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0:00Is there any reason any of their DNA
0:01would ever be true?
0:02>> No.
0:03>> No reason at all.
0:04>> It should be.
0:05>> No. Well, it shouldn't be.
0:06>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No 100%.
0:15>> On the morning of January 8th, 2017,
0:18police in Lebec, Texas were called to
0:20the carriage house in and suites on East
0:22Sllayton Road. There [music] in the
0:24motel parking lot, they found
0:2632-year-old Gabriel Lee Salazar dead
0:28[music] after a violent attack.
0:30Investigators believed his body had not
0:33simply ended up there by chance. As they
0:35worked backward from the [music] motel,
0:37the case led them to a duplex in the
0:396,500 block of Avenue Q, where they
0:42believed the violence had begun.
0:44According to the early investigation,
0:46Salazar had been attacked inside that
0:48home in a confrontation that involved a
0:50shooting, stabbing, [music] and a
0:51beating with a baseball bat.
0:53Detectives also believed he may have
0:55still been alive when he was moved from
0:57the duplex and abandoned at the motel.
0:59One of the [music] names that surfaced
1:01in the investigation was Demetrius
1:03Lights. Detectives [music] were trying
1:05to determine exactly what role he
1:06played, what he saw, and whether he was
1:09involved in the attack, [music] the
1:10transport, or both. This is the
1:12interrogation of Demetrius Lights.
1:16keys.
1:38>> You ain't got any weapons or anything on
1:39you, dude?
1:40>> Nothing dangerous on you.
1:42>> I'm sorry. I haven't had to talk to you
1:44yet. I'm sorry.
1:46>> Oh [ __ ] [clears throat]
1:47>> You've been asked that a bunch,
1:49>> huh?
1:49>> You've been asked that a bunch or
1:50something?
1:51>> Yeah.
1:53>> And you have to do like that.
1:56>> What?
1:59Boys is tight.
2:07>> What's your first name, man? Or I know
2:09your first name. It's Demetrius, right?
2:10Baseball. D I N I T R I S E
2:15>> I
2:17>> do you have a middle name?
2:18>> Devon
2:20>> I V O N
2:21>> D I V O M
2:24>> Your last name is Lex. Is that right? Is
2:25it L Y?
2:28>> L Y G Hts. Is that right? Yes. What's
2:30your birthday?
2:32>> Actually I was just born in California.
2:34I was really like born and ra I mean
2:38just raised in artist area. Oh yeah.
2:41>> Cowboys. Yeah.
2:44>> My papa. That's my That's my grandpa's
2:45number. He's been living in California
2:47like Pasadena.
2:49>> So you been for a while?
2:51>> I think we're coming on two years.
2:55>> Almost mean.
2:59>> Do you know
3:01Do you know why you arrested?
3:03>> Not necessarily.
3:05>> My understanding is you got a couple of
3:06warrants. You hear about some warrants
3:08that you had?
3:09um tickets warrants.
3:12>> My understanding possibly through
3:14through federal court or something like
3:16that. Do you have any federal cases that
3:18you want? [clears throat]
3:18>> Mm-
3:19>> No.
3:19>> No, I don't think so. Go ahead.
3:21>> Okay. We're we're going to check on
3:23that.
3:24>> Okay.
3:25>> But that's kind of what I was told. That
3:27that might not be accurate. So,
3:28>> Okay.
3:28>> So, you don't know of any?
3:30>> No, not not
3:32>> We never run over to the federal
3:33courthouse or anything like that.
3:34>> Yes, sir.
3:36>> You got You said you have some traffic
3:37tickets though. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we
3:39got trouble tickets. They turn into
3:41warrants by now.
3:42>> Out of here in a little bit.
3:44>> Nothing too crazy though.
3:46>> Negative. [snorts]
3:48>> Well,
3:50um
3:51I know this whole thing's got to be kind
3:53of crazy for you. I mean, you're at the
3:55house
3:56>> all seven show.
3:57>> Mhm.
3:59>> I know that uh
4:02well, have the deal is we've been
4:04working on a case since the weekend.
4:07Okay. Uh following up on a uh on a body
4:10that was found on Sunday and uh we just
4:13got some information about your
4:15involvement in the situation and I want
4:17to be able to talk to you about
4:18everything answering questions you've
4:21got. Okay. And I I'll be straight with
4:23you.
4:23>> Cool.
4:24>> And I just But I just want you to be
4:25straight with me, too. You know what I
4:26mean? Because I don't mind answering
4:27your questions and I hope that you'll do
4:29the same.
4:30>> Of course. Um because I want to get it
4:32all figured out in
4:36>> I certainly don't want there to be any
4:38misinformation floating around about you
4:40or
4:41>> Exactly.
4:41>> Okay. Um because because of the
4:45warrants, that's what you're under
4:47arrest for. Okay.
4:48>> Um as far as no other charges against
4:52you at this time that I know. Okay. Um
4:54>> but I'm going to read you the Miranda
4:56warrant. Have you ever heard that
4:56before? You ever been arrested before?
4:59>> Okay. and and it's just due to the fact
5:01that you're under arrest. I want you to
5:02understand what your rights are and um
5:05that you have a right if you want to
5:07talk to me that you can end that
5:08conversation whenever you please. Okay.
5:11I'm just going to read that to you real
5:12quick. [clears throat]
5:15>> You got to memorize it.
5:16>> Do I? [laughter]
5:17>> You know I do, but I still read it every
5:19time because you know that way I can
5:22make sure I get them all and that you
5:24understand them all.
5:25>> That's okay.
5:26>> You have the right to remain silent. How
5:27much can you statement at all? Any
5:28statement you make will be used against
5:30you at trial. Any statement you make may
5:32be used as evidence against you. You
5:34have the right to have a lawyer present
5:35to advise you prior to and during any
5:36questioning. If you're unable to employ
5:38a lawyer, you have the right to have a
5:39lawyer appointed to advise you prior to
5:41any question. And you have the right to
5:43terminate this interview at any time.
5:45You understand all that?
5:47>> Yeah. So,
5:48>> and and again, um what I'm wanting to
5:51talk to you about is just this other
5:52case I'm working on and some information
5:54that I've got about you. I want to make
5:56sure we get all that cleared up. Okay.
5:58But before we do that, I want to make
6:00sure that you understand all those
6:01rights and that you know, knowingly,
6:03intelligently, voluntarily wish to wave
6:06those rights to talk to me.
6:07>> Okay. Yeah, I understand. But I have one
6:09question about
6:11>> can we find out what's specific on the
6:13warrant?
6:14>> Yes.
6:15>> The T warrant
6:17>> or whatever I'm going to be at arrest
6:18for
6:20>> cuz I really don't want I don't think I
6:22was going to pay anybody. So just take
6:24that one out.
6:27the ticket wants. [snorts]
6:29>> No, anything that I have for
6:34check that out.
6:38I don't think I introduce myself. I'm
6:39Detective Bond.
6:40>> How you doing?
6:41>> Doing good, [clears throat]
6:42>> huh? Yeah.
6:45It's nice outside. It's crazy. This
6:47weather that's like freezing. Freezing
6:50out. You know what I mean?
6:51>> Exactly. This morning I had to go uh get
6:53my other baby.
6:54>> Uhhuh.
6:54>> I just looked up. this big fire.
6:57>> I didn't even have to wear a coat this
6:59morning and this weekend it's supposed
7:01to be icy mess freezing temperatures all
7:04around. So I'm like, how are you going
7:06to be 70 something for two days after
7:08snowing and then back to freezing again?
7:11>> Hey Ash, this is
7:12>> Texas22
7:17>> about a year.
7:17>> About a year. It's a lot more call on
7:21weather. I was on that call on that.
7:23>> There was
7:25at that location which part of Demetrius
7:28>> Pasadena
7:31I was born in Thousand Oaks.
7:33>> Yeah. Where's that?
7:34>> Kind of central.
7:36>> Central by LA. I know there's a bunch of
7:38them.
7:38>> Ventur County. So I think Venttor County
7:42LA County.
7:43>> I know there's a lot like a little,
7:45>> you know what I mean?
7:46LA
7:52San Francisco down to LA
7:56>> was all smoky and stuff. You know what I
7:58mean? Where you can't even see the
7:59ocean.
8:02>> Go back at least 63 of 94.
8:06>> I was one of those people like ah
8:07California can't be that good. Can't be
8:09>> I wasn't sure one hit all three. You
8:11know what I mean?
8:12>> Start up there go down. And I was like,
8:14that's amazing.
8:15>> The food is like,
8:17>> is there Taco Bell's better loses? You
8:20know what I mean?
8:22>> Everything's fresh. Everything's good.
8:23>> Yeah. Upscale.
8:25>> I appreciate really impressed with it. I
8:27mean, it's expensive, but
8:30>> just think I go out there to live, but
8:34>> who lives there on 92nd Street?
8:36>> Whose house is that?
8:38>> The mother of my child. [clears throat]
8:42I had a lot of good things to say about
8:43LA. I mean, California. LA was a little
8:45too like
8:47>> trendy, you know what I mean? Too
8:49>> I guess Hollywood if you will.
8:52>> Yeah.
8:52>> Um, we went to Manhattan Beach, you
8:54know, which a bunch of like restaurants
8:56and stuff. The beach and stuff.
9:01>> Oakland.
9:03>> Okay.
9:04>> San Francisco Bay.
9:06>> Yeah. Right across the bay. Yes.
9:10Somebody warriors
9:12>> and them cowboys.
9:13>> Yeah.
9:15>> Went to Alcatraz. That was pretty
9:17awesome.
9:18>> Yeah.
9:18>> I'm sorry. You save yourself like, you
9:21know, his own little community
9:22essentially. Was it prison?
9:24>> Yeah.
9:25>> I was impressed by it.
9:27>> I know. I really didn't do that much
9:29research. Then they basically that one
9:32map off the Call of Duty.
9:34>> I don't know.
9:36>> I haven't played Ghost Call of Duty in
9:37so long. The last one I really played
9:38was uh Modern Warfare.
9:40>> See,
9:41>> then a little bit of Black Ops.
9:43>> Yeah.
9:43>> Then it got weird into like the
9:44futuristic stuff and I was like too
9:47much.
9:47>> Modern Warfare was the best one to me.
9:49Best Call of Duty.
9:50>> Then Modern Warfare 2 and it was
9:53>> it wasn't the same. [clears throat]
9:55>> Started playing Battlefield more.
9:57>> I think too.
9:58>> Yeah. It's just so much bigger. You know
10:00what I mean? There's so much going on.
10:02>> Yeah.
10:02>> The new one's pretty cool. It's like
10:04World War I.
10:05>> Yeah.
10:05>> So there's like old school weapons and
10:06stuff. Yeah. He said all that.
10:08>> Do you have a driver's license already,
10:10Mr. Lots?
10:11>> On me? No, I don't.
10:12>> You have one. Have you ever had one?
10:14Yeah.
10:14>> Do you know what the number is?
10:15>> No.
10:16>> Okay.
10:17>> Do you have a deal?
10:18>> One here in Texas.
10:19>> Yeah.
10:20>> A DL or an identification card.
10:23>> So, he's got an ID card.
10:26>> There's like trains and horses and
10:27stuff. You know what I mean?
10:29>> The train's pretty cool. It's like if
10:30your your team loses or something, you
10:32get like this big train that just come
10:33and wrecks everything or battleship
10:35stuff. Thank you.
10:40[snorts]
10:44>> What brought you out here compared to
10:47>> Perry?
10:48>> Hey, Chelsea.
10:48>> Most of my most once I came
10:52>> out of California
10:55>> originally. That's where they live.
10:58>> We always had family out here in love.
11:00>> So basically love in California and then
11:02Okay.
11:02>> Everybody kind of migrated.
11:04>> Yeah. Yeah.
11:04>> Went towards Dallas.
11:05>> Yeah.
11:06>> I left Dallas, went back to
11:09>> It's good to be around our family.
11:11>> Makes things eas
11:14>> sometimes.
11:15>> We've got a The FBI has a warrant out
11:17for your arrest for weapon trafficking.
11:21>> You know anything about him?
11:23>> Not at all.
11:24>> Do you ever get arrested with a gun or
11:26>> Never.
11:29And that's just that's what the warrant
11:31says and it's actually out of our local
11:33office. I know the agent listed on
11:34>> What was the issue?
11:37>> Sometimes I don't stay.
11:39>> Um,
11:42looks like August 10th.
11:45>> Let's see. That's
11:47way
11:50>> that's there's not very much information
11:52to see. I mean,
11:55>> that's great.
11:56>> Yeah, it's kind of got a list of stuff.
11:58The actual warrant would have an
11:59information on it and I can actually I
12:01know the
12:03Uh I report to
12:06city every month
12:07>> to the city.
12:08>> Yeah. Bail
12:09>> tickets.
12:09>> No reporting on bail. But wouldn't they
12:13have said something about that?
12:16>> I don't know.
12:18>> You know what I'm saying?
12:18>> They may not have actually ran you
12:20again. I mean just kind of sometimes we
12:21just deal with the
12:22>> That's the only thing I have. So
12:24basically,
12:24>> and I um
12:25>> may not even understand.
12:27>> And like I said, I the the agent the
12:29special agent listed on the on the lawn
12:31is actually is one of the local agents.
12:33I can I can you can call him if you
12:35want.
12:36>> I mean, we can try that.
12:38>> We can try to work that out or figure it
12:40out what's going on so that you know
12:41what's going on. I'm sure you'd like to
12:42know what's going on.
12:44>> Um [clears throat] I want to ask you
12:48just some stuff about this deal that
12:49we've been working on since Sunday.
12:50Okay. Um you hear about that guy that
12:53they found over on carriage house at
12:55carriage house found they found a body
12:57over there on Sunday morning.
12:59>> Okay.
13:00>> Okay. Um guy was dead in the parking lot
13:03they car off for slave.
13:05>> Okay. Yeah.
13:06>> And that's what that's what we're
13:07investigating. Okay.
13:08>> Okay.
13:09>> Um we've spoken to several people. We've
13:13processed several locations for evidence
13:16um and their names come up
13:19>> um from several people as as being kind
13:22of around this guy or kind of in the
13:25same place he was on Saturday
13:28over at Geneva's house.
13:31>> Okay.
13:31>> You know Geneva?
13:32>> Yeah, I know who Geneva is.
13:33>> She lives over IQ 66 and Q over there.
13:37>> 65th and Q duplex or something.
13:41Okay.
13:42>> Did you know that she was arrested? I
13:44mean, her her face was all in the news
13:46and stuff today. The news in her we had
13:49a deal about it. So, I don't know if you
13:51knew she got arrested or not.
13:53>> I did not know yet,
13:55>> but
13:56>> and she made some calls and stuff.
13:58>> Yeah.
13:58>> Mention some stuff about you.
14:00>> Yeah.
14:00>> Did someone call you?
14:02>> Yeah.
14:02>> Who called you? I think it's her sister
14:05wants to say she want to talk to me
14:06about something, but we never heard
14:10contact about that. So, I'm still
14:13confused on it. I just left her alone.
14:15>> Were you over there on Saturday?
14:17>> Yeah, I showed up on Saturday over
14:18there.
14:19>> What time over there?
14:24>> It was kind of like in and out. I'm
14:26trying to get
14:28cuz a lot of people stayed over there.
14:30Yeah.
14:31>> So,
14:33first of all, I'm trying to get who
14:34exactly we're talking about when I was
14:36over there and the times I did leave and
14:39come back with my friend LB, which I did
14:42this morning.
14:47That's I popped over over there a couple
14:49times that same day. Then she need some
14:52gas for the generator and
14:57I'm still confused, you know.
14:59So,
15:02>> I'm trying to basically figure out like
15:05why would cuz this is extreme what I
15:07just had to go through and see with my
15:09baby and stuff out of my sleep and so
15:12obviously
15:13>> something was probably
15:14>> well the guy I mean the guy was
15:18okay he was beat
15:20>> he was beat um very severely okay and I
15:24talked to some people yesterday that
15:26that said you were there um at the
15:28house.
15:29>> And um I'm going to tell you right now,
15:31some of those people tried to throw it
15:33at all, but I'm going to tell you also,
15:37I don't think that that's all that
15:38that's true.
15:39>> Okay. And I don't know if
15:42um some of those people were like
15:45>> Well, we'll probably
15:46>> like I don't know you. I don't know you.
15:47You know, we we haven't met.
15:48>> Yeah.
15:49>> But I don't know. Do you have like a
15:52reputation as being like
15:54>> anything? I I am the kind of black sheep
15:57when I am over there cuz these are my
15:59friend. But
16:00>> because some of the people wanted to be
16:02like
16:03like Demetrius was do they call you
16:06Meech?
16:08>> I just wanted to ask you that. Um they
16:11they were saying that you were kind of
16:13the one that was like
16:16running
16:17like kind of telling people what they
16:19needed to do.
16:20>> Yeah.
16:20>> Involving this.
16:23I wouldn't get
16:24>> Tell me about this guy that that was
16:25over there.
16:27>> The guy that got me there.
16:30>> Tell you about him. There's nothing much
16:32I can tell you about the guy. I don't
16:34even
16:34>> But you were there on Saturday and he
16:36was there from Saturday morning to
16:37Saturday night.
16:39>> And from talking to everybody, I know
16:41that I know that some stuff happened
16:44because
16:45>> I guess some people over there that he
16:47was like a pervert,
16:48>> like that he had hurt a kid or something
16:49like that back in the day.
16:52>> Had nothing to do with it. Now their
16:54situation right there I have nothing to
16:56do with. Obviously on the black sheet
16:58I'm the only person that goes over there
17:00for an evil and evil. Whoever she brings
17:03to the house is none of my business. She
17:05needs help. Go over there and help her
17:07leave. Come back.
17:08>> But what I'm saying is this guy got beat
17:10up pretty bad by some of the people that
17:12were there while you were there.
17:13>> No.
17:14>> Yeah. Cuz they've already said it.
17:16>> No.
17:16>> Some of some of the people involved that
17:18we've already talked to have already
17:19cast this guy.
17:22>> Exactly. It came out I guess that he was
17:24the pervert that he had heard a kid. I
17:26think he had like raped a kid or
17:27something
17:29>> and some beef broke out between him and
17:30another person that was there.
17:32>> So that had nothing to do with me.
17:33>> No, they're saying that it did because
17:35they said that you got involved in it
17:37too and that you were part of the one
17:38like like beating him and all this stuff
17:41and it was your idea to to get this
17:44other guy to take him to put him in the
17:46back of the truck and take him over to
17:48the carriage house. [snorts]
17:52No.
17:53>> And if that's not true, I need you to
17:55tell me how that broke down. Like, how
17:57did that happen? Because the other guy
17:58that was in the truck with the other guy
18:00that was in the truck
18:02>> he's even like he says I just showed up
18:04and
18:06>> and he identifies you says
18:08>> so all this done just to come to
18:11everybody put the blame on me about some
18:14stuff that I wasn't even
18:16>> and the thing is like everybody I think
18:18tries to put the blame on somebody. I've
18:22I've learned that in investigating
18:24cases. Okay.
18:24>> Yeah. cuz I'm at the point where I don't
18:26want to blame on anybody cuz
18:28>> No, I know. Here's the thing. I believe
18:30I've got enough people telling me that
18:31you were there during the day.
18:32>> Yeah. I I told you.
18:34>> Yeah. I mean, and I know you were there
18:35and I know that if you were in that
18:36duplex, I mean, it's a little theme. I
18:38was in there yesterday. If you were in
18:40there on Saturday, you saw this dude
18:43while he was in there. He was in there
18:44all freaking day
18:46>> and and he had been
18:49he had pretty,
18:51>> you know what I mean? And I don't know
18:52if the point was I don't know of the
18:55what
18:57>> well I mean
18:58>> heated
18:59>> he I guess got left outside. He got left
19:02out he got beat and then he got dumped
19:04out there in the parking lot and he's
19:06dead now. And my thing is this. I don't
19:08know if the point was to kill him or the
19:10point was to teach him a lesson or the
19:12point was just that the people there
19:14were so disgusted with this dude.
19:16>> Yeah.
19:17>> What? I don't know. M
19:18>> I got different people telling me
19:19different things, but I mean I have
19:22people that have been there telling me,
19:23"Yeah, I was there and yeah, this
19:24happened and this was kind of the way it
19:26broke down."
19:27>> Yeah.
19:28>> But
19:29you know,
19:31>> I'm just confused on how I would get
19:33anywhere in between reference
19:34>> because cuz the other people that were
19:36there all looked around for themselves.
19:38>> Exactly. It should
19:40>> everybody looks out from the moon.
19:44>> And if and if in knowing that you were
19:47there,
19:49>> I also know that from being there,
19:50there's no way you could have been there
19:52not knowing the situation was happening
19:53going on.
19:55>> But
19:57>> cuz it's a little bitty freaking duplex.
19:59>> I know.
19:59>> It's just a little bitty deal. It's got
20:01like a bedroom, a living. Yeah. I go
20:03over there holl at like
20:08You know,
20:10I don't I've been too many situations to
20:14where I don't want to even put myself in
20:15a certain situation. So, when people are
20:19looking out for theirel, I mean, I don't
20:20understand why my name go up
20:23>> because
20:24>> cuz I do know
20:27Nea is a strong friend of mine. So,
20:30>> that's probably one reason.
20:34between people getting into it over his
20:36pervert whatever he did with them kids I
20:38don't know nothing about
20:40>> what they get into it about him at some
20:43point Jacob shot
20:46>> why why did Jacob shoot you know Jacob
20:50>> yeah I think his brother
20:52>> Yeah he was there while you were there
20:53and he shot her
20:56I didn't
20:58>> I didn't see
20:58>> everybody in there saw get
21:01And everybody in there knows that that
21:02gun's all like
21:03>> Yeah, that's
21:04>> piece of crap. It's a piece of crap,
21:05y'all.
21:06>> Hey, Sean.
21:07>> Yeah, that's crazy. I didn't know that.
21:10>> Yeah, you did.
21:11>> I didn't see that.
21:12>> The thing is
21:12>> even the neighbors heard that.
21:14>> And the thing is this.
21:15>> I heard about it.
21:16>> The thing is see
21:17>> you heard you heard about it.
21:19>> Yeah.
21:21>> But like I said, it's none of my
21:23business.
21:24>> Who'd you hear from?
21:25>> It's not who I heard it from. It's when
21:26you listen to people's conversations.
21:29Who was talking about?
21:32>> Who was talking about?
21:34>> We're having a conversation in a room.
21:36>> If someone said that you hit him in the
21:38head with a bat,
21:40>> if someone said everyone there beat this
21:42man in the head with the bat because
21:43y'all
21:44>> Okay, that that's a lie. Cuz I wasn't
21:46there. First of all, I was there most of
21:48the day. I go there and I help out. What
21:51would she do? Listen conversations.
21:53>> Here's the deal.
21:54>> And keep it like that. If you were there
21:56when he got beat up and you didn't take
21:59part in him getting beat up
22:00>> was not there.
22:02>> Then there's no reason he wouldn't tell
22:03me that.
22:04>> Exactly.
22:05>> If you were there and you did take part
22:07in it, I could understand why you might
22:08be reluctant to say something.
22:09>> Only thing I can say I was there about
22:11is to hear about a conversation. I
22:12wasn't there when he got shot. I wasn't
22:15there when he got beat up. So why meet
22:19in between?
22:22You know, you know Geneva better than I.
22:25>> You know them better than I.
22:29>> Her no probably know her better. Yeah.
22:31>> I don't know anybody else like that.
22:32That's what I'm saying.
22:35um
22:35>> mutual conversations,
22:38acquaintances, you know,
22:41he was the only person I can say that
22:43it's really my nar and stuff
22:47besides anybody else.
22:50>> What if I told you that there's video of
22:51the car hospital pulling in there and
22:53dumping out the bed of the truck?
22:55>> It was young,
22:56>> you and the guy that was driving. So, we
22:58already talked to him yesterday,
22:59>> you know, and he was like, "Yeah." He
23:01says, he says, "I just showed up." up.
23:02He said, "I showed up kind of late. I
23:04was looking for," he said he was looking
23:05for some dope. And that
23:08when he gets there, you guys are all
23:10there. This guy's like beat up and he
23:14says, "Could you ask him to help you get
23:17rid of this dude?" And then y'all, but
23:20but listen, I know you're shaking your
23:21head.
23:22>> I know. It's got crazy.
23:23>> And he's got that truck. He's got that
23:25truck that's all busted up
23:28>> and and that truck. Y'all are on video
23:30at Carriage House driving in from
23:32Sllayton driving around to that back
23:34deal by one of those trucks. There's
23:36cameras all over carriage house is nuts.
23:38I was surprised to see that. And then
23:40y'all get out there, get him out of the
23:42bed of the truck.
23:43>> So you're saying I'm out there on
23:45camera?
23:46>> Yes, sir.
23:47>> Yes, sir. It's unmistakable. And he says
23:49it's you.
23:50>> And if it is you, he
23:53>> No. [clears throat] Yeah.
23:56>> Why do you think that we'd be at that
23:57house today putting all that effort into
24:00talk to you if I wasn't if I wasn't?
24:02That's what I'm saying.
24:03>> I'm being honest. I'm being straight.
24:04>> That's what I'm saying.
24:08>> Okay.
24:10>> I mean, I'm being straight with you.
24:12>> And my thing is this. If
24:15I don't know this other guy, what if it
24:18was his idea and what if he got you to
24:20help him? I don't know. But all he's
24:22telling me is I showed up looking for
24:23dope and he describes you and he he says
24:27he doesn't know you but he describes you
24:29and he says that you helped him. He says
24:30it was your idea
24:32>> if he doesn't know me but he described
24:33you.
24:34>> He described him
24:34>> and he asked me to help him take care.
24:37>> He said you asked him to help cuz he was
24:40looking for dope or something like that
24:41and you were there at the house.
24:42>> If he was looking for dope then why
24:44would I ask him?
24:45>> I don't know.
24:46>> That doesn't make sense. I know that
24:48people go there to to house,
24:51>> okay,
24:51>> to to score dope on occasion
24:54>> and people smoke there.
24:55>> If they do, it's none of my business.
24:56>> And he says that's why he shows up over
24:58there.
24:59>> Okay.
24:59>> You see what I'm saying?
25:00>> Yeah.
25:00>> He says he's talking to some other [ __ ]
25:02instead.
25:03>> Where's Where's this other [ __ ] man?
25:05Where's the other [ __ ]
25:05>> He says he's he's talking to her. She
25:08gives him the address. He shows up. He
25:10sees this.
25:12And he says that you had the idea to
25:14take this guy.
25:16>> I'm just
25:17>> Yeah. Okay, I I understand.
25:18>> I'm just telling you what I know. I'm
25:20being honest with you because I told you
25:21I
25:23>> So he say he shows up
25:25>> and then
25:25>> and I ask him, "Okay, I do not know
25:29a beat up body."
25:31>> And maybe you don't. Geneva also says,
25:34"You should be there."
25:35>> Okay.
25:36>> Geneva also says
25:37>> I was there at one point in time.
25:39>> No, Geneva says you were there while all
25:41this was happening. Not that you were
25:42there at one point in time. And if you
25:44were there from anytime on Saturday, you
25:46were there while this was happening.
25:48>> He got shot in the morning. He got
25:49dumped on the night time. And he was
25:50there all day,
25:51>> busted up laying on the couch and stuff,
25:53it's not you couldn't miss.
25:55>> You couldn't have been there and missed
25:56it.
25:57>> It's not possible.
26:01>> So seeing him not to see him get shot or
26:04beat up, it's none of my business.
26:06>> But you saw it is your business because
26:08people have said now it's been made your
26:11business.
26:12>> Exactly. That's
26:14>> what I'm saying at the time. But yeah,
26:16it's being made my business now.
26:17>> Yeah.
26:18>> Because it's a serious
26:21don't want a part of it. You know what
26:22I'm saying? Well, my thing is if if if
26:24all you if all it was was you were there
26:26and you saw something but you weren't
26:27involved
26:28>> or if you ended up in a in a situation
26:33that
26:35maybe at the wrong place at the wrong
26:37time
26:38>> or if it wasn't really you kind of
26:40dropping the whole let's take him out of
26:42here to carriage house. You need to tell
26:43me that. But it doesn't need to be in
26:45the form of I wasn't there. I don't know
26:46what happened. I don't know what's going
26:47on because there's video of carriage
26:49house.
26:50>> That's unavoidable.
26:52There's no way. I mean, and if I'm lying
26:55to you, there's no way we end up over at
26:56NA's house yesterday.
26:58>> There's no way we found his truck.
27:00There's no way we talked to Mim.
27:02>> There's no way she gives us your name
27:04and the way he described. You know what
27:05I'm saying? I'm not lying to you. I'm
27:07I'm offering you all of this. And a lot
27:08of times that might not happen because I
27:10want to hear what you can tell me
27:13because you you know things that I don't
27:14know. And I want to I want to be able to
27:16hear that.
27:17>> I mean, it's really not much. Uh
27:22said the guy got shot for when from when
27:25to win when
27:27>> Well, I know
27:27>> he stayed there from
27:29>> I know people were calling out morning
27:30about shots being fired at the
27:31apartment.
27:32>> No.
27:33Okay.
27:34>> Several people have already said that
27:36Jacob shot.
27:40>> Well, he's the only person I know with a
27:41gun.
27:47>> You seen a gun before? How do you know
27:49he has a gun though? Only person I know
27:51is black. I don't pay attention to
27:53nothing when I go there. It might be
27:55things laid out, might be drugs laid
27:56out. You know, just giving an example.
27:59>> When's the last time you
28:03>> I think y'all was same day. That's
28:06Saturday.
28:07>> Saturday.
28:10>> What's today? Tuesday.
28:12>> Tuesday.
28:14It's been about two days. Yeah.
28:16[clears throat]
28:17And the thing is,
28:21I mean, we know these things. There's
28:23proof of these things.
28:25>> I know you were there when this man was
28:27there. It would be okay. I know that.
28:30That was
28:31>> There are plenty of witnesses. Neva is
28:33going to say that. She's not going to
28:34lie on. Y'all are y'all are tight.
28:38Did not see him get shot. Came in.
28:42You can see the man. None of my
28:44business. Nothing was happening at that
28:45time. What was it? Where was he? What
28:47was he doing when he come?
28:51>> And if you tell me you didn't see him
28:52getting shot,
28:54>> that's what I'm saying.
28:55>> Okay. Okay. But if you tell me you
28:56didn't never see him there, you know
28:57what I mean? Like
28:59>> you saying you saw him there? You saw
29:00him?
29:01>> Yeah.
29:01>> What was he doing when you saw him?
29:04>> Chilling. Chilling like,
29:07>> "Okay, you good? You you all right?"
29:09Yeah. He was responsive and [ __ ] like
29:11that.
29:13when you saw it.
29:16>> Oh, discom.
29:26>> He couldn't comprehend.
29:38>> Yeah, he wasn't in the room. cuz I had
29:39to go past to the room said what's up.
29:42Okay, I realize something's wrong with
29:44you, sir. Keep walking towards Ne's room
29:46cuz like it's none of my business now.
29:50Do you need anything? Leave you come
29:51back. He's still there. Still
29:53responsive.
29:56It's none of my business. I kept it
29:58moving. So at this time going back and
30:01forth trying to figure out
30:06now knowing this why
30:10you know beach
30:12name you saying we has a lot to do with
30:14this but Jacob shot right
30:17>> well I'll tell you
30:18>> he's the only person I know himself I
30:19could believe that also
30:20>> he was shot he was stabbed
30:24and at one point someone took a bat to
30:26him by the nether drone and it sounds
30:28And from what I'm hearing, everybody
30:30that was there took a bath to him at
30:32some point because he was and and from
30:34what I'm hearing, it had to do with the
30:35fact that he he had a kid.
30:38>> Yeah.
30:40>> I don't know that part. I just know um
30:42like previously before that him him
30:45always he played mind games with people
30:47and I guess Jacob was the wrong person
30:48to play mind game with. So,
30:53>> uh
30:53>> did you know the guy got it done?
30:55>> I really didn't know him like that.
30:56>> You know his name? Now I know his name.
30:59>> How'd you find out his name?
31:01>> From living
31:04house name.
31:05>> I mean, how did you did you hear it from
31:07somebody or did you hear it on the news?
31:08And where'd you hear
31:10>> when we were there? He he would tell us
31:11his name. He said Gabriel Al or Lee out.
31:15So he would play mind games. People
31:18talking about I'm God and stuff like
31:19that. So like I said, it was already out
31:22of whack.
31:22>> You like a s dude? His head's not right.
31:27But if if you probably sit there and
31:29listen to his stories, you probably just
31:31be like, "Yeah,
31:34uh, it's either one or the other. You're
31:36telling the truth or you're crazy in the
31:39head." You know? So, if I have to debate
31:41on that, I really don't need to be in
31:43this conversation. You know what I'm
31:44saying? So,
31:48it was just too much going on. That's
31:49why I would come and go. You know, I
31:52didn't know they got like that. I really
31:54not friendly. Oh,
31:56>> how' the whole thing at Carish House
31:58happened? How'd that also been?
32:00>> What?
32:01>> Like I said, the video from Carriage
32:03House
32:06off there in the parking lot.
32:12>> Dumping him off in the parking lot. I
32:14wasn't there.
32:14>> Leaving him in the parking lot.
32:17>> Neva even says you you were there.
32:19>> Okay. A lot of people said I was there
32:21doing a lot of things.
32:22>> Video
32:24[clears throat] video of it. And the
32:25other guy in the truck was also with
32:28>> Okay.
32:29>> Some [clears throat] people saying
32:29Hannah was even with
32:31>> Who?
32:31>> Anna.
32:32>> Who was that?
32:32>> Adriana.
32:33>> Hey, that girl. The girl lives up with
32:36the she was also there.
32:41>> Like I said, I don't know people like
32:42that. But
32:47>> and and deal with this. I mean,
32:49>> the the white guy you're talking about,
32:52I don't know that other [ __ ] What do
32:54y'all work at?
32:55>> I don't know. I [clears throat]
32:57know.
32:57>> Had you ever met him before?
32:59>> No. [snorts]
33:00>> How'd he get there?
33:02>> What did he want when he got what? Cuz
33:04he don't know when he go, right? Or do
33:09>> I swear? I don't know.
33:10>> Have you ever seen?
33:11>> No, I never seen No.
33:13>> So, how how do you get over to
33:16>> Hey, that's that was I don't know. You
33:19could have walked.
33:19>> Well, no. I don't mean like how I guess
33:22I'm asking how does he end up over
33:24there? Like why does he just show up and
33:25need himself?
33:27Is it true that he was looking just
33:29looking for dope or what?
33:32>> Mhm.
33:33>> I don't know.
33:34>> Is he does he know need right or not?
33:37He's he was speaking like he knew what
33:41people his surroundings, you know. So,
33:43>> okay.
33:45>> I'm not the type like, "Hey, what's your
33:46name? My name is such and such."
33:48>> That's fine.
33:50Oh, that's fair.
33:52Boys would
33:54you think that there's a reason he would
33:57just show up? Cuz you know, you know
33:59Nether, right?
34:00>> And you know, you know Jacob, right?
34:02>> Yeah.
34:03>> And Joshua.
34:05>> Yeah.
34:05>> That's his brother, right?
34:06[clears throat]
34:06>> And uh then you know Ron Adriana or
34:10Hana?
34:11>> No.
34:11>> Well, she What else is she?
34:13>> Hey. Hey.
34:14>> No, I did not know her.
34:15>> You don't?
34:15>> No. Have you given her medic?
34:18>> If I get a picture of her, I can
34:20probably tell you, but I don't know
34:21about girl.
34:23>> Huh?
34:26>> She was over. She was over.
34:31>> I see. It'd be so much people, but if I
34:34see a picture, I probably more likely be
34:36able to tell you.
34:37>> I guess what I'm getting at is you know
34:39those people, so there's a reason.
34:41>> No, no, no. You know Neva, you know
34:43Jake, you know Joshua.
34:44>> I know Neva. I know of Jacob. I know of
34:46Joshua.
34:48>> I'm starting to get to know Joshua more.
34:50>> Were Jacob and Joshua over there that
34:51night? That day?
34:52>> Yeah, I seen them.
34:53>> Okay. So, the reason y'all hanging out
34:55cuz y'all know each other.
34:57>> Fair enough. Is that right? Is that
34:58true?
35:00>> Getting I go over there for Neva
35:02specifically. I guess they're doing the
35:03same thing as me going over there for
35:05NEA specifically. So, we're in the same
35:06circle at one point in time.
35:08>> Fair.
35:09>> I mean, y'all are there because y'all
35:10know Neva, right? So if this guy tells
35:13me I want over there, but I don't know
35:15any of those people, to me, I'm like,
35:17why you end up at someone's house? I
35:19don't even know.
35:19>> Mhm.
35:20>> So it makes me kind of think maybe he's
35:22kind of like maybe there's more to it
35:24than that. You know what I mean?
35:26>> You talking about the white guy?
35:27>> Yeah.
35:31>> Yeah. Yeah.
35:32>> So what's up with him? What's up with
35:34that?
35:36>> Were you there when he got there?
35:37>> I don't really know.
35:39>> Were you there when he showed up? No, I
35:41had walked in after that and seen him
35:43there. Like I said, plenty of people go
35:45there.
35:46>> Yeah.
35:47>> So, if you got there when he was there?
35:48>> No, I was there throughout the day. Then
35:50I left, came back, and he was there.
35:53>> So, if if you got there when he was
35:55there, you would have been there
35:57whenever this Gabriel whenever this
35:59Gabriel dude was all like
36:01>> messed up.
36:03>> Okay.
36:04>> So, what happened with Gabriel at that
36:06point?
36:07>> Every time I seen Gabriel, he was all
36:10responsive, you know, like he was good,
36:13but he was just like like dope or
36:16something. I don't know. Like he was
36:17crazy.
36:17>> Was he bleeding?
36:18>> Yeah, he was bleeding.
36:19>> Oh, where
36:24facial facial was really
36:26>> facial? It's like just like blood. What
36:30you see?
36:30>> Yeah. See see a big old cut on his head.
36:34I just seen he was like hair on his face
36:38down or dry.
36:41>> That's what happened to that dude. What
36:43happened to him?
36:44>> He goted up. It's common sense. I didn't
36:46really ask him was like
36:49>> you just said who this dude,
36:51>> huh?
36:51>> Like you ask. I mean, we're not curious.
36:53Why does this dude get [ __ ] up? He's
36:55just sitting here chilling.
36:56>> Yeah. Yeah, I was curious. So what?
36:57>> I was curious.
36:58>> So what Nea say about it?
37:00>> It wasn't none of my business. I never
37:01asked her.
37:04I know I heard about this [ __ ] though,
37:06like them getting into it. But like I
37:09said, I don't get deep into a situation
37:12where I'll basically be butting in
37:15somebody's
37:16>> What' you hear? What' you hear?
37:18>> He uh was disrespectful to
37:23one of the dudes, Jacob or Josh or both
37:26of them. They were into it. they were
37:28into it for it had to be going on for at
37:32least a week, you know. So,
37:36I guess it could have led up to this
37:39uh to where he really disrespected him
37:41to a certain level or disrespecting Nea
37:44and then they retaliated for her. I
37:48don't know. It could have went either
37:49way cuz they're there for her. So, I
37:53could see that happening too. Were you
37:55there whenever Neva hit him with the
37:57bat?
37:59>> And she says she hit him with the bat.
38:00>> No, it's not.
38:01>> No, I wasn't there for that.
38:02>> I wasn't there for none of that.
38:05>> But you were there whenever the white
38:06dude was there. You got there after the
38:08white guy
38:09>> got there.
38:10>> So if the white guy says that it was
38:12your idea to get him out of Neville's
38:14>> Mhm.
38:15>> But to take him out of there and that
38:18dude's truck, is is that true or is that
38:20not true?
38:21>> That's false. Whose idea was it to take
38:23the mountain truck?
38:25>> Because you were there when it happened.
38:26That's why I'm asking you what what's
38:27going on in there where someone's like,
38:29"Let's get this dude out of here and get
38:31him." This white dude's got a truck. I
38:34almost wondered if they didn't call that
38:35white because they knew he had a truck
38:36or something. You know what I'm saying?
38:38>> Yeah. I mean,
38:40>> so what happened?
38:41>> Mhm. I mean, I got there after he did.
38:44He looked kind of weird. Like I said,
38:46I'm not that friendly anyway. So
38:50y'all handle what you got to handle. I'm
38:52going to go sit here and tell I can talk
38:53to Nea.
38:56If you take too long cuz I have a bride
38:57outside. It's my brother. Black tribute
39:00cuz I don't have a car.
39:02>> He's going to be antsy outside cuz he
39:05wants to go. He has kids too.
39:07>> It's your brother.
39:08>> Yeah. It's not my blood. That's what we
39:10call him.
39:12>> Yeah.
39:16I wasn't in there long enough to go
39:18through what they're like I didn't hear
39:21nothing they were talking about. So I
39:23didn't even know the white guy had
39:26a truck period. You know
39:30it seems kind of smart to me for either
39:33one whoever was there to call him for a
39:35truck ride wherever he go. But yeah, I'm
39:39pretty sure he most likely get the point
39:41going over there was he needed some dope
39:42because that's what people go over there
39:44for.
39:45They probably talk to him then about it.
39:48You know,
39:52just
39:58if he said that you offered to get him
40:00some dope if he took help get rid of the
40:02help get that guy out of understand the
40:04dude wasn't dead whenever he got buried
40:06in the guy's truck. Well, I understand.
40:09>> Everybody says he was like moaning,
40:12making noise like that.
40:14>> Yeah.
40:15>> He says that it was your idea to help
40:18him like you'd help him get some dope if
40:20he helped you get that guy out of the
40:22house.
40:24>> Like I said, the guy wasn't dead from
40:26what I understand.
40:28>> Yeah.
40:29>> So, but I'm like, but I've got him
40:32saying that and then I've got Nea saying
40:34that you helped him to jaw loaded that
40:36guy into this. white dude's truck
40:38>> and I know I mean
40:39>> I know that because I mean we did the
40:41video bed liner from the truck he took
40:43all his tools out of red blood all I
40:45mean
40:45>> so
40:47>> we got all that already
40:49>> but I guess what I'm getting at was
40:52this a deal that if you just ended if
40:55you ended up along for the ride I assume
40:57he drove to his truck and if you just
41:00end up in his truck and he ends up at
41:02carriage house like hey what I want to
41:03know how you ended up there it might
41:05have been your idea
41:06You might have been for the carriage
41:08house. I don't know.
41:09>> Yeah, but I made my point on that.
41:11>> But you know what I mean. I'm just
41:12looking for some answers as to how you
41:14ended up in this white dude's truck at
41:15carriage house.
41:16>> No, never ended up at the white trucks
41:19in the carriage house cuz when I pulled
41:22up and he was I was with LB my brother
41:27I told
41:27>> why would he?
41:29>> Why wouldn't she? I mean why
41:32>> why wouldn't everybody's story get
41:34straight on? Why why would my name be in
41:36period? You know,
41:37>> because you were
41:37>> Why would I have all this going on for
41:42accusation that I was with white guy
41:44loading a body at the church house in
41:45the back?
41:46>> Well, before we call him unloading a
41:48body,
41:48>> my understanding is that he was alive.
41:50>> Oh, okay.
41:51>> You know, I'm just saying
41:53>> if he was dead, maybe he was dead. I
41:54don't know if he wouldn't make any
41:55noise. I don't know that anyone's a
41:57doctor. I don't know.
41:58>> This is how I get my impression, man.
41:59I'm just giving you
42:00>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if
42:01anyone was checking his pulse to see if
42:03he's allowed or dead, but at some point
42:05he got out of the back of the truck. The
42:07guys looked him out and put him on the
42:09ground out there [clears throat]
42:10>> on the parking lot.
42:13>> That's what the story
42:14>> Well, that's what the video shows, too.
42:15I mean, the video backs the story up.
42:17>> Yeah.
42:18>> It backs up what he says. It backs up
42:20what
42:22Geneva says and everything except for
42:24you saying it didn't happen.
42:28And if if it did happen and there's an
42:30explanation for it, if it was like we
42:32left him there cuz we figured someone
42:33would find him, we left him there, we
42:36got to get him out of the house, but we
42:37thought somebody might find him or maybe
42:38he make his way up the carriage or
42:40something.
42:40>> See, now once I if I'm going to do that,
42:42I'm jumping into somebody else's
42:43situation.
42:44>> Well, that's basically, you know, adding
42:47on to what other people got going on. If
42:49I got to pull up and didn't see none of
42:51this stuff going on, just
42:54uh briefly seeing the man, then by the
42:57end of the day, jumping in the car with
42:58a white man cuz he needed some know.
43:00>> Well,
43:01>> and loading body doesn't make sense.
43:03>> You're talking to something
43:06wasn't popular
43:07>> and I think it was a lot of what he did.
43:09>> So, just the one accusation on me this
43:11part. You said a lot of people had
43:12something to say about failure, but on
43:14this certain part it was just Neva
43:16saying,
43:16>> "Well,
43:17>> in this part, there's video of it.
43:20There's the white guy. There's Neva
43:21talking about you doing that."
43:24>> You said what?
43:25>> On this particular part, there's video
43:27of it in the church house. There's the
43:30white guy. There's Neva all talking
43:32about you doing it.
43:35>> The video shows it. Yes, sir.
43:37>> It shows her and him talking about it.
43:38>> No, no, no. video shows you guys going
43:40to terror.
43:42>> It shows other people.
43:43>> No,
43:47>> the white guys like that with me. Was
43:48that other guy?
43:50>> What was there? And Neva says, "Yeah,
43:51they left together.
43:53>> They loaded him into the truck. They
43:54left together."
43:58>> No, that's [clears throat] not what
43:58happened.
43:59>> What did happen?
44:01You were there when he was there. I know
44:03he asked for some dope. That's all.
44:05That's all I know. He asked for some
44:06dope. Okay.
44:09Everything else I got nothing to do with
44:11me.
44:11>> Were you Were you there when he left
44:12with Gabriel? He
44:13>> said, huh?
44:14>> You were there when he left with
44:15Gabriel.
44:16>> Who?
44:17>> You were there when the white dude left
44:18with Gabriel, right?
44:20>> No,
44:20>> you weren't at this house when that
44:22happened.
44:23>> I stepped outside. He'll be calling me
44:25already. He was already anti.
44:28>> So you just stepped outside and missed
44:30stuff.
44:30>> No, it'll be called me outside.
44:33Probably got record of that also. But
44:36then a white dude came outside. Okay,
44:38it's none of my business. Me and him
44:40were still talking, telling I'm going to
44:41go inside, holl at Negan
44:43and he asked me if I could find some
44:46dope.
44:48No, I cannot. I could try to look around
44:50for you. And we stayed out there for
44:54about 10 more minutes. I went back
44:55inside
44:57and
45:00that was it. Came back outside.
45:02>> Was I came back? He wasn't there.
45:05>> Where'd he go?
45:06>> I don't think
45:06>> when he left, he left from dead room in
45:08the back of his truck.
45:11>> And this is when around what time did
45:13she get did she give you a time?
45:14>> Well, when he left, he was only there
45:16once.
45:16>> Mhm. That's what I'm saying.
45:19>> Then at night after dark, an hour or two
45:22after dark. No, more than that. Few
45:23hours after dark.
45:29>> No. Had to be at least
45:31>> when he left, he left with Gabriel in
45:32his truck. I mean, he said, "I left with
45:34Gabriel in my trouble."
45:35>> Uhhuh.
45:36>> I mean, I know that. I mean, it's on.
45:38I'm just saying
45:38>> speaking on that part. I'm just saying.
45:40>> I mean, he did.
45:43>> He doesn't know Gabriel's thing. He's
45:44talking about the dude. He said, "I left
45:46with the dude that was all,
45:48>> you know, up or whatever. My truck,
45:53boy."
45:54>> And he left just pulled up as some dope.
45:58Did he get the dope?
46:03if she got the dog. He didn't mention
46:06that which I would
46:08>> I mean that's that's not that
46:09>> that's what I'm saying cuz it's a whole
46:11different situation now.
46:12>> It's not that unusual if he
46:14>> nobody over there so he didn't have no
46:17that much time to be over there period.
46:18So if you think whatever
46:23me
46:25[clears throat]
46:28that's
46:31it shouldn't even get this deep on my
46:33behind
46:45maybe you had just end up being there at
46:46the wrong freaking um try to help.
46:49Obviously basically that too obviously
46:51if I have to keep holding up seeing it
46:54the first time I you know got there and
46:57seeing the guy like
47:00okay I don't want to be here ne what do
47:02you need hurry up so I can go
47:05there I came back
47:08third time is the time uh the white boy
47:10was there the third time I had came back
47:15he was still there so when I I told you
47:18I had came in seeing the white guy left.
47:22He was still there. So,
47:24I really wasn't going to come back out
47:26of that. You know, y'all y'all doing too
47:28much.
47:30It's too much for me.
47:32I really didn't want to be there.
47:35So, I was trying to exit myself out the
47:37situation as much as I can
47:40to avoid this moment right here. You
47:43know,
47:45I I didn't want nothing to do with
47:46nothing. I believe if you want to know
47:50my answer on what the whole situation
47:52probably been, it was probably
47:54somebody got in their feelings too
47:55quickly, made a stupid decision, put
47:59other people into it basically with that
48:01decision and
48:05running away from the outcome. Now we
48:08have to go through this
48:11and a lot of people lost me though. Me
48:14my friend I don't want to receive.
48:16>> Who's that? knew neither see my friend.
48:19>> Yeah,
48:20>> that's [ __ ] up.
48:24And now I'm at the mother of my child's
48:27house
48:29saying grand the father
48:32like movie. I never been through that. I
48:35never wanted to. But
48:38>> this is crazy though. I never think
48:39it'll be this deep. I don't know.
48:42>> My fingers are going to
48:43>> Yeah. But my thing, what I'm afraid of
48:46happening is I know that people don't
48:49ever want to talk about what other
48:50people did.
48:52>> That's [clears throat] kind of a code I
48:53think that a lot of people have.
48:54>> Yeah. Why bothering?
48:55>> Huh?
48:56>> Why bother?
48:58>> But people don't want to talk about what
48:59I did. And I completely
49:03>> And I get that
49:06people people a lot of times don't want
49:07to talk about what they did.
49:10>> They think that their friends aren't
49:12going to talk about what they do.
49:14and they think that
49:17that it's best to not be honest about
49:20what happened most time. I'm just saying
49:23that mine.
49:23>> Yeah. 50% of the 50% of the time uh
49:26things that you
49:27>> you will get information on will be
49:29hearsay anyway,
49:30>> you know.
49:31>> But it won't be because
49:33>> No, 50%. That's why I get percentage on
49:35it.
49:35>> What?
49:36>> A percentage comes from hearsay.
49:37>> A percentage.
49:38>> Mhm.
49:39>> But my experience in sitting here
49:42talking to people and I've been doing
49:43this for almost 10 years in this
49:46position
49:48>> talking
49:49is that most of the time when people
49:53a lot of people that sit across from
49:55them,
49:55>> their situation,
49:57but
50:01they will and they do talk about what
50:03other people did.
50:04>> Mhm.
50:05>> Even though I'm sure their friends would
50:06be like, "Man, they would never."
50:08>> And you might be sitting here thinking,
50:09"Did neighbor really say anything or
50:11not? Is he
50:12>> I mean, you might be like, "Is he
50:13messing with me trying to make you think
50:15she did?"
50:16>> I believe she did. I've always I've
50:18always found that the best way to talk
50:20to people is with honesty. I'm honest
50:22[clears throat] with you, you're honest
50:22with me.
50:23>> We communicate that way. If I lie to
50:25you, what good is that for you or me?
50:27>> Look, no, I really do think you you're
50:29telling the truth about everything Nea
50:31said.
50:32>> Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that
50:34everything that NA said was the truth
50:36because then it'll be hearsay, but like
50:39I said, that's my friend.
50:41So,
50:42>> but if I tell you what Eva told me
50:45>> and you know in your mind and you know
50:46in your heart that that what she told me
50:48is true
50:49>> and
50:49>> then you're like
50:51>> and then also people might get wrong
50:53impressions on things
50:55>> for the time being
50:56>> like what
50:57>> like you say if she said I did leave
50:59with the white boy she probably she
51:02really didn't know if it was outside or
51:04not my brother
51:06>> so you know from there
51:08>> and I think that would be
51:10>> I know I think that's a valid thing for
51:12you to say. I mean, yeah, maybe she
51:14doesn't know. Maybe you did. Maybe for
51:15all she know,
51:17>> but when you go back to the fact that
51:20the wife always says you left with him.
51:22>> Mhm.
51:22>> And you go back to the fact that there's
51:24the video
51:25>> and you go back to the fact that there's
51:27all the blood from that dude in in the
51:30truck.
51:30>> Whose phone is this one?
51:34>> Is he out there?
51:35>> Uh, we'll make sure she gets it. But you
51:38know what I mean. So when you when you
51:40add up all of that
51:42and it's like
51:45it starts to look like you know you
51:46didn't you're left with why.
51:48>> Mhm.
51:49>> I guess and so then the question become
51:51the why. What what's the
51:52>> what
51:53>> the why behind it and and I think the
51:55why can go from
51:58just follow me on this. Okay. The Y
52:00could [clears throat] go from
52:02hypothetically being
52:05to get rid of [clears throat] somehow
52:09the Y could be to go finish the guy off.
52:13Okay,
52:14>> I'm just saying go with me.
52:15Hypothetically on this far side, it
52:16could be the Y to go finish the guy off.
52:19>> Okay,
52:19>> it could be to make sure the white guy
52:20does something.
52:22>> On this side, it could be because
52:26the white guy said, "Hey, give me a ride
52:28somewhere." I didn't really know what he
52:30was planning to freaking do with this
52:31guy. It could be all the way from over
52:33here to over here. You know what I mean?
52:35>> And it could be that
52:38if I got in the car with him that night,
52:41we got this dude in the in the back that
52:44these other people are messed up.
52:46>> Yeah.
52:46>> He's bleeding. That's why he's in the
52:48back. One in the front.
52:50>> And I get in the car with the dude and
52:53this dude drives somewhere. I think he's
52:54going somewhere else. But we end up at
52:55carriage house. And I look back there
52:57and this dude's like trying to get get
52:59him out of the back of the truck. And
53:00I'm like,
53:02>> I mean, just go with me hypothetically.
53:03And I'm like and I'm like,
53:06>> shoot, hurry up. We're going to get in
53:07trouble. You know what I mean? Hurry up.
53:08I might go back to be like, god damn.
53:10You know,
53:11>> I can see that. Let's get out of here.
53:14>> I don't know what this guy had in mind.
53:15I don't know what's going through his
53:16head. But I did it because I mean,
53:18shoot. I mean, what's going to happen if
53:19the cops roll up and you two are back
53:22there and this guy's all
53:23>> hooked up. You know what I'm saying? And
53:25you know, I mean, what's going to happen
53:26then? I would rather get out of there.
53:28You know what I'm saying?
53:30>> Most people will do the same.
53:31>> Yeah.
53:32>> I think
53:33>> so. That's on this end. And on this end
53:35is we were going together to finish this
53:37dude off.
53:37>> Yeah.
53:38>> And maybe it's somewhere in the middle.
53:40Maybe we didn't really care. You know
53:41what I'm saying? Maybe it's not like we
53:43didn't really want him to die. We didn't
53:45really care. We can't leave him here.
53:47He's whatever.
53:48>> Yeah.
53:48>> Figure we'll put him there. So, I'm
53:49going to find him or he'll go up to the
53:51carriage house.
53:52>> Whatever. after that it's not yours to
53:55worry about.
53:56>> Yeah.
53:56>> You know what I mean? Maybe there's no
53:58>> Yeah. Only thing.
53:59>> But it's I think it could be anywhere
54:01from that
54:03>> cuz you you have that open mind for
54:04that.
54:06>> You have to.
54:08>> Yeah.
54:09>> But that whole thing can only be
54:12explained by the people that were there
54:13and what they were thinking. I wasn't
54:14there. I wasn't in the situation. So I
54:16don't know what was being.
54:19>> And you also have to look at it if two
54:20people are there. One person might be
54:22thinking over here and one person might
54:24be thinking over here. You know what I
54:25mean?
54:26>> Yeah.
54:27>> Or anywhere in between.
54:31>> But I'll tell you, the person over here
54:33has a whole lot more to hide than the
54:35person over here. You agree with that?
54:37>> Yeah.
54:38>> Yeah.
54:38>> Yeah. I still Yeah.
54:40>> The farther you move this way, the more
54:42you have to hide, more reason you have
54:43not to talk about it.
54:45>> Yeah.
54:45>> And the further we move over here,
54:48>> the more reason you have to talk about
54:49it. for one because we can explain it.
54:51>> Mhm. [clears throat]
54:52>> Okay.
54:53>> Do you agree with that or
54:55>> Yeah. Yeah. totally listen
54:57>> because you have to keep your mind open
54:59on things like that.
55:00>> Always
55:02>> sit there.
55:09>> But all these things have you somewhere
55:11in this spectrum.
55:12>> Mhm. [clears throat]
55:13>> You know what I mean?
55:14>> Yeah. It's all right. You know what I
55:15mean? Damn.
55:19>> I mean, y'all could have called y'all
55:20could have got my number from somebody
55:21to say, "Meet me up there at the Texas
55:23office. We want to talk to you."
55:25>> Well,
55:27>> I did not know that that was going to
55:29happen to me. I did not know that. There
55:30was somebody else that was looking for
55:32you and that I just got called and said,
55:35"Hey, they thought you were at the
55:36house." We we got there shortly before
55:39we came up here to be honest with you.
55:41Okay. Okay. I just want I kind of want
55:44to know about that too cuz
55:46>> another detective called me and was
55:49like, "Hey, this little Mr. Lights is
55:51over at this house."
55:53>> I didn't know like that was
55:55>> we don't take part of that.
55:57>> So to be honest with you,
55:59>> you know, I was eating
56:01>> fair game.
56:02>> So
56:03>> we don't get all the cool stuff.
56:06>> So if we talk about it though, I mean
56:07somewhere on the scale and it falls
56:09somewhere in there and maybe it falls
56:11more in the middle.
56:13But if I'm there with this white dude
56:14that I don't know and we've got Gabriel
56:16in the back and Gabriel's messed up, I
56:19could see myself getting out to help
56:22this white dude get him out of his truck
56:23so that we're not both sitting there
56:25with him in the back of the truck if if
56:26a cop rolled by or something or somebody
56:28else rolled by and they call the cops
56:30on.
56:30>> No,
56:31>> not necessarily that I did anything
56:32wrong. I don't want to I just don't want
56:34to get in trouble for something I didn't
56:35do.
56:36>> So maybe I help put him out on the
56:37ground and get out of there. Let's bust
56:39out of there.
56:40>> Maybe he did.
56:43There you go.
56:43>> But what about you?
56:46>> What about me?
56:47>> Where would you fall in that?
56:50>> I fall in no category
56:52cuz
56:54it's way more than just You're saying
56:55basically there's three people here in
56:57this situation.
57:00Me, white guy, and I'm
57:02>> right. That's right. That's right.
57:05I don't even I can't I'm not going to
57:08explain like why I don't even shouldn't
57:10even do that because I don't even know a
57:11white guy like that
57:13>> to trust someone this far, you know, but
57:15it's it's more people in the house,
57:18>> you know.
57:19>> Who?
57:21>> It's more people I even know knowing the
57:22house. Jacob, he left long time ago. I
57:26didn't expect him to come back.
57:29>> Why not?
57:30>> Like his brother, I don't know. I really
57:33don't. cuz if he say he was friend came
57:35back and you know make sure she was
57:38okay. So it wasn't going down like that.
57:41So I did I'm the one that did that. Came
57:44back and made sure it was okay.
57:45>> What do you mean to make sure they were
57:47like
57:48uh eat
57:51run out? She was running out of
57:52generator for being I don't know how
57:54long now. That's gas money right there.
57:56So she has no job and she had kids and
57:58stuff like that. So I'm a good friend as
58:02far as that. So that's why I mean I come
58:05back check on her. I'm hungry. Okay. I'm
58:08going to get somebody to give you some
58:09cigarettes. Okay. I got some cigarettes.
58:11You know
58:12>> why you take care of her?
58:14>> I don't take care of her.
58:15>> Well, I'm saying why are you doing
58:16>> when I first when I first met her and it
58:19was like on a friend level. We're going
58:21to drink and stuff like that. She had
58:22it.
58:23>> And then when I met her
58:27>> more deeply y
58:28>> the situation was way deeper than you
58:31would think.
58:31>> Mhm.
58:32Oh, there's always people over there.
58:35>> Why are they over there?
58:37>> Cuz she she's the type of person that
58:39won't
58:40say
58:41>> Yeah.
58:44>> A lot of people go over there.
58:47>> Yeah. For reasons.
58:49>> Uh money, dope,
58:53family members.
58:54>> Just a spark, huh?
58:55>> Yeah, basically. And I was going to try
58:58to like move that around cuz I didn't
59:00want to
59:02I it's not for her.
59:05>> You deal with anybody else that overs
59:06the house over there besides her or
59:09>> I deal with a lot of people on and off
59:11for the simple fact that they got into
59:14it with what
59:16>> she didn't like something they did
59:19like her cousin for example.
59:22>> Mhm.
59:24>> She was taking advantage of Geneva, you
59:26know, and only time she wasn't
59:32liking it. So, I gave her advice, you
59:34know, call the police, you give her a
59:3730-day notice.
59:39>> Mhm. To get her out.
59:41>> Yeah.
59:42>> You trust people.
59:45>> You could trust anywhere as far as you
59:47get thrown. But
59:48>> yeah, more than you trust the other
59:50people there with.
59:51>> Yeah, of course.
59:55Uh um I really don't
59:59trust I wouldn't Yeah. Like I said, I
1:00:01trust Ne more than anybody else I
1:00:06>> don't know. Might be wrong for doing
1:00:09that. I give everybody their one chance.
1:00:11>> Why would she be putting you on?
1:00:15>> Because she probably feels like
1:00:18out of everybody that probably was there
1:00:20or showed up at the moment, I'll be the
1:00:23one that's actually
1:00:25going to want her to
1:00:28not take something for somebody else.
1:00:30Like
1:00:32>> if you want to know her position, that's
1:00:33why I could explain as much as I can for
1:00:35her to get her. She it it was so bad.
1:00:40>> Try to protect her.
1:00:41>> Exactly.
1:00:42But you won't have. She had no She was
1:00:46basically thrown into this situation
1:00:49>> for the simple fact that if it went down
1:00:52like
1:00:55you disrespect me, but I'm in her house.
1:00:57>> Uhhuh.
1:00:58>> But I go out my way, but I but I'm a
1:01:00good friend of yours also.
1:01:02>> I go out my way and
1:01:05shoot this man.
1:01:07I'm putting you in a situation. You
1:01:09know,
1:01:10>> because I know, you know, being a good
1:01:13friend that you wouldn't just
1:01:16911, this guy named such so such and
1:01:18such just did this in my house, you
1:01:21know.
1:01:21>> Mhm. She's not going to turn into cuz
1:01:24are Jacob and Neva friends
1:01:28>> from what I understand. Yeah.
1:01:28>> Are they better friends than you and
1:01:30Neva?
1:01:31>> Actually, I think um you know her longer
1:01:34than I know Neva.
1:01:36>> What does it necessarily mean when you
1:01:37close her though? You carry a gun?
1:01:39>> Who?
1:01:40>> You carry a gun?
1:01:40>> No.
1:01:41>> Whose gun was up at the desk?
1:01:44She gave the cops a three.
1:01:47>> Who?
1:01:47>> It was at the house.
1:01:49>> Okay.
1:01:52>> Whose gun is that?
1:01:54>> I don't know. You be your brothers.
1:01:57>> Was it possible that that's the gun that
1:01:59was used to shoot?
1:02:01Um,
1:02:02>> pretty sure it's not.
1:02:03>> Pretty sure.
1:02:05Let me ask you. Let me ask you this.
1:02:08If you're saying that you didn't go with
1:02:10the white
1:02:12>> with the video and what other people are
1:02:14saying says other
1:02:16>> other people say so
1:02:18>> more than one person
1:02:19>> says otherwise but you say
1:02:21[clears throat] you did it
1:02:23>> if it's something that that's it's that
1:02:25simple that I explained that it could be
1:02:26any from innocent to to to sinister
1:02:30>> but you won't
1:02:32you
1:02:33>> you got to
1:02:34>> you deny that even though the video and
1:02:36other people say that That's what
1:02:37happened.
1:02:37>> Do you have a sense of business
1:02:38adjustment?
1:02:39>> Yes. And you deny that even though
1:02:42that's what the video and other people
1:02:43tell tell us that's what happened. And
1:02:45look, video video trumps a lot of
1:02:46things. People tell me stuff all the
1:02:47time. I watch a video and some they say
1:02:49not on video. I'm like,
1:02:51>> I know they're not telling the truth.
1:02:53Video video answers a lot of questions.
1:02:56But but you denied that when it could be
1:02:59nothing. Something as simple as I didn't
1:03:01know what this project was going to do
1:03:03and we can't even get to that point.
1:03:05Then how can I believe you when other
1:03:07people say that you were also involved
1:03:09in beating Gabriel and you say you
1:03:11didn't do that either. How can I believe
1:03:12you
1:03:13>> when I know that the other I know you're
1:03:15lying about going with the white
1:03:18>> I know you're not telling the truth. I
1:03:19know you're not being honest.
1:03:23>> You know what I mean? So how can I know
1:03:25that you're not being that that you're
1:03:26being honest about not beating?
1:03:30I think a lot of this stuff about
1:03:31everyone beating is more to spread
1:03:33around the the blame, to spread around
1:03:35the fault.
1:03:36>> If I'm getting in trouble for this, I'm
1:03:38gonna make sure somebody else does.
1:03:40>> I don't know everybody I don't know if
1:03:42everybody at the house beat him or not,
1:03:43but I know that that's what that's what
1:03:45we're being told. I do know what the
1:03:48video from Carriage House says.
1:03:50>> You know what I'm saying?
1:03:51>> Can't fix the video.
1:03:52>> But you won't even like We can't even be
1:03:54honest about Carriage House. How do I
1:03:56know we can't even be honest about my
1:03:58video?
1:04:02Because the way that it looks there is
1:04:03that basically all that comes down to it
1:04:05is when I'm asked how this interview
1:04:07went from my supervisor and we're like,
1:04:09"Hey, how did this go when y'all talked
1:04:11about it?" One of the things I always
1:04:13want to know is is the person that you
1:04:15talk to. One thing that people always
1:04:18care about I don't know that I that I
1:04:21always understand why is is this person
1:04:23a dangerous person a danger to the
1:04:25community or is this person a good
1:04:27person that made a mistake wrong place
1:04:29wrong time that happens a lot very few
1:04:32people that are really bad people in the
1:04:34community
1:04:35>> a lot of people end up in the wrong
1:04:37place wrong time make some mistakes and
1:04:39sometimes they make those mistakes more
1:04:41than once but they're not this bad
1:04:42person what they're going to ask me is
1:04:45my what my thought is on Yeah. And
1:04:47they're also going to want to know,
1:04:48well, one of the ways we decide that are
1:04:50they honest about what happened? Because
1:04:52this person has no reason to be honest
1:04:54about it because they truly are a bad
1:04:56person. This person has every reason to
1:04:58be honest about it because they ended up
1:05:00at the wrong place at the wrong time in
1:05:02a situation that really they weren't
1:05:04prepared to deal with and made a mistake
1:05:07or made a decision that they wish they
1:05:10hadn't made or made a decision that they
1:05:11wouldn't make again if they were in the
1:05:13same situation. But they're going to
1:05:14want to know that. And at this point,
1:05:16all I have to say is that that
1:05:20there's not been any honesty about any
1:05:21of that.
1:05:24>> That would be a bad suggestion.
1:05:26>> What's that?
1:05:27>> That would be a bad suggestion.
1:05:29>> It's not a bad sense of judgement.
1:05:31>> It's for what a person knows.
1:05:34>> But we're not being we're not being
1:05:35honest about
1:05:37>> we're not being honest about even even
1:05:39the simple things even the easy things
1:05:41about going to carriage house. We can't
1:05:43be honest about that. How can I trust
1:05:46that we can be honest about the fact
1:05:48that
1:05:50that you that you took part in hitting
1:05:53him with the bat?
1:05:55>> Um,
1:05:56you tell me. I mean, how can I how can I
1:05:58know? How can I know that you're being
1:05:59honest with me? Can't [clears throat] be
1:06:01honest about even something simple.
1:06:04>> That's crazy.
1:06:05>> Asking you about a gun at Destiny. It's
1:06:07either yours or it's hers. It's not the
1:06:09babies.
1:06:10>> No, it's it's not it's not the answer
1:06:13either.
1:06:14So,
1:06:14>> because there's more than just her and
1:06:17the baby that stays there, the mother,
1:06:20the father, and the brother and the
1:06:21friends.
1:06:22>> It's in her room.
1:06:24>> Hey,
1:06:24>> I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So
1:06:26far, we've not had any honesty.
1:06:29>> Check it out. You can check it out
1:06:30though on that part.
1:06:32>> What?
1:06:33>> That could be checked out though on that
1:06:34part.
1:06:35>> But we don't.
1:06:36>> I'm not worried about it. I know. I
1:06:37know. I would I know what I did and I
1:06:39know what I didn't do. You know what I'm
1:06:40saying? Is it Is that her dope in the
1:06:42house or is it yours? Or is it yours?
1:06:44>> What do
1:06:45>> they found some dope? I don't know.
1:06:46>> Okay.
1:06:47>> I don't know if it's
1:06:49>> It could be It could be something.
1:06:50>> It might be talking about weed. I don't
1:06:51know. Just say
1:06:53>> it could be mine. Could be hers.
1:06:55>> Could be her brothers. Could be anybody.
1:06:57I don't even know.
1:06:58>> I know that.
1:06:59>> It could be anybody's. But
1:07:00>> I'm not going to speak on something I
1:07:01really don't know.
1:07:02>> But you're not being honest about
1:07:04anything.
1:07:07>> Anything.
1:07:09You're telling me you were there except
1:07:11for all of the times when
1:07:14it might be
1:07:16questionable about you being there.
1:07:17You're like, "Yeah, I was there, but I
1:07:19wasn't there when the guy got beat. I
1:07:20wasn't there on that." He was he was
1:07:22okay. He wasn't okay. You could see his
1:07:25skull. His skull was exposed. Everyone
1:07:27was aware of this.
1:07:28>> But he was he was not okay. He wasn't
1:07:31sitting up talking. He wasn't sitting up
1:07:33being silly. He wasn't any of that. And
1:07:35if you're telling me that he was, I know
1:07:37that's also not true.
1:07:39He's saying he wasn't up period
1:07:41responsive.
1:07:42>> He might have been like making noise.
1:07:44Everybody said he was just making noise
1:07:45and stuff like that, but the other
1:07:46people there.
1:07:47>> Yeah, they Okay. I don't know about that
1:07:48part cuz they probably were there
1:07:49throughout the day, but [clears throat]
1:07:50when I came by,
1:07:51>> you said you were in and out all day.
1:07:53>> Exactly. That's what I'm saying. If they
1:07:54were constantly there like when I came
1:07:56back?
1:07:58>> Yeah.
1:07:59>> They saw the same spot. Yeah. He
1:08:01probably was, but that mean he was Did
1:08:02>> he look like someone to you that you
1:08:04thought was going to survive or No.
1:08:07Um, that's a question.
1:08:09>> You ever seen anybody beat that bad
1:08:10before?
1:08:11>> Yeah.
1:08:12>> Did they live or die?
1:08:13>> They You ever seen someone skull?
1:08:16>> Yeah.
1:08:17>> Did you see his skull?
1:08:18>> No.
1:08:21Pay attention to that. His response,
1:08:24like I said, I seen most of the time is
1:08:27like his hair was it was even his hair
1:08:29was bugging it was hanging.
1:08:31>> Mhm.
1:08:32>> And yeah, damn. He'sed up.
1:08:36But
1:08:37>> did you hear any conversations from the
1:08:38other people about what happened
1:08:41>> or is he listening to his conversations?
1:08:43>> Yeah, I was conversations. The
1:08:44conversation I was mainly listening to
1:08:46was on how situation came about, you
1:08:50know.
1:08:52Um, no, not like, yeah, I hit him with a
1:08:55bat type thing. I didn't hear anybody
1:08:56say that.
1:08:57>> Tell him what started it.
1:09:00>> Like I said that, um, he's been getting
1:09:02into it with everybody at the house for
1:09:05at least a week.
1:09:06Well, when I was over there, you know,
1:09:07everybody had somebody
1:09:08>> Why is he allowed back in there?
1:09:10>> I get uh my my imp my first impression
1:09:13was even told me that that was her
1:09:14cousin or something like that or good
1:09:17friend or I don't know.
1:09:19>> Mhm.
1:09:19>> So, okay, cool. As long as everything's
1:09:22good.
1:09:23>> Yeah. But it seems like not everything's
1:09:25good, right?
1:09:27>> Everything changed up.
1:09:30>> Everything changed up.
1:09:31>> So, what's the conversation?
1:09:32>> So, I guess when Huh.
1:09:33>> What's the conversation you heard?
1:09:36Uh Josh was like he just uh disrespected
1:09:39my brother and stuff like that
1:09:41>> the same day and he wasn't happy about
1:09:45it and they were talking about
1:09:48contemplating on what they they want to
1:09:50beat him up you know like come outside
1:09:54let's fight [snorts] outside you know
1:09:56>> I was like okay that seems pretty fair
1:09:59if you disrespect you you know go
1:10:01outside have a fight
1:10:03but like I said it's not about This is
1:10:05just what going on in my head. They just
1:10:06want to fight the guy. He didn't he
1:10:09didn't want to fight. That's all I knew.
1:10:15Came back. He was beat up.
1:10:19>> When you see he's beat up and you heard
1:10:21before that we wanted to fight.
1:10:24>> You didn't ask anybody what happened
1:10:25like what?
1:10:26>> Good.
1:10:27>> Did you hear anyone talk about it?
1:10:28>> I just gave my own self u a judgment on
1:10:32that. That's what I thought. I think it
1:10:34will it did get worse. It seemed like it
1:10:36got worse cuz he'll be responsive, but
1:10:41are y'all what are y'all going to do
1:10:42about this? You know,
1:10:44>> how long did he sit there for?
1:10:46>> He's been there throughout the whole day
1:10:47when I kept my
1:10:49>> Do you think you need Do you think you
1:10:50need to go to the hospital?
1:10:52>> Yeah. At one point in time. Yeah.
1:10:54>> How long did you think then?
1:10:57>> It's too late. And when you're not
1:10:59responding enough to where you got, you
1:11:02know, blood on your face,
1:11:03>> blood's caked on.
1:11:04>> Yeah. You know,
1:11:06>> I mean, you're not just going to let
1:11:08that happen to your steps. So
1:11:10>> Mhm.
1:11:15>> where the other going to be.
1:11:20>> Why didn't you call anybody?
1:11:22>> Number one, I don't have a phone.
1:11:24>> Cuz you're going in and out, right?
1:11:26Number two, that wasn't it really wasn't
1:11:28my that's what I'm saying.
1:11:30>> I know, but
1:11:31>> I felt like
1:11:33>> I didn't want any part of it.
1:11:36>> But if you're in and out of the house,
1:11:37you could have called in the wiser.
1:11:39>> Mhm. But then you know what happened
1:11:41after that? Kind of like it would have
1:11:43been like,
1:11:47okay, I'll be calling the uh ambulance.
1:11:50Okay, we have a guy over here on such
1:11:51and such. He's bleeding pretty bad.
1:11:53didn't get help.
1:11:55Okay, they show up and people are
1:11:58starting to think, dang, well, how did
1:12:01the ambulance just show up here out of
1:12:02nowhere? Cuz I was about to probably sit
1:12:03there and wait. If I call the ambulance,
1:12:06that'll be the best thing probably. But
1:12:08you don't have to sit there. You'll give
1:12:10the address and they were going to go
1:12:11there and find out what's up,
1:12:13>> right?
1:12:15>> They have people poking around looking
1:12:17around trying to find out what's going
1:12:18on with that. And if it do come down to
1:12:21me, we'll have a person I thought was my
1:12:23associate slashfriend
1:12:26coming at me,
1:12:28maybe want to shoot me.
1:12:30>> Why Jacob?
1:12:31>> You know,
1:12:33that's probably the I said I'm at fault
1:12:36for that cuz by the end of the day, I
1:12:38had to probably basically what they're
1:12:40saying is I have to take that chance to
1:12:42see if he would shoot me or not. You
1:12:44know, make sure this man doesn't pay.
1:12:45>> Probably shoot me for an ambulance.
1:12:48That would be most caused
1:12:51because I'll be called a snitch after
1:12:53that. A person who would told on him for
1:12:56the simple fact that
1:12:58>> the ambulance would have got there and
1:12:59they wouldn't just say, "Oh yeah, this
1:13:00man just beat up. We need to find out
1:13:02how this man got like this,
1:13:04>> right?
1:13:05>> What is what's a snitch in your
1:13:07>> just a person telling
1:13:10another person business that they
1:13:12probably want conceals?" I don't know.
1:13:14>> Do you feel like Geneva saying that you
1:13:16were involved in a serious snitch? No.
1:13:18>> Why not?
1:13:18>> Like like I said, she probably feel like
1:13:20I'll protect her in some type of way.
1:13:22Help her out, you know, get the get
1:13:25>> What about the white people saying
1:13:26you're involved? Does that make him a
1:13:27snitch?
1:13:28>> He really doesn't know me. So, what
1:13:29would he have to tell about?
1:13:31>> Well, I told you what he said. He said
1:13:33what you
1:13:33>> most of their stories the exact same.
1:13:36>> Did he say me?
1:13:38[cough]
1:13:38>> He never knew [clears throat] my name.
1:13:39>> He didn't know your name.
1:13:41>> He described you, but he didn't know
1:13:42your name.
1:13:43>> He said he never seen you until that
1:13:44day.
1:13:49The only person I think he said he knew
1:13:51was the other girl was another girl was
1:13:53he said you didn't know
1:13:59[clears throat]
1:14:01the girl that I didn't know called him
1:14:03over there
1:14:05>> the only person he said
1:14:08>> I mean that's how I ended up see this
1:14:11it's like so much so much one time it
1:14:14goes on Like you can't even keep up.
1:14:18Like a whole different situation over
1:14:21here.
1:14:21>> Mhm.
1:14:22>> Whole different situation over here.
1:14:25Come together. Nobody just going. Now
1:14:28you might get the wrong impression on
1:14:29what's really going on, you know. So
1:14:32>> there's one thing that helps us figure
1:14:34out what's going on video.
1:14:40>> Cool.
1:14:47No,
1:14:48I mean because you're right. Sometimes
1:14:50it's hard to know. Person says one
1:14:53thing, person says another thing,
1:14:54different people saying different
1:14:55things.
1:14:56When you lay a video over the top of it
1:14:58though, things become pretty clear.
1:15:04>> Sure does.
1:15:07Like let's take a dude for example. He
1:15:10says
1:15:12says, "No, no, we just took him over
1:15:13carriage house cuz we figured he could
1:15:15he'd be able to go in and get some help
1:15:16over there."
1:15:18>> So I pulled up, he jumped out the back,
1:15:20walked in,
1:15:22and I was like,
1:15:24[clears throat]
1:15:27>> you know what?
1:15:28>> Yeah.
1:15:33>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:15:37>> Yeah. And then I tell him what what the
1:15:39video shows. And he's like, "Yeah,
1:15:42but he says, "Look, I didn't know.
1:15:46I didn't know he died." He said, "I
1:15:48didn't know he could die." He said, "I
1:15:49thought I leave him there someone will
1:15:52find him or he would be able to go up
1:15:54there and get some help at the carriage
1:15:55house and not burn out."
1:15:57>> I mean, that's a pretty public place,
1:15:59right? You been there before?
1:16:01>> I just heard about the place. You never
1:16:04just dribble.
1:16:06>> There's always people there's people
1:16:07there walking around all all times of
1:16:09the day and I
1:16:10>> people check in. They come in late
1:16:11night.
1:16:12>> But you know I mean he's like
1:16:15and people
1:16:19I get why I said what he said. I mean
1:16:20he's worried about he worried that
1:16:25she don't want to be the one getting
1:16:26caught him in the car. Okay.
1:16:30>> Why wouldn't we?
1:16:33>> Leave him at a place that a lot of
1:16:34people go,
1:16:36>> but we're not going to be too close. You
1:16:37can't drop them at the front, right?
1:16:40>> I don't think nobody's in their right
1:16:42mind when
1:16:43>> So you trying to do a little matter of
1:16:45fact. Matter of fact, I think somebody
1:16:46would do that.
1:16:48>> Why?
1:16:49>> Why would you drop at the hospital if
1:16:50you go public?
1:16:51>> Exactly. Cuz it'll be right there in
1:16:52front.
1:16:53>> I mean, you just drop him at the front
1:16:54ER and roll off.
1:16:57But that's a little bit more risky,
1:16:58right?
1:16:58>> Yeah.
1:17:00>> So, go to a place that probably don't
1:17:02have cameras,
1:17:04>> right?
1:17:05>> Would you think that place has cameras
1:17:07just looking at the outside of it?
1:17:12>> Is it the nicest hotel you've ever seen?
1:17:14>> No.
1:17:15>> Do you think that place has good
1:17:16cameras?
1:17:18>> Never even like paid attention to it
1:17:20like that.
1:17:21>> You know what I mean? Like, do you think
1:17:22a place would invest in a camera system
1:17:24if it looked like
1:17:24>> what I heard? Off what I heard. No.
1:17:26Yeah.
1:17:27>> You know what I mean? Like why would you
1:17:28why would you spend the money whenever
1:17:29the front of it looks like crap? You
1:17:31make sense.
1:17:32>> Why don't you get new beds or something?
1:17:36>> You just said you just said no one in
1:17:37their right mind would drop them off at
1:17:38the front and then you switch. I was
1:17:40like yeah somebody maybe in that right
1:17:42>> maybe I should go say that
1:17:43>> because if they don't know what they're
1:17:45getting into just jump into a situation.
1:17:48>> Yep.
1:17:49>> And they say the man is responsive then
1:17:53drop off somewhere somebody can see him
1:17:54quickly. Mhm.
1:17:56>> Or you know,
1:17:58>> you don't want Nea getting stuck with
1:18:00that, right?
1:18:01>> The things you did.
1:18:02>> I'm pretty sure nobody would.
1:18:03>> You switched it. And the reason you
1:18:05switched it is because you're worried
1:18:07about that situation.
1:18:08>> No. You about to put yourself in that
1:18:10shoot. If you weren't in the right mind
1:18:13or if you were not, if you wanted to
1:18:16save I mean, at least like I said, it
1:18:19sounds like the white boy was brought
1:18:21into the situation out of nowhere. So if
1:18:24he was in his right mind, he probably
1:18:26would have just been like, "Okay, I'm
1:18:27going to drop him off here. Hopefully
1:18:28somebody sees him and he can get help
1:18:31instead of just going straight to the
1:18:33emergency room."
1:18:36>> But why doesn't everyone just stay?
1:18:38He was going to get stuck.
1:18:41>> Ne still would probably
1:18:44>> cuz who's tied to that apartment
1:18:46>> the most?
1:18:47>> Ne, right?
1:18:48>> Yeah.
1:18:49>> Who we going to come talk to first?
1:18:52>> Right. So, no one wants that on Nether,
1:18:55right? Cuz she's been cool. She takes
1:18:56care of people.
1:18:57>> Does it make sense?
1:18:58>> What?
1:18:59>> Why?
1:19:00>> And one thing, one thing that it comes
1:19:01down to, I think it's important that you
1:19:03think about this is that when this case
1:19:07gets looked at, Neva, the white guy in
1:19:10the video all support the same thing
1:19:12that you were there when the white guy
1:19:14dropped the dude off at the church
1:19:15house. And I've already thrown out just
1:19:18some examples, and you know, I could be
1:19:19way off with my examples. something
1:19:21outside of that of
1:19:22>> I have a question too
1:19:24>> of him being taken over there to get
1:19:25>> finished. They said he came originally.
1:19:29>> Somewhere of the person that went over
1:19:31there to finish him off or the person
1:19:33that was just happened to be in the car
1:19:34with him whenever he decided to do what
1:19:36he's going to do.
1:19:38You dismiss all of the explanations
1:19:40between the two. That's any explanation
1:19:42you would be there. So I got to assume
1:19:43that none of that's the reason you
1:19:45either that or maybe it's way on the
1:19:46left. Maybe y'all want him to die. Maybe
1:19:48you thought he would die. Maybe I
1:19:50thought he would die. Maybe that's what
1:19:51people wanted to happen. I don't know.
1:19:54But [clears throat] as people look at it
1:19:55and it's like, look, you can say you
1:19:58didn't do it all you want. You can say
1:19:59you weren't there all you want,
1:20:02but there's evidence you were there.
1:20:03There's the other people involved as
1:20:06witnesses that you were there, but you
1:20:08dismiss it all like you weren't there.
1:20:10That doesn't change any of that.
1:20:13>> What are people going to believe? And
1:20:15then they're going to be left to their
1:20:16own conclusions because you don't offer
1:20:17a conclusion. Hey,
1:20:18>> you don't offer an explanation. So,
1:20:20people are going to make their own
1:20:21explanation
1:20:23>> and people be like, "Well, I wouldn't
1:20:24tell if I was doing something bad." And
1:20:25other people, well, I would tell them if
1:20:27I was wasn't doing something bad. I
1:20:28would at least try to clear this up. You
1:20:30don't offer anything.
1:20:33>> That's That's what I'm trying to say.
1:20:35>> And so, it makes me think that maybe it
1:20:37is more on this side over here.
1:20:39>> Maybe y'all were mad at him because he's
1:20:40a pervert, but you know what? Nobody
1:20:43likes those dudes.
1:20:44>> That's the way of life. Nobody likes be.
1:20:46It's always going to be like
1:20:48why would you interfere with what he got
1:20:50going on his lifestyle? Cuz I have my
1:20:52own problems. You know,
1:20:53>> but people do because we live in a
1:20:55society where we all interfere with
1:20:56people.
1:20:56>> They don't piss you either.
1:20:58>> What?
1:20:59>> Mess with kids and kids.
1:21:02>> Uh, of course it it doesn't necessarily
1:21:04piss me off, but it's like I know that's
1:21:07not right.
1:21:08>> It's not.
1:21:08>> I wouldn't want nobody to do that
1:21:10anywhere. kids. I'm talking about little
1:21:12kids, not like not like teenagers. We're
1:21:15talking about little kids.
1:21:18>> But I wouldn't go out of my way and make
1:21:19a judgment on somebody else's life.
1:21:21>> Well, maybe not. But if somebody else
1:21:23had already made the judgment, now
1:21:25Neva's left because maybe Jacob and and
1:21:28these guys did this and they left. Now
1:21:31Neva's got this dude in her house. What
1:21:32is she supposed to do with this dude?
1:21:34What if he dies in her house?
1:21:36>> She
1:21:38>> What's she going to do?
1:21:38>> She's out of there. She don't get out
1:21:40there.
1:21:41>> Well, no, it doesn't matter because it's
1:21:42her house. We're still gonna find her.
1:21:44We're gonna find out who has that house.
1:21:46>> That's what I'm saying.
1:21:48>> My Jacob didn't do her any favors.
1:21:50>> No.
1:21:51>> No. Hell no. He did.
1:21:52>> He didn't do anybody a favor.
1:21:53>> He left He left her to clean up the mess
1:21:56that he made. Maybe her friends helped
1:21:59her do that. Maybe that's what it is.
1:22:02>> Cuz I think why is my friend get stuck
1:22:04with something that they had? And now
1:22:07leave us all up in the middle of this.
1:22:09Very likely that Jacob just taking care
1:22:11of his own business. Nobody's involved
1:22:14in
1:22:15>> but Jacob
1:22:18>> and his own be
1:22:19>> and he don't bring anyone.
1:22:21>> So dry
1:22:22>> do what?
1:22:23>> I know. And it seems so dry cuz I can't
1:22:26even seem to put myself in Jacob's
1:22:28situation on what this man has going on
1:22:31in his life and how he would say
1:22:33something disrespectful to me to where
1:22:36I'm going still, you know, make God's
1:22:38choice. Try to make God's choice
1:22:43and then leave somebody else up to it.
1:22:45So,
1:22:46it's pretty jacked up just to leave
1:22:47somebody beat like that.
1:22:50>> But not only that, you're
1:22:51>> maybe the dude had it coming. Maybe he
1:22:53did. You know what I'm saying? Maybe he
1:22:56did. I don't know. Sometimes people do.
1:22:58Do you agree?
1:22:58>> I agree, Will.
1:22:59>> I agree. We all do. You know, you know
1:23:01where I try to put myself in that
1:23:02situation? I have to wait.
1:23:04>> I know. But we all agree. Sometimes
1:23:05people have it coming.
1:23:06>> Yeah.
1:23:07>> Neva didn't have it coming. Neva didn't
1:23:09need to be stuck.
1:23:09>> Don't Don't
1:23:12seems like she does anything she can for
1:23:14people, right? You're inviting everybody
1:23:16into your house.
1:23:16>> What would Neva do if that beard ended
1:23:18up dead or unresponsive at her house?
1:23:23Maybe it was no more. We got to help Eva
1:23:24out.
1:23:25>> She would have. The best thing she had
1:23:27to do at that time is
1:23:28>> she's been in a mess.
1:23:32>> She would have.
1:23:35Now she's already in a little bit of a
1:23:37mess because of other people making
1:23:40stupid decisions.
1:23:42>> It don't even seem like it was a
1:23:43decision at all. Just a decision made
1:23:46after action.
1:23:48>> What do you mean there?
1:23:49>> Thinking. uh not thinking before you you
1:23:51know
1:23:54>> the Jacob
1:23:55>> Jacob
1:23:57>> I believe he had to think about the
1:23:59situation after he maybe got trigger
1:24:01happy or however he felt about the
1:24:03situation
1:24:06you know was
1:24:08>> it's not working
1:24:10>> huh
1:24:11>> what's she going to do after they take
1:24:12off
1:24:14>> what I mean
1:24:15>> exactly what she did I guess what sit
1:24:19She just sat there with him.
1:24:20>> I don't know. She is.
1:24:21>> I'm just saying.
1:24:22>> You're coming in and out, right? Like,
1:24:23what is she doing?
1:24:25>> So, you're coming in and out of the
1:24:26house.
1:24:27>> She's basically thinking that they're
1:24:29going to somebody's going to
1:24:32>> go and fix it.
1:24:32>> Exactly.
1:24:34>> How can you undo that?
1:24:38>> You think going to come back and be
1:24:40like,
1:24:42>> but somebody fix it by getting this dude
1:24:44out of here. Set him up somewhere else
1:24:45so he's not here. So, he's not there.
1:24:48Yeah,
1:24:49that's already too much.
1:24:51>> That's like hot potato back in the day.
1:24:52>> It's not too much. It's not too much cuz
1:24:54what if
1:24:55>> because you know but the theory is about
1:24:57the thing is if somebody does that you
1:24:59notice your consequences. You're
1:25:01supposed to supposed to
1:25:04already be owning up to that instead of
1:25:08like
1:25:09>> making somebody else fall for that, you
1:25:11know, especially somebody that look out
1:25:13for you.
1:25:13>> But you and I both know the streets
1:25:14don't don't play that way. It's always a
1:25:16dump.
1:25:17>> It's about me being me and me me, right?
1:25:21>> Sometimes if it's your family or your
1:25:22brother, it's not that way. But 99% of
1:25:24the time,
1:25:25>> not many people fall in the way.
1:25:26>> 99% of the time it's about
1:25:30>> Yeah. That's what people are going to
1:25:31think first of all.
1:25:32>> Mhm.
1:25:33>> First come self-preservation.
1:25:35>> Yeah.
1:25:37>> It's it's natural instinct.
1:25:40>> It's biological.
1:25:46And everybody's trying to get off on
1:25:48everybody else.
1:25:49>> But next comes taking care of others,
1:25:51right?
1:25:52>> The ones you care about.
1:25:54You said you care about Nemo.
1:25:56>> You already said you care about Nemo,
1:25:58right?
1:25:59>> If she wants to protect you and you want
1:26:00to protect her, right?
1:26:03>> Now, if she's sitting here with this
1:26:04this guy in her living room bleeding all
1:26:06over the place, what's she going to do?
1:26:08Just let him keep bleeding. See what
1:26:10happens. Or maybe we're going to take
1:26:12him somewhere. or maybe he had been
1:26:13failed.
1:26:15>> It said the first one seems like out of
1:26:17all day if it was
1:26:20>> So he keeps getting worse, right?
1:26:22>> I mean, maybe they thought maybe he'll
1:26:24get better. Maybe he'll just walk out of
1:26:25here.
1:26:27I'm just saying.
1:26:29>> You never know. Did you know if he would
1:26:31have did that? Yeah.
1:26:32>> You could tell he wouldn't walk out of
1:26:33there and get good, right?
1:26:34>> Huh?
1:26:35>> You could tell he ain't about to just
1:26:36get up and walk out of here
1:26:37>> by about by the third time. I can't.
1:26:40>> But he keeps declining, right? He keeps
1:26:43At first you're like, "Well, maybe, you
1:26:44know," and then you're like, "Well,
1:26:45maybe he needs medical help." And the
1:26:47last you're like, "He's he's not doing
1:26:48good at all."
1:26:49>> And so, you got to get him out of there.
1:26:51>> Does that make sense?
1:26:53>> Y'all got to do something cuz
1:26:56>> What are we going to What do we got to
1:26:57do?
1:26:58>> No, I'm talking about that guy in the
1:27:00apartment, right?
1:27:01>> That's what I think. What kind of What
1:27:04kind of message do you mean if if he
1:27:05goes unresponsive in the apartment?
1:27:09So if we drop him off at a hotel where
1:27:11people constantly go to and from maybe
1:27:13that's finding get him what he needs.
1:27:16>> That's what
1:27:17>> we're all back to square one.
1:27:20>> And if you can't
1:27:21>> Sounds good. Did it look good?
1:27:23>> That's theory. [clears throat]
1:27:25>> Well, every theory ps out.
1:27:27>> It does sound good. You say you say it
1:27:29doesn't look good, but it looks
1:27:30>> I say it doesn't. I mean
1:27:32>> it looks good.
1:27:32>> I didn't say doesn't. I say it does.
1:27:34>> And it it looks good though. somebody
1:27:35does find it, you call an ambulance. You
1:27:38know what I'm saying? Then it looks
1:27:39fine. Then it's no problem.
1:27:45>> You let the situation build that far um
1:27:48to where if you look at it at first,
1:27:51all the traffic that goes through,
1:27:53anything can happen, you know.
1:27:54>> Mhm. You think about
1:27:55>> But nobody's not even going to expect
1:27:58this.
1:28:00>> Yeah.
1:28:00>> First off top, you know. Well, no one
1:28:03expected Jacob to shoot him though,
1:28:05right? No.
1:28:06>> Did you think he'd shoot him?
1:28:09>> Did they ever come across your brain?
1:28:11>> Never. Why?
1:28:14>> I mean, he he made that decision, right?
1:28:16>> Yeah. He he served his
1:28:19understand he served his time for that
1:28:21whatever he uh they found out him being
1:28:24a registered sex offender and
1:28:26>> Mhm.
1:28:27>> you know,
1:28:28>> Gabriel that Yeah, that's his he he did
1:28:30that.
1:28:30>> That's his birth. Now, now if he would
1:28:33to keep on doing that, that's on him.
1:28:36You know, get karma.
1:28:37>> Not everyone feels that way.
1:28:39>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I can't
1:28:41think for him.
1:28:43>> I just don't like, you know, I still
1:28:45wouldn't did that. That's that's too
1:28:46cruel with this right there.
1:28:48>> What?
1:28:50>> Just go off mindset. I mean, first thing
1:28:52you talking about, shoot this. He just
1:28:54shoot me and he's on top of this.
1:28:56>> But I do think you're a person that will
1:28:58want to take care of deep and the last
1:29:00thing you want is for unresponsive in
1:29:02her house.
1:29:04>> Yeah, of course. I mean, a common sense
1:29:06>> because at that point you're thinking,
1:29:08well, there's maybe a way we can get him
1:29:10somewhere where he can get help or
1:29:12something.
1:29:12>> There's a chance somebody's going to
1:29:13come by here and maybe he'll email us a
1:29:16call. We're away from at this point.
1:29:19We're good to go.
1:29:20>> I was uh at the point when I walked in
1:29:23with a white guy, go ahead and call
1:29:24somebody because I hope you don't think
1:29:26you're going to go to sleep with this
1:29:27guy in the house. So, call ambulance.
1:29:32What are y'all going to do?
1:29:33>> They're going to ask a question.
1:29:35>> Yeah. Where?
1:29:36>> Yeah.
1:29:36>> Let's say you call him right then.
1:29:38>> While guy's there, you start calling
1:29:39right then. What What are the analysts
1:29:40going to do? You already said it once.
1:29:42[snorts]
1:29:43>> They're going to want to right
1:29:45[clears throat]
1:29:45>> and then just fall off the couch.
1:29:47>> Exactly.
1:29:49>> And so you got to get him somewhere.
1:29:50You're not around or he was not around.
1:29:52If it gets this far where you have to
1:29:56let the story go anyway, might as well
1:29:57just let it go right then and there
1:29:58because Jacob wasn't the friend in the
1:30:01first place if he did this and left you
1:30:04high and dry with,
1:30:06you know,
1:30:08>> you know, so
1:30:10>> it's too risky to take her to the
1:30:11hospital. It's too many people.
1:30:13>> You might as well call the ambulance
1:30:14first. That's the first instant should
1:30:17cuz if you got to tell a story to them,
1:30:19>> you got to tell a story to somebody
1:30:20else. What if you start worrying that
1:30:22it's been this long?
1:30:25>> That's going to be on the person that
1:30:28really owns the house. Yeah.
1:30:30>> Right.
1:30:30>> Exactly. So,
1:30:32what decision is she going to make?
1:30:34>> Mhm.
1:30:36But it's not just her decision. There's
1:30:38other people there making calls.
1:30:40>> Yeah. But it has to be on her conscious
1:30:41most since it's under her name, her
1:30:44house, you know.
1:30:45>> I know. But I want you to think about
1:30:47this whenever we talk to her about it.
1:30:50Out of all of the things that she could
1:30:52have said,
1:30:54>> she said, "Me and the white guy." He
1:30:57called him chief.
1:30:59>> Anyway, the white guy said Meech
1:31:01>> and the white guy took him in the white
1:31:03guy's truck.
1:31:12>> And where was his
1:31:14son?
1:31:16Uh, and I could be and I could be
1:31:18missing something on that. Did she say
1:31:20that he that there was another girl at
1:31:22the event or was that another time or
1:31:23something?
1:31:27>> It was she definitely said that me and
1:31:30she took the
1:31:32>> Yeah. The only part about this is took
1:31:34the guy
1:31:34>> could have got wrong impression.
1:31:37But
1:31:39that's one thing I was trying to ask you
1:31:40earlier. I didn't want to interrupt you
1:31:42cuz you had to talk about it. He came
1:31:44over there from the Hey girl.
1:31:48>> Okay.
1:31:49>> Right. What you say?
1:31:50>> Understand this.
1:31:55>> She's one of Nea's friends.
1:31:56>> I know. I think I know. I heard about
1:31:59her, but I I don't know her.
1:32:03>> Well, where'd she go?
1:32:06Is she Is she speaking on me? Did she
1:32:08know me or did she Do you have Did y'all
1:32:11get any contact with her? Where did
1:32:15I mean, she hangs out with me like she
1:32:17was around. I think she also hangs
1:32:18around Villa and
1:32:20>> Mhm.
1:32:20>> stuff like that.
1:32:25>> So, he comes for the a girl. She just
1:32:28disappears.
1:32:28>> But, you know, like I told you too, I
1:32:30mean, it could have been he says he came
1:32:32for the egg girl, but really he came for
1:32:34he came for you. He said he asked for
1:32:36it.
1:32:38>> Yeah.
1:32:39>> I don't know why, but sometimes people
1:32:40afraid to say that. Then we talk to him.
1:32:42I ain't never seen a guy.
1:32:43>> Do you deal with any work?
1:32:44>> I have before.
1:32:49>> As far as the stuff that was in the
1:32:51house today,
1:32:53>> where did that come from?
1:32:55>> What?
1:32:58>> No, at your girl's house.
1:33:01>> Oh, my baby mom.
1:33:04>> No,
1:33:05>> before we
1:33:06>> I didn't remember first.
1:33:07>> I want I want to talk about this though.
1:33:09We'll talk about that. I mean, you know,
1:33:12we're sitting here talking about
1:33:15the the options available are call MS
1:33:18>> or get the studio out. And you you were
1:33:22saying, you know, we're talking about
1:33:23the white. You're talking about Ne's
1:33:26choice to make.
1:33:27>> Out of all the things that Nea could
1:33:28have said about what happened, Neva says
1:33:31meets a white guy to put Gabriel
1:33:36in a white dude's truck, which that
1:33:38happened. The white Gabriel did get in
1:33:41the white truck.
1:33:42>> Yeah,
1:33:43>> he did end up in the truck over at
1:33:45carriage house.
1:33:46>> The only thing I think about that is cuz
1:33:48>> out of all those things
1:33:49>> that old girl, hey, whoever this other
1:33:51girl is, I do not know about
1:33:55>> I told the the white guy when he did ask
1:33:57for the work, I said I might be able to
1:33:58give it to I mean not give it to him,
1:34:00get it for him.
1:34:01>> Yeah.
1:34:03>> But
1:34:05we all leave at the door. I I go to LB
1:34:07and Guess they do their thing or
1:34:10whatever. I don't know where other girls
1:34:12who is, how how they even came about.
1:34:16Probably looked over there. Probably too
1:34:18many people. But
1:34:21I don't understand how
1:34:24this person can be called the wife can
1:34:27be called before I was there.
1:34:30And then I come after him again for the
1:34:33third time.
1:34:36And
1:34:38the girl disappears. Who called him over
1:34:40there? That's the pressure I'm getting.
1:34:42Nemo didn't call him. Neither don't know
1:34:44this guy. I don't think Nemo knows this
1:34:46guy.
1:34:46>> This this other girl, I guess, gave he
1:34:49says that the girl gave him the address.
1:34:53>> Okay.
1:34:54>> Okay. My understanding,
1:34:56correct me if if you have a different
1:34:58understanding of this, is that
1:35:01>> he was originally
1:35:02>> says that you,
1:35:03>> the other girl, and the white guy left
1:35:07to go get this guy to find.
1:35:10>> Okay.
1:35:11>> And it's true.
1:35:12>> Okay. That's what she's saying. Yeah.
1:35:15>> Is that true?
1:35:15>> Is that what she's saying? Me?
1:35:17>> Yes. You?
1:35:19>> This other girl? That's what I'm saying.
1:35:21I don't even know who that is. the other
1:35:22girl that was there
1:35:23>> seen her
1:35:24>> and the white guy left to go find the
1:35:26white guy.
1:35:27>> No, [clears throat]
1:35:28>> that's not
1:35:29>> I told him.
1:35:30>> Why wouldn't you allow her?
1:35:32>> That's the impression she was getting.
1:35:33That's what I'm saying. It might be a
1:35:34wrong impression.
1:35:36I was with the white guy came over. He
1:35:40He I guess he came over, didn't find
1:35:42what he was looking for. Asked me if I
1:35:44can go get it for him. I told him I
1:35:47might be able to get it for him.
1:35:49>> What did he want?
1:35:50>> He wanted some dope. How? What?
1:35:52>> Nothing.
1:35:53>> How much? What?
1:35:56>> Have you money?
1:35:58>> I'm pretty sure he did. If he wanted to
1:36:00do
1:36:01>> Oh, he have to tell you kind of what he
1:36:02looking for. I mean, cuz you're going to
1:36:03come back with an ounce if he ain't got
1:36:05enough for an You know what I'm saying?
1:36:07That's
1:36:07>> I'm pretty sure he did. I don't know how
1:36:09much I said.
1:36:11>> I don't keep it. I don't I don't like
1:36:12cuz I don't know guy, you know?
1:36:14>> Yeah.
1:36:14>> I don't do no extra talking about
1:36:16>> Well, no, that's what I'm saying. I
1:36:17mean, I had to be some sort of an
1:36:18understanding about what was going to
1:36:19happen there. Well, if you'd have come
1:36:21back with an announcement, he'd be like,
1:36:22"I got 50 bucks." You know what I mean?
1:36:25Like,
1:36:26>> uh, so I just want to look around, you
1:36:28know,
1:36:29>> which I probably really wasn't cuz I
1:36:30don't know. I didn't.
1:36:34But
1:36:34>> did you ever did truck?
1:36:36>> No.
1:36:37>> Is there any reason any DNA would ever
1:36:39be in this truck?
1:36:40>> No.
1:36:40>> No reason at all.
1:36:41>> It should be.
1:36:42>> No. Well, it shouldn't be.
1:36:43>> Yeah. That's what I'm saying. No 100%.
1:36:54No hairs, no fibers, no sweat,
1:36:57fingerprints, no nothing in this truck.
1:36:59>> Zebra,
1:37:03>> I told you I didn't even know what this
1:37:04truck look like. I don't even know if he
1:37:06walked up or not,
1:37:11but the car I got the black tribute
1:37:13Mazda.
1:37:15>> What's up?
1:37:16>> Yeah. What's OB's name?
1:37:18>> LB. What?
1:37:21>> L O. Literally, when I met a guy, I said
1:37:26I said, "Let me see your ID." He says
1:37:28LB. He's the number four.
1:37:31>> Yeah.
1:37:34>> Where'd y'all go when you left?
1:37:36>> Who?
1:37:37>> When you and LB left NeA's house. The
1:37:39house [clears throat]
1:37:41whose house?
1:37:42>> His house,
1:37:43>> which is where the second. Yeah.
1:38:04When was it turned off?
1:38:09>> Oh, I can't even think. It's been a
1:38:11minute.
1:38:12>> How do you talk to people?
1:38:14>> Facebook.
1:38:15>> Where do you how do you use Facebook?
1:38:18>> Wi-Fi.
1:38:19>> On this phone?
1:38:20>> Yeah.
1:38:26Can't follow me yet.
1:38:28Uh,
1:38:29>> Galaxy.
1:38:31>> Galaxy.
1:38:32>> Where is it?
1:38:34>> At the house.
1:38:36>> Destiny's house.
1:38:37>> Uh, either there or the address I gave
1:38:40you.
1:38:46>> House on the second street.
1:38:53So if it uses Wi-Fi, every time it hits
1:38:55Wi-Fi,
1:38:57>> even mobile hotspot,
1:38:58>> well, anytime it hits Wi-Fi,
1:39:01>> they give a location.
1:39:02>> Yes, sir.
1:39:03>> That's how it knows where it's at on the
1:39:05network.
1:39:06>> You should look. So every So when we go
1:39:09back look [clears throat]
1:39:11that night, Saturday night,
1:39:15it's going to show you going from
1:39:19>> A to B
1:39:20>> from from Leva's house to 52nd Street
1:39:24and nowhere
1:39:27else. Do you have it with you, Venus?
1:39:30Um,
1:39:35>> pretty sure I did.
1:39:39I don't understand why it wouldn't.
1:39:45>> And it wouldn't show any reason why you
1:39:47anywhere in here.
1:39:51>> There would be any DNA, any hairs, any
1:39:54anything
1:39:58>> any reason anything you have would have
1:40:00Gabriel's blood on it?
1:40:02>> No.
1:40:03>> No. Uh, nope. Unless it was on carpet
1:40:08going through.
1:40:10>> Could you help take the carpet out of
1:40:12N's house?
1:40:13>> No.
1:40:13>> What about the couches?
1:40:15>> Hell no. I'm touching I'm touching
1:40:17nothing.
1:40:19Told you I wouldn't even be doing
1:40:20anything.
1:40:22Just location.
1:40:24>> Would you help me take the carpet
1:40:26couches out of our house if she asked me
1:40:28to?
1:40:30That's a question that I probably don't
1:40:32have an answer to,
1:40:34honestly.
1:40:35>> Would you help take Gabriel out of her
1:40:37house if she asked me to?
1:40:40>> I [snorts] don't have an answer to that
1:40:41either.
1:40:52that night if she'd asked you to take
1:40:54Gabriel out of her house when he was all
1:40:56messed up, would you have helped her?
1:40:58>> I just can't give an answer to the
1:40:59question.
1:41:10>> I don't think she would have, but
1:41:12>> to get on another level, I don't think
1:41:13she'll let me. I don't think she I don't
1:41:15think she'll put me in that situation.
1:41:17She says she did and she says you did.
1:41:20So
1:41:21>> basically
1:41:21>> she put you in this situation. I don't
1:41:23know why she wouldn't put you in that
1:41:24situation.
1:41:24>> Yeah. But I'm saying like me personally
1:41:26if just can you do
1:41:32>> cuz without her giving us your name, we
1:41:34basically just agree on a video
1:41:36>> that this other guy don't even know.
1:41:38>> Exactly.
1:41:39>> So if she did put you put you in this
1:41:41situation, she certainly would have put
1:41:42you in that situation.
1:41:44>> Yeah. Now I'm just I'm just going like I
1:41:46said she's my good friend. So only thing
1:41:48I can think of is it was a wrong
1:41:50impression.
1:41:52>> I don't know that there's a whole lot of
1:41:53wrong impressions being
1:41:56everybody seems to be pretty clear on
1:41:58everything that happened.
1:41:59>> Who is everybody?
1:42:00>> The people at the house, especially me.
1:42:04>> Okay.
1:42:06>> Maybe his dad.
1:42:08>> Okay.
1:42:13>> What you mean? You know what I mean? I
1:42:15mean, it's pretty clear that was a
1:42:16pretty big event for these people.
1:42:18>> I don't think that it's every day that
1:42:20some dude gets
1:42:22>> gets beat like that at her house.
1:42:24>> That's probably a first.
1:42:25>> Exactly. That's why location like
1:42:28>> this probably a first time
1:42:29>> moving. That's why I'm saying it's not
1:42:31like this was some I don't think I got
1:42:33the wrong impression. Maybe I remember,
1:42:35maybe I don't. No.
1:42:37>> She remember
1:42:39>> she remembers the dude's skull showing
1:42:41he was hit. I mean, show
1:42:43>> of course she probably does.
1:42:44>> Yeah,
1:42:44>> of course it is.
1:42:45>> Everybody still solid.
1:42:47>> Yeah,
1:42:48>> I remember seeing it when I saw it on
1:42:49Sunday.
1:42:52>> It's a shocking thing to see. I mean, no
1:42:55matter how many times you've seen it,
1:42:56it's like one of those things that you
1:42:57look at and you're like,
1:43:00>> you know, you know what I mean?
1:43:01>> Yeah.
1:43:03>> It's not right.
1:43:06>> There's always something off about that.
1:43:08No matter how many times you see stuff
1:43:09like that.
1:43:10>> Yeah.
1:43:15We've gone over
1:43:17and we've gone over we've gone over like
1:43:19all these scenarios from we've gone over
1:43:21all these scenarios from
1:43:24>> maybe you're just trying to offer help
1:43:26to help Neva
1:43:27>> because the bind that she's going to be
1:43:29in if if this dude goes unresponsive at
1:43:31her house
1:43:32>> to maybe you didn't like this dude maybe
1:43:34because of his past or maybe he's
1:43:35disrespectful to you or her or whatever.
1:43:37Maybe he wanted wanted to die. I don't
1:43:40know. You've gone from there's all these
1:43:42things in between yet you don't you
1:43:45don't have any explanation for anything.
1:43:47You've offered none.
1:43:48>> Exactly. It's like it's only so much I
1:43:52can't offer when you're not there like
1:43:54to participate in
1:43:57the people are putting you into, you
1:43:59know,
1:44:01and I kind of felt like
1:44:04yeah, these certain people are not my
1:44:06friend.
1:44:08>> You was your friend.
1:44:11And it's more than just
1:44:14people switching up stories on
1:44:18who was there, how everything
1:44:21>> the stories are consistent as they can.
1:44:24>> No one is long.
1:44:26>> No one was like this is what no way. It
1:44:28wasn't like that. It was this or here.
1:44:30No, it's like this is what happened. I
1:44:32remember this. This was two days ago.
1:44:35>> This was a big deal.
1:44:36>> Yeah.
1:44:38>> This was such a big deal. ripped all the
1:44:41carpet furniture out of neighbor's house
1:44:43>> to make sure to get rid of all of this
1:44:46big deal. This was a big deal.
1:44:49>> People aren't confused about what they
1:44:50saw and they're not confused about what
1:44:52they did. Not confused about what they
1:44:53heard.
1:44:54>> Exactly.
1:44:55>> They're not.
1:44:56>> Exactly.
1:44:56>> It's not a normal day. You ask me what I
1:44:59did last Tuesday, I might not be able to
1:45:01remember. Nothing happened on Tuesday.
1:45:05>> But there's days you could ask me about
1:45:07that happened 10 years ago. I can
1:45:09remember exactly where I was or whatever
1:45:11because something big happened that you
1:45:12know I remember it exactly. I'm sure
1:45:14you're the same way.
1:45:16>> There's probably things you remembered
1:45:18that were years ago but you remember
1:45:20them like they were this morning
1:45:23>> cuz I know the everyday routine stuff.
1:45:26>> That's just kind of that's the way this
1:45:27day was.
1:45:30I think that's the way this day was for
1:45:31probably everyone there
1:45:34>> except for our hardest one. Except for
1:45:37our hardest one.
1:45:40>> So we
1:45:42what
1:45:44>> stories aren't confused and not so
1:45:47>> only thing I was confused about was the
1:45:49eight girl
1:45:52besides
1:45:53anything else.
1:45:58It was too much for me to see. So I
1:46:00wanted to move around. That's the only
1:46:02reason why I moved around so fast. You
1:46:03can see one location there for me. Y
1:46:05looked it up. I didn't want to stay
1:46:08there for
1:46:10>> So tell us what happened.
1:46:11>> Extended amount of time, you know. So
1:46:13that's why going there ask what's going
1:46:15on.
1:46:15>> So let's hash this out. Honestly, the
1:46:17truth from the beginning is the truth
1:46:20about life.
1:46:21>> That's what that's all I know.
1:46:24>> I told you that. I believe you're
1:46:26telling me some of the stuff you know
1:46:27you're not telling me all you
1:46:29>> so what are you trying to ask me
1:46:33where I start from a week
1:46:35>> no let's talk about
1:46:37>> Saturday
1:46:38>> let's talk about Saturday
1:46:40>> what happened from the beginning to me
1:46:46>> well my Saturday is going to be
1:46:47different like everybody else's I wasn't
1:46:49there the whole time so when I did wake
1:46:52up
1:46:54uh Want to go get some cigarettes with
1:46:57my brother.
1:46:59Went to divas.
1:47:03There's a guy on the ground.
1:47:07He's beat up. Not beat up that bad. His
1:47:10blood his blood was not is extended
1:47:14through time. Got worse.
1:47:15>> Where was it bleeding from?
1:47:17>> Um maybe bleeding from his face.
1:47:22Not up here.
1:47:25It wasn't that because it was like a
1:47:26glob of blood here later on the day
1:47:29where his head was, but it was basically
1:47:30more the back of his head and a shirt.
1:47:34Sh shirt. It was actually blood and
1:47:36shirt.
1:47:37>> And you wear
1:47:41color.
1:47:45Um,
1:47:52damn. I really didn't pay attention like
1:47:54that.
1:47:54>> You said something.
1:47:55>> It was red. Yeah, it was red.
1:47:58>> The blood or the shirt?
1:47:59>> The blood. It's like wet. You see it?
1:48:03He's getting on the floor.
1:48:05>> You know what color his shirt was? Was
1:48:07he wearing a shirt?
1:48:10>> Yeah, he was wearing a shirt.
1:48:12>> You said you saw blood on the shirt.
1:48:13Which color is the shirt? remember
1:48:15seeing?
1:48:16>> I don't I don't know what color. I
1:48:17forgot what color.
1:48:18>> Then what?
1:48:21>> But I mean, he's he's responsive. I
1:48:23mean, he's responsive. He's he's
1:48:25talking.
1:48:26>> Okay.
1:48:28>> He's really not speaking to anybody in
1:48:31specific. He's just talking in general
1:48:33like these motheruckers that
1:48:36he like like drunk, but I don't think he
1:48:39was drunk.
1:48:40>> He ask you for help?
1:48:41>> No.
1:48:43Okay.
1:48:46I I really want I wanted to say
1:48:48something to him, but like I said, I
1:48:50kept it going way went back there.
1:48:52I know for her um see how she was doing,
1:48:55listen to music. Well,
1:48:59music was on,
1:49:01smoked a cigarette. LB was outside
1:49:03waiting.
1:49:05So, I left.
1:49:06>> Why does LB wait on you when you go
1:49:08here? You don't stand long.
1:49:09>> He doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't stay long.
1:49:11What? Why do you go if you don't play on
1:49:13stand?
1:49:14>> He doesn't play on stand.
1:49:16>> Come back and get you or is he sitting
1:49:17out there all the time?
1:49:18>> He's sitting out there.
1:49:19>> But why do you go like if he don't go
1:49:21in? Like why? What was your he goes in
1:49:24sometimes but he isn't he's him
1:49:26personally? He's not a friendly person
1:49:29like on the cruise like at all. If he
1:49:32doesn't know you, he rather not go
1:49:34around.
1:49:35>> So if I be like, "Come on, brothers.
1:49:37Take me over here. Let me check this
1:49:38one." So he just he just drives you
1:49:40around, let you go in and he waits in
1:49:41the car.
1:49:42>> Not not all the way. Not some because
1:49:44some of the people I do mess with, it's
1:49:46too many people in when we want to go.
1:49:48So he doesn't like that.
1:49:49>> He's like an antisocial person.
1:49:51>> Exactly.
1:49:52>> If he knows the person will go in chill,
1:49:55but you don't know. You'll never know
1:49:57what you walk into. Basically like that
1:50:00day
1:50:01>> at the house.
1:50:03[clears throat]
1:50:04>> So but I wasn't really thinking about
1:50:05really when I left the first time. I
1:50:07really wasn't thinking like anything.
1:50:11>> How long were you there for the first
1:50:12time?
1:50:13>> I stayed about 10 15 minutes.
1:50:15>> Who did you talk to?
1:50:16>> Just and Josh.
1:50:19>> Talk to Josh.
1:50:20>> Who else besides Josh?
1:50:22>> I think you want to know.
1:50:26>> Uh yes, sir.
1:50:30>> Need Josh the guy. Anyone else?
1:50:34>> Uh Jacob was running around. What was he
1:50:36running around?
1:50:38>> He was running around.
1:50:40>> Was running around chicken.
1:50:42>> So little apartment. How you running
1:50:43around?
1:50:43>> Chicken with his head cut off.
1:50:45>> Okay. Panic.
1:50:47>> Basically don't know what to do. I don't
1:50:48know. Like I said
1:50:51like trying to move around like you know
1:50:54so small.
1:50:55>> Huh?
1:50:56>> Was he hot? I
1:50:57>> believe so.
1:50:59>> What? What does he do?
1:51:02Uh, exclusive weed.
1:51:06Uh, I think he I think I don't know if
1:51:08he messes around work or not.
1:51:10>> Yeah.
1:51:11>> I don't know if he does,
1:51:14>> but
1:51:15>> So, you going there talking to those two
1:51:17dudes are there?
1:51:18>> Yeah.
1:51:18>> Anybody else?
1:51:22>> Uh, I think uh Pops was there.
1:51:26>> Who?
1:51:27>> I want to say I seen her dad, but I
1:51:29don't know if
1:51:30>> you know her dad's name. No, I don't
1:51:32believe.
1:51:33>> So, he may be there.
1:51:35>> Yeah.
1:51:37>> What's everyone doing besides Jacob?
1:51:39>> Girl was another girl.
1:51:45>> I give her mid mid mid age.
1:51:50>> Tall, short,
1:51:52>> mid height. I say mid height. Mid height
1:51:54for a girl.
1:51:56>> Heavy or skinny?
1:51:59sk like real skinny or
1:52:01>> um I won't say real skinny. She's
1:52:04petite.
1:52:04>> She's not like bones.
1:52:05>> Yeah,
1:52:06>> but she's just petite girl.
1:52:08>> Mhm.
1:52:09>> Any tattoos or anything?
1:52:10>> Not really paying attention.
1:52:12>> You didn't get her name. Nothing. Who
1:52:14Who did she know?
1:52:16>> Pretty sure she knew me.
1:52:18>> Okay.
1:52:18>> She was talking to anyone.
1:52:21>> It seemed like I walked into a situation
1:52:23that like
1:52:25shouldn't have done that.
1:52:26>> So uncomfort.
1:52:27>> Yeah. Yeah. Obviously cuz
1:52:28[clears throat] the gas right there,
1:52:29right?
1:52:29>> Mhm.
1:52:30>> Okay. So, you're there 10 15 minutes,
1:52:32you burn out,
1:52:33>> not thinking anything about it.
1:52:35>> Not thinking too much about it. Yeah.
1:52:37>> Okay. Then what?
1:52:39>> We could go back to um my brother house
1:52:41for me to obs.
1:52:50>> Mhm. Just some errands if you will.
1:52:53>> Yeah. And then
1:52:54>> just some friends.
1:52:56>> Later on that day, um I had went back
1:53:00over there to like make sure everything
1:53:02was cool. Like I said, I didn't think
1:53:04too much of it.
1:53:05>> Mhm.
1:53:07>> Also, yeah. Leaving there.
1:53:11>> It'll be
1:53:11>> It'll be pun.
1:53:12>> Yeah.
1:53:14We're over that by that way.
1:53:15>> Mhm.
1:53:16>> Stop. Stop.
1:53:18>> Yeah. So we go in and the dude uh like I
1:53:22said the first thing basically you see
1:53:23him is a guy
1:53:25>> cuz he was talking trash. Now what's he
1:53:27doing?
1:53:28>> He's laying down chilling.
1:53:29>> Mhm.
1:53:31>> Just when he's like more delirious
1:53:36like just off.
1:53:38>> I don't know.
1:53:39>> Straight off.
1:53:41>> He's moving but he's not
1:53:45>> saying words.
1:53:47He he Yeah. He wasn't saying complete
1:53:49words like
1:53:51>> just gibberish.
1:53:52>> Yeah. So now I'm worried kind of like,
1:53:54okay, so what the is really going?
1:53:56>> It's not doing as good.
1:53:57>> Yeah.
1:53:58>> Mhm.
1:53:58>> And it's still blood everywhere than it
1:54:02was earlier now. I want to kind of know
1:54:04what's up
1:54:06again. Like are y'all going to just
1:54:09leave him here?
1:54:10>> Yeah.
1:54:12So
1:54:14from here they they basically left me.
1:54:17>> Mhm.
1:54:18>> Cuz I had came back the third time. But
1:54:19when I had went in
1:54:21>> How long were you there the second?
1:54:22>> Jacob and Josh were there simple time.
1:54:25>> They are they took off. Who was there
1:54:27then?
1:54:28>> LB had wait till the United Street.
1:54:31>> Okay. So he left you for a bit longer.
1:54:33>> Yeah. This time.
1:54:34>> Okay. So you were there. That guy's
1:54:36there. Who else?
1:54:38>> The dad's gone. Dad's gone home.
1:54:41>> Is Neva still there?
1:54:42>> Ne was there? Yeah.
1:54:44>> Is that girl still there?
1:54:46>> I didn't see. She could have been there,
1:54:47but I didn't see her. Going to the
1:54:49>> real.
1:54:51>> So, since the dudes are gone, did you
1:54:53talk to Nea about what happened?
1:54:54>> I'm I'm basically asking her like
1:54:56>> why is the dude still here?
1:54:58>> That and where the is
1:55:01>> the gas?
1:55:02>> Yeah. Like it can't that's not cool.
1:55:04That's not what's up.
1:55:06>> By that point, did you know what had
1:55:07happened?
1:55:09>> Yeah. at that point. Um,
1:55:10>> the first time you found out what
1:55:11happened
1:55:13>> that at that time right there, I know
1:55:15that he if he's he's looking worse,
1:55:17they're beating this dude. They was
1:55:18beating his ass up.
1:55:20>> They had to and Jacob a got into his
1:55:24feelings. That's my point of view. And
1:55:26shot the guy
1:55:27>> after he felt like he had the obligation
1:55:31to after he found out the certain
1:55:33situation and he had disrespect him.
1:55:34Mhm.
1:55:35>> He said earlier that day they were all
1:55:37together and Jacob had came back and he
1:55:40was pissed. He was just
1:55:43rancing around the house like I said the
1:55:45first time.
1:55:46>> He's just in a bad mood like pissed off
1:55:48or what?
1:55:48>> Like he got on his nerves?
1:55:50>> Yeah.
1:55:51>> Yeah.
1:55:53>> Did you see Did you see a gun the first
1:55:55time or anything? Any any sort of a
1:55:56weapon or anything? Uh
1:55:58>> the first time I came?
1:56:00>> Yeah. No.
1:56:02>> You saw the dude bloodied up? Yeah.
1:56:04Okay. Second time. Did she tell Didn't
1:56:06he even tell you the first time what
1:56:08happened or you just figured out?
1:56:10>> She always she she'll like go. She'll be
1:56:12like this guy. Yeah.
1:56:14>> She She'll let me know what's up lowkey.
1:56:16But it's not like
1:56:17>> you don't want to set Jacob off then.
1:56:19>> Yeah. Exactly. She like
1:56:23these nerves and almost got into it or
1:56:26whatever. I was like, "Okay, cool.
1:56:29Is are you all right?"
1:56:31She like, "Yeah, I'm good." The second
1:56:33time it's like
1:56:37I didn't want to be there after she
1:56:40after I realize that they're still on
1:56:44top of just shooting the guy.
1:56:46>> Mhm.
1:56:47>> Still doing this to him.
1:56:50>> Still doing what to
1:56:51>> They're They're beating his ass. I
1:56:53believe they
1:56:56>> Well, they doing he's he's looking
1:56:59worse. You know what I'm saying? But
1:57:00he's still he's still
1:57:02>> looking worse as he's got new injuries.
1:57:04>> Yeah,
1:57:05>> that's what I'm saying. Two and two
1:57:07together.
1:57:07>> I know you said it was I want to say
1:57:09dramat traumatic or anything, but it
1:57:12it's affected you seen him. Yeah,
1:57:14>> that makes sense.
1:57:14>> Yeah.
1:57:15>> Did you ever see him get hit?
1:57:18>> No, I did not.
1:57:20>> I seen him get hit.
1:57:22>> Did you see him get moved around by him?
1:57:26>> Move around.
1:57:27>> Moved around like moving it moving his
1:57:29head. Yeah, he was he he he he
1:57:32was like all over the place.
1:57:34>> Which one?
1:57:35>> Jacob or the guy?
1:57:36>> The guy.
1:57:37>> He was all over the place. That's what
1:57:38I'm saying. Like
1:57:40>> I know it's bad. He's not making no
1:57:42complete sentences. He's not really
1:57:43talking to anybody. He's talking to
1:57:45third person.
1:57:46>> Mhm.
1:57:47>> But he's everywhere around the house.
1:57:49>> The second
1:57:50>> he's moving and he's everywhere around
1:57:52the house.
1:57:53>> Like blood everywhere. Like I really
1:57:55don't want you here anyway. Cuz you
1:57:57really just can't cuz then if she was
1:57:59just left
1:58:01>> come back to her.
1:58:02>> Exactly. So
1:58:03>> your house your problems, right?
1:58:07>> I wouldn't br my house. I just think she
1:58:09has family.
1:58:10>> Yeah. She got kids.
1:58:11>> But when I the impression I got that
1:58:14since y'all still beating his ass, the
1:58:16guys then why are y'all gone and
1:58:20[clears throat]
1:58:20>> why y'all coming back?
1:58:21>> You just left her with the check.
1:58:23>> Exactly.
1:58:25So I had to leave cuz my brother came
1:58:26back honking the horn. We left
1:58:33worried for a minute, you know. Still
1:58:35trying to make sure she's okay.
1:58:37>> Mhm.
1:58:37>> They had got there late late. Probably
1:58:40I'll say not that late. My guest going
1:58:44to p me on. It probably be 11:30 12. I
1:58:47don't know.
1:58:49I walked in. I came back over there to
1:58:51check on him again because hopefully
1:58:52that y'all did something.
1:58:55>> He's not there.
1:58:55>> You know what I'm saying? Exactly.
1:58:58>> Been doing nothing.
1:58:59>> But you're you're worried about this?
1:59:01>> Yeah. It's on my mind.
1:59:02>> Yeah. I mean, you got your friend at our
1:59:05house and
1:59:05>> Yeah. This was
1:59:07>> You're stressed out that this dude's
1:59:08here getting worse. What are we going to
1:59:10do with him? What What's the deal?
1:59:13>> We don't need this guy to get worse than
1:59:14he already is. Mhm. So when I had came
1:59:17the next time, it was a whole group, new
1:59:20group of people.
1:59:22>> Who was there now?
1:59:23>> Cuz there was less people the first
1:59:24time, right? The second time
1:59:27>> you got more people.
1:59:28>> Yeah.
1:59:29>> Who was there now?
1:59:31>> It was people didn't know. It was the
1:59:33white guy specifically that you're
1:59:35talking about. You didn't know?
1:59:36>> Yeah. Okay.
1:59:37>> Uh the the freaking
1:59:41I think it's Nea's friend. Same girl.
1:59:45>> Same girl from earlier. No.
1:59:47>> Yeah. This is a different girl.
1:59:48>> Yeah.
1:59:51>> And um I don't know her. We have no
1:59:53reason to talk.
1:59:54>> She look the same or different than the
1:59:56big girl?
1:59:57>> They look different. Two different
1:59:58females.
1:59:59>> No, like sizewise.
2:00:00>> Oh, about the same.
2:00:02>> About the same.
2:00:04>> And Okay. So, I want to talk to Nemo.
2:00:07He's talking to her. I guess everybody's
2:00:09having their own little conversation,
2:00:11but this guy is still here. So, me, but
2:00:15what are you really going to do?
2:00:16>> Mhm.
2:00:19>> Cuz you're going to end up being some
2:00:22big
2:00:23>> Mhm.
2:00:24>> you know.
2:00:24>> Yeah. You need to discuss some purpose.
2:00:27>> Yeah. And
2:00:33we still outside. So homeboy just walks
2:00:37up to me like owes me or something and
2:00:40it's automatically turned off.
2:00:43Can you find me some work? Like okay
2:00:46hold on finish all I need. See what's
2:00:48up.
2:00:50>> So I go to the back. I don't know what
2:00:52they got going on in the front.
2:00:55But I'm ready to shake. I'm going come
2:00:57right back cuz they'll be wait.
2:01:01>> Yeah. So I [snorts] I go out and they're
2:01:04still in the living room. I tell her I'm
2:01:06going to come back. I go outside with me
2:01:08and I just chill out there. I don't go
2:01:10nowhere.
2:01:11>> Elb still there?
2:01:11>> Yeah.
2:01:13>> No, Elmo.
2:01:20>> He uh he came back outside and he was
2:01:23like, "Well, can you do that for me?" I
2:01:24was like, "Hold on. Just call somebody."
2:01:26>> Mhm.
2:01:27>> Never asked him how much he had or
2:01:28nothing like that.
2:01:31I wasn't going to do it cuz I don't
2:01:32know. Yeah, he he looks like he didn't
2:01:35affiliate with, you know,
2:01:38>> affiliate with the other girls. So,
2:01:41>> with the other girl that was there or
2:01:43other girls
2:01:45>> all was from
2:01:47>> that was there the third time there.
2:01:48>> Okay.
2:01:51>> Everybody else in the house I left alone
2:01:55probably was still there. It's still
2:01:57blood everywhere. I don't want to be in
2:01:59there. Like by this time I pulled up
2:02:04he should be in hospital.
2:02:06>> Man should have made that that decision
2:02:07right then and there when
2:02:11>> comes back out.
2:02:12>> Jacob they didn't when they left and
2:02:15didn't come back.
2:02:16>> Mhm.
2:02:18>> But so you call looking for work.
2:02:21[snorts]
2:02:22>> Mhm. didn't work
2:02:25and [cough and clears throat] uh LB my
2:02:27bro uh said he could find someone.
2:02:30>> Mhm.
2:02:30>> So we supposed to uh link back up but LB
2:02:33he's already sketched. He don't know the
2:02:35guy so
2:02:36>> he don't want to mess up.
2:02:37>> Yeah. It was no deal.
2:02:39>> Mhm.
2:02:41>> What happens with that?
2:02:45>> We do. We leave.
2:02:47>> You love me? Yeah.
2:02:50And
2:02:52Everybody started uh as we're leaving.
2:02:57Everybody's I don't see Geneva, but I
2:02:59see uh the girl him and some more people
2:03:02in the garage.
2:03:04>> Mhm.
2:03:04>> They're just chilling. Well, I don't
2:03:06know what they're doing. They're just
2:03:08chilling. We have We bounced out.
2:03:14Did whatever plays he had to do.
2:03:17>> Mhm.
2:03:20Wasn't really not much more after that.
2:03:22>> What happened?
2:03:23>> Nothing after that.
2:03:25>> After a while, um, it was good.
2:03:28>> Got back to LPS.
2:03:29>> Yeah.
2:03:29>> What did you do the rest of the night?
2:03:31>> We had got back out one more time
2:03:33probably like
2:03:355.
2:03:38Um,
2:03:41we was just driving around. We made this
2:03:42place once a week. And um
2:03:47I think neighbor had called me. I went
2:03:49through there
2:03:52um
2:03:52>> over Facebook.
2:03:56>> Yeah.
2:03:59>> Yeah. It was a lot of
2:04:04cars and [ __ ]
2:04:06>> You went back over there?
2:04:07>> Yeah.
2:04:08>> That's the day after. It was two days
2:04:11ago, right?
2:04:12>> You went back there Sunday.
2:04:14Time you get over something.
2:04:16>> I don't know.
2:04:16>> In the morning.
2:04:18>> Early.
2:04:19>> Early early. Like
2:04:20>> like no generator. There was no power.
2:04:23>> Like 3:00 in the morning. Early.
2:04:25>> Yeah. Early.
2:04:27>> Anybody else there?
2:04:29>> Um just this missing dude. Swear to God
2:04:32never seen in my life.
2:04:36It's always like that though. But it was
2:04:38just it was just me. Well, not me. It
2:04:41was just her, you know.
2:04:44And I think somebody else. I don't know.
2:04:48But I seen I had to go. I didn't want
2:04:50to.
2:04:52That's like
2:04:53>> seen.
2:04:54>> Yeah.
2:04:55>> When you see when you saw what?
2:04:58>> Oh, like
2:05:00they concrete.
2:05:03>> What used to be?
2:05:05>> Carpet.
2:05:08Why you think it's missing?
2:05:11Uh
2:05:13people trying to uh [ __ ] I guess they
2:05:16wanted to
2:05:19clear the evidence. That's the only
2:05:21reason on there.
2:05:23>> What was evidence on it?
2:05:25>> There was [snorts] blood all over the
2:05:26carpet.
2:05:26>> All that blood,
2:05:26>> I think. Yeah. Yeah.
2:05:28>> So when you saw that, what did you do?
2:05:31>> Ask what the hell happened?
2:05:32>> What did they say?
2:05:34>> What does it look like? That's what they
2:05:37said to me.
2:05:40I really didn't want this.
2:05:42>> What happened after that?
2:05:43>> I'm gone
2:05:45>> with
2:05:45>> Give me a secret.
2:05:47>> Where'd you go?
2:05:49>> With Where did you go?
2:05:52>> Back to where I came from.
2:05:53>> Back to LVs.
2:05:55>> Yeah.
2:05:56So, we talked to LBs. I say the same
2:05:58thing that you're telling us.
2:06:01So, why why are two different people
2:06:03that don't really know each other
2:06:05telling us a different story than what
2:06:06you're telling us? What you're telling
2:06:08us links up with a lot of what they told
2:06:10us.
2:06:10>> That's what I'm saying.
2:06:11>> But it doesn't match completely. Does
2:06:12that make sense? Like your times even.
2:06:15>> Like what?
2:06:16>> Like the times that you tell me.
2:06:17>> That's what I'm saying.
2:06:18>> Match up.
2:06:19>> Match up.
2:06:20>> But the actions don't.
2:06:23>> Okay.
2:06:23>> Why are they telling us that
2:06:27you were taking more of an active role,
2:06:30but you're like hands off?
2:06:32>> Hands off.
2:06:33>> Yeah. You don't do anything.
2:06:35>> That's what they're saying. what you're
2:06:36saying.
2:06:37>> Oh, I made it clear. That's what I'm
2:06:40saying.
2:06:41>> But if you're so worried about it and
2:06:42it's bothering you so much, you come
2:06:44back two different times, you ain't
2:06:46going to do nothing.
2:06:49>> That don't make any sense. Me,
2:06:50>> what do you mean?
2:06:51>> So, the first time then you start
2:06:53thinking about it, right? That's why you
2:06:54come back the second time, then he's
2:06:55deteriorating, right? He's not feeling
2:06:58as good.
2:06:58>> Yeah, but that's what I'm thinking
2:06:59about.
2:07:00>> You come back the third time and it's
2:07:02such a big deal.
2:07:03>> Mhm.
2:07:03>> That you don't even want to be there.
2:07:05and you come back again for you know why
2:07:08>> you know what I mean
2:07:09>> third time right here is is people there
2:07:11that in this type of situation why is it
2:07:14brand new faces around too many people
2:07:17around when this type of situation is
2:07:19going on
2:07:21now
2:07:24I have to tell now now I have to tell
2:07:25Nea something like what the
2:07:29I know this ain't your fault but we
2:07:31can't have this going on
2:07:32>> but you're wrapped up all in this man
2:07:34>> exactly Mhm.
2:07:35>> It's not It's not that they're just
2:07:37making stuff up.
2:07:38>> The only wrong
2:07:40>> The only wrong impression I got is
2:07:45>> Ma thought I was leaving with a white
2:07:47guy when we all had left.
2:07:50She never stayed at the door. She's in
2:07:53the house making doing her thing.
2:07:55There's too much going on. That's all
2:07:56I'm saying.
2:07:57>> What was she doing?
2:07:59>> Cleaning.
2:08:00>> Cleaning what?
2:08:02>> The house. Sweeping.
2:08:04uh wiping off counters,
2:08:09smoking.
2:08:11So she doing that. We're all leaving at
2:08:14the same time. I don't know why she's
2:08:16thinking I'm going to leave with this
2:08:17guy when she knows I don't know him. You
2:08:19know,
2:08:20>> you know why?
2:08:22>> Why?
2:08:23>> Cuz you going to be
2:08:25>> Yeah. That's what she probably was
2:08:27thinking
2:08:32cuz the conversation was all out there.
2:08:34He's a very outspoken guy.
2:08:37>> He's loud. Can you give me some work?
2:08:38Okay. Maybe over.
2:08:40>> Yeah.
2:08:41>> Yeah.
2:08:41>> Yes. Get some work.
2:08:43>> Yeah.
2:08:44>> And then he hit me up again with
2:08:45himself.
2:08:52>> Cuz why would that guy come in and just
2:08:53do that for them? Get rid of the dude.
2:08:57That's what I'm saying.
2:08:59>> You ever met him? You know the house?
2:09:02>> Anyone act like he knew they knew him?
2:09:04>> The uh uh Yeah.
2:09:06>> Anyone else?
2:09:07>> No.
2:09:08>> So why would you do that?
2:09:10>> Why would I do what
2:09:10>> now? Why would he do that?
2:09:12>> I don't know.
2:09:14>> You know what I mean?
2:09:14>> Yeah. I never thought about it that far
2:09:17cuz
2:09:17>> So you like to think of it that
2:09:20>> you roll up to another house and you see
2:09:21a dude that's beat up.
2:09:23Are you going to take his body and go
2:09:24throw it?
2:09:24>> Hell no.
2:09:26>> Alive or dead?
2:09:27>> He doesn't make any sense. So why is he
2:09:30doing it?
2:09:31>> Mhm.
2:09:32>> What if he was so feeding?
2:09:36>> He work around doing that for you so
2:09:39he'll get to work.
2:09:42>> For real.
2:09:43>> Me.
2:09:45>> And you want it done because you don't
2:09:47want a girl stuck.
2:09:49>> That sounds good, too.
2:09:53Makes sense.
2:09:55>> That sounds good.
2:09:57>> Is that accurate?
2:10:00>> Only if I knew the man. Maybe that would
2:10:02have been a story.
2:10:04>> Well, you get something out of it. He
2:10:05get something out of it, right?
2:10:06>> Mhm.
2:10:07>> You get
2:10:07>> I don't get nothing out of it, but maybe
2:10:09I try.
2:10:10>> Not you individually, but you get
2:10:11something out of it by helping out.
2:10:14>> Mhm.
2:10:14>> Nea, right?
2:10:17>> Yeah, I can see that.
2:10:20Is that out of the realm of
2:10:21possibilities?
2:10:22>> Huh?
2:10:23>> Is that out of the realm of
2:10:24possibilities?
2:10:25>> No, I'm just saying that that's a good
2:10:26theory.
2:10:30>> Is that accurate?
2:10:34>> They're probably accurate on she he did
2:10:37it for her.
2:10:38>> She found it.
2:10:40>> No, cuz he would
2:10:42>> he's Why would she do it for Neva if
2:10:43Neva don't even know this man?
2:10:45>> So who you do it for? Me? Cuz I can get
2:10:47some work.
2:10:49You and I both know when people start
2:10:51feing for that stuff, what happens?
2:10:53>> They do the damnest things, don't they?
2:10:56>> Yeah. But it's it's a whole different
2:10:58level.
2:11:01>> People rob for that,
2:11:04>> right? Yeah.
2:11:05>> People break into stuff. People do the
2:11:07dumbest stuff so they can get they're
2:11:10they're high. Right.
2:11:12>> You've seen it. I know you had. If you
2:11:14hang anytime around the villa, you've
2:11:16hung around her house. You have seen
2:11:18that.
2:11:20>> Yeah. Yeah.
2:11:21>> That makes sense.
2:11:24>> So, if I know that you can get me work
2:11:27because you've done it before for people
2:11:29or you're known for that,
2:11:31>> let's say.
2:11:35>> Yeah. Sounds like a good story.
2:11:40>> Pretty possible, huh?
2:11:41>> They seem like that kind of guy.
2:11:43>> What?
2:11:44>> Well, we seen him.
2:11:46>> Who? The guy. Yeah.
2:11:50>> Oh, maybe.
2:11:51>> Yeah.
2:11:57>> Do you want to know why that story seems
2:11:59so plausible,
2:12:01so accurate?
2:12:03>> No, I won't say so accurate, but so
2:12:05plate.
2:12:07>> That's a story that they gave.
2:12:09>> Yeah.
2:12:11But how
2:12:12>> So
2:12:14what is this? Most people when they come
2:12:15in here give stories that I can poke
2:12:17holes in all day.
2:12:19>> Does that make sense?
2:12:20>> Yeah.
2:12:20>> Most people suck at lying, right?
2:12:21>> Yeah. They got it.
2:12:23>> Because you start it's easier to tell
2:12:25the truth and follow the truth than it
2:12:27is for
2:12:28>> to make up lies. Then you start hitting
2:12:30roadblocks, right? Like I can disprove
2:12:32that.
2:12:32>> This doesn't make any sense. I can't I
2:12:34can't go through this pathway based on
2:12:36what you're telling me, right?
2:12:39But if everything lines up,
2:12:43seems a lot more plausible. Make sense?
2:12:48>> I know. But it can all line up into way
2:12:51you would think it line up. Okay. Saying
2:12:54like there's always going to be a little
2:12:57>> But you think people
2:12:58>> here and there,
2:12:59>> you think a a dope fiend is going to be
2:13:01able to make a good enough story for me
2:13:03to believe it?
2:13:06Yeah.
2:13:07>> No,
2:13:08>> I'm not saying someone on the street to
2:13:10believe it.
2:13:11>> You know what I do for a living?
2:13:12>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Cool.
2:13:15>> Understand that.
2:13:16>> You know what I mean? And I'm not
2:13:17talking about some like little tiny
2:13:19story.
2:13:19>> Not a little white lie, right?
2:13:21>> Yeah.
2:13:21>> I'm talking about someone getting beaten
2:13:23up and someone getting dumped.
2:13:25>> Yeah.
2:13:25>> That's a lot going on, right?
2:13:27>> Yeah. Yeah.
2:13:28>> That's not something simple like
2:13:30>> No, I didn't steal your car. Whatever
2:13:32else,
2:13:32>> I was over here doing this, right?
2:13:34>> Well, yeah. I had to answer a lot of
2:13:36questions. Let me ask you
2:13:39>> what do you think
2:13:42I could what what role do you think I
2:13:45could have played in any of this?
2:13:46>> We laid it out.
2:13:48>> H
2:13:48>> we laid it out for you.
2:13:50>> No, like let's be more specific. U maybe
2:13:54you did do this, maybe you didn't do
2:13:56that.
2:13:57>> Like hypothetical?
2:13:58>> Yeah.
2:14:00>> What kind of hypotheticals?
2:14:03Um,
2:14:04off your sense of judgment.
2:14:06>> Do what?
2:14:07>> Off your sense of judgment off the off
2:14:10of what
2:14:10>> what you're capable of.
2:14:12>> No, you're not capable of of what
2:14:15>> what
2:14:15>> actually what do you think actually
2:14:18on my behalf on what everybody's saying?
2:14:20>> I think that you care about and this a
2:14:23lot of this comes from your mouth
2:14:24>> that you care about Geneva. She's not
2:14:26your best friend or anything, but you
2:14:28care about her. She's probably done
2:14:29something for you in the past
2:14:30>> about that.
2:14:31>> You know what I mean? taking care of you
2:14:33some way or some other
2:14:35>> and that you don't want her getting
2:14:37stuck with him at the house and
2:14:40something bad happened and dying or
2:14:42whatever else.
2:14:44>> So you want to help her out without
2:14:47doing too much. Does that make sense?
2:14:49>> I think so.
2:14:50>> And then you see this guy
2:14:53>> I did
2:14:53>> who came over that you don't care about,
2:14:55right? You don't care about this dude
2:14:56that wants
2:14:56>> that guy.
2:14:57>> Yeah. You could he get lost and you
2:15:00wouldn't care, right? But the thing
2:15:01about it is LB.
2:15:02>> But if you can get him to do something
2:15:04for you, for her,
2:15:07>> why couldn't uh LB do that for me
2:15:09earlier?
2:15:11>> What? Get you to do
2:15:13>> uh
2:15:13>> get you the work?
2:15:14>> No.
2:15:16If uh that was in my mindset to get rid
2:15:17of the body, why couldn't LB help me out
2:15:20all the time? Let him pull up.
2:15:22>> Because I don't think that you want to
2:15:23get super involved.
2:15:28>> That's kind of weird. I never would have
2:15:30thought about it like that.
2:15:31>> You want LB's your boy, right?
2:15:34>> Yeah.
2:15:34>> You want to be like, "LB, come grab this
2:15:35dude with me, bro."
2:15:37>> Whenever you and I both know that based
2:15:39on what you're saying, LB ain't going to
2:15:40go in that house.
2:15:42[snorts]
2:15:42>> Yeah. He want the house. You had before.
2:15:46He don't know. Hey, there's too many
2:15:48people. That's why.
2:15:49>> But you got to go. You and I both know
2:15:51that people lie on the streets. But you
2:15:53got to go with him to make sure because
2:15:56he doesn't want to do that. And then you
2:15:58you you disappear and don't help him
2:16:00out, right?
2:16:00>> Okay. Well, I think
2:16:01>> cuz it's you scratch he scratches your
2:16:03back, you scratch his back, right? Does
2:16:04that make sense?
2:16:05>> Yeah.
2:16:05>> It's a good analogy.
2:16:07>> Yeah.
2:16:07>> So,
2:16:09he goes to that, you roll with him, then
2:16:12you guys go and get the work.
2:16:14>> You roll back
2:16:16>> and you think it's your hands are washed
2:16:18over.
2:16:20>> No one's the wiser.
2:16:23>> Does that make sense?
2:16:24>> If that was my bro, he would have
2:16:26probably
2:16:27Who's your bro?
2:16:28>> It'll be
2:16:30>> He would have probably done that off the
2:16:31muscle.
2:16:33>> Like, yeah, bro. I got you.
2:16:34>> But why involve him when you can get it
2:16:36easier without you doing?
2:16:39>> Does that make sense?
2:16:40>> Exactly.
2:16:41>> Why Why involve somebody that you care
2:16:43about? Your brother, right?
2:16:44>> Okay. Drop
2:16:44>> in something that he don't need to be
2:16:46involved with.
2:16:47>> So, you tell him, "Hey, burn off. I'll
2:16:48come get you later."
2:16:51>> Huh? So you tell you tell LB, hey,
2:16:54>> go go go back to United or wherever. You
2:16:56know what I mean? I'll get you up later.
2:17:01>> What you mean? Like I'll have the car.
2:17:02>> No.
2:17:03>> No. That's what I'm saying.
2:17:04>> He burns off because this dude's got a
2:17:05truck, right?
2:17:07>> Pretty easy to put a dude in a truck.
2:17:15That's the only kind of
2:17:21place y'all put me. Basically, y'all
2:17:23saying I didn't touch the man at all. I
2:17:26ain't beat I I didn't shoot. I
2:17:29>> I'm not worried about you beating it.
2:17:33>> Y'all think
2:17:33>> you don't seem like a violent person.
2:17:39M
2:17:45>> cuz from my understand this dude's
2:17:46alive.
2:17:51>> Obviously he's deteriorating and you
2:17:52think he needs to get help. You don't
2:17:54want her getting stuck with you.
2:17:57That's why I would come back the fourth
2:17:59time
2:18:00>> cuz something's got to happen to him
2:18:02before something happens. Does that make
2:18:04sense? But the fourth time I came,
2:18:07where was he at?
2:18:09>> He's gone by that point, right?
2:18:12>> A lot is gone.
2:18:14>> But you're not worried about that.
2:18:16>> Mhm.
2:18:18>> Because that can all be done.
2:18:19>> But that that's even a stupid play even.
2:18:21I mean,
2:18:23uh, guidance.
2:18:26>> Why would you try to even cover up some
2:18:28[ __ ] like that?
2:18:32Okay. You say somebody comes in your
2:18:34house, you got a carpet gum.
2:18:37>> Obvious.
2:18:38>> Just because something's missing doesn't
2:18:39mean you can prove what was there
2:18:40before.
2:18:42>> Exactly.
2:18:42>> Does that make sense?
2:18:44>> What's better? Me walking in and seeing
2:18:46blood all over the place or me walking
2:18:47in seeing no carpet?
2:18:49>> You know what I mean?
2:18:50>> Yeah.
2:18:51>> Which one would if you walk in, you be
2:18:52like, "Well, something bad happened
2:18:53here." Or would you come and be like,
2:18:55"You putting in new carpet?" It's just a
2:18:58slight difference being in your position
2:19:01>> or someone's physical
2:19:02>> versus what I see versus what another
2:19:04person sees, right?
2:19:07>> Cuz you can go get new carpet for
2:19:10throw that down
2:19:13>> all about it, right?
2:19:16>> Yeah,
2:19:17>> that can be done. But you can't walk in
2:19:19and see a guy that died there.
2:19:21>> You know what I mean? That's a little
2:19:23more obvious.
2:19:23>> Yeah.
2:19:24>> And blood's obvious, right? So you get
2:19:25rid of the obvious stuff.
2:19:27>> And hopefully this guy gets help before
2:19:31he ends up dying, right?
2:19:32>> Yeah.
2:19:34>> So he gets dropped off in a place where
2:19:36maybe he'll be found before something
2:19:38happens if he keeps deteriorating,
2:19:40>> but it's not a place where it's like you
2:19:42don't want to drop him at the front of
2:19:43the police department, right? Cuz that
2:19:44probably has cameras and the cops are
2:19:46there, right?
2:19:47>> You don't want to drop people off at the
2:19:48at the hospital because there's probably
2:19:50cameras there and it's it may be hard to
2:19:53get out of. Makes sense.
2:19:56>> But what's where people go? You may be
2:19:59found get up.
2:20:04>> Makes sense.
2:20:05>> Mhm.
2:20:11>> Makes sense.
2:20:19That's what it does do.
2:20:22Then why makes sense?
2:20:25>> Because that would be the most logical
2:20:27conclusion, right?
2:20:30>> Or you can just go all common sense and
2:20:32think that.
2:20:33>> Mhm.
2:20:34>> You're correct.
2:20:40And that's the story we got from two
2:20:41different people that don't really know
2:20:43each other
2:20:44cuz that's what happened.
2:20:47>> No, but they have to run things by
2:20:49themselves. They have to they have to
2:20:51run things by each other.
2:20:52>> Why would a guy do that?
2:20:55>> Unless you get something out of it.
2:20:58>> You're not going to do something for
2:20:59somebody if you ain't getting jacked out
2:21:01of it, right? That's not how it works on
2:21:02the streets. I don't just do you favors
2:21:03to do you favors.
2:21:04>> Exactly.
2:21:05>> Some people do, but how rare is that?
2:21:07How rare is Neva?
2:21:08>> All right, listen to this part.
2:21:09[clears throat] Neba wasn't the one that
2:21:10called him, right? It was the other
2:21:12girl, her friend.
2:21:14>> Mhm.
2:21:14>> But her friend doesn't know me.
2:21:16>> Mhm.
2:21:16>> So her friend gets on the phone with
2:21:18him.
2:21:19Okay. But say she asked him for a ride.
2:21:24>> Mhm.
2:21:25>> Can I need a ride? Um,
2:21:28this guy over here that I don't know
2:21:31maybe can get you some dope
2:21:34cuz that's what you're looking for,
2:21:35right?
2:21:36You know,
2:21:37>> are you known for that though?
2:21:38>> No, I'm just saying like
2:21:39>> No. Are you known to be able to to give
2:21:41you a word?
2:21:42>> Mm-m. [clears throat]
2:21:44>> Connection. Let's say you're just making
2:21:45connections, right? You know this guy,
2:21:46you know this guy. I'm just The point
2:21:48I'm trying
2:21:48>> You're bringing those people together.
2:21:49You're a facilitator.
2:21:50>> Mhm. [clears throat]
2:21:51Yeah. Exactly. But the point I'm trying
2:21:54to get at is to where why would she make
2:21:55this uh
2:21:58a move like that off the top of her head
2:22:00putting me in the mix.
2:22:04>> Maybe he just saw you
2:22:05>> keep trying to get the
2:22:06>> Maybe he's just trying to get something
2:22:07from old girl and he sees you and be
2:22:09like, "Hey, I know that fool." Not
2:22:11because he really really knows you,
2:22:12>> but he knows of you cuz he's seen you or
2:22:15heard of you.
2:22:17Right? He was like, "Hey, I need some
2:22:20work.
2:22:21>> This man can help give us some work or
2:22:22maybe someone else facilitated that and
2:22:25said, "Hey, we get you some work if
2:22:29you help you help us out."
2:22:30>> Mhm.
2:22:33>> Yeah.
2:22:33>> Hey, that that's sounding good. But he
2:22:36comes over there not thinking about the
2:22:38work on his mind
2:22:41and she
2:22:41>> just a bonus.
2:22:42>> Yeah. Maybe the other girl wanted some
2:22:44and so he wanted to. You know what I
2:22:46mean?
2:22:47>> Yeah.
2:22:48>> If I can get me some and give me
2:22:49somewhere, that's a bonus bonus bonus,
2:22:51right?
2:22:53>> Yeah.
2:22:53>> That's not impossible right there.
2:22:57>> I can't tell you why everyone does
2:22:59everything. Everyone's got different
2:23:00motives, what they want to do, what they
2:23:02want to accomplish,
2:23:04>> stuff like that, right? Some people are
2:23:05all about money, some people are about
2:23:07loyalty, some people are about helping
2:23:09people. Mhm.
2:23:11>> Tell me about a little bit of
2:23:12everything.
2:23:14But everyone's got reasons why they do
2:23:15stuff, right?
2:23:16>> Mhm.
2:23:18>> Is every reason wrong?
2:23:19>> No.
2:23:25>> Cuz deep down you do things. I mean,
2:23:28just like you knew we were outside
2:23:29today, right?
2:23:32>> Matter of fact, how long were we all out
2:23:34there?
2:23:35>> 3 hours.
2:23:37>> Yeah. SWAT wasn't out there for three
2:23:39hours, but when they start calling you
2:23:41over there, it was probably about an
2:23:42hour and a half.
2:23:43>> I swear.
2:23:44>> Why didn't you come out the first time?
2:23:45You know what I mean?
2:23:46>> No, I know. I swear.
2:23:46>> Cuz you're making decisions in your head
2:23:48of what's going to benefit me the best.
2:23:50>> I swear the first 45 minutes.
2:23:53>> I Okay, even if it's 15 minutes, why
2:23:54aren't you like, "Oh, the cops are here.
2:23:56They ain't leaving.
2:23:57>> Why don't you just come out?"
2:23:58>> That's what I told her. She didn't want
2:24:00me to go out.
2:24:00>> You know what I mean? We not leaving.
2:24:02>> You already know.
2:24:03>> We're not leaving.
2:24:04>> I already know. That's why I have to
2:24:05tell her. Come for her. cuz we saw you
2:24:07go in there.
2:24:09>> Yeah.
2:24:10>> We're not leaving.
2:24:13>> Cuz we know you got a warrant.
2:24:16>> That's why you got called out. Cuz we
2:24:18don't want to go in there.
2:24:18>> Yeah.
2:24:19>> Does that make sense? Cuz it makes it
2:24:21more dangerous for you, your girl, and
2:24:23especially that little kid. Cuz we don't
2:24:26want anything to happen to either of
2:24:28either of y'all. That makes sense. But
2:24:30we do things to keep us safe and you
2:24:32safe. That's why we don't go in there.
2:24:34We want you to come out cuz that's the
2:24:36best way of everything, right?
2:24:37>> Cuz no one's hurt, no damaged property,
2:24:40everyone's happy.
2:24:41>> Make sense?
2:24:42>> Yeah.
2:24:43>> That's the ideal situation is what
2:24:45happened today in that scenario.
2:24:47>> It took a little longer.
2:24:49>> But why did you come out the first time?
2:24:52>> Cuz I got to cosplay what the what the
2:24:54hell really going on,
2:24:55>> right?
2:24:56>> You know, first,
2:24:57>> but you've got to wait through that,
2:24:58right? So to answer your question, no,
2:25:00not everything is wrong. M
2:25:02>> now [clears throat] if we would have
2:25:02came in there you start shooting at us
2:25:04is that a wrong decision
2:25:08>> I [clears throat] would say so
2:25:09[laughter] because it's not going to end
2:25:10well for anybody right
2:25:16>> this is crazy
2:25:18>> there's a lot going on there's no doubt
2:25:20about that
2:25:23but we don't we want to know what you
2:25:26know so that we can take that
2:25:29>> into account and and go on with
2:25:31everyone's stories.
2:25:32>> Okay.
2:25:33>> Because everyone
2:25:35changes little things, right?
2:25:39>> What what what else is can we find out
2:25:41that I think about
2:25:44>> the truth?
2:25:47>> The truth shall set you free, right?
2:25:49>> Mhm.
2:25:51>> Cuz if you didn't have anything to do
2:25:52with her, then you don't have anything
2:25:53to do with her.
2:25:54>> But you were very wrapped up in this.
2:25:57>> I know.
2:26:00She didn't even show my face
2:26:02>> trying to ask for a friend.
2:26:04>> She didn't even show my face that many
2:26:06times throughout the day.
2:26:11>> But you can't help the heart.
2:26:12>> I know.
2:26:17Sometimes we don't make our best
2:26:18decisions
2:26:21whenever it's led by them. But you do it
2:26:23cuz you care.
2:26:25>> Makes sense.
2:26:30Hey, did you feel trapped though?
2:26:32But um when after old boy had did that
2:26:37and then basically put everybody in
2:26:38jeopardy
2:26:40>> and not caring I think
2:26:42>> there. There's no doubt what Jacob did
2:26:44put everyone else in bad position.
2:26:52[clears throat]
2:26:54I didn't want that.
2:26:57I don't care what he did unless he
2:27:00messing with some of his family members
2:27:02lives or something like that.
2:27:04>> You know, those I don't I don't wish
2:27:06that on nobody.
2:27:12I'm not that hardly.
2:27:14I don't think you are.
2:27:17I think the reason you did what you did
2:27:19was because you have a heart.
2:27:24That make sense?
2:27:27>> Cuz you're trying to fix
2:27:31it cause chaos.
2:27:36You'll be all right.
2:27:39>> Everything happens for I believe that
2:27:40completely.
2:27:42There's not a doubt in my mind.
2:27:45For the stuff that I've seen in my life
2:27:47working this job, everything happens for
2:27:48others.
2:27:51The truth will always come out.
2:27:56>> I can't make up the events that
2:27:58happened. No lucky.
2:28:02>> It's crazy when you got to go through
2:28:03some like that. We got two newborns.
2:28:06>> Yeah.
2:28:08>> No, you weren't supposed to be in that
2:28:09situation. I mean, friend,
2:28:12>> if everything does happen for a reason,
2:28:14>> it does. Maybe house need to be
2:28:18>> take back what happened. We can only
2:28:19move forward.
2:28:22[snorts]
2:28:22>> They're good.
2:28:24It's all right.
2:28:28>> But what I am really confused about
2:28:30>> Mhm.
2:28:31>> is them one.
2:28:35What the hell is that?
2:28:36>> We We don't have any information about
2:28:37what that's to be honest. All we have is
2:28:41a piece of paper. Well, it's on the
2:28:42computer, but it's a piece of paper that
2:28:43says this war with your name on it.
2:28:47>> Since August, that's what it says.
2:28:51>> Also says sex trafficking of a child.
2:28:54>> Yeah. No, I'm on that. That's I'm
2:28:57>> Yeah, I'm on for [snorts]
2:29:00>> Did you forget? Did you not show up or
2:29:02something?
2:29:04>> Is there any reason they vote for Bond?
2:29:05I guess
2:29:07>> maybe.
2:29:11I asking if that's why
2:29:13>> they may do it because of a a new
2:29:15violation or something like that. I
2:29:16don't I don't know.
2:29:18>> That's just a guess I have.
2:29:21>> I never I just had reported like 3 days
2:29:23ago, 3 4 days ago.
2:29:26>> They didn't say anything. I said
2:29:28>> insurance bail bonds.
2:29:30>> Yeah.
2:29:31>> I don't know. Maybe you're paying them.
2:29:33>> Yeah.
2:29:34>> Maybe it's since you're paying them.
2:29:35They don't want you to report. You know
2:29:36what I mean? I don't know.
2:29:37>> They're they're a money-making business,
2:29:39buddy. They're not. If you're getting
2:29:41money, then maybe they're How many times
2:29:43did you touch Gab?
2:29:46>> Touch them.
2:29:52>> It was good.
2:29:54>> Where did you touch your
2:30:06not that day? And therefore maybe when
2:30:08he was good shake his hand back
2:30:14>> after he was hurt.
2:30:19>> No.
2:30:19>> Touch his pant legs.
2:30:22>> Thanks.
2:30:26>> Like you were lifting him out of the
2:30:27truck.
2:30:33No. [clears throat]
2:30:38You said you've never been in the in the
2:30:39white guys truck.
2:30:42>> No,
2:30:43>> never been in.
2:30:46>> So your DNA any your DNA pops up in the
2:30:49truck. Do you have zero explanation? Is
2:30:51that
2:30:52>> I don't know that guy.
2:30:54>> I want to ask you I want to take a
2:30:55sample of your DNA. Are you okay with
2:30:57that?
2:30:57>> I'm just going to use this little thing.
2:30:58So all the inside of your cheek
2:31:00>> so that as we test all this stuff, we're
2:31:01going to test to as we're testing all
2:31:03the evidence that we have. I want to
2:31:05make sure that
2:31:09>> just see what you're telling us the
2:31:11accurate that makes sense
2:31:13>> because what's going to happen is if
2:31:14your DNA shows up there you said it's
2:31:16not supposed to be there
2:31:19everything you said you're like the liar
2:31:22and the people that lie people that do
2:31:24bad things die.
2:31:26>> Yeah.
2:31:28>> So are you okay with us taking a sample
2:31:31of your DNA?
2:31:34I'm not worried about it.
2:31:36>> Are you consent to us doing that? You
2:31:39okay with it?
2:31:41Do you have anything in your mouth? Any
2:31:42gum or anything like that? Go ahead and
2:31:44open your mouth wide. I'm just going to
2:31:46swab this. I'm going to use this little
2:31:47foam thing on the inside of your cheek.
2:31:50>> Okay. Go for it. It's all right. As long
2:31:53as you're you consent for us to do that.
2:31:55Are you okay with it?
2:31:56>> Yeah, that's I was going to say
2:31:58something about
2:32:00I'm not worried. Come on. We can do it.
2:32:19cuz I already told you if there's an
2:32:21explanation if there's any filled
2:32:26there's any explanation for why you
2:32:28would have been in that truck or why you
2:32:29would have been there helping him
2:32:32take Gabriel to the church house. I
2:32:34believe you would have already told us
2:32:36the only thing that we find out
2:32:39I'm going to be able to believe.
2:32:42The only thing left to believe is that
2:32:46you weren't doing it for any reason
2:32:50that you would have explain.
2:32:52>> Yeah, we're good.
2:32:55Just trying to get this out the way.
2:32:57>> Do you see how that's important?
2:33:01Look how she uses
2:33:07the what?
2:33:07>> Air Forces. Mind you,
2:33:13>> where you been staying?
2:33:15>> Okay.
2:33:15>> Where you been staying?
2:33:19>> Where you been staying there?
2:33:20>> At my house on your side gig
2:33:24>> or sometimes we have
2:33:25>> Grandpa Grandpa says he didn't stay for
2:33:28a while.
2:33:29>> Yeah, sometimes we
2:33:31>> true. Yeah. That's your other one.
2:33:44>> These shoes you had on the side.
2:33:47Yeah. How many pairs of shoes do you
2:33:49have?
2:33:50>> Really? Like
2:33:52three. But I lost two cuz a whole female
2:33:56is basically what she cut my cut your
2:33:58shoes off. Are these these ones you had
2:34:02on Saturday? Yeah, I can show you. Um,
2:34:05yeah, let me ask you this question, too.
2:34:08>> Look, they got the other two over there.
2:34:12>> Yeah,
2:34:12>> let me ask you this question, too.
2:34:15>> The dope and like 380.
2:34:20>> Let me ask you this. Um, my
2:34:21understanding is you're blood, right?
2:34:24>> Blood.
2:34:24>> Are you blood? That's what That's what
2:34:26they said. Yeah.
2:34:27>> Who?
2:34:28>> One other investigator. I guess it's
2:34:31>> Are you not? No.
2:34:33>> You ever been associated with?
2:34:34>> Yeah. Like never been Never been in a
2:34:38gang.
2:34:38>> Have you ever been in a gang? Are you in
2:34:40a gang?
2:34:41>> No.
2:34:43>> The gun that was found in the in
2:34:46Destiny's house.
2:34:47>> Is that your gun? The 380?
2:34:49>> No, it's not my gun.
2:34:51>> Did you take it to your house?
2:34:53>> Do you ever carry it?
2:34:54>> I touched it before.
2:34:56>> Whose [clears throat] gun?
2:34:59>> It came from Cory. A guy named Cory.
2:35:01Cory
2:35:02>> Everest.
2:35:04>> When did he come from the guy?
2:35:08>> From Cory to you or from Cory to Dustin?
2:35:11>> Cory to her brother to the destiny. I
2:35:13mean Cor brother to friend to me like it
2:35:17wasn't like
2:35:18>> Okay. So
2:35:18>> it came from Cory.
2:35:19>> The reason the guns the house today is
2:35:21because you took it to the house. Is
2:35:23that fair? Is that true?
2:35:26>> No.
2:35:26>> Who took it to the house?
2:35:27>> I don't know. You said it or cousin or
2:35:30brother, whatever to you.
2:35:31>> No, the person it originally came from.
2:35:34Is that what you're telling me? It's
2:35:35court.
2:35:36>> Who took it to Destiny's house?
2:35:37>> I don't I don't know.
2:35:39>> How did he get
2:35:43>> How do you know where it came from? But
2:35:44you don't know how it got there.
2:35:46>> Like
2:35:47>> cuz the thing with you, you know what I
2:35:48mean?
2:35:49>> Like
2:35:49>> it don't just tell Cory had it now.
2:35:51>> I know it was there.
2:35:53>> Mr. Lights,
2:35:53>> but I didn't bring it there.
2:35:54>> Mr. Lights.
2:35:55>> So her brother could have brought it.
2:35:57>> Mr. Lights. The thing with you is that
2:35:58you lie about everything
2:36:00>> and you're used to people believing you.
2:36:02>> Yes,
2:36:03>> you're a liar.
2:36:05>> Okay.
2:36:05>> You don't tell the truth and you're used
2:36:07to everyone believing you and maybe in
2:36:10the past that's got you out of trouble.
2:36:12Maybe maybe some gullible people, some
2:36:14weak-minded people.
2:36:15>> What does it have to do with the gays?
2:36:17>> I'm just telling you about you. You lie.
2:36:19>> You lie and believe you.
2:36:21>> So, I'm here in this room right now for
2:36:22so you can tell me about myself.
2:36:24>> Yeah.
2:36:24>> Or think tell me about myself. No, I
2:36:26know that you're a liar. You lie though.
2:36:29>> Everybody will say something like that.
2:36:31>> What's that?
2:36:32>> Yeah, I believe everybody lied before in
2:36:33their life.
2:36:34>> People do anybody thoughts judgmental
2:36:36about
2:36:37>> everybody lies, but not everybody lives
2:36:38by lines.
2:36:39>> No, I don't do that
2:36:40>> because even on a question with a gun,
2:36:42you're like asking where the gun come
2:36:43from. You're like,
2:36:44>> you're like look over here.
2:36:46>> But on top of a question, if I say I
2:36:47didn't know,
2:36:48>> you're manipulating.
2:36:49>> But I'm going try to manipulate that.
2:36:51>> It came from where that's your answer.
2:36:53>> How did it get to Destiny's house? And I
2:36:55do not know that.
2:36:56>> Yes, you do.
2:36:57>> No.
2:36:58>> How can you know where it came from?
2:37:00Should Destiny be charged with it?
2:37:01>> Me me and my uh charged with it. How?
2:37:04What's wrong with it?
2:37:05>> Should she be charged with that and the
2:37:06dope that's in her house? Are they both
2:37:08hers?
2:37:09>> Yeah. I guess so.
2:37:11>> You guess so?
2:37:12>> Yeah.
2:37:12>> So, it's hers and she should be charged
2:37:14with both
2:37:14>> because if if that's the case on
2:37:16anything, you have to have probable
2:37:17cause for all right there.
2:37:19>> That's nothing to do with me. You know
2:37:21what I'm saying? So the house
2:37:24well
2:37:24>> I'm not standing there.
2:37:25>> You sold them?
2:37:26>> No.
2:37:27>> Yeah, you've already said that you sold
2:37:28them.
2:37:29>> I never said that.
2:37:30>> You did say that. You've said it.
2:37:34>> He asked you earlier facilitated.
2:37:37>> Okay. The guy shows up the other night
2:37:40some dope.
2:37:41>> Be brokered. I can find you some dope.
2:37:45>> I said I might be able to.
2:37:48>> I might be able to. Yeah, because you
2:37:49might be able to. I might
2:37:50>> You're known to deal with you're known
2:37:52to deal with drugs is what he's trying
2:37:53to tell us.
2:37:54>> But everything everything about what you
2:37:55do is you lie about this. You give some
2:37:58misdirection, misinformation. But the
2:38:00thing is none of that helps in the end.
2:38:03>> Mhm.
2:38:03>> Because when the truth comes out, you
2:38:05look like a liar. And the only people
2:38:06that lie are people that have things to
2:38:08hide.
2:38:09>> But what was I accused of?
2:38:12>> I I didn't even accuse you. You lie
2:38:14about things you're not even accused of
2:38:16>> me be here. What am I accused of? You
2:38:18lie about things you're not even accused
2:38:19of.
2:38:21>> So what
2:38:22>> the implication is that you were at
2:38:24Geneva's house. Are you dating Geneva?
2:38:26>> No.
2:38:26>> Is that your girlfriend?
2:38:27>> No.
2:38:28>> Why? She thought you were a boyfriend.
2:38:29>> Maybe. I don't know. She do whatever she
2:38:31want. She can put a title on me.
2:38:32>> Either way. Either way.
2:38:35But
2:38:35>> I did want that.
2:38:36>> The reason we're talking
2:38:38>> The reason we want to talk to you
2:38:39though, okay,
2:38:39>> is because you are at Geneva's house the
2:38:42day that Gabriel was beat up there.
2:38:44>> Okay. But you want to say, "Oh, I was
2:38:47there, but I leave. I come back and I
2:38:49leave. I see him. I leave." But I You
2:38:51want to talk about everything
2:38:53except for what's real.
2:38:55>> Okay.
2:38:56>> That you know, you can't deny being
2:38:57there. There's too many people saw you
2:38:59there.
2:39:00>> But never did not be there.
2:39:01>> I know you didn't because you know you
2:39:02can't. I think that if you truly
2:39:04believed you you could get away with
2:39:06saying that, you would. You would lie.
2:39:08>> Why would I do that? Cuz that will be
2:39:10completely in more jeopardy. She's She's
2:39:13her own person.
2:39:15>> Exactly.
2:39:15>> She makes her own.
2:39:16>> But I'm that person that cared.
2:39:19>> If you cared,
2:39:21I think it's debatable.
2:39:22>> I think you care to the point where
2:39:24you're not willing to
2:39:27to put yourself in any kind of a
2:39:29situation that might put yourself in
2:39:31jeopardy
2:39:32>> because
2:39:33the reason why it probably sounds like
2:39:35that is
2:39:35>> because you are like that.
2:39:37>> I made it clear
2:39:39>> when I see someone when I met. No,
2:39:41>> you don't make anything like that
2:39:43>> because we've been talking.
2:39:45>> We've been talking for two and a half
2:39:47hours and you don't make anything clear.
2:39:48Nothing about you is clear. You say,
2:39:50"Look over here. I'm saying this. I'm
2:39:52saying that." Nothing is clear about
2:39:53you. You don't ever make anything clear.
2:39:56>> I'm telling you what's clear is that
2:39:58Geneva, your friend whose house you were
2:40:01at, which
2:40:03listen to your own words. I go over
2:40:05there, LB brings me, but he doesn't go
2:40:06in. I stop in for a minute. I leave. I
2:40:08come several times throughout the day. I
2:40:10come three times throughout the day.
2:40:12>> Yeah, you come three times to her house
2:40:14throughout the day while wait 24 hours.
2:40:17>> While Elie waits in the car, you slip in
2:40:19for a minute, you leave, goes, you come
2:40:21in.
2:40:22>> What does that sound like to you?
2:40:24>> Uh, so my lying about that doesn't
2:40:26>> What's that sound like to
2:40:28>> It sounds like somebody who don't want
2:40:29to be in the mix of nothing that's going
2:40:30on at that house.
2:40:31>> No, it doesn't. Someone who doesn't want
2:40:32to be in the mix of something going on
2:40:33with that house doesn't come back.
2:40:35>> You can telling around what happened.
2:40:38>> You can't tell around everything. Okay.
2:40:40>> And that doesn't work out at the end
2:40:42because your DNA
2:40:44>> is going to be on his pants where you
2:40:45touched him. Your DNA is going to be in
2:40:47his truck where you sat.
2:40:48>> Okay?
2:40:49>> The door handle, the dash,
2:40:51>> everything that you
2:40:52>> and you have no explanation. And so the
2:40:53only thing left for anyone to believe is
2:40:55that you lie about everything and what
2:40:57they're saying about you must be true
2:41:00because you won't even admit.
2:41:02>> We've already
2:41:04>> What am I being accused of? That's it.
2:41:07Right now, you're being accused of lying
2:41:08about everything. And it makes me wonder
2:41:10what else you've done because nothing's
2:41:12been offered that you should feel
2:41:14threatened by.
2:41:15>> But yet, you won't even tell the truth
2:41:16about it.
2:41:18>> And so, here you said,
2:41:19>> "Okay, so once you on your life,
2:41:22>> go for it."
2:41:23>> You said you're going to go step by and
2:41:25get me water. That took you 30 minutes
2:41:26to come back and then
2:41:28>> I already know what you're doing.
2:41:29>> I'll tell you what.
2:41:30>> Hey, I don't want to know. I can I have
2:41:32some water in my mouth as well.
2:41:33>> Let me get you some. [laughter]
2:41:36That's the only thing I want your
2:41:37>> Mhm.
2:41:38>> I'll try to get in touch with the with
2:41:40the uh FBI investigator on your case.
2:41:43>> Sorry.
2:41:43>> He said he's going to call me back.
2:41:46>> Waiting on him to call me back and he
2:41:47haven't called me back yet.
2:41:48>> Okay.
2:41:49>> That's one of the things I did. I went
2:41:51out and I got these swabs.
2:41:53Okay.
2:41:55>> To take care of that. And then I'm
2:41:57asking them about what happened when
2:41:59they went inside cuz Des let them search
2:42:00the house.
2:42:02>> They found drugs and they found guns
2:42:03which I came out and asked you about.
2:42:05and I'm waiting on a call back from the
2:42:07FBI. And I do realize and I realized it
2:42:10when I walked in that
2:42:14[clears throat]
2:42:15>> I did forget your wallet.
2:42:17>> I don't realize you did.
2:42:21>> All right.
2:42:22But
2:42:23>> but
2:42:24>> okay questions you want.
2:42:28What I hope that what I hope that we
2:42:30would accomplish by talking to each
2:42:31other is that you would come in and be
2:42:33truthful and provide me some sort of an
2:42:34explanation that makes sense about why
2:42:37you went with this guy to car that guy.

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