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  1. 0:00[Music]
  2. 0:07There are a small group of pioneers who
  3. 0:10have explored a world too small to see.
  4. 0:16What they found there has answered some
  5. 0:18eternal questions.
  6. 0:21What is life? How is it made? Why are
  7. 0:24children like their parents?
  8. 0:27Their work has triggered a revolution
  9. 0:29that may make the iron and silicon
  10. 0:31revolutions seem like footnotes in human
  11. 0:34history. This series is their story. The
  12. 0:38story of the people who unlocked the
  13. 0:41secret of life.
  14. 0:43[Music]
  15. 0:56[Music]
  16. 1:09This is DNA.
  17. 1:11What it actually looks like according to
  18. 1:13the latest scientific data.
  19. 1:17It is without doubt the most powerful
  20. 1:19substance on Earth. The order of its
  21. 1:22chemicals determines whether a child has
  22. 1:24her mother's eyes or her father's smile.
  23. 1:30Until 50 years ago, almost no one knew
  24. 1:33of its existence. But that all changed
  25. 1:35when two unknown scientists ran into a
  26. 1:37pub in Cambridge shouting that they'd
  27. 1:39found the secret of life. Jim Watson and
  28. 1:43Francis Crick.
  29. 1:47[Music]
  30. 1:52If you go to Cambridge and walk around
  31. 1:54the grand old buildings, you'll hear of
  32. 1:57the achievements of Francis Bacon,
  33. 1:59Alfred Lord Tennyson, and Isaac Newton.
  34. 2:04But if you ask about Watson and Crick,
  35. 2:06you'll hear rumors of improper behavior,
  36. 2:09skull duggery,
  37. 2:11even plagiarism.
  38. 2:15But what if you go to the people
  39. 2:16themselves? What do they have to say?
  40. 2:22Francis Crick lives in a house on the
  41. 2:24edge of the Mojave Desert in California,
  42. 2:26and he's become a little reclusive when
  43. 2:28it comes to discussing DNA. Some say
  44. 2:31it's because he's ill. Others say he
  45. 2:33finds the whole subject uncomfortable.
  46. 2:36Or maybe he's just busy with his more
  47. 2:37recent work, studying the chemical
  48. 2:39nature of dreams. Whatever the reason,
  49. 2:43he no longer gives interviews.
  50. 2:46But Jim Watson does.
  51. 2:51Today, he's a 74year-old world famous
  52. 2:55multi-millionaire,
  53. 2:57but he was just a 25year-old junior
  54. 3:00researcher when he explained life in
  55. 3:02scientific terms.
  56. 3:11Still all these years later, one gets a
  57. 3:13sense of the brash young man who was
  58. 3:15planning to overthrow the old ways of
  59. 3:18thinking.
  60. 3:23You if you looked at Cambridge, you
  61. 3:24know, we were products of God and uh
  62. 3:28Darwin wasn't uh celebrated as the most
  63. 3:31important person.
  64. 3:34[Music]
  65. 3:37the statement that uh life could be
  66. 3:40understood finally in terms of
  67. 3:42molecules. Uh people would say it was
  68. 3:44hypothesis
  69. 3:46you know until you could explain
  70. 3:49heredity in terms of molecules someone
  71. 3:51could always say there was something
  72. 3:52else. So Francis and I went united as
  73. 3:56you just thought religion was wrong.
  74. 4:00Not necessarily silly but wrong.
  75. 4:04There was no God and uh you know humans
  76. 4:08had to make our own rules and not just
  77. 4:12obey rules because someone said they
  78. 4:14came from God.
  79. 4:16You realize that you know
  80. 4:21the people you know thought we were
  81. 4:23slightly crazy
  82. 4:26but uh we didn't think we were. We
  83. 4:29thought the other people were dull.
  84. 4:33Dull or not, the other people at
  85. 4:35Cambridge didn't hold up much hope of
  86. 4:37Watson and Crick doing anything at all,
  87. 4:39let alone finding the secret of life.
  88. 4:42Watson, the awkward American kid, and
  89. 4:44Crick, a splendid talker who had never
  90. 4:47quite managed to finish his PhD. They
  91. 4:50were seen as lazy jokers.
  92. 4:53To appreciate what they did, we have to
  93. 4:56imagine ourselves in the 1950s when all
  94. 4:59that was known about life was what could
  95. 5:01be seen down a microscope.
  96. 5:04Cells dividing.
  97. 5:06They could somehow magically divide to
  98. 5:08form plants or panthers or people. But
  99. 5:12how? There had to be some kind of script
  100. 5:15or instructions telling the cells what
  101. 5:18to do.
  102. 5:19And it had to be here in the
  103. 5:21chromosomes.
  104. 5:23It was known that chromosomes were made
  105. 5:25of two discrete ingredients called
  106. 5:27proteins and DNA.
  107. 5:30Most people expected to find the answer
  108. 5:32in the proteins.
  109. 5:35Proteins are very complex and made up of
  110. 5:37many different chemicals.
  111. 5:40So they distracted the best minds.
  112. 5:44But Watson and Crick decided to look at
  113. 5:46the simpler DNA.
  114. 5:48DNA is composed of only four
  115. 5:50ingredients.
  116. 5:53They thought if they could work out how
  117. 5:54the atoms of these four ingredients were
  118. 5:56arranged in physical space, they might
  119. 5:59be able to work out what they did.
  120. 6:02They had a hunch that the
  121. 6:04three-dimensional structure might reveal
  122. 6:07its function.
  123. 6:09But while Watson and Crick had never
  124. 6:11found the structure of anything, 60 mi
  125. 6:14away in London, there were another pair
  126. 6:16of scientists who had.
  127. 6:19Rosalyn Franklin has been called the
  128. 6:22dark lady of DNA.
  129. 6:24She died without ever getting the credit
  130. 6:26for her part in the discovery.
  131. 6:29Some say she was betrayed by her
  132. 6:31colleague at King's College London.
  133. 6:33[Music]
  134. 6:38If you go to Kings along a remote
  135. 6:41corridor and down these stairs,
  136. 6:4450 years on, you'll still find her
  137. 6:47colleague,
  138. 6:48[Music]
  139. 6:50Morris Wilkins.
  140. 6:52[Music]
  141. 6:56On the walls of his office are clues
  142. 6:59which hint at what he's been through.
  143. 7:05During the Second World War, he helped
  144. 7:08to create the atom bomb.
  145. 7:11The night it was dropped on Hiroshima,
  146. 7:14he was at a party celebrating the
  147. 7:16culmination of his work when a man came
  148. 7:19up to him and said something that would
  149. 7:21change his life.
  150. 7:24>> It was being Monday when the bomb went
  151. 7:25off and he said, "I call it Black
  152. 7:30Monday. I always hoped it wouldn't work.
  153. 7:35So
  154. 7:37I sort of stood there and felt a bit
  155. 7:39small
  156. 7:40and uh then said, "Yes, I think you
  157. 7:43think you're quite right."
  158. 7:46But it did work. And so we are living
  159. 7:51uh kind of in the aftermath of that.
  160. 7:57Disillusioned with the science of death,
  161. 8:00he chose the science of life instead.
  162. 8:03And that's why he chose to look for the
  163. 8:05structure of DNA.
  164. 8:07>> Well, here is one of the X-ray
  165. 8:09generators we're using in this work.
  166. 8:12Here is the X-ray tube.
  167. 8:14>> Wilkins strange contraption is in fact a
  168. 8:16kind of camera.
  169. 8:19>> It's a technique called X-ray
  170. 8:20crystalallography.
  171. 8:23A crystalline form of DNA is placed
  172. 8:25inside the camera and when X-rays are
  173. 8:28fired through it, they scatter onto
  174. 8:30photographic paper and form a regular
  175. 8:32pattern.
  176. 8:34It's a bit like shining a spotlight at a
  177. 8:37chandelier.
  178. 8:40Light hits the crystals and then
  179. 8:42defracts onto the wall. Now imagine you
  180. 8:45can't see the chandelier and you can
  181. 8:47just see the light on the wall.
  182. 8:50From that you have to guess the shape of
  183. 8:52the chandelier
  184. 8:54and that's what these photographs are
  185. 8:57taken by Morris Wilkins. They were the
  186. 9:00first clue to the structure of DNA.
  187. 9:03But his boss realized he was on to
  188. 9:05something big and decided to bring in an
  189. 9:08expert, Rosalyn Franklin. And suddenly
  190. 9:11it wasn't just Wilkins taking
  191. 9:13photographs of DNA.
  192. 9:16So Watson and Crick were in Cambridge.
  193. 9:19Wilkins and Franklin were in London,
  194. 9:22but there was someone else lurking out
  195. 9:24there. Someone with a formidable
  196. 9:26reputation,
  197. 9:28an American called Lionus Pauling.
  198. 9:32He died years ago, but his son was
  199. 9:34involved, too. And we found him in the
  200. 9:37middle of Wales, miles from the nearest
  201. 9:40town.
  202. 9:42In this house is Peter Pauling.
  203. 9:46It's very often in science that that the
  204. 9:49times are right and people have
  205. 9:52different people have the same idea,
  206. 9:57you know, at roughly the same time
  207. 10:00and getting in first somehow is
  208. 10:03important.
  209. 10:05>> Although they didn't all realize it,
  210. 10:07these five characters were in a race.
  211. 10:10Peter Pauling knew them all and watched
  212. 10:12this piece of history unfold. His father
  213. 10:15had the best credentials, a double Nobel
  214. 10:17Prize winner.
  215. 10:18>> P did very few things by accident. He
  216. 10:22did things.
  217. 10:25He had a reason for doing things.
  218. 10:29Tapa DNA was just
  219. 10:34a substance like sodium chloride.
  220. 10:40Lionus Pauling looked for the structures
  221. 10:42of many molecules and he usually found
  222. 10:45them too. That's why in the world of
  223. 10:471950s science he was one of the most
  224. 10:50recognizable figures.
  225. 10:51>> I like to
  226. 10:54understand the world. I like to learn
  227. 10:57about new ideas but I also uh like very
  228. 11:01much uh having new ideas myself or
  229. 11:04making discoveries myself. This pleases
  230. 11:07me immensely.
  231. 11:10He had a different approach. He was
  232. 11:12going to guess the structure by building
  233. 11:15ball and spoke models.
  234. 11:17The balls represent the atoms. The
  235. 11:20spokes are how far apart they must be
  236. 11:22from each other according to the laws of
  237. 11:24physics. So Linus Pauling would then try
  238. 11:27to see how they fitted together.
  239. 11:31Solving a structure this way was like
  240. 11:34doing a three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle.
  241. 11:38So Watson and Crick had a choice to do
  242. 11:41the painstaking X-ray work or try their
  243. 11:43luck building models like Linus Pauling.
  244. 11:46For them the choice was simple.
  245. 11:49>> To build models,
  246. 11:51it was only a question when you started
  247. 11:52to build models. Would you do it after
  248. 11:55you collected
  249. 11:57years of experimental data or would you
  250. 12:00try and build the the model with a
  251. 12:03minimal data?
  252. 12:06So they went for model building with the
  253. 12:08minimum of data. Some might say a more
  254. 12:11leisurely approach, but that was the
  255. 12:14Cambridge style.
  256. 12:17And Watson and Crick seemed to be the
  257. 12:19epitome of that, whiling away the hours,
  258. 12:23chatting about the secret of life.
  259. 12:25>> People would laugh at us and say, "Oh,
  260. 12:27we weren't doing experiments. Just take
  261. 12:29these long walks and lunch and uh
  262. 12:32constantly talking." Instead of
  263. 12:35experimentally happy days,
  264. 12:41>> people see you do no experiments. It was
  265. 12:44sort of thought, you know, we were
  266. 12:45parasites. Other people did the work and
  267. 12:47we got the glory. Uh
  268. 12:51but the truth was, you know, uh uh
  269. 12:54complicated.
  270. 12:56>> In fact, Watson and Crick were asking
  271. 12:58all the right questions.
  272. 13:02What was common to all forms of life
  273. 13:06and uh
  274. 13:08what finally seemed to be common to all
  275. 13:09forms of life was
  276. 13:12there was a script.
  277. 13:15We had been thinking it was DNA but we
  278. 13:18didn't know the shape of the script and
  279. 13:20uh always the big problem was the
  280. 13:22copying. Who copied it? There weren't
  281. 13:23any, you know, little monks inside the
  282. 13:26cell copying the script.
  283. 13:31By not getting bogged down in the
  284. 13:33details of experiments, their minds were
  285. 13:35free to concentrate on the big ideas.
  286. 13:39Their constant talking was in fact a way
  287. 13:41for them to distill their theories.
  288. 13:47Three teams, three different approaches,
  289. 13:49and Watson and Crick weren't the
  290. 13:51favorites.
  291. 13:52>> I would say that
  292. 13:55Watson and Crick were number two.
  293. 13:59And at that time I would put my money on
  294. 14:03this crowd.
  295. 14:06[Music]
  296. 14:20King's College London should have been
  297. 14:22the ideal place to study DNA.
  298. 14:25But trouble was brewing.
  299. 14:27While Moraurice Wilkins blended into the
  300. 14:29shadows, Rosalyn Franklin was making a
  301. 14:32big impression on those around her.
  302. 14:34>> She was uh of of medium height and had
  303. 14:39black hair which she wore straight uh
  304. 14:42just in in no particular arrangement,
  305. 14:46but she had the most startling dark eyes
  306. 14:50which showed the intense nature of her
  307. 14:53personality.
  308. 14:55Most of the young men who worked with
  309. 14:57her were half in love with her.
  310. 15:00>> One of these young men was Raymond
  311. 15:02Gosling.
  312. 15:03At the time, he was a lowly lab
  313. 15:05assistant working for Roslin Franklin.
  314. 15:08>> Looking back on it, I think I was very
  315. 15:10privileged to have been there. Uh, I
  316. 15:14only wish I had known at the time that
  317. 15:18it was that important. I might have
  318. 15:20remembered more or worked harder and who
  319. 15:23knows I might have tried building a few
  320. 15:25models secretly.
  321. 15:27Model building was in the air. But her
  322. 15:30view was you could build models all day.
  323. 15:33But how did you prove which one was
  324. 15:34right? On the other hand, if you made
  325. 15:37the measurements, you did all the
  326. 15:38corrective geometry and you put them
  327. 15:41into the equations, you would let the
  328. 15:44data speak for itself.
  329. 15:46And out of that would come a definitive
  330. 15:49structure.
  331. 15:51>> But there was a problem. Wilkins was
  332. 15:53under the impression that DNA was his
  333. 15:55project, but their boss had told
  334. 15:58Franklin it was hers.
  335. 16:00>> No mention was ever made of the fact
  336. 16:03that Wilkins was the overarching
  337. 16:07uh person concerned in the lab. She
  338. 16:11certainly felt she was coming in, she
  339. 16:13was taking over that defraction work.
  340. 16:19So at opposite ends of the corridor,
  341. 16:22Morris Wilkins and Rosalyn Franklin
  342. 16:24worked on DNA.
  343. 16:27Occasionally, they would announce their
  344. 16:28results to the department.
  345. 16:32One afternoon in November 1951, Franklin
  346. 16:36was to reveal her latest DNA data to a
  347. 16:38select group of King's College
  348. 16:40scientists
  349. 16:42and one outsider.
  350. 16:46Well, this is where I came in
  351. 16:49early November 1951 to hear Roslin
  352. 16:53Franklin talk about her newest results
  353. 16:56on DNA.
  354. 16:58And uh I was terribly keen to know what
  355. 17:02she'd done because uh
  356. 17:05I wanted to build a model and I thought
  357. 17:07I would learn possibly something about
  358. 17:10the structure. There was probably, you
  359. 17:12know, 30 people in the room and, you
  360. 17:14know, I slipped in, you know, was
  361. 17:16inside, you know, like a spy and, uh,
  362. 17:20Roslin, you know, was seemingly much in
  363. 17:23control.
  364. 17:25I totally never took notes. My memory
  365. 17:27was good.
  366. 17:31Having taken in as much as he could of
  367. 17:33the X-ray data, Watson rushed back to
  368. 17:35Cambridge to tell Crick what he'd heard.
  369. 17:39For the next two weeks, they worked on a
  370. 17:41model. And on the 28th of November,
  371. 17:431951, Watson and Crick announced that
  372. 17:46they had found the structure of DNA.
  373. 17:49[Music]
  374. 17:54Francis rang me up and said, "We made a
  375. 17:57model. Come have a look." So, I went to
  376. 18:00the others and collected. We all went
  377. 18:02up.
  378. 18:03>> It was a pretty ugly structure. Francis
  379. 18:05liked that. I don't know. you know, he
  380. 18:07called up the people at Kings and said
  381. 18:09we' done something clever and uh
  382. 18:12I was a bit worried.
  383. 18:14>> Feeling apprehensive, the King's team
  384. 18:16left for Cambridge. Rosalyn Franklin
  385. 18:19took one look at the model and
  386. 18:21>> she laughed at them. Uh much to their
  387. 18:25discomfort, I think, had said, "Oh,
  388. 18:27look, you've got it inside out."
  389. 18:30>> Watson's memory had let him down over
  390. 18:32the amount of water in her DNA data. The
  391. 18:35water content is vital to the structure.
  392. 18:38So, their model was a complete disaster.
  393. 18:40>> Roslin was tickled pink. She was right.
  394. 18:45The building of a model of a crystal
  395. 18:47structure was a waste of time until
  396. 18:50you'd let defraction speak for itself.
  397. 18:52And that was hard work.
  398. 18:56I don't know. I mean, um, one might say,
  399. 18:58well, why not? You mean it is an
  400. 19:00exploration to make a model. I mean,
  401. 19:03make a model and if you make a bit of a
  402. 19:05fool yourself in the process, why worry?
  403. 19:07You might be be lucky.
  404. 19:11>> Well, strange thing about science is how
  405. 19:13stupid people can be so much of the
  406. 19:15time. And uh so Francis and I were
  407. 19:20really stupid.
  408. 19:23Worse than that, they had incurred the
  409. 19:25wrath of the London team's boss, Sir
  410. 19:27John Randall, who called up Watson and
  411. 19:30Crick's boss, Sir Lawrence Bragg, to
  412. 19:32complain about their behavior. And Bragg
  413. 19:35was furious. In those days, it wasn't
  414. 19:37gentlemanly to have knowledge of
  415. 19:40somebody's current unpublished work and
  416. 19:42to make use of that working on the same
  417. 19:45problem. It was rather like having an
  418. 19:48affair with his wife. I mean, it
  419. 19:50happened, but you uh you you didn't
  420. 19:52really take much credit in doing it.
  421. 19:56>> Watson and Crick were kicked off the
  422. 19:58case, and even their model building
  423. 20:00equipment was sent to Kings.
  424. 20:03>> When we gave it up, we gave them the
  425. 20:05jigs for making models, and they didn't
  426. 20:08build any. So, they never took on what
  427. 20:13we had failed to do.
  428. 20:16Watson and Crick were officially out of
  429. 20:18the race.
  430. 20:23The way should have been open for the
  431. 20:25King's College team, but one thing stood
  432. 20:28in their path.
  433. 20:31Morris and Rosalind didn't get on.
  434. 20:35Why couldn't these two characters
  435. 20:36resolve their differences?
  436. 20:39Morris was so shy that when he was
  437. 20:43talking to you and he didn't know you,
  438. 20:45he habitually talked at an angle. So,
  439. 20:49you might find that you were addressing
  440. 20:50the back of his head. I think scientists
  441. 20:52in particular tend to be rather uh
  442. 20:57um
  443. 21:00well, I don't know, sort of bottled up
  444. 21:02with um serious thoughts and uh and uh
  445. 21:07wonderful theories that uh
  446. 21:10and uh the secret of life or something.
  447. 21:14He would slide into a room and and and
  448. 21:17and mumble something and be very
  449. 21:20diffident about it. He was never going
  450. 21:21to come in and say, "Well, I'm glad
  451. 21:23you've joined my team." Uh, and and and
  452. 21:25say, "This is the way we do it." Spit
  453. 21:27spot bang. Uh, which had he done would
  454. 21:31have cleared the air.
  455. 21:32>> You know, a number of these,
  456. 21:34>> you know, he wasn't able to talk to her.
  457. 21:36>> I think there a number of people.
  458. 21:38>> Rosen was extraordinarily intelligent.
  459. 21:41Now, for that reason, she frightened the
  460. 21:44average bloke. I'm sure
  461. 21:47>> today Rosalyn Franklin is an icon.
  462. 21:50Outside a building for female students
  463. 21:52named after her. There's a statue of
  464. 21:55her.
  465. 21:57To get a better sense of what she was
  466. 21:59like, we asked her sister, who
  467. 22:01apparently sounds similar to Rosalind,
  468. 22:04to read a letter she wrote to their
  469. 22:05religious father. She argues for the
  470. 22:08importance of science in understanding
  471. 22:10the world.
  472. 22:12Science for me gives a partial
  473. 22:14explanation of life. In so far as it
  474. 22:17goes, it is based on fact, experience,
  475. 22:19and experiment.
  476. 22:21Your theories are those which you and
  477. 22:23many other people find easiest and
  478. 22:25pleasantest to believe. But as far as I
  479. 22:27can see, they have no foundation other
  480. 22:30than that they lead to a pleasant view
  481. 22:31of life and an exaggerated view of our
  482. 22:34own importance.
  483. 22:36Anyone able to believe in all that
  484. 22:38religion implies obviously must have
  485. 22:40such faith. But I maintain that faith in
  486. 22:42this world is perfectly possible without
  487. 22:44faith in another world.
  488. 22:51Um the picture to me seemed to say
  489. 22:54something about Rosalind. Rosalind has
  490. 22:58um sometimes seemed a bit sort of heavy
  491. 23:03in appearance at the I mean not always
  492. 23:06but sometimes. And I I thought, well, it
  493. 23:10would have been nice if uh uh she'd been
  494. 23:13able to sort of trip around on her toes
  495. 23:16and and uh look uh pretty and and
  496. 23:22cheerful.
  497. 23:25But I think it was it was very sad
  498. 23:27because
  499. 23:29uh we had thought we might be all able
  500. 23:31to join together, you see, in the
  501. 23:33scientific work.
  502. 23:36Um,
  503. 23:39it's uh
  504. 23:43that two sides to the the the the whole
  505. 23:46thing.
  506. 23:49[Music]
  507. 23:57Back in Cambridge, Watson was down in
  508. 23:59the dumps, banned from working on DNA.
  509. 24:03His dream of showing it was the secret
  510. 24:05of life was slipping away. But Crick had
  511. 24:08some good news. Someone was coming to
  512. 24:11dinner in Cambridge who could help them.
  513. 24:21>> Your favorite.
  514. 24:22>> Win Sharaf had never wanted to help
  515. 24:24Watson and Crick.
  516. 24:26Even at 96 years old, he was still
  517. 24:29bitter about what had happened.
  518. 24:33Shaf was an expert in the chemistry of
  519. 24:35DNA.
  520. 24:37Over dinner, Watson and Crick tried to
  521. 24:39plum him for information. They were
  522. 24:42fishing really. But that I get the
  523. 24:45impression
  524. 24:47they did all the time. I think Watson
  525. 24:49really was a fisherman. I mean, he he
  526. 24:53sort of brought the news to Crick. Crick
  527. 24:56was apparently the man who had the
  528. 24:58ideas. Well, I think we didn't like him
  529. 25:00because he
  530. 25:03sort of didn't, you know, warm up to our
  531. 25:06saying, you know, you could solve the
  532. 25:07structure of DNA by model building. You
  533. 25:10know,
  534. 25:10>> they both showed an extreme contempt for
  535. 25:13chemistry. That was what struck me. They
  536. 25:16were more like children in their
  537. 25:18behavior.
  538. 25:19>> You know, he was just a born enemy.
  539. 25:26Despite his extreme dislike for them, he
  540. 25:29did explain his charge rules that state
  541. 25:31the relative amounts of the four basic
  542. 25:33ingredients of DNA. By comparing samples
  543. 25:36from three different species, he
  544. 25:38discovered a strange correlation.
  545. 25:41No matter what the life form, the amount
  546. 25:43of A equal the amount of T and the
  547. 25:46amount of C equal the amount of G. This
  548. 25:49suggested the chemicals somehow went
  549. 25:51together in pairs. For Shaggaf, this was
  550. 25:54an interesting correlation, but for
  551. 25:55Watson and Crick, it was the first clue
  552. 25:58to the structure.
  553. 26:00>> I think DNA to him was yeah, an
  554. 26:04objective whose time had not yet come.
  555. 26:07[Music]
  556. 26:20Oh, here on on this table here.
  557. 26:25>> Oh, yes. Good. Yes. There's a unicam.
  558. 26:28Excellent.
  559. 26:30>> On this desk is the original equipment
  560. 26:33that helped reveal the structure of DNA.
  561. 26:36>> So, this is the first camera. This is
  562. 26:39the the first DNA.
  563. 26:40>> It's worth a fortune today.
  564. 26:43I mean, putting them in a frame like
  565. 26:45that, they look much better than just
  566. 26:46sort of lying on a table, don't they?
  567. 26:48The X-rays go in here. Photographic film
  568. 26:52is put on the inside here. Then that is
  569. 26:55put down around the the
  570. 26:59we
  571. 26:59>> like everything with Morris,
  572. 27:01>> there's more to it than meets the eye.
  573. 27:03>> Now, you want to say something about
  574. 27:05these? These are smallcale models.
  575. 27:08Morris had also wanted to build models
  576. 27:10based on the X-ray data,
  577. 27:13>> but Rosalind had all the best DNA
  578. 27:15samples,
  579. 27:17>> and they weren't talking. No one else at
  580. 27:19Kings really had the imagination to help
  581. 27:22him.
  582. 27:26>> At Kings, if anybody did perhaps see the
  583. 27:30overarching picture, Wilkins did because
  584. 27:34he often said, you know, we should all
  585. 27:36wake up. We should all try a number of
  586. 27:39different things instead of plotting
  587. 27:40along trying to solve the X-ray
  588. 27:42defraction pattern because we are in a
  589. 27:44race. It is an important problem and
  590. 27:48there are other people I mean there was
  591. 27:50this bogeyman sitting in America called
  592. 27:53Lionus Ping who already had two Nobel
  593. 27:56prizes not one and he was thinking about
  594. 27:59it. By now Lionus Pauling had turned his
  595. 28:02full attention to DNA. Suspiciously,
  596. 28:06this coincided with a certain young
  597. 28:07playboy traveling all the way from
  598. 28:09America to work in Watson and Crick's
  599. 28:12office. In those days, Lionus had a son
  600. 28:14who was about uh the same age as Watson
  601. 28:18and knew Watson and and uh Ping came
  602. 28:21across and came to our lab and he went
  603. 28:23and stayed with Watson and Crick
  604. 28:28and uh I think he put the fear of God
  605. 28:31into them that dad was thinking about
  606. 28:34this.
  607. 28:36I had to feel what was he doing in the
  608. 28:39laboratory of his uh father's big
  609. 28:41competitor.
  610. 28:42>> I was accused of being a double agent,
  611. 28:45but uh
  612. 28:48I don't accept that because I'd write to
  613. 28:51P and just say what I'm doing and he'd
  614. 28:55write back, you know, what he was
  615. 28:57interested in.
  616. 28:59>> And P was not only writing back to
  617. 29:01Peter, he was busy writing other
  618. 29:02letters, too. I wrote to Wilkins at
  619. 29:07King's College asking uh if I could have
  620. 29:11prints of the photographs that he had
  621. 29:13obtained, but I my effort was not
  622. 29:15successful.
  623. 29:17>> By now, King's College had this X
  624. 29:19pattern, which indicates that DNA is a
  625. 29:21spiral or helix shape. It was Rosalyn
  626. 29:24Franklin's best photo yet, but she
  627. 29:26wasn't letting anyone else see it. So,
  628. 29:29Pauling never saw the X. could he have
  629. 29:32come up with the right answer without
  630. 29:34seeing the king's data? Of course, I
  631. 29:37hoped he couldn't. Uh it wasn't until,
  632. 29:42you know, about the last day of January
  633. 29:44that Peter came in after lunch and uh
  634. 29:48had a manuscript. I had a letter from my
  635. 29:50father in December 52 saying he had
  636. 29:54proposed a structure for DNA. So I told
  637. 29:58the boys, "Oh, they rushed over and
  638. 30:01>> my stomach sank and I, you know, I was
  639. 30:03scared to death. So what was going to be
  640. 30:05in it?" Opened it and read it and they
  641. 30:08discovered, you know, that it it it
  642. 30:13was wrong.
  643. 30:16>> We wonder what got into Lionus.
  644. 30:21Pauling's model not only didn't fit the
  645. 30:24data, it also failed to explain anything
  646. 30:27about what DNA did. He had blundered by
  647. 30:31trying to get the structure with too
  648. 30:33little information.
  649. 30:36It wasn't any ambigu as to whether Lus
  650. 30:39was right or wrong. He said Lus is
  651. 30:41wrong. It's you know. So we were both
  652. 30:44pleased and a bit scared because maybe
  653. 30:47someone at Caltech group will tell
  654. 30:48Lionus this is chemical nonsense.
  655. 30:51Little did we know that you know no one
  656. 30:53at Caltech really had the courage to
  657. 30:55tell Lionus he was wrong. Lionus was
  658. 30:57like the pope. Lionus wasn't used to
  659. 30:59people saying he was wrong.
  660. 31:01>> So I've had a very fortunate life.
  661. 31:04>> I thought the people at kings should be
  662. 31:07relieved. So without being asked, I
  663. 31:09thought, well, just take the manuscript
  664. 31:11down to uh the kings.
  665. 31:14I was just bubbling over with the fact
  666. 31:15that we had another chance.
  667. 31:18Pauling had got it wrong and we should
  668. 31:21go into action fast.
  669. 31:24[Music]
  670. 31:36So, I went down and looked for Morris
  671. 31:38and didn't spot him. And someone told me
  672. 31:40where Roslin's office was. So, I went
  673. 31:42toward it and uh walked in.
  674. 31:47She wasn't there.
  675. 31:50I wasn't trying to read the letters on
  676. 31:52her desk or anything like that, but
  677. 31:53obviously I was looking around and she
  678. 31:55came in. Someone had told her that I was
  679. 31:58looking for her. She had a very negative
  680. 32:00reaction to me. Fury was rising. She
  681. 32:03didn't think I should be there. So, I
  682. 32:05got out of the room as fast as possible.
  683. 32:07And then Morris Wilkins had heard I was
  684. 32:10around. And there he was. And I said,
  685. 32:12"Oh, I I thought she was going to hit
  686. 32:14me." And he said, "Oh, I thought she was
  687. 32:15going to do that to me once." And uh so
  688. 32:19I went to he took me to his office and
  689. 32:22opened the drawer and took out a photo
  690. 32:24and there it was the cross which I had
  691. 32:27never seen and which they had basically
  692. 32:30weren't talking about. It it showed this
  693. 32:34sort of uh X type of um oxo type of um
  694. 32:40cross pattern which was an indication of
  695. 32:42a helix.
  696. 32:45>> Is that a big guy? I mean, it was the
  697. 32:48most beautiful photograph. You know,
  698. 32:50it's as if you see the most beautiful
  699. 32:52girl in the world and you're going to
  700. 32:54see her again. You know, it was great.
  701. 32:56>> If I got excited about the results, I'd
  702. 33:00to pass them on.
  703. 33:02I don't know. I think it uh I didn't
  704. 33:04feel there was any sort of bombshell in
  705. 33:06this.
  706. 33:09Well, the picture kept sort of racing
  707. 33:12through my brain and uh I wanted to be
  708. 33:15sure I had it right, so I wrote it down.
  709. 33:17It was just a
  710. 33:20a super reflection at 3.4 angstroms and
  711. 33:24boom boom boom. No one could look at it
  712. 33:27and say it's not a helix.
  713. 33:28>> And the reason that Watson realized that
  714. 33:30it was a helix,
  715. 33:31>> so you get a cross
  716. 33:34in the defraction pattern. Well, it just
  717. 33:36so happened that Crick knew this bit of
  718. 33:38X-ray defraction theory. And I told
  719. 33:41Watson that an X indicated a helix.
  720. 33:44>> Crick's mind was able to absorb bits and
  721. 33:47pieces from all over the place. And now
  722. 33:49this was paying off for them.
  723. 33:51>> You know, I felt, you know, maybe we'll
  724. 33:54get the answer. You know, until then, I
  725. 33:56I didn't feel we were close. I felt that
  726. 33:59picture means we're close.
  727. 34:02Wilkins undoubtedly and I think if you
  728. 34:06ask him he will say that he feels that
  729. 34:08he did uh if there were any cats to be
  730. 34:11let out of any bags he he he'd done it
  731. 34:16well I suppose it's perfectly true but I
  732. 34:18think science isn't supposed to be kept
  733. 34:20in bags no more than cats I mean I don't
  734. 34:23know what he he means but uh I mean I
  735. 34:26don't like as as a scientist sort of
  736. 34:29working away and sort of saying no
  737. 34:32wasn't tell the other scientists or
  738. 34:34something. I don't think it's the way to
  739. 34:36be working. It's science ought to be an
  740. 34:39open activity and uh so you can work as
  741. 34:43as a community.
  742. 34:46Yeah. Been impossible not to build
  743. 34:48bottles in after seeing that picture.
  744. 34:53[Music]
  745. 35:06Spring came early to Cambridge in 1953.
  746. 35:10Watson and Crick had been given official
  747. 35:12permission to return to their work on
  748. 35:14DNA, and by now they'd managed to
  749. 35:17acquire all the information they needed.
  750. 35:20Franklin's photo suggested DNA was some
  751. 35:23kind of helix.
  752. 35:25Shagg's data suggested the four
  753. 35:27chemicals in DNA might go together in
  754. 35:30pairs.
  755. 35:31But what was the structure? What was
  756. 35:34DNA?
  757. 35:36The Cavendish shop was to build us some
  758. 35:38tin models and that took too long. And
  759. 35:42uh you know finally in desperation I
  760. 35:45made some out of cardboard.
  761. 35:48I sort of finished the job on Friday and
  762. 35:51didn't get back into the cavendish
  763. 35:54probably until much before 9:30 on
  764. 35:57Saturday morning.
  765. 36:01So I came in the morning and I began
  766. 36:03moving them around and I wanted an
  767. 36:05arrangement, you know, where I had a big
  768. 36:08and a small.
  769. 36:12So how did you do it? Somehow you had to
  770. 36:17to form link bonds. So here's A and
  771. 36:22here's T. And I wanted this hydrogen to
  772. 36:27point directly at this nitrogen. So I
  773. 36:28had something like this.
  774. 36:33So then I went to the the pair and
  775. 36:35wanted this nitrogen to point to this
  776. 36:37one. I went like this. Boom. They look
  777. 36:40the same.
  778. 36:43And you can put one right on top of the
  779. 36:46other.
  780. 36:48[Music]
  781. 36:54The two together make the same shape and
  782. 36:58can go on top of each other like the
  783. 37:01steps in a staircase
  784. 37:04or to form a helix,
  785. 37:06a spiral staircase.
  786. 37:13So you could have a small one, a big
  787. 37:15one, a small one, any sequence.
  788. 37:17If you knew the sequence of one, we knew
  789. 37:20the sequence of the other.
  790. 37:25We knew we could just, you know, even if
  791. 37:27we go up to the ceiling, we were
  792. 37:28building a tiny fraction of a molecule.
  793. 37:35[Music]
  794. 37:36100 million of these base pairs in one
  795. 37:40molecule. So unbelievably
  796. 37:43all united by this either AT or TA, GC,
  797. 37:48CG all fitting into this wonderful
  798. 37:51symmetry which we saw the morning of
  799. 37:54February 28th, 1953.
  800. 37:58What they had was a double helix, a
  801. 38:02structure that revealed far more about
  802. 38:04the way life works than they could ever
  803. 38:06have dreamed of.
  804. 38:08They've been looking for something that
  805. 38:09could divide just like cells do. And it
  806. 38:12was easy to see how a double helix could
  807. 38:15unwind and form two more double helixes.
  808. 38:19They've been looking to see if DNA was
  809. 38:21the script or instructions for all
  810. 38:23living things. They realized that the
  811. 38:26millions of G's, A's, T's, and C's must
  812. 38:29be written in some kind of code, the
  813. 38:32script of life. And they even saw how
  814. 38:35the script could be copied exactly.
  815. 38:38As the double helix unwinds, each of the
  816. 38:41letters forms a new pair. And because A
  817. 38:44always goes with T and G always goes
  818. 38:46with C, the resulting two pieces of DNA
  819. 38:50are exact copies of the original,
  820. 38:53enabling the script to be passed from
  821. 38:55cell to cell and ultimately from
  822. 38:57generation to generation.
  823. 39:02It was clear now DNA was the molecule
  824. 39:05that controlled all living things.
  825. 39:09Watson and Crick ran straight to the pub
  826. 39:11where the locals were going to find
  827. 39:13their news hard to believe.
  828. 39:16>> It was hard to contain the fact that,
  829. 39:18you know, maybe we had a gigantic
  830. 39:21breakthrough. We' done something really
  831. 39:24important. We had discovered the secret
  832. 39:26of life.
  833. 39:29You could say that day was the beginning
  834. 39:31of the new genetics.
  835. 39:34They had the idea, but now they wanted
  836. 39:36to check that it was right. They set
  837. 39:39about building a tin model as quickly as
  838. 39:41they could, cross-checking their
  839. 39:42coordinates with the king's data. It all
  840. 39:45fitted.
  841. 39:47Then we had to tell the people at Kings
  842. 39:49and uh
  843. 39:52we were a bit apprehensive because we
  844. 39:54didn't want to say, "Well, we've beaten
  845. 39:56you."
  846. 39:58You have to remember that I'd been up
  847. 40:00before and seen the model that was
  848. 40:01wrong.
  849. 40:03Uh,
  850. 40:05and that gave us a buzz and a high. And
  851. 40:07then you go up there and you see this
  852. 40:09thing. It looked right when you saw it.
  853. 40:13It was so brilliantly,
  854. 40:16elegantly
  855. 40:18simple. I thought, "Oh my god, we got
  856. 40:21scooped."
  857. 40:22Because I really thought we were going
  858. 40:24to come up with something like that
  859. 40:26ourselves.
  860. 40:28It was terrible, you know, poor Morris.
  861. 40:31>> I I said that the double helix was a uh
  862. 40:36somewhat similar to a a young baby
  863. 40:41standing there all alive and saying, "I
  864. 40:44I don't care uh what you say or what you
  865. 40:48think. Um I know I am right."
  866. 40:54Rosalyn would have been appalled to
  867. 40:57learn
  868. 40:59that they had taken quite so much
  869. 41:03uh detail of her current work and put it
  870. 41:07into their model.
  871. 41:08>> I thought you know we behaved as sort of
  872. 41:11the
  873. 41:12average person would behave and uh we
  874. 41:15just thought the people at Kings haven't
  875. 41:17done the obvious thing. Why didn't they
  876. 41:19try using their data with asking what
  877. 41:23the molecule wanted to do?
  878. 41:27Rosalyn Franklin kept her distance from
  879. 41:29the other characters in this story. She
  880. 41:32spent her time working alone in her lab.
  881. 41:36People have wondered how close she got
  882. 41:38to finding the structure of DNA. The
  883. 41:40only way to know is to visit this
  884. 41:42archive in Cambridge where her notebooks
  885. 41:45are kept. Her notes suggest that she
  886. 41:48nearly got there. In one of her final
  887. 41:51entries, she is thinking in terms of a
  888. 41:53twochain or double helix,
  889. 41:57but that's as far as she got. She died
  890. 42:00just 5 years later without ever being
  891. 42:02told the extent to which Watson and
  892. 42:04Crick used her data. And when the Nobel
  893. 42:07Prizes were awarded for the discovery,
  894. 42:09she didn't get one because Nobel prizes
  895. 42:11aren't awarded postuously.
  896. 42:15People that knew her say that what she
  897. 42:17cared about most was that her work moved
  898. 42:20science forward. It was one of the few
  899. 42:23things she had in common with Morris
  900. 42:25Wilkins. Without their work, Watson and
  901. 42:28Crick could not have built this model.
  902. 42:31And the model was just the beginning.
  903. 42:35Over the next two decades, scientists
  904. 42:37delved into the molecular world of DNA
  905. 42:40and discovered how it actually controls
  906. 42:42life. But the person who did more than
  907. 42:45anyone to unravel its mysteries was a
  908. 42:48genius called Francis Crick.
  909. 42:52Today he's at the Sulk Institute,
  910. 42:54California. In one interview he did talk
  911. 42:57about what for him came after the double
  912. 42:59helix. It involves thinking beyond what
  913. 43:02he calls the narrow limits of normal
  914. 43:05human experience.
  915. 43:07Now when you want to understand the
  916. 43:09world you have to go you have to go
  917. 43:11beyond those narrow limits both in up
  918. 43:14and down both in space and time and then
  919. 43:16you find that there's a uniformity and
  920. 43:19extraordinary things happening which you
  921. 43:20had no idea of just looking at the world
  922. 43:23and it's this is the fascination of
  923. 43:24science really I think to uncover so
  924. 43:27much which is not apparent just in
  925. 43:30everyday life.
  926. 43:34Today we can see the molecular world.
  927. 43:38This is a computer representation of DNA
  928. 43:41based on accurate data.
  929. 43:44It's a long way from ball and spoke
  930. 43:46model building.
  931. 43:49What was apparent was that everything in
  932. 43:51the molecular world is more strange and
  933. 43:54sophisticated than anyone had thought.
  934. 43:57>> Biological systems are the result of
  935. 44:00evolution and they produce very
  936. 44:01complicated things. Now the reason that
  937. 44:04DNA look looks so beautiful and simple
  938. 44:06is it goes right back to near the
  939. 44:08origins of life where things had to be
  940. 44:11simple but if you actually look at the
  941. 44:13actual process of DNA replication
  942. 44:16it isn't at all the way that it we used
  943. 44:18to describe all sorts of funny things
  944. 44:21happen you have to have proteins which
  945. 44:23will unwind the helix and nick it and
  946. 44:25then join it together again you get an
  947. 44:28enormously barack complicated
  948. 44:31apparatus which one might say molecular
  949. 44:34gadgetry which actually does the job.
  950. 44:37>> This is how the chemical code of DNA
  951. 44:40copies itself. But Crick was focusing on
  952. 44:43what the DNA code ultimately did and
  953. 44:46that involved unpicking the gadgets of
  954. 44:48the molecular world.
  955. 44:50>> What's sometimes called reverse
  956. 44:52engineering, it happens in the in the
  957. 44:54commercial world when one firm produces
  958. 44:57a gadget and another firm buys it and
  959. 44:59tries to take it to pieces and find how
  960. 45:01it works. That's called reverse
  961. 45:03engineering. But in our case, it's
  962. 45:05reverse engineering what you might call
  963. 45:07a foreign culture.
  964. 45:10>> As a result of that process, it's
  965. 45:12possible to see how DNA makes living
  966. 45:15things. How a simple code is turned into
  967. 45:18flesh and blood.
  968. 45:23The blue molecule racing down the DNA
  969. 45:26unzips the double helix and copies one
  970. 45:29of the two strands.
  971. 45:32This copy is then released for the next
  972. 45:34stage of the process.
  973. 45:40The yellow copy feeds into another
  974. 45:43machine which deciphers the code and
  975. 45:46orders up the right components one unit
  976. 45:48at a time from the surrounding chemical
  977. 45:51soup.
  978. 45:56The product of this machine is protein.
  979. 46:00This could be a thousandth of an
  980. 46:01eyebrow. The same process could make a
  981. 46:04tiger's claw or part of the wings of a
  982. 46:07dove. It's the same for all life.
  983. 46:11What is made is all down to the DNA, the
  984. 46:14specific order of the chemical code.
  985. 46:19And today, these machines can read the
  986. 46:21DNA code. How a person is made is being
  987. 46:25revealed. How a brain is built is being
  988. 46:28explained in the G's, A's, T's, and C's.
  989. 46:32They are beginning to read differences
  990. 46:34in our characters and personality.
  991. 46:46Um the genetics of of human nature
  992. 46:52is slowly unfolding.
  993. 46:55>> Even our story can be seen in this way.
  994. 46:58The fate of our characters determined by
  995. 47:01their individual natures.
  996. 47:04>> I thought the problem would last me my
  997. 47:06lifetime. I had no idea it would be
  998. 47:08solved within 20 years.
  999. 47:11You see, I was I mean it was
  1000. 47:13embarrassing almost to got to the stage
  1001. 47:14where instead of this problem lasting
  1002. 47:16for one's life, one had to look around
  1003. 47:18for another problem.
  1004. 47:20So now Francis Crick is trying to find
  1005. 47:22out how the brain works. He has always
  1006. 47:25just been interested in making new
  1007. 47:27discoveries.
  1008. 47:31Jim Watson is president of Cold Spring
  1009. 47:33Harbor Laboratories.
  1010. 47:35He's built a house on the grounds with a
  1011. 47:37statue of the double helix in his
  1012. 47:40garden.
  1013. 47:43He gives lectures arguing for the
  1014. 47:45benefits of genetic engineering.
  1015. 47:50There are people who say, "Well, we're
  1016. 47:52playing God."
  1017. 47:56And you know, I have a straightforward
  1018. 47:58answer. If we don't play God, who will?
  1019. 48:02Yeah.
  1020. 48:10[Music]
  1021. 48:17and Morris Wilkins couldn't be more
  1022. 48:19different.
  1023. 48:20[Music]
  1024. 48:23Having worked on the atomic bomb, he
  1025. 48:25chose to study DNA because he thought it
  1026. 48:28wouldn't be controversial.
  1027. 48:31Today, as the newspapers talk of
  1028. 48:33creating designer babies and the birth
  1029. 48:35of human clones, he lectures at King's
  1030. 48:38College London about the social
  1031. 48:40responsibility of science.
  1032. 48:43He hopes the human race will use this
  1033. 48:46knowledge wisely.
  1034. 48:49[Music]
  1035. 49:07[Music]
  1036. 49:28[Applause]
  1037. 49:29[Music]

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