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0:05[Music]
0:23you can call it it's hell on the earth
0:27always they torture you they beat you
0:36churches being broken houses being
0:39burned there was a huge amount of ribs
0:45we have this public image of India's
0:47peaceful and pluralistic doesn't compute
0:50for there to be this kind of violence
0:51there
0:54there is no safety in Iraq not for
0:58family not for me not for children
1:06no somos so among the Americans her
1:08determine show me the charitable feel
1:10identify Ricans iconic or evil robotic
1:12handily
1:17it's a very Darwinian process in the end
1:19and that's what we're seeing and we're
1:21seeing it at its most vicious right now
1:24our Christians being
1:28disproportionately victimized are they
1:30the victims of a genocide that makes
1:33them may be particularly worthy objects
1:36of our attention
1:39the persecution
1:42concerns our own survival
2:01[Music]
2:13there is no more appropriate time for
2:15this conference on this very day
2:18Christians will be killed exiled finder
2:20property and houses of worship destroyed
2:23and faced humiliating discrimination in
2:25countries around the world
2:29the under Caesar sword project is an
2:32effort to study systematically and
2:36globally the kind of responses that
2:37Christian communities make towards
2:39persecution what do they do when they're
2:42under this kind of pressure and
2:44repression some people will say it's
2:46ethnic or religious cleansing not
2:48genocide these I think are quibbles the
2:52important thing is a massive
2:54humanitarian because tast Rafi is in
2:56front of us and it is inextricably
2:58related again to the religious identity
3:01of very vulnerable Christians
3:03the whole Middle East is without
3:07exception engulfed by a nightmare that
3:11seems to have no end and that undermine
3:15the very existence of
3:19Christians in many countries of the
3:23region
3:24[Music]
3:37[Music]
3:49the early church was comprised of five
3:52ancient patriarch aids Rome in the West
3:55and then four in the East Antioch
3:57Alexandria Jerusalem and Constantinople
4:00and those are all in danger of of
4:03disappearing they are literally living
4:06in an at-risk condition of great
4:08vulnerability a
4:11century ago
4:14one-third of the samel population was
4:16non-muslim which would mean Greeks first
4:19a Greek Orthodox then Armenians then
4:22Jews today it is less than 1% very tiny
4:27communities
4:29how did this happen while
4:31Turkey got rid of its Christian
4:34minorities to a great extent
4:36unfortunately by population exchanges by
4:40expelling them
4:47what we say in Turkish occupied Cyprus
4:50is really the erasure of the Christian
4:52presence churches demolished all of the
4:55iconography associated with the early
4:57church stripped out of these churches
4:59really a perverse effort to erase the
5:03historical footprints of the Christians
5:05of Turkey
5:15there has been a growing discourse in
5:19Turkey about the conversion of the great
5:22Church of the Holy wisdom of IES Sophia
5:25into a functioning mosque the largest
5:28Christian structure up until the
5:31Cathedral of Notre Dame was built and at
5:33that structures to function as a
5:35religious site it should function as a
5:38site for which it was built and intended
5:40a Christian site that is part of the
5:42ecumenical Patriarchate of
5:44Constantinople
5:49the state has to accelerate its reforms
5:53it used to be a very polyphonic country
5:56and then it could be again
6:05we go to the state to the ministries to
6:10the bureaucracy and we claim or we
6:12explain our issues together
6:14and we are so few now so the Solidarity
6:19in building up new ideas is essential
6:24[Music]
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7:38custody
7:42Christian communities have long focused
7:45on coping strategies in terms of making
7:48life livable on a daily basis and that
7:51has meant largely staying off the radar
7:55and by that I mean simply trying to do
7:57whatever is necessary in order to stay
7:59within these very strict limits of the
8:02law
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8:24remedy genius
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8:40[Music]
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8:54Ilana sarcomere
8:56[Music]
9:05the non-muslim minorities we are
9:07reaching 200,000 people so why we have
9:11to be very vibrant and active it's very
9:14simple because we are part of this
9:16country we are the heritage of this
9:18history of this country
9:21we try to explain ourselves to dialogue
9:24with people because they don't know us
9:26if you see
9:28we can see that there are millions of
9:30millions of people in Turkey that they
9:32never experienced any connection and a
9:35dialogue with any non-muslim person and
9:38we try to explain again from the
9:39beginning that we are not foreigners
9:41that we are not strangers
9:44[Music]
9:48the blessing of the waters the epiphany
9:50as we call it it is a very special day
9:54and we came with all our bishops and our
9:57people and our parishes and all members
10:01of the larger community there were
10:02Turkish Muslims all Levi's Armenians
10:06we were happy because everything goes
10:10smoothly even if today Turkey and the
10:14countries around they are facing several
10:16problems we in a very secure way we have
10:20celebrated today
10:24definitely 15-20 years ago this could be
10:27impossible we still have a long way to
10:30go because we see what's happening in
10:33the Middle East first Iraq and on Syria
10:35and we have so millions of people
10:37refugees coming in Turkey of course it
10:40seems that doing it for the last
10:42centuries freedom for Christians is a
10:45limited understanding in the region
10:49[Music]
10:59[Music]
11:02in 1914 1922 in Turkey that Christians
11:0720% of were forced out and many of them
11:09fled to Syria and Iran and today they're
11:13being driven out of Syria Iraq and
11:15they're finding refuge in Turkey
11:17now so far the Turks have been
11:20extraordinarily accepting two million
11:24refugees
11:26when there is chaos in a country mostly
11:31composed of Islamic majority minorities
11:36especially Christians are very much
11:40vulnerable I
11:42decided to leave Iraq because there is
11:45no safety for my children and I can come
11:50to Turkey because turkeys is better
11:54homeland to return the homeland is
11:56beautiful over now and and this time is
12:00bigger problem yeah Nina my new film at
12:04Rudy's pagina AHA Nelvana an honest man
12:07a B&E a virginal vana oMG a Bonacci
12:10hummina they come to me and tell me you
12:13should
12:14give us money or Kalu or
12:19hurt your family
12:22OHE and him estaba la la dia under a set
12:25home who is tamarind hiya too
12:30militant ilk saans aake our turkey ax
12:35abundance aura or openin
12:38turkish que pasa bori Geryon are
12:42[Music]
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13:09Shayla shut yours program
13:11[Music]
13:26it isn't everybody who has fled you do
13:31have incidence of the Assyrians for
13:33example round the table or River in
13:34Syria that took up arms have formed a
13:36militia but those are small responses
13:41one of the remarkable things that we
13:43found among Christian communities around
13:46the world is how few of them have
13:48resorted to violence as the answer we
13:51want to be careful not to judge
13:52communities who have made that difficult
13:54decision that may be armed the defense
13:57is the only way for them to survive but
13:59we do note that in the global profile
14:01armed violence is very rare
14:04Christians have spontaneously responded
14:07to their own suffering by enlarging
14:09their concern and compassion work for
14:12justice to include others as well it's
14:15important because that's what their
14:16faith calls them to but it's important
14:18to in that I think many Christians
14:21realize that the only world in which
14:24they're going to be more secure is the
14:25world in which everyone is more secure
14:27oh my godula video
14:38[Music]
14:45[Music]
14:48especially
14:52thankful francis if you got the voice of
14:56the voiceless from all the nobility
14:58especially all the poor from
15:01[Music]
15:04wagon il gramma ha - mosquito
15:09akadama
15:12Tasi Shabazz was my younger brother he
15:16dedicated 28 years of his life to foster
15:20the ideal of human equality
15:22interfaith harmony and mutual love and
15:25forgiveness he died only a few meters in
15:29front of their home my mother heard the
15:32tender of bullets killing my brother
15:34even today it's impossible to imagine
15:37her pain but to my amazement my mom told
15:42me without hesitating that his mission
15:45should continue and I was the right
15:48person for this job she explained that
15:51she had forgiven the killers of my
15:53brother and she was free from a desire
15:56for the revenge of retaliation against
15:58them later she reminded me that Shabazz
16:01way of life was rooted in forgiveness
16:03love following the way of our Jesus
16:05Christ wagon ayora mob Artemis Kieran
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16:15Magana Rama bottom s Kyra
16:20akadama
16:22Zometa awesome imprisonment is 32 months
16:26it said continued
16:30absence I got enough air it's not clean
16:35of it allama they asked you to deny your
16:41face ryoga's Omega mu near
16:48so
16:50refuse
16:54[Music]
16:57the Pew Forum reports that 76% of the
17:00world's population lives in a country
17:03where religious freedom is seriously
17:05curtail in India hundreds of Christians
17:08have been attacked by Hindu extremists
17:10whose violent efforts have been
17:12encouraged by the rise to power of a
17:14Hindu nationalist governments
17:17[Music]
17:25[Music]
17:37Christian's have been around in India
17:39from at least the third century there
17:41was a long period millennium or more of
17:45relatively peaceful coexistence between
17:47Christians and other religious people in
17:49India
17:55there was a huge embrace of Christians
17:58in this country the Christian
17:59missionaries and the schools they set up
18:01very commonly Christmas was practically
18:04no celebrated by all of India it's it's
18:07been a kind of secular practice almost a
18:10celebration you
18:13know the Western world generally have a
18:16notion of Hinduism and Buddhism as
18:18religions of peace yoga meditation sort
18:22of friendliness and
18:24this is a problem of perception
18:27in this that democracy is a
18:29constitutionally secure place the state
18:32is not supposed to be involved in
18:34religion in the big way but in reality
18:36the state has always been involved but
18:38clearly in favor of the ontology
18:42if you go in a police station you will
18:45find the pictures of gods and goddesses
18:47Garland and and so those spaces are very
18:50often marked out as at least quasi Hindu
18:53spaces and Christians maybe feel that
18:56they are not fully represented
18:58it has been a slow consistent process
19:02over decades what is happening now did
19:04not happen in one day it was a
19:06preparation of tens of years of a very
19:10slow poisoning of minds across India
19:14[Music]
19:16since about 1998 there's been a real
19:20rise in incidents of violence against
19:23Christians
19:27the condom all riots were really of a
19:30far more widespread and far more
19:35significant nature
19:37[Music]
19:41the crowd maybe about 300 to 400 people
19:45came in the morning and from this sport
19:48itself they started attacking the people
19:50breaking the houses and burning the
19:53houses and the violence continued
19:56all throughout the day set up a mall
20:00same an Angora a secret war of angular
20:02person to move our division not filling
20:03the table Christian Marwan is almost a
20:05year at haggling and facilitators or
20:07anybody
20:09in kendama there was a huge Christian
20:13purge in a lot of killings lot of rape
20:15churches being broken and looted
20:18[Music]
20:21most almost on Monday American cherry
20:24tomorrow Swami gets ready to move Phil
20:25edita Tariq in the corner Coralville
20:27Bogota can't delay yet the very same
20:29birthday parties on a cyclist Arabic or
20:31a Bandicoot a kilometer back for the who
20:33goes makes an angle
20:36[Music]
20:52they tortured him
20:55he had to suffer so
20:58so inhumanly they killed him in front of
21:02his wife and two children oh
21:04[Music]
21:14so that's how a girl on it muchas dated
21:18or even a lot a posse only
21:28[Music]
21:40the first response is prayer
21:45we are not attuned to we don't retaliate
21:47we don't respond as possibly other
21:50communities would do
21:54after things settled down a broader
21:58range of options became available to
22:00Christians and many of them began to
22:03very intentionally engage with their
22:06neighbors for the sake of
22:09bolstering or developing their social
22:12capital
22:13expanding their social networks I think
22:15they realized that they needed to reach
22:17out more effectively to other groups so
22:19they began doing visits you know they'd
22:22go to a Muslim service or festival
22:24they'd go to a Hindu service or festival
22:26they'd go to a Buddhist service fs1 and
22:28they would invite people from other
22:29religions into their own celebrations we
22:31began to counter the hate ideology and
22:34to do that we worked on modules we
22:38organized residential training camps in
22:40the last 12 years
22:43more than 15 20,000 young people have
22:46undergone those camps this is mainly
22:48fighting prejudices fighting hatred
22:52after the attack I was part of peace
22:56building process along with the district
22:59administration I went for peace building
23:02meetings in different villages
23:04in the youth program some of the sports
23:07computations we conducted brought the
23:09community people together from both the
23:11religion from both the costs and the
23:15biasness and the doubts that were there
23:18those also could be resolved in the
23:20meetings because the youth you are not
23:23able to talk the people you are not able
23:24to talk after the violence so this gave
23:28space to come together people slowly
23:30started talking one another building
23:33relationship
23:34they tried to make their own
23:37religious buildings more ecumenical and
23:40spirit more interfaith and spirit so
23:42instead of building something that could
23:43only be a church they might build a
23:44community center that had the symbols of
23:46various religions in it
23:50we are not understanding that the
23:54Christian community in India is part of
23:56a larger national groups we are
23:59protected by the Constitution we are
24:01protected by the United Nations Charter
24:03India is a signatory therefore there is
24:05no harm in fact we're duty-bound to seek
24:09support from everywhere to raise a voice
24:11everyone
24:18[Music]
24:23my overwhelming feeling now having heard
24:26the stories that we heard having met
24:28many of the really most remarkable
24:31Christian leaders who face persecution
24:33around the world is not one a
24:34discouragement
24:37our diversity and pluralism are
24:41decades of struggle for a democratic
24:45secular India is waking up again
24:49everyone will fight till till the last
24:52breath
24:55busy articulation to make your neck as
24:58like and alluring than a candy wattle
25:01master number or a cure malaria a
25:03similar a big Aramco sure
25:07we have to work
25:09to create a bridge and this bridge I
25:13mean cannot be built only from one side
25:16we have to work both sides and to create
25:19a bridge of confidence
25:23people are very different religions and
25:25ethnicities and national communities
25:28being able to live together in the same
25:30society that's critical to the dream of
25:33liberal democracy the dream of human
25:34rights
25:37it's very hard to see how you're going
25:39to get to a society where religious
25:42freedoms are
25:44central to the legal system but
25:47many people are beginning to see the
25:50merits and see that it's the only thing
25:52that's going to keep the societies they
25:54love from being swept away
25:58my overwhelming feeling despite
26:01challenges is that one can have hope and
26:04that things things can't improve and
26:07that
26:08integrity that faithfulness in the long
26:12run matter more than anything else
26:18[Music]
26:44[Music]

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