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0:00What happens if you practice gratitude
0:0210 minutes a day? A person who
0:04understands that I'm going to go for 10
0:06or 15 minutes just feeling gratitude or
0:08thinking about all the things I'm
0:09grateful for. I promise you, a person
0:11who does that after a period of time, as
0:13a side effect, the opportunities coming
0:15to them.
0:17I know my reality. I'm not the version
0:19who I want to be. How do they think and
0:21create of that future which they can't
0:23even see?
0:23>> Well, you have one of two choices, to
0:25disbelieve or believe. If you choose to
0:27be a chronic disbeliever, then you'll
0:29find reasons in your life to reaffirm
0:31that disbelief. I was just looking at a
0:33testimonial the other day. The guy had a
0:359 and 1/2-in tumor on his kidneys. The
0:38chemo wasn't working. The radiation
0:40wasn't working. None of the diets
0:42worked. [music]
0:43One of two options, die or show up for
0:45myself. And their belief in themselves
0:49was earned. It was the overcoming,
0:51showing up even when they doubted. The
0:53person they have the scans, they have
0:55the blood tests, tumors are gone,
0:57everything's gone. That's the power that
0:59lives in every human being. When you
1:00start seeing possibility like that.
1:05How is that possible? Okay.
1:06>> When you're in the meditative state, if
1:08you can open the door between your
1:10conscious mind and your subconscious
1:12mind, and you're able to provide the
1:15autonomic nervous system with the right
1:17information, it has an innate
1:19intelligence to restore, and repair,
1:21regenerate chemicals and hormones that
1:24begin to restore and repair the body.
1:28Sort of concept which is alpha alpha,
1:30beta, gamma, theta and delta.
1:32>> Okay. Explain me When you're conscious
1:34and most of your attention is pretty
1:35much on your outer environment, you're
1:37in beta. Then when you're more of your
1:38attention kind of goes on your inner
1:40environment, that's alpha. Theta is when
1:42your body is asleep, resting, and you're
1:44conscious and awake. Theta is that
1:46hypnotic state. Delta is when your body
1:48is in a deep resting state of sleep, and
1:51it's restoring and repairing. Gamma is
1:52that kind of elevated state of
1:54superconsciousness.
1:56Our data says that at the end of 7 days,
1:59a person's voice tone is different,
2:00their face is different, their brain is
2:02different, their heart is different.
2:04Everything changes when a person
2:06changes.
2:08What are like top two or three things
2:10that people do wrong, which is why
2:12they're not able to change at all? So,
2:13the person who's operating from past is
2:15usually trying to predict the future
2:17based on the past, and they're working
2:19pretty much off a part of the brain
2:21called the default mode network. The
2:23challenge with that is it consumes an
2:25enormous amount of energy in the brain.
2:27And if you're not predicting the future,
2:30you're in the present moment. And when
2:31you're in the present moment, you're way
2:33more creative, the brain is more
2:35integrated, and that's when you get
2:36creative ideas.
2:39Do you think somebody who doesn't feel
2:41that deeply, does that affect their
2:43ability to create a better future?
2:50Just one quick thing before we start. So
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3:22What if you could change your entire
3:23personality? What if your anxiety, your
3:26trauma, the habits you can't break, the
3:28version of you that you really hate,
3:31all of that could be changed? What if
3:34you could unleash the power of your
3:37mind, of your thoughts, and achieve the
3:41absolute goals of your life, which are
3:43the biggest,
3:44and be able to achieve all your dreams
3:46as well?
3:47What if all of that was possible?
3:49Our today's guest is going to tell you
3:51exactly how.
3:53Our today's guest is Dr. Joe Dispenza,
3:56the man who proved that your thoughts
3:58can heal your body.
4:00He has healed so many diseases. He has
4:03helped so many people walk again. He's
4:05trained all around the world to do
4:08exactly this and unleash the power of
4:11your brain. He researches neuroscience.
4:14He works with a lot of institutions and
4:16try to understand what can your mind do
4:19and what are the possibilities. So, by
4:21the end of this episode, you will also
4:23understand why you've been stuck and how
4:26exactly you can turn your life around.
4:29>> [music]
4:34>> Let me start with something that
4:37I've never shared this pub- publicly
4:39ever. And
4:41So, there are a lot of nights where
4:45after I've had a great podcast or I've
4:47won something and I'm like, "This is
4:49This is a big day." Right? And I'm
4:51winning in my life. And I'm making
4:53money. I'm
4:54I think I've done a
4:55I've done something successfully, right?
4:58Even after that, when I go back home, I
5:01sit down and I'm almost about to sleep,
5:04I have these thoughts that
5:06what if
5:07I'm not good enough? What if tomorrow
5:10all of this goes away? What if this
5:12success I can't recreate? What if all of
5:13this is luck? And these spiral thoughts
5:16just keep coming in again and again.
5:20And I almost doubt myself to the point
5:22where it's like 3:00 a.m. or 4:00 a.m.
5:24and I can't sleep and I keep
5:26overthinking. And I'm sure there are so
5:28many people like me who go through the
5:29same thing.
5:30So, what's going on in my mind? Why
5:33am I thinking about all these things
5:35even on the days when I'm winning? Yeah.
5:38I think it's common for people, you
5:39know, I think we create based on luck,
5:43right? Many people see something that
5:46they want
5:48and they realize that they don't have it
5:50and the natural thing is to create what
5:52you don't have. So, it's natural to
5:55create based on lack. And then we have
5:58to get up and work really hard to
6:00accomplish and then produce an outcome.
6:03When we produce the outcome,
6:05the experience then takes away the the
6:08the lack because the emotion from the
6:10experience fulfills that lack.
6:12>> [sighs and gasps]
6:13>> And then it's only transient. And then
6:16that lack kind of comes back again
6:19and it causes us to speculate what if I
6:22What if [snorts] I don't succeed?
6:24And it's common, but what we discovered
6:26with people that do this when we look at
6:28their brains in real time
6:31is that when we analyze our life like
6:33that and we ruminate,
6:35we tend to make our brain worse. In
6:37other words, by doing that and
6:39overthinking and overanalyzing, you're
6:41narrowing your focus on something and
6:44you're doing that because the hormones
6:46of stress, right? The chemicals of
6:48stress
6:49are arousing your brain to live in
6:52survival and say, "What if I lose
6:53everything that I have?"
6:56When you're thinking within that
6:57emotion, you're actually causing your
7:00brain to experience more of those
7:01emotions
7:03>> [sighs]
7:03>> and you get caught in this loop, right?
7:06So, the point is is that none of that
7:09is good for you. In In fact,
7:11um you're actually turning on the stress
7:13response just by thought alone. And
7:16those chemicals of stress become
7:18addictive, right? [snorts] And so, not
7:21knowing this, many people don't know
7:23this, but they're they're doing this
7:25just for some rush of adrenaline.
7:29And you can do that for hours because
7:31when you're in stress and you're in
7:33survival, you actually have to narrow
7:35your focus on the cause and people
7:38become overfocused and they overanalyze
7:41themselves and they overanalyze their
7:43lives.
7:44And they make their brain worse even
7:45when they have everything that they
7:47want.
7:48The big fear is what if I lose it,
7:50right? So, the fear then is the issue,
7:53right? So, then I would say to someone
7:55like you,
7:56you got to you got to face off with that
7:58fear and you got to make sure that that
8:00fear cannot influence your life in any
8:04way. And that's the thing, the emotion
8:06that you have to change. You said that's
8:07the fear that I got to influence and
8:10that fear has an influence on my life in
8:12some sort of way, right? Sometimes I
8:15wonder and I think that maybe it's a
8:17good thing.
8:18And
8:19and I let it drive because I feel like
8:21because I feel like this
8:25every time after every big opportunity,
8:27I work harder the next day because I
8:29overthink about it. Um I'm really really
8:33bothered by everything and that's why it
8:35helps me. Is that a good way of thinking
8:37or How old are you?
8:38I'm 29 now. 29. Well, [laughter] I think
8:41it's normal. First of all,
8:43I think a little agitation or a little
8:46fear is a good driver, right? I think it
8:49gets it motivates us because people
8:51don't want to fail, right? And they want
8:53to succeed or they don't they don't want
8:54to do the wrong thing or make the wrong
8:56choice.
8:57So, it's it's natural for us to have a
9:00little bit of a
9:02a stimulation like that. When it gets
9:04overly active, then it we get it gets in
9:07our way. So,
9:09once again, I don't think it's bad, but
9:10if if it drives you to kind of do more,
9:13I think it's great. But I don't think
9:15it's the ultimate reason why we should
9:17be doing things, right? Your ultimate
9:20desire maybe is not to live your whole
9:22life in fear, Of course not. but to live
9:24in a state of wholeness or a state of
9:26connection or a state of gratitude or a
9:28state of love.
9:29And I think we reach a certain point in
9:31our life where we just start
9:33questioning, is this loving to me living
9:36this way? Is it loving to me.
9:38So, at 29 years old, when I was 29 years
9:41old,
9:42I had a lot of I had a lot of ambition.
9:44I still have a lot of ambition.
9:46But, I think I have a lot more
9:48experience in life. Uh
9:50and that just comes, you know, over
9:52time. So, as long as the fear doesn't
9:55get in the way for you creating the life
9:57that you want or that you get addicted
9:58to that emotion, I think it's healthy to
10:01have a little bit of fear. It you know,
10:03it kind of kind of drives you a little
10:05bit, but
10:07just don't go too far with it. But,
10:09let's say there are people who are
10:11feeling these fears, and they are
10:13feeling these negative emotions every
10:15night, and they're overthinking.
10:17And that is not helping them in their
10:19lives. How do they stop it?
10:21Yeah. Well, that's one of the reasons
10:23why we teach people that
10:26the reason that we use meditation
10:30is not to heal or or or to create
10:33success or whatever, or abundance,
10:36or to have a mystical experience, but we
10:39use meditation as a way to change,
10:41right?
10:42>> [snorts]
10:42>> And so,
10:44to become conscious of those unconscious
10:48thoughts that you think when you're
10:49feeling fear,
10:51it's so important to become so conscious
10:54that you don't go unconscious to those
10:56thoughts again. In other words, just
10:58because you have a thought
11:00doesn't necessarily mean it's true,
11:01right?
11:02>> [sighs]
11:03>> And if the anxiety and the worry and the
11:06fear is something that you experience on
11:08a daily basis,
11:10then in meditation, you have to become
11:12so conscious
11:14that you don't go unconscious and let
11:16that fear run you.
11:18And then, how do you behave? Do you stay
11:20up and ruminate over those what if
11:23scenarios in your life?
11:25You have to become so conscious that you
11:27don't go unconscious and fall back into
11:29that habit again.
11:30And so,
11:32the [clears throat] act of remembering
11:35and not forgetting in your meditation
11:37is exactly how you change, right? So
11:39then that unlearning process is only
11:42part of it. Then there's a relearning
11:44process. Like you have to break the
11:46habit of the old self, but then you have
11:48to reinvent the new self. So when your
11:50meditation to become familiar with
11:53the way you think, to become familiar
11:56with the way you act, to become familiar
11:58with the way you feel. The word
11:59meditation means to become familiar
12:01with.
12:02To know thyself.
12:05And then in the reinvention process,
12:07what do I want to think? Let me remember
12:09how I do want to think in that situation
12:12and change in that moment and think
12:15different thoughts. And the only way I'm
12:17going to be able to think those
12:18different thoughts is not when I'm
12:20struggling in those emotional states. I
12:22have to program my brain in my
12:25meditation to begin to think in a
12:27different way. What do I want to
12:29believe? And a belief is just a thought
12:31you keep thinking over and over again.
12:33So with intention and with your
12:36attention,
12:37let me remember what I do want to
12:39believe. And if you keep thinking that
12:41thought over and over again, nerve cells
12:43that fire together wire together.
12:45You begin to install the hardware in
12:46your brain. But that's not enough. You
12:48have to do it enough times that those
12:51circuits begin to fire more
12:52automatically. They begin to hardwire.
12:55And now that becomes the new voice in
12:56your head.
12:58How do I want to behave
13:00or how do I want to act when I'm
13:03when I'm feeling fear? What What is it
13:05What's it What's it an alternative? What
13:07What does greatness look like? What
13:09would What would be loving to myself?
13:11Let me sit up in that state what I'm
13:13feeling that fear and let me go into it
13:15and let me change it, right? So let me
13:18rehearse in my mind. Let me review how
13:20I'm going to behave. Mental rehearsal,
13:22the act of closing your eyes and
13:24choosing a a behavior. The research
13:27shows if you're truly present, the brain
13:29does not know the difference between the
13:31real-life experience and what you're
13:33imagining. So, the brain begins to fire
13:35and wire new circuits to look like you
13:38already did the act, right?
13:40Keep doing it and becomes a software
13:42program
13:43and it's more easy for you to behave
13:45that way cuz you've primed the brain. In
13:47other words, if you don't prime the
13:49brain and you're struggling, you have no
13:51circuitry to use, right?
13:53>> Yes. And then you have to say, "Okay,
13:56let me practice feeling a different
13:59emotion. Instead [clears throat] of
14:00fear, let me practice feeling gratitude.
14:03Let me see how many times I could bring
14:05up the feeling of gratitude."
14:07And if you in your meditation could
14:08bring it up over and over again and
14:10remember to feel this way, you keep
14:12doing it over and over again,
14:14you're making chemicals, right? And if
14:16you keep doing it, you can condition
14:17your body
14:19to feel that feeling more automatically.
14:21And you can begin to become familiar
14:23with a new way of thinking, you can
14:25become familiar with a new way of
14:27acting, and you become familiar with a
14:29new way of feeling.
14:31And [snorts]
14:32I think a lot of people just think that
14:35they have to stay stuck in there and
14:37they try to think positively when
14:39they're feeling really negatively,
14:41right? And that's not the solution. The
14:43work is, "Okay, now that I'm realizing
14:46that I'm struggling in the evenings,
14:49I got to do the inner work not when I'm
14:51struggling, but when I start my day or
14:54before I go to sleep at night. Let me
14:56remind myself where I'm not going to go,
14:58right? Let me remind myself what
15:00thoughts that I'm not going to
15:01entertain. Let me remind myself when I
15:04feel that fear
15:06that I can settle that emotion down.
15:09And when I start ruminating and I start
15:11acting this way, I got to remember that
15:13that's how I used to behave.
15:16I'm going to begin to change when I
15:17begin to think differently, when I begin
15:19to act differently, and I begin to feel
15:20differently. Now, theoretically,
15:23it sounds easy, but there's no other
15:26alternative.
15:27Uh unless you rely on something outside
15:30of you to change your internal state.
15:32So, the act of changing from one state
15:34of mind and body to another state of
15:36mind and body,
15:38um
15:39and priming your brain and body to have
15:41the the the the biology, the circuitry,
15:44the chemistry in place. If you keep
15:46doing it, you'll begin to choose the
15:48thing that way more often, choose to act
15:51that way more often, choose to feel that
15:52way more often.
15:54And I think that that process is uh it
15:57takes a little bit of time. And but if
15:59you keep doing it, um yeah, people
16:01change all the time.
16:03There are so many things that you said
16:04right now. I want to go one by one,
16:07pick up like statement and theories one
16:09by one and go deeper on each of them.
16:11Before we start that, don't you think
16:14like these fears and the things that I'm
16:15thinking,
16:16I've been programmed this way since I
16:19was a child. There must be
16:22some incident or something that must
16:24have happened when I was five and then
16:2610 and then 15 and then my external
16:28environment today and I don't know.
16:31There are so many things which have
16:33made me the way I am.
16:36Is it possible to
16:38go back and figure out what and how it
16:40happened which made me the way I am
16:42today?
16:43Well,
16:44I'll tell [clears throat] you how I see
16:46it. Um
16:48For the most part, I never really tell
16:50people to go back to the event. Uh I
16:53don't think it's healthy for them to
16:55review the event or the experience
16:57that caused them to be a certain way. I
17:00mean, insight really really doesn't
17:02change behavior. You could say, "My
17:04father was overbearing, my mother was a
17:06perfectionist, uh I didn't have a
17:08parent, whatever."
17:11It doesn't change. Uh the insight
17:13doesn't change the person, right?
17:15But what's more important the emotion,
17:18right? That's what is the residue cuz
17:22the end product of an experience is an
17:24emotion.
17:26So a person has an experience in their
17:27life. I don't know, let's just make
17:29something up. They have a trauma, right?
17:31And then the event causes them to feel
17:34differently than they normally feel.
17:37The stronger the emotional quotient from
17:39whatever the trauma or the betrayal or
17:41the loss is, the more altered they are
17:44inside of them, the more the brain
17:46freezes a frame and takes a snapshot and
17:49that's called the long-term memory. And
17:50we can remember events better
17:53um because there's emotions associated
17:56with them, right?
17:57So let's just say the person has a a
17:59trauma in their life
18:01and from that trauma they feel fear or
18:03they feel unworthiness or they feel
18:05pain, right? And you say to them, "Why
18:07are you this way?" They'll say, "I am
18:10this way because of this event that
18:11happened to me 5 years ago, 10 years
18:14ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 25
18:18years ago, 40 years ago, right?" What
18:20they're really saying from biological
18:21perspective
18:23is that I had this experience in my life
18:24and I have not been able to change
18:27since that experience cuz it altered who
18:29I am, right?
18:32The challenge is when people have
18:34traumatic events,
18:35whether they know it or not, when they
18:37review the event in their mind, they
18:39keep thinking about it, keep remembering
18:40it,
18:41they're producing the same chemistry in
18:43their brain and body as if the event was
18:45occurring.
18:46And so the body is the unconscious mind.
18:49It does not know the difference between
18:51the real-life experience that's creating
18:53the emotion
18:54and the emotion that person's creating
18:55by thought alone.
18:57The body's being abused and it's
18:59reliving the experience 50 to 100 times
19:02in one day. And it only takes a thought
19:05and a feeling,
19:07a memory and an emotion,
19:09a stimulus and response, and you can
19:12condition the body to become the mind of
19:14that emotion. Now, the body's literally
19:16living in the past, and it's so
19:18objective that it's constantly believing
19:20it's living in the same past experience.
19:22Okay.
19:23>> [gasps]
19:23>> So, then what's the solution?
19:26It's the emotion.
19:27The person must look at that emotion,
19:30and they must learn how to transform
19:33that emotion into wisdom.
19:35Because the memory without the emotional
19:37charge is called wisdom. Now, what our
19:40data shows
19:41just about 100% of the time. And we work
19:44with prisoners, incarcerated people,
19:47veterans, Navy SEALs, Green Berets, um
19:51all different different cultures.
19:54And
19:56the one thing that resets the baseline
19:59for the trauma
20:01is when you open your heart.
20:03When you sit take you say to like a Navy
20:05SEAL or military uh special ops person
20:09>> [gasps]
20:10>> if you can open your heart, it'll reset
20:11the baseline for the trauma.
20:15And these are trained, you know,
20:16individuals.
20:18When they start practicing breathing and
20:20start practicing opening their heart,
20:22and they start resting their attention
20:24in it, and they start cultivating
20:25elevated emotions there comes a moment
20:28where the heart actually begins to beat
20:30more orderly. And the moment it starts
20:32doing that, it sends a signal right to
20:35the brain and tells the brain the event
20:37is over.
20:38And when that occurs, this little area
20:40of the brain called the amygdala, the
20:42the survival center of the brain
20:45literally gets turned off. And all of a
20:48sudden now, when the person looks back
20:51at the past event they don't see it with
20:53the same emotional charge.
20:55And I think when we master our emotions,
20:57we master our creations. And that memory
21:00now, when they look back at it without
21:02the emotional charge
21:04is called wisdom.
21:05And now they're no longer living in the
21:07past, now they're ready to begin to live
21:09in their future.
21:10So, we discovered
21:13that the way out is not trying to go
21:16back and figure out, why am I this way?
21:19It was this person's fault, it was this
21:21experience. For many people that
21:23actually excuses them
21:25from actually making the choice to
21:27change. Because as they review the
21:29memory, nerve cells that fire together,
21:31wire together. And if they can work
21:33themselves up into the emotion, their
21:36body's feeling the same emotion from the
21:38past.
21:40And thoughts are the language of the
21:41brain and feelings of language of the
21:42body and how you think and how you feel
21:44is your state of being.
21:46They're stuck in that past state of
21:48being. So,
21:50analyzing and thinking and trying to
21:53figure it out never really resolves the
21:56problem. We discovered
21:58if you can activate your heart center
22:01and you can there's a process that we do
22:02with that.
22:04If a person releases is sincere, once I
22:06start to practice elevated emotions,
22:09the heart tells the brain that the event
22:12is over.
22:14But then,
22:16is it working in today's world? Because
22:19the question is more and more people are
22:21facing some sort of emotional decay.
22:23Right? That is
22:25you teach people in your whole work and
22:27what you explained me right now is about
22:31open your heart,
22:32have elevated emotions like gratitude,
22:35love, openness.
22:37When you have all of these things, then
22:38you're able to
22:40rewire yourself and change yourself for
22:43better.
22:44What about a generation which is
22:46which is facing certain level of
22:49what do I call it? Say emotional
22:51amnesia. Like they're just against
22:54not against, but they're they're losing
22:56their ability to feel deeply because
22:59they're constantly not thinking, not
23:01creating, not feeling. They're just
23:04bombarded by left, right, center
23:07algorithm and news and things and
23:09they're just feeling negative. And
23:10nothing else and they've just gotten
23:13numb to it.
23:14So, the generation which is
23:17losing their ability to feel emotions
23:21deeply, is it possible for them to feel
23:24certain way and change themselves?
23:25>> What generation are you talking about?
23:27Gen Z, Gen Alpha, the new ones.
23:30Well, that's really There was a research
23:32about it. That's what I'm talking. Yeah,
23:33it's really interesting because
23:36what our demographic has changed in the
23:39last 5 years. Our demographic was a lot
23:41older in our retreats, you know, we run
23:43big retreats.
23:45And now our demographic is a much
23:47younger
23:49demographic.
23:50And it's really exciting because
23:53many young people are realizing
23:56the absurdity of, you know, mismanaging
24:00their attention and mismanaging their
24:03emotions, right?
24:04And
24:06they they've tried everything and, you
24:09know, a device that's giving them images
24:12and stimulation and and messing with
24:14their brain chemistry. And they're
24:17realizing that nothing
24:19is making that feeling go away that they
24:21have.
24:23And many people rely on something
24:25outside of them to take away this
24:27emptiness or this pain or this confusion
24:30inside of them. So, they take something
24:32and they notice it feels makes them feel
24:35better. The moment they notice it feels
24:36better, they pay attention to what
24:38caused it and they become dependent or
24:39relying on that on that substance. The
24:42problem is is whatever that is, even it
24:44could be a video game. Whatever it is to
24:45distract you from that feeling,
24:48as you said
24:50when we started this talk,
24:52the feeling always comes back, right? It
24:55it always returns after the high of the
24:57drug or the or the video game or
24:59whatever they're doing, the gambling or
25:01whatever they're doing, distraction,
25:03that feeling comes back. And what's
25:05happening with a lot of people is
25:07they're looking
25:08for unconventional answers, right?
25:10Because they're not going to find any of
25:13the answers out there, right? So,
25:16um
25:17you give a person
25:19the understanding that they have the
25:21power
25:22to change, they have the power to create
25:26a better life, that there's more to
25:27reality than all the images and
25:30stimulation and the news and the right
25:32and left and center.
25:34There comes a moment where people are
25:35finally going to say, "I've had enough,
25:37right?" Uh and and I think everybody
25:40arrives at that point at different
25:42times.
25:43But,
25:45I'm I'm optimistic about this kind of
25:48resurgence of of interest where
25:52people are really wanting to take their
25:54power back and they really want to be
25:56more involved in creating a life that's
25:58more meaningful. And I think that if you
26:01look at the younger cultures,
26:04if I were to then when I talk to our
26:06youth community, I mean, huge youth
26:07community, you know, especially between
26:09the ages of 18 and 30, like very very
26:12large community.
26:14Their their biggest thing is there's no
26:16meaning. Like, there's no meaning out
26:18there. Like, when you lose meaning
26:21for life, there
26:22it becomes a big challenge, right? So,
26:25give a person uh
26:27the understanding that there is meaning,
26:29that they can evolve, that they can
26:31change, that they can create, that our
26:33community of like-minded uh like-hearted
26:36people uh can get together and really
26:39begin to uh support one another in that
26:41change. I think that's that's the
26:43future. So, my value really around it is
26:46community and and our our youth
26:48community is just amazing. They they've
26:50created healing groups now.
26:52Um we have a new program called
26:54Excalibur, uh which is a kind of elite
26:57program where they have to, you know, um
26:59uh
27:00you know, apply and then be accepted and
27:02then they have to fill out applications
27:04and interviews and they have to submit
27:06videos. And once they're accepted,
27:09then we're going to, you know, we're
27:10going to fund them into, you know,
27:12universities and raise money for
27:13scholarships and mentor them with with
27:16different companies and organizations.
27:17So, I'm
27:19the youth are our future, so very
27:21involved in that, yeah. But do you think
27:23somebody who doesn't feel that deeply or
27:28is getting emotionally numb?
27:30Desensitized. Desensitized. Does that
27:32affect their ability to create a better
27:35future or a good future?
27:36>> I think emotions
27:38uh can either keep us anchored to the
27:41past
27:42when, you know, we're, you know, when
27:44we're memorized by those emotions.
27:47But also emotions are actually what
27:49drive us. It's the energy to create a
27:51new future, right?
27:53And if you're lazy or lethargic or
27:55uninspired or you've lost initiative or
27:58you you have a desire for sameness
28:01or you're not creative in any way
28:03because
28:04the the only way
28:06that we actually really believe in a
28:08future
28:09is when we feel the emotion of that
28:11future. It's really hard to believe in a
28:14future when you're feeling the emotion
28:16of the past. In fact, many people will
28:19continuously tell the story of their
28:21past when they're feeling the emotions
28:22of the past. So, that's what we do in
28:24our events.
28:26Uh they're they're 7-day retreats
28:28and the first couple days are very
28:30uncomfortable. I tell the audience,
28:32you're going to come right up against
28:34yourself.
28:35And you're going to sit
28:37and you can't grab your cell phone and
28:39you can't open your eyes and you you're
28:41going to have to face off with yourself.
28:44And we give them something to do, right?
28:47By the second day, normally, maybe the
28:50third day in some groups,
28:52there's this huge transformation that
28:54starts taking place. There's There's a
28:56curiosity. Like we have language
28:57specialists that come and study the
28:59language of transformation.
29:01And they're really intelligent
29:03professors and and researchers.
29:05Many people come to our events and they
29:07have a curiosity, right? That's a kind
29:09of easy way to say it. And then
29:13we start the event
29:15and then they're challenged.
29:16And nobody changes
29:19unless they're challenged, period. And
29:21I've been doing this a long time and and
29:23I I can tell you that's a fact. If you
29:25give somebody
29:26something to do when they're challenged,
29:28like when you're challenged, don't do
29:30what you typically do.
29:32We're going to give you what a formula
29:34that we've discovered based on more than
29:3610 years of research. If you just do
29:37this and stop doing that, if you can get
29:40through this, there'll be a breakthrough
29:42and you'll start to feel again. And when
29:44you start to feel again, the common
29:46language that people use after the
29:48challenge is connection.
29:50They feel like they connected to
29:51themselves, they connected to love, they
29:54connected to their future, they connect
29:56on some level. Then after the
29:58connection,
29:59the language is transformation. Like I
30:01am not the same person. Like that guy
30:04that guy was struggling, I am not him
30:07any longer and there's a sense of
30:08temporality, right? There's a sense of
30:10temporality where a person says
30:13this happened hundreds of times.
30:16No, no, no. The disease that I had,
30:19whatever the terminal disease was or
30:20chronic disease was, um
30:22belongs to that personality. I'm
30:24literally somebody else. I'm somebody
30:26else. I don't I'm not that person any
30:28longer and literally their biology
30:30changes, right? So
30:32the apathy that's created because we're
30:34desensitized, where there is no meaning,
30:37where you don't really feel like it's
30:38going to matter, that existential kind
30:40of crisis,
30:41it's not a bad thing to feel that,
30:43right? I I mean, I think all of us
30:45uh at this point in history, like I
30:47mean, if you look at the world today,
30:50uh it's really hard to be inspired
30:52because there's such that, you know,
30:55chaos.
30:56And yet, I think
30:58community is that solution. So, a person
31:01then who joins a community of people
31:03where they say, "I need answers.
31:05I need answers, not philosophical, not
31:08theoretical, not spiritual. Well, I need
31:11answers of like what I can do in my life
31:14uh that's practical
31:17cuz I don't want to feel this way any
31:19longer. And the pharmaceuticals or the
31:21diet or the treatments or whatever is
31:23not changing me in any way. This is the
31:26moment of reckoning for many people
31:28because this is when they realize that
31:30nothing is making this feeling go away
31:32and no one's coming for them.
31:34Nobody's coming for them and they're
31:35like, "The I got to choose myself. Like
31:37I have to choose myself."
31:40When a person comes to that point and
31:42there's that sense of open-mindedness or
31:44open-heartedness or curiosity, um it
31:47leads them to a place where I think is
31:49really healthy.
31:50And the contrast
31:53for the lack of feeling
31:55causes us for many of us to want to
31:58feel. And so, many people say, "Well, I
32:00can't really open my heart."
32:02Well, well, what emotions do you feel
32:04every day? Let's look at that. Well, you
32:06spend the majority of your time feeling
32:07this emotion.
32:09Is that loving to you?
32:10>> [clears throat]
32:11>> No, I don't want to feel that way. Well,
32:12let's not use a drug, let's not use a
32:15computer game, let's not use your phone
32:17or social media. Let's see if you can
32:20change that emotion on your own.
32:22And when a person finally frees themself
32:25from the chains of the past,
32:28the body is literally liberated. And the
32:30side effect of them overcoming that
32:33emotion that many are addicted to
32:36is joy.
32:37It's the body liberated from being
32:39tormented by the same emotion that's
32:40keeping the person in the past.
32:42And some people just have to reach their
32:44lowest denominator.
32:46That point where they're at their lowest
32:48level, where they just can't go on any
32:50longer, and they make up their mind to
32:52change. Because when they're feeling
32:55that low, or
32:57no longer like themselves,
32:59they can actually observe themselves for
33:01the first time. They could see how
33:03they've been thinking, you know, they
33:05can objectify their objective self.
33:08And and it takes energy,
33:10and it takes awareness to disentangle
33:13from those programs. The beauty behind
33:15the research that we've been doing is
33:17that we now know that it's entirely
33:20possible. And then we have people that
33:21have had
33:22horrible pasts, brutal pasts, traumatic
33:26pasts, abuse of all kinds, uh traumas.
33:31Uh and some have done really horrible
33:33things and seen some witness some really
33:35horrible things. You know, 30 hours a
33:38week of panic attacks, uh trying every
33:41drug, every pharmaceutical, every
33:43therapy, exercising, uh you know, cold
33:47plunges, um saunas,
33:50diets, nothing was making their trauma
33:53go away.
33:55Until they finally sat down and said, "I
33:57got to look at myself." And when people
33:59really are willing to see
34:01what's beyond this emotion,
34:04what's beyond this belief, what's beyond
34:06this behavior, I'm going to sit and I'm
34:08going to and I'm going to work
34:10on overcoming myself.
34:13It is the overcoming process that we
34:15discovered that is the becoming process.
34:18And when people reach the middle of
34:20their life, 35, 40 years old, 95%
34:24of who they are
34:26by that age is a set of memorized
34:28subconscious programs. So, the only way
34:31you're going to become conscious
34:33of your unconscious self is to catch
34:35yourself going unconscious. And every
34:38time you catch yourself going
34:39unconscious and you become conscious
34:41that you get more conscious and get
34:43better at um catching yourself from
34:45going unconscious.
34:47So, we discovered that in
34:49the brain changes the most when you
34:52reach that point where you don't want to
34:53go any further.
34:55>> [sighs and gasps]
34:56>> And you just don't think you can. And
34:57when you go a little further, that's
34:59when the brain changes the most cuz
35:00you're leaving the familiar territory.
35:02You're leaving the known. And you're
35:04stepping into the unknown. So,
35:06I can't I can't
35:08um
35:10I don't want to I don't want to support
35:12the idea that uh people who have lost
35:14their you know, their ambition to feel
35:17will never feel again. They just have
35:19They'll just have to reach a point where
35:20they'll have to finally realize is this
35:22serving me? And if it's not, I'm look I
35:25have to look for solutions.
35:28You
35:29Before we create a new reality or before
35:32we actually change ourselves,
35:34we have to think about future, right?
35:36That's what you're trying to say. Like
35:37you have to create a new perception or
35:39imagination in your head.
35:41But
35:43what do you think about
35:45people who are losing their ability to
35:47imagine?
35:48There's almost I was reading a study
35:50that
35:51there's some sort of imagination
35:53collapse which is happening because
35:55as you grow older,
35:58your ability to imagine and create vivid
36:00images in your head keep declining.
36:03So, you must have dealt with so many
36:04people in your retreats who probably
36:07must have forgotten
36:09how to imagine a better future or think
36:12about anything because they're so caught
36:13up with their work, jobs, family drama,
36:15toxicity all around them.
36:17So, their imagination muscle must have
36:19either just gone or gotten weakened.
36:22Can you retrain yourself to think and
36:25imagine a future when you have never
36:27imagined or thought about it. Yeah. Um
36:30the answer is yes, and I think there's
36:32I'll just give two reasons. There's many
36:34reasons, but I'll give two reasons.
36:37Let's talk about the most obvious,
36:39right? I mean
36:41uh everybody has a lot going on in their
36:43life, right? And your brain is a record
36:45of the past. It's an artifact of
36:47everything you've learned and
36:49experienced to this moment. It is the It
36:52is the repository of the
36:53autobiographical self. You're Raj
36:56because you come from a certain country,
36:58you have a certain family, you studied
36:59certain things, you know certain people,
37:01you lived in certain places, you own
37:02certain things at certain times. And
37:05when you meet people, you kind of you
37:06you tell them who you are based on your
37:09experience in life.
37:10>> [snorts]
37:11>> So then, you have a neurological network
37:13for your mother, a neurological network
37:15for your father,
37:16a neurological network for your
37:18siblings,
37:19for your cell phone, for your home, uh
37:22because you've experienced all these
37:23elements in your life, right?
37:26And because you've experienced all those
37:27elements in your life, you have an
37:29emotion that's associated with every one
37:31of those people or objects or things or
37:33places, right?
37:35And so, when a person is out of balance
37:38or they're stressed, they've they've The
37:40stress is when your body and brain are
37:42out of balance or homeostasis. And the
37:44the alarm system or the emergency system
37:46switches on, and your brain goes into a
37:49heightened kind of uh aroused state.
37:53Stress is created by not being able to
37:55protect predict something, not being
37:57able to control something, or having the
38:00perception in your life that something's
38:02going to get worse.
38:04And when that kind of alarm system
38:06switches on,
38:07it's a survival system. And what you try
38:10to do then is you try to control
38:13and predict everything in your life. So,
38:15the arousal causes you to shift your
38:17attention from one person to another
38:19person to another meeting to another
38:21thing to another place to another time.
38:23And because you have a neurological
38:24network assigned to all of those
38:26elements, like a lightning storm in the
38:28clouds, your brain begins to
38:30compartmentalize. It begins to silo. And
38:33it begins to fire out of order. If you
38:36were to measure the brain when it does
38:37that, it's very incoherent.
38:40And when the brain is incoherent, we're
38:42incoherent.
38:44And the side effect of that
38:46is that we begin to become fragmented.
38:49We can't control our mind.
38:51And we're as you said earlier, we kind
38:53of get very narrow focused. We begin to
38:55overthink and overanalyze. And that's
38:57exactly what drives the brain further
39:00and further out of balance.
39:02So, what we discovered after years of
39:04study
39:06is kind of narrow convergent focus that
39:09many people are living by. They can't
39:11They can't imagine their future when
39:13you're living in survival. Why would
39:15you? It's not a time to create when
39:18Tyrannosaurus Rex is facing you. That
39:20primitive system is switched on, and all
39:22your attention is on yourself, right?
39:24You become very self-involved because in
39:26survival, you got to stay alive, and you
39:28got to put your attention on your body,
39:30all of the elements in your environment,
39:32and you're very obsessed about time.
39:35Turns out that if you do the exact
39:36opposite, and this is what our research
39:38shows,
39:39if you broaden your focus,
39:42and you begin to focus on space, on
39:44nothing,
39:45the act of sensing space
39:48and no longer thinking, and sensing and
39:51feeling space,
39:52causes those different compartments that
39:55were firing incoherently, out of order,
39:58they begin to synchronize. Those modules
40:01begin to form and connect with one
40:03another, and larger real estates a part
40:07of the brain begins to begin to fire
40:09more coherently.
40:10Brain begins to synchronize. And what
40:13syncs in the brain links in the brain.
40:15And we have fMRI studies on this. We
40:18have
40:19uh a lot of quantitative EEG studies on
40:21this. Doesn't matter how old you are,
40:24how young you are, what your gender,
40:27what you eat, where you're from, your
40:29socioeconomic status.
40:31Uh none of those elements matter.
40:34That when you when you do this properly,
40:36the brain begins to function more
40:38coherently and more organized. And when
40:40that happens, the brain gets highly
40:43creative. It gets It You're processing a
40:46different level of consciousness, a more
40:48holistic level of consciousness.
40:51So, that's called intention. The person
40:53all of a sudden can begin to imagine a
40:56future because they've moved from that
40:58survival state into a more creative
41:00state.
41:02At the same time, when they do that, you
41:04kind of see this psychic union going on
41:07between these two hemispheres.
41:09And modulation goes down, which means
41:11the brain's firing more holistically.
41:13The compartments are no longer divided.
41:15They're more unified.
41:17When that occurs, person's starting to
41:19feel more like themselves. Like, "Oh my
41:21god, I forgot. Like, this feels really
41:23great."
41:24At the same time, we see this kind of
41:27cooperation with the heart. Like, the
41:30heart all of a sudden begins to bloom.
41:32It starts to become very coherent as
41:34well.
41:34>> [gasps]
41:35>> Because when we're living in stress and
41:36we're living in survival,
41:38and a person's distracted, and they have
41:40kids and obligations and meetings and uh
41:43and they're fragmented like that, uh the
41:46arousal of those stress hormones, the
41:48person's not running, you know, exerting
41:50themselves running. They're not
41:51fighting, and they're not, you know,
41:53fleeing and hiding. Uh this this
41:56adrenaline that's causing the person to
41:58step on the gas and step on the brake at
42:00the same time. And the heart is beating
42:03against the closed system, right? So,
42:05the heart starts to beat out of order.
42:07And when it becomes incoherent,
42:09incoherent waves cancel each other out,
42:12and energy leaves the heart and you stop
42:14trusting
42:15and you stop connecting, you stop
42:17communicating.
42:19You stop being creative. The heart is
42:20the creative center. So, when the brain
42:22gets highly organized and synchronized
42:26you see this kind of energy move right
42:27into the heart.
42:29And the heart is the creative center. At
42:31the same time it resets the baseline for
42:34the trauma.
42:35We've seen beautiful brain scans on
42:37this. The heart begins to beat like a
42:39great drum very coherently, very
42:41orderly. It tells the brain to get
42:44creative and all of a sudden like
42:45grabbing a big sheet and going like
42:47this. It sends a wave of energy right to
42:50the brain and the brain moves into
42:52alpha.
42:53Now, alpha
42:55is the imaginary state.
42:57Alpha is when you imagine, it's when you
42:59dream, it's when you create. You no
43:01[snorts] longer hear the critic in your
43:02mind that's talking to you, Raj. You
43:04should think about this, about this.
43:06What if this happens or what that
43:07happens? That's the analytical mind,
43:08that's the critic in the brain. That's
43:10beta brain waves, right? Going to Going
43:12to stress, you go into very high beta.
43:14Now you're over aroused, right? Now
43:16you're overly alert, right? It's not a
43:19good brain state to create in. In fact,
43:21you're going to force, you're going to
43:22control, you're going to fight, you're
43:23going to compete. That's what you do in
43:25that state.
43:26When the heart informs the brain to
43:28become creative and
43:30the moment it moves into alpha, the
43:32critic shuts off and all of a sudden
43:35your brain starts to see in pictures.
43:38Starts to see in images. It's It's It's
43:40in a flow state. It's imagining and
43:42creating, right?
43:45And there's this kind of
43:46synchronization. It's so beautiful.
43:49Uh there's this kind of synchronization
43:50that goes on between the heart and the
43:52brain. All of a sudden there's this kind
43:54of connection where the heart and the
43:56brain start working together and we
43:59discovered
44:01that the more a person can relax into
44:04their heart, and we can train people to
44:05do this. The more they relax into their
44:08heart, the more energy goes to the
44:10brain.
44:11And you start seeing the brain moving
44:13into an
44:14really really elegant state.
44:16>> [gasps]
44:17>> You start seeing the baseline of the
44:19brain sometimes theta, which is deep
44:21sleep. The person's not sleeping, but
44:23there's a deep resonance to the brain
44:25where theta is starting producing
44:29a delta starting producing theta waves,
44:31right? So,
44:32there's waves on waves on waves in the
44:34brain.
44:35When that occurs, the person is feeling
44:38really good, right? So, relaxed in heart
44:42and awaken the brain.
44:44And we discovered that people do this
44:46with training really well.
44:49It's not difficult for them to imagine
44:51that future. They're in the perfect
44:52state to imagine. The challenge is
44:56overcoming their survival tendencies and
44:59getting their brain integrated, getting
45:01their heart integrated, and getting the
45:02two systems working together. So, we've
45:05seen this over and over again. Like,
45:08theta tends to be the place where you're
45:11very very suggestible
45:13to information. And that's when the door
45:16between the conscious mind and the
45:17subconscious mind is wide open. Now,
45:20remember 5% of your mind is your
45:23conscious mind, 95% is what we program
45:25subconsciously. What separates the two
45:27is the analytical mind. So, as you begin
45:29to slow your brain waves down, you get
45:31beyond your analytical mind, you open
45:33the door. And now you can reprogram
45:35because you're in the operating system.
45:36Now, you're in there. Theta is when that
45:39when that veil [clears throat] is
45:40completely gone. That's a hypnotic
45:42state. So, then you can then rehearse a
45:44new way of being. You could rehearse
45:47a
45:48a new life. You can decide what emotions
45:51you want to feel. The door is wide open.
45:53You can begin to
45:55reprogram yourself subconsciously. And
45:58when people sustain these states,
46:00Um,
46:01is, you know, when waves are kind of
46:03orderly. If If waves stay orderly and
46:05they begin to interfere with each other,
46:07they start building bigger waves. So, a
46:09person that's really, really practiced
46:11at this,
46:13they'll be their body will be in a light
46:15sleep. They'll be in a liminal state, a
46:18non-sleep deep rest state where the
46:21body's feel so safe
46:23that it could actually rest in that
46:26moment. And when they rest into their
46:27heart like that, some people
46:30have their baseline of theta. And then
46:33theta starts carrying alpha, and alpha
46:35starts carrying beta, and beta starts
46:37carrying high beta, and then high beta
46:39starts carrying gamma. And then when the
46:41person's in gamma,
46:42they're super conscious. They're no
46:43longer the program, and there's waves
46:45upon waves. That's called resonance in
46:47the brain.
46:48And that's when we start seeing networks
46:50recruiting and start organizing. And
46:53that's when, you know, the they're
46:54recruiting a lot more brain power. How
46:56long do you think it is possible for
46:58somebody
47:00in our generation who is
47:02constantly
47:04driven out of algorithm and not out of
47:07imagination to go from
47:10just feeling 20 things at the same time
47:13because of the feed that they have
47:14curated to go from that point to a state
47:17of nothing and then to a state of
47:19actually imagining and creating a future
47:21that you're talking about. How long does
47:22it take?
47:23If you come to an event, 2 days.
47:25Really?
47:26>> Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
47:28Doesn't it get really uncomfortable to
47:30sit with nothing and have and think
47:32nothing because you've never done it.
47:34Like most people have never done it.
47:36Yeah, I I think that um one of the
47:38things that I I think we accomplish
47:41really well
47:43um
47:44is that we never, ever, ever
47:47give a person um a meditation to do
47:50without a lot of teaching. I think
47:52knowledge and information is the
47:55forerunner to an experience. And so then
47:58every time you learn something new,
48:00you're making new connections in your
48:02brain. Like learning is forging new
48:03synaptic connections.
48:05>> [gasps]
48:05>> And the Nobel Prize uh researcher Kandel
48:08in the year 2000 found that if people
48:09just focus on one bit of information for
48:12an hour,
48:13one concept or one idea,
48:15they'll double the number of connections
48:17in their brain as a result of their
48:19interaction with the environment. But
48:21here's the catch.
48:23If you don't review it,
48:24if you don't think about it, and you
48:26don't repeat it, those circuits will
48:28prune apart within hours or days. So, if
48:31learning is making new synaptic
48:32connections, then remembering is
48:33maintaining and sustaining those
48:35connections, okay? So, what does that
48:37mean? That we give people a lot of
48:40information. I believe that science is
48:43the contemporary language of mysticism.
48:45I think science is what demystifies the
48:47mystical. So then before we ever tell a
48:49person to focus on nothing,
48:51uh
48:52they'll they'll give up in a short
48:53amount of time.
48:55But we explain, we combine quantum
48:57physics with neuroscience, and
48:59neuroendocrinology, and
49:01psychoneuroimmunology, the mind-body
49:03connection, epigenetics, Newtonian
49:05[snorts] physics, electromagnetism made
49:07really easily, right?
49:10>> [sighs and gasps]
49:10>> And they they understand the
49:11information, and then they have to teach
49:13that information to the person next to
49:15them. They have to teach it back to
49:16someone. They have to remind themselves
49:19of what they learned. And if they can
49:21remind themselves what they learned,
49:23nerve cells that fire together wire
49:25together, right? And if nothing is left
49:27to conjecture,
49:29to superstition, to dogma, and the
49:31person understands exactly what they're
49:34doing and why they're doing it, the how
49:37gets easier. When the how gets easier,
49:40because they understand the what and the
49:41why, they assign meaning to the task.
49:44And when they assign meaning to the
49:46task, they switch on their prefrontal
49:48cortex, you know, the boss of the brain.
49:50And the boss of the brain wants an
49:51outcome. I'm doing this intentionally
49:53because I want an outcome. Doing this
49:55with intention. I'm doing this
49:57meditation to make my brain more
49:58coherent when I do these following
50:00things. So, now the person's less likely
50:03to doubt or disbelieve when they
50:06understand the what and the why.
50:08If they can't explain it to the person
50:10next to them, it's not wired in their
50:11brain.
50:12So, we've done we do extensive teachings
50:15where people have to engage in the
50:17information
50:19and then teach it back to somebody
50:20before we get into the meditations. They
50:22have to build a model of understanding.
50:25It's so much easier to forget this
50:26information than to remember, right? So,
50:28you got to wire it in your brain.
50:30But, experience then is the great
50:31professor.
50:33If I can set up the conditions in the
50:34environment and I can give them the
50:36right instructions, if they can get
50:38their behaviors to match their
50:39intentions,
50:40if I can get their actions equal to
50:41their thoughts, if I can get their mind
50:43and body working together,
50:44>> [gasps]
50:44>> they're going to have a new experience.
50:46Now, experience enriches those
50:48philosophical circuits in the brain, but
50:49the end product of the experiences as
50:51we've been saying is an emotion. But,
50:52not fear,
50:54not unworthiness, not pain.
50:56This is a the experience that they're
50:58doing causes them to feel gratitude or
51:00unlimited or appreciation or love. And
51:04the moment they feel the emotion from
51:06the experience,
51:08they're teaching their body chemically
51:10to understand what their mind has
51:12intellectually understood. So, knowledge
51:14is for the mind and experience is for
51:16the body. In other words, the
51:17information is no longer just in the
51:18brain. The information's now in the
51:21body. They're embodying the truth of
51:22that philosophy, that theory. And now
51:24they understand it, right?
51:26And the And the chemical that's created
51:29from that emotion, that elevated
51:30emotion, is actually selecting and
51:32instructing new genes. It's new
51:34information for our biology. That's what
51:36we discovered.
51:37You've done it once, what does it mean?
51:39You should be able to do it again.
51:40If you can repeat the experience over
51:42and over again, neurologically and
51:44chemically, you'll neurochemically
51:46condition your mind and body to organize
51:49and work together as one.
51:51And when you've done something so many
51:52times that the body now knows how to do
51:53it better than the conscious mind, now
51:54it's innate in you. It's automatic.
51:56You've mastered that that philosophy.
51:59You've become that knowledge, right?
52:01It's a new state of being.
52:03Um
52:04And so, the first couple days is is
52:06important because
52:08there's a lot of information. Like, we
52:10just don't stay focused on nothing. We
52:12we explain what that void or that vacuum
52:14is. We We We give it a quantum
52:16understanding. We talk about how our
52:18senses plug us into reality and there's
52:20a there's more information in the
52:22inmaterial than there'll ever be in the
52:24material. And we you know, we we you
52:26know, we we design it in a way that's
52:28very engaging so that the average person
52:32And by the way, we have 8-year-old
52:34children, 10-year-old We had a We had a
52:36We did a 10-day event in Cancun just the
52:38last week.
52:40Um
52:41for advanced students. And we had a
52:4313-year-old little girl from from Italy
52:46that went through the whole entire
52:47thing, did every meditation. She was
52:49spot on. And who's that Who's she going
52:51to be, you know, in in 10 years from
52:54now?
52:55Uh so,
52:57we want We want to give people um
53:00enough tools so that when they go back
53:02into their life, they know exactly what
53:05they're doing and why they're doing it.
53:07Before I ask you my next question, I
53:09want my audience to just s- revise this
53:13one
53:15one sort of concept, which is alpha,
53:17beta, gamma, theta, delta. Explain me in
53:20one one line and simple words what is
53:23alpha, what is beta, what is gamma, what
53:25is delta, what is theta. These are my
53:26Yeah, that's fine. So, you and I are
53:28talking right now, right? And we're
53:30conscious and awake. And your brain is
53:33trying to create meaning between what's
53:34going on out here and what's going on
53:37inside you, right? And because your
53:39senses plug you into your environment,
53:41you got to integrate everything you're
53:42seeing and hearing and smelling and
53:44tasting and feeling, right? And when the
53:46brain is integrating all this
53:47information, it goes into a a brain wave
53:50state called beta brain waves. So, when
53:52you're conscious and most of your
53:54attention is pretty much on your outer
53:55environment, you're in beta.
53:58If I said to you, Raj,
53:59um I forgot to tell you there's going to
54:00be a quiz that you have to take,
54:03you know,
54:04uh at the end of this podcast, you would
54:06kind of perk up a little bit more and
54:08you kind of lean in and you know, you
54:09would move into a little bit higher beta
54:11brain wave state.
54:12Then when you're really stressed and
54:14you're angry or you're fearful or you're
54:16uh frustrated or you're uh resentful or
54:19judgmental, you're in that high beta
54:21brain wave state. That's three times
54:23higher than resting beta, right? That's
54:26the alarm system in the brain. Some
54:27people get stuck there and they need
54:29something to do or take to take to bring
54:31their brain waves down.
54:33>> [gasps]
54:33>> So, as you begin to slow your brain
54:35waves down and more of your attention
54:37kind of goes on your inner environment,
54:39you begin to slow your breath down. We
54:41discovered that slowing your breathing
54:43down slows your brain waves down. You
54:45start to relax
54:46and you start taking more attention off
54:48your outer environment, you close your
54:50eyes,
54:51your inner world starts becoming more
54:53real than your outer world and the brain
54:55waves are a little bit slower, right?
54:57And that's alpha.
54:58>> [gasps]
54:58>> And you do this when you drive your car.
55:01If you're driving on the freeway for a
55:03couple hours and you're just kind of
55:05glancing straight ahead, your brain
55:07typically kind of pauses for a minute
55:09and you start seeing images and
55:11pictures. You're naturally going to
55:12alpha.
55:14Um so, it's an easy state to get into
55:16and many people can get into alpha uh
55:18pretty naturally. And that is the
55:20creative state. Imaginary state.
55:23Theta is when your body is asleep and
55:25resting and you're conscious and awake.
55:27You're conscious in your subconscious
55:29mind and there's no filter. There's no
55:31analytical mind. It's going straight in
55:33there and you can literally drop a
55:35program or a new idea into the
55:37subconscious mind.
55:38Uh theta is that hypnotic state.
55:42Delta
55:43is when your body is in a deep resting
55:45state of sleep. It's kind of catatonic
55:48and it's restoring and repairing. Now,
55:50we used to think that that was the only
55:51thing that theta was.
55:54But we have some really really advanced
55:55students
55:57that actually can have a baseline theta
55:59where their body is looks like it's
56:01asleep and they're awake and they have
56:04they have delta, theta, alpha, beta,
56:08high beta and then gamma. Think about
56:10gamma as superconsciousness or super
56:13awareness. You're a very alert, very
56:16clear. You're not in a program.
56:19You're relaxed and awake instead of
56:20stressed out, unconscious and in a
56:23program. So, gamma is that kind of
56:25elevated state of superconsciousness.
56:28How long does it take for somebody to go
56:30from beta to gamma?
56:32>> That's a great question. Uh they have to
56:34drop down into theta, most people.
56:37They have to drop down into theta and
56:40really get into that super relaxed and
56:42awake state. And then once they're in
56:44that theta state, that's when they climb
56:46up to gamma. And some people we have
56:48people in our community that can drop
56:50into into that state in 4 seconds, 5
56:53seconds, 13 seconds, you know, a minute.
56:56They They've just practiced it enough
56:57times.
56:58They know how to do it. And uh just like
57:00anything else, if you practice, you get
57:02good at it. How long do you think if
57:04somebody's never done meditation,
57:06how long does it take them from going to
57:08their current state to this? Like, is it
57:10years? Is it months? Okay. So, first of
57:13all, uh that's a great question and I
57:15want to answer this uh really really
57:18objectively.
57:19Many times uh a person's mother
57:23will bring them or their spouse will
57:25bring them and the person's never
57:26meditated before and they're just like,
57:28I don't know about this.
57:30When we test those people's brains,
57:32sometimes they they have the best brain
57:34scans because they have no preconception
57:39of what to do. Like a lot of men that
57:41come with their wives,
57:43they're like,
57:45"I don't know anything about Tell me
57:47what to do. I'm going to do exactly what
57:49you tell me to do." They do exactly what
57:51we tell them to do, and they have really
57:53profound experiences.
57:55Um so,
57:56um
57:58whether you're whether you're an
57:59advanced meditator or not, um if you
58:02follow the instructions, many people
58:04will will drop in uh uh pretty easily
58:07and pretty naturally. In fact, our data
58:09shows like this is what our data says.
58:11>> [gasps]
58:12>> Our data says that
58:14novice meditators, right? People who
58:16have never meditated before, they come
58:18to our events, they're kind of curious,
58:19but they're not sure.
58:20>> Yeah. Um novice meditators who really
58:23don't have never meditated before, and
58:25that's the majority of our It's usually
58:2775 to 80% of our week-long retreat
58:30people.
58:31At the end of 7 days,
58:34they look like advanced meditators. Not
58:37only in their brain,
58:38but in their biology. In other words,
58:40they're At the end of 7 days, they're
58:42producing thousands of metabolites in
58:46their blood,
58:48and gene expression, proteins that
58:51suggest that they're living in a whole
58:53new environment, and they're in a
58:54ballroom. In other words, they're
58:56epigenetically changing
58:59without relying on anything outside of
59:00them. And that's 80% of the people that
59:04are novice meditators at the end of 7
59:06days look like they're living in a whole
59:08new life, and they're in a ballroom.
59:10And they're they're manufacturing all
59:12kinds of chemicals that are pro-life,
59:15pro-growth, pro-restoration.
59:18Crazy.
59:18>> I'm not I'm not saying that. That's what
59:20the data's saying.
59:22You know, because
59:23>> [gasps]
59:23>> you know, it's the
59:24Last night I was we were talking the
59:26deep we were talking to the team and we
59:28all were discussing while we were
59:29searching for you
59:30that
59:31we were just saying like after listening
59:33to you for so many times
59:35I am one of those
59:37I'm like yes meditation is a thing
59:40but I've never explored it and I'm I'm
59:42not there yet like I don't maybe
59:45it's not for me so you know
59:46>> You want me just me say one thing about
59:48that? Um just to clarify it. Um we don't
59:51do any traditional meditation, you know,
59:55I noticed that in my own personal
59:57teaching experience on my journey. The
59:59moment you talk tradition
1:00:01or religion or culture, you're going to
1:00:04divide an audience, right? They're going
1:00:06to Someone's going to shut off. You have
1:00:08to use science, right? That's the
1:00:09language that we use.
1:00:12And so um
1:00:14what we what I discovered uh in in my
1:00:17own personal journey
1:00:19is that if you if you people the right
1:00:21information and you make learning fun
1:00:23and you make it easy, our meditations
1:00:26don't follow any of the tradition. I'm
1:00:28looking at brain scans. I know the
1:00:30words.
1:00:32I know the music. I know the timing. I
1:00:34know we have studied this so well. I
1:00:36know what works and what doesn't work.
1:00:39There's no tradition to our meditation
1:00:41at all. Um we do all kinds of
1:00:43meditations
1:00:44in a 7-day retreat. You're not just
1:00:46sitting there focusing on your breathing
1:00:48or not we we we're way past that point.
1:00:52We use meditation to change to go from
1:00:54the old self to the new self. We use
1:00:57meditation to get beyond your body, your
1:00:59environment, and time. We use meditation
1:01:01to connect to that invisible field of
1:01:03information, the quantum field that
1:01:05exists beyond the senses
1:01:07uh that people really can begin to
1:01:08interact with. Um and we use meditation
1:01:11to get beyond the analytical mind to
1:01:13reprogram ourselves. So, you're not
1:01:15going to hear that you know, our
1:01:16scientists that come from all over the
1:01:18country
1:01:20uh
1:01:21they just they they walk in there
1:01:24thinking that everybody's going to be
1:01:25wearing white and there's going to be,
1:01:27you know, lavender and mist and you This
1:01:30is not how our events are. We're very
1:01:32engaging and they're very contemporary.
1:01:35And they're fun. They're like a like a
1:01:37like a rave, you know, they're very
1:01:38active.
1:01:39Um I want to make it really
1:01:41reachable for every person. I don't want
1:01:44I don't want it to be where it's so
1:01:46exclusive that you have to work really
1:01:48hard. Now, I'm not saying that you
1:01:50you're not going to have to face off
1:01:51with yourself
1:01:53for sure, but I'm pretty confident after
1:01:5564 week-long retreats
1:01:59um that the majority of those people, as
1:02:01I said, our data is
1:02:03is is pretty much over 80% of the
1:02:06population has some type of change. So,
1:02:08we don't do meditation the traditional
1:02:10sense. I'm using language based on our
1:02:13language specialists. We we I can tell
1:02:15you that
1:02:17at the end of 7 days, a person's
1:02:19language is different. Their voice tone
1:02:21is different. Their face is different.
1:02:24Their microbiome is different without
1:02:25changing their diet, drastically
1:02:27different. Their brain is different.
1:02:29Their heart is different. Their blood is
1:02:31dramatically different. Their
1:02:32microbiome, I said, their their gene
1:02:34expression is different. Uh their breath
1:02:36is different. Their breast milk is
1:02:38different.
1:02:40Everything changes when a person
1:02:42changes.
1:02:44All of this
1:02:45Okay, if if I do this, will I have proof
1:02:47for all of this? Yeah, pretty much,
1:02:49yeah. I mean, I think I think, you know,
1:02:51the you know, one of the things that I'm
1:02:53super happy with is that the research
1:02:56that we've done, we just published a
1:02:58great paper.
1:02:59The the research that we've done really
1:03:01points the finger at the fact that you
1:03:03can change and you can do it in 7 days.
1:03:05And that's super exciting.
1:03:07You talk about that research, but I I
1:03:09want to talk about
1:03:11a bad habit that I have. Okay, it's a
1:03:15it's almost like a good habit and a bad
1:03:16habit, because
1:03:18I have problem in my life where I see my
1:03:22friends and family members who are
1:03:23stuck. I get uncomfortable when I hear
1:03:26my loved ones are stuck somewhere. Maybe
1:03:28it's because of money, it's because of
1:03:29some emotional pattern, maybe it's
1:03:31because of bad relationship. I don't
1:03:32know, wherever they are. I want them to
1:03:34like quit and just start something new
1:03:36and just move on from that, right?
1:03:39Sometimes it is great because people
1:03:41have taken my advice and help to move
1:03:43over, and sometimes it's bad because
1:03:45uh before even trying to fix it, I'm
1:03:47like just just get away from this
1:03:49feeling of stuck. Uh that's right.
1:03:52But
1:03:53what I've noticed
1:03:55a lot of times people don't want to get
1:03:58out of it.
1:04:00Is it possible that you can help someone
1:04:02transform when they don't want to
1:04:04transform?
1:04:06Probably not. I mean, I figured I think
1:04:09one of the most impossible things in the
1:04:11universe is a closed mind. I mean, every
1:04:14you know, you have to honor free will.
1:04:16And I think that comes with I think that
1:04:18just comes with experience or with maybe
1:04:20just age, I don't know. You you realize
1:04:23that when the person's ready to change,
1:04:25uh they'll change. In fact, um I never
1:04:28offer advice to people in my life unless
1:04:30I'm asked.
1:04:31That's just really a healthy way to do
1:04:33it. I'll be I'll love them. I'll be
1:04:35inspiring. Uh I'll be my best for them.
1:04:39Um but I won't offer advice unless I'm
1:04:41asked.
1:04:42>> Is there a pattern that they they love
1:04:43to be stuck or they just don't want to
1:04:45get out of it?
1:04:46>> I don't think that's it. I think Well,
1:04:49yeah, I think there's two reasons, and
1:04:51they're kind of kind of related. Um the
1:04:54hardest part about change is not making
1:04:56the same choice as you did the day
1:04:58before.
1:05:00And to unstick yourself means you have
1:05:02to move from the known [snorts] to the
1:05:05unknown. And when you step into the
1:05:07unknown, it's unpredictable. There's a
1:05:08lot of uncertainty. Things aren't
1:05:10familiar. Uh you're you're you're not
1:05:14you're not in you know that the past any
1:05:16longer and many people would rather
1:05:18cling to their suffering
1:05:20or their challenging life than to take a
1:05:24chance and possibility because they they
1:05:26don't know what that would bring for
1:05:28them. So so they stay there
1:05:31uh
1:05:32because the the unknown is a scary place
1:05:34for them. Turns out the unknown is the
1:05:37perfect place to create from. It is it
1:05:39is the place that we actually can create
1:05:42something new from. We can't create
1:05:43anything new from the known.
1:05:45So then
1:05:46the second reason really is just those
1:05:48very strong addictive emotions. Like
1:05:51the person may be using let's say
1:05:53they're let's say they're addicted to
1:05:54fear, right?
1:05:56Um and they may be using a person or a
1:05:59situation in their life to reaffirm
1:06:02their addiction to that emotion, right?
1:06:05And in time they become addicted to a
1:06:07life
1:06:08that they don't even like, right? And
1:06:10that's why change is so hard because
1:06:13with any addiction
1:06:14you overdose,
1:06:16there's bad trips,
1:06:18um
1:06:19yeah, there's rehab
1:06:21and when you're overcoming some type of
1:06:23an addiction the body is really craving
1:06:26something, right? And so
1:06:28uh
1:06:29many people can't move past the
1:06:32addiction to that emotion until it gets
1:06:34really bad.
1:06:36And and for many people it's got to
1:06:37human nature it's got to get so bad
1:06:40where this intolerable where they
1:06:42finally say I have to make another
1:06:43choice.
1:06:46You say that one of the hardest things
1:06:48to do is breaking the habit of being
1:06:50yourself.
1:06:51But in society like ours, in Indian
1:06:55society, Asian society, right?
1:06:57You your identity is not only who you
1:07:00are, your identity is a lot decided by
1:07:03where you're born
1:07:05the community you're in, the society
1:07:06you're in, the family or in the religion
1:07:08you're born in and
1:07:10you don't have absolute freedom to
1:07:14create your new self. You there is
1:07:17certain expectations from you. There is
1:07:19certain level of
1:07:22legacy
1:07:23of sorts. There is certain level of
1:07:27rules and regulations of a particular
1:07:29religion or a place or community, right?
1:07:31There There's so many things that decide
1:07:33your identity. In some places your
1:07:35identity decided even before you're
1:07:37born.
1:07:38How do you break free of this
1:07:42this whole identity which is expected
1:07:45out of you? How do you break and become
1:07:47free of
1:07:48something you didn't even choose? Every
1:07:50every charismatic leader in history was
1:07:53uncompromising.
1:07:54Good or bad, they were just they led
1:07:57because
1:07:58they weren't going to be defined by any
1:08:00of those things. To change is to be
1:08:02greater than your environment. That's
1:08:04what it really means. That no person, no
1:08:07circumstance, no condition would get in
1:08:09the way of your dream. That doesn't mean
1:08:10you have to be mean-spirited or arrogant
1:08:13or abusive. It's just that you have to
1:08:16give yourself the freedom
1:08:19to trust yourself to live the life that
1:08:21you want. And for me, that's really a
1:08:23high value. It's really a super high
1:08:25value because
1:08:27if we allow our culture or our family or
1:08:32our friends or even our loved ones
1:08:35to to to to decide or control how we're
1:08:40going to live our life consciously or
1:08:42unconsciously, we'll never know freedom.
1:08:44Especially if we're living for someone
1:08:46else's happiness. Right? So, I I I think
1:08:49you know, at 29, this is a good question
1:08:51because you you know, you struggle with,
1:08:54"Oh my god, I'm I'm breaking free from
1:08:56my family. I'm I want to go out on my
1:08:58own. I have I want to do these things.
1:09:00My My parents may not understand." I
1:09:02mean, my parents just thought I was
1:09:03just, you know,
1:09:05way out there, but they always They
1:09:07always kind of supported me, right? And
1:09:10and I and I and I wanted to deliver
1:09:12uh because I wasn't doing it for any
1:09:14other reason but to investigate what is
1:09:16you know, what is the meaning of life.
1:09:19So, I think that that I think that it's
1:09:21healthy to ask this question right now,
1:09:23because you are at this age.
1:09:25Um but I think, you know, if you're
1:09:26sincere
1:09:27and you're you're kind and you're loving
1:09:30and you make the choice for yourself,
1:09:33you'll always be respected for that. Uh
1:09:36if you make a choice for another person
1:09:38and you don't fulfill what you really
1:09:40feel in your heart or what brings you
1:09:42the greatest joy,
1:09:44>> [gasps]
1:09:45>> you'll either resent the people that you
1:09:47that you love or resent yourself or uh
1:09:50uh you know, shrink into mediocrity or
1:09:52reach a point where you're just going to
1:09:53finally make up your mind to do it. So,
1:09:56if it's something that burns in your
1:09:58soul and is something that you really
1:10:00want to follow, I think it's I you know,
1:10:02I tell my children this all the time,
1:10:04go.
1:10:05Like, just learn from your mistakes, you
1:10:07know, dust yourself off if it doesn't
1:10:09work out. Ask yourself if it if if I'm
1:10:12facing this situation again, how would I
1:10:14do it differently? What did I learn from
1:10:16it? Yeah, and and continue on your
1:10:18journey. There's no right or wrong path.
1:10:21For I For a young person to ask this
1:10:23question means that you're up against it
1:10:25on some level.
1:10:27And it really you you your real question
1:10:28is
1:10:30you want to have a fulfilling life,
1:10:31right? And that fulfilling life is your
1:10:33journey. And and
1:10:35it there there are dark nights of the
1:10:37soul in evolution where you realize that
1:10:40nobody gets you. Yeah. Uh because
1:10:42they're not you.
1:10:43And you know, you can't go back, right?
1:10:45You can't go that way any longer because
1:10:48it just doesn't feel right. And you got
1:10:50to go this way and and and you can't ask
1:10:53anybody their opinion because they're
1:10:54not you, right? And this is a moment of
1:10:56reckoning where you just got to you got
1:10:58to make that choice for yourself. So,
1:11:01um it is a challenge to live to live
1:11:04authentically. [snorts]
1:11:05Uh
1:11:06but but there's nothing wrong with
1:11:08having an identity or personality. We
1:11:10all do.
1:11:11But when it comes time to create, you
1:11:14got to be able to lay that character
1:11:15down. You got to be able to drop Raj and
1:11:17become pure consciousness. You got to
1:11:19lay down the identity or the character.
1:11:21And And that's exactly what we call
1:11:23getting beyond yourself. Turns out when
1:11:26you come back, when you get beyond
1:11:27yourself,
1:11:29the side effect is that you're more
1:11:30kind, you're more caring, you're more
1:11:32loving, you're more present, you're more
1:11:34free, uh you know, um you don't really
1:11:36care like what people think any longer,
1:11:38um uh
1:11:39and and and you're more tolerant, more
1:11:42more patient. It's the side effect of
1:11:45overcoming yourself.
1:11:47Does that mean that
1:11:49you cut off people who are trying to
1:11:51pull you back? Because sometimes you
1:11:53don't want to cut them, and and you love
1:11:56your people, but they are causing an
1:11:58environment which is toxic and pulling
1:12:00you back to the darkness.
1:12:02So, you want to break free,
1:12:04but if you break free, there's a sort of
1:12:06guilt that
1:12:07am I doing the right thing or wrong
1:12:08thing?
1:12:10Yeah, I mean, like
1:12:11>> cut off or no? Like, what do you do
1:12:12then? Uh I think there's only two
1:12:14options.
1:12:15If you can If you can behave differently
1:12:18around those people,
1:12:20or let me say it another way,
1:12:23um
1:12:24if you can be less uh reactionary or
1:12:27less unconscious,
1:12:29and that may take you really thinking
1:12:31about, you know, I mean, parents and
1:12:32family are the biggest challenge, right?
1:12:34Because Well, they're so close to us,
1:12:36right? And they can push buttons
1:12:38automatically, right?
1:12:40So, if you can behave differently or not
1:12:42react or stay conscious around those
1:12:45people,
1:12:47then by all means, do it. But also,
1:12:49there may be a period of time where you
1:12:51may have to separate yourself from
1:12:53certain people and certain things at
1:12:56certain times because
1:12:57they remind you too much of
1:13:00your you're the self that you no longer
1:13:02want to be, right? And I've done that in
1:13:04my life where I've just been like
1:13:06I need a break. Uh if they love me
1:13:09they'll get it, right? And that's when
1:13:11you just kind of work on you and then
1:13:13when you're really happy with you and
1:13:15this is again what our data shows.
1:13:17When you're really happy with you,
1:13:18you're happy with everybody. Like
1:13:20there's nobody that and and your
1:13:22oxytocin levels go we have this
1:13:23research, right? And when your oxytocin
1:13:25levels go up, it's impossible to hold a
1:13:27grudge. It's you you rather feel this
1:13:29way than any other way, right?
1:13:31So
1:13:33there's no right or wrong answer
1:13:35but I do think if you're truly in the
1:13:37river of change, if you're truly wanting
1:13:39to change, sometimes you have to like
1:13:42avoid certain experiences with certain
1:13:44people at certain times at certain
1:13:46places
1:13:47because you could fall back very easily
1:13:49back into the same state. And and when
1:13:52you finally make that transformation and
1:13:53change, you'll know because when you
1:13:55show up and you're around them,
1:13:57there's no longer a charge or no longer
1:13:59a button that that's how you know you've
1:14:01changed, yeah.
1:14:02Why do you think why people fail?
1:14:04There are so many people who do the
1:14:06right thing.
1:14:07You you've dealt with thousands of
1:14:09people.
1:14:10They're doing everything right but
1:14:12they're still not able to change and
1:14:13create a new reality. They're not able
1:14:15to
1:14:16build a better life. What are
1:14:18specifically if you can give me, what
1:14:20are like top two or three things that
1:14:23people do wrong which is why they're not
1:14:25able to change at all? Many people, you
1:14:26know, will will say, "Oh my god, I'm I'm
1:14:29doing the work. Uh I'm I'm dedicating uh
1:14:3345 minutes a day to my meditations. I
1:14:36haven't seen much change my life. I'm
1:14:38happier. I'm you know, I feel better but
1:14:41I'm not seeing the changes I want in my
1:14:43life." It it doesn't mean
1:14:46that the principles don't work for that
1:14:49person.
1:14:50That means that there's some blind spot,
1:14:54some place where they're not seeing
1:14:57themselves that they need to look. I
1:14:59mean, this is the tough part, right?
1:15:03And there's so many variables, Raj,
1:15:04because some people will get in the
1:15:06routine of doing the same
1:15:08uh
1:15:09meditation every day and there it's
1:15:12become such a routine that they have no
1:15:14meaning.
1:15:15They don't understand the what and the
1:15:16why any longer and it's just another
1:15:18thing they have to doing to to do the
1:15:19right thing or to please God or to be
1:15:22more perfect or whatever. None of that
1:15:24matters, right?
1:15:26And then other people um have a great
1:15:2945-minute meditation
1:15:31and then they get up and they spend the
1:15:33next 16 hours of their day stressed out,
1:15:36unconscious, and living in a program.
1:15:38Okay, so what was the purpose of
1:15:40meditation?
1:15:41The purpose of meditation
1:15:43is to be more mindful in your life.
1:15:46You practice that so that when you're in
1:15:49your life, you don't go unconscious.
1:15:51That's why you do it, right? So, the
1:15:53person may have 1 hour 45-minute great
1:15:56meditation. It's happened to all of us.
1:15:58And then they spend the rest of their
1:15:59day living in the hormones of stress or
1:16:01living in fear or living out of balance
1:16:03and you got to do the math, like 1 hour
1:16:0645 minutes against this amount of time.
1:16:09You got to get really good at doing it
1:16:11with your eyes open.
1:16:12And many people that heal from
1:16:15uh health conditions in our work, it's
1:16:18really interesting because that's
1:16:19exactly what happens. They'll say, "Hey,
1:16:22I started doing the work. I'm sleeping
1:16:24better.
1:16:25Uh I have less pain.
1:16:27I have more energy.
1:16:29Um I feel happier. I feel better, but my
1:16:33di- my my my scans and my blood tests
1:16:37really haven't changed much."
1:16:39They don't go, "Oh my God, it it's not
1:16:41going to work for me. What they say is,
1:16:43okay,
1:16:44what am I doing here? What is What am I
1:16:46missing?
1:16:47Oh my god, I Every time I do my
1:16:49meditation, I feel great, but then I see
1:16:52my ex, or I see my co-worker, or I see
1:16:55my mother-in-law, or I see my father, or
1:16:57my brother, or whatever, and I react.
1:17:00Uh, if I'm reacting
1:17:03and feeling the same emotion, I just
1:17:05defaulted.
1:17:07I return back to my old self, and it's
1:17:09seamless. Because the moment you feel
1:17:11that emotion when you react, you behave
1:17:13as if you're in your past, and you
1:17:15believe in your past. And it's so
1:17:16seamless that we can go unconscious in a
1:17:18matter of seconds. So, the person then
1:17:20says,
1:17:22I want life.
1:17:24I want health.
1:17:25I want healing
1:17:27more than my resentment or or anger
1:17:29towards my co-worker.
1:17:32Uh, what would greatness look like? What
1:17:33would love do? Uh, that means I got to
1:17:36be more kind and more compassionate.
1:17:38Uh, I don't know if I want to Well, if
1:17:40it means my life,
1:17:41>> [gasps]
1:17:41>> I'm going to try it out. So, then they
1:17:43close their eyes, and they start to
1:17:44rehearse.
1:17:46When I see my co-worker,
1:17:48I'm going to remind myself what I'm not
1:17:49going to do. I'm going to remind myself
1:17:51what I am going to do. And as they
1:17:53rehearse the act in their mind over and
1:17:54over again, as I said earlier, they're
1:17:56starting to insult install some
1:17:58circuitry. They're priming their brain.
1:18:00If they keep doing it enough times,
1:18:02enough times, enough times, enough
1:18:03times, it's going to become more
1:18:04automatic, right? It's going to become
1:18:06more like a software program. So, then
1:18:08they they get in the presence of their
1:18:10co-worker, they get in the presence of
1:18:12their ex, or their mother-in-law,
1:18:15whoever,
1:18:16and they they get their behaviors to
1:18:18match their intentions. And when they
1:18:19do, they create a new experience. And
1:18:20the experience produces a different
1:18:22emotion, and they're like, "Oh my god, I
1:18:24felt compassion and love for that
1:18:26person,
1:18:28and I don't know what happened. It all
1:18:30shifted for me." Now,
1:18:32that's good medicine right there. That's
1:18:35real medicine right there. So, the
1:18:37person then goes, "Oh my god, now
1:18:41I've mastered that emotion and I've
1:18:44mastered my creation, right?" So they're
1:18:46getting really good at evolving
1:18:48themselves. So
1:18:50certain people may not want to light a
1:18:52match in a dark place and say, "No, you
1:18:54know what? I'm never going to forgive
1:18:56that person.
1:18:57I'm never going to You know, I'm never
1:18:59going to hate stop hating that person."
1:19:02Well,
1:19:03>> [laughter]
1:19:04>> is the hate that you're feeling is like
1:19:06is like drinking poison and hoping the
1:19:08other person's going to have an effect,
1:19:10right?
1:19:11The only person that that is affecting
1:19:13is you. Justified or not. The hormones
1:19:16of stress down regulate genes and create
1:19:18disease. So the person has to say,
1:19:21"Oh my god, like I got to change. I got
1:19:23to forgive." And by the way, if you if
1:19:26you practice being in your heart, it's
1:19:28not hard to forgive. I mean, when you're
1:19:30feeling that feeling
1:19:32it's it's very easy to forgive. It's not
1:19:34like you're really trying to forgive the
1:19:36person. You're feeling so good. You're
1:19:38like, "You're good. I'm good. Let's go.
1:19:40Like I'm free." That's
1:19:43that's what the side effect of the work
1:19:45is when a person's really looking. So
1:19:48I think sometimes it's a
1:19:50person defaults automatically and they
1:19:53go unconscious. We all do it.
1:19:55I think that sometimes people um
1:19:58they forget why they're doing it or what
1:20:00they're doing is just become another
1:20:01routine. They don't really they haven't
1:20:03really thought it through and really
1:20:05said, "Okay, I'm doing this for this
1:20:06intention."
1:20:08I think people sometimes give up on
1:20:09themselves and that becomes a habit.
1:20:12They don't really get into it. They
1:20:14really don't really invest themselves
1:20:16like cuz they don't believe that they on
1:20:18a on a deep level that they can change.
1:20:21Um so there's a lot of factors. Um some
1:20:23people would only do a a short little
1:20:26meditation and think their life is going
1:20:28to like blow up and you know, they're
1:20:30they're to be abundant tomorrow, it's
1:20:31unrealistic, right? Um
1:20:35if a person wants to be, let's just pick
1:20:37healthy or abundant, right? And this is
1:20:39their dream of being healthy and or
1:20:41abundant, and this is the personality
1:20:44who's in lack or feeling unhealthy or is
1:20:47unhealthy.
1:20:48You got to agree with me, in order for
1:20:50this person this person to arrive here,
1:20:53they got to make a lot of different
1:20:54choices and do a lot of different things
1:20:56and create a whole lot of new
1:20:57experiences to finally when they become
1:20:59this person,
1:21:01they're going to change along the way,
1:21:02right? So, some people really may not be
1:21:05honest with themselves
1:21:08to see if they're really changing,
1:21:09right? They
1:21:11You know when you're really changing
1:21:12because you stop talking about it,
1:21:14right? That's when you know you're
1:21:14getting close.
1:21:16But, 99% of the people they don't
1:21:18change. That's true. A lot of people a
1:21:20lot of people, you know,
1:21:22uh
1:21:23default automatically back to the to the
1:21:26same personality.
1:21:27Um but, if you give them the if you give
1:21:28them this the information uh and uh they
1:21:33understand that really well and they're
1:21:34practicing,
1:21:35that's what I think I'm the most proud
1:21:37of when it comes to our community. I
1:21:39think I'm the most proud of our
1:21:40community because we're doers. Like,
1:21:42there's there's too many stories of
1:21:43transformation that we have now where
1:21:45the person has changed their life in
1:21:47dramatic ways. I hear it all the time.
1:21:50And they prove to themselves that
1:21:52they're the creator of their life. It's
1:21:54That's what I want for them.
1:21:56So, if you don't know how to change
1:21:59and you don't know what change is,
1:22:02then more than likely you're going to
1:22:03stay the same person. But, if we
1:22:05demystify it and you understand what
1:22:07change is, and you understand all those
1:22:10things that you have that are, you know,
1:22:12subconsciously programmed, I guarantee
1:22:15you that if you truly are sincere about
1:22:18it, um
1:22:19you won't go you you won't want to go
1:22:21back because you're you're you're
1:22:22feeling very differently. So, I just
1:22:24think, you know,
1:22:25um many people just don't know how they
1:22:27may They may know what they want to
1:22:28change or why they want to change. They
1:22:30just don't know how to change.
1:22:32So, explain me differences, okay? Like
1:22:35according to science, like what's going
1:22:37on. So, I'm going to give you like two
1:22:38or three
1:22:40situation thoughts, like just simple
1:22:43things, like what's happening?
1:22:44>> [snorts]
1:22:44>> Let's say there's somebody who is
1:22:4899% of the world, which is people normal
1:22:51people.
1:22:53They get up. They think about
1:22:56a deadline and they're thinking about,
1:22:57"Okay, if I don't do this, then I'm
1:22:58going to lose this opportunity. I'm
1:23:00going to do this and that." And then
1:23:01emotionally charged about it. They're
1:23:02operating out of fear.
1:23:04versus somebody who is operating out of
1:23:07gratefulness and be like, "There's an
1:23:09opportunity. I want to do it. And I'll
1:23:11do it because there's so much abundance
1:23:12and I want to create my new reality and
1:23:14all the things that you're teaching."
1:23:16What happens when somebody feels like
1:23:20deadline, deadline, deadline, I'm going
1:23:22to get finished versus somebody who
1:23:23feels abundance and gratefulness and
1:23:25great future.
1:23:26In their body, in their mind, in their
1:23:28brain, what is the difference?
1:23:30>> Yeah, well, it's really simple. It's
1:23:31back to that same principle.
1:23:33The person who sees it
1:23:35as a deadline
1:23:37is perceiving reality through the lens
1:23:39of their past, through the emotion that
1:23:42they're experiencing. And in the person
1:23:44who's seeing the possibility in a state
1:23:47of gratitude is feeling the emotion of
1:23:50the event before it's happened. But
1:23:52what's happening in the brain? Like
1:23:53what's happening in the body if I think
1:23:55and operate from past?
1:23:57Ah, well, you're So, so the person who's
1:23:59operating from uh from the past is
1:24:02usually trying to predict the future
1:24:04based on the past and they're working
1:24:06pretty much off a part of the brain
1:24:08called the default mode network.
1:24:10Default mode network is the brain's
1:24:12predictor. Like you say, "Okay, I've had
1:24:14these experiences. I've done these
1:24:16things. It's never going to change
1:24:18because I know it's going to be be like
1:24:20my past." And you don't do that
1:24:22consciously. You kind of do that
1:24:24unconsciously because the default mode
1:24:26network is always trying to lay down a
1:24:28known, try to predict the next moment.
1:24:31And it's just like if I tossed you a
1:24:32ball,
1:24:34the default mode network would be like
1:24:35your body just, you know, predicting
1:24:37where the ball is going to go and it
1:24:38just kind of grabs it. It's that
1:24:40automatic, right? So, the brain is
1:24:42naturally trying to predict the future
1:24:43based on the past.
1:24:45The challenge with that is it consumes
1:24:48an enormous amount of energy in the
1:24:50brain. Like
1:24:52almost all the energy in the brain. It
1:24:53takes a lot to shut that thing off.
1:24:56Our data shows that in 7 days you can
1:24:59shut that part of the brain off. And if
1:25:01you're not predicting the future,
1:25:04you're in the present moment.
1:25:06>> [snorts]
1:25:06>> And when you're in the present moment,
1:25:08you uh you you you are way more
1:25:10creative, you're way more poised, you're
1:25:13way more spontaneous, the brain is more
1:25:15integrated.
1:25:16And what we discovered is those people
1:25:18that do it, and it's the majority of the
1:25:20people,
1:25:21when they open their eyes after the
1:25:23meditation's over, with their eyes open,
1:25:26that that default mode network is still
1:25:28shut off in their brain. So, they're
1:25:29still present as if they're meditating,
1:25:31but they're not in a, you know, they're
1:25:32not meditating with their eyes closed.
1:25:35That place what is when the brain really
1:25:38begins to reboot itself. And that's when
1:25:39you get creative ideas, that's when you
1:25:42trust yourself, uh that's when you're um
1:25:45you're excited and, you know,
1:25:46enthusiastic and full of energy about
1:25:49what you're seeing your your what you're
1:25:51seeing makes sense to you. It, you know,
1:25:52you you believe in it on some level.
1:25:55Uh the default mode network is always
1:25:57going to try to predict it based on what
1:25:59it knows from the past. And you you you
1:26:01can't create anything new that way.
1:26:05You you've said in your research that
1:26:09in your practices and in your work,
1:26:12that before you go to sleep, that time
1:26:13is really important. And if you practice
1:26:16gratitude 10 minutes a day, in just
1:26:19about 4 days of our immunity system get
1:26:2150% better. Yeah. Is that it? So then
1:26:25that is one case. And then a lot of
1:26:27people just use Instagram for 10 minutes
1:26:29by the end of the day, right?
1:26:31What's
1:26:32if I grat- if I practice gratitude
1:26:35before bed for 10 minutes versus I use
1:26:38my Instagram for 10 minutes?
1:26:40What's going to be the difference?
1:26:41>> Some people can't think for themselves
1:26:44because they're having something think
1:26:45for them, right? Those images and the
1:26:47stimulation is causing them to really
1:26:50expose their brain to information
1:26:53um
1:26:54that is causing them to think and feel a
1:26:56certain way.
1:26:57What I'm saying is think and feel on
1:26:59your own, right? And that's the most
1:27:01important thing or think for yourself.
1:27:03So so people who lose the imagination or
1:27:07the skill of dreaming, uh they're just
1:27:10relying on something to think for them,
1:27:12right? That's why nature's so great. Go
1:27:14out and you know, spend 3 days somewhere
1:27:16in nature. First day your brain will be
1:27:18all over the place. Second day it'll
1:27:20kind of calm down. By the third day
1:27:21you're like, "Woo, I'm thinking clearly
1:27:23again." because if you don't have your
1:27:24device and you're looking at the expanse
1:27:26of the sky or mountains or the sea, and
1:27:29you're opening your awareness, your
1:27:31brain gets very organized, right? So
1:27:34a person who's understands that when
1:27:36they go to bed at night
1:27:38uh their serotonin levels change to
1:27:41melatonin, and when you're in serotonin
1:27:44you're in beta, when you're in melatonin
1:27:46you start dropping into alpha, theta,
1:27:48and delta, and that's when the door
1:27:49opens. So what do you want to drop in
1:27:52there? Do you want to do something Do
1:27:54you want to drop anything in there
1:27:55that's going to cause you to be more
1:27:57limited or distract you or you know,
1:28:00you know, cause you to think and feel
1:28:02later on the next day a certain way? Or
1:28:04do you say by volition
1:28:07I'm going to teach my body emotionally
1:28:09what my future feels like. I'm going to
1:28:11keep bringing up this feeling of
1:28:12gratitude because I know that gratitude
1:28:14strengthens my immune system by 50%
1:28:18and if I'm having a problem with a
1:28:19chronic health condition or you know,
1:28:22immune mediated condition, this would be
1:28:24loving to me. So, I'm going to go for 10
1:28:27or 15 minutes just feeling gratitude or
1:28:29thinking about all the things I'm
1:28:30grateful for and then I'm going to think
1:28:32about all the things I'll be grateful
1:28:34for when they happen. I'm just going to
1:28:36let myself go. Just I'm just going to
1:28:38play. I'm just going to let myself go.
1:28:40I promise you though, person who does
1:28:42that after a period of time
1:28:44is going to feel very differently than
1:28:46when they spend 10 minutes watching
1:28:48Instagram, right?
1:28:49Not not not that I have an opinion on
1:28:51it. I just know that it's
1:28:52it's very seductive and and it could
1:28:56it could cause people to become very
1:28:57dependent on it.
1:29:00That's again, like if you understand the
1:29:02science between slowing your brain waves
1:29:04down and what you want to program in
1:29:06there, if you're serious about a better
1:29:08life,
1:29:09um you would run through a list of
1:29:11things that were were really important
1:29:13to you and remember to think that way,
1:29:15remember to feel that way, remember to
1:29:17behave that way the next day or even
1:29:19better, how did I do today?
1:29:21How was my day? When did I react? When
1:29:23did I lose my patience? When did I get
1:29:26frustrated?
1:29:27When did I
1:29:28move out of balance?
1:29:30Did I blame the person or circumstance?
1:29:32Was I greater than that? Okay, another
1:29:34day,
1:29:35another lifetime,
1:29:37another chance, my mother used to say,
1:29:39new day, right?
1:29:41Another day, how am I going to be if I
1:29:43have the same circumstance in my life,
1:29:44right? What's a better way for for Raj
1:29:47to be or Joe to be the next day? Let me
1:29:49remind myself that I could be that way
1:29:50tomorrow. I promise you, if you're
1:29:52sincere just for two two three weeks of
1:29:55doing that, you'll naturally surprise
1:29:58yourself. Like, "Wow, I really didn't
1:30:00react to that person. Wow, I noticed
1:30:03that I was way more calm. I noticed that
1:30:05the person that normally pushes my
1:30:06buttons,
1:30:08I didn't feel that and that's one of the
1:30:09crazy things that happens
1:30:11from our community, you know, they
1:30:13return back into their life. One of the
1:30:14common things people say is
1:30:16I return back into my life and people
1:30:18say, "What happened to you? Like you
1:30:20What did What did What did you do? Like
1:30:21are you on a new drug? Are you taking a
1:30:23new medication? Did you get a face
1:30:25thing? What you know, what do you got a
1:30:26secret you're not telling me?" You look
1:30:28different, right? Because they are
1:30:30different, right?
1:30:32That's the That's the joy of change,
1:30:35right? So
1:30:36So the evening and the morning are two
1:30:38times in the day where your the door
1:30:41opens up, you know, your brain waves go
1:30:43from beta to alpha to theta to delta in
1:30:45the evening. When you wake up in the
1:30:47morning, you know, you go from delta to
1:30:49theta to alpha to beta. So there's two
1:30:51times where the door between the
1:30:53conscious mind and subconscious mind
1:30:55opens.
1:30:56And people I mean the people in my life
1:30:58that that do this, they they they they
1:31:01take their time before they go to bed,
1:31:03they write things down that are
1:31:05important to them, things they want to
1:31:07change. They don't want to watch TV or
1:31:10get on their thing their their device.
1:31:12They really want to invest in
1:31:13themselves, right? And they're serious
1:31:16about it and
1:31:17as a side effect
1:31:19the opportunities, the coincidences, the
1:31:21synchronicities, the serendipities
1:31:24somehow are coming to them. It's not
1:31:26like they're going and having to get it.
1:31:28Like somehow it's kind of coming to
1:31:30them. That's all you need. That's all
1:31:32you need to believe that you're the
1:31:34creator of your life, right? And And
1:31:37Why is that important? Because you're
1:31:39going to want to do it again. You're
1:31:40going to be like and that's why our
1:31:42community does the work because they
1:31:44don't want the magic to end. They don't
1:31:46want to jinx it. They're like it's too
1:31:47good.
1:31:49I'm I'm not going to miss my meditation
1:31:50because too many wonderful things are
1:31:52happening in my life that those
1:31:55synchronicities, those opportunities are
1:31:57telling you are you are in fact the
1:31:59creator of your life. That's the
1:32:01That's the side effect. See, you teach
1:32:04all of these in your retreats, right?
1:32:06And people come off as somebody and they
1:32:09go as someone else and they change. But,
1:32:13let's talk about a majority of people
1:32:15who are watching this.
1:32:17They just can't leave everything and fly
1:32:20off to a retreat, right? They
1:32:22They have
1:32:23They have the family responsibilities.
1:32:24They have a very tough job. They're
1:32:26trying to make their ends meet. Toxic
1:32:28relationships all around. EMIs to pay.
1:32:31They're financially probably struggling.
1:32:34So, they can't spend like thousands of
1:32:36dollars to just fly out to another
1:32:38country and spend on a retreat.
1:32:42So, somebody who can't do that,
1:32:44what should they do right now?
1:32:46Or what should they start doing from
1:32:48tomorrow? They have no money, just 20
1:32:50minutes in a day because the rest of the
1:32:51day is very packed. So,
1:32:53what can they do so that they start
1:32:55seeing some of the change of your work?
1:32:57Again, you know, the the first step is
1:32:59information. Information is the catalyst
1:33:03to transformation. Uh so, I don't know
1:33:05if you have a book, one of my books to
1:33:07read, or uh you know, a podcast, or
1:33:11uh study the um an online course that we
1:33:14have, you know, whether it's the formula
1:33:15or our progressive workshops or
1:33:18our intensive workshop. Um you know,
1:33:20take the time and if you only have 20
1:33:22minutes or 30 minutes, sit down for 20
1:33:25or 30 minutes and learn the information
1:33:27and and and you know, start somewhere.
1:33:30But, um I think just knowledge really is
1:33:32the most important thing and and uh uh
1:33:36it's the it's the basis. Uh so, so make
1:33:38the time to learn. Like, if we when we
1:33:40stop learning and start feeling um we're
1:33:43headed for a genetic destiny, right? So,
1:33:45it's it's important for us to go, "Okay,
1:33:47this makes sense to me." And it may not
1:33:49make sense to everybody, but if it
1:33:51resonates with a person,
1:33:53uh
1:33:54and other people are doing it,
1:33:56why can't I do it? Right? That's the the
1:33:59main question. So, I think, you know,
1:34:01exposing yourself to the information and
1:34:03not in and taking the time to invest a
1:34:05little bit of your energy into it and
1:34:07then practice it. And and the practice
1:34:10is the fun part, but don't do the
1:34:11practice without understanding why
1:34:13you're doing it or what you're doing.
1:34:15See, a lot of people will watch this,
1:34:17read a book, and then after that,
1:34:19they'll start doing certain things.
1:34:22How do you know the difference between
1:34:25whether you are just
1:34:27you're actually changing
1:34:29or you are
1:34:32just doing it for the sake of doing it?
1:34:34And you're you're just feeling something
1:34:36or maybe now because it's also cool to
1:34:38do all of these things, be spiritual of
1:34:40some sort, and do meditation. So, maybe
1:34:43somebody's just doing it for the
1:34:44coolness of it because I I know so many
1:34:46people who do it for this. The number
1:34:47one thing I we discovered is people feel
1:34:50differently. And they say, "Wow, I just
1:34:52don't feel like that person. I'm less
1:34:55stressed. I'm more present.
1:34:57Uh my rash is gone away. My pain is gone
1:34:59away. Uh I'm feeling differently. Uh you
1:35:02know, that's the first thing."
1:35:05Um they see people differently. Uh
1:35:08they're, you know, less reactionary.
1:35:11Uh I think that's the first kind of
1:35:14signal that we get.
1:35:16Uh then, of course, then the next one is
1:35:18always seeing changes in their life.
1:35:21Like all of a sudden, they start getting
1:35:22breadcrumbs from the divine, you know?
1:35:24You know, "Oh my god, I I got this offer
1:35:27or I got this opportunity. I I I ran
1:35:29into this person and then that led to
1:35:31this and um
1:35:33I I know on some level that I I took the
1:35:35time to create this, you know? So,
1:35:37when you start getting feedback in your
1:35:39life,
1:35:40uh that's the important element. I mean,
1:35:43I love synchronicities in my life. I do
1:35:46the work because I I I I do them for the
1:35:50synchronicities, for the opportunities,
1:35:52for the open moments where, you know,
1:35:55something unknown drops in your lap.
1:35:57That to me,
1:35:58uh that's the exciting part about it.
1:36:00So, so I think feedback from our
1:36:02environment usually is the second cue. I
1:36:05think the third one for for people in
1:36:08our community is that transcendental
1:36:09moment where they have a very
1:36:11transcendental, mystical experience that
1:36:14changes them forever, where they just
1:36:15go, "Oh my god, I saw beyond the veil.
1:36:18Like, this is not it. This is definitely
1:36:20not it." And those people, uh their life
1:36:23changes dramatically after that moment.
1:36:25And we see, um many times after that
1:36:28transcendental moment, uh there's a
1:36:30biological upgrade that goes on in that
1:36:32person's body like instantaneously,
1:36:34instantaneously. Yeah.
1:36:35>> See, I know my reality.
1:36:38And I'm here sitting with you. I'm not
1:36:41the version who I want to be. I'm not
1:36:44living my dream life. I am
1:36:47and so many people like me, they must be
1:36:50thinking about some
1:36:53some unrealistic version of themself
1:36:55that they want to become.
1:36:57But they know their reality. Like, how
1:36:59do they
1:37:01how do they think and create of that
1:37:03future which they can't even see? That
1:37:05seems so far-fetched. How do I convince
1:37:07myself that
1:37:09I'm going to be that person
1:37:12who is who's living a dream life.
1:37:16Because I know my reality and nothing
1:37:17seems to be working right now.
1:37:20Well, you have one of two choices, to
1:37:22disbelieve or to believe. That's really
1:37:24it. That's it. If you choose to be a
1:37:26chronic disbeliever, then you'll find
1:37:29reasons reasons in your life to reaffirm
1:37:32that disbelief. Uh a person may say, "I
1:37:34want to be in a loving relationship."
1:37:37But really they they really want to
1:37:39sabotage their life in some way, right?
1:37:42The person who believes in a possibility
1:37:45has to believe in themselves. And and
1:37:48when you believe in yourself you believe
1:37:50in possibility you can't have one
1:37:51without the other other.
1:37:53The challenge is that your belief in
1:37:55yourself must be earned. Nobody's going
1:37:58to do that for you and that's what we
1:37:59discovered.
1:38:01The person
1:38:02who heals from a chronic health
1:38:03condition again I can use these as
1:38:05example cuz we have thousands of these.
1:38:08Many of them stand on the stage Raj and
1:38:11when they tell their story of
1:38:12transformation to an audience of 2000 or
1:38:152200 people.
1:38:17They'll say
1:38:18um
1:38:19you know I kind of believed in this
1:38:21stuff you know I really thought it was
1:38:23super cool. I saw this trans stories of
1:38:25transformation. I heard the
1:38:26testimonials.
1:38:28>> [sighs and gasps]
1:38:28>> I I believed in it. I just I just didn't
1:38:30believe it could work for me.
1:38:34That is a really big moment. That is the
1:38:36moment the person's no longer the
1:38:38philosopher.
1:38:39That's the person that that's the moment
1:38:41the person's
1:38:42getting out of the bleachers and getting
1:38:45on the field. That's the person the
1:38:47person who says I got to prove to myself
1:38:50that this does work. Now here's the
1:38:52deal.
1:38:55Either you believe or you don't believe.
1:38:57The person who says I realized that I
1:38:59believed that it worked for everybody
1:39:01else but I didn't know if it would work
1:39:02for me. I have to prove to myself that
1:39:04it works for me.
1:39:06The majority of those people never miss
1:39:09the day
1:39:10in their meditation because if they
1:39:12missed the day they knew that they
1:39:14weren't believing that they were the
1:39:15creator of their life. Their standard
1:39:17was super high. They didn't go 50% in
1:39:2160% in I'll check to see if it worked.
1:39:25They had their they were it was no
1:39:27longer about listen closely. It was no
1:39:29longer about results in their life.
1:39:32It was 100% about effort.
1:39:34It was all effort.
1:39:36They came up against the their their
1:39:38their their shadow self. They came up
1:39:40against their disbelief. They came up
1:39:42against their pain, they came up against
1:39:44their fear.
1:39:46They came up against not feeling well,
1:39:48you know, feeling sick. They come up
1:39:49against their self-doubt. They came up
1:39:51with the fact that they didn't have
1:39:52enough time, but guess what?
1:39:55They did their meditation anyway.
1:39:57Anyway, and they overcame their fear.
1:39:59They overcame their self-doubt. They
1:40:01overcame their disbelief. They overcame,
1:40:04you know,
1:40:06uh their pain. They overcame their body.
1:40:08They started surrendering to love
1:40:10instead of fear. And and and their
1:40:13belief in themselves was earned. It was
1:40:16the overcoming, showing up even when
1:40:19they doubted. Even when they
1:40:21disbelieved, they showed up anyway.
1:40:23And we just I was just looking at a
1:40:25testimonial the other day. The guy had a
1:40:28uh a 9 and 1/2 in tumor on his kidneys.
1:40:339 and 1/2 in.
1:40:35I said to him,
1:40:36"Did Were Were there days where you
1:40:38didn't want to do your meditation?" He
1:40:39said, "Oh, yeah, I didn't feel well a
1:40:41lot of those days." I said, "Did you do
1:40:43it anyway?" He said, "Yep, never missed
1:40:44a day." I said, "Were there days where
1:40:46you doubted?" He said, "Oh, yeah, my
1:40:47family thought I was crazy." I did uh
1:40:49"Did you do them anyway?" "Yep, I
1:40:50overcame my doubt that day."
1:40:52And there's some people I say to them,
1:40:54"Why were you doing your meditations
1:40:56three times a day?"
1:40:57Three times a day.
1:40:59They'll say,
1:41:00"The chemo wasn't working.
1:41:02Uh the radiation wasn't working. The
1:41:04surgeries didn't work. The drug trial
1:41:06didn't work. The vegan ketogenic the
1:41:10intermittent fasting uh none of the
1:41:12diets worked. The only thing I was left
1:41:15with
1:41:16was my belief in myself, right?
1:41:19The reason I did my meditations three
1:41:21times a day is because I started to
1:41:23disbelieve. I had one of two options,
1:41:25die
1:41:27or show up for myself.
1:41:29And I would not get up
1:41:32from that meditation until I believed in
1:41:34my future again. And the only way as I
1:41:36said you can believe in that future is
1:41:38to transform those limited emotions into
1:41:41elevated emotions.
1:41:43The person
1:41:44has to find something in them where they
1:41:47could feel the emotion of gratitude and
1:41:49fall in love with the idea of that that
1:41:52that they could heal.
1:41:53And it's that thought and that feeling,
1:41:55that image and that emotion, that
1:41:57stimulus and response that can condition
1:41:59their body
1:42:00into the emotion and the mind of their
1:42:02future.
1:42:04And they get up and they believe more in
1:42:06their future than when they started.
1:42:09Some people, they finish their
1:42:10meditation and they believe less in
1:42:13their future at the end of their
1:42:14meditation cuz they never overcame
1:42:16themselves. And And this is This is
1:42:19where the rubber meets the road because
1:42:22they're uncompromising.
1:42:24Because
1:42:25they're nothing else has worked, right?
1:42:27So
1:42:29to me, that's greatness. I'd rather sit
1:42:32with that person
1:42:33and talk to that person than any famous
1:42:35person in the world. They They know the
1:42:36truth. They stand on the stage.
1:42:39They're standing in front of an
1:42:40audience. I'm looking at the audience.
1:42:42They're telling their story.
1:42:43And everybody's leaning in.
1:42:46Everybody's leaning in because there's
1:42:48the example of truth. There's a 4-minute
1:42:49mile.
1:42:51There's someone who broke through a
1:42:52certain level of consciousness or
1:42:53unconsciousness and they don't look
1:42:55vegan. They don't look particularly
1:42:57young. They're not dressed very well.
1:42:59They don't They're not fit. They just
1:43:01look like a person you would pass in the
1:43:02grocery store.
1:43:04But they they changed their health in
1:43:06some way and it's
1:43:07everybody in the audience is looking at
1:43:10them.
1:43:11And I know that some people in the
1:43:12audience
1:43:14are going to identify with that person.
1:43:16They're going to say, "She doesn't look
1:43:17particularly different than me.
1:43:20I have the same diagnosis.
1:43:23If she could do it,
1:43:25I can do it." And that's the power of
1:43:27community because then
1:43:29once it's in the collective
1:43:30consciousness and you witness it, It's
1:43:32no longer just theoretical. There's
1:43:34truth standing there. There's truth on
1:43:36the stage. They have the scans, they
1:43:38have the blood test, tumors are gone,
1:43:40everything's gone.
1:43:42>> [gasps and sighs]
1:43:43>> It becomes very infectious. And then all
1:43:45of a sudden you start we had we had five
1:43:48people with Raynaud's syndrome at one
1:43:49event.
1:43:51You know, where you lose blood flow into
1:43:53your extremities. Five because one
1:43:55person stood on the stage and told her
1:43:56story.
1:43:58Four other people by the end of that
1:43:59event stood on the stage, no more
1:44:01Raynaud's. We had five people that were
1:44:03in wheelchairs
1:44:05with all kinds of reasons, you know,
1:44:07spinal cord injuries, myasthenia gravis,
1:44:09uh
1:44:10uh
1:44:11uh rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, uh um
1:44:14ALS,
1:44:16head traumas.
1:44:17>> [gasps]
1:44:18>> One person stood out of the wheelchair,
1:44:20four other people stood out. We had two
1:44:22people that were blind. I mean, imagine
1:44:24that. That was a crazy one.
1:44:27Couldn't see. At the end of the event,
1:44:29one By the middle of the event, one
1:44:31person stood on the stage, by the end of
1:44:32the event it was two people.
1:44:34It It's insane. That's the power.
1:44:37That's the power that lives in every
1:44:39human being. When you start seeing
1:44:41possibility like that, because people
1:44:44only do the best with what they think is
1:44:46available. If you don't know what's
1:44:47available, you'll make the same choice.
1:44:49Once you know what's possible,
1:44:52you're not going to you have the
1:44:53nobody's so special to be excluded when
1:44:55you're in a community like that.
1:44:57And the [snorts] person's in their 70s
1:45:01or they're they're in their
1:45:03late later years
1:45:05and doctors are telling them you're too
1:45:07old or
1:45:08you know,
1:45:09you're you're just going to learn to
1:45:10live with that. Those people are like,
1:45:12"No.
1:45:13No, I'm not going to live with this. No,
1:45:16this is not how it's going to end for
1:45:17me."
1:45:19Like, that's what it takes, right? So,
1:45:23yeah, there's there's
1:45:24there's too much in to say like, "Oh,
1:45:28well, you know,
1:45:29uh I I just can't muster it up in me."
1:45:32Well, then
1:45:33what do you want? You know, what do you
1:45:35want? If you really want it, you'll find
1:45:37a way, right?
1:45:40>> [snorts]
1:45:40>> A lot of this work is related to
1:45:42controlling emotions, right? Yeah. Then
1:45:45We call it self-regulation.
1:45:47Self-regulation. So, regulating the
1:45:49emotions, but when you talk about
1:45:51controlling emotions, a lot of people
1:45:53feel that it's about suppressing a
1:45:55certain emotion. So, what do people do
1:45:58when they when they go through this
1:45:59process? Do they
1:46:01I mean, let me make it specific. So,
1:46:03somebody who has had years of anger and
1:46:05they've suppressed it. Years of grief
1:46:07they've suppressed it. Years of just
1:46:09trauma and things they've suppressed it.
1:46:11They've not fully allowed themselves to
1:46:12feel.
1:46:13Do you before they transcend, do you
1:46:16make them feel that emotion to the
1:46:18fullest or do you just suppress it and
1:46:20just Yeah. Just rewire and do something
1:46:23new. Yeah, I think for a lot of people
1:46:25like they they have a lot of strong
1:46:28emotions that are on the surface and
1:46:31they have some strong emotions that are
1:46:32buried in there, right?
1:46:34And I I would never say to a person to
1:46:37suppress their emotion. Listen,
1:46:40we all react. We all react, but the
1:46:42question is
1:46:44how long?
1:46:45How long are you going to react? Really,
1:46:47that's the question. Look at a kid,
1:46:48right? A child just has a reaction, 10
1:46:51minutes they're over it and they're
1:46:52back, you know, for the most part, you
1:46:55know, playing and doing whatever.
1:46:58And I think the greatest thing we can
1:46:59teach children is that kind of emotional
1:47:01intelligence, to kind of shorten their
1:47:03emotional responses.
1:47:05So, uh I I never say to a person, "Don't
1:47:08react." I will say to them,
1:47:10>> [sighs and gasps]
1:47:10>> "How long are you going to react for?"
1:47:11Because if you have an event in your
1:47:13life that creates an emotion
1:47:16and you don't regulate that emotion, it
1:47:18lasts for hours or or days, that's
1:47:20called a mood. It's one long emotional
1:47:23reaction. You say to the person, "Why
1:47:24are you in a mood?" "I'm in a mood
1:47:26because of this thing that happened to
1:47:27me
1:47:287 days ago." If they keep the same
1:47:30emotional reaction going on for or
1:47:33months weeks to months, that's that's
1:47:35called a temperament. Uh a person just
1:47:38has an angry temperament. Why are you
1:47:39angry? I had this event happened to me,
1:47:41you know, 9 months ago.
1:47:44It goes on for years on end, that's a
1:47:45personality trait.
1:47:47That personality trait is really based
1:47:48on an experience or series of
1:47:50experiences that create that emotion,
1:47:52right? And then a person just memorizes
1:47:54their emotion. They're having one long
1:47:56emotional reaction, and now they're
1:47:58looking for it.
1:47:59They're looking for a reason to be
1:48:01angry.
1:48:02They're looking, not consciously,
1:48:04they're looking for a reason to judge,
1:48:06right? Because it it reaffirms their
1:48:08belief in themselves and how they
1:48:10believe
1:48:11what they believe about life.
1:48:13So, [snorts]
1:48:14when a person's sitting in a meditation
1:48:17and there's 2,000 people in audience,
1:48:19and they're and their eyes closed, and
1:48:21everything's kind of there's music
1:48:22playing, and they have some
1:48:24instructions, and all of a sudden here
1:48:25comes this agitation.
1:48:28Here comes this resentment, here comes
1:48:30this impatience, and the body is revving
1:48:33up, right? That's when the person
1:48:35typically says, "I can't meditate.
1:48:37That's my mother's fault. I'm quitting."
1:48:40Whatever.
1:48:41>> [gasps]
1:48:41>> But if they know what to do, and they
1:48:43know how to work with their body,
1:48:45and like training an animal,
1:48:47Mhm.
1:48:48They bring the body back into the
1:48:50present moment because the moment
1:48:51they're feeling that emotion, the body's
1:48:52in the past. They go, "Oh my god, I'm
1:48:54going into the past. The agitation is
1:48:56turning on the stress hormones. I'm
1:48:57going to go into high beta.
1:48:58>> [gasps]
1:49:00>> I got to settle the body down. I got to
1:49:01tell it's no longer the mind." And when
1:49:03you when you do that, and you tell the
1:49:05body it's no longer the mind, you settle
1:49:07it into the present moment, it liberates
1:49:09a little bit of energy. Then it gets a
1:49:10little agitated again, and it gets a
1:49:12little frustrated again, and then it
1:49:14starts getting impatient, and
1:49:16you're not going to give up, and you
1:49:17work with the body again, you settle it
1:49:19down again, you bring it back into the
1:49:21present moment. It's tedious in the
1:49:22beginning. But like training an animal,
1:49:25body is the animal, sooner or later it's
1:49:27going to surrender to a new mind.
1:49:29And when it finally does, there's a huge
1:49:32liberation of energy. Now the person
1:49:34literally taking that emotion, they've
1:49:36gone from particle to wave, from matter
1:49:39to energy that the information that's
1:49:40stored in the body is being released as
1:49:42energy. And now the person doesn't have
1:49:44to try
1:49:45to be more patient. They've they've kind
1:49:47of cultivated patience by not letting
1:49:50the body be the mind. By the same means.
1:49:54If you're in the habit of picking up
1:49:55your cell phone every 5 minutes and
1:49:58scrolling through it and you're in a
1:49:59meditation or you're busy and you got a
1:50:01lot of things to do, you're sitting in
1:50:03the meditation, you want to get up and
1:50:04you want to go and do something, you
1:50:06notice your body doing that, most people
1:50:08say, "I can't meditate. I'm just going
1:50:09to quit." If you really want it, if you
1:50:12really want change, you got to execute a
1:50:14will that's greater than the program.
1:50:16You're going to bring the body back out
1:50:18of that predictable future into the
1:50:20present moment. And like an unbridled
1:50:22stallion,
1:50:23it'll buck and kick, it'll do everything
1:50:25it can. You just keep bringing it back
1:50:27to the present moment. Sooner or later
1:50:29it's going to surrender to a new mind.
1:50:31And now the person is going to liberate
1:50:33energy because the present moment is the
1:50:36unknown.
1:50:38The familiar past, of feeling certain
1:50:41emotions and certain memories,
1:50:44that's the known.
1:50:45Living in a predictable future, you
1:50:47know, where you're always busy, you got
1:50:49things to do and people to see and
1:50:50places to go, that's the predictable
1:50:52future. If you can predict it, it's
1:50:53known, right? So if you can settle into
1:50:56the present moment and teach the body to
1:50:58relax into the unknown without it being
1:51:01a scary place,
1:51:03when you can relax into the unknown like
1:51:05that, the body finally surrenders and
1:51:07it's free. Now the person is ready to
1:51:09create something new. Now,
1:51:11it It takes a little bit of
1:51:13understanding. It takes a little bit of
1:51:15practice. Uh once again,
1:51:17uh you get numerous times uh to practice
1:51:20it. It gets easier and easier and
1:51:21easier. And usually by the third day of
1:51:24the event, people sit for They don't
1:51:25even know how long. They forget that
1:51:27their body no longer bothers them. It's
1:51:29just like It's just They've just trained
1:51:31it, right? And so, the cool part is when
1:51:33they go into their life
1:51:35and they're with their parents or with
1:51:37their siblings and they're smiling and
1:51:40they're present and they really don't
1:51:42have a conversation. They're just really
1:51:43happy to see them.
1:51:45You know, the the the veil is gone.
1:51:47They're way more way more present.
1:51:50Um
1:51:51that's what the work is for. That's what
1:51:53it's for. To live your life and take
1:51:56that into your life and be the you know,
1:51:59be that person that you want to be. Now,
1:52:02you said earlier, well, many people
1:52:03don't know who they want to be.
1:52:06There's a There's a There's a trade. And
1:52:09the trade is you got to come up against
1:52:10the person you no longer want to be.
1:52:12>> [laughter]
1:52:13>> And you got to really look. And it comes
1:52:15up very naturally and very
1:52:16automatically. And uh a lot of people
1:52:19say,
1:52:20"I wanted to leave after the first day."
1:52:22Like, "Oh, it was way too much." And I
1:52:25you know, I I look at the the military
1:52:27veterans and Navy SEALs and the Green
1:52:29Berets. I'm like, "I want three things
1:52:31from you. Courage
1:52:33courage to feel any emotion.
1:52:35Love. That means it's going to reset the
1:52:38baseline for the trauma. You got to be
1:52:39able to love.
1:52:41And wisdom. The memory without the
1:52:43emotional charge is called wisdom.
1:52:45That's what you're going to get out of
1:52:46this.
1:52:47And you can't give up.
1:52:49You go all in.
1:52:51Sooner or later,
1:52:52I mean, we have again, you know, all
1:52:55shapes, all sizes, all cultures, all
1:52:57races, uh all pasts, you know, and
1:53:00everybody everybody's able to do it.
1:53:03Do [snorts] you react? Yeah.
1:53:04>> Do you get angry now? Yeah. Yeah. I
1:53:05mean, I react. The question is how long?
1:53:08Do you get angry now? I don't think it's
1:53:10healthy for me. I've done it enough
1:53:12times to know that it
1:53:13like
1:53:15it just doesn't serve me any longer. So,
1:53:18I really ask myself, is this loving to
1:53:20you? Is this Is this going going to
1:53:22solve anything for you?
1:53:24And usually it I usually just go, "Okay,
1:53:26take a few breaths."
1:53:28And And sometimes, you know, I dismiss
1:53:31myself
1:53:32from life. I take a few moments, close
1:53:35my eyes, get back in that place where I
1:53:37want to be.
1:53:39And I think when it's the hardest, it
1:53:40matters the most.
1:53:42But is it
1:53:43Is there some pattern that you fail to
1:53:46[snorts] overcome and you keep going
1:53:47back to that when you get angry? Like
1:53:49let's say there are people Anger is such
1:53:51a normal emotion.
1:53:52You It's every
1:53:53>> You live in an uncertain environment. We
1:53:55all live in that. Like there has to be
1:53:57some There are going to be times that
1:53:58you get angry, right? There are people
1:54:00who get like really raise their voice.
1:54:03There are people who will throw things.
1:54:04>> I've never been that person. I've never
1:54:06been that person in my life. What do you
1:54:08do when like it just just Um I
1:54:11>> getting angry in yourself? Um if I get
1:54:13angry, I usually dismiss myself. I know
1:54:16I've I've done it enough times in my
1:54:18life that it doesn't serve me.
1:54:20It justified or not. Like I can't If I'm
1:54:22saying that person
1:54:25or that circumstance is controlling the
1:54:28way I'm feeling and the way I'm
1:54:30thinking, then I'm victim to that
1:54:33person. That person's controlling my
1:54:35thoughts and feelings, then then I'm
1:54:37giving my power away. The stronger the
1:54:39emotion I feel towards that person or
1:54:41that problem, the more I'm going to pay
1:54:42attention to them, right? Where you
1:54:44place your attention is where you place
1:54:45your energy. So,
1:54:46do I really want to give my energy or my
1:54:48attention to that person? And normally
1:54:51the the answer is no, right?
1:54:54Um
1:54:55So, yes. So, I typically typically just
1:54:58take a moment and just reboot.
1:55:01>> That's a good way to deal with it.
1:55:02That's a great way to deal with it.
1:55:03Yeah. The
1:55:05I was researching about you and while I
1:55:07was researching I found out that at 19
1:55:11you read a book, Autobiography of a
1:55:13Yogi. Yes, yes, I did. Yeah.
1:55:16And you said like something in you
1:55:18changed after that.
1:55:20Um my parents
1:55:22were best friends with these this couple
1:55:26and their son was really good friends
1:55:28with me.
1:55:29And we went to graduate school together.
1:55:32And the father,
1:55:34my parents would make dinners with these
1:55:37couple and they would party with them
1:55:39and they're very festive.
1:55:41And I never knew this really about this
1:55:43guy but he handed me this book when I
1:55:45was heading to
1:55:47to graduate school and it was a we were
1:55:50driving from New York all the way down
1:55:52to Atlanta. So it was a long a long
1:55:55drive. So I read the whole book.
1:55:56>> [gasps]
1:55:57>> And I had just been starting to do yoga.
1:56:00I you know, I was interested in it. I
1:56:01was doing martial arts at the time.
1:56:03Something really
1:56:05very untraditional for a Westerner. I
1:56:08grew up playing you know, very very
1:56:09Western sports.
1:56:11And
1:56:13my exposure to yoga and some of the
1:56:15yogis that I had met uh
1:56:18bothered me cuz I didn't understand
1:56:22where they were coming from.
1:56:23And when I read Autobiography of a Yogi,
1:56:26I was really upset. Like it really
1:56:28changed it shifted my paradigm
1:56:31quite a bit and I said this is if this
1:56:33is the truth, if this is the absolute
1:56:36truth, how did this person do it? What
1:56:38were they teaching? What is this kriya
1:56:40breath? You know, I was and I just
1:56:42everything changed for me.
1:56:44Everything changed for me. My whole life
1:56:46changed. I started doing
1:56:48I know this is crazy but I did like 3
1:56:50hours of yoga
1:56:52every morning at 4:00 a.m.
1:56:54hot yoga and then finished with some
1:56:56very intense breathing.
1:56:58I I don't I think I don't think we
1:57:00missed a day, my roommate and I, for for
1:57:03for over 3 years. Like we were out there
1:57:05at 4:00 in the morning every morning.
1:57:07And we were I was in search of this
1:57:09understanding. It just It's something
1:57:11that lit a fire in me and the way I saw
1:57:14Western religion uh and the and the
1:57:16questions that I was willing to ask, I
1:57:19sat my father down and I just said,
1:57:21"Look, I'm just If this is the truth,
1:57:23I'm just telling you I I can't do this,
1:57:26you know, the way that we've been
1:57:27raised."
1:57:29And my father was super cool and he
1:57:30said, "Well, if you want to investigate
1:57:33it, let me know what you find out,
1:57:34right?" And it took me on this whole
1:57:36journey about you know and one way, you
1:57:39know, studying the mind and spirituality
1:57:42and and yoga and hypnosis and what was
1:57:45common and
1:57:48human potential and what was possible
1:57:50and
1:57:51uh yeah, I just it just I just went a
1:57:53whole an unexpected route. A a very
1:57:56unexpected route. I was very uh those 4
1:57:59years in graduate school, I was very to
1:58:00myself
1:58:02and really curious about you know, the
1:58:05nature of reality. What's specific
1:58:07teaching from Autobiography of a Yogi
1:58:10you still carry today?
1:58:12Of just the mystical transcendental
1:58:15stuff, you know, the tiger Swami, you
1:58:17know, his teacher, you know,
1:58:19uh Babaji and just the way that uh
1:58:22it the way they appeared uh in
1:58:26as as mystics and saints and holy people
1:58:30and what the message really was and and
1:58:32I was bothered by Paramahansa like uh by
1:58:36certain things. What?
1:58:37>> He didn't look like a Yogi to me. Like
1:58:39it bothered me [snorts] about And he
1:58:41didn't really do well in school. Like he
1:58:42didn't really
1:58:44get great grades, you know, and I was
1:58:45just kind of
1:58:47was you know, bothered by that and and
1:58:49you know, just things that Not not to
1:58:51say that I was
1:58:52I just was naive at the time. Like I
1:58:55just had a a way in my mind that I
1:58:58thought it was.
1:58:59And I it it took me full circle for me
1:59:02to really accept it. My God, my my
1:59:05understanding is so limited, right? And
1:59:07it broke me down. And then
1:59:10I wind up reading a bunch of other
1:59:11really spiritual books that, you know,
1:59:13opened my mind as well.
1:59:15So, if you got an opportunity in
1:59:17hypothetical world to
1:59:20collaborate with one of these original
1:59:23ancient Indian gurus who follow this
1:59:25work, who would you collaborate with?
1:59:28>> I'm probably Paramahansa, yeah. Yeah.
1:59:30Why?
1:59:31I think he was just a really kind and
1:59:34and generous and loving human. Yeah.
1:59:37You know, there's also your stuff
1:59:40like your your method, which is pulling
1:59:44mind out of your body, that's based out
1:59:46of Kundalini.
1:59:48Right? Which is a very
1:59:50ancient Indian knowledge. So, why don't
1:59:52you call it Kundalini and you give it
1:59:55some different name?
1:59:57Um
1:59:58I discovered that when you name
2:00:01something
2:00:02based on tradition, I'm going to lose
2:00:05people in the audience.
2:00:06Or they're going to say "Oh, I learned
2:00:10Kundalini already." And and they're
2:00:13going to have their own belief about it.
2:00:15So, you'll never hear me say chakras,
2:00:18you know, you'll never hear me say
2:00:19Kundalini. I I you know, I I try to stay
2:00:22away from words where people have a
2:00:24stigma or some unconscious belief. So, I
2:00:27rename everything. But
2:00:30I stumbled across my own Kundalini
2:00:33experiences not because I was trying in
2:00:36any way to have a Kundalini experience.
2:00:38I just after years of yoga and just all
2:00:41of this kind of control, when I exerted
2:00:43myself and did certain things and I
2:00:45breathed a certain way,
2:00:46uh I would have a dramatic change in my
2:00:49body and in my brain in
2:00:51and and
2:00:53uh I loved that feeling. I loved that
2:00:56feeling. It was that energy going right
2:00:58to my brain and
2:00:59uh
2:01:00and so
2:01:03the breath that we teach is just
2:01:06my best understanding of how to
2:01:10to liberate that energy. All the energy
2:01:12you use for to create a baby, to digest
2:01:14a meal, to run from a predator, those
2:01:16first three energy centers, instead of
2:01:18releasing the energy out, draw that
2:01:20energy back to the brain. And our brain
2:01:22scans show that on some level it it puts
2:01:25the brain into an altered state, yeah.
2:01:27>> [snorts]
2:01:27>> So, when you do all these researches on
2:01:315,000-year-old ancient Indian knowledge
2:01:34and now you have a lot of science around
2:01:35it and you have done a lot of
2:01:36researches. You've
2:01:38you've packaged it in a much more
2:01:40believable way
2:01:42for masses to understand, right? Do you
2:01:46Do you think that your work and research
2:01:47now validate 5,000-year-old Indian
2:01:50wisdom? I think it it validates a lot of
2:01:52wisdom. All kinds of wisdom.
2:01:55>> [gasps]
2:01:55>> I I was invited to the parliament for
2:01:56the world religions, you know, and and
2:01:59and had an opportunity to sit with a lot
2:02:01of really really
2:02:03uh
2:02:03um
2:02:05educated and adept uh
2:02:07religious leaders.
2:02:09And one of the things I learned uh in
2:02:11sitting at the table with a very very
2:02:14affluent people
2:02:16was that it was a language barrier.
2:02:18Like they were arguing over scriptures
2:02:20that were 5,000 years old. Who knows the
2:02:22word from 5,000 and what it meant then
2:02:25or 2,000 years old and in another part
2:02:27of the world. Like the
2:02:29the language was contemporary at the
2:02:32time. And you know, so
2:02:35I wanted to make it more approachable
2:02:37for people.
2:02:39And and gosh, I've taken all kinds of
2:02:41courses, you know, from Buddhism to you
2:02:43know, to to Vedic scriptures, all that
2:02:45stuff. It It's a lot.
2:02:47It's a lot of uh and and it's again
2:02:50for a Westerner, it's very difficult for
2:02:53them to
2:02:54wrap their mind around some of the
2:02:56concepts. And I've even sat with them
2:02:57and
2:02:58had them tried to help me understand
2:03:00differences. It's very tedious and it's
2:03:03very difficult. So, for me, I thought,
2:03:05"What would be the simplest thing to do
2:03:07is to find a way to understand it and
2:03:09then rename it in a way that everybody
2:03:10just goes, "Oh, okay. That makes sense,
2:03:12right?" Do you have to know all the
2:03:14details? No, just this this is the best
2:03:16name we can give. So,
2:03:19I've always wanted to take very complex
2:03:22ideas or topics,
2:03:23whether it was spiritual or whether it
2:03:25was scientific, uh and make them really
2:03:27simple for people. Uh really simple to
2:03:30to make them uh make it approachable for
2:03:32them to not be intimidated by it, uh but
2:03:35to understand it. And And now we have so
2:03:37much science
2:03:38uh the scientists can actually go way
2:03:41down the rabbit hole with all kinds of
2:03:42great uh
2:03:44you know,
2:03:44you know, great understandings.
2:03:46>> Because I'm from India, I can instantly
2:03:50connect a lot of your work with the
2:03:52Patanjali studies, the Advaita Vedanta,
2:03:56the Vedic scriptures, the uh the
2:03:58Kundalini method, right?
2:04:00And there's a lot of information in our
2:04:03culture.
2:04:05What do you think? What do
2:04:085,000 year old when there was no
2:04:10science, like what do those people get
2:04:12it which even today a lot of Western
2:04:16neuroscientists don't get?
2:04:17>> There weren't a lot of uh there wasn't a
2:04:19lot of technology.
2:04:21Uh you know, think about living just
2:04:24300 years ago.
2:04:26It wasn't easy to be human and you know,
2:04:28live. And so,
2:04:30I think certain cultures
2:04:32found ways
2:04:35to become more enlightened, uh to you
2:04:38know, you know, you could even talk
2:04:40about Ayurvedic, right? So, what do we
2:04:42have in our environment that's good for
2:04:45the body? You know, what are the what is
2:04:47the understanding? Why like why like
2:04:51in the West, meditation is such a bad
2:04:55thing, right? And in in Buddhism or in
2:05:00traditional Indian culture, it's a it's
2:05:02a way of life. It's like this works.
2:05:06Like to get your brain body better, this
2:05:09works to change who you are. So, it was
2:05:12what they had that sustained the the the
2:05:16the culture
2:05:18in the environments that they were in
2:05:20and it became really very highly
2:05:23effective and very functional. It was a
2:05:26way of life. And and
2:05:29and it just happens to be ancient, more
2:05:31ancient than than most religion and
2:05:34cultures.
2:05:36Why do you think then it was always
2:05:38there in ancient culture, right? Like in
2:05:42India out there.
2:05:44But
2:05:45I haven't heard
2:05:47of any Indian who was able to package it
2:05:50in a way to
2:05:51to expand the blessings and the goodness
2:05:54of these teachings all around the world.
2:05:56Or package it in a way which is
2:05:58digestible, which is helping people
2:06:01learn and heal better and become
2:06:04overcome their old create a new reality.
2:06:08Like
2:06:09Indians were not able to do it. Why did
2:06:11we like you are able to do it in a much
2:06:13better way, in a much larger way. What
2:06:15do you think where did we lack? I think
2:06:17there are a lot of Indians that were
2:06:18able to reach a lot of people when when
2:06:21Indians came from the from India to the
2:06:23West and you know, they were on talk
2:06:27shows or being buried and then you know,
2:06:29they dig them up the next day, you know,
2:06:31or put it put something through their
2:06:32neck out the other side, you know, uh
2:06:35the West was mystified that because
2:06:36there was only really one guy that was
2:06:39able to do anything like that. And this
2:06:41kind of opened people's minds quite a
2:06:43bit. So,
2:06:44uh I think there's a
2:06:46there's a counterculture
2:06:49to kind of suppress that in a lot of
2:06:52ways because
2:06:54um
2:06:55it goes against a lot of agendas, right?
2:06:57So, I do think it may have been a little
2:06:59bit before their time,
2:07:02but I do think they were important
2:07:04elements, important steps for for people
2:07:08to understand where we are today. So, I
2:07:10think they were you know, influenced a
2:07:12lot of people
2:07:13uh in a really important way and they
2:07:15were strong seeds uh that bore a lot of
2:07:18fruit. But now technology is just is so
2:07:23simple to be able to just get on
2:07:25something and see something that you
2:07:27didn't have a available to you. You had
2:07:29to go to the the top of a mountain in
2:07:31the Himalayas
2:07:32>> [laughter]
2:07:32>> to you know, find your way to some
2:07:34school ancient school of wisdom.
2:07:37School of ancient wisdom.
2:07:39And you know, be willing to give up your
2:07:40life to learn some of these things. And
2:07:43I do think that
2:07:44um there were a lot of people that were
2:07:46that made those journeys that we never
2:07:48saw again. Yeah. Uh that that said, I'm
2:07:51not coming back to society again and or
2:07:53there's
2:07:54um many people that have transcended in
2:07:57some way.
2:07:58Uh but I think this is really you know,
2:08:00this is a really important time to be
2:08:02alive.
2:08:03And I think it's important to be alive
2:08:05right now because
2:08:06you know, the human race is at a very
2:08:09critical point, you know, we either
2:08:11implode or we evolve. And um
2:08:16the coming of this new consciousness is
2:08:19not one person. Yeah. It's got to be a
2:08:21collective network of people in you
2:08:24know, when you live in fear or you're
2:08:26watching news or you're seeing all these
2:08:28tragedies
2:08:30or you're exposed to different things,
2:08:32it really divides people.
2:08:35When you're in survival and when you're
2:08:36in stress, just nobody wants to connect
2:08:39or trust, you know, everybody's got
2:08:41their own secular ways and the best way
2:08:45to keep people divided is to keep them
2:08:48in survival and stress and so
2:08:51what an important time to be alive. I
2:08:53don't think it's ever been in in my
2:08:55lifetime I've never felt so much
2:08:57pressure
2:08:58you know, environmentally with all the
2:09:00challenges that we've had and
2:09:02this is a time where you cannot choose
2:09:04fear, where you can't choose aggression
2:09:07and hatred because
2:09:08that would add to the consciousness to
2:09:11further divide, right? So there's
2:09:12something has to emerge
2:09:15that's greater than that and it's not
2:09:17easy especially when
2:09:19you're threatened in some way or you
2:09:20don't have money or you know, somebody's
2:09:22been injured in your family for
2:09:25for some, you know,
2:09:26unhealthy reason. So
2:09:29it's it's a huge challenge, right? It's
2:09:31a huge challenge but this is the time
2:09:33like we chose to be here
2:09:35and I do think, you know, everybody has
2:09:37to play their part on some level because
2:09:40my interest is if everybody if I'm
2:09:43working on myself and you're working on
2:09:45yourself and everybody's working on
2:09:46themselves to be [snorts] a better
2:09:48person, right? Then there should be
2:09:50something really emergent that takes
2:09:52place because the side effect of that is
2:09:55this kind of empathy that I think it's
2:09:57natural in human beings. I mean
2:09:59I think we're wired to give,
2:10:02to care for one another,
2:10:04to inform, to heal, to connect, to
2:10:08invent, to to you know, to support. I
2:10:11think we're wired to be that way.
2:10:13>> You will see in India there are a lot of
2:10:14meditators, there are a lot of people
2:10:15who practice yoga, they go to temples
2:10:17and practice gratitude on an everyday
2:10:19basis.
2:10:21The country has a lot of these people
2:10:23and yet
2:10:24the
2:10:26depression rates
2:10:28in the country is increasing, suicide
2:10:30rate is increasing, there is there are
2:10:32more people struggling with bunch of
2:10:35diseases, mental health problems,
2:10:38finances, all of this
2:10:41together.
2:10:43What's going wrong? When the country was
2:10:46when the country knows about the value
2:10:48of meditation and there are a lot of
2:10:50people who are doing it regularly still,
2:10:52they're not able to achieve a thriving
2:10:54life. Yeah, I think values have changed
2:10:57in the world and it's just not it's not
2:10:59just in one country or another country.
2:11:01I think it's ubiquitous. I think it's I
2:11:04think we're seeing a breakdown in so
2:11:06many aspects politically in every
2:11:09country, economically in every country,
2:11:12the food we eat, the the health care we
2:11:15get, the pharmaceuticals we're exposed
2:11:18to, the atmosphere, journalism,
2:11:21education,
2:11:23>> [laughter]
2:11:23>> medicine, um
2:11:26everything is the par- the the paradigms
2:11:29are
2:11:29collapsing. Everything's breaking down.
2:11:33And, you know,
2:11:34that has to happen for something new to
2:11:36take place. Unfortunately,
2:11:39uh it's having an effect on every
2:11:41culture.
2:11:42It's not just India. It's It's just
2:11:44about in every country that around the
2:11:47world. Uh there are a lot of
2:11:49self-interests
2:11:50uh that are being demonstrated amongst
2:11:53uh certain people that are really uh
2:11:56excluding
2:11:57the value of human beings. And and so
2:12:01when people are undervalued in some way
2:12:05in every front of how they're
2:12:07experiencing life,
2:12:09uh
2:12:10I think you're going to see a lot of
2:12:12disease, you're going to see a lot of uh
2:12:14people unhealthy, depressed,
2:12:16unsatisfied.
2:12:18Uh it's happening it's happening
2:12:19globally right now.
2:12:22You You study all of this. You study
2:12:24science of meditation.
2:12:28Why do you think
2:12:29India has a lot of meditators, but not
2:12:32enough neuroscientists studying
2:12:34>> [laughter]
2:12:34>> meditation?
2:12:36Um well, let's see how I can say this.
2:12:39Uh we have a lot of great scientists on
2:12:41our research team, really intelligent
2:12:43people.
2:12:44>> [gasps]
2:12:44>> And they've spent the majority of their
2:12:46life
2:12:48studying drugs.
2:12:49Uh that's that's
2:12:51their And and drug pathways, right?
2:12:54Uh and there's a strong interest in
2:12:58uh funding
2:12:59uh drug studies uh because drugs help
2:13:02people. You know, a lot of drugs do help
2:13:04people.
2:13:06Uh I think, you know, what's so unique
2:13:09about our research right now
2:13:12is that, you know, we can say that
2:13:16the human nervous system manufactures a
2:13:18pharmacy of chemicals
2:13:20that works better than drugs. That's
2:13:22what our data shows, right? And that's a
2:13:23risk Mhm. to be able to say that in the
2:13:26world. So,
2:13:28uh we fund [snorts] our own research,
2:13:31and it's very expensive. You know, I I
2:13:34put a lot into the data collection. We
2:13:37have nonprofits that work to do the
2:13:40analysis. We We do, you know, blind
2:13:43studies. We do observational studies. We
2:13:45do clinical trials.
2:13:47Uh we we publish papers that are
2:13:50Give you an example. Uh the paper that
2:13:52we just published uh in a Nature
2:13:54journal,
2:13:56uh
2:13:58most scientific articles get like um
2:14:03about 600 to 900 accesses, which means
2:14:06you publish an article, and about 600 to
2:14:09900 people download it and read it,
2:14:11right?
2:14:12Where we're at currently right now for
2:14:14this article that we just released just
2:14:16a few weeks ago was at 90,000
2:14:19views, right? So,
2:14:22900 to 90,000 views. So, I can it's
2:14:25still going way up. So, there's the
2:14:27thing called an altmetric which
2:14:29determines like
2:14:30the number of news channels, of
2:14:33podcasts, you know, the exposure, that
2:14:35you know, the references for the
2:14:37article.
2:14:38A great altmetric for a good scientific
2:14:41article
2:14:42is around 20. I think the last we looked
2:14:45it was about 156.
2:14:48So, what does that mean? It means that
2:14:49people are looking
2:14:52for the right information. This is so
2:14:54refreshing to say, "Wow,
2:14:57they're they're they're making their own
2:15:00endogenous opioids, you know,
2:15:02they're making their own pharmacology of
2:15:05of
2:15:07fertilizers that grow new neurons.
2:15:10They're changing their brain in this
2:15:12dramatic way.
2:15:13Uh the cells are working more
2:15:15efficiently.
2:15:17You know, there's just so many things
2:15:18that default mode network is what? Shut
2:15:21off. The person looks like they're on
2:15:22psilocybin when they're in meditation
2:15:25without taking anything.
2:15:27Um this is an interest that I think
2:15:30people innately have
2:15:33when they're not programmed.
2:15:34Cuz I keep saying to the scientists, I
2:15:36can't believe this is the truth. Like I
2:15:38can't believe it. Yeah. I can't believe
2:15:40it. It's like it's crazy. And it's not
2:15:43just like,
2:15:44you know, 10% of the people that we're
2:15:46studying have a, you know, two standard
2:15:49deviation change in their right parietal
2:15:51lobe, you know, in in 13 subjects out
2:15:54of, you know,
2:15:5650. It's not like that.
2:15:58It's like our data is like 77% of the
2:16:02population, 80% of the population, 84%
2:16:05of the population, 90% of the
2:16:07population, 95% of population, and in
2:16:10many studies 100% of the population.
2:16:14That's it's crazy, right? So, if you're
2:16:16reading that article and you're a
2:16:18scientist, you're doing that exact
2:16:19thing. You're going like this.
2:16:21Now, the crazy part about this
2:16:24is that when we show our data to
2:16:26reputable scientists and they're sitting
2:16:28there looking at it,
2:16:30>> [gasps and sighs]
2:16:30>> the most common thing they say is wait a
2:16:33second. Wait a second.
2:16:35You're telling me that these changes are
2:16:37taking place in 7 days? This isn't a
2:16:40This isn't a 1-year study. This is 7
2:16:43days. No way. They're They just It's
2:16:45unbelievable, right? And it has to be, I
2:16:47think, that shocking
2:16:50uh
2:16:51to tell a better story, right? And so,
2:16:53>> [gasps]
2:16:54>> the conversations that I'm having with
2:16:56researchers and uh physicians and and
2:16:59and health care providers
2:17:02and scientists are not the same
2:17:03conversation I was having just 2 years
2:17:05ago. I mean, uh people are lit up. Like,
2:17:08they're excited
2:17:10about what's we know what's humanly
2:17:12possible.
2:17:13So, I think it's again um
2:17:18I believe that on some level
2:17:21uh
2:17:21people that get into science are getting
2:17:24into science to discover something new.
2:17:27And one of our top scientists is family
2:17:29from India. Well, maybe he's from India.
2:17:31At Bioworks, we have two. And
2:17:34in the beginning, he tried everything he
2:17:36possibly could to break
2:17:39study.
2:17:40He saw the outcome. He's like, "No way.
2:17:43The body's making something that's
2:17:45causing the COVID virus to not enter the
2:17:48cell.
2:17:49No way."
2:17:51And then he tried it another way. He
2:17:52tried it another way. Tried to disprove
2:17:54it. And every time he's running the
2:17:56study, he's getting the same outcome.
2:17:58I know right in that moment and changing
2:18:00his belief. I know he's discovering
2:18:02something new. I know he's thinking this
2:18:05is unbelievable, right?
2:18:08So, the cell is actually greater than
2:18:09the environment in this in this
2:18:11circumstance.
2:18:13The researchers and scientists
2:18:16in our community that are part of the
2:18:17team have changed dramatically.
2:18:21They've
2:18:22They've changed dramatically in their
2:18:25beliefs about what is humanly possible.
2:18:28I asked them, "Why do you come to
2:18:30events?" A lot of the postdocs that come
2:18:33and the the researchers that are, you
2:18:35know, running the trials, that are
2:18:36looking under the microscope. "Why do
2:18:39you come? Why are you coming to sit for
2:18:417 days and do this?"
2:18:43They're like, "It's medicine."
2:18:45It's It's medicine. I'm here because
2:18:47it's it's actually medicine. It's kind
2:18:49of wild.
2:18:50So, we have a lot of papers we'll be
2:18:52publishing in the next year. You know,
2:18:55our breast milk study will be the next
2:18:56one that we publish that will be
2:18:58groundbreaking. You know, really
2:19:00groundbreaking. You know, we we studied
2:19:01women that have gone through a
2:19:037-day event and we measured their breast
2:19:05milk before and after and completely
2:19:07different breast milk at the end of 7
2:19:09days. There are factors in their breast
2:19:11milk
2:19:12um
2:19:13that will increase wound healing
2:19:15dramatically.
2:19:16There are factors that are
2:19:18anti-carcinogenic uh
2:19:20that were not there before. It's
2:19:21completely different breast milk and
2:19:23that's the information
2:19:25that the mother is passing to the
2:19:27infant. That's what the That's the
2:19:29instructions that the infant is getting
2:19:31as their first you know, their first uh
2:19:34exposure
2:19:35uh
2:19:36lots of food, right?
2:19:38Crazy. And what is also crazy because I
2:19:40was reading a research and published
2:19:42paper that you published 2 weeks ago.
2:19:45Yeah.
2:19:47>> And it's insane what you guys are you
2:19:49you you you just discovered or
2:19:52you wrote down in that paper. Can you
2:19:54explain my audience
2:19:56what do you mean by that? She's
2:19:57meditation is able to create
2:20:01an effect in brain which us which
2:20:03psychedelics does. Yeah.
2:20:05Yeah.
2:20:05Like no shrooms, no
2:20:08no
2:20:09no drugs,
2:20:10no intervention with any stuff. Maybe
2:20:12some sort of tea you guys give, I don't
2:20:14know.
2:20:15No, exactly. This is exactly the point
2:20:17cuz everybody goes, "What are you giving
2:20:18them?" We're like, "Nothing."
2:20:20There's
2:20:21our our
2:20:24our retreats are the perfect scientific
2:20:27environment. Everybody's getting up at
2:20:28the same time. Everybody's exposed to
2:20:31the same information. Everybody's eating
2:20:32at the same time. They're eating
2:20:34relatively the same food choices.
2:20:36They're sleeping at the same time.
2:20:37There's just kind of this controlled
2:20:39environment where we can really test all
2:20:41kinds of crazy things and we've got
2:20:43probably the largest database in the
2:20:44world on meditation. So, we decided to
2:20:48do some fMRI studies
2:20:50with novice meditators
2:20:53and advanced meditators. And
2:20:56we were looking for a few different
2:20:58things.
2:21:00We were looking for physiological
2:21:01changes in the brain and anatomical
2:21:03changes.
2:21:04And the first thing that we discovered
2:21:06with the advanced meditators is they
2:21:07actually grew an area of the brain
2:21:10larger. Like they had more neurons. They
2:21:12were volumetrically larger.
2:21:14Which is insane, right? And so then we
2:21:16were thinking,
2:21:18"Are there factors in the blood,
2:21:21you know, in the bloodstream that could
2:21:23be causing this growth?" And we just
2:21:25we've discovered all these
2:21:27fertilizers, you know, these
2:21:30these neurotrophic factors that actually
2:21:32were causing the brain to grow. Now,
2:21:34listen,
2:21:35it's crazy because I say to the
2:21:37scientists, "Where are those chemicals
2:21:39coming from? Where are they coming from?
2:21:41The person's not ingesting any neuro
2:21:44growth factor.
2:21:46Their man Their nervous system's
2:21:47manufacturing
2:21:50that that particular
2:21:53chemical, that that piece of information
2:21:56that's causing the brain to flourish, to
2:21:58grow, to expand, like grow new neurons
2:22:01and create new synaptic connections,
2:22:03this kind of integration, right?
2:22:06>> [sighs and gasps]
2:22:06>> And then and then we saw that
2:22:09that default mode network that we were
2:22:11talking about earlier, the brain's
2:22:13predictor, completely shut off. And if
2:22:16if it completely shuts off, that means
2:22:18that the brain's not using the same
2:22:20amount of energy any longer. So,
2:22:23the the the default mode network and the
2:22:25salient network were shut off to such a
2:22:28degree that looked like the person was
2:22:29taking psilocybin. It looks exactly the
2:22:32same, right? But they're not ingesting
2:22:35any psilocybin, which is crazy. Is it
2:22:37possible then that if they're if their
2:22:40economy of energy in the brain has been
2:22:45more prioritized, what's happening in
2:22:47the cells? And we discovered the cells
2:22:50are actually working at a way more
2:22:52efficient level, like a difference
2:22:53between burning a log and jet fuel. The
2:22:56cell is just way more efficient in the
2:22:59way it processes energy. Then we we saw
2:23:02that everybody's noticed a a decrease in
2:23:04pain. As we we started looking for those
2:23:07endogenous opioids or opiates, natural
2:23:10pain relievers.
2:23:12100% [gasps]
2:23:13of the people that we measured were
2:23:15making their own natural morphines,
2:23:17their own net pain relievers.
2:23:20And the cells were deconstructing and
2:23:22reconstructing at the same time. In
2:23:24other words, there was an enormous
2:23:26amount of change going on on a cellular
2:23:28level. Pro-inflammatory factors and
2:23:31anti-inflammatory factors happening, the
2:23:33cell was regenerating
2:23:35in real time, you know, changing in real
2:23:38time.
2:23:39And then we saw those different
2:23:41compartments of the brain that were
2:23:42divided and segregated and
2:23:45compartmentalized
2:23:46firing in a more unified way. The
2:23:49modulation, the the compartments were
2:23:52more holistic, and not just in a few
2:23:55people,
2:23:56in the majority of those people. So, we
2:23:58saw these dramatic changes.
2:24:00Uh those are few of them, there are
2:24:01more, but we saw these dramatic changes
2:24:03taking place in
2:24:05um
2:24:06we published the paper, and as I said,
2:24:08you know, it's gotten such great acclaim
2:24:09in in a very short amount of time. No
2:24:11matter where we are in the world,
2:24:13um but by around the fifth day, the
2:24:16fifth day seems to be,
2:24:18you know, unanimous at that point.
2:24:20Right around the fifth day, there's just
2:24:23everybody is beaming, everybody is
2:24:25joyful, everybody's loving, everybody's
2:24:27kind, everybody's caring, everybody's
2:24:30connected, supportive, and you see
2:24:32people change people.
2:24:34Everybody's grateful. There's like
2:24:36everything that their survival
2:24:39instincts, what they came with, somehow
2:24:41was gone. So, there's
2:24:44this kind of euphoria where they're very
2:24:45present, very relaxed, and very awake.
2:24:49In in
2:24:51the the the feeling probably would be
2:24:54this kind of euphoria. When the language
2:24:56specialists interview people that have
2:24:59had these transcendental moments,
2:25:03the most common word that they use is I
2:25:06felt it or I feel it. Like the feeling
2:25:09is the most pronounced word that tends
2:25:11to come up. And the feeling in is
2:25:13divided into two categories.
2:25:16One feeling is very somatic. Like they
2:25:18say, I could feel it in every cell of my
2:25:22body. I could feel like my top of my
2:25:24head blew off or there was there was
2:25:27energy like lightning coming out of my
2:25:29fingers, or my heart exploded or turned
2:25:32on like an engine.
2:25:34It's very somatic. Like they'll be like,
2:25:36"Wow, that was nothing I've ever felt
2:25:38before." And they can only use metaphors
2:25:40to be able to explain like this moment.
2:25:43And the other side is very emotional.
2:25:45They'll say,
2:25:46"I've never felt love like this in my
2:25:48life. Like
2:25:49>> [snorts]
2:25:49>> I I thought I knew what love was. This
2:25:51is This is next level. It's not
2:25:54chemical. It's It's something else."
2:25:56Like and I and they cannot find the
2:25:58words
2:25:59to describe that feeling cuz they're
2:26:01like, "It was connection,
2:26:03but it's not It's like like I remembered
2:26:05that I was I forgot that I'm love." You
2:26:07know, like they just You try to find the
2:26:09words. Um
2:26:11And as I said,
2:26:12um
2:26:13there's this kind of sense of change
2:26:16that takes place where
2:26:18you no don't feel like the same person
2:26:19any longer. Many times,
2:26:22as a side effect of that, a person has a
2:26:24very dramatic change in their health.
2:26:27Like there's something that where they
2:26:29had that they no longer have. Like they
2:26:30get an upgrade. Like the body's lifted
2:26:33uh by a new energy. And and they'll say,
2:26:35"Yeah, I I I had this condition like
2:26:38Parkinson's. I no longer have it." Or,
2:26:40you know, I I I I had eczema all over my
2:26:43body. I don't have eczema anymore." You
2:26:46know, whatever. You know, they have some
2:26:47type of change in their
2:26:49uh in their health, too.
2:26:52I I've read the testimonials. I've read
2:26:54all of these things. And I've heard
2:26:56about it from so many people who
2:26:58attended your retreats, as well.
2:27:00People say that
2:27:03there have been tumors which have
2:27:04disappeared.
2:27:06They've They've gotten their cancers
2:27:08better. Diseases got reversed. So many
2:27:11wild things. What is one transformation
2:27:13which you feel
2:27:15even till date even you can't believe
2:27:17it?
2:27:17>> Yeah.
2:27:17>> Like it's an unbelievable transformation
2:27:19story and you don't have a justification
2:27:20yourself. I can think of two. Okay. Now,
2:27:23one is from a young man from India
2:27:26uh that was diagnosed with uh muscular
2:27:29dystrophy.
2:27:30Now, if you get on the internet today
2:27:33and you Google muscular dystrophy and
2:27:34you look at Reuters or you look at uh
2:27:38Medscape or you you you look at any of
2:27:41the references.
2:27:43They'll tell you that there is no cure.
2:27:45There is no cure for muscular dystrophy.
2:27:47This guy came in a wheelchair. He came
2:27:50into London
2:27:51and he left the event walking.
2:27:54And I I just I watched his testimonial.
2:27:58In one week I must have watched it 50
2:28:00times because it I just I could not
2:28:02believe in
2:28:04this guy's story and
2:28:06he was so authentic
2:28:09in the way he was saying, "The way I
2:28:11feel right now, I haven't felt this way
2:28:13in 14 years." He's a young guy and his
2:28:16parents didn't want to tell him he had
2:28:17muscular dystrophy when he was young
2:28:19because they didn't want to like ruin
2:28:22his life and then as he got older he
2:28:24started falling
2:28:26and then he couldn't walk and then he
2:28:27wound up in a wheelchair and then they
2:28:28told him and the doctors told him,
2:28:30"You're going to have this going to get
2:28:31worse."
2:28:32And he was just on this search on this
2:28:34journey and then he came to London in a
2:28:36wheelchair
2:28:38and he's walking around in his life
2:28:40right now. I mean it's insane. That's
2:28:42one story.
2:28:44And then we had a woman that was
2:28:45diagnosed with colorectal cancer.
2:28:48And the typical procedure for that is to
2:28:51to surgically remove the colon and the
2:28:53rectum. So, they took out 9 cm
2:28:57of her colon and rectum. Now, when you
2:28:59lose that part of your body
2:29:01you have to have a bag because you can
2:29:04no longer control your bowel function.
2:29:07And on some level you lose your dignity,
2:29:09right? And so
2:29:11she spent the majority of her time
2:29:14next to a toilet her whole life. She
2:29:16couldn't walk. She told me she couldn't
2:29:18be more than 3 or 4 m from the toilet
2:29:20because she had to go back there and sit
2:29:23on it all the time.
2:29:24Anyway,
2:29:25they told her, "You're going to live
2:29:27with this. You're too old. Don't you
2:29:29know, don't expect any change." She
2:29:31didn't accept that.
2:29:32This is a crazy story cuz it
2:29:35it has challenged my belief.
2:29:38She told me that she started doing the
2:29:40work and she thought maybe I could grow
2:29:42my rectum and my colon back.
2:29:45And everybody told her she was crazy,
2:29:46right? And she did the work. She did the
2:29:49work. She did the work. At a certain
2:29:51point, she told me she was able to do
2:29:53She told me I couldn't do a meditation
2:29:55and get through it. I'd have to go to
2:29:57the toilet in 1 minute or 2 minutes and
2:29:59I would just do my meditation on the
2:30:00toilet, she said.
2:30:02And she said, "One day
2:30:04I was able to do my entire meditation
2:30:06without using the toilet." That's all
2:30:08she needed.
2:30:09That's all she needed. And then the next
2:30:11thing you know, she was able to become
2:30:13more mobile.
2:30:15And then she decided to come to a
2:30:17week-long retreat and she just thought,
2:30:19"I don't know how I'm going to do this,
2:30:20but I'm going to come."
2:30:22She sat through every single lecture
2:30:26and every single meditation without
2:30:28using the toilet. She went back to her
2:30:30doctor after that
2:30:32and she grew 5 cm of her colon back.
2:30:35Went on the scan. But I'm not done.
2:30:38She continued to do the work um and
2:30:40continued the the process.
2:30:43And um she stood on the stage and um she
2:30:46grew 10 cm of her rectum and colon back
2:30:49after she got 9 cm
2:30:52of her colon and rectum surgically
2:30:54removed. Now, what does that mean?
2:30:57That means the human body
2:31:00has the innate capacity
2:31:02to regenerate itself at any age if it's
2:31:04given the right information.
2:31:06I mean, growing tissues that are part of
2:31:09an organ that have been surgically
2:31:10removed, growing that back
2:31:14I didn't even want to say anything
2:31:15publicly about that because it's it's
2:31:18not easy for people to wrap their mind
2:31:20around it, but no different than a
2:31:22salamander or an octopus,
2:31:24um she she she was able to restore
2:31:27tissue on her body and and yeah, she
2:31:29just came to an event a few months ago
2:31:31and
2:31:32she's living her life. Yeah.
2:31:35And that's a that's a strong footprint
2:31:36in consciousness
2:31:38because that means that if she can do it
2:31:40>> How is that possible like
2:31:43Well, [clears throat] um
2:31:45What's happening?
2:31:46I do think that it's a it's a a very
2:31:49long journey. I mean, it took her a few
2:31:52years to do, but she
2:31:54she was she never gave up. I mean, when
2:31:56you're
2:31:57in the meditative state, if you know
2:31:59exactly how to do this,
2:32:02if you can open the door between your
2:32:04conscious mind and your subconscious
2:32:06mind,
2:32:07and your subconscious mind is your
2:32:09autonomic nervous system.
2:32:11Autonomic meaning automatic or
2:32:13autonomous. It's functioning
2:32:15independently of your conscious mind.
2:32:18It has an innate intelligence, right?
2:32:20To restore and repair and regenerate.
2:32:24So, if the door is open
2:32:26and you're able to provide the autonomic
2:32:29nervous system with the right
2:32:31information and intention is that
2:32:34information,
2:32:36the intention will serve as information
2:32:38and the autonomic nervous system will
2:32:40take that information and begin to
2:32:42manufacture
2:32:44chemicals and hormones that begin to
2:32:47restore and repair the body to
2:32:49regenerate it in some level. And it's
2:32:50got to be very specific. And and I saw
2:32:53the scan.
2:32:55It's not like a
2:32:56a rectum and colon that has scar tissue
2:32:59and partially developed. This is like
2:33:01a brand new regenerated
2:33:04juvenile opalescent
2:33:06beautiful tissue. It's it's it's crazy.
2:33:09Yeah. Why aren't they teaching this in
2:33:11medical schools then? Well, [laughter]
2:33:12it's really interesting. Um Because you
2:33:14have a lot of data and a lot of
2:33:15researches to prove it now.
2:33:17>> Yeah. Well, I mean, again, the
2:33:18conversations I'm having with
2:33:20universities are very different. I mean,
2:33:22the the the department head, the chair
2:33:24of the department of anesthesiology at
2:33:26the University of California, San Diego,
2:33:29um you know, we're talking about um
2:33:32doing a course for medical students
2:33:35uh at the at the school there on the
2:33:37mind-body connection.
2:33:39And the reason that's important to me is
2:33:41that this work is not for everybody,
2:33:43Rush, you know?
2:33:45Um some people my mother was like
2:33:47traditional medicine, like she just was
2:33:49she believed in her doctor, and whatever
2:33:51her doctor said, she would do.
2:33:52>> [gasps]
2:33:53>> And and I and I don't want to force this
2:33:55down anybody's throat, but the the
2:33:58faculty there is thinking in a really
2:34:00profound way, because let's say you
2:34:03decide to become
2:34:05a plastic surgeon, or you become a brain
2:34:07surgeon, or you uh you know, you become
2:34:11an oncologist, right?
2:34:13And um you you're exposed to the course
2:34:16that we teach where that you see all
2:34:18this crazy stuff,
2:34:20and you have a patient that shows up in
2:34:22your clinic,
2:34:24and the person says, "I was diagnosed
2:34:26with this condition. I want to try this
2:34:29meditation stuff while I'm getting my
2:34:31treatments, or while I'm getting, you
2:34:33know, my I I want to work with you."
2:34:36The doctor's not going to say,
2:34:38"That's not that's not realistic, or
2:34:41that's junk, or you know, I'm not going
2:34:43to see you, or discourage the person."
2:34:46The doctor's going to say, "You know
2:34:47what?
2:34:49I saw the data when I was in medical
2:34:51school. I saw what's possible. I mean, I
2:34:54don't know enough about it, but I'll
2:34:56help you if you want to do it, but let's
2:34:58just make sure we test you every few
2:35:00months. Let's make sure that you're
2:35:02progressing in the right direction."
2:35:04Now the doctor's encouraging the
2:35:06patient, and engaging them in a way
2:35:08like, "Go ahead, but you know, let's do
2:35:10what we do, and let's see if we can go
2:35:12from point A to point B." Like
2:35:15so many doctors now, when they see that
2:35:18when their patient shows up they all say
2:35:20the same thing when they do this they
2:35:21see the scans they all say the same
2:35:22thing.
2:35:23I don't know what you're doing
2:35:26but whatever you're doing keep doing it.
2:35:28That's what they tell their patients
2:35:29now.
2:35:30And now we're having enormous amounts of
2:35:33physicians
2:35:34and uh researchers showing up at our
2:35:36events. They're just blown away. It's
2:35:39pretty exciting time, yeah.
2:35:41You know when you do more meditations I
2:35:43was reading somewhere when you get
2:35:44closer to all of this
2:35:49you you have you start to develop a good
2:35:52relationship with death.
2:35:54You are not scared of it anymore.
2:35:57So are you are you scared of death? Not
2:35:58really, no. What has changed when you
2:36:01were young and not exposed to all of
2:36:03this stuff and probably 40 years later
2:36:06today?
2:36:06>> Yeah. God I've lived so much life.
2:36:09Um
2:36:10I I do think I do I mean it's taken me a
2:36:13while to believe that I'm eternal.
2:36:16But but I do believe that we're eternal
2:36:18and if you're eternal
2:36:20um gosh um what is there to be afraid of
2:36:24when it comes to death, right? I mean
2:36:26um I've had some mystical experiences
2:36:28that have changed my view of death in
2:36:32some ways.
2:36:34Uh so
2:36:36I don't know I think it I think what
2:36:38we've been programmed to believe about
2:36:40death
2:36:41is not what it really is. And And one of
2:36:43the things that I'm really fascinated
2:36:45with I've always been fascinated with
2:36:47from the time I was 18 years old
2:36:49um cuz my dad asked me to read this book
2:36:52um is just kind of these near-death
2:36:54experiences where people you know have a
2:36:57near-death experience they review their
2:36:59life or they they see the their life
2:37:01from a different perspective and they
2:37:03come back, you know, and they tell their
2:37:05story of what their experience was. I've
2:37:07never heard a person who had a
2:37:09near-death experience say that it was
2:37:11horrible.
2:37:12They said 100% of the time there was so
2:37:14much love.
2:37:15Uh and there they felt they were bathed
2:37:17in some
2:37:19light or some frequency that somehow was
2:37:22profoundly healing to them. And it
2:37:25changed the way they they
2:37:27when they came back changed the way that
2:37:28they saw life.
2:37:30So um
2:37:32I think we have to just redefine our you
2:37:35know our our
2:37:37our programming around what we think
2:37:39death is. Um
2:37:42And I and I and I think that um the more
2:37:45you interact in consciousness
2:37:47uh I think the more you I think the more
2:37:50we see it differently. But at what point
2:37:52do you think intentions
2:37:55meditation will
2:37:58power of practice of what do you do
2:38:01will be able to defy death at some
2:38:03point. Will it be ever?
2:38:08Can thoughts delay death?
2:38:11Um I think there are timelines, you
2:38:13know, more probable timelines for
2:38:15certain people.
2:38:16I think there's a soul that's involved
2:38:19in our life, you know, and I think the
2:38:20soul negotiates certain things
2:38:23uh before we enter this life.
2:38:26But I do think people change timelines
2:38:28uh when they when they decide to change.
2:38:31In other words
2:38:33in some way they're reborn as a new
2:38:35person in the same life without having
2:38:37to die, you know, and they become
2:38:39somebody else, right? In in a way that's
2:38:42a
2:38:42the birthing process sometimes is
2:38:44uncomfortable, it's painful, and they
2:38:46kind of emerge, you know, as a different
2:38:48person. And so they're on a different
2:38:50timeline
2:38:51than the timeline where they were
2:38:53diagnosed with a certain condition. I'm
2:38:55using that as a or a certain timeline
2:38:57where they're going to have a certain
2:38:59experience in their life that could lead
2:39:01to their death. They're on a whole
2:39:02different timeline that can change their
2:39:06that change their all of eternity,
2:39:08change their future in all of eternity.
2:39:12And I do think, you know, there's a
2:39:13realistic element of the soul where
2:39:16um
2:39:18you know, it negotiates certain things
2:39:19and you know, people
2:39:21uh have to fulfill those uh you know,
2:39:24those obligations. Let me Let me ask you
2:39:27something which a lot of
2:39:29my friends and I struggle with. Okay,
2:39:31it's another
2:39:33personal thing that
2:39:35I grew up with
2:39:39with seeing lot of
2:39:41problems in my family that with regards
2:39:43to finances.
2:39:45We almost grew up with financial
2:39:47insecurity.
2:39:49I've seen my dad struggling to the tea.
2:39:52We had nothing. We had to change houses.
2:39:54There was fights in the family for
2:39:56finances the moment they had little
2:39:58money.
2:39:59And then we had to leave the house and
2:40:00live in a very small
2:40:02uh apartment with me, my mom, my dad, my
2:40:05brother, and break a joint family.
2:40:08Then we came back.
2:40:11Then my father started making little
2:40:12money and then his factory got burned.
2:40:15Like there was fire in the factory. So
2:40:17then we lost again. So I I've seen like
2:40:18lot of turmoils.
2:40:20And I've seen lot of fights in the
2:40:22family. And now in last couple of years,
2:40:26I've seen a lot of abundance where I've
2:40:28started making a good amount of money.
2:40:30My father has started making good amount
2:40:32of money. We all live a good life where
2:40:34finances no more problem.
2:40:36But still there's some sort of financial
2:40:38insecurity in my head.
2:40:41And that tells me that I want to make
2:40:42more money.
2:40:43And I'm completely honest about it. But
2:40:46then
2:40:48it's almost like when you say that you
2:40:52want to make more money, people try to
2:40:54put guilt on you. It's like am I allowed
2:40:56to say that?
2:40:57By doing all the practices that you say,
2:41:00by doing manifestation, imagining a
2:41:02better future for myself, by creating
2:41:04the abundant self.
2:41:06If I use these techniques and strategies
2:41:08and everything, the practice and
2:41:10meditations,
2:41:12if I use these things to attract more
2:41:15abundance, is that wrong?
2:41:18Uh I don't think in terms of right and
2:41:19wrong most of the time.
2:41:21I think that you either believe that
2:41:24you're the creator of your life or you
2:41:26don't.
2:41:27And I really don't care. People come to
2:41:29our work for all kinds of reasons. They
2:41:32come to get healthy or to heal.
2:41:35They come to become wealthy or abundant.
2:41:38They come for love, a relationship. They
2:41:41come for a new life, a new career. They
2:41:43come for a mystical experience. They
2:41:45come for community. It doesn't matter
2:41:48to me [snorts] what why people come.
2:41:51I think
2:41:52the divine accepts all possibilities,
2:41:55right?
2:41:57But what important What is important is
2:42:00for them to learn how to create.
2:42:03And if it's abundance, so be it. If it's
2:42:05health, so be it. If it's romance, so be
2:42:08it. It It doesn't matter.
2:42:11But what I will tell you
2:42:13that most people who actually create the
2:42:16life that they want and they finally
2:42:18reach the life that they want, the first
2:42:20thing they do when they reach that life
2:42:22is they become very generous.
2:42:24They want to give everything that
2:42:25they've worked so hard to create to
2:42:27someone else or make a difference in
2:42:29someone else's life, to make a
2:42:31difference, to have a vision or a
2:42:33mission or a purpose that's bigger than
2:42:35them. So,
2:42:38what we discovered though is the reason
2:42:40that people really come more than
2:42:42anything else is for wholeness.
2:42:44Imagine you feel so whole
2:42:47that you no longer want. Imagine you
2:42:49feel so whole that you no longer have
2:42:51that lack where you feel like you need
2:42:53to make more money. So, wholeness then,
2:42:57how could you want when you feel whole,
2:42:59right? It's impossible.
2:43:01And that's kind of a great state to be
2:43:03in because when you feel whole,
2:43:05that's when you no longer have to get up
2:43:06and work so hard to do something to get
2:43:09what you want. When you feel whole,
2:43:11somehow
2:43:13things come to you, right? Instead of
2:43:15creating from lack or separation,
2:43:17creating from wholeness just shortens
2:43:19the distance between the thought of what
2:43:21you want and the experience of having
2:43:23it, right? And when you be able when
2:43:25you're shortening those distance
2:43:26distances, you're you're proving to
2:43:28yourself on some level that you're the
2:43:29creator. Now,
2:43:31to answer your first question,
2:43:34children and young people that are
2:43:36exposed to
2:43:38their environment, which is primarily
2:43:40their caregivers, whether it's their
2:43:41parents or their grandparents,
2:43:43we have neurons in our brain called
2:43:45mirror neurons. And mirror neurons are
2:43:47empathy neurons. When you feed a baby,
2:43:50you kind of pick the spoon up and you go
2:43:51like this.
2:43:53You do that and the baby opens their
2:43:55mouth. You don't think you're doing
2:43:56that, but you're doing that, and the
2:43:58baby's actually modeling your behavior,
2:44:00right? So, that's a fundamentally simple
2:44:03one.
2:44:04A lioness
2:44:05who's training her cubs how to hunt,
2:44:08when she's stalking the predator the the
2:44:11prey,
2:44:12the same circuits in the brain
2:44:14that the mother is using, the lioness is
2:44:16using to stalk the prey, the same
2:44:18circuits are being primed in the three
2:44:20cubs.
2:44:21They're She's priming the brain for that
2:44:23behavior, right?
2:44:26You're exposed to your parents and you
2:44:28see a lot of financial hardships, that
2:44:30is what's going in.
2:44:32The younger you are when that happens,
2:44:34the more it starts to program people
2:44:36subconsciously. Why? Because when you're
2:44:38a child, your brain waves are a lot
2:44:40slower.
2:44:41And, you know, the first the 12 years, 7
2:44:43to 12 years of your life, you're not in
2:44:45beta.
2:44:47You're in delta, theta, and alpha. And
2:44:50so, there's no
2:44:52there's no editor. Everything's going in
2:44:54without being encoded in any way. It's
2:44:57just going straight in, right? So,
2:45:00unencoded. Nothing's going in unencoded.
2:45:02It's all on some level making its way
2:45:05subconsciously right back to the, you
2:45:07know, subconscious mind. So, money is
2:45:09the root of all evil. We never have
2:45:11enough money.
2:45:13We have to work hard to be a success.
2:45:15That is the information that's going in
2:45:18subconsciously programming a person. So,
2:45:21a person who's exposed to that may make
2:45:23up their mind and say, "I will never
2:45:26ever live my life in lack. I don't care
2:45:29if I have to study and get 10 degrees. I
2:45:32don't care if what I have to do, but I'm
2:45:34never going to live like my parents or
2:45:36never going to live like in lack like
2:45:37that." Other people just go, "This is
2:45:39normal.
2:45:41Uh this is what my reality is, and I
2:45:43can't get any better than this." It's
2:45:45programmed in their subconscious. It
2:45:46turns out the subconscious mind runs the
2:45:48show, right? So,
2:45:51the person may consciously want to be a
2:45:53wealthy or abundant, but they're
2:45:56subconsciously programmed into, you
2:45:58know, the experience of lack, right?
2:46:01And so, what is what is what is the
2:46:04soul's journey then?
2:46:06You may think, "Oh, the person should
2:46:07become abundant then." No.
2:46:10What it really is is the person should
2:46:12change the program.
2:46:14And when they change the program from
2:46:16lack, and they're no longer in that
2:46:18state any longer, the the abundance is
2:46:21the side effect of their change, right?
2:46:23So,
2:46:25I have no opinion on abundance. I think
2:46:27everybody should be abundant. But, what
2:46:30is your definition of abundance, really?
2:46:32For me, it's having more than I need.
2:46:35So much more than I need that when I
2:46:36give you something, it's not a big deal,
2:46:38cuz I know that I have way more, or I
2:46:40can make more, or create more. So, I
2:46:42don't have a problem giving. Abundant
2:46:44people
2:46:45do not have a problem giving. Now, some
2:46:47people may have a definition of
2:46:49abundance where they want to be able to
2:46:51do whatever they want
2:46:53with whoever they want as many times as
2:46:55they want where you know, wherever they
2:46:57want.
2:46:58That's totally fine with me, but in time
2:47:01if you're truly on the path
2:47:04your definition will always change,
2:47:06right? And and
2:47:07because
2:47:09you think abundance is just about an
2:47:10abundance of money?
2:47:12What about abundance of time? What about
2:47:14abundance of freedom? What about of
2:47:16love? What about abundance of friends?
2:47:19What about abundance of mystical
2:47:21experience, abundance of opportunities?
2:47:24You don't money, you need opportunities,
2:47:26abundance of synchronicities,
2:47:28abundance of virtue. I mean
2:47:31we should never limit our definition of
2:47:33abundance to just be about financial
2:47:36wealth. People say to me, "Well, I I
2:47:37have this great idea. I want to create
2:47:40this business, but I don't have any
2:47:41money." And I always say to them, "Why
2:47:42do you need money?
2:47:44You need opportunity.
2:47:45What's the opportunity that you need?
2:47:47Focus on the opportunity, forget the
2:47:49money.
2:47:50People just have they have it framed in
2:47:52a certain way.
2:47:54And then the last point is is
2:47:57is your relationship with money.
2:48:01I have a great relationship with money.
2:48:03I've always had a great relationship
2:48:04with money. I've always felt like I
2:48:07always felt like I could create money.
2:48:09It's never a thing for me.
2:48:11But I have a good relationship with
2:48:12money cuz I'm really clear. And then
2:48:15what I want to do more than anything
2:48:16else is I want to be loyal
2:48:19to the people that are loyal to me.
2:48:21My team, my staff
2:48:24I grow, you grow. That's my I want
2:48:26everybody around me to love their job.
2:48:30I want my children to feel like they
2:48:32have more than they need. They're adults
2:48:34now.
2:48:35But I don't want them I I want them to
2:48:37understand how to create that.
2:48:40And I want and I want to be able to have
2:48:42people who love their job and work for
2:48:44me
2:48:45share the same mission and vision. Like
2:48:47we're making a difference in the world.
2:48:48Like that's that's a vision that's
2:48:50bigger than me. Like it's not about me
2:48:52any longer. It's I never want this to be
2:48:54about me. I want it to be about you. I
2:48:56want you to prove to yourself that you
2:48:58can do it. And when [snorts] you arrive
2:49:00there, the first thing you're going to
2:49:01do is you're going to go into your
2:49:02parents' home and you're going to say,
2:49:04"Take this."
2:49:06And then you're going to go and see your
2:49:07your family and say, "I want to I want
2:49:09to do this for you." And that's exactly
2:49:11what abundant people do. I've watched it
2:49:12happen.
2:49:13People in our community that were
2:49:15bankrupt,
2:49:17that were running from the authorities,
2:49:19that came out of jail, that didn't have
2:49:22$2 to rub together. They said words they
2:49:24all used.
2:49:27You know, multi-million dollar, you
2:49:29know, people right now. I was at a
2:49:31restaurant with one of them. Uh
2:49:34this guy was
2:49:36in trouble. He was running.
2:49:38And he just had huge change. He created
2:49:41all this abundance and he was wearing
2:49:43this beautiful gold and diamond necklace
2:49:45and the waiter
2:49:46was watching him the whole time.
2:49:49At the end of the meal, he took the the
2:49:51necklace off and he handed it to the
2:49:52waiter.
2:49:54He just winked at him. The waiter was
2:49:55freaked out. And I looked at him and
2:49:57said,
2:49:59"I
2:50:00I created another one. Like what's the
2:50:01big deal?" Like what is the big deal,
2:50:03right? So,
2:50:04>> [gasps]
2:50:04>> your definition of abundance should
2:50:06never stop evolving as you evolve.
2:50:10And so, frame it in a way that's
2:50:13inclusive.
2:50:14Frame it in a way that like everybody
2:50:17that's created abundance in our work,
2:50:19they realize like,
2:50:20"Oh my god, I just thought it was about
2:50:22money." No, no, no, no.
2:50:24When I started thinking about the what I
2:50:26wanted to create for everybody, it was
2:50:29no longer
2:50:30the a selfish motivation.
2:50:33The highest form of motivation is duty
2:50:35motivation or mission motivation where
2:50:38you're you're considering the whole
2:50:39making a difference and just it's not
2:50:41about you.
2:50:43When you get up in the morning and you
2:50:45have a mission
2:50:46it's very different than when you get up
2:50:48in the morning and you have to make
2:50:49money.
2:50:50You
2:50:51I'll tell you the definition I have
2:50:55with the abundance.
2:50:58I almost have sometimes I think about
2:51:01I've created this where
2:51:04I give a lot
2:51:06to my parents, to my family, to the
2:51:08people who are working with me and I'm
2:51:10but then I also take that as a duty and
2:51:12a responsibility that I need to be
2:51:14working so much and I need to create so
2:51:18much more so that I can
2:51:20probably give it to more people and help
2:51:22more people.
2:51:24And
2:51:25it's almost like
2:51:27it's constant battle where one side I'm
2:51:29like I'm doing it for people and it's
2:51:32good that I'm I'm creating more wealth
2:51:33for everybody around me and then at the
2:51:35same time I'm like
2:51:38like
2:51:39if if not me then who will do it? Yeah.
2:51:42And I think I think that
2:51:44um you'll evolve with that. I mean I'm a
2:51:46very generous person.
2:51:48But I also I only will uh I I only will
2:51:51do it when I feel like the person is
2:51:53ready
2:51:54or they're they they appreciate it. Uh
2:51:56and and I think the greatest form of
2:51:58gratitude
2:52:00that you'll ever ever receive in your
2:52:02life is when you receive gratitude from
2:52:04somebody else. That's the greatest
2:52:05feeling when you a person is authentic
2:52:08and goes my god you changed my life.
2:52:10Mhm.
2:52:11So I think there's timing
2:52:13and there's order
2:52:15and you need to you know there's a kind
2:52:17of a moment where you know.
2:52:19And uh because I think human nature then
2:52:21people become dependent on people who
2:52:24give and then that doesn't feel good any
2:52:27longer. So
2:52:28I think you're young enough and you know
2:52:30open enough where you've created a
2:52:32certain amount, but I think your
2:52:34discernment and knowing when to do that
2:52:37and who to do it with will just continue
2:52:39to evolve because sometimes it's not
2:52:41about family. Sometimes it's just
2:52:43finding somebody on the street and just
2:52:44saying, "Hey, come on, let me just buy
2:52:46you a cup of coffee and feed you." Like
2:52:49I think those like when I study
2:52:51near-death experiences,
2:52:53when people review their life,
2:52:55the most important things that they say
2:52:59are not the amount of money they make or
2:53:01any of that stuff. It's just that moment
2:53:02where they changed someone's life. Where
2:53:04that person was struggling and they just
2:53:06said the right thing or did something
2:53:08for them at the right time and they saw
2:53:10that how that changed that person and
2:53:12how it changed how they were with their
2:53:13children and how the children changed
2:53:16and how their timelines changed and
2:53:18everything changed because of that
2:53:19moment. So,
2:53:20I think it works in mysterious ways,
2:53:22right? It doesn't only have to be with
2:53:24taking care of the people that we love
2:53:26>> [sighs and gasps]
2:53:27>> because if we're doing it out of
2:53:28obligation or we're doing it for any
2:53:31other reason than to truly give, I think
2:53:33it'll ultimately change you. Do you
2:53:36think top 0.01%
2:53:39people who are the top athletes, the
2:53:41World Cup champions, the Olympic
2:53:43winners, the the entrepreneurs, the
2:53:45multi-billionaires,
2:53:48do you think these people they go to
2:53:51retreats like these, practice gratitude,
2:53:55Yeah.
2:53:55>> meditation and stuff like that?
2:53:56>> for a fact. Absolutely. Or do are they
2:53:59like wired differently to just keep sort
2:54:01of winning certain thing and be obsessed
2:54:03with what they have and don't even care
2:54:05about all of these things?
2:54:05>> It's very difficult to categorize
2:54:07at this point.
2:54:09Mhm, but I will tell you I've sat with
2:54:11billionaires more than one.
2:54:14And the first line they said to me is,
2:54:16"We are miserable.
2:54:17We are in agony. We are We can't even
2:54:20enjoy a sunset."
2:54:22And I have sat with professional
2:54:25athletes that have come to our work that
2:54:26a standard of excellence that is so high
2:54:31and so precise and they're still unhappy
2:54:33in their life and I say take that same
2:54:35discipline and turn it in on you.
2:54:38Turn it in on you. Not like not like
2:54:41your craft. Not like your sport, but
2:54:44turn this turn that in on you. When I
2:54:47tell you to open your heart when you get
2:54:48your brain organized.
2:54:49>> [gasps]
2:54:50>> Take what you've you've developed in
2:54:52terms of great habits and skills to get
2:54:55you where you are
2:54:57and now
2:54:58turn it in on you and make yourself a
2:55:00work of art. Make yourself your [snorts]
2:55:02project.
2:55:04I've
2:55:06I've I've interviewed like a lot of
2:55:08these people
2:55:09and
2:55:10I asked them these questions and and a
2:55:12lot of them believe in visualization.
2:55:15But almost nobody has talked about
2:55:18anything beyond that.
2:55:20Is that a Is there a reason they don't
2:55:21talk about it or is there Do you think
2:55:23they don't do it? Are you talking about
2:55:25athletes or just anybody?
2:55:26>> Just anybody who who's it like top 0.01%
2:55:29of their game, whatever game they're
2:55:30playing. Yeah, I think the majority of
2:55:32those people spend a certain amount of
2:55:34time alone
2:55:36which I think is so healthy. I'm I spend
2:55:38a lot of time alone. I need that.
2:55:41Uh cuz the rest of the time I'm serving.
2:55:44And they're always learning
2:55:47and always going back breaking down what
2:55:49they've done
2:55:51and going at it again. Like rebuilding
2:55:53it again. They have a model and they
2:55:55just say you know, I've done this really
2:55:57well.
2:55:58How am I going to get to the next level
2:56:00for me? Okay, it's no longer about who
2:56:02I'm competing against.
2:56:04It's about me, right? So if you look at
2:56:06just use a professional athlete as an
2:56:08example.
2:56:09You You have a professional athlete run
2:56:12a 40-m dash or 40-yd dash. The majority
2:56:15of them run pretty much pretty close to
2:56:17the same speed.
2:56:19But what makes that very small
2:56:21percentage of a professional athlete
2:56:23great
2:56:25is their mind.
2:56:26It's just that willingness to stay a
2:56:28little longer,
2:56:30go a little go again, work it out, not
2:56:34get frustrated.
2:56:35The athlete
2:56:37who loves the game,
2:56:39like really loves the game. When they
2:56:42have a great shot,
2:56:43they love the game.
2:56:45When they have a bad shot, they just
2:56:47say,
2:56:48"Uh, I still love the game. All right,
2:56:50I'm going to try again." Like they don't
2:56:52they don't undermine themselves with a
2:56:54bad attitude or a reaction. And that's
2:56:57been cultured in them.
2:56:59And so, what comes with that is a lot of
2:57:01humility, all right? Instead of
2:57:04arrogance. What comes with that is a
2:57:06certain level of self-awareness. Yeah.
2:57:09Um, what comes with that
2:57:12is an uncompromising will.
2:57:14What comes with that is understanding
2:57:16that you have to put in your time. You
2:57:18have to put in your time.
2:57:20And where where you may want may want to
2:57:23stop, may not be the point to stop, all
2:57:25right? There's just that next level. And
2:57:27we've all done this in our life, where
2:57:29you're just like, "I'm not satisfied. I
2:57:31got to go again." Yeah. And I I think
2:57:34that's how people uh heal also. It's the
2:57:36same thing. It's the same principles at
2:57:39work.
2:57:41True.
2:57:42Okay, here's my last question. It is It
2:57:44was lovely talking to you. If
2:57:46if somebody's watching this right now,
2:57:48wherever they are, in maybe a good state
2:57:51or a miserable state,
2:57:54if
2:57:55you want them to just pick up one
2:57:57conversation or one thing from this
2:57:59entire podcast, what would it be? And
2:58:02what would you want them to feel? Not
2:58:04think, not believe. What do you want
2:58:06them to feel after listening to this
2:58:07conversation?
2:58:09Uh, maybe like nothing changes in our
2:58:11life until we change.
2:58:14And change is the most constant thing in
2:58:16the universe.
2:58:18And you could either wait for the
2:58:20crisis, the trauma, the diagnosis to
2:58:23change, you know, when you're at your
2:58:25lowest level. You can learn and change
2:58:27in a state of pain and suffering, or you
2:58:29can learn and change in a state of joy
2:58:30and inspiration.
2:58:32Either way, the the model is that when
2:58:35you change, your life changes. So,
2:58:37>> [snorts]
2:58:38>> if you can invest a little time in your
2:58:41life in asking yourself the important
2:58:44question, "Who do I want to be
2:58:47in my life? How do I want to live my
2:58:49life? What do I want in my life?"
2:58:51Instead of turning on your cell phone
2:58:54and getting distracted.
2:58:55Discipline yourself to take an hour to
2:58:57answer those questions. Write it down,
2:59:01review it, change it, get very clear on
2:59:03it, and spend a certain amount of time
2:59:05nurturing whatever that dream is. Think
2:59:08of the people in your life that you
2:59:10admire,
2:59:11and start behaving differently. Start
2:59:14making different choices. Think about
2:59:15the choices that they may make and how
2:59:18you may want to make those choices.
2:59:20>> [gasps]
2:59:20>> And then and then at a certain level,
2:59:22you got to trust the unknown.
2:59:24Because
2:59:25for most people, it's a scary place, but
2:59:27the unknown never lets us down,
2:59:29especially if we have to believe in
2:59:31ourselves. So, I don't think anybody is
2:59:34so special
2:59:35to be excluded from this. You can't tell
2:59:38me you're too old to do this work. I've
2:59:40seen our elders with beautiful brain
2:59:41scans and beautiful heart scans,
2:59:43beautiful biological changes. You can't
2:59:45tell me you're too sick to do this work.
2:59:47I've seen really sick people heal from
2:59:49all kinds of conditions.
2:59:51Or you can't tell me you're too broke.
2:59:52I've seen people manifest all kinds of
2:59:55wealth in their life.
2:59:56Um
2:59:57you can't tell me that you never
2:59:59meditated before. I've seen people that
3:00:01never meditate before have beautiful
3:00:03changes in their biology and in their
3:00:05life.
3:00:07And you know, you you can't even say
3:00:09I've had a miserable past or my life is
3:00:11falling apart and it'll never ever work
3:00:14cuz I've seen people come from really,
3:00:16really horrific pasts and and
3:00:19live a completely different life. So,
3:00:21try it out. Like, try it out. Just
3:00:25dedicate a certain amount of time to
3:00:27investing in yourself and and believing
3:00:29in yourself and and and be defined by
3:00:33that vision of your future instead of
3:00:35the
3:00:36the memories of the past and make time
3:00:38to tell the story of your future instead
3:00:40of the story of your past. And and see
3:00:42where that leads you. One coincidence,
3:00:45one synchronicity, one opportunity is
3:00:47going to prove to you that you're the
3:00:48creator of your life.
3:00:50Thank you so much.
3:00:51>> You're welcome.
3:00:52>> Thank you so much for doing this.
3:00:54Um
3:00:55thank you so much for doing the work
3:00:56which is
3:00:58impacting millions of lives.
3:01:00And there are so many people who are
3:01:02seeing magic happen because of what you
3:01:05teach and what you do. So, thank you so
3:01:07much for keep doing it.
3:01:09And I just want to say this that
3:01:12maybe during the conversation I must
3:01:14have felt like a cynic at some point,
3:01:16but I'm a big believer of visualization.
3:01:18I'm a big believer of creating your new
3:01:21reality. I sit down with myself very
3:01:23often, almost every day,
3:01:25where I think about how I'm going to
3:01:28create my future and what that reality
3:01:31looks like. In fact, before every
3:01:32podcast, I was almost rehearsing in my
3:01:34own brain, and I could see you doing
3:01:36certain things like snapshot and all of
3:01:38that, and it happened in
3:01:41Thank you so much for doing this. I'm
3:01:43I'm a big believer of visualization. It
3:01:45has impacted my life a lot. No, of
3:01:46course you are. I mean, you're the
3:01:48example of it. I think you're you were
3:01:50speaking to the critics
3:01:52yeah, that really will argue for their
3:01:54limitations on some level, and it's
3:01:57healthy to do that because
3:01:59I'm a practical person. Like, my my
3:02:02mother was a very practical person.
3:02:04And
3:02:05yeah, it's it it has to be practical. It
3:02:08has to you have to on some level
3:02:10understand that that it could possibly
3:02:13be the truth. And what if it was the
3:02:15truth? Like, what if it was the truth
3:02:18that you could create your life or or
3:02:20you could uncreate something in your
3:02:22life and recreate something else in your
3:02:23life. What if it's the truth? So, I I
3:02:26appreciate that. I understand why you do
3:02:28it and and I I'm aware that you are.
3:02:30Thank you so much.
3:02:31>> Hey, God. It's nice to meet you.
3:02:33>> He's gone and come here.
3:02:50Thank you so much for watching this
3:02:52podcast till the end.
3:02:54Please let us know in the comments
3:02:56what all did we do right so that we can
3:02:58improve and keep doing that better and
3:03:00what all did we do wrong so that we
3:03:02never repeat it. And at the same time,
3:03:04please give us suggestions of who's the
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