Domestic Violence Double Standards | Harry Crouch | Outtakes from "The Red Pill" — Transcript
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- 0:05[Music]
- 0:14the book this is a book called
- 0:21understanding social problems and it was
- 0:25him we had one of our women's race guys
- 0:28on the East Coast he was taking college
- 0:30class and he got really upset
- 0:32this was the textbook and he wanted us
- 0:35to do something about it okay we'll take
- 0:37on an educational system next week right
- 0:40anyway so I ordered up the book okay
- 0:43let's see what he's talking about very
- 0:46interesting stuff so this is I'm not
- 0:49sure if it's a social studies class or
- 0:51an anthropology anthropology class but
- 0:53something like that okay understanding
- 0:55social problems and it's interesting
- 0:58they have a section in here in domestic
- 1:00violence and it'll partner violence and
- 1:01abuse and it's one of our issues hotspot
- 1:04issues and so let's just go through a
- 1:07few things okay there's globally one
- 1:10woman in every three has been subjected
- 1:11to violence at an apartment in intimate
- 1:14relationship from the United Nations
- 1:16Development Program mm well one in three
- 1:22that means that every two girlfriends
- 1:25you know you know when that's been
- 1:26abused right I don't you don't and maybe
- 1:32they don't talk about it what a surprise
- 1:34hmm actually it probably didn't happen
- 1:38just like it didn't happen one in six
- 1:40men they're abused it they expand the
- 1:43definition
- 1:43hmm well they don't talk about here is
- 1:47what's the definition of abuse mm-hmm so
- 1:50but it leaves you with the impression
- 1:51what's your impression like somebody got
- 1:54beat up right mm-hmm badly made me put
- 1:56in the hospital maybe perhaps right
- 1:58mm-hmm well talk about well maybe the
- 2:00definition of abuse includes though
- 2:03being screamed at ones
- 2:07love you I'm Glenn and scream at men
- 2:11okay but it's not discussed was the
- 2:14impression leaves correct okay in the
- 2:17United States most acts of intimate
- 2:18partner violence parenthesis 85 percent
- 2:21of committed against women what what any
- 2:24five percent a committee this books 2011
- 2:27how can that be how can it possibly be
- 2:31that this is in this book when that has
- 2:33been disproven more times than I've
- 2:35climbed those steps going out to the
- 2:38parking lot how can this be when the
- 2:42evidence is so easy to find how can this
- 2:45be when dr. Martin fever district
- 2:49compiled the bibliography the biggest
- 2:51bibliography in the world of scientific
- 2:53research about abused men which shows
- 2:55this is not true how can this possibly
- 2:57be when there's no evidence based that
- 3:01on the internet available to everybody
- 3:04project by John Hummel and some the
- 3:06leading researchers in the entire world
- 3:08on domestic violence has compiled the
- 3:10biggest composite research on DV
- 3:13anywhere on the planet which shows this
- 3:15is not even close to being true how can
- 3:17it be this is in a book 2011 how can it
- 3:22be so what's the motivation however 23%
- 3:28of men have experienced physical sexual
- 3:30or psychological interpersonal
- 3:32interpersonal violence compared the 21
- 3:359% it was women excuse me where'd that
- 3:40come from
- 3:40I've never even heard that number
- 3:42anywhere mm-hmm I mean I'm on the DV
- 3:45council I mean I've been doing this
- 3:46stuff for a long time I've never heard
- 3:47this anywhere where'd it come from comes
- 3:50from National Center in injury
- 3:51prevention and control 2006 Wow
- 3:54do you realize if you went to the CDC
- 3:56this is very interesting I can remember
- 3:57in terms of this book to a few years ago
- 4:01I wish I could find this yes I got some
- 4:03email and it was one of the like the
- 4:05famous majority or something list and
- 4:08when women said we have to get control
- 4:10the CDC we have to get control of CDC
- 4:12and of course I just passed the flaked
- 4:15it out didn't thinking
- 4:16Adame what it was and I haven't been
- 4:19able to find the email but if you went
- 4:21the CDC website three years ago you will
- 4:24find charts that show about who commits
- 4:28most of child abuse and it's you guys
- 4:30not us really well we're not even close
- 4:33mothers what makes sense if you think
- 4:36about it you know then we've got
- 4:38fatherless homes and just make sense
- 4:40right but the safest place for kids are
- 4:43in a home with their biological father
- 4:44that's the safest place for a kid
- 4:46also safest place for the mother
- 4:49although the feminist bill would have II
- 4:51believe it's the most dangerous place
- 4:53men were football Sunday mmm you've
- 4:55heard that one most dangerous place to
- 4:57be is a woman in their own home on foot
- 5:01bolts on Super Bowl Sunday
- 5:02that was a Sheila Kuehl myth it's been
- 5:04dispelled by christina hoff sommers and
- 5:06every times why it's just lies one well
- 5:09one lie after another one missing said
- 5:11when the exaggeration after night when
- 5:14women saw their male partners these
- 5:16assaults tend to be actor retaliation of
- 5:18source of stuff to fit what self-defense
- 5:22that's been disproven so many times like
- 5:24that once again the stair analogy i mean
- 5:26it's that's absolute garbage absolute
- 5:30garbage well most women get seriously
- 5:33injured in domestic violence situations
- 5:34when they attack the mail first hmm
- 5:38fact okay that's just keeps going on and
- 5:43on and on through the whole book okay or
- 5:45through this whole section now
- 5:47understand that this is for young
- 5:49college kids so this is what we're
- 5:52teaching them in school and why would
- 5:54you have any reason to disbelieve your
- 5:56instructor right okay I figured this was
- 5:59gonna happen I read this I didn't have a
- 6:00big problem with it but then I got over
- 6:02here and this was kind of interesting
- 6:05the effects of intimate partner violence
- 6:08and abuse each year in the partner
- 6:10violence results of about 2 million
- 6:11injuries and 1,300 death nationwide
- 6:14really how come we're not talking about
- 6:18men and women anywhere we're just
- 6:21talking about death more than 3/4 of the
- 6:23murder victims killed by the inner
- 6:24partner are women hmm
- 6:27how many is that by the way I gotta tell
- 6:29you that very many matter of fact in our
- 6:33society with three hundred and thirty
- 6:34seven million people in United States of
- 6:36America there's only about 1400 violent
- 6:38deaths criminal violent deaths of women
- 6:41a year hmm for all reasons horrible but
- 6:47not significantly huge right so this
- 6:52goes on and on and on and then what gets
- 6:54down here battering also interferes with
- 6:56women's employment Wow doesn't interfere
- 6:58with men's employment right I mean if
- 7:02you were a battered man do you think you
- 7:04would you go to work every day and they
- 7:07makes fine it's no problem coming home
- 7:09some abusers prohibit their partners
- 7:11from work really yeah that's true other
- 7:13abuse deliberately undermine women's
- 7:16employment by depriving them of
- 7:17transport just women just women I guess
- 7:21that never happens to a guy harassing
- 7:23that guy never gets harassed at work
- 7:25turning off alarm call that serious
- 7:27turning off a wall clocks making them
- 7:29late meeting them before a job interview
- 7:30but only women their happiness to a guy
- 7:39most people would not even pick this up
- 7:42I see the significance I think somebody
- 7:48mentioned the word brainwashing early on
- 7:51how subtle can it get so then I say
- 7:56what's the motivation who are the
- 7:59editors of this book who had to approve
- 8:03these passages wouldn't that make an
- 8:08interesting film I don't have a clue I
- 8:13really don't have a clue but certainly
- 8:16somebody controlled this text it is
- 8:21written it is written as if it were
- 8:24written by a radical feminist or
- 8:27somebody on the San Diego domestic
- 8:29violence council perhaps you know
- 8:31there's no difference in this whole
- 8:32passage really toward men as if they'd
- 8:34simply don't count
- 8:36I usually when a passage in here it
- 8:39talks
- 8:40how about there are shelters for women
- 8:43and children nah man that's accurate
- 8:51yeah doesn't make any sense to you guys
- 8:54thank you it does that you understand
- 8:56this to wait at me you have to
- 8:58understand though that you know I've
- 9:00grown up with the feminist ideology in
- 9:03all my books yeah and I am just the
- 9:06point and I'm a woman and the largest
- 9:10group of feminists are women my age it's
- 9:13a growing movement because of the young
- 9:15women's movement oh that's interesting
- 9:17when any you know majority isn't in
- 9:20younger generations it's a growing
- 9:22movement so it's very difficult for me
- 9:26to wrap my brain around this because you
- 9:29know that's the book book I would be
- 9:31ready
- 9:31exactly so just give me a second cuz I'm
- 9:37overwhelmed with how much information
- 9:39you just kick I mean I would if I were
- 9:41you I'd be so pissed about being lied to
- 9:43I would be so angry I couldn't even like
- 9:46that would be totally beside myself you
- 9:49know and I don't want my children my
- 9:51grandchildren to learn this crap because
- 9:54that's exactly what it is and
- 9:57unfortunately it comes from well-meaning
- 9:58people you know I can remember a couple
- 10:01of times standing over a domestic
- 10:02violence counselor I used to go wearing
- 10:04my t-shirts a feminist lies make bad
- 10:06laws it man they'd look at me like oh my
- 10:08god you're hairy again oh my god you
- 10:11know I'd wear this when prosecute false
- 10:13accusers there we had a situation when
- 10:16they first opened up the Family Justice
- 10:17Center they had a 40-hour volunteer
- 10:19training that was gonna go volunteer
- 10:20right yeah I'm pretty good at working
- 10:22with people I've interviewed thousands
- 10:23I've only not help them and so I'd wear
- 10:26my t-shirts
- 10:27Gail's Trek came in you know she's
- 10:29teaches one of the law schools and she
- 10:31was a big mucky-muck in a TV world TV
- 10:32industry one day she comes through with
- 10:35a group of judges from Czechoslovakia
- 10:39all women except one guy and there's
- 10:44like 12 us in this training she herds
- 10:46them all in to show him the new Family
- 10:47Justice that was beautiful facility
- 10:50she goes around the world room
- 10:52introducing everybody and every time she
- 10:53gets to me she skips me
- 10:56and she finally gets it she can't go
- 10:59anywhere I'm the last guy and so she's
- 11:01gonna saying this is this is this is
- 11:05this is Harry Crouch he's what he's with
- 11:10this national he's a men's rights
- 11:12advocate and she can barely get it out
- 11:15and all of a sudden from the middle is
- 11:18group this guy stands up on his tippy
- 11:21toes in his arm shoes like this is the
- 11:24Pete's and he goes right Jess
- 11:28yes the room just cracked out the point
- 11:32I'm trying to make here I went to lunch
- 11:35with the women because they knew they
- 11:39knew women could be abusive all by
- 11:42themselves if I went to lunch for the
- 11:45guys I was shunned why is it with you
- 11:51Harry
- 11:52bad-mouthing women you know women aren't
- 11:55violent us you need to accept that
- 11:58excuse me that's what they wants you to
- 12:03believe in nothing they wants you to
- 12:04believe it I think some of its inherent
- 12:06in the way we're raised you know don't
- 12:09hit your sister well that makes sense
- 12:12but if Johnny gets out line you just
- 12:15kicked the crap out that doesn't make
- 12:16sense you know they're gonna teach
- 12:21non-violence you I teach non-violence to
- 12:23both it's not gender-specific
- 12:25you don't make up lies you don't need to
- 12:29blame one party or another you just need
- 12:31to say violence inappropriate you know
- 12:37whoever hits whoever is gonna there's
- 12:39gonna be a consequence stay California
- 12:44you may understand you may remember that
- 12:46we've had some difficulty with our
- 12:48correctional institution isn't
- 12:49overcrowding mm-hmm matter of fact we
- 12:52were put under federal oversight right
- 12:54and we were ordered to reduce the
- 12:56population of our prison so what's the
- 12:58first thing we did do you remember
- 13:02kind of more lenient on women we opened
- 13:05the doors to Prettyman in prison and we
- 13:09let women out of prison my men but we
- 13:11let women out of prison some of whom had
- 13:13done exactly what men had done and
- 13:14weren't prison for now why would we do
- 13:17that do you know that England as we
- 13:21speak right now there's legislation
- 13:23that's being pushed over there to
- 13:25completely do away with women and our
- 13:27print female prisons because they're
- 13:30figuring out a way to excuse all
- 13:32aberrant behavior in women excuse me
- 13:40does her need for am is rice movement I
- 13:43don't know you tell me does that make
- 13:45sense
- 13:46it doesn't make any sense to me why
- 13:48would you do that does it make any sense
- 13:50to in Alaska we call this Barnard
- 13:53divorce if you got caught in bed with
- 13:55somebody else a shotgun was nearby and
- 13:57took care of the deal everybody in town
- 13:59kind of understood that okay let's get
- 14:01on with it you know nowadays the whole
- 14:04the way it is you know we've got the
- 14:06battered spouse syndrome thirteen abuse
- 14:09excuses for women in court none for men
- 14:11the battered spouse in court the
- 14:14battered skip to the spouse abuse well I
- 14:16I didn't mean to shoot him 67 times but
- 14:20my finger got stuck on the trigger when
- 14:22he was sleeping you know that's because
- 14:24I've been abused for all these years
- 14:26okay now let's not be facetious about it
- 14:29is there a real dynamic where somebody
- 14:31can be abused seriously abused and get
- 14:33caught up in the dynamic and not leave
- 14:35absolutely absolutely
- 14:38it's a nightmare absolute freakin
- 14:40nightmare okay but should that be some
- 14:43justification for murdering somebody
- 14:46sure
- 14:50everyone really I mean if they really
- 14:54can't leave and they feel like that's
- 14:55our only way out yeah okay what if we're
- 14:58gonna die
- 14:59what if roles are reversed I think the
- 15:02same I mean what makes sense wouldn't it
- 15:04if they're if they think they're
- 15:07protecting their life I have any Colvin
- 15:10genderless you know do you remember the
- 15:13Rihanna's situation how she was abused
- 15:17by James brat got beat Bobby we got beat
- 15:21up in the car man that was fascinating
- 15:24they were truly fascinating and I'm not
- 15:27saying this guy's a saint you know he's
- 15:29driving a car and she's kicking the crap
- 15:31out of him that's what went down that's
- 15:34what it was rude initially reported in
- 15:35the news and he slugged her he lost it
- 15:38in Peter up within 24 hours
- 15:42man that woman's the famous machine it
- 15:45just came together and wrapped its arms
- 15:50around Rihanna and said man do we have
- 15:53an opportunity here and they fired up
- 15:57Oprah Winfrey and everybody else and off
- 16:00to the red off to the races we went it's
- 16:18unconscionable what's interesting
- 16:22and the subtlety of discrimination if
- 16:26you will you'll have women in a lot of
- 16:31the reality shows you know or on TV
- 16:34shows so stuff that gets perpetuated
- 16:38we're a little laugh about what Elena
- 16:41bought each other that's right I ever
- 16:43found my husband and you know with
- 16:45another woman I cut off his being in
- 16:47everyone jokes about haha sure and there
- 16:50isn't any public outrage when this joke
- 16:55keeps being perpetuated so if we reverse
- 16:59it and say a man cut off his wife's
- 17:02breasts or terrific it's horrific it
- 17:06sliced her you know down there and stuff
- 17:08and then it's it's an ongoing joke in
- 17:12our media and pop culture even if you've
- 17:18been abused for years and years and
- 17:21we're not outraged because that's what
- 17:26they teach you
- 17:27I don't teaching me outraged about
- 17:31injustice anywhere unless the injustice
- 17:34is gender specific
- 17:35I think that's outrageous you know i
- 17:42I've literally worked with thousands of
- 17:44felons
- 17:45I mean I've interviewed thousands of
- 17:46them I have interviewed baby bouncers
- 17:49acid throwers murderers muggers serial
- 17:51killers bank robbers you name it I've
- 17:53been in a Cell with him and I've talked
- 17:54to him right there are some horrible
- 17:58people out there but bang I mean
- 18:01injustice injustice you pay the price
- 18:03for whatever your behavior should be and
- 18:05I shouldn't be gender specific I murders
- 18:07and murder as a murder thought the
- 18:09mitigating circumstance yeah that's why
- 18:12they're called mitigating circumstances
- 18:14but they shouldn't be gender specific
- 18:16either should not be thirteen abuse
- 18:18excuses for women and unforgotten says
- 18:20absurd is crazy most recent study out of
- 18:25Harvard shows that seventy percent of
- 18:26domestic violence one on one is
- 18:29perpetrated by you guys not us and the
- 18:33more we learn about intimate partner
- 18:35violence
- 18:35the more that becomes clear in in dating
- 18:39violence on college campuses man we're
- 18:42not even close
- 18:43how do you define violence ah well once
- 18:48again it's the definition isn't it so
- 18:51whatever definition they want to use we
- 18:53got some pamphlets out here you're
- 18:54welcome to take a look at that stuff
- 18:55there's a guy in the East Coast that's a
- 18:57really good work
- 18:57Richard remember the names he's retired
- 19:01police lieutenant written a couple books
- 19:03teaches about domestic violence on a
- 19:05couple colleges I think of his name
- 19:08you're really a great guy and he started
- 19:11looking at instance of interpersonal and
- 19:15personal violence between students on
- 19:18college campuses he started discovering
- 19:21some of these things to the point being
- 19:24a lot of what we believe a lot of what
- 19:25we taught our taught isn't what really
- 19:27is and so some of the things that are
- 19:31being taught oh like the CDC I didn't
- 19:33finish something with a CDC so three
- 19:35years ago if you were ago the CDC
- 19:37website he could find charts and would
- 19:38show this it would show how abusive
- 19:40mothers were in stepdads and biological
- 19:43fathers and who did what to whom how
- 19:45many times no more the charts are gone
- 19:49now you go to CDC and looking they're
- 19:52all gender inclusive they don't talk
- 19:54about who does what the most huh
- 19:58it's just parents or non-biological
- 20:00parent sir and why is that
- 20:02who's that control the White House we've
- 20:05got the White House Council on women and
- 20:06girls in who they have lateral Authority
- 20:10in each department the United States
- 20:11government including the CDC and that
- 20:14thought process this thought process is
- 20:19now being institutionalized top-down and
- 20:24anything that suggests women should be
- 20:26responsible for their own actions is
- 20:28simply disappearing and it what's
- 20:30increasing is making things that make it
- 20:33easier to vilify criminalize mend
- 20:37hence the Department of Education order
- 20:42to college campuses
- 20:44I was okay I have a hard time of
- 20:49statistics because you didn't find
- 20:52statistics on either side to support you
- 20:55know and granted who knows if they're
- 20:57made up statistics are true studies but
- 21:00you can find statistics to support
- 21:02either side and that's what you know the
- 21:04feminists are using oh we're going to
- 21:06use the one in four women are sexually
- 21:08assaulted in their lifetime and so this
- 21:10is what we're Mystik with the answer is
- 21:11easy what's that
- 21:13the answer is easy that that comes from
- 21:16a study conducted by whom miss magazine
- 21:18ms ms period magazine commissioned that
- 21:22study well I I started googling to find
- 21:27out what statistics I could find and and
- 21:30I feel like correct me if I'm wrong I
- 21:32feel like the CDC is really the most
- 21:34reputable statistics you can find do you
- 21:37think you think and just like a couple
- 21:40days ago I looked up semester violence
- 21:43on the CDC and it said eighty-three
- 21:45percent women and the rest men are
- 21:49victims of domestic well then if you
- 21:50have to question that because there's so
- 21:54much country I just try to explain that
- 21:56they got control the CDC the CDC's to be
- 22:01extraordinary reputable organization you
- 22:05could Bank by it we used to use their
- 22:08numbers I don't use them anymore there
- 22:12are other authorities you can go to
- 22:15study after study after study
- 22:17hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
- 22:19not just one or two hundreds and
- 22:21hundreds and her
- 22:22it's easy Martin fever look up Martin
- 22:25fever domestic violence mom you should
- 22:27go interview the guys right up there in
- 22:29Cal State Long Beach
- 22:31it wasn't CNM right no he's a
- 22:35common-sense guy he's a political
- 22:36science professor who maintains the
- 22:39largest bibliography research on abused
- 22:41me in on the planning thanks guy
- 22:46just like that so what do you do I still
- 22:50feel like because his he focuses on
- 22:52men's issues so isn't that the
- 22:54equivalent of a news magazine doing a
- 22:56study there's a big difference between
- 22:58an unscientific one unscientific study
- 23:02from MS magazine in almost 2,500
- 23:07academic papers and research studies
- 23:09from social scientists there's a big
- 23:12difference and if you were to put them
- 23:14on a scale which way which way do you
- 23:16think that scale would wait and when you
- 23:19put a study from MS magazine well they
- 23:22probably had scientists doing this
- 23:24actually I didn't go back and look at
- 23:25Teresa they did it they just it's how
- 23:27they put the questions together do you
- 23:29realize a lot of the women in that study
- 23:30who said they had been raped went back
- 23:32to live either date the man that
- 23:34supposedly raped them and a lot of a by
- 23:37their own admission didn't even know was
- 23:38rape hmm I mean read the history on this
- 23:42that's ridiculous it's not it's just
- 23:44ridiculous and this is yeah this is what
- 23:48they do over and over and over and over
- 23:50again first they try to identify a
- 23:54problem and one doesn't exist they
- 23:55create it okay now we create it we have
- 23:58to substantiate it so the work what
- 24:00we're gonna do is we're going to cause a
- 24:02controversial study to take place and
- 24:04we're the ones are gonna conduct it and
- 24:07we have predefined outcomes we're really
- 24:09not interested the truth what we want to
- 24:10do is substantiate our position and once
- 24:13we've substantiate our position we'll
- 24:15bring in the media and we'll sell it to
- 24:17the media and the media will take it out
- 24:19the public and make people believe it to
- 24:21be true
- 24:24over and over and you can find the
- 24:29methodology in rules for radicals which
- 24:33is a guidebook that these people some of
- 24:37them use you can see it's written down
- 24:39there so here's how you do it boom boom
- 24:42boom boom I could do is open the page
- 24:45and go down and read their read them
- 24:49take what you want in my book case it's
- 24:51nothing you know though they'll tell you
- 24:54if they don't keep it a secret
- 24:58they just know most of us are stupid
- 25:03yeah
- 25:05the mass majority just eats up whatever
- 25:07mainstream media it's awesome most of us
- 25:10are good people we have things to do we
- 25:14want to play baseball you know I want to
- 25:17take my daughter to the dance I want to
- 25:20make sure I get that second job paycheck
- 25:24from there I again do a little something
- 25:26extra for the family we got to fix that
- 25:28four wheel when we go the Ripper got put
- 25:31some food on the table I don't have time
- 25:33for this crap
- 25:34I don't know what you're talking about I
- 25:35don't care what you're talking about
- 25:38doesn't doesn't impact me but when it
- 25:42does what does I can tell you why you
- 25:46guys are here and I can tell you I don't
- 25:50think you mean no I'll tell you why
- 25:52you're here is because this stuff we're
- 25:54talking about now has touched adversely
- 25:58touched in one way or another everybody
- 26:01in this country everybody and maybe
- 26:05didn't come up and bite you directly on
- 26:07his arm but maybe it's a neighbor or a
- 26:10friend or relative somebody you know
- 26:15sudden you looked at there's something
- 26:17right here something right here just
- 26:20that dunce doesn't pass the smell test
- 26:23anymore
- 26:24right for the longest period of time
- 26:27before it adversely impacted everybody
- 26:29directly or indirectly they got away
- 26:32with a lot and I've been hesitant not to
- 26:36go somewhere I still try not to go there
- 26:41go there it's all too controversial
- 26:46well I'm Madison I'm not a historian I'm
- 26:50I'm a political scientist I
- 26:54really don't want to go there I mean
- 26:56there's other motivations for this
- 26:57movement
- 26:58aside from enlightenment and oppression
- 27:03do you feel oppressed it's hard to say
- 27:08really
- 27:09Wow do you feel oppressed no you shut
- 27:16that door okay
- 27:17has anybody ever applied for a job and
- 27:21said you're not being hired for your
- 27:22woman or when I grew up most my bosses
- 27:28were female I think everyone has their
- 27:33own experiences probably so right and
- 27:35that's why personally for me it's hard
- 27:39to understand the men's movement because
- 27:40I haven't walked in your noses shoes
- 27:43well like I said not sure about the MS
- 27:45movement part but unfortunately there's
- 27:49just so much misinformation going back
- 27:50and forth yeah I was bringing back
- 27:52what's the motivation you know if you
- 27:55come back and say what's the motivation
- 27:56you can't find an altruistic reason for
- 27:58you can't find truth I think we're in
- 28:02trouble because then there's something
- 28:03else something sinister is afoot and
- 28:07then you have to ask what is that why is
- 28:09it and how do we fix that because it's
- 28:11like you know I'll write a route to a
- 28:13plant pretty soon it's gonna kill
- 28:15something and you really have to kind of
- 28:17dig it out root it out I don't care
- 28:20whether it's a man being a jerk or a
- 28:22woman being a jerk is inconsequential to
- 28:24me okay we have to stop stop the jerk
- 28:28yet so that's what we have to stop okay
- 28:30so if you want but labels I don't put
- 28:32labels on it I don't think labels
- 28:34particularly help myself matter of fact
- 28:37I think labels detract from solutions
- 28:41because then it becomes shame blame and
- 28:43guilt where do those concepts come from
- 28:45Duluth power and control will you guys
- 28:47know about that mm-hmm I gave you a copy
- 28:50no in 1977 I think about you crazy women
- 28:53up in Duluth Minnesota figured out their
- 28:55the solution to domestic violence and it
- 28:57was all about patriarchy and all about
- 29:00men
- 29:01and it's a Bluth power of a drill
- 29:03because men are all about power and
- 29:06control of course not you ladies you
- 29:09guys you don't control anything you have
- 29:11no power
- 29:12you're just sweet and innocent all
- 29:13things okay so on this power no control
- 29:17wheels divided up and all these things
- 29:18you know about who does this and who
- 29:20does that blah blah blah of course it's
- 29:22all men tambien the entire domestic
- 29:27violence industry was founded on that I
- 29:29think it's still 37 or 32 states the
- 29:31United States that by law they have to
- 29:33use the Duluth model for batterer
- 29:35intervention programs and it's all shame
- 29:37blaming guilt driven if you're a man and
- 29:40you walk in you must admit you did it
- 29:42upfront or you're in denial there's no
- 29:44debate there's no discussion there's no
- 29:45possibility that you could be falsely
- 29:47accused the criminal justice system
- 29:49could have made a mistake
- 29:50none whatsoever you are in a state you
- 29:52know I'll and you will complete that
- 29:54course right when I go to jail you will
- 29:58be re-engineered frightening yes I think
- 30:05it's terrifying absolutely terrifying
- 30:12that we allow such stuff to happen in
- 30:15this country I thought that was Russia
- 30:19maybe I've got him confused how can you
- 30:24do that oh and this happens before
- 30:26there's been any criminal charges whoa
- 30:28huh yeah I mean there's oh they're not
- 30:32gonna be any file probably I mean that's
- 30:34actually coming from a silikal Family
- 30:36Court not Criminal Court they can they
- 30:37can do that Wow do they have these same
- 30:42programs for women
- 30:43oh they don't how's that possible we
- 30:49don't need to rename reengineer women
- 30:51free I guess all you guys are just
- 30:53perfect mothers and I never have issues
- 30:56and it's just uh it's just us guys it's
- 31:01just us guys so book up here written by
- 31:05a mr. Geffner who i think president of
- 31:10the lion university violinist blah blah
- 31:14blah graduate program whatever the hell
- 31:15it is nice guy nice guy
- 31:19yeah so he caught authored this book
- 31:22about a batterer intervention programs
- 31:24for women
- 31:24oh the recognition that there might be
- 31:26an abusive woman holy moly moly
- 31:29and you read the introduction and how
- 31:32does it start out laymen men
- 31:34unbelievable if the program is for men
- 31:39it starts out laymen men with the
- 31:41programs for women his starts out laymen
- 31:42meant excuse me what I do you know I
- 31:49don't know about Danielle but I didn't
- 31:51do it I don't know where you came in I
- 31:53didn't do it you know I'm trying to help
- 31:55people not be violent how is that
- 31:58constructive how is that yeah I was a
- 32:01constructive until that one whole gender
- 32:03escape routes responsibility for the
- 32:05actions by blaming them on somebody else
- 32:07and yet you look at the other gender and
- 32:10say you're responsible for everything
- 32:12and you need to accept responsibility
- 32:13for it even if you didn't do it I'm
- 32:17sorry but if that's what it takes town
- 32:19men's rights movement maybe we need one
- 32:21because that's just so nonsensically
- 32:24crazies
- 32:25for me it doesn't compute and we have a
- 32:28whole industry out there do you you
- 32:31rising years and years ago there was
- 32:34Susan Steinmetz
- 32:36was the first a woman first academic to
- 32:43come out with a scientific paper I
- 32:46showed this is suggested that perhaps
- 32:49more women abused men then verse event
- 32:52horizon hello man do you think she was I
- 32:55had to go to the Salem witch trials I
- 32:59mean the academics burned her at the
- 33:01stake
- 33:03they made bomb threats against her tried
- 33:06to get her thrown out of the university
- 33:07tried to get her tenure denied she
- 33:10actually left academia for a few years
- 33:12until she came back in and joined the
- 33:14national study the first national study
- 33:16on the other partner of violence every
- 33:17conduct and all three of those
- 33:19researchers were threatened with death
- 33:23threats
- 33:26there are even meetings when they were
- 33:28making presentations and other social
- 33:30sciences stood up and said there's no
- 33:31such thing as an abusive woman what and
- 33:36what planet did you follow up if I can
- 33:38stores the spaceship let's find it and
- 33:40round them all back up shut the door
- 33:42put some dynamite under it off into
- 33:45space they go how can people with PhDs
- 33:49possibly take that position it's the
- 33:51most asinine on his face it's absolutely
- 33:55ridiculous no calm no person who thinks
- 34:01objectively to any degree whatsoever
- 34:04could possibly arrive at that conclusion
- 34:10you tell me why don't we need a minister
- 34:12a moment I like this one well you're
- 34:16just trying to take away all the gains
- 34:18made back what I'm trying to taking it
- 34:22where the gains made by what you think I
- 34:24can do that I mean do I have that power
- 34:27really I don't think so and why would I
- 34:33want to do that well it's gonna cost me
- 34:36more money it's gonna take more of my
- 34:38time you know I want you guys doing what
- 34:40you want to do just don't bug me all
- 34:42right
- 34:43contribute be happy have a great life
- 34:46show your kids where your family love
- 34:49your husband love the men in your life
- 34:53be a person be human let me be a person
- 34:56let me be let's get along you know I
- 35:00mean who the hell do you think you are
- 35:02'ln I'm supposed to give you some
- 35:03special consideration because you don't
- 35:06have a penis what you don't give me any
- 35:09because I do remember the husband yeah
- 35:14didn't understand what he goes through
- 35:15the stress the pressures every day
- 35:17because we suck it up
- 35:20we suck it up the guy worked with two
- 35:23days ago in 19 years and abuse assist
- 35:25you in a woman's crazy she's a
- 35:27narcissist he's a megalomaniac she's a
- 35:29control freak she takes no
- 35:32responsibility for anything ever ever on
- 35:35earth happens in the household it's
- 35:36always his fault always no matter what
- 35:39it is
- 35:39all she does is go to nurses and spend
- 35:42all his money buying clothes she never
- 35:43wears she's corrupted her daughters and
- 35:48her son turned children away from this
- 35:52guy and all he does is work his ass off
- 35:55excuse me
- 35:57why do we need a men's rights movement
- 35:59you tell me maybe because we don't have
- 36:03that right now people when I say we
- 36:07don't have any people so excute I
- 36:08thought you men had all the rights well
- 36:10show me if you can show it to me I'll
- 36:14wear it you know but I'm not buying it
- 36:18you know people have not showed it to me
- 36:20why aren't the prison is full of men
- 36:22because they were aggressive interview
- 36:24really hmm
- 36:26yeah well that's true a lot of us for
- 36:28failing to pay child support well are
- 36:29all deadbeats that's where they belong
- 36:30well do you realize that women who were
- 36:32similarly situated are more likely not
- 36:35to pay child support than men how come
- 36:36we don't look at that because you don't
- 36:40have a penis it's as simple as that it's
- 36:44not even complicated I mean I can go on
- 36:49and on and on he wanted examples how
- 36:51many examples do you want
- 36:53how about Obama care do you realize it
- 36:56young man you have to provide insurance
- 36:58under Obama care have to pay for
- 37:00paternity maternity insurance in case
- 37:04they get pregnant I guess maybe there's
- 37:07something going on in Washington even we
- 37:09don't know about yet you know maybe I'll
- 37:14wake up tomorrow and I'll have twins in
- 37:16my stomach or something now why is that
- 37:19what's the motivation okay how come a
- 37:22women won't step up and take oh they use
- 37:2480% of the health services in the United
- 37:27States of America eighty percent so
- 37:31while I keep reaping into our pocket
- 37:34okay you're not reaching in your pocket
- 37:37to pay for mine right so why what's the
- 37:43motivation I think it all goes back to
- 37:46warn disenfranchised and then
- 37:48disempowerment more men you can extract
- 37:52from a family the more men you can
- 37:54criminalize for the weakest offense
- 37:56here's the example I'm in the military
- 38:01I'm a career military person I've been
- 38:02in eighteen years the only thing I want
- 38:04to do is put in my thirty I've been to
- 38:06work five times been on so many
- 38:08deployments I've been shot I've got the
- 38:10medals I'm all these things and I'm in
- 38:13this situation I'm falsely accused of
- 38:15domestic violence I can't even have a
- 38:17gun and they yanked my security
- 38:18clearance the military no longer wants
- 38:23to deal with me because down a problem
- 38:25so now I'm going to be kicked out the
- 38:28family court doesn't give a [ __ ] the
- 38:31family courts gonna say you still need
- 38:33to pay child support you're gonna still
- 38:34need to pay Alan I can't I no longer
- 38:36have a job my career was taken away from
- 38:38me because I was falsely accused and I
- 38:40don't care that's not our issue I don't
- 38:45care that's not our issue when you do
- 38:48things like that you expand definitions
- 38:50of domestic violence or crime where you
- 38:51can criminalize almost anybody for
- 38:53anything and then you criminalize
- 38:55something like I'm getting a temporary
- 38:57restraining order which has a purpose
- 38:59and that purpose should only be to keep
- 39:00cardis a park so there's no injury you
- 39:03don't criminalize the act of the
- 39:05issuance of restraining order but
- 39:06they've done that why have they done
- 39:07that because now it creates a record and
- 39:11who are restraining orders most often
- 39:12issued against the man not the woman
- 39:14right so now we've criminalized another
- 39:16man for doing what nothing doing
- 39:19absolutely nothing
- 39:20we've criminalized him maybe we need
- 39:24them as rights movement maybe that's a
- 39:27reason I mean an investor a smuggler you
- 39:31add them all up so what happens so we're
- 39:34disenfranchising we're disempowering why
- 39:36are we disenfranchising and
- 39:37disempowering men what's the motivation
- 39:40what do you think the motivation might
- 39:42be because men have all the power and
- 39:45control because we're so evil because if
- 39:50you walk out that door everything you
- 39:52see was has been built by a man what's
- 39:58our contribution does that mean women
- 40:01don't have value
- 40:02that's ridiculous of course you guys
- 40:05have value you know or we wouldn't get
- 40:07in trouble so much guys okay we're all
- 40:12on the same boat we just don't seem to
- 40:17respect each other for who we are and
- 40:20there's something sinister there's some
- 40:23sinister aspect of our culture some
- 40:25sinister as something sick something
- 40:27malignant something horrific ly
- 40:31destructive that hasn't even come close
- 40:35to tearing us apart yet but we're
- 40:37getting there and if we don't change
- 40:39something radically and do it soon we're
- 40:43gonna be in D
- 40:44crap and I think that's exactly what
- 40:47some of these people want and that's
- 40:52where I don't want to go because that's
- 40:54not the one way stepping out of men's
- 40:55rights or or gender issues okay buddy
- 41:02you want to talk about the inequities I
- 41:03can go on for days I think we should
- 41:09take a break
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- 41:16[Music]
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