workk in house but a lot of
11:08people don't have that opportunity so
11:09they pay for their supervision what
11:11we're talking about which isn't allowed
11:14is say you got someone they own the
11:16clinic yeah and then they need
11:19supervision they end up like wanting to
11:20become a bcba so then they want yeah
11:22supervis of their BCBS that are working
11:25for them to do it correct y exactly and
11:28I'm like chances of that I feel like are
11:30pretty slim but you never know keep in
11:32mind mighten that's why it's in there
11:35I'm sure it had to have
11:37honestly all right so let's go into the
11:41multiple supervisors and settings yes so
11:44uh we and also like everyone else
11:46encourages trainees to have multiple
11:49supervisors across various settings I
11:51know it's not always ideal to leave the
11:53place you're working at but you know try
11:55to get experience with different clients
11:58different experiences like type of
12:01fieldwork you're getting like you want a
12:03very like yeah a broad experience you
12:06want to experience a lot of different
12:07things so that you are familiar and
12:09learn different things that you want to
12:11incorporate as a BP and then if you are
12:12comfortable it's okay to go out and seek
12:15different experiences like if you want
12:16to work in a school work in a school
12:18then work in a clinic try it in home
12:21insurance yeah do insurance like all of
12:23those experiences will just make you a
12:24better bcba and then you'll get
12:26different experiences from all your
12:28supervisors as well yeah and then you'll
12:31also hopefully have like the competency
12:33to like provide that to trainees going
12:35forward as well if you were in that spot
12:37right so we have um like the individual
12:40supervisors so the individual supervisor
12:43um is like they ensure that all
12:45fieldwork requirements are met maintain
12:47a clear um supervision contract and
12:50obtain written permission to access
12:52client information and then the
12:53supervisor must sign off on all relevant
12:56documentation confirming that all
12:57fieldwork requirements were fulfilled
13:00and kind of talking about this
13:01documentation just while it's like on
13:03our mind you have to keep your
13:05documentation from like anything
13:07relating to like your bcba role for
13:09seven years keep it do not keep I put
13:12mine in a box at home hopefully yeah and
13:15this Happ it nothing happens it's like
13:17in my like I have my little file drawer
13:19um it's just to ensure that like the
13:21quality of care you have everything you
13:22need and then if you are audited by the
13:25bacb you really want these documents
13:27it's important to maintain corre correct
13:29and then I also had this contract I know
13:32when you first get into it like
13:33contracts seem a little confusing yeah
13:36it's hard but go out research some if
13:38you're the superv like the supervisor
13:41and this is your first time creating one
13:44and no one else around you has like do
13:46some research look up what could be in
13:48there I feel like we've seen this like
13:50Revis so many times
13:52throughout our experiences and our times
13:55where like I've try I'm thinking of like
13:57things that have come up like at a point
13:59we added like must maintain like was it
14:02a grade point or something like it was
14:04um no it was like their standard um what
14:07is it like their standard as an employee
14:09so they had to like have good standing
14:11with us in order to be a
14:13supervis um like they couldn't have
14:15certain time like if they called out
14:17often we just wanted to make sure that
14:19they were a quality candidate to be
14:21receiving supervision hours from us and
14:23I think also remembering you can go back
14:24and change it but everyone else needs to
14:26everyone else all parties need to sign
14:28the all parties need to sign the form
14:30and then um within the bcba handbook it
14:32does know what is required specifically
14:35within the contract so when you are
14:37completing your contracts um if it's the
14:39first one make sure first to refer to
14:41the bcba handbook and then in addition
14:43to that add what you feel may be
14:45necessary got it yeah all right and then
14:50also there can be multiple supervisors
14:52at one organization we've touched on
14:53this I said it's probably a good idea to
14:56get that experience but remember that
14:59organizations can coordinate multiple
15:01supervisors for a trainee so this
15:04requires a well organized supervision
15:05contract listing all of Supervisors
15:08roles and responsibilities you can find
15:10this for I believe like right on the
15:11website as well yep it's right there
15:13within the same ones and then all
15:15supervision must be related to client
15:17programming and supervisors must have
15:19written permission to access client
15:21information again so I only had one like
15:25every time it was one main did you ever
15:27have more than no you didn't either I
15:29had yeah I had one main that I started
15:31she left and then I had the my second
15:33main supervisor who did the majority of
15:35mine and then because I was at a clinic
15:38like they were creating their field work
15:40program as I was in it so in the
15:42beginning it was like okay yeah you have
15:44your person you're one but then we added
15:46the multiple and then we went and got
15:48contract signed by every bcba that was
15:51at Center so that we were able to like
15:53say my be I I wanted experience with
15:57like an FBA or something and I bcba
16:00didn't have that like they didn't have a
16:02client I could do it with or they didn't
16:03need it yet they could reach out to the
16:05other BCBS and say like hey my student
16:07wants experience with this so they were
16:09also I was able to meet with that person
16:11go over it with them okay I really like
16:14that was there anything about having
16:15multiple supervisors that you found
16:17challenging like tricky to navigate or
16:19for a supervisor to like keep in mind I
16:22think what was hard for me was I wanted
16:25to please each one yeah and like try to
16:28figure out like well my person the
16:30person I'm used to would have approved
16:32this but say say you were my supervisor
16:35like Ken likes like this so being
16:38confident like the skills you are
16:39learning like you are still your own
16:41person it's okay like your learning
16:43skills try to figure out your the way
16:45you want to do things there to and like
16:46talk about it and collaborate and not so
16:49much be like I want to fit their mold so
16:50I'm going to do it this way yeah I wish
16:52I did that I yeah I think that honestly
16:54that's really tricky like as the
16:56supervis something that I'm finding not
16:59um necessarily but like as a supervisor
17:02in a area where we have multiple
17:04supervisors for students um is the
17:07documentation for like the contract oh
17:09everyone's little yeah so if you are a
17:12supervisor like one of the multiple
17:13supervisors you may have your one
17:15student or two students but then you're
17:16still supervising any candidate that is
17:18at your company or within your practice
17:22um what's hard is in order to supervise
17:24them each of the multiple supervisors
17:26have to have the contract um so it's on
17:28me to like make sure be like okay before
17:30I like or before say ustra has a
17:33supervis before ustra signs off on the
17:35supervis hours Kiren has to make sure
17:38she has a contract with the supervis
17:40before she can count those hours I don't
17:41think I've been there long like I I was
17:44encountered that i' never encountered
17:45that I just came off like the brand new
17:49bcba status where I needed a Consulting
17:51supervisor so I haven't had to like yeah
17:53go through that yeah so that is
17:54something that I'm like remembering it's
17:56like okay I need to make sure and we
17:58really lucky because the one remember
18:00the main supervisor is the one that ends
18:02up signing that month the last
18:04verification your final verification
18:05form and typically your monthly
18:07verification forms as well but in order
18:10to have counted your supervision with
18:12other supervisors you still have to have
18:14a contract with them and this was
18:15confusing I think when we were signing
18:17off on my ours at the end we were like
18:18does everyone sign it who is doing what
18:21cuz I had like eight yeah cuz we're
18:23eight at our something like does eight
18:24people sign this and then after digging
18:26we're like no I do want to refer back to
18:29one of our previous episodes we had
18:31Taylor Ross and kosai Zia oh my gosh I
18:35pronounce it
18:36incorrectly this is sad Kai was my
18:38supervisor Kai we love you Kai how do
18:40you say your last name but please go
18:43back and watch that episode cuz we did
18:45discuss how we've kind of enhanced this
18:48experience within our setting we
18:50established having like a fieldwork
18:52coordinator so that person kind of
18:54organizes and makes sure all of the
18:55students have contracts they make sure
18:58that assign ments with the bcba and the
19:00supervises is like it's I don't know
19:02going to work so it's effective
19:05evidence-based they're getting the
19:06experience that they need they're
19:07learning their soft skills they're
19:09learning everything from the task list
19:11there's a lot on there and I feel like a
19:13hard a thing we've learned or people
19:16have reported to us is the experience
19:18they get is usually just what the bcba
19:20is going through
19:22versus like the big round like a
19:25well-rounded experience is what I'm
19:26trying to say they don't get the
19:27well-rounded experience but they kind of
19:29get whatever is on their bcb's case load
19:31yeah which can be hard it's hard or like
19:33it might not be a good fit you know so
19:35it's just and also as like the as like
19:36the BCB I've always struggled with like
19:39what like this what do I give them to do
19:41sure you know like in my head is like I
19:43got these programs for them to write and
19:45it's like we don't want to just be
19:46giving program writing but it's like
19:47those are what's going to assist us most
19:49so it's like finding that's where you
19:50get in a funk I feel like too people get
19:52in a funk they're like well we need this
19:53stuff done we got a student yeah exactly
19:56let have them do this instead yes so we
19:59have a fieldwork coordinator who helps
20:00organize and like maintain all of the
20:02requirements and things like that I
20:04wanted to pause quickly for our first
20:06code word code word one for your CEUs is
20:10student all right so transitioning in we
20:14kind discuss the Consulting supervisor
20:16rule yeah and then consultation for
20:19newer bcbas this is if you're a bcba
20:22that's certified for less than a less
20:25than one year so if you're a bcba
20:27certified for less than one year need to
20:29have a Consulting supervisor to take any
20:32students yes and this supervisor they
20:34are required to be um they do monthly
20:37consultation and they have to be
20:39certified as a bcba for over five years
20:43um and then their focus areas so what
20:46you're going to be focusing on during
20:47these monthly meetings is we want to
20:49make sure there's ethical decision
20:51making making happening supervision best
20:54practices and then documentation of
20:56course feedback and professional growth
20:58so the Consulting supervisor is just
21:01ensuring that the newer bcba is able to
21:05provide that quality experience for the
21:07supervis to ensure that they are getting
21:09the best experience that they can and
21:10then because one thing I was I was the
21:13person that needed a Consulting
21:14supervisor so one part of my experience
21:17that I enjoyed about this was because we
21:18had a fieldwork coordinator they had a
21:21checklist that was made for the newer
21:23bcba to kind of go through all of this
21:25to make sure they even had those skills
21:27are they even you know it wasn't like oh
21:29we need someone so here's a Consulting
21:30supervisor and you take on a student it
21:33was like is this person really ready and
21:35then we can provide them with the
21:36support so they had like a checklist
21:38essentially of everything the student
21:40would need to learn could I even go
21:42through that with them and then if there
21:44wasn't we went through it it was just
21:46kind of like they they checked to make
21:48sure I knew what I was doing they like
21:50checked in and something kind of going
21:52on that and this is just like a side
21:54personal note if you are a new bcba um I
21:58want you to feel confident in yourself
22:00to like know if you're ready or not
22:02ready to take on a student you never you
22:05should never have to take on a student
22:07if you don't feel like you are going to
22:08be able to provide them their quality
22:10experience so if you and this is why I
22:12feel like the rule was created I don't I
22:14don't know why but I have a feeling
22:17person I do not know why they decided to
22:19do this I didn't go look that up
22:21personal take hot take but I have a
22:24feeling is because I there was this
22:26trend where new like brand knew bcbas
22:29were taking on students and they didn't
22:30even know what they were doing yet
22:31they're still learning and I remember
22:33being a brand new bcba I was like oh my
22:34God I just need to navigate and figure
22:35out what I'm doing first mhm and then so
22:38this is why it's here it's for a good
22:40reason so and if you're in the place
22:42where you're like wow I don't want to be
22:43supervised by someone it's okay like
22:46take it yeah it is there's nothing wrong
22:48with it yes we all need mentorship even
22:50as like bcbas who have been experienced
22:52for more than a year like I still seek
22:54guidance from like Consulting bcbas
22:56that's really important and honestly the
22:58let's go right into the format the
22:59format of it isn't too bad it's a
23:01one-on-one meeting where you're
23:02reviewing the practices in case specific
23:05support so remember my
23:07supervisor had pretty much we had like a
23:09checklist like a little just like if you
23:12were a student getting supervision we
23:14had documentation that we also have to
23:16keep for S years all of your
23:19documentation years just just like
23:21before but it had to be for at least 1
23:24hour per month and then this had to
23:26continue until I hit my one year mark
23:28okay then we also had a contract yeah
23:31and then it's was actually was you don't
23:34have to but we had one we had to it's
23:36recommended by the bacb but it's not
23:39this is where people get confused like
23:41well I had one and then the purpose of
23:44it was really like the purpose of our
23:45meeting was to guide enhance my the
23:47supervision quality that I was providing
23:50not that I was getting that I was
23:52providing to my students and then the
23:54content really was basic strategies
23:57problem solving and ref finding any like
23:59task that I needed or wanted to give to
24:01my students so a lot of it would be like
24:03well let me give we can't talk about
24:06Johnny he's a client like we need a fake
24:08like fake student name um who is our
24:11fake student Joey no I don't like the J
24:13let's just name it
24:15Rachel Rachel we have Rachel she's our
24:18student and okay that's my student and
24:20then say you're my Consulting supervisor
24:22so in our meetings I would go and would
24:24be like hey well Rachel has been sharing
24:27she doesn't feel ID in her softt skills
24:31I don't know what I can do for her or
24:33and then maybe you would give me some
24:35ideas like so we would I would meet with
24:38you and I would say you know here are
24:39some things that you can do to build her
24:41soft skills before doing this I would
24:43talk about this in your meetings right
24:45and then also sometimes I didn't know
24:47need like support or I felt like I knew
24:49what I was doing so I just be like hey
24:50Kristen Rachel did such a great job
24:53training one of our new hires today I
24:56told her she's doing great and I think
24:58she's ready for the next everything was
25:00Behavior analytic in nature yep and then
25:02she's ready for her next assignment and
25:04then we would go over that yeah so
25:06sometimes it was just updates and like
25:07making sure that I was giving like
25:10proper or quality supervision sometimes
25:12I was seeking support I was going to say
25:14ensuring that you're supported it's
25:16really the main honestly I really liked
25:18my meetings I know I'm like dang I want
25:20to be new again I miss
25:22those am I oh yeah I don't am I missing
25:25anything no you're not missing anything
25:26you got like the main content um there's
25:28like we talked a little bit about the
25:30responsibilities of the Consulting
25:31supervisor themselves so guidance they
25:34again Provide support and ensure
25:36adherence to the bacb code of ethics
25:38that's really number one um and then
25:40liability they're not responsible for
25:42the new supervisor's work but they must
25:44ensure ethical conduct so if I'm your
25:48Consulting supervisor it's not on me
25:51like if you are doing unethical
25:54practices but it's on me to ensure like
25:56that you learn the ethical
25:58practices to help your supervis e no
26:02youer there's a couple more things that
26:03I wanted to mention regarding like the
26:05structure of the Consulting supervisor's
26:08role with the bcba that's been a bcba
26:11for less than a year you didn't forget
26:12anything we just have a lot of notes on
26:13this topic so the number one thing and
26:15these are just uh recommendations from
26:17the bacb not necessarily requirements
26:20but the uh Consulting bcba is
26:23responsible for ensuring that the um
26:26that there's a supervision curriculum
26:27followed by the new bcba um and you also
26:31as the Consulting bcba are responsible
26:33for ensuring that that bcba is providing
26:35effective supervision to their candidate
26:37we kind of touched on that but that is
26:38like one of the number one things you
26:39want to make sure it's an effective
26:41relationship and then finally as a new
26:44bcba it's really hard to like be
26:45organized and have time management
26:46skills so the Consulting bcba will help
26:49the new bcba develop those skills to Be
26:51an Effective supervisor and I know we
26:54touched on this I just wanted to talk
26:55about it a little bit more we talked
26:56about the documentation that we need to
26:59keep for 7 years between the new vcba
27:02and the Consulting supervisor but I had
27:05both so I had like a little sheet that
27:08we kept all our notes on with every
27:10single detail of what we talked about
27:12and then also what's required required
27:14of you is I had to pull it up because I
27:17did not fit it onto my note card is it's
27:19on the bacb website you'll find it it's
27:22the consultating supervision supervision
27:24documentation so really the name of the
27:26new bcba the new supervisor
27:29Certification Number the date they were
27:30certified because remember they have to
27:32be a bcba for 5 years and then on there
27:37it's like the month and year that you
27:38met because you have to meet every month
27:41and then if fieldwork hours are provided
27:43by the new supervisor yes or no and then
27:46just your name and the Certification
27:48Number And I think you sign yep you sign
27:51right there's a little r right under
27:53there so you miss it you might think
27:54it's at the bottom but yes don't forget
27:56to sign it and then this is typically
27:58the responsibility of the Consulting
28:00supervisor to maintain this
28:01documentation it's on both of you to
28:03have it but typically the Consulting
28:05supervisor will like start it and help
28:07you like keep up with it as a new
28:09supervisor cool so let's get into it so
28:13say you're not a new one you've been a
28:15bcba for more than a year you are
28:17qualified what's still required of you
28:20you had to have completed the
28:21supervision course so both of them had
28:24to do right yes so both so these
28:26required these are required of yeah both
28:29the not a new bcba so bcba for more than
28:33a year and then a bcba of a year or less
28:35so they have to complete the bacb a hour
28:38supervision course there are a few
28:40different ones that you can find online
28:42some provide CEUs some don't but you
28:44have to complete that before being a
28:47supervisor you also have to do your
28:50ongoing ceu so you must fulfill ongoing
28:52supervision ceu requirements we talk
28:55about this often um and then your
28:57compliance you cannot have disciplinary
28:59sanctions you must have prior
29:01supervisory experience as well and then
29:03if you don't get some out yes tell
29:06someone make sure you're confident in it
29:08this is when you seek out like a
29:09Consulting supervisor that's if you're
29:11over a year and you've never done
29:13supervision yes you have never
29:14supervised and had any experience with
29:16that the documentation proficient in
29:18session documentation and fieldwork
29:21management so some of these are self uh
29:23assessed skills you have to know like
29:25within yourself are you able to provide
29:28proficient documentation of your
29:29sessions that are happening with your
29:31clients um and then like your fieldwork
29:33management can you hand you have to do
29:34it for someone else yeah this is your
29:36job it's your responsibility you are
29:38responsible for your supervis y um and
29:40then resources access to and navigation
29:43of supervision resources um a lot of
29:46these are found within the bacb website
29:48they have a lot of resources for us use
29:50those at your discretion all right and
29:53then professional growth continuous
29:55engagement and professional development
29:57keep up with your CEUs keep up with
29:58what's going on the field anything
30:00that's up keep up to date with what's
30:01going on yes it's important so kind of
30:04just a question how have you I know we
30:07have we have the silly little podcast so
30:09we just kidding but we we're trying to
30:11maintain our growth are there any other
30:14things that you've done as a supervisor
30:16or as a bcba to help you grow yeah
30:20something that especially when I was in
30:21new bcba cuz I I love research research
30:25is like my thing I like to keep up with
30:26it something that I was doing when I was
30:28just wanting to know like more and more
30:30about like what practices were happening
30:32what changes were happening in the field
30:33is every 2 weeks I would read like an
30:36article from the bacb like you know how
30:38on the bacb website on your portal you
30:40can access like articles and resources I
30:42would find the new ones that are up to
30:44date and I would try and read one every
30:46two weeks and just like take notes on it
30:48and keep up to date that way as well as
30:50obviously like my main C and things like
30:52that see for that the response effort is
30:55too high for me I can't I can't go
30:57through two or three to get on first of
30:59all the bacb website I talk it's super
31:01slow so it takes me forever to get there
31:03then to go on there and then get on
31:05another website and then write in
31:06keywords to find an article is really
31:08hard for me something that I've started
31:10to do is I've followed reputable
31:12accounts on social media that do a
31:16really good job of finding those
31:17articles so that's a little bit easier
31:19for me to access them or they're
31:21discussing these things so I'm able to
31:23find it there and then I can get to what
31:25I need to see I wish I knew the
31:27account's name there's I it's like I
31:29think it's like melanni I don't know her
31:31name on Instagram I wish maybe we will
31:33tag it in the description she would
31:35break down articles monthly like she
31:37would do like a live where she would
31:39like talk about articles that she's read
31:41and she would break it down monthly and
31:42like have like a little live where you
31:44could like talk in the chat and stuff
31:45and I really like that too I feel like
31:47this is a little bit newer where there
31:48weren't this many accounts before post
31:51like when I was a student I don't think
31:53there were that many accounts that I
31:54could follow and get that felt reputable
31:56yeah that felt there were a lot of like
31:58like
31:59fun accounts but not so much providing
32:02education I feel like especially now in
32:03like LinkedIn I can go on every morning
32:06on LinkedIn I'll learn one new thing or
32:07I'll read one new thing about something
32:09that's happening yeah I agree I really
32:11love that we have like so many resources
32:13now social media makes us a little
32:16easier to access that information it
32:18does this is like the sad part so
32:20there's like some things that we the
32:21negativity we have to talk about the
32:23consequences of non-compliance with
32:25these requirements um there would be
32:27discipline actions if you don't meet
32:29these requirements it may lead to
32:31certification restrictions you could
32:33lose your certification you might not be
32:34able to supervise you might have like
32:36practice restrictions or a violation or
32:39a violation um and then reporting so
32:42non-compliance may also result in the
32:44violation notice yeah so and then just
32:47remember they're auditing all the time
32:50you don't know you could be pulled in an
32:52audit you could be the next week yep
32:54yeah they're probably watching this like
32:55look to see who watched it
32:58exactly so yeah just really stay up to
33:00date know the changes that are occurring
33:03cuz there are often changes like
33:05requirements and things that change very
33:06very frequently so and I know this is
33:08the part where I feel like act like all
33:10jokes said I feel very anxious about
33:12sometimes oh my gosh makes me so nerv
33:13it's changed so much even since I was a
33:16student not that like a lot it's like
33:18small little there small little details
33:20but then I know what my supervisor's
33:24experience was and then I know what my
33:25co-workers experiences were and I feel
33:28sometimes it just gets jumbled gets lost
33:29as to like what is the like effective
33:31real way yeah and then also we'll talk
33:36about this one later I think this one's
33:37a good story for later okay I'll save it
33:40stay tuned so I want to also okay now
33:43you know what the requirements are for
33:45yourself if you're the supervisor and
33:47maybe if you're the student some
33:49requirements you should look for in your
33:51supervisor the different types of
33:52supervisors there are so we have
33:54multiple
33:55supervisors and might missing multiple
33:58supervisors the single supervisor um
34:02supervisors that are have been less than
34:04one year more than one year um and then
34:06you're supervis e yep also known as
34:08student all right yeah so kind of went
34:11over everything I don't think we're
34:12missing anything yet might hit some more
34:14things later on but let's go let's shift
34:17gears a little bit and let's start
34:18talking about what another thing that
34:20caused me a lot of anxiety is like once
34:22I had my first student like what do I do
34:25now like oh my God I'm assigned a
34:27student I know you have your Consulting
34:28supervisor but you know try to get your
34:31gears still independent I'm like I want
34:33to be an independent Queen okay yeah so
34:35let's start thinking about what you
34:36should have ready things you should
34:38require your student to have for their
34:41next meeting yeah so my first meeting
34:44with my students is really about setting
34:46the expectations of like our
34:48relationship their role as my student
34:50and what that's going to look like for
34:52them so at my first meeting I always
34:54make sure that one we have our contract
34:56signed um and then I discuss with them
34:59like the requirements of your monthly
35:00verification form so each month you need
35:03to sign your monthly verification form I
35:04tell them about it um and I always like
35:07I'm kind of I'm trying to build
35:08independence with them as well so I let
35:10them know I'm like it's on you to fill
35:13out your monthly verification form and
35:14remember seek out yeah I'm not going to
35:16seek it out I'm not going to be able to
35:17remember that this one's on you and they
35:19know to bring it to me and then it's
35:20within the 30 days so like at the end
35:23say I'm signing a monthly verification
35:25form for June you have 30 days at after
35:28the end of June so you can get it signed
35:29by July 31st or 30th whatever the last
35:32day is um so I always discuss that with
35:35them I get a contract signed um and then
35:38I let them know like what I would expect
35:42of them like when bringing things to all
35:45future meetings so I always ask I set up
35:48like we have our meeting notes and I'm
35:49like you need to bring an agenda and I
35:50will bring an agenda just so that again
35:53I'm building like responsibility on them
35:54their independence they're learning um
35:57like how to host a meeting my supervisor
35:59also did this me where I had like the
36:01autonomy of like picking what to add to
36:04the agenda which I felt like was very
36:05helpful like anything I thought of
36:07during my like sessions I was able to
36:09add when I had my first student I
36:12decided to do the same thing yeah one
36:14thing that you know I did set the about
36:17I did tell them this is what I wanted
36:19what was happening is they were
36:20forgetting to fill it out not doing it
36:22and then we were coming yeah so I was
36:24coming in with the meeting with a lot of
36:25ideas to talk about but they it right
36:29like reevaluating like hey like if you
36:30don't do this yeah it's not going to be
36:33like this well-rounded experience and
36:36yeah in this meeting too like I always
36:37schedule it in an hour because it's a
36:38lot to talk about and like I'm trying to
36:40build rapport with them too I've
36:41probably trying to be mean like this is
36:43everything I expect of you but also
36:45trying to like like what's your style
36:47this is my style exactly like learning
36:49like how they receive feedback best and
36:50things like that but at this meeting I'm
36:52telling them I'm like your super visy
36:55experience is going to be what you make
36:57so it's it can be the most F like a
37:00scare tactic too a little bit because
37:03you know we're still we're doing we're
37:04doing our jobs too like make if they
37:06aren't thinking about seeking we're
37:08still going to provide them with that
37:10experience exactly but you should start
37:13looking into what you want yes so when I
37:14have this conversation I always tell
37:16them so I'm like it's going to be what
37:17you make it so but I do have um we have
37:20our oh my gosh what did we call it
37:22earlier it's like the checklist yeah
37:24it's kind of a checklist like a baseline
37:26skills and your check list so I have
37:28this and they have access to this too
37:30within their like practicum folder so
37:32they know what opportunities are
37:34available to them and we break it down I
37:36think we'll probably talk about this
37:37later we break it down in levels so
37:39these are this is what you should
37:40accomplish within your first 500 hours
37:42these are the it's not crazy stuff it's
37:45very I wonder if we can link it later
37:48yeah it's very simple stuff like your
37:50first couple months this is what you
37:52need to know and it's nothing crazy
37:54we're not asking you to complete an
37:55assessment from start to finish simple
37:58stuff like can you define reinforce yeah
38:01and then like if you don't know it
38:02that's okay because now we have Baseline
38:04and you know this is something you need
38:05to seek out now exactly and these are
38:06things that mostly relate to their job
38:08as a technician so we start with things
38:10that they're going to be doing on their
38:11daily basis as a onetoone tech with
38:13kiddos and then it like gradually the
38:15skills gradually build on there so and
38:17by the end the checklist is built so by
38:19the end you can be a fully functioning
38:21bcva there are some things on the like
38:24last 500 hours that I was like I was
38:26like oh my gosh I wish I would have done
38:28that I think some of them are like has
38:29experience with like terminating staff
38:31member and I'm like oh my gosh I never
38:32did that and then I was in this I worked
38:36here while I was a student so this
38:38checklist wasn't created until after I
38:40was a bcba so I had to do it with my
38:43Consulting supervisor so and I was like
38:47like wait a minute so I was like are we
38:48going to go fire someone who are we
38:50seeking out we didn't do that we did
38:53role play it though so we can create
38:55like not everything is going to happen
38:56naturally you might not be able to drive
38:59it either sometimes so in those
39:00situations we were played yes so kind of
39:03like it got off but that's kind of what
39:05like my first meeting looks like um do
39:08you have like experience with your first
39:10meeting of like things that you loved or
39:12things you've changed as you've been a
39:13bcba for a little
39:14while I think just reminding them that
39:18we were in their spots yeah is helpful
39:21like you know yeah we were students this
39:23is what I usually tell them what I liked
39:25about my experience and you know I hope
39:28to bring that to their experience but
39:30you know if there's anything they want
39:32like they can also give me feedback that
39:34I'm okay with that they can let me know
39:36they want something changed I think
39:38that's something that we don't
39:39necessarily learn in school or it's not
39:41like a requirement from the bacb so it's
39:43not something that we necessarily Target
39:45directly but I think you and I have had
39:46the experience to practice like it isn't
39:49a safe environment for the supervis to
39:51be practicing providing feedback like we
39:53are acceptable or accepting feedback in
39:55these meetings it's important for us
39:57you know I don't think there's anything
39:59else we got our contract signed we went
40:03over the contract we discussed the
40:06monthly supervision forms also what
40:09actually I remembered something how
40:10we're keeping track of our hours cuz
40:12that's a really important thing too yeah
40:14along with the monthly superf form we
40:17need our hours documented so depending
40:21on who you are where you're at some
40:23places have their own trackers where
40:25their tracking hours they also have the
40:26Ripley
40:27old famous r that wasn't around when I
40:29was a student I'm so jealous they they
40:32love it and that's what a lot of my
40:33students use I bought one off of like I
40:36forget what I bought ABC I don't know
40:38one of the websites there was a Tracker
40:40when I was a student the bacb had one
40:42that we were require and they stopped
40:44using and then they stopped like just
40:45kiding it wasn't very it was hard so
40:49also learned like saying like hey we
40:51need to pick
40:52one track it and then I also say like
40:55along with your monthly verification I
40:57want a copy of it so I can see like make
40:59sure everything's looking good I cutt
41:01mine in my students folder so then when
41:02they yeah send me their mvf I'm like
41:04okay I need to cross and then I got to
41:06be like did I really like did I provide
41:08this supervision and did I give you this
41:09task or you know just making sure
41:11everything is checked and also reminding
41:14them if they're choosing their tracker
41:16it is their responsibility so this was
41:18the funny silly story I thought oh gosh
41:20okay tell me oh no there was an incident
41:24I don't know if it was here just in my
41:25brain okay but there was a student and
41:29they had a Tracker that they got from a
41:30friend Co I can't remember cooworker
41:32friend but essentially tracker didn't
41:35work they didn't check it so at the end
41:38of all their hours he thought or she
41:41thought they were done
41:43and oh no they Wen and they W so you
41:46like you got to the end and you were
41:47like so once like the supervisor I I it
41:50wasn't me this this is like a story it
41:53happened history history but she checked
41:56it or he checked it someone realized
41:58that the hours were off and so upset at
42:01the supervisor so upset at his
42:04friend but like I think after that I
42:07learned reminding them it's on you to
42:09make sure everything's working smothly
42:10you know like we can it's we're going to
42:13check it we can troubleshoot it if it's
42:14not working I'll help you figure it out
42:17but it is not anyone else's these are
42:18your hours these are your hours you want
42:20your hours tracked please keep up with
42:22the requirements oh my God that's
42:24hilarious so sad I know it's so sad
42:27yeah and so these requirements these
42:30These are requirements make sure your
42:32tracker works yeah that's I feel like
42:35that's something I want to start adding
42:36to my it's you're like now on us as
42:38super you're like okay this is on my
42:39supervisor now I know that sometimes
42:41they don't work either we all learn
42:43we're learning bcbas do you have any
42:45other fieldwork requirements that you
42:47can think of for myself um that like
42:50requirements from the bacb that we
42:51should be looking at documentation yeah
42:54making sure the hours are met so if
42:56you're supervised you're hitting the do
43:00you remember the unrestricted restricted
43:02numbers yes oh my gosh I know we wanted
43:05to do a whole another episode based off
43:06of like the re yeah so these are we're
43:08going to talk about like brief overview
43:10of your role as a supervisor maybe on
43:13one of our mines I will touch on like
43:15some of those detailed requirements so
43:17you got to have the right percentages of
43:20restricted unrestricted based off of
43:21your fieldwork experience making sure
43:24that's up like you know what that is so
43:26that's is something you'll probably go
43:27over in your contract too make sure it's
43:28in your contract so you'll go over all
43:31of that H contract documentation number
43:35of hours how they're giving it to you
43:39the agenda of the meetings how you're
43:41keeping track of that I think we hit it
43:42all and if you forget something and you
43:45think of something just tell them as
43:46soon as you know yes exactly um and then
43:49we also wanted to talk about like
43:51communication protocols I know you have
43:53a lot of experience with this you're
43:55very clear at communicating and like
43:58so I feel like you like set good
43:59standards and expectations so can you
44:01touch on that like the communication
44:02with your supervis so really just
44:04telling I'm hey I'm busy Sunday nights I
44:08do not work this is just an example like
44:10say I'm busy Sunday nights if you send
44:12me all your assignments or you're asking
44:14me for assignments on the weekend cuz
44:16you're free that day I'm not going to
44:19respond to you probably not going to
44:20respond to you please contact me for
44:23these times just reminding them like hey
44:25I'm a person you know I'm here I usually
44:27am here for emergencies and anything you
44:30may need I'm also a person I'm
44:32compassionate but but you're also trying
44:34to set your firm Bound for yourself and
44:36I feel like this one is like a little
44:38tricky cuz it's happened where people
44:40have reached out like hey like yeah you
44:43know students especially in the
44:43beginning are free on the weekends after
44:45because they got school all yeah and
44:46they're doing their hours on the weekend
44:47they're doing everything so on the
44:49weekends you're getting a lot of
44:50messages like hey can I have an
44:51assignment hey finish this do you have
44:53anything else I can do but the thing is
44:55on Saturday I'm usually out and I don't
44:57have my laptop with me so if you're
44:59trying to get an assignment I'm probably
45:02not going to be able to get you one till
45:03later that evening so knowing those
45:05boundaries and like having like a time
45:06frame something else is like during that
45:09communication conversation you want to
45:11talk about like when we're assigning
45:12things when we're signing things and
45:14then the you're like feedback so it's
45:16like how does this person receive
45:17feedback as a supervisor so this is
45:19something I do currently with my
45:21supervises I really want to know how
45:23they best receive feedback when do they
45:25want it do they want it in the moment or
45:27after like if I'm doing um direct
45:29supervision with a client um but if I'm
45:32like providing assignment feedback do
45:34they want me to go over the feedback in
45:35our meeting do they want me to um over I
45:39do a lot of written feedback but I found
45:41that some supervises they do best if I
45:43describe it to them in person so just
45:46having those conversations ahead of time
45:48and establishing that so that if you do
45:50run into a situation where like somebody
45:52might not be receptive to feedback you
45:54can troubleshoot if it's like on us as
45:56the supervisor did we do something that
45:58they don't understand mhm well that's a
46:00good one I like that do you have you
46:02ever experienced where like a supervisor
46:04might not have been receptive to
46:05feedback or like it was kind of tricky
46:08honestly I I was very lucky with my
46:10students I think all of them were very
46:12receptive of the feedback but I can
46:16think of a situation where my supervisor
46:19had to give me feedback oh gosh yeah and
46:21it was just like I felt like she did a
46:23good job of like doing it but it was
46:25like tricky like I feel like just it
46:28just hurt but like you know hey like she
46:30was very direct and I think she knew
46:32that's how I received feedback I liked
46:34it in the moment it was very I felt like
46:37it was a good way and I felt like I knew
46:38how to handle if I had to do it to
46:40someone yeah oh you had to learn from
46:42that um I want to touch on our code word
46:45number two is actually feedback oh okay
46:48so has any have you actually had to
46:51provide anyone feedback like that um I'm
46:54trying to think of any like direct
46:55feedback that might have like not been
46:57re maybe received negatively or felt
46:59harsh I'm really trying to or maybe I
47:02was harsh and I just didn't know I hope
47:04God what if we're too direct I actually
47:07do have okay going with feedback this
47:09wasn't one of my direct supervises but
47:10it's one of the um students that I work
47:13with um I had heard from another person
47:18that sometimes when I was in the moment
47:20addressing like behaviors with Learners
47:23like I am very almost I'm very direct in
47:26my Superion almost cold and I didn't
47:28realize it I thought I was going in and
47:30just like guiding guiding through the
47:32behavior plan and just being like these
47:34are the expectations if somebody wasn't
47:35necessarily following the behavior plan
47:37I'm very clear with like okay this is
47:38what we're going to do this is why Let's
47:40Do It um and I guess I didn't approach
47:43warmly and I I heard from another um
47:46technician like you know sometimes you
47:50might come in a little strong and people
47:51are intimidated when you come to support
47:53with behaviors so that's a feedback that
47:55I was provided and I had to improve on
47:57and I didn't realize I'm like okay when
47:58I go in for behaviors and I never
48:00intended it like when I go into support
48:02I'm never like thinking that the Tech's
48:04doing anything wrong or anything you're
48:05just trying to guide them through it I
48:06was just very I'm very direct so I
48:08needed to be less direct a and I feel
48:11like this is a hard one though right
48:13know it is yeah there's always every
48:15Situation's unique and you'll figure it
48:17out as you go but just remembering to
48:19change your process if your student
48:21needs something different change it up
48:24if You' provided them with feedback and
48:26honestly like like saying I don't know
48:27did I deliver it in a way that was
48:29receptive were they not receptive to it
48:32reminding them like hey if it's not
48:34working you can come to me yeah and like
48:36that's okay like if you don't hear this
48:38or if like yeah it's not supporting or
48:40if you don't understand or if it hurt
48:42not if it hurt your feelings but if you
48:44are unclear to why it was said or if you
48:46don't appreciate the way that it was
48:47said or where it was said like you know
48:49you don't want to provide it in the
48:50wrong context maybe somebody overheard
48:52and they felt embarrassed so like
48:54providing those means of like hey like
48:56I'm trying to be like compassionate
48:59empathetic with you same with me but if
49:02the situation were to ever arise that
49:04way you have like the middle like you
49:05know what the other person needs or
49:07wants yeah exactly I
49:09agree all right so we just went
49:14through have you ever we talked about
49:17feedback a little bit like next we'll be
49:19talking about Baseline skills okay so we
49:21talked about this a little bit in the
49:23first meeting sometimes I'll have them
49:25take it home cuz it's very long yeah yes
49:27I have a few things with this yeah like
49:29here this we have one at the center that
49:31we've used that they've like established
49:33throughout the fieldwork experience here
49:36it's essentially like every task Lisk
49:38item bunch of skill other soft skills
49:40that you may need and what you're
49:41supposed to do is you're supposed to go
49:43through and rate it yourself on that
49:44scale I used it when I was a student too
49:46and I think they just modified it I
49:48thought it was really helpful to be like
49:50oh crap I don't know any of this like
49:51shoot I didn't realize yep so and then
49:54if I give it to my students they also
49:56see that but then I take that and I'm
49:58like okay like look now we have a
49:59starting point like say what if they're
50:01really good at like all those level one
50:03level two skills yeah my first thing is
50:05like okay they said they can do it maybe
50:08check let's assess it can they do it can
50:11they talk about it can they yes model
50:15model it what's that word and then after
50:17that we can move on to the next skill
50:19say cuz some people may know how to do
50:21it or talk about it but not be able to
50:23do the skill I want to talk about
50:24assessing the skill really quick I have
50:26this beautiful book and I got this as a
50:28gift when I graduated my program and
50:31it's called the ABA supervision handbook
50:34mine is a little outdated mine is with
50:35the previous task list um but they have
50:37the updated one for the current task
50:39list and the future task L that's coming
50:41out they're going to create a new one
50:43I'm obsessed with this book it is
50:45created it's an assessment tool for
50:47students and it breaks it down Sim SE
50:50this it breaks it down similar to the
50:52Able's assessment and so it so Kiren
50:55rate yourself can you collaborate with
50:58others who support and or provide
51:00services to other clients so go ahead
51:02rate yourself one through four I rate
51:04myself a four oh okay so who are you
51:06collaborating with I collaborate with my
51:09um slps the OTS I have previous history
51:12with collaborating with mental health
51:14professionals I reach out to schools and
51:16pediatricians oh nice okay so that's
51:20great so we have our little friend that
51:22we share uh we have I have a meeting
51:26with his PX why don't you come and you
51:28can you can talk about all of the things
51:30you've seen in our session and ask her
51:32if you have any questions wonderful that
51:34sounds great that might be a good way to
51:36like she rated that she had was a four
51:38now I want to see can she can she like
51:41do it um what I love about this book
51:43though it breaks it down and it tells
51:45you like um what the expectation is so
51:49it's like supervis is able to identify
51:51and collaborate with all necessary
51:53stakeholders and individuals outside of
51:55the field of ab such as like slps OTS
51:58teachers Etc but it breaks it down
52:00measurably and as bcbas we know we love
52:02a measurable criteria so I am obsessed
52:05with that book I will link it down below
52:07um the editors if you want to send me a
52:09new copy for the new task list I would
52:11love it um me and your here
52:15too um and then something else that I do
52:17with my students with like the rating so
52:19we have like that rating scale that we
52:21have for our students but I also I just
52:24provide them explicitly with the um task
52:26list that they are achieving so like
52:28currently the task list um six is my
52:30students and she like I have rate
52:33herself 1 to three on all of the task
52:35list items as well um because I found
52:38that a lot of students don't realize
52:39like they are familiar with the content
52:40but they don't have experience with it
52:42yeah makes sense like that so I want to
52:45start talking about the nature of
52:48supervision okay so this is you know we
52:52our jobs is to monitor their skills that
52:55they're like learning throughout their
52:57field experience so there's different
52:59ways we could be doing this so we could
53:02be monitoring their progress by making
53:04watching them in session with their
53:05clients which I feel like is the easiest
53:07most common things that happen the most
53:10often if you're lucky enough to work
53:12with the bcba you're getting inperson
53:14supervision there are people that are
53:16paying for their supervision outside or
53:18getting outside supervision so they have
53:19videos that they're providing making
53:22sure those are you got all the rules
53:24figured out for those ethical
53:26considerations but then kind of like
53:28making sure you're getting if you are
53:30someone that's getting Say the video or
53:33other form or T Health supervision I did
53:36rece making sure you get all forms of it
53:39on that if you're in that spot yes like
53:42understanding those I think that one of
53:43the hardest things with telea health
53:45supervision is uh just feeling confident
53:49as the supervis with the skills so it's
53:52like only so much I feel like can be
53:54seen virtually so as the supervisor
53:57using tella Health you need to establish
54:00like assessing skills that
54:02I could you come in one day yeah and
54:06supervise or if you are can you
54:08collaborate collaborate with other bcbas
54:11in the center or where they're working
54:13if they can go in and supervise might be
54:15helpful and I think this is one of the
54:16new requirements that'll be changing
54:17within 2026 as well like you have to
54:20have be like within the same location um
54:22think yeah I think it's a good one
54:25things are changing and then also is
54:28there anything else you wanted to touch
54:29on on that um kind of just like with
54:31monitoring your training skills just do
54:33regular check-ins to discuss like the
54:35skill development maybe going back to
54:37that Baseline sheet we filled out
54:39checklist hey like where are we feeling
54:41I try and assess it like at their um
54:44like when their seasons change for
54:46school so if they're in a new semester
54:47at the end of their semester I will
54:49assess where they are standing and I
54:52think what one thing that changed like
54:54while I had a student was the field
54:56coordinator was also meeting with the
54:58students here checking in on their hours
55:00but also checking in on all of this
55:02stuff okay is there anything you're
55:03missing out on that's why I love that we
55:05have a fieldwork coordinator because
55:07they are it's like a double system for
55:09that supervis they are like they don't
55:12necessarily like if say they might be
55:13having a negative experience they also
55:15have a second person to be like I'm not
55:17getting any of the experiences on this
55:18task list I need a I need something to
55:21change kind of thing so it just checks
55:23it checks us checks and balances yeah
55:25there a lot of rules yes there's a lot
55:28of like Nuance not like nuances that we
55:31have to make sure that we're like
55:32reaching that we get all the
55:34requirements so it's good to have that
55:36yes checks and balances all right next I
55:38wanted to talk about setting and
55:40communicating performance expectations
55:43okay just like our clients we should set
55:46specific measurable goals for the traine
55:48such as mastering a particular behavior
55:50intervention technique so say I'm trying
55:53to teach you how to train Tech
55:56or provide supervision to a tech you
55:58know yeah providing clear goal for that
56:01yeah what would be my observable
56:03measurable goal H kir I don't know why I
56:06want to call you Rachel cuz I
56:08hadel Kiren will
56:10provide positive feedback to
56:16technician three times during one
56:19observation session I good am I missing
56:21anything no I need I need I like to have
56:23things right trying to yeah I'm like
56:25thinking about it visually I'm like my
56:26Mastery criteria three times per session
56:28across how many times across let's say
56:31three sessions because I can get you
56:33three sessions it's easy to I would say
56:35maybe maybe more but then also can
56:37Kirsten
56:39provide H do I want to say negative
56:43constr constru yeah I'm like thinking
56:44positive negative reinforcement can
56:46Kiren provide constructive feedback to
56:49technician same on three occasions
56:52during a session or three consecutive
56:55sessions perfect MH something like that
56:57yeah just something observable and I
56:59think that it's just really important to
57:02we are bcbas we think of things in data
57:04so we shouldn't lack that within our
57:06students as well I also really like to
57:08set measurable goals for like how many
57:11assessments that they'll complete like I
57:13don't want to send my supervis out into
57:15the bcba world like say they've never
57:17done an initial assessment or like
57:19they've only done one VB map but they've
57:21never done it independently or other
57:24assessments you're right so like I said
57:25like just like goals for them like that
57:27like my student she just those are
57:29easier not my crazy ones that I just
57:31made up I do love those because I like
57:33soft skill goals I think those are
57:35lacking a little bit but I do set like
57:37expectations for like my assessments and
57:38things like that so just think about
57:40what well-rounded bpas you want to
57:42create and enhance and that's why maybe
57:45going over a supervision curriculum
57:48having one discussing it with your
57:49Clinical Director or fieldwork
57:51coordinator if you have one for new bcba
57:53a Consulting supervisor so important to
57:55make sure you're hitting everything
57:57there's a lot of skills that you could
57:58be teaching your student there's going
58:00to be a lot of situations that come up
58:02there's a lot of behavior analytic
58:04principles that you also need to learn
58:06along with skills make sure you're
58:08hitting each and every one mhm all right
58:12so let's go
58:15into nature of supervision yes MH I kind
58:18of touched on this already a little bit
58:19when trying to get like every type like
58:22in person yeah so a little yeah we got
58:25excited
58:26we moved on um but like observing and
58:28providing feedback on training
58:30performance so during your session you
58:33want to take detailed notes on the
58:34trainee's performance so always have
58:37like specific notes to work towards like
58:39your supervision shouldn't just be like
58:41okay I observed them I can mark it off
58:44you need to have like detailed notes for
58:46that supervision and what they could
58:48work towards what they achieved
58:50providing that positive feedback one
58:52thing is also like modeling what you're
58:54expecting yes need to do one thing I
58:57felt like was very hard and I don't
58:59think anyone like meant harm for it but
59:00like hey like you need a task to do go
59:04write me a bip yeah but like wait a
59:06minute like I've seen a bip but how do I
59:10write a bip and you know it might not be
59:12you can't sit and watch someone write a
59:13bit like say it takes me 3 hours but you
59:15can go over the main yes subjects you're
59:18like hey like this is what you need this
59:19is how I do it I set myself down I break
59:22it down like a task list like so I start
59:24with like okay I'm going to teach my
59:25student how to write some antient
59:26strategies okay they've got that I've
59:28taught them how to write a goal got that
59:30and put it all into one put it together
59:32now what are my reactive strategies that
59:34kind of thing um a tip that I like to do
59:38is invite the traine to observe you
59:40during like your specific client
59:42meetings whether that be with like the
59:43parent or if you're meeting like if
59:45you're supervising another learner that
59:47they don't have experience with and
59:49you're working on like a bip or goals
59:51and things within your session using
59:53that like times that you're going to be
59:55working on those skills as opportunities
59:57for them to observe one thing that we've
59:59seen here and that like I've gotten the
1:00:01chance to do is like when I was being
1:00:03invited in on these like meetings like
1:00:05supervision was that slowly the goal was
1:00:07for me to First like observe and then
1:00:10slowly be the person like
1:00:12providing so then we can test like do
1:00:14they have the ability to provide
1:00:17feedback are they able to think like
1:00:20Behavior analytically and provide shape
1:00:22their behavior cuz that's hard too yeah
1:00:26I feel like I mean yeah you would think
1:00:28they have all of these skills they've
1:00:29learned about it in school but in
1:00:31practice you don't get to see a lot of
1:00:33you see the behavior analytic principles
1:00:35being applied with a client but not so
1:00:37much and their onetoone technician role
1:00:39I think we it's hard for us sometimes to
1:00:41see them in like a bcba setting I really
1:00:43like that that's a good point for them
1:00:44to
1:00:45acknowledge um we also want to guide the
1:00:47development of case conceptualization
1:00:50problem solving and decisionmaking
1:00:52skills so presenting them with like
1:00:55complex pieces to work through and the
1:00:57trainee should be like working through
1:00:59it with you and like if they get stuck
1:01:01that's when you guide them like model
1:01:03the process of developing like a
1:01:05treatment plan for difficult cases or a
1:01:07behavior plan for difficult cases and
1:01:09encourage them to ask questions um and
1:01:11offer like their ideas like don't just
1:01:14do it for them like if they get stuck
1:01:16don't do it for them I encourage my
1:01:18students to like go look back at their
1:01:20notes if I know that they've been
1:01:21working on this in school or Hey where's
1:01:23your Cooper book if you were on your own
1:01:25how would you figure it out yes exactly
1:01:27Independence one thing is one tip that I
1:01:30have is like giving your student when
1:01:32they're ready a case to work on as like
1:01:35bcba so yeah you're still supervising it
1:01:38but they're like the mini bcba
1:01:40essentially so they're keeping up with
1:01:42all the program updates they're making
1:01:44updates after they consult with you of
1:01:45course but then that's also the case
1:01:48that they might be in like supervision
1:01:50with you the most that might be like
1:01:52like they're writing the bip for that
1:01:54client they're making all necessary so
1:01:56when a behavior occurs you can be like
1:01:57what do you want to do exactly like you
1:02:00give them the autonomy to get to know a
1:02:01client in and out like all the ins and
1:02:03outs of everything I do this a lot of
1:02:06times I have students who might be
1:02:07earlier in their experience and they
1:02:09don't have as much free time like they
1:02:11might be working like 38 hours a week
1:02:13directly with Learners so they don't
1:02:15have a lot of free time so if they're
1:02:16assigned to one of my cases I take a
1:02:18mini case load as a learner that they're
1:02:20working with oh that's good and then I
1:02:22do reverse supervision because a lot the
1:02:24feedback that I've received recently
1:02:26from supervises is that they're not
1:02:28getting enough opportunity to practice
1:02:29supervision because they are always
1:02:31teching which is hard it's so hard and
1:02:33like they feel like they're lacking that
1:02:35experience so I ask to swap supervision
1:02:37with them so I'm like okay I'm planning
1:02:39to supervise you on Wednesday 10 to 12
1:02:41for 10 to 11: I'm going to be the tech
1:02:43and I want you to supervise me I want
1:02:45you to guide me on these practices
1:02:47that's really good and I feel like that
1:02:48is the hard thing it is yeah time it's
1:02:51nice that you're providing them cuz
1:02:52you're great supervisor with the
1:02:54experience I feel like a lot of the
1:02:56times you hear like people just want you
1:03:00do the work for
1:03:02them be the assistant but it is your job
1:03:06to shape this person to be a good this
1:03:08is their experience to become your baby
1:03:10this is my like child within the ABA
1:03:12World exactly so try remembering that
1:03:15and take on some of those like harder
1:03:16tasks like being the tech the day and
1:03:19sometimes like you're yeah good for and
1:03:20I find it fun like I'm like I love teing
1:03:22so I'm like oh my gosh now I have so
1:03:23many more ideas like I sometimes we
1:03:25don't get that experience as often as
1:03:27we'd like right so another one I want to
1:03:29talk about is reviewing and providing
1:03:31feedback on written materials we touched
1:03:33on this a little bit but just kind of an
1:03:35example of this is after you reviewed a
1:03:37behavior plan with uh a trainee provide
1:03:39specific feedback okay so I know we can
1:03:42say like you turned in this assignment
1:03:45or you turned in you an assment yeah you
1:03:47gave me an assessment I could very
1:03:48easily say looks good done done or I
1:03:52could say eh it wasn't the best but just
1:03:54leave it at that
1:03:56that's not enough for this person to go
1:03:58change their behavior right so I need to
1:04:00tell them like I liked how Behavior
1:04:02specific praise right like I liked how
1:04:04you did this right here but then also
1:04:08say your language wasn't proper or
1:04:11something in a different section I had
1:04:12to like a lot I had to make a lot of
1:04:14grammatical corrections to just showing
1:04:16them like look I just made these changes
1:04:17here going forward maybe be more mindful
1:04:19of your spelling I was the student like
1:04:23I cannot spell still to this day are
1:04:26text back and forth yeah like if if
1:04:28you're texting me you're not going to
1:04:29get a good text but you know I remember
1:04:31I got the feedback like hey like grammar
1:04:34make sure you're proof reading it once
1:04:35or twice yeah and I was pretty mindful
1:04:38after that you're like dang I've heard
1:04:39it three times now got it but you know
1:04:43we're all people like we all know
1:04:45ourselves but sometimes it's helpful to
1:04:47just have it like especially like on
1:04:49those long Behavior plans or assessments
1:04:51written out for you so you can go back
1:04:54and look at it and I like to have
1:04:56um like a rubric for my tech or for my
1:04:59supervis if they're doing an assignment
1:05:00I don't just throw them in there blindly
1:05:02and be like here you go I have a rubric
1:05:04for them to follow so they know the
1:05:05guidelines and then I refer back to that
1:05:07when I'm assessing it and like grading
1:05:08it do you provide them with models like
1:05:11hey this is like an assessment I've done
1:05:13you can look at it I have I call it my
1:05:14students know it as my Mickey Mouse
1:05:16assessment so I have it's like my I did
1:05:19it as a student and it's like my most
1:05:20perfect assessment I'm like it's
1:05:22literally like everything that insns
1:05:24could ever want so I have it as my
1:05:26template and I'm like this is like a
1:05:28perfect assessment what you should be
1:05:29like looking for within like what it
1:05:31should look like and then also I don't
1:05:33know what speak of Assessments it came
1:05:35to me like but trying to you know like
1:05:38when you're writing assessments like one
1:05:40thing or something I supervisor told me
1:05:42was like hey remember who else is
1:05:44reading this other than like like
1:05:46parents are also reading these reports
1:05:48like reminding them like it's not just
1:05:50me that's reading it like insurance
1:05:52company's going to see this parents are
1:05:53going to see this one thing I learned
1:05:55was like don't say the cannot do oh my
1:05:59gosh yeah cuz I used to write it like
1:06:01you as a student I would write like cuz
1:06:03when I would Google examples that's what
1:06:05you find that's what you find so if this
1:06:07is something you want to shape in a
1:06:08person telling them maybe like the why
1:06:10too like might be reading this and
1:06:12you're telling their child can't talk
1:06:14we're developing these soft skills
1:06:16within hard skills so maybe even writing
1:06:18that in your comments could be very
1:06:20helpful yeah I
1:06:22agree um we also want to oversee and
1:06:25evaluate the impact of the trainee's
1:06:27service delivery fancy terms we want to
1:06:30track like a client progress under the
1:06:32trainee guidance and review the data and
1:06:34supervision sessions with them so
1:06:36showing that the decisions that they're
1:06:38making or the behavior that they're
1:06:39engaging in with their learner is
1:06:41resulting an effective uh results so
1:06:44cool like you decided you wanted to put
1:06:46in a replacement behavior for mouthing
1:06:49and you provided them with the chewy
1:06:51let's look at the data like after you
1:06:53put in the face change light for when
1:06:54the chewy they decrease the
1:06:56behavior so just showing them like how
1:06:58you could do that yes and that's
1:07:00empowering them too it gives them like
1:07:02data to look at to be like oh my gosh
1:07:03check out the decision I made and how
1:07:05like great an impact it is and also say
1:07:07you made a decision and it didn't go so
1:07:09well y that's hard too allowing them the
1:07:11autonomy though with like a judgement
1:07:13this didn't work like okay when is the
1:07:15best time to change this intervention
1:07:17yes cuz there's so many opportunities
1:07:19like how long it yeah before you do
1:07:20change it and reminding them that like
1:07:22as experienced bcbas we choose
1:07:25interventions all the time that don't
1:07:26result in effective like there's a
1:07:28million ways there's a million scenarios
1:07:31that could happen within this one
1:07:32learning opportunity so just try to
1:07:33remember that with each one we're trying
1:07:35it's like these are all tips air like
1:07:37these are all little points that we're
1:07:38making but there's so many ways to go
1:07:40with it as long as you're using like
1:07:41evidence-based practices give it your
1:07:43best and like we're all learning uh next
1:07:46one evaluating the effectiveness of
1:07:48supervision through fieldwork okay so
1:07:51this is really for this is Peri asking
1:07:54the trainy for feed back on the
1:07:55supervision process I know we've talked
1:07:57about this a little bit already so we'll
1:07:59just touch on it like do you feel
1:08:00supported is there anything I could do
1:08:02for you is there anything you feel like
1:08:04you're lacking anything you want to
1:08:06learn right now you aren't learning it's
1:08:08an open space I use this time like I
1:08:11talk a lot about like their um semesters
1:08:14for school but I'm like what are you
1:08:15learning in school and that you want to
1:08:16apply like learning to apply the
1:08:19concepts is really really tricky
1:08:20sometimes so it's like okay tell me what
1:08:22you need from me to get these
1:08:24experiences and all of these are kind of
1:08:26examples of things you can do in your
1:08:27individual supervision session I know we
1:08:29already talked about this but it's that
1:08:31I just want to touch on it one more time
1:08:32cuz we're about to go into I have a code
1:08:34word I don't want to forget it before we
1:08:36move on the code word three before I
1:08:38forget is skills our last code word
1:08:41we're
1:08:43done okay so we just talked about all of
1:08:47the things you want to try to hit on
1:08:48during your individual supervision
1:08:51session so this is your scheduled
1:08:53regular one toone meetings any times
1:08:55you're bringing them into your
1:08:57supervisions stuff of that sort you're
1:08:59using this time to
1:09:01Deep dive deep into specific case issues
1:09:05their specific skill set remember we're
1:09:08trying to keep things consistent here
1:09:10try to have a consistent schedule for
1:09:12yeah you want to schedule at meeting
1:09:13time that's it could be bi-weekly or
1:09:15weekly whatever like fits you best
1:09:17depending on how much supervision you're
1:09:19getting like one-on-one with Learners so
1:09:21I want to touch on kind of the other
1:09:23supervisions that you could be writing
1:09:26or that you might get as a student y so
1:09:29number one let's start with observation
1:09:32with the client okay all right so you
1:09:36have your individual supervisor they may
1:09:37or may not be the person that provides
1:09:39this next category of supervision but if
1:09:42you've got multiple supervisors at your
1:09:44organization you might have someone else
1:09:46providing that client like observation
1:09:49with you but your one-on-one supervisor
1:09:51should be doing it as well you can
1:09:52always ask them like hey could you come
1:09:54in too
1:09:55I want to see this something like to
1:09:57keep in mind as a tip is like this can
1:09:59rotate between the different methods the
1:10:01observation can take place so it can be
1:10:03like directly observed in person this
1:10:05can be a telea health observation um or
1:10:08even this is something that I think gets
1:10:10forgotten is like a recorded video and
1:10:12this one's hard because you got to make
1:10:14sure you're following Hipp yes there's
1:10:15Hippa guidelines and things like that
1:10:17but this is something that I had to do
1:10:18as a student with my um practicum like
1:10:21professors I would have to like get
1:10:23supervision with them assignments it's
1:10:26so like awkward but I feel like it's
1:10:28also the one where like the person
1:10:30observing might not know the client so
1:10:32they're really just have no bias when
1:10:34they're watching you yeah it's yeah it's
1:10:35a little uncomfortable sometimes and you
1:10:37have to watch it with them as a student
1:10:39really I don't like it so really this is
1:10:41when you would be observing the trainee
1:10:43working with the client via all those
1:10:46different methods that you just shared
1:10:48and then you would provide real time
1:10:50feedback through a like inperson super
1:10:52like right there and then or if they've
1:10:54requested it after after after or
1:10:56written depending on what you've choosen
1:10:58or what you're comfortable with what
1:11:00works for you and then this would be
1:11:03either in the session or immediately
1:11:04after the session really okay yeah all
1:11:06right you touched on it next is group
1:11:09supervision and this is something I'm
1:11:10like still learning as a bcba I didn't
1:11:13have experience with this as a supervis
1:11:15um but there when you you can have group
1:11:17supervision for students like a number
1:11:20of students from two students to 10
1:11:22students and this is a group supervision
1:11:25the trainees roleplay different
1:11:26scenarios provide feedback to each other
1:11:28you might be talking about specific
1:11:30topics relating to like shared Learners
1:11:33um we really want to ensure that the
1:11:35group size allows for Meaningful
1:11:37participation so that's why there's the
1:11:39requirement from the be to be for two to
1:11:4110 you don't want it to be too many
1:11:42people where they're not going to get or
1:11:43too little if it's just you not a
1:11:47grp but
1:11:50going like around this this could be
1:11:53like you don't want all there's a
1:11:54requirement for how many there are a
1:11:57month or how it can't be I believe more
1:11:59than half uh yeah and we'll have to yeah
1:12:02we'll dive in when we talk about the
1:12:03other like percentages that we're going
1:12:05to touch on in like a different episode
1:12:07um but we'll touch on that one then so
1:12:09there's requirements for that and then
1:12:10alongside that it doesn't like so it's a
1:12:14little easy if you have like two or
1:12:15three students right like hey let's all
1:12:17meet my supervisor would do this and we
1:12:19would go over like terminology and stuff
1:12:22and would dive into that or we would be
1:12:24like
1:12:25just like we would role play a lot just
1:12:27me and my supervisor and our others it
1:12:29was Jenny Jenny Jenny we would go over
1:12:32things in our meetings like that in our
1:12:34group supervision settings but because
1:12:36we had a field work coordinator one cool
1:12:38thing we did was we had larger groups
1:12:42around like six sixish us usually sixish
1:12:45so one other thing to keep in mind is
1:12:48that your group should be similar in
1:12:50skill set so you can have a really brand
1:12:52new student and a higher
1:12:55higher there no higher skilled student
1:12:58in the same group because you couldn't
1:12:59be working on the same things together a
1:13:02lot oh sorry go ahead a lot of things
1:13:03that we do Within These group
1:13:04supervisions at like our current
1:13:06location is we try and hone in on
1:13:09experiences that they may not be getting
1:13:11directly with clients so much or like
1:13:13have experience with right um so like
1:13:16those like novel things we and we also
1:13:18do like little like trainings with them
1:13:20on how to do ioa data and they practice
1:13:22with each other just like things that
1:13:23they don't get direct experience with
1:13:25really like that I remember when it
1:13:27started here you know essentially we
1:13:28were doing we were learning so a lot of
1:13:31the things we did was like because we
1:13:32were all brand new we would do there was
1:13:34a book it was like many cases and we
1:13:36would like look at it together and be
1:13:37like what's the what could be changed
1:13:40what's the issue here we would go over
1:13:42that as a group sometimes in the group
1:13:44supervisions we would have assignments
1:13:46we needed to do before right and then
1:13:48the bring it was nice because we I'm
1:13:50sure now if someone wasn't bringing in
1:13:52their work that was like something they
1:13:53could talk about and get Fe on it's like
1:13:56feedback opportunities yep I really love
1:13:58that so I like that part of it as well
1:14:00and that's really the different types of
1:14:02those are all the types of supervision
1:14:03we can provide so I feel like there's so
1:14:06much left still because there's so much
1:14:08to this so I feel like remembering there
1:14:11are a lot of requirements go on the bacb
1:14:13website read through them read the
1:14:16newsletters they're boring okay it's
1:14:18hard they're not fun but it's our duty
1:14:21as we SP to read the newsletters and
1:14:22stay up to date on like the requirements
1:14:24um and they send them in our email they
1:14:26make it easy for us they're trying to
1:14:28reduce the response effort now we just
1:14:29have to read it yep so this was just a
1:14:32small part of it we'd love to do more on
1:14:34this topic cuz it's very deep especially
1:14:37like getting into like different types
1:14:38of tasks you could be like I know we
1:14:41touched on it but there's so much this
1:14:44task L is like three pages long so we'll
1:14:45end it today cuz I got to get home to my
1:14:47child yes I'm so glad you're back in the
1:14:49studio you I miss filming in person with
1:14:52you all right bye guys talk to you later
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