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0:00if your thoughts can make you sick is it
0:01possible that your thoughts can make you
0:03well neurochemically you're conditioning
0:04the mind and body to begin to work as
0:06one and when the body now knows how to
0:08do it better than the mind now it's
0:09implicit it's innate it's automatic it's
0:11easy it's familiar we become that
0:13knowledge and if a person's able to do
0:15that reinvent the new way of thinking a
0:16new way of Behaving a new way of feeling
0:18will it be reflected in their biology
0:21emotions are just a chemical record of
0:23the past right what does that mean a
0:24chemical record of the past cuz I have
0:26emotions in the present moment what
0:28takes place from coherence is another
0:31phase called resonance so now the person
0:33is really relaxed in their heart and
0:36instead of stressed out unconscious
0:38somehow they tend to be way more
0:41conscious this is the signature of aha
0:43the signature of
0:48insight Joe I've been looking forward to
0:51this conversation for a long time and
0:53we've got a mutual friend Peter Park yes
0:56and you know he he has trained the best
0:58of the best of the best physical
0:59training
1:00and he's he's helped me in immense ways
1:04both physically but just as a friend um
1:07and so he when he recommended so he
1:09pulled me aside and he was like Mike do
1:11you know Jenza and I said no and he says
1:14what do you think of him and I said well
1:16I don't know enough but I've what I
1:18followed along is like really compelling
1:22and he says I think you guys got to meet
1:24I said I'd love to and so that's how
1:26this that's how this conversation
1:28started and
1:30you know uh what is your relationship
1:32with Peter like well Peter's an anomaly
1:35first of all I mean he talk about a
1:37mindset of a champion uh I think he
1:39really has uh really some innate innate
1:43Talent around that and and then a really
1:45strong developed skill set around it so
1:48um covid happened I was training in one
1:51gym they closed all the gyms and um
1:54Peter was a friend I knew I knew him
1:56well enough but never trained with him
1:58and and he I just said can I just use
2:00your gym you know when no one's there
2:02and so I got to know him a little bit
2:04more intimately and um and then he asked
2:07me if I wanted to be trained by him and
2:08then I was like sure I train now with
2:12his 25-year-old son yeah so he also like
2:16Peter also shared with me the reason I
2:18think this is an interesting way to
2:20start our conversation is because mutual
2:23friend that we both care about and he
2:25represents something to both of us and
2:27so I was asking him like how do you know
2:30Joe and he says well let me let me tell
2:32you an give you an
2:34example he says I'll say I'll mention
2:36something about one of my sons and then
2:38next thing I know I hear from my son
2:40that Joe calls him and you know he's
2:42like hey how you doing what's going on
2:44tell me really what okay what is really
2:46happening for you whatever the the
2:48conversation is but you're in there in a
2:50way that you're caring about your
2:53friend's son which makes sense but but
2:55on top of all of the other things that
2:57you're doing he's Blown Away by it and
3:00so for somebody with that type of
3:01mindset Peter Who The Listener doesn't
3:03know is incredibly intense incredibly
3:06skilled to your point earlier and then
3:09has a way of building relationships
3:11where you're compelled to want to be
3:12your very best around him and it's a
3:16special art that he has and and a pretty
3:18cool science and so coming from him
3:22about how much you care how much you do
3:24and that
3:27um you have designed a life that is
3:30giving to others and you built a
3:32business along the way so I'm really
3:34interested in not only the science and
3:37the Art of your science but also how
3:39you've designed your life I think both
3:41are fascinating to me but I would like
3:43to start with the science of it yeah and
3:45you opened up your book
3:47Supernatural with um maybe I'll insert
3:50the quote you know in full because I
3:52don't have it memorized here but you
3:54opened it up with like this idea that I
3:58need to share I need to tell what I've
4:00been doing or what I've seen or what
4:02I've experienced even at the risk of
4:04people thinking that I'm a wild one
4:07dangerous a quack I'm On The Fringe and
4:11um this likely is not going to be
4:13accepted you didn't use th any of those
4:15words but that was the risk that you
4:18decided to take um thank you for the
4:21question uh first of all I never planned
4:23on doing any of this to be really
4:24straight and really honest um I had my
4:28own personal L got run over by a truck
4:30and a triathlon broke six vertebrae in
4:33my spine typical surgery is Harrington
4:36Rod Surgery I was young I was in my 20s
4:39I was athletic I had a martial arts
4:41studio I had a yoga studio I was
4:42training for you know um a lot of
4:45different races and I went from 100
4:48miles an hour to face down and in
4:51trouble and um I couldn't imagine living
4:55my life on addictive medications with
4:58Harrington rods from the base of my neck
5:00to the base of my spine it was a full
5:03you know six six compression fractures
5:05is a lot so I had bone fragments on the
5:07cord and I had the neural Arch broken so
5:10I was in a lot of trouble so I figured
5:13my might as well see if my mind can
5:14influence my body this was at age
5:1720-some 24 yeah and it worked it it
5:21really worked for me and when that when
5:24when you go through that kind of
5:26initiation you can't go back to business
5:28as usual and it was a dark night of the
5:30soul for me during that time CU I
5:32couldn't get my mind to do what I wanted
5:34it to do cuz I think when you're faced
5:36with crisis like that we always focus on
5:38what we don't want to have happen
5:39instead of what we do want to have
5:41happen so turning that Battleship around
5:43for me as a 24-year-old kid uh was an
5:46enormous effort because I couldn't keep
5:48my mind on the
5:50task um
5:53so when I finally was able to get back
5:55on my feet and return back to my life uh
5:59uh
6:00uh I decided from that point that it
6:03would be good to study other people that
6:05may have had a spontaneous remission
6:08from disease were had were treating
6:10conventionally or unconventionally they
6:11were staying the same and getting worse
6:13and all a sudden they were getting
6:14better so I traveled around the world I
6:16traveled to 17 different countries
6:18interviewed a lot of people at age 28
6:20now uh I was probably 20 let's see I was
6:23probably 29 yeah okay so two things you
6:26said it worked yeah so I do want to
6:28understand what worked and how it worked
6:31so I know we'll unfold that as we go but
6:33in a short hand for The Listener who's
6:36unfamiliar with this part of your
6:39journey yeah so I wanted to see if my
6:42mind could influence my body and I
6:46decided two things I thought God there's
6:48an innate intelligence within us that
6:50that's giving us life it's keeping our
6:52heart beating digesting our food all the
6:54way down to the cellular level
6:56organizing trillions of functions in a
6:58Cell every second you know correcting
7:01for mutations and the DNA so I had a
7:04respect for that innate intelligence uh
7:07and I thought well it can heal to a
7:09certain point and it does and it does it
7:12is healing it's trying it's very best
7:14yeah with six compression fractures I
7:16thought um this has got to be next level
7:19now you know this has got to be next
7:20level this is this so I had to weigh
7:22what I
7:23knew against what I didn't know well and
7:27and so for me I thought God if I could
7:30make contact with this intelligence and
7:33give it a plan give it a directive give
7:35it some orders give it a template and if
7:38I could do it really well once I've had
7:40that that Vision my in my mind super
7:43clear I know that I can't heal it I'm
7:46going to surrender that that that Vision
7:50to a greater mind and see if it could
7:52begin to to to work with me so you s you
7:55sound like a a Mystic you sound like a a
7:58spiritualist at this point somebody who
8:00is a devotee to a religion that says I'm
8:03going to turn over my injury to God I'm
8:07going to turn over my life experiences
8:08to God yeah I think that's a simplistic
8:12version uh because I I what I want to do
8:14is I wanted to uh influence it uh and
8:19and see if I could take it to the next
8:20level because I knew that uh well you
8:24know the compression fractures could
8:26heal but I would lose bone height I
8:28still have fragments on my I had motor
8:30function Pro problems I had sensory
8:31function problems I had an enormous
8:33amount of pain so this was kind of next
8:36level for me and I think anytime you go
8:39against convention whether it's social
8:42convention scientific convention
8:43religious convention anytime you go
8:45against the current belief systems
8:48you're always considered fool hearty or
8:50insane right I mean you're nuts my the
8:52four opinions I had from four surgeons
8:54they all thought I hit my head like they
8:56were like what are you you know what are
8:57you thinking here yeah so but if you
9:00pull it off because did you but you did
9:02have surgery no no I never had the
9:05surgery oh you you buried the lead there
9:07you didn't have surgery you didn't no I
9:10decided not to I went against I went
9:12against that's where that's where the
9:14the Medical Institution would say what
9:17what are you doing yeah they were very
9:18upset with me 1986 you didn't do that
9:22like I was living in San Diego you just
9:24didn't do that and and I just figured
9:27god um if I have the Harrington Rod
9:30Surgery I'm not going to be the same guy
9:31I won't be able to do I won't I won't be
9:33able to do anything like I I you know I
9:35was doing and so I was
9:38willing to trust in in that process I
9:42figured if it didn't work I'm going to
9:44wind up with surgery anyway so I might
9:46as well roll the dice and so number one
9:48was make contact with that intelligence
9:50I'm not going anywhere I'm not doing
9:51anything I'm laying face down and the
9:53second thing was I'm not going to let
9:55any thought slip by my awareness
9:57unnoticed by me so so Mystic mystical
10:01means unknown that's what the word means
10:03so I was willing to
10:05trust if this could work now little
10:08background I had I had studied
10:12hypnosis a lot I I saw the power the the
10:15subconscious mind I knew I saw you know
10:18amazing things and then I did have this
10:22kind of
10:23crazy moment where I was leaving for
10:26graduate school in my best friend's
10:30father gave me a book uh autobiography
10:33of Yogi and I was reading this book and
10:36I was thought it was like God I if that
10:39is actually the truth then I am I'm
10:41unaware of a lot yeah and I read that
10:43book and scrutinized it and threw it
10:45across the room and wrestled with it but
10:49I had kind of this kind of idea that
10:53that that I I I was willing to take that
10:56risk cuz I had the time I went from 100
10:59miles an hour in my life to laying face
11:02down so I knew enough about the spine I
11:04knew enough about the body and and uh
11:07first 6 and a half weeks was misery it
11:10was it was really really a Dark Night of
11:12the Soul because I could
11:14not I I I was I was wrestling with my
11:17own
11:18belief uh and my own
11:21self-doubt and my inability to be able
11:23to control my mind when you're at of
11:25balance so the first 6 and A2 weeks it
11:28took me three hour hours to go through
11:30that inward process and when I was done
11:32I wasn't satisfied but after that 6 and
11:361 12 weeks what took me 3 hours three
11:40and a half sometimes four hours to do cu
11:42the moment I started thinking my should
11:44I sell my practice should I sell my home
11:47uh I'm going to be living in a
11:48wheelchair you know moment the moment I
11:50was my mind my mind left the present
11:53moment and I went off T I start all over
11:55again I'd start over so it was a very
11:58very deliberate but very very in uh
12:02difficult process because if you get
12:03frustrated it's going to get worse so I
12:06had to like had to move through all this
12:08muck you know and and six and a half
12:11weeks all of a sudden something clicked
12:13it was like I hit a golf ball right in
12:14The Sweet Spot I had a tennis ball just
12:16right something clicked for me uh and
12:20all of a sudden from that point forward
12:23it got
12:24easier and and what took me three and 1
12:28half hours 3 hours to I was doing in
12:30much less time and I didn't know it at
12:32the time but I was really mastering the
12:36ability to pay attention and to be
12:38present because every time you you catch
12:40yourself defaulting and you're going
12:42unconscious the only way you become
12:44conscious is you catch yourself going
12:46unconscious and you become conscious
12:48again that's the moment to celebrate
12:49right that's and most people say I can't
12:51do it and and I was doing that but
12:52really that's a victory because that's
12:54the only way that you're actually going
12:56to stop yourself from going unconscious
12:58I I was
12:59pruning connections and I was reiring
13:03rewiring new connections and I started
13:05developing kind of a new mind and and at
13:08that moment Michael I
13:10noticed like the dramatic reduction in
13:14my pain and I was getting sensory
13:17feeling back and motor motor and then my
13:19toes and I was just like okay whatever
13:22you're doing is working so keep doing it
13:25and your belief at that point goes from
13:28here to here right it just it just
13:30catapults because you're seeing the
13:33effect of you would cause right so for
13:37me uh I was back in my feet in 10 and a
13:39half weeks they wanted me put me in this
13:42huge body cast I was I was better you
13:44know I was done so I couldn't go back to
13:47business as usual because I was
13:48initiated I have a very scientific mind
13:51so I just kind of sold everything and
13:53left and went to the Northwest and
13:56started over again and and I wanted to
13:59to take some time for myself and ask the
14:01big
14:02questions if that truly happened how did
14:07that
14:08happen and is there anybody else that is
14:11is anybody has that happened to anybody
14:12else so I had to start studying
14:14epigenetics and neuroplasticity and
14:16psychon neuroimmunology and
14:17electromagnetism quantum physics and
14:19just was this kind of exploration for me
14:23and and I started getting closer to the
14:26understanding and then when I started
14:27interviewing people that had spontaneous
14:30remissions from diseases that were
14:31treating conventionally or
14:32unconventionally staying the same and
14:34all of a sudden got better once I
14:35studied and found a commonalities
14:37amongst these people and it was really
14:39about the mind it was really about
14:41breaking the habit of being the
14:43themselves their old self and
14:45Reinventing a new self the other thing
14:47was that they in their inward
14:50process of really deciding who they no
14:53longer wanted to be like if I really
14:55could live my life again and live again
14:58how would I live differently do I really
15:00want to be an attorney I hate my job I
15:02don't want to be an attorney I want to
15:03be an artist right so you see these
15:05people make the transition by choice to
15:08stop being one person start being
15:10another person and in their inward
15:12process of thinking about how they do
15:14want to think how they do want to act
15:16how they do want to feel in their new
15:19life they had long moments where they
15:21lost track of space and time their
15:23inward experience became more real than
15:25their ouward experience and and it
15:27caused me to spend a lot of time
15:29studying the frontal lobe which is kind
15:30of the workshop of the brain that's
15:31where we focus where we have intention
15:33so we have attentions where we have free
15:35will we restrain our behaviors you know
15:37judgement we event we speculate it's the
15:39creative center right and so so and then
15:42then that fourth thing was that there
15:44they believe there was an intelligence
15:46that was giving them life that that that
15:48they would trust and and surrender to so
15:50what does that mean let's just stay on
15:52that idea for a minute and intelligence
15:54because you've mentioned a few times
15:55like making contact with intelligence
15:58well
16:02um whatever that Consciousness is that's
16:05giving us life that's within us that's
16:08happening in kind of in I'll say it
16:11scientifically the autonomic nervous
16:12system the limic brain right is the seat
16:15of the of all of those biological
16:18functions that keeps us in homeostasis
16:20and balance right the neocortex the
16:22thinking brain is the analytical mind
16:24and a lot of times that's what kind of
16:26gets us in trouble right so they had a
16:32belief and independent of
16:37religion that there was some
16:39intelligence that was giving them life
16:41that could help them in their healing
16:43process now there was a spectrum
16:46involved in that but the similarity was
16:48that there was it was within them so the
16:51intelligence is within within so for
16:54somebody who might be a spiritualist or
16:57um follow Christian Doctrine God is
17:00within yes if that if that is the word a
17:04person would want to use yeah
17:07so there came a period of time where I
17:09was in a documentary and the documentary
17:11became really popular and people started
17:13asking well how do you do it like and I
17:15think this is a time in history where
17:16it's not enough to know I think it's a
17:18time in history to know how right so I
17:20thought okay I studied the all these
17:22things I went back to school and went
17:23studied neuroscience and just got really
17:25into it and
17:26and and then I was like okay if it works
17:29on these sick people uh let's see if we
17:32can reproduce an outcome and so for the
17:34first couple years we didn't really see
17:36much it was doing these one day courses
17:38and two-day courses and people were
17:40feeling better at the end of the weekend
17:42but no real big changes then all of a
17:45sudden it just started happening we
17:47started seeing the most amazing changes
17:51in people's Health that that really
17:53challenged my belief and so when we
17:55started seeing people have remissions
17:58from very serious stage four Cancers and
18:03uh Parkinson's disease and Ms and and um
18:07ALS and uh spinal cord injuries and all
18:12kinds of crazy things that's that's when
18:15uh I knew it was time to measure and so
18:18we organized and a group of scientists
18:21and now I work with University of
18:22California San Diego and so when I
18:25started seeing the outcomes Michael and
18:28there were unbelievable they literally
18:30unbelievable to me like I was shaking my
18:32head like I cannot believe what I'm
18:35seeing and I knew that when a
18:38person has an inward experience where
18:42they're in a a certain health condition
18:44and then
18:46after there we use meditation as and I
18:49we'll talk about that demystifying
18:52meditation in a way that allows a person
18:55to learn how to make an inward
18:57experience really really real and so I
19:01knew that when a person got up out of a
19:03wheelchair with Ms right right in front
19:07of me like something was happening in
19:08there something was happening inside of
19:11them that like that was very profound
19:15and very real right and it was an
19:16experience right so we organized we
19:20we've we've got over 20,000 brain scans
19:23we have fmri scans we have we've
19:25measured thousands and thousands of HRV
19:28measurements we've measured gene
19:30expression we've measured um microbiome
19:33we've measured
19:352,882 metabolites in blood we've
19:38measured immune regulation we've we we
19:41we've measured tears we've measured
19:43breast milk we've measured everything
19:45you can possibly imagine and the idea is
19:48what happens when a
19:50person completely immerses themselves in
19:54a community that's interested in change
19:56and transformation and that's what we
19:57teach we teach the process of change we
20:00use meditation not to heal use
20:03meditation to change when you change you
20:06heal right so so the science has been so
20:09compelling because you can't call it
20:11pseudo science anymore the data is so
20:15profound that it shows that as an
20:19example uh the studies that we've
20:23done demonstrate that the human nervous
20:25system manufactures a pharmacy of
20:27chemicals
20:29that works sometimes better than any
20:31drug and it's within you right interlan
20:34you know all kinds of all kinds of
20:36amazing things yeah and is it possible
20:39then to upregulate genes for health and
20:42downregulate the genes for disease and
20:44if you teach people in a very simple way
20:48the philosophy the theory the
20:50information the knowledge and they can
20:52learn that information learning is
20:55making new Connections in the brain as
20:56you know but the research also shows
20:58that if you don't review it if you don't
21:00repeat it if you don't think about it
21:02over and over again those circuits pre
21:04apart within hours or days so we set up
21:07these large events with thousands of
21:08people from all over the world and the
21:11information is so tantamount for them
21:15because it's what they're going to do
21:16with it they got to do something with it
21:18so when they learn the information then
21:20they have to teach it back to the person
21:22next to them they have to be able to
21:24explain it and if they can't explain it
21:27it's not wired in their brain so as
21:28remind themselves what they learned
21:31they're reproducing that same level of
21:33mind and nerve cells that fire together
21:35wire together and the more you
21:37understand what you're doing and the
21:39more you understand why you're doing it
21:41the how gets easier because you can
21:42assign meaning to the task and when you
21:45assign meaning to the task you turn on
21:46that prefrontal cortex and it wants an
21:48outcome right so they're installing the
21:52neurological Hardware in their brain and
21:54preparation for the event so if you can
21:56set up the conditions in the environment
21:57and give people the proper instructions
21:59and they can get their behaviors to
22:00match their intentions their actions
22:02equal to their thoughts they get their
22:03mind and body working together and
22:05initiate that knowledge they should have
22:08an experience right and the experience
22:10then enriches the circuitry in the brain
22:12but the end product of the experience is
22:14called an emotion and when you feel
22:17unlimited or you feel grateful or you
22:19feel empowered now you're teaching your
22:21body chemically to understand what your
22:23mind is intellectually understood so the
22:26information is no longer in the brain
22:27now the information is in the in the
22:28body right so the person's embodying the
22:30truth of that
22:32philosophy so this is kind of the
22:34journey what we do so then we're
22:37measuring we're measuring what's taking
22:39place inwardly now if you can go for
22:42seven days and keep reproducing the
22:44experience neur neurologically and
22:46chemically neurochemically you're
22:48conditioning the mind and body to begin
22:49to work as one and when the body now
22:52knows how to do it better than the mind
22:53now it's you know implicit it's innate
22:55it's automatic it's easy it's familiar
22:57we've become that knowledge right and so
23:00the person's in a different state of
23:01being so we have to go from philosopher
23:03to initiate to master you know from from
23:06knowledge to experience to wisdom from
23:08mind the body to soul from thinking to
23:10doing to being learning with your head
23:11applying with your hands knowing it by
23:13heart and and we
23:15discovered that it's the overcoming
23:19process that is the becoming process
23:21because 95% of Who We Are by the time
23:24we're in the middle of our life or set
23:26of memorized hardwired attitudes beliefs
23:29and perceptions you know automatic and
23:32unconscious habits and behaviors and
23:34reflexive emotional responses so it's
23:37that it's that unlearning process that
23:3995% of being unconscious getting
23:43conscious and if person's able to do
23:45that if they if they're able to
23:47reconstruct and and reinvent a new way
23:50of thinking a new way of Behaving a new
23:51way of feeling will it be reflected in
23:54their biology and we've discovered that
23:58the majority of people that go through a
24:00weekl long event it's not like a small
24:02percentage there's a community effect
24:05that's taking place I think the reason
24:06people change is because of pain and I
24:09don't think it comes from inspiration I
24:12think it comes from a a position that I
24:15am sick and tired of being sick and
24:16tired and that's pulled right out of an
24:19AA you know pamphlet somewhere but when
24:22there's enough pain that a person feels
24:26that they say it's got to be different I
24:29can do different that there's a better
24:31way can you help or can I go Inward and
24:34figure out a better way I don't think we
24:36do anything alone so I think that you're
24:38on to something really powerful about
24:39doing it together but this idea that
24:41people are in change are people change
24:43because of pain I don't know if you
24:45agree with it or not I do I do I think
24:48when we're brought to our lowest
24:50denominator whether it's
24:52crisis disease diagnosis loss betrayal
24:56it doesn't matter you reach this lowest
24:59denominator where
25:00nothing is making that feeling go away
25:04no vacation no TV show no friend where
25:09that feeling is the alcohol the drugs
25:11the
25:12numbing nothing is making that feeling
25:15go away and this is I think this is a
25:17really important moment for people
25:19because they don't feel like themselves
25:22no nothing in their environment in their
25:24outer world is making this feeling go
25:27away and this is where they start for
25:30the first
25:31time observing themselves that idea of
25:35metacognition they feel so so different
25:38than the way they normally feel that
25:40they can view themselves Through The
25:42Eyes of someone else this is the moment
25:44where they can all of a sudden go oh my
25:46god look look at the way you've been
25:48thinking you've been saying I can it's
25:50too hard I hate this person those
25:53thoughts have consequences you can say
25:55oh my God you've been complaining
25:57blaming you've been a victim you been
25:58you know you've been judging uh making
26:01excuses feeling sorry for yourself oh my
26:02God look at you like it's the it's the
26:04lighting the match in the dark place and
26:07then you can say oh my God I I live the
26:08majority of my life in hatred and anger
26:11and fear oh my God that's not loving to
26:13me but but no one is going to tell no
26:16one you're not going to listen to
26:18anybody when they tell you that you're
26:19going to bump them off right but this is
26:21kind of when the soul kind of kind of
26:24give you a little nudge like this is
26:26your moment right and so and you're
26:28doing this by helping them observe
26:30themselves but more specifically helping
26:34them observe the intimate thoughts that
26:36they're having in said moment yeah so
26:39like or the emotional experience yeah so
26:41I'm curious uh we see that the brain
26:45changes the most when you get Beyond I
26:47can't I'm too tired I don't feel like it
26:50I want to quit this is too hard I'll
26:53never make it when you get Beyond like
26:54people who are curious what's on the
26:56other side of that thought they're
26:57stepping into the the unknown a person
26:59who says oh my God I want to be happy
27:02why am I spending the majority of my day
27:04complaining but complaining is not going
27:06to make me happy it's going to make me
27:08unhappy and then oh my God this emotion
27:10that I live by every day emotions are
27:13just a chemical record of the past right
27:16so if I'm living what does that mean a
27:19chemical record of the past because I
27:20have emotions in the present
27:22moment yeah you can all I'm saying is
27:25when a person's let's pick an emotion um
27:28frustration frustration frustration is a
27:30great one um a person uh feels
27:34frustration because of an experience
27:35that happens or has a series of
27:38experiences that happen in their life
27:40the stronger the emotion that we have to
27:42some experience in our life the more
27:44altered we are inside of us the the
27:46disruption in our chemical continuity
27:49causes the brain to freeze a frame and
27:51take a snapshot or a series of snapshots
27:54and that's called the long-term memory
27:56so that the memory is INB
27:58in the brain right and the chemical if
28:02this thing happens again something like
28:04this happens again yeah so if it happens
28:06a few times and then you then you review
28:09the event you keep remembering the
28:11event um you're producing the same
28:14chemistry in the brain and body as if
28:16the event was occurring and the body is
28:18so objective it's the unconscious mind
28:21that it does not know the difference
28:23between the real life experience that's
28:24creating that emotion and the emotion
28:27that person's fabricating by memory
28:28alone to the body it's exactly the same
28:30so the body is reliving the trauma 50 to
28:34100 times a day so it's a thought and a
28:35feeling it's an image and an emotion or
28:38a memory and emotion it's a stimulus and
28:40response and you're conditioning the
28:42body become the mind of that emotion and
28:44so now the body the servant is now the
28:48master so the body has learned it and
28:50it's automatic and so you're you're
28:53sweeping your environment just to look
28:55for
28:56something to cause you to feel
28:59frustrated so the hormones of stress
29:01become highly addictive and it's it's
29:04entirely possible that people use the
29:05problems and conditions in their life to
29:07reaffirm their addiction to frustration
29:09to reaffirm their addiction to that
29:11emotion so they don't know they're doing
29:13that consciously but they're becoming
29:14addicted to the life they don't even
29:16like I I have a quote here that I I
29:19wrote down I wanted to play back to you
29:21and talk about it which you just said it
29:22people are emotionally addicted to a
29:24life they don't want I'm Loosely
29:26paraphrasing but idea when you when I
29:29read that in your writings I thought it
29:32you're really on to something important
29:35and so I think what you're suggesting is
29:38that if the if the mind and brain not
29:43really separate but let's separate them
29:45for a moment uh the brain is the
29:47hardware and the mind is the software it
29:49breaks down quickly but if they're doing
29:51their job they're trying to keep you
29:53alive they're sweeping the environment
29:55to your language scanning for all the
29:57reasons
29:58that a threat could disrupt or end their
30:02life and
30:04so I think what you're saying in this in
30:07this idea is that that's a very that
30:10alertness there's a there's a chemistry
30:13that is pretty addicting to that yeah it
30:15feels good it's a beta brain
30:17wave it's essential for survival and and
30:21you're saying we like that so much that
30:23we'll just keep scanning to find the
30:25dangers to find the reasons
30:28that things could go wrong reasons I
30:31could should be frustrated and then
30:33because of that I'm now exhausted I'm
30:36now poisoning my system yeah so so let's
30:40just talk about that a let's let's
30:42unpack that a little bit because I think
30:43I saw the corners of your eyes light up
30:45when I said that well because living in
30:47stress is living in survival right and
30:49stress is when your brain and body are
30:50knocked out of homeostasis the stress
30:52response is what the body innately does
30:54to return itself back to order okay well
30:57all biological organisms can tolerate
30:59short-term stress zebra gets chased by
31:02the line it outruns the line it goes
31:04back to grazing and eating and it goes
31:05back into balance right go so all
31:07organisms can do that you get cut off on
31:09the freeway you jam on the brakes ah you
31:11know and then you're over it right for
31:13most people but when you turn on the
31:15stress
31:17response and you can't turn it off now
31:19you're headed for disease because no
31:21organism can live in emergency mode for
31:23that extended period of time now human
31:25beings because of the size of the
31:27frontal lobe
31:28we can turn on the stress response just
31:30by thought alone that's the problem now
31:33now now that's the trick yes so so if
31:37you're forecasting some future worst
31:39case scenario based on the past and
31:41you're actually imagining that future
31:45unfolding your body as as the objective
31:48mind begins to feel the emotion of that
31:50future before it happens and now you're
31:52conditioning your body to become the
31:54mind of anxiety the mind of fear right
31:56and and again thought and a feeling
31:58image emotion stimulus response the body
32:00is being conditioned into fear okay so
32:04so now you say to that person why are
32:05you this way and they'll say I am this
32:08way because of these events that have
32:09happened to me 10 years ago what what
32:12they're really saying is I had an event
32:14that's changed me biologically and I
32:16have not been able to change since okay
32:19so if you can turn on the stress
32:21response just by thought
32:22alone and and those chemicals hormones
32:26of stress are addictive the arousal you
32:28can become addicted to your own thoughts
32:30and this is why it's hard to change well
32:32if the long-term effects of the the
32:34hormones of stress push the genetic
32:35buttons and create disease that's a fact
32:38and you can turn on the stress response
32:40just by thought alone your thoughts can
32:41make you sick all right no now that's
32:43that's that's the ultimate Mind Body
32:45Connection so when you tell a person
32:46that and they go oh my God if my this
32:49you ask them if your thoughts can make
32:50you sick is it possible that your
32:52thoughts can make you well and so we did
32:54a study where we just took people and we
32:56said trade frustration trade impatience
32:59trade resentment for heart- centered
33:01emotion let's hook you up to an HRV and
33:03let's have you practice get really good
33:06at feeling appreciation gratitude
33:08kindness care let's get you in that
33:11state is it possible then that you can
33:13upregulate the proteins for your immune
33:16system and down regulate the secretion
33:19of cortisol and the amount of
33:21immunoglobulin a which is a really
33:24important you know
33:26natural flu shot for the body when up
33:2950% in the participants so the body
33:31actually believing it's living in an
33:33environment that's nurturing right and
33:35so it could be that it could be that
33:36immediate now this is a Lov and kindness
33:38meditation or a heart centered Med Heart
33:40Center Meditation yeah to 15 minutes 15
33:42minutes a day twice a day for or three
33:44times a day for three days that's it
33:46that's how fast it can happen now the
33:50caveat behind this is that uh just like
33:54breaking any addiction you're going to
33:57go through a lot of withdrawals because
33:59the body's going to be craving the
34:01chemical right so we've discovered again
34:04when the person is sitting in a
34:06meditation and they're coming up against
34:08their frustration they're coming up
34:11against their resentment they're coming
34:12up against their impatience instead of
34:14saying I can't meditate I'm too busy I'm
34:15get on myself I have too many things to
34:17do nobody else in the herd or the flock
34:20or the Trib is do sitting right so the
34:23person we're not we're not asking them
34:25to White Knuckle it we're giving them
34:26something to do we're teaching them how
34:29to lower the volume to that emotion
34:32settle the body back down as the mind
34:35and and and teach them what to do with
34:37that so the act of doing that breaking
34:40that in the inhibition process breaking
34:42the stimulus and response the body is
34:44craving 20 years or 10 years of
34:47frustration more stimulus more stimulus
34:50what it does it starts to send images to
34:53the brain like think of the time in your
34:55life that you know and it's it's true
34:57trying to reproduce that chemical so
35:00this takes an enormous amount of energy
35:03an enormous amount of awareness to be
35:05able to free the body from the chains of
35:07the past and yet once you learn how to
35:10do it it's tedious in the beginning if
35:13the person truly can get Beyond its
35:16their addiction to that emotion the
35:19absence of that emotional addiction is
35:21called Joy the body is no longer
35:23tormented so the side effect that's
35:24interesting framing that the absence
35:27the side effect of that is there's a
35:29complete change in the body's physiology
35:31so would you say that that is your
35:33position that that is our
35:35default I think it's one of the major
35:37defaults Joy no no no I think the
35:40default to frustration is automatic
35:43right you just need to see a person or a
35:45circumstance of a thought and seamlessly
35:47you're feeling the emotion from your
35:49past and you're behaving like you're in
35:50your past and you're believing
35:53everything that goes along with your
35:54past what is the natural state of the
35:56human is it
35:58is it Joy or is there a natural state
36:01that you say no it's not it's not like
36:03there's a default to happiness or Joy or
36:05peace it's not that simple but we can we
36:08can cultivate specific actions and
36:11thought patterns to increase the amount
36:13of Joy I think the majority of time um
36:17uh people are on alert they're in high
36:19beta brain wave States they're they're
36:21Vigilant they're ready you know they're
36:23uh when we're living in stress and we're
36:25living in survival all of our attention
36:27is on on our environment that's where
36:28the danger is all of our attension is on
36:30our body because we're getting the rush
36:32of chemistry and adrenaline and all of
36:34our tension is on attention is on time
36:36how much time is we going to get make
36:38this go away right and so so when you I
36:42think when you break free from the state
36:44of survival which pretty much is about
36:4670% of the time for most people so is
36:48the world dangerous and hostile or is it
36:51safe for you for me mhm um God it's like
36:55a
36:56fundamental decision make the world is
36:58either dangerous or safe yeah I for for
37:00the most part I feel like it's a safe
37:03place I think when you're living in
37:04survival I think you'll always perceive
37:07it as a dangerous place but I think the
37:10opposite side of that and this is kind
37:11of what we've
37:13discovered um I think when you live in
37:16something other than survival you live
37:18in a state of creation and I think a
37:20state of creation is
37:21when energy naturally moves into the
37:24heart and the heart is the creative
37:26Center when you're living in stress and
37:28you're living in survival your brain is
37:29completely incoherent because you're
37:31trying to control and predict everyone
37:33and everything in your life so stress is
37:35created by by the loss of control uh the
37:39the perception that something's going to
37:40get worse or something that you can't
37:42predict right so the alarm system
37:43switches on so the next thing you start
37:45doing is you try to control and predict
37:47everything in your life well every
37:49person every object everything every
37:50place is mapped neurologically in your
37:52brain you got a neurological Network for
37:54your wife for your husband for your kids
37:56for your dog for your where you live
37:58where you where you work your phone you
37:59know so as we shift our attention to
38:02each one of these different elements
38:05like a lightning storm in the clouds in
38:07that aroused High beta State the
38:10different compartments of the brain
38:11begin to modulate and they begin to fire
38:13out of order if you measure that on the
38:15brain it's waves that are out of order
38:17and they they cancel each other out and
38:19the brain is incoherent we're incoherent
38:21same thing happens in the heart you're
38:23stepping on the gas and you're stepping
38:25on the brake you're on a zoom meeting
38:28someone's talking and you're thinking
38:30about oh my God I your your emotional
38:32response is is not the best but you're
38:35not running you're not fighting you're
38:36not hiding you're sitting there right so
38:38you're stepping on the gas in the break
38:40and the Heart starts beating very very
38:42much out of order because it's very
38:43incoherent same thing the energy in the
38:45heart goes down you can't trust it's not
38:47a time to communicate you you know the
38:49story
38:51so we we've discovered that where you
38:54place your attention is where you place
38:55your energy we teach teach people then
38:58if you can place your attention on your
39:00heart slow your breathing down you
39:02slowing your brain waves down and teach
39:04them how to work with their body and
39:06convert from the sympathetic nervous
39:08system to the parasympathetic nervous
39:09system and get their body in that state
39:12it takes practice it takes a lot of work
39:14in the beginning you're you're working
39:16with the animal and the animal's Juiced
39:18up and it's it's ready to go and you got
39:20to teach it that the the threat the
39:24danger is over and it's not very
39:26trusting in the beginning so slow your
39:28breathing down slow your brain waves
39:29down convert over put your attention on
39:32your heart and let's practice feeling
39:34some heart centered some elevated
39:36emotions if a person can sustain that
39:40state we'll see their heart get very
39:41coherent when it gets coherent energy
39:45builds and if they can sustain it
39:47something really beautiful happens it's
39:50almost like the heart informs the brain
39:53that the trauma is over and it resets
39:56the Baseline for the past event where
39:59the emotion is attached to and we've
40:01seen this numerous times it tells the
40:03the the amydala it's over like the
40:05trauma's over and all of a sudden the
40:08the body re resets and the brain resets
40:11and the person all of a sudden like
40:13grabbing a big sheet and going like this
40:15they go right out of beta High beta and
40:17they go right in the alpha coherent
40:19Alpha and the hearts telling the brain
40:21get creative the other thing we
40:23discovered Mike is that when you're
40:25pressed like that we tend to over Focus
40:30we tend to narrow our focus on the cause
40:32of the problem like any of us who have
40:33been under stress know that you know for
40:36the most part you're obsessing you're
40:38ruminating you're overfocused uh on some
40:42and we discovered that when you do that
40:43you actually make your brain worse 100%
40:47of the time like as you're analyzing
40:49your life within that disturbing emotion
40:51that emotion is a record of the past and
40:53you're driving it into higher and higher
40:54beta right so we thought oh my God what
40:57if we do the
40:58opposite what if we go from this kind of
41:00narrow focus on everything physical
41:02everything material everything known to
41:05broadening and opening our focus and
41:07putting it on nothing in the act of
41:09sensing space we
41:12discovered when you're sensing you're
41:15not analyzing and you're not thinking in
41:18the the cortex is the analytical mind so
41:21as you're sensing space and you're no
41:24longer analyzing and thinking you're no
41:25longer activating those different
41:27neurological networks in the brain and
41:29all of a sudden your brain goes from
41:32beta to Alpha but not any kind of alpha
41:35those different compartments of the
41:36brain that have been modulated and
41:38compartmentalized they begin to unify
41:40they begin to synchronize and when sinks
41:42in the brain links in the brain right
41:43and that's a coherence so now the brain
41:45starts getting more orderly and you
41:47start feeling more like yourself so the
41:49breathing is a great way to get the body
41:52to convert uh from sympathetic to
41:54parasympathetic but the open and the
41:56broad focus and sensing nothing in space
41:59is actually what allows us to get beyond
42:01our analytical mind and what separates
42:03our conscious mind from our subconscious
42:05mind is our analytical mind now you're
42:07opening the door and getting into the
42:08operating system where you can actually
42:11rewrite a program and rehearse a new
42:13script right which is your beliefs is I
42:15think what you're suggesting where all
42:16the hardwired beliefs perceptions
42:19attitudes um behaviors all exist so um
42:23to be Uber tactical you're talking about
42:26an eyes open meditation where you are oh
42:29your periphery is engaged no your eyes
42:32are closed so you're doing it eyes
42:33closed and you're watching the light
42:35show behind your eyes you're not
42:37watching any you're you're focusing on
42:39absolutely nothing so the reason I was
42:41going to that is because it was a tactic
42:43I was using with um cage fighters UFC
42:47fighters is that um as a Ying to their
42:50Yang we would do a meditation eyes open
42:52meditation which is actually really hard
42:55to do yeah eyes closed is we visual
42:57creature so it's when you close the eyes
43:00a couple things happen one your
43:01analytical judgmental CR critical mind
43:04can kick on pretty quickly or you fall
43:07asleep right and so what we're doing is
43:10eyes open and just having them like
43:12three qus of the way closed I should say
43:14and just engage their periphery and as
43:17keeping it as wide non-judgmental as
43:19they possibly can but just noticing as
43:21as opposed to the narrow attentional um
43:25hunting mode or survival mod of looking
43:27down the barrel of the gun or chasing
43:30something you know in the wild that
43:32narrow attention so we would go from
43:35broad to narrow broad to narrow and then
43:37stay broad as as much as we can yeah and
43:40it they that exercise they would report
43:44um uh quieting down their analytics
43:47because they're paying attention to
43:49space yeah yeah and we absolutely and we
43:53can you can do it with your eyes open as
43:55well uh which I think is exponential
43:57harder I thought that's what you were
43:58going but you're saying eyes closed so
44:00we do it both you do we do it both but
44:03for the sake of this
44:05conversation just by closing your eyes
44:07and focusing on nothing um uh you can
44:10slip past the analytical mind and when
44:13you're an alpha you know this you tend
44:15to see more in images and pictures
44:17you're more creative
44:18right and then you can train a person to
44:21actually know the different brain wave
44:23States and my definition of theta is
44:27when your body is resting in a light
44:28sleep and you're awake and that's when
44:31the door between the conscious mind and
44:32the subconscious mind is wide open this
44:34is the most suggestible state of the
44:37brain it's a hypnotic state if a person
44:40can
44:41sit um and practice this we discovered
44:45that the formula is relaxed and awake
44:49relaxed the more relaxed you get in your
44:52heart the more energy goes to the brain
44:55now this is where this is where like
44:57like I'm completely a rookie in this
45:00part of the discussion which is how the
45:03heart and the Brain work together the
45:05heart and the mind I was really
45:07surprised I was I was I I was so
45:09surprised in seeing this because I was
45:11always a brain guy until I saw like like
45:16every time the heart gets coherent it
45:18influences the and how do we measure
45:19heart
45:20coherence um we we measure them with um
45:23all kinds of devices we use what's
45:25called a bodyguard some people wear them
45:26for2 for hours we're looking at them
45:28when they're sleeping we're looking at
45:29them when they're eating we're looking
45:30at them when they're doing their
45:31meditations we're looking at them when
45:32we're signing a specific act during a
45:35meditation to see if they're actually
45:37doing it so we can say to them you're
45:39doing it or you're not doing it so it's
45:40measuring the electrical activity of
45:43measuring the electrical activity is
45:44actually measuring the the the pulse you
45:48know it's not heart rate variability
45:50there is an element of heart rate
45:51variability to Heart coherence
45:53absolutely so there' be an increase in
45:55variability yes and there would be a
45:57what from an electrical standpoint I
45:59don't know what the other measures would
46:00be so the the the sensors are picking up
46:06Electro Electro
46:08electromagnetic signals right the heart
46:10when it gets coherent produces a
46:13magnetic field and that mag magnetic
46:15field can be up to 3 meters wide it it
46:18is like a drum it gets very coherent and
46:20it produces magnetic field a very
46:23measurable magnetic field so it informs
46:26the brain to be creative and it causes
46:29uh kind of an frequency or energy is
46:33carrying information so there's an
46:35emission of energy that's released from
46:37the heart if a person can get re relaxed
46:41in their heart and awake in the brain
46:42you can train a person to get really
46:43good at this it gets really crazy
46:46because what's takes place from
46:48coherence is another phase called
46:52resonance and resonance is when the
46:55brain is in
46:57Delta and at the same time in Theta and
47:01at the same time in Alpha and the same
47:03time in beta and high beta and all of a
47:05sudden you have this very Peak frequency
47:07called gamma and that's
47:09superconsciousness so now the person is
47:11really relaxed in their heart and
47:14instead of stressed out unconscious and
47:18programmed somehow they they tend to be
47:21way more conscious so this is the the
47:24signature of aha the signature of
47:26insight the signature maybe a flow State
47:28as well it's another arousal but the
47:30instead of the arousal being fear that's
47:33right instead of the arousal being pain
47:35instead of the arousal being aggression
47:37the arousal is kind of like what you
47:39said it's kind of like an ecstasy it's
47:41kind of like a bliss like a person is
47:43like this feels so good I don't want to
47:46leave the moment like I want to stay
47:48right here and what we want to do is get
47:52people to do that so well with their
47:53eyes closed that they can do it with
47:55their eyes open and that's why we do
47:56walking meditations and things like that
47:58and so that so you've got a 7-Day
48:00training and then for somebody who
48:03doesn't have the ability to get to a
48:05location whe I know you have one coming
48:07up in La you know does can't get to
48:10California whatever um what what do you
48:13point them to to
48:15increase yeah so we have a little little
48:18uh like a little course called the
48:20formula okay and it's like 30 minutes of
48:23content with five meditations 12
48:25different sessions it's it's a great way
48:28to get the practice of heart coherence
48:30and brain coherence and then synchronize
48:32the two and the five meditations are
48:34step by step work on the heart work on
48:35the brain work on the heart and the
48:36brain and then take it to the next level
48:39um uh and then we have an online
48:41Progressive Workshop like the same
48:43course we'll be doing in LA in January
48:46you can watch it online and and you can
48:48get you know good 12 14 hours of content
48:52and you'll get uh six meditations and
48:55four hours of meditations and you got a
48:57lot of tools to practice there and it's
49:00a requirement uh for for our community
49:04in fact I tell people do not come to a
49:06weeklong event do not come to a weeklong
49:09event until you see the progressive
49:10Workshop so do do the online Progressive
49:13Workshop first they have to prepare
49:14because we got bodies to heal we got
49:16lives to change we got Futures to create
49:18I mean it was a very full week I mean
49:20we're I just finished one just this past
49:22week and um yeah they're they're 6:00 in
49:26the morning till 7 in the 8 7 or 7:30
49:28how many do you do I we do about one a
49:31month yeah so why did you want to go
49:33down the research path um you could stay
49:37as a kind of a guru and have you know 12
49:42of these a year 2,000 folks write some
49:44more books and just have the honest
49:47experience that you know you're on to
49:49and as soon as you're going down I want
49:51to measure it and I'll tell you I'll
49:53before you answer the question one more
49:55Divergent it was
49:581995 and I had this radical injury it
50:01was two spines uh um two vertebrae one
50:05was an extrusion and one was an
50:07intrusion so one popped in and one
50:08popped out the one that popped out
50:10they're pretty normal right those are
50:12but the one that popped in broke off so
50:15a spondo thesis no no it was a a a
50:19cervical intrusion so it was just the
50:21dis matter bulged inward not outward so
50:25it bulged inward and then it pinched and
50:27it broke off so I've got this U disc
50:31matter floating around my spinal cord
50:32and pushing against my spinal cord which
50:34is a problem prolapse yeah yeah not not
50:36pushing on the nerve but pushing on the
50:38entire bundle yeah and it was bad it was
50:40really bad and so two years where I my
50:43wife was like um she would had it with
50:46me because I I couldn't even lift my
50:47laundry
50:49basket and um you know she's like you
50:53you need to figure this out like we
50:54can't keep going this way and I didn't
50:56want surgery and then the doc uh he was
50:58great he was you know good ortho spinal
51:00Ortho he's like look it's time we've
51:02done everything uh I I cannot do anym
51:04here for you it's time for
51:06surgery and I said can you give me 30
51:09days I was just wrapping up my master's
51:11degree or just somewhere in that range
51:14right towards the end of my masters and
51:16I thought to myself what am I doing I'm
51:19not doing any performance imagery I'm
51:21not using my mind in any way and there
51:24was this Fringe thing called healing
51:25imagery not really well understood and
51:29they I I read a couple articles about it
51:31and I don't think there were scientific
51:32journals there was a couple articles
51:34about what is this thing called healing
51:36imagery and they were studying cancer
51:38patients do you remember this original
51:40research or writings about it and they
51:42asked them what did you do because there
51:44was you know control group in a in an
51:46experimental group and the experimental
51:47group um said I don't know I just the
51:49control group did nothing over the
51:51course of X number of weeks and the
51:53experimental group said um well you told
51:55me to do healing imagery and there was
51:58this theme that emerged that there was
51:59like Mickey Mouse hands or there was
52:02dump trucks or there was the hands of
52:04God and it was this white light and
52:06there was these themes that would no
52:07instructions were given to these folks
52:09to do healing other than do healing
52:11imagery X number minutes for X number of
52:13days and they had better results in
52:16cancer than than the control group and
52:19so I thought I need to do that and I
52:22couldn't see it disappear so I used that
52:24that spiritual framing it it was Mickey
52:27Mouse hands but they like had the hands
52:29of God in there the energy of God if you
52:31will and I could
52:33not see my intrusion go away extr now
52:39I'm blinking on the am I getting the the
52:41diagnosis right intrusion I couldn't see
52:43it just disappear I couldn't see it go
52:46away so you can ask my wife 17 minutes
52:49every night for about 30 uh 30 days um I
52:53would see like a wet clay I would see
52:57this matter of my disc be like wet clay
53:00and these Mickey Mouse hands fueled with
53:02this spiritual you would call it this
53:04intelligent being or intelligence uh
53:07take layers off it like clay wet water
53:10on clay and just take more off and more
53:12off and more off and more off until I
53:14could believe that over time it was
53:16reducing to a place that was
53:19non-existent uh probably like 45 days
53:21later that I had a second MRI the doc
53:23pops a screen up this is before there's
53:26still SC
53:27not on not not like the digital now it
53:29was a view box bang he puts it up and he
53:31goes he was like I don't know what to
53:33tell you but um how you doing and I said
53:37um I'm okay like nothing nothing
53:40radically different it's still kind of a
53:43burning between my shoulder blades and
53:45he says um yeah it looks like I don't
53:48know the body sometimes just eats up
53:49these things and it looks like there's
53:51just a little bit of calcium that's
53:53built up there but like it's it's gone
53:56so you know I I I don't know what I
53:58would go we could go in and do some
53:59surgery and poke around and maybe clean
54:01some stuff out I said no thank
54:04you so um back fully functioning very
54:08soon after that I needed my mind to
54:10catch up with the image that I saw yeah
54:12but my mind also was the one that um
54:16allowed me to take these layers off
54:18every night and so I share that with you
54:21because I if I ever in this conversation
54:25had more of like a me more tell me more
54:27I really want to understand I don't talk
54:29about this much and the reason I don't
54:31talk about it if all any is because it's
54:33like you kid it's unbelievable
54:35it's unbelievable yeah yeah like I I I
54:40uh I did in in my own um convalescence
54:45from my injury I did the exact same
54:47thing I went in there with a
54:48mortar and I reconstructed every
54:52vertebrae like with a mortar like just
54:54make it all smooth and and and I did and
54:57one if I if I was doing that and I was
54:59on say I did I broke T8 T9 T10 t11 T12
55:02and L1 if I was on like T9 and I started
55:04thinking about am I going to live in a
55:07wheelchair I'd stop and start all over
55:09again because I was not that's exactly
55:10how I did it that I was not giving that
55:13intelligence it is a Consciousness
55:15that's giving us life and I have to be
55:18present with it I have to give it a very
55:20clear picture and if and if it's if it's
55:22polluted in any way I would start all
55:24over and I think the brain does not know
55:27the difference really at certain moments
55:29between what's real and what's imagining
55:32and I think that in effect starts
55:34producing
55:36outcomes um so yeah so so that's an
55:39example of truth you're the example of
55:41Truth so when a person comes to our
55:44week-long Retreat and they stand on the
55:46stage and they say I was diagnosed with
55:49stage four cancer and you know I I had a
55:52doctor I tried the chemo I tried the
55:54radiation I tried the surg IES I tried
55:57the diet I tried the drug trials I tried
55:59everything that wasn't changing because
56:01I wasn't changing and then they say I
56:03have no evidence of cancer
56:05like is it's a four-minute mile moment
56:08it's like I'm looking at 2,000 people in
56:11an audience and everybody's leaning in
56:13because that is the example of Truth up
56:16there they're they're saying I broke
56:17through a certain level of Consciousness
56:19or unconsciousness and the person in the
56:22audience invariably that has that
56:24similar condition
56:26sees that person they don't look any
56:29more special than them and their belief
56:32in possibility goes up and I think
56:34people do the best with what they think
56:35is available so you get a you got enough
56:38people together in in the spirit of that
56:42I think people become conscious of other
56:45possibilities and and just like an
56:47infection can spread amongst the
56:49community and create disease health and
56:51wellness can become as infectious as
56:53disease in seven days so we did this
56:56study and we found out that we had all
56:58these people with everybody had their
56:59own genotype right their own particular
57:01gene expression based on their race
57:03their culture their family
57:06whatever and genes make proteins and
57:09proteins are responsible for the
57:10structure and function of your body the
57:12expression of proteins is the expression
57:13of Life at the end of seven days all
57:16these different uh
57:18genotypes almost 80% of the of the
57:21collective were expressing the same
57:24genes and making the same proteins like
57:26that's unheard of so like people Chang
57:30people but there was an emergent
57:32Consciousness that was taking place that
57:34was being reflected in people's biology
57:37the herd the flock the tribe you know
57:41the school of fish everybody's evolving
57:43together in seven days
57:45so if you don't
57:48know that that's
57:50possible that you could actually use
57:52imagery to heal an an some type of leion
57:56then you you'll make the typical choice
57:59but the fact that you do know that you
58:01have a hand in it you could actually do
58:04something you me I can do something to
58:07help my health and it may not be in like
58:10a pill immediate you got to put in the
58:13work you got to put in the time and and
58:16you have to really understand what
58:18you're doing and why you're doing there
58:20can be no false hope well so this is why
58:23I didn't talk about it cuz I didn't know
58:25exactly how it works worked and I didn't
58:28I didn't know the medical professional
58:30said oh the gas just the body just ate
58:32up up maybe you know sometimes it it
58:34turns these things into a gas and it
58:36just kind of I thought well maybe but I
58:39I didn't tell them what I did I that was
58:42my my information but I didn't want to
58:44share it one because it was super Fringe
58:47and it was way out there I can get out
58:49there and so I'm not I'm not too afraid
58:51of that however I didn't want to set up
58:54this condition in another person
58:57that I did it I'm pretty good at this
59:02you could do it if you were just good
59:03enough and then they go away and they're
59:05like I still have cancer or I've
59:07still got my back is still riddled and I
59:10I just felt like there was this unfair
59:11thing yeah yeah and so that's why I
59:14asked you about your the way why you
59:16wanted to step forward cuz I I made a
59:18very different Choice yeah when I saw
59:21people like I I I saw that I was truly
59:24making a difference and some level in
59:26their life that was the moment I didn't
59:29care like I really didn't care about the
59:31academic who was sitting there judging
59:33me he's going to or he or she's going to
59:34judge me anyway I really don't care like
59:37that's fine I'm more interested in
59:38people who do want to learn those are
59:40the people that I'm after right so they
59:42can have their judgments about me and
59:44say all kinds of things but I really
59:45don't care anymore I really don't care I
59:47know on some level between the evidence
59:50that's taking place in human testimony
59:53and there there's enough we have
59:55hundreds of not thousands now of people
59:57who have healed themselves and we have
59:59amazing evidence and scient empirical
1:00:02scientific studies evidence is the
1:00:05loudest voice and so chronic health
1:00:07conditions in themselves just just stay
1:00:09stay in the lane of
1:00:11convention require a lifestyle change
1:00:14and chronic health conditions make up
1:00:1795% of of all health conditions because
1:00:20of Lifestyle because of behaviors
1:00:22because of choices okay so a
1:00:24pharmaceutical
1:00:26May alleviate and give you some chemical
1:00:29balance but if you're not physically
1:00:31balanced then you're not emotionally
1:00:32balanced that's going to do very little
1:00:35so so teach a person then this the
1:00:38structure of what it really means to
1:00:41change people don't do the meditations
1:00:44in our work to heal they do the
1:00:47meditations to change and what are you
1:00:49what are you hoping that they
1:00:50change uh so it's just three things the
1:00:53way they think the way they act and the
1:00:55way they feel and how you think how you
1:00:58act and how you feel is called your
1:00:59personality and your personality is
1:01:02intimately connected to your personal
1:01:03reality so then let's unlearn the old
1:01:06personality that's 95% hardwired
1:01:09conditioned and habituated and that's
1:01:11the that's the hard work that's the
1:01:13overcoming process and then let's fire
1:01:16and wire new thoughts in our brain what
1:01:18do I want to believe a belief is just a
1:01:19thought I keep thinking over and over
1:01:21again so let's with intention let's with
1:01:24attention begin to install that the
1:01:26hardware keep doing it it becomes a
1:01:29software program that's the new voice in
1:01:31your head that's the new belief I can
1:01:33it's possible that's my vision okay a
1:01:36person who's healing from a health
1:01:37condition may have a good meditation in
1:01:40the morning 45 minutes hour half hour
1:01:43whatever feel really in Z 12 minutes
1:01:46feel really in the zone but then spends
1:01:48the rest of their day the rest of their
1:01:51day frustrated impatient angry uh
1:01:55suffering
1:01:57fearful okay so 1 hour it does not it's
1:02:01not going to work so let me mentally
1:02:05rehearse how I'm going to be in those
1:02:08circumstances now you know this the act
1:02:10of mental rehearsal you close your eyes
1:02:13and you rehearse doing something whether
1:02:14you're playing the piano or doing a
1:02:16sport or whatever you know this
1:02:18extremely well when you're truly present
1:02:20the brain cannot distinguish between the
1:02:23actual event and what you're imagining
1:02:25so
1:02:27what you're imagining becomes the
1:02:28experience and the brain looks like
1:02:31you've been playing the piano for 5 days
1:02:33it looks like you've been hitting a golf
1:02:35ball for the last week the brain looks
1:02:37like you've already done it now the
1:02:39brain's no longer a record of the past
1:02:40now now you're priming it as a map to
1:02:43the Future you're installing the
1:02:44hardware keep doing it you behave
1:02:47differently around your coworker there's
1:02:49no magic here you you be behave
1:02:51differently around your ex or whoever
1:02:53you're you're you're changing right now
1:02:56your to change is be greater than your
1:02:57environment to think act and feel
1:02:59differently in the same environment okay
1:03:02now can I stay in my heart can I feel an
1:03:05elevated emotion today let me just bring
1:03:08up the feeling I want to feel today and
1:03:10let me bring it up a hundred times so I
1:03:12I can bring it up on my own right so the
1:03:14word meditation then means to become
1:03:17familiar with that's what it means to
1:03:20become so familiar so conscious of your
1:03:23unconscious self that you don't default
1:03:25go unconscious in your waking day that's
1:03:28that is a great day and then okay how
1:03:30let me remind myself how I am going to
1:03:32think let me remind myself how I'm going
1:03:34to act at the staff meeting how am I
1:03:35going to act with my kids how am going
1:03:36to act when I'm here let me what would
1:03:37greatness look like what would love do
1:03:40let me just let me just rehearse it in
1:03:42my mind so I can get my behaviors to
1:03:44match my intentions let me get really
1:03:45clear okay no person no circumstance no
1:03:49condition in my life is going to move me
1:03:51from this elevated emotion now the game
1:03:53is on you're out of the bleachers you're
1:03:55on the playing field now because the
1:03:57person who's truly interested in healing
1:03:59says the moment I start feeling those
1:04:01familiar
1:04:03emotions I'm signaling the same genes
1:04:06and genes make proteins it's the
1:04:07environment that signals the gene okay
1:04:09the end product from an experience in
1:04:11the environment is an emotion so as long
1:04:13as I live by this emotion I'm signaling
1:04:15the same genes okay is it possible then
1:04:18if I feel this elevated emotion and I'm
1:04:21able to sustain it that I could actually
1:04:23my body would believe it's living in a
1:04:25different environment and if the
1:04:26environment signals the Gene and the end
1:04:28product of an experience in the
1:04:29environment is an emotion by me feeling
1:04:31this elevated emotion my entire day I
1:04:34can signal genes ahead of the
1:04:36environment what we discovered if you
1:04:38have
1:04:38intention in that state
1:04:41100% of the people actually signal the
1:04:45gene to make a protein 100% that's a
1:04:49pretty good odds it's going to happen
1:04:51what what duration of time Seven Days
1:04:55Seven well if you thin slice the amount
1:04:58of time they were doing intention work
1:05:00call it mental re 35 hours of meditation
1:05:02in a in a 7-Day event okay 35 hours of
1:05:05meditation and of that meditation are
1:05:07you including mental rehearsal mental
1:05:09imagery intention is that included in
1:05:12the 35 yeah it's a it's a it's a journey
1:05:14yeah so you're you're thin slicing there
1:05:17are thin slices of different types of
1:05:19meditation you're talking about yeah so
1:05:21that's one type of meditation we we do
1:05:23we do all kinds we create brain and
1:05:25heart go That's essential yeah when what
1:05:28we discovered Mike that was really crazy
1:05:30when we started when people started
1:05:32hitting these and I talk about it in the
1:05:35documentary where they're hitting these
1:05:38high high states of gamma
1:05:40like three standard deviations outside
1:05:43of normal when you're measuring anything
1:05:44is 2% of the population that's very very
1:05:47good we're
1:05:49getting high gamma coherent High gamma
1:05:52brain wave patterns 200 300 4 400
1:05:56standard deviations outside of three is
1:05:59an outlier so you imagine 197 more 297
1:06:03more of those little boxes this is a
1:06:05person who's having a supernatural
1:06:07amount of order in their autonomic
1:06:09nervous system so if
1:06:11stress is autonomic
1:06:14disregulation then the person who's
1:06:17functioning in that coherent highly
1:06:21regulated very intense gamma brain wave
1:06:24state that's producing some of ecstasy
1:06:26or Bliss that's an enormous amount of
1:06:29autonomic regulation and when people hit
1:06:32that
1:06:33moment somehow there's an
1:06:36immediate biological upgrade in their
1:06:38body there there's the condition and now
1:06:41it's gone because the autonomic nervous
1:06:42system is controlling and coordinating
1:06:45every other system in the body right so
1:06:47now the information that's traveling to
1:06:50the cell to the tissue to the organ to
1:06:52the system is very very coherent is very
1:06:55clear and the frequency is very fast and
1:06:58so a person somehow gets this kind of
1:07:01upgrade now that's that's where we've
1:07:03gotten like that's like the
1:07:05instantaneous stuff where I'm shaking my
1:07:07head and going muscular distrophy I mean
1:07:11come on like there's no cure for
1:07:13muscular distrophy the kid came in in a
1:07:16wheelchair and he's walking out of the
1:07:17event like I'm scratching my head like
1:07:20how did that happen he he had that
1:07:23moment of arousal but the arous B was an
1:07:26enormous amount of gamma and it wasn't
1:07:28happening in his thinking neocortex it
1:07:31was happening in the lyic brain the seed
1:07:33of the autonom nervous SYM on fire and
1:07:37that that's regulating enormous amounts
1:07:39of order right
1:07:41it's it's crazy yeah it's crazy I can't
1:07:46believe it I keep telling the scientists
1:07:47I can't believe this stuff and then and
1:07:49you should see the scientists because
1:07:51these are you know guys that have
1:07:53published 200 300 papers or very
1:07:55empirical now we're working with uh
1:07:58Harvard scientists and some Stanford
1:07:59people too and and they see the data the
1:08:03the first thing they fall out of their
1:08:05chair with is s days like a drug trial
1:08:08is you know 3 months 6 months this is
1:08:10they're like what 7 days and it's not
1:08:12like it's not like 10% of the population
1:08:15it's 80% it's 70% of your population
1:08:18yeah the community it's kind of insane
1:08:20they're like what no drug no drug trial
1:08:24does that best drug trials 25% one out
1:08:27of four this is like three out of four
1:08:29like and and and I keep saying to the
1:08:31scientists where are those chemicals
1:08:36coming from where are they coming from
1:08:38where are they coming from the person's
1:08:40not
1:08:41ingesting anything they're not changing
1:08:43their diet how can a person's microbiome
1:08:45in seven days be completely different
1:08:49completely different at least 15
1:08:52probiotic really powerful
1:08:55in in large communities changes in
1:08:58microbiome the only answer is they're
1:09:00not the same person if they were the
1:09:02same person they'd have the same
1:09:03microbiome right a different a different
1:09:06person completely different microbiome
1:09:08do you think that it's something unique
1:09:10and special that's happening in your
1:09:12methodology or so John kabin is a mentor
1:09:16friend of mine beautiful human being and
1:09:20um he's got a three and a 5 day
1:09:22meditation that I'll go to and so it's
1:09:26three days of call it you know 16 hours
1:09:29of noble silence meditation and do you
1:09:32think it happens there and this is not
1:09:34about John and about Joe this is about
1:09:36the the practice of meditation
1:09:40mindfulness over an extended period of
1:09:44time um I I think
1:09:48that uh any methodology can work as long
1:09:52as the person understands what they're
1:09:54doing and and why they're doing it I
1:09:56think that's important and there's
1:09:57elements of
1:09:59mindfulness uh in the work that we do
1:10:02but there's a the scientists uh call it
1:10:07WTF fullness like what like what is that
1:10:12like like what is that and I honestly
1:10:15believe that um when you get in that
1:10:18right brain State like theto you're
1:10:20suggestible to information you're in a
1:10:22hypnotic state right and
1:10:25you suggestibility is your ability to
1:10:27accept information believe information
1:10:29surrender to it without analyzing it and
1:10:31somehow it it programs the subconscious
1:10:34or affects the autonomic nervous system
1:10:36but if your eyes are
1:10:38closed and you're in meditation and and
1:10:40the music filling the space and you're
1:10:42not seeing anything you're not you know
1:10:43you're not hearing ambient sounds you're
1:10:45not tasting you're not smelling you're
1:10:47not feeling anything with your physical
1:10:49body but you're still suggestible to
1:10:50information there's only one other place
1:10:53you can get information from that's free
1:10:55frequency right so get the get the
1:10:58nervous system tuned up to order and
1:11:01there's an invisible field of energy
1:11:03that exists beyond our
1:11:05senses that we are immersed in that
1:11:08somehow the brain can
1:11:10transduce that frequency into
1:11:12information in our biology
1:11:15because 25 hours of focusing a lot of
1:11:18times on a good portion of that on
1:11:21nothing physical and material
1:11:25somehow there's effects dramatic effects
1:11:29in people's biology to the extent that
1:11:32the end of seven days their biology
1:11:34looks like they're living in a whole new
1:11:36life it looks like they're living in a
1:11:38whole new environment and they're in a
1:11:40ballroom and there's really nothing
1:11:42really spectacular in a ballroom I've
1:11:44been to thousands of them they all look
1:11:46the same when you have a one week post
1:11:49trial 3 we 6 week post- trial and you
1:11:53measure checkin uh and whatever ways
1:11:55what what are you finding um happens
1:11:58post okay I'll tell you I'll tell you
1:12:00what we we know so
1:12:02far um HRV
1:12:06levels after uh the 7-Day event continue
1:12:11to improve for two to three weeks in
1:12:13other words we do these healings on each
1:12:16other and you got to get into this super
1:12:19altered state and we see the part go
1:12:23completely out of order like there's a
1:12:25arousal that's insane and you see it in
1:12:27the
1:12:28collective that
1:12:30experience produces an emotion of love
1:12:34and joy that tends to
1:12:36linger for weeks if not months after the
1:12:39event the person's just feelings a whole
1:12:41different
1:12:42feeling um we see um brain coherence uh
1:12:47sustained we see um certain people not
1:12:50all of them uh their microbiome stays
1:12:53changed uh we see some people regress uh
1:12:57because they stop doing the work and
1:13:01they return back to their environment
1:13:03and their environment is controlling how
1:13:06they're feeling and controlling how
1:13:08they're thinking and controlling how
1:13:09they're acting they return back to the
1:13:11same personality and so you see this
1:13:14kind of encroachment slowly over time
1:13:16yeah of disease starting to re reoccur
1:13:20um but I think really one of the cool
1:13:22things that I'm proud about with our
1:13:24community
1:13:26is that people do the work and I I don't
1:13:29think they do it because they have to I
1:13:31think they do it because there's magic
1:13:33happening in their life with
1:13:36opportunities and synchronicities and
1:13:37coincidences and and um that inspires
1:13:41them uh to want to keep the magic going
1:13:44so uh um yeah we've seen great changes
1:13:48uh and we've seen great the people who
1:13:50have those High gamma moments where
1:13:53there's the Parkinson's and now it's
1:13:55gone those tend to be very permanent
1:13:58like we very rarely see like the there's
1:14:01a regression of the condition and and we
1:14:04we have a language expert you know that
1:14:07that at the University of Central
1:14:09Oklahoma he's really studies the
1:14:11language of transformation and he he
1:14:13started off studying like I think it was
1:14:16like 26 or 28 case histories of people
1:14:19that tell their testimonial their their
1:14:22story of transformation and he's got a
1:14:24huge AI system and we were picking apart
1:14:27the language of transformation so that I
1:14:30can actually teach it better and I know
1:14:34the words then that I could use to help
1:14:36people get there easier and one of the
1:14:39main things that happens in people who
1:14:41who really fully immerse themselves is
1:14:45that the word I felt it or feel it is
1:14:48the most common word and it breaks down
1:14:50into two two uh venues one is it's very
1:14:54SU itic like I don't know what that was
1:14:58like my heart blew open the top of my
1:15:00head blew off there was lightning bolts
1:15:02coming out of my hand I could feel every
1:15:05atom in my body vibrating to a certain
1:15:07level of ORD it's very sematic like what
1:15:09the
1:15:10hell and the other component Mike is is
1:15:13very emotional like I never felt love
1:15:16like that before I never felt anything I
1:15:19don't even have the word to describe it
1:15:22but as a
1:15:23consequence of that
1:15:25experience there's a
1:15:28temporality like I'm not I'm not that
1:15:31person any longer like that's not me
1:15:33that used to be that's a different
1:15:34person I'm somebody else right and so
1:15:38the the the those those High arousals
1:15:42where the person moves into those States
1:15:44uh there there's an upgrade that takes
1:15:47biologically that that's sustained for a
1:15:49good period of time what does your
1:15:51practice look like um so I'm a morning
1:15:53person I'm always been a morning person
1:15:56I I have a lot of things that I have to
1:15:58do in one
1:16:00day my belief is that if I can get
1:16:02myself right if I if I can overcome
1:16:04myself the beginning of the day it's
1:16:06everybody else is
1:16:08easy so I I allow for two hours every
1:16:11morning doesn't doesn't mean I
1:16:12necessarily take two hours but I like
1:16:15the morning where everybody's asleep I'm
1:16:17early
1:16:17riser I get in my think box it's really
1:16:20important I I I'm not a i Pace I move
1:16:23around I get you know okay I think about
1:16:26the the obvious things I look at my
1:16:28calendar I get all that taken care of
1:16:30okay this that the other thing I get all
1:16:32that worked out and then then it is
1:16:34really uh me sitting down and and doing
1:16:36the work my my goal is to be the example
1:16:39really of everything that I teach so I
1:16:41have to lead by example uh and I think
1:16:44experience is the greatest Professor so
1:16:46I'm going to I'm going to step into uh
1:16:49we we interface with the world you know
1:16:51I have a lots of Zoom calls lots of
1:16:54meetings lots of things to learn um but
1:16:57really my morning practice is getting
1:17:00myself ready for my day uh how am I
1:17:03going to face uh unexpected things and
1:17:06how long am I going to emotionally react
1:17:08for if I react I mean it's not that you
1:17:10react question is how long you going to
1:17:12keep that going right got it yeah so so
1:17:15then I'm there's things I'm working on
1:17:16with myself you know that I always that
1:17:18I always want to unlearn and relearn you
1:17:20know is this more um are you using your
1:17:26a meditative practice or a Writing
1:17:27Practice no no no the morning the first
1:17:30part the think box of just looking at my
1:17:31day is that's the known that's
1:17:33analytical if you that's the knowns
1:17:35let's just okay I can go through that
1:17:37very quickly then I'll say okay when I
1:17:38get done I'm going to have to read this
1:17:40stuff just to get ready or someone's
1:17:41going to brief me on it and I'll get
1:17:43ready okay but then there's Joe the
1:17:44spend on the journey right who do I want
1:17:47to be one day one lifetime yeah let me
1:17:50just see if I can let me see if I can
1:17:52embody this person let me see if I can
1:17:54keep my energy up see if I can stay in
1:17:55my heart let me see if I can really be
1:17:57present and considerate and kind and
1:17:59then the rest of the day I'm serving you
1:18:01know the rest of the day I'm busy and my
1:18:03my my ambition is to be able to to
1:18:07maintain that modified State of Mind and
1:18:09Body my entire day only for the simple
1:18:12reason that I want the synchronicity I
1:18:14want the weird opportunity I want the
1:18:16unusual thing that caused me to go huh
1:18:19did I really create that am I am I
1:18:22somehow in the creative process here
1:18:24instead of being the victim in my life
1:18:25that person that circumstance is
1:18:27actually controlling my feelings and
1:18:29thoughts and ultimately my behaviors
1:18:31that's a program right so I want to
1:18:33switch from that Mo that mode into being
1:18:36the Creator so I got to get in the state
1:18:39where I can create and that means
1:18:41sometimes it takes me a little bit
1:18:43longer and sometimes it takes me like
1:18:45almost an hour to get Beyond myself but
1:18:47I'm not going to get up until I'm that
1:18:50person and I don't care if it if I run
1:18:52over it's just in in the light of all
1:18:54the eternity that's worth it to me right
1:18:56so so I allow for those two hours
1:18:59sometimes the whole entire two hours I'm
1:19:00Inward and other times I fall into the
1:19:03fold and you know it's it's like you
1:19:06said you're you're there and you just
1:19:08want to elongate the moment do anything
1:19:11except I always say memorize this
1:19:12feeling dude memorize this feeling
1:19:15memorize it bring it up keep remembering
1:19:17this this is who you are right so when I
1:19:20when I open my
1:19:21eyes and I do do that my day is
1:19:24differently than when when I don't and
1:19:25and and I like the I like the
1:19:28synchronicities I like the unknown
1:19:30experiences because it proves to me that
1:19:32I am the creator of my life at the end
1:19:34of my day it's always the same question
1:19:36how'd you do dude like how did you do
1:19:38today like yeah when'd you fall from
1:19:39grace what what person what circumstance
1:19:42when when did you lose it when did you
1:19:43go unconscious then of course the next
1:19:46question is new day tomorrow how are you
1:19:49going to think different how are you
1:19:50going to behave differently in that same
1:19:52circumstance another shot at it Joe the
1:19:54spend what would you do and if you die
1:19:56if I don't know the answer I'm going to
1:19:57look it up and find out what what would
1:20:00some somebody somebody
1:20:02somewhere sometime must have faced this
1:20:05and how did they do it so let me just
1:20:07learn that and then let me just let me
1:20:09integrate that into my Evolution right
1:20:12because I what I want to do is I just
1:20:13want to make steady
1:20:15strides in my own Evolution and
1:20:17sometimes I work on things for months
1:20:20you know just just but I know that that
1:20:22is the I know that when I change my life
1:20:25changes I mean I know that nothing
1:20:27changes in our life until we change
1:20:29right so again if I could if I could
1:20:32work with it if it takes me two months
1:20:34to get there uh it's always it's always
1:20:38worth the effort so what challenges you
1:20:40the most my biggest challenge is time
1:20:42you know I I mean I do a lot of things
1:20:44and I think it's a commodity uh but if
1:20:47I'm in the present moment uh and I'm not
1:20:50thinking about time somehow it magically
1:20:51works so I I work a lot on that what is
1:20:54is your great anxiety am I doing enough
1:20:57yeah yeah not like in an obsessive way
1:21:01but one thing that really works well for
1:21:03me and I'm totally happy with this is
1:21:05that I I need I just need time alone and
1:21:08I and I think that that helps me the
1:21:11most a couple quick hits yeah I am how
1:21:15do you finish that thought joyful right
1:21:18now my vision is uh to make a difference
1:21:21in the World to Change people to another
1:21:24change people in order to change the
1:21:25world relationships are most important
1:21:28thing we have my philosophy is live life
1:21:31to its fullest and that we the creator
1:21:33of our life if you could sit with one
1:21:35master somebody that's a true master of
1:21:38self or craft who would it be and if you
1:21:41only had one question what would you ask
1:21:43well I would choose somebody that was
1:21:45enlightened whoever that would be and
1:21:48then I would ask him what's my blind
1:21:49spot that's all I'd want to know just
1:21:52maybe just ask your wife she probably
1:21:53knows
1:21:55of course as one of your kids or
1:21:57something that's what I always do to say
1:21:58to my kids how am I doing yeah how am I
1:22:00doing like so um Mastery is I think when
1:22:04you know that you know how to do
1:22:08something and you can shorten the
1:22:10distance between the thought of what you
1:22:12want and the experience of having it
1:22:14that's really cool that's my best shot
1:22:16that is speaking for my present state of
1:22:19ignorance my working philosophy is every
1:22:21day is an
1:22:22opportunity to create a living
1:22:24Masterpiece and each one of those words
1:22:28matters um opportunity create a
1:22:31masterpiece and so when you think about
1:22:33a living Masterpiece what comes to mind
1:22:36for you I really like studying uh people
1:22:39who have near-death experiences it's
1:22:42just really fascinating to me because
1:22:43when they come back their brain's
1:22:45completely different for sure and their
1:22:47world view is different there's nothing
1:22:50greater than being a part of a human
1:22:53being's transformation there's nothing
1:22:55greater when you can
1:22:57celebrate someone's personal change and
1:23:00transformation and I think the greatest
1:23:02form of gratitude that we can ever
1:23:04experience is when we receive gratitude
1:23:06from someone else I think there's an
1:23:08empathy that's innate in us that we kind
1:23:11of go we feel what that person's feeling
1:23:14when their life has changed right or
1:23:17they're they're appreciative and I think
1:23:21our our social networks switch on I
1:23:24think we Come Together We commune we
1:23:26connect more and I think there's a
1:23:28greater appreciation for life and so
1:23:31Mission my mission driven people are
1:23:36people who really really want to make a
1:23:38difference in people's uh people's lives
1:23:40and I think I think that's the highest
1:23:42form of motivation and I think people uh
1:23:45you know we see this in our work all the
1:23:46time Mike you know they people come for
1:23:48wealth they come for health they come
1:23:51for relationships they come for mystical
1:23:52experience doesn't matter to me it
1:23:54doesn't matter to me it's just that's
1:23:56just one experience like the people who
1:23:59actually heal themselves they they're
1:24:01not victimized by their their their
1:24:03disease that they they tell me I would
1:24:05have never changed would have never
1:24:07changed unless I had this disease right
1:24:10and so then but what what people
1:24:13ultimately come for after they arrive at
1:24:15whatever it is they they arrive at is
1:24:17wholeness they just want wholeness I
1:24:19mean imagine being so whole you no
1:24:21longer want how could you want when
1:24:23you're whole yeah and somehow the
1:24:26self-reported questionnaires that we do
1:24:30around that that there's a direct
1:24:32correlation with the heart and the Brain
1:24:35you know coherence in the heart and the
1:24:37Brain that's synchron synchronization
1:24:39that takes place and that kind of
1:24:41explanation like I don't I'm I'm I don't
1:24:44want anything and and I think when we're
1:24:46in that state everybody's okay it's
1:24:49amazing you know cardiac disease is one
1:24:51of the the big killers and for folks
1:24:54that are listening that are struggling
1:24:56with cardiac disease and they've got
1:24:59maybe blockage they've got a
1:25:00calcification they've got something
1:25:02going on would you
1:25:05suggest um because you've talked about
1:25:07the heart a lot would you suggest a
1:25:10daily meditation practice uh if they're
1:25:13not yours figured out would you suggest
1:25:15a healing imagery where they see the
1:25:17decalcification taking place like yeah
1:25:20yeah I think it's more than that though
1:25:21I mean um I think there's three types of
1:25:24stress physical chemical and emotional I
1:25:26think there's three types of balance
1:25:27physical chemical and emotional I work
1:25:29really hard in my life to be physically
1:25:32balanced chemically balanced and
1:25:34emotionally balanced the hard one out of
1:25:36the three because you know 90 75 to 90%
1:25:39of every person that walks into a health
1:25:41care facility walks in because of
1:25:43psychological and emotional stress so
1:25:45you could be visualizing all you want
1:25:47seeing your AR is clear you could be an
1:25:49emotional basket case and it's not going
1:25:52to work cuz the heart and survival and
1:25:54stress is out of balance right so so
1:25:57there's a there's got to be the right I
1:25:59believe me personally I believe there's
1:26:01got to be a right state that you have to
1:26:04be in to be able to have the
1:26:08visual process be the most effective uh
1:26:11because otherwise it's trying it's
1:26:14forcing it's wishing it's hoping it's
1:26:17fighting it's competing that's not
1:26:19that's lack that's like we cannot
1:26:21attract anything in our life that we
1:26:23feel separate from from so in order for
1:26:25the person to heal their heart their
1:26:28heart has to be open that their heart
1:26:29has to be activated that Center has got
1:26:31to be
1:26:32awakened then the greatest effects that
1:26:35you can see and we've seen this with
1:26:37people the greatest effects takes place
1:26:40beyond our comprehension of how that
1:26:42little protrusion disappeared the pr how
1:26:45did it disappear that's not it's none of
1:26:47your business the autonomic nervous
1:26:50system can manufacture chemistry like
1:26:52that's insane we've Prov proven it so
1:26:54like it's none of your business all you
1:26:56have to do is when it happens and how it
1:26:59happens is none of our business but we
1:27:01got to be in the right state right
1:27:02getting people in the right state is the
1:27:04challenge then the rehearsal the the the
1:27:08positive imagery all that stuff has the
1:27:11greatest outcome but that works better
1:27:14in children we discovered than in adults
1:27:16what works better in adults is for them
1:27:18to change if I change my heart should
1:27:21change if I change my life should change
1:27:24and and and people say um I don't know
1:27:2780% of the tumors went away I wasn't
1:27:29doing anything like I I was just doing
1:27:31my meditations there well of course
1:27:33you're in
1:27:34homeostasis uh and your body's Back in
1:27:37Balance because because stress is the
1:27:39lack of homeostasis some people's
1:27:41goals when they have a diagnosis is not
1:27:44like I'm going to heal their goal is
1:27:47like I've been out of homeostasis for
1:27:50the last 10 years my job is to get back
1:27:54into homeostasis if I get back into
1:27:56homeostasis a better shot of me healing
1:27:58now then with that comes a lot of
1:28:00challenges like I said it's not that you
1:28:03react yeah that's how long you react you
1:28:06are more of a bottom up approach versus
1:28:09a top down yeah right create the
1:28:11conditions create the physiological
1:28:13experience and one of the conditions is
1:28:16the neurochemistry that happens between
1:28:17people the community so you're more of a
1:28:19bottoms up but you're not absent of a
1:28:21top down because because a person could
1:28:24say I'm healthy I'm healthy I'm wealthy
1:28:26I'm wealthy I'm free I'm free I'm a
1:28:27limit and their body's programmed and
1:28:30their body saying no you're not you're
1:28:31miserable dude like the thought never
1:28:33passes the brain stem so that
1:28:35affirmation thing is kind of yeah but
1:28:37get a person in the right state where
1:28:38they're feeling
1:28:40grateful oh we accept believe and
1:28:42surrender to thoughts equal to our
1:28:44emotional state so the bottom up is
1:28:46important the top
1:28:48down is the is the is the application is
1:28:51the technique right you got to set up
1:28:54you got to set up the conditions and I
1:28:56think I think I've I've done everything
1:28:58wrong I've made all the wrong turns like
1:29:00I've I'll try this I'll try that and and
1:29:03so I only go I don't do any type of
1:29:05meditation that's traditional I just
1:29:08look at the data yeah that's really
1:29:11cool um Peter said that you're just
1:29:14going to love having a conversation I've
1:29:16known you from a distance and have
1:29:19respected the work that you're doing and
1:29:20the mission that you're on and um I've
1:29:23really appreciate this conversation
1:29:25Peter told me the same thing about you
1:29:26and it's absolutely the truth and I hope
1:29:28we become friends oh I would love that
1:29:30man yeah congratulations on the way that
1:29:33you're making a difference in other
1:29:34people's lives and people change people
1:29:37um and you're making a big impact on
1:29:39changing folks so congrats I'm stoked
1:29:42that we got to meet thank you Peter um
1:29:45and Dr Joe despenza what a gift thank
1:29:48you Mike thank you for the opportunity
1:29:49to contribute appreciate you yeah thank
1:29:53you come on

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