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0:00hello and welcome back to the blossoming
0:02together podcast today K and I will be
0:04talking about common mistakes bcbas make
0:06and some of the common mistakes we've
0:08made in our own practices so let's go
0:10over the objectives first the first
0:12objective is identifying common mistakes
0:14in ABA practices to anal analyzing the
0:18impact of common mistakes and um the
0:21third one is develop strategies for
0:23avoiding common mistakes and then apply
0:25reflective practices and self-
0:27assessment techniques to identify areas
0:29of Improvement oo all right so the first
0:32one I have first Common mistake I feel
0:34like we've seen across the board while
0:37we've been working things I've read on
0:38like Reddit and the Facebook group is
0:41that a lot of bcbas aren't conducting
0:44functional analyses yeah like conducting
0:46functional analyses or completing like
0:48full functional Behavior Assessments in
0:50general and I feel like this I agree I
0:52don't always there's been a lot of times
0:54I haven't always done it either just
0:56even I feel like there's that barrier I
0:58wasn't taught how to do a through FBA or
1:01like each of the stats yep even in
1:03school I feel like we were always
1:05assigned this project and even I've seen
1:06other students assign this project and
1:09when we go to like your supervisor they
1:11are told like oh there's no time we
1:13can't build for that yeah so some yeah
1:15like sometimes I just see um only ABC
1:18data being collected for behaviors which
1:20is it's really important we do ABC data
1:23there needs to be more there yeah
1:24there's so many more steps like you got
1:26to start with interviewing the parent um
1:29and getting to know like the problem
1:30behavior and talk to your text and
1:32getting to know what that looks like and
1:33collecting other there's more other
1:35types of data other than ABC data what
1:37kind of dat are you thinking I me like
1:39time sampl frequency data stuff of that
1:41sort and then also there are other
1:43assessment tools you can use like Fast
1:46yes the fast um oh my gosh I forget the
1:48one q i for what is it called QB QB
1:51something QB something we We'll add it
1:53to it later but that's one of them I'm
1:55thinking a lot so when I was a practicum
1:58student I really enjoyed like my school
2:00program cuz um I had these I think I've
2:02talked about in the past we had these
2:03forms that I had to get done each
2:05semester to like say if I was competent
2:07in an area or not and one of the areas
2:10that we had to do was functional
2:11analyses when I brought it to my
2:13practicum supervisor she was like I've
2:15never done but I this is what happens
2:18and every time you do they're like let's
2:19just make one up a lot of schools allow
2:22this they're like you're allowed to be
2:24like make up a client yeah mine we
2:26weren't allowed to so we ended up like
2:27doing it I think what
2:30there's like a barrier for us as
2:32practitioners we can't do FAS often
2:34because they take a lot of resources
2:36they take a lot of individuals you have
2:38to pay a lot of people for that billing
2:40they take a lot of time and money um so
2:43but we don't take into consideration
2:44there's like so many other fa options
2:46now you can do like the um modified fa
2:49or like hanley's fa right you want to
2:51talk a little bit have you did you get
2:52to do that I've done a little bit of
2:55like hanley's fa so I just I don't know
2:57I like his procedures that he's written
2:59out he's great everyone else handly like
3:01that there's been me and you were
3:02talking and there's been a lot of times
3:04where you've like inherited a case and
3:06when you read through like the bip it
3:07just says like through observation and
3:10I'm wondering like what does that mean
3:12like did they see it once did they see
3:14it twice and like function like come up
3:16with a function not make up a function
3:18yeah but like identify the function
3:19based on want observation something else
3:21that I've seen is they um have
3:23identified the function after just
3:25talking to one person in that child's
3:27life like if that was the technician or
3:28just one parent based on one instance of
3:32behavior but we have to like take into
3:33consideration that some of these
3:35behaviors might be on um like a variable
3:39ratio schedule of reinforcement they're
3:40have they're being reinforced
3:41intermittently so we need a sample of
3:43data before we can identify necessarily
3:45what the function is and I feel like
3:47this happens a lot because you know I've
3:49been in the shoes too where you know
3:51someone's coming to you like either
3:53parent or technician or maybe teacher
3:55they're saying this behavior is
3:56happening I don't know what to do you
3:58feel like you're the person that's
3:59suppos fix it and we are on like a time
4:01crunch have do quickly and get them a
4:03plan you don't know how severe the
4:05behavior may be so you just come up with
4:07the plan that you think is going to be
4:09best you're forgetting such a crucial
4:11part of what needs to be done course I
4:13think so too and I think something else
4:15to like think about is it's okay to have
4:18a a time period I know that sometimes
4:20there are clients or Learners with
4:22severe behaviors and I think we are
4:25rushing to get the behavior plan done
4:27because a lot of times the technician
4:28needs to know what to do our other
4:29services parents need to know what to do
4:31you can take the data for you can take
4:33some time and if it's something severe
4:34you can still block it you like if it's
4:37like severe headbanging it's fine to
4:39like intervene and like block that and
4:41redirect that but you would just note
4:42that I sometimes even like yeah like we
4:45want to keep the learner safe at all
4:47times but I like to like especially when
4:49I'm talking to technicians like in the
4:51interim between the time like the client
4:53starts and I create their behavior plan
4:54sometimes the tech will be like what do
4:55I do in the meantime I'm like don't do
4:57anything different because if they're
4:58doing if you're doing procedures
5:00changing things yeah if you're doing
5:02interventions that's impacting the ABC
5:04data that's not Baseline you're now
5:06adding a treatment without like having
5:08um like basis for the treatment and it's
5:10so you're not a bad bcba for doing that
5:13you can remind them like a plan is
5:14coming I just need to take some more
5:17data I have a few more people to talk to
5:20and then we'll get you a plan yeah and I
5:22think that's totally fine like like you
5:23said that we do want to ensure that the
5:25learner is safe so if this is a severe
5:26Behavior case let's like think of a
5:28different way to collect data that might
5:30be the time for the fa so we can have
5:32quicker data from like exactly what the
5:35behavior is going to look like I agree
5:37what else do you feel like is a common
5:38mistake that's being made um lack of
5:41collaboration with like caregivers and
5:44stakeholders um sometimes when we are
5:48like doing intakes or creating treatment
5:52plans we are creating those without
5:55considering like what is necessary for
5:57the learner's family and like what is
5:59going to be important to them based on
6:01goalss we are writing the goals like
6:03this is what I think is appropriate for
6:05this learner at their developmental
6:06level but we need to think of what's
6:08socially significant for the family and
6:10if it's if other caretakers can also
6:12Implement those strategies right you
6:14know what works for them we've talk
6:15about this a lot like trying to be
6:17compassionate and have some empathy for
6:18what's going on outside of the clinic
6:21what their home life may be and just
6:23coming up with plans based off of what
6:25you see in one place is not enough no it
6:28has to yeah it has to be generalizable
6:30to their home life and like you said
6:32those the treatment plans that we decide
6:35especially for Behavior plans before
6:38deciding writing don't spend all your
6:39time writing up a behavior plan or a
6:40treatment plan just for the family to
6:42say there's not a chance I can work on
6:44that at home or there's not a like this
6:47goal isn't important to me I don't
6:49really care that if my child does this
6:51all right guys so our first code word is
6:53growth I have to implement this plan
6:56right CU it's not just parents it's like
6:58teachers it's siblings like say it's
7:01like attention maintained will the
7:02siblings accidentally intervene trying
7:04to find out everyone that may be
7:06involved in that situation yeah I think
7:08that too and something that I think we
7:09need to be mindful of is like other
7:11caregivers that are in their life too
7:13like grandparents um I have a lot of
7:15families where their grandparents are
7:17also like I have a grandparent who comes
7:19to every parent meeting because they
7:21want to be involved in the treatment and
7:22they know that they are 3/4 of this
7:25child's day is like from the parents so
7:27they want to be able to apply it too
7:29good yes another one is inconsistent
7:32implementation of strategies okay so you
7:35put it into the bip but you're not
7:39ensuring that everyone's conducting or
7:41doing it the same way oh my gosh Fidel
7:44Fidelity checks right so this happens a
7:46lot you know we're in Center we're
7:47ensuring everything in Center is going
7:49great we try like make also making sure
7:52we're watching both technician if they
7:54have two or three technicians andur
7:55they're all getting supervision on top
7:57of that making sure parents are
7:59conducting it properly we give them the
8:02tools but then are we like checking to
8:05see yeah I have parents join like my
8:08sessions to do an observation or like
8:10modeling it like through that use BST
8:12for them so you do the whole like
8:15explain it to them then you model it for
8:17them and then check to see if they're
8:19able to do it you provide them feedback
8:21on how they're implementing it and I
8:22feel like this is the one that gets
8:23missed the most too cuz when you are we
8:26talked about parent trainings before
8:28when you are doing parent training they
8:29need to be of quality you need to spend
8:31a lot of time doing them you make sure
8:33you're providing these opportunities for
8:35you to check it's not just a checkin no
8:37you shouldn't just like sometimes it is
8:39really important for that parent they
8:41need that like check-in for the week but
8:42like dedicate time to also learn the
8:45skills that you want them to teach
8:46that's where it comes in with your um
8:49parent training goals you want your
8:51parent training goals to reflect the
8:53goals that are in your report and having
8:55parents apply them at home right and if
8:57parents aren't implementing or care rers
8:59aren't implementing this at home then
9:01it's just going to go down the drain
9:03that's when you're going to get parents
9:04coming and be like oh my gosh I see all
9:05these skills here at the center you're
9:07seeing so much why am I not seeing it at
9:09home and that's the worst and then I
9:11feel like this is also one of those
9:12things you get stuck you don't a lot of
9:14us a lot of bcbas don't get proper
9:16training on how to conduct parent
9:18training and then they're just trying to
9:19wing it when they're there and then they
9:21miss this really crucial step right and
9:23I feel like like it's okay like we've
9:25all been there remembering that too and
9:27I think with inconsistent implementation
9:29two like yes we train we supervise our
9:32technicians um like if they have two
9:34technicians we try and supervise both of
9:36them modify your teaching strategy based
9:39on which Tech like technician you're
9:41supervising because they're going to
9:43learn differently and we are all human
9:45like you and I are going to do things
9:47differently so they might do things a
9:48little bit differently but just ensure
9:50that they're getting like the core of
9:52what you're treatment is yeah I get that
9:56also I kind of feel like it's okay like
9:59remembering like if someone's making a
10:00mistake like it's okay to give them that
10:03feedback like parents especially I feel
10:05like this is where people get like
10:06really tripped up too like well like
10:08they feel like oh yeah we're working for
10:10the parent but no like you're really
10:11there for the client too and like like
10:14this will help our client if I give them
10:15this feedback and the thing is yes you
10:17are working for that parent ABA services
10:20are so much money the parent wants the
10:23highest quality services they want to
10:24get everything out of it they might not
10:26know what to and they don't know what to
10:27do that's the thing that's why they're
10:28coming to to you right so we are the
10:31professional it's on us to teach them
10:33and have like provide them those
10:34strategies I agree yeah all right the
10:36next one yes another mistake that I have
10:39seen um uh is failure to stay up to date
10:43on Research yeah so this is hard too
10:47with what time yeah you know but
10:49remembering like we're required to take
10:51continuing education credits that's why
10:53it's easy to sign up for a podcast like
10:55this and listen to it on your drive to
10:57Bloss together but like Jokes Aside
11:00there you need to go in and see what's
11:02being like like what research is being
11:05published yeah cuz there's a lot of like
11:07in the most recent like couple weeks I
11:09feel like I've seen so much good stuff
11:11there's so much that CH it's always
11:12changing and that's good like our um our
11:15field should be progressing and that's
11:17when we're going to make these like Big
11:18Field changes that we have been looking
11:20for like towards Compassionate Care and
11:22like putting the learner first the only
11:24way to do this is to follow the research
11:26and like watch the research grow right a
11:28way that I try like one strategy that I
11:31was using for a little while to stay up
11:32to date on Research I would assign my
11:35practicum student um research because a
11:38lot of times they're looking for
11:40intervention strategies yeah or hours
11:43ways to get hours so I find like um like
11:45a learner that that student and I are
11:48working on like developing interventions
11:49and I assign them articles to read
11:52because they need to learn how to digest
11:54articles and then I ask them to provide
11:56me a summary and we discuss it back and
11:58forth so that like not only are they
12:00learning new research but I am like
12:02getting some more information from them
12:04too on like up toate reseearch I feel
12:06like even LinkedIn Facebook groups a lot
12:09of research is being published like
12:10people will share articles they found or
12:12research they find interesting but just
12:15even keeping in mind like in the I
12:17passed my I finished school almost two
12:19years ago and the research has changed
12:21so much since then there's so much more
12:23emphasis on quality Compassionate Care
12:26empathy the new seven dimensions of Aba
12:31so remembering things do change and you
12:34know it sucks we spent like maybe 60
12:36Grand 70 grand on our education on our
12:38education but that's not enough it's we
12:41need to keep learning more no that's on
12:43us yeah it's it's our responsibility
12:45it's within our ethics code and I feel
12:46like it's hard because when I first
12:48started taking like cus I went and I
12:51like probably signed up for like the
12:52dumbest ones because I was like that
12:55sounds interesting but had nothing to do
12:57with like what I needed to know
13:00I agree sometimes like I find
13:03that well I've talked about it a little
13:05bit in the past my first like um time
13:07that I recertified I waited so long to
13:10get my cus cuz I was so busy trying to
13:12like do everything right for all my
13:14Learners that I neglected a little bit
13:16of like gaining the cus so then I was
13:19rushing and I wasn't getting the quality
13:20watching I feel like I like started
13:22there was like ABA like True Crime P
13:25crime podcast not no hate but like I was
13:28just like like oh let me just watch them
13:30I had nothing like I didn't learn
13:32anything from those yeah I um like I had
13:34found that I would just find the free
13:37ones um and sometimes those weren't the
13:39highest quality or I would just find the
13:40ones that had like the most um like
13:42hours I'd like okay this one has two and
13:43a half hours I need to just do it to get
13:452.5 credits but I wasn't even looking at
13:47what the content was and I was like okay
13:48here it is I know terrible mistakes all
13:52right and then we already kind of
13:53touched on this so I feel like we can
13:54skip like neglecting parent involvement
13:57yeah remember guys important the parents
14:00yes this is their whole world we see
14:01their learner for a few hours of the day
14:04this is that parents whole life yeah and
14:07next one is I know you wanted to talk
14:09about this yes so focusing solely on
14:11deficits learner deficits and this is
14:14something as a field that I think we are
14:15shifting a little bit but sometimes it's
14:18not prioritized enough but like within
14:20reports only talking about what the
14:21learner cannot do yeah and we need to
14:24have that because we have to explain to
14:26Insurance why our services are necessary
14:28yeah but imagine being the parent who's
14:30only reading everything that their
14:32learner can't do we need to emphasize on
14:34the stuff that they can do and like all
14:36the progress that they've made as well
14:38and even like doing something simple and
14:40like the assessment writing cannot like
14:42did not demonstrate at the time of
14:44assessment can make a lot of like impact
14:46yeah but I feel like when we're writing
14:47we're just quick like cop not copying
14:50like we're just like quick let's get it
14:52done remembering a parent is reading
14:54this yes and they've been waiting maybe
14:55like 6 months to get you know since the
14:58last report six mon to see how much
14:59their child has learned they forward
15:02they look forward to it so also like
15:03noting down like maybe in like the
15:05background section or like the direct
15:07like things that happen that may show
15:09that they also made some progress
15:11another way that I do this is within my
15:12like parent meetings as well I feel like
15:15sometimes we go in like what are you
15:16struggling with what's hard at home I
15:18really try and prioritize to like oh my
15:19gosh what big on are you see and asking
15:22those like maybe after like a tougher
15:23conversation like were there any wins
15:25and I always try to have one that I want
15:28to share just INE they like like
15:30everything sucks some days like
15:31everything feels like suck yeah
15:33highlighting something that fun that
15:35happened during the week at the center
15:36maybe yeah I think that's a really good
15:38point and I also try and teach parents
15:40to celebrate the small wins cuz
15:42sometimes like as parents we want like
15:45again we said that this service is a lot
15:47of money for them they're putting a lot
15:48of their resources into it um so they
15:51want to see those big wins and like big
15:53growth opportunities but celebrating the
15:56little things cuz each little step is
15:58going to get them like
16:00and even reminding them there's a lot of
16:02steps to the bigger Milestone so like
16:04after they show like oh like this little
16:06thing happened like well that's good
16:07because it's on our way to remember that
16:09goal you really wanted we'll get there
16:11we'll get there cuz your kiddo just
16:13showed me they can do this like check
16:15out all these little things that they're
16:16doing yeah all right so we kind of want
16:17to also like talk about some of the
16:19mistakes we've made cuz you know we can
16:22talk about things we've heard about
16:24things we've seen but everyone makes
16:27mistakes and we just kind of want to
16:28talk about those too yeah I think it's
16:29really important to remember like we are
16:32human we're going to make mistakes and
16:34like because we've made mistakes it
16:35doesn't make us a poor bcba because
16:37we're growing from the mistakes that
16:39like shows that we like our strengths
16:41you know all right so do you want to
16:43start or should I start you can start go
16:44ahead all right so one of the first ones
16:46I feel like were I expected every Tech I
16:50had to be like me in the sense like you
16:53should be loud and energetic and just
16:55like all up in your face but I failed to
16:58realize you know not everyone is like
17:01that and that's not what every client
17:03needs you shouldn't like necessarily
17:05like duplicate yourself in order for
17:07that to be like a quality session no not
17:09everyone needs to be like me I don't
17:11need to shape everyone to be like me and
17:13I feel like that was really hard though
17:14I'd get someone that was a little quiet
17:16and I'd be like well they're not good
17:19because they're not energetic go oh my
17:21gosh yeah it's like hard I was kind of I
17:23was thinking about that too of like when
17:25I went into supervision like that was
17:27like a I was like okay cuz that's what I
17:29would look for and a technician is like
17:31that's the only thing that I knew off
17:33the top of my head I was like okay I
17:34liked how I Tech I need to like and
17:36everyone told me I was like good at it
17:38so that has to be the standard right but
17:40then I feel like I got one Tech and she
17:43was just like a very calm Zen chill
17:46person and I was just like she like this
17:49is amazing so quiet yeah and I also like
17:52not every kiddo needs this loud are loud
17:56bubbly crazy personalities yeah now
17:58every kid needs so just remembering like
18:00try to see what they do first before
18:02providing like that Fe like oh like up
18:05your like voice or can be a little more
18:08excited or more animated just seeing
18:10what your client reacts to first before
18:12providing that feedback and even like
18:13finding the strengths within those texts
18:15because that's the thing like sometimes
18:16we do we kind of look at it with our
18:19technicians we look to them and we're
18:21like okay we need every technician to be
18:23like so and so or just like this but
18:25find the strengths within each
18:26individual Tech and also know that even
18:30if you have a technician that you may
18:32think like needs some growth or like may
18:34not be as high quality as you would want
18:36them to be everyone starts some place
18:38everyone starts somewhere and they have
18:40opportunity it's on you to guide them
18:42and shape them and you don't have to
18:43change their personality to shape them
18:45you can just like teach them how to
18:47implement interventions and like be
18:48there for your learner I feel like
18:50that's another one you sometimes I feel
18:51like at when I was a new BCB I'd get a
18:54new tech on the case and i' be like well
18:56great like like this sucks
18:59change I don't I don't want to like I
19:01wanted someone that was amazing in a
19:03ready shade but remembering I could like
19:06help this Tech become amazing yeah we're
19:09there to teach them and guide them cuz
19:11they didn't go to school for this and we
19:12did we did yeah but I feel like I always
19:14got stuck on that it was really hard for
19:16me so yeah it's hard but you've grown
19:18from there yes look at you now what
19:21about you um something that I wanted to
19:23touch on at first was I really relied
19:26too heavily on DT coming from from like
19:29a dtt learning background so that
19:31discreet trial training so when I was a
19:34tech I was trained really well to like
19:36provide NE opportunities for play and
19:39requesting but I only did dtt for like
19:43tacting and um like listener responding
19:46and those like things that I would
19:47consider now like I see them elsewhere
19:50but at the time I considered them like
19:51table work table skills that's like the
19:53only place you could run them um so when
19:56I became a bcba I wasn't a bcba at an
19:58Nat setting at first I just I didn't
20:01think of other opportunities to Target
20:03so what did you feel like you were doing
20:05when you started off I like I mean I was
20:08in another setting where they
20:09prioritized table work but I was
20:11wondering why some of my Learners like
20:13especially my younger Learners weren't
20:15making progress and it's because I'm
20:17sitting at the table providing them Mass
20:19trials like 10 to 20 Trials of tacting
20:21car they're one they're sick of the car
20:24two this learner like has maybe they
20:26don't have an interest in cars I wasn't
20:27following their interest to like present
20:30opportunities I was like well he is four
20:32years old he should be interested in
20:33cars most four-year-olds are but I
20:35wasn't like looking to what he was
20:36needing if that makes sense it does make
20:39sense and also I don't know I feel like
20:41sometimes we all we're you know we have
20:44been working in ABA that's all we're
20:46used to but going out and like I don't
20:48know a lot of us if you don't have any
20:50family members that are around the same
20:51age as the kids we work with like it can
20:54be like I hung out with my niece this
20:56weekend and just like she took for
20:58forever to respond to some of my
20:59questions and I was like and I was like
21:02like wait like that's normal that is
21:05normal like we don't need them to
21:07respond in 3 to 5 Seconds like give them
21:09she took her a long time I'd be like
21:11come here and she'd just look at me and
21:14go and I'm like well what do I do now
21:17what am I supposed to do with that so
21:18just remembering some kiddos like also
21:20take a little bit and trying to remember
21:22they need processing time or like some
21:25sometimes what's what's really natural
21:27yeah exactly and sometimes are going to
21:28say no and like if you give them a
21:30question and then if you give them an
21:31opportunity to say
21:33no two three-year-old things yeah two to
21:36threeyear olds they no our second code
21:38word is
21:40practice another one I feel like was
21:44that I really like we talked about like
21:46the cus but I like picked some really
21:47dumb ones to start with that didn't
21:50benefit me at all but like going forward
21:52I wish I did I know and like what areas
21:55so what areas were you looking to focus
21:56on when you were a new BCB with cus I
21:59feel like I wish I took more cus on like
22:02goal writing intervention
22:05strategies I just had a few things in my
22:07toolbox and I was like that's enough I
22:09spend a lot of money in school I should
22:10know or yeah you've gotten a lot from
22:12your practicum supervisors but like
22:14generalizing your knowledge too like we
22:17base a lot of how we um like create our
22:20treatment plans on like how we learned
22:22but if you didn't have a generalization
22:24of like multiple exemp exemplars or
22:26whatever it would be um you're not going
22:29to like know exactly how you should
22:31Implement your stuff yeah do you feel
22:33like another mistake that you made yes
22:36um one big mistake that I wanted to
22:38touch on and it's kind of specific I
22:41when you are a bcba you get assigned
22:43cases typically like you don't really
22:45get the opportunity to say no to a case
22:47you're just assigned cases yeah I was a
22:49brand new bcba it was my first like
22:51month of being a bcba and I was assigned
22:54a 21-year-old adult God who did you work
22:57with a 21-year-old I had worked with
22:59adults before but I had I as a student I
23:02wasn't the one making the decisions for
23:03them so I didn't really like learn
23:05treatment planning for only tacked on I
23:07only tacked on them and like I like had
23:10a little bit of knowledge but not
23:11well-rounded this learner she had
23:13multiple diagnoses she was on a lot of
23:15medication um she had complex family
23:17history and I didn't like I didn't have
23:20any experience with that and at the time
23:23I wasn't getting like mentored we didn't
23:25have the opportunity like now I have a
23:27lead so I could go to my lead and like
23:28get guidance but at the time I didn't
23:30have a lead doing everything I was just
23:33kind of stuck and I didn't know what to
23:34do with this case and I didn't know it's
23:35okay to explain that you don't have the
23:37confidence in something you shouldn't
23:38take on a Case without competence
23:40without seeking guidance from
23:42supervisors you feel like you ever did
23:44like you went and seek it out or was
23:45kind of like you left the place and you
23:47kind of ultimately I it took me like
23:49probably two months of being on the case
23:50and trying to like okay I'm a bcba now
23:52it's on me and I didn't realize that
23:54like I had the opportunity to ask for
23:56help that's one of the ones I had
23:59I felt like okay well I'm a bcba now and
24:02I was at a place where I knew everyone I
24:05was a tech at that company I was a
24:06student at that company and then I I
24:09familiar with everyone but I felt like I
24:11hated admitting that like I didn't know
24:13what what I was doing because we feel
24:15like as BCBS we're like oh my God we
24:16pass the exam I should know everything
24:18now I should be ready to do this but
24:19that's not true just even like going to
24:21your co-workers and like collaborating
24:23and like coming up with ideas is not see
24:26like saying like oh I suck I don't know
24:27what I'm doing that's not a deficit
24:29that's a strength for knowing that like
24:31we have all of these resources for us
24:33like let's all learn from each other I
24:35feel like that was really hard for me
24:36and it sounds like maybe it was hard for
24:38you it was really really hard so I ended
24:39up like I had to speak like with the
24:41Clinical Director but I didn't have like
24:43a direct lead so I didn't
24:44have like going to your direct lead
24:47saying that I don't know what I'm doing
24:48and did she react and okay depending on
24:50where you are you might get a good
24:51reaction a bad reaction what was your
24:54boss's reaction um it w it ended up not
24:57being the most ideal situation I ended
24:59up having to like be removed I
25:01ultimately removed myself from the case
25:03I said like I can't do this for the
25:05family and I advocated for that family
25:07and what did she say um my they weren't
25:10thrilled but it's it is what it is I had
25:12to do what's best for the learner it's
25:13not but that's where I feel like a lot
25:15of people get stuck too they're like I
25:17don't want to disappoint this person and
25:20I don't want to like go with my problems
25:22and like someone's giving you push back
25:24they're like no no you can do it fine no
25:25you can do it or here's this it's like
25:26that's not the resource here I'll try
25:28this yes it's like I need specific
25:30guidance or mentoring but we didn't have
25:32that like those opportunities so it
25:34really stinks but I learned from that
25:36like I learned now one how to ask for
25:37help early on like if I feel does that
25:40look like for you feel like I feel like
25:42I mean I go to my leite I'm like I don't
25:43know what I'm like I'm stuck yeah I go
25:45to my lead or like if I um don't know
25:48something I look out like look for cus
25:50on the topic um but like within that
25:53it's just you have to admit your fault
25:56yeah and I think that's okay yeah I
25:59agree so I've grown from there but do
26:01you have any silly ones um oh my gosh so
26:04this is something oh it happened when I
26:07was like very pregnant I think I was
26:09like 36 weeks 37 weeks pregnant we call
26:12like a space pregnancy brain and I had
26:14like no idea what was going on I feel
26:15like and a family told me at a parent
26:18meeting two weeks before that their
26:20child was going to be out for a day and
26:23I like I was like oh yeah I wrote it
26:24down in my notes I wrote it in like my
26:26caregiver form and I completely forgot
26:28to let scheduling and the team know so
26:30the text's waiting in the lobby and like
26:31walks up to me it's like where's so and
26:33so and I'm looking around and I'm like
26:34yeah I don't know and then I like look
26:35and I was like oh my gosh it's May 10th
26:38whatever this they're not here today
26:40they told me ages ago I'm so sorry it's
26:42okay because I've done the same thing
26:44but the other way around where I knew
26:47this was like when SK like okay
26:49scheduling had told me there was like no
26:51coverage and I think I just had like a
26:53busy day I forget like what exactly
26:55happened like what was the situation and
26:57then like the client came to the center
27:00oh my gosh or maybe I told them the
27:02wrong day like I just had done it really
27:04quickly and I said the wrong day and the
27:05client was there it down like I got a
27:07call I was like on vacation that day too
27:10like also and so was here yeah and I was
27:12like you're like wait a second they
27:14don't have a technician what do we do
27:15what they end up doing mom was like very
27:17nice and understand she was like okay
27:19we'll go have some fun
27:22Donald's Le they made fun out of it they
27:24made some fun out of it but things like
27:26that happened so trying stay as
27:29organized as you can I was gonna speak
27:31on that so organization so we joke a lot
27:33now that like I'm the type a person
27:35you're a little bit more chaotic and a
27:36little messy with like how you organize
27:38in your desk and everything the reason
27:40I'm so strict with my like organization
27:42now is because I made so many mistakes
27:44early on about like not remembering when
27:46assessments were due and then getting
27:48like three weeks out from the assessment
27:49and panicking rushing and I feel like my
27:51work isn't quality then right you know
27:54trying to get it done yes or I have to
27:55dedicate all this time and like now I'm
27:57losing valuable time for other things
27:59because I'm rushing to do it um so early
28:02on I think it's important to just like
28:04identify an organization method for
28:06yourself and it doesn't have to look
28:08like the same other ones yes but that's
28:10where I feel like a lot of mistakes do
28:11get made is like you forget yes and like
28:14to be honest our job has a lot of like
28:16there's so many due dates parents are
28:18telling dates other people are telling
28:20you dates I get like a lot of my clients
28:22mixed up sometimes yeah I'm like wait
28:24who's going to be out I know someone's
28:25not here but like who is didn't write it
28:28down or I didn't put it someplace no way
28:31anyone could have known what I was
28:32thinking right so yeah I think that was
28:34a big mistake early on it was just my
28:36organization like I thought that I could
28:37just keep track of it in my head and
28:39like know exactly how many hours this
28:40learner needed for supervision know like
28:43exactly when my parent meetings were and
28:44I I forgot a few things it was like a
28:46rough start another one about like
28:49little details is I was rushing to put
28:53some programs in cuz you know it took me
28:55a while to get the assessment done and
28:58like we were on like a personal
28:59questions I was writing a personal
29:01questions program and you know like I
29:03was trying to put the date in like the
29:05question was like when is your birthday
29:07and I was looking like I quickly looked
29:10for like the date the's birthday was in
29:12to put in as Target and I guess on that
29:14document that one I only checked one
29:16document cuz I was rushing that's
29:18whatever so I put it into intervention
29:21and we taught this kiddo his birthday
29:23like a day off oh my gosh and you know
29:26what the worst thing is like I've sent
29:27that video to parents and no they didn't
29:29respond they didn't they didn't even
29:31tell me I did it wrong like wait a
29:32second and then one day like yeah I was
29:34going to say how'd you find out I think
29:35like next R I went and I was like I re I
29:39had some more time I guess I was looking
29:41through something I was like the
29:43birthdays that's not their birthday like
29:44I just knew his birthday cuz I heard it
29:46so many times times so then I was like
29:49crap like and I you're probably thinking
29:50the reports are all wrong at this point
29:52you're like oh my God I wrote it down
29:53wrong and then I went back and I was
29:54like I checked this and it was wrong on
29:56that so then you know I talked I had to
29:58tell parents like what I did and then we
30:00retach it but like still it was like oh
30:04my God like I was like do other people
30:06make mistakes like this everyone makes
30:08mistakes I think something else like
30:10that I'm thinking about with like
30:11organization and trying to remember
30:13things is we have so much on our plates
30:15as bcbas like we really have to do a lot
30:18and like keep track of so many different
30:19things I struggled a little bit with
30:22prioritization of like assigning myself
30:24my tasks like because which one's more
30:26important is that what you mean yeah
30:28literally so like if I had a learner who
30:31had like needed a behavior plan but this
30:33person needed their reassessment done
30:34and this person needed materials I had a
30:36hard time trying to figure out what to
30:38do first cuz I was like wait they're all
30:39important I don't have anyone helping me
30:41like I need to get it all done so but
30:43I'm like no you need to like really
30:44prioritize like making a list maybe is
30:47that you well I yes or I'll like think
30:49about like okay I'm a brain dump like I
30:51need to write it down yeah write it all
30:53down and figure it out from there yes
30:54but I was like okay this learner needs a
30:56behavior plan that's a little bit more
30:57important
31:01it's just Lear your prior but then even
31:03once you prioritize like explaining to
31:05the next person so many people depend on
31:08you that's the hard part and the text
31:10like wait I don't have this still
31:12technician like I don't have like this
31:13program material or like oh we're low on
31:16this or you still didn't update this
31:18program and I'm like I'm trying like I
31:21you can't you can't just flat out be
31:22like oh my God I have a million things
31:23on my plate leave me alone no I'm like
31:25I'm getting to it I'm so sorry just
31:27maybe even like I give them I've started
31:29telling them like by the end of this
31:31week I'll have something in because then
31:32you're like subconsciously giving
31:34yourself a due date I agree that's been
31:36helpful to me what are there any other
31:38like fun or not even it doesn't have to
31:40be fun are there any other mistakes not
31:41like ones that I like wrote down are
31:43there any thinking about I'm thinking
31:46about I feel like we talked about being
31:48stuck on cases I feel like you
31:50know mistakes I've made oh my gosh just
31:54really just not like time management
31:57sometimes like
31:58time management in general I think just
32:00as a field like it's really really hard
32:02to like figure out when you're going to
32:04get everything done and like dedicating
32:06the time to get everything done without
32:08working at home I worked at home a lot
32:10in my first year I know we talked about
32:12that a lot so if you want to check out
32:14those other which episode was it in oh
32:16my gosh I feel like was
32:18it what to do as a ubcb in that one yeah
32:21go look at talk like figuring out how to
32:23manage our times we learned a lot so we
32:25talked about our mistakes now I kind of
32:27want to talk about
32:28why knowing what your mistakes are
32:30important right yeah so you know we kind
32:33of talked a little bit about like as
32:35bcbas we think that we have to be
32:37perfect or we feel like it's hard to
32:38admit when we're doing things wrong but
32:41as humans like we are all going to make
32:43mistakes and making mistakes isn't the
32:45end of the world it's just how are you
32:47going to grow from them and how you
32:48react like I feel like we're all about
32:51antecedent strategies as bcbas like use
32:54that skill to your benefit and like
32:56learn from others Stakes of like how you
32:59can proactively get ready for some of
33:01these situations I'm just going to throw
33:03like some of our problems out there and
33:04you can tell me some of like the
33:05antecedent strategies that you would do
33:07so we kind of just talked about time
33:09management and like organization what's
33:11an antecedent strategy that you would
33:13use to help in those situations
33:15especially like with programming or like
33:16writing reports and my time management
33:18like I put those things on the calendar
33:20I plan my week far in advance you kind
33:23of writing like a written schedule out
33:24for yourself right yeah yeah even like
33:26so sometimes we think to put on our
33:28calendar what we're billing like my
33:30parent meetings my
33:31supervisions but at first I wasn't
33:33really putting um like dedicated time to
33:36work on programs or dedicated time to
33:38work on like this little specific task
33:40now I I do that so that I'm like this
33:42time I'm only dedicating on this learner
33:44social story so that I don't get pulled
33:46to do 10 other things right another one
33:49I know we talked about was like the F
33:51like the functional analysis like what
33:53would you do in that situation as like
33:55what would you do like reactively or
33:57anly you think anteed um so I want to it
34:02depends on the learner but I'm going to
34:04like make sure I have the time and I
34:06dedicate the time for that behavior like
34:09data and like I get my data sheets ready
34:13I going to say getting them having like
34:14a set of data sheets ready someplace
34:16where you're not having to like you know
34:18we'll customize them later but having
34:20templates ready for you to customize
34:22really helpful yeah like once you start
34:24writing a lot of behavior plans you
34:26learn like what data you enjoy like I
34:28like my abc data I don't like um just
34:31free written ABC data because then I
34:32find my te checklist checkl checklist
34:35little tuck boxes for them to tell me
34:37like what happened um because I find
34:39when I have free open data like the
34:42information isn't it's skewed and it
34:44like doesn't tell me or it doesn't tell
34:46me like what the actual consequence was
34:47they think it was I like to start with
34:49the free like the free observation and
34:51then go in and make the checklist after
34:53like a little bit see that's a good way
34:55too I just like to try and put in um
34:58like each of the different functions
34:59like possible like check boxes for each
35:02of the functions and then once I get a
35:04few then I'll like minimize it and
35:05specify it to the learner too nice so
35:08another one I got to look back at our
35:09notes that we talked about is the
35:11collaboration so something I'll do like
35:13antiently is like have like a form ready
35:16like who do I need to like list of
35:18people that I may need to ask about yeah
35:20is like are grandparents involved does
35:23this client go to school let's sign a
35:25release of info can I talk to this can I
35:28talk to pediatrician and other
35:29therapists having all that ready so that
35:31when a behavior does occur or I need
35:34help or I need to like collaborate I can
35:36do it easily you have the resources
35:37available you're not like scrambling
35:39you're like oh my gosh I need help from
35:40an OT on this learner now I have to wait
35:43you know two weeks for the ROI to get
35:45signed you know all of that and then
35:46something with the inconsistent
35:48implementation of strategies is like
35:50setting some time to do like the
35:52Fidelity checks yes you know and that
35:54one I feel like I still struggle with
35:56cuz you know you get everything done and
35:58then you're like okay breathe it's like
36:00I finally got it done it's like wait no
36:01but then remembering or something else
36:03now you're like let me focus on the cuz
36:05that happens a lot to you're like I got
36:06this down now let me focus on like
36:08programming right it's like okay I'm
36:09dedicating this supervision so sorry I
36:11have to like be on my computer and
36:12update programs but yeah we need to
36:15speci dedicate the time to like the
36:17Fidelity checks and ioa data so being
36:19like maybe in like two days I'll go back
36:21and we'll check that it's been helpful
36:23for me I think another mistake that we
36:25didn't really hit on that I'm like
36:27thinking about now um just like when
36:29after talking with some of my
36:30technicians I've like I had really some
36:33really really great technicians who
36:35didn't require a lot of feedback so I'd
36:38be like wow great work you did this
36:39wonderfully blah blah blah and like it
36:40would just like be like they're they my
36:43this Learners and great hands but not
36:44taking into account like this technician
36:47wants feedback wants feedback wants to
36:49learn wants to know like how they can
36:50improve and even though they may be
36:52doing like almost everything it feels
36:55perfectly it's like yeah provide Lear
36:57opportunities for your technicians so
36:59they don't feel stagnant and they they
37:01know where to go with treatment yeah or
37:03even if you really are like what do I
37:05suggest like asking them what they don't
37:06feel confident with is there anything
37:09you're struggling with are there any
37:11suggestions you have is also like types
37:13of feedback like a feedback conversation
37:16agreed do you have any other ones I know
37:18I feel like I've been naming like yeah I
37:20know I think that you hit them all that
37:22I would have like wanted to talk about
37:23as far as Ana seant goes okay cool and
37:26then remember we were already talk it's
37:28like remembering that mistakes happen
37:30but addressing them yes like it's our
37:32ethical Duty um to like stay up to date
37:36on like like we said like that research
37:38and stuff but then it's also on us to
37:41learn from our mistakes and provide the
37:42highest quality care and the way we can
37:44do that is like always growing and
37:46improving and admitting that we're human
37:48we make mistakes okayy I feel like
37:50that's the hard part though it's like
37:51admitting that yeah we can make mistakes
37:54and admitting our faults it's the
37:55hardest part yeah and then also if we're
37:58not addressing our mistakes it could
38:01result to limited progress with the
38:04learner so you know that also kind of
38:05looks like I put something into
38:07intervention and saying like well maybe
38:10I got something wrong here I think about
38:13this a lot with programming like some
38:15days I'll be like oh my gosh why is this
38:17tacting target not moving an inch like
38:19I'm looking at the data and it's like
38:22020000 and it's in for a long time like
38:26it's okay to be like okay learner is not
38:28learning based on what I think is best
38:31we need to brainstorm like it's okay and
38:33this is I feel like one that gets like
38:36happens a lot too cuz no one wants to
38:37admit right exactly I mean that's the
38:39thing that's what we're talking about no
38:40one wants to admit that they're ever
38:41wrong yeah but it's okay I agree um and
38:45then I kind of want to talk a little bit
38:46about like we kind of talked about
38:48asking for help and seeking mentorship
38:50look for different ways to do that so
38:53like like with my situation I didn't
38:55feel like I knew where to go to find a
38:57Mentor or like a lead but like use our
39:00resources like with the bcba Facebook
39:02pages and stuff to our advantage you can
39:04like seek out mentors that way if you
39:07don't have the many people go on there
39:09and be like I'm struggling with XYZ is
39:12there anyone that can help who can help
39:13me and they're always flooded with like
39:15million responses after yeah and there
39:17are a lot of bcbas who provide um like
39:19ongoing supervision mentorship like they
39:22have little flyers in the Facebook
39:23groups and like people are really like
39:25motivated to teach other people it
39:27sounds like it's something that excites
39:29them so like talk there's nothing wrong
39:30with reaching out to them and I know
39:32like I've seen you can even post
39:33anonymously on those groups now if
39:35you're like shy or you don't want to
39:38like tell everyone you're struggling and
39:40then figure out figure it out from there
39:42exactly and then also remembering that
39:46if you aren't like admitting your
39:48mistakes you're not changing anything up
39:50that's an ethical violation right there
39:53right it really is yeah you have to like
39:55be know like where to grow and how to
39:57improve right all right guys uh thanks
40:00for listening to some of our mistakes
40:03that we have made we wanted to kind of
40:05get a perspective from the bcbas on the
40:08floor so we're going to take a little
40:09field trip and go down and ask everyone
40:11what some of their mistakes have been
40:13and some of their
40:14regrets that's the thing there personal
40:16stuff too feel ready
40:19um yeah okay all right so kose we're
40:23asking everyone one of the mistakes
40:25they've made as a bcba okay so I've made
40:27a lot but I'd have to say the one that
40:30I've made the most is focusing too hard
40:32on like listener responding skills can
40:35you elaborate on that I just think like
40:37there's too much of a emphasis on
40:40compliance in ABA and not not enough on
40:44like advocating for kids and giving them
40:46voices it's a really good one thanks for
40:49sharing thank you for your
40:51time Aisha you're here I have a question
40:55for you as a new bcba what do you think
40:58was the biggest mistake you
41:00made navigating a scenario where I
41:04didn't necessarily have the right
41:08competency um to deal with a family
41:11situation I had a similar situation what
41:15was like what made it complex or out of
41:16your scope do you think it had a
41:18criminal component to it and just being
41:22able to navigate that situation and
41:25looking for more of for in that area
41:28especially never having to dealing with
41:30a Criminal component to the case I mean
41:33who does I mean I I mean I never heard
41:35about it until now do you think um you
41:38would kind of know how to handle it
41:40differently now absolutely I def do I
41:43would have reached out more so to like
41:46um just the team like the other team
41:50members like a therapist maybe yeah yeah
41:52or even reaching out to the supports
41:54coordinator on the case and things like
41:56that yeah
41:57well thank you for your time back to
42:00your writing these are great games by
42:01the
42:04way thanks all right anas we have a
42:08question for you okay hit me
42:12what you've been to bcba for a few years
42:14now okay what do you think is the
42:16biggest mistake you made as a new
42:19bcba um one of the
42:22few um was probably adding my texts on
42:25social media
42:27oo that we haven't gotten that answer
42:29yet yeah um I feel like there's so our
42:33texts are our friends um you know but
42:36there's like that professional line that
42:38shouldn't be crossed and a lot of times
42:42um it's proven that um we should
42:46definitely not add them on social media
42:47keep work to work um we can have like
42:50friendly conversations at work um but
42:53nothing outside of that those boundaries
42:55did you go through and delete them all I
42:56defin
42:57did I I had to learn the hard way but
43:00then after I learned um from that
43:02experience I went through and deleted
43:04all of them that's a good one I like
43:06your unique that's a good one all right
43:08don't thank you for your time as friends
43:10on social
43:12media Taylor You've been like in my life
43:16for quite a few years I've known you
43:17since I was a tech as a new bcba what is
43:20a mistake that you think you made that
43:22you want other people to avoid my
43:24biggest mistake is setting boundaries
43:27with parents and not answering them at
43:29nights on the weekends I always want to
43:32but once you open that door it's hard to
43:34close so that was my answer oh really
43:37yeah I had one of those too we work very
43:39hard but got to have your time off so
43:42respect those boundaries thank you for
43:44your time you're welcome bye bye they
43:47don't want to meet with us but we're
43:49going to meet with them we got stuff to
43:51do they're doing their job they have a
43:53job but Emily B we have a really
43:55important question for you yes
43:57um so what's been your biggest mistake
44:00as a
44:02bcba you couldn't have prepped me for
44:05this no it's supposed to be
44:06authentic um
44:11probably not providing enough support
44:13for a high Behavior kid when I needed to
44:16okay what does that mean um assuming
44:19that Tex would be able to handle certain
44:21situations that they hadn't seen before
44:23um without having me there to help them
44:25it's a good one I like that
44:27all right Jenny
44:29Jennifer what you
44:32eating pizza all right what's been your
44:34biggest mistake as a bcba I was worried
44:37you were going to ask the same question
44:39oh no um my biggest mistake as a bcba I
44:44think would be being rigid and
44:45inflexible probably for the same reasons
44:47of like needing to support other kids
44:49but you think to add to that yeah what
44:52did your rigidity affect like within
44:54your
44:55supervisions um
44:58it honestly I think it just mainly
45:00impacted my like Persona like my like
45:04your confidence no no like the way I
45:06presented myself to the text so like
45:08when I like too I would get I would get
45:10abrasive yeah and then like not be like
45:14gentle and supportive it would be like
45:16no oh sh this is the way you have to do
45:18it so you were providing feedback like
45:21as like nicely as you could yes yeah or
45:24like if somebody was pulling for me in
45:25different directions like people I would
45:27like be really direct to the one and
45:29then be like okay to the
45:31other it's hard it's hard figuring it
45:33out yeah all right thank you guys for
45:35being so open and trans with us bye bye
45:39have a good
45:42meeting you did that whole thing with
45:44pizza in your hand what did they say
45:47love that you did that with pizza in
45:48your hand but we have a good question
45:51for you okay what is it something that
45:53people can learn from so we want others
45:56to learn from us and the mistakes that
45:58we've made so what's a mistake that
46:00you've made as a
46:01bcba um I would
46:04say just setting boundaries from the
46:06beginning of like a parent clinician
46:09relationship yeah um a lot of times
46:12parents are like they use parent
46:15meetings and things like that to vent
46:17but sometimes it's hard to like redirect
46:19get back on track conversation so I
46:22think just setting those boundaries and
46:24that precedence from the beginning yeah
46:26like what the expect for the meeting is
46:27going to be yes yeah oh I like that
46:30that's a good one thank you jine on
46:34camera you're our newest
46:36bcba yes yeah so it's your second
46:40day how do you think your first day has
46:43gone yesterday and today it's good
46:45you've been doing really well I love
46:47seeing you out on the floor so within
46:49your first day what do you think is the
46:51biggest mistake you made yesterday as a
46:54bcba telling everyone to follow the new
46:56schedule to a tea were you not
47:00flexible no me either all right so what
47:04are you doing today that's going to make
47:06it a little different uh for a lot of my
47:08kids I said stay in as long as you can
47:10tolerate and just at least come back to
47:12the room before the end of the time I
47:14like that I love that you noticed it
47:16like immediately and are already fixing
47:18it you're doing great thank you hey
47:21Katie hi yes all right so you've been to
47:24bcba for how long now almost 2 years
47:27years oh my gosh and I feel like in 2
47:29years there's a few mistakes you could
47:30have made right you've grown a little
47:31bit of course we all make mistakes and
47:34like you know we talk we have a whole
47:35like 40 minute segment about the
47:37mistakes we made so I wanted to know
47:40what was one of your biggest mistakes
47:42you made I would say I think taking on
47:45this role um a lot of times we don't
47:49take into account the work life balance
47:50so I think taking a lot of work home and
47:52always working at home when we need to
47:54take a step back and be able to have
47:56like our personal professional life
47:58finding that balance it's hard hard I
48:01think that was just something that I
48:02think all of us can do in the field yeah
48:04that's great Lauren don't take
48:05everything home you don't need to no no
48:07leave it leave it at
48:09work come sit hey we have some questions
48:12for you what color is this black oh what
48:15color are
48:17those gray oh black what's your name
48:20Elina tou your head all right we have a
48:22question for you what's been the biggest
48:24mistake you made as a bcba um moving
48:27programs up too quickly causing ratio
48:30strain what does that mean so ratio
48:33strain is when you expect more than the
48:37reinforcement that you're giving um yeah
48:41all right going forward how can you fix
48:44this um I usually wait like a week or
48:47two before I like move the program
48:50either out of like intervention or come
48:55up with a different strategy
48:57M do you have anything to add no I like
48:59that that's really good one and I feel
49:01like we do it it happens to all of us oh
49:03all the time yeah all right thanks for
49:05your time thanks thank
49:07you hi hey 2.0 second question again so
49:13what do you feel like is a mistake
49:14you've made as a bcba I would say I
49:17think starting out especially would be
49:19programming right from the assessment
49:21tools I think it's super important to
49:22always remember that we should be
49:23individualizing the goals and we don't
49:25need to pull from you know whatever goal
49:28that the VB Maps has we should be doing
49:29or Ables I like that that's a good one I
49:32really like that yeah it's a good than
49:36bye so Jenny yes I already like talked
49:39to you about your mistake but then I got
49:40to thinking okay can we operationally
49:43Define mistake well I mean absolutely
49:46it's a behavior right so yeah I'm
49:50thinking but like but how would is it a
49:53beh you wouldn't Define a mistake as
49:55Behavior I'm think can a dead man do it
49:58or
49:59no is it wait is it a dead man wouldn't
50:03be able to make a mistake cuz they're
50:04just laying there unless the mistake is
50:07that they were supposed to stand see
50:09that's plot twist I know but I I think
50:11you could consider it mistake I agree so
50:15uh or you could consider a behavior
50:16sorry sorry yeah yeah a mistake is a
50:18behavior so uh I like looked up the real
50:20definition wait you did let's read it
50:23the dictionary definition so mistake as
50:25a noun an action judgment that is
50:27misguided or wrong or a verb or using it
50:31in a verb sorry I'm not like a spelling
50:32me kid be wrong
50:34about an action or
50:37judgment that is that is misguided or
50:40wrong misguided or wrong so like then we
50:42have toine what misguided and wrong is
50:44yeah so this is hard so then the
50:47question is is like who's defining what
50:50is misguided or wrong like is it Society
50:53is it the culture that you live in like
50:55well I want to like so since we went
50:57around asking everybody what their
50:58mistakes was so so maybe we we look at
51:01like a mistake being the based on the
51:04ethics code yeah so let me look it up on
51:06the eics code hold my
51:11mic do do you think the ethics code
51:14would would tell us whether or not we
51:15made a mistake no but like let's look up
51:18some of mistakes or like some of the
51:20things that ethic code tells us right us
51:22yeah okay all right so here I'll pull it
51:25up for both of us so I just have like
51:27the table of contents out every I would
51:30hope people have read through this again
51:31I'm just using this as like a little
51:32prompt for myself so responsibility as a
51:36professional yeah so I'm looking at it
51:39it's like being truthful conforming with
51:41legal and professional requirements
51:43accountability I feel like a lot of us
51:45like had this mistake yeah right like
51:47holding us accountable yeah what do you
51:50think so yeah I think like maybe the
51:53operational definition looking at all of
51:55these would be like anytime that the
51:58ethics code
52:01is um the word I was thinking of was
52:04inhibited but I don't like that word no
52:05I don't like that either but how I'm
52:07trying to think I know yeah so any times
52:11a violation the ethics code occurs
52:15occurs is a mistake yeah so okay which
52:20but then like unintentionally I think
52:21you have to add in the unintentional
52:23part because then otherwise you could
52:24just be being unethical yeah if it's not
52:27unintentional okay let's I need to write
52:29this out or are you going to remember it
52:31I need to say it in a sentence like
52:32right now right so
52:34anytime the ethics code is violated
52:37unintentionally that's a mistake is a
52:39mistake that's their operational
52:40definition yeah okay I think that's good
52:42Jenny thanks for sitting that sitting
52:44with me and talking that through I'm
52:45glad we got this figured
52:48out have you been to bcba it has been
52:51exactly one year actually this month
52:54yeah I you feel like it's been year here
52:56go yeah you still in a way in a way what
53:00does that mean well I was a qbhp before
53:03I was a bcva okay so I had supervisor
53:06experience before I passed my exam which
53:09was helpful because I got to learn a lot
53:11about what it would be like to be a
53:12supervisor yeah before actually be
53:15having the title of bcba so you feel
53:18like you got to make some of those
53:19mistakes without having without having
53:21the pressure of the title yeah which was
53:23helpful that is nice though I feel like
53:25and you have report back to right you
53:28know like oh like I'm struggling with
53:29this like what do I
53:31do so when you were bcba what do you
53:34feel like was a mistake you made that
53:36you regret or something that you regret
53:38yeah so I it's such a interesting
53:41question cuz there's always things that
53:43you play back in your head of like
53:45should I have done this program do or
53:48like I guess even like implementing
53:50different programs of like is this the
53:53way the child learns best it's like
53:55stuff that keeps you up at night
53:56sometimes I feel like like oh or like
53:59after a kid graduates or discharges like
54:01thinking back like oh should I have done
54:03that or after you learned something new
54:05you're like oh I wish I knew that back
54:07then right yes yes and especially after
54:10like getting to collaborate with speech
54:12and OT like looking back at when I was a
54:14qbhp before I was a bcba um they like I
54:19just never
54:20collaborated it was just me doing you
54:24supervisor things I'm like oh I'll just
54:26put this program in because this makes
54:28sense of like what should be next
54:30without considering like can he can he
54:34actually sit in a chair with like his
54:36proper like posture and things like that
54:40so I guess collaborating earlier on is
54:43something I wish I did more um taking
54:46that into consideration of like other
54:48people's opinions and suggestions cuz
54:52especially being important and they know
54:53so much more I mean not that they know
54:55they know so much they do yeah and they
54:57know things we don't know exactly and I
55:00think like my professors in school
55:02always hounded us for not participating
55:06with speech and OT because they might
55:08not have been as scientific as ABA in
55:11the field as ABA but which like sucks
55:13because they because then I went into
55:16the field being like Oh I shouldn't
55:17trust them no that's horrible you
55:21because now I talk to them I'm like wow
55:23that's so smart like why didn't I think
55:25of that idea
55:26or that suggestion or whatever that
55:29might be I'm glad you learned something
55:31I have definitely learned and growing
55:34still as a bcba I love that thanks Julia
55:37yeah thank you for asking me we talked
55:40about common mistakes some of our own
55:42mistakes and that it's important to
55:44remember to grow from them our third
55:47code word is reflect yeah so until next
55:51time we'll see you later talk to you
55:53soon all right guys thank you so much
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