📺En Crudo: César Luis Menotti. Parte 6 — Transcript

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1. 0:05I scored four against Chacarita, two
2. 0:08against Newell's, two against Platense.
3. 0:10And were you called up then? No,
4. 0:12no, no, no. That's where the pressure
5. 0:15comes in from the people, the press,
6. 0:18and other sectors. Uh, well, and he has
7. 0:25to call me up. Which sector?
8. 0:29They were with the government in power.
9. 0:31Ah, what was said about the cost
10. 0:34and all that.
11. 0:35Yes.
12. 0:35Do you believe that's true?
13. 0:37Yes. He, uh, he was grabbed by a uh one
14. 0:41of the heavy hitters at the time, and
15. 0:47they met in a bar and well, the the
16. 0:54next day, I mean, the match before the
17. 0:56game with Newell's, he calls me.
18. 1:00I feel sorry for him, I feel sorry. I
19. 1:02have it because I don't think he's well
20. 1:04, he's not well. He says, he talks
21. 1:05nonsense, you can't hold that against
22. 1:07him either. If I've been managing since
23. 1:11the year 70, I've managed, I don't know
24. 1:13, if you start thinking about the
25. 1:15number of players I've managed, I've
26. 1:16been through Europe, and if there's one
27. 1:18thing I have, it's that 99%of the
28. 1:20players respect and love me. The 1%is
29. 1:24this one, though. Uh, there was wear
30. 1:33and tear, and also we weren't lucky
31. 1:34either. Add that to the mix, and
32. 1:38Valdano gets injured, uh, the bald guy
33. 1:43was very young, we lose a game against
34. 1:45Belgium that would have sent us to the
35. 1:48other bracket, and we get Italy with a,
36. 1:50with a terrible referee. It's, it's a
37. 1:53complicit referee, terrible. They
38. 1:56killed Maradona with kicks. He couldn't
39. 1:58do it, but they kicked him to death,
40. 2:00something the Argentine press never
41. 2:02said. One day I go to Germany and it's
42. 2:06recorded, there's a show on the Z,
43. 2:07what's it called? German television.
44. 2:09ZD.
45. 2:10Ah, ZDF. Yes,
46. 2:11where John lives in Wiesbaden is the,
47. 2:14well, they took me in a helicopter,
48. 2:16plane, helicopter to, and you know what
49. 2:19they showed me? It was a wonderful
50. 2:22program. They showed what had to be
51. 2:24done and how important the reports were
52. 2:27, because later Italy plays against
53. 2:30Brazil and they don't give him a single
54. 2:33kick like that,
55. 2:35I mean, a revolution with that program
56. 2:38because the Germans showed all the
57. 2:39kicks they gave him and all the fouls
58. 2:40they committed against Maradona.
59. 2:42There's a play where both hit him, one
60. 2:44hits him, knocks him down, I think it's
61. 2:47Tardelli, and the other one, when he
62. 2:49falls, Gentile kicks him on the ground.
63. 2:52It was terrible, terrible. And well,
64. 2:55and then we had Brazil, which
65. 2:58we also played well. I have the matches
66. 3:00recorded and when it ended I said that
67. 3:03we played the way we play. This doesn't
68. 3:06mean that we're going to win all the
69. 3:08time, but Argentina played well, a lot
70. 3:10of players from that national team
71. 3:12increased in value and many went to
72. 3:14Europe, many, almost all of them, I'd
73. 3:16say, the ones who weren't there. And we
74. 3:20also had an issue that was kind of
75. 3:25Cantilo wasn't there anymore, he was I
76. 3:29don't know, there was a lot of a lot of
77. 3:34media influence. I got into a fight
78. 3:37with El Gráfico there because I kicked
79. 3:38them out for wanting to come in to
80. 3:40celebrate, and I told them no. So they
81. 3:42left the cake and Vigil and [the media]
82. 3:44and that's when they started attacking
83. 3:46me too, but there wasn't the same
84. 3:51patient atmosphere. There was this
85. 3:54subject where people talked about the
86. 3:55Malvinas all day long and the
87. 3:56journalists wanted to know millions of
88. 3:58things. I think [it played a] huge part
89. 4:04in the nervousness and the state of
90. 4:06mind, because there was, for example,
91. 4:08Ardiles, I think he had a cousin, eh,
92. 4:10in the nervousness that was inside the
93. 4:13training camp; because on one hand, eh,
94. 4:19the accusations of betrayal and all
95. 4:21that, because the English would put out
96. 4:24things that, you see, it was like they
97. 4:26were calling some of us cowards and the
98. 4:29others were saying they were dying of
99. 4:32cold, and on the other hand, here we
100. 4:34were receiving the information the
101. 4:36press was getting, as if everything was
102. 4:39phenomenal and we were all, and it was
103. 4:42annoying, it was annoying, I'm not
104. 4:44saying it was the reason, but the
105. 4:47atmosphere was very bothersome, right?
106. 4:50because we played, we lost because we
107. 4:53lost the Malvinas, but there was an
108. 4:55atmosphere that wasn't the same climate
109. 4:57of focus, the same climate where we
110. 5:00played a World Cup, and and it was very
111. 5:02hard to keep us in there and keep us
112. 5:04more isolated. We were world champions
113. 5:07and we had the whole press on top of us
114. 5:09. Yes, I think we had some lack of
115. 5:13focus, but when we went onto the field,
116. 5:17what is it? We played what we could and
117. 5:19we were beaten by teams where one was
118. 5:21the champion and the other was Brazil.
119. 5:23And I, through my journalist friends,
120. 5:31among them Santiago, all the Spanish
121. 5:33journalists that one became friends
122. 5:35with after so much time, I mean,
123. 5:38they brought the dispatches, we found
124. 5:39out because they brought, they brought
125. 5:41the information, the foreign
126. 5:42journalists, right? Not ours, ours were
127. 5:45, yes, they knew, but we had different
128. 5:47information. Well, you were there, so
129. 5:49yes
130. 5:51and it was it was hard because of how
131. 5:55it was presented, you know? The English
132. 5:57made a a promotion with Thatcher as if
133. 6:02it were, I don't know, and we were just
134. 6:05poor guys, it was hard, it was ugly.
135. 6:09There was a lot of confront a lot of
136. 6:11arguing between players and journalists
137. 6:13. It was tough, it was tough. Yile had
138. 6:17to leave, he couldn't go back to London
139. 6:19, he had to go to France, play for a
140. 6:21year,
141. 6:26right? And if and when we played the
142. 6:29the little World Cup, the concentration
143. 6:32camps were right next to the stadium, I
144. 6:34don't know, Argentina was there, and
145. 6:36when I went with Huracán in '73, they
146. 6:39had died, Allende had fallen.
147. 6:42Yes. I went through so much. They
148. 6:46cleared out the stadium and they told
149. 6:47me, my friends would come and tell me,
150. 6:48"You're going to play where they were."
151. 6:50What do you want me to do? What do you
152. 6:55want me to say? Huracán plays against
153. 6:58Colo Colo. Colo Colo is the one that
154. 7:00has to provide the home field. I can't
155. 7:02say we're not playing here. They had
156. 7:07removed them, I don't know where they
157. 7:08took them, and they put in a new pitch
158. 7:10and everything was perfect and all lit
159. 7:11up. I didn't know the scale of the
160. 7:14prisoners either, but I knew they used
161. 7:16it, they had used it because my Chilean
162. 7:18journalist friends told me about it.
163. 7:25No, no, no, we didn't even know. I knew
164. 7:29, to me, I repeat, no, no, they won't,
165. 7:31I won't, I knew about the because I was
166. 7:34born when they killed Galinela with the
167. 7:37electric cattle prod. I'm familiar with
168. 7:40the Triple A. No other political party
169. 7:42had as many union and labor leaders
170. 7:44killed as the Communist Party. And the
171. 7:48Triple A slaughtered the the because
172. 7:50since the Peronist era they called us
173. 7:51the lefties and the lefties and the
174. 7:53lefties, right? And the struggle was
175. 7:56fierce, wasn't it? No, so no, I can't
176. 7:59play dumb, I knew they were imprisoning
177. 8:01them and that they were going to
178. 8:02torture them, of course I did. How
179. 8:05could I not? And the Triple A had
180. 8:06already done it, and they had done it
181. 8:08during Perón's time and they had done
182. 8:10it. This country lived lived through a
183. 8:12very very great political infamy, but
184. 8:15on the other hand, it was also being
185. 8:17built, I don't know. to say this word
186. 8:21now, but there was a struggle of
187. 8:23sectors of sectors that wanted a
188. 8:24different world, regardless of the fact
189. 8:26that we didn't think alike, but we
190. 8:28wanted a different world. Like that.
191. 8:31Now, what I never believed or even
192. 8:34suspected was this madness, the thing
193. 8:38about the kids, about the pregnant
194. 8:41women. I thought yes, that every lefty
195. 8:45and militant and every guy supposedly
196. 8:47on the left was going to be tortured
197. 8:50and disappeared. I had no doubt about
198. 8:53that. But what there is never more of,
199. 8:57because it had already happened with
200. 8:59Lonardi, less so, but also with
201. 9:01Aramburu and Rojas, remember the union
202. 9:03leaders they ate—I knew that, but I
203. 9:06never imagined this, this thing, this
204. 9:08torture, this madness of the planes.
205. 9:11When I started to see all of this,
206. 9:13saying, "Ah, damn, where did this go?
207. 9:17Where did it reach? What are they
208. 9:18capable of doing?" And then you start
209. 9:21to think and you have no reason to be
210. 9:23surprised, because if you review
211. 9:24history, they have done the same and
212. 9:26worse, right? They have unleashed wars,
213. 9:30they have unleashed wars of the infamy
214. 9:32of this miserable, savage capitalism
215. 9:35that, when it sees its power wavering,
216. 9:37resorts to anything, even waging wars,
217. 9:41unheard of, infamous wars. No, I don't
218. 9:49think so. That—that is not knowing
219. 9:51politics.
220. 9:54This idea that if I become world
221. 9:55champion, or if we won 25 medals now,
222. 9:57people will vote for Cristina—who are
223. 9:59we kidding? People don't eat glass,
224. 10:01though they do get stuck with other
225. 10:03worse problems. But no, I don't believe
226. 10:06this. I don't believe that soccer
227. 10:08sustains anyone, eh? Because besides
228. 10:11soccer, we also had world champion
229. 10:13Monzón, Vila who was crushing it in
230. 10:15tennis, and nothing, nothing. The only
231. 10:18way they could sustain themselves was
232. 10:20by criminalizing politics, from the
233. 10:24most infamous murders to the most—and
234. 10:29also, and also with a rather
235. 10:34questionable combative representation,
236. 10:37that is, quite. Che Guevara wasn't here
237. 10:44, nor was Fidel, and there was
238. 10:45something else inside here too. I mean,
239. 10:49ultimately it all ends up being fights
240. 10:51where instead of representing the
241. 10:53people, they represent economic powers.
242. 10:56And here, political parties are like:
243. 10:58if these guys have 10 businessmen, the
244. 11:00other businessmen want to kill them so
245. 11:02that the others come in representing
246. 11:04the other 50 businessmen. This is
247. 11:06Argentine politics. Are we going to
248. 11:09talk about socialism in Argentina? A
249. 11:14demented thing, right? The way those
250. 11:18kids played, well, it was like having
251. 11:21Messi, you know; first of all, the idea
252. 11:24was very clear. I was already a world
253. 11:26champion coach, and that has an
254. 11:28enormous influence on the kids. It has
255. 11:31an influence, it's not like just anyone
256. 11:34shows up whom they don't know, and
257. 11:37besides, none of them were famous.
258. 11:39Taking Diego aside, the others didn't
259. 11:41play. Simón had played some games, but
260. 11:44Rossi—nobody knew him, honestly.
261. 11:48Calderón had been loaned out to who
262. 11:50knows where, he was very good and
263. 11:52played very well, and we worked a lot,
264. 11:55especially Duchini and I, scouting; he
265. 11:57brought me like 400 players to choose
266. 11:59from. We left out Hoyo, we left out
267. 12:02some players. Imagine my guilty
268. 12:06conscience when I left out Hoyo, that I
269. 12:08wanted to take him and I paid for his
270. 12:10ticket myself, but I say it with...The
271. 12:15AFA couldn't pay for a ticket, you know
272. 12:18? So everyone takes what they can, he
273. 12:21only paid for my hotel stay, I couldn't
274. 12:22leave him out. It was impossible to
275. 12:26watch those kids, because I had the
276. 12:27Tucuman kid, Mesa, who ended up playing
277. 12:29, and he played very well. And the kid
278. 12:33Rossi, who was a star. He says, "No, I
279. 12:40can't tell you something.""And we're
280. 12:43not playing much one-on-one.""And
281. 12:45that's why I brought you," I told him,
282. 12:50"If not, I would've brought some donkey
283. 12:52and put 10 guys up front, he never
284. 12:53plays one-on-one." That's what I
285. 12:55brought you for. Because you can play
286. 12:56one-on-one. He always remembers a
287. 12:58character as well.
288. 12:59Ah, but did you hear Rossi? Right?
289. 13:03He was just a kid. And he came from
290. 13:06Santa Fe where nobody knew him at all.
291. 13:08They didn't even believe him. They
292. 13:10thought the telegram was a mistake. I
293. 13:14don't remember which young player was
294. 13:15in the first division. No, he made a
295. 13:16mistake. Look, I'm telling you. For me,
296. 13:18he made a mistake. The guy from the
297. 13:20club was telling that to Rossi. Yes, I
298. 13:24say the same, if he saw me play two or
299. 13:26three times, how is he going to take me
300. 13:28? They called and he showed up, he
301. 13:32wasn't called up, but he had to come.
302. 13:43Yes, no, no, the projection of kids on
303. 13:45the team, then you see the national
304. 13:47team loses the older players. Well, but
305. 13:50there were many kids, many, so many.
306. 13:54That also has an influence. What I'm
307. 13:56saying is, the fact that you win...
308. 14:00gives power to the training of other
309. 14:03coaches and the narrative is better
310. 14:05backed, because otherwise the young
311. 14:08coach says everyone is against them. If
312. 14:11I say what Menotti says, I'll never
313. 14:12work again. There are times I hear him
314. 14:16speak, but truly I tell you that I
315. 14:17didn't save their lives, they saved
316. 14:18them themselves because they play well,
317. 14:20but they were being thrown to the
318. 14:21crocodiles. They didn't exist, they
319. 14:24didn't exist. For example, when I go to
320. 14:26Boca, I play with Acuña. When I go to
321. 14:28Independiente, Acuña wasn't playing,
322. 14:30he stopped playing at Boca. Then they
323. 14:31traded him for Caña and I come here
324. 14:33and for me Acuña was a phenomenon,
325. 14:35right? I was a flyer, I mean, many
326. 14:37things happen to you that must happen
327. 14:39to other coaches, but then you hear
328. 14:41them speak and they are very afraid. I
329. 14:44had a tough press, very tough, the
330. 14:46worst and the most powerful against me,
331. 14:51because oh, they really have power, you
332. 14:53know? They had it and they got it back,
333. 14:56and what power, they control everything
334. 14:59. So, the greatest joy I have is that I
335. 15:04never gave in to them, never, never,
336. 15:07ever; they could never take me to any
337. 15:11ground other than the one I chose. M.