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0:34Okay, so episode 371 today with the
0:37great Gina Carano. Now before I, you
0:40know, I want to kind of go through the
0:41background and and
0:43you know, a few things that she's done.
0:45If you remember the work that she's
0:47done. She's been in a lot of movies.
0:48Fast and the Furious 6, Deadpool, The
0:51Mandalorian 2019, 2020. She was about to
0:54do her own series afterwards. There was
0:56a bit of a fallen out with her and
0:59Disney. I mean, you know, I want to know
1:00how dinner went last night with Kathleen
1:02Kennedy and Bob Iger. I heard you guys
1:03had dinner last night, which is great.
1:06And and before that she was a fighter,
1:09okay? And not just a regular fighter.
1:12Ronda Rousey said her inspiration to
1:14become a UFC fighter was Gina Carano.
1:16And by the way, her father was a
1:18quarterback for the Cowboys. Seven
1:19seasons apparently. I don't even know
1:21that. I'm like, that's pretty wild,
1:22right? With the right right genes are in
1:25there. And she doesn't do well with
1:27bullying. She she doesn't like it when
1:31you try to force her to do something,
1:32specifically if the company's name is
1:34called Disney. She has a hard time with
1:36that. So if you if you try to bully her,
1:38won't work out in your favor. And aside
1:40from that, you know, we we we were going
1:43to have Adam on. Adam was so worried
1:45about today's podcast that he was
1:47shivering. He told the Uber to turn
1:48around. Never left Miami. Said I'm not
1:50going to be able to do this. So
1:52it's great to have you on. Thank you for
1:54having me. Thank you.
1:55So how was dinner last night with Bob
1:56Iger and Kathy?
1:58We figured everything out and the world
1:59is set straight.
2:00Really? What you guys talking about? How
2:01was it? Um me taking over.
2:06Before people start tweeting, there was
2:08no dinner. That's a joke, by the way,
2:10for people that are maybe uh No, no. I'm
2:12taking over. Yeah, that that part that
2:14part is a different story. Yeah, so I
2:16endorse that part. So, you know, look, I
2:18mean, all of us we've been following
2:19your story uh for a while, you know, we
2:22we know you, we've seen you in movies,
2:24we've seen you
2:25fighting, we've seen you
2:27you know, going through what you went
2:28through with Disney. I think when was
2:30it? 21 when they made a decision to go a
2:33different direction. Can you kind of
2:34walk us through, you know,
2:37what happened with Disney recently, the
2:39last 3-4 years? And today I read that
2:42Musk wants to help you out on the legal
2:44side. Kind of walk us through what's
2:46been going on lately. Um do you want
2:48lately as in the version from where Musk
2:51came in? Go in from everything's going
2:54great with Disney. Fired.
2:56a sudden, fired. Yes, go from there.
2:58Who fired? Um it was going great.
3:01Um I
3:03I was never political. Um I think that
3:06uh certain people in certain times of
3:09their life find themselves finally
3:11having opinions on things. So, before
3:14I'd always thought, you know, I pay my
3:15taxes, I do what I got to do. Um I've
3:19met a couple politicians and they seemed
3:21kind of gross. And so, I was like never
3:24into political
3:26um it wasn't like I want to go find a
3:27politician husband someday, you know,
3:29like cuz that wasn't my style. So, I
3:31just kind of stayed out of it. Um and
3:33then I started noticing things around
3:362020 that were um
3:38concerning, like everybody did. I feel
3:40like I'm like the
3:42the average person who is just waking up
3:44to um
3:46what is actually happening in the world
3:48in 2020.
3:49Um
3:50And so, I started expressing certain you
3:53know, concerns about um
3:55well, first of all, like when the
3:56pandemic hit, I was like, "Oh my gosh."
3:59Like I was thinking everybody's going to
4:00turn green and boils were going to start
4:01happening and we're all just going to
4:02start uh falling, you know, dead. And
4:06then um
4:07you know, and I was really nervous for
4:09the this 3 weeks and then I started
4:11noticing, "Okay, but wait, it's okay for
4:13a protest and it's okay, you know, to be
4:15that close to a cop and screaming and
4:18spitting in their face.
4:20And we're not worried about COVID then,
4:22but we're worried about, you know,
4:23people going to churches or we're
4:24worried about these smaller businesses.
4:28Uh
4:28meanwhile, the bigger businesses are
4:30being kept open. And so it really just
4:33bothered me. And so I'd start I started
4:35vocalizing those kinds of things. Gina,
4:37at the time, are is that happening
4:39because of a guy you're with, friends
4:42you're talking to, friends in Hollywood
4:44that are behind closed doors saying,
4:46"What the F is going on? What is this
4:47all about? It's kind of weird." Is it
4:49because of a person you heard speak?
4:51What inspired you to be a little bit
4:53more vocal? Was there any individual
4:55involved in that inspiration? No, I was
4:59just I had gotten wrapped season 2 of
5:02The Mandalorian. I think it was around
5:04March 2020.
5:06And I had time on my hands.
5:07Wow, that's the peak. That's when it
5:08started, by the way. March 14th. That
5:10was the NBA day. That's right. NHL, NBA,
5:13we were in LA. We're going to do board
5:15meeting and all of a sudden, boom, board
5:17is canceled. No one's showing up and we
5:18have to fly back to Dallas. Yeah, I
5:20think we wrapped uh season 2 of The
5:22Mandalorian uh March 20th or March 4th
5:26or 5th, 2020.
5:27before, wow.
5:28And then I just started like looking up,
5:29you know, online and I started doing my
5:31own research and I started just kind of,
5:33you know,
5:35trying to develop my own opinions. Like
5:37I don't keep a lot of people around me.
5:38I have my family and my family's very um
5:41non-political. Like you know, talking
5:42about politics in my family is um
5:45not something I grew up with at all
5:47because we're in the service industry in
5:49my family and so it's about, you know,
5:51you you let anybody, you know, come to
5:53the table and just, you know, believe
5:55what they believe and Wasn't your dad
5:57like a executive at a casino? What did
5:59he do at a casino? What was his uh Yeah,
6:00we uh we're in the After football. Yeah,
6:02we're in the casino business. We I I say
6:05my family is in the casino business.
6:06Got it. Okay, so And they keep they keep
6:08their, you know, beliefs to themselves
6:10and they have never
6:12I mean, I I wouldn't even be able to
6:13tell you who is like a Democrat or
6:15Republican or independent in my family
6:17because we just don't talk about it.
6:19It's um, you know, if you're in a
6:20service industry
6:22you're having people come from all over
6:23the world. So, you know, like that's
6:25what you keep off the table.
6:27What was the And while you were in
6:29Hollywood doing movies and you're
6:31around, you know, a lot of people that
6:33you're doing all these movies, were you
6:34starting to see any signs of weird
6:36things going on or was it sudden in
6:38March of 2020 that everything got kind
6:40of weird?
6:41It was sudden. I wasn't paying
6:42attention. I
6:44you know, I was so focused on building a
6:47career and having come from professional
6:49fighting uh when I started in 2021,
6:52you're just like constantly trying to
6:54keep working, constantly trying to get
6:56that next job and, you know, being on a
6:58series of Mandalorian and actually
6:59getting the second one and, you know,
7:00having a show. That was that's like
7:03that's peak because then you can start
7:05doing stuff that you really really want
7:07to do.
7:08So, I it was very sudden for me. When
7:09you when you went vocal and and like
7:12when was the first time the world Was
7:13there a tweet? What was it that you
7:16said, "Yeah, that I know you said some
7:18things about BLM. I know you said some
7:19things about a few different things."
7:21What was the first thing you said that
7:23got the world to say, "Wait a minute.
7:25What kind of a position is she taking
7:26here?" Well, I mean, I was, you know,
7:28when I saw the George the for Floyd
7:30thing happen, you know, I did do the
7:31whole black square in my Instagram for
7:33You did do it?
7:34I did, you know, and
7:36um even at the beginning of COVID, I did
7:37say, you know, there was this really
7:39funny thing where I was like, you know,
7:41uh we need to keep the masks for the
7:43hospitals, so you can make these little
7:45masks out of your bras uh if they're
7:47padded. And Oh god.
7:50It's like, you know, I was participating
7:52and I was like, you know, I wanted, you
7:54know, from my my heart, I wanted
7:56everybody to be okay and I didn't want
7:57them to be fearful and I wanted us to
7:59all
8:00But then I started watching more of what
8:03was happening from a different
8:05perspective and my perspective grew and
8:07then I took the black square out cuz I
8:08was like, "Uh
8:10um and then I was like, and and not
8:12because I don't think that things are
8:14like not messed up or wrong, it's just
8:16because,
8:17you know,
8:18trendy stuff is just it it's not where I
8:21want to be." So so the black square you
8:24do I did and put it took it off. And and
8:27the black square was basically like
8:28every time anything happens in the
8:30world, I only want to tell them like,
8:32you know, I want to tell people take a
8:33breath, take a moment. Um there's going
8:36to be a lot of emotional reactions.
8:38And um if you take a breath and really
8:41kind of like hear what what actually
8:43transpired. Um let's get there. Um but
8:46it's really hard for I think that's
8:48impo- that's important to to
8:51for for the audience because it's not
8:53like you're a staunch conservative
8:56Republican libertarian, there's no way
8:58I'm doing this. You've always been like
8:59this and you're not going to post the
9:01black square. No, no, you're actually
9:03like, no, this is noble. This is not
9:05out, put it on your face.
9:07So you're doing this and then at what
9:08point are you like, no, this is
9:10ridiculous.
9:11It was really when um the the protest
9:14started happening and
9:17I realized, wait a second.
9:19You're I come from, you know, a family
9:21that started, you know, both my
9:23grandfathers started their businesses
9:24from scratch. And so you're shutting
9:26down all of these mom-and-pop and
9:28smaller restaurants and you know, you're
9:30keeping up in Walmart and you're and
9:32it's just like I started really feeling
9:34for um
9:36you know, those those people that were
9:38getting destroyed during that time.
9:40Um,
9:41and it was the hypocrisy that I had the
9:44biggest problem with. Like, if you can
9:46go to a protest, then you can go to
9:47church. Which church,
9:49for a lot of people, is where, you know,
9:51you can calm yourself, you know? Or
9:53walks on the beach, and living in
9:55California, they were destroying the
9:56volleyballs, the the the volleyball, you
9:58know, like they were chasing people on
10:00the beach who were going for a walk.
10:03Ridiculous. Who were around no one. And
10:04so, that pissed me off, like it did a
10:07lot of people.
10:08Again, nothing to do with you watching a
10:11Joe Rogan podcast, or the news, or
10:13reading an article. This is all you,
10:15individually. You're like, this
10:17doesn't make sense. Okay. So, then
10:19public, what's the first public uh uh uh
10:22outlet where you gave a message where
10:25people in Hollywood are like, "Wait a
10:26minute. What's this all about?" What did
10:28you say that pissed some people off? I
10:30There's a number of things that pissed
10:32people off. I think I um I told people
10:34to open up their businesses. If, you
10:36know, you can riot on the streets, you
10:38can open up your business. That's right.
10:40Um uh
10:42I told people um
10:44Gosh, I think the first real massive uh
10:48problem that I really, really ran into
10:51was the
10:53What it sounds so silly right now to
10:55say, the beep the beep boop boop.
10:57Yeah. The trans thing?
10:58I mean, I like, I don't know how I'm
11:00going to explain this later on in life,
11:02if, you know, to family or to my nieces
11:04and be like, what happened there?" I'm
11:06like, "Well,
11:07I beep bopped and booped a little too
11:09hard, apparently."
11:10Yeah.
11:11So, that was I put the beep boop boop in
11:13my my profile just
11:16only to show that you can um
11:19to expose the bullying that was
11:20happening online that um, you know, we
11:22see so well now,
11:24but, you know, 4 years, 3 years ago, we,
11:27you know, Which which one prompted
11:29Disney or executives or your agent or
11:32managers from Hollywood bless you to
11:33call you and say hey Gina you can't do
11:36that we're about to get you big job you
11:38cannot post this please take this off.
11:40They never said we're you know you they
11:42said
11:44they never said that. They said
11:46we need to educate you about the beep
11:48bopping. Who's they?
11:50The publicists and the publicists who
11:52are answering to the higher ups. And
11:55this these publicists that you're paying
11:56or somebody else is paying?
11:57Well actually both and that's a very
12:00good question.
12:01Publicists
12:03the way that Hollywood works and
12:06the way it's been happening is like I
12:09can hire a publicist for four to six
12:11thousand dollars a month right and it
12:12could they could be working for me. But
12:14they're some of them are answering to
12:17Disney right and so Disney's got their
12:19own publicists and so you've got the
12:21agents you got the managers you got the
12:23publicists and everybody's like so
12:25excited about these bigger companies
12:27that they're not really taking care of
12:29the individual. And then you've got the
12:31media and everybody's got their own
12:33journalists that they call to put out
12:34information and it's like
12:36it's a a mafia and you know a person
12:40does not stand a chance when they're you
12:42know not going along with the narrative.
12:44So they the publicists calls you
12:46both and then who else like from high up
12:49brass that anybody from high ranking
12:52brass Disney did anybody call you and
12:54say this is not going to work you got to
12:56let us educate you on what's the right
12:57approach or no? No actually
13:00um
13:01you know I I offered that you know I
13:03said you know if Kathleen Kennedy would
13:05like to get on the phone with me
13:07I have no problem with that let's let's
13:08talk about this I've met her a couple of
13:10times and obviously this is coming from
13:12that direction.
13:13Um
13:14please I'd love to talk woman to woman
13:16about you know anybody who I talked to I
13:18was trying to be very agreeable at the
13:20same time I'm dealing with
13:23when you get canceled I don't know it is
13:25the the hardest thing one of the hardest
13:28things I've ever been through,
13:29especially cuz I was so naive of what
13:31was happening.
13:32Um, now
13:33it's a lot different. Now I would have
13:35handled it differently and I would have
13:36been a lot calmer, but like I got so
13:37stressed to the point of like my skin
13:39hurting and I was just like you don't
13:42want to be disappointing people. You
13:43don't want to be disappointing the best
13:45job you've ever
13:47had, but at the same time, when you feel
13:49like your line is here and people are
13:51intruding over into your um
13:54this protective space that would make it
13:56feel like you're betraying yourself.
13:59Then, you know,
14:01you just got to hold that line. So, um
14:04Is it true that Kathleen Kennedy is a
14:07the reputation I hear about her super
14:09sweet, very reasonable, understanding,
14:12fun to be around? Is Is
14:15Why are you guys laughing?
14:18She's got the language
14:19saw the photo that Rob got up there. She
14:21doesn't look like that person.
14:22She's got the language of a Mormon
14:23mother. Yeah. Cuz a Mormon mother
14:27Is that what your experience has been
14:29with her or how would
14:30Um, my experience with Kathleen Kennedy,
14:32and by the way, she has had a phenomenal
14:35um history of work.
14:37Sure. That I respect as a woman to
14:38woman. Um
14:40you know, you'll see her name pop up on
14:42some of these movies and it's like, wow,
14:43that is
14:45quite incredible, actually. And so, I
14:47you know, I don't know her entire story.
14:50I don't know what made her um have this
14:53wall of defense that she's had. Um
14:56you know, she's you know, maybe she'll
14:57tell us all that story someday.
15:00But um yeah, it was it was very uh cold,
15:03but I'm trying. So, Jon Favreau, who is
15:06the complete opposite, is just this
15:09bear of a man who is just the most
15:11lovable person um and he would uh
15:14you know, I get shyer and so he he would
15:17be like standing there between me and
15:18Kathleen Kennedy and like
15:20you know, like you know, try to initiate
15:22the conversations. And it wasn't ever um
15:25it wasn't ever bad on set. It wasn't
15:27ever anything like that. Um I had no
15:29problems on set. It was a beautiful on
15:31set. Um
15:32and you know, if a woman's like that,
15:34it's fine. There's plenty of women that
15:35are like that. You don't have to be the
15:37executive of a company and be a nice
15:39person. Um
15:40but it was the problems that came
15:42afterwards and that energy that
15:43happened.
15:44So, what was that experience like? So,
15:45on set, you worked on set with her and
15:47Favreau. She was very there very rarely.
15:50Like
15:51think I saw her maybe two or three
15:53times.
15:53And and your interaction with her when
15:55you spoke, how many if we were to say
15:58this is how many minutes I've spoken to
16:00Kathleen Kennedy, what would you say the
16:02total time is? Um
16:04I'd say like 20 minutes.
16:07Okay. And the 20 minutes was was it more
16:09like, "Hey, how you doing? How are
16:10things?" Or was it more like, "Don't do
16:12this.
16:13This is change this." What what was the
16:1420 minutes like?
16:15it was like two uh magnets.
16:18Oh, really? And was it obvious? I mean,
16:21to me it felt odd, but I'm I'm sensitive
16:23to energy, you know, so like I was like,
16:26you know, trying to be my
16:28normal self and
16:30um you know, she she she does have walls
16:33up and so it's like, okay, you know, I
16:35don't know why those walls are there,
16:37but
16:38it was just like that. And um
16:41that's what it is.
16:42Gina? Or was it after she started
16:44realizing like you were awake, not woke,
16:47you know what I mean? Like
16:48Or was it from the beginning you just
16:49had that energy? Got you.
16:51from the beginning. I um I remember uh
16:55we went to the Star Wars Celebration and
16:58we were all up on stage and we go
16:59through uh you know, everybody go
17:01through, you know, they get announced
17:02and they go through and they shake
17:03everybody else's hand and Kathleen
17:05Kennedy I think was like towards the end
17:08and she shook everybody else's hand and
17:09I go to shake her
17:10hand and she didn't shake my hand.
17:12Get out of here. And I was like, Okay.
17:15All right, what is that?
17:16Accidentally like she didn't see it or
17:18intentionally?
17:18at me. You think she's threatened? Maybe
17:20maybe she's threatened by you.
17:22I have I have no idea. I just realized
17:24like that's that energy. That's what
17:26that's like.
17:27Wow. Is this pre-March
17:295th when she was like that or
17:32the first introduction into um
17:35Star Wars. Like that was my first I'm
17:37all excited and I'm like, you know,
17:39happy to be up on stage and
17:41and then I was like, okay. Now, let me
17:43ask you when when you're happened yet.
17:45There hasn't been an interchange. She
17:47just
17:48kind of a power move.
17:49That's what she said. Yes, sir. So, when
17:51when you're when you're meeting her and
17:54and like are people saying are people
17:57saying things like, "Hey Gina, few
17:59things you need to know when you work
18:01here. That person is this. This person
18:03is this. That person is this." Like, you
18:05know how you go into sports team like,
18:08"Brett Favre used to play for the Green
18:11Bay Packers and the quarterback coach
18:14was was it Mariucci Tom Mariucci was a
18:17QB coach or I think it was Mariucci.
18:19Mariucci started QB coach in the in the
18:21whole West Coast system.
18:22And the coach was was it Sherman? Who
18:24was the coach? Not Holmgren. Holmgren.
18:27Mike and Brett Favre and and Holmgren
18:29would always have issues. But, Mariucci
18:32was like in between the buffers. Like, I
18:34got you. Don't worry. You and I will
18:35work together and
18:37coach just wants
18:38you know, for you to perform better. Did
18:40anybody like kind of you know, prepare
18:43you for what to expect with these strong
18:45media personalities?
18:47No, no. And I think that
18:49Star Wars being one of the biggest fan
18:52bases and also one of the most
18:53controversial kind of toxic fan bases.
18:56There's like two different sides, of
18:58which I have my theory on that. Um
19:00you know, I feel like
19:03when you go into that kind of job, there
19:05needs to be immediate media training,
19:08immediate understanding of the
19:09environment.
19:11Um
19:11and uh to really just kind of like
19:14prepare people for that because uh
19:18But but you know, like I think that will
19:20eventually get there.
19:22It just wasn't there at that time. Got
19:24it. Okay. So, Kathleen Kennedy first
19:26experience isn't that good. John
19:28John is
19:30you know, I played poker with John one
19:32night. John Favreau, Vince Vaughn, and
19:34the guy from Christmas Story, red-headed
19:36guy who becomes a producer later.
19:37boys with Peter or something. I don't
19:38know what his name Yeah, he's boys with
19:39uh uh Oh my god, John was funny. He's so
19:43wonderful.
19:44He is so amazingly
19:46He is
19:48my favorite person in Hollywood to have
19:51ever worked with.
19:52Why is it Why is it? He He He cares and
19:55he does He He's able to reach everybody
19:58in the room. He'll come before a scene
19:59and he'll just let everybody know
20:01exactly He'll somehow make everybody in
20:04that room feel like they have a diamond
20:05that they're holding. Good for him.
20:07And he is just this beautiful,
20:09big-hearted
20:11man who
20:12just has broken my heart to
20:16have had gone through this and
20:18you know, know that that has probably
20:20negative of negatively affected him
20:23because he is just
20:25my favorite like he knew how to get into
20:27my mind. He knew how to direct me.
20:30He knew Sick.
20:31Yeah. And by the way, his birthday's
20:33October 19th. I'm October 18th. I
20:35remember there was one hand where Vince
20:38goes all in. Okay. It's like 2,500
20:40bucks.
20:41Oh, wow. And at this point we've been
20:42playing for 5 hours. This is when Vince
20:44was doing the movie with Jennifer
20:45Aniston. Was it Break-Up?
20:46Yeah. Oh. I love that.
20:49And so he's there with flip-flops. I
20:51mean, they're just like regular 3:00 in
20:53the morning and he goes all in. Next is
20:57John and John's like, "Look guys, I'm
21:00not in this. I'm going to let you two
21:01Middle Easterns go at it." I'm like,
21:02"Middle Easterns? I didn't even know
21:03Vince Vaughn was Middle Eastern."
21:05Apparently he's Lebanese or something.
21:07Can you go to Vince Vaughn? Is he
21:08Lebanese? Go
21:09He's from Chicago, right?
21:10from Chicago, but Lebanese, I'm like,
21:13what Lebanese? I had to actually look
21:14him up.
21:15Can you see if his background is like
21:17Lebanese? Does it Is it Italian and
21:19Lebanese? There you go.
21:21So, he says, "Yeah, he's Lebanese." I
21:22said, "I'm going to let the Middle
21:23Easterns, you and uh Iran and Lebanese
21:26go out it." Anyways, we
21:27Wait, are you guys going off of
21:27Wikipedia here? Yeah. Oh, they're
21:30dangerous.
21:31Dangerous. Don't don't look at mine. I
21:33don't want to know.
21:34Okay. Wow.
21:36Come on. You're you're Lebanese, too.
21:37But you know, just letting you know.
21:39Well, you're just Lebanese today.
21:42You're Assyrian-Lebanese. Anyways, but
21:44the point is Jon was a freaking breath
21:46of fresh air to be around, right? Just a
21:48chill guy. And by the way, it's
21:50important for people to realize Adam
21:51pointed this out a couple days ago,
21:53there's two Jon Favreaus on Twitter.
21:55Yes.
21:55There's a Jon Favreau that's an Obama
21:57speech writer. This is not the same Jon
21:59Favreau.
22:01Favreau.
22:01Jon Favreau is super woke, loud. You're
22:06like, it almost confuses you a little
22:07bit. Please please find the right Jon
22:09Favreau. And also, um you know, Jon's I
22:11don't think he's really on Twitter. I
22:13think
22:14I think he watches from the background
22:16sometimes, but I think, you know, he's
22:18he's uh
22:19I think his um
22:21his whole thing is like, you know, he
22:22loves to just fly right below the radar,
22:25you know, so that he can do what he can
22:26do. And but you know, I I I believe the
22:29man is emotional genius. I believe he's
22:32a
22:32a genius in storytelling. I mean, I
22:34think there's something very special
22:36about him.
22:37That's good to That's good to hear from
22:38uh because that's the impression I get
22:40from him anyways. Were Were there a lot
22:42of people in Hollywood who reached out
22:43to you who agreed with you, but couldn't
22:45be vocal,
22:46and they said, "Look, you're right.
22:48We're with you. We agree with you, but
22:50we can't publicly agree because it's
22:53going to hurt our career." Did Did you
22:54get a lot of calls like that?
22:56Um not
22:57initially.
22:59I got no calls initially.
23:01Um
23:02but
23:03I got a lot of support and have gotten
23:05more support. I go to these fan expos
23:07and people will have me come up to their
23:09booths and they're like, "We're so with
23:10you, sister. We're so with you." And I'm
23:12like,
23:13"I know. I know." And they they they
23:15think, you know, I think there's a lot
23:16more people in the middle. Um, and a lot
23:19of these actors are just, you know, I
23:20know a lot of my co-stars, um,
23:23they hate what happened to me. Um, you
23:25know, Bill Burr was just as incredible
23:28and awesome. And, um, he was like,
23:32"If I, you know, he's like, she's a
23:33sweetheart and if I say anything, you
23:35know, I'm going to get canceled." And
23:36so, at the time, 3 years ago, it was a
23:39different environment and it was hard
23:41for people to speak up. Um, but I every
23:43single one of my co-stars, including
23:44Pedro and Carl, um,
23:47you know, uh,
23:48did not believe what happened to me was
23:50correct.
23:52Which which tweet was it or what did you
23:55say that got you fired? I think I think
23:57the final straw was the, um,
24:02the Holocaust tweet. Um,
24:05and when I I I had posted it on my You
24:08remember Twitter used to have like or X
24:10used to have the fleet section, which is
24:12like the Instagram version of like the
24:14stories.
24:16Well, I'd put it up there and I put it
24:17in my, you know, and I was just kind of
24:18like,
24:19and, um,
24:20liked the fleet. I don't know why they
24:21got rid of it.
24:22liked the fleet. Yeah, I don't know why
24:23they got rid of it. Bring back the
24:24fleet, Elon. We liked the fleet.
24:25great.
24:25So, this is yeah, this is the, uh, Zoom
24:27in a little bit, Rob. Yeah. The infamous
24:30tweet.
24:30The infamous tweet.
24:31Jews are beaten in the streets, not by
24:32Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbors,
24:34even by children.
24:36Because history is edited.
24:38Rob, I don't want an ad, Rob. Gina.
24:41Because history is edited. Most people
24:43Most people today don't realize that to
24:45get to the point where Nazi soldiers
24:46could easily round up thousands of Jews,
24:49the government first made their own
24:51neighbors hate them simply for being
24:53Jews. How is this any different from
24:55hating someone for their political
24:56views? So, if you just read that first
24:59part, yeah, that would be a messed up,
25:01you know, thing, right? Um, it you know,
25:03but when you read the whole thing, in my
25:06interpretation,
25:07and what I would like to do is like I'd
25:09like to put thought pieces out, you
25:10know, I'd constantly put thought pieces
25:12out so that people would just get their
25:13mind working. And so, um, my question
25:16was always like, and I think a lot of
25:17people thought this, like, you know,
25:19before 2020, I never understood how
25:23a population of people could uh demonize
25:27a group of people and allow them to get,
25:29you know, taken from right next door,
25:31um,
25:32and shipped off to a concentration camp,
25:35and ashes are falling from the sky, and
25:36there's, you know, I just couldn't
25:38understand how that could happen. And
25:40I've always been so fascinated with the
25:42World War II movies, they're some of my
25:43favorite.
25:45Um,
25:46so, in this tweet, I thought, you know,
25:48this is something where I feel like
25:51if we keep demonizing each other, if
25:53there's this like demonizing between
25:55neighbors, um, if you keep on doing that
25:57towards one another, we're going to end
25:59up in a bad place. And that was a simple
26:01that's how my my my my my mind simply
26:03just read it like that.
26:05And then I didn't know, um,
26:07you know, I didn't know that like you
26:09get canceled if you bring up the
26:10Holocaust in any way, apparently.
26:12When was this tweet, by the way? Um, I
26:15think it was in September. September
26:172021? 2021, or no, 2020.
26:19Yeah. September 2020. Yeah. And then how
26:23much longer after this were you fired?
26:27I was fired February 2021. Well, so
26:29that's 5 months later. And there was a
26:31lot of torture. Oh, man. In my five
26:34during that 5 months?
26:35Well, from the beep boop boop, which
26:36happened, I think, uh, in August,
26:40uh,
26:40it was just infla- it was inflamed,
26:43right? The whole, um, my whole
26:45experience and
26:47it was inflamed. I was going through
26:48this massive struggle session, and, um,
26:52yeah, so I just uh finally
26:55finally they just stopped contacting me
26:57around I think after December and I
27:00hadn't heard from them and I was like,
27:01well,
27:02there's that.
27:03Does your agent does your agent contact
27:05you and be like, hey, listen, they're
27:06not even I mean there there has to be
27:08some type of communication cuz you you
27:09were even about to have like a spin-off
27:10of
27:12your own show. Yeah. Right?
27:13Yeah, so I got a phone call from Jon
27:15Favreau. Um I think it was October or
27:17November and they had told me he had
27:19said
27:20I was like, okay, what kind of
27:21conversation is this going to be?
27:23And he was like, it's all positive,
27:25Gina. It's great. Everything's good.
27:27You're going to be great. Um and I want
27:29you to know that your life's about to
27:31change because I have written the pilot
27:33of Rangers of the New Republic and it
27:36was okayed by Disney and you're on your
27:38way.
27:38what a phone call. And it was like
27:40after all of the awful things that had
27:42been happening I was I was just like, oh
27:44my gosh, like this is insane. This is
27:46wonderful. And I'm saying, you know,
27:48everybody's being very emotional. All my
27:50male co-stars, all of like the, you
27:53know, everybody's allowed to like say
27:55their opinions online, so I, you know, I
27:57stuck to continuing my opinions. Um
28:01but I don't think I ever said anything
28:02that was
28:04um you know, I think that was like the
28:06most intense that it got, which you
28:08could see something like that on um
28:10you know, the Holocaust Twitter account,
28:13you know, like that's like
28:15history, you know, so
28:17um so he he called me and told me that
28:19and I was like, you know, on cloud nine,
28:22like, okay, it's happening.
28:24That's cool. Yeah.
28:25And then so that's good news. That was
28:26wonderful.
28:27October, November, but then what
28:29happened February? Um
28:32February was that tweet.
28:34Oh, you tweeted that September though,
28:36right?
28:37no, okay, I'm so sorry. I think
28:38September's the pronoun, the beep boop
28:41Got it. That's February.
28:42February, yeah, that February 2021 was
28:44that tweet.
28:45So how much longer after that did you
28:46Was it instant?
28:48the day, I think. It was the day. Like
28:50within hours.
28:51And is this when they made the
28:52announcement where,
28:54you know, even I think Bob Iger came out
28:56C Gina Carano something something. Bob
28:58Iger comes out and defends the firing
29:00The Mandalorian. We stand
29:03for our values. I think Bob said this.
29:05Was that Bob Iger or Bob Chapek?
29:07Could be Chapek. Let me see. It says Bob
29:09did this so Disney's Okay, this is
29:10Chapek cuz Iger's not back here. Disney
29:12CEO defends Gina Carano's firing from
29:14The Mandalorian. We stand
29:16for values that are universal.
29:18Uh Bob Chapek defends the firing
29:20emphasizing the company's commitment to
29:22universal values such as respect,
29:23decency, integrity, and inclusion.
29:26Chapek stated, "I don't really see
29:27Disney as characterizing itself as a
29:29left-leaning or right-leaning."
29:31Highlighting their focus on creating
29:33content reflective of the most world's
29:35diversity, continued yet instead
29:38standing for values. Rob, can you pull
29:39up what percentage of the Disney
29:41executives give their money to the left
29:42or the right? Cuz that's public
29:43information. When they say left-leaning
29:46and right-leaning, Mr. Chapek, with all
29:47due respect,
29:48Yeah. yet instead standing for values
29:50that are universal value for respect,
29:52value for decency. Again, going back to
29:53the same thing. Carano's termination
29:55came
29:56after she likened modern-day Republican
29:58Holocaust victims in now-deleted
29:59Instagram post. She wrote
30:02what we just read a minute ago. Which
30:04was never posted. It was always in a
30:06story and it was among a bunch of other
30:08It was never a deleted
30:10It was a fleet that kind of expires 24
30:12hours. Got it. Despite similarities in
30:14social media activity with co-star Pedro
30:16Pascal, who shared a post complaining
30:18Trump voters to Nazis, Carano was the
30:21one let go.
30:23So, Chapek
30:25versus Kathleen Kennedy. How much of
30:28this firing do you think was Chapek? How
30:30much of this firing do you think was
30:32Kathleen Kennedy? By the way, is this
30:33it, Rob? In 2020 2020
30:35Right there. So, that's the percentage
30:37of money they gave to the left versus
30:38the right. So,
30:39if we take that, I think it's fair to
30:42say Tom, 9 80% of the Okay, 7.64
30:45million. What's the other one, Rob? It's
30:46not left-leaning. It's fallen on the
30:48ground to the left.
30:49me the number. 7.6 million plus what?
30:52Plus 1.4? Yes, 1.42. So, 7.4 million
30:56divided by 9, 82% of their money goes to
31:00the left. So, you are left-leaning
31:01Chapek based on how you give your money.
31:03It's like somebody that
31:05you know, says, "I don't discriminate
31:07between Starbucks and Coffee Bean." Yet,
31:10out of the five coffee you buy, you buy
31:11at Starbucks. You prefer Starbucks
31:13coffee. There's nothing wrong with that.
31:14Just be public about it. So, who had
31:16more power in you getting fired? Do you
31:17think it's Chapek or do you think Chapek
31:20got so many calls from Kathleen Kennedy
31:22that they that she's the reason why you
31:23got fired?
31:24You know, I think that is something that
31:26we're going to find out through
31:28discovery.
31:29Cuz you're going through that right now.
31:31Um
31:32Yeah, well Okay. Well, I mean, we're
31:35Yeah, we have to get to the the point
31:37where we get there right now. But,
31:39yeah, we're we're going to find out. My
31:42My question
31:44I really can't wait to understand this
31:45one thing is and you could probably pull
31:47up what they said about me, the comment
31:50that they they said I was denigrating
31:52people off of cultural and religious
31:53beliefs and that it was abhorrent.
31:57Um I want to know so badly
32:00who okayed that. That had to have been
32:03someone at the top. That had to have
32:04been okayed
32:06because that was so damaging. And that
32:09quote right there was basically telling
32:11the rest of the industry, "Do not touch
32:13this person. She's off-limits."
32:15Wow. Um Meanwhile, you have
32:18in in Disney's
32:20plethora of actors, you had you know, um
32:24people be convicted of something
32:26you know, bad and then they they go on
32:29an apology tour that Disney on one of
32:32Disney's channels. You know, you've had
32:35you know, Go back to that, Rob. Go back
32:36to that, Rob, because I I want I want to
32:38make sure our audience sees this. I
32:39don't know if we put it up or not.
32:40Lucasfilm statement from
32:42uh uh her firing stated her social media
32:44posts denigrating people based on their
32:46cultural and religious identities are
32:48abhorrent and
32:49uh unacceptable. Carano seeking damages
32:51to be And this is February 6th, 3 weeks
32:53ago we're talking about. No, they put
32:54that right out um on I think February
32:5710th was the date, 2020. One. Yeah. When
33:00you got fired. Okay.
33:012021, yeah. So So now you're suing
33:03Mandalorian because of this statement uh
33:05uh But if you look through If you look
33:07at that statement and then you go
33:09through everything that I've ever posted
33:11and you go back through, you know, I've
33:12had a Twitter account since 2009.
33:15I urge you to go through it. I'm sure
33:17they're coming through it right now.
33:18Come through everything and see if that
33:20statement fits me. And it doesn't. A
33:23thousand percent it doesn't. So So
33:26again, going back to Disney, Chapek, we
33:29stand by our values. The main one of the
33:30four is really the inclusion one cuz the
33:32other three you're doing it. It's not
33:34like you're not doing it, but the
33:34inclusion, okay, you're being to their
33:36definition of what they got as a
33:38left-leaning organization, Disney, based
33:40on 80% of their money going to
33:42Democrats, which again, that's their
33:44position that they have.
33:45While that's happening
33:47and they fired you afterwards, how many
33:50job offers you got? What calls you got?
33:53What calls stopped coming in? How did it
33:55directly impact you financially,
33:57lifestyle-wise? How dramatic was that?
33:59Oh.
34:00I was, you know, I was getting, you
34:03know, screeners. I was getting invited
34:04to
34:06um auditions. I was meeting some of like
34:08the better directors. I was going to the
34:11red carpets. I was
34:13um
34:14you know, people were sending me stuff.
34:16I was just like there, you know, it was
34:19just happening for me and it was so
34:21exciting.
34:22And on that moment, on February 10th, it
34:25just dropped and the only phone call
34:28that came in
34:29Well, one, the phone call that came in
34:31was from Dana White.
34:33Which
34:34um
34:34I've known I've known him for a long
34:36time and he texted me and he said, "Hey,
34:38Ben Shapiro's trying to get a hold of
34:39you."
34:40And I was in bed just bawling. You know,
34:43I was just devastated. And um
34:47And yeah, Ben Shapiro's the call that
34:50came in. Ben Shapiro's the call that
34:52came in.
34:52The only one. Yeah. By the way, do you
34:54want to know something crazy? Do you
34:56want to know something crazy?
34:57poker with Ben Shapiro.
34:58No, no, no, no, not at all. Not at all.
35:00Not at all. But he is not worth 25
35:01billion dollars. Rob, can you do me a
35:03favor But he is you do me a favor and
35:06pull this up? Let me tell you what the
35:08craziest I just found. Can you do
35:10me a favor and pull this Tom? You're
35:12going to flip out with this.
35:13Specifically the way you and I look at
35:15uh
35:15business and finances. Pull up Pull up
35:17what I just sent you right now on the
35:19link. This is pretty wild. So, the
35:22firing happens February of 2021. Okay?
35:27Do you want to know the craziest data
35:30that's going to freaking blow you away?
35:32It's so awesome. Let me tell you how
35:34awesome this is. Pull this up. Check
35:35this out. Do you know when Disney's
35:38valuation was the highest ever in the
35:41history of its company? Go lower. Go
35:43lower. Go to the highest point right
35:45there.
35:45Look at that.
35:47Go back a little bit. Go back a little
35:48bit. February 2021 is when Disney was
35:51worth the most ever. 341 billion
35:55dollars. Compared to where they are
35:56today. Go to today's Disney's market
35:58cap. This is a little bit older. Go to
36:00Disney's market Okay, right there. 201
36:01billion dollars. They lost 140 billion
36:04dollars from the day they fired you.
36:07Wow.
36:08that's not funny and I mean Well, it
36:09kind of is to me. Is that not the
36:11craziest You know what the market said?
36:13The market said
36:15financially after their five How many
36:17busts did they have Rob? Just in 2023
36:20flops? Five of them? Well, there Yes,
36:22five that totaled around 100 million
36:24dollars in losses. 100 million? I'm
36:26sorry. I'm I'm A billion dollars in
36:28losses. It was 900 million for four
36:31flops, but the five is around a billion
36:33dollars. The the most Disney was ever
36:36worth Wow.
36:37was right before they fired you. So,
36:39maybe it wasn't a good decision by
36:41Chapek. And when they did fire you, Iger
36:43had to come back, okay? Because now
36:45they're trying to kind of figure out a
36:47way to make it work. Tom, do you mind
36:49kind of just real quick share a little
36:51bit on what's going on with Disney right
36:53now financially? I think it's very
36:54important. Now that we just shared this,
36:56what's the conditions of Disney right
36:57now financially with the reports that
36:58just came out?
36:59Well, over a five-year period, the the
37:01stock is basically at zero. So, if you
37:03bought Disney five years ago, you went
37:05on a little bit of a run, and you're
37:06actually down 5%. So, you've lost 5%
37:09over five years. So, that's that's not
37:11too good. That's not 10 years. That's a
37:12That's like a near-term horizon. And
37:15this week, just the other day,
37:17they put out
37:18By the way, you're saying five years,
37:19FYI,
37:21four years from February 2020,
37:25if we go from February 2021 to today,
37:28three years. You know what the case is?
37:30What's 140 billion on 340 billion? Let's
37:33kind of do that, okay?
37:35Oh, yeah. And if you jumped on the ride
37:36in the middle of it, it's been a bad ex-
37:38Well, let me do this. By the way, in the
37:40last three years, Disney has lost 41%.
37:44So, if you put a million dollars in,
37:47your million dollars today is three is
37:51What would it be? $590,000
37:54today, three years later. That's minus
37:5541. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, to put it in
37:57trend So, a five-year investor is
38:00disappointed. A three-year investor has
38:02an axe in or at the front door.
38:04Yeah. Yeah. There we we go.
38:06So, Disney's Board of Directors just
38:07puts out a letter. And every company,
38:10once a year, puts out a letter talking
38:12about people, "Hey, we're going to
38:13reelect our board members." Standard
38:15stuff. The first line of the letter,
38:19"The board has been laser-focused on
38:21strategy that will drive shareholder
38:23value. In other words, stock price.
38:25That's the first thing. Not nice to see
38:27you again. Wow, what a year it's been.
38:29Sometimes the opening of these letters
38:30is a little bit fluffy cuz there's a
38:32little bit of marketing in there. And it
38:33says, "So, we're going to restore our
38:35dividend uh that we declared in July.
38:37We're raising the dividend by 50%. So,
38:39if you own a share of stock, you get a
38:40couple bucks from Disney as a dividend
38:42to be a shareholder. They're increasing
38:44it by 50%. That's called a bribe.
38:47Disney Disney says, "And we're also
38:49buying back $3 billion of shares off the
38:52market." Why that? Cuz fewer shares on
38:54the market, supply demand, it means the
38:56price should go up a little bit, but
38:57it's artificial. It's not being driven
38:59by a hit movie or great success. So,
39:02we're going to do that. And the next
39:04thing is, and we promise you, promise
39:06you, we're reining in cost it so that we
39:08can cut 7 and 1/2 billion dollars of
39:10cost by the end of 2024. Is there
39:13anything in there about theme parks or
39:15movies or entertainment? Nope. That That
39:18was all of the first two paragraphs. You
39:21get to the back, there's nothing about
39:24we're confident in our entertainment
39:25business anything like
39:26Future. So, they're not selling the
39:27vision at all.
39:27No, they're not selling it.
39:28bright at all.
39:29And then the last paragraph goes to war.
39:33Now, remember, there's a couple big
39:34investors, the Trian Group with Nelson
39:36Peltz and the Black Wells who are both
39:38saying, "Hey, we really think leadership
39:41is the issue cuz you're an entertainment
39:42company and we don't think you're very
39:44entertaining." That's an accurate
39:45statement. So, we'd like to nominate
39:47some of our people to be on the board to
39:50be the overseers to guide the ship. And
39:52so, they said,
39:53"Please know, the Disney Board of
39:55Directors does not endorse the Trian
39:56Group, specifically Nelson Peltz and Jay
39:59Rasulo, or the Blackwell nominees and
40:01believes they are unqualified to serve
40:04on our board and preserve value
40:07creation." They double down.
40:09So, that's that's what they do. So, they
40:10do that and then they provide this
40:13little chart. There's a chart on the
40:14back here. If If listening on Spotify,
40:15you can't see this. This is a chart.
40:18There are nine squares on the chart.
40:20you have this or no? Okay, keep going,
40:22Tom.
40:22There are nine squares on the chart, and
40:23all and all of them are financial
40:25related to move the stock price. Um,
40:28you know, cash dividend, 50% 3 billion
40:30stock buyback, the things they said in
40:32the letter. You get down to the bottom
40:34and there's one box in the corner of the
40:35bottom. Uh, we expect expect to reach
40:38profitability in our streaming business
40:41Q4 '24. And um and we're also, by the
40:44way, we're going to do a $60
40:4710-year investment in our theme parks
40:50and cruise ships.
40:51And um
40:53we're going to put more decision-making
40:55authority with creative teams. That's
40:56all they say. But there's nothing in
40:58here that we're excited about the
40:59movies.
41:00In the front. And they they brag about
41:03Academy Award nominations, but there's
41:05nothing in it about box office, nothing
41:07in it. At the same moment This is called
41:11funny. The same moment on February 26th.
41:14So, what do you get as a shareholder
41:15there, Pat? You sit there and read this
41:17and you go, "Well, what are you doing
41:18about the movies? You've got all these
41:20movie flops and losses. You're not
41:21talking about that in your shareholder
41:22letter. What the hell?" Well, at the
41:25same movement moment, literally the same
41:27day, within an hour, they announce Sean
41:30Bailey, who has overseen live-action
41:32movies of Disney, is stepping down. He
41:34will leave the company. We are What is
41:36up, bro? We are This is Wall Street
41:38Journal. You've got Sean Bailey stepping
41:40down. Wall Street Journal, that was
41:41literally 2 hours after the shareholder
41:44There it is.
41:45Disney head of live-action movie to step
41:47This is not a lightweight guy that's
41:48stepping down.
41:49No, basically what they're doing is what
41:51they couldn't say in the shareholder
41:53letter is that they have a strategy and
41:54they've got traction and things are
41:55going good with movies. They can't say
41:57it. So, instead, what do they do? They
41:59chop off somebody's head and they throw
42:01the bloody body into the street. Sorry
42:02to be graphic, Gina.
42:04it happened to me, too, so don't worry.
42:05Yeah. She's a fighter, Tom. She can take
42:07it.
42:07I got thrown into the street. It's fine.
42:09Yeah. Exterior day, bloody executive
42:11rolls in street. Yeah.
42:13Fade in. Fade in. It's a simple It's a
42:16financial scene. So, so he said Bailey
42:18would be succeeded by David Greenbaum,
42:20and then they talk about he was at
42:21Searchlight Pictures and we're also
42:23going to combine two positions in the
42:25newly created role of combined studio
42:28group leader. So, that's an hour later.
42:30And then the Wall Street Journal, who
42:32has had enough of this crap,
42:34comes out and writes an article on Jay
42:38Rasulo, you know, one of the guys
42:40the one time? That one right there? Yep.
42:43Meet the former Can show this to the
42:44audience. So, it's it's in there.
42:46Remember, this is one of the guys that
42:48they say are unqualified to serve on
42:51Disney's board. Jay Rasulo worked at
42:54Disney. He worked with Michael Eisner.
42:56He was part of Eisner's strategic
42:57planning team. He was a former CFO. He
43:00was a former CFO. So, Which means he
43:02knows all the numbers.
43:03That's exactly right. And he was brought
43:05by Eisner
43:06uh from Burbank to lead parks. He
43:08launched parks over in France, learned
43:11to speak French in 2 years so he could
43:12speak fluently with the team.
43:14Really? Crushed the returns over 2,000%
43:17return.
43:17Go back to where you were at, Ron.
43:18On Disney Europe. And Wait, what is that
43:20Jay's Jay Rasulo recalls meeting with a
43:23high-ranking Communist Party official on
43:24the trip to
43:26not to give up. Jay, keep knocking at
43:27the gate. Someday it will open. What? He
43:31He Well, he also spent time going around
43:34the world for Disney to open doors. And
43:37this he apparently had a dinner with a
43:39Communist Party official said, "Hey,
43:40about being CEO of Disney, keep knocking
43:42at the gate. Someday it will open." Now,
43:45Eisner retires and
43:48Iger comes in and Iger says, "Look, I
43:50like you as CFO. I don't like you as
43:52COO. And um
43:54that's that's it. We're done here." Um
43:57he said, "Be my CFO." And Rasulo came
43:59back a couple months later, a month
44:00later actually, and said, "I'm sorry.
44:02I'm I'm not going to do this anymore."
44:04So, he leaves and Rasulo, you know,
44:07they throw a quote out when by the way
44:09when Trian Group recruits him to be on
44:12the board, they throw out this. Disney
44:15spokesman
44:16and later it was Iger was I didn't say
44:19that. That is a position of the company.
44:21So a little bit of a a wimp there. In
44:23our view, Jay Rasulo's analog
44:26perspective is not relevant to the
44:27challenges of today's digital world. So
44:30they're trying to make him seem like old
44:32school uninformed. No, no, no. It's not
44:34like he's making movies in the '60s.
44:36This guy is a CFO who knows where the
44:38bodies are buried and he knows how the
44:39math adds up. And so Ooh, look at this
44:42guy. So Disney
44:43for Disney? He's killed nine trees. Just
44:45letting you know. But go ahead, Tom.
44:47Why why why should Disney be worried
44:49today, Tom? Because if Trian Group and
44:52their proxy get on there Why would
44:54Disney inside Disney
44:56just Nelson Peltz. It's two guys. Both
44:57of them are billion. One's One guy's
44:59worth 4 billion. The other guy's worth 1
45:00and 1/2 billion. They got a lot of
45:01influence. They're sitting there saying,
45:03"What the hell are you doing with this
45:03company now? We're losing money. It's
45:05not doing the kind of numbers it was
45:06doing. You're You're forgetting who your
45:08customers are. Parents that are wanting
45:10to take their kids to to movies to watch
45:13a movie. Kids are not your customers.
45:15It's parents. Why are you pissing off
45:17parents who don't want to take the kids
45:20to movies? For us, Tom, when we go to
45:21movies, you know what's the first thing
45:22Tico does?
45:23I'll say, "Tico, go look up what's the
45:25app? Fandango. Go see what movies are
45:28on." Tico will say, "Dad, it's probably
45:30going to be movies that we don't want to
45:31take We don't want to take the kids to."
45:33Tico's 12 years old when he says
45:34something like this, okay? He'll go No,
45:36I'm being serious. You've been around
45:37Tico to know who he is. I know.
45:39Yeah. So he'll say, "No, we're not No,
45:41we can't do this." And he'll go look at
45:42the score. "No, there's another LG
45:43There's a trans character here. There's
45:45a this character here."
45:46Even
45:47kids are starting to I just want a
45:49regular flipping movie. Stop trying to
45:52brainwash me. This isn't working. So at
45:56what point at what point will Disney
45:59realize this shit's not working. They
46:01got to change.
46:02I think they know it right now and I
46:03think they're scared to death that
46:06Blackwell or Trion is going to get
46:08somebody on the board. That's why
46:09they're trying to bribe shareholders for
46:11those guys. Everything's okay, we're
46:12buying back $3 billion of shares. We're
46:14going to give you a bigger dividend.
46:15It's okay, it's okay. Stick with us,
46:17stick with us. As soon as those guys are
46:18in there, that that basically everybody
46:22behind the curtain knows it's not
46:23working. It's just people are not strong
46:24enough to stand up to Kathleen Kennedy
46:26and the creatives that want to take a
46:27certain creative path. The minute these
46:30guys are on the board, all kinds of hell
46:32is going to break loose and a lot of
46:33people are going to lose or going to
46:35lose out and there's going to be massive
46:37repercussions and Iger goes from the
46:39right of a lifetime to writing a turd.
46:42You know, it's basically what he's got
46:43in terms of performance right now. I got
46:45you Tom. So I got a question for you. So
46:47and and this is for you as well since
46:49you're on the inside, you work with
46:50them. Who do you think has more
46:52influence in Disney? There's this book
46:54that John Maxwell wrote, I think it's 21
46:56irrefutable laws of leadership. One of
46:58the things he talks about is the law of
46:59E.F. Hutton. That back in the days, E.F.
47:02Hutton was the guy, he'd be in the room
47:04and a main guy is the main decision
47:06maker, but the main guy would always
47:08say, "Hey, E.F. Hutton, what do you
47:10think about it?" Okay, good. Bones,
47:11okay, got it. So hey, so what do you
47:13think about it? So eventually people
47:14realize
47:15that's the influence. He's going to E.F.
47:17Hutton to see what E.F. has to say. But
47:19like for for Buffett was Charlie Munger,
47:22right? For everybody, there's somebody
47:23they go and say, "What do you think?"
47:25And that person is very influential
47:27person.
47:28Who has got more influence at Disney? Do
47:30you think it's Kathleen Kennedy or do
47:32you think it's Iger?
47:34Well, what I think in my perspective
47:37what happened is I think that these
47:39companies are so afraid of making maybe
47:42previous mistakes and so
47:44they try to hire younger
47:47maybe people with less life experience
47:49and they want to stay current and
47:52up-to-date and ahead of the times and
47:55Um, so then they start you know, they've
47:57got the assistants and they've got they
47:59flood their companies with people who
48:01maybe have never even left the United
48:03States and never been somewhere and
48:04actually realize how wonderful we really
48:06do have it here.
48:07Um,
48:08and I think that the it's a it's a game
48:10of telephone really that just starts
48:12crawling up the the ladder. But then I
48:15also think, you know, this is Star Wars
48:17is these problems have been haven't hap-
48:18happening for a long time. You can't
48:21take that uh responsible responsibility
48:23away from
48:24the leadership and you can't take that,
48:26you know, on the Disney side and the
48:27Lucas Film side. So I don't know how it
48:28all works, you know, is is Kathleen
48:30Kennedy um, she's obviously needs to be
48:33held responsible responsible of Lucas
48:34Film because she's been the leader. Um,
48:36and then
48:37you know, on the other side I think
48:38they're they're they're both
48:39responsible. But but who have Who do you
48:42think has more I'm I'm looking at If you
48:43pull up Kathleen Kennedy, the work she's
48:45done, by the way, I thought you were
48:46saying Kathleen Kennedy's young. I think
48:48you were talking about the assistant
48:49because Yeah, like the people that they
48:51hired. I think that they were like in I
48:53think they were they're just listening
48:55and they're they're trying to they're
48:56trying to be forward,
48:58but they didn't realize they were or
48:59maybe they did realize that, you know,
49:01or either way it's the it's either that
49:04way or it's the opposite way. Like
49:05they're hiring a bunch of people they
49:06can control. And
49:08which makes sense. By the way, just to
49:10give her credit on what she's worked on.
49:12Ready?
49:13This is Kathleen Kennedy things she's
49:14been the executive producer on.
49:16Gremlins, Poltergeist, Back to the
49:19Future, The Goonies, Fandango, An
49:21American Tail, okay?
49:23Back to the Future 2, Dad, uh uh Tommy
49:27Trouble, uh uh I don't know what the
49:29hell that is. Gremlins 2. An American
49:31Tail.
49:313, yeah. An American Tail, crazy. Cape
49:34Fear.
49:35Empire of the Sun. Oh my Schindler's
49:37List, she was the executive producer on.
49:39Schindler's List.
49:40Wow. So she, you know, Jurassic Park,
49:43Lost World, Signs, terrible movie. Um
49:46Must have been a sign. I watched it. I
49:48watched it.
49:49It was a 24-month period. I went back
49:51and I read about her bio. In a 24-month
49:54period, she went from ET to Indiana
49:56Jones to kick off her career as a
49:59frontline, top-line producer.
50:01Tom. She did The Color Purple.
50:03That was That was later, but those 24
50:05months when everybody in Hollywood said,
50:07"Who is this woman?" It was ET and
50:10Indiana Jones in a 24-month period. Talk
50:12about box office, talk about
50:14merchandising, talk about Good grief,
50:16Indiana Jones is a permanent ride. You
50:18know, there's all these things that
50:19happened, and the rest of her career she
50:21proved that that was no fluke. So, she's
50:24a professional in the industry, but that
50:26have more influence than Bob Iger?
50:27That's what I want to know. Well, I
50:28think I I think she probably does now,
50:31and that was the point that South Park
50:34made in their parody, and all the voices
50:36in Hollywood I mean, Trey Parker has
50:38been slightly conservative for a while,
50:39and he came out with that South Park
50:41even at the the Pander Dome, right? And
50:44all the whispers in Hollywood goes,
50:46"Yeah, that's the way it really is." And
50:48that's what I was noting, not the fact
50:50that there was a parody, but that all
50:51those voices were like, "Yeah, you know,
50:53that's kind of the way it works there."
50:54What did you think about when you saw
50:55what the South Park joining the
50:57Panderverse? Oh, well, I did have a
50:59tweet about it.
51:00A long one. Uh, yeah.
51:02Yeah. Um
51:04you know, I was like, well, this is
51:05what's going to happen next. Um this is
51:07what I went through, basically. Um
51:10yeah, I mean, it was kind of refreshing
51:12to know that people can see exactly what
51:15my experience was.
51:17Um and they're sitting there making fun
51:19of it, which I think you know, humor is
51:20positive. Um it was nice. It was nice to
51:25I felt
51:26a little vindicated.
51:27And just And just just going off of what
51:28you said, uh from everything that you've
51:30you've gone through, from the BLM stuff,
51:32come to find out, you know, George Soros
51:34back, they went broke It was a scam,
51:36they stole all this money, ridiculous,
51:37right? The trans thing, we're seeing
51:39more and more that it's like more of a
51:40mental thing, these people are, you
51:41know, they have mental issues, a lot of
51:43them are doing mass shootings now, so
51:45now that's a whole different situation.
51:46And then the Disney, you're watching you
51:47leave, they lose a hundred billion
51:49dollars cuz that whole thing. Does it
51:51kind of feel good inside? Like not not
51:53necessarily vindication, but it must
51:55feel good inside your heart of hearts
51:57that you stuck to your guns and you were
51:58right this entire time. Does that feel
52:00It feels um you know, I I feel like I've
52:02been in the desert for the last couple
52:03years and that hasn't felt good.
52:07But it the the part that does feel good
52:09is the um I have I am honest and I am
52:12clear and my heart is good and I was
52:14coming from a good place and that was
52:16very obvious and I think that you know,
52:18so many people were watching what
52:20happened to me and they say this is an
52:22innocent person here that you're
52:24destroying. You're you're going above
52:27and beyond to destroy this person.
52:29Um
52:30and I think that's why my case has had
52:33such a impact because it was so obvious.
52:36It was just so in your face. So, for the
52:38last couple years it's been uh it's been
52:40a desert and it's been
52:43hard, but um it's okay to go through the
52:46desert because um
52:48then I got an email after I just
52:51realized, okay, maybe my life is going
52:52to be living in the desert now. Yeah.
52:54And I got an email um from an attorney
52:57that said that they were representing X
52:59and that they'd like to um look through
53:02my case and I was like
53:03What a great What a great phone call
53:05from from getting a Yeah, from Jon
53:06Favreau to now a lawyer from X going, I
53:09think we have something. Well, they
53:11didn't know what I had. They said, I
53:13want to look at what you have.
53:16Um and there's just been such you know,
53:18my life has been riddled with such
53:20incredible moments like that. I mean,
53:23incredible director Steven Soderbergh
53:24picked me up from fighting
53:26and gave me an awesome awesome
53:28opportunity.
53:29Um you know, Jon Favreau, incredible
53:32human being um
53:33amazing mentor and and really started
53:36finding my stride in acting. Um Ben
53:38Shapiro helped me out and just he just
53:41took the sting off of it, right? Like I
53:44I didn't take the cancellation away. Um
53:46we we tried to really like puff up and
53:48say, you know, it's going to be fine.
53:49Yeah. Um it's going to be fine and it it
53:51was a door open, but as far as me, I'm
53:54still very much in the desert.
53:56Um and then here comes Elon Musk and I'm
53:59just like
54:00who does this happen to?
54:02Yeah. I'm just like there's real men in
54:04the world that um have
54:07opened doors for me that um
54:10it's just made my life so for for him to
54:12do this and X to do this for me is
54:16it already has lifted this
54:17thousand-pound, you know, beast off of
54:20my chest because whether I wanted it or
54:22not, I was carrying around the shame of
54:25being fired. Nobody wants to be fired.
54:27And so I was carrying around whether I
54:29was trying to like put on the brave
54:30face, I was carrying around the shame
54:33and um it was affecting my me me
54:35physically, it's been affecting me
54:36mentally.
54:38And then um when I got that
54:40email, I responded like
54:42within 3 hours and I'm like, I don't
54:44care if I seem eager right now. I said
54:45Yes, yes, yes.
54:46Yes, I would love to speak with you. And
54:49then I got on the phone with them and
54:50they're told him what happened, told him
54:51my story. They said, could you, you
54:53know, send us some stuff? I just sent
54:54them everything that I had and
54:56they ended up speaking with X and um
54:58Elon and uh explaining the story and
55:00they really believe that we have an
55:02awesome
55:02Oh, so much.
55:03By the way, I mean this is when you're
55:04telling the story, you know,
55:06you know, you know, when you're asking a
55:07question, do you feel vindicated?
55:08Yeah. You know what's a thing? Mhm. You
55:10know, okay, so let's just say you get
55:12money. Fine. That's one thing. But you
55:15know what's annoying? What? It's like
55:18you're have such momentum, you're
55:20peaking and you take you want to work.
55:22Like the what is the purpose of money
55:24without me creating something, being
55:26part of something? It's so frustrating
55:28when you're at your peak and you're not
55:29able to create, build. You got stuff
55:32that's going on at your best. Like that
55:33is so annoying.
55:34When I'm working and it always puts my
55:36dad in tears. It's the only time I see
55:38him in tears
55:39is when I'm working, I am at my best
55:41because I'm consistent and I, you know,
55:43diet's consistent, work is consistent,
55:45my health, my mental health. And And
55:46that's also why I was speaking out about
55:48the lockdowns, too, because you get a
55:50bus driver who's been, you know, driving
55:51a bus for 30 years and might have an
55:53addiction problem and you're going to
55:54shove him at home and stick him with
55:57like all this reality of at home and
55:58then he's going to start drinking again
56:00and now we've got alcoholism and now
56:01we've got um deaths everywhere. So,
56:05as an artist, I know what it's like to
56:06not work and it's it's it's a we need to
56:09work as humans, you know? Um and it's
56:12really hard to kind of create your own
56:13work, which is what I'm doing now, um
56:15finally.
56:16But, I mean, it was uh it was
56:19devastating.
56:20part that's first. I want to read this
56:21because the story comes out February 6th
56:23this this this year. Gina Carano sues
56:26Disney over Mandalorian firing and
56:28lawsuit funded by Elon Musk. This is the
56:30Hollywood Reporter.
56:31She She initiates you a lawsuit against
56:34Disney and Lucasfilm alleging
56:35discrimination and wrongful termination
56:37stating my words were consistently
56:39twisted to demonize and dehumanize me as
56:42an alt-right wing extremist. Carano
56:44contends she was fired for her cultural
56:47and religious beliefs accusing Disney of
56:49ignoring offensive posts made
56:52by male co-stars and seeks a court order
56:54that would force Lucasfilm to recast her
56:57role with at least a $75,000 in damages.
57:00That's chump change to them. Elon Musk's
57:02X Corp funds
57:03Carano's lawsuit reflecting a broader
57:05debate and corporate influence as
57:07Carano's case underscores tensions over
57:10online expression with Musk pledging
57:13to support user facing discrimination
57:15saying, "I'm honored that my case has
57:17been chosen to be supported by the
57:19company that has been one of the last
57:20glimmers
57:22of hope for free speech." And then
57:23couple days later Forbes writes about
57:25this as well. Musk rages against
57:28Disney's Disney's DEI Gestapo and
57:31doubles down on the crusade in a series
57:32of posts on X. He published that what he
57:34claimed is Disney's full set of DEI
57:36standards and guidelines on how to
57:37achieve them. Musk
57:39savage the guidelines, which he
57:41describes as laws, as racist, sexist,
57:44and discriminatory and a likely reason
57:46why most of the media giants content
57:49from the past few years has sucked. The
57:50billionaire has
57:52said the guidelines were laboriously
57:54vile and claimed merely navigating the
57:56DEI minefield will crush the creative
57:59process. It crushes the creative spirit
58:02of someone who just wants to make great
58:04art, which is what we just talked about.
58:06Musk said in a response to a post from
58:08the Libs of TikTok, a popular and
58:10influential account known for its
58:12inflammatory posts and incendiary
58:15rhetoric against liberals, which often
58:18targets LGBTQ people. Now, keep in mind,
58:20this is Forbes. So, Forbes has to play
58:21through the DEI score.
58:23Without providing any evidence, Musk
58:25says the company's diversity program,
58:27when enforced by Disney's DEI Gestapo,
58:29referencing Nazi's Germany's feared
58:31secret police, infamous for deploying
58:33brutal tactics and torture to support
58:36resistance. It must feel good that you
58:37got the most, you know, powerful media
58:40billionaire wealthiest guy, modern-day
58:43Iron Man backing you up. Well, it was
58:45the only way
58:47it was going to happen and, you know, I
58:50had to move out of Hermosa Beach. I had
58:52to move out of LA. I had paparazzi
58:54knowing where I lived. I had stalkers. I
58:56didn't live in a gated community. I was
58:57very much in danger where I was at.
59:00So,
59:01sold the house, bought an RV, traveled
59:04across 25 states, and thought I was
59:07going to end up in Nashville with the
59:08Daily Wire, didn't. Love them, but just
59:11wasn't my This is not where I ended up.
59:14Um, and then I went up to Montana when
59:16we shot Terror on the Prairie and I fell
59:19in love with it. I fell in love with the
59:20freedom. I felt like I could breathe. I
59:22could see the big sky. Big sky country.
59:25And I just felt like this is where I
59:26belong.
59:27This is where I I feel safe. Yeah, so
59:30um yeah. That's great. So, how far are
59:33you guys right now with the lawsuit?
59:35Um
59:37well,
59:38I'm not very good at the lawyer stuff,
59:41but I believe they have a certain amount
59:42of time
59:43um
59:44to respond. They being Disney? Yeah,
59:47they have a certain amount of time to
59:48respond to the case and um you know,
59:51that could be a number of different
59:52ways, I guess. Oh, and something of that
59:54magnitude too, cuz you nailed it. Like
59:56your career, you're on a rocket ship.
59:58They're going to have to take into
59:59account of everything that you have
1:00:01missed, especially with your trajectory.
1:00:03So, I mean like Don Don Lemon just got
1:00:0525 million from CNN for like a 3-year
1:00:08contract. This is going to be something
1:00:09to where the farm that you have, you're
1:00:11going to buy llamas, you're going to
1:00:12have you're going to have so many
1:00:14animals on this farm, Gina. It's going
1:00:16to be great.
1:00:16Well, I you know, I haven't actually
1:00:18even thought and this is to be very
1:00:20frank, I haven't thought about that
1:00:22because I
1:00:23I feel like right now I'm playing um
1:00:26an important part in that you know, this
1:00:29I do believe that's what happened
1:00:30happening to me right now is like a
1:00:32God-given
1:00:33gift and I
1:00:34Right.
1:00:35um
1:00:36so, whatever happens, um I feel that
1:00:40there's a purpose in this.
1:00:42Whether it's to let people know know
1:00:43that they're not alone cuz so many
1:00:45people felt alone during those last 4
1:00:47years. I love that you said that too cuz
1:00:49you were in the you were in the desert.
1:00:51God put you in that desert and you're
1:00:53getting to the water, which I think is
1:00:54freaking it's so I'm so happy for you.
1:00:56And you know, sometimes justice doesn't
1:00:58happen the way we want it to. We think,
1:01:00okay, justice, you know, and when I was
1:01:02in the desert, I was like, oh man,
1:01:04where's I see other people getting
1:01:05justice. Where, you know, am I going to
1:01:07get justice? And then finally when I
1:01:09just kind of gave it over and I was
1:01:11like, okay, God, you know,
1:01:12it's yours. And then about like a week
1:01:15later, that's when the ex email came in.
1:01:19So great.
1:01:20okay, well, then I'm not going to think
1:01:23about what's going to happen
1:01:25um how people are going to react. I
1:01:28think that um
1:01:30I would love
1:01:31you know, I would love I want people to
1:01:33be happy. I want people to come
1:01:34together. I want them to see each other
1:01:36as human
1:01:37um like we are actually
1:01:39when we are together, you know, um on
1:01:42the internet everybody's a tough guy.
1:01:44Yeah, of course. But when you get with
1:01:45people and you're sitting in a
1:01:47you know, middle seat of an airplane,
1:01:49you know, you're you you could have all
1:01:51sorts of different views and all sorts
1:01:53of sorts of different cultures and
1:01:54you're you know, not how you would be on
1:01:56the internet. So, that's where I'd want
1:01:58us to get somehow.
1:01:59Yeah, as your case unfolds, um what's
1:02:02very interesting, I've been trying to
1:02:03read little bits and you can't really
1:02:05find a a full legal analyst breakdown,
1:02:07except there are comments that are out
1:02:09there, Pat, that point out that when
1:02:11press releases are made by companies for
1:02:14their quarterly reports and
1:02:15announcements, those usually come
1:02:16through a group called investor
1:02:17relations and lawyers are looking at
1:02:20every word of the press release because
1:02:22you can get sued for putting out
1:02:23incorrect financial information or
1:02:24speculating that moves the stock market.
1:02:28The PR group is usually the ones that
1:02:30and by the way, investor relations also
1:02:32handles, Pat, statements made by the CEO
1:02:35because the CEO's voice can move the
1:02:36stock. On the other hand, marketing and
1:02:39PR have usually been, if you read about
1:02:42it, the thorn in the side of investor
1:02:45relations because they put a press
1:02:47release out too quick or too impulsively
1:02:49and it comes through marketing uh
1:02:52uh corporate communications and PR and
1:02:55you have investor relation people and
1:02:57the lawyers that usually run screaming
1:02:58down the hall "What did you just put
1:03:01out?" And in this case, Pat, when you
1:03:04look at those words that we're saying,
1:03:06they came through marketing and
1:03:07corporate PR. When we read that, what
1:03:10Disney said there, and that is going to
1:03:12come home to roost cuz Disney is
1:03:14probably fearing two things right now.
1:03:17One, they fear discovery because every
1:03:20text message, every email internally
1:03:22that talked about this is going to come
1:03:24out in public in this case. Number one.
1:03:28Number two, to avoid that, Pat, Disney
1:03:30has to openly file with the judge and
1:03:33say, "We'd like all corporate
1:03:35communications to be sealed." Well, the
1:03:38minute Disney does that, it only takes
1:03:39one or two conservative news outlets
1:03:42say, "Gee, why would you want all the
1:03:43stuff sealed that's coming out in court?
1:03:45Why would that be?" If they settle
1:03:47want that. That's right.
1:03:48they don't want that. If they settle,
1:03:50it's an admission of guilt with a check.
1:03:52That's right. If they don't settle, it's
1:03:55public embarrassment with all these
1:03:57emails and stuff that are coming out at
1:03:59a time when DEI is getting serious
1:04:01pushback. Yeah. I had to find it. It's
1:04:03no win for Disney right now. I really
1:04:05really am happy that this happened
1:04:07because I want professionals to look at
1:04:09this. I want professionals in the legal
1:04:12field and Disney and I want them to come
1:04:14through it and I want them to come
1:04:15through their own emails and the emails
1:04:16that I was sending. And I want them to
1:04:19take a good hard look internally at what
1:04:22happened here. Like I'm not afraid of
1:04:24that. I want that to happen so that um
1:04:26thing can things can get better for the
1:04:28people, the employees in the company and
1:04:30every division.
1:04:31And um like I I I I'm happy that
1:04:36they're like I'm happy those lawyers I
1:04:38mean, can you imagine these lawyers are
1:04:39like, "Oh my gosh." Oh, wow. Beep boop
1:04:42boop.
1:04:44This is what you took
1:04:45This is what you took away a 20-year
1:04:46career for is this right here. And it's
1:04:48like you can imagine these lawyers are
1:04:49like, "Oh my gosh, like who Oh, if it
1:04:51goes to trial, do you know how funny
1:04:52that'd be if you just see that beep boop
1:04:53boop and then it's like, "That right
1:04:55there and you guys destroyed her? Pay
1:04:58up." That's so funny. It's like I don't
1:05:01know Yeah, if it gets there. Like those
1:05:03three words.
1:05:04I'm really not that controversial, you
1:05:06know? I just um
1:05:08I was speaking out at a time that um
1:05:10people were afraid to speak.
1:05:12Who Who fears Kathleen Kennedy?
1:05:16Who fears Kathleen Kennedy?
1:05:20I mean Producers that want to be
1:05:22greenlit. I think anybody who I I I
1:05:25don't think it's just Kathleen Kennedy.
1:05:26I think it's the Disney and Lucasfilm
1:05:29name. So, once you have Lucasfilm or
1:05:31Disney,
1:05:32um, that name on your team,
1:05:35uh, on your on on your your resume, then
1:05:37your your whole world opens up. So, I
1:05:39think it was Scarlett Johansson that
1:05:40said once that, you know, I do these
1:05:42bigger films so that I can do my
1:05:44passionate, you know, independent, you
1:05:45know, projects, which actually Scarlett
1:05:47Johansson had a, um, lawsuit and a
1:05:49settlement with Disney as well for uh,
1:05:52mistreatment, um, or breach of contract,
1:05:54which is different. But,
1:05:56Being deceived on release dates and
1:05:58streaming rights. It's like factual
1:06:00things that they did that she was dead
1:06:02right. They
1:06:03And I think Emma Stone actually had
1:06:04something that she was, uh, upset about
1:06:06as well. And so, this is there's a
1:06:08history of this happening. Um,
1:06:11of mistreatment, um,
1:06:13So, I think, you know, why wouldn't I I
1:06:16don't I don't know what these meetings
1:06:17go like in Disney, but why wouldn't
1:06:19somebody just sit down and at least look
1:06:21at my case and be like, "Look.
1:06:23Look at the stock. Look what had
1:06:24happened. Look at the date. Um, look at
1:06:27the effect that it's had on people.
1:06:29Let's make the situation right. You
1:06:31know, they're they were so good at
1:06:33trying to tell me how to apologize,
1:06:35exactly the words to say. I didn't use
1:06:37the right words. I wasn't apologetic
1:06:38enough.
1:06:39How does this company who obviously saw
1:06:42a smear campaign happening to me and did
1:06:44not step in?
1:06:45How do they not know, and how can they
1:06:47not show everyone, "We're going to do
1:06:50what's right. At least in this case.
1:06:52We're going to do what's right. We're
1:06:53going to make it right." Um,
1:06:56has that conversation even been brought
1:06:58up of how they can do that? Like
1:07:01I'm I'm
1:07:03I I wish that I could be a,
1:07:05you know, a mouse in that that room of
1:07:07like how it has Have they even Have they
1:07:09thought of it?
1:07:10Same thing Yeah. Same thing, you know,
1:07:12like with the with Johnny Depp, right?
1:07:14It's just Amber Heard does her thing.
1:07:16Everybody they let them go It's
1:07:17everybody jumps They love to eat their
1:07:19own and make it make an example without
1:07:22taking two things, taking a second and
1:07:24finding out hearing everybody's story,
1:07:26but just destroying people just like
1:07:28that, destroying their lives cuz as much
1:07:29as people want to say he's vindicated
1:07:31and everything, but people the other
1:07:32side still looks at him and goes, "You
1:07:35you abusive beating" They still even
1:07:37though he won.
1:07:38They still are going to see you like
1:07:39that. Like you're going to you're going
1:07:40to have that for the rest of your life.
1:07:41You're going to have people go up to you
1:07:43and be like, "You hate black people. You
1:07:45hate Jewish people." And they don't give
1:07:46a They don't care about the truth side
1:07:49of it. They just see you and and and
1:07:51that's it.
1:07:51Well, and that was one of the most
1:07:53painful parts is I'd always go in
1:07:55Hermosa Beach to the Smiths, I think it
1:07:57was there, and I'd always go to um I
1:08:00forget his name now, but this black man
1:08:02and I um
1:08:03we'd always talk about ribs and we'd
1:08:04always kind of like compare cuz I always
1:08:06want to find out how to you know, cook
1:08:07the best rib. And we had the best
1:08:09relationship um and then when I was
1:08:11canceled
1:08:13I It's the first time I was okay with
1:08:15wearing a mask. It was like
1:08:17I felt like
1:08:19"How am I going to go in here and he's
1:08:20going to see all these headlines and I
1:08:22don't know how to tell him this isn't
1:08:23true. I don't know how to tell him." And
1:08:25it hurt me so bad and he did He came up
1:08:27to me. He's like, "Gina, what are they
1:08:29saying here?" Like
1:08:31And he was so confused and I was like in
1:08:33tears in the grocery store just like
1:08:36"I don't know how to tell you all of
1:08:38this is lies
1:08:40and I'm so sorry, you know, um
1:08:42and it killed me. And the thing is these
1:08:44big companies and Disney knows you'll
1:08:47cancel someone, you'll put them in the
1:08:48desert
1:08:49and you know, they'll suffer and people
1:08:51will forget about it and their company
1:08:53will go up and down, but that person's
1:08:55career, once you've done something and
1:08:56made that kind of statement about them,
1:08:58will suffer forever. Mhm. And um you
1:09:01know, Johnny Depp is a powerful enough
1:09:03person that he's able to, you know, make
1:09:05a comeback, you know. I was at the tip
1:09:06of my breaking point. And um,
1:09:10it is due to the people um, keeping my
1:09:12case relevant is due to um, God uh,
1:09:16blessing me with opportunity to keep it
1:09:18relevant and
1:09:19um, and and incredible people and men
1:09:22that um, and women that are are
1:09:26supporting me all around the the world.
1:09:30The when you when you think about Lucas
1:09:31Film, that's very important that you're
1:09:32sharing that because at the end of the
1:09:33day when you are going through times
1:09:35like this, you you you it's one source
1:09:37you can always rely on, which is God.
1:09:39You know, everybody at this table is at
1:09:41the on the same page with you. Tom, with
1:09:43Lucas Films and and Gina, who runs it
1:09:47now? Uh, does George Lucas still have
1:09:49any influence or is it all Kathleen
1:09:51Kennedy? It's Kathleen Kennedy and also
1:09:54this uh, gentleman that they've just
1:09:55named who's going to be ahead of the
1:09:58Dave Filoni. Uh, Dave Filoni? Uh, that
1:10:01in the reorg that left uh, Mr. Bailey
1:10:04laying in the street, it's it's there's
1:10:07the Greenfield and Greenblatt and those
1:10:09are the two guys that now control both
1:10:12sides of the movies according to the
1:10:14reorg. So, according to the reorg, those
1:10:16are the guys that are now uh, in charge
1:10:19of it and it's a combined
1:10:22combined position.
1:10:23You made a very interesting and good
1:10:25point. I'll go back to real quick. You
1:10:27say, who and to Pat's question, who's
1:10:29afraid? The answer is everyone in
1:10:32Hollywood is afraid because they want
1:10:34the Disney Lucas
1:10:36thing on their resume and what you said
1:10:38is if you Scarlett Johansson said, I
1:10:41want to do the bigs and stay big enough
1:10:43so that I can do my passion project. And
1:10:46if Ben Affleck didn't have a career as
1:10:48Ben Affleck, the world never gets Argo.
1:10:50Mhm. Which won Academy Awards. And it
1:10:53took him and um, was he Matt Damon was
1:10:55also a producer on that? I'm not sure.
1:10:57But they were they've been buddies and
1:10:59they worked apparently for almost 10
1:11:01years to get that thing greenlit. So
1:11:03Pat, everybody wants the bigs and they
1:11:05want the big resume just like executives
1:11:07want the big logos on LinkedIn so that
1:11:09they can later in life go to all the
1:11:11things that they want.
1:11:12me read to you what Natalie Portman said
1:11:14which I like. Natalie Portman on the
1:11:15decline of film
1:11:17amid the age of social media and
1:11:19influencers. This is from the Hollywood
1:11:20Reporter. This is uh 5 days ago.
1:11:23Natalie Portman reflects on a changing
1:11:24landscape of Hollywood noting the
1:11:26decline in the prominence of film as a
1:11:27primary form of entertainment
1:11:29particularly among younger generation.
1:11:30The striking thing has been the decline
1:11:33of film. If you ask someone my kids age
1:11:37about movie stars, they don't know
1:11:39anyone compared to YouTube stars or
1:11:41whatever. Portman acknowledges the dual
1:11:43nature of this industry's shift. There
1:11:45is a liberation to it. Powerful that
1:11:47she's saying is because she's part of
1:11:49the establishment. Yep.
1:11:51You can really explore explore what's
1:11:54interesting to you. It becomes much more
1:11:57about passion than about commerce.
1:11:59Portman recognizes the democratization
1:12:02of creativity facilitated by social
1:12:04media. There's also This is sorry.
1:12:06There's also been democratization of
1:12:08creativity where gatekeepers, hence
1:12:11these names we're talking about, have
1:12:13been demoted
1:12:14and everyone can make things. It's
1:12:17pretty wild that you also feel like at
1:12:19the same time more people than ever
1:12:21might see your weird art film because of
1:12:24this extraordinary access. So how social
1:12:26media
1:12:27and content creators, the Mr. Beasts of
1:12:30the world, are people sitting The next
1:12:31generation's going to be like, I don't
1:12:32give a about kind of movies you're
1:12:33making cuz they're shitty anyways. Why
1:12:34am I sitting here watching your stuff?
1:12:36I'm going a completely different
1:12:37direction.
1:12:38Are these guys long-term sitting there
1:12:40worried about what average day-to-day
1:12:42content creators are going to do to them
1:12:44just like what the podcasters of the
1:12:47world, they Joe Rogan getting 11 million
1:12:49views per podcast where these guys on
1:12:51national TV they're being saved simply
1:12:53by seniors who watch the news, sports,
1:12:56and big pharma. Do you see that
1:12:58happening with YouTube stars and
1:12:59Hollywood?
1:13:00I think it's already happening and to
1:13:01use to you to coin a phrase, you know,
1:13:04we've seen it in industry before in the
1:13:06in the late 1970s the US automakers were
1:13:09dinosaurs and they didn't know it and
1:13:11the and Japanese brought quality,
1:13:13efficiency, low cost cars and more
1:13:15importantly, you know, fuel efficiency,
1:13:17right? And they didn't even know they
1:13:18were dinosaurs and they had to retool
1:13:20everything and they almost died.
1:13:21Chrysler did die and was brought back
1:13:23from the dead by the federal government.
1:13:25I think these guys similarly there's a
1:13:29meteor that is already passing by the
1:13:31moon coming toward Earth where all the
1:13:33dinosaurs die, you know, if you believe
1:13:35the theory that the meteor hits Earth
1:13:36and all the dinosaurs died. Um I think
1:13:39it's happening. I think like if you see
1:13:41what I mean, the meteor's passing the
1:13:42moon and these folks I think know it.
1:13:45They're losing control. They've lost
1:13:47distribution. They're desperately trying
1:13:49to keep theater chains in business.
1:13:52COVID came at exactly the wrong time cuz
1:13:55theater chains almost died and so that's
1:13:58distribution. It's a streaming world and
1:14:00once it becomes an all streaming world
1:14:02and you don't have the theater
1:14:02experience, guess what? Anything can go
1:14:05there and Netflix and everybody else
1:14:08will put you on the library and if
1:14:10social media can get you popular and
1:14:12people start clicking on it and then
1:14:14tell their friends, guess what? The old
1:14:15gatekeeper, I make the movie, I will
1:14:18tell United Artists Cinemas what my will
1:14:20launch window be. I'm the 4th of July
1:14:23window. Everybody else out of the way.
1:14:25That was the way those deals went, Pat.
1:14:27Well, I thought that's that's that's
1:14:28what's happening. I one of the first
1:14:31emails that I I mean, I remember being
1:14:33really irritating me was
1:14:35um
1:14:36oh, by the way, uh they're asking if you
1:14:38would unfollow these couple accounts
1:14:41um and they were YouTubers who had been
1:14:42very critical of uh the new Star Wars
1:14:45movies and some Disney
1:14:46Who's they? Uh PR people? The PR people,
1:14:50you know, were saying that these people
1:14:52didn't have nice things to say about
1:14:54Kathleen Kennedy and that they would
1:14:55like me to unfollow these accounts cuz I
1:14:57was very engaged in interacting with
1:14:59these people.
1:15:00I was new to Star Wars, so I was excited
1:15:02about like
1:15:03you know, I wanted to learn as much as
1:15:05possible. So, who else to learn from the
1:15:07fans that have been, you know, following
1:15:09it all of these years. Um Was this your
1:15:11PR or agent PR on the outside or is this
1:15:14corporate PR on the inside?
1:15:16corporate. That makes sense. So, it's
1:15:18not really cool it's not really the PR
1:15:19firm. It's really Kathleen Kennedy
1:15:21telling corporate PR to tell you
1:15:22know, you know, they're telling me
1:15:24unfollow these accounts. And so, of
1:15:25course, you know, like you don't want to
1:15:27rock the boat. I don't like to, you
1:15:28know. So, I was like, "Oh, okay. Okay."
1:15:30And then I didn't and I kept on
1:15:31following these people and it just made
1:15:32me look when you tell you to somebody
1:15:34not to do something, they're like,
1:15:35"Wait, what?" And so, you keep on
1:15:37looking and you keep on looking and you
1:15:38just think
1:15:39Um I should be able to follow who I want
1:15:42to follow on my own social media
1:15:44account. Um
1:15:45and these heads of companies of the the
1:15:48biggest companies in the world
1:15:50should understand that
1:15:52you know, it's it's almost like they
1:15:53went in and they just threw away um to
1:15:56some of these fans, they just bombed
1:15:58their, you know, dreams and their, you
1:16:00know, um their Star Wars. And so,
1:16:02they're upset about it. And then to go
1:16:05and tell the actors and the producers
1:16:07and the directors and people, "Hey,
1:16:08these people are racist. These people
1:16:10are this." and smear these YouTubers who
1:16:13they're human beings. They're not going
1:16:14to be perfect, but they're genuine
1:16:16critics. Whereas, Rotten Tomatoes is
1:16:18getting paid off by studios and that's
1:16:21been proven. So, we're actually excited
1:16:24about the YouTubers, you know, genuine
1:16:27thoughts and feelings on stuff. And I
1:16:28love watching them grow into
1:16:31more professional, well-spoken, um
1:16:34seeing all sides of the, you know, the
1:16:37the coin here.
1:16:38But, um that didn't sit well with me, so
1:16:40I didn't I didn't unfollow these
1:16:42accounts.
1:16:43And I think that um
1:16:45you know, that was probably well, why
1:16:47didn't she unfollow them? Well, because
1:16:49I I've been criticized. They criticized
1:16:51me, I think at some point. And instead
1:16:53of
1:16:54instead of shunning them, I engaged with
1:16:56them. I joked with them, you know, like
1:16:58I feel like these are not cruel people.
1:17:00They just have felt betrayed by the
1:17:02things that they absolutely give their
1:17:04entire like you walk into a Star Wars
1:17:06fan's house and they have
1:17:08rooms rooms of just memorabilia.
1:17:12Yeah, it's very weird. I spent thousands
1:17:14of dollars to support this thing and
1:17:16then that happened. And Gina, just from
1:17:18you saying that, how crazy is that that
1:17:20that Disney has people literally monitor
1:17:23not what you're posting, who you're
1:17:25following. That's a job of somebody to
1:17:27go and be up. No, and that that's that's
1:17:29pretty pretty weird, don't you think?
1:17:31also, right?
1:17:33It's it's it's it's aggressive and I
1:17:34think uh you know,
1:17:36these people aren't difficult, you know,
1:17:38have them to set.
1:17:39Have them come to a set. Have them see
1:17:41the inside.
1:17:42Um you know, educate people. You know, I
1:17:45think that education is wonderful and um
1:17:48interaction is a beautiful thing. So,
1:17:49that's
1:17:51the the direction I took and just by
1:17:52simply engaging with these people,
1:17:54they're like, "Oh, you know, cool. We
1:17:56might not believe in everything that she
1:17:58believes in, but she's cool. She's
1:17:59solid, all right. Let's you know, move
1:18:00on."
1:18:01So, I just um I think YouTubers, I think
1:18:04uh
1:18:04you know, it's the it's completely
1:18:06shifted. I think we're it's getting
1:18:07exposed. Like the Rotten Tomatoes, did
1:18:09you hear about that story?
1:18:11The studios were were paying them for
1:18:12for the reviews that they wanted.
1:18:14For like five
1:18:15Yeah, weird. And then we would go watch
1:18:16the movie and we're like, "Wait, wait
1:18:17wait a minute. Yeah.
1:18:18They lied to us, you know what I mean?
1:18:19the audience score now. You see the
1:18:21Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, "What?"
1:18:22It doesn't make any sense. I never trust
1:18:24their score. Or now we're forcing people
1:18:26to be active like that.
1:18:27It's supposed to What is this? So, there
1:18:29has been happening for years. A PR firm
1:18:30named Bunker 15 is said to have paid as
1:18:32much as $50 for a single Rotten Tomato
1:18:35review. The payments, which aren't
1:18:36typically disclosed or usually given to
1:18:38obscure critics who happen to be part of
1:18:41a pool tracked by right Can you click on
1:18:43that and go a little bit deeper into the
1:18:45story? I've never trusted their reviews,
1:18:47ever.
1:18:48Zoom Okay, I can't even read that.
1:18:50That's so tiny. I can't read that. So,
1:18:53you don't worry about it. See if there's
1:18:54another story like there's says a little
1:18:56bit more about it. There's Vulture shall
1:18:57have a gap. So, anyways, it's
1:18:59another thing that's happening. Sorry,
1:19:00not to interrupt you. There's another
1:19:01thing that's happening is I believe that
1:19:04um
1:19:05you know, these and I actually from
1:19:07experience cuz I thought, "Okay, this is
1:19:09going to be a massive blowout with this
1:19:10announcement." And so, we're
1:19:11interviewing interviewing publicists,
1:19:13right? Um there's a thing called crisis
1:19:16publicist that
1:19:18was the funniest It was the funniest
1:19:21meeting cuz I was like, "I I'm ready for
1:19:23this shitstorm, right? I'm just ready
1:19:25for it." And this really brilliant um
1:19:27smart woman got on the phone and she's
1:19:29like, "Yes, you definitely need this.
1:19:30When this breaks, it's going to be like
1:19:32this and what we can do is we can
1:19:34manipulate Google and we can manipulate
1:19:37all of this stuff. And I And I was like,
1:19:40"Oh." I was like, "Oh, so
1:19:42you guys are doing that?" Oh, yeah.
1:19:44Yeah. I was like,
1:19:45Weird. "Wait, this is kind of feeling
1:19:47weird, you know?" And she's like, "Oh,
1:19:48yeah. And we do all of the sorts of
1:19:49really cool tricks that we have." And
1:19:52then
1:19:53And then I was like, "Oh, okay. Well,
1:19:57what I you know, cuz I've had a bad
1:19:58history with publicists now."
1:20:00And I was like, "What is your
1:20:02environment of your business? Is it like
1:20:04put a politically are they okay with
1:20:07freedom of speech and thought and
1:20:10And she said, "Well, I won't lie to you.
1:20:11We're mostly 80% Democrat out of New
1:20:13York." And I was like, "Oh, okay.
1:20:15Weird. Okay." And then she said the
1:20:17funniest thing. And I you not, I
1:20:19laughed for crying laughing for a minute
1:20:23straight on the phone with her. And I
1:20:24was like, "Okay, so who are your
1:20:26Who are your clients?" And she said,
1:20:29"We got anybody from George Soros Oh,
1:20:32no. To this other whoever know I didn't
1:20:34know the other name and I cried laughing
1:20:37and I was like
1:20:38just like I can't
1:20:41what to do with this company.
1:20:42So like Anthony Weiner, you're like
1:20:43really? George Soros by the way I was
1:20:46like that's the name? That's it I know
1:20:47That's who you pick? Yeah. I can't you
1:20:51know I just I I I had a call if you
1:20:52remember we had a call with this one
1:20:54girl
1:20:55and she she's saying I said so listen
1:20:57I've hired a different PR firms before
1:21:00but this is what we stand for we love
1:21:01capitalism we're this we're this we're
1:21:02that I said what are your So well I have
1:21:04to tell you we're probably not a fit for
1:21:05you. I said that's great to know up
1:21:07front cuz I don't want to pay 20 grand a
1:21:08month then you realize afterwards we
1:21:10represent Leo we represent this we
1:21:12represent George Clooney
1:21:14at least she was open about it the fact
1:21:16that that's who we are. I like her.
1:21:18Yeah I love that.
1:21:19liked her a lot I really I really liked
1:21:21her a lot it was just the fact that um
1:21:24yeah I know that that that the George
1:21:27Soros name was just like nope
1:21:29like because basically in my opinion and
1:21:31it's just an opinion you know if you've
1:21:33got a client like like George Soros he
1:21:35basically owns you. There's no question
1:21:38about it.
1:21:38So I mean if you know maybe there's a
1:21:40different company or different person
1:21:41that they would have said I was like you
1:21:42literally said the name that you know
1:21:45you're
1:21:46you're not running your own company
1:21:47you're responding to anything that he
1:21:49wants because if he could be becomes
1:21:51upset then you know Yeah you're out.
1:21:53And then she was like by the way can you
1:21:54send me the complaint and I was like
1:21:57Yeah no. No. Yeah.
1:21:58No I'm good. Absolutely not. No one
1:22:00needs to do that.
1:22:00but you know I have to say and I you
1:22:02know when she watches this that you know
1:22:04you're a hustler I appreciate your
1:22:06hustle and I appreciate you know you
1:22:09you're
1:22:10a strong intelligent woman.
1:22:11Transitioning into a couple other
1:22:13stories by the way
1:22:14Ryan Reynolds the the the names you've
1:22:16worked with how was it working with Ryan
1:22:18Reynolds? How was it working with some
1:22:19of these other guys that
1:22:21they you worked with in the past? Oh I
1:22:22Ryan Reynolds is just brilliant he's a
1:22:25you know comedic genius
1:22:27He can rattle off jokes that will have
1:22:30the entire, you know, all of the crew
1:22:32just like busting up in tears and like
1:22:34you see like the camera shaking and they
1:22:35have to like redo it because he is just
1:22:37so brilliant. And who's even more
1:22:39brilliant than him, sorry Ryan, but is
1:22:41his wife.
1:22:42Um She's amazing. I love her. Yeah.
1:22:45Blake is um I she sat down next to me at
1:22:48our cast dinner.
1:22:50She was so kind and she just had a baby
1:22:52and the baby was up in the room and she
1:22:54um it was really funny because, you
1:22:56know, she had dinner and then she went
1:22:58back up and
1:23:00Ryan said, "This is what my wife sends
1:23:02me." And so he was flipping through and
1:23:03it was like baby picture, baby picture,
1:23:05baby picture and then it was like cow
1:23:07balls. What the hell?
1:23:10So she's
1:23:11I love that. So she's just brilliant.
1:23:13She's an absolute
1:23:15fashion icon. I absolutely adore her.
1:23:18She texted me while I was in Vancouver
1:23:21shooting and she said if you want me to
1:23:22show you around just a complete kind How
1:23:25long ago was that? Um what word was
1:23:28Deadpool? That was a while ago.
1:23:30Um
1:23:32That was a while ago. I mean and I
1:23:33haven't heard from them since but uh
1:23:36but but beautiful beautiful memories.
1:23:38I I love his work and I have to, you
1:23:41know,
1:23:42roman what do you call it roman romance
1:23:44movies? What what's the name for?
1:23:46There's a name for it.
1:23:46Rom-com. Rom-com or whatever they call I
1:23:49just hate saying that. Rom-com.
1:23:51Rom-com is comedy, right? Is that
1:23:52romance comedy? Or No, no, I'm talking
1:23:54about like a notebook. What do you call
1:23:56that? That's called a what? Uh that's
1:23:58drama. Is that drama? Okay.
1:24:00I have watched her, Blake Lively, in Age
1:24:03of Adaline starting the 41-minute mark
1:24:06where they pick up the sister and he
1:24:09makes a comment saying, "Don't worry, my
1:24:11sister doesn't use a cell phone. She
1:24:12just graduated from UC Berkeley." Where
1:24:14they make that joke and you ever seen
1:24:17this movie Age of Adaline? I'm going to
1:24:18be No, and I'm shocked. Is it dope?
1:24:2041-minute
1:24:22mark, your body's going to have the
1:24:24chills?
1:24:25What a freaking sick movie and she
1:24:28crushes it in this movie. So you don't
1:24:29know what the movie's about.
1:24:31I'm going to I'm watching it now. I have
1:24:32seen it but it was one of those
1:24:35I wasn't paying too much attention to it
1:24:37but
1:24:37Oh my god.
1:24:38But you know I I followed her career and
1:24:41I look up to her as an actress and I am
1:24:43she is one of our classic beauties.
1:24:45She's a beast. Was she in The Town? Was
1:24:47she Ben Affleck's girlfriend in The
1:24:49Town?
1:24:49Yes and she Oh what phenomenal Wow I
1:24:51even I just realized that. She's a
1:24:53monster by the way. She's probably one
1:24:54of the top you know one of the best
1:24:56right now at it. I don't know how much
1:24:58she's she's how much work she's doing
1:24:59right now. And her husband Ryan Reynolds
1:25:01is I think it's hard when I think it's
1:25:02hard when when you marry an actor
1:25:05a famous male actor. I think it's hard
1:25:07for the female actors. Um
1:25:09you know I think it's hard for them to I
1:25:11mean I dated a famous actor once and
1:25:14you know people treat you like Oh yeah
1:25:16you're just the Yeah yeah exactly.
1:25:18You're just the flavor of the month but
1:25:20I'm like
1:25:21oh gosh I'm this I I didn't know I was
1:25:23going to get that energy.
1:25:24How was he by the way? You talking about
1:25:25Henry Cavill, right? Was he pretty Oh
1:25:27he's beautiful. Wonderful.
1:25:30He gives me the vibes that just a very
1:25:32cool cat.
1:25:33He's a professional. He's
1:25:36he's just
1:25:38passionate I'd say.
1:25:40Um
1:25:40So what was happening with him and I
1:25:43don't know the details cuz you know
1:25:45it's been a while since I've spoken to
1:25:47him but very nice terms.
1:25:50Um you know I think he's just so
1:25:52passionate like you know on Batman
1:25:54versus Superman you've got
1:25:57you've got well Zack Snyder who is
1:25:58amazing. I met him in person. He's a
1:26:01super Batman fan, right? Well you've got
1:26:04Ben Affleck's got the writer and so
1:26:07Henry's over here
1:26:08like well we got to get some you know we
1:26:11want to make sure that we don't forget
1:26:12about Superman and so you know he he was
1:26:15such a wonderful Superman. Yep. Um and
1:26:18he loved that more than anything.
1:26:19Did you guys date when he was Superman?
1:26:21Um I didn't know he was Superman. It
1:26:24hadn't come out yet. So, actually it was
1:26:26really funny. I didn't know who he I
1:26:27thought he was an acting coach when um
1:26:29we started dating. And Get out of here.
1:26:31Well, cuz
1:26:32Yeah. Yeah, it was it's it was like I
1:26:35And then I was like, "Oh, you're an
1:26:36actor." And then I, you know, he wasn't
1:26:38Superman at that time.
1:26:39Yeah, wasn't big yet. I mean, Henry's
1:26:40been Henry for a minute, no? Yeah, I I
1:26:43Yeah, but he wasn't
1:26:44meet? Well, I walked into a sushi
1:26:46restaurant and Dwayne Johnson's uh stunt
1:26:49or um security who um is a lovely
1:26:52person, Ben Blankenship. He um and I'd
1:26:55just been on the phone with my agent and
1:26:56I was like, "I need an acting coach."
1:26:58You know, it was my second movie and I
1:27:01need help, you know? And so, I walked in
1:27:02and I I'm really always friends with the
1:27:04stunt. So, I was with the stunt team and
1:27:06Henry was in there um with uh Dwayne
1:27:09Johnson's uh
1:27:10Ben Blankenship and um
1:27:13just by chance Ben Blankenship was like
1:27:15I was like, "Oh, hi. Nice to meet you."
1:27:16And you know, you meet a lot of people.
1:27:18And um he was like, "Well, he's an
1:27:20acting coach." Without of the blue, he
1:27:22said
1:27:22As a joke, though.
1:27:23As a joke, but
1:27:24believed it.
1:27:24Because I didn't know who he was.
1:27:25Get out of here. What year is this? Um
1:27:28whenever Fast and the Furious, that Can
1:27:30you give me a rough estimate what that
1:27:31year would be? Like uh
1:27:32There's been so much It's There's been
1:27:34so many years that
1:27:35is this? I want to know what So, Fast
1:27:37and Furious 6 is Is it 2012, 2013 type
1:27:40of thing?
1:27:40Um yeah, around whenever we were filming
1:27:42that.
1:27:43So, Superman's not out yet. Mhm. And he
1:27:47asks you out. Was it like a just a Well,
1:27:49it was funny cuz it was like I
1:27:51Apparently, he had a date the next night
1:27:53and I was going out with Ben
1:27:54Blankenship, who I adored.
1:27:56And um Not as a date, just as friends.
1:27:59Yeah, like we're out in London, you
1:28:00know?
1:28:00Yeah. And then Henry showed up, you
1:28:02know? And so, apparently he ditched his
1:28:04other date. And then you guys went on a
1:28:05date next day.
1:28:06Yeah, and from the moment um from that
1:28:08moment on for, you you about, you know,
1:28:11we were dated for about 3 years.
1:28:14Um we broke up halfway through and then
1:28:15got back together.
1:28:16This is a real relationship.
1:28:17Yeah, and I was treated
1:28:19That's cool.
1:28:19by by people in the industry like I was
1:28:21this like floozy and I'm like
1:28:22Wow.
1:28:23Um back to what we were saying and sorry
1:28:25Henry, I didn't mean to go off on that.
1:28:27But it's funny though how typical
1:28:28fashion of Superman to hide his identity
1:28:30like you don't even know who he is. He's
1:28:32like
1:28:32No, but that speaks a lot to his
1:28:34character because
1:28:35see like Jessica Biel, right? I would
1:28:37love to see Jessica Biel do more. I'd
1:28:39love to see um
1:28:41more Blake Lively uh films, you know,
1:28:43and I think that sometimes when you're
1:28:44dating and or married to, you know, a
1:28:47powerful actor in uh Hollywood, you
1:28:49know,
1:28:49Did did you and Henry ever get close
1:28:51like serious serious like relationship
1:28:53marriage type of conversation or no? Um
1:28:55we were very serious and it was very
1:28:57much genuine. Um it wasn't uh it was
1:29:00just um
1:29:01I would say it was just a lot of
1:29:03youngness in me
1:29:06and him growing up and I grew up in the
1:29:08fight industry, he grew up in Hollywood
1:29:10and I think that you have to learn
1:29:13you know, you have to learn about life
1:29:15and responsibility and treating people
1:29:16correctly. Um so And and staying on this
1:29:20with with Henry, Henry one time said
1:29:24that um
1:29:26he was being asked about the Me Too
1:29:27movement. I don't know if you remember
1:29:28what he said. He says this whole this
1:29:30whole Me Too movement is is preventing
1:29:32men from courtship. Like what about me
1:29:35courting a girl? Is that now offensive?
1:29:37And the way he explained it, I don't
1:29:39know if you can find this or not. The
1:29:40way he explained it was so innocent
1:29:43where men could relate to like, yeah,
1:29:45bro, like what what there's a risk to
1:29:47court. There's Henry could be scared to
1:29:48flirt with women because he'll be called
1:29:51a rapist or something. I mean
1:29:52And that's and that's what they write up
1:29:53write up. That's what the journalists
1:29:54that pick out. When really he was being
1:29:56honest and it was something that all of
1:29:58these people can relate to. It's a all
1:30:01of these men can relate to. It's like
1:30:02they're afraid at this point in that Me
1:30:04Too movement to be forward and to be
1:30:06gentleman and and Henry is a gentleman.
1:30:08So uh it's it it's coming he's came from
1:30:11an innocent place and got completely
1:30:13smeared and then and now I I I see him
1:30:16be very quiet about stuff and it's like
1:30:18he's very sensitive.
1:30:19Can't blame him. You know.
1:30:20It was I like to think that I've never
1:30:22been like that Cavill remark before
1:30:23adding that it's only natural to
1:30:24question yourself when put in past under
1:30:26microscope. I think any human being
1:30:28alive today if someone cast too harsh a
1:30:30light on anything you could be like
1:30:32well, okay. Yeah, when you say it like
1:30:34that maybe
1:30:35some has to change. Absolutely. He also
1:30:37spoke about how it's important to retain
1:30:39the good things which were a quality of
1:30:41the past like chasing after women. Yeah,
1:30:43that's what I remember him saying in the
1:30:44interview. And keep going lower to see
1:30:46if he continues it. There's something
1:30:47wonderful about a man chasing a woman. I
1:30:49agree. There's a traditional approach to
1:30:51that which is nice. I think a woman
1:30:53should be wooed and chased.
1:30:54Yeah. But maybe I'm old-fashioned for
1:30:56thinking like that. It's very difficult
1:30:57to do that if there are certain rules in
1:30:59place because then it's like well, I
1:31:01don't want to go up and talk to her
1:31:02because I'm going to be called a rapist
1:31:04or something. So you're like forget it.
1:31:05I'm going to call an ex-girlfriend
1:31:07instead. And while interesting and just
1:31:09go back to a relationship which never
1:31:11really worked although he admitted
1:31:12putting himself in that situation wasn't
1:31:14ideal.
1:31:15It's way safer than casting myself into
1:31:17the fires of hell. I'm someone in the
1:31:19public eye and if I go and flirt with
1:31:21someone then who knows what's going to
1:31:23happen. Now now you really can't pursue
1:31:27someone further than no, it's like okay,
1:31:30cool. But then there's oh, why'd you
1:31:32give up? Oh, it's like well, because I
1:31:34didn't want to go to jail.
1:31:39By the way, was he was he a was he a MMA
1:31:42guy like would he grapple with did you
1:31:43guys grapple at all or was that not part
1:31:45of the relationship? I know you've joked
1:31:47and you've said you've compared
1:31:48grappling to sex and all that stuff when
1:31:50Oh, yeah.
1:31:51A long time ago. Yeah.
1:31:54Yeah, but but the what was a was he an
1:31:56MMA guy?
1:31:57No, he didn't do jiu-jitsu until after.
1:32:00And yes, of course.
1:32:01It's an awkward question, but I'm yeah.
1:32:02No, it's not. Um, I you know, we
1:32:04definitely grappled. We're both in
1:32:05stunts, you know, we both do our own
1:32:07stunts. He does his own stunts, and so
1:32:08of course we grappled. Um,
1:32:11of course.
1:32:13Well, listen, if you if you're a lady
1:32:14grappling with anybody, Henry Cavill's a
1:32:16pretty good guy to grapple with. So, I'm
1:32:18sure Gina, yourself being beautiful,
1:32:20that's it's a it's a
1:32:22Well, it's all fun and games until they
1:32:23start sweating too hard and they realize
1:32:25it's a little bit dangerous.
1:32:27And by by the way, staying on this point
1:32:28with the UFC side. Tom, did you want to
1:32:31say something about Henry or
1:32:32No, no, no, I I was just going to
1:32:33compliment him on my hair.
1:32:34a You have a question
1:32:35No, because I want to have him in your
1:32:36dungeon. No, no, but you know, I want to
1:32:38grapple with Superman, too.
1:32:39I'm not really
1:32:41I'm I'm not I don't really follow actors
1:32:43and like, you know, I like this actor,
1:32:45that actor, like, you know, I have those
1:32:47that I like and those that I appreciate
1:32:49them
1:32:49You were a big Kevin Spacey guy, no?
1:32:50Like from American Pie and
1:32:52Yeah, I had a lot of respect for Kevin
1:32:54Spacey's range and what he and House of
1:32:57Cards. Like, what do you mean range? The
1:32:58range that he can bring to the role.
1:33:00Like, Tom, you can't be saying range to
1:33:01this So, I'm sorry.
1:33:03No, um, not It's an appropriate I think
1:33:06that's like we got we're trying to keep
1:33:08There's no woman in the vault. Kevin
1:33:09Spacey I thought was phenomenal in
1:33:12American Beauty. Do you remember
1:33:13American Beauty? English is my fifth
1:33:15language.
1:33:17completely phenomenal and take him back
1:33:20from American Beauty to Verbal Kint in
1:33:23Usual Suspects and then go to House of
1:33:25Cards and tell me that is not like an
1:33:27actor's actor.
1:33:28Yeah, he's Henry was the same way and I
1:33:30appreciated him because he was a great
1:33:33Bond villain. As a matter of fact, he
1:33:35was such a good Bond villain that that
1:33:37kept him out of a role that I thought he
1:33:39could have played because he was he was
1:33:41a contender to be a next Bond.
1:33:43Wait, was No, was Henry a Bond villain?
1:33:47What? Was he, Tom?
1:33:48Well, he was a villain. Wait, was he was
1:33:50he I may have just blown that one up.
1:33:52Wait, no, he was No, he was in Mission
1:33:54Impossible. He was a bad guy in Mission
1:33:56Impossible. He was a great villain.
1:33:58That's that's interesting. Who would
1:33:59your guys' top three picks for Bond be?
1:34:02For for for the future? Yes.
1:34:05For the future. According to today's DI
1:34:06if you want DI times I would say Queen
1:34:08Latifah. I think
1:34:10No, no, no. I think uh uh if we want to
1:34:12go maybe
1:34:14uh
1:34:15or something like that.
1:34:16If you're asking I want a high DI score.
1:34:18Don't you want a high DI score to get
1:34:19funded? We got to get funded.
1:34:21A person of color I just fumbled that. I
1:34:23just fumbled that out. I was like Stevie
1:34:25Wonder cuz you have to be you have to
1:34:26have cuz the new DI thing is you have to
1:34:28have a disability, a person of color.
1:34:31Stevie Wonder. And he's
1:34:33he's just shooting every
1:34:34is for villain or who should play James
1:34:36Bond?
1:34:37James Bond and I want real answers.
1:34:38Okay, so I'll give you a real answer.
1:34:40Today
1:34:41Today to play James Bond
1:34:43Yes. Today Who would you cast?
1:34:46I could easily do Ryan Gosling. Easily.
1:34:49I can see him doing that because I've
1:34:51seen him in the one movie where he
1:34:53played in the movie where they're
1:34:56they're trying to catch the mobster.
1:34:57What's his name? Mickey Cohen? Is this
1:34:59the story with Sean Penn is in the movie
1:35:02and he's dating that one beautiful girl
1:35:05that she's the girlfriend of Mickey
1:35:07Cohen. What is the name of the Mickey
1:35:08gangster squad? I think Was he in
1:35:10Gangster Squad or no? If you can pull up
1:35:12the cast in Gangster Squad
1:35:13Did he have an accent then?
1:35:14Yeah, okay. So he gave me the vibes that
1:35:16I think he can play a James Bond. Let me
1:35:19see who else. Cavill could easily do it.
1:35:22Um you have to have that sarcasm.
1:35:24three. What what's your last one?
1:35:26Remember Bond you need sarcasm. That's
1:35:28like a crucial
1:35:28they have but they but they but they
1:35:30traditionally been from they're English.
1:35:32Correct?
1:35:33Mhm. Like I mean he'd have to put on an
1:35:34accent to be to be an English uh to
1:35:37Bond. But wow, that's a really
1:35:38saying this cuz I love this guy. I just
1:35:40freaking love the way he acts and
1:35:42I I don't know he has the look for it
1:35:44because he's got more to rugged look.
1:35:46Yeah. I prob I I don't know. I don't
1:35:48know if I put him I'm a diehard Jon
1:35:50Bernthal fan, but I'm not going to put
1:35:51that one in there. I I really want to
1:35:53give you sincere feedback on Bond.
1:35:56Today
1:35:58He was a finalist. Henry was one of the
1:35:59I would put I would put Henry I would I
1:36:01I would definitely put Henry in the top
1:36:03three. Okay, and then his other favorite
1:36:04sure. Um who's the other English actor?
1:36:08Um
1:36:08Who he was in um
1:36:10He He was like he had multiple
1:36:12personality syndrome throughout the
1:36:13whole movie. Switch or Split?
1:36:14yeah. Christian Bale could do it with
1:36:16his eyes closed. I think Bale could pull
1:36:18it off.
1:36:19Let me find out um I'll find out the
1:36:20name of the guy. He's a freaking
1:36:21phenomenal actor.
1:36:22McConaughey at all. What do you think,
1:36:24Tom?
1:36:25Well, I I look at it and you know, I I I
1:36:30screwed up what I said earlier. Henry
1:36:31was an amazing villain in Mission
1:36:33Impossible and people thought he was too
1:36:35villainous to be the virtuous Bond that
1:36:38his his characters and the things he had
1:36:40done maybe weren't quite there and that
1:36:42he lacked the the British sarcasm that
1:36:45is needed for Bond.
1:36:46what do you think?
1:36:47Which he does not So, I I have a hard
1:36:49time with it. You know, I agree with you
1:36:51Ryan Gosling, but it's like the last one
1:36:55it's like they they kind of pull him out
1:36:56of the hat. I mean, who was Roger Moore
1:36:58back in the day before he was James
1:37:00Bond?
1:37:00Right.
1:37:01Pierce Brosnan was doing Remington
1:37:03Steele on TV.
1:37:04They pulled him out
1:37:05How many up and coming maybe?
1:37:06You know who else could do it? He He
1:37:07could do it as well. I can see Tom Hardy
1:37:10doing James Bond.
1:37:11Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:37:12see him doing it. Okay, my three
1:37:14My three would be yeah, gosh, it's a
1:37:16it's a toss-up between
1:37:18So, I do think Henry would be amazing.
1:37:21Um I think
1:37:22Idris Elba would be incredible. Monster.
1:37:24I mean, he's such an
1:37:26beautiful actor and I think uh
1:37:30you know, I could see him pulling that
1:37:31off. Um and then
1:37:34um I I would kind of be with Tom on
1:37:36leaving it up to maybe a new up and
1:37:39coming
1:37:40person, younger maybe, who can just own
1:37:43the role and make it his own. Which
1:37:46there are a lot of amazing maybe one of
1:37:48those Dune Dune actors. Interesting.
1:37:51Yeah. But it's got to be the right it's
1:37:53got to be the right chemistry.
1:37:54I don't know what Casino Royale was a
1:37:56bit of a remake, but remember we all
1:37:58doubted a blonde James Bond and he's not
1:38:00really this or that. And then Casino
1:38:02Royale Royale came out the remake and
1:38:04you're like, "Holy smokes."
1:38:05Listen, I don't know about you guys Pat
1:38:07Nail with the DI like all you got you
1:38:09guys I think since we're trying to go
1:38:11it's woke like a Dylan Mulvaney hear me
1:38:15out and just he's just like 007. It's
1:38:18just instead of the Martinis he's just
1:38:19like I just a Bud Light. What do you
1:38:21think Rob? No?
1:38:22No, he would want the double 07.
1:38:24Yeah, yeah, exactly. Shaken or nuts
1:38:26sure. No, for sure.
1:38:28I'm allergic. What about James McAvoy?
1:38:30He's the guy from from Split.
1:38:33You know you know who Rob just sent
1:38:35which I'm a big fan of Colin Farrell?
1:38:37Oh, wow. Colin Farrell did the Penguin
1:38:39right in Batman. Colin Farrell's been he
1:38:41was in Tigerland a movie most people
1:38:43haven't seen. Great hair. Uh uh uh
1:38:46I'm just I'm a big fan of Colin Farrell
1:38:48as well. He's a little too old. You
1:38:50know, you need you need you need to be
1:38:5140 because you're going to put Oh, yeah.
1:38:53That's what's his name?
1:38:55Sharp guy that just played Elvis. Um
1:38:58what is the guy's name?
1:38:59He's in Dune.
1:39:01Uh
1:39:02Yeah, Austin Butler. Austin Butler man,
1:39:05that that guy like is incredible. And
1:39:08there there's a couple scroll up to see
1:39:10the rest of the cast of the Dune. I'm
1:39:11I'm super excited about Dune by the Oh,
1:39:13me too. Me both.
1:39:14I'm I loved the first one. Ridiculous.
1:39:16I'm going to be obsessed with the second
1:39:18one I already know it. Um
1:39:20When's it come out?
1:39:20There's a couple Oh, uh Timmy Timothy
1:39:23Chalamet. No, I can't see him as a He's
1:39:25a little young.
1:39:26Um How old is Austin Butler? 23 probably
1:39:2925. He's super young. He's not a
1:39:33uh uh No, he's 32. Okay. Well, he looks
1:39:3523 25.
1:39:36about perfect because You want to start
1:39:39a whole new Cuz you got to go
1:39:41No, no, they want No, no, they want it
1:39:43for three movies. Look at Daniel Craig.
1:39:44I mean Daniel cut that when Bond turns
1:39:4645, you're you're done being Bond,
1:39:49right? Because you got to have the tone,
1:39:50you got to have the
1:39:51body. I mean, we've we've got
1:39:54now, you know, graphics and everything
1:39:56that Although I got to say, I don't know
1:39:58if it's just me getting older, but I
1:39:59find, you know, I find that women and
1:40:02men, and it probably is me getting
1:40:04older, they're getting sexier as they
1:40:06get older. I used to tell Henry like,
1:40:08you know, while he was like struggling
1:40:10with some stuff. I was like, "Listen,
1:40:12you wait till you're 40 and your your
1:40:14your career is going to, you know,
1:40:16explode because for some reason in this
1:40:18business, you know,
1:40:19you need to put in your time,
1:40:22see that, you know, show everybody that
1:40:23you can handle it, and then I had
1:40:25another British actor friend of mine
1:40:28who was like, you know, having trouble
1:40:30getting auditions and everything, and I
1:40:31was like, "Grow out your gray hair. Grow
1:40:33out your hair. You need to show your
1:40:35human side." And sure enough, he nailed
1:40:37the role and got it. And they said, "We
1:40:39really like your gray."
1:40:41Cool. So, you think we get sexier as we
1:40:43get older? I actually I I feel like
1:40:45Tom, grow out that white beard. That's
1:40:47why I'm my white hair. Thank god my wife
1:40:49feels that way.
1:40:51Yeah, so but by the way, talking about
1:40:53MMA, UFC, so Oh, were we?
1:40:56Well, now now going away, transitioning
1:40:59to a different topic. But
1:41:01you your first I think you had the first
1:41:04female live fight on Showtime. Was
1:41:07yours, right? You came out the gates. I
1:41:09think your first six fights, like you
1:41:12almost lost and you you would not It was
1:41:15relentless the way It was so
1:41:16entertaining watching you fight. Crazy,
1:41:17right? The way you would fight. And you
1:41:20you had the punch, you had the kick, but
1:41:22when they got you to the ground, you'd
1:41:23get up, you'd get out of it. Submission,
1:41:25you were able to do a lot of it. It was
1:41:26It was very a lot of fun watching you
1:41:28first. I attribute that to gymnastics.
1:41:32Yeah. Yeah, put your kids in gymnastics.
1:41:34Gymnastics teaches you so much about
1:41:37controlling every part of your body.
1:41:40Gymnastics and MMA, really? Well, I did
1:41:42that when I was younger. So, I had tap,
1:41:45jazz, and ballet, and gymnastics when I
1:41:47was younger. And then I got into sports,
1:41:49but I believe gymnastics gave me the
1:41:51full body awareness and function of how
1:41:54every muscle works. Is that more to
1:41:57flexibility? So, when you're you're
1:41:59cornered and you're pinned, where the
1:42:01average person may feel severe pain, you
1:42:03may not because your body is flexible or
1:42:05no, that's got nothing to do with it?
1:42:06No, but I mean I'm
1:42:08like you're going to scramble out of
1:42:10certain you know, if your if your mind
1:42:12is creative, which gymnastics has you be
1:42:15creative.
1:42:17You're going to scramble and be able to
1:42:18get out of those bad situations. And
1:42:20also, you know, you can't teach heart,
1:42:22really. And so, it's like something is a
1:42:24part of you. I saw that with you when
1:42:25you were fighting with It's definitely
1:42:26like it's in there, you know.
1:42:28That's cool. Now, so I mean, you know,
1:42:30in bodybuilding, Arnold they used to
1:42:32take ballet lessons because it would be
1:42:34it would be when you would pose. So, it
1:42:36was kind of body would fun laugh at him
1:42:37and like, "No, later on everybody
1:42:39started doing it because
1:42:41there was a back in the days one guy who
1:42:43was an incredible
1:42:45poser.
1:42:45Beard the guy with the beard, what's his
1:42:46older guy?
1:42:47What is his name? It's not Franco
1:42:49Columbu. It's the guy prior to him. I
1:42:51think he passed away. Great Anyways,
1:42:54I'll think about his name. So, going
1:42:56back to it. So, first then you fight
1:42:58Cyborg. And then after Cyborg, and
1:43:00Cyborg at that time doesn't look like
1:43:01Cyborg, by the way. When you look at
1:43:03Cyborg with the fight with you, I almost
1:43:04couldn't recognize Yeah. her. And then
1:43:07Cyborg becomes Cyborg. But there was a
1:43:10moment where Ronda Rousey said her
1:43:12inspiration to become who she became was
1:43:15you. She you inspired Ronda Rousey. Am I
1:43:18saying that correctly?
1:43:19I
1:43:20you know, Ronda has
1:43:22you know, just been such respectful, you
1:43:25know, she was such a little talker
1:43:27all through her career, but the one
1:43:28person she didn't really talk was
1:43:30me, really.
1:43:31And she um, she really always did give
1:43:34me that attribute and, um,
1:43:36to have inspired, to not have even been,
1:43:39you know,
1:43:41made the walk in the UFC and gotten the
1:43:42fight, to have the person that did, you
1:43:45know, really break down those those
1:43:47barriers and, um, that is just, uh,
1:43:51it's very special to me and I think
1:43:52she's a very special person. I know.
1:43:54she gets a really bad, um, rap and she,
1:43:57you know, people like to paint her as
1:43:58the bad guy, but, um, For what, though?
1:44:01Just cuz she likes, she likes to play
1:44:02the heel. She doesn't mind being the
1:44:04heel, you know.
1:44:04love it.
1:44:05Yeah. I'm sure Dana loves it, you know,
1:44:07not I'm sure he loved it. He loved it.
1:44:09Yeah, and I, it's just certain people's
1:44:11personalities, you know. But I think
1:44:13when you look deeper at the person that
1:44:15she is, which I've, you know, I watch
1:44:16and I study people, I think it's a very
1:44:18special, special person.
1:44:20Was Is it true that Dana almost was
1:44:22trying to pull off a fight with the two
1:44:23of you guys having a big fight?
1:44:25Well, it's really funny because me and
1:44:26Dana had a conversation while I was
1:44:27fighting,
1:44:28uh, right before I fought Cyborg. Uh,
1:44:30you know, Dana had and Lorenzo Fertitta
1:44:32had me into their office and,
1:44:34um, basically they were like, you know,
1:44:36we'd like you to come over and be our,
1:44:38you know, first, uh, company's first
1:44:41female fighter.
1:44:42Um,
1:44:44and I just couldn't do that because I
1:44:47had my promises in my contract to
1:44:49Strikeforce. So, you couldn't leave. Um,
1:44:53no. And in that time, UFC, this is 15
1:44:56years ago. This is a while back.
1:44:57ago, yeah.
1:44:58Right. So, it wasn't like UFC was, uh,
1:45:00was massive yet. They were
1:45:01was no females, yeah.
1:45:02Right. And there was what, at that time
1:45:04was what, Pride, Strikeforce, UFC?
1:45:07UFC was pretty big at that time.
1:45:0815, Yeah, that, I mean, I think that was
1:45:10a
1:45:11basically the prime, like like in my
1:45:14opinion, the the old school prime, yeah.
1:45:16Got it. Yeah.
1:45:16Is So, that that would be what, Rampage?
1:45:18Is that, uh,
1:45:20Rashad Evans, Randy Couture,
1:45:22Yeah.
1:45:22Chuck, that's the that's the era, Tito,
1:45:25yeah. That was a that was a fun era, I
1:45:26don't disagree at
1:45:27was like those were times where and this
1:45:29is also relating to the movie industry
1:45:31it's where the people get to pick their
1:45:33champion. So, now it feels like, you
1:45:35know, what the studios doing is they're
1:45:37controlling, you know, they're
1:45:38controlling the media, they're
1:45:39controlling the critics, they're
1:45:40controlling everything and they're not
1:45:42letting the people pick Hey, I like Gina
1:45:45Carano.
1:45:46I like her. Let's build her and and that
1:45:48takes away from the art of the fun of,
1:45:50you know, and so it's like we want to
1:45:53root for someone. We want to as a public
1:45:56want to get together. We want to
1:45:58feel like we helped that girl become who
1:46:01she was because she, you know, we saw
1:46:03her and I think nowadays studios are
1:46:05like
1:46:06Nope, you know, we're going to tell you
1:46:07through the publicist who we're going to
1:46:09put you on your magazines, who we're
1:46:10going to promote, who we're going to
1:46:11interview, who's going to play by our
1:46:13rules and it's so manufactured and it
1:46:15takes away from art. So, so was was it
1:46:18close of you fighting Ronda or no, that
1:46:20wasn't really It was more just you going
1:46:23over. No, no, we definitely
1:46:26we definitely I just needed I needed 6
1:46:29months.
1:46:30Because, you know, first of all like
1:46:33weight cutting for me during that time,
1:46:35you know, I I would struggle because all
1:46:37of the women were in the 135, you know,
1:46:39weight division and I could get down to
1:46:41145, but there was only twice in my
1:46:43career that I got down to 136 and 139.
1:46:46And that is like chopping off a leg for
1:46:48me. It was so difficult, but that's
1:46:50where all of the women were at that time
1:46:52cuz there wasn't a lot of women.
1:46:54So,
1:46:55I sat down with Dana and I was like,
1:46:56well, I wish you guys would have
1:46:57approached me 5 years ago, you know,
1:46:59like I've been waiting for this and so I
1:47:01was like I just need some time and I
1:47:02need you to keep it quiet, Dana, you
1:47:04know, keep it really quiet so I can go
1:47:06and I didn't have a gym. I would have to
1:47:07go re-emerge myself into a gym.
1:47:10Which when I go into gyms people put
1:47:11cameras on me and
1:47:13you know, leak the stuff Yeah, and it's
1:47:15it's you have to find and build your
1:47:17team and I wasn't living in Las Vegas,
1:47:18which is where my team was.
1:47:20So, I was living in LA and it would have
1:47:21been hard I needed rebuild a team and
1:47:23you know, do it right. And so then, you
1:47:25know, Dana and I love him now.
1:47:29He's amazing. He's been amazing now, but
1:47:31then, you know, Dana's Dana. He was like
1:47:33out there like, you know, uh he
1:47:35immediately started talking about it and
1:47:37I it made my life very difficult to try
1:47:39to go into that. Um, but then
1:47:42but then what happens when you've got
1:47:44this other career going and you care
1:47:45about, you know, you know, you you
1:47:47really care about you acting and and
1:47:49continuing on the art because art will
1:47:51outlast fighting, right? Can't fight
1:47:54forever. That's true. So, I want to make
1:47:55sure I kept my art going. Then shows up
1:47:57Deadpool and then shows up, you know,
1:47:59another movie and so it is a very
1:48:01difficult thing to try to do both of
1:48:03those things at once. And um when I in
1:48:06my head I'm just so passionate about
1:48:08like the storytelling and
1:48:09um in the last couple years I've just
1:48:11been passionate about trying to get back
1:48:13into that, you know. You're you're cuz
1:48:15I'm when when Ronda fought Holly
1:48:18uh
1:48:18people underestimated Holly. But the
1:48:20people who knew fight game like when I
1:48:22would talk to people who are in that
1:48:23world, they're like, "Listen, do not
1:48:25underestimate
1:48:26Oh, I knew that was uh Holly.
1:48:28it. Yeah, she's a she's a beast, right?
1:48:30So
1:48:30I trained with Holly. Um I I lived in uh
1:48:32Albuquerque, New Mexico and I've never
1:48:34seen
1:48:35um
1:48:36a woman
1:48:38or possi No, actually, you know,
1:48:40my partner now is uh the the hardest
1:48:43worker I'll ever know. Um he's into Muay
1:48:45Thai and was one of like the first uh
1:48:47Muay Thai Kevin Ross and
1:48:50but uh second to hard workers, I'd say
1:48:52Holly Holly Holm.
1:48:53No joke.
1:48:54Like is the hardest worker.
1:48:56Interesting.
1:48:56Wow. She runs.
1:48:58She does all of the stuff. She's so
1:48:59disciplined. Um
1:49:02it's it was a beautiful thing to be
1:49:03around and um you know, it was it was
1:49:06really cool.
1:49:06If if your peak, your thoughts. I mean,
1:49:08you're you're you're somebody that you
1:49:10know, understands the fight game and and
1:49:12knows it.
1:49:13We're just fans.
1:49:14Your peak against Ronda's peak, who wins
1:49:17the fight?
1:49:18I do. You think so?
1:49:19Love her. Tell me why. Why do you think?
1:49:21Um
1:49:24cuz I pack a hell of a punch.
1:49:27She did too, though. No.
1:49:29No, Ronda Rousey was a choker. No, I
1:49:31mean I I I know I've had you know I know
1:49:33how she punches. Uh
1:49:36I punch like a trucker.
1:49:39I might have to get punched after this,
1:49:40but
1:49:41She She knocked me out. So, what area
1:49:44would she have the edge over you? The
1:49:46ground.
1:49:46Okay. Obviously. Um but I'm I'm you
1:49:49know, I'm scrambly. So,
1:49:52it's no disrespect and I'm sure she'd
1:49:53say the same thing. She would win.
1:49:56Um
1:49:57but I That's just something I know.
1:49:59That would have been a good
1:50:00Because I know like
1:50:01after you've been punched like that,
1:50:03right? After you've got
1:50:04She got shook twice. Amanda Nunes and
1:50:07Holly Holm.
1:50:08And um I believe
1:50:10you know, I think I uh
1:50:13I'm one of the hardest punchers that
1:50:15women's mixed martial arts has ever
1:50:16seen.
1:50:17By the way, go go So, how What about you
1:50:18against Holly or you against Amanda?
1:50:21Um those would be more interesting, I
1:50:23think. Uh with Holly it would be
1:50:26uh it would be more of you'd want to be
1:50:28in the best shape of your life and it
1:50:29would be more get her to the ground.
1:50:31But I also believe that um Muay Thai
1:50:34beats
1:50:35uh you know, kickboxing in every way.
1:50:38So, um she's more of a kickboxer and I
1:50:40feel uh
1:50:42uh but she does have the experience
1:50:44though. And so, there's you know, that
1:50:46would be a little bit more I think of an
1:50:47interesting fight. Um and Amanda Nunes,
1:50:50she's got that Cyborg energy and uh has
1:50:52been retired for a while, but
1:50:55yeah, I don't
1:50:56I don't know. I mean
1:50:58that one would be difficult. That would
1:50:59be more
1:51:00She's a monster. When I watch her fight,
1:51:02you kind of like holy She comes
1:51:05in.
1:51:05She's crazy. She's She's almost like
1:51:06that smile is intimidating. But then
1:51:08Who's the Who's the Mexican Who's Who's
1:51:10the one she fought and she lost Well,
1:51:12she just wouldn't give up.
1:51:13Cortez.
1:51:13Cortez, yeah, that's right. Yeah, and
1:51:15she was interesting to watch.
1:51:16Um, which was awesome, right?
1:51:17Yeah, she was the underdog there.
1:51:19Super, like nobody thought she stood a
1:51:20chance, but
1:51:21love that.
1:51:22Yeah. Oh, no, no, it wasn't a
1:51:23Not this one. This is not the one. You
1:51:24would know Just type in type in Nunes
1:51:27Cortez. That's all you got to do.
1:51:28Cortez Nunes has just got loss.
1:51:30Or maybe it's Her loss was against who?
1:51:32Maybe it's not Cortez Cortez.
1:51:34Go to images, Rob.
1:51:36Go to images. That fight was really
1:51:38awesome. That that that one surprised
1:51:40me. Just type in who Just type in Nunes
1:51:42and go to Wikipedia and you'll see who
1:51:44she lost to.
1:51:45Amanda.
1:51:47Uh, regardless while we have this
1:51:48moment, um, I love all of these women. I
1:51:51think they're incredible and, you know,
1:51:53it's easy to sit here from a microphone
1:51:55and say I would and I wouldn't. Um, but
1:51:58you know, I do I I do want to give you
1:52:00guys that
1:52:01Juliana Peña.
1:52:01That honest opinion. I personally would
1:52:02have my money I I'm being real cuz I
1:52:04mean I I I watched Ronda from when she
1:52:06started to She, like you said, she was
1:52:08more of a judo Was her her
1:52:10discipline. She didn't She never really
1:52:12boxed and she never really, you know,
1:52:13used her hands and I mean Holly Holm was
1:52:15that match where Holly kept her away
1:52:17from her and was, you know, kicking and
1:52:18punching, but I didn't I I think you'd
1:52:20have the edge if it came down to you and
1:52:22that's
1:52:23It it would be
1:52:24very fun.
1:52:24It would be It'd be pretty difficult if
1:52:26it went to the ground, which it could,
1:52:28um, with uh
1:52:30Oh, yeah, she's like a
1:52:31octopus. She was just trying to grab
1:52:33people and grab them.
1:52:34like but you can you can obviously see
1:52:36that you can stay away from going on the
1:52:37ground with her. And then with, um,
1:52:39Holly it would be, um, very tough cuz
1:52:42she's also a boxer. Be tough standing, I
1:52:44think a lot I think she's done a lot of
1:52:46practice with wrestling and jiu-jitsu,
1:52:47so it'd be This makes sense because you
1:52:50the controversy with the Ronda fight
1:52:52against Holly was that the coach got
1:52:55criticized for making her believe that
1:52:57she could beat him beat her standing up
1:53:00rather than taking it to the ground. I
1:53:01think it was an Armenian or somebody
1:53:03that was involved in it that was some
1:53:04controversy involved in it.
1:53:05I had some inside stuff, too, and this
1:53:07might have been it but somebody went up
1:53:08to me another comedian. I don't want to
1:53:10say his name but he knows who he is. He
1:53:12went up to me he goes Vinny bet and he's
1:53:13never talked about gambling. He goes bet
1:53:15the house on Holly Holm. I was like how
1:53:17do you know? Honestly Gina he goes she's
1:53:19fighting with her boyfriend. He goes
1:53:20they've been in a fight. This guy's into
1:53:22the whole he knows all the UFC people.
1:53:23He goes they're they're arguing they're
1:53:25fighting she's miserable she hasn't
1:53:26slept and trained. And I go yeah yeah
1:53:28yeah yeah. And we were watching it
1:53:29together she kicked her in the face and
1:53:30he goes I told you so and I was like
1:53:32damn it.
1:53:33Who do you like today? Who do you like
1:53:34today? From from the men's side. Who do
1:53:35you like today? Gosh I was really
1:53:38happy for Brandon Vera
1:53:41the other night. It was awesome to see
1:53:42him. He's been through a lot. Um
1:53:46You know I've actually really been into
1:53:47the One Championship
1:53:49Muay Thai and MMA fights a lot and I
1:53:52think that they have some of the best
1:53:54most quality fighters that are you know
1:53:56actually worldwide. And so if One
1:53:58Championship were to you know bring
1:54:00their promotion here um
1:54:03you know that would be really
1:54:03interesting. My first love is Muay Thai.
1:54:06So like Kevin Ross who is my partner
1:54:10was one of the first American
1:54:13you know uh
1:54:15I guess legends that you'd say that made
1:54:17it popular. Um
1:54:19and
1:54:19Yeah there he is. He's He's at home
1:54:22right now taking care of the chickens
1:54:24and the
1:54:26And and the country has just made him
1:54:28look that much better. He retired.
1:54:29pregnant horse. And the pregnant horse.
1:54:31Yeah we have a pregnant horse. I was
1:54:32like you know something's having not me.
1:54:35But someone's having someone's having a
1:54:37baby on this property. Gina who who
1:54:38would you say is the the number one the
1:54:41top male UFC fighter of all time? Who
1:54:44would you have to if you had to pick one
1:54:45who would be your number
1:54:47one that you got like you have to hey we
1:54:49were picking bonds bond people who would
1:54:51be
1:54:51Well I I might be the wrong person to
1:54:53ask that.
1:54:55Why? Because I'm more of like a if you I
1:54:57don't care if a fighter loses or wins.
1:55:00Yeah. Um I follow I like the people's
1:55:02champ. I like the people that uh that
1:55:05know how to win the crowd
1:55:07and those are the people like the Diaz
1:55:09brothers. I feel like they always win a
1:55:11win the crowd. Yeah. Um Are you Conor?
1:55:14Are you Conor McGregor?
1:55:15a Masvidal guy? Um, yeah. He was the
1:55:18crowd. Yeah, I love anybody who wins the
1:55:20crowd. I think Conor has
1:55:22he's incredible. I mean, we we I love
1:55:24big personalities like that that that
1:55:27shake the room, you know, and so I feel
1:55:29like he wins the crowd and when he
1:55:31doesn't feel like he's winning, he's
1:55:32going to disappoint the crowd and he's
1:55:33going to make you feel it and it's going
1:55:35to like take away from the people's
1:55:36champ. Yeah, so he's got a very
1:55:37beautiful talent there. Donald Cerrone
1:55:39is incredible. I worked with him. Um,
1:55:41he's like a big brother that never stops
1:55:43like poking you. But um Interesting. But
1:55:46an incredible actor by the way. We put
1:55:47him in Terror in the Prairie and um
1:55:49it's a, you know, Randy Couture Randy
1:55:52Couture is a legend and a beautiful
1:55:55person. So, there's just so many that I
1:55:57personally worked with.
1:55:59Well, Gina, this has been a blast. Uh,
1:56:01can you tell the audience if there's
1:56:03anything you're currently working on or
1:56:05anything that you that they can follow
1:56:07you on?
1:56:08Uh, uh,
1:56:09be great for them to know so they can
1:56:11support. Yeah, I um
1:56:13well, I'd first love to thank you all
1:56:16for your support already because had
1:56:18that support not happened, I wouldn't be
1:56:20sitting here. I would still be in the
1:56:21desert. So, I've got a fighting chance
1:56:23here and I support and that came from
1:56:26the support of so many for so long
1:56:28around the world.
1:56:30Um, so that's what I appreciate. Um,
1:56:32what I'm working on right now is I have
1:56:35um
1:56:35kind of revamped and cleaned out my team
1:56:38and I've got a a new manager I'll
1:56:40announce who was a producer and now he's
1:56:43um taking me on as his first client. So,
1:56:47I have a
1:56:48I'm building up this new team who have
1:56:51um existing, you know, properties but
1:56:53also um things that I am creating. And
1:56:56so,
1:56:57um I want to give somebody to some
1:56:59something to I want to give you all
1:57:01something to root for. Um it's been
1:57:04it's been a a tough couple years trying
1:57:05to get this monkey off of my back. And
1:57:07so I feel
1:57:08I'm at the start of that. And
1:57:10I'm so excited to keep creating cuz I
1:57:13think that um
1:57:15I'm just going to surprise I'm going to
1:57:17surprise the world in ways that I
1:57:18already have. And I look forward to
1:57:20doing that. I love it, Rob. If we can
1:57:22put anything to direct social or
1:57:24website, whatever may be, so the
1:57:26audience can go follow and
1:57:28uh we're here to support you. We're
1:57:30excited to see what happens next. What a
1:57:32wonderful story. What a great soul you
1:57:35are. And you got fans here. You got fans
1:57:38here. So again, thank you so much for
1:57:39coming out.
1:57:40Gang
1:57:41uh tomorrow we will have a podcast with
1:57:43Eric Prince that will come out first
1:57:45thing in the morning. And then we will
1:57:47do this again next week. Take care
1:57:48everybody. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

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