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0:00you cannot sit in the jury box
0:18you may call your next Witness
0:23thank you your honor
0:25the defendant Richard Alexander murdick
0:28wishes to take the standard
0:35[Music]
0:43you give today will be the truth the
0:46whole truth and nothing but the truth
0:47yes ma'am
0:57if you don't mind setting your full name
0:58again and spelling your life
1:00I'm Alec murdick m-u-r-d-a-u-g-h
1:06good morning
1:21Mr murder
1:24on June 7th
1:262021 did you take this gun or any gun
1:29like it
1:31and shoot your son Paul in the chest in
1:34the feed room at your property off
1:35Moselle Road no I did not
1:38Mr Marty could you take this gun or any
1:42gun like it
1:43and blow your son's brains out on June
1:467th or any day or anytime
1:49no I did not
1:53Mr Murray
1:55[Music]
1:57if you take a 300 Blackout
2:00such as this
2:02and fired into your wife Maggie's
2:06leg torso or any part of her body no I
2:10did not did you shoot a 300 Blackout
2:14into her head causing her death
2:19Mr Griffin I didn't shoot my wife or my
2:21son anytime
2:23ever
2:27[Music]
2:39Mr murdick is that you
2:42on the kennel video at 8 44 pm on June
2:457th the night Maddie Maggie and Paul
2:47were murdered it is
2:49were you in fact at the kennels at 8 44
2:52pm on the night Maggie and Paul were
2:54murdered I was
2:56did you lie to sled agent Owen and
2:58deputy Laura Rutland
3:02on the night of June 7th
3:04and told them that you stayed at the
3:06house after dinner
3:07I did lie to them did you lie to agent
3:10Owen and agent Croft on the follow-up
3:12interview on June 10th
3:15that the last time you saw Maggie and
3:17Paul was at dinner
3:20I did lie to them
3:22and then the interview of August 11th
3:25did you tell agent Owen and agent crawl
3:29did you lie to them by telling them that
3:33you were not down at the Kennels
3:35on that night yes
3:40Alec why did you lie
3:43to agent Owen agent Croft and Deputy
3:45Rutland about the last time you saw
3:47Maggie and Paul
3:48as my addiction evolved over time
3:54I would get any situations or
3:56circumstances where I would get paranoid
3:59thinking and it could be anything that
4:03that triggered it might be a look
4:04somebody gave me it might be a reaction
4:06somebody had to something I did
4:08um it might be a policeman following me
4:10in in a car
4:12um
4:14that night June 7th
4:17after finding
4:22mags and Paul Papa
4:26don't talk to anybody without Danny with
4:29you
4:31all my partners were just repeatedly
4:33telling me that
4:35I had a deputy share taking gunshot
4:39tests from my hands
4:42I'm sitting in a
4:45police car
4:47with David Owen asking me about my
4:50relationship with my wife and my son
4:54and all those things
4:56coupled together after finding them
4:59coupled with my distrust for sled
5:02caused me to have paranoid thoughts
5:05normally
5:08when these paranoid thoughts would hit
5:10me I could take a deep breath real quick
5:14just think about it reason my way
5:16through it and just get past it really
5:18quickly
5:21on June the 7th
5:32I wasn't thinking clearly
5:35I don't think I was capable of reason
5:41and I lied about being down there
5:47and I'm so sorry that I did
5:54I'm sorry to my son buster
5:59I'm sorry to Grandma Papa t
6:07I'm sorry to both of our families
6:12foreign
6:19I'm sorry to Max
6:21and Papa
6:24I would never
6:26intentionally do anything
6:29to hurt either one of them
6:39ever
6:44foreign
6:52lying after
6:54that night did you not but once I lied I
6:57continued to lie yes sir why
7:04you know oh what a tangled web we weave
7:07but once I told a lie
7:10I mean I told my family I
7:15had to keep mine
7:20foreign
7:28Alex tell the jury
7:30what happened on the evening though
7:32June 7th starting when you met him for
7:35Paul
7:38been at work that day
7:42a fairly normal day
7:44um
7:48you may start in the morning or
7:50sure start in the morning
7:53um
7:55just a regular morning Maggie was
7:57leaving to go
7:58out of town
8:00um
8:01she was she was going to a doctor's
8:03appointment
8:04and
8:06um
8:07she had some stuff to do at Edisto where
8:09she was having some work done on our
8:12house that head of stuff
8:14um
8:15so but Maggie was there that morning she
8:18went to leave and she told me she was
8:21doing these things
8:23um
8:24always
8:26always ask Maggie to come back home and
8:30stay with me but anyway Maggie had left
8:34she did her thing I went to work did
8:40work I learned from Paul Paul that who's
8:44Paul Paul
8:45that's Paul my son Papa my son Paul
8:48murdered and your name for him was
8:51pawpaw
8:53yeah we I mean we called him Papa okay
8:55go ahead I'm sorry and um
8:58it may Buster mag I pretty I call him
9:01Paul Paul or Paul Terry
9:03um
9:04but Max caught him pawpaw bus called him
9:08Papa
9:09um a lot of people called him Papa
9:13but anyway
9:14I learned about the I had known that CB
9:18the guy that worked for us had sprayed
9:20the sunflowers I I knew about that but
9:23I'd been out of town
9:25um
9:28I didn't know they were dead Paul let me
9:30know they had died so we had to replant
9:32the dove feel that that's not the field
9:34which the the dove feels just a big it's
9:37a big social part of of of having
9:40property people would come and it's just
9:42a social big part of it so the Duffield
9:43was a big deal so when when the
9:46sunflowers got killed Paul was when we
9:49knew they were dead Paul was coming home
9:51and I learned that early
9:53Monday morning
9:56and did um
9:59and we'll we'll catch back up but at
10:02some point in time did you meet out with
10:03Paul yeah after work I met Paul Paul at
10:06the at the property and and I'm and
10:10we're gonna backfill and talk about more
10:12of the day but I just want to focus in
10:13on that evening right now okay when Paul
10:15gets to the property what do y'all doing
10:18first thing we do is we go to the field
10:20and and we look at the duff feel and
10:23um how'd you get to the duck field
10:26uh he had come in uh my brother's truck
10:31we got in my sunbusters black pickup
10:35truck we called it Buster struck or the
10:38black pickup truck you've heard it
10:39called too but I I call it Buster's
10:41truck
10:42okay so you're in Buster's truck and you
10:44and you go to the dove field tell the
10:47jury what else well that's the first
10:48thing we do we we go to the dove field
10:50and we look and it was clearly
10:52it didn't you could tell they were I
10:54mean you could tell they've been
10:55spraying you could tell they were dead
10:57uh I mean they might have still had a
11:00tiny bit of light but they were dead so
11:01we knew that so we knew we had to
11:03re-plant the whole field
11:05um
11:06so that didn't take but a second
11:08um
11:09but after that pawpaw
11:15thank you
11:22we just rode the property we spent time
11:24together
11:26we
11:28fish we rode around and we spent time
11:31together on the property
11:34did you go to the duck pond oh yeah we
11:37went uh we went to several food plots we
11:40went to um single oak stand we called it
11:44which is across the road
11:47um I know we went to the bridge stand we
11:50went to the um we went to the duck pond
11:53where we stayed for a minute
11:55and
12:02did you um I can remember the duck pond
12:05specifically
12:06because
12:08I had helped Paw Paw plant the dove feel
12:11and and the corn in the duff field so
12:15the sunflowers corn sunflowers going and
12:18I'd help him plant the Sun the corn in
12:20this in the dove field
12:22pawpaw had planted the duck pond by
12:25himself and he's making a really big
12:28deal to me about how much better the
12:30corn was doing in the
12:33duck Bond than it was in the duff field
12:37we stayed there for a little while we
12:39rode we were at the cabin for a little
12:41while we rode around the cabin looking
12:43at it
12:44the cabinet is what
12:46that's um it's just a a little small
12:50it's truly a cabin it's a it's a four
12:53room
12:54uh structure it's got a little living
12:56area a little kitchen it's got two
12:59little bedrooms and one little bathroom
13:00and this what you've heard talk about
13:02where the kids stayed some Summers and
13:05um as I want the jury seen some overhead
13:08pitchers it's just right there on
13:09Moselle road yeah it's right it's right
13:11up on Moselle Road and it's very close
13:13to the um the the driveway that goes to
13:17the shop and the Kennels
13:20did you spend any time at the shop what
13:21do you think oh yes I mean the shop was
13:25I mean that was sort of um
13:27The Hub that that was the main place if
13:30you weren't at the house you might be
13:32out going to
13:34this field or this food plot or this
13:37duck pond or or this part of the the
13:40river but the the the shop
13:43is where the kennels were located you
13:46know that was
13:48you were always there something was
13:49always going on there you're always
13:51doing something there that's where all
13:52the tools were that's where all the
13:54equipment was kept I mean that was
13:57that was the main Hub right
13:59and so we were there that day I mean
14:01there was a point in time where we
14:03unloaded the bulldozer that um that that
14:06had been on a different part of the
14:08property was on a trailer we Lo unloaded
14:10it and sprayed it down real quick that
14:12was just one of the many things we did
14:13that day
14:14one of the things the jury's seen uh
14:17Alec is is a Snapchat video of you and
14:20and
14:21doing something with a tree dude you
14:23remember that
14:25oh yeah so what what was happening there
14:28that's just part of when we were we were
14:30riding that that particular location
14:32where that was is at a food plot that
14:36that we called Sawtooth Oaks and it was
14:39named that because there were some
14:40Sawtooth Oaks that were planted there
14:42that you can't see in the in the picture
14:44but uh what that tree is and all these
14:47food plots there's an area where
14:50it's not as big as the field but it's
14:53like a field where you plant vegetation
14:56for for wildlife like it might be cow
14:59peas or soybeans but you plant and then
15:02there's a feeder to to attract deer then
15:05we planted these little fruit trees on
15:08these stands and what you see me doing
15:10is fooling with a fruit tree that I'd
15:13been tending to it had fallen over I had
15:16straps on it I had strings on it that
15:18were holding it up one of the strings
15:19popped I undid the other string and it
15:22was falling over and pawpaw was laughing
15:24at me trying to get it back up right and
15:27that was
15:28it's just a fruit tree that I've been
15:30dealing with for
15:31really for years
15:33and it wouldn't stand up straight and
15:35were you and Paul having a good time at
15:37that point
15:43you could not be around Papa
15:52you could not be around him and not have
15:54a good time
15:56where are you where are you close to
15:57Paul
16:01foreign
16:03closer
16:05then Papa
16:07and uh and Buster and I
16:10were in our
16:15he's just wonderful
16:18one
16:21and one of the things you enjoyed doing
16:22together was just riding the property I
16:24love doing anything with pawpaw
16:27it was an absolute Delight
16:30but yeah one of the things I mean Paul's
16:34passion
16:37I mean Paul was passionate about a lot
16:38of things but that property was really a
16:41passion to his I mean he loved to do he
16:43loved to work it he loved to work with
16:45Fields he loved to work the food plots
16:47he loved to hunt I mean he
16:51he'd work on the roads I mean
16:54he would he would work on all of it I
16:58mean he would work on
17:00destruction and he would he he worked on
17:02the whole property
17:04it was it was his passion
17:07so in the evening of the seventh you
17:11know
17:12Jerry's been in
17:14undated with data from various different
17:18sources but just ballpark can you
17:22I mean knowing
17:24you know what we know now after
17:25reviewing everything but roughly when do
17:27you remember Paul getting there and you
17:29getting there and starting to ride the
17:30property
17:32now that I've had the benefit of of
17:34seeing all of these records
17:38um
17:40Papa got home I believe a little bit
17:43before seven o'clock
17:45and I got home a little bit before him I
17:47think the details had been that I got
17:49home around 6 40 2 or 6 45 or something
17:52like that and Paul got there
17:56you know very quickly thereafter and
17:58then by seven o'clock
18:00so you rode the property for a while
18:03um do you remember when Maggie arrived
18:06yeah it was it was later than that it
18:09was
18:10eight or after eight
18:12I think it was after eight and looking
18:14at the records a little bit after eight
18:16and and do you remember
18:18um do you remember her arriving or where
18:20you were when she arrived I believed
18:22that I was at the shop when when she
18:24came through
18:27which would not be unusual for her
18:28having been away if Blanca had gotten
18:31the mail or somebody got in the mail
18:33maybe not but if somebody had not gotten
18:35a mail it would be perfectly normal for
18:37her to pull through that and I believe
18:39she did pull through there that day
18:41and Paul and I were at the shop I
18:43believe and then what what did you do
18:45after Maggie arrived
18:48Maggie went to the house and I know that
18:52um but shortly after however I learned
18:55that Maggie got home I went to the house
18:57when when Maggie got home and I left
18:59Paul at the shop
19:01so um and what'd you do when you got to
19:04the house I saw Max talk to Max
19:08um and I took a shower
19:11um the the clothes that we saw in that
19:13Snapchat video was uh is that the
19:15clothes you had on at work
19:17that day yes those are the clothes I had
19:21on that work that day and the and the
19:23jury's seen you and um
19:25in those clothes and and what's
19:28on June 7th
19:30how tall were you and how much did you
19:31weigh
19:34um on June 7th well I'm I'm six a little
19:36I'm a hair over six four right at six
19:38four on June the 7th I was about
19:42265 pounds 264 265.
19:47and um and this was in June June 7th yes
19:51sir
19:52when you're outside
19:54riding around and doing some do you get
19:56hot and sweaty absolutely I mean Paul
19:58and I have done some things we we
20:01unloaded bulldozer clean the bulldozers
20:04we fooled around yeah I mean I sweated I
20:07was
20:09you know I was heavy and
20:12taking prescription pills also makes you
20:16sweat worse or at least taking oxycodone
20:18makes you sweat more than you normally
20:20do
20:22so was it unusual for you to take a
20:24shower when you got back to the house
20:25not at all
20:28and that when you
20:31after you took a shower what did you
20:33change into
20:34I changed into the clothes
20:38that
20:39you've seen in this trial shorts in the
20:43shirt okay
20:47when you got out of the shower
20:50um you changed clothes what'd you do
20:52next
20:54I went back out where Max and papa were
20:57and uh for dinner what's going on Max
21:01had figured as you've heard Blanca had
21:04prepared
21:06dinner but uh it had been cooked earlier
21:09mags had fixed
21:11I know Max had fixed mine and her plate
21:14because I didn't fix a plate she may
21:15have fixed Papa Papa was eating and Papa
21:17was almost done eating by the time I got
21:20back out which also
21:24wasn't unusual I mean Papa was always on
21:28the go I mean he he never
21:31sat still and you know he'd sit down to
21:34eat but then he's going on to his next
21:37item
21:38and uh so the Maggie and I ate
21:41and you already at the table you eat the
21:44dinner what's your normal habit oh we
21:46would do both but I mean when we ate at
21:48the table it was really sort of more
21:51formal or or not formal but just more of
21:54an organized thing our normal what we
21:57would normally do on a regular evening
21:59is we would eat in the den in front of
22:01the TV and that's where we ate that day
22:03I ate on the couch
22:06the table Maggie had a little um
22:10a TV tray that she kept over there and
22:14and pawpaw would usually sit in a
22:15recliner and and eat off of the Ottoman
22:19it was a TV on yes
22:22was that normal for the TV to be on yes
22:25TV if we were in the House TV was on
22:31so what what happened next Alan
22:33uh Papa
22:35moved on doing whatever he was doing I
22:38don't know if he was in The Gun Room
22:39doing something or he was
22:41in his room doing something he was
22:44outside doing something I actually
22:46thought he'd gone to the shed but in
22:48looking at to the shop but in looking at
22:51the the benefit of having these records
22:54um that we have I know he was still at
22:57the house or somewhere around the house
22:58doing something but he wasn't in there
23:00with Maggie and I
23:02um
23:03but Maggie wanted to go to the kennels
23:06and uh I had eaten dinner
23:09I laid back on the couch where I was
23:12sitting my Maggie wanted to go to the
23:13kennels and she asked me to go and and
23:18I didn't I didn't go at that time I
23:20didn't want to go why didn't you want to
23:22go oh it was hot
23:24um I just had a shower
23:27I knew I'd end up doing more work uh
23:30sweating more and and
23:33the dogs is always a chaotic scene and
23:38I just didn't want to go right there
23:39well
23:41let me ask you what what had you done
23:43the
23:44previous days like Friday and Saturday
23:47and Sunday
23:49um
23:50start with Friday or go backwards yeah
23:53yeah start start with Friday all right
23:55on that just briefly so seventh sixth
23:58fifth fourth so June the fourth uh
24:02my dad was in the hospital and
24:06Savannah Georgia at Memorial Hospital
24:10and I went down to visit him Friday
24:14afternoon
24:16and I stayed with him
24:18in the hospital I spent the night there
24:21you know he was real sick I mean he was
24:24having a hard time
24:26um did you get much sleep Friday night
24:29no I mean I had a
24:32real sweet nurse found me at first it
24:34was just a hard chair in there like this
24:36but a nurse found me a soft chair sort
24:39of like a recliner so I mean I I'm sure
24:42I slept but
24:43I didn't sleep well you know I didn't
24:45get a night's sleep no sir
24:48and then Saturday and Sunday Saturday
24:51we had plans with um
24:55with um Buster in Brooklyn I've heard
24:58about Brooklyn there's Buster's
25:00wonderful little
25:01girlfriend
25:02and Max and I had plans with them to
25:06meet them in Colombia to go to the South
25:10Carolina
25:11uh it was a regional baseball tournament
25:14and South Carolina was playing Virginia
25:17I believe so when I got back from
25:20Savannah
25:21and met up with mags
25:26at some point we we had we headed to
25:28Colombia so I mean it wasn't a lot
25:31going on in between there we headed up
25:33to Columbia met bus in Brooklyn
25:35and then and you stay did you stay in
25:37Columbia Saturday night we did we went
25:40to the Ball Game and I remember it was
25:42an evening game
25:43um we went
25:45pretty early and tailgated Maggie and
25:48Maggie had reconnected with the college
25:50friend
25:52um who coincidentally had married
25:55a college friend of mine
25:58um and they had a son that played for
26:00Carolina he was a first baseman a really
26:04good little player and
26:06we met them and tailgated with them and
26:10it was a lot of fun they had a lot of
26:12the parents of the players that um were
26:16playing for Carolina and uh it was just
26:19it was it was it was a fun time we
26:23tailgated and then we went to and it was
26:25a night game so we went to the game and
26:27the game got over
26:29um you know it was fairly late into the
26:32evening and after that
26:35bus Brooklyn and Max and I
26:40uh
26:42believe we went to the restaurant in the
26:45hotel where we were staying but we went
26:47had dinner and
26:50and and then bus and Brooklyn went home
26:53and of course Maggie and I went to our
26:54room and then you know the next day was
26:57there another game another game the next
26:59day
27:00um
27:01that's right and uh
27:04and then you after that you head back to
27:07Moselle with Maggie yeah we went to the
27:09game
27:10um
27:12that's right mags and I go back to um
27:16the Moselle the jury's heard about
27:19I think Ms Ras talking about you
27:21bringing Krispy Kreme Donuts to your dad
27:24Maggie loved
27:26she
27:27spoiled my dad and always
27:31I'm always taking him something my dad
27:33loves sweets and she and I picked up
27:36donuts and took Krispy Kreme donuts
27:40uh to him and then um you'll both spend
27:44the night together at Moselle on Sunday
27:46night did you both spend the night at
27:49Moselle on Sunday night yes
27:52and then the seventh was a work day
27:56that's right
27:57it's a Monday Monday June the 7th
28:00I'll rephrase it oh I'm sorry it was
28:02Monday
28:04The Seventh-Day work day for you yes
28:08and and I just wanted to give that
28:11background into moving forward to
28:14when you testified previously about
28:16Maggie asking you to go to the kennels
28:18were you tired
28:19oh yes I was tired
28:21and you had just had a shower just had a
28:23shower
28:25and um and you said that well
28:30did you go with Maggie to the Kennels
28:33immediately no I did not what'd you do
28:36what did she leave yes she did
28:40she left and pawpaw was gone
28:42you know how she got to the kennel at
28:44the time I didn't but now looking at
28:46these condensed records
28:49um and and understanding the timeline is
28:51clear to me that she rode with Papa
28:56and uh
28:57and did you stay in the house yes for
29:00how long not long I laid back on the
29:03couch put my feet up and like many times
29:06when Maggie asked me to do something
29:08that I didn't want to do or didn't start
29:11out doing I changed my mind and decided
29:14I'm gonna ride up there
29:17and I did and how did you get to the to
29:21the kennels I went on the golf cart
29:25uh
29:26was it was a golf cart at the house the
29:28main house yeah
29:32and it was there most of the time
29:34and when you got down to the kennels
29:37what was happening uh it just what I
29:40thought it was
29:41um it was a little bit of chaos I mean
29:44it was clear to me that mags had just
29:47let the dogs out
29:49um
29:50okay the two dogs that were out were
29:54really her pet dogs one is Grady you've
29:58heard about a black lab that's Grady
30:00that's Buster's dog and the other is the
30:03yellow lab that you've heard about
30:05that's Bubba Bubba was mine and Maggie's
30:08dog but it was really mine Maggie's bus
30:10and Papa's dog it was a family dog but
30:15Bubba's a dog I hunted
30:18um
30:18I mean Maggie loved Bubba she loved
30:22Grady too but I mean she had a special
30:24place for Bubba but anyway when the dogs
30:26first were let out the first thing they
30:28would do is they would run you if you
30:31look at the overhead
30:34um
30:34picture that you've seen there were
30:36planted Pines right behind the Kennels
30:39so you got the kennels and and and the
30:42chicken coop sort of form an L-shaped
30:44and in in that L with some planted Pines
30:47first thing the dogs would do is go out
30:49in that
30:50um
30:51kennel and you know Bubba
30:54and and and Grady I think learned this
30:57from Bubba but Grady would do it too but
30:59Bubba had to Mark every tree I mean he
31:01he would go and
31:04he do a little numeral history and
31:07actually you know dogs do and it's
31:08marking his territory
31:10um and so that was the first thing those
31:12dogs did when they came out when I got
31:15there those dogs were in that area so
31:18that's why I believed that it hadn't
31:20been long before they've been let out
31:23um Grady was chasing guineas
31:26um which was a normal thing to do
31:30uh guinea fowl is a guinea fowl is like
31:34um
31:35it's like a chicken it's a domestic bird
31:37that you know we had them I
31:40they make a lot of Racket it's like a
31:43you know I know this sounds silly but
31:44it's like a a guard bird
31:47um because anytime you know they just
31:50make a lot of Racket anytime anything
31:51unusual is going on if anything if
31:54anything disturbs them it could be a
31:55person it could be somebody driving up
31:57whatever they're gonna make a lot of
31:59Rapids so Grady's chasing the guineas
32:03um
32:05you know Paul's fooling with um
32:08Rogan's doll cash
32:11um Maggie's just kind of standing there
32:13watching the dogs which is normal and
32:16they were in that place as as the dogs
32:19were out longer they Branch out more
32:22um but at that point in time they were
32:23they were right there so that told me
32:25they hadn't been out
32:27um
32:28a long time
32:30Bubba Bubba catches a chicken
32:35um
32:36oh
32:38I'm talking to Maggie for just you know
32:41a short time before Bubba catches the
32:43chicken
32:45I take the chicken
32:47put it when Bubba Bubba didn't chase
32:51these dogs didn't chase the chickens to
32:53kill them and they didn't normally kill
32:55them they did kill them sometimes but it
32:57was about to chase with those dogs and
33:00and they were proud when they caught one
33:02you could just tell by the way bubble
33:04with Prince to you when he brought
33:06chicken to you he was proud that he had
33:08caught it but he wasn't trying to kill
33:10it and so most times the chicken wasn't
33:12dead and that chicken wasn't dead but a
33:16lot of times they would be stunned and
33:18they would be just real lethargic so you
33:21had to take the chicken and you had to
33:22put it up somewhere where you know the
33:25chicken could be by itself for a minute
33:27and
33:29and it would eventually usually
33:32you know come back to normal and going
33:34about its
33:36you know whatever chicken does
33:38did you get the chicken out of Bubba's
33:41mouth I did I took the chicken from
33:42Bubba and I put it
33:44um
33:46on top of that
33:49no no we've seen you know this video of
33:52Paul
33:54um with cash rogenstall did you know
33:59did you know that was going on what do
34:01you remember about that about yeah I
34:04knew Paul was I knew Paul was fooling
34:06with um
34:07when I pulled up on the golf cart Maggie
34:09was standing
34:11back sort of
34:12where the driveway would be
34:15um it sort of runs out at the feed room
34:18um storage rooms what we call has been
34:20called the feed room
34:22um
34:23but it sort of ran out Maggie was a
34:25little bit further up where she could
34:27see back in that angle where the dogs
34:29were Paul was fooling with um Rogan's
34:31dog back towards the kennel if I
34:34remember when I first got there Paul was
34:36more in the driveway but then
34:40I knew Paul was in the kennel fooling
34:42with cash yes but did I know what he was
34:44doing I didn't know exactly what he was
34:46doing now did um you I knew he was
34:48fooling with us I knew he was fooling
34:50with his tail
34:52what was was Cash in the kennel when
34:54when you pulled up you think not when I
34:57first got there
34:59um did Bubba or Grady have any uh
35:02collars on yes
35:04which both dogs one dog do you remember
35:06I don't know about Grady but I know
35:08Bubba had on his what we call a tracking
35:10collar Paul for his hunting dogs
35:14um Paul had a system a series of
35:17tracking collars and I think there were
35:19five that might have been six but it's a
35:21tracking collar
35:23um that had a a device
35:27that would tell you where that column
35:29was so that because Bubba was bad about
35:32you know he would he would stay close
35:35for a minute but then he would take off
35:36and he especially do that on Maggie he
35:39would he would take off and run and so
35:41he had on the tracking collar that if he
35:44did that you could
35:46you know you you could know okay he's
35:49you know a half a mile down here it's
35:51not going to follow him but so far but
35:54it would follow a good long distance so
35:56you could go get the dog
35:58um
35:59if he ran off which Bubba frequently
36:01would do especially when it was just
36:04mags and Bubba
36:07um and so Paul
36:09Paul probably would have been the one to
36:11put that on bubba
36:14so you've got to swear you've gotten
36:18to checking out of Bubba's mouth and put
36:20it up on a doghouse or something I
36:23believe I believe what I put it on
36:25this but I've seen pictures in all this
36:28and I saw the chicken sitting on top of
36:30the um
36:32what looks to me like a portable dog
36:34crate whatever wherever it was sitting
36:36on there is where I would have put it up
36:37there you know any reason to believe
36:39anybody else moved that chicken and It
36:41ultimately that chicken did die
36:44and um what'd you do after you got the
36:48chicken out of Bubba's mouth I got out
36:49of there I I I I left I went back to the
36:53house
36:54well look before we do that um
36:57we've seen that
36:59dog kennel video with cash and
37:04Mr Davis
37:06we slowed it down for him do you see the
37:08water hose in that video on the ground
37:11if you remember seeing that
37:13uh yes I do was a water hose out and
37:17obviously
37:19um in the video but can I I I don't
37:23specifically remember that but I can
37:25look in that video and see it right but
37:27that's not something that I noticed so
37:29but
37:31you've seen it in the video here yes sir
37:34and then the two dogs were out
37:36absolutely Bubba and Grady and then you
37:41you head behind you get back to the
37:42house
37:44same route I mean same route I'd come on
37:46I came down the driveway made a left on
37:50uh you saw my route
37:53um in the car I made I drove that same
37:56route
37:58question was obviously wasn't clear
38:00enough what were you in a vehicle you
38:02walked
38:03what mode of transportation did you use
38:05to get back to the house same way I came
38:07I went back in the golf cart
38:10and it is the golf cart if you remember
38:12that Mark Ball
38:15testified that he saw
38:18where we normally would park it you pull
38:20up and pull along the front
38:23entrance and it either you come in from
38:26the left and you'd go just past it and
38:28be on the right or you come in from the
38:29right and you'd be just past it on the
38:31left and that's where I got in it
38:33and that's where I put it back did you
38:36do anything else
38:39before leaving
38:41after you took
38:43the chicken out above his mouth
38:46no
38:47we've heard
38:49about Bubba being stubborn how long did
38:51it take you to get chicken out above his
38:53mouth Obama could be stubborn but Bubba
38:55would listen to me and uh and and
38:58another thing when Bubba had on that
38:59collar one of the other features of that
39:01collar was what did Bo have on the
39:04collar or was it great Bubba hat on the
39:06collar Bubba had the Color Bob I know
39:08Bubba had a collar on and I'm not sure
39:11about Grady okay go ahead if I misspoke
39:13on that there's no question about it
39:16Bubba had on a collar
39:17I assume Grady did too
39:20um
39:21but I didn't I I didn't even I saw Grady
39:24I didn't notice for a fact that Grady
39:27had on the collar okay but he probably
39:28did
39:30so makes sense to me that he did how
39:33long did it take to get the chickens out
39:34of no chicken out of Bubba's mouth it
39:36didn't take it didn't take long number
39:38one Bubba's coming back there to show me
39:40hey I caught this chicken so he's not
39:43running from me he's proud of that fact
39:45that he caught this chicken so I mean
39:47he's he comes right up to me
39:51um Bubba was really strong uh but you
39:54know you just
39:56you take your thumb
39:58when the dog's clenched and his mouth a
40:01little bit open all you do is you take
40:02your thumb and you push his gum in
40:04really tight against those sharp teeth
40:06and his mouth opens right up
40:09took the chicken out and put it on
40:12I believe the portable dog kennel and
40:14then left
40:15and then I left then leave okay
40:19and
40:21did you go back to the house I went
40:24straight back to the house to the air
40:26conditioner and what'd you do when you
40:28got back to the house I laid down on the
40:30couch
40:32and then what
40:34well I mean it was TV on when he went
40:35back
40:38yeah I mean the TV never got cut off
40:44so he went back to the house she laid
40:45down on the couch and then what happened
40:47next I'm not uh I'm not positive I dozed
40:50off for a minute or didn't doze off for
40:52a minute but I got up off of the couch
40:56uh and I was I made up my mind I was
41:00going to visit my mom
41:02had you spoken to Barbara Mixon earlier
41:04in the day I did
41:06I talked to Barbara most days if I
41:08didn't see her I talked to her
41:10and what was your understanding of of
41:12your mother's
41:14condition on
41:16late on the afternoon of the summer she
41:19was agitated which she got agitated uh
41:23when my dad you know I mean we were
41:25putting my dad in the hospital
41:29I mean he had a lot over to
41:3318 months
41:38two years I mean my dad was in the
41:40hospital
41:41he was in the hospital a lot and my mom
41:48I believe my mom knew when my dad wasn't
41:51there because
41:53I mean she would get agitated I mean
41:55that's just the only term you can think
41:56of she get agitated she she cried a lot
41:59she'd um
42:01she'd be fussy when she normally
42:03wouldn't be fussy I mean she was I know
42:06Alzheimer's patients are unpredictable
42:07but
42:09I'm convinced she knew because it
42:11happened frequently and Barbara Ann told
42:13me
42:15your mom's agitated you need a check on
42:17her I gave her medicine she's resting
42:21so it wasn't anything
42:23urgent
42:24but she's resting so what what Barbara
42:27would do and Barbara could handle her
42:30Barbara could handle her better than I
42:33mean my mama we all love Barbara my mama
42:36love Barbara my mama could get I mean
42:38Barbara could get my mom to do things
42:40that nobody else when she fussed for
42:43anybody else including me or my brothers
42:45or my sisters Barbara could get her you
42:48know
42:49in in order and
42:53um but Barbara giving her medicine and
42:55and to settle her down and calm her down
42:57and and that would sometimes make her go
43:00to sleep
43:01for a little while but then she
43:04be agitated when she woke up
43:07the um so did you go check on your mom I
43:11did
43:13um
43:14did um
43:17where did you park when you got there
43:20and
43:21you saw the pictures there's two exits
43:25off of that
43:26um deck
43:27one of them to the right one of them
43:29straight out that back door I would have
43:31parked to the left if you if you're
43:34coming down these steps if these are the
43:35steps it would be to the left and back
43:38over there all right um
43:41which is where I always park for where
43:44we always Park
43:46anytime you were going in that entrance
43:48all right I'm gonna stop there and ask
43:53Doug if you don't mind pulling up States
43:55exhibit 524 which is the GM OnStar data
43:58and the slide 38.
44:01um
44:02which is in evidence
44:10can you can you see this uh
44:16the slide with those dots yes sir I can
44:21I can
44:22red dots here at the um
44:25that seem to be joined where is that in
44:28relation to your parents house where the
44:31arrow is
44:33yes sir all right that's back in the
44:35area where I'm talking about
44:37all right so if you look in this picture
44:41all right you see that you you see the
44:44open area with the green grass that's
44:46the that's the front door okay yeah
44:48right right where that circle is that's
44:50the front door if you look at closely at
44:53the house you can see a big Dormer right
44:55in the middle of the roof that's right
44:56over the front door
44:58the white thing to the left of the house
45:00that's like a parking pad where the
45:04where the driveway ends and there's a
45:07parking pad like so you go if you follow
45:10the driveway all the way to the house
45:11you're gonna run straight into a carport
45:13all right by the by the carport door
45:17just to the left before you get to the
45:19carport is this
45:22area that you can see here that's that's
45:24part driveway mainly parking pad
45:28all right I'm gonna um like if you'll
45:31pull up Defender exhibit 130 which is in
45:34evidence please sir
45:37foreign
45:44and from this photo can you
45:47point out roughly where where you
45:50normally where you park that evening all
45:53right this is the this is the entrance
45:55to the right that I'm talking about
45:56there's an exit and an entrance uh right
45:59in front of that door that you see there
46:01so if you came down those steps walk to
46:04your left
46:05would be down there would be where I
46:07parked
46:09oh we would you have parked on the grass
46:11uh
46:13uh the grass back there there's there's
46:15some grass there for sure but it's not
46:19it's not the area up here by the house
46:21where it's sodded and sure this this
46:25grass that you can really see in this
46:27picture so it may be on the edge of the
46:29grass yes in relation to the satellite
46:32dish
46:33are you looking at this photo are you to
46:35the right of that yeah you'd be to the
46:37right of that satellite dish okay yes
46:41and and
46:42the way that satellite dish is right on
46:45the edge of the um
46:47you know there's there's a hedge and
46:50like you you see the I don't know what
46:52you call it a border like a border where
46:55the grass ends and the flower bed or
46:58whatever it is starts right I think you
47:01can't see it but I think that
47:02satellite's probably
47:04close to that border all right well
47:06let's um so it'd be tipping let's write
47:08it out in this picture Doug uh when you
47:11pull up a defendant's exhibit 134 see if
47:13this is a
47:15foreign
47:25are those the ones where you would enter
47:28right these are the steps that I used
47:31that night that we always used and and
47:33one of the reasons being is
47:36my dad
47:39this this door goes into what we call
47:42the Breakfast room the breakfast room
47:44leads right into the kitchen and
47:49so straight through this door
47:51all of the breakfast room is kind of to
47:54the left that door goes straight through
47:56another door way there's no door there
47:58but it's like a just opening it goes
48:01into the kitchen immediately to your
48:03right of that
48:05entrance into the kitchen is the
48:08entrance into where my Mom and Dad's
48:10rooms were so you if you went through
48:12that door you were in a little area that
48:14had my mom's closet my Dad's closet
48:17um
48:19a little bit further you go into my
48:21mom's bedroom if you went to the right
48:23you would go my dad and my mom didn't
48:27sleep in the same room at this point but
48:30the bedrooms were
48:32you know they were back to back there
48:33was a door going from one to the other
48:34and it was blocked but it was there and
48:36then there was a bathroom so this is
48:39really
48:40this is really the part of the house
48:42that at their age was getting used so
48:45that's why you went in this entrance
48:47because my mom and whoever was caring
48:49for her was always in her bedroom which
48:52would be just on the other side of the
48:54room that has these windows that you see
48:56to the right
48:58all right that those would be the
49:00windows for the room where my dad slept
49:01right and then my mom's right on the
49:03other side the kitchen's right there
49:05this is the part of the house they were
49:07always in and
49:09are you the only one that would pull up
49:11in the back like that no
49:14common for your brothers and your sister
49:16to do the same oh we all did it I mean
49:18we all
49:19we all part in in the same way if you
49:22knew you were going to the front of the
49:23house or if you knew there was a crowd
49:25there or
49:26for whatever you you may park on the
49:28driveway but if you knew
49:31under normal circumstances my dad always
49:34stayed in the breakfast room where he
49:37had a recliner and a TV that's where my
49:39dad always was my dad never
49:43you would never go catch him sitting in
49:45the den up front or in a in a living
49:49room he he just wasn't up there he was
49:52in this room watching TV or either he
49:55was on his back deck and my mom was
49:58either in her room which was just off of
50:00that or
50:02she might be in the kitchen
50:04or the breakfast room
50:08and
50:10when you got to the house who was there
50:13your mother's house on the night of June
50:157th my mom was there and Shelly Smith
50:18was there and and what did you do when
50:20you got there
50:22uh the first thing I did was
50:24I tried I tried to I knocked on the door
50:27the door was locked I knocked on the
50:29door Shelly didn't hear me
50:31and then what'd you do next I called
50:34called what I called my mom's house to
50:38let Shelley know I was there
50:40please come let me in and set the house
50:44phone that's been referred to yes okay
50:46and did she let you in sure and then
50:49what happened next I went in and I
50:51visited with my mom I mean let me go
50:54into detail on that well just briefly
50:56yeah what'd you do I went in the house
50:59in my mom's bedroom
51:02my mom had a bed that was where she
51:04slept
51:06in normal times it's like uh you know a
51:10bed with um
51:12you know the poles coming out of the
51:13corner a poster bed that um coming out
51:15of the corners and she had a bed like
51:18that that where she slept but she didn't
51:20sleep there anymore
51:21but it was in the room it was a hospital
51:23bed so when you when you walked in the
51:26room her bed was to the right
51:28against the wall to the left was a
51:31hospital bed like a single bed but a
51:34hospital bed
51:35and a TV and then there was a recliner
51:38where whoever was helping her
51:41would would usually sit so I went in
51:45and I sat down on my mom's
51:50hospital bed and
51:53I just talked to her for a minute my mom
51:55was awake and I held her hand
51:58and what kind of condition was she in uh
52:02she was I mean her condition was not
52:05good at any time but given her overall
52:09condition she seemed to be doing pretty
52:11well I mean she wasn't
52:14agitated like I thought she would be or
52:18like I was worried she would be or like
52:20Barbara had described her at that point
52:22so she she wasn't agitated and uh you
52:26know I just talked to her anytime
52:30we talked to my mom we always tried to
52:32be real positive and
52:35um you know upbeat and just
52:41and I just talked to him you know I just
52:44talked to him made sure she was okay
52:46um did you stay seated on the side of
52:49her Hospital style bed or did you move
52:52around I mean I stayed there for a few
52:54minutes you know I stayed there and I
52:57talked to her more than just a few
52:59seconds and then but but I didn't stay
53:02there
53:03um she was uh she she did look tired
53:08um
53:10so I I got up and I went and I I think I
53:14sat on my mom's bed for a minute to
53:15start with and then I laid down on my
53:18mom's bed which is you know that's what
53:20I I normally did when I went in there it
53:23wasn't like a lot of chairs to sit in
53:26um and I just laid back on the bed now
53:28when I talked to Shelly and we watched
53:30TV and when you're talking about your
53:32mom's bed or you're referring to her
53:33regular bed that's right
53:36not not her hospital bed not the bed she
53:38was in but her
53:39her bed the one I was talking about
53:41would like post right
53:45um
53:47the um
53:52let me skip something
53:55um
53:56was
53:57Maggie planning to go over to your
53:59mother's with you that night no she
54:01wasn't planning to go with me that night
54:04okay no in fact
54:06Maggie didn't really like to visit my
54:10mom
54:11um
54:12it was
54:16she loved to visit my dad
54:18and she loved to spend time with my dad
54:21and she spent a lot of time with my mom
54:23when my mom was healthy but you know I
54:26mean by this point my mom
54:28and she was a chef
54:33and she was a chef of her old self
54:36and
54:42I mean it was kind of I mean it was kind
54:45of sad to go and visit her anytime I
54:48mean she she just she wasn't healthy and
54:50Maggie didn't like to go and just visit
54:54my mom
54:55when when you when you left
54:58Mozelle the Hat had to Almeida
55:01um the evening after you
55:03go back to the house at Moselle what
55:08what exit did you use
55:11of the Moselle property when you're
55:13going to Almeda on the evening of June
55:167th I went out the main gates which
55:18would be straight
55:19ahead the um
55:21you've heard about two gates there's
55:23there's the shop entrance there's
55:26actually
55:28several entrances but the main ones we
55:30used it was an entrance by the dove
55:32field that was an inches further down by
55:33Sawtooth Oaks but the main ones we used
55:36were the shop entrance and what we call
55:39the main entrance where the brick Gates
55:41were
55:42did you go why didn't you go by the
55:45kennels on your way home
55:47there wasn't a reason to go by the
55:49kennels at that point and I was going to
55:52Almeda which
55:54that the main gate would be to the gates
55:58that were closer
56:04did you notify Maggie
56:07uh in some form that you were leaving to
56:10go to uh see your mom I tried to call
56:13her
56:15and
56:16and did she answer no
56:19and what'd you do after that I think I
56:21tried to call her again
56:23and
56:25did she answer no she didn't answer and
56:27at some point I texted her after that
56:32the fact that she didn't answer on two
56:34times from to that concern you at that
56:36time right it didn't concern me at all
56:39number one
56:43she was with pawpaw
56:50so
56:52no I mean
56:54number two I mean it's not unusual
56:58to not be able to get somebody all the
57:01time
57:02when
57:04they're at the house or they're just on
57:06the property I mean you've heard all the
57:08testimony about how spotty cell service
57:10was so no at the time
57:13it didn't strike me as anything
57:15unusual
57:19now I'm moving back to Almeda you've
57:23spent time with your mother and then
57:24then you'll have to head head back to
57:26mosell is that correct
57:28that's correct
57:29did you write did you drive straight
57:31back to Moselle I did
57:35no Alec there's some um
57:37information from the Telemetry data off
57:41your suburban and perhaps some of this
57:43OnStar GPS data that indicates that at
57:46some point in time in your mother's
57:47driveway you stop for about a minute do
57:50you recall seeing that data I did
57:54what were you doing when you stopped did
57:56you recall I was getting my phone that
57:59uh I I my phone had gotten there's a
58:03console in the middle of my car and my
58:05phone had gotten down in the console
58:07between the console and the seat where
58:09you couldn't get to it
58:14were you
58:16during that minute or however long it
58:19was were you disposing of murder weapons
58:21Alan no
58:23were you disposing of bloody clothes no
58:32and your your ride back to uh
58:35Mozelle was it uh
58:39when you're driving faster than normal
58:40normal
58:43I was driving however I drive the normal
58:46way did I drive okay
58:58when you got
59:00back to the Moselle property how did you
59:02enter the property what entrance did you
59:05use came right back through the main
59:07gate
59:08and what'd you do then went straight to
59:10the house
59:12and when you got to the house what'd you
59:13do
59:16I went inside
59:19we're lights on when you pulled up or
59:23lights were on in the house for sure I
59:25can't remember if there were flood
59:27lights on or not I I don't believe there
59:29were any flood lights on but
59:31they were definitely likes all the
59:35all the lights in the house were on yes
59:38and when you um
59:42how long do you stay inside the house
59:43roughly
59:44uh now that I've seen the benefit of
59:48these records I was in there several
59:50minutes
59:53obviously
59:54I mean
59:56were you surprised that Paula Maggie had
1:00:00not made it back to the house
1:00:01you know I don't know surprise is the
1:00:04right word but I mean I would have I
1:00:07thought they would have been back by
1:00:08then
1:00:09you know but I mean did it cause me to
1:00:12go into any
1:00:14it wasn't like I was shocked
1:00:18but I mean I thought they would be there
1:00:19I mean I I distinctly remember uh
1:00:24you know I went and looked sometimes
1:00:27I was very hot natured number one I was
1:00:31hot that was heavy and I was taking
1:00:33pills so I was always hot Maggie was
1:00:36always cold sometimes she would watch TV
1:00:40we had a TV in the um hunting room you
1:00:43see on the wall there sometimes Maggie
1:00:45would be in there watching TV where she
1:00:47could have the thermostat different than
1:00:49we always kept it cold in the in the
1:00:52main part of the house so I know I I
1:00:54know I went in there and and looked in
1:00:57there for her it's not unusual for
1:00:59Maggie to be taking a bath and be
1:01:02not able to hear me so I went back there
1:01:04and and I know I did those two things
1:01:07and and looked in those two places
1:01:10and they weren't there and so you know I
1:01:13knew they'd been at the kennels and I
1:01:16assumed they were still up there
1:01:18so what'd you do I went to the Kennels
1:01:22I may have tried to call them in fact I
1:01:24probably did try to call them we I I
1:01:26would think I called them
1:01:28um
1:01:29but as I sit here right now I'm not
1:01:31positive but I would think I did would
1:01:33think I tried to call them to see
1:01:36and now like when you
1:01:38did you drive down to the kennels in
1:01:40your suburban foreign
1:01:54what'd you see
1:02:05so much y'all have seen pictures up
1:02:16foreign
1:02:49foreign
1:03:23thank you
1:03:25did you see them on the ground when
1:03:27you're pulling up in your suburban
1:03:32I did
1:03:34and what'd you do
1:03:36when you came to a stop Alec I think I
1:03:39jumped out of my car
1:03:44I'm not exactly sure what I did but no I
1:03:47got out of my car
1:03:50I know I ran back to my car called 9-1-1
1:03:57I was
1:03:59I called 9-1-1
1:04:01I was on the phone with 9-1-1 and I was
1:04:04trying to tend to fall ball I was trying
1:04:06to tend to Maggie
1:04:10and I just went back and forth between
1:04:12them
1:04:15were you
1:04:16um
1:04:18going to Paul and Maggie while you were
1:04:20on the phone with the um 911 operators
1:04:24yes yes
1:04:30and in a little bit I'm going to play
1:04:34the 911 tape and I just want to ask you
1:04:36and and you've told law enforcement has
1:04:39been played here in the court
1:04:42um did you
1:04:46what did you do when you went up to Paul
1:04:48at some point in time
1:04:54involved
1:05:01oh so
1:05:04you're so bad
1:05:08at some point
1:05:10I know I mean I know I tried to check
1:05:12him for a pulse
1:05:16um
1:05:21I know I tried to turn him over
1:05:27when you say you tried to turn him over
1:05:29but why were you trying to turn him over
1:05:35I don't know
1:05:37I don't know I don't know why I tried to
1:05:39turn him over me and my boys laying face
1:05:41down
1:05:44these done the way he's done head was
1:05:48the waves head was
1:05:51I could see you can see his brain laying
1:05:54on the sidewalk
1:05:56I didn't know what to do I mean that's
1:06:00got try to turn him up he's gonna grab
1:06:02him by the belt loop
1:06:04and try to turn him over
1:06:10and when I did
1:06:12his phone popped out of this I mean his
1:06:14phone popped out and
1:06:17she picked it up and I put it right back
1:06:19there do you have any idea how it popped
1:06:22out
1:06:23I mean I know it came out of his pocket
1:06:26when I pulled on his belt loop
1:06:29when I when I pulled him to turn him
1:06:31over
1:06:32and it just popped out and I mean it
1:06:33popped right beside him it sat right
1:06:35beside him
1:06:39where you at were you able to
1:06:42turn Paul at all
1:06:45I mean I I did it if I was able to I did
1:06:49it during the moment then
1:06:55what what side of the um
1:06:58what side of Paul were you when you were
1:07:01doing this
1:07:03I was on um
1:07:08I was on the side that was away from
1:07:14I was on the side that was away from
1:07:16where my car was
1:07:19I mean I
1:07:26what'd you do with the phone I put it
1:07:28back on Papa
1:07:33you know if you put it
1:07:35you know which way it was pointing
1:07:37upside down downside anyway I couldn't
1:07:40tell you anything about it
1:07:42I know his phone popped out I picked it
1:07:45up and I put it back on it
1:07:47did you see any messages on Paul's phone
1:07:49no
1:08:01did you go to Maggie
1:08:08did did you touch her I did
1:08:12where did you touch Maggie
1:08:15I think I touched her down
1:08:18I was around like
1:08:22I don't know I don't know if you if you
1:08:25ask me exactly I think I touched her
1:08:28down around her waist but I don't know
1:08:36it was so bad
1:08:45foreign
1:08:51I know I went back and forth I mean I
1:08:54went back and forth between them
1:08:58I know I know I do
1:09:03I'd like to play Doug um
1:09:08the Colleton County portion
1:09:11of the 9-1-1 call the
1:09:13which is in evidence is defendants
1:09:16exhibit number nine
1:09:17and and Doug this is the long version
1:09:19the the first clip and stop it when I
1:09:23say stop it please
1:09:29nine seconds
1:09:43[Music]
1:09:46he's advising that his wife and child
1:09:49was shot okay and Sir give me the
1:09:51address again
1:09:54341-47 Smallville Road I've been up to
1:09:58it now it's fast okay
1:10:03well when you when you say I've been up
1:10:05to it now and it's bad what are you
1:10:07referring to
1:10:10I'm talking about what I saw was what
1:10:13y'all saw pictures of and I mean it was
1:10:15bad it was terrible
1:10:20and and when I first got there
1:10:25um
1:10:26I know I got out of the car
1:10:30um
1:10:38and I mean I know I I got out of the car
1:10:40I mean I knew
1:10:52got out of the car but
1:10:55right at first I don't I don't I didn't
1:10:59go I don't think I'm I went all the way
1:11:02to them I think I ran back in in and
1:11:05that's when I called 9-1-1 and so I
1:11:08called 9-1-1 and while I was doing that
1:11:10then is when I went to Maggie and I went
1:11:14to Paul and so that's what I think I'm
1:11:17talking about okay
1:11:20keep going please
1:11:31do it down fast okay how do they shoot
1:11:35no they shoot themselves
1:11:37oh no hell no
1:11:41[Music]
1:11:43okay and are they breathing
1:11:46no ma'am okay and you said it's your
1:11:48wife and your son
1:11:50my wife and my son
1:11:53are they in a vehicle
1:11:55no man they're on the ground out of my
1:11:57kennels
1:12:00[Music]
1:12:09really bad
1:12:12so okay where is it where is
1:12:16ma'am I don't know but it has blood
1:12:19everywhere
1:12:20um
1:12:23his brain
1:12:27yeah
1:12:31okay is he breathing at all no no
1:12:37okay do you see anything do you see
1:12:40anyone in the area
1:12:42Snowman
1:12:44is there any guns near them at all
1:12:48either
1:12:52[Music]
1:12:54what color is your house on the outside
1:12:56if that's what you're asking I didn't
1:12:58keep themselves man what
1:13:02well right right in there you say the
1:13:05word here
1:13:07what are you calling anybody or anything
1:13:11no I'm talking to that dispatcher and
1:13:14what did you mean when you said here
1:13:18if you listen to that call
1:13:22one of the first things she asked me
1:13:30it's one of the first things she asked
1:13:31me was did they shoot themselves
1:13:34and I knew knew there's no way
1:13:38I mean I knew they didn't shoot himself
1:13:40they just
1:13:42it wasn't a gun it didn't shoot
1:13:45themselves
1:13:46and she'd asked me that
1:13:48and then she asked me another question
1:13:50something about that and
1:13:55you hear me say here and then you hear
1:13:57thing talking I'm telling her here and
1:14:01then I say something and then you hear
1:14:03me say
1:14:05if that's what you're asking and I'm
1:14:07letting her know
1:14:10they didn't shoot themselves
1:14:13I'm saying here and then I give her an
1:14:15explanation which you can't hear on that
1:14:17phone but it's obvious to me what I'm
1:14:18doing
1:14:19and I say if that's what you're asking
1:14:22me
1:14:25so like David Owens asked me on August
1:14:2811th that I call a dog or was I talking
1:14:30to somebody there was no dog that was
1:14:32out and there was nobody there
1:14:35well let's talk about that briefly well
1:14:37when you got
1:14:39there and you saw Maggie and Paul what
1:14:42where were the dogs
1:14:45the dogs were
1:14:47in the kennels they would yet dogs were
1:14:50in the kennels they were wherever they
1:14:51were when law enforcement got there and
1:14:53you've seen pictures and they called
1:14:56Dell Davis to the stand and talk about
1:14:57the hose rolled up did you roll the hose
1:15:00up no
1:15:02did you do anything down there at the
1:15:04kennels when you got there other than
1:15:06called 9-1-1 and attend to Maggie Paul
1:15:11no I I do know that I I was trying to
1:15:14find flashlight
1:15:16I was trying to find a gun
1:15:19um
1:15:20other than those things
1:15:23no I didn't do I didn't do anything at
1:15:25the kennel I didn't do anything with any
1:15:27hose
1:15:28I didn't do anything with any dogs
1:15:32was there anybody with you no
1:15:36all right keep going please
1:15:46it's a house okay and what is your name
1:15:50my name is Alex Murdoch
1:15:55okay did you hear anything or did you
1:15:57come home in time now but I've been gone
1:16:04okay
1:16:08no ma'am
1:16:10everybody
1:16:13[Applause]
1:16:16please hurry we're getting somebody out
1:16:19there to you
1:16:26oh
1:16:32I'm Gonna Know
1:16:36Ellie
1:16:41we just heard you say I should have
1:16:42known what are you referring to I said
1:16:45Papa I should have known
1:16:49what were you referring to
1:16:51I was referring Paul Paul got so many
1:16:53threats
1:17:00didn't take Serious
1:17:03think twice about
1:17:06some just telling him Papa I should have
1:17:08known
1:17:13I won't specifically remember saying
1:17:15that but I can clearly hear myself say
1:17:17that
1:17:20okay
1:17:22what what kind of threats did you
1:17:24understand
1:17:24Paul is receiving
1:17:31I mean Paul got
1:17:34he got the most vile threats
1:17:37I mean the stuff that was on social
1:17:40media I mean it was
1:17:45I mean she couldn't believe it
1:17:49you couldn't believe it
1:17:51it was so over the top
1:17:54truthfully we didn't think anything
1:17:55about it I mean it was just so crazy
1:17:58that you know we just
1:18:01I mean
1:18:04people talking about what he was going
1:18:06to get and how they were going to do
1:18:08this and get him and I mean it's it's
1:18:10stuff you really I mean you you
1:18:13we
1:18:15disregarded it because
1:18:19so over the top thought it's so over the
1:18:21top
1:18:24keep going please
1:18:34okay what is her name
1:18:38Maggie
1:18:41Maggie is her name
1:18:44yes ma'am okay
1:18:47when's the last time you talked to me
1:18:52hour and a half ago probably two hours
1:18:54ago
1:18:57what
1:18:59[Music]
1:19:03okay
1:19:05he said about two hours ago you talked
1:19:08to them
1:19:11yes we have a problem
1:19:14well you were asked the last time you
1:19:18saw them
1:19:19and you said hour and a half two hours
1:19:22ago and then she followed up two hours
1:19:24ago you just heard that I did hear that
1:19:27um and I said approximately to her
1:19:30question
1:19:35when was the last time you saw them
1:19:38Maggie and Paul
1:19:40right after I
1:19:42took the chicken
1:19:43from Bubba
1:19:45and the
1:19:47video we've seen as time stamp 844
1:19:51p.m is that correct
1:19:56that's right
1:19:58so was it shortly after 8 44. it was
1:20:02and it wasn't long after that because
1:20:04you can hear when Bubba gets the chicken
1:20:06and it wasn't long after I took the
1:20:09chicken from it that I left
1:20:11and then you called 9-1-1 the records of
1:20:15that but do you remember roughly 907 or
1:20:17right before 907
1:20:20I mean I've seen the records and seen
1:20:22the um transcripts yeah
1:20:25and then this is and the records of this
1:20:28but this is some minutes into the
1:20:29conversation with 9-1-1 operators
1:20:31correct that's right
1:20:34knowing everything we know now I mean
1:20:36was it roughly an hour and a half the
1:20:38last time you saw him it was that would
1:20:41with the time of however long it took to
1:20:43get to this point how many minutes that
1:20:45is
1:20:4610 10
1:20:47how however many you can look exactly
1:20:50and see what point this is and know what
1:20:52time it is but it's between 10 and 10
1:20:5415. and so I've seen them around
1:21:008 45
1:21:02a little bit after
1:21:07all right please keep going
1:21:12[Laughter]
1:21:16who are in person he talked to her in
1:21:19person
1:21:22and please hurry
1:21:25up okay
1:21:31[Music]
1:21:33and you sure they're not breathing
1:21:36foreign
1:22:01[Music]
1:22:10I'm about
1:22:13did you go back to the house and get a
1:22:15gun I did
1:22:17and there's
1:22:20just a gun that that you got
1:22:24and how did you load this gun what I
1:22:26mean what did you load it with if
1:22:28anything
1:22:31that was gun
1:22:32as best I can remember I believe I got
1:22:35that gun off the pool table where you
1:22:36heard
1:22:37there was some other guns I think that
1:22:39gun was laying with that photo I'm not
1:22:41positive but I'm pretty sure it was on
1:22:42that pool table that would have been the
1:22:45first place I came to I'd know I was
1:22:46grabbing the first gun I could get I
1:22:49grabbed a handful of shells out of the
1:22:51um
1:22:53that I can get my hands on I know to I
1:22:56know the gun had a shell in it
1:22:59um
1:23:00that I loaded and I I know I had a few
1:23:02shells so
1:23:04have you seen in this case where there's
1:23:07a 16 gauge shelf put in that gun I've
1:23:10seen in the records and I've seen and
1:23:12heard in the testimony that put a 16
1:23:14gauge shell in the gun is that a
1:23:1716 gauge shotgun it's not a 16 gauge
1:23:21shotgun so why did you put a 16 gauge
1:23:23shell in it I obviously didn't realize
1:23:26what I was doing
1:23:28I mean I know you can't put a 16 gauge
1:23:31shell in a 12 gauge gun and not I mean
1:23:34I've been hunting my whole life I know
1:23:36you can't do that that's
1:23:38it's not a mistake I would have met
1:23:40that's not a mistake I'd have made under
1:23:42any circumstances other than
1:23:46that night
1:23:49why did you go back to the house and get
1:23:51a gun
1:23:55I just didn't know I didn't know I mean
1:24:01you know
1:24:09solidly
1:24:14I mean it's just
1:24:17I I didn't know if somebody was still
1:24:19out there I don't know I guess I I
1:24:22didn't know
1:24:25[Music]
1:24:26please keep going
1:24:29sisters
1:24:33and does anything without a place
1:24:42[Music]
1:24:44not not particularly really no man okay
1:24:53um
1:24:54go back to where he's he said he's going
1:24:56to my house to get a gun just just a few
1:24:59seconds back 10 seconds maybe
1:25:11some more
1:25:13I help just to get a gun just in case
1:25:25227
1:25:26I'm going back to my house just to get a
1:25:29gun just in case
1:25:32I'm about 100 yards in my house
1:25:38well you said you're about a 100 yards
1:25:40from
1:25:42the house
1:25:43that's what I said
1:25:45is it much further than that
1:25:48I mean as you've heard in the
1:25:50testimonious 1100 and something feet but
1:25:55okay
1:25:56I said I was 100 yards maybe you were
1:25:58wrong about your estimate I'm sure I was
1:26:01wrong okay keep going
1:26:06and does anything without a place
1:26:13on us
1:26:14[Music]
1:26:17not not particularly really no ma'am
1:26:20okay
1:26:29what I know you're upset Mr Murdock yeah
1:26:33I don't want you to get a diamond and
1:26:34have a donut whenever my officers get
1:26:36there okay
1:26:38I will not do that he's been being
1:26:41threatened by my sons
1:26:45for months and months and months
1:26:48he's been hit several times and
1:26:52um
1:27:03[Music]
1:27:14[Music]
1:27:24I have another son now okay
1:27:41all right I'm going back down there
1:27:43[Music]
1:27:53[Laughter]
1:27:56[Music]
1:28:07all right roll to roll to the um
1:28:12the next table the same goal
1:28:20[Music]
1:28:24s
1:28:26[Music]
1:28:36for the close maps
1:28:47foreign
1:28:48[Music]
1:28:54[Music]
1:28:57[Applause]
1:29:17[Music]
1:29:21foreign
1:29:52not only that second clip starts it
1:29:5722 13 10 13
1:30:0058 and and your ass don't I mean you're
1:30:03told don't touch them how do you touch
1:30:05them by then
1:30:07yes
1:30:10and that way you told the 9-1-1 operator
1:30:12that is
1:30:13and um
1:30:15I mean can you say exactly
1:30:18during that
1:30:21six seven minutes
1:30:23when you actually touch them
1:30:28I know I touched Maggie
1:30:34um
1:30:39I'm gonna touch Maggie several times but
1:30:42I mean I think
1:30:44I didn't
1:30:47I don't think I touched Papa
1:30:51but two times
1:30:55did you touch uh
1:30:57one or both of them before you got in
1:31:00the car and drove back to the house
1:31:02yes yeah
1:31:05one or both you know both both
1:31:11all right keep going please
1:31:21[Music]
1:31:30oh yeah
1:31:37okay and did your son I know you said
1:31:40that he had been threatened did your son
1:31:42make reports of this at all
1:31:47yes ma'am
1:31:51well you informed the 911 operator that
1:31:55that Paul had made reports of these
1:31:57threats what are you referring to I mean
1:32:00I I just know that it had been reported
1:32:02I don't know that
1:32:05I mean I don't believe there was any
1:32:06like formal police reports or
1:32:10um
1:32:11that type of thing but I mean it had
1:32:14been reported and I mean it was it was
1:32:16well known okay
1:32:18so were you saying he had filed some
1:32:21official report when you said yes no I
1:32:24never thought I never I never thought
1:32:26there was a police report or some formal
1:32:28report
1:32:30like that no
1:32:33do you know whether or not he made
1:32:36some type of reported on campus oh I
1:32:39know he did what do you know I mean I
1:32:41know that there was a
1:32:46there was a time
1:32:49when he went to he was asked to come
1:32:52meet with um
1:32:55God I can't even remember the
1:32:56gentleman's name now but
1:33:02I appreciated it so much and I never
1:33:04thought I'd forget it but
1:33:07it's a part of student Counseling
1:33:08Services yeah he was the dean of
1:33:10students um
1:33:12but anyway
1:33:14he reached out to Papa and wanted to
1:33:16talk to him and um I mean at first we
1:33:19were concerned you know why did they why
1:33:21they want to talk to him and I mean even
1:33:25I believe I had Paul come talk to you
1:33:28about that because we were concerned
1:33:30what are they going to talk to him about
1:33:31but when Paul and Jim got there it turns
1:33:35out that
1:33:36it was really just
1:33:44I mean they were wanting to make sure he
1:33:45was okay
1:33:47but you know
1:33:49this make sure he was okay and and know
1:33:53that you know they were aware of the
1:33:55threats or some level of threats and so
1:33:59yeah I mean
1:34:00it had already been reported to them
1:34:04keep going Doug
1:34:08[Music]
1:34:13so what's your son's name
1:34:15people
1:34:17oh
1:34:19man I'm gonna call I I need you to call
1:34:22some of my family
1:34:25give me a favor for me whenever you see
1:34:28the officer or the Medics because
1:34:30they're all coming to you can you put
1:34:32your gun in your vehicle for me
1:34:34absolutely okay
1:34:37on your vehicle so they can see you okay
1:34:43[Music]
1:34:45you got the flashers on for me
1:34:47okay
1:34:56okay how old is your son
1:34:5922. okay all right we're getting them
1:35:03out there to you okay
1:35:06all right
1:35:12so Alec
1:35:13um
1:35:15did you call family after you got off
1:35:18the call with no on the with the
1:35:20operator
1:35:21yes
1:35:22who's your call
1:35:24I know I called my brother Randy
1:35:27um I know I called my brother John
1:35:30and I know I tried to call rora well
1:35:33rero is not family but I called Randy
1:35:35and John
1:35:36and I yeah I called Randy and John and
1:35:38then you just mentioned
1:35:41Roto
1:35:43Rogan we call him I call him row row
1:35:48why did you try to call Rogan
1:35:54um
1:35:54I mean Rogan
1:35:58Rogan's house was like
1:36:02I don't know as the crow flies maybe two
1:36:04and a half miles three miles
1:36:07um
1:36:07[Music]
1:36:09I mean Rogan was like family
1:36:14did you think he was the closest person
1:36:16yeah I just wanted somebody
1:36:18I wanted somebody to be out there
1:36:23have you seen Rogan's name on Paul's
1:36:27phone and any anyway that night no
1:36:37you called um
1:36:40did Rogan answer
1:36:42no did you try try multiple times
1:36:46looking at these records I believe that
1:36:48I did but I believe some of those are
1:36:51um like the Face Time calls that are to
1:36:55Rogan
1:36:56I mean I'm trying to call him but I
1:36:58don't believe that was me actually
1:37:01I didn't FaceTime I mean I didn't
1:37:03FaceTime people so that I think that's
1:37:06either me trying to call him and hitting
1:37:08FaceTime or that's me hitting
1:37:11um
1:37:13buttons are hitting the phone
1:37:16and the uh
1:37:17State's exhibit 519 which is
1:37:21the condensed timeline done by agent
1:37:25rudofsky
1:37:26there's an indication of Alec that at 10
1:37:302209 you opened a group text message
1:37:33from Michael Gunn stating she brought
1:37:36the heat for Miami Boys
1:37:38were you reading text messages from
1:37:40Michael Gunn right after you got off
1:37:41with the 911 operator I heard them ask
1:37:43that question I can promise you I wasn't
1:37:45reading any text messages
1:37:55there's also an entry
1:37:59outlet that says
1:38:03at 10 40 P.M
1:38:05you did a Google search or Safari
1:38:08browser search
1:38:09for Whaley's at Edisto
1:38:11while your wife and son are laying dead
1:38:13on the ground did you do that no
1:38:16Whaley's is a restaurant at Edisto that
1:38:18we ate at a lot of times we got take out
1:38:21from a lot of times so I'm assuming it
1:38:23was in my search history pulling up the
1:38:26restaurant and obviously was trying to
1:38:29call people or dialing and I I hit that
1:38:31I wasn't doing any Google searches
1:38:35and as one of the persons that you
1:38:37dialed that night of a wedding
1:38:39photographer
1:38:41well it's a guy named Brian White I saw
1:38:43that on the call log Brian White's a guy
1:38:46who was in my
1:38:47um
1:38:48what do you call it
1:38:50um contacts that
1:38:52is a um a videographer that I've used in
1:38:56cases I haven't used him in two years
1:38:57and he's a good guy but we're not
1:39:00personal friends so I certainly wasn't
1:39:02calling him
1:39:05so were you
1:39:10what what does that indicate to you that
1:39:12those actions on your phone what how do
1:39:15you account for that you know obviously
1:39:17they're unintentional I mean I'm doing
1:39:19something with my phone trying to call
1:39:21people but I'm not trying to call those
1:39:23people I'm not doing a Google search for
1:39:26any Whaley's restaurant and I'm
1:39:27certainly not reading any texts
1:39:34I want to ask you um
1:39:37Jury Room for a break for about 10
1:39:41minutes please do not discuss the police
1:40:18we'll take a 10 minute recess step down
1:40:21it's not special testimony

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