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0:00There was one person in this entire case
0:02who moved faster than Chris Watts
0:04expected. Not a detective, not a federal
0:07agent, not a forensic analyst with a
0:09laboratory full of equipment. His
0:12neighbor. A man who lived close enough
0:14to hear things. Close enough to have a
0:16security camera pointed at the right
0:18angle. Close enough to notice, on the
0:20morning of August 13th, 2018, that
0:23something about the truck backed into
0:24that driveway was not right. And that
0:27one man, that one security camera, is a
0:30significant reason this case broke open
0:32in hours rather than days. Today, you
0:34are going to hear from him directly. But
0:36before we press play on this interview,
0:39I need to give you specific details to
0:41listen for as this recording plays.
0:43Because this interview contains moments
0:45that most people who have watched it
0:47have missed completely. Stay with me for
0:49the next 60 seconds, because what you
0:51are about to hear lands completely
0:53differently once you know what to look
0:55for. Before a single second of this
0:57interview plays, we stop. Because this
1:00case is not about Chris Watts. It is not
1:02about his neighbor. It is not about
1:04forensic psychiatrists or crime panels
1:06or television studios. It is about four
1:09people who deserve to come home on
1:11August 13th, 2018. Shanann Watts was 34
1:14years old, 15 weeks pregnant. She had a
1:17prenatal appointment scheduled for that
1:19very morning to find out the gender of
1:21the son she planned to name Nico. She
1:23never made it. Bella was 4 years old. It
1:26was supposed to be her first day of
1:27school. Celeste was 3, full of life in
1:30every photograph she ever appears in.
1:32And Nico never drew a single breath
1:34outside his mother. Dear God, we lift up
1:37Shanann, Bella, Celeste, and Nico today.
1:41Four lives taken before they were
1:42finished. A mother who loved completely,
1:45two little girls who deserved decades
1:47more, and a son who never had the chance
1:49to be anything at all. We ask that you
1:52hold them close in a place where there
1:54is no more pain, no more fear, only
1:57peace and light and all the love they
1:59always deserved. We pray for their
2:01families, for Frank and Sandra, for
2:03Cindy and Ronnie, for every person still
2:06carrying the weight of August 13th every
2:08single morning they wake up. May
2:10Shannan, Bella, Celeste, and Nico never
2:13be forgotten. May their names outlast
2:16every headline.
2:17Amen. Say their names in the comments
2:20right now. Tell me where you are
2:22watching from. This community is larger
2:24than you realize and every person here
2:26is part of making sure these four are
2:28never forgotten. Now, let us go into the
2:31interview.
2:33At first I couldn't believe that
2:36they're missing.
2:37If they were, I couldn't really I didn't
2:39know at the time if they were missing or
2:40not.
2:41So basically what I did was went to my
2:43security camera footage, checked it out,
2:46went back to the police,
2:48and told them basically what I had and
2:50they eventually wanted to come in and
2:52look at it.
2:54Chris Watts convicted of murdering his
2:56pregnant wife and two daughters. How
2:58well do you know your spouse? Time
3:00exclusive with his neighbor who handed
3:02over the video Watch, I'll show you.
3:04that led to his [music] arrest.
3:06>> Heard. A pregnant mother, Shannan Watts,
3:09and her two daughters, Cece and Bella,
3:11killed at the hands of her husband,
3:14their father, Chris Watts. Today, an
3:17exclusive interview with a neighbor
3:18close to the family who's now being
3:20called a hero for helping police put
3:23Chris Watts behind bars. What made a man
3:26most people thought was a loving husband
3:28and dad turn into a killer?
3:32The story shocked the world. A
3:34devastated father pleading for the
3:36return of his pregnant wife and their
3:38two small daughters who'd vanished after
3:41his wife returned from [music] a weekend
3:43business trip.
3:47If you're out there, [music] just come
3:49back. If somebody has her, just please
3:51bring her back. I need to see everybody.
3:55I need to see everybody again.
3:58To the outside world and on social
3:59[music] media, Chris and Shanann Watts
4:02appeared a picture-perfect couple,
4:04>> [music]
4:04>> shown smiling together with their two
4:06young girls and happily anticipating the
4:08birth [music] of their third.
4:10But just hours after his impassioned
4:12plea for their return, crude oil and gas
4:15tanks.
4:17The police investigation would also
4:19uncover her a secret sordid [music] flip
4:21side to the family man facade that
4:24included multiple mistresses, financial
4:26turmoil, and possible [music]
4:28psychopathy.
4:30Chris Watts ultimately pleaded guilty to
4:32felony charges related to his family's
4:35murder. The most
4:37inhumane
4:39and vicious crime that I have handled
4:42out of the thousands of cases that I
4:44have seen.
4:45Watts was sentenced to life in prison,
4:48leaving Shanann's devastated friends and
4:50family with many [music] unanswered
4:52questions.
4:53What really turned Chris Watts from a
4:55seemingly [music] devoted husband and
4:57father
4:59into a cruel, cold-blooded killer?
5:04Pause right there, because I need you to
5:06sit with what you just heard before we
5:08go any further into this panel
5:10discussion. The neighbor said something
5:12that this community needs to hear stated
5:14plainly. He said Chris Watts was not
5:16watching the footage. His family had
5:18been missing for hours. He had stood on
5:20that front lawn and begged the camera
5:22crew to help him find them. He had
5:24performed grief for an entire news
5:26cycle. And when security footage that
5:28could theoretically show him something,
5:31anything, about where his family went
5:33appeared on a screen directly in front
5:35of him, he looked at his phone instead.
5:37Work through this with me. If your
5:39family was genuinely missing, if you had
5:41no idea what had happened to the people
5:43you claim to love most, and someone
5:45showed you footage from the morning they
5:46disappeared, what would you do? You
5:48would be on that screen. You would be
5:50leaning forward. You would be asking
5:52them to rewind it, to slow it down, to
5:55zoom in. You would be desperate for any
5:57frame that told you something. Chris
5:59Watts looked at his phone. The neighbor
6:01caught that, without training, without a
6:04forensic background, without anything
6:06except the instinct of someone paying
6:08attention while everyone else was
6:10performing shock. And here is what I
6:12want you to hold as we go back into this
6:14panel discussion. The forensic
6:16psychiatrist on this panel is going to
6:18talk about compartmentalization,
6:21about psychopathy, about what kind of
6:23mind is capable of doing what Chris
6:25Watts did, and then standing on a lawn
6:27and asking for help, finding the people
6:29he had already driven to an oil field.
6:31Those are important frameworks. They are
6:33worth hearing, but I want you to hold
6:35them against what the neighbor just told
6:37you. Because sometimes the most
6:38important analysis in a case does not
6:41come from a laboratory or a psychiatric
6:43evaluation. Sometimes it comes from the
6:45person next door who noticed that a man
6:47whose family was missing could not look
6:49at the footage. And then there is what
6:51this panel is about to discuss, the
6:53detail about Bella, about what the
6:55medical examiner found, about what it
6:58means forensically that a 4-year-old
7:00girl fought back against her own father.
7:02I want to prepare you for that before it
7:04comes, because that detail, the
7:06frenulum, the torn tissue, what it tells
7:08us about Bella's final moments, is the
7:11hardest thing in this entire case to sit
7:12with. And it deserves to be heard with
7:15the full weight it carries. Not as a
7:17shocking fact, not as a headline, as the
7:20documented truth of who Bella Watts was
7:22in her final moments. A 4-year-old girl
7:25who fought, who refused to go quietly,
7:28who held onto life with everything she
7:30had. That is not just forensic evidence.
7:33That is character. That is who Bella
7:35was. And this panel is going to discuss
7:37it in clinical terms, because that is
7:40what the format requires. But I need you
7:42to hear it as something more than
7:43clinical. I need you to hear it as the
7:45story of a little girl who deserved her
7:48first day of school. Okay, let us go
7:51back into the interview. Nate Choice me
7:53now. He lives next door to the Watts
7:55family. He provided security footage
7:57that was instrumental the piece of
7:59evidence in the case. He joins me now in
8:01a daytime exclusive interview.
8:04When you first heard that Shannan
8:06your neighbor, Cece
8:08Bella and these beautiful little girls
8:10were missing. What did you think? What
8:11went through your mind?
8:12At first, I couldn't believe that
8:15they're missing.
8:17If they were, I couldn't really I didn't
8:18know at the time if they were missing or
8:20not.
8:21So, basically what I did was went to my
8:23security camera footage, checked it out,
8:26went back to the police
8:28and told them basically what I had and
8:30they eventually wanted to come in and
8:31look at it.
8:34What an interview. I'm going to
8:35congratulate you and thank you for this
8:37cuz we all have more power than we
8:38think.
8:39This is a great example. Neighbor
8:41realizes there's a problem, takes
8:42advantage of whatever resources he has
8:44and you end up changing the destiny of
8:46this case. How would you describe Chris
8:49Watts as a neighbor? And if you don't
8:50mind, Shannan and the girls as well.
8:52What were they like? Um Chris was real
8:53quiet.
8:55He would always wave or at sometimes
8:57talk to you. But, he was kind you can
8:59tell he was kind of stand-offish. There
9:00was times when he just didn't want to
9:02wave or didn't want to say anything.
9:04But, usually he was nice.
9:05And Shannan was always really friendly.
9:07She came over, welcomed us to the
9:09neighborhood. The girls were always
9:10running around, laughing, having a great
9:12time.
9:14So, nothing seemed out of the ordinary?
9:16No, nothing at all. And when you first
9:18looked at that security footage
9:20and you know, then you saw that this
9:22truck had backed up in the morning that
9:24they disappeared
9:25you never saw the kids leave or Shannan,
9:27but you saw the truck back up. What did
9:29you think he was doing?
9:30Um he said he was loading tools, but I
9:33thought that was a little bit odd cuz I
9:34had never seen him really back his truck
9:36into the driveway ever.
9:38He always parked it out front.
9:40So, I definitely thought it was kind of
9:41odd. And then when you saw him loading
9:43stuff into the cab of the truck and
9:45never anything into the back,
9:47I really thought that was definitely
9:48odd.
9:50Is that when you began to think that
9:51maybe those are bodies he's actually
9:52loading into the back of his truck?
9:54>> [snorts]
9:54>> I don't know if at that point in time I
9:56thought it was bodies, but at the time I
9:58thought stuff wasn't adding up.
10:01So, you showed the footage to the to the
10:02police. Mhm. And then
10:04and then you showed it to Chris Watts.
10:06>> Yep.
10:07And and that encounter actually probably
10:08everybody was recorded. You know how
10:09police have those body cams? So, police
10:12officer body camera recorded this. So,
10:13take a look at what that camera showed.
10:18And this is him at 5:17.
10:22All right, you can follow
10:30I had to park out there on the side. I
10:31was trying to get everything back in.
10:34It'd be easier to load everything
10:35everything out there, all the tools that
10:36I had to bring in.
10:43What else am I going to do with this?
10:47Um
10:49My detective just showed up.
10:51Um the hit right here want to talk to
10:53you. I had to I parked right here.
10:56See if someone did anything I can see
10:57where someone tried to jimmy with a flat
10:59head screwdriver.
11:00Oh, I don't think I've seen anything
11:01coming down the street this way.
11:04Oh, yeah.
11:05Watch out, sir.
11:08So, we're all watching that behavior
11:09that you were there for. What did you
11:11think of that encounter with Chris?
11:14It was definitely very odd.
11:16I'm I'm more of a watcher. I watch
11:18people more than, you know, talk to
11:19everybody. I kind of sit back and watch.
11:21So, to see him putting his hands on his
11:23head and see him nervous, looking
11:25around, constantly on his phone. The
11:27other thing I thought that was
11:28definitely weird was he wasn't watching
11:31the footage at all.
11:33He would look at it for a second, then
11:34go back to his phone, or look at it for
11:36a second, then look away. And if my
11:38family was missing, I would be glued to
11:40that TV 100% to see if I could see
11:44absolutely anything.
11:46Those are incredibly profound
11:48observations. Thank you. That's right.
11:50I'd be glued trying to get ahead of the
11:52case, not trying to keep up with it.
11:54Yeah, I would I would have been on that
11:56TV seeing if there was any anything
11:59that showed anything about my family.
12:01And the fact that he wasn't watching it
12:02at all,
12:04he kept looking up and looking around
12:06and petting my dog and stuff like that.
12:07I just thought that was odd.
12:09I'm going to say it again, but you
12:10reflect the power of what seems like an
12:12ordinary man. Yeah. You're not a
12:14detective. No.
12:16You're not a police officer. By no
12:17means. But you picked up on a lot of
12:19subtle things that I hadn't thought of
12:20till you mentioned them back there. I
12:21bet most of us hadn't.
12:23>> [snorts]
12:23>> Yeah, I definitely just thought it was
12:25odd
12:26the way he was acting and he was kind of
12:28pa-
12:29swaying back and forth a lot, putting
12:31his hands on his head, and he
12:33accidentally knocked his sunglasses
12:35down, and just little stuff like that
12:37where I was like, "Why are you so
12:39nervous?" Yes. You should show more
12:41concern than nervousness. I know you've
12:44talked publicly in the past [snorts]
12:45about hearing Chris and Shanann argue.
12:49And you made a commitment, which I'm
12:51proud of you for making, I'm not
12:52speaking about it in detail. Why why?
12:56Um I don't want everyone to look at this
12:58case and think, "Oh my gosh, they argued
13:01all the time." That's not what we're
13:02focused on.
13:04We're fo- I I want to focus on Shanann
13:06and the girls and what a great life they
13:08had.
13:09Instead of, "Oh my gosh, they fought all
13:12the time. He was so mean to her."
13:15At the time, I embellished a little bit
13:17as far as they fought constantly, and I
13:19didn't want that to come out that way.
13:21It was more like they didn't fight any
13:23more than any other couple.
13:25Mhm. mean, yeah, our houses are so
13:28close, it's kind of hard not to notice
13:30when people are outside and doing stuff
13:31like that. But, it wasn't like he was
13:34constantly yelling at her, he was super
13:36mean. They had a couple confrontations
13:38that I happened to see. Yeah. But, it
13:40was never
13:42him being this big huge monster.
13:44And I've just noticed on social media,
13:46they really focus on that, and that's
13:48not what I want to focus on. Yeah.
13:51It's not right for the family, either.
13:52And I honor you for trying to protect
13:54them. Thank you.
13:56Up next, Nate weighs in on the rumors
13:58about Chris Watts' alleged secret
13:59relationships. And what does he think
14:01about him now? We'll be right back.
14:06>> [applause and music]
14:08>> I'm back with an exclusive interview
14:10with a neighbor who helped put killer
14:12dad, Chris Watts, behind bars.
14:15Let's talk about these other rumors
14:16regarding Chris.
14:18There's a rumor that he has had other
14:19girlfriends.
14:21Uh and there's a rumor that he had a
14:23sexual relationship with another man.
14:24What are your thoughts on those
14:26allegations?
14:27>> I don't really I didn't really know at
14:28the time he had a girlfriend.
14:31Cuz from the outside, it looks like a
14:32normal everyday family. Husband's going
14:34to work, coming home. So, I didn't
14:36really know much about that.
14:38And as far as
14:41a relationship with a male, it seems
14:43kind of odd to me considering he had
14:45pictures of his girlfriend, stuff like
14:48that.
14:49So, I just don't believe that that
14:51happened.
14:53You knew Chris Watts when you thought he
14:55was a normal guy.
14:56>> Yep. But, now that you're aware of the
14:58brutality of the crimes that he
15:00committed against his wife and his
15:02beautiful children, and even an unborn
15:03child, what do you think of him now?
15:06Um
15:07part of me thinks he's a monster.
15:11For you to be able to do that to your
15:14wife, and especially your kids.
15:16Like, I love my son more than anything,
15:18and I could never see myself hurting him
15:20at all. Yeah. And the fact that
15:24he could go out of his way
15:27to take her life and the kids' life and
15:30then act like nothing happened and try
15:32to cover it up just shows his character.
15:35Yeah. So,
15:36he got sentenced to five consecutive
15:40life sentences. Yes. With no chance of
15:42parole.
15:43>> [snorts]
15:43>> You think that's what he deserved? Um
15:45after talking to her family, Shannan's
15:48family, and finding out that they felt
15:50like it wasn't their place to see seek
15:53the death penalty,
15:55and my personal opinion on it is is I
15:58think sitting in a jail cell thinking
15:59about what you did every day
16:01is a lot more punishment than sitting on
16:04a death row
16:06and constantly thinking about your case
16:08and how I'm going to beat it and how I'm
16:10going to it would give him other things
16:11to think about instead of what he should
16:13be thinking about, which is his family
16:15and what he did to them.
16:17I really want to applaud you. Not just
16:19for what you did, but it reminds all of
16:20us the power each of us has. God bless
16:23[applause] you. Coming up, the
16:24heartbreaking medical reason we know
16:26Chris Watts his daughter Bella fought
16:27back for her life. And what is life like
16:30in prison for Chris Watts? Is he really
16:32receiving love letters from hundreds of
16:34women?
16:36That's the rumor. It's next.
16:38>> [applause]
16:40[music]
17:06>> We're back talking about the horrific
17:08case of Chris Watts, who was convicted
17:10and sentenced to life in prison without
17:12parole for the brutal murders of his
17:14wife Shannan, daughters Bella and Cece,
17:16and an unborn son. I'm joined by our
17:19crime panel, crime correspondent Melissa
17:21Moore, forensic psychiatrist Dr. Clay
17:23Watson, and former homicide prosecutor
17:25and Assiga Nikalazi. And we just heard
17:28two important revelations from the Watts
17:30neighbor Nate. He now says Chris and
17:33Shannan did not argue more than most
17:35other couples, backtracking on what he
17:36had said in earlier interviews. And he
17:39doesn't believe the recent stories that
17:40Chris had a sexual relationship with
17:42another man. And Assiga, your thoughts
17:44as a prosecutor about both of those
17:46issues. There's still so many question
17:48marks and unknowns in this case. And
17:50unfortunately, the only way we ever get
17:51to the actual true answers are if Chris
17:54Watts ever decides to tell the truth. We
17:56don't know if he will. The bottom line
17:58though, regardless, is this. Is that
18:00this is a man who wanted a new life, and
18:02he was willing to kill to get it. His
18:04wife and his beautiful little girls
18:06Bella and Cece, his unborn son Nico,
18:08became nothing but more mere objects to
18:11him that stood in his way.
18:13In all my years as a prosecutor, I've
18:15obviously seen so many terrible things,
18:17but this one, when I heard some of the
18:19details about the brutality and the
18:21heartlessness of what this man did to
18:24his family, it actually made me shut my
18:26eyes and paused. I'm trying to
18:28understand how he didn't reveal some of
18:30this heinous character earlier in his
18:33life. Now, just give you an example.
18:34Four-year-old Bella, that's the older
18:35daughter, she fought back so
18:37aggressively against her dad's attack
18:40that she actually tore her frenulum. The
18:41frenulum is a tissue beneath your tongue
18:43that attaches your tongue to the bottom
18:45of your mouth, that she'd bitten her
18:46tongue so many times before she died,
18:48just trying to hold on to life. Clay, as
18:51a psychiatrist, when you see this kind
18:53of brutality, especially to someone so
18:54dear to to you, your daughter,
18:57what does that tell you about the mind
18:59of Chris Watts?
19:01So, first of all, it is it's hard to
19:03even conceptualize
19:06It's inconceivable what Chris Watts was
19:08able to do to his family.
19:11As a forensic psychiatrist, I've sat
19:13with a number of individuals who have
19:15killed. Uh and this case, as you
19:17mentioned, is something that
19:19uh goes beyond anything that most of us
19:21ever get to see.
19:23But, as a forensic psychiatrist, what do
19:25I look for when I'm talking with these
19:26killers? I'm looking for evidence of a
19:29mental health disorder. I'm looking for
19:31uh a abnormal personality structure like
19:35uh antisocial personality or psychopathy
19:38or narcissistic personality disorders.
19:41Or uh it could even be a situation where
19:44there's an abnormal reaction to a normal
19:47normal daily problems of life that some
19:49people
19:50uh that some people have. In this
19:52particular case, when there is the
19:54killing of a child by a parent, there
19:56are only a few categories and this is
19:59one category that this would likely fit
20:01into is the unwanted child. And in those
20:05particular cases, the unwanted child is
20:07seen as a barrier to a new life, sort of
20:11a new flourishing uh romantic
20:14relationship. And uh the parent needs to
20:18clear that barrier in order to move
20:20forward. But, also, Dr. Clay, I noticed
20:23he wasn't wearing his wedding ring in
20:24some of the footage already. So, even
20:26when he's talking to the public, he
20:28didn't have his wedding ring on. And
20:30when he's talking to the public, I
20:31didn't see any strain on his face. I
20:33didn't see any puffiness or bloodshot
20:35eyes. You know, something that I would
20:37think you would be you'd be crying a lot
20:39at night. You'd be devastated. And no
20:41bags under his eyes from lack of sleep.
20:43I mean, those are some of the the
20:45physical things I saw from him. And when
20:48we talk about manipulation, and that's a
20:50great point, um
20:51you that is probably the least of the
20:54transgressions. We know what he's
20:56capable of.
20:58He has carried out the most
21:01inhuman
21:02acts possible. So, now the
21:05manipulations, the lies, the everything
21:08to cover up after those are easy hurdles
21:10now. Those are that's the least of his
21:11transgressions.
21:13Everything that most people are unable
21:15to even conceive of he's able and has
21:17done. And so uh so the manipulation is a
21:21just just part and parcel. So Chris's
21:23Shanann's parents and Chris's mom all
21:25spoke. It was very very emotional.
21:30Who gave you the right to take their
21:31lives? [music]
21:32You monster.
21:34Thought you would get away with this. To
21:36my son Christopher, we have loved you
21:39from the beginning and we still love you
21:42now.
21:44So Melissa, you mean you live this in
21:46part cuz your father's a serial killer.
21:49How are Chris's and Shanann's families
21:51coping with this? The brutality of how
21:53this was done.
21:54Are they even speaking to each other?
21:56Well, it from my experience working with
21:59families, it's takes a long time to talk
22:01to each other, but I hope that they are
22:02talking to each other because Chris is
22:04not giving very much information and I
22:07feel like together if they were to
22:08communicate, I know they have a lot of a
22:10lot of questions and they want answers.
22:12But I think some of them could answer
22:14some of the things for them because I
22:15think Chris gave some puzzle, you know,
22:17like little fragments to one one family
22:19member and then to another family member
22:21and maybe together they can come up with
22:24some answers, you know, together. But I
22:26think what's interesting is watching
22:28that footage and watching his face. When
22:30I watched him in trial, he was looking
22:33down and he only cried when his mom
22:36spoke.
22:38Huh. And said, "We still love you."
22:40When it was about him.
22:42That's when he started crying. Crying
22:44for himself.
22:45Crying for himself. And I see again the
22:46mistress, I understand she's been
22:48cooperating fully with police. By all
22:50accounts, she has been completely
22:52cooperative with law enforcement. This
22:53is a woman who worked with Chris Watts
22:55and his story to her was that he was
22:58separated in the process of a divorce,
23:00which we all know now is far from the
23:01truth. She herself reports say that she
23:05went to the police when she learned that
23:07Shannan and the girls were missing.
23:09She went first.
23:10>> She went first.
23:11And there also these reports and most
23:13I'll address this to you that women all
23:15over the country are writing this man,
23:17frankly from all over the world, love
23:19letters. Love letters to this man.
23:21You've been digging into
23:23and have obtained some exclusive
23:24information about what he's going
23:25through in jail. Right, and that's what
23:27I think.
23:27>> Yeah, that doesn't surprise me that
23:29women are reaching out to him. I mean,
23:30look at Scott Peterson. I mean, this is
23:32he's going to be in that same line and
23:34and being getting money in his
23:36commissary and
23:38being supported. I think for women on
23:39the outside that are attracted to guys
23:42like this, they're safe, they're safer,
23:43I guess. But also the fact that they can
23:46save them, that they can maybe turn
23:48their lives around, they'll be the one
23:50that that rescued them. And I I've seen
23:53that in the case with my father even.
23:54I've I've seen letters that he's
23:56received. I know he got visitation from
23:58multiple women, models, some celebrities
24:00even, too.
24:02As far as Chris being in prison, I've
24:04heard from my sources that he was booed
24:06by the other inmates when he entered.
24:08That also he's becoming despondent, that
24:10he's starting to realize the gravity of
24:12his sentence. And you know, some people
24:14will say, "Oh, he's feeling remorse for
24:16the crimes." I don't think that at all.
24:17I think he's definitely understanding
24:20that this is a life sentence and there's
24:21no way out of it. Also, I've heard that
24:24he was moved from Colorado prison for
24:26the safety of himself. But also, you
24:29know, I some people might think like,
24:30"Well, who cares about his safety? Look
24:32what he did to his kids." But it's
24:34really also for the safety of the staff,
24:36the guards because if they have to break
24:38up a fight or attack, then they're, you
24:40know, they're in harm's way. The lowest
24:42of the lowest, killing your own
24:43offspring. I know
24:44>> Right, and there's a hierarchy, too.
24:46There is a hierarchy in prison where men
24:49who attack their children or pedophiles
24:51are the lowest of the low. So, even in
24:53this is a, you know, high-profile case.
24:55So, he's got a target on his back.
24:57Thank you for your wonderful insights.
24:59Coming up another shocking story of a
25:00missing Colorado mom and now her fiance
25:03is charged with her murder. What
25:05happened to Kelsey Berreth? That's next.
25:10>> [applause and music]
25:13>> Is this a person who can act without any
25:15remorse? Is this a person who does
25:17little things that sort of leaks
25:19information to say, "Okay, you don't
25:21have your ring on. You don't
25:22[clears throat] you you don't have any
25:24problem with sleep. You're acting sort
25:26of strange during the the watching of
25:28video as we saw previously." But the
25:32other piece that's important here is the
25:34brutality in which he carried out these
25:36killings. And and again, it's hard to
25:39imagine that a father or a husband can
25:41do these things, but the brutality that
25:43can come usually comes in these killings
25:45from a high emotional state. And that
25:47emotional state may do be due to extreme
25:50panic or anger or extreme resentment.
25:54But here, I mean,
25:55tell me if if you would agree with this
25:56client Dr. This man is so cold and
25:59calculating. Most people want to move
26:00on. They know they can go and get a
26:02divorce. Here he decides he doesn't want
26:04to be tethered with alimony, visitation.
26:06And so what he decides to do is to take
26:09their lives of these people that were
26:11supposed to be those that he cherished
26:12the most. The nucleus around the
26:14Christmas
26:14>> haunted me too what's haunted me the
26:16most is that he was able to sleep at
26:18night with his girls in those those oil
26:21bends. And I heard from the authorities
26:24when they tried to retrieve the little
26:25girls that one of the little girl's
26:28hands to gloved. Like that I mean
26:31there's moments in cases that are so
26:34there's just parts of cases that stick
26:36with you and I think for those that the
26:38people who had to retrieve them that
26:40they have to remember that, you know.
26:42>> think that Chris Watts would be
26:44>> Yeah. unable to do things most of us can
26:46do just without eating at him? Mhm. He
26:49was interrogated for hours by police
26:51before finally admitting to his own dad
26:54that he killed his wife. Look at this
26:56gripping footage.
27:08I mean, I'm just thinking about the
27:10father putting his hands like this as he
27:13hears his own son, his own flesh tell
27:15him that he has killed the grandkids
27:18and the daughter-in-law. What What does
27:19this tell us about what was going on in
27:21the mind of Chris Watts?
27:24At that point, um
27:27Chris Watts has to survive. He's in
27:29survival mode. So, everything that he
27:32says at this point forward is all about
27:35self-preservation. So, he is talking to
27:37his father and giving his father one
27:40story, gave police another story. And
27:43and in all of it, and very much similar
27:46to the killings and the disposing of the
27:48body, everything is about his want and
27:51needs above all else. So, he's going to
27:54do what he needs to do because he wants
27:57to realize a new life. He can't realize
28:00the new life without telling more lies.
28:02And so, if we go through all the steps
28:05that was necessary from the time of
28:07planning the killings to carrying out
28:09the killings to disposing of the bodies
28:12to then trying to avoid detection, most
28:15of us, the vast majority of individuals,
28:17are not capable of the degree of
28:18compartmentalization that's needed to
28:21carry out those things. And now he is
28:24being interrogated, and he has to be
28:26able to come up with a story, and that
28:28story is all about his own
28:29self-preservation so he can move on to
28:32his new life. But don't you think there
28:33was manipulation there, too? Because if
28:36he tells this to his father, then his
28:38father will somehow have a twist of
28:40empathy, but he was trying to keep keep
28:43his parents on his side.
28:44>> It's really something that as
28:45prosecutors we always say that at the
28:47certain points that a defendant or
28:48suspect will admit what they have to and
28:50deny what they can. He knows the gig is
28:51up. He knows they're going to know
28:53something basis so what can he quickly
28:55switch gears and tell a story that maybe
28:57gets him out of most of this. So that's
28:59what you almost see. He wants this new
29:00life. He knows that he's not going to
29:02walk away scot-free so he came up with a
29:03new story that he tried to enlist his
29:05father's support.
29:07>> was that his wife had actually already
29:09killed the kids. Exactly. So we hear my
29:11wife is the monster and I as this loving
29:13father snap when my children have been
29:15taken from this woman and now out of my
29:19state of just incredible anger at what
29:21she did to my my children, now I went
29:24ahead and killed her.
29:32We're back with our true crime panel and
29:34I want to talk about another murder of a
29:36Colorado mom, Kelsey Berreth, who went
29:38missing on Thanksgiving Day.
29:40Her fiance, Patrick Frazee, has now been
29:42charged with her murder. As you can
29:45you've prosecuted many successful cases.
29:47What's going on in this What would you
29:49be thinking in this murder
29:50investigation? Well, as you said, Kelsey
29:52was last seen going into a supermarket
29:54with her 1-year-old daughter, Kaylee, on
29:56Thanksgiving Day. Then it was silence. A
29:59couple days later her phone pinged over
30:01700 miles away in Idaho.
30:04Same day her employer gets a text that
30:06she's not not going to be in work the
30:08following week.
30:09>> From her phone? Her phone. Then nothing.
30:11Just complete No one knew anything. Fast
30:14forward now to December 21st, her
30:17fiance, Patrick Frazee, was arrested for
30:20her murder.
30:21Very important to note that her body has
30:23not and at that point certainly hadn't
30:24been found. He was charged with two
30:26counts of murder, one under the theory
30:28that he intentionally killed her, the
30:30second that he killed her during the
30:32course of another crime, in this case
30:33robbery, and interestingly there's three
30:35other counts of solicitation to commit
30:37murder. That he enlisted or tried to
30:40enlist the help of another person on
30:41three different occasions to help him
30:44kill Kelsey or to kill her after his
30:47home was searched. Now, this is a case
30:49that is new developments are coming
30:51almost daily and some of the most latest
30:53and biggest are that in Idaho, a woman
30:56has been looked at as possibly being the
30:57one who helped him dispose of this
30:59phone. Looking at her more, there are
31:01reports saying that she as a nurse is
31:03someone who had a relationship with
31:04Patrick going as far back as 2016
31:08and the breaking news is that a couple
31:10has come forward from Idaho to say that
31:12they as far back as October were told by
31:15an employee of theirs that she had been
31:17contacted by another woman to say that a
31:19man named Patrick was looking for her
31:21help to kill his fiance and it was only
31:24when they saw Kelsey's mother
31:27imploring the public to help find her
31:29daughter they started to put the pieces
31:30together. They contacted the FBI four
31:33days later, he's arrested. So, it makes
31:35a difference. When you guys speak and
31:36see things, it matters.
32:38That interview just gave you something
32:39that most coverage of this case never
32:41does. A ground-level perspective. An
32:43ordinary person who was there, who
32:45watched Chris Watts in real time before
32:47the arrest, before the confession,
32:49before the world knew what had happened
32:50inside that house, and who noticed
32:52exactly the things that matter. Let me
32:54pull out the three things I told you to
32:55listen for and tell you why they matter
32:57beyond what the interview itself
32:58explored. This detail is more
33:00significant than it sounds. When Chris
33:02Watts loaded his family into that truck
33:04on the morning of August 13th, he needed
33:06to minimize the distance between the
33:07back door of the house and the vehicle.
33:09Backing in accomplished that. It also
33:11created a visual barrier between what he
33:13was loading and any neighbor who might
33:15glance over. He had never done it before
33:17because he had never needed to before.
33:19The neighbor noticed a behavioral
33:20deviation, something that did not match
33:23the established pattern of who Chris
33:24Watts was as a neighbor, and he acted on
33:26it. He did not rationalize it. He did
33:28not tell himself there was probably a
33:30normal explanation. He went back and
33:32looked at his footage, and then he went
33:33to the police. That instinct, the
33:35willingness to act on a deviation rather
33:37than explain it away, is the reason this
33:39case broke open when it did. The
33:41neighbor described Chris as swaying,
33:43putting his hands on his head,
33:44constantly on his phone, barely looking
33:46at the screen. Forensic behavioral
33:47analysts have a name for what the
33:49neighbor was observing: leakage. When
33:51someone is performing an emotional state
33:53they do not actually feel, the
33:54performance requires conscious effort,
33:56and conscious effort has limits. In the
33:58gaps between the performed grief, the
34:00concerned husband, the desperate father,
34:02the real internal state leaks through.
34:04The swaying, the hands on the head, the
34:06phone, the inability to hold his gaze on
34:08the footage. That was not grief leaking
34:10through. That was the calculation of a
34:12man who knew exactly what was on that
34:13footage and was deciding in real time
34:15how much of it he could afford to watch
34:17without reacting in a way that confirmed
34:19what the people around him were
34:20beginning to suspect. The neighbor read
34:21that without any training. He just paid
34:23attention. In the middle of a television
34:25interview about security footage and
34:27behavioral analysis and prison
34:28hierarchies, this man stopped and
34:30redirected the conversation. He said he
34:32did not want people to think the
34:33arguments he had heard made the Watts
34:35marriage exceptional. He said he did not
34:37want the focus to be on what was wrong
34:39with that house. He wanted the focus to
34:41be on what was right about Shannan. On
34:43the girls running around the yard. On
34:45Shannan coming to welcome them to the
34:46neighborhood. On the life that was
34:48inside that house before the man who
34:50ended it took over the narrative. I want
34:52this community to sit with that for a
34:53moment because in 8 years of coverage of
34:55this case across documentaries and
34:57podcasts and interviews and trials and
34:59prison wives, the person who most
35:01consistently tried to redirect the
35:02conversation back to Shannan was not a
35:04journalist. Was not a true crime host.
35:07Was not a forensic expert. It was the
35:09neighbor, the man who was just paying
35:11attention. Shannan Watts was 34 years
35:13old. She came home at 1:48 in the
35:15morning on August 13th after a work
35:17trip. She was 15 weeks pregnant. She had
35:19a prenatal appointment that morning. She
35:21never made it. Bella was four. Celeste
35:24was three. Nico never had a name spoken
35:26to his face. The neighbor who handed
35:28police that security footage did
35:29something that sounds small and was
35:31enormous. He paid attention. He noticed
35:33what did not fit. He acted on what he
35:35noticed. He protected the footage and
35:37brought it forward without waiting to be
35:38asked. And because of that, because one
35:41ordinary man living next door decided
35:42that something was wrong and did
35:44something about it, Chris Watts was
35:45identified, confronted, and ultimately
35:48confessed within days rather than
35:50disappearing into whatever story he had
35:51planned. That matters. That is worth
35:53saying out loud. And it is worth
35:55remembering every time we feel like
35:57ordinary people cannot change the
35:58outcome of extraordinary situations.
36:00They can. This case proved it. I have
36:02two questions for this community. First,
36:05the truck backed into the driveway. The
36:07footage review where he could not look
36:08at the screen. Which single behavioral
36:10detail from this interview struck you
36:12the hardest and why? Second, the
36:14neighbor made a deliberate choice to
36:16protect Shannan's reputation in this
36:17interview. To redirect the focus back to
36:19who she was rather than what went wrong
36:21in her marriage. What does that choice
36:23tell you about what this case has meant
36:25to the people closest to it? Leave your
36:27answers below. I read every single one.
36:30Subscribe to Evidence True Crime because
36:32next week we go deeper into what the
36:34security footage itself revealed to
36:36investigators beyond what was discussed
36:38in this interview and what the timeline
36:39of Chris Watts' movements on the morning
36:41of August 13th tells us about the level
36:43of premeditation behind what he did.
36:45There is always more for Shannan,
36:48for Bella, for Celeste, for Nico.
36:50Justice is not a moment. It is a
36:52direction and we keep moving toward it.

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