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0:00Okay, if we can sit down, let's get
0:01started. I'm only be given one hour and
0:04I've got to zip through this. So, if you
0:07can sit down so others can see above
0:09you. Is this being recorded, Daniel?
0:14Okay.
0:15I'm not going to do the full talk that I
0:17was planning to do because you can't do
0:19it in one hour. So, I'm not going to do
0:21Mecca. I'm not going to do the sources.
0:23I'm not going to do Muhammad. Those have
0:25already be done. We did that earlier
0:27today. We did it yesterday.
0:29Daniel, were those recorded? The ones we
0:32did on Muhammad and Dan and Mecca. You
0:34can get the recordings from them here at
0:37the church. What I'm going to do today
0:39is just the Quran. Okay. So, let's go
0:41ahead and let's start. Let's get right
0:44into it. So, we're now on number four.
0:47We've gone through the sources. We've
0:48seen from all the sources that none of
0:51the sources for everything we know about
0:52Islam, about the origins, about
0:54Muhammad, about what happened in Mecca,
0:56anything that you know about his life,
0:58what happened and how Islam began, all
1:00those sources do not exist at all from
1:04the seventh century. There is no record
1:06anywhere of Muhammad in the 7th century.
1:08Not the Muhammad from Arabia. There are
1:11many references of Muhammad all over the
1:13place because the word Muhammad means
1:16the praised one. It's a title. It's a
1:18Hebrew word as well. The same word Mhm.
1:21in Song of Solomon 5:16, Solomon is
1:24Mahmud. 11 times in the Old Testament,
1:26you will find Mmud. Every time it's
1:29referring to God, the altogether love,
1:31the Messiah, the praised one. By the
1:34time of the 3rd century AD, it become it
1:37was taken by Ambrose and it was made as
1:40the reference to Jesus Christ himself.
1:42He was the Muhammmed. He was the
1:45Messiah. So it's another derivative of
1:47Messiah. By the 7th century in Syriak,
1:50all of the Syriak writers were using Mhm
1:52to refer to Jesus Christ. So Mahmud,
1:55which became Muhammed, depending on
1:57where you put the vowels in the 8th and
1:599th century, that was an Arab invent,
2:02I'm sorry, a Islamic invention by the
2:04Abbassids. So before the 8th 9th
2:07century, the Mads that you look at, we
2:09went through it already today. Everyone
2:11in every case were different people who
2:14normally were either the praised one
2:16people who are up in Gaza. They were in
2:18Jerusalem. They were in uh what we today
2:21we will call Bhagda. There was called
2:23Hida back then and Steson. These are the
2:26MMs, the Muhammads of the 7th century.
2:29Notice none of them are in Arabia. Look
2:31at a map. They're all too far north.
2:34When we talked about Mecca, we notice
2:36that there is no reference to any place
2:38called Mecca until 8 741. That is the
2:408th century. All of the other places,
2:43Mecca is not on any map. It's not
2:45referred to by anyone. It's not on any
2:47documents. And yet all the surrounding
2:49nations with Dr. Patricia Corona who
2:51reads and writes 15 languages went to
2:54all the surrounding nations to the
2:55Himites, the Aelites. She went to the
2:58Nubians, she went to the Nabotans, she
3:00went to the Assyrians, she went to the
3:02the Babylonians, she went also to the
3:06Persians and the Romans. could not find
3:08any reference to the city called Mecca.
3:10Look at all of writing in the second
3:12century. He is the one that did the
3:14geography of Arabia. Mecca just does not
3:17exist. And the reason Mecca doesn't
3:20exist. Anybody know the reason? There's
3:21one word.
3:23>> There's no water. That's right. It all
3:25has to do with water. So now we have
3:27shut down the sources. The sources that
3:29do begin to appear are starting to
3:32appear in the 9th century. 833. That's
3:36Iban Isam. He's the first one to write
3:38down the biography from Muhammad. We now
3:40know as of last year that Ibnisham did
3:43not write one word down. There is no
3:45manuscript anywhere of anything by Iben
3:47Hisham. The biography of the prophet
3:50that you all use that's in that table
3:51outside in the foyer written. Look at
3:54it. It says Ibn Isak. There is nobody
3:56named Iben Isak. But if you open the
3:59information, if you look at the
4:00introduction page, the man who wrote
4:02that says that this was written by Iben
4:05Hisham. There is no manuscript
4:07whatsoever by Ibnam. So who wrote that
4:10book that's on that table, which is the
4:11biography? We now know it was written by
4:14Frederick Hinrich Worustenfeld, a German
4:16scholar in 1860. That's 160 years ago.
4:21It is only 160 years old. We're now
4:24finding that sahibari sahi Muslim
4:28all of the traditions all the hadith
4:30we're now finding even
4:33all of these traditions known as the
4:35taps the in the hadith every one of them
4:38are not written down until the 12th 13th
4:4116th and the 17th century none of them
4:43come from the 9th and 10th century
4:45that's yet you're the first to hear
4:47about it that's yet to go public we're
4:49going to do that in about two weeks but
4:51can you see so if we have nothing at all
4:54from the seventh century. If we have
4:56nothing from the 8th century, if we have
4:57nothing from the 9th and 10th century,
4:59if these traditions only start to be
5:01written down and appearing in the 12th,
5:0313th, and the 16th century and going all
5:06the way up into the 18th century, sorry,
5:0819th century, if it's 1860,
5:11what then do we do with the Quran? All
5:14right, this is the most damaging
5:16material today. All right, and this is
5:18why we we we're ending with this. Let's
5:21now go to the Quran. So when you go to
5:23the Quran, the problem exists here.
5:26First and foremost, what do Muslims
5:27claim about the Quran? Am I in your way
5:30over here? If I pull back, is that
5:31better? Can you see? All right.
5:33Actually, if you could move over here,
5:35then I'll be better.
5:38And you and you and you and you. In
5:39fact, all of you just move over here.
5:41There you're fine. I'm just joking. You
5:43can see fine. All right. So, what do
5:45Muslims claim? Number these are the four
5:47claims. They claim four things. First of
5:49all, they claim the the Quran is
5:51uncreated. It exists eternally on clay
5:54tablets in heaven. That's a chapter
5:5585:22. So, it's in the Quran. They're
5:58making a claim that the Quran makes
6:00itself. Number two, they claimed that
6:02the Quran was sent down to Muhammad
6:03between 610 and 632. Sent down to one
6:06man named Muhammad over that 22-year
6:08period. That it was completed by Uman in
6:11652. That's the mid7th century. And that
6:14it has not changed. Not one word, not
6:17one letter in 1400 years. So just re
6:20memorize those four blue words.
6:23Uncreated, sent down, completed,
6:25unchanged. Every Muslim makes those
6:28claims except the liberals.
6:30They have to make those claims. Why?
6:33Because the Quran makes those claims.
6:35Sent down. Well, that actually comes
6:36from the hadith. That comes from Albu 6,
6:39Hadith number 509 and 510. Completed in
6:42652. That comes straight out of Sahib
6:45Bukhari volume 6 hadith number 510. And
6:49then unchanged that comes straight out
6:51of the Quran. That's in chapter 10:15.
6:53That's in chapter 18 27. And it's an
6:56unchanged not one word, one not one
6:58letter. Why? Because Allah guards it.
7:00That's in chapter 15:9.
7:02So the Quran makes these claims. All
7:05right? To understand that I want you to
7:07play plays video number one or video A.
7:12Our
7:16claim, the Muslim claim has been for the
7:18last 14 centuries that the Quran is
7:20absolutely word by word preserved. Word
7:24by word
7:24>> and frankly you know the Quran has been
7:27preserved. We believe word for word,
7:29LETTER FOR LETTER.
7:30>> HAVE NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER THAT the Quran
7:35has been preserved TO THE LETTER TO THE
7:38DOT AND TO THE SOUND. WHEN WE TALK about
7:41this The Quran is exactly the same. The
7:44Quran shall remain uncorrupted,
7:47untouched
7:48and unchallenged until the day of
7:51judgment.
7:51>> Quran that we read is exactly the one
7:53that was given to Prophet Muhammad peace
7:55be upon him word for word, letter by
7:58letter, surah by surah.
7:59>> It was revealed to the prophet
8:01sallallahu alaihi wasallam and preserved
8:02word by word, letter by letter, har even
8:05the pronunciation is preserved.
8:07>> Okay, these are all modern claims that
8:09have been taken in the last two years.
8:11These are all the top clerics. I know
8:13every one of these guys. I've debated
8:15all of them on the internet. That's why
8:17you I have to put that up there. So,
8:19it's not me making this claim. They make
8:21that claim. Did they not say word for
8:23word, letter for letter? Some even said
8:25dot for dot, even sound for sound.
8:27Fascinating. Isn't that great? Boy, they
8:30they just love to hang themselves. So,
8:32let's see if that is correct. Why do
8:34they make these claims? They have to,
8:35folks, because the Quran makes these
8:38claims in chapter 85. I've already said
8:40that it is a glorious Quran inscribed in
8:43preserved tablets preserved tablets. You
8:45need to go to Ibn Kir. You need to go to
8:47Bawi Zamakshi. You need to go to Alabi.
8:49Look at the taps. Everyone says these
8:52are eternal. Chapter 10:15 and chapter
8:5418 27 say it is not for me to change it.
8:57None can change the word of God. Why?
9:00Because Allah himself will guard it in
9:02chapter 15:9. So it's the Quran that
9:05makes these claims not the Muslims. They
9:07have to do that. Now, do we make that
9:09claim about our Bible? Please do not. We
9:11do not say the Bible was uncreated. It
9:13was created. We know who created it. The
9:15Bible was not sent down to anyone. It
9:17was inspired by God, but it was written
9:19by men. We even know the names of the
9:21men who wrote it. We put their names on
9:23many of the books. The Bible was
9:25complete in its original form, though we
9:27don't have the original form today. And
9:28the Bible has been changed in the last
9:302,000 years. We know where the changes
9:32are. We even write them in the
9:34footnotes. and we put a line before and
9:36a line after and say these verses are
9:38not found in the earliest Greek
9:39manuscripts. We're as transparent as you
9:41can get. So our remit today, what am I
9:43to do? I cannot critique the first two
9:46because I'm not eternal and I am
9:48certainly was not living in the seventh
9:50century. But I can critique critique the
9:52last two claims. So what I demand of
9:55every Muslim and you demand the same
9:57thing go to any Muslim that makes these
9:58claim and say right show me one Quran
10:01manuscript today that is from the 7th
10:04century that is complete all 114 suras
10:07and that is unchanged exactly like the
10:091924 Huffs Quran that we use today. Now
10:12I want somebody if someone could go over
10:14to that table over there and bring me
10:15the two Qurans that are over on that
10:16table.
10:19They're in Arabic. If you could just
10:20bring them here. We're going to talk
10:22about them in just a bit. So here you
10:24have we would that's what we're
10:26demanding one manuscript of one Quran
10:28that goes all the way back to utman that
10:30is exactly like this Quran that I'm
10:32going to hold up in my hand today
10:34complete and unchanged. So the Quran
10:37we're talking about is this one here the
10:39green one. This is the Huffs text. This
10:40is a Huffs anam text. This is the one
10:43that every Muslim claims is the
10:46uncreated
10:47complete unchanged and sent down Quran.
10:51All right, that's it. I've got it in my
10:53hand here. Written by Iben by Huffs. I'm
10:56going to not tell you his date. We'll
10:58get to that a little later. So, let's
11:00continue on. Where do we go to find out
11:02the Quran's creation? We go to Sahib
11:04Bukhari. We go all the way to the 9th
11:08century, the late 9th century. Actually,
11:10that's all going to be changed in about
11:12two weeks. We don't go to alkari in the
11:159th century. Alkhari doesn't even begin
11:16to appear until the 12th century. And
11:18this reference in this there are nine
11:20manus. There are nine volumes. The
11:22volume that contains this material was
11:24not written until the 16th century.
11:26Folks, that's 800 years too late.
11:28Nonetheless, 7th century Qurans, what we
11:31are told by all the manus by all the
11:33Muslims is that according to the Islamic
11:36traditions, what we're told is that when
11:38Muhammad died, the Quran had not yet
11:40been completed. It had to be written by
11:42Zed Tabid who was the secretary of
11:46Muhammad and he wrote it down and he
11:48gave it to Abu Bakr there in 632 because
11:5170 men had died in the battle of Yamama
11:53and with their death goes their memory.
11:55So it became a crisis. They had to write
11:57the Quran. So that was done in 652.
12:00That's the second thing you see there.
12:02I'm going to get my pointer here so I
12:04can so you can see what I'm pointing to.
12:05Where's my bag?
12:12So that's this right here 652. All
12:14right. Bingo right there. Now what we do
12:16know is that almost immediately in 652
12:20after Uman had this Quran rewritten the
12:24second one rewritten in 652 he then sent
12:27it to five cities. See the five cities
12:29that are circled there on the map. So
12:31you can see there's Mecca, Medina,
12:33there's Basra Kufa which is Baghdad and
12:35Damascus. Two are in Iraq. Two are in
12:38Arabia and one is in Syria. Those are
12:41the first five Qurans that were created
12:44so that the Quran could never be
12:45corrupted again. Could never be changed
12:47again. Look at the dates 652. This is 20
12:50years after Muhammad's death. Now what's
12:52interesting is according to tradition
12:55suddenly new Qurans start to appear.
12:57They start to appear up here. I'm sorry
12:59I'm looking hitting the wrong thing.
13:01They start to appear up here. One was
13:03written by Uba Iban Kab. He lived in
13:05Damascus. He came up with a new Quran
13:07according to the traditions which had
13:10116 suras. The Quran today only has 114.
13:13So that's two extra suras according to
13:16the traditions. There's another Quran
13:17that appeared in Bas I'm sorry in
13:20Bhagdad written by Ib Masud and it only
13:23had 110 suras. There's 114 suras in the
13:26Quran today. So it's not the same Quran.
13:28And then Ibn Musa came up with a third
13:30Quran that had 114 suras but not the
13:32same suras. In fact, 15,000 differences
13:36between those three Qurans and the Quran
13:37we have today according to the
13:39traditions. Zimbab is the one that we
13:42are supposedly have today. Now, here's
13:45the problem. Note, there are at least
13:47five Qurans in the seventh century from
13:49Medina, Meakabas Kufa, and Damascus.
13:54We don't even have one of them today. No
13:57Muslim can show me any of Uman's Qurans.
14:00But something happens between the
14:02seventh and the 8th century. The kirat
14:04Qurans begin to be introduced.
14:08What do we mean? What are we talking
14:09about?
14:13The Arabic in the seventh century and we
14:15talked about this in the last class and
14:17our where are Arabic speakers here? If
14:18you could just raise your hands. Okay,
14:20why don't you come up here so I can use
14:22you as my foil. This is Ali. Ali is the
14:25Arabic speaker and he agreed with me on
14:28this. Ali, while you're coming up here,
14:29is it true that if you in order to read
14:32the Quran, you have to have dots and
14:33vowels.
14:34>> Am I correct? And what do the dots do?
14:38>> Changing the word.
14:39>> Changes the word.
14:40>> Changes the word.
14:41>> Changes the letters.
14:42>> Changes the letters.
14:43>> Okay.
14:43>> Yeah.
14:44>> So, before the dots were created or were
14:46introduced, how many letters were there?
14:48You don't know this answer, but there
14:50were how many?
14:51>> 20.
14:52>> There are 28 today, but before the dots
14:54were created,
14:55>> 24
14:56>> 16
14:58They were only 16. See, even the Muslims
15:00don't know this or the Arabs don't know
15:02this.
15:04Don't expect them to. No Arab will know
15:07this. No Muslim will know what I'm
15:09telling you right now. The scholars
15:11will. All the scholars know what I'm
15:14saying, but you won't. There are only 16
15:16letters in the Arabic uh the Arabic uh
15:19alphabet in the seventh century. How
15:21many vowels existed in the seventh
15:24century?
15:27In the seventh century
15:29zero zero
15:31>> zero
15:32there were no dharma kas and fat. And
15:34what is the dhamma? What's the kas and
15:36what's the fat?
15:36>> The dama say o at the kas e and the fat
15:42say a.
15:43>> Okay.
15:44>> U e.
15:45>> Three vowels.
15:45>> U. Yeah.
15:46>> All right. And then you also have the
15:48long one and the short one. Right.
15:49>> Yeah. The long one and the short one.
15:50>> Okay. Are you listening to him? So I'm
15:53not making this up. He's telling you
15:54that though he didn't know anything
15:55about the seventh century.
15:56>> Even there is something between the word
15:59you can you when you when you saying the
16:01word for the women you have to say e for
16:04the men you say ah.
16:06>> Yeah.
16:06>> E because you're scared. Ah because
16:08you're enhanced or in awe.
16:12So can you notice in the seventh century
16:15we have to go stay here. Sit near here
16:17because I may want to call you up again.
16:20This guy is great. I wish I could take
16:21it with him with me everywhere. Ready?
16:24>> Are you ready? Huh? You
16:27I shouldn't have said that. Now I'm
16:28going to have to hold my hold up to what
16:30I asked. So today there are now 28
16:32letters, but there were not 28 letters.
16:34There were only 16 letters back in the
16:377th century known as the obviously this
16:40caused a problem in understanding what
16:42was being written. A single consonental
16:44letter could be pronounced five to eight
16:46different ways depending on where you
16:48put the dots and the vowels. But
16:49remember these dots and vows did not
16:51exist in the seventh century. Thus in
16:53the 8th century the dots known as hijams
16:56and the vows known as haraka had to be
16:59created and added to the script to help
17:01Muslims read. So take let me just show
17:03you what I'm talking about. Look at this
17:05right here. There are two manuscripts.
17:07This is that is the samuran over there
17:09and over here is the son manuscript. Now
17:11the samuran do you notice there are no
17:13dots on it? Do you see any dots there?
17:15There should be a dots above and below
17:16the letters. Right now, you're an Arabic
17:18speaker, but you can read Arabic.
17:21>> Can you read that?
17:24>> Just the consonants. But you don't know
17:26what the words are, do you? Can you read
17:28this one here? Can you, Ali?
17:34A word here, a word there. That's about
17:36it.
17:40>> Yeah. See, he's going to take 10 my
17:42minutes right here to try and read the
17:43first line. And that's the problem. You
17:45really can't read that without the dots
17:47and vows. You need to have the dots and
17:49vowels. So today you now have 28
17:52letters. Those are the 28 letters in the
17:54modern day Arabic alphabet. But six of
17:56them don't require dots. The alf doesn't
17:59require dot. The cuff, the lamb, the
18:01mim, the nun, the ha, sorry, and the
18:03wow. Those six do not require. The other
18:0722 require dots. I'm going to give you
18:09the PowerPoint so you don't have to take
18:11pictures. You can have the whole
18:13PowerPoint.
18:14So here's the thing. There is a smiley
18:17face. Most letters have a undergard just
18:20like a a smiley face or a bowl shape.
18:24You put one dot, it becomes a na. Two
18:26dots, it becomes a ta. Three dots, it
18:28becomes a tha. One dot below becomes a
18:30ba. Two dots below becomes a ya.
18:34The five the five dots were created in
18:36the 8th and 9th century so they could
18:38start reading these letters. But as Ali
18:42said, in order to be able to have a
18:43pronunciation, you also need three
18:45vowels. There's the dama. It's a little
18:47curly ue to make the oo or the o sound.
18:49There's the kasa, a slash below the
18:51letter to make the e sound. And there's
18:52the fata at the top. That's the a sound
18:55that's above the letters. So one curly q
18:58and two slashes and you get then the
19:00three vowels. Now on top of that, when
19:02you look at three words, three letters
19:04put together, look at the differences.
19:07Just three words put together using
19:09different dots and different vowels. You
19:11get 19 different words,
19:1519 different words just by adding the
19:17dots and vows. That's the difficulty.
19:20That's why you needed the dots and vows.
19:22Now, here's the difficulty. In the 8th
19:24and 9th century, as they were putting
19:26these dots and vows together, different
19:28men, not women, but different men, your
19:31name is Huffs, okay? and you were living
19:34in Kufa and you decided to put your dots
19:36where you wanted to, right? I can't go
19:37to you because you're a woman, but
19:38you're a man. Uh, your name is W and you
19:41live in Cairo, right? Remember, you live
19:43in Cairo. You live in Kufa, right? And
19:45you were you put your dots and you never
19:47conferred with him. You decide to put
19:48your dots where you wanted to, right?
19:50Uh, and now you your name is Casai and
19:53you live in Kufa as well, but you never
19:54talked to him because you're on the
19:55other side of the city. So, you decide
19:57to put your dots where you want to,
19:58right? Uh, and you're Iben Kair, but you
20:00live in Medina or Mecca. And so you're
20:02in Arabia and you never talked to these
20:04guys. So you put your dots where you
20:05want to. And you're also in Medina. And
20:08suddenly you're decide to put your dots
20:10and you decide to put your dots and you
20:11decide to put your dots. Suddenly by the
20:1310th century we have 700 of you all of
20:15you decide to put your dots and vowels
20:17where you want to. And you never look at
20:18in each other's any others Qurans.
20:22700 different Qurans with dots and
20:25vowels anywhere.
20:27There was a crisis. So by the 10th
20:29century the cadiff chooses a man named
20:31Ib Mujahid. Ibn Mujahid was asked to
20:35then choose seven.
20:38So these are the seven that he chose and
20:40these are the most Muslims love because
20:42these are the kirats. These are the
20:44first seven.
20:47Nafi from Medina, Ibn Kir from Makkah,
20:49Abu Amar from Allah, Ibn Amir from
20:52Damascus, Aim from Kufa, Hamza from Kufa
20:55and Alkasai from Kufa. Notice these are
20:58the seven. Now when Muslims tell you
21:00about these seven, they say these are
21:01the seven that were the companions of
21:03the prophet and they received the seven
21:05different readings from the angel
21:08Gabriel while Muhammad was still living.
21:11So these are the seven there. Write down
21:13those readings. Look at their dates.
21:15When you look up on Wikipedia, you will
21:16see the names there, but you will not
21:18see the dates. I had to put the dates
21:20there. Muslims don't want you to see the
21:22dates. But take a look at when they
21:24died. 785, 738, 770, 736, 745, 772, 805.
21:32Did any of these men know Muhammad? Were
21:35they even living in the same century as
21:36Muhammad?
21:38Were they even from Mecca or Medina?
21:40Yes, two of them are. Can you see a
21:42difficulty here? These men live hundreds
21:45of years later, and none of them knew
21:47Muhammad. So, how do they know which
21:49were the seven that Gabriel gave to
21:51Muhammad?
21:53You've got to use the dates. But notice
21:55what's missing there. What's missing out
21:56of those seven?
21:58This is missing.
22:01This is the one that 93% of Muslims
22:03around the world memorize. This is your
22:06Quran. Huffsum.
22:09When did you die, sir?
22:12Oh, he doesn't like this now. It's
22:13getting pretty morbid for him. Shall I
22:16tell you your year? 796.
22:18You died in 796.
22:21Did he know Muhammad?
22:23And where did you come from? Kufa.
22:26That's right. So this is your Quran.
22:30This is the eternal Quran. This is the
22:32Quran that every Muslim is supposed to
22:33memorize now today. Is it on that list?
22:37It's not on that list. So you had
22:40another dilemma. So in the 12th century
22:43a guy named al- Shatabi
22:45because they needed some more Qurans
22:47because there were so many places so
22:49many parts around the world where people
22:50were memorizing other Qurans that he had
22:53to choose two disciples from every one
22:55of these seven. So he chose another 14
22:57and here they are kun Bazi Kumbal alsi
23:01and there you are huffs you are from the
23:05the you are from the stable of the
23:06family of a bim ab al- najud. Now, why
23:10were you chosen?
23:13See, this is what Muslims don't want you
23:14to answer. You were chosen because you
23:17had more students than anybody else.
23:20Why were you chosen?
23:23>> That's right. How did you know that?
23:28>> Is world.
23:29>> But you must have heard me say this
23:30before.
23:34>> Okay. And when did you die?
23:37>> No. 812. after all this. Caught you on
23:41that one.
23:43>> Nonetheless, you notice how did you make
23:46the list? You had no students
23:50cuz you lived in Cairo. They needed
23:52somebody from Cairo. So it had to do ge
23:55with geography. So when Al Shhatabi when
23:58he chose the 14 two students for every
24:01one of these seven he chose two from
24:03each in your stable in your family in an
24:07Asam there were 91 students. He chose
24:11two from 91 and the only reason he chose
24:14two of you guys which is Huffs and
24:17Shouba is because you had more students
24:19than anybody else and so did Shouba. So
24:22it would had to do with popularity.
24:24Shottabby didn't open up one book,
24:26didn't look at one page, didn't read one
24:28sentence. Is that how you choose textual
24:31criticism? Is that how we do with the
24:33Bible?
24:35Can you see how hopeless this is? So now
24:39by the 12th century, 1194, you now have
24:4214 + 7 21 different Qurans. That wasn't
24:46good enough. in the uh the 15th century
24:49in 1429 another man named Al Jazadi
24:52chose another three kerat and students
24:55two students from Erdi1 so that's
24:57another six so now you have a nine were
24:59chosen you add 7 + 21 + 3 + 9 and you
25:04get 30 different Qurans
25:06are you seeing this 30 completely
25:10different Qurans
25:13which is this one that's the one that
25:15was chosen today so How many differences
25:18are there? How many words and phrases
25:20are difference with the other 29 Qurans
25:22and this Quran? Anybody know?
25:25Anybody want to guess?
25:28>> You're almost there.
25:3193,000 differences, 93,000 different
25:35words, 93,000 different meanings. 93,000
25:39not only different meanings this also
25:42are 93,000 different theologies
25:44different doctrines and different
25:46practices how do we know well because of
25:49hatunach
25:50okay I want you to before we show this
25:53next video are you there Daniel okay
25:55hold on ready to do number B but before
25:57we show it let me give you some
25:58background
26:00my my colleague was asked to go down to
26:02Morocco to go and do some training down
26:05there now she's from Turkey so she
26:07doesn't speak Arabic and she wanted to
26:08see them with the missionaries there.
26:10She wanted to introduce them to the
26:12Quran. So she went into the nearest
26:14bookshop she could find and she says,
26:15"Could you give me an a Quran in
26:17Arabic?" And the man said, "Well, which
26:18Quran do you want?" She says, "What are
26:19you talking about?" "Well, I have Huffs
26:21over here. I have War over here. I have
26:22Koon over here. I have Sha over here.
26:24I've he named about five or six
26:26different Quran." She said, "Well, give
26:27them all to me. I'll take them back to
26:28Jay and let him look at them." So she
26:30brought them back to London and I
26:31started laughing. I had no idea that
26:34these Qurans still existed. I thought
26:36they'd all been thrown in the Nile in
26:371924, over 100 years, 100 years ago, and
26:41here you could buy them in Morocco. So,
26:44she said, "Well, how many are there?" I
26:45said, "Well, there should be about 30
26:46official ones. Why don't you go and see
26:48how many you could get?" So, she went to
26:50Morocco, she went out to uh she went to
26:53uh Yemen, she went up to Jordan, and
26:55anybody that was flying to those
26:57countries, she said, "I want I need this
26:58one. I need this one. I need this one."
26:59By 2016, she had found 26 of them. And
27:04this is what we did. We decide to show
27:06them down at Speaker's Corner. So, run
27:08the video. This is just a quick snippet
27:10of what happened.
27:12>> THERE IS ONLY ONE QURAN, RIGHT?
27:16>> AND THAT every in the world is the same.
27:20>> That's what you've been told.
27:22>> You have been told a lie.
27:27>> Okay. SO, THERE ARE TWO QURAN TODAY,
27:29RIGHT?
27:30>> MORE THAN TWO.
27:32>> MORE THAN TWO. THREE QURAN.
27:35MORE THAN THREE FOUR KURANS.
27:37>> THAT ADD UP TO 12 TO SIX OFF
27:41>> 26 DIFFERENT.
27:45So we held them up.
28:03>> You guys GET THESE.
28:06GET THESE CARS AND READ THEM. WE'RE JUST
28:09SHOWING YOU. OH, GO AHEAD. START
28:11THROWING THINGS UP. IT SAYS THEY WERE
28:13GOING TO
28:15Now we're showing THE DIFFERENCES
28:17BETWEEN THE OTHER
28:20VERSE BY VERSE BY VERSE
28:26and
28:28the difference BETWEEN
28:32it again.
28:39Read it again.
28:42Notice what's going to happen. But by
28:44THE TIME YOU GET
28:46>> THEY WERE KILLED
28:51with the beard.
28:55>> WHAT IS HE SAYING?
28:56>> COME HERE. LEAVE. Don't watch what
28:59they're showing you and don't listen to
29:01what they're saying.
29:05>> This is the first time anybody had shown
29:07these Qurans in public anywhere in the
29:09world. and we held them up for the whole
29:11world to see and we filmed everything.
29:13Now, Muhammad Hijab, who has a following
29:15of half a million, he is considered to
29:17be one of the world's leading authority
29:19on the Quran. He was at speaker's corner
29:21that day. He was there to confront us.
29:23He had no idea what was going to happen.
29:25He didn't know we were going to hold up
29:26these Qurans. He quickly went outside
29:28the crowd and asked all the Muslims to
29:30come to him. He says, "Do not show you
29:33what do not look at what they're showing
29:35you. Do not listen to what they're
29:37saying. I will explain it. I will
29:39explain it. Well folks, these are the 26
29:42Qurans that we showed that day. These
29:45are her 26 Qurans. Now she has all 30.
29:49In fact, she now has 37 of them. Do you
29:52notice they look the same on the
29:54outside? No two are alike.
29:58So let me give you some examples.
29:59Chapter 3 146. Katala in huffs on this
30:02side means fought. And how many a
30:04prophet fought with whom were many uh
30:07worshippers of the lord? On the right
30:09side says which means and how many
30:11prophets were killed with whom were many
30:14worshippers of the lord. So did the
30:16prophets simply fight or were they
30:17killed? If I were a prophet I would
30:19rather fight than be killed. Thank you.
30:20So you can see that changes the verse
30:22does it not. Here you have chapter 43 19
30:25Ibandu versus Inda. Are they slaves? Are
30:28they and are they to be made the angels
30:30are remated the slaves of the beneficent
30:33or are they in the presence of the
30:34beneficent? If I was an angel, I'd
30:36rather be in the presence rather than be
30:38a slave. Thank you. Here is Isan versus
30:42uh doing good or beauty and we have
30:46enjoined on men doing good to his
30:48parents. So are I have three sons. Are
30:50they doing good or are they beautiful?
30:51I'd rather they be doing good rather
30:53than be beautiful as a father. Here you
30:55have 98 ver chapter 98 verse6 you have
30:58biati versus biati
31:01indeed they who disbelieve among the
31:03believers people of the scripture and
31:05the polytheists will be in the fire of
31:07hell abiding eternally therein those are
31:09the worst of creatures according to
31:11huffs according to what it's they are
31:14the worst of the innocent are and this
31:16is about us folks are we Christians are
31:19we the worst of creatures or are we
31:20innocent and what are we doing in hell
31:22if we're innocent that not only has
31:24theological ical problem that has
31:26doctrinal problems but also as a
31:27Christian and has huge problems for me.
31:29So you can see these completely change
31:31the meaning. Now because of what
31:34happened there in 2016, Muhammad hijab
31:37decided to ask this man in 2020, June
31:398th, 2020. And he had a YouTube he had a
31:44YouTube interview, a live stream. I was
31:46told about it, so I decided to listen
31:48in. Uh so was David Wood. So was Hatas.
31:51We were all listening on to this. This
31:53is four years later. It's obvious that
31:54he didn't know how to deal with this
31:56because there was not just one Quran.
31:58there was 30 different Qurans. So he
32:00asked Yasar Khadi who is the world's
32:02leading authority on the Quran. He is
32:03from Houston, Texas. Uh he has he is a
32:06Huffis. He got his doctorate on the
32:08Quran on the Kirat at Yale University in
32:111995. So this is 2020. This is June the
32:158th. And the first thing he did is he
32:17said, I'm going to put out my hand here.
32:20This is a blank sheet of paper. Which
32:23Quran are you going to put in this hand?
32:24Which one is it? Is it Huffs? Is it
32:26Kaloon? which is the eternal Quran,
32:28which is the one that was revealed to
32:30Muhammad. Before he could finish,
32:32Jessica said, "Do not ask me that
32:34question. We do not talk about this in
32:36public. Turn off the camera.
32:40Ask me afterwards, but do not ask this
32:42question."
32:44He said, he continued, he said, "This
32:47has been the most difficult question for
32:49scholars since for the last thousand
32:51years. You do not tell new converts of
32:53Islam about the kirat. Only with the
32:56most advanced students do you do a deep
32:58dive on this issue. Scholars for the
33:01last thousand years have not been able
33:02to solve this problem. How can you say
33:04there's only one Quran, not one Quran,
33:07not one word, not one letter has changed
33:08and yet there are now 93,000 changes in
33:1230 different Qurans.
33:14Muslims have a respect for the Quran. He
33:16said and he says there's we put a line
33:18we put a red line here and we don't go
33:20beyond that red line. We have a respect
33:22for the Quran. But when I was at Yale
33:25University, there is no line. You can
33:26ask any question you want at Yale
33:28University. Muhammad Hijab said, "So you
33:30went through a crisis of faith?" No, not
33:32a crisis of faith. A crisis of
33:34knowledge, he said. And he then he
33:37turned to Muhammad Hijab and he said,
33:38"You from the east, isn't it
33:39interesting? Muhammad Hijab lives in
33:41London. He lives in Houston. You in the
33:44east, your standard narrative has holes
33:47in it." Oo, I love that. And we ran with
33:49it because what standard narrative?
33:51Standard Islamic narrative. So we're
33:53using his own very own words, s i n. Sin
33:56has holes in it, folks. Yes, it does.
33:59The standard Islamic narrative has holes
34:01in it. He said, "Western academics have
34:03jumped leaps and bound in this issue in
34:05the last hundred years. They look at the
34:07rest of us Muslims who are making these
34:08claims like the emperor with no
34:10clothes." He says, "I've never lectured
34:12on this subject, nor ever will in the
34:14last 25 years since I got my doctorate.
34:16This should subject should never be
34:18brought up in public. Don't ask me to
34:21say what should be written on the blank.
34:23when again was asked finally after 28
34:25minutes after 28 minutes he put his hand
34:28out there and says llam one last time
34:29you've got to give me an answer which
34:31Quran is it is it huffs is it w is it
34:36koon is it kasai
34:39finally yas kari said it's all of them
34:42you mix them all up a little bit of
34:44huffs a little bit of wash you just mix
34:46them around I started clapping
34:50see just doesn't know what we know there
34:53are 93,000 differences. He just shut
34:56down the Quran. Within two weeks, they
35:00had this on both of their YouTube site.
35:02Within two weeks, there were hundreds
35:04upon hundreds of comments. That's what I
35:06love about YouTube. And m hundreds of
35:08Muslims were writing, I have now left
35:10Islam. I have now left Islam. You and my
35:13blood is going to be on your shoulders
35:14because you have told us for years that
35:16there's not one word, not one letter,
35:18that the Quran is preserved, that it is
35:20eternal. And now you're saying that
35:21there are 30 different Qurans. No two
35:23are alike.
35:26After two weeks, they had to shut down
35:27all of the they had to stop all the
35:29comments. Within two months, they had to
35:33delete both that interview from both
35:35their sites. But I've got it.
35:38So does David Wood. So does I've got it
35:40right in that computer. If you want it,
35:41I give it to you. We've got this. We
35:44keep it. And every June 8th, I bring it
35:46back up again. I'd make a review of what
35:48happened back in 2020. I let the whole
35:51world know. Yaser Khadi and Muhammad
35:54Hijad threw the Quran under the bus and
35:56they had no idea we were watching. This
35:59is indeed the most difficult question
36:01for Muslims. You cannot have 30
36:03different Qurans in Arabic. None of
36:05these are translations. These are all
36:07Arabic Qurans. They're all over a
36:09thousand years old. So, what about the
36:11earliest Quranic manuscripts? We talked
36:13about the six major manuscripts. These
36:15are the only manuscripts they have.
36:17These are the only ones they have in
36:19existence. These are the earliest six.
36:21These are the ones I debated at Toronto
36:23back in 2014. And this is what causes me
36:26so much problem why I can't get through
36:28your airport because of these
36:29manuscripts. That's the top copy on the
36:31left there. That's the best one they've
36:33got. That is about 99% of the Quran is
36:36in the top copy museum there in
36:37Istanbul. It has 2,270
36:40manuscript variants. That means 2,270
36:43words that do not agree with the Quran
36:44we have today. It is dated to the late
36:47through the mid 8th century. We're just
36:49going to come out with a book in August
36:50that's going to put it to the 9th
36:52century. Folks, this has nothing to do
36:54with Muhammad. It has nothing to do with
36:55um man. Here is the manuscript which is
36:58in Tashkan in Usbekistan. It only goes
37:01up to chapter 43. There's 114 chapters
37:03in the Quran. This one is full of
37:06manuscript variants. Even within those
37:0843 chapters, 16 of those chapters don't
37:11even exist. Only one chapter is
37:13complete. There are hundreds, thousands
37:15of manuscarians. It has so many
37:17grammatical errors because whoever wrote
37:19it didn't know their Arabic very well
37:21that Muslims no longer ask you to read
37:23it. It is so embarrassing. The Michael
37:25Quran on the left there is in the
37:26British Library at the Ridback Gallery.
37:29That's the one that we use all the time.
37:31That is written in a much archaic text.
37:33It's known as a Mel Quran because it's a
37:35slanted text. It is if you look at it,
37:37it is dated to the late 8th century. It
37:41also only goes up to chapter 43. The one
37:43on the right is the Petropolitan that is
37:45in the bibliotechnel in Pahi. That is
37:48the French that is the one that was
37:50controlled by the French by France Dross
37:52the world's leading scholar. That is
37:54only 22% of the Quran. And even within
37:56that 22% there are 93 manuscript
37:59variants. It is dated to the mid 8th
38:01century. The one on the left is the
38:03Husani manuscript. It's probably the
38:05most damaging of all the manuscripts. It
38:07is what he call a monumental text. It's
38:09there in Cairo in Egypt. It is dated
38:11from the 9th century. It has hundreds
38:13upon hundreds of coverings where they
38:15have censored the text. Censored the
38:17text. We'll show you examples of that
38:19later. In fact, you can even see one of
38:20the pages there that's covered. And this
38:22is the most exciting one here. This is
38:23the Sana manuscript discovered in 1975
38:26in the there in the Sana mosque. And
38:29when they opened it up, they could not
38:30read it because they had no dots and
38:32vows. So they brought f five scholars
38:34from Germany to read it. Dr. Garrett
38:36Pin, Dr. Oleg, Dr. Von Bosmer was flown
38:39down there in 1981. They immediately
38:41took pictures of it because they were
38:42the only ones that could read it and
38:44they realized that this is not the same
38:45Quran we have today. Now on the right
38:47side is of one text. On the left side is
38:50a is a different text. You see there's
38:51two different scripts between those two
38:53pages. on this side over here. When you
38:56get down to the yellow mark right there,
38:57that is surah 19. This is surah 22.
39:00Where's surah 20-21? Surah 20 begins
39:02here in a completely different script.
39:04There's 60 years between these two
39:06scripts. 60 years. This is dated to 705.
39:10That is dated to the late 8th century.
39:12Take a look at every one of those orange
39:13marks and yellow marks. Every time you
39:15see an orange mark, that is a manuscript
39:17variant. That means a word or a phrase
39:19that is different in that manuscript.
39:20There's over a thousand of these
39:22manuscript variants in just this
39:24manuscript, folks. Summary of the
39:26manuscript findings. None of these
39:28manuscripts are from the seventh
39:29century. None of them are complete. None
39:31of them completely agree with each
39:32other. None of them completely agree
39:34with the current 1924 Huffs texts. All
39:36of them have hundreds and even thousands
39:38of subsequent manuscript variants. So
39:40when was the Quran complete? Where is
39:43that first Quran? Could we have recently
39:45discovered the oldest example? Muslims
39:48in 2015 came out with this manuscript.
39:50Well, no, sorry. This was actually 1975.
39:53When they looked at the Son manuscript,
39:54they saw that it had a writing
39:56underneath. This is called a polomis.
39:58So, there's a writing underneath and a
40:00writing on top. Why? These are written
40:02on animal skins and you can wash it off
40:04and then write over top. And this is
40:05what has happened here. When you do
40:07that, you can't see the under text. But
40:09hundreds of years later, the ink starts
40:12to bleed through. And so, you could see
40:13there's a bleeding over there. And so
40:15they decided to put this under
40:16ultraviolet light. Right? When they put
40:18it under ultraviolet light in Columbia
40:20University and also in Germany, this is
40:24what they found. They found 63 verses in
40:27the lower text with 70 variants. 25
40:30times verbs and nouns and articles and
40:33participles and conjunctions were no
40:35longer there. 29 times isolated letters
40:37and prepositions and expressions were
40:39different. 16 times entire sentences
40:41were different. Asma says, "Well, this
40:43is the reason for this is because this
40:45is a school text. These are students
40:47that didn't know what they were doing.
40:48Therefore, they were just writing and
40:50they had to be washed off and written
40:51over top by the professor. You do not
40:54give students animal skins. They are the
40:56most expensive things. If you want an
40:58animal skin, you have to pay hundreds of
40:59dollars. You don't do that. This is a
41:01nent text." So, Dr. Elizabeth Penn out
41:04of Germany who is the leading scholar on
41:06this said no this is a nent Quran that
41:09had to be changed because the Quran was
41:10changed between 6 7 uh 690 and 705
41:16and then in 2015 this Quran was found
41:19this is the manuscript that Muslims
41:20claim is that written at the same time
41:22as Muhammad because it's dated by carbon
41:24dating between 568 and 645 which is
41:27roughly the time of Muhammad's life. He
41:29was born in 570 and died in 632. Here's
41:33the problem. It is from that date. I
41:35have no difficulty with that. But take a
41:36look at what it's made of. This is not a
41:38manuscript. This is only two folios, two
41:41pages front and back. There are only 63
41:43verses here out of 6,236 verses of the
41:46Quran. So this is not the complete
41:48Quran. Out of 343 verses in these three
41:51chapters. So when you look at them,
41:53notice chapter 18 17-31. It's a story
41:57about the seven sleepers. This has
41:58nothing to do with Islam. It has nothing
42:00to do with anything to do with uh
42:03Muslims. It is a really it is a it is a
42:07fable that comes from Turkey written in
42:1152180. So this predates the Quran here
42:15in chapter 19 91 to98 is a Syriak
42:18Christian and rabbitic apocryphal
42:20account called the protoeangelium of
42:22James written in 145. So this is from
42:24the second century. Do you notice this
42:26all predates the Quran? And then chapter
42:2820 verse 1-40 is the biblical story of
42:31Moses which comes straight out of the
42:33Bible from 1400 BC. So what do we do?
42:36How do we conclude? These folios are
42:38pre-Qoronic, pre- Muhammad and thus
42:40pre-Islamic written by Christians, Jews
42:42and secular Arab writers and then simply
42:45borrowed by the later Muslims for their
42:47own revelations in the 8th and 10th
42:48century. That's why they are not even
42:50together in the same place in the Quran
42:52we have today. you will find, and we're
42:54going to get to that, that almost all of
42:55the Quran has been borrowed from other
42:57sources. And if you borrow it, that
42:59means they pre-exist, right? Otherwise,
43:01how can they be borrowed? Dan Brewbaker
43:03then came out with this book. In fact,
43:04do I have it here? If someone could go
43:06get it, it's on the table over there.
43:08Thanks for running. It's if you could
43:10bring Dan Brewaker's book. Dan Brewaker
43:13is a good friend of mine. He is the
43:14first one in the world to actually look
43:16at the earliest manuscripts. He looked
43:18at the top copies manil he looked at all
43:20of the major manuscripts and he did his
43:22doctoral thesis in 2000 by 2014 he had
43:26found 800 manuscript variants in just
43:29these are not dots these are not vowels
43:31these are continental differences and so
43:34he decided to publish it I was I use his
43:37material in the debate with Dr. Shabir
43:39Ali in 2014. It was not till 2019 that
43:44he had done another five years of
43:46research and he came up with 4,000
43:49changes. Not 800, but 4,000. So he
43:52decided to write 22 of them in this book
43:54here. Though it says 20, there's
43:56actually two extra because I asked him
43:57to do two extra there for my sake. This
44:00book has found the probably the most
44:02damaging of all the manuscripts on an
44:05academic level because notice if you see
44:07there you can see that there are
44:08insertions. There's an insertion. Here's
44:10an insertion above the line. Here you
44:12can see another insertion above the line
44:13here. These are all insertions. Sorry
44:15over there. There's an insertion between
44:17the line. He found hundreds of
44:19post-production insertions. He found
44:21words that have erased. You notice
44:23there's an eraser. There's an eraser.
44:25There's an eraser. We don't know what
44:26was there beforehand. But what was left
44:28behind? And what was not erased now
44:30supports the Huff's text. Here's the
44:32Huff text. Notice he notice found that
44:36many of them, sorry I'm hitting the
44:37wrong button. Many of them are have
44:39erasers overwritten. So here you can see
44:41an entire word has been erased off and
44:45you have three letters. Caf lamb over
44:47here that have been written over top of
44:49it. Here you can see they done it in a
44:50completely different ink. Over there you
44:52can see another word where just a few
44:54letters have been replacing it. Then he
44:56found overwriting with erasers. Here
44:58they just overwritt without even erasing
45:00it. They just wrote it over. In fact,
45:02look at this. They have whole lines that
45:03are written over top. And every time
45:06they changed it, they inserted it or
45:08they erased it or they overrid it. They
45:10are now standardized in the text so it
45:13agrees with this manuscript here. Folks,
45:15can you see this is huge censorship of
45:17the Quran over and over again. Here is
45:19ma primarily from the uh the Husani
45:22manuscript that it's in Cairo. And you
45:24notice there's an eraser. There's an
45:25eraser. at 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 eight different
45:30erasers on one page. What's left behind
45:33just looks like chicken scratches,
45:34doesn't it? Yet what's left behind now
45:37agrees with the Huff's text. The same
45:39way over here you can see an eraser down
45:41here, eraser up here. You can see an
45:42eraser there, an eraser there. Every
45:44time, sorry, every not covering. These
45:46aren't erasers. These are covering.
45:47They're covering with papers. They're
45:48covering it to censor it so that it can
45:50be standardized to the present text we
45:53use today. Here they are covering it and
45:55they're overwriting it. So you can see
45:57where they've covered it there an entire
45:58line and they just written some words.
45:59Here's another covering with a word
46:01tipping over top. Here's another one.
46:03There's another one. There's another
46:04one. Here's another one down here. And
46:06then they have tapings where they tape
46:08it. This has nothing to do with damaged
46:10material. If you look on the back,
46:11there's no damage. This is straight
46:13censorship. So we decided to go down to
46:16speaker's corner and actually introduce
46:17this. So um I wanted to introduce this
46:20book and a guy named uh Mansoman who is
46:24the leading authority on the manuscript
46:25who's on my right here. He decided to
46:27confront me. If you could run now uh the
46:29video number C.
46:33>> Our Quran that we read today has a
46:36continuous textual tradition in our
46:38manuscript traditions.
46:40>> Continual textual tradition. You hear
46:43that?
46:43>> The Quran when we examine the manuscript
46:46traditions
46:48by those isolated
46:51errors, tribal errors. We have a robust
46:55tradition morally and by WRITTEN FORM
46:59THAT THE QURAN WE READ TODAY is the
47:01Quran that HAS BEEN TRANSMITTED BY OUR
47:04GENERATIONS of Muslims from day one from
47:07the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
47:08>> Okay, real quickly, VERY QUICKLY BEFORE
47:11YOU LEAVE, HOW FAR DOES THAT TRADITION
47:14GO BACK TO? THAT IS WHY
47:16>> HOW FAR DOES THAT TRADITION GO BACK TO
47:18>> absolute certainty of our textual and
47:22oral tradition of the Quran? BECAUSE NOT
47:26>> AH DID YOU SEE HE'S SAYING TEXTUAL AND
47:30ORAL?
47:30>> IT IS ALSO
47:31>> DO YOU HAVE A TEXTUAL TRADITION THAT
47:33GOES BACK TO 652?
47:36>> DO YOU HAVE A TEXTUAL TRADITION THAT
47:38GOES BACK TO 652?
47:40>> Yes sir.
47:40>> Yes or no?
47:41>> ANY TEXTUAL
47:42>> DOES YOU HAVE A TEXTUAL ALL THE WAY BACK
47:44TO
47:45>> LISTEN? Any text of the Quran that you
47:47examine? Any text? SO WHEN WE EXAMINE
47:51THE QURAN IN THE MANUSCRIPT TRADITIONS,
47:53we have almost quarter of a million
47:57manuscripts of the Quran across the
48:00world in libraries.
48:02>> YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION. DO
48:04THEY GO BACK TO DO THEY GO BACK TO 652?
48:07>> YOU'RE NOT INTERRUPTING WHAT I'M
48:08SPEAKING.
48:09>> We'll answer the question.
48:11So we have from our textual tradition
48:15alone more than 99% of the Quranic text
48:19from the first Islamic century.
48:21>> OKAY. TELL EXPLAIN WHEN THE FIRST
48:23ISLAMIC CENTURY GOES TO IT GOES FROM
48:256622
48:27up to 721. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
48:308TH CENTURY. AM I CORRECT?
48:31>> IF YOU GO TO islamicawareness.org
48:34or in which we have tabulated and shown
48:38Quranic manuscripts all around the world
48:41with references
48:43which ones are carbon dated which ones
48:46are pographically dated you will see the
48:50amount of first century within Islam
48:53first century Islam the Quranic
48:54manuscript that we have you have zero
48:58>> none of them are safe OKAY HERE WE GO
49:01HAVE YOU HEARD THE CLAIM HE HAS MADE
49:04MONSOON,
49:05>> DO YOU HAVE 114 SURAS OF THE QURAN in
49:09one manuscript that is from the mid-7th
49:12century? Yes or no?
49:14>> NO.
49:15>> DO YOU HAVE A COMPLETE QURAN FROM THE
49:18TIME OF UTMAN 114 suras in our hands
49:21today that we can look at?
49:26>> DO YOU WANT AN ANSWER
49:28>> OR DO YOU WANT HIM TO WAFFLE ON?
49:31>> NO, you don't.
49:33at the moment.
49:38>> He must be a Christian, right?
49:42>> This is CALLED WAFFLING.
49:43>> DO YOU WANT [screaming] AN ANSWER TO
49:45THIS?
49:46>> OKAY, LET'S CONTINUE ON. HIS ANSWER IS
49:49NO. THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT. DO YOU HAVE A
49:52COMPLETE QURAN FROM THE 7TH CENTURY AT
49:55ALL? SO NOTICE I STARTED WITH 652.
49:59Now I'm going to SEVENTH CENTURY CENTURY
50:01THAT MUHAMMAD LIVED one from the seventh
50:03century
50:05>> from the first century OF ISLAM.
50:08>> THE FIRST CENTURY GOES UP TO 721. THAT'S
50:11THE 8TH CENTURY. SO YOUR ANSWER IS 8TH
50:13CENTURY.
50:15>> DO YOU HAVE A COMPLETE QURAN BY THE 721?
50:18>> So number three giving him up to 721.
50:22notice
50:23>> who is demanding a complete Quran from
50:26>> you know the answer in the question is
50:28yes or no
50:30let me respond to you in kind right
50:34>> if you examine the manuscript traditions
50:38of
50:39>> JEWISH SCRIPTURE
50:40>> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JEWISH SCRIPTURE
50:42NOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JEWISH
50:44SCRIPTURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT QURANIC
50:47SCRIPTURE BECAUSE WE DON'T MAKE THIS
50:49CLAIM
50:50>> ONLY THE MUSLIMS MAKE THIS CLAIM.
50:53>> IT IS THE MUSLIM THAT JUST NOW SAID THAT
50:56WE CAN GO BACK TO THE FIRST CENTURY OF
50:58ISLAM. THAT'S AH, which goes from 622 TO
51:02721 AND THAT WE CAN FIND A COMPLETE
51:05MANUSCRIPT. Tell me where? GIVE ME THE
51:07NAME.
51:07>> DID I NOT SAY? Of course, you did not
51:10listen to what I'm saying. THAT'S WHY
51:11YOU NEED TO
51:12>> OH, YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT NOW. SO,
51:13YOU DON'T HAVE A MANUSCRIPT?
51:15>> DID I?
51:16>> DO YOU HAVE A COMPLETE MANUSCRIPT IN THE
51:18FIRST CENTURY OF ISLAM? DON'T STOP
51:21chicken
51:23not
51:26cover.
51:27>> We have more than 97
51:31>> of the text of the Quran.
51:36>> That's all I NEED TO HEAR. NOW DID YOU
51:39NOTICE HE CANNOT CLAIM A COMPLETE
51:41MANUSCRIPT? HE CANNOT CLAIM BECAUSE
51:43THERE IS NO COMPLETE MANUSCRIPT. HE
51:46WANTS TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE FIRST
51:47CENTURY. AH AGE. WHAT HE'S NOT TELLING
51:50YOU IS THAT ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE
51:52MANUSCRIPTS ARE FROM THE 8TH AND 9TH
51:54CENTURY. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY ARE
51:57THE EARLIEST MANUSCRIPTS. THERE IS
52:00NOTHING EARLIER THAN THE PETROPOLANDIS.
52:02THERE IS NOTHING EARLIER THAN THE TOP
52:04COPY. THERE IS NOTHING EARLIER THAN THE
52:07SA MANUSCRIPT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE
52:09MANUSCRIPTS, HOW MANY VARIANTS do we
52:12have? Go ahead, Mansula. Give us the
52:15number that Dan has found. WE'VE BEEN
52:17ASKING NOW FOR ONE HALF HOUR.
52:18>> This will go on for another half hour.
52:20Now, can you see what we've done? I
52:22hammered him on three areas because he
52:24is the one that made the crime. That's
52:25why Muslim will make this claim that we
52:28can trace the textual lineage right back
52:30to Muhammad. And he could not give me
52:33any manuscript. He said 96. Finally, he
52:36started with 99. He got it to 96% of the
52:39Quran by the first century. AH. I said
52:42721. The first century ends in 719. I
52:45gave him two extra years. What is he
52:47talking about? This is what he's talking
52:48about. This is on his website, the
52:50YouTube site, sorry, website from
52:52Cambridge University. He is looking at
52:55these manuscripts. Notice there's 63 of
52:58them
53:00all the way down. None of these are
53:01complete. They have to get 63. Most of
53:04them are little fragments down here to
53:07get 96% of the Quran by 719.
53:13Is that so?
53:15Have any of you studied these
53:17manuscripts? The biggest one is the m is
53:20the topka sorry the m that's the 2165
53:23that's the one that's in the British
53:24library and that's 50% that they need to
53:26get 50%. All the rest of these make up
53:28the other 50%. So we decided to go and
53:31see if this is correct. And this is what
53:33we found.
53:3620 of these are tentatively dated. Those
53:39are the ones that are going up right now
53:40with with the uh the greens the green
53:43arrows and that means that there's
53:45disagreements between the scholars. So
53:47we have no idea that he should not have
53:50used those 20. Nine of them the ones in
53:53blue including the top one the very top
53:56one that is 50% that he needs are all
53:58dated after 719. In fact the mile is set
54:02dated to 790 the end of the 8th century.
54:05And what about the other 34? No one's
54:08done any work on any of them. So, how do
54:10they even know about this? They've
54:12needed them because they needed to come
54:14with 96%. So, they grabbed a little bit
54:16from here, grabbed a little bit from
54:17there. Just like the kid, they took a
54:19little from here, took a little from
54:20there, and they came up with 96. They
54:22didn't think that anybody would hold
54:24them responsible. We held them
54:26responsible. We've shut this all down in
54:28just the last three years. None of them
54:31are really valid since all of them are
54:33either later or tentatively dated and
54:35have no supporting evidence. So when in
54:37the world did this book come into being.
54:39How was this chosen? This was chosen in
54:42Cairo in 1924 because they were having
54:45high school students who were coming to
54:47the classes writing standardized tests
54:49and they were all coming up with 30
54:51different answers. So they went to
54:53Muhammad al-Husani Al-Had who is a
54:55scholar there in Alazar University and
54:58they asked him to choose one and he
54:59chose this one right here. This is the
55:01Huffex. This is yours written in 796
55:04when you died. And obviously that's the
55:06late 8th century. What did they do with
55:08the other 29? They took them out into a
55:11boat out into the Nile and they dumped
55:13into the Nile hoping that would get rid
55:15of them. Now between 1924 and 1936 there
55:20were so many problems with the Huffix
55:22that they had to revise it seven times.
55:24We have got all of those seven
55:26revisions. Hutun has all seven of them.
55:29That's why they're trying to kill her
55:30folks. So in 1936 the Egypt then decided
55:34to make the Huffs text for the entire
55:36country just of Egypt and is known as
55:39the Focadish. The Saudi Arabians saw how
55:42successful that was. So in 1985 they
55:44decided to make the Huffs text the
55:46universal text for all of Muslims all
55:48over the world. How many people were
55:50living in 1985? Raise your hands. Those
55:53of you raising your hands, you're pretty
55:54old. You're older than the canonical
55:56text. Doesn't that make you feel old?
56:00It's only 39 years old. Now we come to
56:04what is in the Quran. Now this is by far
56:06the most devastating material. In 1970,
56:09that man there, Galuling, a friend of
56:10mine, did his doctoral research there in
56:14in Germany. And he is not only an
56:16Arabist, he's also a scholar in Syriak.
56:20And he noticed that these beautiful
56:21poetry that's in the Quran. He said,
56:24"These are gorgeous, but I've seen them
56:26before." So he decided to take the dots
56:28off that we were talking about and
56:30started put dots on. And by doing that
56:33he was able to reproduce this beautiful
56:36poetry.

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