Disgraced Lawyer Alex Murdaugh Testifies in Family Murders Trial — Part Two — Transcript

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1. 0:01foreign
2. 0:09[Music]
3. 0:10you've talked about going to
4. 0:14Paul's body and Maggie's body you recall
5. 0:18getting
6. 0:19blood on on you on your hands or any
7. 0:22part of you
8. 0:24yes okay do you know what whose blood
9. 0:28you would have gotten on you
10. 0:30I know I got blood on my
11. 0:33fingertips
12. 0:35um
13. 0:40can you differentiate you know whether
14. 0:41it was Maggie or Paul
15. 0:44it's probably both
16. 0:47um
17. 0:48except for so much blood
18. 0:54they're um
19. 0:56turns out there was a drop of blood on
20. 0:58the steering wheel the Suburban do you
21. 1:00know how that got there
22. 1:02um I mean if it was fresh I put it there
23. 1:07if it was not fresh I mean Maggie drove
24. 1:10my car all the time but I I assume it
25. 1:13got there from me touching Maggie and
26. 1:16then and then touching the steering
27. 1:18wheel that night
28. 1:19and then I think maybe they're possibly
29. 1:23blood on this gun maybe not I mean it
30. 1:28do you know if you got transferred blood
31. 1:30on anything else if Maggie's blood's on
32. 1:34that gun then I I put it there I mean
33. 1:37Maggie
34. 1:38I mean Maggie didn't really fooled with
35. 1:40guns other than put them up
36. 1:43there's um did you submit to a GSR
37. 1:47examination that night yeah that's what
38. 1:50I was talking about earlier and that
39. 1:52Brian wanted to testified about
40. 1:55where your hands were swapped that's
41. 1:57right and then you're
42. 1:59your clothes were collected by
43. 2:01I don't say to no one or someone else
44. 2:04that's correct
45. 2:06and um
46. 2:08and
47. 2:09turns out there's some GSR on your shirt
48. 2:12and on your shorts and
49. 2:14um did you handle this gun
50. 2:16this this is uh yes
51. 2:19this is item 22 that yes I had I
52. 2:22basically had that gun with me until I
53. 2:24put it up against my car
54. 2:26um when when the um
55. 2:29police officer I think it was Mr Green
56. 2:31got there I put it against my car
57. 2:35we're and I think Nolan had testified
58. 2:39that
59. 2:40this is you know one of the shotguns
60. 2:42Paul like to use it is we'll see
61. 2:44meticulous about cleaning his guns Papa
62. 2:48yeah no
63. 2:50now when he cleaned it he was meticulous
64. 2:53about it but
65. 2:55it was far and few between when he
66. 2:57actually cleaned them
67. 3:07you're um
68. 3:10your shirt was
69. 3:14went through testing and analysis and
70. 3:17you were part of this case provided
71. 3:20results of that were you not
72. 3:22yes sir
73. 3:25I mean I wouldn't provide it at the time
74. 3:26I've seen them
75. 3:28right getting seen all these records
76. 3:36you um
77. 3:39well just let me ask you did you get on
78. 3:41your shirt
79. 3:44High Velocity blood spider from being
80. 3:46within a distance of a shooting Maggie
81. 3:49or Paul
82. 3:50there's no way that I had high velocity
83. 3:53blood spatter on me
84. 3:57had you seen reports that said that at
85. 3:59one point in time I have seen reports
86. 4:01that said that
87. 4:04just to be clear were you anywhere in
88. 4:07the vicinity when Paul and Maggie were
89. 4:08shot
90. 4:09I was nowhere near
91. 4:11Paul and Maggie when they got shot
92. 4:23after sled collected uh your clothing
93. 4:26that night at
94. 4:28the main Residence at Mozelle did
95. 4:31you remember changing in remember what
96. 4:34you changed into
97. 4:37do I remember yeah yeah I know I changed
98. 4:40clothes and I I've learned since then
99. 4:43what I had on but I don't you don't
100. 4:46remember okay I don't remember that at
101. 4:48all
102. 4:51but I understand I had on athletic
103. 4:53shorts and a t-shirt sure
104. 4:56um and other people have talked about
105. 4:58this I'm not going to repeat it but did
106. 5:00um where did you spend the night or
107. 5:03where did you go to after leaving
108. 5:05Moselle
109. 5:06um
110. 5:07when
111. 5:09when you left for the evening we went to
112. 5:12Almeda too we went to my mom and dad's
113. 5:15house and we stayed there and who went
114. 5:17with you
115. 5:19um I believe that bus in Brooklyn
116. 5:23and I rode together
117. 5:26John Marvin might have been with us
118. 5:28I know John Marvin stayed at Almeda with
119. 5:31us I just don't know if he rode in the
120. 5:33same car we rode in
121. 5:35but I know I wrote with Buster in
122. 5:37Brooklyn I know that for a fact
123. 5:40and uh the next morning
124. 5:42um
125. 5:43what'd you do
126. 5:45and I we're talking about daylight hours
127. 5:47on June the 8th what what did you do and
128. 5:50we basically got up and came back to
129. 5:52Moselle
130. 5:53do you remember roughly what time you
131. 5:55got to Mozelle I don't remember
132. 6:00no I don't remember what time you know
133. 6:03there's things I remember about that
134. 6:05morning but I don't remember exactly
135. 6:06what time we left and and Alec we'll get
136. 6:08to this more detail but
137. 6:11during that period of time
138. 6:14is it hard to remember
139. 6:17times what time things started and stop
140. 6:20and how long things took
141. 6:23I mean it's definitely hard to remember
142. 6:24now looking at these timelines and all
143. 6:27these records
144. 6:28I mean it it sure helps but to to
145. 6:33just do it off the top of my head is
146. 6:34very difficult
147. 6:36and we'll get to more of that um
148. 6:43when you went back to Moselle
149. 6:45on the morning of
150. 6:48June the 8th did you um do you know
151. 6:51whether you took a shower there or took
152. 6:53a shower Almeda or took a shower at all
153. 6:55now I know we took a shower at Moselle
154. 6:58but
155. 6:59I did not take a shower before I left
156. 7:01Almeda we basically got up and went to
157. 7:04um Moselle Maggie's mom and dad
158. 7:10they were there they were coming
159. 7:16tell them
160. 7:17see them
161. 7:20we gotta we got up from out meet and we
162. 7:23left and we went to Moselle
163. 7:28and you
164. 7:31and do you know
165. 7:34do you even recall sled coming in and
166. 7:37searching the house
167. 7:38for anything
168. 7:40on the eight
169. 7:43I knew that um I mean I knew they were
170. 7:45doing it yeah
171. 7:46um
172. 7:49I knew they would I knew they were doing
173. 7:51it
174. 7:53but I I don't remember I wasn't out in
175. 7:56that gun room and I'll see all that
176. 7:57video and all that but I knew sled yeah
177. 7:59and was coming in there I mean we made
178. 8:02I mean we
179. 8:04we made the house available for them to
180. 8:06come in there
181. 8:08so I mean I
182. 8:09can't tell you details but yeah I
183. 8:12remember it did
184. 8:14you at one point just tell sleigh that
185. 8:16the cart belongs to search anywhere
186. 8:18anytime I told sled they could do
187. 8:20anything anywhere anytime that they
188. 8:23wanted to
189. 8:25anything to do with me my property my
190. 8:28cars even though I didn't own the cars I
191. 8:31would get my Law Firm on the cars I
192. 8:33would have the people they had full
193. 8:37whatever they wanted
194. 8:39they were welcome too
195. 8:43and uh
196. 8:46did you have any discussions with
197. 8:49David Owen or anybody that's LED about
198. 8:51concerning the General Motors to get
199. 8:54that off the car
200. 8:56every time that I talk to David Owens I
201. 8:59would ask him about getting OnStar data
202. 9:02and GPS data from phones
203. 9:06and why was it important to you to get
204. 9:07OnStar data and GPS data from the phone
205. 9:10to confirm where I was saying I went
206. 9:14what I did GPS
207. 9:17you know at that point in time I knew
208. 9:19that Maggie's phone
209. 9:21have been taken
210. 9:24and I knew
211. 9:27that my Suburban
212. 9:29in my phone
213. 9:30and Maggie Sloan never crossed paths
214. 9:36and that was extremely important to me
215. 9:39and I asked him about it every single
216. 9:41time we talk
217. 9:42every single time
218. 9:45and um
219. 9:48speaking of magnitude
220. 9:53did you know her password to her phone
221. 9:56yes I knew her password
222. 9:58do you know her password to her computer
223. 10:00yes does she know your password
224. 10:03yes
225. 10:05and when
226. 10:07Maggie's phone was located
227. 10:09um
228. 10:10on the side of the road did did you
229. 10:12provide sled the password to her phone I
230. 10:15did
231. 10:18I think I actually provided it to John
232. 10:21Marvin Who provided it to celeb but
233. 10:24I'm the one who gave it to him run
234. 10:30and
235. 10:35your knowledge that Maggie's
236. 10:39have these location services on her
237. 10:41phone she use them frequently
238. 10:43all the time one of Maggie's things that
239. 10:47she liked to do
240. 10:48was
241. 10:51there's an app called find my friends
242. 10:53that you can see what other people are
243. 10:56doing and they can see what you're doing
244. 10:58Maggie loved
245. 11:01me bus Papa Brooklyn
246. 11:07um Grandma Papa t Marion
247. 11:12the three girls
248. 11:14uh
249. 11:16Lizzy
250. 11:18and there were a few others but the
251. 11:19people that were closest to her she had
252. 11:21them all in her phone and she loved to
253. 11:24to look at that phone and see where
254. 11:26people are and she'd love to surprise
255. 11:28you like let's say you're at um
256. 11:31Walmart she looks on there and and she'd
257. 11:34love to text you and get me a TV from
258. 11:36Walmart or something you know like she
259. 11:39she followed you and see where you were
260. 11:41she used it all the time
261. 11:44and so you know I just knew that there
262. 11:48would be GPS data
263. 11:51on Maggie's phone
264. 11:54Alex when you're being interviewed on
265. 11:56the night of June 7th
266. 12:00and again on June the 10th
267. 12:04what was your understanding standing as
268. 12:06to why they they were interviewing you
269. 12:09why were you being interviewed on June
270. 12:117th and June the 10th yes sir
271. 12:17foreign
272. 12:18again
273. 12:20what is his understanding of why sled
274. 12:22was interviewing him on the night of
275. 12:24June the 7th and again on June the 10th
276. 12:28and the basis for the objection
277. 12:31401 and 402 you're on
278. 12:34what do you mean
279. 12:35uh relics your honor his understanding
280. 12:37is is not important what he said is
281. 12:39important
282. 12:40response
283. 12:44well I can
284. 12:46he goes to his
285. 12:50his father he goes to his state of mind
286. 12:53that's what it goes to
287. 12:55that's not sustained
288. 12:58did um
289. 13:03why wasn't it why was it important to
290. 13:05you to be able to get data from the
291. 13:07Suburban data from your phone and data
292. 13:10from Maggie's phone I knew at that point
293. 13:13in time I knew since I was the person
294. 13:15who found
295. 13:17pop all the mags
296. 13:19that
297. 13:21I was
298. 13:22a suspect I mean they kept talking about
299. 13:25this circle
300. 13:26um but
301. 13:28I mean I knew that it was very important
302. 13:30for me to find that to get that
303. 13:33and and what was your belief as to
304. 13:36that information what would it have done
305. 13:38for you
306. 13:40there's no question in that and it would
307. 13:42demonstrate
308. 13:44that I couldn't have done this
309. 13:49and when was the
310. 13:52data from General Motors off that
311. 13:55Suburban finally obtained
312. 14:03it was either this past Saturday or
313. 14:05Saturday before that according to what
314. 14:07uh
315. 14:09was sat in this courtroom during this
316. 14:11trial absolutely
317. 14:15and uh to your knowledge was
318. 14:20GPS data ever able to be located off
319. 14:23Maggie's phone
320. 14:25no no I mean not just to my knowledge it
321. 14:27was not able to be gotten
322. 14:29you know the testimony was in here that
323. 14:34it did it couldn't that it couldn't be
324. 14:36gotten it only went back to um
325. 14:38June the 9th everything before that was
326. 14:42erased
327. 14:45on Maggie's phone
328. 14:50now when um
329. 14:52starting
330. 14:53June the 8th
331. 14:55when
332. 14:56that
333. 14:58Mosely did a lot of people come to
334. 15:02support you be with you
335. 15:05on June the 8th
336. 15:07on June the 8th like the next day right
337. 15:09yes sir a lot of people
338. 15:12and and you mentioned your Maggie's
339. 15:15parents and
340. 15:16and family came as well
341. 15:19yes sir
342. 15:22um from
343. 15:24from that moment
344. 15:26June 8th when folks family came and
345. 15:32to
346. 15:35Moselle and you met with them were were
347. 15:38you left alone by any of your family
348. 15:40members
349. 15:41the rest of that week
350. 15:48no I mean I I was attached to Buster
351. 15:58at the hill
352. 16:02but I mean
353. 16:07and what happened I was
354. 16:10what happened on June the 10th
355. 16:14besides being interviewed by Celeste my
356. 16:17dad died
357. 16:22where did you stay
358. 16:25and with whom did you stay on the 9th of
359. 16:28June the 8th
360. 16:29the night of June the 9th the night of
361. 16:31June the 10th
362. 16:34on the night of June
363. 16:37asked me to start on the 8th the 8th yes
364. 16:39sir all right
365. 16:41starting on the eighth I stayed with
366. 16:44Buster every night I stayed with Buster
367. 16:46and as long as Brooklyn was there I
368. 16:47stayed with Buster in Brooklyn
369. 16:50um
370. 16:51but we stayed
371. 16:55with we
372. 16:57I'm pretty sure that's beginning on the
373. 16:598th I know the seventh we stayed at our
374. 17:01meeting and I believe on the 8th we
375. 17:03started staying at John Marvin in
376. 17:05Lizzy's
377. 17:06at Greenfield and how far how far is
378. 17:09Greenfield from Almeda that's the crow
379. 17:11flies
380. 17:12I mean it's no distance it's less than
381. 17:14five minutes it's probably a couple of
382. 17:16few minutes away
383. 17:18and and who stayed there did John Marvin
384. 17:21and his wife Liz stay there as well yes
385. 17:23John and Lizzy
386. 17:25um
387. 17:27all right John and Lizzy stayed there
388. 17:29and their kids bus in Brooklyn and I
389. 17:35um
390. 17:37I know Bubba and maymac stayed there
391. 17:39well Lizzy's mom and daddy stayed there
392. 17:44um
393. 17:47and
394. 17:50my daddy's best friend
395. 17:54and his wife came in there I believe
396. 17:57they came before my daddy passed I know
397. 17:59they came after he passed and stayed
398. 18:01there
399. 18:03and that
400. 18:06how many
401. 18:07nights do you recall staying there at
402. 18:10Greenfield
403. 18:12so I stayed at Greenfield I sent the
404. 18:15seventh was a Monday I stayed Tuesday
405. 18:17Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday and
406. 18:19Sunday at Greenfield I know that for a
407. 18:22fact
408. 18:23and the
409. 18:24Maggie and Paul's Funeral was Saturday
410. 18:27is that right now I heard that in this
411. 18:29courtroom say it was Saturday but
412. 18:34to the memorial Services no their
413. 18:36funeral was on Friday I was on Friday
414. 18:39I know that for a fact too
415. 18:43and then your father's funeral's on
416. 18:45Sunday my father's funeral was on Sunday
417. 18:47and
418. 18:48it was my it was my father's funeral
419. 18:54forget the term
420. 19:02but Sunday
421. 19:06I mean that's when
422. 19:08that's when we put up our
423. 19:11mags
424. 19:14some bread
425. 19:16you didn't bury him
426. 19:18when we had the service on Friday
427. 19:24because I don't think they were done
428. 19:28but that's when we buried them
429. 19:31along with my dad
430. 19:34on Sunday
431. 19:38and Alec what'd you do with the
432. 19:40following week that Monday Tuesday
433. 19:42Wednesday
434. 19:45um
435. 19:48starting to win now
436. 19:50so the day after your dad's funeral all
437. 19:52right Monday
438. 19:53um
439. 19:55I went to I went to um
440. 19:58Grandma and Papa T's
441. 20:00Somerville at some point Monday in the
442. 20:03afternoon you mean what did I do when I
443. 20:05got up that morning just yeah where did
444. 20:07you stay we stayed at we stayed at
445. 20:09Greenfield Sunday night so we woke up at
446. 20:12Greenfield on Monday
447. 20:14so and and Sunday night you were with
448. 20:16the same family members your brother and
449. 20:18Brooklyn and Buster and
450. 20:21that's right and Liz Lizzy and Lizzy's
451. 20:24mom and dad and I believe Donnie and
452. 20:27Paula were still there but I can't
453. 20:29remember when they left and then you
454. 20:31went to uh Somerville with whom and I
455. 20:36believe I went to Somerville by myself
456. 20:37but
457. 20:39um I know bust in in the car by myself I
458. 20:41can't remember Buster and I rode
459. 20:43together but I think we might have had
460. 20:45separate cars we probably we probably
461. 20:47did ride together that first day I don't
462. 20:49remember but I know I went to Somerville
463. 20:51and Buster was in Somerville with me
464. 20:53with grandma and papa t
465. 20:57and and Somerville is where Maggie's
466. 21:00parents live that's right that's um
467. 21:03Maggie's mom and dad his grandma
468. 21:05Maggie's mom his grandma the Maggie's
469. 21:07dad's Papa T and did you stay with them
470. 21:10for a few days
471. 21:11in Somerville
472. 21:13I stayed with him longer in Somerville
473. 21:15yeah I stayed with them
474. 21:17um
475. 21:18we stayed in Summerville Monday night
476. 21:20Tuesday night
477. 21:22Wednesday night
478. 21:25and then we went to
479. 21:28Greenville
480. 21:30okay
481. 21:33um
482. 21:35and and what was in Greenville
483. 21:40um
484. 21:44my niece
485. 21:47that was um
486. 21:52she was having a baby and
487. 21:55Maggie had just been
488. 22:01she's just been so excited
489. 22:05so
490. 22:09please
491. 22:11she's just so proud of those girls
492. 22:16she was so excited about the baby
493. 22:21and so the baby being born just came
494. 22:24such a
495. 22:26big deal to me
496. 22:30it was the baby born yeah
497. 22:33they were born
498. 22:36beautiful little baby girl
499. 22:38beautiful little mom
500. 22:48and then did you go up to the lake after
501. 22:50that we did well I mean we stayed
502. 22:55at this Lake
503. 22:57um kiwi that y'all heard about is really
504. 22:59close to Greenville and so when I say we
505. 23:01went to Greenville we really went to
506. 23:04Lake Keowee but we went up there because
507. 23:08you know and and
508. 23:11um when she had a baby
509. 23:15I I want to say the baby might have
510. 23:17gotten born shortly after we got there
511. 23:19like Thursday but it I think it was
512. 23:21Saturday before we could go and see them
513. 23:23and and see my niece and see the baby so
514. 23:27you know I mean that's where we went was
515. 23:29to Lake Keowee
516. 23:32but they live in Greenville
517. 23:44foreign
518. 23:47of June 16th I think that was a
519. 23:50Wednesday
520. 23:51I think that's a Wednesday
521. 23:52um
522. 23:54where'd you wake up Somerville did you
523. 23:57ever go to Almeda on that day
524. 24:00on Wednesday yes sir
525. 24:05I don't I don't believe so did you go to
526. 24:09Almeda at 6 30 in the morning
527. 24:11I know for a fact that I didn't go
528. 24:15to Alameda at 6 30 in the morning
529. 24:18I was in Somerville
530. 24:21did
531. 24:23I didn't go to Almeda at any point early
532. 24:26in the morning
533. 24:27[Music]
534. 24:30I was in Somerville and I'm not positive
535. 24:32about this but I know those I know I
536. 24:34know they did some I know some of those
537. 24:37records They have
538. 24:39it was sometime before I left Somerville
539. 24:41okay
540. 24:43did you um
541. 24:45did you ever take a during that week
542. 24:48let's just start with that that week
543. 24:50following your dad's funeral did you
544. 24:51ever take a tarp
545. 24:53into the house at Almeda
546. 24:56a tarp a blue tart the weak
547. 24:59following my dad's funeral yes no I did
548. 25:02not
549. 25:03[Music]
550. 25:08there's been um I don't know where it is
551. 25:12in any of these boxes but this this
552. 25:15blue rain jacket have you ever seen that
553. 25:17before never seen it before never
554. 25:19touched it and don't know anything about
555. 25:21it
556. 25:25did you um
557. 25:30did you ever remember taking a tarp at
558. 25:32any point in time over the house without
559. 25:34me no I don't remember it I don't
560. 25:36remember taking a talk over there but
561. 25:38you know I mean Shelley's got something
562. 25:40in her mind about that and there may
563. 25:43have been some point but I certainly
564. 25:45don't remember it and it certainly
565. 25:47wasn't
566. 25:50anytime
567. 25:52around my dad's funeral
568. 25:56or the week's following
569. 26:06I think we we talked
570. 26:11briefly about
571. 26:13um
572. 26:16about your recollection of times and and
573. 26:20I just want to play
574. 26:22um
575. 26:23Doug from
576. 26:26State's exhibit
577. 26:29517 which is the August 11th interview
578. 26:32starting at five minutes and 52 seconds
579. 26:35you could pull that clip up and
580. 26:40and I want you to listen to this now
581. 26:42okay
582. 26:43Tim tell me again what it is
583. 26:45August 11th interview it's okay five
584. 26:48minutes and 52 seconds all right
585. 27:01gonna go to five minutes and 52 seconds
586. 27:06foreign
587. 27:25[Music]
588. 27:33[Music]
589. 27:38uh we have been to a ball game that
590. 27:40weekend
591. 27:41um I don't remember exactly what time it
592. 27:44would have been uh
593. 27:50somewhere between 8 30 and 9 30 probably
594. 27:5310 o'clock maybe at the latest something
595. 27:57like that
596. 27:59Ali on this table were you being asked
597. 28:02when you went to work on the
598. 28:05on the Sabbath yes
599. 28:07and you said 8 30 to 9 30 in the morning
600. 28:11and then I think said 10 o'clock at the
601. 28:13latest is that correct no it wasn't
602. 28:16now I've seen all these records what
603. 28:18does it look like what time you went to
604. 28:19work on the
605. 28:21on the seventh a little afternoon
606. 28:26all right
607. 28:27um
608. 28:28if we'll go to the uh Doug States
609. 28:31exhibit 243.
610. 28:35which is the June 10 interview you know
611. 28:37Mr Griffin on that same date uh also if
612. 28:41you play that thing and I don't know if
613. 28:43it's right there but if you play that
614. 28:44further I also told him the best way to
615. 28:47see exactly when I went in that door is
616. 28:49to go and get my information from my law
617. 28:53firm
618. 28:54and I told them that they'll you know we
619. 28:56have a
620. 28:57you know how things are electronic now
621. 28:59where you don't have a key you have a
622. 29:01key card and um and you have a key card
623. 29:03in your wallet and so when you use it
624. 29:06it creates a
625. 29:08like all this other stuff a digital
626. 29:10footprint and I've told David Owens that
627. 29:13he could go get it from my office and
628. 29:15was that a common response of yours when
629. 29:18you're asking about specific times that
630. 29:20you would give them you know your best
631. 29:23estimate but you would Point them to
632. 29:25where they could find the most accurate
633. 29:26data
634. 29:27yes sir you did that more than once yes
635. 29:30sir
636. 29:33so um if we've got the June 10th
637. 29:36interview which is State's exhibit 243
638. 29:38and and Doug I'd like to go to nine
639. 29:40minutes and 59 seconds and here that
640. 29:43you're being asked when did Paul arrive
641. 29:46at Moselle
642. 29:49what time in the afternoon in
643. 29:56in broad daylight when we were it wasn't
644. 29:58dust dark or late okay you know and we
645. 30:01rode uh you know we just rode around we
646. 30:04wrote her up
647. 30:06so did you tell them on June 10th that
648. 30:09Paul got there
649. 30:10five o'clock for Tom Perry yes sir uh
650. 30:13yes sir I obviously did and was that
651. 30:15incorrect
652. 30:17yes sir it was incorrect okay
653. 30:20and what what time did you looking at
654. 30:22the records now what time did it look
655. 30:23like Paul actually got there
656. 30:27and looking at the records it's clear
657. 30:28that he got there sometime around seven
658. 30:30o'clock
659. 30:33because at some point in time you have a
660. 30:35conversation with Shelly Smith about
661. 30:38you know how long you were over at
662. 30:41Almeda on the night of June the 7th do
663. 30:44you remember you know I don't distinctly
664. 30:46remember having a conversation with her
665. 30:48about how long I was over there but I
666. 30:52know that I told Shelly Smith that
667. 30:56um sled was going to come and talk to
668. 30:58her and that I'd appreciate it if she
669. 31:01would talk to them
670. 31:03and that she just needed to tell him the
671. 31:05truth
672. 31:09and um
673. 31:10did you take extra care not to talk to
674. 31:14people that you knew celeb would be
675. 31:15talking to
676. 31:17absolutely and why is that
677. 31:20after this boat wreck that you've heard
678. 31:22so much talk about in this courtroom
679. 31:26that were
680. 31:28social media newspaper
681. 31:32um
682. 31:34I mean it went deeper than that but I
683. 31:37mean there were so many
684. 31:39so much talk about how I
685. 31:42you know fixed Witnesses and and
686. 31:46structured the investigation just things
687. 31:49that were totally false that were
688. 31:52absolutely baseless but it was said
689. 31:54repeatedly repeatedly and it was
690. 31:57reported repeatedly how I'd done this
691. 32:01and would this witness and influence
692. 32:03this police officer and
693. 32:05all these things
694. 32:07so I wasn't taking any chances
695. 32:13I want to um ask you about
696. 32:15you can take that down though thank you
697. 32:18ask you about the August August August
698. 32:2111th interview
699. 32:23um
700. 32:25with David Owen at
701. 32:28the sled office and I think here in
702. 32:32Walterboro do you remember that
703. 32:33August 11th absolutely
704. 32:36had you requested that meeting
705. 32:39I've been requesting
706. 32:41what I'd really been requesting is some
707. 32:44information I've been begging David
708. 32:46Owens to come meet with
709. 32:51me and specifically
710. 33:00I wanted
711. 33:04Grandma Papa t
712. 33:07there were so many questions that I
713. 33:09couldn't answer
714. 33:10and I've been begging him to meet with
715. 33:12me and to meet with grandma and papa t
716. 33:16I've been begging him
717. 33:18for weeks
718. 33:21and weeks
719. 33:25and did uh
720. 33:27we enter the meeting on August 11th did
721. 33:30you think that's what it was for to give
722. 33:32you an update
723. 33:34yes
724. 33:37and um
725. 33:40at the
726. 33:41conclusion of the meeting they let you
727. 33:43know that that you're their Prime
728. 33:45Suspect
729. 33:47Ed
730. 33:56Mr Griffin I'll rephrase it
731. 34:00at the
732. 34:02that by the conclusion of the meeting
733. 34:04did they make it known to you that that
734. 34:06you were
735. 34:08suspect
736. 34:10oh there's no question about that
737. 34:13absolutely now he used a lot of I mean
738. 34:16you hear it to talk about how
739. 34:18I'm in this circle and he can't get me
740. 34:20out and this and that but there's no
741. 34:23doubt in my mind
742. 34:25there was no question in my mind what
743. 34:27was going on
744. 34:29and the um
745. 34:32and during that meeting did they show
746. 34:34you the Snapchat Snapchat video of you
747. 34:40uh
748. 34:41trying to stand up the fruit tree
749. 34:44yes and were you questioned about what
750. 34:47clothing you were wearing and I can't
751. 34:49remember this I can't remember if he
752. 34:50showed me the whole video or he showed
753. 34:52me a picture of it
754. 34:54um but I was definitely showed that
755. 34:56information I was definitely showing
756. 34:57those clothes in that meeting on August
757. 35:00the 11th and and what clothes were you
758. 35:02wearing the same ones you see in
759. 35:05and do you remember what kind of pants
760. 35:08it was khaki pants and what kind of
761. 35:10shirt
762. 35:11it's a button-down
763. 35:15short sleeve button down I call it a
764. 35:18dress shirt but short sleeve button-down
765. 35:20dress shirt
766. 35:21like
767. 35:23like shirt you got there but just just
768. 35:24like this but short sleeve and it was
769. 35:26colored and what color was it blue
770. 35:29with some blue stripes
771. 35:31and where you question about
772. 35:33when you changed out of those clothes
773. 35:36I was
774. 35:40and um
775. 35:43did you have a follow-up did you have a
776. 35:45conversation after that meeting with
777. 35:46celeb with Blanca about
778. 35:48what you're wearing that day
779. 35:51absolutely and what was the purpose of
780. 35:53the conversation with Blanca well they
781. 35:55made an issue about that in that meeting
782. 35:58and
783. 35:59I
784. 36:01asked Blanca
785. 36:03about
786. 36:05those clothes that
787. 36:08that I had on earlier that day
788. 36:11do you ask her specifically about the
789. 36:13blue shirt I asked her specifically
790. 36:15about all the clothes okay what I asked
791. 36:18Blanc about specifically was did she
792. 36:21remember getting my clothes
793. 36:24after she came back
794. 36:26um when she came back to Moselle did she
795. 36:28remember getting my clothes it's
796. 36:31specifically what I asked her I see and
797. 36:35why were you asking her those questions
798. 36:36because on August the 11th they had made
799. 36:40an issue about me wearing
800. 36:43still wearing those clothes not having
801. 36:46changed clothes when I was in that
802. 36:48Snapchat video
803. 36:50that's why I went to Blanca
804. 36:53did they ever ask you on August 11th
805. 36:55whether um
806. 36:57I mean they ask you for those clothes
807. 36:59can you produce the clothes do they ask
808. 37:01you that no they did it have they ever
809. 37:03asked you for those clothes
810. 37:09no
811. 37:10as far as my understanding goes my
812. 37:13clothes were never an issue in this case
813. 37:15until y'all figured out
814. 37:19as my lawyers
815. 37:22figured out that there was no blood
816. 37:24spots
817. 37:26sir is that objection your honor
818. 37:30401 402 and Beyond in speculation
819. 37:36Mr Griffin it's a matter of public
820. 37:38record
821. 37:40it's a matter of public record what is
822. 37:43um the issues with the shirt and the
823. 37:45blood test it's a matter of public
824. 37:47records filed in this case
825. 37:51the objection's overall
826. 37:56I'm well aware that my clothes never
827. 37:59became an issue in this case until my
828. 38:02lawyers
829. 38:06proved
830. 38:08that this blood spatter that they said I
831. 38:10had on my shirt from my wife and my son
832. 38:15was a lie and that there was no blood on
833. 38:18my shirt
834. 38:20and once they filed the documents and
835. 38:23they proved that that was a lie all of a
836. 38:26sudden the clothes I was wearing back on
837. 38:28that day became an issue
838. 38:37and that's in the weeks
839. 38:39leading up to the stride
840. 38:43no
841. 38:46Alec after the
842. 38:49Maggie and Paul were murdered on June
843. 38:517th and 8th
844. 38:53okay
845. 38:54where did you stay and where did you
846. 38:56keep clothes
847. 38:58right
848. 38:59say that again please where were you
849. 39:01staying overnight let me ask you this
850. 39:03did you ever spend another night at
851. 39:05Moselle after June 7th never spent
852. 39:07another night at Mozelle why not
853. 39:22I could
854. 39:27they don't want to
855. 39:32do okay
856. 39:34where were you staying and we talked
857. 39:36about
858. 39:37the
859. 39:39the days and weeks the week afterwards
860. 39:41but where were you staying
861. 39:44when you got back from the lake kiwi and
862. 39:46Greenville
863. 39:51I stayed
864. 39:54all right so when I got back from
865. 39:55Greenville so that would be the all
866. 39:57right be
867. 39:59um
868. 40:00so the first week I've been doing my
869. 40:02dad's funeral then
870. 40:04all right so that'd be the second week
871. 40:06so after we I know bus and I
872. 40:09um I stayed with grandma and papa t as
873. 40:11much as I could
874. 40:13um
875. 40:15you know
876. 40:17um
877. 40:21I stayed with um
878. 40:27I stayed with my brother Randy a lot
879. 40:32um I stayed with my brother John a lot
880. 40:36um
881. 40:37bus and I stayed at Edisto a little bit
882. 40:42but at the beginning I stayed with I
883. 40:45really stayed with either my brother
884. 40:46Randy and his wife Christy or I stayed
885. 40:50with my brother
886. 40:52um
887. 40:53John and his wife Lizzy and basically at
888. 40:57that time Buster was doing
889. 40:59excuse me Russia was Buster was
890. 41:02especially worked for Wild Wing at that
891. 41:05time and they've been so kind to him and
892. 41:07gave him he was they let him be off just
893. 41:09for just
894. 41:10just ridiculous amount of time it was so
895. 41:12good to him so he stayed with me when he
896. 41:14had to go back to work
897. 41:16he would stay at my brother John and
898. 41:20Lizzy's because it was close so
899. 41:24I would stay with Randy and Christy
900. 41:28um in Hampton when Buster was there I
901. 41:31would almost always go to John and
902. 41:35Lizzy's when Buster was there
903. 41:37I would go to John and Lizzy sometimes
904. 41:39when um
905. 41:41Buster wasn't there
906. 41:42but I
907. 41:45I was Johnny Parker one of my partners
908. 41:49had a guest house his mother-in-law had
909. 41:53lived in when she was sick that's really
910. 41:56it's right at the foot of Randy's drive
911. 41:59it's a hundred yards 70 yards from
912. 42:02Randy's house and I was going to move
913. 42:05into I was going to move into
914. 42:08that house until
915. 42:11we figured out where
916. 42:13I could live so I had clothes there
917. 42:17I had clothes at Randy's
918. 42:19I had clothes at
919. 42:22John Marvin's
920. 42:24I had clothes at chichessi which is
921. 42:27I think you heard Buster talk about
922. 42:28chichester's like where we
923. 42:30went to the to the river and I had
924. 42:33clothes there
925. 42:35um
926. 42:36I had clothes in Somerville
927. 42:40and I still had clothes at Moselle
928. 42:44so your clothes
929. 42:46yes sir last question
930. 42:49no this
931. 42:52uh
932. 42:53so you were your clothes spread out a
933. 42:56lot of different places
934. 42:58yes
935. 43:00like a little break for lunch and return
936. 43:02at
937. 43:05in an hour and 15 minutes
938. 43:10please do not discuss the case
939. 43:20we have been watching the surprise
940. 43:22testimony of Alec Murdock who is
941. 43:24testifying in his own defense today
942. 43:26there's a lot for the jar to soak in
943. 43:29after hearing him on the stand so far
944. 43:31and if you're just joining us here's a
945. 43:33quick
946. 43:37recess let's see it's 120