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1:56[Music]
2:12We already started the intro. Emily's
2:14going to have to do some editing magic
2:15with that intro cuz we just started
2:17yapping. Yeah. We also we also sang
2:19along to Chapel Ran's Pink Pony Club. We
2:22did a whole We're horrific singers. I
2:24will post it though. I mean, I thought
2:25we were pretty [ __ ] good. So, I
2:28thought we This will be my second
2:30audition. I felt like we had soul. We
2:33had VBR. I don't know what that means.
2:35What is that?
2:37We brought it to the table. That reminds
2:39me of the rock song. It's about soul.
2:41It's about fire. I Hold on. The rock
2:44song. Yeah. Hold on. You've never You
2:46have You have heard the rock song. Hold
2:47on. I feel like we need to start like a
2:50separate like for Patreon we just do
2:54like our yap sessions in the beginning
2:55we just cut them in one episode for
2:57Patreon
2:59and it's like a monthly episode. You get
3:00an hour long episode. A yap episode. I'm
3:03going to pat myself on the back for that
3:04one. That's beautiful. A yap episode.
3:07Write that down. Write that down. Wait,
3:08wait, wait. Yeah, we need a y episode.
3:09Oh yeah, I'm going to put that in my
3:10notes though. Yeah, put that in the
3:11notes cuz if once we cut it out, if we
3:13cut it out, we're going to freak it.
3:15Okay, so let's do it.
3:17Last week we ended Victoria Silier had
3:21just plummeted 4,000 ft to the ground
3:24falling at 60 mph and survived.
3:29Okay, that's bonkers to lead up.
3:32Couldn't be me. I'm telling you right
3:34now, my bones would be like, "No,
3:36no, especially your ankles. Your ankles
3:40would not make it. They're already
3:41broken."
3:43So, yeah, obviously there's a lot of
3:46leadup. There was a lot that we talked
3:48about with Victoria and Emil's
3:50relationship and everything that had led
3:53up to this and just what a [ __ ] piece
3:56of garbage on fire dumpster human [ __ ]
4:00this guy is. But the point is where we
4:04are in the story now is she is lying on
4:07the ground barely conscious in agony but
4:10she's breathing and everyone was [ __ ]
4:15shocked. Okay. They just watched someone
4:17fall out of a plane 4,000 ft and hit the
4:20ground and she's alive. I don't I think
4:22I would I don't even know how what it
4:25what I would do in that situation cuz
4:26you just you see a human being fall and
4:28smack the ground and literally feel the
4:31earth move from the impact. What are you
4:35supposed to What do you do? Me too. I'm
4:37like what do I what? Cuz you can't
4:40really I don't know. I don't know. I
4:42think I would vomit. Yeah, me too. I I
4:45can't even imagine what this woman went
4:46through, too. But everybody knew. I
4:49mean, it was a miracle. It was a miracle
4:51because by all rights, that fall should
4:53have killed her on the spot. And
4:56instead, Victoria opens her eyes to find
4:58herself broken but alive. And she later
5:02say the result was a mix of things. It
5:05was skill. It was luck. And it was the
5:07fact that she had landed on that freshly
5:09plowed field that softened the blow.
5:12Plus, the weather that day was actually
5:15not ideal for a jump. So, the plane was
5:17actually flying lower than it normally
5:20would be. They had to fly lower because
5:22of the weather. So, if the weather
5:24happened, it was just like a culmination
5:25of miracle, like small miracles
5:27throughout the whole time. Yeah. It
5:28reminds me of Alice and Boa. That's what
5:30she said. It's like little miracles that
5:32Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. But it's like
5:34if the weather had been nice that day,
5:35she'd be dead. She'd be way up higher.
5:37Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She would have I think
5:38it she would have been like one or 2,000
5:41ft higher. Like I think she probably
5:43would have been dead. And
5:47they also point to the fact that she was
5:48a small woman. She was very petite. So
5:51they say that this probably improved her
5:54chances because it let her body
5:56decelerate enough even with the unopened
5:59parachute just kind of flailing in the
6:00wind. Yeah. Um but yeah, it's it's
6:04crazy.
6:06But yes, lots of little miracles that
6:08all added up. It was luck. It was skill
6:11because she was trying to decelerate
6:13herself as much as she possibly could.
6:16But none of this meant that she got off
6:17easy, however. Actually, far from it,
6:20because she was gravely injured, as you
6:23can imagine, she's walking off. I'm sure
6:26she's like barely alive, I guess. Yeah,
6:29absolutely. She had shattered her
6:31pelvis. She had broke her back in
6:33several places and she had broken
6:36multiple ribs. Her right lung was
6:38partially collapsed and her bladder
6:40damaged. She had lost a lot of blood and
6:43it was mostly from internal bleeding.
6:45Everybody knew that it was, oh, she's
6:48alive for now. That's kind of the the
6:50situation that was at hand. Yeah. And it
6:53was the kind of trauma that you would
6:54expect from a high-speed car crash. She
6:57was going 60 mph, right? And Victoria
7:00was laying on the ground writhing in
7:02pain, unable to move as help. Was she
7:05conscious? She wasn't at first, but she
7:08did become conscious in the field. Oh my
7:10god. Yes. And she does remember, we'll
7:13kind of get into like her memories of of
7:15looking back, but she remembers being
7:18there. She doesn't remember being in
7:19pain. That's good, I guess. And
7:21eventually we'll talk about she's on a
7:23helicopter and she remembers she was
7:25feeling zero pain. Zero pain. cuz she's
7:28just completely in shock. Well, yeah.
7:30And her adrenaline's probably just
7:32shooting. Yeah, absolutely.
7:35So, like I said, this is the kind of
7:38trauma you'd see in a high-speed car
7:39crash. She's writhing in pain. She can't
7:42move. At first, she's trying to wiggle
7:45her toes. They wouldn't wiggle. So,
7:46she's thinking, "Am I ever going to be
7:48able to walk again? Am I paralyzed? What
7:50is going on?" And help is just rushing
7:53toward her across the field. Now, she
7:56was conscious enough to realize that,
7:58like I said, she couldn't feel parts of
7:59her body. And this terrifying thought
8:02is, am I paralyzed? Like, am I going to
8:06survive? Am I ever going to be able to
8:07move? What what is going to happen? But
8:09luckily for Victoria, one of the
8:11skydivers that was already on the ground
8:13the day that she had jumped was actually
8:16a doctor. So, thank [ __ ] God, another
8:19miracle. Exactly. And so this woman
8:22basically took care of Victoria until
8:24emergency responders airlifted her to
8:27the hospital. And like I said, she
8:30remembers being on this helicopter
8:31thinking, actually, this is kind of a
8:34funny note. She's like, I don't really
8:36understand why they were like doing all
8:37of this. She's like, they're kind of
8:38like making a big deal. That was her
8:40thought process because she wasn't
8:42feeling any pain at that point. And by
8:45the point that once she's in the
8:47helicopter, she's able to wiggle her
8:50fingers and her toes. So, at that point,
8:52she's like, "Okay, I'm not paralyzed.
8:54Like, my body's working." And so, she
8:57thought this was all overkill and she
8:59even felt a little bit guilty that so
9:02many people were making such a fuss
9:04about it. That's what that was her
9:06thought process. And and that just shows
9:08you because I'm sure she didn't just
9:09watch herself fall [ __ ] 1,400 ft from
9:12the sky. Well, and that just shows you
9:14how disconnected she was from what was
9:17happening is she she's like, "I could
9:19wiggle my fingers and toes. I'll be
9:21[ __ ] fine." Yeah. She's like, "What
9:23are you guys worried about?" And good
9:24for her. Wouldn't be me. Yeah. No, I'd
9:26be like me. I would not even be
9:29conscious. I'd be in and out. I'd be
9:31like, "I can't even My consciousness
9:34can't handle this right now. I'm going
9:35to go." There's this episode of Grey's
9:37Anatomy where this one lady, her husband
9:40gets shot with a bazooka. And so there's
9:43like the unexloded oh bazooka thing.
9:46Yeah. It's a whole thing. It's like a
9:47multi-parter. But the point is nothing
9:51happened to this woman, but she just
9:53won't stop screaming. She's just she's
9:54like, "Yeah,
9:57that would be me in this helicopter
9:59right now." Yeah. That actually I would
10:02be a bystander on the field who didn't
10:04even know Victoria. And that would be
10:06me. Yeah. And I don't say that to make
10:09light of the situation. And I say that
10:11to be like to make heavy of this
10:13situation. Like I would be like real
10:16recognized real man. Yeah. Exactly. Like
10:18this is it is so crazy that she
10:21survived. It is so crazy. And then for
10:23her to be like oh well you guys you guys
10:24are doing a little too much here. I can
10:26feel my fingers and toes. You know you
10:29guys can calm down. She obviously she
10:31didn't understand the gravity of the
10:32situation cuz doctors really had to
10:35fight to stabilize her. Like she was not
10:37in a stable condition. She was very
10:39touchandgo. She had lost a lot of blood
10:42and her injuries were life-threatening.
10:44They didn't know if she was going to
10:45make it. But against all odds, Victoria
10:48pulled through through surgery. And when
10:50she woke up in the hospital bed, groggy
10:52and confused, the first sight she saw
10:56was a meal. Sh. her husband, her loving,
11:00caring husband sitting at her bedside.
11:02But he looked anxious, concerned,
11:05actually relieved even. In that moment,
11:08Victoria felt a swell of gratitude and
11:11love. He was there for her when she
11:13needed him. That was No, he wasn't. No,
11:16he wasn't. Yeah, he's he's he's not
11:19going to be. But it you can imagine
11:22you've been having all these marital
11:23troubles and then this horrible thing
11:25happened. like, "Oh my god, this is
11:26going to bring us closer together." You
11:28know, like, "This is going to make him
11:29realize he should be grateful for my
11:32[ __ ] presence, as he should have
11:34been, and he wasn't." Now, in the days
11:37after the fall, Victoria was in and out
11:39of surgeries. She was heavily medicated,
11:42and her recollection of what had
11:44happened was pretty hazy. She does
11:47remember Emil being there in the
11:49hospital, dutifully by her side and
11:52constantly texting on his phone.
11:55She found it odd that even at her
11:57hospital bedside, her husband was
12:00obsessively texting and she was like,
12:02"Who could he be talking to?" In fact,
12:06it would later be revealed that while
12:07Victoria lay injured, Emile had
12:10exchanged hundreds of texts with his
12:13lover, Stephanie.
12:16In one text sent literally as his wife
12:19was fighting for her life a few feet
12:21away, Emil wrote to Stephanie, quote,
12:23"All I can think about is you." End
12:27quote.
12:28I'm like so mad right now. I have no
12:30words. Like I just want to [ __ ] jump
12:32punch this guy so hard that he can't
12:33have kids ever again. Yes. Because why
12:37why even be there? Like why even show up
12:39if you're going to just be that
12:40disrespectful and like and after you did
12:43this he did this to her literally
12:45spoiler alert. He did this to her. Is he
12:47waiting to see if she actually like does
12:49die or is he waiting to be like oh do I
12:52kill her in the hospital? What the [ __ ]
12:55No, he's just like oh like I can't Dude,
12:58I I would Oh my god. I would do anything
13:02to know what he was thinking when he
13:04found out she was going to survive. Like
13:07he's got to be like, "No, he has to be
13:10just absolutely shocked." Yeah. Like,
13:12"Are you [ __ ] kidding me? He probably
13:14went to the hospital to see it for
13:15himself cuz he didn't believe it." Yeah.
13:17And then he's just texting Stephanie.
13:19Yeah. And you would think that after he
13:21did this and he sees her in pain like on
13:24the verge of death and they're trying to
13:26say that he would regret that he would
13:28regret but he's just saying to Stephanie
13:32all I can think about is you really
13:34Emil. You're not thinking about how you
13:36[ __ ] shattered your wife's bones.
13:39Yeah. The mother of your two children.
13:41Yeah. Like what? Oh my god. But he shows
13:45virtually no emotion about Victoria's
13:48accident. And actually, a police officer
13:51who saw a meal at the hospital noted how
13:53unemotional he was for a husband who had
13:56almost lost his wife. And to those Good.
13:59I'm glad he noticed that. Yeah. Yeah.
14:01And at this point, by the way, no one
14:04knows that this was a purposeful
14:06incident. Everybody is thinking at at
14:09first that Well, I I guess not
14:11everybody. We're going to get into it.
14:13But but it's crazy that they already
14:14recognize the signs though. They're
14:16like, "This guy is being weird for like
14:17his wife just [ __ ] almost dying in a
14:20skydiving accident." Exactly. Exactly.
14:24So, to those who didn't know the truth,
14:27Emil just kind of seemed to be in shock.
14:30Maybe, oh, he's being unemotional. He's
14:32being cold, but maybe he just doesn't
14:34know how to handle a situation so grave.
14:40And but to the people who knew Emil and
14:44how he treated Victoria and their
14:46relationship, they found his behavior to
14:50be bone chilling. They were like, "What
14:52in the [ __ ] is going on here?" Now, at
14:55one point, a day or two after the fall,
14:57Victoria looked at Emil with tears in
15:00her eyes and told him, quote, "I love
15:02you." End quote. She was grateful to be
15:04alive and for his support. And what was
15:07Emil's
15:08response? Silence. Silence. He did not
15:12say that he loved her back. And Victoria
15:14would later recall how deeply that hurt
15:16her. Quote, which is harsh in that
15:19situation. Really [ __ ] harsh. End
15:22quote. Is what she said about it. My
15:24heart just breaks for her, man. Like
15:28I cannot [ __ ] imagine. And at this
15:31point, she has no idea that he had
15:32anything to do with this. So she's just
15:34like, "Why don't you crushed. Yeah.
15:37She's like, "Why don't you care that I
15:39have been shattered into pieces?"
15:41Literally, you can't even tell me you
15:43love me back. Like, what? No. He just
15:45offered this like half-hearted smile at
15:47her. Like, well, probably cuz he's like,
15:50"Hey, she just told me she loved me, but
15:52I really love you, Stephanie." Yeah,
15:54pretty much. Cuz that's all he can think
15:55about. Apparently, that's all he can
15:57think about is Stephanie while the
15:59mother of his children is fighting for
16:01her life in the hospital from something
16:03he did to her. But I'll never understand
16:05like why people like that just won't
16:07[ __ ] leave the person they're with
16:08instead of just being shady and like why
16:10are you with her if you I mean I get it
16:13because he wants her money and [ __ ] and
16:15wants to manipulate her and do whatever
16:17he wants. Yeah. But damn just [ __ ]
16:20leave her and go with Steph. If you want
16:21to be with Stephanie, go be with
16:22Stephanie. Yeah. Get it. Yeah. But
16:24that's the thing is he's a [ __ ] loser
16:26and he can't make his own money or
16:29control his spending or whatever. He
16:31needs her [ __ ] money, dude. That's
16:33literally why he won't leave her is
16:35because he needs he needs a mommy to
16:37[ __ ] support him cuz he's a [ __ ]
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17:12whatever, that's not my point. I'm
17:14saying this man who literally won't
17:15divorce her and is going to resort to
17:17killing her, he's a [ __ ] loser. Okay?
17:18Instead of making his problem, he's
17:20making it everyone else's problem. Don't
17:23take that out of context. This is I'm
17:25talking about this context. He's a
17:27[ __ ] loser. But
17:29anyway, and the worst part about all
17:31this is is when he was acting like this,
17:34she started to feel strangely guilty.
17:37Like she had caused this horrible thing
17:41that was going to be destructive for the
17:43family and was upsetting him and she
17:45felt like she had done something to him.
17:48And she actually apologized to Emil for
17:50the whole situation, just feeling guilty
17:52about how stressful this must be for him
17:55because now he has to take care of the
17:57kids without her while she's in the
17:59hospital and he's got to go back and
18:01forth and blah blah blah blah
18:03blah. Doesn't that just make you want to
18:05what did you call it? Junk punch him. I
18:08like that junk punch. He deserves a nice
18:10junk. Yeah, he does deserve a good junk
18:12punch for sure. Now, after the first few
18:15days, Emil's visits were few and far
18:17between, despite the fact that
18:19Victoria's dad had come to stay with the
18:21kids to like take care of the kids so
18:23Emil could go back and forth. Emil
18:26claimed his work wasn't allowing him
18:29extra leave. Mhm. Sure. He's like, "Oh,
18:31yeah. I can't really uh be at the
18:33hospital cuz work, you know, that old
18:36boss of mine always forgetting to pay
18:38me." And Yeah. And she knew at this at
18:42the time she knew that was [ __ ]
18:44Well, yeah. He sounds like is the worst
18:46[ __ ] job and boss in the world, but I
18:49I have a wild guess that it's not the
18:51job or the boss. She knew that was
18:52[ __ ] She knew that. Hey, if there's
18:55any reason for them to give you a little
18:57bit of leave, it's when your wife is
18:59shattered. Like her bones are shattered
19:01in pieces and you have two children like
19:03almost on the brink of death in the
19:05[ __ ] hospital. Yeah, that's Yeah. So
19:09friends started making comments to
19:11Victoria about his absence and the
19:14nurses started commenting on it as well.
19:16One one nurse told Emil when he was
19:18visiting that like hey I know it's hard
19:21to visit cuz you've got the kids and at
19:23home and all of that uh but you don't
19:26have to stick to the visiting hours like
19:27you can visit whenever you want to. And
19:30he's like oh okay thanks whatever. But
19:32then after the nurse said this to him he
19:35never was visiting more. He was always
19:37sticking to to the visiting hours and he
19:39made no change to his schedule. And so
19:42on top of just feeling completely alone
19:44and abandoned and scared, Victoria felt
19:48humiliated. Like he was humiliating her
19:51in front of these nurses who are like,
19:53"Why don't you [ __ ] give a [ __ ] about
19:55your wife?" And she's feeling that
19:58emotion, but also feeling embarrassed
20:01that she's having to feel that in front
20:02of everybody. Yeah. all these people are
20:04watching this and mentioning it to her
20:06like, "Hey, why is he being shitty?"
20:08Exactly. And for her, the really the
20:11thing that was keeping her going in the
20:13hospital was she could not wait to get
20:15home to her children who were not
20:17allowed to visit her in the ICU because
20:19the kids were so little, the doctors
20:21were worried that they would catch a
20:23serious illness. And again, the kids
20:26were just the only thing that was
20:27keeping her going. So, when one of the
20:28doctors informed her that she would
20:30likely be in the hospital for about 3
20:33months due to one of her spinal
20:35fractures, she was absolutely
20:38devastated. Well, yeah. I've got to I
20:40mean, she's got to be so [ __ ] lonely,
20:42dude. Like, even when he's there, he's
20:44like texting some [ __ ] [ __ ]
20:47Yeah. I I can't even imagine. Now, she
20:51did end up getting a second opinion
20:53about this spinal fracture. And the
20:55surgeon basically said that her spine
20:57actually might be stable cuz that was
20:59what they were worried about. Is it
21:00stable? Is it not stable? Cuz if it's
21:02not stable, they have to do surgery on
21:04it. And then she would it would be 3
21:06months. But they had her do this like
21:09standing weight induced X-ray to be sure
21:11to make sure her spine was stable. And
21:13that was really hard. like for her to
21:15stand up and go do an X-ray was very
21:19very painful for her. And so they do
21:22this X-ray and he's like, "All right,
21:25it's good." But she had been on fentanyl
21:28the whole time she was in the hospital.
21:30And if you know, you know fentanyl is
21:32very addictive. And they called what she
21:35had was a drug addiction at that point
21:37because basically when you're in that
21:41condition, they give you a fentanyl
21:43drip. And I guess in her case, it
21:45sounded like she had a button. And so
21:46when she started to feel pain, she would
21:48hit the button. And she kind of talks
21:49about how she was using this as a sort
21:52of mental escape as well. So the
21:55doctor's like, "All right, your spine's
21:57okay, but you got to get off this
21:59fentanyl before we send you home." And
22:01he also said that she needed to spend
22:03time, like a lot of time, sitting
22:06upright in a brace to ensure that her
22:08spine would stay stable over time. And
22:12getting off a fentanyl drip would
22:14usually take people weeks and weeks and
22:16months. And some people have trouble
22:18ever getting off of it, which is very,
22:20very sad in its own right. Well, because
22:22I mean, your body becomes like dependent
22:24on it, you know, right? But Victoria, as
22:27soon as she heard this, her all her mind
22:29was thinking about was her kids. And so
22:31she cold turkey stopped the That's also
22:34really dangerous. I don't
22:36know. It seemed that the doctors were
22:40okay with that. I don't know how long
22:41she was on it or how much she was
22:43taking. I don't know. I think if you're
22:46taking or using anything like fentanyl,
22:49you should definitely have a doctor help
22:51you with that. Don't listen to us. But
22:52yeah, she seemed to be okay. And the
22:55doctors were just really honestly
22:56impressed cuz that is a very hard thing
22:58to do. So, long story short, they
23:01thought she was going to be in there for
23:02months and months, but you know how she
23:05You do you know how long Sorry, this is
23:07killing me. Do you know how long she
23:09ended up spending in the hospital? Take
23:12a guess. They thought 3 months. She's a
23:14badass and she wanted to get home to her
23:16kids. So, I'm going to give her like two
23:18weeks. Literally spot on. Two weeks.
23:21Really? Two weeks. She had internal
23:24bleeding. Her pelvis was shattered. Her
23:26spine was broken in multiple places. Her
23:29right lung was partially collapsed. She
23:31spent two weeks in the hospital. I think
23:33that's the same as Allison Botha. I'm
23:35like, you guys are [ __ ] insane. That
23:39I mean both of these women are crazy,
23:42dude. That should be in Rip's Believe It
23:44or Not [ __ ] book because how do you
23:46fall out of a airplane with two faulty
23:49parachutes, land in the ground going 60
23:52mph m probably and then survive and only
23:55spend two weeks in. And by the way,
23:57there would have been nothing wrong with
23:58if she spent the full 3 months and
24:01doesn't make other people not as good as
24:03them or weaker or anything, but it's
24:05just like [ __ ] crazy. And again,
24:07would not be me. I would have been they
24:09would have said 3 months I would have
24:10been in their six. Give me extra
24:12chocolate pudding from the [ __ ]
24:13cafeteria cuz I'm going to be here for a
24:15long time. Yeah. I mean, it's just wild.
24:19Now, when Victoria called Emil, like she
24:22finds out, oh, I can like actually go
24:24home in a few days or whatever, and she
24:26calls Emil to tell him that she could go
24:29home and she was going to need a ride.
24:30And he responded, quote, "Oh, no." End
24:34quote. explaining that he couldn't get
24:36her until at least a few days after her
24:39release date because of work stuff. Are
24:42you [ __ ] kidding me, Emil? When he
24:44did eventually pick her up, the pair
24:46drove home in silence, and Emil just
24:49radiated doom and gloom the whole way
24:52home. Victoria found recovering at home
24:55mentally easier because she had her kids
24:58around, but much more difficult
25:01physically. At the hospital, she had a
25:03team taking care of her. But at home,
25:06she just had Emil, who huffed and puffed
25:09around the house, making his frustration
25:11at her dependence on him extremely
25:14obvious. Then one day, the couple was
25:17paid a visit by two members of the
25:20British Parachute Association or the
25:23BPA. The parachuting community is small
25:26and they're very safety conscious. Two
25:29parachutes failed. said, "We can't have
25:30this on our record." They said, They
25:32said, "This is the no from us, dog."
25:34Yeah. Like, this is not normal, and
25:36we're going to figure out what the [ __ ]
25:37happened here. Exactly. Because two
25:39parachutes failing on one jump is an
25:42almost impossible scenario. And they
25:46were coming to inform Victoria that they
25:48had opened an investigation into her
25:50accident. Oh, yeah. When they told
25:52Victoria that there were slinks missing
25:55from her parachute, and I think last
25:57week we talked about what slinks were,
25:59right? Okay. Yeah. So, there were slings
26:02missing from her parachute. She was
26:04shocked. She's like, "That's
26:05impossible." Yeah. Like that never
26:07happens. What do you mean if it's like
26:10that Jennifer? What do you mean? What do
26:12you mean? What do you mean?
26:14And Victoria says in her book, because
26:17by the way, if you were wondering in
26:19episode one, like how we knew a lot of
26:21Victoria's thoughts and feelings and
26:22like details, it's because Victoria
26:24wrote she gave them to us a whole book
26:26about this case. And it's called I
26:29survived. I married a charming man and
26:31then he tried to kill me is the name of
26:33the book. So, in her book, she says that
26:39they explained the slings had probably
26:41broken off and that it was only quote
26:44the pressure from the brake line pushing
26:46against the other lines that kept the
26:48parachute inflated enough for you to
26:50survive. End quote. So, basically what
26:53they're saying is it was a miracle of
26:56physics. It was pure luck that she had
26:58pulled the reserve open when she did,
27:00that she was falling at the speed that
27:01she was, that the wind was blowing, the
27:03way that it was, and the way that she
27:05pulled it, with the amount of force that
27:07she pulled it, and all of these things
27:10added up allowing it to open in the best
27:14[ __ ] possible way it could in the
27:17condition that it was that slowed her
27:19down enough to the speed at which she
27:22could survive. That's crazy [ __ ]
27:24work, you know. And yeah, and that's
27:27like how does that happen? There's no
27:29[ __ ] way that's ever gonna happen
27:30twice ever. You know, no way. If she
27:34would have pulled it a second after you
27:36don't know like it it could have turned
27:38out very differently. Who knows? But so
27:41Victoria's like this is the when she
27:44realiz like talking to them she realized
27:47how much of a miracle it was. like she
27:48knew she knew she was like quote unquote
27:51lucky to survive, but like at that she
27:54was like, "Holy shit." Like that is just
27:56chance. Well, I'm sure when they're
27:58like, "Yeah, that literally has never
28:00happened ever in history before." Like
28:03I'm sure that probably gives you like an
28:05awakening of like some sort like damn
28:08like what the [ __ ] Now just days later
28:11they called Victoria to tell her because
28:13at first they thought oh this sling must
28:15have just broken. But then days later,
28:17they call her and they say, "We don't
28:19think this is an accident." It didn't
28:22look like the slings had broken off
28:24because whatever they broke off of would
28:26have been damaged. There was no damage.
28:28It seemed like they were purposely taken
28:31off. They were removed and they had
28:33never been there during her fall. They
28:35told Victoria that they thought they
28:38should call the police for a formal
28:40investigation. Now, Victoria still
28:43really believed that this was an
28:45accident. And she's like,
28:46"Well, no one had my shoot." Who would
28:49have done this? Who would have done
28:50this? No one had my shoot. Oh my god.
28:52So, she's like that this is overkill,
28:54but to be safe, she gave them permission
28:56to call the police. And thank God she
28:58did. Yeah. Now, after weeks of not
29:01hearing anything from the authorities,
29:04the possibility that someone had done
29:05this to her on purpose completely left
29:08her mind. She kind of like just stopped
29:09thinking about it. She's like, "Oh,
29:10nothing really came out of it." cuz she
29:12said she could open this investigation
29:14and then she never heard anything. That
29:17is until one day she randomly gets a
29:20visit from the police. Now Emil had been
29:23out all day and without his help the
29:25house had become a mess. So they knock
29:28on the door. They're like, "Can we come
29:29in?" And Victoria is just embarrassed.
29:32But she can't be cleaning up the house
29:33and everything. So she lets the officers
29:36in anyway.
29:38Well, I'm sure they're like, "Yeah, you
29:39I mean, you've been through some [ __ ] I
29:41don't care what your house looks like.
29:42Yeah. No, I'm sure they they did not
29:44care at all. Once they sat down, they
29:48informed Victoria that the reason Emil
29:51hadn't come home yet was because he had
29:53been
29:54arrested. Confused, she said, "What
29:58for?" Oh my god. She didn't understand
30:01what he had been arrested for. that I
30:03feel like that tells you like how deep
30:05into this relationship and like his like
30:09control coercive control. Yeah. Because
30:12everyone else was seeing it, including
30:14the police officer at the hospital, the
30:16nurses, everybody that was like, "Hey,
30:18this is weird that your husband doesn't
30:19even want to come and see you ever."
30:20Like, but I think even they didn't think
30:23that he did this. They were just like
30:25[ __ ] [ __ ] Yeah. But she she
30:28didn't see that either, you know. Yeah.
30:30So So she asked them, "What for?" And
30:32they said, quote, "For your attempted
30:34murder," end quote. And Victoria was
30:38flabbergasted. Her her flabbers were
30:41gasted as I stole that joke. I do think
30:44that was a joke made on morbid or it
30:47might I don't know. I heard that on a
30:48podcast. I stole it. Okay, I'm not
30:50taking credit for that joke. Flathers
30:52were cast. Now, throughout the
30:54conversation, she even began to grow
30:56angry with the police. This was
30:59obviously just some big
31:01misunderstanding. She needed him home,
31:04not only to take care of the children,
31:06but to take care of her. Okay, she's not
31:09healed yet. And she has two kids and now
31:12her husband is
31:14gone. Who's going to help her with these
31:16kids? How is she going to get around?
31:18How? She can't hold the baby. The baby's
31:20a few weeks old. She can't hold the
31:22baby.
31:24So she continuously asked them, begging
31:27to speak to Emil, thinking that if I can
31:29just talk to him, she can clear this
31:31whole thing up because this is all just
31:33a big misunderstanding.
31:35But the police would not allow it. And
31:37that evening, Victoria went to the
31:39station and gave them an official
31:41statement. They asked her to tell them
31:43about what happened that day, and it
31:46forced her to relive extremely traumatic
31:49memories. When they asked if Emil had
31:52access to her shoot before the jump,
31:54that was the first time it hit her that
31:56Emil actually, you know what, Emil had
31:58taken the shoot to the bathroom when he
32:00went to the bathroom with April. And
32:02that was the day before when they were
32:03renting the shoot. Yep. And she did tell
32:06them that, but she felt guilty for
32:08telling them that because she knew she's
32:10like, "Oh, that doesn't look good for
32:12him." And this was gonna she knew it was
32:15going to be used as evidence against her
32:17innocent husband being accused of
32:19something he did not do. Before she
32:22left, they downloaded the data from her
32:24phone so they could read all of the
32:26messages between her and Emil. And
32:28again, she just feels mortified because
32:30obviously their marriage has not been
32:32going well. Not only is she going
32:33through this traumatic thing physically
32:35and mentally, but now it's emotionally
32:36because everyone's ruining her [ __ ]
32:38business and that sucks. I would I do I
32:42would not want the police reading my
32:43text messages. So, detectives
32:46interviewed everyone that had access to
32:49this parachute. And from the start,
32:51something about Emil set off their alarm
32:54bells. One detective later said, quote,
32:56"He just made me very uncomfortable
32:58right from the get-go. He was supremely
33:01confident. To be that supremely
33:04confident did not feel right." Red
33:06quote. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Emil spoke to
33:09the officers with an easy and almost
33:11cocky demeanor, insisting that it must
33:14all be a tragic accident or perhaps
33:17sabotage by someone else. He even
33:20floated a bizarre theory. Maybe a random
33:23killer at the airfield has snuck in and
33:26tampered with Victoria's parachute. And
33:28by the
33:30way, statistically, and I don't have
33:32numbers for this, I should have prepared
33:34some, but this is just coming from the
33:36top of my head. Statistically, random
33:38murders where someone kills somebody or
33:41tries to kill somebody that they don't
33:43know and there's not some type of
33:45personal motive are so [ __ ] rare.
33:50Those are so rare. So, the fact that
33:52he's just like, "Maybe there's a killer
33:54out there on the loose that's just going
33:56to just some random person go in and
33:57tamper with parachutes. Yeah, let me
33:59just go remove a couple slinks and then
34:01maybe I'll see it on the news later."
34:02Like, who's doing that? Nobody. Yeah.
34:05So, he also implied with zero evidence
34:08that maybe Victoria had sabotaged her
34:12own parachute in attempt to harm
34:14herself. No [ __ ] way did he just go
34:16there. No [ __ ] way, Emil.
34:19I I don't have words. Literally, I'm not
34:23You guys know I'm against violence. We
34:26shouldn't be junk punching people, but I
34:28don't even junk punch wouldn't cover it.
34:31I
34:32mean, I don't mean this any of this
34:34literally, but I just want to chop this
34:38man into I I don't have words for how
34:41much I hate this man with every fiber of
34:43my [ __ ] being. I really don't. I just
34:47He's trying to blame it on her, saying
34:49she tried to kill herself. Are you
34:51[ __ ] kidding me? Oh my god. And by
34:54the way, so dumb when she's literally
34:57alive to say like, "Hey, yeah, no, I
34:59didn't." Yeah. Like, what the [ __ ] What
35:01a dumb way to Oh my god. So stupid. Now,
35:05the investigators also find these
35:07explanations absolutely absurd. They're
35:09like, literally no. I can't even imagine
35:12them looking at him like, "Are you
35:13[ __ ] kidding me?" Like, really, dude?
35:15Literally no. Now, Emil's lack of
35:18concern and his overconfidence only
35:20heightened their suspicions that they
35:22were dealing with a coldblooded killer.
35:25Yeah. So, Victoria returned home with
35:28her dad and stepmom on the way to take
35:31care of her and the kids again. The
35:33police came to the house a second time
35:35to let Victoria know that Emil was out
35:37on bail, though neither he nor she were
35:40allowed to contact one another and he
35:42was not even allowed to enter Wiltshire
35:44County. So, he's banned from her
35:48basically. And police then told Victoria
35:51that they had found messages between
35:53Emil and Stephanie that proved that he
35:55was planning on moving in with
35:58Stephanie. They also found proof of
36:00extensive debts. Of course, Victoria
36:03always knew that he had money issues,
36:06but she had been giving him all of this
36:08money and a lot of money before right
36:11before Ben was born because she wanted
36:13to take care of the money issues before
36:16the second baby was born. But instead,
36:18he had just been spending it all on
36:20brothel in [ __ ] Donkey Glory hole.
36:23[ __ ] Donkey Dick's glory hole. Oh my
36:26god. Donkey Dick's glory hole. But yeah,
36:29so he had spent all this money that she
36:31had given him and he did not use it to
36:33pay off his debts. Now, Victoria had not
36:36told anyone else about Emil's financial
36:38problems or his infidelity. So, she was
36:42mortified when the police came to visit
36:45and her dad was there and the police are
36:47telling her all of this right in front
36:49of her dad because he didn't know about
36:50any of this which I I mean it's good in
36:54the long run that he finds out obviously
36:57because she needs support with dealing
36:59with all of this but she but I can see
37:01where she was like so embarrassed and
37:03just like didn't want to talk about it
37:04in front of her family. They didn't know
37:06about it, you know. Yeah. And she just
37:08burst out into tears thinking about how
37:10Emil treated her, but she still did not
37:13believe that he would ever try to kill
37:16her. I mean, yeah, he was a [ __ ]
37:18piece of [ __ ] He was a total prick, but
37:20he wasn't violent. He had never hit her.
37:23He had never tried to hurt her. He had
37:25never been physically violent. And
37:27that's the point I want to hammer home
37:28to anyone listening who's like, "Oh, but
37:32like my partner does some of these
37:34things or all of these things or one of
37:37these things."
37:38It's like, but he's not violent, but
37:40he's not abusive. Yeah. This is abuse
37:44before he tries to kill her. This is an
37:46abusive, emotionally, mentally abusive,
37:49controlling, coercive, and manipulative
37:52situation. And I think what's the
37:54scariest part is that she was like so in
37:57love with him and so loyal to him that
37:59she literally didn't even believe the
38:01cops when they were telling her that he
38:03did this. She's like, "No way." I mean,
38:05he might be like unloyal, you know? And
38:08this is the thing about the Tik Tok
38:09comments. Like I keep talking about
38:10this, but like people are like, "Of
38:12course he did this. He was texting the
38:14teenage girl or whatever." And it's
38:15like, but I see it's like put yourself
38:18in her shoes. Yeah.
38:20I see why she would not believe that he
38:24did this because he's never tried to
38:26hurt her. Like, we've all dated a
38:28[ __ ] [ __ ] who's who, I don't know,
38:31who cheats on you or who does something,
38:34but you would never, especially if he
38:36has never laid a hand on you. You would
38:39never just jump to believe. You're like,
38:41"Okay, the man's got some [ __ ] Yeah,
38:43he behaves like a manchild." Whatever.
38:46Norman [ __ ] Rockwell. Shout out Lana
38:48Del Rey. But you would not be like, "Oh
38:51yeah, and I think you would try to
38:53murder me." Like even my worst boyfriend
38:56that I ever dated that I could think of,
38:59I'm like, "He would never try and kill
39:01me." That's what you think. Exactly.
39:04That's my point. And we're kind of like
39:05laughing at the audacity of the
39:08situation. But this is a real thing. Not
39:11everybody who is murdered by their
39:14partner had been going through years of
39:17physical domestic violence. A lot of
39:19them had been in abusive situations for
39:22years that were not physical. And
39:25sometimes it doesn't get physical until
39:28it is trying to end your life. And so
39:32you have to understand that just because
39:33there's not physical violence doesn't
39:36mean you're not in a very dangerous
39:38situation. And uh we're not experts. So
39:42I'm not saying that oh just because he
39:44does or someone you're dating is doing
39:47one of these things or some of these
39:48things and not to this extent or what.
39:50I'm saying you need to talk to a
39:52professional. You need to get some
39:54resources. We're not professionals.
39:56We're not a good resource. But if you're
39:58like sitting here like thinking about
40:00your own relationship while we're
40:02talking about this, that's enough of a
40:03sign to where you should talk to
40:06somebody who knows what they're talking
40:07about when it comes to this kind of
40:08stuff because again, there's not always
40:11violence leading up to murder. So
40:13anyway, thank you for coming to my TED
40:15talk to get back to the story. But
40:17here's the thing. So I forgot about
40:20this. This gets even worse because while
40:23the police are telling her about this,
40:25they informed her that in one message,
40:27Emil told Stephanie that Victoria had
40:30been unfaithful and that Ben was not
40:33even his son. What the
40:37Obviously, this is not true. More angry
40:39at this [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] I can't
40:42even call him a man because I don't even
40:43think he's a [ __ ] person. No, he's a
40:45man child. He's a little boy. That's
40:48what he is. Yeah, he is. And this for
40:51Victoria. Obviously, this is not true.
40:53Victoria had never been unfaithful.
40:55Obviously, Ben was his son and this was
40:58just the final straw that like really
41:00shattered her perception of Emil. She
41:03felt like she did not know him at all.
41:06Well, yeah. He's like trying to say that
41:07his son's not even his. Like, what the
41:09[ __ ] But again, this is She's still
41:12like, but he's not a murderer.
41:15it. That's a big jump still for him to
41:17be a cheater and a piece of [ __ ] but
41:19not a murderer. So, the officers asked
41:22her if she wanted to make a new
41:23statement after finding this out, and
41:25she anxiously agreed, despite not being
41:28fully convinced that Emil had done this.
41:31She goes downtown with them to the
41:32station and she the floodgates [ __ ]
41:35open. She starts from the beginning
41:37telling them all about when they first
41:39got together, how Emil was so obsessed
41:41with her, treating her like a princess,
41:43and she felt like the center of his
41:45world. Then she got into the small
41:48things, the little red flags that
41:50somehow snowballed into major issues
41:52like cheating and lying and the debt,
41:54and then eventually into the possible
41:57attempt on Victoria's life. Now, the
42:00officers asked if she believed it could
42:02have been an accident, but Victoria
42:04admitted. She said, "Slinks do not
42:08break." She knew it couldn't be an
42:10accident. Oo, that just gave me chills.
42:12But she she's like, "Slinks don't
42:14[ __ ] break." Nothing that doesn't
42:16happen. Again, that's what shows you
42:18what an emotional state that this is is
42:20because she knows I mean, in her mind,
42:24she knows
42:25slings don't break. This was not an
42:27accident. someone did this to her. Who
42:30would do this to her? Who had access to
42:32the shoot? But she can't like break that
42:35barrier yet because she still is like
42:38doesn't think that Emil did this. Well,
42:39that and I feel like in emotionally
42:42abusive relationships, they make you
42:44question yourself all the time.
42:45Everything that you think that is
42:48obvious and real, you're like, "Wait,
42:50but is it though?" Because they told me
42:52it's not, so I must not be, you know?
42:55Exactly. He has been grooming her
42:58mindset for years for her to think this
43:02way, for her to think that he would
43:04never do something like this to her. And
43:06so that's why I get mad at these people
43:08who point at her like, "Oh, you dummy.
43:11You like that's literally some of the
43:13[ __ ] comments." And it's like, I think
43:17these people don't know. They And I
43:19don't know. I thank God I don't know.
43:22But it's like these people, I can just
43:24tell they don't have empathy. They're
43:27not putting theirelves in her shoes.
43:30They're putting her in their shoes. And
43:33like that's not what how it works. But
43:35even I mean to their defense, if you
43:39have never been in an emotionally
43:40abusive, if you have never experienced
43:42that or don't know enough about it, I've
43:45like if this was me, I would have
43:47[ __ ] noticed, you know, I would leave
43:48them, too. And we all like to believe
43:51that. Mhm. We, you know, we would and
43:54some people do and some people do, but
43:56it just depends on your life before
43:59that, your history, what you've dealt
44:00with before, you know, do you know the
44:02warning sign? And I just so I just don't
44:05be in the [ __ ] you will be blocked
44:07immediately. On Tik Tok there's too many
44:10comments. I can't block everybody that
44:11says I'll try but I can't. But like I
44:14can block if you leave a Spotify
44:16comment. I can block you and I have done
44:19it a lot of times before. I will block
44:22you if you piss me off. So, just wait.
44:24So, does that mean they can't listen to
44:25the episodes that on Spotify? Not on
44:26Spotify, but like they could make an
44:28account somewhere like they could make a
44:30new account or they could listen
44:31somewhere else or whatever. But I do I
44:33did I blocked that one lady that was
44:36saying mean stuff about you, dude.
44:37Instagram shoes, [ __ ] I'm like later
44:39lady. Yeah, later loser. Later hater.
44:42Later hater. Anyway,
44:45so she knows slings don't break. They
44:49then asked Victoria about the weeks
44:51leading up to the fall. How was Emil
44:53acting? Did anything out of the ordinary
44:55happen? And that's when it hit her. The
44:57gas leak. Emil Oh, I forgot about the
45:01gas leak. Emil had reacted so
45:04aggressively and so defensively when she
45:07joked to him, "Are you trying to kill
45:10me?" Oh my god. the same way he did when
45:13she had asked him if he was seeing other
45:15women or if he had smoked in the car
45:17when it obviously rire of cigarettes or
45:19if he had taken money from their joint
45:20account. All of which he viciously
45:23denied. How dare you? How could you ever
45:25believe I would do something like that?
45:27But Victoria knew that she had been
45:30right about them all. And that
45:32instantaneous defensiveness was a
45:35reaction that Victoria had become very
45:37accustomed to. Each time he asked, "How
45:40could you accuse me of such a thing?" It
45:43was just a transparent tell that he had
45:45indeed done such a [ __ ] thing. Y and
45:48the reaction to Victoria's joke about
45:51the gas leak when she texted him saying,
45:52"Are you trying to kill me?" It had been
45:55exactly the same. How could you accuse
45:58me of such a thing? And she could never.
46:02And it's so funny because she was
46:04literally just kidding. She was just
46:06kidding. And she was [ __ ] right.
46:09Yeah. Yeah. She was just kidding. But
46:11it's the reaction when they asked her,
46:13"Did anything weird happen?" She goes,
46:14"The gas leaking." And she goes, "Oh my
46:16god, the math is mathing." The math was
46:18mathing. The puzzle pieces were piecing.
46:21They were holing. Actually, they all
46:24came together in that moment. And this
46:27is the first inkling, the first
46:30realization that her husband, the man
46:31whom she loved and devoted her life to,
46:35might have truly been trying to kill
46:38her. Damn. And this was obviously
46:41devastating. She did not want to believe
46:43it. She struggled with shock and denial.
46:46And in initial police interviews, she
46:48even downplayed some of her earlier
46:50statements about, you know, the way he
46:52treated her and things he said. And what
46:54she's worried she was worried that maybe
46:56she had exaggerated some of these things
46:58due to the anger and emotion she felt
47:01over his cheating. Part of her was
47:03clinging to the hope that this was all
47:05some horrible misunderstanding. For a
47:08time, Victoria couldn't publicly accuse
47:10Emil of trying to murder her. The notion
47:13was too painful to accept and she still
47:16believed Emil to be innocent, at least
47:18of trying to kill her. So really, okay,
47:22this is what we're gonna
47:24see. This is a very slow process of
47:27acceptance. She, again, at this point,
47:30she doesn't think he did it, but she's
47:32thinking, "Wow, there's a lot of stuff
47:34pointing to that maybe he did." And
47:36she's kind of feeling like she Well, she
47:39wants them to keep
47:40investigating so she can get that one
47:43piece of evidence that's going to prove
47:44it's not true. You know what I mean?
47:46She's like, "Oh my god, this is kind of
47:48looking like he did try and kill me
47:50multiple times, but she's waiting for
47:52that one thing to come out that's going
47:53to be like, "Oh my god, right." Yeah.
47:56Like the saving, but she's still not
47:58fully there. She's still not fully
48:00realizing that he had done this to her,
48:03either of these things. And on top of
48:05this, Victoria's not just struggling
48:07with what happened to Emil and her
48:09physical healing, she's also struggling
48:10with the PTSD from the fall. She often
48:13had nightmares about the fall. Like
48:15literally herself falling and smacking
48:18into the ground and the ground shaking.
48:20And this made it difficult to sleep.
48:22Yeah. So scary. So scary. And she found
48:25her life in shambles. She was
48:27sleepdeprived and she was temporarily
48:29disabled. She was a mother taking care
48:32of two children by herself. Her she did
48:34have help from her family, thank God.
48:36But she had to try to explain to April
48:38why her daddy wasn't around. Having to
48:41live by the strict rules set by
48:43investigators because she wasn't allowed
48:45to contact Emil. She wasn't allowed to
48:47do certain things. She wasn't allowed to
48:48leave the country. But you know what's
48:50funny? You know who was allowed to leave
48:52the country? Emil.
48:54I don't know why. Don't ask me why. I
48:57can't understand it. I can't understand
48:58it. It was like as long as he got it app
49:01whatever.
49:02but she's trying to heal herself
49:03physically, mentally, and emotionally
49:06while she processed the trauma of the
49:08fall and was currently experiencing new
49:12trauma from the investigation itself.
49:15She began to feel like she was going
49:17crazy. Th those are her words, not mine.
49:20She said going crazy. And she sought
49:22help from a psychiatrist who told her,
49:24quote, "This is a normal reaction to an
49:27abnormal situation." End quote.
49:31True. But she remembers she writes in
49:33her book that she remembers thinking how
49:35useless that advice was and wishing that
49:38Emil could be home to help her. Yeah. A
49:41Yeah. She's like, "Yeah, you you're
49:43preaching to the [ __ ] choir. I
49:44already know that. Like, how do I fix
49:46it?" Yeah. But I think it's it's one of
49:49those things where it's like you just
49:50takes time. You can't It's like that it
49:52has to play out there. There's nothing
49:54you can do to stop what's happening.
49:57Nonetheless, that's sad. That's sad
49:58because you can't control. I'm sure she
50:00just wants Emil to be this like great
50:02guy and love her and she's like, I
50:03already have two kids with him. I just
50:04need help and blah blah blah. And she's
50:06coming to terms with the fact that he's
50:07not that person. Exactly. Exactly. And
50:10nonetheless, the evidence was piling up
50:13against him. It was piling up to prove
50:15to her that he was not this great guy
50:18that was going to come home and
50:20everything was going to be okay. Police
50:22carried out a search warrant at
50:23Victoria's house, which frustrated her.
50:26She felt like she was the one being
50:28treated like a criminal. The forensics
50:30team found tiny flexcks of the meal's
50:33blood on the loosened gas fitting in
50:36their home that was loose that caused
50:38the gas leak, indicating that he had
50:41been the one tampering with it. Victoria
50:44reme thought back to the night and she
50:45remembered that she had noticed the gas
50:47leak the day after Emil had cut his hand
50:51pretty badly before he left to head back
50:53to the army barracks. So he gets this
50:56cut on his hand. He's bleeding and won't
50:57stop bleeding. That's at night. And then
50:59the next day, she smells the gas
51:03leak. Then they find his blood on the
51:06[ __ ] thing that was loose that had to
51:08be fixed by the guy that came to fix the
51:09gas. So I mean, yeah. Now, phone records
51:13that one to yourself there, buddy. Yeah.
51:15Like you didn't wipe it up. Yeah. This
51:17[ __ ] idiot. Now, phone records showed
51:20his flurry of messages to Stephanie on
51:22the days of both the gas leak and the
51:25skydive attempt, outlining his
51:27intentions to start a new life with her
51:29immediately. How far apart were the gas
51:32leak and the skydiving? I believe it was
51:34like a couple a few weeks. Oh, really? A
51:36few weeks. Yeah. But just a reminder,
51:39the children were home during the gas
51:42leak. Oh my god. He was going to kill
51:44them all. Like the house would have
51:46blown up and the newborn baby and the
51:50toddler daughter would have been blown
51:54up in this. You can't tell me that
51:55there's not something actually wrong
51:56with this man. He has some [ __ ]
51:59issues. Oh yeah. Yes, there is something
52:02wrong with him. Now, with all of this
52:04new evidence, Emil was charged with two
52:06counts of Victoria's attempted murder.
52:08one for the fall and one for the gas
52:10leak, as well as two counts of reckless
52:13endangerment because the two children,
52:15like I said, were home during this gas
52:16leak. The case that emerged was
52:18jaw-dropping. Prosecutors painted Emil
52:21as a man driven by greed, lust, and a
52:24callous disregard for human life. That
52:27sums them up pretty well. Yeah, I feel
52:28like that's pretty They forgot [ __ ]
52:31loser. They forgot that he's a [ __ ]
52:33loser. But other than that, I feel like
52:35they nailed it. Tracks. Yeah. Now, in
52:38court, they laid out his motives
52:40clearly. He wanted the insurance money
52:43that he had taken out on Victoria
52:44without her knowledge of
52:48£120,000. And he wanted that insurance
52:51money to solve his financial problems.
52:53How can you take a life insurance policy
52:54out on somebody and then not know about
52:56it? I didn't know that was possible.
52:58Yeah. I don't know. It's a thing. You
53:01can take one out on your partner because
53:02if they die, you're the one that has to
53:03deal with the financial
53:05issues. I think it's probably limited
53:08who you can. I don't know. That's crazy.
53:10This is one of the things that my dad's
53:11gonna be like, "You guys really should
53:13have Googled." I I I have 16 screens in
53:16front of me, guys. Google it yourselves.
53:18Respectfully, love you. Love you all.
53:20But yeah, we'll we'll one day cover
53:24that. Um but right now, I'm not going to
53:26get into it. Okay. But yeah, he takes
53:28out this insurance policy and basically
53:31he just he wants to get rid of his pet
53:33and he wanted to be free to pursue his
53:36relationship with Stephanie without the
53:38messy burden of a wife and kids. And I
53:42guess he figured, okay, I guess the gas
53:44leak didn't work, so I guess I'll let
53:46the kids live. I don't know. I don't
53:47know his intentions with the Well,
53:48according to him, he doesn't even have
53:50his his [ __ ] son is not his son,
53:53apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
53:54Exactly. And he even resented Victoria's
53:57success. That was another thing that
53:59they point to. Victoria was much more
54:01successful than him. Like when it came
54:03to being an army officer, he allegedly
54:06feared that if she divorced him, his or
54:09her rank and credibility could harm his
54:12career. It would make him look bad. So
54:15he thought it was better that she just
54:17never got the chance because she did a
54:19better job. She was a higher rank. She
54:21was well respected. And spoiler alert,
54:24he [ __ ] wasn't. Yeah, because he's
54:26she's not a piece of [ __ ] like he is,
54:28you know? Yeah, exactly. And as one
54:30investigator succinctly put it, quote,
54:33"It's quite clear that Emil Silier was
54:36trying to engineer a situation where he
54:38could kill his wife, run off with his
54:40lover, collect the money from an
54:42insurance policy, and have a lot of
54:44sympathy because his wife had apparently
54:46died in a dreadful accident." End quote.
54:50again. He forgot to mention that he's a
54:52[ __ ] loser. Yeah. But other than
54:54that, nailed it. Nailed it. Now, it was
54:57the perfect crime in his mind because it
55:00just looks like an accident. Like a
55:02skydiving accident. Who would know?
55:04Except of course the fact that Victoria
55:07survived. That was a real fluke. Well,
55:09that and all his [ __ ] up behavior
55:10before that that led up to that. So like
55:12Exactly. And I don't know if you guys I
55:15put this sentence in here like it's not
55:17painfully obvious at this point, but
55:19really Emil's not nearly as clever as he
55:21thinks he is. Emil first went to trial
55:24in 2017, 2 and 1/2 years after the fall.
55:27And Victoria was, of course, called as a
55:30witness. She answered their questions
55:32honestly, but she told the court that
55:34she may have exaggerated some of her
55:36statements to police about Emil's human
55:38dumpster behavior due to her emotional
55:41state at the time. So, she could have
55:43been meaner. I in my opinion agree. In
55:45my humble opinion, she wasn't mean
55:47enough. I don't know like verbatim what
55:49she told them, but I I think she could
55:51have gone twice as hard probably. But
55:53that's been hard enough. She still is
55:56not fully convinced that he did this.
55:57So, I think she's trying to find this
55:59happy medium of like she wants this
56:01trial to happen. She wants to hear all
56:02the evidence come out because she wants
56:04to know what happened. She wants to know
56:06if he did this, but she doesn't want to
56:08lead it one way or the other. She's
56:10trying to tell the truth but be as
56:12neutral as possible. She's just trying
56:13to be Switzerland until she has all the
56:14facts. Exactly. Because she just felt
56:16conflicted like she still hoped that
56:18Emil hadn't done this. But she wanted
56:22the truth to come out. Now the
56:24prosecutor then asked her if she had
56:25lied about anything during those
56:27statements cuz Victoria's like, "Well,
56:29you know, I I said all this stuff."
56:30Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um but maybe I
56:32exaggerated. And the prosecutor's like,
56:34"Well, did you lie about anything?" And
56:36she's like, "Well, no." They're like,
56:38"Okay, cool." Exactly. So, they asked
56:40Victoria questions about her extensive
56:42skydiving expertise. They asked her,
56:45"How likely is it for a main parachute
56:48to fail?" And she said, "You know, one
56:50in every 750 to a,000 jumps on average."
56:54They then asked, "How often does a
56:56reserve shoot fail?" And she said, "One
56:59in a million." So, think about both of
57:01those failing. It just doesn't literally
57:03never happen. Like, yes. That's why
57:05there's that's why there's a reserve
57:08parachute. Right now, while she was on
57:10the stand, they presented messages from
57:14Emil to Carly and Stephanie asking about
57:17where she was and what she was doing at
57:19the times that some of these messages
57:21were sent. Okay, this is when she
57:24learned that Emil had been texting
57:27Stephanie while she was literally giving
57:30birth to Ben.
57:32I would be so [ __ ] mad if I was hurt.
57:35The amount of restraint I would have to
57:37have to not just beat the [ __ ] out of
57:39this man. If you remove the fact that he
57:42tried to murder her twice, even without
57:44that,
57:46finding out that your husband was doing
57:48this while you're giving birth, while
57:49you're in the hospital, whatever. Let's
57:51just say this was an act. It wasn't, but
57:53let's say it was.
57:55I would be traumatized from that alone.
57:58That is [ __ ] traumatic. Well, yeah.
58:00You're like welcoming this like this
58:03beautiful child into the world. It's
58:04supposed to be a great happy time moment
58:06and then you find out that he was
58:08cheating on you the entire time. I can't
58:11even It genuinely makes me sick to my
58:14stomach a little bit. Part of me just
58:15wants to commit a crime. I don't know
58:17what happens to this guy, but if he's in
58:18jail, part of me just wants to commit a
58:20crime just to see him in jail and chop
58:22his [ __ ] fingers off. Man, prison
58:24time isn't enough. I that's yeah I I'm
58:29feeling emotional about the situation so
58:31I don't mean what I'm going to say but I
58:33do feel like there should be some type
58:35of room for cruel put him out of a
58:37[ __ ] helicopter plane with no
58:40parachute to see if he survives no so
58:43this is not the only [ __ ] horrific
58:45thing that she learns through these
58:47trials though because it was through the
58:49trial and articles about the trial
58:51because she wasn't allowed to be there
58:53until she testified died. Mhm. She
58:56starts to learn the details of Emil's
58:58affair with Stephanie, as well as the
59:01fact that Emil had still been sleeping
59:03with Carly from time to time while
59:06Victoria was pregnant with Ben and after
59:08she gave birth, which is [ __ ] because
59:10Victoria trusted Carly at that point.
59:12Like, she had met Carly, you know, cuz
59:14he had kids with her and like they had
59:16gotten along and she would see the kids
59:18and whatever. And she would even send
59:20Ben and April to stay with Carly for a
59:22time, especially while she was
59:24recovering like from her injuries. She
59:27sent the kids to stay with Carly, so
59:28give them a break. And Carly was [ __ ]
59:31sleeping with a meal.
59:33So she's just feeling
59:36like absolutely betrayed in every way,
59:40shape, and form.
59:42And this [ __ ] blew her out of the
59:45water cuz obviously she had suspicions
59:48that he had been cheating and she had
59:50seen messages from Stephanie, but she
59:52had never once suspected that anything
59:55weird was happening with Carly and Emil.
59:57I'm going to say I did because I didn't
59:59like Carly from the [ __ ] first part
1:00:01of this. Yeah. Honestly, what did she
1:00:03say? She said something that I was like,
1:00:04I don't like that. She was like she was
1:00:06like trying to tell her that. Yeah.
1:00:08Yeah. The first time they that she met,
1:00:10she blew the whole thing about the fact
1:00:12that Emil had other kids with another
1:00:14lady and she was like, "Oh, never mind.
1:00:16I'll let him tell you about that." Like,
1:00:17"Shut the [ __ ] up, Carly." Actually,
1:00:20don't shut up. Keep talking. What a dick
1:00:22move. She also learns from the trial
1:00:24about that 120,000 lb life insurance
1:00:27policy, which again, she had no idea
1:00:29about. Now, as for Emil's
1:00:32defense, can you guess what it was?
1:00:36I don't even want to [ __ ] know at
1:00:37this point that Victoria was suicidal
1:00:39and that she had tampered with her own
1:00:41parachute. Wow. Wow. Emil, what? I just
1:00:45at this point just [ __ ] give it up
1:00:47and just don't traumatize this woman
1:00:49more. So, they claimed that you know,
1:00:52oh, I would never how could how dare you
1:00:55accuse me of doing something like this.
1:00:56This defense team is probably just like,
1:00:58you're a [ __ ] idiot. Like, thanks for
1:01:00giving me the hardest [ __ ] case.
1:01:02Yeah, literally. So, this is the way
1:01:05they frame it. He never would have
1:01:06killed
1:01:07Victoria because he would have been
1:01:10financially ruined without her. Not
1:01:12because, oh, that's his wife and the
1:01:14mother of his children. That was
1:01:16their knew there was so much evidence
1:01:19that he was such a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ]
1:01:21that they were like, well, he never
1:01:23would have killed her because she was
1:01:25the only thing keeping his finances
1:01:27going.
1:01:29Which isn't true because that's why he
1:01:31took out the life insurance policy on
1:01:33her. Yeah, just the [ __ ] audacity of
1:01:36I can't even believe it. Yeah, that's
1:01:38next level. Now,
1:01:40astonishingly, that first trials jury
1:01:44failed to reach a
1:01:47verdict. Mistrial.
1:01:49How? I don't know. They couldn't reach a
1:01:52verdict, apparently. I think it's pretty
1:01:54[ __ ] crystal clear what happened. I
1:01:56agree. I agree. But that's just me. Now,
1:01:58after the trial, articles came out
1:02:00criticizing Victoria for defending Emil.
1:02:04They said she went up and defended him,
1:02:05which really wasn't what she had done.
1:02:07Shut the [ __ ] up. Seriously. She even
1:02:09started receiving letters in the mail
1:02:11from strangers rudely writing quote,
1:02:13"How can you believe him?" End quote.
1:02:16Online blogs popped up, some criticizing
1:02:19Victoria for not condemning Emil, others
1:02:21calling her a jealous liar trying to put
1:02:24her husband in prison just because he
1:02:26cheated on her. I hate people so much.
1:02:28Me too. And the these are the Tik Tok
1:02:31these are these are the Tik Tok people
1:02:33that are on Tik Tok commenting stupid
1:02:35[ __ ] Exactly. Cuz they have nothing
1:02:37better to do. Literally prosecutors
1:02:39press for a retrial though because
1:02:42they're determined that they're not
1:02:43going to let this would be prosecutors
1:02:46are like, "Are you [ __ ] kidding me?"
1:02:47Like what? Exactly. How much more
1:02:48evidence do you need? Yeah. Now Victoria
1:02:50was devastated knowing that she was
1:02:52going to have to live through a second
1:02:53trial because this is going on for
1:02:55years. Okay. Well, that and she has
1:02:57[ __ ] random ass people telling her
1:02:58that she's doing the wrong thing and not
1:03:00trying
1:03:02[ __ ] people, man. People people be
1:03:04peopleing. Now, the second trial in
1:03:06April 2018 found Victoria on the stand
1:03:09again and even more new horrific details
1:03:13were revealed. This time they detailed
1:03:16Emil's visits to sex clubs and, you
1:03:19know, paying for sex workers, his creepy
1:03:21texts to the teenage babysitter. And the
1:03:24public laid into Victoria for staying
1:03:27with a man who would hit on a teenager,
1:03:30completely ignorant of his manipulation
1:03:32that led her to believe that his phone
1:03:35had been hacked. Cuz remember that was
1:03:37his excuse that he made her believe was
1:03:39like, "Oh, my phone was hacked." And
1:03:41whatever. And people are like, "Oh my
1:03:43god, well, this is your fault for
1:03:44staying with a man who would hit on a
1:03:46teenager." And she's like, "Well, I
1:03:48didn't believe that he had hit on this
1:03:50teenager." You know what I mean? Again,
1:03:53that's how deep a relationship she was,
1:03:54dude. Like, exactly. Exactly. So, it was
1:03:59during the retrial that Victoria finally
1:04:02began to accept the fact that Emil had
1:04:04indeed tried to kill her twice and her
1:04:07children once. So, we're years into
1:04:09this. Finally during this second trial,
1:04:12she is accepting that, oh, he did this.
1:04:15Like the more details that come out
1:04:17throughout these trials, oh, he did
1:04:19this. There's nothing that is for him.
1:04:23You know, there aren't details coming
1:04:25out that are making her question, oh,
1:04:26maybe he didn't do it. It's like
1:04:28everything that comes out is just piling
1:04:30on, piling on, piling on.
1:04:33And she is actually in court for the
1:04:36verdict. And for her, it was a surreal
1:04:38and heartbreaking moment as Emil was
1:04:40finally found guilty. Yeehaw. Yee-haw.
1:04:44But for her, it was heartbreaking
1:04:46because the man she once called the love
1:04:49of her life was officially branded as a
1:04:51criminal who had tried to kill her. Even
1:04:54then, she admitted, quote, she could not
1:04:56see him as a killer. End quote. And she
1:04:59was controlling her emotions for the
1:05:01sake of their kids. She didn't break
1:05:03down. And it would take time for her
1:05:05heart to catch up to her head. She knew
1:05:08that he had done this at this point.
1:05:10Logically, she had accepted that. But
1:05:12like emotionally, she couldn't
1:05:14understand how this happened. And Emil,
1:05:18for his part, he showed no remorse. He
1:05:21lied over and over again throughout
1:05:23these trials, sticking to his
1:05:25far-fetched stories and even took the
1:05:27stand in his own defense to essentially
1:05:29blame everyone but himself. And the
1:05:32judge, who was Mr. Justice Sweeney, was
1:05:35unsparing in his condemnation of Emil.
1:05:39Hell yeah.
1:05:41At the May 2018 sentencing, the judge
1:05:43told Emil, quote, "This was wicked
1:05:46offending of extreme gravity. You
1:05:49planned these attempts to murder your
1:05:51wife in cold blood for your own selfish
1:05:54purposes. That your wife recovered at
1:05:56all was miraculous." End quote. The
1:05:59judge noted the profound physical and
1:06:01psychological harm that Victoria
1:06:03suffered and how Emil had betrayed the
1:06:05tremendous trust that she had placed in
1:06:07him. He called Emil quote a person of
1:06:10quite exceptional callousness end quote.
1:06:13I was like that was that was good. Yeah.
1:06:17She he said that he was a man who would
1:06:19stop at nothing to gratify his own
1:06:21desires. Emil Silier was sentenced to
1:06:24life in prison with a minimum of 18
1:06:27years to serve before any possibility of
1:06:29release. In practical terms, that
1:06:32basically just means that he'll be
1:06:33behind bars until his late 50s, if not
1:06:36longer. And if he ever does get out, he
1:06:39will be closely monitored. In my
1:06:41humblest opinion, I don't think this man
1:06:43should ever see the light of day again.
1:06:44I am just so I just think that the
1:06:48ramifications for attempted murder
1:06:51should be the same as murder. That like
1:06:53just cuz you're bad at it and Yeah. Just
1:06:55cuz you failed and like didn't do it
1:06:58with everything else in his life you
1:06:59failed at murder murdered. If you had
1:07:02committed two murders, you would
1:07:04probably spend life in prison. And I
1:07:06just think he should have gotten life
1:07:07in. That's just me. I agree.
1:07:10Now, he did get life in prison with a
1:07:13minimum of 18 years. So, like he could
1:07:15still spend life in prison, but the
1:07:17first time he'll be up for parole, he'll
1:07:19be in his late 50s. So, I don't know.
1:07:21Something tells me he's not going to
1:07:22learn his lesson, right? I Yeah. I just
1:07:26because all he cares about is himself,
1:07:28you know. Now, detectives later remarked
1:07:30that society was quote a little safer
1:07:32with him locked away end quote,
1:07:34describing Emil as quote a dangerous,
1:07:37cold, callous, selfish man who cares
1:07:40only about money and his sexual
1:07:42conquest. End quote. Again, they forgot
1:07:44loser, but that's the public watched in
1:07:47astonishment as details of Emil's double
1:07:50life made headlines. The sex, the lies,
1:07:52the almost murder sounds like something
1:07:54out of a crime novel. Yet, it was
1:07:56disturbingly real. Victoria knew that
1:07:59there was one more part of this
1:08:01nightmare that she would have to live
1:08:03through before she could finally begin
1:08:05to
1:08:06heal. Telling her daughter why she would
1:08:09no longer be seeing her daddy and too
1:08:12young to truly understand the gravity of
1:08:14her words at the time. April took it
1:08:16quite well, which was a relief to
1:08:19Victoria. But she did explain that like
1:08:22daddy's in jail because daddy tried to
1:08:24hurt mommy and whatever. and and she
1:08:26kind of said like April was like, "Oh,
1:08:28okay." And like went and played and
1:08:30that's how
1:08:32young like these kids aren't they won't
1:08:35remember him. Yeah. They don't
1:08:36understand what's going on. Yeah. Which
1:08:38I don't know if that's in my mind I'd
1:08:40like to think that that's a good thing.
1:08:42I But my heart breaks for these children
1:08:44cuz they don't get to have a father. And
1:08:49yeah, after sentencing, Emil began
1:08:52writing letters to Victoria and calling
1:08:55her from prison, trying to win her back.
1:08:59They don't quit, these guys. They don't
1:09:01quit. You can literally be sentenced to
1:09:04prison for attempting to murder her
1:09:06twice. And they're like, baby after
1:09:09trying to say that she did it to
1:09:11herself. Yes. Say that she did it. Oh my
1:09:15god. Hey, baby. I'm so sorry I did that.
1:09:17laughing. I just messed up a little bit,
1:09:19but I miss you so much. Literally, I And
1:09:21I hate to I'm not laughing at this. I'm
1:09:23laughing at the [ __ ] audacity. The
1:09:26audacity. It never ends. It never ends.
1:09:30Oh my god. He would He told her, quote,
1:09:33"You're all I have left." End quote.
1:09:35Whose fault is that? Oh yeah. Where's
1:09:37Carly and Stephanie, huh, [ __ ] Oh,
1:09:39Carly and Stephanie don't want to sleep
1:09:41with you after you're in prison for
1:09:44attempting to murder me. Oh my god. I
1:09:47what if again just a that's what I'm
1:09:50saying there. He's got something wrong.
1:09:51He's got I feel like he's like a
1:09:54narcissist. I don't know. I'm not a
1:09:55doctor. Don't quote me on that.
1:09:56Someone's going to get mad I said that.
1:09:58But that's what it's giving it's giving
1:10:00narcissistic a little bit. A narcissist
1:10:04all of that. So he starts writing all
1:10:06these letters to Victoria and he's
1:10:08calling her from prison trying to get
1:10:10her back. and his tone was really just
1:10:12it reminded her of the early days of
1:10:15their relationship when he just treated
1:10:18Victoria like this princess and like the
1:10:20world revolved around her. And at first
1:10:23Victoria indulged him because you have
1:10:26to think and indulge him not in like
1:10:28taking him back. Indulge him in as in
1:10:30having conversations with him because
1:10:33these trials went on they ended years
1:10:36after he had done this to her.
1:10:38She had not spoken to him once since the
1:10:41first time the police came to the house
1:10:42and they were like, "We arrested him."
1:10:44She was not allowed to speak to him. So,
1:10:47she had [ __ ] questions. Well, yeah.
1:10:50As anyone would like, hey, why did you
1:10:53[ __ ] try to do that and not just
1:10:54maybe leave instead? I don't know.
1:10:57Right. So, she had questions. So, she
1:10:59did like talk to him for a bit, but
1:11:02after [ __ ] don't miss you. But
1:11:05I do have some questions, though. Yeah.
1:11:07But after a while, she knew that there
1:11:09was like nothing left for her to gain by
1:11:11speaking with him. Like she doesn't
1:11:12really go into detail about this in the
1:11:14book, but about what the conversations
1:11:16were about or what the questions were,
1:11:18but she just was like, "Oh, this is
1:11:20okay." So, I think either he answered
1:11:23some of them or he just wasn't giving
1:11:25honest answers or something to where she
1:11:27was like, "Well, this is point." She's
1:11:28like, "This is just only going to hurt
1:11:29me." So, at that point, she tells Emil
1:11:32to stop contacting her and she finally
1:11:34filed for divorce. And I think I forgot
1:11:37to mention he was dishonorably
1:11:39discharged as well and he was stripped
1:11:41of all military rank. Good. Yeah. Now,
1:11:44in the end, there are really no winners
1:11:47in the story. Emil's six children have
1:11:50to grow up knowing that their father is
1:11:52a convicted attempted murderer, and two
1:11:54of them will eventually have to
1:11:56understand that their dad was willing to
1:11:58risk their lives in order to kill their
1:12:01mother. Victoria herself had to grapple
1:12:04with the shattering realization that her
1:12:06husband, the man she once adored,
1:12:09consciously plotted to kill her. She
1:12:12spent years recovering physically and
1:12:14mentally. And she says that trust does
1:12:16not come easy after such a shocking
1:12:18betrayal. And I wouldn't think it would.
1:12:22I mean, I can't even I can't I genuinely
1:12:25can't
1:12:26imagine. But if there is one theme in
1:12:29this story, I think, and this is my
1:12:32opinion, I think it's forced resilience.
1:12:35And while Victoria is amazing and
1:12:38everyone is special in their own right,
1:12:41and I don't mean to be like cheesy about
1:12:43it, there's nothing inherently special
1:12:46about Victoria besides like her
1:12:49uniqueness as a per, but there's nothing
1:12:52that inherently makes her stronger than
1:12:54the average person before all of this
1:12:57happened to her. Me and Emily were
1:12:59joking earlier, oh, we wouldn't have
1:13:01recovered as quickly. And maybe that's
1:13:02true, whatever. But the point was is
1:13:05that Victoria had no [ __ ] choice but
1:13:09to find the strength to reclaim her
1:13:11life. She had no other choice. She had
1:13:14to become resilient. And I think that's
1:13:16something that's important to remind
1:13:18people of because if you're in a
1:13:19situation and hopefully not anything
1:13:22even close to this type of situation.
1:13:24But if you're in this situation where
1:13:26you feel like you don't know how you can
1:13:28possibly get through it and you're not
1:13:31strong enough or whatever, the point is
1:13:32is that when you are forced and you have
1:13:36no other
1:13:38option, you will find a way. You will
1:13:41find resilience. You will find strength
1:13:43that you maybe didn't have before, but
1:13:46you will create it. And it takes time,
1:13:49but it's forced resilience. It's not
1:13:52something that you just already had. And
1:13:54so we look at Allison Botha and we look
1:13:57at Victoria Silier. We look at some of
1:14:00these families of victims and we say,
1:14:03"We can't even imagine how could you
1:14:05ever get through it." And it's they have
1:14:06no other choice because these people are
1:14:08amazing. They are amazing. They are
1:14:10strong. They are resilient way more than
1:14:13like me and Emily are sitting here. But
1:14:16I also want to convey the message that
1:14:18there's nothing different from them.
1:14:21There's a lot of things different, but
1:14:22you know what I mean. If you are put in
1:14:25one of these situations,
1:14:27you can do it, too. And it's not easy.
1:14:30It's not fun. It's not whatever. But I
1:14:34just I don't want people to think like,
1:14:35"Oh, I wish I could be that strong." Or,
1:14:38"Oh, I could never do that." Because
1:14:40when you find yourself in that type of
1:14:42situation, well, I think that's just
1:14:43like human instinct, too. It's the
1:14:45natural will to survive. You know what
1:14:47I'm saying? Right. Exactly. And yeah, I
1:14:49don't know. I don't know if that made
1:14:50any sense, but those are my thoughts.
1:14:52And sorry, I was No, I was picking up
1:14:55what you were putting down. Okay. Okay.
1:14:56I'm like I feel like I'm blabbing, but
1:14:58like my point is I just want people to
1:15:00understand
1:15:01that you're stronger than you think. And
1:15:04if you have to, let's say this
1:15:07relationship is ringing a lot of bells
1:15:09for you and if you're feeling like, "Oh,
1:15:11I wish I was stronger so I could leave."
1:15:12Like, you can you you'll get to a point
1:15:15where you will be forced to find the
1:15:17strength. And I'm I'm sorry that you
1:15:20have that you will get there because
1:15:22that's that sucks. But if you get the
1:15:26resources and get some help to get out
1:15:29of this relationship safely, you
1:15:30absolutely can. Now, Victoria's
1:15:33reclaiming of her life was marked by a
1:15:36fitting leap of faith as she once again
1:15:39leaped from a plane in a tandem jump to
1:15:42raise money for the emergency response
1:15:45organization that had saved her life
1:15:46after her fall 3 years ago. That is one
1:15:49bad ass [ __ ] right there. If that
1:15:52happened to me, you couldn't catch me 20
1:15:55[ __ ] miles from any kind of
1:15:58skydiving. First of all, you couldn't
1:16:00catch me today. Yeah, that's skydiving.
1:16:04So, yeah, she literally skydives again.
1:16:08I can't that when I read that, that sent
1:16:11me. I was like, what? Because she talked
1:16:14about she had all this PTSD and
1:16:17nightmares about the fall and stuff. And
1:16:19you know what? She said, "My
1:16:21psychiatrist isn't helping, so I'm going
1:16:23to figure out my own way to go through
1:16:24this shit." And that would have been me.
1:16:25I'd be falling through the sky and I
1:16:27would be like, "Fuck you."
1:16:30That would be me. But yeah, she's
1:16:33amazing. And she didn't just do it for
1:16:35fun. She did it raising money for the
1:16:38emergency response organization. The
1:16:40what do they call it in the US? The
1:16:42helicopter ambulance. Oh, life.
1:16:45Lifelight. I don't I It's probably not
1:16:47the same in the UK, but So, this is 3
1:16:51years later. She's restless the night
1:16:53before the jump, but she kept reminding
1:16:55herself that her friend that she was
1:16:57doing the jump with, Nick, she's like,
1:16:59he's going to take good care of me
1:17:01because she's doing a tandem thing, so
1:17:02she's not going to have to pull the
1:17:03parachute and all of that. Thank [ __ ]
1:17:05God is what I would be thinking. I'm
1:17:08like, I'm not touching that. You
1:17:11quadruple check that those [ __ ] sling
1:17:13ties are in there before we go anywhere.
1:17:15Now, her dad and her children watched as
1:17:18Victoria and Nick safely floated to the
1:17:21ground that day. And with that had to
1:17:23have been so [ __ ] emotional, dude. My
1:17:25god, I can't even imag It gives me
1:17:28goosebumps literally just thinking about
1:17:30it. And with this jump, she raised
1:17:32£5,000 in donations. Now, she returned
1:17:36to skydiving not just as a hobby, but as
1:17:39a form of empowerment, refusing to let
1:17:42Emil's actions steal her passion. [ __ ]
1:17:45yeah. In time, she even found love
1:17:47again. Hell yeah, sister. She met a man
1:17:50through the parachuting community. Hell
1:17:52yeah. Someone who by fate had been there
1:17:55the day that her parachute was sabotaged
1:17:57and she fell. Shut the [ __ ] up. And she
1:18:00didn't know him before. And then like
1:18:02she goes back to parachuting and then he
1:18:05was there. Yeah. I was there that day.
1:18:08Yeah. Isn't that [ __ ] crazy? That's
1:18:11kind of cool though cuz then he you're
1:18:13like well you were kind of like you went
1:18:14through this with me you know a little
1:18:15bit. That's what she says like she says
1:18:18that he kind of understood her trauma
1:18:20without needing explanation because like
1:18:22he even though obviously he hadn't
1:18:25experienced it in the same way that's
1:18:27traumatic to watch. Oh yeah. I don't
1:18:29know that he was like actually watching
1:18:30but he was there that day. I I don't
1:18:32know exactly where he was but with him
1:18:35Victoria has been able to start this new
1:18:37chapter of her life. one that is
1:18:40grounded in love and honesty and respect
1:18:43and dignity. You know, I saw this thing
1:18:46on Facebook today that said, "Keep
1:18:48giving out love cuz it'll come back to
1:18:50you in this time, a different lifetime.
1:18:52It'll come back to you in different
1:18:54ways." And I feel like that's happening
1:18:55to her
1:18:57100%. Now, Victoria will be the first to
1:19:01say that she is lucky to be alive. It's
1:19:04a miracle that she survived a 4,000 ft
1:19:07fall and lived to see justice served.
1:19:10Her story is a harrowing tale of
1:19:12coercive control and calculated violence
1:19:15of a woman who didn't realize the danger
1:19:17lurking in her own home until it nearly
1:19:20killed her. It leaves us with some
1:19:22unsettling questions about how well we
1:19:25truly know those closest to us. But it's
1:19:28also a story, like I said, of
1:19:30resilience. Victoria endured the
1:19:32unthinkable and came out the other side
1:19:35scarred, yes, but not broken. Victoria,
1:19:38like I said, wrote a book about her
1:19:40experiences and it is titled I survived.
1:19:43I married a charming man and then he
1:19:45tried to kill me. Guys, when I That's a
1:19:49mic drop of a title right there. When I
1:19:51[ __ ] and I feel this way. I said this
1:19:53about Alison Botha's book
1:19:55and I've been listening to True Crime
1:19:58podcast for years and every time they're
1:20:00like, "Oh, we read this book. You have
1:20:01to read it." And I'm like, "Ah, what?"
1:20:04You have to read these books. And by the
1:20:07way, this one you can listen to as an
1:20:10audio book. Allison Bothas, I believe
1:20:12you can listen to as an audio book.
1:20:14There's another case I'm covering coming
1:20:17up that you can listen to as you have to
1:20:20read these books. This book had me
1:20:23sobbing and I listened to the audiobook.
1:20:25You if you are listening to this podcast
1:20:27on Spotify, you can listen to the
1:20:30audiobook on Spotify for free. If you
1:20:32like our deep dives, this is the deepest
1:20:34dive into this case. It's like 10 hours
1:20:36of this case. I binged it. I literally
1:20:40spent days listening to it. Everything I
1:20:42was doing, I had a headphone in and I
1:20:43was listening. And I know I went into a
1:20:47lot of detail, probably I think more
1:20:49detail than other podcasts do about the
1:20:51little things of the relationship, but
1:20:53there is so much in this book about the
1:20:56relationship and everything that is just
1:21:00I couldn't even get into like we would
1:21:02have been here for 10 hours too. And
1:21:04hearing it from her own words and how
1:21:07she feels about it point of view is like
1:21:09and her writing style and everything.
1:21:11This book [ __ ] shook me. It shook me.
1:21:16And like I said, you can listen for free
1:21:18on Spotify. If you have Audible, you can
1:21:21listen on Audible. If you want to get a
1:21:22free trial of Audible, we have a code. I
1:21:25think it's Yeah, we do. I think it's
1:21:27just
1:21:30audibletrial.com/attrialby. I'm not a
1:21:32thousand% sure on that, but it's in our
1:21:33link tree. But I found it so inspiring
1:21:36and I just highly recommend it. And I
1:21:38just want to stress that. Now, with that
1:21:40being said, because it's her story, I
1:21:42don't want to tell her whole story. I
1:21:43want to tell an overview of the story,
1:21:46but I did want to share like one quote
1:21:49from this book because it just really
1:21:51shook me to my core. I think this is
1:21:53from
1:21:54the what do they call it after the last
1:21:56chapter. There's like a I don't know
1:21:59author's note or something. Oh, I don't
1:22:01know. But oh yeah, a letter from the
1:22:04author. I don't know. But after telling
1:22:06the whole story, she writes, quote, I
1:22:08hope that by sharing my story, I have
1:22:10helped you better understand my life. It
1:22:13took me a long time to accept that what
1:22:14Emil was doing was abuse. I never
1:22:17considered myself someone who could fall
1:22:19for a man like the one that Emil turned
1:22:21out to be. Sometimes it's not as obvious
1:22:24as a black eye or a split lip as the
1:22:27stereotypes would have you believe. Emil
1:22:29was smarter than that. Over the years,
1:22:32he worked to place more and more subtle
1:22:34control over my life until I was
1:22:36completely trapped, and I didn't even
1:22:39know it. Thousands of women across
1:22:42Britain suffer under coercive and
1:22:44manipulative behavior just like Emil's
1:22:46everyday. And I want to stand as living
1:22:49proof that justice can be won. There was
1:22:52a time when I thought I would never
1:22:54escape the shadow that Emil had cast
1:22:56over our family. But now I know that
1:22:59there is life after abuse, and the life
1:23:02I'm leading today is one full of hope
1:23:05and excitement for the future." End
1:23:09quote. Do you have goosebumps? Cuz I
1:23:11have goosebumps. Yes, I do.
1:23:13I just look I felt like she just summed
1:23:17that up and that whole author's note I
1:23:20can't remember what they called it in
1:23:21the book but that whole like little end
1:23:24chapter about the book itself she just
1:23:27sums it up so beautifully. I feel like
1:23:28that paragraph really stuck out to me
1:23:31and I feel like it just serves as a
1:23:33reminder that if you have gone through,
1:23:36are going through or will go through in
1:23:38the future an abusive
1:23:41relationship. It's a reminder that with
1:23:43time, you can find a life full of hope
1:23:46and excitement just like Victoria did
1:23:48because she says, I'm going to repeat
1:23:51this from her quote.
1:23:53There was a time when I thought I would
1:23:54never escape the shadow that Emil had
1:23:57cast over our family. But now I know
1:23:59that there is life after abuse. And the
1:24:01life I'm leading today is one full of
1:24:04hope and excitement for the future. And
1:24:06this is after the man tried to murder
1:24:08her twice, almost killed her children
1:24:10with a gas leak, all of this cheating
1:24:12and whatever. So, if you are in a
1:24:14situation where you have children and
1:24:16you have debt and you're stuck in this
1:24:18marriage and whatever, maybe it's not
1:24:21abusive to this extent, but he's
1:24:22cheating or something and you feel like
1:24:25there's no way
1:24:27out. I say again, get the resources. Go
1:24:30to
1:24:32spotify.com/resources. You can find
1:24:34resources so you can do it safely.
1:24:37But Victoria's life is now full of hope
1:24:40and excitement and yours can be too.
1:24:43That's the message I want to convey with
1:24:45this story is
1:24:46that Victoria was a special person. But
1:24:49there was nothing inherently in her that
1:24:52made her able to deal with this
1:24:54situation more than you can. Yeah. Like
1:24:56she didn't get dropped into a vat of
1:24:58[ __ ] toxic
1:24:59waste superhero, you know? Exactly.
1:25:02Exactly. She didn't just walk through
1:25:03this easy peasy and no one can. But my
1:25:06point is is that like you can get
1:25:08through whatever you're dealing with
1:25:10even if it has nothing to do with a bad
1:25:12relationship or and you're just
1:25:13struggling with something in life. But
1:25:15like that's the message I took from her
1:25:18story. And so that's the message I
1:25:20wanted to try and convey. So like I
1:25:23said, if this story or the description
1:25:25of Victoria and Emil's relationship hits
1:25:27close to home for you, I would like you
1:25:30to take this as your sign that it is
1:25:31time to get out of that relationship.
1:25:33But you do need to talk to people and
1:25:35get support so you can do that
1:25:37safely. We are not experts on how to do
1:25:40that. So we ask that you visit
1:25:44resources.byspotify.com. I think if you
1:25:45go to
1:25:47spotify.com/resources, it takes you to
1:25:48the same page. But find a professional
1:25:51resource to help guide you through
1:25:54whatever it is that you need to do.
1:25:57But protect yourself. Mhm. And that is
1:26:01the story of
1:26:04Victoria Silier just being an absolute
1:26:08[ __ ] badass. Yeah, that's crazy.
1:26:15Okay. Okay. Bye. Bye. Damn, that was
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