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0:00Hello everyone. I'm here meow and
0:03welcome to my channel.
0:05Tonight we bring you part two of the
0:06Diane Downs secret phone recordings. If
0:09you missed part one with the first three
0:10calls, I suggest you check it out. If
0:12you're not sure who Diane Downs is,
0:14she's the psychopath mother who shot all
0:16three of her kids and then shot herself
0:18in the arm blaming the crime on a bushy
0:20haired man that she stopped to pick up
0:22in the middle of the road. Now she
0:24really shot her kids because her
0:25ex-boyfriend, Nick Knickerbocker, did
0:27not want kids just like Susan Smith and
0:29so like any
0:31decided to fix that problem by trying to
0:33kill them. She's been in prison for the
0:35past 40 years. She recently went up for
0:36parole, which we also did a video on
0:38that. So if you want to check that out
0:40as well, it's in the Diane Downs
0:41playlist. The calls we are listening to
0:43are between Diane and Nick
0:45Knickerbocker. They occur approximately
0:47two months after the crime and are
0:49secretly being recorded by Nick. I don't
0:51think that there are necessarily any
0:53huge revelations in them, but it's
0:54interesting to see how consistently
0:56inconsistent Diane Downs is over four
0:59decades. Now if this is your first time
1:00watching, I just want to go ahead and
1:02take a moment to clarify exactly what
1:03this channel is. This is a commentary
1:06channel with a lot of commentary. I
1:08enjoy having discussions with my
1:10co-hosts and it's the main reason I do
1:11the show, to interact with people and
1:13hopefully provide some much needed
1:15laughter.
1:16If you are looking for the source
1:17material without commentary, that is
1:19totally fine. I always have it linked in
1:21the description below, but that's not
1:22what this show is about because like
1:24many other channels, you can see the
1:26source content any number of places. So
1:29why would you watch here if you don't
1:30like having a discussion with me and the
1:32co-host? And if you are new, go ahead
1:34and make sure to check out the rest of
1:36our content. There's playlists in the
1:38description below of all the different
1:39people that we cover such as Diane
1:41Downs, Sara Boone, Lauren Armstrong,
1:44crazy people in general. So with that
1:47said, everyone who's here live, welcome.
1:50I thoroughly enjoy reading the chat
1:51afterwards on replay when I can't
1:53necessarily follow along running the
1:55show. And of course everyone on replay
1:56crew, I love reading your post stream
1:58comments as well. And lastly, if you do
2:00enjoy the content, please make sure to
2:01hit the like button
2:03or else.
2:04[Music]
2:05[Laughter]
2:07So let's start the show.
2:08[Music]
2:28Hello everyone. Welcome to part two of
2:32Diane Downs, the secret tapes.
2:36Uh Suma is not here yet, but X Derek is.
2:39Let me bring up X Derek. How are you, X
2:40Derek?
2:41Good and you?
2:44Uh I'm well. Kylie Phoenix, are you
2:47doing the mailbag anymore? I happened to
2:49catch that in an old episode and it was
2:50hilarious.
2:50>> Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
2:52Yeah, I could. I mean I've it's
2:55it's all about time and resources, but
2:58if people
2:59email me stuff that they want to, but in
3:01there I'll give you a hint. None of
3:03those
3:04original
3:06viewer mails were
3:08real because I think we were streaming
3:10to like two people
3:13with a surprising
3:15surprising uh level of activity in the
3:18viewer mailbag compared to the viewers.
3:24Anyway, we are on to the last three
3:27calls here.
3:28So um
3:30yeah, don't forget to hit that like
3:32button because at some point I'm going
3:34to check the numbers and we might have a
3:37problem. Just kidding.
3:39Uh let's see here.
3:41It's this one.
3:43So if you remember yesterday
3:45basically all all the stuff yesterday
3:46was about the lie detector, right? Her
3:48his her panic about him taking a lie
3:50detector test.
3:51>> Not so much in the last call though.
3:53>> Not so much in the last call cuz he's
3:54just saying I don't believe anything,
3:56you know, is that why you killed your
3:57kids? Yeah. So is that why you killed
4:00your kids?
4:02Um
4:04yeah. So this is more of
4:07I'd say this conspiracy theory
4:09starting to hang here. The first call is
4:12an hour.
4:13So The
4:15is this where the FBI guys start to come
4:17in?
4:18Um
4:19well, I don't want to ruin it. Okay. I I
4:22mean I
4:23I don't know specifically. I only I mean
4:25I've listened to them. I don't remember
4:26which ones come when. Okay. All right.
4:31All right.
4:34Nope, that's not it. This is it.
4:45There's Suma. Welcome, Suma. Thank you.
4:48Just in time. We just hit play on the
4:51call. Okay.
4:57Okay, here I am.
5:01Hello. Hello.
5:04I don't even know why I'm calling. I
5:06guess I just need to talk or need
5:08somebody else to talk or something.
5:13Well, what's up? What's the problem?
5:15I'm just lonely.
5:18Ever since Christie
5:20Going to move you over here, Suma, cuz
5:22you got this.
5:25Subtitles and
5:28It's fine.
5:32been around. I've had
5:36somebody.
5:39I just really hard.
5:44It's spoiled me, I guess.
5:47Well.
5:48Uh we've had somebody to say I love you
5:50or
5:51hug me or something.
5:53Well, you still live with your parents,
5:55aren't you? Uh it's not the same.
6:00They don't say I love you and they don't
6:02hug.
6:07[Applause]
6:14Well.
6:15I need
6:17You're upset. I'm scared.
6:20Well, Diane, you're not going to get
6:21them till all this shit's over with.
6:23I know.
6:25Ain't that's all there is to it.
6:29And my last uh I don't know if it's the
6:31last call or if it's the one you sent me
6:33or
6:34I don't know which one, the one I read,
6:36but
6:38it's even looking worse for you.
6:41Why?
6:43Well, it says you ran over Danny and
6:45with the car No, that's what they're
6:47teaching Danny to say.
6:50She ran over one of the kids with the
6:52car? Danny did get run over by a car.
6:57That's what they're teaching him to say.
7:00So um
7:03I mean I think this came up last night
7:04at some point briefly, but
7:06yeah, running him over with the car. I
7:08think maybe she said that they said he
7:09was run over by a car. Some I couldn't
7:12find any
7:13I mean I didn't search extensively, but
7:15I tried to looking to see if this was
7:16like confirmed or any part of the trial.
7:18I couldn't find that. I mean it sounds
7:20like it's in her wheelhouse, but I'll
7:21take a look.
7:22>> Yeah, definitely, right? It's not out of
7:24the realm of possibility.
7:26The trailer fires were mentioned
7:29and the brainwashing of
7:31who was it?
7:34Chrissy?
7:34>> Uh Chrissy uh Christie.
7:37Everyone's got like almost the same
7:38name. It's so irritating and it happens
7:40a lot of these things. Christie, Cheryl,
7:42Charlene.
7:45Um
7:46but
7:49why would they coach your child to say
7:52Mommy ran you over?
7:54Right?
7:56Yeah.
7:56>> You would have to have evidence. Right?
7:58Like of because either the if let's say
8:01this is didn't happen there's going to
8:03be plenty of evidence not supporting
8:05that he was run over by a car, which the
8:07defense will bring up and you'll lose.
8:08>> Right.
8:09Yeah. If he did get run over by the car,
8:11there's going to be plenty of evidence
8:13and it doesn't matter what Danny says.
8:14He's going to be like, well, these are
8:15the
8:16telltale marks of being run over by a
8:18car. Only mothers get away parents get
8:20away with
8:22usually. I mean I can't say
8:23definitively, but you normally parents
8:25get away with telling their kids what to
8:26say and that doesn't last forever
8:28either. No, Diane Downs did not shoot
8:31her son. She No, she did not run over
8:33her son. She shot him and her two
8:35daughters with a handgun.
8:37She then drove them to the hospital very
8:39slowly. That's my addition.
8:40>> At like 4 miles an hour. Right. She
8:42pushed the car to the hospital claiming
8:44to be out of gas. No.
8:46Uh and claimed a bushy haired stranger
8:48had carjacked and shot them.
8:50But did she run over Danny on
8:54>> with the No, Diane Downs did not run
8:56over her son.
9:00But on the way?
9:02Oh, on the way? Yeah, she she speeds
9:05off. She goes
9:06and she's like, oh [ __ ] Maybe I should
9:08have said Nobody would do that.
9:12All right.
9:15Well, I don't know if I can
9:17go along with that. I don't think that
9:19you know, kids ain't going
9:22Well, I don't know about Danny. He's
9:23just 3 years old. Ain't no telling what
9:25he'd say.
9:28They know what happened to Danny. I I
9:30think if a 3-year-old got run over by a
9:31car, they'd probably be dead. Just me
9:33personally. It doesn't seem like man
9:35versus machine in that instance works
9:37out too well for
9:39Yeah. Maybe his it maybe his foot got
9:41run over. Maybe that's what they mean.
9:43>> are kind of rubbery at that age. They
9:45could
9:45>> It's true.
9:46I think he got shot and run over with a
9:49by a car. If he did, Danny's one tough
9:52little kid. Yeah, well, that's why he's
9:54fine. He's totally fine with the
9:55>> Tough man now. thing, yeah.
9:59Yeah, Kathleen brings up an interesting
10:00point. Danny was only three when this
10:02happened, so they won't have him testify
10:04due to his age. So, what's the benefits
10:05of brainwashing him? Um, I think the
10:08benefits are clear. To to
10:10hurt Diane. That's what they're doing.
10:12They're entirely doing this just to make
10:14Diane feel bad.
10:20They know what happened to Christie.
10:28I guess I just get tired of all the
10:29publicity.
10:31She's so put out by all of this. She's
10:33poor Diane.
10:36Well, I love this next part. Yeah.
10:38All right, tell me to keep your ass off
10:39TV and not talk to first. It wasn't
10:42You know what happened the last time I
10:43went down to the sheriff's office.
10:46Friday.
10:48Just to tell him.
10:50Just to talk to him. They said I'm not
10:52cooperating. So, I went down there to
10:53try and help out again.
10:56And to tell him either throw me in jail
10:57or give me my kids back. Somebody put
10:59that on TV. I don't know how they found
11:01out about it.
11:03Somebody Well, that was in the article
11:04you sent me. What?
11:06That was in the article you sent me. I
11:08know, but I not that I went to the
11:09sheriff's office.
11:11No, either throw me in jail or let me
11:13have the kids back. Yeah, I've been
11:14saying that for a long time.
11:17Oh, yeah, move in. Give me ball.
11:22Ba ba ba ba ba basketball.
11:25Ba ba ba ba ba basketball. Give me give
11:27me give me the ball because I'm going to
11:29dunk you.
11:32All day I had it in my mind. I woke up
11:33with it in my mind.
11:34Yeah, now you know how I feel about
11:37Jess the dog of dogs.
11:41No, but
11:44She's like, I'm tired of the publicity.
11:46Yet, she's going down there making these
11:47spectacles. Like, throw me in jail or
11:49give me throw me in damn jail. Give me
11:51my damn kids back, sheriff. Like, what
11:53the kids aren't even there. She's
11:55invited the newspaper crew down there.
11:57They're like, "Ma'am, this is the front
11:59desk. This is the bond desk. Are you Are
12:01you bailing somebody out?" This is
12:03Marshall's. When does she get to go
12:05home?
12:06I'm searching up anything about Danny
12:09being run over. I can't find the thing.
12:11>> Yeah, that's what I said. I can't find
12:12anything. He was not run over.
12:15Diane wouldn't do that.
12:17She'd only shoot him. She's not a
12:19monster.
12:21I mean, running him over would look
12:24even worse.
12:26And she it it's always it's another
12:29weird contrast. She's always talking
12:30about, "I hate I wish this was over or,
12:32you know, why are they hassling me?" And
12:33then she's going, "Arrest me or give me
12:35my kids." No, Diane, that's not the way
12:37it works. No.
12:39They're going to wait to arrest you when
12:40they have enough evidence to convict
12:42you.
12:43Yeah, and they're not going to do what
12:44you want.
12:47Well, did she hear her tell all those
12:48stories yesterday they have all about
12:49all the people that committed all these
12:50crimes that didn't get arrested? That's
12:52how corrupt this this place is.
12:54Yeah, they just can't wait to
12:57you know, target single moms trying to
13:00make their way. White single moms.
13:07I went down to Burke's office.
13:09The main guy.
13:13I told him that.
13:17Somebody put it on TV and some lady
13:18called and she says,
13:20"You have really got a lot of guts."
13:23And I said, "Why?" And she said, "I
13:25don't know of anybody else that would go
13:27to the sheriff's office and say, 'Throw
13:29me in jail or give me my kids.'"
13:33So, that's that's what's going on.
13:34Everything is so crazy here.
13:37The guys
13:38I went back to work. You know that.
13:41And you were right. As long as I just
13:42get out there and go to work, my legs
13:43will be fine. My legs don't hurt
13:45anymore. Well, they do.
13:48But every day somebody
13:51somebody picks me out and says something
13:53to me. Usually about three people.
13:55And guys come up and they just think I'm
13:57fantastic because I'm standing up to the
13:59police force.
14:01Guys And the women all think I'm great
14:02cuz I'm a woman and I'm doing it.
14:04And the little kids Little kids don't
14:06say mean things to me anymore. You know
14:08what they say now?
14:10"Are you that lady with the kids that
14:11got shot?" And I say, "Yeah."
14:13And they're like, "Wow, I got to go tell
14:15so-and-so. Guess who I saw today? That
14:17lady. She's famous."
14:24Now, remember this is only 11 days after
14:26the call we ended with last night,
14:28right? Where she's being She's a public
14:30pariah. But now suddenly in 11 weeks
14:32everyone's coming up
14:33These stories don't even sound remotely
14:36true or remotely possible. Nobody's
14:39coming up and crying No mother is going
14:43to come up and say
14:44to the person that's suspected of
14:46shooting her kids, "I can't believe they
14:48are keeping the other two away from
14:50you." Or no kid's going to be like,
14:51"Wow, I met you." Like, she's not a
14:55They're going to say that I'm about a
14:55baseball player or something. I don't
14:57know what Whatever they're doing in the
14:58'80s. Maybe a wrestler. Not Diane Downs.
15:01If you shot your children
15:04or no, if somebody stopped, you know,
15:06carjacked you, shot I'm listening. all
15:08three of your kids
15:10and you were being
15:13kind of looked at, you know, side-eyed
15:14for it. Your kids One of them is dead.
15:17One of them is paralyzed and the other
15:19one can't talk anymore or think.
15:21Do you think that you would be talking
15:23about
15:24anything else?
15:25No.
15:27Would you be talking about this one's
15:28talking to me and that one's talking to
15:29me and that one's looking at me and this
15:31one says this. Would you would you be at
15:32work? Would you be talking about any of
15:34this? I mean, it's so [ __ ] crazy.
15:38And the guys like me because I'm
15:39standing up to the police and the women
15:41like me because I stand up to the police
15:43and I'm a woman. Yeah.
15:45Like they're like, "Hey, sexy." No
15:47mention Where she seeing these people on
15:49her mail mail route? I I don't know.
15:52>> why did her legs hurt and what the [ __ ]
15:53is she talking about?
15:54>> Yeah, why why did she mention her legs?
15:57I don't know.
15:58She's crazy. Yeah.
16:03It's just
16:06She is the type of person I could
16:08imagine being like, "And after the kids
16:10saw me and they were so excited, then
16:13everyone around stood up and gave me a
16:15round of applause." No, as as soon as
16:18they saw her
16:19As soon as they saw her, Danny got up
16:21and walked to her.
16:23She stood up and then
16:26Christie started talking. She's like, "I
16:28love you, Mommy."
16:30Yeah.
16:31And then the slow clap starts.
16:33Yep.
16:35Right.
16:37And then they start throwing tomatoes at
16:38the sheriff's office.
16:39[Laughter]
16:41And her parents. Leave this woman alone.
16:48I just get so tired of it. Today I was
16:50taking lunch. I was I was still on the
16:52walking route.
16:54And I sit on this great big Oh, this is
16:56the lady. I I mixed this up. This hadn't
16:58happened yet.
16:59>> milk crate to eat my lunch. While I
17:01don't eat, but to sit there and have a
17:02Coke.
17:04And I was just sitting there thinking
17:05about Cheryl and everything else.
17:09And some lady came walking up and just
17:11sat down and cried with me.
17:15[ __ ]
17:16It did not happen.
17:18First of all, you haven't cried yet. And
17:20if you did
17:23That's a good point. She You would have
17:24to be crying for her to cry with you.
17:26Yeah.
17:27Just sat next to me and started crying.
17:28I was like, "What's wrong with you?"
17:29>> Sat down next to me and started laughing
17:31with me.
17:34People I don't even know.
17:37But it just isn't the same.
17:42Nobody knows Cheryl like Christie and
17:45Danny.
17:47I can't just talk to anybody about that.
17:51Well, there's nothing I hate her voice
17:54right now. Like
17:59Ba ba ba ba basketball.
18:01Ba ba ba ba ba basketball.
18:04[Music]
18:05Give me give me give me the ball. I
18:07didn't know about it, did I?
18:08I don't know.
18:10And you know what happened?
18:12I told him why that this is something
18:13else I read now. Why can't you wait so
18:15long about uh
18:17telling her that the picture you gave
18:19him wasn't the real person?
18:21What man?
18:21[Laughter]
18:27Uh
18:29I didn't even call them. I told them at
18:31the very beginning, the second day on
18:33Friday. That's true. Something From
18:35Tracy was doing the drawing.
18:38I told him right then it wasn't right.
18:43He was just being an [ __ ] and
18:45impatient, so I said, "Fine, just put it
18:47in that way."
18:50The reason I waited is because I figured
18:51they'd still at least look for the guy
18:54and then if they started bringing in a
18:55bunch of people, I could still pick him
18:57out cuz the eyes and nose and mouth were
18:59right.
19:01And then people started calling us cuz
19:02the sheriff's department wasn't calling
19:04them back. Mhm.
19:06So, I started going out and looking at
19:07people that they were calling in on.
19:09And everybody they were seeing was fat.
19:13And he wasn't fat.
19:17So, I decided to just have a new picture
19:19made.
19:23I mean
19:26Diane Downs, there is no way everyone in
19:29the universe can universally be against
19:31you without knowing the facts, right?
19:34You're saying that the sketch artist and
19:35this would have happened like right
19:37away, right? This The sketch artist
19:39would have happened the day first day or
19:40two. The sketch artist is just making a
19:42sketch. He's not going
19:44He's not getting orders from the chief
19:45of police being like, "We're We got to
19:47find somebody to hang this on. So, uh
19:49You ever hear the sketch with chief of
19:51police being like, "Get that sketch
19:52artist on the phone, stat."
19:56I mean, you came up with the thing and I
19:58highly
19:59I highly doubt he was sitting there
20:00being like, "Hurry up. Hurry up." It was
20:03probably, if I'm guessing Diane Downs,
20:05based on the way you talk, you were
20:07going on about a bunch of [ __ ] that
20:09doesn't matter it and he's like, "Okay,
20:11but can we focus the eyes? The eyes what
20:14color were they?" Well,
20:16>> about how much you love carnations. Were
20:18his eyes close together or far apart? Do
20:20you know if Nick's called has Nick
20:22called back the station? Ma'am, what
20:24color hair? Oh my god, they said Chris
20:27Hughes was going to die. I don't even
20:29know which one it is.
20:31Ma'am, Good, Diane Downs.
20:35That's probably why he got flustered and
20:36he'd be like, "What? If you're not going
20:38to tell me anything about how he looks,
20:39I can't do this." He would still be
20:41there. And
20:42>> Fine, just make it that way then.
20:45These calls like in this particular call
20:47especially, it seems like Nick is so
20:50like
20:52maybe I'm projecting here, but I feel
20:53like she turns his stomach. I don't
20:55know, sometimes he's nicer to her than I
20:58don't I think that he might be one of
21:00kind of a pushover a little bit or he's
21:03just has to keep it going. I don't know,
21:05I can't tell.
21:06I'd thought that since he
21:08we don't know he doesn't know the full
21:10story, right? At this point, the
21:12possibility could still be that she had
21:15she did this with an accomplice like
21:16another man or something, right? So not
21:18necessarily that she shot her kids. Just
21:20that she was there and got them shot.
21:22Like it was it was obviously her plan
21:25and her doing.
21:26But she's lying about everything, so I
21:29don't know if he's convinced that she
21:31necessarily shot them herself,
21:33but she obviously doesn't care about
21:35them and so he's disgusted with that.
21:36>> with the police, right? He's just
21:38>> not working with the police. Okay,
21:39that's what I thought. He's just
21:41preparing. Right, he's just getting
21:43ready for when this [ __ ] points fingers
21:46him, so to speak. Yep. Mhm.
21:49My brother did it for me.
21:51Oh, good. Your brother's a professional
21:52sketch artist? Jesus.
21:55Well, that's what you told me.
21:59But everything's the same except that
22:00he's not fat.
22:02His hair doesn't look like straw.
22:10The whole world's gone crazy. I don't
22:12know what's going on. Well,
22:15Diane, the whole world ain't gone crazy.
22:16The whole world is just the same as it
22:18always is, always was, always will be.
22:24Oh.
22:29Then how come never mind?
22:32Well, what do you mean never mind? How
22:33come what?
22:36How come I'm so alone?
22:38Well, you chose that, Diane. You left
22:41went to Oregon.
22:43And then he shot your kids.
22:45I know.
22:50I know. I wish I never had.
22:53Well, that's you All right, everything
22:55would be so different.
23:02I'm not staying here when this is over.
23:05I think you are. I hope they shut this
23:06place down.
23:08Technically, she's right. I think she
23:09got housed in California, so
23:11this is over you will be out of state,
23:13Diane.
23:18It's still really pretty and everything,
23:19but
23:21All right, today is a little kid
23:24asked for his mail on 836 Chestnut or
23:27something like that birch.
23:29And I gave it to him. It was his first
23:31birthday card.
23:33Did you see that? There it's first
23:35birthday card. So was he one?
23:37Yeah, that's
23:40Imagine.
23:41I don't know, yeah.
23:43Did she just say I still look pretty and
23:44everything?
23:46No, she was talking about she's doing a
23:48route and she's she described an address
23:51and then some kid came up and was like,
23:52"Hey lady,
23:54what you got there, lady?" And like, "A
23:56birthday card." "Is it your birthday?"
23:58"Yeah, IT'S MY FIRST."
24:02SHE SAID SOMETHING IS STILL PRETTY, but
24:05I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
24:08I didn't hear it pretty. I didn't
24:11It's okay, we don't have to "Gee
24:12willikers, MA'AM, THANK YOU."
24:16"AW, WHAT A NICKEL."
24:19YEAH.
24:21It She just doesn't
24:24She's trying to make it sentimental by
24:25saying, "Oh, it was her first birthday
24:27card."
24:28And she kind of talks that way like,
24:30"Golly gee, you know?"
24:31>> Yeah.
24:34"Gee willikers." "Gee willikers." She's
24:37going out there and solving her own
24:39crimes like Nancy Drew, just
24:41come on.
24:45I handed in the mail and he says, "All
24:47right." He opened it up cuz it was
24:49supposed to be money. So I opened it and
24:50I was walking down the street and he
24:51says, "Thanks, Mrs. Downs."
24:54God, everybody knows me and I hate it.
24:58I think you
24:59>> Don't people usually know their mailman
25:01or something? Wasn't this back like they
25:02used to give gifts to their mailman,
25:03right? You would Yeah, you still do. You
25:06can't give Here you can't give them more
25:08than 20 bucks in cash.
25:09>> Well, I know, but I mean,
25:11I don't know that we've ever done it,
25:12but I'm sure you cuz you're cheap,
25:14everyone knows that. I don't want I
25:17don't
25:17>> bigger in New York, though.
25:19Yeah, it's much bigger in New York. It's
25:22a [ __ ] horror show to be a mailman
25:24here.
25:25Well, my dad was a mailman for 30 years.
25:28I rest my case. Well, I'm fine not
25:31getting any mail, so they could just
25:32stop sending it to me.
25:34>> Me, too. I mean, I I I wish. I've asked
25:38them if that was possible.
25:40After that episode where they put the
25:42bricks in the mailbox. And? Yeah. It is
25:45not possible. No, I know. Believe me, I
25:47know because
25:49eventually someone's like, "All your
25:50mail got returned to me." And it's like,
25:52"Oh, fine."
25:54Well, I'm I do all paperless and
25:55everything else comes through Amazon
25:57direct to the door, so
25:59So plus it's not going to be the right
26:01There's more than one mailman now.
26:02That's the other thing. Yes, that's the
26:04other thing.
26:06But back then there's there's doesn't
26:07seem weird that they
26:09he would know the name of his mailman.
26:10>> Not at all. Not at all. Local town which
26:13is we used to give our Christmas give
26:15them ours Christmas cards with a big tip
26:17because our dog hated him. It's amazing
26:20that that
26:22cliche is
26:22>> Okay, I have I have such a it's not
26:25going to take long.
26:26Suma it
26:28my dad it was I don't know what year,
26:30long time ago before I was born. Mhm.
26:34He
26:36was walking down street during the
26:37middle of a blizzard.
26:40And out of nowhere comes a dog, bites my
26:43dad's arm, you know, just tears into it.
26:45>> Yeah. The owner of the my dad falls into
26:48the snow.
26:49The owner of the dog comes running by,
26:51"Oh my god, oh my god, I'm so sorry."
26:53Now this is the middle of the night,
26:55okay?
26:56"Oh my god, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
26:58Are you okay? My dog never would do
27:01that. He only hates the mailman." My dad
27:03goes, "I am a [ __ ] mailman." Was he
27:06these people's mailman? No, he wasn't.
27:09It was on a random street in the Bronx
27:11somewhere. Sniff it out. Yeah. He just
27:14know.
27:15Yeah, I was curious. I was like, "Why is
27:16he delivering mail at night?" But no.
27:19He's just like cruising.
27:21He was out None of his business.
27:23Yeah, who knows?
27:25Don't ask questions.
27:26>> Something bad I don't know. I don't
27:28know. Yeah.
27:30But he came home wearing hot pants and
27:31roller skates, so
27:33what do you think he was doing?
27:35When my dog was a little puppy, I got
27:37someone gave me a gift of like biscuits
27:39for him and they were, you know, sheep
27:41bone shaped and the other ones were
27:42mailman shaped.
27:46I was like, that's a
27:48Did he have a preference between the
27:50bone and the mailman?
27:51Um no.
27:57All right.
28:00I can't go anywhere without
28:04I don't know.
28:05All I want is my life to be normal.
28:08I don't want anybody to know me.
28:11I just want my kids.
28:13I want somebody to hug me and give me a
28:15kiss every day
28:17and say I love you.
28:21Cheryl used to blow up balloons that had
28:23I love you, Mom on it.
28:26Cut me roses.
28:29Chris used to write poems.
28:31The poem my children she wrote for you.
28:34I didn't tell you what it was.
28:36She had write I think I told you what
28:38the poem was, but she drew a picture
28:39with it.
28:40And I told her that you would just send
28:41it back. Yeah, we already talked about
28:43saying.
28:45He says, "Mom, I want to write Nick a
28:46poem. What should I write?" He doesn't
28:49like kids.
28:52Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm
28:53real sorry your mom shot you.
28:55[Laughter]
29:00And I said, "I don't know."
29:02She said, "Well, you always write him
29:03neat stuff. I want to write him
29:04something neat."
29:06And I said, "I don't know, Christie. I
29:07It has to come from you or just
29:09something that somebody else wrote." She
29:11says, "Well, give me one that you
29:12wrote." And I decided that my poems were
29:14a little bit
29:15over her head cuz they were personal.
29:19AKA sexual, probably. Yeah, gross.
29:23Oh, you don't want her to send this one,
29:25Christie. This one's
29:27Thank you, Brian. I try. Nick
29:29Knickerbocker, here you go.
29:31I want to suck your
29:34That's FROM YOUR DAUGHTER?
29:42[Music]
29:45SO I JUST TOLD HER THE ONE THAT I ALWAYS
29:47told you about.
29:48Don't let people decide for you what I'm
29:51like. Look at me yourself and decide.
29:54So, I told her that poem, wrote it down.
29:57You know what picture she drew with it?
29:58Uh-huh. She drew a picture of you. It
30:00was really good, too. I'm amazed. Well,
30:02she looked at the pictures on the TV.
30:04Your picture was missing out of the TV.
30:07Can we get Mr. Penis and Mr. Vagina up
30:09on the stage, please?
30:11Okay. Wait, where are we putting them
30:13up? Well, because Hello Baby said Diane
30:16be writing about Mr. Penis. Oh, yes.
30:19Yes. Yes.
30:19>> not?
30:20It's been a minute.
30:21>> As sad as though.
30:23Well, he's saying
30:23>> Look how murderous Miss Vagina is.
30:26Yeah.
30:27>> Or maybe Miss Vagina's Diane.
30:29Mhm.
30:32picture of you.
30:34And then she drew a little thought
30:35bubble
30:36above your head, picture of me.
30:40I thought that was really neat. She
30:41wanted to send it to you, but I didn't
30:42think you'd appreciate
30:44Did you hear Did you catch what she just
30:47said? No, cuz I was reading the
30:48comments. What she say?
30:50So, basically Christie drew a picture of
30:52Nick. Yes, I heard that.
30:54>> really good be because of seeing him on
30:56TV, which the I mean, it'd be like for
30:59an ins- a flash, whatever, right? And
31:01then he drew a thought bubble. What?
31:04Because uh
31:07Diane doesn't really have anything else
31:08to talk about other than Nick. So,
31:11>> of this is true, I would imagine.
31:12>> Yeah, none of this is true. But then the
31:14thought bubble Christie drew above
31:17Nick's head,
31:18she drew a picture of her mom.
31:21Oh, wow. She must be quite the artist.
31:23And this is after she was rendered
31:25>> Oh, [ __ ] even move her hands.
31:28Right? She couldn't even draw anymore of
31:30memory stuff.
31:30>> I We're not sure if this is pre- or
31:32post-crime. I don't know.
31:33>> Oh, right. Yeah.
31:35It is fun. And I must be post cuz Nick
31:37wouldn't have been on TV prior,
31:39artistically.
31:41Well, also remember the story's a lie.
31:44No, I mean,
31:45I'm the one who I'm the one who just
31:46pointed that out to you. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
31:47Yeah. Okay. But the truth is I can't I
31:49keep forgetting it with all these
31:51criminals cuz it's so hard to, you know,
31:54Yeah, you're trying to you're trying to
31:55reconcile what they're saying is maybe
31:57part of this happened. No, I don't
31:59>> talking how long have we been trying to
32:00figure out all kinds of things like,
32:01"Why would they do this?" And then and
32:02then we're like, "Oh, didn't They didn't
32:03play hide and seek."
32:06But still, why would her daughter choose
32:09to draw a picture? So, if if I'm She
32:11wouldn't.
32:12But but the st- in the story, she's just
32:15watching the news with their mom. No.
32:18Sees No. No. No. No. You're missing the
32:20point, X-er. The point of the story is
32:22to relate that Nick that
32:25uh Nick loves Diane and he's needs to
32:27remember that and Diane loves Nick and
32:29they should be together. That's the
32:30>> Yeah.
32:31>> The details of the story are irrelevant.
32:33That is just we I just need to talk
32:35about you and me. You and me. You and
32:36me. You and me. And I'm going to make up
32:38some [ __ ] along the
32:40uh daughter drew a picture of you and
32:41then she did this and then that. How
32:43cute is this? Even my kids love you. You
32:45mean so much to all of us and you're so
32:47part of this family and you're one of
32:48the only people I care about other than
32:50my kids and blah blah blah blah blah.
32:52Right? Just like nobody would go up to
32:54her and start crying. Nobody's doing
32:56that. But the point of the story is
32:57people feel sorry for her. Why don't you
32:59feel sorry for me, Nick?
33:02Does it make sense, X-er?
33:04Like
33:05>> Yeah, but
33:06it still doesn't make any goddamn sense
33:08why the kid would be drawing this
33:10picture.
33:10>> no sense except for for what Diane wants
33:13to, you know,
33:14Yeah, but all Almost all of her stories
33:16are exclusively full of this is
33:18nonsense.
33:18>> All about her.
33:21Oh, Tory Massey said,
33:23"I think Diane meant there were pictures
33:25on top of the TV of Nick." Oh.
33:29Maybe.
33:31[Laughter]
33:34>> You have pictures of Nick on your TV. I
33:36see. Like framed pictures.
33:38>> Yeah.
33:39Sure they did have those big TVs back
33:41then.
33:41>> TVs, yeah. You could put stuff on top of
33:43them.
33:43>> wooden trunk
33:45>> boxes. Yeah, and then in the Bronx, when
33:47that TV broke, you put your other new TV
33:50on top of it.
33:53[Laughter]
33:55But I need that.
33:57Oh my god, my kids are the only people
34:01that love me no matter what.
34:03I know you used to really care and you
34:05even loved me, but
34:06>> it's when it's convenient for you. Yeah,
34:09[ __ ] you.
34:10>> love me no matter what.
34:15See, Nick, I need my kids back cuz
34:18you're not providing me love.
34:21So, if you want those kids to come back
34:22with me, And what is the point of
34:24sleeping with a married guy for a
34:27couple of months if he's not going to
34:28love you no matter what?
34:30I don't know.
34:32What a waste of time.
34:35Even when the supper was burned or even
34:37when I was late from work, they never
34:39questioned like seeing you through.
34:43And if I screwed up, they let me know
34:44that, but they never harped on it.
34:50I'm sorry. I just
34:53God, I miss them.
34:56Remember, these sub- these subtitles
34:58aren't 100% accurate, so always be
35:01listening with your ears.
35:02She's meant as a assistant.
35:04>> Why did all this have to happen?
35:09How could he hate me that much?
35:15I just felt so betrayed.
35:22I cried all day yesterday. Good.
35:25My brother's been really good. He's been
35:27trying to help.
35:29He took me out for the movie again.
35:33This [ __ ] is lonely. She has a brother
35:34who's not
35:35>> go away.
35:39Doesn't go away.
35:42Wait, what are you saying? Good. No,
35:44just that she's lonely, but then you
35:45hear about it. Of course, she's got
35:46plenty of people, you know, trying to be
35:47nice to her and whatever.
35:49Got a whole family there.
35:51Mhm. Mhm. She just wants this guy.
35:53That's all. She doesn't care about kids,
35:55obviously. Yeah, she doesn't care about
35:57any of it.
35:59And you can It kind of reveals,
36:01obviously, which which is
36:03already clear, that uh
36:06Diane only values the
36:09Diane only values people for what how
36:10they make her feel.
36:12Right?
36:13So,
36:14she loves Nick because Nick
36:16or I have to say this also helps.
36:19>> Nick makes her
36:21a you know, her life more enjoyable. She
36:23likes the kids because she feels loved
36:26by them by their actions until I can
36:29Well, Nick is much better. She's Nick is
36:32all she cares about. Yeah.
36:37I'm so
36:38lonely.
36:41God, I just want somebody to
36:44hug me and tell me everything's going to
36:46be okay even though it didn't happen.
36:51I guess I really hurt because I've been
36:53thinking about Cheryl a lot lately.
36:56I miss her.
36:59But I know how Christie must feel.
37:01She probably hurts, too.
37:04And she won't open up with anybody else.
37:09And she just keeps it inside. Good. You
37:12should do the same thing. They don't
37:13even care.
37:17It'd be so good for Christie just to be
37:18able to talk to me about it.
37:22A whole month now and
37:30I don't I don't I don't even know why I
37:33called, I guess.
37:35I guess cuz you
37:36are the only other person that ever
37:38truly cared about how I felt.
37:41Now we see. I mean, this is again,
37:43obvious- she The only reason she's
37:44bringing up all she she's just
37:46describing the things her kids used to
37:49do for her, not what she liked about
37:51them.
37:52Like, "They used to tell me they loved
37:54me all the time, but nobody's telling me
37:55they love me now." Like, it's so
37:57transparent, Diane. Yeah, she doesn't
38:00know that. It's amazing.
38:01Amazing that she doesn't realize it. She
38:04Uh sorry, one second. Clint 099 love
38:07true crime-ese.
38:09Hi, Clint.
38:10Welcome.
38:11Again.
38:12Um
38:14She believes that she's confused, I
38:16think, because she's saying, "Why
38:18doesn't anyone understand this is sad?"
38:21She doesn't get that it it Why Why
38:23aren't people being nicer to me and and
38:26you know, being being sa- giving me pity
38:29and "Oh, Diane, we're so sorry." She
38:32doesn't realize that that doesn't work
38:34when they all think you did it. They all
38:36know it's sad. It's not that they're
38:38that's lost on them that yeah, your your
38:41daughter probably feels bad that her
38:42sister is dead. Everyone feels that.
38:45Nobody's going to talk to you about it.
38:47Also, what I'm saying, I mean, it's
38:49obvious. And See, I still think that
38:51>> I don't think it's obvious to her.
38:54No, of course not. I mean, she
38:56In my opinion, Diane Downs committed
38:59this crime. She had to strangle stra-
39:02uh like scramble a little bit right
39:04afterwards because she didn't see that
39:05whole investigation thing coming. She
39:07just thought they'd be like, "Oh my god,
39:08this woman is a victim." And now she has
39:09no children. And then Nick would be
39:11like, "Marry me." And she would be like,
39:13"Okay, you'll help me deal with my grief
39:15that I'll forget about in 5 minutes."
39:17But that's not how it went. So, she had
39:18to scramble. Things got very tough for
39:20her. And now it's settling in with her
39:21that
39:22she did this. She's in trouble. And
39:26she's still in love with Nick. She still
39:27wants him. Mhm. So, now she's like
39:30working this whole thing. Like she's
39:31just really trying to Yeah.
39:33>> That's why I say I think he must be a
39:34sympathetic type cuz just because of the
39:36way she
39:37like relates with him, like tries to get
39:39him. She's probably used to saying
39:41certain things and him feeling badly for
39:43her.
39:45I mean, I think he's really just kind of
39:47a blank slate almost as well. He doesn't
39:48really He doesn't His answers are very
39:51simple like, "Well, that's how it goes."
39:53or you know, like, "Well, of course,
39:55Diane." You know, and
39:58It could be just now that, you know, she
40:00killed her kids, but I kind of get the
40:02feeling like that that's how he is in
40:04general. He doesn't seem like a
40:05wordsmith like writing you know, talking
40:08hours on the phone with her. He He
40:10doesn't even sound like he likes on the
40:12phone.
40:13No, I mean, now he doesn't, of course.
40:15Right. I was just looking for that
40:17letter that he wrote her. That I guess
40:18the whole thing hasn't been made public,
40:20but I know that I had read part of it
40:22and I was
40:23kind of surprised by it because it's
40:25it's pretty thoughtful, I thought. I
40:27mean, of course, I could reread it now
40:28and be like, "Really, why did I think
40:30that?" But I'm still looking for it.
40:31>> No, I mean, writing is different, right?
40:33He could be very verbose, right? Yeah.
40:35>> Uh but whenever they're talking in
40:37person like it's just
40:39I don't know.
40:40Sometimes it sounds like he's got some
40:41sympathy for her though or he I don't
40:43know.
40:45I don't know. Yeah, who knows?
40:49We have hindsight, obviously, right? So
40:50Yeah. That's Yeah.
40:55I don't know. I guess I just wanted you
40:56to say everything's going to be okay or
40:58something I don't know.
41:00You know what? I can't say that thing
41:02cuz I don't know.
41:04No reassurance.
41:05Typical man.
41:07I mean, she's also
41:09a constant gaslighter, but she's very
41:11bad at gaslighting. That That's the
41:13other problem she has. Yeah.
41:17I know.
41:19I know I'm getting [ __ ] over again by
41:21the police. Why?
41:24Well, I don't know why. They called me
41:25the other day on the phone.
41:28When?
41:29I should I don't know. It's either
41:31Friday or Saturday.
41:33I'm sorry.
41:36What do they want this time? They don't
41:38want to know about the guns.
41:45Maybe I just assumed that.
41:47Well, I just
41:51you know
41:55Somebody had told somebody that you mean
41:57you're either lying to me or you're
41:59lying to the police or you're lying to
42:01both of us or I don't know what. But
42:04something ain't right.
42:07You don't trust me, do you?
42:11Well, I I basically just trust me.
42:16Oh, Laura Owens didn't show for her
42:17court case?
42:18I don't think so.
42:20That doesn't seem like her.
42:23She was in the hospital.
42:25Oh, she faked an illness something.
42:27Maybe she pregnant again?
42:29I They didn't say exactly, but this is
42:31what I heard. That's what I
42:35I told Diane.
42:38Yeah, but
42:40like
42:41uh Laura but Diane gets actually
42:43pregnant.
42:45Laura Owens never does.
42:48And even Laura Owens hasn't killed
42:49anyone.
42:51Right. I just, you know
42:54I don't know. I don't
42:56I'm not interested in
43:04I personally don't need more of me
43:05involved in this [ __ ] But I am. Nothing
43:09I can do about it.
43:13I'm sorry.
43:15Well, it's just I'm already involved,
43:17can I say?
43:21But you know, I don't You know they're
43:22not back down here as far as I know, but
43:25Yeah, they are.
43:26Okay. Well, I haven't seen them in
43:28person. I just talked to them.
43:30I found out where they are.
43:31My dad went on the radio Saturday and he
43:34found out that
43:36there are three investigators on the
43:37job.
43:39And one of them's in Arizona.
43:43So
43:49I don't know, Diane.
43:50I don't know what's going on. They lied
43:52again, so I'm not going to cooperating
43:54again.
43:56I went down Friday to try and help them
43:58out.
43:59Cuz they sent a couple guys to my dad's
44:01office to tell her to lay off, you know.
44:06They sent a couple guys down to his her
44:08dad's office to get him to lay off what?
44:12Is it Is she talking about the
44:13independent investigation?
44:15that are vaguely related to one another
44:19that can somewhat make a sentence, but
44:22really she's saying nothing. It's been
44:2515 minutes and she said jack [ __ ] Nada.
44:29Nothing. Just making sure it was wasn't
44:31just me.
44:33And then they wanted to talk to my
44:35brother, too. Right.
44:37And
44:38so I went down to the sheriff's office
44:40and talked to Sheriff Burke.
44:42I asked him if he had any questions, why
44:44doesn't he talk to me?
44:47And I just talked to him for about 3 and
44:481/2 hours and I explained everything all
44:50over again.
44:52Told him that I would help if I could.
44:57Told him everything. My God, I must have
44:59told this
45:00the account at least a dozen times.
45:05And my brother that day talked to him
45:07and
45:08they He asked where Tracy was cuz
45:10Tracy's a
45:12crime investigator on this case.
45:15And they I don't know who that is.
45:18He's He's a dick anyway. They said Tracy
45:21was sick.
45:23Well it seems that there are three guys
45:25on the case. One of them's in Arizona
45:27and two of them talked to Paul. So they
45:29lied to Paul. They said Tracy was sick
45:31when what was really happening was Tracy
45:33was in Arizona.
45:34So they lied. I don't like lying.
45:37I don't know. I don't know who Tracy is,
45:39so I don't know.
45:42That's going to be a hard thing for you
45:45to deal with then if you don't like
45:46liars, Diane.
45:48Uh
45:51So I don't know what's up.
45:53They said
45:55In the beginning that gun wasn't
45:56important. They didn't even ask me about
45:58that gun.
46:01In fact, they didn't even get asked me
46:02about that gun.
46:03I finally went to them because Steve
46:05told them
46:07that I had a gun, another gun.
46:10Well, that's not really going to them at
46:12that point, is it?
46:14I mean, that's kind of I bet they went
46:15to him though.
46:18No, she's saying, "Well, I didn't
46:20They didn't even ask me about the gun. I
46:21went to them with the gun once somebody
46:23told told them I had one."
46:26Again, I They probably went to her.
46:29I mean
46:32It was a .22. Right. Well, you told me
46:35you gave it back to Steve, but you know,
46:37Diane I just
46:41The only chance to get it out of the
46:42house was Steve on it. I don't know.
46:46I saw my gun before you left. You took
46:47it to Arizona with you. If you gave it
46:49back to Steve, Steve would say, "Yeah, I
46:51got it."
46:52I didn't hand it to his hands.
46:54Well, how did you give it back to him
46:56then? I put it in his truck.
46:59I didn't give it to him in his hand. I
47:00put it in his truck.
47:02Oh, Diane.
47:04How come every time I talk to you, you
47:06tell me something different?
47:07>> I never told you I gave it to him. You
47:09did. You swore you went on and on and
47:12told me you gave it to him a week and a
47:14half before you left.
47:15>> Right. I stuck it in his truck.
47:18You want to know the story about that
47:19gun? Okay. That gun was a gun that Steve
47:22got in a trade for a car. I don't know
47:24when. Sometime after we were divorced.
47:26Okay.
47:27Okay. Whether you want to believe it or
47:29not, I am afraid of Steve. I act mean,
47:32but I'm scared of him.
47:35He
47:36has given me reason to be absolutely
47:39terrified of him. As a matter of fact,
47:41the sheriff brought to mind something
47:43which I had forgotten. Steve put a gun
47:44to my head once and pulled the trigger
47:46and it was empty. Scared the hell out of
47:48me.
47:49Well, I bet you would. Yeah.
47:51So anyway, as far as I'm concerned, guns
47:54are dangerous whether they're loaded or
47:55not and I didn't like Steve having that
47:57gun.
47:59Well, I tell you in your hands, Diane,
48:01they are very dangerous, especially
48:02around your children.
48:04You know what they say? Guns don't kill
48:06people. Men with mustaches who have guns
48:09kill people.
48:10Guns don't kill people. Diane kills
48:12people.
48:14Men with mustaches who have guns kill
48:16people.
48:18Well, I mean, I don't understand what
48:20she's going on and on about here. She's
48:22just trying to tear down Steve and make
48:24it sound like Steve's more dangerous
48:26like it she got a little too real with
48:27her with that slip up with the gun,
48:29right? So now she's got to deflect.
48:31She's trying to get Nick back.
48:34down the house.
48:36Because he could turn and use it on me
48:38and he was hurt enough and enough. And
48:40he was angry at you enough that he would
48:41kill me just for the sake of killing me
48:43because I liked you instead of him.
48:46Wow.
48:49He killed me to get at you.
48:52Steve is probably the most docile man
48:55you could
48:57Yeah, but you had that point you had the
48:59gun.
49:00That's right. He said give it back. I
49:02took it back again.
49:04I don't know how many times that gun
49:05went back and forth. At the last time, I
49:07took the gun and I hid it so he couldn't
49:10get it because I didn't want him using
49:11it on me.
49:13But then you put it back in his truck?
49:17No, we don't understand, Diane. Do you
49:19understand? I follow what you're saying.
49:22All right. When I left, I didn't want
49:24the gun.
49:26As I said, guns are dangerous. I used a
49:27.22 for target shooting. The .38 was
49:30locked up so that somebody wouldn't get
49:32hurt with it. I didn't want the damn
49:33.22. That's why I offered to give it to
49:36you. I know. I remember that too. You
49:38said yes, then you said no. You don't
49:40like guns. I said fine. I still wasn't
49:43going to take it with me, so I got rid
49:45of it. And since it was his gun, I gave
49:47it back to him rather than somebody
49:49else. But I did not tell him that I gave
49:51it back to him because I still You and I
49:53were living together, I still didn't
49:55want him to come and take me out
49:58while he had the chance.
50:02Is that clear? No. No.
50:06Not at all.
50:08Au contraire.
50:10I feel more confused than ever. It's
50:12interesting how much she hates guns, but
50:14she's going to the range target
50:15practicing with a .22. She also owns a
50:17.38.
50:19For someone who hates guns
50:22For someone who hates guns, you
50:23certainly do use them on your children a
50:24lot. Yeah.
50:27I never have to go over that stupid gun
50:29again. That gun, I swear to god, that
50:31gun has never been more important until
50:33the past
50:343 days.
50:36Well, you know why it's important, don't
50:37you? No, I don't.
50:39She doesn't get it.
50:42Let me guess. I'm going to guess cuz I
50:44haven't heard this part. I'm going to
50:45guess she's going to say, "No, I don't
50:47understand. What, just cuz it matches? I
50:48didn't shoot my kids and they know that
50:50and I got the proof. They already know I
50:52didn't do it." Yes. You can You're like
50:54channel
50:56Mhm. Cuz it's the same caliber that your
50:57children were shot with and you were
50:59shot with. Good spot. There must be 20
51:01million of those .22 handguns in this
51:04world.
51:05Yes. Why does that gun Why is it so damn
51:08important? What's going on that I don't
51:10know about?
51:11>> know. That's what I don't know. That's
51:12what I want to know. Why do they keep
51:13[ __ ] with me about it? I don't know.
51:15Why do they keep [ __ ] with me about
51:17it?
51:19She's really something.
51:21Diane Downs is so stupid.
51:25Diane Downs
51:25>> She's stupid because even though she
51:27doesn't believe this stuff, she thinks
51:29she's being crafty and manipulative with
51:31it. But it is so No, Diane, you just
51:33sound like you're stupid.
51:35And she mirrors him a lot, you know.
51:37Mhm. Classic
51:39thing that people who try to manipulate
51:41you
51:41>> Well, I don't know. Wanded down the
51:43Like
51:45Yeah, when he starts talking like that,
51:46she'll switch from baby voice to And not
51:49And then one more thing on top of that
51:50the sheriff said
51:55Yes, Slot Cat.
51:57Why is the key evidence so important?
52:00Why is the fact that I I own a same
52:03model of the murder weapon
52:06so damn important?
52:08There must be 20 million There must be a
52:10million pictures. It's It's like a
52:12million years ago. I'm Michelle
52:14Fournier.
52:17It wasn't even the same damn gun that
52:19shot my kids.
52:21It's the same type.
52:24But I I predict this. It's not even the
52:25gun that shot my kids. So what does it
52:27matter?
52:28Well, it was the same caliber.
52:32Well, you got to agree on that, don't
52:33you? Yes. Okay.
52:38You know, I'm just I'm I just don't
52:40understand why that one specific gun is
52:42so damn important. Why is that one?
52:45Well, because it's the same caliber,
52:46Diane. Jesus Christ, it's hard enough to
52:48figure that out. Yeah.
52:52I don't know.
52:55I don't know what's going on anymore.
53:00I'm just tired of waiting and waiting.
53:02The attorney says "Take it easy. Every
53:04day that you wait means that much more
53:06money."
53:09Oh, for the lawsuit.
53:11Right?
53:12Yeah, well,
53:14I don't I don't have a whole lot of use
53:15for attorneys.
53:17I don't want the money. I want love.
53:20She wants dick. Yeah, and you know, I
53:22don't know your attorney. I've never met
53:24him. I don't even know what his name is.
53:26Huh? But I understand you told me one
53:28for the lawsuit and one for the
53:30one for the the murder charge. No. For
53:34Christian.
53:36Never mind. He's never followed through
53:38with his promises.
53:41I don't think you really want to.
53:45I don't like being [ __ ] with.
53:49She likes being [ __ ]
53:50>> stop that now.
53:55I don't know who did this.
53:58Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me
54:01phrase it again. You've got one attorney
54:03to represent represent you Right.
54:07in case you get indicted Okay.
54:09>> because of this, right? I'll take that
54:11with yes. Okay. Do you have another
54:13attorney for the lawsuit? Yes. That's
54:15just what I said a minute ago. I know.
54:17Okay. Am I right or am I wrong? You're
54:19correct. Okay.
54:22I'm sorry. I just I don't sleep.
54:27My feet still hurt. You were wrong about
54:29that. Well, it takes time. I guess so.
54:34I got my big cast off.
54:37Got a little cast on
54:39up to my elbow.
54:40[Music]
54:41My arm is healing.
54:44Getting all fuzzy in between the break.
54:46Mhm. Something growing in there.
54:49He told me I was supposed to use it like
54:50a regular arm now. Just don't pick up
54:52anything heavy yet.
54:55What you say?
54:58Thanks, Jared.
55:00I didn't say a word. Oh, I thought you
55:02said something.
55:05Want me to say
55:06>> Florida.
55:12I don't know.
55:13Next time I think I'm going to give the
55:15kids back.
55:17Steve called
55:18with Saturday.
55:22He gave me hell again.
55:28I guess that's what started this whole
55:29thing. He just
55:33He's always
55:34He's black mailing my family right now.
55:37He's blackmailing your family with what?
55:40I'm not going to tell you.
55:43I said
55:44Okay. Well, I don't Why don't you just
55:45tell me?
55:46What is he blackmailing your family
55:48with?
55:50You remember what I told you about what
55:52happened when I was a kid. Yeah, you
55:53told me that I came out in court the
55:55other day.
55:56Yeah, but not who did it.
55:59Sorry, what did you say, Susan?
56:00He's blackmailing her with heirlooms.
56:04Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
56:07I'll let you know they're blackmailing
56:08with what? I'm not going to tell you.
56:10No, look, I'm telling you.
56:13Just going to bring it up.
56:18No, Brian, that doesn't make any sense.
56:21They don't know who did it. They don't
56:23know who molested you when you were
56:24young. No.
56:26Well, how come they come out in court
56:27and they not know?
56:29Because nobody ever told them who.
56:34I didn't.
56:41My daughter sure didn't. Yeah, and so
56:43your daddy doesn't want your mama to
56:44find out. She knows.
56:47Well, then what's the big deal?
56:49Everybody I don't know. They got this
56:50family pride.
56:52Well, I mean, what's happened is what's
56:54happened. I ain't nobody can be changed.
56:56I agree. That's why she He called me and
56:58he told me he was blackmailing me.
57:01No, Steve called you up and said, "I'm
57:03blackmailing you."
57:05Hi Diane, it's Steve. I'm blackmailing
57:07you. Yeah, just letting you know I'm
57:08blackmailing you now.
57:10And I just told him, "Fine. Go ahead. I
57:12really don't care. No big deal. No skin
57:14off my neck."
57:16But he called my bad name. Told my daddy
57:18better shut up.
57:22And I don't know why. My cast is pulled
57:24back though.
57:26Well, he does.
57:28You know,
57:30your daddy is putting his neck out on
57:31the limb. If this [ __ ] don't turn in
57:33your favor, it's going to look real bad
57:35for the boy and he will not advance any
57:38further
57:39at all.
57:41I know.
57:42I mean, that's all there is to it.
57:43>> It isn't going to turn out bad for me
57:45though. You just don't understand that,
57:47do you? Well, Diane, I read the
57:49articles, I listen to what you what you
57:51say
57:54and none of it jives. I mean, it just
57:56don't
57:58It just don't jive. I told you a long
58:01time ago that I hoped with all my heart
58:03that you hadn't done this. But every
58:04little damn thing that comes out
58:08and
58:09you know, it just It don't look good for
58:11you.
58:13You know what? What?
58:16I don't really care what looks good or
58:17doesn't look good.
58:19Then why have you been going on and on
58:20about your public image, Diane?
58:25Oh, wait, she's singing her case.
58:29Yeah, I don't really care what looks
58:30good or doesn't look good.
58:32Uh
58:33I'm not going to be in trouble. If they
58:35had videotape of you doing it, that
58:37wouldn't concern you, Diane?
58:41I know what happened. Well,
58:43okay.
58:45I've never lied to you. I've never given
58:46you reason to doubt me and yet you do.
58:50Well, I guess maybe I just don't hear
58:52you telling me everything. So without
58:54telling me anything, I don't know. How
58:56can I tell you everything without
58:57looking at you?
58:59Over the phone, with words.
59:01Right now, like we're doing now.
59:03Yeah, but you need to come see me. How
59:06am I going to have sex with you over the
59:08phone?
59:09Yes. Lauren could do it.
59:11Yeah.
59:13Well, you can tell me Talk to me on the
59:15phone a number of times before, you talk
59:17to me now.
59:19No, I can't then.
59:20Why not?
59:23You're different.
59:25I'm different? Yes. I ain't no
59:27different. I'm the same person I always
59:29was.
59:31No, you used to care.
59:38Yeah, I will grant you that you cared
59:39about you more than anybody else, but
59:41you sincerely cared about me. Wow.
59:44And I really thought that you would try
59:46to sell me out if you thought
59:48that you could gain somehow. I can't
59:51gain nothing. I know. That's just it's
59:53>> a god damn thing I can gain. I don't
59:55make no money, god
59:57I hate how she does that. She proposes
1:00:00something they say now I can't do that
1:00:02and she goes I know.
1:00:04Yeah.
1:00:05The way same way she's like I don't The
1:00:07only person who has a motive is your
1:00:08wife and I don't think it was her.
1:00:11So then why bring it up? And what motive
1:00:13and it's nonsense.
1:00:15I sure ain't got
1:00:17a dime in the world, so I can't gain
1:00:19nothing. I'm just afraid.
1:00:23Well, what I gain then? You can't gain
1:00:24never mind.
1:00:25Well, now. You see, that's what you do.
1:00:27You say never mind, never mind, never
1:00:29mind.
1:00:31You used to take the time to listen to
1:00:33me and now you're always on the defense.
1:00:35Well, I'm I would love to tell you
1:00:37everything that's going on.
1:00:39I would love to tell you in detail what
1:00:41happened that night.
1:00:43But the FBI begin
1:00:45FBI guys are listening.
1:00:49I thought you already did. Didn't tell
1:00:50me what happened? Yeah, I told you, but
1:00:52I didn't tell you in detail.
1:00:56You want to find out what happened now?
1:00:58Just call the cops.
1:01:00They'll probably run it for you.
1:01:02What? I thought you said the cops don't
1:01:04know the truth.
1:01:07Well, they but they will give a story
1:01:10that he could listen to. She just said
1:01:12if you want to know she's being
1:01:13sarcastic. She didn't lay the sarcastic
1:01:15on enough for that to work.
1:01:20I'm making a
1:01:22You want to find out what happened now?
1:01:23Just call the cops.
1:01:25They'll probably run it for you.
1:01:28I put it on tape twice now.
1:01:33Well, if it'll throw me in jail, Nick,
1:01:35takes your interest, but
1:01:37you know why? Why? I didn't do it. Well,
1:01:39then you got nothing to worry about.
1:01:41What is the problem? Why you bothered?
1:01:44Lonely, that's what it is.
1:01:49Nothing that you can help at all.
1:01:55Do you even remember why I called?
1:01:57Nobody remembers why you called.
1:01:58>> You don't even know why you called,
1:02:00Diane.
1:02:02You stupid ass.
1:02:05Because you were crying and needed
1:02:07someone to talk to. Yes, I remember why
1:02:08you called.
1:02:10Why was I crying? Because you didn't
1:02:12have anyone to talk to and you wanted to
1:02:13have someone tell you loved you and you
1:02:15needed someone to hold you and there's
1:02:17nobody around anymore. Hold you? Hold
1:02:19you? I'm trying Yeah, that's right. See,
1:02:21I remember. I know that I'm not a dummy.
1:02:24I know you're not stupid. That's why you
1:02:25aggravate me so bad cuz you aren't dumb.
1:02:28Well, I know I'm not dumb, Diane, and
1:02:30you're not telling me something. And
1:02:32that's why I'm on the defensive cuz I
1:02:34don't want my ass thrown in the middle
1:02:35of this [ __ ]
1:02:37And look, I'll probably get my ass
1:02:38thrown in the middle of the day anyway.
1:02:42And you just You just not telling me
1:02:44something.
1:02:45One of these days I will.
1:02:48Uh-huh.
1:02:50Right.
1:02:53Well, what's wrong with right now?
1:02:58I guess I just don't trust you anymore.
1:03:01Oh. Even better.
1:03:03Oh, man. She doesn't trust him anymore.
1:03:07Do you see what you've done, Nick? That
1:03:09must hurt.
1:03:10That's it.
1:03:11>> I just don't trust you anymore.
1:03:13Okay, well.
1:03:15I used to.
1:03:17I used to. I don't trust anybody
1:03:19anymore. But Well, then you must be real
1:03:22guilty about something.
1:03:24No. That's the only reason you get that
1:03:26way. No. Yes, it is, Diane, you know
1:03:29that just as well as I do.
1:03:35Cuz you worry, too. I told you what I
1:03:36wasn't going to tell you. What?
1:03:40And don't you tell anybody.
1:03:43Oh, please please just please say the
1:03:45secret is I didn't do it. Please just
1:03:47add me the secret. Yeah. He's He's very
1:03:50good at this, actually. He's good at,
1:03:51you know, I mean, there's no point in
1:03:53being good at any of this with her
1:03:54because she doesn't
1:03:55>> Right. But
1:03:57Mhm.
1:03:59I don't know if I'm allowed to tell
1:04:01Well, what you going to tell me?
1:04:09I don't know who shot me and the kids.
1:04:23Oh, man, she's she's really building the
1:04:25suspense here.
1:04:26Me, too, Paige.
1:04:28I don't know. Should I tell you?
1:04:31I don't know who shot me and the kids,
1:04:33but they knew me.
1:04:35What?
1:04:36>> anybody that.
1:04:38Oh my god.
1:04:40>> did it, but when I find out I swear to
1:04:43god
1:04:54I don't know them but they knew me.
1:04:55Don't she speak?
1:04:57Well,
1:04:58Diane said you still don't make any
1:05:00sense to me. Amen.
1:05:03If you don't know who did it, then how
1:05:05can you tell?
1:05:07How would they know you and you not know
1:05:08them?
1:05:11Does that make any sense?
1:05:15It makes a lot of sense.
1:05:18It actually makes very little sense.
1:05:20Diane.
1:05:25Somebody sent somebody.
1:05:28Why do you think I
1:05:30Why do you think I've been so upset
1:05:32lately? Somebody sent somebody. Oh my
1:05:35god, this is getting really complicated.
1:05:37>> so upset lately. I know people don't
1:05:40like me.
1:05:41You probably You have a natural reason
1:05:43to be upset, Diane. Your kids are dead,
1:05:45but you seem to not ever remember that
1:05:48or or use to like justify you won't You
1:05:51say, "Well, my kids aren't here to hug
1:05:52me and I don't have kids right now." But
1:05:54one of your children is dead. That's why
1:05:56you could be sad.
1:05:58But I thought she said
1:05:59so. I thought she said like the press
1:06:02and children love her now.
1:06:05And the guys and women.
1:06:07Yeah, the women because she showed up to
1:06:09police. So how do these people not love
1:06:12her?
1:06:14Um
1:06:15I don't know. People that just plain
1:06:17hate me.
1:06:19Yeah, this works better.
1:06:20>> it be both? She's trying a new angle
1:06:22here.
1:06:23Yeah. Maybe it's a love. Maybe it's a
1:06:26hate that's so strong it turns into
1:06:28love. Or love that's so strong it turns
1:06:31into hate.
1:06:31>> Yes, that's powerful, Suma. Yeah, thank
1:06:35you.
1:06:37Well, they just plain hate me. Well, so
1:06:39what? You don't have to send someone to
1:06:40shoot your kids.
1:06:43Steve wouldn't send anybody to shoot the
1:06:45kids.
1:06:48I wouldn't send anybody to shoot the
1:06:50kids.
1:06:50>> I know you wouldn't.
1:06:51Surely you wouldn't send anybody to
1:06:53shoot the kids. You love kids. I don't
1:06:55think he would, either.
1:06:56So, who's left?
1:07:02If somebody sent somebody to shoot the
1:07:03kids, that cost money. Ain't nobody at
1:07:05the post office going to pay to have
1:07:06your kids shot.
1:07:11I'm sorry I even called. Good. Well,
1:07:13Diane, I should never told you that.
1:07:17Well, you shouldn't have told her that
1:07:19him that for the reason that it sounds
1:07:21extremely stupid. It has nothing to do
1:07:23with you you put yourself in more danger
1:07:25now.
1:07:26Well, so it's nothing. What is she
1:07:27talking about? The fact that she said I
1:07:29don't know them but they knew me. Is
1:07:30that what you Yeah, that's that's that's
1:07:31what she's referring to. That I should
1:07:33have never opened my big fat mouth.
1:07:35And told you all of that valuable
1:07:37information. Right.
1:07:44Please
1:07:46don't
1:07:46>> Diane, just tell me.
1:07:47What are you trying to tell me?
1:07:49You go around and around and around. You
1:07:51don't tell me [ __ ]
1:07:53I get calls from the cops. You call me.
1:07:57Everybody's going around and around.
1:07:58Nobody tells me [ __ ] What the hell is
1:08:00going on?
1:08:03I don't really know.
1:08:05All I know is what happened to me that
1:08:07night.
1:08:11And I swore that I would never tell
1:08:14anybody.
1:08:16Because I'm not going to implicate
1:08:17somebody unless I know who did it and I
1:08:19don't know who did it.
1:08:21Well, then how do you know that it's
1:08:22somebody that you know?
1:08:24That's what I'm asking you.
1:08:28And do you know this bushy haired
1:08:30stranger? No, he didn't have bushy hair.
1:08:33Or else
1:08:34That was like literally her first
1:08:35description, wasn't it?
1:08:37Yeah. Yes.
1:08:40But he has bushy hair. Yeah, that's the
1:08:42main description.
1:08:45I swore I would never tell anybody about
1:08:48what happened that night. Why would you
1:08:50would you say
1:08:52say that?
1:08:54I swore I would never tell anyone about
1:08:56my kids getting shot
1:08:58and what happened.
1:09:00I made a promise to myself just like
1:09:01Lauren promised not to end up in a
1:09:03sting.
1:09:04Uh Diane Downs promised to never tell
1:09:07anyone what happened when her kids were
1:09:09shot.
1:09:12Forever. I know the newspaper plays it
1:09:14up. I know. How I know is what I read
1:09:17and what you tell me.
1:09:19And I honestly think
1:09:20what I read and what you tell me don't
1:09:22match.
1:09:26I mean, I'm I'm asking, Diane. I'm just
1:09:28asking.
1:09:32I'm getting my share of hassle.
1:09:35I'm not getting as much as you I'm sure.
1:09:37I'm not getting as much hassle as you.
1:09:41Well,
1:09:41maybe I'm getting more than you.
1:09:44The only hassle I get is I don't get my
1:09:45kids back and I didn't hurt them.
1:09:48That's the hassle.
1:09:53I am your father.
1:09:55Listen to the general listening.
1:09:57Remember one of your kids is dead.
1:09:58That's
1:09:59possibly a hassle.
1:10:02Okay, keep going.
1:10:05So I don't think anybody from here would
1:10:07do it. You think someone out there did
1:10:08it?
1:10:09Did you piss somebody off?
1:10:13What are you trying to tell me Diane?
1:10:15I'm trying not to tell you anything.
1:10:18Well, you're doing a very good job of
1:10:19it. I agree to that. You're doing a damn
1:10:22good job because you ain't telling me
1:10:24[ __ ]
1:10:27You sound just like the police.
1:10:32He had the mustache.
1:10:34I think there was a time I would have
1:10:36cuz I had told I would tell you
1:10:37anything. I used to tell you everything.
1:10:41Whether it made you angry or not I told
1:10:43you.
1:10:49I really don't know what to tell you. I
1:10:52I don't know who
1:10:56[Music]
1:10:57How are your kids?
1:10:59I don't know who.
1:11:02You don't know who what?
1:11:04You don't know who what?
1:11:07There is no predicate there.
1:11:09No, no.
1:11:11I guess
1:11:13What?
1:11:14Never mind. I don't understand what a
1:11:15predicate is. Can you explain it for the
1:11:16audience?
1:11:17Subject and a predicate. The predicate
1:11:19is the action in the sentence. Oh, why
1:11:22don't you say action? Why do you have to
1:11:23use these fancy words?
1:11:27Don't forget he hates language.
1:11:31That's true. I like simple language like
1:11:34eighth grade max.
1:11:37Can't tell you anything because
1:11:39I can only give you half of the story.
1:11:41That's what I've done and that's That's
1:11:43why I don't know what the hell is going
1:11:45on. That's why I'm asking all these god
1:11:46damn questions. Neither do I.
1:11:50Wait, but you have you haven't given
1:11:52half the story. If you don't know
1:11:54anything else, you've given them the
1:11:56whole story that you know.
1:12:00This is
1:12:01This is comically bad.
1:12:04Right?
1:12:07Aaron loves here says, is she going to
1:12:09tell him that she did?
1:12:12Yeah.
1:12:13She's going to tell him that she did.
1:12:17It is the vanishing perpetrator, right?
1:12:18But even right now it's the vanishing
1:12:20crime. She's just saying, I don't know
1:12:22who
1:12:24Who did what?
1:12:26No predicate as X could say.
1:12:28[Laughter]
1:12:33I'm using that word now.
1:12:35See that? We're stepping up your game a
1:12:36little bit. I mean
1:12:40Let me write it down here. Predicate.
1:12:43Your wife is going to be like, who died
1:12:44and left you King Charles? I I use the
1:12:47word like 14 times tomorrow in like an
1:12:50hour.
1:12:52Predicated that. Look at Look at that
1:12:54predicate.
1:12:55The quarterback predicated the ball.
1:12:58You're going to be like Stephen Baldwin
1:12:59in Celebrity Rehab when he's always
1:13:02like, and that was unbeknownst to me. It
1:13:04was unbeknownst.
1:13:08I don't know what's going on.
1:13:10Well, you know better than anybody.
1:13:12What? You know better than anybody
1:13:14what's going on. No, I don't because I
1:13:16don't know who started
1:13:18I
1:13:19Never mind. It sounds offensive so I'm
1:13:20not even going to say it. Well, say it.
1:13:22I mean if it sounds offensive just say
1:13:24it. I said tell you.
1:13:26I know you will.
1:13:29And it's true so I don't want to say it
1:13:31because you'll say it's offensive.
1:13:33That's why I never
1:13:35Well, just say it.
1:13:38Please just say it. I'm running out of
1:13:40tape here.
1:13:43I have I'm I'm pretty sure I'm going to
1:13:45have to flip the tape in like 2 minutes.
1:13:47Do not say it when I have to flip the
1:13:48tape.
1:13:53Hold on Diane. Hold that. Stop 1 second
1:13:55here.
1:13:57I don't want to have to tape over the
1:13:59Grateful Dead at Hershey Park in '69.
1:14:01Yep.
1:14:07I mean it was an awesome fire on the
1:14:09mountain in that one and
1:14:14Some
1:14:18I don't know if I trusted you once and I
1:14:20don't know if I could now. Enough with
1:14:22the build up. It's annoying at this
1:14:24point.
1:14:30If I knew who did this
1:14:34and I could prove it, I would.
1:14:37Wow.
1:14:39Wow.
1:14:41Never such a stunning statement. If I
1:14:44knew who did the crime and I could prove
1:14:46it, I would. Most people would.
1:14:49Yeah, well that's there you go. Other
1:14:50than the person who committed the crime.
1:14:52Every conversation with her like these
1:14:54phone calls and they're all exactly like
1:14:57her parole hearing. Yeah. She hasn't
1:15:00changed at all. It's
1:15:02Yeah, I I was wondering like before
1:15:04these calls like did this develop I mean
1:15:06I knew her story was bad but like did
1:15:08this develop in prison after years? I'm
1:15:11trying to get my swoop right. Like years
1:15:13of sitting in the in the isolated cell
1:15:15just talking to the wall going mad? No,
1:15:18she was crazy back then.
1:15:20Can you hear me? Yes. Oh, okay.
1:15:24My I got a message that my mic was
1:15:26disconnected. Oh.
1:15:29Um
1:15:31How would somebody know that?
1:15:34Well, I think he means on his phone. Oh,
1:15:36on your Okay, got you.
1:15:38I thought he meant somebody
1:15:39Somebody in the chat said it.
1:15:41He tied to a rock through his window.
1:15:46What's it Oh, my mic is disconnected.
1:15:51But I don't know who and I don't know
1:15:52how to prove it.
1:15:55So you don't know anything then. He's
1:15:56saying nothing.
1:15:58So you don't know anything.
1:16:02Yes, I do. Right Diane, you tell me you
1:16:04do and you tell me you don't. Now that
1:16:06And you see that's what you've been
1:16:07doing.
1:16:14Uh
1:16:18I know what happened.
1:16:20Well, you heard you were there.
1:16:22I thought you just said you didn't know.
1:16:24Yes, she did. She just said I don't know
1:16:26what happened.
1:16:27If she knew she would say.
1:16:29If she knew and she could prove it, she
1:16:30would. But she doesn't know and she
1:16:32can't prove it. So she can't. But then
1:16:35she said, I know what happened.
1:16:37This isn't even good gas This is
1:16:40terrible gaslighting. So bad.
1:16:43The only
1:16:44I wonder how long Nick would have stayed
1:16:45on the call if he wasn't recording. He
1:16:47would have been like bye
1:16:4920 minutes ago. That's a great point.
1:16:58I guess
1:16:59what really is in my mind right now
1:17:01is that I know I didn't do it.
1:17:03Therefore, I know they can't prove that
1:17:05I did it.
1:17:06They can't throw me in jail. Okay. And
1:17:09that's all I'm worried about. Since I
1:17:10don't know who did it, I don't know who
1:17:12to tell them to look for.
1:17:15Rather ignore the whole thing.
1:17:17And make sure that it never happens
1:17:19again.
1:17:20I bet.
1:17:22Diane, you're crazy sometimes. You're
1:17:24real crazy.
1:17:25You and me, that's what you say.
1:17:31If you were the one who did it I don't.
1:17:34If I did, I would tell them.
1:17:39Jesus.
1:17:42I've been trying to figure out
1:17:45who would have the most to gain. You.
1:17:48[Music]
1:17:51Say other than yourself at least.
1:17:54Nobody Nobody would have anything to
1:17:56gain by killing your kids.
1:17:57Nick, don't you remember? You don't want
1:18:00kids. Obviously that would make me more
1:18:02attractive to you. Yeah.
1:18:05And your wife wants me to be sent to
1:18:07jail. So she would kill my kids just to
1:18:10have you all to herself cuz I'd be in a
1:18:12lot of hot water like I am now. kill my
1:18:15kids just so that you would be more
1:18:16attractive to me. Yes.
1:18:19That's right. It would have to be
1:18:21something crazy.
1:18:27Right?
1:18:28Oh hell yeah. I'm really worried nobody
1:18:29going to make no money on it.
1:18:32Not that I know of. See
1:18:34Not that you know of. Who would make
1:18:36money?
1:18:41She already said they have no life
1:18:42insurance. So who is making What How can
1:18:44money be made killing kids?
1:18:46Well, there's a lot of money in killing
1:18:48kids. A lot.
1:18:51It's a huge industry.
1:18:53Uh It's not fratricide. What is it when
1:18:55you kill when you kill your kids? Um
1:18:58We went through this and none of us
1:18:59know.
1:19:01It's not Yeah, it's not infanticide.
1:19:04Most of us I could think is like
1:19:05filicide. It's like chillicide.
1:19:09Yeah.
1:19:11Right, I don't know.
1:19:13Well, I was going to say big chillicide.
1:19:16Chillicide. Chillicide. Yeah, the big
1:19:18chillicide industry. A or a sister?
1:19:22No, that's child. Figlio in Italian.
1:19:28For real? I thought it was
1:19:30In Italian? Mhm?
1:19:32That's child in Italian?
1:19:34Yeah, specifically that would be a boy.
1:19:37Yeah.
1:19:38>> Figlio, figlia.
1:19:40Familicide? Yeah, familicide or
1:19:42filicide.
1:19:44No, familicide is when you kill your
1:19:45family. Right. Filicide is
1:19:48>> I have a phone right here and it has a
1:19:50Google on it. Oh, it's connected to the
1:19:51internet? You got one of those ones?
1:19:53>> Well, I don't know exactly
1:19:54>> smartphones? One of those ones? Yeah.
1:19:58If it lets you have insurance policies
1:19:59on it. Right. I think it does, but I
1:20:01don't know.
1:20:02Right. Oh, see if an insurance policy is
1:20:04on it, maybe.
1:20:05Infanticide, but that's calling it
1:20:06killing an infant. That's a parent
1:20:08killing an Well, on phone
1:20:10>> Filicide. is child. Filicide. Okay.
1:20:14Filicide.
1:20:15Filicide.
1:20:16>> What is it?
1:20:18What is pedicide? I only say that
1:20:20because not that I don't believe you,
1:20:22but
1:20:23in French, fil is brother.
1:20:27Huh. So, no, no, no, no, I'm wrong. It's
1:20:29son.
1:20:31I don't know French. Yeah, it's the same
1:20:33thing in It's not child. Enfant is
1:20:35child, but
1:20:37it's son. So, that makes sense.
1:20:39And fille is daughter, so.
1:20:41Ah, okay.
1:20:44Robin the ADR Pro keeps saying pedicide.
1:20:47With that, I think that's would probably
1:20:49be the murder of a child. I thought
1:20:52that's when you murder your the person
1:20:53who gives you pedicures.
1:20:56Or that.
1:20:56>> Or I thought it was killing a pedophile.
1:20:58Or that.
1:21:02He did it in all caps. I I I'm believing
1:21:04her and and she she is involved in law.
1:21:06I think we should take
1:21:07>> a lot more than
1:21:09Filicide is the killing of a child.
1:21:12Infanticide would be the killing of a
1:21:15baby. Right.
1:21:16>> Filicide is the killing of your child.
1:21:20Right, your own child. Your your
1:21:22Pedicide would be the killing of a
1:21:25child.
1:21:25>> Any
1:21:26Oh, any child. So, one's child is
1:21:28filicide, yeah.
1:21:30Okay. How about we break it down and we
1:21:32really talk about the pros and cons of
1:21:34killing a child? You know, pedicide is a
1:21:37general term for the murder of a child
1:21:39regardless of the perpetrator's
1:21:41relation. Filicide is the killing of
1:21:43one's child.
1:21:46Neonat- Patricide is parent. Neonat-
1:21:49Neonat- side is killing of a newborn
1:21:51within the first 24 hours of life.
1:21:54What about siblings? Is it siblicide?
1:21:56Fratricide, I believe.
1:22:00Probably.
1:22:01Yeah, I mean Anyway. Yeah.
1:22:04Like fraternity, brothers. Yeah, okay.
1:22:08Fratricide, yeah, got it. I was talking
1:22:10like that. What's not allowed but
1:22:11justify shooting somebody. That's right.
1:22:14Guess those Latin camps weren't for no
1:22:16reason, huh?
1:22:18Uh they were only worth it if you passed
1:22:20and got a certificate, which you did
1:22:22not, so. So, there has to be another
1:22:24reason.
1:22:25The [ __ ]
1:22:26What's the reason?
1:22:29I don't
1:22:31I don't know yet.
1:22:32>> That's why I have to Oh, Diane, you know
1:22:34damn well you just not telling me.
1:22:35That's fine. That's fine.
1:22:41You know whether I'm looking at you or
1:22:42whether I'm on the telephone, I know
1:22:44when you're not telling me everything.
1:22:46I mean, that's just all there is to it.
1:22:48I'm sorry. I just know.
1:22:50You know why? I know
1:22:52You know me better than anybody.
1:22:53Probably so.
1:22:56Oh, she loves it.
1:22:59Then how come you said that
1:23:00>> hooked on his dick.
1:23:01>> That's going to be the points in your
1:23:02direction and you ain't told me nothing
1:23:04that that changes. But you know me
1:23:06better than anybody.
1:23:07>> That's right. I would say that. What did
1:23:08I tell you when you came back? No.
1:23:11Yeah.
1:23:13No, before you left for Texas.
1:23:16What did I tell you about the kids?
1:23:19I'll tell you that you can't think that
1:23:20far back. I didn't tell me.
1:23:23You were talking about leaving Charlene.
1:23:26Uh-huh. And I said, "Don't do it." And
1:23:28you said, "Why?" And I said, "Because
1:23:29the kids would move have moved back in
1:23:31with me and I'm not letting them go
1:23:32again."
1:23:34Right?
1:23:37That's Yeah. Okay. You said, "That's
1:23:40okay. Doesn't bother me. The kids aren't
1:23:42bad. They're They're fine. They're
1:23:43well-behaved, etc., etc. It doesn't
1:23:45bother me. You moved out anyway."
1:23:48But as you recall, I chose the kids over
1:23:50you.
1:23:53Okay. And if I chose the kids over you
1:23:56back then, why in the hell would I shoot
1:23:58them now? I don't know.
1:24:00Because you just said
1:24:02>> All good questions. You just said you
1:24:05moved out anyway, meaning you didn't
1:24:07think he was going to move out, meaning
1:24:08Well, you didn't really choose your kids
1:24:10over him. You All right, oh yeah, I'll
1:24:12bring the kids in with you. And then you
1:24:14left and you realize, oh [ __ ] well, I
1:24:15want you more than I want my kids, so
1:24:17therefore I'm going to kill my kids.
1:24:18>> Yeah, kids they lose their magic after
1:24:23Diane.
1:24:24No, I'm just
1:24:26That's what I'm just asking you to tell
1:24:27me why. I wouldn't.
1:24:30That's why I'm saying you know me better
1:24:32than anybody. You
1:24:34You've been with me and seen things that
1:24:36nobody else has ever seen or
1:24:37>> No, I think everybody's seen those
1:24:39things. Yeah.
1:24:42At least on her mail route. At least on
1:24:43her mail route.
1:24:47I mean, until they, you know, stop
1:24:49looking, making sure, okay, that she's
1:24:51going to be here soon. Everyone
1:24:53close your eyes.
1:24:54You think if someone had to sign for a
1:24:56package, she'd make them like sign it on
1:24:58her breasts?
1:24:59Yeah. How about one for me? How about
1:25:02one for the twins?
1:25:04That That reminds me. She had a tattoo
1:25:06of his name on her shoulder.
1:25:08Of course she did. I feel like I mean,
1:25:11maybe Do people Women get tattoos like
1:25:14that?
1:25:16Like
1:25:16>> know.
1:25:17Yeah, sure they do. In gangs or prison.
1:25:21>> Okay, okay. That's what I thought. I
1:25:23mean, I just thought thought like the
1:25:24occasional drunk guy who was, you know,
1:25:27Well, remember this is the '80s.
1:25:29>> military and yeah. Property of Nick.
1:25:32Yeah.
1:25:34And it wasn't on the shoulder.
1:25:44And you of all people should know that I
1:25:46couldn't do that. I guess that's why I
1:25:48keep
1:25:50talking to you.
1:25:52Cuz you should understand.
1:25:54You should know the truth. Then tell
1:25:56him.
1:25:58And even if you don't get up and stand
1:26:00on the street corner and say that you
1:26:01defend me, I'm not asking you to do
1:26:02that.
1:26:04It's
1:26:04your nature. I know right.
1:26:06There's no point in staying alone. I
1:26:07doubt it's going to do you any good,
1:26:09man. I agree.
1:26:12But when I talked to you, I never
1:26:13expected you to condemn me.
1:26:15I I expected you to expect you to turn
1:26:18your back and tell
1:26:20whatever. The end of eternity. I don't I
1:26:23just That's it? Just the end of
1:26:24eternity?
1:26:27Well, That's not really turning your
1:26:29back. That's kind of
1:26:31cutting all ties, right?
1:26:33Yeah.
1:26:34I guess I was going to say well, in the
1:26:36grand scope of the cosmos, but eternity
1:26:38is pretty much covers that.
1:26:41Also, he already told you he doesn't
1:26:43want to and have anything to do with you
1:26:45anymore, so.
1:26:46Well, there's that.
1:26:49That's I told you about a hundred damn
1:26:51times. I just want you to tell me. Just
1:26:53be honest with me and tell me. Then
1:26:56maybe
1:26:58I can sincerely believe in you 100%.
1:27:01I mean, I'm just getting [ __ ] with too
1:27:03much, you know? And you're not telling
1:27:04me anything and I don't know what the
1:27:05hell to think. That's why I don't tell
1:27:07you anything.
1:27:09Because you are getting screwed, Red.
1:27:14You tell your own mother. I know. I
1:27:17don't watch carefully enough, but uh
1:27:19That's right. I forgot. I wouldn't do
1:27:21that. I wouldn't do that to anybody.
1:27:24That's just me.
1:27:26I suck it up faster
1:27:28and take my lumps and bruises.
1:27:31I don't rat on nobody, you know? I don't
1:27:33do that [ __ ]
1:27:35He sounds like a cowboy right now. Yeah,
1:27:37he does. I'll take my licks and my
1:27:40lumps.
1:27:43He doesn't rat on nobody, but he is tape
1:27:44recording these phone calls.
1:27:46I don't believe him being a rat. And I
1:27:49also I also
1:27:51I find these phone calls a little
1:27:53strange, like
1:27:55I mean, I don't think he needed all
1:27:56this. He was not really I mean, he
1:27:58wasn't going to be arrested. That was
1:28:00kind of clear at this point, I think,
1:28:02like Right, but if she is so intent on
1:28:05being deceitful, right? I think he also
1:28:07wants to know, right? And then he
1:28:09thinks, well, she tells me on the phone
1:28:11Let's say she does confess, I better
1:28:13have the tape recorder going. Right, but
1:28:15why does he want to know so badly? I
1:28:16mean, he had cut ties with her. He's
1:28:17trying to work on his marriage.
1:28:19Uh I think I would want to know even if
1:28:21it was my I want to know, but not at the
1:28:23expense of sitting on the phone with her
1:28:25for hours. No.
1:28:27Maybe, yeah. You know?
1:28:31Rory Borealis, I bet he wears a
1:28:33codpiece.
1:28:37Hi, Katie. He's got a tripod bike stand.
1:28:41Yeah. Yeah.
1:28:45What did he say to you, Smith? I will
1:28:46tell you everything that happened that
1:28:47night. Why can't you tell me right now?
1:28:49What's the big
1:28:52Because I don't know exactly who did it,
1:28:54dammit. And until I know who did it, I
1:28:56don't know the end of the story.
1:28:59End of the story?
1:29:01Yeah, I mean
1:29:04What?
1:29:05Wow. Well, what's the beginning of the
1:29:07story?
1:29:08Well, I got out and shot my Oh, [ __ ]
1:29:10Somebody knew that I was going to go
1:29:12down that road.
1:29:15Or maybe the other road. Maybe there
1:29:16were two people. Who the hell knows? But
1:29:19you were going to turn off the main
1:29:20highway and go down that highway? There
1:29:22was only two roads going home. Yeah. The
1:29:24back road and the main road. I know.
1:29:25I've seen the map.
1:29:28I mean, who would have known you would
1:29:29have turned off that road? No, but if
1:29:32they put a person on each road,
1:29:35there's no way they could have missed
1:29:36me. Okay. All right. I agree with that.
1:29:38I can go for that so far. But then who
1:29:40would want to do it?
1:29:43Do you really want to know? Oh my god.
1:29:46Really?
1:29:47>> Who did it?
1:29:50Yes, we are dying in suspense. Yeah.
1:29:53He
1:29:54told Brian that Yeah, but he wouldn't
1:29:56shoot the kids. Steve has had three
1:29:59girlfriends in the past year. You've had
1:30:01three boyfriends in the past day. Yeah.
1:30:04You're talking to Nick's boyfriend who's
1:30:05married.
1:30:07A couple of And you're going to get
1:30:08pregnant in jail.
1:30:10It's just that confident of a person.
1:30:12The one who
1:30:12>> Which is really impressive. I mean, this
1:30:14lady really like being pregnant. She
1:30:16knows her cycle.
1:30:19What's that? Steve has kids.
1:30:24Steve is supposed to be paying child
1:30:25support.
1:30:26>> He never paid that in the beginning
1:30:27with.
1:30:27>> I know that.
1:30:29He never turned them in, so it's no big
1:30:31deal. What?
1:30:33I mean, he never turned them in for
1:30:35that.
1:30:35>> I agree, but if I ever took the children
1:30:37and hit the up the creek for a fortune,
1:30:40Yeah, but you didn't. I love the close
1:30:42captions. Up the creek for a fortune.
1:30:44>> Yeah.
1:30:46That poor Greek.
1:30:47>> also crazy. Nick, you don't know him.
1:30:49Danny I know he's crazy. I've talked to
1:30:51him several times. I know the boy is
1:30:53crazy. I know the boy is crazy.
1:30:55>> liked Cheryl. He just plain didn't like
1:30:57Cheryl at all.
1:30:58Christie was a waste of his time.
1:31:01Because he was so quiet and so good and
1:31:03so
1:31:05What ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, GODDAMMIT,
1:31:07DIANE? THE math This is the motivation
1:31:10for Steve to kill the kids.
1:31:12Then her daughter
1:31:12>> And the motivation for
1:31:14Nick to kill her.
1:31:16[Laughter]
1:31:18I don't think he loved Danny. He loved
1:31:19Shut up!
1:31:22Danny was his. Correct. That's it. Danny
1:31:24was a kid.
1:31:26And Mark keeps popping up every once in
1:31:28a while.
1:31:30Danny wasn't his is what she said. Oh.
1:31:32And And Mark does not call her anymore,
1:31:35I'm sure. Well, he's the boy's daddy. I
1:31:37mean, Cheryl, you know he's going to pop
1:31:38up.
1:31:42So, you basically think Steve set it up.
1:31:44I don't know. Pam or Greg or one of his
1:31:47other friends. Greg hates me with a
1:31:48passion.
1:31:49He hates Greg, not me. Then why wouldn't
1:31:52they just kill you, Diane?
1:31:56Come on.
1:31:58I mean, there are criminals
1:31:59who go into homes
1:32:01to rob the place and do a home invasion
1:32:03kind of thing. They will kill everyone
1:32:05and leave some baby in its crib, you
1:32:07know? Right.
1:32:10Greg.
1:32:13Uh sometimes you really confuse me,
1:32:15Diane. It just really confuses me.
1:32:20I know the person used my name.
1:32:23Made a reference about my tattoo.
1:32:26I know the person used my name and made
1:32:28a reference about my tattoo. Okay. We've
1:32:31heard that before, remember? Yeah, I
1:32:33know.
1:32:35But
1:32:36Funny she didn't mention that to the
1:32:37detectives.
1:32:39Yeah, they said that he knew my name.
1:32:41He's a rascal, knew me.
1:32:43The one that shot you?
1:32:45But if I didn't he kill you?
1:32:49That That's you know, I'm curious. I'm
1:32:50just asking. Just tell me. I don't know
1:32:52either except maybe I wasn't supposed to
1:32:54get shot at all.
1:32:56How would it look if mother is out
1:32:58joyriding, children all get shot, mother
1:33:00takes kids to the hospital, not her at
1:33:02all? Well, it would look
1:33:03>> is it going to look like?
1:33:05It's look right about as bad as it does
1:33:08right now. Yeah, right now is
1:33:10it's not going to look any better. No.
1:33:12I'm The math isn't mathing here, Diane.
1:33:15It's going to look real bad. That's
1:33:17right, dammit. And if I get shot, I'm
1:33:19dead. No revenge.
1:33:22But you did get shot and you're not
1:33:23dead. She sounds like one of those
1:33:25old-time like spy like, you know, cop
1:33:27movies where they're talking real fast.
1:33:28They're like, "Supposing I'm not one for
1:33:30supposing." Oh, yep. Yep. I know what
1:33:32you're talking about.
1:33:34If I have to go through hell on earth,
1:33:36losing my kids and being blamed for it,
1:33:38what more can somebody do to me? Oh.
1:33:41This is why they didn't kill her cuz
1:33:43they knew it would be much worse for her
1:33:45to be blamed for it and have her kids be
1:33:47killed. Well, then obviously
1:33:50who knew her that well because
1:33:51>> No. Whoever knows her knows that that's
1:33:53not true. Yeah. So, you're just pointing
1:33:56basically at Steve. Either Greg or
1:33:58somebody he knows. That's right, Greg.
1:34:00He just told me he hates you. Greg tried
1:34:03for two years to get me and Steve
1:34:04divorced.
1:34:05Well, okay. Was Greg gay?
1:34:09I mean, it's not possible that Greg's
1:34:11interested in you, although that's
1:34:12probably where you're going with this.
1:34:15He also hated the fact that Steve was
1:34:17with Daniel with a passion. When Daniel
1:34:18was born, you could have seen the poison
1:34:19in his eyes. And every time Steve would
1:34:21take Daniel someplace, Greg played along
1:34:23with it but he hated Daniel.
1:34:25Played along with it? Then he didn't
1:34:27really believe it.
1:34:29Played along with what? That No, cuz
1:34:31Steve hated Dan
1:34:33Steve hated Daniel and so Greg would
1:34:35play along with hating Daniel. Oh, play
1:34:38Okay, I get Yeah, played I'm just being
1:34:40stupid. Played with it. Yeah. You want
1:34:42to see it?
1:34:44Want to see it again?
1:34:49Guess what else? What? Greg took off
1:34:51with 4,000 bucks and split.
1:34:55Either Steve told him or he really stole
1:34:57it.
1:34:58What?
1:35:00Nick pronounces the H in what. What?
1:35:05What?
1:35:09What?
1:35:10Well, I thought Steve bought his
1:35:11trailer. That's probably where it came
1:35:13from.
1:35:14No.
1:35:15Well. Hm.
1:35:17Hm.
1:35:19You think a trailer costs $4,000 or a
1:35:21hit to kill children? What is more
1:35:23likely?
1:35:26Well, okay.
1:35:31Diane, I Greg, don't tell anybody that,
1:35:34please. Okay. Okay. Okay. Jesus, I just
1:35:37want to know what's going on. I do, too.
1:35:40I don't know who did it. And until I
1:35:43know who did it, I'm not going to try
1:35:44and implicate anybody. You're
1:35:46implicating everybody.
1:35:49Are you sure? Cuz And what you really
1:35:52want to know, and I hope this doesn't
1:35:53get him in trouble, is Eli's here
1:35:55illegally.
1:35:56[Laughter]
1:35:59Hope it doesn't get him in trouble.
1:36:01Doesn't This doesn't get him in trouble,
1:36:02but
1:36:04The person also said if you ever tell
1:36:06the truth, I'll come back and kill you.
1:36:08That's why I'm asking you. I don't trust
1:36:10Steve or his friends.
1:36:12Whoa, that is a big development. Did you
1:36:14catch that one?
1:36:17No. What? That she doesn't trust Steve?
1:36:19No, so about Steve, but then she's going
1:36:21to say something that supposedly the
1:36:23shooter who knew her name said to her on
1:36:25that night. Listen closely. The person
1:36:27also said if you ever tell the truth,
1:36:29I'll come back and kill you. That's
1:36:32If you ever tell the truth, I will come
1:36:35back and kill you.
1:36:36>> is getting longer and longer.
1:36:38What is going on? I thought you
1:36:41distracted him by throwing the keys and
1:36:44then hopped in the car and drove away
1:36:45and the door closed as you did it and he
1:36:47was following you and you realized, "Oh,
1:36:48wait, he still still can't be chasing
1:36:50us." But before that happened or as he
1:36:53did it, he said, "If you tell anyone the
1:36:55truth, I will kill you."
1:36:57Jackie Anderson says, "Dan is a breath
1:37:00away from showing Nick the Mr. Penis and
1:37:02Miss Vagina chart."
1:37:06That's why I'm asking you. I don't trust
1:37:08Steve or his friends. Who said that? The
1:37:10guy that shot you? Yes.
1:37:14Yeah. I mean, Diane, that is a huge
1:37:17piece of information
1:37:19to leave out of the story because that
1:37:21would mean that like by him knowing your
1:37:24name and then saying, "I'm I'm going to
1:37:25I'm going to find you and kill you." Or
1:37:27if you tell anyone the truth,
1:37:30I mean, it's just so stupid. It's like
1:37:31the worst written
1:37:33crime drama ever.
1:37:36And I suggest you take your ass round
1:37:38down to the police department and tell
1:37:39the truth. Yeah, hello.
1:37:40>> You know, if you don't, Diane, listen.
1:37:43If you don't, you will have to Diane,
1:37:45listen. You're going to go to jail. No,
1:37:47I'm not. Yes, you are. I didn't do it in
1:37:48all the [ __ ] I don't care if you did
1:37:50it or you didn't do it. You're going to
1:37:51go to jail.
1:37:54You better go tell them what you know.
1:37:56Cuz you can't run to
1:37:59Why do you say that? Because
1:38:02It just looks bad. Exactly. You can't go
1:38:05to jail for looking bad. Oh, well.
1:38:08[Laughter]
1:38:12True.
1:38:13Technically, the charge would not be
1:38:15looking bad. If you charge
1:38:17If you go to jail for looking bad, you
1:38:18would have been in jail for a long time.
1:38:21Yeah, but I mean, looking bad in a
1:38:23courtroom after the jury convicts you,
1:38:26that's that's where looking bad can land
1:38:28you in jail. Yeah.
1:38:30I can't say exactly.
1:38:32Uh it was Steve that got her on the
1:38:33stand. What do you know that you aren't
1:38:35telling me? I don't know anything. I
1:38:37don't know what Uh-huh. Flip it on him,
1:38:38Diane.
1:38:39>> I read the paper. I know what you told
1:38:40me.
1:38:45I mean, you know what you know. Stop
1:38:47talking cops [ __ ]
1:38:49They can't protect me. Yes, they can.
1:38:51They can protect you just like they can
1:38:53protect anybody else.
1:38:55If that's what you're worried about, see
1:38:56if you can tell them.
1:39:00Shh. They don't know who to look for,
1:39:02though. Well, if you told them, maybe
1:39:04they'd know.
1:39:07Yeah, I mean, that that is a valid
1:39:09point. Maybe if you gave them the
1:39:10information,
1:39:12they would know.
1:39:14Maybe if you took your like drawing or
1:39:16your
1:39:17sketch artist thing seriously, hey, we
1:39:19actually need to know what he looks
1:39:20like, not just you saying this.
1:39:24Okay, let's see here.
1:39:29Oh.
1:39:36Tell the police department to arrest
1:39:38everybody that helped me. All right. I
1:39:40know. Can you hold on just a second? I
1:39:41got to piss like a racehorse. Well, I
1:39:44piss like a racehorse. I got to piss
1:39:45like a racehorse.
1:39:48Excellent.
1:39:49[ __ ]
1:40:03Let's skip ahead a little bit cuz it's
1:40:05just waiting for piss.
1:40:08I'm sorry if I upset you. Well, you do
1:40:10upset me sometimes, you know, but if
1:40:12Diane, if you know something,
1:40:14go ahead and go and tell them. You know,
1:40:17and I'm serious about what I'm saying.
1:40:19If you don't and nothing else ever comes
1:40:21up and nobody's found in [ __ ] and all
1:40:23this [ __ ] goes to court,
1:40:25I can still prove I didn't do whether
1:40:27they prove that somebody else did or
1:40:29not.
1:40:30What?
1:40:32I could still prove that I
1:40:33>> I know, but why don't you just prove
1:40:35that you didn't do it?
1:40:38[Laughter]
1:40:41And she's she's
1:40:42never concerned about them finding the
1:40:44real person because they killed their
1:40:46kids. It's only finding the real person
1:40:48so she doesn't go to jail.
1:40:51Right? It's never about justice.
1:40:53Kids who? I don't know her.
1:40:57Okay. Okay.
1:40:59Okay. She would probably even frame it
1:41:01as look what they put me through. They
1:41:02put me through hell for me being under
1:41:04investigation.
1:41:06What about your kids, Diane? Oh, yeah,
1:41:08that too.
1:41:09Maybe I should tell them or I have told
1:41:11my attorney. What should I ask them what
1:41:12to do?
1:41:13I know who knows the truth.
1:41:16Okay, I'm sorry. Well, I don't really
1:41:17trust attorneys too much, but you do
1:41:19what you think's best.
1:41:23Hey.
1:41:24I just don't know. If there's something
1:41:26you know, you should go tell them.
1:41:29What would they do?
1:41:30Arrest them.
1:41:32Investigate the crime.
1:41:34Well, you you might be surprised. Maybe
1:41:36they'll listen to you. I doubt it. Well,
1:41:39maybe they would. I don't trust them. I
1:41:41know, you don't trust anybody. Jesus
1:41:43Christ, you don't It took them a long
1:41:44time to put me away for this one. It was
1:41:45obvious I didn't and couldn't do it.
1:41:47Okay. Okay. They have the damn gun.
1:41:50I didn't have time to do everything they
1:41:53said. It's obvious to everybody that I
1:41:55didn't do it, but they kept trying to
1:41:57put me away for it.
1:41:58You know why? Why?
1:42:02Why, Diane?
1:42:04Cuz Steve was standing here feeding
1:42:05people ever since then. He knew I did
1:42:07it.
1:42:08Yeah, but Steve knowing you did it don't
1:42:10mean [ __ ] If it's
1:42:12Excuse me, if it's there
1:42:14All right. Everything's there.
1:42:16Yeah, all these people are saying they
1:42:17did it and they're saying I had a gun
1:42:19and all this stuff. It lines up with the
1:42:21evidence, but it's just cuz of Steve.
1:42:25Yes.
1:42:26Maybe they're just playing along Steve.
1:42:29That's what my mom said. Yeah, you know.
1:42:34Diane, if you know something, go tell
1:42:36them. If you don't, you're you're
1:42:38[ __ ] up by not telling them.
1:42:40That's all there is to it. We This ain't
1:42:42no game anymore. I know it's not. It's
1:42:44my life. Exactly.
1:42:47And you'll fall out and end up in prison
1:42:49if you don't go and clean with these
1:42:51people.
1:42:53Do you really think so? I really think
1:42:55so.
1:42:58He's never lied as far as I know.
1:43:02He don't lie as far as I know, meaning I
1:43:04don't trust you, but I've been able to
1:43:05prove that you lied. That's what I mean.
1:43:07I really think so.
1:43:09The [ __ ] ain't looking good for you. And
1:43:11if you know something, I mean, I don't
1:43:13care if you don't tell me. Fine, don't
1:43:15tell me, but you better go tell the
1:43:17people who are in charge of this
1:43:19[ __ ]
1:43:22I know.
1:43:26He's probably right.
1:43:29I wanted to tell them about a month ago
1:43:30and that's why I asked my attorney.
1:43:33You wanted to tell them a month ago?
1:43:36Well,
1:43:36>> guess, your attorney said no?
1:43:38Yeah. Well, why would he say no?
1:43:41Same reason he's telling her to get on
1:43:43TV and do all the shows. Yeah.
1:43:44>> Right now, let's just let it ride. You
1:43:46know what? What else is he going to say?
1:43:48The boy wants to make some money. I
1:43:50don't even know your attorney, but I
1:43:51know Now, I'm sure her her attorney was
1:43:53like, "Oh my god, you're batshit crazy.
1:43:55Stop telling different versions. Yeah.
1:43:58Stop You're only going to make this
1:43:59worse. Stop talking to everyone.
1:44:02All attorneys. He's out for the bucks.
1:44:04He don't give a [ __ ] if you go to jail
1:44:06or not. He's still going to have another
1:44:07case to try.
1:44:09It don't make a goddamn bit of
1:44:11difference if you go to jail, Diane.
1:44:13That just means one he lost. They all
1:44:15lose some on occasion. I know he just
1:44:17lost one, but I expected him to. Yeah,
1:44:19well, see, it don't make no difference.
1:44:20He's going to go on and try more cases.
1:44:22He's going to win some, he's going to
1:44:23lose some.
1:44:24It don't make no difference to him.
1:44:28You know what? What? You're the first
1:44:29person to say that that I believe. Well,
1:44:32I don't like
1:44:34What did he say that was so fun
1:44:36monumental?
1:44:38Not to trust lawyers that
1:44:41if
1:44:42>> getting paid. They don't care, because
1:44:45Yeah, they just have another case.
1:44:47It's like a doctor, you know, when a
1:44:49patient dies, the doctor's like, "Oh,
1:44:50well, I have another patient waiting in
1:44:52the next room." Yeah, and when your kid
1:44:54dies, "Oh, well, I can always just have
1:44:56another one."
1:44:58Right, the James Owens School of Law.
1:45:00Whatever.
1:45:01Listen, I'd take all the lawyers and
1:45:03most of the doctors so I'd love to guess
1:45:05what I'd shoot them. So my
1:45:07brother-in-law used to say.
1:45:10A little extreme there, old Nick.
1:45:17[Laughter]
1:45:20Let's cut down on the mass killings talk
1:45:22going forward, Nick. I don't want to
1:45:24talk about that anymore.
1:45:25It's not a good look, Nick.
1:45:26Yeah. Remember you're recording this,
1:45:28Nick. Yeah.
1:45:30You're the one that doesn't want to look
1:45:31suspicious.
1:45:31[Laughter]
1:45:34You know what they say, you kill one
1:45:36three kids in the car, it's the same
1:45:37thing as killing 14 kids in a bus. Yeah.
1:45:40I'll tell you what, I saw that lawyer
1:45:42just standing on the corner.
1:45:44By golly, I had to shoot him.
1:45:47I wouldn't.
1:45:48Better be careful what you say there.
1:45:50Well, that's all right. If they don't
1:45:51like it, well, they don't like it.
1:45:53I have found lately that when you say
1:45:55that, they take it to heart. Well,
1:45:58but they're out for That's their job,
1:46:00Diane. They're just making money. I
1:46:02know.
1:46:06It's just like being a mailman. If you
1:46:08don't file a change of address, we hold
1:46:09your mail for 10 days, piss on you. Your
1:46:11mail's going back. Yeah. It can't be
1:46:14filled for
1:46:15Again, you are recording this, Nick.
1:46:19I think Nick forgot. I think Nick is
1:46:22just done. Yeah.
1:46:24[ __ ] around with every damn son [ __ ]
1:46:26in the world that don't want to file a
1:46:28change of address.
1:46:31Every damn son [ __ ] Every damn son
1:46:34[ __ ] in the world.
1:46:36No, I'm just waiting for him to be like,
1:46:37"Remember when we burned that that whole
1:46:39crate of mail?
1:46:41Just And then we told everyone it got
1:46:42lost in transit or something. That was
1:46:44fun." The whole trailer just get all the
1:46:47mail?
1:46:49The same with lawyers.
1:46:53Speaking of mail, how's work?
1:46:55Work is long and tiring, you know, like
1:46:576 days a week, damn near 10 day hours a
1:46:59day. And you don't want to be talking to
1:47:01mail on the phone.
1:47:03I didn't say that. I just said I did
1:47:05hard work, long hours every day, and
1:47:08going on like this probably till
1:47:10August. No, [ __ ] August, September, and
1:47:13October would be more like it. Yeah.
1:47:16I like my walking route that I've been
1:47:18on. Well, nothing wrong with walking
1:47:19routes.
1:47:20Would you believe that I can do that
1:47:22route in 4 hours three times?
1:47:25Slow your ass down, person.
1:47:27Yeah, but that's
1:47:28cuz I have short legs. Well, I don't
1:47:30care. You've always been good at
1:47:31delivering mail.
1:47:34And I'm not saying that to flatter you,
1:47:36damn it.
1:47:37Every time I say something nice, you
1:47:39turn tail.
1:47:41[Applause]
1:47:43You're a class
1:47:44Well, maybe so. Maybe so.
1:47:50I guess I still trust you.
1:47:53Well, take your ass down, talk to the
1:47:55police, and tell them what you know.
1:47:58If you think someone set you up, then
1:48:00you know, all right. I know someone did.
1:48:02Well, I could still tell who.
1:48:05Well, you must know something or you
1:48:06wouldn't tell me. Wait, wait, wait, did
1:48:08you
1:48:08Did you hear that?
1:48:10That was mind-blowing as well.
1:48:18She said she knows somebody did it. She
1:48:21just doesn't know who. Meaning, she
1:48:24knows somebody fired the gun. It wasn't
1:48:27just a gun floating around firing
1:48:28itself. Oh my goodness. Let's hear that
1:48:31one more time.
1:48:34If you think someone set you up, dude,
1:48:36you know, all right. I know someone did.
1:48:37Well, I could still tell who.
1:48:40Well, you must know something or you
1:48:41wouldn't be saying that in the first
1:48:43place, Diane. I know you too well. You
1:48:45just wouldn't be saying it.
1:48:47Why? Because you wouldn't.
1:48:50I have ideas, but I don't know who.
1:48:53Well, There were no names used. I don't
1:48:55I guess I didn't back up far enough.
1:48:56Whatever.
1:48:57>> not.
1:49:00No, she said it.
1:49:02Oh, she did again. She did.
1:49:06He's struggling.
1:49:07>> I don't know why.
1:49:11Thanks for listening and letting me cry.
1:49:14She hasn't really cried though. No.
1:49:17Okay.
1:49:18Okay. The past couple days have really
1:49:20been
1:49:21terrible. terrible So you said mostly
1:49:24because Steve called and gave me hell.
1:49:26Oh, so don't talk to him.
1:49:28She always
1:49:29complaining about Steve when she
1:49:31worked for him.
1:49:34Yeah, well I guess you know, it's really
1:49:36cuz of Steve. They probably when they
1:49:38first met gave each other a lot of like
1:49:39sympathy or whatever, you know, about
1:49:41their spouses.
1:49:43She probably really leaned into how
1:49:45horrible Steve and Steve is and he
1:49:47probably before he knew she was a
1:49:48psychopath
1:49:50and just wanted to, you know, get some
1:49:52was like very sympathetic to that and so
1:49:54she always goes to that.
1:49:56I don't know. I don't picture them maybe
1:49:58doing a whole lot a lot of talking at
1:50:00first. They were just banging at the
1:50:01office and then once she started wanting
1:50:04to have conversations he's like, uh
1:50:08This is terrible.
1:50:12I don't know. He He He has a
1:50:15high threshold.
1:50:18Oh.
1:50:21This just in, ex-Derek is really high.
1:50:23Yeah.
1:50:28All right.
1:50:29He was talking about the kids at first
1:50:30and that was fine.
1:50:32I don't like the kids being in a foster
1:50:34home and I don't know who is the one
1:50:36that did it and if he isn't the one that
1:50:37did it I'd rather the kids stayed with
1:50:39him than in a foster home because as
1:50:41long as I'm a suspect they're not going
1:50:42to let me have them. The kids ain't
1:50:44going nowhere until this is over and
1:50:46dealt with. Okay. They're in foster
1:50:48Well, they're in foster home now.
1:50:51But I mean as far as you and Steve ain't
1:50:52going nowhere until this is over with.
1:50:54I mean And what if it's never over with?
1:50:57What if it's never over with? Then your
1:50:59DA is going to adopt them, that's what.
1:51:02Mhm. What if What if they never find out
1:51:04who did it? Well, they're going to find
1:51:06out something
1:51:07eventually one way or the other.
1:51:10But if that's what I'm telling you, if
1:51:11you know something go tell them.
1:51:15You're just making it go longer.
1:51:17Not on purpose. Well, okay.
1:51:19>> I enjoy this? Well, maybe you just cuz
1:51:21you're not thinking. I think you
1:51:23absolutely enjoy this, Diane. Yeah.
1:51:25Other than the whole threat of
1:51:26punishment you absolutely love the
1:51:28attention.
1:51:31Come on.
1:51:32Well, start thinking. All I'm thinking
1:51:34is I don't know who did it.
1:51:36And I was told don't say anything.
1:51:39If you don't know then what if there's
1:51:40nothing to say?
1:51:42What are you talking about, Diane?
1:51:46Well
1:51:48If they don't know who did it and I
1:51:49don't know who did it but it gets out
1:51:51What difference does it make if you say
1:51:52anything? That don't make any sense.
1:51:54Because if it gets out in the paper that
1:51:55I was set up
1:51:57and that person, whoever it is, finds
1:51:59out I really don't think my life is
1:52:01going to be worth much. Oh.
1:52:04Diane, Jesus.
1:52:07I mean
1:52:08Oh, Diane.
1:52:10Well, he's right now he's wondering if
1:52:12stupid is an STD, right?
1:52:16Cuz they didn't know a whole lot maybe
1:52:18in the 80s like, oh my god it you
1:52:21If it's an STD I'm screwed. Yeah. She's
1:52:24as dumb as a brick.
1:52:27I guess you never had to worry about
1:52:29dying before. Hey listen, I worried for
1:52:31a year and 53 days in Vietnam. No, he's
1:52:34a Vietnam vet. Diane, shut the
1:52:38up about being afraid. I mean I can't
1:52:40believe he has the patience for this.
1:52:44He's in the [ __ ] and he's dealing with
1:52:46the
1:52:46Yeah, with the He's shot at by VC.
1:52:49You know, you You don't know what danger
1:52:51is. I think he had seen enough horrors
1:52:53during the war that when he saw Diane he
1:52:55would have been like, oh hell no.
1:52:59I don't worry about dying. That's why I
1:53:01said it.
1:53:03I'm trying to make you realize What? You
1:53:04said he doesn't know what it's like to
1:53:06be afraid of dying. Oh, now she's saying
1:53:09that I was saying it sarcastically.
1:53:12I worried about dying. That's why I said
1:53:14it.
1:53:14>> That wasn't sarcastic.
1:53:15>> No, I mean No, she's she's
1:53:17She's reframing it.
1:53:19Like she got called out and like, I
1:53:21know, that's why I said it. Yeah.
1:53:24Like, you never take me out. Well, I
1:53:27took you took you out last week. I know,
1:53:29that's why I said it. I was being
1:53:31sarcastic.
1:53:32I mean you take me out all the time. I
1:53:34don't know if he could tie his shoes
1:53:35though.
1:53:37after the war He
1:53:39couldn't tie his damn shoes for months.
1:53:40Could you do that in the jungle? You
1:53:42could tie your shoes the entire time,
1:53:43huh? Your boots?
1:53:48I know you were hanging up high down
1:53:49getting beat with bamboos for some kind
1:53:51of torture but
1:53:53you could tie your own damn shoes,
1:53:54couldn't you? I don't think my kids were
1:53:56lucky at all or I don't think I'm lucky
1:53:58at all. I think my kids were. I'm trying
1:54:01to make you realize what I'm feeling.
1:54:03Well, and then you can do something
1:54:04about it.
1:54:07You're right.
1:54:11He did show emotion.
1:54:13Some, a little bit. Yeah.
1:54:16I'm glad.
1:54:17I was beginning to think I couldn't
1:54:18trust you either.
1:54:23I really do feel like Alice in
1:54:24Wonderland. Well,
1:54:26you're working yourself into a real
1:54:27Alice in Wonderland picture here. You
1:54:29need to [ __ ] or get off the pot and if
1:54:32you know something go tell them.
1:54:35Well Listen, they want to solve this
1:54:37[ __ ] just as much as you want it solved.
1:54:39I know they do. But they're not doing
1:54:40anything because
1:54:43they ain't found out anything and if you
1:54:45can help them then that's what you need
1:54:47to do.
1:54:51You're right. You really are. And if you
1:54:53don't, Diane, just like I said earlier,
1:54:55you're going to get hung with it.
1:54:58I know and I don't want that cuz I
1:54:59didn't do it. Okay.
1:55:03So we've heard.
1:55:07I have a question. Is this just about
1:55:08working again?
1:55:10I'm listening.
1:55:13I'm debating right now. I I told you
1:55:15earlier I don't like it here.
1:55:18And I'm debating about
1:55:21I know that I'm moving back to Arizona
1:55:23when the lawsuit is over at least.
1:55:25That's where I was born and raised and
1:55:27so are my kids.
1:55:28Now, is he in Arizona?
1:55:30Yeah, he's still in Arizona.
1:55:32Everything she's talking about is to get
1:55:34back with him, everything.
1:55:36Yeah, did I mention after this is over
1:55:37I'm going back to Arizona? There's no
1:55:39publicity. Nobody knows me.
1:55:43But I think I'm contemplating coming
1:55:44back there and working for the next
1:55:46year. What do you think?
1:55:50I'm also thinking about getting red
1:55:52hearts put around my
1:55:54neck tattoo. What do you think?
1:55:56[Laughter]
1:55:58I'm thinking about actually No, this is
1:56:00more like I'm thinking about
1:56:02expen- you know, adding on an addition
1:56:04to my house. What do you What do you
1:56:05think about that? But in the next year.
1:56:08Hey,
1:56:10[ __ ] that doesn't matter for 500 bucks.
1:56:12Yeah.
1:56:13What You don't need to worry about what
1:56:15your job you're going to be doing out
1:56:16there. Diane, you are going to prison.
1:56:19The only thing you have to worry about
1:56:20is them catching you removing all the
1:56:23caulk from around your window and
1:56:24escaping to have sex with your Well, she
1:56:27put that on the moving
1:56:28inspection form. I don't know why they
1:56:30used it against her, you know.
1:56:34I told you about about Bob Dunn. I don't
1:56:36know if he'd get hired.
1:56:39I'm a murderer, right? Well, if the [ __ ]
1:56:42ain't too hot for you at the moment,
1:56:43yes.
1:56:45I hate people. Well Everybody judges
1:56:47before they even know what's going on.
1:56:49Um They're not going to hire you as a
1:56:50murderer at the post office. They're not
1:56:52going to hire you anywhere. Right.
1:56:55Oh well, they might hire her in tandem
1:56:57like she
1:56:58uh to
1:56:59distract
1:57:01you know, like seduce the person while
1:57:03the the other hitman comes in the room.
1:57:05Yeah.
1:57:06>> So why are you sitting down? Why I keep
1:57:08trying to tell you if you know something
1:57:10go tell the boys.
1:57:12Don't you underst- Aren't you Are you
1:57:14not understanding what I'm saying? I
1:57:17comprehend every word. Okay.
1:57:22But you didn't. I said when this is
1:57:23over.
1:57:25What you didn't
1:57:27Yes, she did. She said Yes, she did. She
1:57:29said in the next year after after this
1:57:30is all Yeah, in the next year. Did she
1:57:32say after this is over? I think she did.
1:57:34>> She said when when this lawsuit's over.
1:57:37Oh.
1:57:38After she gets her 6 million bucks. next
1:57:40year, yeah, okay.
1:57:42My parents are moving, I think, to
1:57:45California. million bucks, what is she
1:57:47doing? What I think I don't understand
1:57:48is that Bob Dunn needs to get out of
1:57:50there, too. She's no good for him.
1:57:55Oh well, maybe I'll just stay here for a
1:57:57year.
1:57:59Well, you have to stay away for a while
1:58:00until it's over with anyway. Oh, I know,
1:58:02that's true.
1:58:05Yeah, Margarita asks, not intentional,
1:58:06why is Lauren so low stress compared to
1:58:08the Cucaloos?
1:58:10Um I don't quite
1:58:12understand that. I mean, you mean our
1:58:14the our reaction to him? Yeah,
1:58:16definitely have less stress listening to
1:58:18Lauren calls cuz they're funny cuz he's
1:58:19getting beat up the whole time, right?
1:58:21>> it's the humor in the Lauren calls.
1:58:23Yeah, no open or shut. He's talking to a
1:58:26robot he thinks is a woman which is
1:58:28really being played by me and and he's
1:58:30incredibly homophobic.
1:58:32Cuz he hates homophobes. Because he
1:58:34hates homophobes.
1:58:38But Lauren himself can go like a
1:58:42thousand times harder than Diane Downs
1:58:45in terms of anger, especially when there
1:58:47are
1:58:48in the vicinity of his women. Yeah.
1:58:50Yeah.
1:58:51And if he's had a couple of Schlitz.
1:58:54Yeah.
1:58:55Just know when the suit is finished or
1:58:57just one at least.
1:58:59I want to I out of the post office,
1:59:01spend time with my kids.
1:59:05That's really nice. have a job, I see.
1:59:09Which kids you tried to kill?
1:59:10>> Pick up my car. Well, just the ones that
1:59:12didn't die.
1:59:14There's still two left, next Derek.
1:59:18Of course you need money to live on. Oh,
1:59:21I know.
1:59:23Tell me about it.
1:59:24>> it depends on how much I make.
1:59:26I'll invest it well and then if you
1:59:28don't have to work again.
1:59:30Oh, this is She's talking about what
1:59:31she's going to do with her $6 million
1:59:33dollar windfall. Invest it
1:59:35invest it wisely so she could just live
1:59:37off the interest and and supplement it
1:59:40with a postal income.
1:59:41Rachel became a YouTube member. Welcome.
1:59:45I think it's Rochelle. Rochelle, sorry.
1:59:47>> Maybe I could be wrong, I don't know.
1:59:49Rochelle, no it is probably it's
1:59:50Rochelle.
1:59:51rest of your life. Big race.
1:59:53Exactly, but you got to win the dust
1:59:55first before you can live off it.
1:59:57I know.
1:59:58That's why I said for a year.
2:00:00You know my brother has $25,000 and it's
2:00:03invested. You know how much money he
2:00:04makes every month on that?
2:00:06Um this better be a reasonable answer.
2:00:10Well, I don't know. Imagine enough to
2:00:12keep him warm. $250 a month.
2:00:161%?
2:00:21Good answer.
2:00:22Mhm.
2:00:24Plus my kids will make over $500.
2:00:27And I don't believe that either. That'd
2:00:28be 12% Well, this is the '80s so
2:00:30interest rates are high. Yeah, okay,
2:00:31it's possible.
2:00:33Cuz you really like a 20% APR then the
2:00:36Although I don't think banks were giving
2:00:37out 12% interest on deposits.
2:00:40He's probably got a savings and loan.
2:00:42He's going to lose that [ __ ] in like the
2:00:43next 3 years. a month for SSI.
2:00:49And that's only
2:00:50$25,000 for Paul.
2:00:52Mhm. Well, then my kids will have The
2:00:55kids will have enough money that Danny
2:00:57can have all kinds of therapy and he can
2:00:58have a full-time nurse so that he can
2:01:00walk again. I'm not going to let him sit
2:01:01in the chair the rest of his life. Oh,
2:01:04no? Tried to kill him.
2:01:05It's not really a matter of letting him.
2:01:09Oh, or you you're going to make him
2:01:11start to swim and just drown him. Is
2:01:12that what you're going to
2:01:13>> just going to drown probably. I'm going
2:01:14to tell him I don't love him anymore
2:01:16unless he walks.
2:01:18That will motivate him. I'm not going to
2:01:19sit in the chair. I'm going to throw him
2:01:21in the water so he I'm going to let him
2:01:23drown. Yeah.
2:01:25Let's move to You're going to put it in
2:01:26a big Olympic-size pool and then he's
2:01:28going to accidentally fall into it in
2:01:31his chair. trailer after you win the
2:01:34lawsuit and
2:01:36get your job back. Look, there's no
2:01:37reason for He can move his legs.
2:01:40He just doesn't feel it.
2:01:42It's not leprosy.
2:01:44I
2:01:46What's wrong with Diane?
2:01:49Oh god.
2:01:51Well, what do the doctors know? Maybe it
2:01:52is leprosy.
2:01:55He contracted leprosy in the car from
2:01:57the It was on the bullet.
2:02:00Yeah. My gosh.
2:02:03Ooh.
2:02:04Rochelle says, "I've been listening to
2:02:05all the past Lauren stuff and now I'm a
2:02:06convert. Yay, another one." Another one
2:02:11Uh where is it?
2:02:12>> And another one.
2:02:13Whoops.
2:02:17Yes, okay.
2:02:19Well, welcome to the gang, Rochelle.
2:02:22>> hear me out. Very, very happy and I
2:02:25welcome you.
2:02:28And if they do enough therapy, the
2:02:29feeling will come back.
2:02:31And I'm not just going to let him sit
2:02:32there.
2:02:33[Music]
2:02:35And I talked to a nurse that saw
2:02:36Christie come and see Danny once. Mhm.
2:02:39And
2:02:41um
2:02:42No, you know what it was? Do you
2:02:44remember the last time I was talking to
2:02:45you and I had to cut you off?
2:02:47Yeah, your lawyer called you or
2:02:48somebody. No, it was a reporter. Okay.
2:02:50But then somebody called and cut him off
2:02:53and it was a lady. She said "Tell my
2:02:55kids
2:02:56at the hospital." She said they're doing
2:02:58really good and Christie was doing good.
2:03:00And when Christie was leaving, she
2:03:01screamed out "I want you, Danny." Which
2:03:03means she's not real happy where she's
2:03:05at. She wants her family back together.
2:03:08But the
2:03:09Yeah, I can imagine she's having trouble
2:03:11adjusting to the murder of her sister,
2:03:13the paralyzing of her brother and being
2:03:14in foster care. And being
2:03:16>> That might have something to do with it.
2:03:17completely like
2:03:20having to learn how to talk again. Yeah.
2:03:23Uh Oh, okay, I forgot that part. So,
2:03:25she's saying Christie really knows how
2:03:26to talk. She's just choosing not to.
2:03:31Cuz she just said "I want you, Danny."
2:03:33She still has speech impediments to this
2:03:35day still.
2:03:37Yeah.
2:03:39Nurse said that the first time Christie
2:03:40came to see Danny once. Of course
2:03:42Christie couldn't talk.
2:03:44Uh-oh. Uh-oh. And another one. Got
2:03:47another lie.
2:03:49[Music]
2:03:51[Laughter]
2:03:57The care.
2:03:58Okay. She's doing good. That's what I'm
2:04:00trying to tell you.
2:04:02I talked him and back to her just like
2:04:04the The speech pathologist and the
2:04:05physical therapist said that she'd be
2:04:07back to perfect normal by the end of
2:04:08summer.
2:04:09Okay, well. And I haven't seen her for a
2:04:11month but it looks like below right.
2:04:13Well, if she can talk then you're
2:04:14covered.
2:04:16I know cuz she said "My mom didn't do
2:04:18it." Okay, then. I'm not covered though,
2:04:20Nick, because they're trying to teach
2:04:21her how to say other stuff.
2:04:22>> No, I don't I just don't believe that.
2:04:26I told the the sheriff that, too. And he
2:04:28said he's going to investigate PSP
2:04:30because
2:04:31he said "We got some really bad reports
2:04:33that everything that I said I know but
2:04:34there's no way Christie could say that
2:04:36because I didn't do it. That means
2:04:37somebody's feeding it to her." And I
2:04:38explained logically why that couldn't
2:04:40happen.
2:04:41And he leaned on his desk and he
2:04:44his face wrinkled up cuz they thought
2:04:46they had the case solved. Oh, man.
2:04:49They were so frustrated, huh?
2:04:52What do you have to burst their bubble,
2:04:53break that news to them?
2:04:55Damn, we thought THIS THING WAS SOLVED.
2:04:59THEY'RE EMBARRASSED.
2:05:01YEAH, it's embarrassing. It's
2:05:02embarrassing to them. Yeah.
2:05:05And he said it makes sense to Everything
2:05:07that I said made sense to him.
2:05:10It would be too long and detailed to
2:05:11explain it all but the way Christie said
2:05:13that she saw everything happen there's
2:05:15no way in hell she could have seen it
2:05:16that way.
2:05:18Okay. Christie was sound asleep when
2:05:20everything happened. Okay. And I proved
2:05:22it to him.
2:05:24How would you prove it?
2:05:26How How would you possibly I'm just
2:05:28saying in general. How could you prove
2:05:31that somebody was sleeping at a time
2:05:34like
2:05:34>> obvious that she was sleeping because
2:05:35her eyes were closed when
2:05:39Who?
2:05:42He's going to investigate PSP because
2:05:44they are tampering with the
2:05:45investigation.
2:05:47They're trying to trump up that.
2:05:51See? They're screwing things around.
2:05:53Okay.
2:05:54But anyway, when Christie went to see
2:05:56Danny the first time, she walked in She
2:05:57hadn't seen Danny for
2:05:59like 6 weeks, I guess. 5 weeks, 6 weeks.
2:06:02And she walked into Danny's room and
2:06:04started crying. Now, you don't know
2:06:06Christie that well but that means she's
2:06:07happy.
2:06:08She's always got that that add on now.
2:06:11This and that.
2:06:12>> Also, that that means this and this
2:06:14means that and that like Yeah, it's
2:06:15always
2:06:17Why would your daughter cry if she's
2:06:19happy?
2:06:21You don't know Christie.
2:06:22Next Derek.
2:06:24Or you can say that before I cut you
2:06:26off.
2:06:27She always says now and Yeah.
2:06:31She's explaining the importance of why
2:06:33she's saying something and yet it never
2:06:35becomes important. walked into Danny's
2:06:37room and started crying. Now, you don't
2:06:40know Christie that well but that means
2:06:41she's happy.
2:06:42When she sees somebody and she laughs
2:06:44and cries at the same time, she is so
2:06:46happy. Happier than anything.
2:06:48Yeah. And that's what she did the first
2:06:50time she saw Shera when Shera was first
2:06:51born and
2:06:53uh Christie saw her for the first time.
2:06:55Give me Christie was only 15 months old.
2:06:57She started crying because she was so
2:06:58happy for Shera. 15-month-old was
2:07:0215-month-old did that? She's crying
2:07:0415-month-old.
2:07:05Kids get their sibling, they try to
2:07:07strangle them with the
2:07:10Or like the 1-year-old.
2:07:12I don't think a 1-year-old is going to
2:07:13break down with emotion over seeing
2:07:15their sibling, baby.
2:07:18No.
2:07:19No, they're not.
2:07:22When she saw Danny, she started crying
2:07:24and Danny then she just cried cried
2:07:25cried and then Danny reached out and
2:07:27patted her on the back and rubbed her
2:07:28back and said "There, there. Do you feel
2:07:30better?"
2:07:31What was the point of the story, Dan?
2:07:33Isn't Danny the youngest?
2:07:35Yeah.
2:07:37Yeah, he was.
2:07:39No, Danny's the youngest. He He's
2:07:41paralyzed now, right? and I are so close
2:07:44and everybody's so [ __ ] up right now.
2:07:47Well, that's just going with everything
2:07:48that's going on. All right. Sounds like
2:07:50your kids like each other.
2:07:52Kids are close to each other, not you.
2:07:55No, I just want us to be back together
2:07:57because there is so much love for us and
2:07:59they're trying to take it apart and call
2:08:01everything a lie. All right. They're
2:08:03trying to say I don't love the kids and
2:08:04the kids don't love me.
2:08:07Ugh.
2:08:09Ugh.
2:08:10Good grief.
2:08:11So stupid.
2:08:13Whose back was Danny patting? When What
2:08:16was that about?
2:08:18Patting Christie's back. When?
2:08:21When Christie saw him and said
2:08:25"Oh my god, I miss you, Danny."
2:08:27Oh, I see. Okay.
2:08:30And the 3-year-old started patting her
2:08:31back. Right. As they do. Because the
2:08:3415-month-old
2:08:3615-month-old was crying
2:08:39out from emotion.
2:08:41Yeah, but the 15-month-old was crying
2:08:43when
2:08:44the baby was born. Yeah. Oh oh, I I'm
2:08:46sorry. I got the two mixed up. Yeah,
2:08:48it's Well, you're very high and she's
2:08:51very stupid so it's
2:08:53uh your fault.
2:08:56It's partially his fault.
2:08:58I don't want to blame
2:08:59this on him, although we don't know who
2:09:01did it.
2:09:03I got to go and I need to get off the
2:09:04phone. I don't think X-ray would be that
2:09:06high. It just doesn't seem like X-ray.
2:09:09Yeah, it's time for me to go report it.
2:09:14[Applause]
2:09:16If you know something, Diane, go tell
2:09:18them.
2:09:21I'm working tomorrow. I'll see what I
2:09:23can do after work. Well, can you go to
2:09:24the room anytime of the day or night?
2:09:27I'll see when I can fit it in. Yeah.
2:09:30She acts like she works at the in the
2:09:32Oval Office, you know.
2:09:33>> I ain't
2:09:34I've got my stories to get to watch. I
2:09:36mean, not that I'm not that being a mail
2:09:38carrier is not important. I'm just
2:09:39saying, you know. But no, she literally
2:09:41has nothing else to do. Doesn't She
2:09:43doesn't have to take care care of her
2:09:44kids right now. They've been taken away
2:09:45from her. She has nothing to do except
2:09:47for go to her shift and come home.
2:09:50Yeah, she got
2:09:51>> She talked to Nick.
2:09:52Yeah.
2:09:55The cops, I know we can talk to them
2:09:56anytime.
2:09:58They'll be there for you to talk to them
2:10:00if you want to talk to them. You know,
2:10:02you really gave me the strength and the
2:10:03courage to go and do it. All right, go
2:10:05and talk to them then.
2:10:14Now Diane's going to go in for her last
2:10:16I would love to tell the truth and get
2:10:17it all out. attempt for Nick. It would
2:10:19be such a weight off of me. Then do it.
2:10:23You're being a fool by not telling them
2:10:25the truth.
2:10:30I told my brother that a long time ago.
2:10:33Told him what a long time ago? Yes,
2:10:35Robin.
2:10:36What did you What did she say before
2:10:38that?
2:10:38Nothing. Okay.
2:10:40>> mid-sentence.
2:10:45He and my attorney were the only ones
2:10:46that knew that I did.
2:10:48I don't even
2:10:51He's going to say, "I don't even know
2:10:52what you're talking about."
2:10:53>> know.
2:10:54Sorry. Everything you say I know, I
2:10:56don't know [ __ ]
2:10:57Good. Keep it that way. I hear you. All
2:10:59right.
2:11:01I mean, you ain't telling me nothing.
2:11:03She's so irritating.
2:11:04>> No, it's been an hour and she has said
2:11:07nothing.
2:11:09Nothing.
2:11:09>> Well, no, she did add the detail that
2:11:12Okay, so what we've learned of evidence
2:11:15No, we know that she now has said that
2:11:17she didn't give the gun to Steve. She
2:11:19just put it in his truck. She now knows
2:11:22or she now has clarified that why does
2:11:24this gun matter? There's 20 million .22
2:11:26calibers. She has said that the person
2:11:29knew her and knew her name and said, "If
2:11:31you tell anyone I what happened, I'm
2:11:33going to kill you." And knew about the
2:11:35tattoo, I think.
2:11:37And knew about her tattoo, yes.
2:11:41Which again, I'm sure half the men in
2:11:43that county know what that [ __ ] stamp
2:11:45is from first-hand viewing.
2:11:47[Laughter]
2:11:50It actually says [ __ ] stamp. Yeah.
2:11:53Like I think it's [ __ ] stamp. So that's
2:11:55That's what it's supposed to be, right?
2:11:59Diane, you know more than you know. I
2:12:01don't say anything to anybody. You know
2:12:04more than you're telling me, and I know
2:12:06that, and you know that.
2:12:09No, I'm not. But I am.
2:12:12Why?
2:12:14You do. You're not telling me
2:12:15everything.
2:12:23I don't care what you say. I know you're
2:12:24not.
2:12:26I'm not telling you everything that
2:12:27happened word for word, detail by
2:12:29detail. That's the most important part
2:12:31of describing a crime. You've been
2:12:33talking for an hour and you still
2:12:34haven't done that. I know, but she's
2:12:36saying it like, "Well, I didn't give you
2:12:37all the details." That is what you're
2:12:39supposed to say.
2:12:42You've given us fluff.
2:12:44But I'm telling you what happened.
2:12:46Okay.
2:12:48You really haven't. You have not said
2:12:49what happened.
2:12:51Even a lie, even in you know,
2:12:54a fake She's not even making up
2:12:56something to believe as a lie. She's
2:12:58just saying nothing. I can sit down and
2:12:59explain it all.
2:13:01Okay.
2:13:03Bye Dwayne. Kissy face.
2:13:05I got plenty of time to tell the cops. I
2:13:06got plenty of time.
2:13:11I love you, Nick. You're okay.
2:13:13All right.
2:13:16I know I'm not supposed to say that.
2:13:18Then why'd you say it?
2:13:21I needed to talk to you. I was going to
2:13:22write you a letter and I just tore it
2:13:23up.
2:13:28[Music]
2:13:30Did you have a poem in there, Diane?
2:13:32One of these days I'll find a good
2:13:34companion.
2:13:35Then I can quit bugging you.
2:13:38Yeah.
2:13:39That would be good, but she's saying
2:13:41it's trying to get you know, I'm going
2:13:42to find somebody Somebody's going to
2:13:44scoop this right up.
2:13:45Who doesn't want to date mother of three
2:13:47kids a suspec- suspec- under suspicion
2:13:51of killing one of them and shooting the
2:13:52others. Okay.
2:13:58I'll try not to call again for a while.
2:14:01Okay.
2:14:03I don't think that promise will be kept.
2:14:05Thank you. You too. I will. All right.
2:14:08Bye-bye. Bye. All right.
2:14:11That's the end of call four. Now we're
2:14:13going to move on to call five, which
2:14:16occurs Let's see here.
2:14:19Three days later. So she waited a little
2:14:21bit. Yeah.
2:14:24[Music]
2:14:36[Applause]
2:14:36[Music]
2:14:53What's up? I wanted to tell you what a
2:14:55great job the sheriff's office is doing.
2:14:59I sense sarcasm.
2:15:00I got a phone call from the Springfield
2:15:02News. Wait, I I can't hear you at all on
2:15:04this phone. Let me go get on the other
2:15:06phone. All I hear is ringing.
2:15:10Uh unfortunately, I think it's on her
2:15:12end.
2:15:17[Music]
2:15:24Can't stand that sound.
2:15:27[Music]
2:15:31What is that? What's going on there? Uh
2:15:32the ringing's still there, but go ahead.
2:15:36I just wanted to tell you that I got a
2:15:37call from Springfield News. Uh-huh. They
2:15:40know about that meeting that the sheriff
2:15:42and I had Friday night. And I told him
2:15:44that there wasn't really anything I
2:15:45could tell him.
2:15:46And you know what he said? Burke said he
2:15:48got through to Burke.
2:15:49The sheriff. Uh-huh. And Burke said,
2:15:51"There's really nothing I can tell you.
2:15:52It was all a charade."
2:15:56What?
2:15:58What? The meeting was
2:15:59>> cook. Let her cook. Well, I'm I'm not
2:16:01following. He says that I went there
2:16:04just to play along with the game, the
2:16:06story that I've told. It was all a
2:16:07charade.
2:16:09I didn't go there to help them or to
2:16:11communicate. I was simply whatever. It
2:16:14was a charade.
2:16:16Oh, she now has gone to tell them about
2:16:19what the guy said as he was killing her
2:16:22her child. Right. She's ki- She's saying
2:16:25it's all a charade. Because she went in
2:16:27there and said the same thing like, "I
2:16:29don't I If I knew who it was, I would
2:16:31prove it and then I would tell everyone.
2:16:33Or I don't, but the thing is I don't
2:16:35know who did it, but they know me."
2:16:37She's going with all this stuff. And
2:16:38then surprisingly, when the newspaper
2:16:40contacted the sheriff, the sheriff said,
2:16:43"Yeah, she's full of shit."
2:16:46Well, makes sense to me, Diane.
2:16:48I believe it's pronounced charade.
2:16:51Charade.
2:16:53Charade? Oh, sh- Charade. No, it's like
2:16:56it's charade.
2:16:59Let's play a game of charades.
2:17:09Who called you and told you this?
2:17:10Springfield News. She's getting her
2:17:12information from the Springfield News.
2:17:14Well, no, the Springfield News then
2:17:16called her for comment saying, "Hey, we
2:17:18understand that you talked to the
2:17:18sheriff. The sheriff said that you're
2:17:20basically lying. Would you care to
2:17:22comment?" Right. And she was like,
2:17:24"Well, I have to call Nick now cuz he's
2:17:25really going to want to know this."
2:17:27Well, she didn't give them a comment cuz
2:17:29she said, "I can't really talk about it,
2:17:30and now I'm going to go talk to Nick."
2:17:32But they're they're not They're not
2:17:34calling She's treating it like they're
2:17:35calling to You will not believe what the
2:17:37sheriff just said. OMG.
2:17:41What?
2:17:44They're going to put that in the paper.
2:17:46[Music]
2:17:48A quote from law enforcement? Yeah,
2:17:49probably. You could have your quote in
2:17:50there, too, Diane. Well, I'll say I
2:17:52mean, it's
2:17:54Yeah.
2:17:55That's right. She did not visit.
2:17:57Maybe you should try calling me back,
2:17:59Diane. All I get Can you hear that
2:18:00ringing? Yes, I can. Okay. That's
2:18:02basically all I can hear. All right.
2:18:05I'll call you back.
2:18:05>> Okay. Bye. Bye.
2:18:08Then does They don't answer. That's what
2:18:10I would
2:18:10Okay. Still there? Yeah. We still got a
2:18:13ringing, but I guess we're going to put
2:18:15up with it.
2:18:16Well, I won't talk. It's the uh
2:18:19It's
2:18:22It's a 10K hiss tone from the FBI line
2:18:24tap.
2:18:25Yeah,
2:18:26exactly.
2:18:28And she won't talk that long, my ass.
2:18:33Actually, this one's only a half hour, I
2:18:34think. Or maybe is it less?
2:18:36I don't know. that long. I just wanted
2:18:38to tell you what the sheriff is
2:18:40thinking.
2:18:42Well,
2:18:43he doesn't want to talk to me. He says
2:18:46that I'm just playing a charade.
2:18:49Okay.
2:18:51So I don't feel like helping it. He's
2:18:52going to fall flat on his face. Uh
2:18:55That's fine.
2:18:57It's fine. It
2:18:58doesn't matter if they
2:19:00What?
2:19:01He doesn't want to talk to me.
2:19:03He doesn't want to talk to me? You know
2:19:04what? I'm not going to help him solve
2:19:06the murder of my child.
2:19:07>> That's right.
2:19:12Let's see how stupid he looks. He
2:19:14deserves that.
2:19:17What you don't understand
2:19:20I don't know. I don't know how to tell
2:19:22you.
2:19:23Um
2:19:26I just think if you know something
2:19:30you ought to tell them.
2:19:32What were you going to say though?
2:19:34Uh I think you killed your kids.
2:19:38I was going to say just that.
2:19:40You said what?
2:19:43I said what or I said what? You said
2:19:45what. I'm not worried.
2:19:47I'm not worried about the cops and all
2:19:49that [ __ ] I think if you know something
2:19:52you need to go tell them.
2:19:54Yeah, I was slipping said you were
2:19:56worried about me. Oh Jesus. Oh my god.
2:20:01She's so hung up on any any clue.
2:20:05>> She's like you slipped you said you were
2:20:07worried about me.
2:20:09She's got some a lot of nerve. That's
2:20:11all she's looking for. That's all she's
2:20:13hyper focused on. What did I say? Every
2:20:16time for the last hour that's what I've
2:20:18been saying. That's all she cares about.
2:20:20to bed.
2:20:24You're crazy. You still think I should
2:20:26tell them even though they're acting
2:20:27like a bunch of [ __ ] Really?
2:20:29>> What the hell choice you have but to
2:20:31tell them?
2:20:32Right?
2:20:33You want me to call you? I can't hear
2:20:35[ __ ] Yes, call. And if it doesn't work
2:20:38this time we'll just quit. Okay. I like
2:20:41they're just trying to piss me off.
2:20:43503 503
2:20:46741 741 4059
2:20:504059.
2:20:52Okay, I'll call in just a second. Thank
2:20:54you. Bye. Bye. Thank you.
2:21:11He's using a rotary.
2:21:15Sounds like he's
2:21:21Ba ba ba ba ba bounce the ball. Give me
2:21:23give me give me the ball because I'm
2:21:24going to dunk it.
2:21:25Uh the ringing is Huh? Huh? I told my
2:21:29brother that I was on the phone. Oh,
2:21:30okay. He's in the other room just so you
2:21:32know who called. The ringing is gone.
2:21:35All right. Okay, now start from the very
2:21:37beginning cuz I don't even know what
2:21:38you're talking about. Okay. The very
2:21:40beginning I told you the truth.
2:21:43I told my attorney the truth. I told my
2:21:44brother the truth. You told me I should
2:21:46tell the cops the truth. Mhm.
2:21:49And I was going to but then Springfield
2:21:52News called about 5 minutes ago at the
2:21:55most
2:21:57and he just told me that Sheriff Burke
2:21:58thinks I'm playing a charade. And No no
2:22:01no no. It's a charade.
2:22:04Thank you.
2:22:06>> She just said in that sentence
2:22:08and I'm going to do that. But then
2:22:12they said I was playing charade when I
2:22:13went down Then you already tried to do
2:22:15it, didn't you?
2:22:17Yeah, I thought that was the whole point
2:22:19here. Isn't that what he the sheriff is
2:22:20talking about?
2:22:21Yeah, but she's saying I was going to do
2:22:23that.
2:22:25But in the story she already has done
2:22:27that. Oh, back it up.
2:22:30from the very beginning cuz I don't even
2:22:32know what you're talking about. Okay.
2:22:34The very beginning I told you the truth.
2:22:37I told my attorney the truth. I told my
2:22:38brother the truth. You told me I should
2:22:40tell the cops the truth. Mhm.
2:22:42>> She doesn't say anything though.
2:22:44No, the truth is there was the bushy man
2:22:46that was out in the middle of the road.
2:22:48I thought the truth was she knows
2:22:50someone does it did it but she doesn't
2:22:52know who. No, she's saying she's told
2:22:54the truth from the very beginning. She
2:22:55is establishing she's not a liar.
2:22:58And I was going to but then Springfield
2:23:01News called
2:23:03She's That's what That's where she just
2:23:04said it. And you told me I should tell
2:23:05the cops the truth and I was going to.
2:23:09called about
2:23:10>> Charade
2:23:11>> 5 minutes ago at the most old French.
2:23:15Okay. He just told me that Sheriff
2:23:16Compare it to the Spanish charlar.
2:23:20Hold on.
2:23:21my brother the truth. You told me I
2:23:23should tell the cops the truth. Mhm.
2:23:25And I was going to
2:23:28I was going to tell the cops the truth.
2:23:30>> Springfield News called about 5 minutes
2:23:33ago at the most
2:23:35and he just told me that Sheriff Burke
2:23:37thinks I'm playing a charade and that's
2:23:39why I went down to his office. Charade
2:23:41you liar. Charade. They probably do.
2:23:43Cuz you haven't told them everything you
2:23:45know.
2:23:46Exactly, Nick. What is she talking
2:23:48about? What So was she did go down
2:23:50there?
2:23:51But then
2:23:52the newspaper called her about her going
2:23:54down there. So that's why she's no
2:23:56longer going to go down there. What?
2:23:59I mean that's just natural. Cops are
2:24:01that way. And by your own words you
2:24:03haven't told them the truth. So why
2:24:05would he not think you're lying?
2:24:07Diane, you know they always
2:24:10That's just the way cops are.
2:24:13Thanks though. They're just
2:24:15They don't know so they just I mean
2:24:17>> blame it on me. Well, they blame it on
2:24:21Blame it on the bugger.
2:24:22>> that. I don't know that they blame it on
2:24:24you totally but you're not charades. If
2:24:27they don't understand they're simply
2:24:29saying I haven't told them everything.
2:24:31Which you admitted yourself on this call
2:24:33just three times that you haven't done
2:24:36that.
2:24:38Right. I go along with that. Yeah. Okay.
2:24:42I mean if there's something you haven't
2:24:45told them.
2:24:47Well, I know that and now you know that
2:24:49but they didn't know that. Well
2:24:51My god. She thinks everyone
2:24:53>> that and you know that but they don't
2:24:55know that they didn't know that.
2:24:58They didn't know I didn't tell them the
2:24:59whole truth. How could they possibly
2:25:01know? Cuz your story is [ __ ] Diane.
2:25:03That's how they know. They know you're
2:25:05lying. They don't know anything.
2:25:08Okay, so
2:25:10Why would they think it was a farce?
2:25:12Well, I don't know. That's
2:25:13Hell, that's
2:25:14>> Cuz the story makes no sense.
2:25:16>> they always think
2:25:17you know
2:25:18Listen, Diane. That's their job, Diane.
2:25:21You think I believe it?
2:25:23So you still think I should tell them?
2:25:26Oh my god. I can't I can't help I
2:25:31I don't know I don't even understand
2:25:33what the point of her manipulation is
2:25:34right now.
2:25:36Like what is what is her purpose in this
2:25:38discussion? I think she called him
2:25:40originally. I mean to say to tell him
2:25:43you know she got to call
2:25:45part of it is probably true like this
2:25:46paper called her and maybe
2:25:49something happened that led her to say
2:25:50that. And the reason she's telling him
2:25:52that is because it's been on her mind
2:25:54that he told her go tell them something.
2:25:56I'm sure she didn't. But But not go tell
2:25:59the paper.
2:26:00Huh? Well, no. I think I think what
2:26:03she's Actually, I do now Now that you
2:26:04say that I think what she's doing is
2:26:07because he said go to talk to the cops.
2:26:09She's making up her some lame story of
2:26:12why she didn't tell them the truth yet.
2:26:14And look what they did. See how corrupt
2:26:16everyone is. You have to believe that
2:26:18I'm innocent and everyone else is
2:26:19corrupt. And you still think I should do
2:26:20it? Don't you see how corrupt they are?
2:26:22Yeah. Like this is all
2:26:23>> and said that they think I'm a charade
2:26:25and they don't care. And so why should I
2:26:27talk to them? Yeah.
2:26:29You think I believe it?
2:26:31Do you still think I should tell them?
2:26:33Now they're going to think I'm just
2:26:34trying to cover my ass.
2:26:36That's what they already think.
2:26:41It is Skeletor. I only see Skeletor when
2:26:43I see her.
2:26:45Exactly. You damn well better be trying
2:26:47to cover your ass.
2:26:48You know me. I'm the type of person
2:26:50that'll cut off my nose spite my face.
2:26:52Well Then I'll
2:26:54Is that what she did? She cut off her
2:26:56nose. That's why she looks so hideous.
2:26:58I mean
2:27:00cuz it was casting a shadow and making
2:27:01it look like she has a mustache but she
2:27:03doesn't.
2:27:05I hate those And cutting off your nose
2:27:06to spite your face is
2:27:08it's
2:27:09it's it's representation of being
2:27:11self-destructive. It's stupid. Yeah. You
2:27:14know me. I'm stupid. I hate those kind
2:27:17of like people those kind of statements
2:27:19like I'm the kind of person who
2:27:21It's just so weird.
2:27:23Insert idiom here.
2:27:26The ugly, I know. Yeah.
2:27:30I'll be the only lady in jail with a
2:27:32rose tattoo.
2:27:33Oh.
2:27:35A rose tattoo.
2:27:37Yeah, well you don't want to be in jail.
2:27:40No, I'm trying to be light about this.
2:27:42Well, it's just murder.
2:27:44Let's say one of my kids is dead and the
2:27:46other one's paralyzed forever. It's been
2:27:492 months. Let's move on.
2:27:53This ain't
2:27:54This ain't nothing to be
2:27:57I guess you do feel trapped. I'd feel
2:27:58trapped too and I'd be telling every
2:28:00goddamn thing I knew.
2:28:02I mean I'd tell
2:28:04[ __ ] you can tell them to take the lie
2:28:06detector test. I don't You know, you
2:28:08tell them everything.
2:28:10You know.
2:28:13Hey.
2:28:15All right. I'll tell them. Okay. They
2:28:17don't deserve it but I will. But Diane,
2:28:19we They don't deserve it?
2:28:21It's the cops. This is personal. This is
2:28:24personal Now it's personal. Yes. Yes.
2:28:26Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
2:28:28You ain't interested in who deserves
2:28:30what. You know, you're fighting for
2:28:32keeping your ass out of jail. Sweet. If
2:28:35you keep going up like that you're going
2:28:36to make me think you almost like me.
2:28:39Oh my god.
2:28:42She she's on cloud nine because she
2:28:44thinks well I'm telling you to do this
2:28:46for your own safety." Oh, you like me.
2:28:49But, you like it. I'm a lucky spagow.
2:28:52>> I'm a lucky big guy.
2:28:54Oh, well, I might almost like you, but
2:28:57anyway. Sometimes you almost need to.
2:28:59Well, Diane, I'm just
2:29:01Don't
2:29:02Don't be a smart ass. Don't be a smart
2:29:04ass, yeah.
2:29:05I mean, your ass is going to jail if
2:29:08you don't come up with something better.
2:29:10But, see, that's what they're going to
2:29:11think. They're going to think I'm making
2:29:13it up.
2:29:14And I'm not.
2:29:18What the
2:29:20What what? What is that that that one I
2:29:23don't know what article. I can't tell
2:29:25you. I've seen so damn many. I'm sorry.
2:29:26>> But, about Christie drawing a picture of
2:29:28someone going to the car to the back of
2:29:30the car and then to the front of the
2:29:32car. What's all that about? That's a
2:29:34lie.
2:29:35Okay, so got it.
2:29:37>> So, she's not just lying with her words,
2:29:38she's lying with her art. Well, she
2:29:40can't lie with her words because she
2:29:41can't talk anymore.
2:29:43Well, but the words she's saying that
2:29:45Christie's telling lies, right? Because
2:29:46they're coaching her. But, now they're
2:29:48coaching her
2:29:49They're coaching her through art.
2:29:50They're like, "See how I'm drawing this,
2:29:52Christie? See how I'm drawing the car
2:29:53here? And why don't we draw
2:29:56Why don't we draw just a little little
2:29:58gun right here? Yeah, a little happy
2:30:00gun. Why don't we just draw your mom in
2:30:03front of the car walking around holding
2:30:05that little gun? And we'll just do the
2:30:06little wispy queue of smoke coming out
2:30:09of this cottage in the back. And
2:30:12Yeah.
2:30:13Her lying is kind of she little bit
2:30:15reminds me of that uh Prince that Prince
2:30:17Andrew
2:30:18interview.
2:30:19>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I
2:30:21can't respire, so. Yeah, I can't
2:30:23respire. Uh
2:30:24well, I went to Pizza Express. Right.
2:30:27Just a whole like bunch of nada.
2:30:30The thing is, I've never seen uh them
2:30:32with a camera.
2:30:34So, that can't be part of me. That's
2:30:35That was on the second floor, and I've
2:30:37never been to the second floor. And I've
2:30:38never been to the second floor.
2:30:41Sherrod. She didn't draw the picture?
2:30:43Huh? She didn't draw the picture? She
2:30:45probably drew the picture, but she drew
2:30:47it because anybody can tell a child draw
2:30:49a picture going from here to here and
2:30:51back. Uh-huh. Any 8-year-old can do
2:30:54that.
2:30:55Because that's what the cops were asking
2:30:56me about. They said, "We have heard
2:30:58reports from Susan Stafford that
2:30:59Christie has made a report that Mommy
2:31:01got out of the car, went to the front,
2:31:02got something out of the trunk, came
2:31:04back up to the driver's door, and all
2:31:05the bad stuff started happening."
2:31:07Fits with all the evidence. Okay, and
2:31:10Okay. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. [ __ ] You know
2:31:13why?
2:31:14Why? You know how little my car is?
2:31:17You can't hold a gun?
2:31:20What?
2:31:23Okay. Yeah.
2:31:24Christie and Danny were in the back seat
2:31:26laying down. Uh-huh. Oh, great. The
2:31:29phone's ringing again. Christie and
2:31:30Danny were in the back seat laying down.
2:31:33If Christie was awake, I said Christie
2:31:35was asleep cuz she was.
2:31:37If Christie was awake,
2:31:39Christie would have sat up. If Mommy
2:31:42gets out of the car in the middle of the
2:31:44night on a dark deserted road and goes
2:31:46to the back of the car, is Christie just
2:31:47going to lay there and presume
2:31:49something? No, she's only getting laid
2:31:52again. No, no, no, no, but but the
2:31:55No, Christie
2:31:56would sit up. Okay, by your logic,
2:31:58Diane, yeah, if Mommy got out of the
2:32:00car, Christie would sit up. And then she
2:32:02might see you get out of the car, go to
2:32:04the back of the car, get something out
2:32:05of the trunk, come back up to the front
2:32:06of the car. That's how she would see it
2:32:08because she wouldn't be just laying
2:32:09there sleeping, would she, Diane?
2:32:11What is this lie?
2:32:16No. If she was awake enough to know what
2:32:18the hell was going on,
2:32:20first of all, she wouldn't have seen me
2:32:21go to the back of the car. She would
2:32:23have seen somebody shoot her.
2:32:26Oh.
2:32:27What?
2:32:29Why? As it was, the bullet entered
2:32:32somewhere down by her rib cage,
2:32:35exited up at her shoulder right by the
2:32:37her neck by the base of her neck. The
2:32:39aim. Both bullets.
2:32:41Came from the bottom to the top. So, she
2:32:44was in the back seat? Yeah. So, that
2:32:46means the joker had to get in the No, he
2:32:48reached through, I guess.
2:32:50Now, let's see. What else could it be?
2:32:52>> Let's think about this one.
2:32:54No, let's see.
2:32:55Uh let's say your mother starts shooting
2:32:57your siblings, you're scared, so you go
2:32:59from the back seat down into the
2:33:00footwell on your side, so when you get
2:33:01shot in the rib and it's going this
2:33:03direction, comes out through your uh
2:33:05shoulder, that is exactly how it could
2:33:07happen there, Diane. Thank you for
2:33:09proving another scenario.
2:33:12[Music]
2:33:16Yeah, Christie testified in court. Said
2:33:18>> Oh, really? Which is the one that shot
2:33:20me. Yeah, she pointed. They're like,
2:33:21"Can you point at the person who shot
2:33:23you?" And she was like, "That [ __ ]
2:33:24right there."
2:33:25You mean he didn't know that?
2:33:27He must He must have got in the car and
2:33:29shot him. Looking at Christie.
2:33:32I know, but
2:33:34She
2:33:36Did she just say, "No, I was looking at
2:33:38Christie"?
2:33:39Well, what I guess what I'm asking you
2:33:41is did she shoot the kid?
2:33:42Did he shoot the kid through the
2:33:43windshield or did he get in the door and
2:33:45shoot him? Yeah, that's what I'm
2:33:47wondering, too. That's That's all I was
2:33:49asking. That's what you mean by in.
2:33:50Okay.
2:33:52So, anyway, when she was shot,
2:33:55Anyhoo, under like
2:33:57below her like in the middle of her rib
2:33:59cage or so.
2:34:00Well, did she shoot it from the bottom
2:34:01from underneath the car, Diane? Yeah,
2:34:04someone was hiding underneath the
2:34:05>> Please, just come on. Put it up had the
2:34:08trouble foot up. Also, trajectory will
2:34:11prove that when you get shot, the bullet
2:34:14can only pass through the muscle at one
2:34:16angle. Right. given
2:34:18Now, she's giving Lori Daybell.
2:34:20>> Yeah, now she's she's doing the CSI.
2:34:23Yeah.
2:34:24When you get shot, the bullet can't turn
2:34:26inside of you.
2:34:28Well, but what is she saying?
2:34:30The
2:34:31She's saying
2:34:32when you get shot, the the bullet can
2:34:35only
2:34:35go one direction through the muscle,
2:34:37right?
2:34:38Okay. How does that
2:34:41Well, like are you saying that there's
2:34:43evidence that it turned? Cuz if there's
2:34:44not, then what's the problem?
2:34:47movement. Right. Christie was laying
2:34:49with with her
2:34:51back to the seat and her neck kind of
2:34:53bent and her head along the side the
2:34:57wall of the car.
2:34:59Back to her seat.
2:35:00Back to her seat, head kind of bent
2:35:02from the side of the wall, right? So, if
2:35:03I'm in the back, right? This would be
2:35:05the A-pillar or the C-pillar in the
2:35:07back, right?
2:35:09Okay. Okay.
2:35:11When she was shot the first time, that's
2:35:13the bullet that passed through her body,
2:35:14I'm assuming, because the second one
2:35:16went through her hand, and it didn't get
2:35:19all the way out of her body.
2:35:21Okay, maybe The bullet is either in the
2:35:22seat or in the side of the car. So,
2:35:24everything that Susan Stafford has
2:35:26taught Christie to say is a bunch of
2:35:28lies.
2:35:29I don't understand that.
2:35:31I mean, obviously she's lying, right?
2:35:33But, I don't get what she is talking
2:35:36about. Uh
2:35:37Is it disputed that she was shot? No.
2:35:41What
2:35:42Okay. There's no way Christie could have
2:35:44seen all that and still been in that
2:35:46position.
2:35:47All speaks to
2:35:49dastardly. It's a known fact. Well, she
2:35:51just said herself she was sitting up
2:35:53with her back against the seat and her
2:35:55head leaning against the the side of the
2:35:57car, right? How would
2:35:59I mean, that's not even saying that you
2:36:01were laying down sleeping. She's just
2:36:03sitting there in the seat sleeping. What
2:36:05What is the difference between that and
2:36:06being awake? You're just opening your
2:36:08eyes. Didn't she say that Christie was
2:36:10the only one who raised up? I remember
2:36:13those words.
2:36:13>> Yeah, raised up her hand to try and stop
2:36:16it. Yeah. I thought she had raised up
2:36:18like
2:36:21Oh, like like fought back.
2:36:22No, like stood like
2:36:25Oh, stood up. Oh, I got you. I got you.
2:36:28Yeah, I got you. Either way, that She
2:36:29said raise your hand. Means she was not
2:36:32asleep, no.
2:36:34Um no, of course.
2:36:37Yeah, what am I doing? Exactly. That's
2:36:40That's Diane answered. Exactly. Yeah,
2:36:42that's why I said it. Yeah, that's why I
2:36:44said it. Didn't she know I've been
2:36:46trying to prove this whole thing to you,
2:36:47but I knew if I just told you all
2:36:48directly, you wouldn't believe it. So, I
2:36:50had to say the opposite and then tell
2:36:52you all that when it didn't make sense
2:36:54and you pointed out, then I say,
2:36:55"Exactly. That's what I wanted you to
2:36:56get it all along."
2:36:58[Music]
2:37:02Okay. Where were you when shooting was
2:37:05going on? By the back the little wing,
2:37:07the little triangle-shaped wing.
2:37:11So, you were by the back of the car?
2:37:17Oh, come on.
2:37:18>> Why weren't you kicking the boy in the
2:37:20balls or something? What?
2:37:22Why Why wasn't she kicking the boy in
2:37:24the balls? Meaning the attacker. Why
2:37:26wasn't she kicking the attacker?
2:37:28Not Not Daniel. Okay. Good. What's going
2:37:31on here?
2:37:32Because I was frozen.
2:37:34Frozen. Well, okay. That's a good enough
2:37:36answer.
2:37:37I'm sorry, and I'm ashamed of it, but I
2:37:39just I
2:37:41saw him. I knew he was mad at me, and I
2:37:44just never thought anybody would hurt
2:37:45the kids.
2:37:49Well, he was mad at you cuz you wouldn't
2:37:50give him your car.
2:37:52And I saw him reach towards the car, and
2:37:53my first thought was to look at the kids
2:37:56cuz they're part of me.
2:37:58Oh, god. So, you're They're both Okay, I
2:38:01get it. They're both looking in on the
2:38:02car, the attacker and Diane. She's She's
2:38:05no longer focused on the attacker.
2:38:06They're both staring in to look at the
2:38:08children.
2:38:10And I saw Christie get shot, and I just
2:38:12froze. I just my mind completely locked
2:38:15until he swung around towards me again.
2:38:18And then I was in trouble, so I had to
2:38:20react.
2:38:22Yeah.
2:38:23And that's when he hit my hand with a
2:38:24gun.
2:38:26Well, when
2:38:27you told me the first time you called
2:38:29something I mean, when you called me at
2:38:31the post office, something about
2:38:34throwing your keys or pretending to
2:38:35throw your keys or some [ __ ] When did
2:38:38that happen? It did.
2:38:40Oh, so that was a lie though?
2:38:42Okay.
2:38:43Then how'd she get away?
2:38:48Oh.
2:38:49Okay.
2:38:51But I had to give a good reason that I
2:38:53got away. I couldn't just tell them that
2:38:55I that he walked away from me.
2:38:57Yeah, cuz that would sound stupid. The
2:38:59man can't hear that.
2:39:02Why not? I don't want to have this story
2:39:04not make sense. Well, why not?
2:39:07Because that's the truth. And the guy
2:39:09said that they're not telling the truth.
2:39:11Oh. What about the guy said something
2:39:14else now?
2:39:15But what why did you Why did you mention
2:39:17a guy at all then? Why did you mention a
2:39:19guy shooting your kids? That's part of
2:39:21the truth, right? You said all
2:39:22everything before the keys was truth.
2:39:24But why did you tell that part?
2:39:26The keys is the inconsequential truth.
2:39:28Why Why not just
2:39:31include that?
2:39:33I was the guy that did the shooting.
2:39:35Yeah.
2:39:36Diane, you got to go talk to the police.
2:39:40I don't trust them.
2:39:42Well, Jesus, they don't trust you,
2:39:43either.
2:39:45No [ __ ] And um yeah.
2:39:47So why would they believe anything I
2:39:48said? Well, then
2:39:51Um
2:39:53That's why if they would just drop it, I
2:39:55would find out who did it and take care
2:39:57of it myself. And if I didn't find out,
2:39:59at least I'd protect myself from now on,
2:40:01and I wouldn't let anybody come near me.
2:40:02Yeah.
2:40:03It's just so Leticia's style. This is so
2:40:06Leticia's style.
2:40:07You know?
2:40:09>> Uh yeah. If they would just drop the
2:40:11whole murder case, I will figure it out.
2:40:14Yeah, and like what is like how why are
2:40:16they trying so hard to figure this out?
2:40:20What is the big deal with my gun? I
2:40:23mean, if I'm willing to let it go, it's
2:40:24my kids.
2:40:27Well, not really my kids, though. It's
2:40:28my step stepson, but I mean
2:40:33Isn't it her
2:40:34They're her kids, all of them or no?
2:40:36No, I meant uh Leticia. Oh, yeah, yeah,
2:40:38yeah. No, yeah. But she's like, you
2:40:41know, why are they pursuing this if
2:40:45I don't care. Why should they care?
2:40:49Uh
2:40:50I'll tell you what.
2:40:51>> find out at least I'd protect myself
2:40:53from now on, and I wouldn't let anybody
2:40:54come near me. And I have
2:40:56They're not going to drop it. I know.
2:40:58I'm beginning to understand that. I'm
2:41:00beginning to get the idea that this is
2:41:02really serious to them. They're making a
2:41:05really big deal about this. They are
2:41:08being relentless on this whole murder
2:41:10thing.
2:41:11Oh, hell, Diane.
2:41:13I mean,
2:41:14they got a murder. I know. And they're
2:41:17not going to drop it.
2:41:19I mean, they may not find out anything,
2:41:20but they're not going to drop it.
2:41:23I mean, it's as simple as that. I mean,
2:41:24it's gone too far. I know.
2:41:30I I don't think Diane understands
2:41:32what the it's gone too far
2:41:34uh she probably thinks I know that
2:41:36they're in too deep into persecuting me
2:41:38is what she thinks that Yeah. he's
2:41:41saying, not
2:41:42uh it's a murder now.
2:41:46It is too big of a crime to ignore.
2:41:49Jesus, Diane. Yes, huh?
2:41:52Well, it just
2:41:55Yeah, you got your ass in a real crack.
2:41:58I didn't ask for it. Well, I'm not
2:42:01saying you asked for it, but you
2:42:05You lied to them.
2:42:06Yeah. What you talking my place? I don't
2:42:09You're not 6 ft 1. You're 5 ft 6. You're
2:42:10female. You have no husband, nobody to
2:42:12protect Okay, okay. Yeah, talk about the
2:42:14patriarchy again. Come on. Yeah. Also,
2:42:175 ft 6 is pretty tall, especially back
2:42:19then for a woman. And you look like a
2:42:20man. So, let's not play that.
2:42:22>> Yeah.
2:42:23I need your car, sir. I'm a woman.
2:42:28Really?
2:42:29Oh, I mean I mean I need your car,
2:42:31ma'am.
2:42:36You were born that way?
2:42:38You're not 6 ft 1. You're 5 ft 6. You're
2:42:40female. You have no husband, nobody to
2:42:42protect you. You have three little kids
2:42:44who are hurt. And No, they weren't hurt
2:42:47until you pulled over. Yeah, they were
2:42:49fine before you got involved. Oh, here's
2:42:51a new line.
2:42:53This joker has just shot up your kids
2:42:55This joker?
2:42:56Interesting description of the murder.
2:42:59and said, "Now get the hell out of here,
2:43:01and don't you say a word to anybody or
2:43:02I'll come back and get rid of you, too."
2:43:05You have to think of something fast on
2:43:06the way to the hospital while you're
2:43:07driving.
2:43:09It's
2:43:10I think that's verbatim majority used in
2:43:13her retelling.
2:43:15You know, they took my license They took
2:43:17They knew my address, and they said,
2:43:18"Don't you tell the last one." Yeah.
2:43:22Don't say anything or they'll come back
2:43:24and get you. They were ninjas, weren't
2:43:26they ninjas, too? Uh I mean, I always
2:43:29thought it'd be funny if somebody
2:43:30replayed or reenacted it with just the
2:43:33people reappearing pop pop pop like
2:43:35they're They're always changing where
2:43:37they're at.
2:43:39Yeah, cuz she kind of probably had them
2:43:41dressed like ninjas, I thought. Yeah,
2:43:43they they were just all black with with
2:43:45balaclavas on.
2:43:47Yeah. And they're constantly whispering
2:43:49into the ear like uh
2:43:51And then he said,
2:43:52And then he
2:43:53So, just having close-up on the the
2:43:56mouths of them
2:43:58And then he came back.
2:43:59You think of something that sounds
2:44:01logical. You get to the hospital.
2:44:03You tell them the story.
2:44:07You don't Sorry, just recap. She's
2:44:09saying why she made up the lie about
2:44:11throwing the keys when the instead of
2:44:12saying what the guy actually said that
2:44:14"Now get the hell out of here, and don't
2:44:16tell anyone."
2:44:17Uh she made up a story on the way to the
2:44:19hospital that would make sense, and she
2:44:23just doesn't run into the hospital and
2:44:24say I'm just running in and saying
2:44:27Somebody hired somebody to shoot me
2:44:29because the guy's still in the state.
2:44:30It'll come out in the papers the next
2:44:32day. So-and-so was attacked by a hitman
2:44:36for we don't know who, but we're going
2:44:37to find out. [ __ ] They'll now have
2:44:39me dead before they find out.
2:44:42Diane, that is the worst version yet.
2:44:45Why would you assume somebody paid to
2:44:48have you killed?
2:44:50Oh, because they knew your name. Okay,
2:44:52why would they
2:44:53>> to have Diane killed?
2:44:54>> No, nobody would, but like Diane, why
2:44:57did they have to pee in your penis?
2:44:58>> killed when you could probably get
2:44:59someone to do it for free?
2:45:03Because they had to kill the children,
2:45:05not Diane, remember? I got that, yeah.
2:45:08Cuz if they killed her, then she'd be no
2:45:11more suffering. But now if they go and
2:45:13say that somebody's out to kill her,
2:45:14then she's going to be in trouble, and
2:45:16they're really going to kill her. Yeah.
2:45:21A story like that's got to be
2:45:23believable. They're like, "I will give
2:45:25you 10 grand if 10 grand if you make it
2:45:27hurt when she ties her shoes, cuz she
2:45:30will hate that."
2:45:31Uh can't tie my damn shoes.
2:45:33>> Right. Well, Diane,
2:45:36even if he attempted it, at least it
2:45:38would prove your story.
2:45:40Attempted nothing. The man did it the
2:45:42first time.
2:45:44I don't think people like that just
2:45:45attempt things. They do it.
2:45:51Jesus, Diane. He killed one of my
2:45:53daughters.
2:45:53>> Jesus, Diane should be the title of all
2:45:57of these calls. Jesus, Diane.
2:46:02Yeah.
2:46:03He almost killed the other one. I know
2:46:05that.
2:46:05>> He's going to die. The one who was just
2:46:07hurt.
2:46:09I don't think by any of his choice. I
2:46:11think if he'd had his way, he would have
2:46:12died, too. What?
2:46:14>> Why? Why? Why would Danny say that do
2:46:16that?
2:46:18No, I think
2:46:19>> all three-year-olds
2:46:21Oh, interesting. I I was thinking it was
2:46:23the killer that was saying that that the
2:46:25killer didn't purposely let Danny live.
2:46:27He would have wanted him to die. Oh.
2:46:32Oh, she drove fast to the hospital.
2:46:35Mhm. Yeah. God, I drove so fast. My
2:46:37my my speedometer almost registered my
2:46:40speed. I drove so fast that the guy
2:46:42driving behind me actually called the
2:46:43police to tell them how slow I was
2:46:45driving.
2:46:45>> Yes. Remembered it.
2:46:47And that I was blasting Hungry Like the
2:46:49Wolf
2:46:51at 11:00 p.m., and it was it was you
2:46:52know, it's a nice neighborhood. People
2:46:54got to work tomorrow.
2:46:55>> children's last breaths were being
2:46:58What a nightmare of a vision.
2:47:01This car is traveling at about 3 mph.
2:47:06There is
2:47:07a deceased little girl in the back, two
2:47:09other severely injured
2:47:12children. She's got a towel wrapped
2:47:15around her arm. This woman has been shot
2:47:17in the arm, but she's listening to
2:47:20Hungry Like the Wolf. Yeah, like it
2:47:22doesn't get worse than that.
2:47:24It's like a fever dream.
2:47:27Well, it's just a single, so it wasn't
2:47:28the full album, so it just kept
2:47:30kept repeating in the eight track.
2:47:32hospital.
2:47:34And two, they were all three alive when
2:47:35we got there. Why Hungry Like the Wolf?
2:47:40And there was nothing more that I could
2:47:42do.
2:47:44And three, Charles and uh
2:47:46you wouldn't believe the [ __ ] he put me
2:47:48through. Ugh.
2:47:49Well, you should be used to that. He's
2:47:50always done that. I know, but this is
2:47:52very sensitive. I feel totally
2:47:54responsible for everything because
2:47:56they're my kids, and I was responsible
2:47:58for them.
2:47:59Yeah. She's going to say this in the
2:48:01parole hearings later, right?
2:48:03Well, I feel about it. It's If I wasn't
2:48:05there, my kids wouldn't have been there,
2:48:06so I'm responsible.
2:48:09So, what happened to them happened while
2:48:11they were my responsibility.
2:48:14Uh-huh. So, even though I didn't pull
2:48:15the trigger, so I'm responsible for them
2:48:17dying.
2:48:18Especially since it was somebody's
2:48:19hatred for me that caused it.
2:48:22Yeah, but just knowing you, Diane, just
2:48:24seems to Well,
2:48:26this is just what I think.
2:48:28It just seems to me you'd have tackled
2:48:30the [ __ ]
2:48:32I mean, whether he had shot your ass or
2:48:33not, you'd have clawed tried had his
2:48:35eyes out. You might have got your ass
2:48:37killed.
2:48:38But that's that's just what seemed I
2:48:41mean just knowing you that's what That's
2:48:43exactly what I I have sworn ever since I
2:48:45have had my kids that nobody could hurt
2:48:47my kids.
2:48:48Now, how unfortunate.
2:48:51She made that promise to herself and yet
2:48:52all three of her kids got shot. Most
2:48:54>> like the promise Lauren made to himself.
2:48:57Yeah, to not get cut in the sting. Yeah.
2:48:59Uh most women don't have any of their
2:49:01kids shot and she had them all shot. I
2:49:03mean who has to promise
2:49:05that to themselves?
2:49:06I'm not good I'm promised myself today I
2:49:09will not murder my kids.
2:49:11I did have to kill me first. I know any
2:49:14mother And yet they didn't.
2:49:17They didn't have to kill you first. You
2:49:18kind of just pulled over very easily. I
2:49:21mean they'd have gone berserk.
2:49:23They might end up dead. But they'd gone
2:49:26berserk. Yeah.
2:49:28You never know till it happens to you
2:49:29though.
2:49:30Again, the classic you never know what
2:49:33it happens you never know what your your
2:49:35decision is going to be. You might start
2:49:37killing those kids.
2:49:38Well, that's true.
2:49:40And I didn't do anything I thought I
2:49:41would do.
2:49:45Well, I can't tell you what to do.
2:49:47>> That's why I feel guilty too and that's
2:49:49why I think crying so bad today and
2:49:50yesterday.
2:49:52It's always today and yesterday. Never
2:49:54the day before.
2:49:57Because I didn't do what I thought I
2:49:58would do.
2:50:01And Steve when he called he gave me
2:50:03hell.
2:50:04Uh Steve What do you mean he gave you
2:50:06hell? What did he say?
2:50:07>> goes back to that.
2:50:08>> telling me it's my fault. It's my fault.
2:50:11Well
2:50:13Yeah. And since I'm the mother
2:50:15it is my fault because I should have
2:50:17done something but I didn't.
2:50:19What are you saying? No, he doesn't he's
2:50:21not saying that. He's probably saying
2:50:24He's probably not talking to her but
2:50:27But well now I mean it's possible he's
2:50:29just going I know you killed them I know
2:50:32you killed them.
2:50:33Yeah and that is possible.
2:50:34>> it's my fault.
2:50:36The nerve.
2:50:37But at least I had the strength to drive
2:50:39to the hospital even seeing everything
2:50:41that I saw hearing what I heard. This is
2:50:44very I think that
2:50:45that alone is punishment enough. This is
2:50:48very Sarah. Yeah.
2:50:50>> Yeah every
2:50:51Let alone considering what I've been
2:50:53through. I don't think I'll ever be
2:50:55right after this especially with all the
2:50:56things I have to deal with in my doing
2:50:58my life. It's also very Shayna Hubers.
2:51:01It's also very Shayna Hubers. No one
2:51:03will remember me now. But I guess you
2:51:05know, I'm fine I can just
2:51:08Oh, someone will want to marry you and
2:51:11>> Yes, they uh It's Who's going to want to
2:51:12marry me now? Not going to be good. I
2:51:15gave him his nose job.
2:51:18Gave him the nose job he always wanted.
2:51:20I gave him his nose job.
2:51:22She's an example of somebody who had
2:51:23like a hot 5 minutes of looking like a
2:51:25normal person and then just completely
2:51:29completely blew it. Yeah, just like
2:51:31disintegrated into Yeah.
2:51:35And it smell
2:51:37Uh I just wanted to get out of the car.
2:51:40Smell. And I kept going I didn't quit.
2:51:43Oh, so brave. I mean at least I kept
2:51:46going.
2:51:47Well, don't screw up any longer Diane.
2:51:50Go tell the cops what you know.
2:51:53Tell them what I mean if you
2:51:56I don't know. It just
2:51:58seems to me if you just tell them
2:52:00exactly what happened
2:52:04and what you think
2:52:08maybe it'll work out better. I mean
2:52:10lying ain't going to get you anywhere.
2:52:13Lying's going to get you put in jail so
2:52:14what's going to happen.
2:52:17Probably.
2:52:19I mean they're going to check it out.
2:52:20They're going
2:52:21Whether you think they follow your leads
2:52:23or not you've told me you don't think
2:52:25they have but I'm sure they do. The cops
2:52:27don't tell you everything. They don't
2:52:29tell me anything. Okay, well
2:52:32See what I mean? The person and me and
2:52:33them want to know what the hell's going
2:52:35on. I have no idea. I find out from the
2:52:36newspaper what's going on. Well, that's
2:52:39where I find out. I find out from you or
2:52:41the newspaper. That's only place I find
2:52:43out anything. They don't tell me [ __ ]
2:52:45All they do is ask me questions. That's
2:52:47exactly what they used to do to me. Now
2:52:49they don't even ask me questions.
2:52:52Which tells me one thing.
2:52:55They think I did it.
2:52:57>> Cuz they're asking questions about me
2:52:59not from me.
2:53:03Let's see here.
2:53:06What the hell? Well, it ain't pretty. It
2:53:09ain't no ideal situation that's for
2:53:11sure.
2:53:12Well
2:53:16Maybe I should just not tell you
2:53:18anything. I don't know. What do you
2:53:19mean? What can you tell me? Well, just
2:53:22what I've been telling you. Go talk to
2:53:23them. You know, I
2:53:28Why do you say that now?
2:53:31Cuz if they don't
2:53:32>> Well, you just you just keep saying that
2:53:34they're not going to listen to you and
2:53:35everything so
2:53:37Well, I don't know if they will or not.
2:53:38I just got to the point I don't trust
2:53:40them so I don't know if they will or
2:53:41not.
2:53:42What the hell does that mean? Well,
2:53:44people are guilty never trust
2:53:47authorities cuz you know, that's what
2:53:49else are they going to say? Yeah.
2:53:52Uh by the way, much better on the thumbs
2:53:53up today people. We had 118 but we have
2:53:56175 viewings so let's get another better
2:53:59because of the drumming.
2:54:03Well, we don't have to fret the drumming
2:54:04today cuz we're over 100 so people have
2:54:06learned to hit the like button. I think
2:54:07just saying it in the intro was enough
2:54:09of a incentive.
2:54:11Apparently.
2:54:13Yeah.
2:54:15What?
2:54:16They're the only people you got to put
2:54:17your trust in.
2:54:21I mean don't Diane don't you realize
2:54:24Greer's Garden is this really live?
2:54:26Huh?
2:54:30Yes, I just answered it.
2:54:32What?
2:54:33That my daughter's dead. Yeah.
2:54:35Yeah and
2:54:39Like I said earlier this ain't no game
2:54:41anymore. It never was. This ain't no
2:54:45game anymore.
2:54:47And if you don't come clean with them I
2:54:49mean
2:54:51Well, I don't know. It'll be up to a
2:54:53jury but
2:54:55you know, I
2:54:57I think you just need to tell them
2:54:58whatever you know.
2:55:01I think you're right.
2:55:04I mean smart.
2:55:06Well, I don't know.
2:55:08You've made a few dumb decisions but
2:55:10that's okay. Everybody can rattle with
2:55:12some dumb decisions.
2:55:16That's a joke, man.
2:55:19Well, let's not be flirty Diane. Geez.
2:55:26I hate it.
2:55:27>> Okay.
2:55:28That's much better. I appreciate that.
2:55:32Good grief.
2:55:34But you got
2:55:35What's happening?
2:55:38She's she's
2:55:40flirting with them and then being like
2:55:41oh God forbid you should you like me.
2:55:44>> Oh, yeah. You know, like
2:55:47fishing for compliments just turning it
2:55:49back to the cute you talked to like you
2:55:50know, which is a natural transition
2:55:52after talking about murder. Right and
2:55:54then she'll go back to talking about how
2:55:56bad mean Steve is to her and Yep. Yep.
2:56:00Uh
2:56:01just
2:56:06You know, if if you lie to them they're
2:56:09never going to be able to believe you.
2:56:11And if you keep lying to them then they
2:56:14just won't believe you.
2:56:16Solid advice Steve. Solid advice Steve.
2:56:19I understand. I just wish you understood
2:56:21me. I think you do.
2:56:23Well, I'm trying my best. Oh, good Yeah,
2:56:26Nick not Steve.
2:56:26>> What it has done me to tell them the
2:56:28truth?
2:56:29That's what you should have done in the
2:56:30first place. What? You should have told
2:56:33them the truth in the first place. It's
2:56:34just that it would have been put in the
2:56:35paper and the guy told me he would get
2:56:38me again and the cops wouldn't know who
2:56:40to protect me from.
2:56:42Oh. Wouldn't protect me from.
2:56:45>> That makes a lot more sense.
2:56:47Thank you for clearing that up Diane.
2:56:55They wouldn't have believed me any more
2:56:56about a hit man than they would have
2:56:58about a total stranger would they?
2:57:01Yeah, I I think they equally as
2:57:03disbelievable.
2:57:05But now a hit man probably is less
2:57:06believable. No. Well, I don't know but I
2:57:09think you better go tell them now. I'm
2:57:11sure
2:57:12Yeah. You told me they had cops watching
2:57:15the kids they can have cops watching
2:57:16you.
2:57:18They don't have cops watching the kids
2:57:20now.
2:57:21Oh, that's right. You told me they lost
2:57:23the election or some [ __ ]
2:57:25Well, they got at least one they got
2:57:27city police don't they?
2:57:29Yeah, but they don't get involved.
2:57:31I couldn't believe it. My dad found
2:57:33somebody that looked like the guy. He
2:57:35called me to go down to the police
2:57:36station and asked the guys if they'd go
2:57:37with him to see if this guy
2:57:40Where did he find him?
2:57:42What and how did her dad identify him
2:57:44since the picture Oh, cuz her brother
2:57:46drew another picture that looked like
2:57:47her. Okay, got it. Yeah. And they said
2:57:49no it's not our jurisdiction. Oh, yeah.
2:57:52That sounds like it. That's a total Hey,
2:57:55uh this guy
2:57:57I think he looks like a murder suspect.
2:57:59Who is it? Not our jurisdiction. Sorry.
2:58:02You might as well go talk to somebody
2:58:04that cares. Yeah. Yeah Diane D once a
2:58:06certain election is
2:58:08lost the cops are just like well, we're
2:58:10not going to come in to work today.
2:58:12Mhm.
2:58:13Kids are dead.
2:58:16The other My dad did say
2:58:19Oh, well. Oh, well.
2:58:22Sorry, I get carried away.
2:58:24Well, you
2:58:27I'm going to get carried away.
2:58:29>> Yeah, you know you get carried away. You
2:58:30need to go talk to them jokers.
2:58:32Jokers is exactly the word.
2:58:35He may get a real colorful report in
2:58:36Springfield news next time.
2:58:39Well,
2:58:40I'm sure I'll read it. All right, cuz
2:58:42it's going to be about what Burke had to
2:58:44say and what I had to say. And I told
2:58:45him that he can put in the paper that
2:58:47Burke is an [ __ ]
2:58:51Jesus, Diane. That's not the way to do
2:58:53it.
2:58:53>> Jesus, Diane.
2:58:55Who's your daddy?
2:58:57No, that's what I told him to Oh, okay.
2:59:00Burke said.
2:59:02Well, he may be a total [ __ ] but
2:59:04he's
2:59:05I mean, he Yeah, call the sheriff or
2:59:06detective who I think that's who Burke
2:59:08said call an [ __ ] in the paper. He's
2:59:11He's still the dude, though, you know?
2:59:14I don't think he knows what the hell's
2:59:15going on, either. Well, he may not
2:59:18Because you're not telling him anything.
2:59:19He's solving the crime.
2:59:20>> Yeah, but he's I mean, that's all you
2:59:22got.
2:59:24Whether
2:59:25This reporter also asked me, he says,
2:59:27"Did
2:59:28Did the detective say that they're
2:59:29following up on me? What do you think?"
2:59:31And I said, "I think it's a charade."
2:59:36Charade, you [ __ ] Good one, Diane. You
2:59:40used their word back against them in the
2:59:42paper. So snarky. Such a hero.
2:59:46Cuz that's exactly what they said about
2:59:47my story.
2:59:49Yeah, we got it. Now, that was funny.
2:59:52You should have laughed. Come on, give
2:59:54me a break.
2:59:54>> not that funny.
2:59:55>> Well, I don't think this shit's funny at
2:59:57all.
2:59:58What? Word games in the newspaper during
3:00:01my criminal investigation? What's not
3:00:02funny about that?
3:00:04I have to have some kind of
3:00:07I don't know. I'm amused.
3:00:08>> You're calling me for comic relief, huh?
3:00:10Yes. I was crying called for crying
3:00:12earlier, now I needed a laugh.
3:00:15Yeah, you laugh.
3:00:16>> backed off. Does that mean they don't
3:00:18believe you anymore? No, it means that
3:00:20they threatened to expose whatever and
3:00:23so that he's going to keep his mouth
3:00:24shut about everything.
3:00:26Well, that's fine. Trust my bite.
3:00:29Well, I thought that [ __ ] had already
3:00:31come out, but anyway, I guess I
3:00:32misunderstood you. No, not
3:00:35not the details, no.
3:00:37Well, I I don't mean the details. I just
3:00:39mean that it happened. Yeah.
3:00:41But not who.
3:00:43Well, how could it happen and and they
3:00:45not know? See, I
3:00:47It was never said who.
3:00:50Well, isn't it fairly obvious who?
3:00:53It wouldn't be your mother. Well, yeah.
3:00:55But it was never said straight out. As
3:00:57long as it's never said straight out.
3:00:59Somehow that makes it okay. So, your
3:01:01daddy's more worried about his job than
3:01:03he's worried about his daughter. Right.
3:01:05You got my family to a T. Now, do you
3:01:08know why I want to get the hell out of
3:01:09here?
3:01:11You're You're about to be arrested for
3:01:13murder. That's why you want to get out
3:01:14of there. I would imagine that's
3:01:15probably why.
3:01:17I remember now. Been gone for 10 years.
3:01:21I remember now why I wanted out so bad.
3:01:26People are more worried about themselves
3:01:28than
3:01:29whatever.
3:01:31Well, Diane, And I'm a person that needs
3:01:33to be loved.
3:01:34People are more worried about themselves
3:01:36than they are about me, and I cannot
3:01:37stand that.
3:01:40So,
3:01:42So,
3:01:44going to get the [ __ ] out of here and go
3:01:46when this is over. I can't even take a
3:01:47vacation right now. You know these two
3:01:49kids that were arrested in the 7-Eleven
3:01:51thing?
3:01:52They said
3:01:52>> Well, maybe
3:01:53I maybe you told me about I didn't say
3:01:55it this time. I just found out.
3:01:58They just Maybe I did tell you that the
3:02:00last time. Well, you told me about
3:02:02something about 7-Eleven. Yeah, there
3:02:04was a murder and
3:02:05two kids got arrested and all this stuff
3:02:07and Yeah, yeah, yeah. We heard that
3:02:09yesterday.
3:02:10>> I would have loved to take a vacation.
3:02:11This place is driving me bananas, but I
3:02:13don't dare get on the plane. They're
3:02:15going to think I'm trying to leave the
3:02:16country. They'll pick me up in Arizona
3:02:17or wherever and say
3:02:20What's?
3:02:22Did she say she don't dare get on the
3:02:23phone?
3:02:25Plane.
3:02:25>> plane. Oh.
3:02:27Well, I should assume they would know
3:02:28where the plane is going.
3:02:31It just shows that she's worried about
3:02:32where to go.
3:02:34Hop the border from Arizona.
3:02:38She's in Oregon.
3:02:40But take a flight to Arizona.
3:02:43Oh, hop the border anywhere if he
3:02:44doesn't go to Arizona first, cuz that's
3:02:46where Nick is.
3:02:47Yeah. All planes are going to go to
3:02:49Arizona from her.
3:02:50>> That's right.
3:02:51Specifically to to Nick's penis. Penis.
3:02:55Yeah, despite their
3:02:57original destination.
3:02:59All planes Supposed to be in New York
3:03:00for a meeting. No, we got to go to We
3:03:02got to go to Arizona first. You have to
3:03:04go see it.
3:03:06Want to see it
3:03:08before you go TO BED?
3:03:10NO,
3:03:11GOD. NO, GOD, PLEASE, NO. NO.
3:03:15NO. NO.
3:03:20WHAT I WAS RUNNING OUT AND that's the
3:03:22full sign of
3:03:24guilt or what or I can't even take a
3:03:26vacation
3:03:28till this thing's cleared up.
3:03:32Well,
3:03:33I could. All I got to do is call the
3:03:34newspaper. Well, he
3:03:37I think that's one of your big problems.
3:03:39You need to quit telling the newspaper
3:03:40so much and talk to the cops.
3:03:42>> They'll know that I'm not disappearing,
3:03:43that I'm taking a
3:03:44>> piss on the people.
3:03:46The people won't know that I'm not going
3:03:48away. I'm taking a stand.
3:03:51Uh Well, Diane, you don't seem to
3:03:53understand. All you need to do is talk
3:03:55with the police. You ain't got to tell
3:03:57the cop I mean, the newspapers nothing.
3:04:00Ain't none of their damn business.
3:04:01They're going to get the little story
3:04:03that comes down from
3:04:05who who who the department. Yeah. And
3:04:07>> It's always wrong.
3:04:09Well,
3:04:10if you tell them you're Well,
3:04:13I just think you're telling the papers
3:04:14too much.
3:04:16I'm telling the papers I didn't do it
3:04:18and I want my kids back. Mhm.
3:04:21So,
3:04:24They said
3:04:25Huh? They said What?
3:04:27What you're drinking? Yeah. The baloney.
3:04:30Why don't you go get you some?
3:04:31Can't.
3:04:34Right back to the flirty talk. What does
3:04:36she want?
3:04:38She's like, "What are you drinking? Is
3:04:39it good?"
3:04:40No, it's not. And he's like, "Why don't
3:04:41you go get some?" And she's like,
3:04:44It's just It's just fluff talk. It's
3:04:46back to fluff talk. I
3:04:48I really am having
3:04:51There was a time in my life where I I
3:04:55was experiencing some hallucinations.
3:04:58And that's kind of what I'm feeling
3:05:01right now. Well, I'm kind of hearing it
3:05:03too, but I think maybe maybe there was
3:05:06like a break in the conversation like it
3:05:07was an edit, pause, play, or something,
3:05:09but whatever. The subject's changed.
3:05:12Hey, do you
3:05:13You got any money? Oh, yeah. Well, you
3:05:15can just go get whatever you want. I'm
3:05:17living at home with my parents. Oh,
3:05:19you're not allowed to drink at home? No.
3:05:22You're not allowed to drink at home?
3:05:24>> No.
3:05:25Oh, well.
3:05:26>> I had to move [ __ ] to have my mom pack
3:05:28my stuff up out of the hospital.
3:05:33Well, your mother's playing you like
3:05:34when you've been drinking, so she's
3:05:38probably on to something.
3:05:39She what? She's probably on to something
3:05:42there. Yeah.
3:05:44Hey,
3:05:45that's what happens when you fool around
3:05:46with Baptists. I guess.
3:05:49What happened to me?
3:05:51Well, I don't know.
3:05:53I got invited by one of the guys You got
3:05:55kicked back to school for being a [ __ ]
3:05:56so You got kicked out of
3:05:58for like having sex with a professor or
3:06:00someone in the like the chapel. Yeah.
3:06:05Like on the altar. Frowned upon.
3:06:09Come over to his place and have some.
3:06:13Said I didn't go.
3:06:16Cuz he was He's not single, but he moved
3:06:18out.
3:06:20Hey, I don't need to be there. No.
3:06:23You got your [ __ ]
3:06:24big enough crack as it is.
3:06:26>> I agree. All I need to do is to be
3:06:28caught having a good time when my kids
3:06:30are being kidnapped.
3:06:33Well, we've gone full sadist now.
3:06:37Well,
3:06:40Sometimes I went to see a girl, though,
3:06:41the other day that used to be a neighbor
3:06:43of mine. Well, I'm sure this story is
3:06:45going to be critical It's going to be so
3:06:48vital for us to know. Okay, sustain.
3:06:54Had a beer with her. Tasted really good.
3:06:57Haven't done that for a long time. Since
3:07:00this happened, I haven't.
3:07:03Wow, that was an amazing story.
3:07:05What
3:07:06>> have just said I had a beer the other
3:07:07day. What?
3:07:09I see. The entire story was she had a
3:07:11beer and it tasted good.
3:07:12[Laughter]
3:07:14I mean, Well, back it up here.
3:07:16You can catch the full peaks and
3:07:18valleys. It was so short. I For some
3:07:20reason I thought it was going to be
3:07:21long.
3:07:23Sometimes I went to see a girl, though,
3:07:25the other day that used to be a neighbor
3:07:26of mine.
3:07:28Had a beer with her. Tasted really good.
3:07:31Haven't done that for a long time. Since
3:07:33this happened, I haven't.
3:07:35Cool. Great story. Where did she see
3:07:38this girl?
3:07:40Oh, the other day. Around, yeah. This
3:07:43girl she used to know. Used to live by
3:07:46her, but I guess doesn't anymore. I'm
3:07:47just curious as to where she was and why
3:07:49she went to go see her and why the [ __ ]
3:07:51she had to go see her to have a goddamn
3:07:52beer.
3:07:53Cuz she lives at home with her parents.
3:07:55Yeah, but you Well, yeah.
3:08:00Anyway, I'm rambling. Yeah, I'm sorry.
3:08:01Yeah. Yes. I do that, don't I? Mhm. Yes.
3:08:06You don't go out anyway and get drunk.
3:08:09No, it's not fun to drink alone. Nothing
3:08:12to do afterwards. Exactly, Michelle. I
3:08:15don't know why that I mean, this is
3:08:16ridiculous.
3:08:16>> Laying and day dreaming. Yeah, that's no
3:08:18fun. Never mind. Don't think about that.
3:08:22That was supposed to be funny, too.
3:08:24Okay. Where's your sense of humor?
3:08:28It's a trying time, Diane.
3:08:29>> your daughter. The only thing funnier
3:08:31than one dead kid is three dead kids.
3:08:35It's three times as fun. Yeah.
3:08:38That's a Lauren line, though. Debbie
3:08:40Downer. Lauren does that and he's like,
3:08:43"Girl, we're just using humor." Yeah.
3:08:46To a robot.
3:08:47[Laughter]
3:08:49Or maybe he says it to Casey. I think it
3:08:51might be the I think it I don't know.
3:08:53But if But he Casey hates him in that
3:08:55call and she's like, "I What do you
3:08:56want?"
3:08:59I guess I'm just tired of having to
3:09:00>> I'll be right back.
3:09:01>> Sorry, I'll let you go.
3:09:03Maybe he said it to Ramona about the
3:09:05diapers.
3:09:07I think it Maybe it was that.
3:09:10Okay. Well, just remember what I said,
3:09:12Diane. I think you need to go and come
3:09:14clean with the police.
3:09:17Okay.
3:09:19Can you cross your fingers for me?
3:09:22I don't need to do that. You just need
3:09:24to go downtown to church.
3:09:25We used those the week.
3:09:28Just the real jewel. Isn't that what
3:09:30your first wife used to call you? No,
3:09:32that was No, you were the rock.
3:09:34I was That's right.
3:09:36Daddy, keep your women straight. I don't
3:09:38know. I have a lot of trouble with that.
3:09:40>> I guess so. Oh, my god.
3:09:42>> Daddy, you got more girlfriends yet? No.
3:09:44My boy, you learned something.
3:09:46I knew you would. Yeah, I always am
3:09:48learning. Yeah.
3:09:51Oh, well, I quit texting. It's a quarter
3:09:53after 8:00. I got to call my attorney.
3:09:55Okay.
3:09:56Some more [ __ ]
3:09:57>> dick [ __ ] Thank you. Uh, good. Barf.
3:10:01>> Bye.
3:10:02Barf.
3:10:03What did she say to him?
3:10:05Sweet dreams, dick rack. Talk to you
3:10:07next time. Sweet dreams, [ __ ]
3:10:13All right, this is
3:10:15tape number six. This is our last tape.
3:10:16This is Sue's favorite.
3:10:18>> Yeah. I mean, I didn't hadn't heard the
3:10:19other ones, so I wouldn't say it's my
3:10:21favorite, but I do remember it being a
3:10:22good one.
3:10:23Hello, DebH.
3:10:25Hello,
3:10:26>> Hello, DebH.
3:10:27And hi, Katrina. Diane, sorry I didn't
3:10:28say hello to you.
3:10:29>> I guess everyone Hello everyone in the
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3:10:35And please watch the Laurenography. All
3:10:37right, here we go. This is 3 days later.
3:10:48[Music]
3:10:51Hello. Hello. Hello. How are you? I'm
3:10:55fine. Have a rough night? You sound
3:10:56great. Huh?
3:10:58I said, did you have a rough night? You
3:11:00sound great. The said pedals are
3:11:02messed up. I just out late and I just
3:11:05got up. Just got up.
3:11:08I just wanted to call
3:11:10uh yesterday and you weren't there, but
3:11:13just talk.
3:11:16Nothing heavy. I guess it was just I
3:11:19don't know. It was getting hard for me
3:11:20to accept
3:11:22things.
3:11:25And
3:11:28Except what kind of things?
3:11:32The real things.
3:11:34Okay, go ahead.
3:11:38But I don't really need to talk about it
3:11:40because I'm all right now.
3:11:42I know what happened and
3:11:45When you called
3:11:45>> I don't know. I
3:11:48I'm a big girl. I can handle it.
3:11:51I have a question.
3:11:53Okay. Is Charlene really living with
3:11:56you?
3:11:57I don't
3:11:59So we're talking Okay.
3:12:02We're on the wife.
3:12:02>> Yeah.
3:12:03She's the one that answers the phone and
3:12:05talks to me.
3:12:06Yeah.
3:12:10What?
3:12:11So, what does she think? Whoever is
3:12:12there that's a not Charlene is picking
3:12:14up the phone saying they're Charlene to
3:12:16make Diane jealous? What?
3:12:19I don't understand.
3:12:20>> But it's not the same voice that used to
3:12:22call me and and threaten and say all
3:12:24kinds of horrible [ __ ] about you. Well,
3:12:27then I guess it wasn't Charlene, then.
3:12:30Well, I told you she'd never do that.
3:12:32That must have been somebody else. I
3:12:34guess so.
3:12:37So there goes one of your suspects,
3:12:39Diane.
3:12:40I I couldn't believe it. I even told her
3:12:43that, "That isn't you." And she says,
3:12:44"Why would I have somebody else answer
3:12:46my phone?" Which makes sense.
3:12:48Yeah, thank you. I haven't heard this
3:12:50call, by the way, so Yeah, it's a good
3:12:52one. There's just too much common sense
3:12:54coming out.
3:12:56But
3:12:57uh that isn't the same person, however.
3:13:00But I another
3:13:02Oh, well, that's perfect.
3:13:06So uh
3:13:08I guess
3:13:10What's all that?
3:13:11From what you were saying earlier
3:13:13last time you told me you couldn't
3:13:15remember anything and now you remember
3:13:16everything. Yeah, I do. So Oh, my god.
3:13:26What's going to happen this time, Diane?
3:13:28>> everything now.
3:13:33What happened?
3:13:35It's shitty.
3:13:36Real ugly. See,
3:13:39I would love to tell the cops more than
3:13:40anything,
3:13:42but they won't believe me.
3:13:43They're the ones See, I knew, Nick, that
3:13:46I didn't remember every specific little
3:13:48detail from that night. But I figured it
3:13:51was just a few seconds here and there
3:13:52that I didn't know.
3:13:54And when we were taping the other day at
3:13:57at the sheriff's office,
3:13:59they started saying there's a lot that I
3:14:01don't remember. And then I gave the tape
3:14:03to my attorney and he said the same
3:14:05thing. There's a lot you don't remember.
3:14:06There's There's a big void. There's
3:14:09I don't know. They They seem to think
3:14:11there was a lot missing.
3:14:12And you did, too, and you weren't even
3:14:14here. I don't know.
3:14:16Anyway,
3:14:18so I started thinking about it a whole
3:14:20lot.
3:14:21And
3:14:23still didn't come up with anything. I
3:14:26had a lot of feelings from the past few
3:14:27weeks.
3:14:29Impressions,
3:14:32for instance, what at when I was in the
3:14:34hospital the second time,
3:14:36I remember that the person used my name
3:14:38and stuff. So, I knew that there were
3:14:40little things I didn't remember, but I
3:14:41didn't know that they were big things.
3:14:44I went to see the cops a couple days
3:14:46ago.
3:14:47I had a call on detectives. They aren't
3:14:49cops.
3:14:51I went to see them a couple days ago.
3:14:54And we were talking and they were asking
3:14:57who would be Well, actually what they
3:14:59called me down for was to look at mug
3:15:00shots.
3:15:02Mhm.
3:15:02>> And they were asking who would be a
3:15:04possible threat to me. And I told them
3:15:07just about everybody. People either
3:15:09really like me or they really hate me.
3:15:12It doesn't make them a threat. And
3:15:13nobody really likes you.
3:15:16Yeah, nobody really likes you. And even
3:15:18if people despise you, that doesn't make
3:15:19them a threat. There's people I despise
3:15:21who doesn't Like Lauren doesn't have to
3:15:23worry about me coming out and finding
3:15:25him and killing him. I I despise him. He
3:15:28doesn't have to worry about that. No.
3:15:31Nobody is halfway in between. And that's
3:15:34true. You know that. Everybody knows
3:15:36that. Nobody gives a [ __ ]
3:15:38Nobody cares what people think of you.
3:15:41Everyone cares that you know, she's
3:15:43starting to wonder She's starting to
3:15:45think maybe it was the newspaper cuz
3:15:46they're selling so many more copies,
3:15:49they would, you know, treat story of the
3:15:51century. So I tell them and that makes
3:15:53them kind of not like me.
3:15:56So,
3:15:57we were discussing that and then They'll
3:16:00get my swoop back.
3:16:01>> Thank you.
3:16:02They started asking Well, they asked
3:16:05said, "Do you want to play hardball or
3:16:07softball?" And I said, "Hardball, of
3:16:09course. Softball is for pussies."
3:16:11And I I didn't realize what he was
3:16:13asking, but they just laid into me.
3:16:18This is so stupid.
3:16:21You Okay, okay. Wait, wait, wait. Diane,
3:16:23you're telling me you that watching all
3:16:26the cops and robbers shows uh that has
3:16:29all these bad tropes in your head of
3:16:32what they're doing, you've never heard
3:16:34hardball or softball on any
3:16:36interrogation? You You're saying you
3:16:39thought they were literally asking you,
3:16:41"When we go outside and play baseball,
3:16:43do you want to play softball or hardball
3:16:45later?" I thought they were asking me
3:16:47about a baseball game.
3:16:50Come on, Diane.
3:16:52They just from both sides just kept
3:16:54coming at me and and asking me how I
3:16:57could do such a thing. And I didn't do
3:16:59it and it upset me. It just It made me
3:17:01sick. I wanted to throw up because I
3:17:03know I didn't do it and these people are
3:17:06trying to say that I did do it and it's
3:17:08just really
3:17:09It's hurt more than anything.
3:17:12And they just
3:17:13kept saying
3:17:15grabbing things, pointing to things. Uh
3:17:20They're always saying Things. They're
3:17:22saying things. They kept asking me
3:17:24questions.
3:17:25They kept accusing me
3:17:28of certain things.
3:17:31But the things that that had pictures to
3:17:33them, like like kids getting shot. Like
3:17:35people say say it verbally that your
3:17:38kids got shot.
3:17:41I see it.
3:17:42And they just started doing this. It's
3:17:44just really messing with my mind. You
3:17:46say it all the time. Yeah, you say it
3:17:48all the time and you probably should see
3:17:49it more than just when somebody says it.
3:17:51Like you That's
3:17:52>> say She says it all the time.
3:17:54>> Yeah, I know. And describes it with and
3:17:57then laughs, like
3:17:59But as soon as she as soon as she got
3:18:01everyone to stop saying shot your kids
3:18:03were shot, she will have no memory of
3:18:05it. And it will be Right, she'll never
3:18:07see it again. Yeah, she'll never see it
3:18:08again. She won't even It'll be like it
3:18:09never even happened. Well, I'm not sure
3:18:11it could bother her any less, but Right.
3:18:14>> it will. Well,
3:18:16the biggest hassle is that she's under
3:18:18investigation for it, right? That's
3:18:19That's the thing.
3:18:20>> I don't she likes that they know her
3:18:21kids got shot. Yeah.
3:18:25And I kept I just started sinking deeper
3:18:27and deeper and deeper.
3:18:29And then it hit me and I knew exactly
3:18:31what happened.
3:18:33And I couldn't tell them because they
3:18:35wouldn't believe me.
3:18:37There was a big void. I forgot a lot. I
3:18:40can't say how much time was forgotten,
3:18:42but a lot of [ __ ] happened. Mhm. Oh my
3:18:45god.
3:18:47Oops, not that one.
3:18:49[Music]
3:18:53Is that as loud for you as it is for me?
3:18:55It was really loud and then nothing.
3:18:58Like you heard nothing.
3:19:01Oh. What?
3:19:04Well.
3:19:05I think Xtaric is in a compromised state
3:19:07right now.
3:19:08You didn't hear this?
3:19:11That's the one I want.
3:19:12>> It was really loud and then it just hit.
3:19:16Bam bam.
3:19:18Yeah. But there's no third.
3:19:21Well, there's a faded out third, I
3:19:23think.
3:19:23>> Yeah, it fades out.
3:19:25Yeah. Anyway.
3:19:27God, I can't believe it. And it it is
3:19:30ugly. It's
3:19:34It's as ugly as when I was a kid.
3:19:36What? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
3:19:38no, no, no, no, no, no. You're you're
3:19:39going wrong direction. Stick to that
3:19:41night. Not not when you were a kid.
3:19:44No, don't go all the way back, please.
3:19:46And I I can't tell them now because I
3:19:49don't think they would believe me and
3:19:50and it's just
3:19:52It isn't important
3:19:53>> time she says that. Every single time.
3:19:56But that they won't believe She doesn't
3:19:57know that they won't believe her.
3:19:58>> talk to them because they won't believe
3:19:59her anyway and she doesn't trust them.
3:20:01Mhm. Mhm.
3:20:03I see what you're saying. Mhm. Yeah.
3:20:04Mhm. They've won. That's it. I I'll
3:20:07quit. They can throw me in jail and I
3:20:09don't care because I can't prove
3:20:12What? who did it. Sterling didn't do it,
3:20:14Nick. And I want you to know that. And
3:20:16you probably already knew it and that's
3:20:18fine, but I didn't know it.
3:20:20But I know it now. I see. Tell me what
3:20:22happened.
3:20:25I can't. I still can't say it out loud.
3:20:27Hopefully.
3:20:29God. What? Yeah.
3:20:31She just can't say it out loud. First
3:20:33she's telling him that his wife didn't
3:20:34do it. I'm sure he was very relieved to
3:20:36hear her say that. Yeah. Oh, thank god,
3:20:39you cleared my wife.
3:20:40God. I can't say it out loud anymore
3:20:43than I could say it when I was a kid.
3:20:46What?
3:20:47It
3:20:48Is she going to do some Casey Anthony
3:20:49Judau stuff here?
3:20:51Wouldn't her dad used to come into her
3:20:52bedroom at night and
3:20:55Is that what he's what he's doing?
3:20:58I I I maybe
3:20:59>> Or what she's doing?
3:21:00It's just real It's possible. What could
3:21:03possibly connect the shooting of her
3:21:05children to when she was a child?
3:21:09Well, Other than her father. with
3:21:11another girl who held quite a grudge.
3:21:15Oh. That I can't deal with yet. I can
3:21:17see it in my mind and I can live with
3:21:19it. And it hasn't flipped me out.
3:21:22But I can't
3:21:24I just can't say it.
3:21:26Diane, you're still going around in
3:21:27circles with me.
3:21:29You tell me everything except what I
3:21:30want what I ask you.
3:21:32You go around ugly stuff. I just want to
3:21:35hear what happened.
3:21:38I'm telling you I know now everyone can
3:21:40drop it.
3:21:42That's what she's saying.
3:21:45Yeah.
3:21:52I promised you that nobody would ever
3:21:54touch me until you and I got back
3:21:56together. This is so disgusting on so
3:21:58many levels.
3:22:00Uh
3:22:00She said don't want to tell them
3:22:02anything. Why call him?
3:22:06But
3:22:07is she about to go into some sex story?
3:22:10I don't
3:22:11She said I promised no one would ever
3:22:12touch me
3:22:13>> yeah. I remember now what it is. Yeah. I
3:22:15mean, I'm not going to spoil it for you,
3:22:17but Okay, but what does this have to do
3:22:19with telling the truth about what
3:22:20happened the night and what how it
3:22:22connects to her childhood?
3:22:24It all connects, man. It's all circular.
3:22:27You know how life is. It's yeah. This
3:22:30doesn't make any sense. But I I can't
3:22:32wait for I can't wait for her to land
3:22:33this plane. Okay, hit me with it, Diane.
3:22:35Peaks and valleys. Yeah.
3:22:39But I got touched
3:22:41and I got threatened.
3:22:43What that night? No.
3:22:50Well, I still
3:22:51Can't you put it kind of some kind of
3:22:53order for me? Yeah, could you please? I
3:22:55suppose I could try.
3:22:58Shouldn't be that hard. I hate her more
3:22:59in this than anything, I think.
3:23:03Shouldn't be that hard to put things in
3:23:04a linear order, Diane.
3:23:07Uh
3:23:09No, we're talking about actual events,
3:23:10not thoughts.
3:23:11>> It is what you're making it up as you go
3:23:13along, which you would And then
3:23:15and she doesn't have a pen and paper.
3:23:17And she can't write it down to know
3:23:18later. And then it's not like he called
3:23:20her and took her off, you know, she was
3:23:22off guard. She had she was making the
3:23:25phone call.
3:23:28Okay, here we go.
3:23:34Are you saying now that you got raped
3:23:35and then he shot the kids?
3:23:37I was going to hear it was a they.
3:23:40No, I didn't get raped. I didn't.
3:23:45But it was just the things they said and
3:23:46the things they did.
3:23:49So, you jumped the shark. Now there are
3:23:51two of them. Mhm. Two attackers. It
3:23:54wasn't a he, it was a they. I didn't get
3:23:55raped though. No, they just said some
3:23:57things. And also I think I think that
3:23:59she's saying she didn't get raped
3:24:01because first of all, his reaction to it
3:24:03didn't sound like what she was hoping it
3:24:05would be. Right. Also, she doesn't want
3:24:07him to think that she's been with
3:24:09someone else because in my mind she is
3:24:11still trying to
3:24:12So, she's still saving herself.
3:24:15Sure then. Sure.
3:24:17Yeah. Yes, exactly. She's
3:24:20still
3:24:20>> You ever
3:24:21uh
3:24:22born again virgins, second versions?
3:24:24Well, I'm a 38th version, okay? So.
3:24:26Yeah.
3:24:2838 that month. Yeah. The other one
3:24:31didn't say a damn word. Well, then what?
3:24:36Oh.
3:24:38It was so annoying getting raped. Yeah.
3:24:42She wasn't raped. It was just the things
3:24:44Eduardo.
3:24:45Yeah.
3:24:47Are you saying now that you got raped
3:24:49and then he shot the kids?
3:24:51I was going to hear it was a they.
3:24:54No, I didn't get raped. I didn't.
3:24:58But
3:24:59How about the whole shooting your kids
3:25:00thing? Can we get clarifi- clarification
3:25:02on that? It was just the things they
3:25:03said and the things they did.
3:25:06And only one of them talked. Well, then
3:25:09they didn't say things. One of them
3:25:10talked.
3:25:12The other one didn't say a damn word.
3:25:14Not a damn word.
3:25:18But I don't know when that but I
3:25:19couldn't talk.
3:25:22And I didn't kick. Do you know why I
3:25:24didn't kick?
3:25:25I did kick. That's why I got shot, by
3:25:27the way. Wait a minute. What?
3:25:30You know why I didn't kick? You know why
3:25:32I didn't kick? I did kick. That's why I
3:25:34got shot, by the way.
3:25:35>> That's why I got shot.
3:25:37I got to hear that again.
3:25:39Yeah.
3:25:42Talk.
3:25:45And I didn't kick. Do you know why I
3:25:47didn't kick?
3:25:48I did kick. That's why I got shot, by
3:25:50the way. I mean, this is hallucination.
3:25:53Yeah. Yes, I'm telling you. Yeah. And
3:25:55now that you say that, I mean, now that
3:25:57I'm thinking that of you saying that,
3:26:00listening to this alone, you really
3:26:01start to feel like is it me? Like
3:26:04Yeah. Yes. Is it so [ __ ] crazy?
3:26:09Because they got kids in the car. You
3:26:10don't want to get hurt your kids, do
3:26:11you?
3:26:14So, you try to be a good girl.
3:26:16Oh my god,
3:26:18this story.
3:26:20Do what you're told.
3:26:22You don't argue.
3:26:23You don't tell anybody.
3:26:26Because everybody will hate you and
3:26:27think it's your fault.
3:26:30Same [ __ ] from when I was a kid.
3:26:33Wow.
3:26:36Wow.
3:26:37She's just loading it up.
3:26:41So, they just the two of them just held
3:26:43you there
3:26:44and talked to you and then they shot the
3:26:45kids and left?
3:26:47Well, I never answered if when they
3:26:49asked said, "Do you want
3:26:50me to shoot your kids? Do you want me to
3:26:51hurt your kids?" And I didn't answer.
3:26:53So, then they said, "Okay, we're going
3:26:54to do it." No, then
3:26:59they Call them murderers. Call them
3:27:01rapists. You can't call them liars.
3:27:05That's right.
3:27:07I don't remember the whole conversation
3:27:09like that. It's been 2 months now. I
3:27:10can't tell you everything that was said
3:27:12or word for word.
3:27:15There was
3:27:16ugly stuff.
3:27:18And then they mentioned shooting
3:27:20It doesn't really matter what they said.
3:27:23Was that verbal or are you talking about
3:27:25It was verbal and emotional and and
3:27:27physical.
3:27:28I don't like to be touched.
3:27:32Nice.
3:27:33Well, I mean, that's not not true. And
3:27:35that Yeah, and history does not bear
3:27:37that out.
3:27:41You don't have a baby with everyone in
3:27:43your neighborhood if you don't like to
3:27:45be
3:27:45>> Don't like to be touched. Yeah.
3:27:48I don't like guys. All right, then. Like
3:27:50I said, you're the only one that I ever
3:27:52truly respected.
3:27:55And the touch wasn't bad. Oh my god.
3:27:59What?
3:28:02I genuinely did not understand that.
3:28:05What did she say? She said the touch
3:28:06wasn't bad.
3:28:08Let's hear that.
3:28:09>> wasn't bad? Is it the touch of the
3:28:11killers or his touch? I I think that the
3:28:13killer the the killers, she's Yeah,
3:28:16okay, we're going to we're going to back
3:28:17it up again cuz there's just so much
3:28:19happening.
3:28:21It's not true, right?
3:28:21>> talked to you and then they shot the
3:28:22kids and left.
3:28:24Okay, bye.
3:28:29They shot.
3:28:30Yeah, kind of again. It's like the she
3:28:32is
3:28:33He's
3:28:34Yeah.
3:28:35>> He's her pilot audience or two. But
3:28:37she's just making them up. I mean, if
3:28:38one of them actually goes well, she
3:28:40won't remember cuz she I mean, she can't
3:28:42refer to the tapes. Yeah.
3:28:45I don't remember the whole conversation,
3:28:47my God. It's been 2 months now. I can't
3:28:49tell you everything that was said or
3:28:51word for word. Really? Because you seem
3:28:53to be so
3:28:54ugly stuff.
3:28:56And then they mentioned Steve.
3:28:58>> What do you mean ugly stuff? Verbal or
3:28:59are you talking about
3:29:00>> Oh, it's verbal and also and and
3:29:02physical. Uh-huh.
3:29:04>> I don't like to be touched.
3:29:08I don't like guys.
3:29:10Like I said, you're the only one that I
3:29:12ever truly respected.
3:29:15Well, you like a public guy.
3:29:18>> I think she's talking about him.
3:29:20I think she's talking about Nick.
3:29:22The touch. Of course she is.
3:29:24And I don't say that to impress you,
3:29:25damn it. You're the one that wants the
3:29:27answers.
3:29:28>> Damn it. That's not what answers he
3:29:30wants. No, if she flatters him enough,
3:29:33he's going to forget all about those
3:29:34damn darn dead kids. Darn it. Damn it.
3:29:39Somebody forces themselves on me and
3:29:41forces me to accept something.
3:29:44And it's really getting over it. I hate
3:29:46it.
3:29:47Oh, really? I love it. ugliest thing
3:29:49that could happen to me in the whole
3:29:51world is having to relive what I lived
3:29:53when I was 12 years old. Yeah, load it
3:29:55up, Diane. Come on. Yeah. Okay, I
3:29:58>> Take it home. I think I get it here.
3:30:00I'm going to hypothesize.
3:30:03She is going to say she was assaulted
3:30:05when she was 12 and they had total
3:30:07control over her and held her down and
3:30:10that is the exact same way that the two
3:30:12hit men, the you know, the one that was
3:30:14talking was talking to her. They had all
3:30:15the control cuz they were men and what
3:30:17could she do? And that reminded her
3:30:19exactly of 12 years old. That Am I on
3:30:21the line there? Look.
3:30:23Okay.
3:30:25I couldn't stop it anymore now than I
3:30:26could back then.
3:30:30It was awful.
3:30:33And it's one of these things where you
3:30:35just if you space out and go someplace
3:30:37else,
3:30:38it isn't real.
3:30:40It's not happening to me. It's It's just
3:30:43it's
3:30:44different, you know, but somebody else's
3:30:45a movie or something. It's just not
3:30:48real.
3:30:50Well, it is uh
3:30:51not happening to somebody else. It's
3:30:52happening to you because uh
3:30:55you did it.
3:30:57And then
3:30:59all of a sudden, it dawns on you that
3:31:01they They don't just do that. That's
3:31:03just fun and games for them. Just to do
3:31:05what?
3:31:07To kill the kids.
3:31:09Really? I thought she was talking about
3:31:11the touch.
3:31:12>> killing her up or whatever.
3:31:14Yeah.
3:31:14I don't know. I think she's talking
3:31:16about the kids.
3:31:16>> Because she's talking about when she was
3:31:1812. She wasn't killed. No, now she has
3:31:20fast forward. Yeah, now she's back in
3:31:22the car or whatever. Oh. Yeah.
3:31:25I guess. I'm just trying to keep up with
3:31:27the lunatic rambling. Yeah, exactly. And
3:31:30that's Cuz she says all this Here the
3:31:32sudden she says all the sudden it dawns
3:31:33on me. All of a sudden, it dawns on you
3:31:36that they They don't just do that.
3:31:38That's just fun and games for them.
3:31:40Right.
3:31:41>> Because they know who you are. They use
3:31:43your name. They use Steve's name. So,
3:31:45she just completely jumped it.
3:31:48Yeah, she's just really making things up
3:31:50as she goes. I think she's trying to
3:31:52gauge his reactions and act accordingly.
3:31:56But she's saying now that the killers
3:31:57know Nick's name and Steve's name and
3:32:00her name?
3:32:01That's ridiculous. She's been saying
3:32:03that from the beginning though.
3:32:05How do they know Nick's name? Not Nick
3:32:07and Steve's name. Did he say that Did
3:32:09she say that about Nick?
3:32:11Yeah.
3:32:13Yeah.
3:32:14Well, she probably didn't want to scare
3:32:15him before. It dawns on you that they
3:32:17They don't just do that. That's just fun
3:32:19and games for them. That's fun and games
3:32:21for them. Because they know who you are.
3:32:23They know who you are. They use your
3:32:25name. They use Steve's name. They used
3:32:28your name. They used Steve's name. She's
3:32:29talking about herself. Yeah, that's
3:32:32weird. She's talking about herself.
3:32:33>> No, no, no. Keep Look.
3:32:37They talked about
3:32:39plucking my rose and taking it with
3:32:41them.
3:32:42Is she talking about the attackers?
3:32:45Yeah, I know, but she's saying they know
3:32:46who you are, but she means
3:32:48>> she saying you know who you are as in
3:32:50they know me. As in the saying meaning
3:32:53yourself. Right.
3:32:56Okay, so they're saying
3:32:58the people in general they know who
3:32:59Diane is and but she first person like
3:33:02cuz they know who you are, you know.
3:33:05But she said she But then she literally
3:33:07said they knew your name. They knew
3:33:08Steve's name.
3:33:09>> Yeah, that's the part that confuses me.
3:33:11It's not why they
3:33:13>> your name. They know Steve's name. Oh,
3:33:15you Oh, I get it. I get it. She's saying
3:33:16the attackers know that. No, I get it. I
3:33:19know, but she's not talking about Nick.
3:33:20She's talking about herself. I get it. I
3:33:22get it. I mean, none of it's not She's
3:33:24[ __ ] nuts. Yeah, it's not then also
3:33:26why it doesn't matter cuz it's all
3:33:28[ __ ] but that's She's a lunatic.
3:33:31Okay.
3:33:32And then I know my nose one rose and
3:33:34that's off my back.
3:33:36You're going to pluck my rose. crazy as
3:33:39they were acting. For all I knew, I was
3:33:41going to lose my shoulder. But she's
3:33:42talking about the attackers.
3:33:44She is. Yeah, okay. We're not saying no
3:33:47to that. And then
3:33:50she says
3:33:52the motive basically
3:33:55was to get me off of somebody's back, to
3:33:57get me out of somebody's life. Actually,
3:33:59I told the cops that it was Steve, but I
3:34:01don't know that it was Steve.
3:34:03It's so handy for the people that killed
3:34:06her kids to explain their motive. Yeah,
3:34:08it's really It's like a James Bond
3:34:10movie.
3:34:11Yeah. Can you tell me what
3:34:12>> I have you, Mr. Bond, I'll tell you my
3:34:15evil plan.
3:34:17Yeah.
3:34:18Greg used to do crazy things. Greg used
3:34:20to call up when I was pregnant with
3:34:22Danny and hang up trying to
3:34:26convince me that a girl was calling
3:34:29Steve, thereby I would leave him.
3:34:32That type of attitude. Greg was doing
3:34:35him a favor. Steve thought about that's
3:34:36what was going on and told Greg to back
3:34:38off the [ __ ]
3:34:40And Greg says, "Well, the best thing
3:34:41that could happen to you is if that
3:34:42[ __ ] left and took those two flame and
3:34:44brat [ __ ] shows one screen brat and
3:34:47that stupid thing I was pregnant with
3:34:48and got out of his life."
3:34:51Yeah. His best friend Why I like this
3:34:53call. What? Yeah. But his best friend
3:34:56told him, "Hey, your wife went out and
3:34:58cheated to get pregnant. You need to
3:35:00divorce her immediately."
3:35:02She's banging everyone on the block.
3:35:06And that was Greg's whole attitude about
3:35:08me and the kids.
3:35:09Well, for all I know, it was Greg doing
3:35:11Steve another quote favor. I don't know.
3:35:15Oh my God.
3:35:16>> She's probing all these different ideas.
3:35:20But she has probed these ideas before
3:35:21and none of them have landed.
3:35:23I think she's going all out today. Balls
3:35:25out. She's going She's balls to the wall
3:35:28now.
3:35:29Yeah.
3:35:30But we were going to get out of Steve's
3:35:31life and he wouldn't have to worry about
3:35:34the kids anymore, if they were being
3:35:36taken care of or not being taken care
3:35:38of.
3:35:39And that Nick wasn't going to raise his
3:35:41kids and stuff like Sounds like he
3:35:44didn't give a [ __ ] if he wasn't paying
3:35:45child support.
3:35:48that.
3:35:49They said all those things.
3:35:51And then they shot the kids.
3:35:54And yeah, I watched. That's right. I
3:35:56watched. Cuz that's
3:35:58a [ __ ]
3:36:00Help me. I couldn't do anything.
3:36:04She's really Oh my goodness. In God's
3:36:08name is happening? I I don't know.
3:36:11The performance goes to Diane for best
3:36:15vocal work in a dramatic series.
3:36:18Yeah, I
3:36:20I watched them.
3:36:21>> There's nobody beating her yet.
3:36:23What's the weird way she said Oh, I
3:36:25watched them shoot the kids or however
3:36:28she said it. Oh, I watched.
3:36:30>> raise his kids and stuff like that.
3:36:34They said all those things.
3:36:36And then they shot the kids.
3:36:39And yeah, I watched. That's right. I
3:36:41watched. That's right. I watched. What's
3:36:45Cuz that's
3:36:46a [ __ ]
3:36:48Help me. I couldn't
3:36:50do anything.
3:36:52Which little [ __ ] I thought there were
3:36:53two of them.
3:36:55And I think you said there was 6'1".
3:36:56That makes them much bigger than you.
3:36:58Maybe she was talking about her kids.
3:36:59Who knows?
3:37:00Yeah.
3:37:01Subconsciously. Yeah.
3:37:04I think
3:37:05>> Yeah, I think her psycho came out just a
3:37:07little bit there. Yeah.
3:37:10He turned around and said,
3:37:12Oh, now Diane, just stop.
3:37:17He put the gun up to my head Huh? and
3:37:20said he knew I was going to be dead
3:37:21next.
3:37:23And Christie was still moving.
3:37:26And Danny was crying.
3:37:30And I yanked my arm away from him and I
3:37:33hit the gun
3:37:35away from my head and I kicked him in
3:37:36the balls.
3:37:38Really?
3:37:43He says, Uh
3:37:45Liar.
3:37:49First of all, let's not forget I mean,
3:37:50not that we could, that in the last call
3:37:52he was like, "Well, why didn't you
3:37:54>> Yeah.
3:37:55Yeah, good.
3:37:57Yeah, no, just that's all. Why didn't
3:37:58you kick the boy in the balls? And I was
3:38:00thinking about that exactly and I think
3:38:01Is this as naked of an attempt as I as
3:38:04it is that she's like, "Oh, Nick doesn't
3:38:07like that I didn't kick him in the
3:38:08balls. I know. I'll tell him I I lying
3:38:10and I did kick him in the balls. I
3:38:12kicked him in the balls.
3:38:14She went from being like, "Oh, I
3:38:15watched." to being like, "And then I
3:38:17knocked the gun out of his hand and I
3:38:20kicked him in the balls. I saw I watched
3:38:23that little [ __ ]
3:38:25Yeah. And I'm not proud to say it, but
3:38:27you know what I did? I hit him in the
3:38:29balls. Right. Just like he wanted me to,
3:38:32Nick.
3:38:34Marry me.
3:38:37And he says, "Oh, you think you're real
3:38:38smart, huh, bitch?" And he grabbed my
3:38:40arm. You think you're real smart, huh,
3:38:42[ __ ]
3:38:46You think you're real smart, huh?
3:38:48Talking slang.
3:38:50And he shot me and I yanked and he
3:38:52missed.
3:38:53And then he started again.
3:38:55Oh, my god.
3:38:57And then they just sit there and said,
3:39:00"Well, let's see you get out of this."
3:39:04What?
3:39:05I just
3:39:07stood there and he said,
3:39:09"Now, let's see you get out of this."
3:39:11Or did she say that?
3:39:14I think he said it, but I'm not sure.
3:39:17"Huh, bitch?" And he grabbed my arm.
3:39:20And he shot me and I yanked and he
3:39:22missed.
3:39:24And then he started again.
3:39:27And then they made me sit there and
3:39:29said,
3:39:30"Well, let's see you get out of this."
3:39:32>> Oh, okay. Now they just sit there and
3:39:34see you out of this.
3:39:37And left.
3:39:41Well, then you saw what they looked like
3:39:42then, right?
3:39:44Yeah. Uh-oh. Now Nick is like,
3:39:46[Music]
3:39:47[Laughter]
3:39:51Imagine if Nick had that and he played
3:39:53it. Then that would be amazing.
3:39:56So, you had a very clear view of their
3:39:58faces since they seemed to be giving you
3:40:00monologues about their motive and how
3:40:02what they were going to do to you. You
3:40:03were two of them. And you heard their
3:40:05voices and
3:40:06>> Yeah. So, you could give a really good
3:40:07description, right? You could identify
3:40:09their dicks.
3:40:11Yeah.
3:40:15Only one.
3:40:17Only one. One.
3:40:19It was at the same picture even. Yeah.
3:40:23Yeah. Is it somebody you know, or is it
3:40:25somebody you know? No, it's nobody I
3:40:27know.
3:40:28I only saw him because of one reason.
3:40:31What reason?
3:40:32And what's the mask for?
3:40:35And when I had the gun and kicked the
3:40:36guy, I grabbed his mask and pulled it
3:40:38off.
3:40:39Oh, now they're wearing masks?
3:40:42That's the first we've heard of masks,
3:40:43isn't it?
3:40:45I think so, yeah. Why did she pull over
3:40:47for somebody with masks?
3:40:49Why wouldn't you? Well, but they put
3:40:51them on after she pulled over.
3:40:53Oh, got it.
3:40:56I don't know. If I see a couple guys
3:40:57wearing ski masks while I'm driving on a
3:41:00country road, Or
3:41:02I am going to stop and let them in.
3:41:05Yeah, I mean, you'll hear skid marks.
3:41:07That's how fast I'll stop. I'm just
3:41:08going to
3:41:10This is my kind of country [ __ ]
3:41:13That's the last time ski masks were used
3:41:15that I remember. The one behind me that
3:41:17didn't say anything, I have no idea what
3:41:19he looks like.
3:41:22I can tell you that he was tall enough
3:41:24that his hot breath was in the back of
3:41:26my head. I thought he was a little
3:41:27[ __ ] Yeah. His hot breath was in the
3:41:30back of my head.
3:41:35Disgusting. Were you like holding each
3:41:37other like in ghost or something? What
3:41:38are you doing?
3:41:40They did a little pottery. You know, she
3:41:42likes pottery.
3:41:46I don't know how tall that is.
3:41:49Well,
3:41:50taller than you. Yeah.
3:41:52Thanks for that word of enlightenment,
3:41:54Nick.
3:41:55[Music]
3:41:58Well, he didn't.
3:42:00Everyone base He
3:42:02At the end of this sixth call, everyone
3:42:04would hate you this this much at this
3:42:06point. Uh
3:42:12I don't know. I just can't think of
3:42:14anybody doing that.
3:42:17Why don't Why don't, you know, I still
3:42:19don't understand why you just don't Have
3:42:21you told the police so many different
3:42:23stories that it's too late for your ass
3:42:25now? Yes.
3:42:27I told him what I remembered.
3:42:32Which completely conflicts with what you
3:42:33have told them already.
3:42:35Despite you saying you told them the
3:42:37truth in the beginning, except for the
3:42:38police for some reason.
3:42:42And since this is different than what
3:42:43you said before, why did you lie to
3:42:45everyone else?
3:42:46And
3:42:48they said, "If you ever remember
3:42:49anything else, come tell us."
3:42:53Well, I didn't talk to him for a long
3:42:54time, and the only thing that I
3:42:55remembered was that the guy used my name
3:42:57and made a reference to my tattoo. Big
3:43:00deal. So what? That is a huge deal.
3:43:03That is a huge deal if he knows your
3:43:05name.
3:43:07A tremendous deal.
3:43:10I don't think you could flip the case
3:43:12more with it.
3:43:14It's a very narrow These are not things
3:43:17that you would not tell. There's no
3:43:19reason not to tell these things.
3:43:22Uh he knew where I lived.
3:43:24Okay.
3:43:26That isn't going to find who it is.
3:43:28So, I didn't tell him.
3:43:31Then when I went a week ago to talk to
3:43:32the sheriff,
3:43:34and they started talking about
3:43:36blank spots,
3:43:38not enough answers or whatever.
3:43:40And I started thinking.
3:43:43I started realizing that there were
3:43:44things that I didn't remember. And so, I
3:43:46told them about the name and the tattoo.
3:43:50This isn't things you didn't remember.
3:43:51This is completely different to the
3:43:53prior things you said.
3:43:55It's not one guy, it's two guys. That's
3:43:56That's not a
3:43:57blank, right? That is a totally
3:44:00different memory.
3:44:02And then they started taunting me and
3:44:03saying I was making it up.
3:44:06And it made me angry.
3:44:08Go figure.
3:44:09Because they're the ones that said that
3:44:11I couldn't remember stuff. They're the
3:44:13ones that made me try to remember.
3:44:16They're the ones that put me through
3:44:17this [ __ ]
3:44:17>> Who Who is she talking about at this
3:44:19point? Detectives.
3:44:21Oh, the detective. Okay. Yeah.
3:44:24And when I try to tell them
3:44:26what I remember,
3:44:28they start saying,
3:44:30"Sure that I am. We don't believe you."
3:44:32And I lived with that all my life with
3:44:34my dad.
3:44:35And then with Steve. Okay. Steve. Yes.
3:44:39Steve and dad.
3:44:43And it probably was true then as well.
3:44:45Your dad saying, "I don't believe you."
3:44:46cuz she's a pathological liar. Steve
3:44:50cheating on him all the time.
3:44:53Nobody
3:44:55The cops are saying, "I don't believe
3:44:58you either. Nobody ever believes me and
3:45:00I'm always telling the truth eventually
3:45:02at some point." Yeah, that's right.
3:45:07You're the only person that ever
3:45:09believed whatever I said. Oh, my god.
3:45:11So, this is just a play for for Nick
3:45:13again. Okay. Except my kids.
3:45:18And
3:45:19no, I'm not going to tell them.
3:45:21Cuz they won't believe me.
3:45:23Okay. I called Kurt back
3:45:27after I talked to him and I left
3:45:29because I remembered.
3:45:31And I swear to god, if they put me in
3:45:33jail, I don't care, but I'm going to get
3:45:35that bastard somehow.
3:45:38I'm going to get that bastard. Who is
3:45:40Kurt? Is that a
3:45:41>> It's the last thing I do.
3:45:43Who's Kurt?
3:45:45She talked about a Kurt?
3:45:47Yeah, she said
3:45:51I called Kurt back
3:45:53I called Kurt back.
3:45:55after I talked to him and I left Yeah,
3:45:57you're right. Maybe it must be a
3:45:58detective again. I don't know.
3:46:01because I remembered.
3:46:03And I swear to god, if they put me in
3:46:04jail, I don't care, but I'm going to get
3:46:06that bastard somehow. You do care. You
3:46:09guys are threatening police now.
3:46:12Okay. Well, she doesn't know it's
3:46:13recorded, so. Right.
3:46:16Probably still shouldn't do it.
3:46:19I'm going to take care of it myself.
3:46:22What? What?
3:46:24That could be
3:46:25You're going to kill the police officer
3:46:26yourself? She's going to take care of it
3:46:28herself.
3:46:30I don't know.
3:46:33I don't know.
3:46:35You're going to crack up before you can
3:46:36take anything or get to jail. You better
3:46:38go tell them everything you know.
3:46:41Well, like I said, I called Kurt.
3:46:44I told him that he had committed a
3:46:45felony of all things.
3:46:48I told him that I had tape
3:46:49conversations.
3:46:51And which I do. And he says, "That's a
3:46:54felony." I didn't say that. Fine. I
3:46:56guess I just can't use tape. There's no
3:46:58other way you can tape somebody on the
3:47:00phone, and that's fine.
3:47:02But if you tape them without telling
3:47:03them and you're talking to them, then
3:47:05that's a felony or something. Well,
3:47:06anyway, he made
3:47:08arrests.
3:47:10She's threatening Nick.
3:47:13I I don't know what she's doing.
3:47:15>> In a roundabout way, I think she's
3:47:17trying to She's putting out feelers.
3:47:19He's telling her to go to the police,
3:47:20but isn't this a story that she did go
3:47:22and told them this and they didn't
3:47:23believe her? Yeah.
3:47:25Okay.
3:47:27Well, cuz
3:47:28he's saying it because she's still not
3:47:29telling the truth. That's the problem.
3:47:31So.
3:47:32It was a newspaper article that he had
3:47:34read about him.
3:47:37And I called him back cuz I know where
3:47:38he read that article. He got it out of
3:47:41my mail.
3:47:42It was from the the Washington You're
3:47:45You're the only one that gets that
3:47:46article? Yeah.
3:47:48They They wrote one an article for one
3:47:50person? This woman is absolutely nuts.
3:47:54>> Nuts. This is nuts.
3:47:58Yeah.
3:47:59But she's not absolutely nuts. I mean,
3:48:00yeah, she's crazy like, you know,
3:48:03She's just extremely stupid.
3:48:05>> But she's also very stupid and she's not
3:48:08crazy like not guilty by insanity crazy.
3:48:11>> Right. Just like we like narcissistic
3:48:15I think she's an excellent manipulator.
3:48:17>> personality disorder sociopath crazy.
3:48:21that Karen from back in Kentucky had
3:48:23sent me.
3:48:25From Dr. Levine's office? Oh, she's
3:48:27saying it was a wash Somebody in
3:48:29Kentucky took Washington Post and then
3:48:32mailed it to her, and that's how
3:48:33somebody took it out of uh their mail
3:48:36like because I guess the Washington Post
3:48:37is not delivering more of the places in
3:48:40Washington, D.C. It was from the the
3:48:42Washington Post that Karen from back in
3:48:44Kentucky had sent me.
3:48:47From Dr. Levine's office? Mhm. And when
3:48:49it got here, it was open and had
3:48:51official seal postal seals on it cuz
3:48:53it's been opened. Mhm. And so, I asked
3:48:56her about that, and he
3:48:58he says, "I don't recall
3:49:00where I got it from." He says, "It was
3:49:02an out-of-town newspaper." And I said,
3:49:03"Yeah, like the Washington Post. You got
3:49:05it You got it in my mail, and you
3:49:07committed a felony." And he says, "What
3:49:08are you trying to say, Diane?" And I
3:49:10said, "Nothing. It's just
3:49:12you committed a felony."
3:49:14Yeah, no. He'd probably ask you, "What
3:49:16are you talking about?" Cuz he like,
3:49:17"What the [ __ ] are you talking about?
3:49:18What felony?"
3:49:20Yeah. Yeah.
3:49:21>> It's Washington Post.
3:49:22It's not a local newspaper. Right.
3:49:26I I'm sitting here like
3:49:28cuz I
3:49:28>> it wasn't national at back then,
3:49:30probably, but
3:49:31>> supposed to open someone else's mail.
3:49:33Right, but
3:49:35he it's still the Washington Post. It's
3:49:38not some small newspaper.
3:49:41Yeah.
3:49:42All right.
3:49:43And I don't even know what the
3:49:45What is the newspaper have
3:49:46You telling me the detectives are like,
3:49:48"Ah, hot scoop.
3:49:50Here's the evidence we need, the
3:49:51newspaper." We were talking, and he
3:49:54says,
3:49:55"What is You know, I really honestly
3:49:57thought Kurt believes me. I really do."
3:50:00Well, then why aren't you down there
3:50:02telling him everything?
3:50:03Now, she thinks Kurt believes her even
3:50:05though she's going to get that bastard.
3:50:07She doesn't think that.
3:50:09Because I tried to tell him on the
3:50:11phone.
3:50:13I was almost about to tell him, and then
3:50:15Doug says, "You better tell us the truth
3:50:17this time." And that did it. I told him
3:50:20the truth all along.
3:50:22What? I can't help it if I didn't
3:50:24remember.
3:50:26Totally normal.
3:50:27>> I can't help it if things came back slow
3:50:29and in spooky ways.
3:50:31That's just the way it happens. I know,
3:50:33but they said that I was lying. Because
3:50:35he said, "You better tell me the truth."
3:50:36That means I was lying. And I wasn't
3:50:39lying.
3:50:40>> That's how it works.
3:50:41>> can explain all that, too, just like you
3:50:42explained it to me.
3:50:44He didn't believe me.
3:50:49Can you tell him really insecure right
3:50:50now? I feel like a damn kid again. No.
3:50:55Oh.
3:50:57Oh.
3:50:58[Music]
3:51:01I don't know what's going to happen when
3:51:02this is all over.
3:51:05You're going to go to jail.
3:51:07Right now, I don't care.
3:51:12As long as Steve thinks he's safe, or
3:51:14whoever did this thinks they're safe,
3:51:17then my kids are safe.
3:51:19Well,
3:51:20Look, I told them They said, "What if he
3:51:22kills again?" The kids aren't safe. One
3:51:25of them's dead. One of them's paralyzed.
3:51:27They don't even talk.
3:51:29What is wrong with you, lady?
3:51:32He won't.
3:51:33Right now, he's probably scared
3:51:35shitless, and he isn't going to do a
3:51:36damn thing for fear that he's going to
3:51:38be suspected.
3:51:41Who, Kurt?
3:51:42>> somebody No, I think Steve. I don't
3:51:45know.
3:51:47Steve.
3:51:48>> Whoever did this thinks they're safe,
3:51:50then my kids are safe.
3:51:54Look, I told them They said, "What if he
3:51:56kills again?"
3:51:58He won't.
3:52:00What? So, he's not going to let me kill
3:52:01anybody else?
3:52:03Right now, he's probably scared
3:52:05shitless, and he isn't going to do a
3:52:06damn thing for fear that he's
3:52:08>> know?
3:52:10Because he did it.
3:52:12That's why he's he's scared shitless.
3:52:14Uh-huh.
3:52:15That's why he doesn't He doesn't He's
3:52:16doesn't dare do a damn thing
3:52:18cuz he might be suspected. Because
3:52:20Steve's get Steve's knows he's going to
3:52:22get away with it cuz she's going to be
3:52:23taking the fall.
3:52:24>> So, now it's Steve for sure?
3:52:26Well, she doesn't know if it's Steve,
3:52:28but
3:52:29or whatever guy did this. Now, she
3:52:32>> Yeah.
3:52:33>> Yeah, but if it was Steve,
3:52:35he's not going to do anything.
3:52:37They asked me why somebody hasn't
3:52:38called.
3:52:40Well, I can tell you people call and
3:52:41hang up.
3:52:43But Yeah, I'm pretty sure you probably
3:52:45get a lot of those calls, actually,
3:52:46Diane.
3:52:47Just to harass you for being a child
3:52:50murderer.
3:52:52About a week and a half or two Well, for
3:52:54about a week, it stopped about a week
3:52:57ago.
3:52:58For a week, somebody called about three
3:53:00or four times a day and hung up.
3:53:02Oh, no.
3:53:03>> Yeah, honestly, I thought it was
3:53:04Charlene.
3:53:05Because it was right after you said you
3:53:07gave me your phone number and said that
3:53:09I could call if I needed to.
3:53:10>> Now, we're back on Charlene.
3:53:12>> I thought it was Charlene.
3:53:13Oh my god.
3:53:14>> it was Kurt it was. I'm sure it wasn't,
3:53:16too, because this person called and
3:53:19transferred the call when I wasn't here.
3:53:20And Charlene, I think, knew that I was
3:53:22back at work cuz I told you I was back
3:53:23at work.
3:53:25How did you know, then?
3:53:31Okay, so it's not Charlene, now. So,
3:53:33it'd be silly for her to call and hang
3:53:34up.
3:53:35So, I don't think it was her.
3:53:37It
3:53:38She would have called when she knew I
3:53:39was here so that she could hang up on
3:53:41me, not my mom or my brother. Why would
3:53:44somebody
3:53:45How are you making the connection
3:53:46between somebody who would shoot three
3:53:48children and someone who does hang up
3:53:49calls?
3:53:51Um
3:53:53Come on, Suma. That's pretty heartless.
3:53:56I'm surprised. I'm disappointed in you.
3:53:59Yeah. Those kids were lucky that they
3:54:02didn't have to endure three three
3:54:06phone calls and hang ups.
3:54:07>> Hang ups, yeah.
3:54:10Well, Yeah, she's not lucky at all. She
3:54:13>> answer the phone cuz they can barely
3:54:14move or they're dead. Yeah. They can't
3:54:16speak, and they can't pick it up.
3:54:21So, somebody called and hung up. Then I
3:54:24figured it was just the cops.
3:54:27The cops are not going to call and hang
3:54:28up, either. Trying to force us to change
3:54:30our phone number or something so that
3:54:33we would quit talking to people cuz
3:54:35people were calling and giving us leads.
3:54:38Oh my god.
3:54:40Yeah, that sounds like a real winner.
3:54:42The police are down there God damn
3:54:44All the leads are coming in. You know
3:54:46what we got to do? We got to put a stop
3:54:47to this. How do we do that? How are they
3:54:49even getting through with all the hang
3:54:51ups going on?
3:54:52>> No. Uh how how
3:54:54How are we going to do that? Uh what we
3:54:56need to do is call them non-stop with
3:54:58the hang ups. They will get so annoyed
3:55:01with the hang ups that they will change
3:55:02the number, and they won't get any more
3:55:04tips. Boom.
3:55:06Let's not give them any more tips or
3:55:08anything cuz we don't want to hear the
3:55:09tips.
3:55:10No.
3:55:11Didn't know who it was. For all I know,
3:55:13it was this person, but it stopped.
3:55:16Yeah, but she
3:55:16>> So, I don't know who it was. I don't
3:55:18care who it was. Might have even been
3:55:20the killer. I mean, for someone who
3:55:21doesn't care, she talks about these hang
3:55:23up calls a lot. I mean, what is this?
3:55:25Eighth grade?
3:55:27But, the person hasn't made a threat on
3:55:29my life.
3:55:30And that's
3:55:31I thought you said he put a gun to your
3:55:33head.
3:55:35They did shoot you, Diane.
3:55:38Hi, Jennifer.
3:55:39And bad touched you, whatever the [ __ ]
3:55:41that means.
3:55:44No, they were only talking about the bad
3:55:45touch.
3:55:46Oh, they didn't even do the bad touch?
3:55:49They just
3:55:49>> just talking about the bad touch. Yeah.
3:55:51Yeah.
3:55:52Uh made a threat on my life.
3:55:55And that's simple to understand.
3:55:57They're chasing me so hard. Why in the
3:55:59world would he care for his life?
3:56:03You know what, though?
3:56:05What?
3:56:05>> He's chasing Kurt Kurt for a guarantee.
3:56:07I don't like gambling. I've never liked
3:56:10gambling. I always lose when I gamble.
3:56:14And I kept asking Kurt, "If I told you
3:56:16everything that I could remember, if I
3:56:18went to a shrink and brought it out
3:56:21somehow, and I remember everything and
3:56:22was able to tell you,
3:56:24could you guarantee that you would be
3:56:26able to prove who did it?" And they kept
3:56:29saying,
3:56:30"I don't know. We can't guarantee." But,
3:56:32you know what, Kurt?
3:56:33Yeah, because if you go and tell them a
3:56:35bunch of [ __ ] they're not going to
3:56:37guarantee it.
3:56:38>> understands.
3:56:40He I think he knew that I really
3:56:42remembered.
3:56:44I think everyone knows you remembered.
3:56:47What is this, Diane?
3:56:49And he I asked him. I said, "Yeah, I
3:56:52know who did it."
3:56:55And I said, "But, can you guarantee me
3:56:57that that person can't get back at me
3:56:59and can't kill my kids?"
3:57:01And he said, "Yeah." For the first time,
3:57:04he really gave me a guarantee.
3:57:07Well, do you know who did it?
3:57:11I did it.
3:57:13I'm a narcissist.
3:57:16God, that's such a long pause.
3:57:20back at me and can't kill my kids.
3:57:23And he said, "Yeah." For the first time,
3:57:26he really gave me a guarantee.
3:57:29Well, do you know who did it?
3:57:32Uh-oh. I didn't say it was Greg because
3:57:34it was done
3:57:35for Steve.
3:57:36Didn't see that coming. It was only
3:57:38easy. Either Steve or Greg because
3:57:41g-
3:57:42cuz it was done for Steve.
3:57:45Wow.
3:57:46Call from Paul and Helen.
3:57:49Yeah.
3:57:52It was done as a favor to Steve so that
3:57:54Nick Nick would never raise those kids.
3:57:59Well,
3:58:01Greg did it as a favor to Steve so that
3:58:03you would never raise these kids, Nick.
3:58:06But Nick doesn't want her kids. Right.
3:58:12Don't you see? Exactly.
3:58:16I don't see.
3:58:19Exactly.
3:58:20You don't see.
3:58:23And so he wouldn't have ever worried
3:58:25about them again.
3:58:29And now Greg's gone with $4,000.
3:58:33As far as I know, that's true. That's
3:58:35what Steve said the last time I talked
3:58:37to him about Greg, which was a couple
3:58:39weeks ago. Greg disappeared,
3:58:41split with $4,000.
3:58:43$4,000?
3:58:46Well,
3:58:47but why would Greg Why would
3:58:50If If Steve did this, why would Steve
3:58:52complain about the fact that Greg left
3:58:54with $4,000? Why not keep any payment
3:58:56stuff like hush-hush?
3:58:58Why would he Why would he bring up the
3:59:00fact if he gave her that him the $4,000?
3:59:03It doesn't make any sense. He was
3:59:05stupid.
3:59:06Yeah.
3:59:11I don't know what's up.
3:59:14Well, that's
3:59:16Sounds like someone you got to tell
3:59:18Kurt.
3:59:20I know.
3:59:21I should.
3:59:25But I can't.
3:59:26>> should.
3:59:27Yes.
3:59:32You know what? With the way my luck
3:59:33runs,
3:59:35they'll just use it against me somehow.
3:59:37I don't know how in court.
3:59:40I don't trust them. I really don't.
3:59:43I don't trust them either. If I give him
3:59:45the idea of the killer,
3:59:47I know it's going to come back and bite
3:59:49me in the ass.
3:59:52Yeah.
3:59:54Uh Jennifer Mills, $5. That bastard is
3:59:57her reverting back to a single shooter,
3:59:59forgetting there are two now. Well, only
4:00:01one of them shot.
4:00:03Yeah. And the other one didn't even
4:00:04shoot, didn't say anything,
4:00:06even though they were saying they were
4:00:08saying bad bad ugly stuff. It was Greg
4:00:11and Steve. Greg and Steve?
4:00:15The whole time. And his wife.
4:00:17Thank you for
4:00:19the donation, Jennifer.
4:00:21I think there's about 5 minutes left of
4:00:22the video.
4:00:23>> her own husband?
4:00:25Yeah.
4:00:25>> No, Steve Steve hired Greg, and then
4:00:29Greg hired somebody else, obviously,
4:00:31because she doesn't know who they were.
4:00:33But there's two people. Right. Greg
4:00:35hired two people. One of whom being
4:00:38Greg, and then
4:00:39>> no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.
4:00:42So Steve hired Greg.
4:00:44>> Greg subcontracted
4:00:46Yeah. to two other people. That's why
4:00:49they knew all of her information, but
4:00:51they didn't he she didn't know them at
4:00:52all. Don't you see? It's perfect. It's a
4:00:56perfect crime.
4:00:58Oh my god. The
4:01:00end goal was to kill three children.
4:01:04Yes. Yes.
4:01:07It was
4:01:08Well, I mean,
4:01:10that was just like a happy coincidence
4:01:11that the kids got killed.
4:01:13It was just luck luck. And the No, the
4:01:15motive was that so Nick would never be
4:01:18able to raise those kids
4:01:20because Nick doesn't want those kids
4:01:23also. Yeah.
4:01:25Yeah.
4:01:27>> Some Yeah. Which actually maybe now Nick
4:01:31hired Steve to do it, and then Steve
4:01:34subcontracted again to Greg, and Greg
4:01:36subcontracted to two other people, and
4:01:39then they killed the kids because Nick
4:01:41really wants to be with Diane, but Nick
4:01:43doesn't want those kids, so that's why
4:01:44he planted the idea in Steve's head that
4:01:47he was going to raise the kids.
4:01:49Wow, this is complicated, Diane.
4:01:52Yeah, no wonder you didn't tell anyone.
4:01:54Yeah.
4:01:56It's almost unbelievable.
4:01:58Yes, definitely it is.
4:02:01Well,
4:02:02Jared,
4:02:04What's up? real [ __ ] Yeah.
4:02:07Yeah. I knew people didn't like me.
4:02:10Again? I didn't think the particular was
4:02:12crazy about it, but
4:02:14it didn't matter because usually the
4:02:16people I didn't like
4:02:18didn't like me, so it was mutual.
4:02:23Yeah, but nobody hated your kids.
4:02:25Yeah, and nobody really thought about
4:02:27you, I would be my guess.
4:02:30And nobody hated you enough to kill your
4:02:31kids. I mean, you're just the local town
4:02:34[ __ ]
4:02:35Yeah. And male person.
4:02:38Nobody hated anybody that much.
4:02:41Nobody has the right to take somebody's
4:02:43life.
4:02:44They didn't take your life.
4:02:47They shot your kids.
4:02:49Oh my
4:02:53I was watching TV the other day. Oh my
4:02:55god.
4:02:57MTV. Yesterday, as a matter of fact,
4:03:01there was an Asia video with this
4:03:03woman that does gymnastics and flips all
4:03:06the way through the whole video. I don't
4:03:07know if you
4:03:08No, I just said I didn't see it. Okay,
4:03:10that's right. Yes.
4:03:12Feel like this isn't going to be
4:03:13relevant.
4:03:14No?
4:03:15I forgot.
4:03:17You know?
4:03:18What of her watching TV is it not going
4:03:20to be relevant to the case? Whatever
4:03:22happened with this No, with this aerobic
4:03:24person on MTV. It just reminded me of
4:03:26her dead vital.
4:03:27Oh, it reminded her of her dead
4:03:29daughter. Asia video.
4:03:31Yeah.
4:03:33Heat of the
4:03:34moment.
4:03:36That's what she was thought to It's the
4:03:38heat of the moment. That's how she used
4:03:42to look.
4:03:43[Music]
4:03:47What, Carolina Hurtado? What So it
4:03:49wasn't Charlene? Oh, that's a great
4:03:52point. So it wasn't Charlene? Or maybe
4:03:54Charlene is in
4:03:55>> She doesn't think she could have done
4:03:56it. No, she knows Charlene didn't do it,
4:03:58and she was very happy to tell Steve
4:04:00that. I mean,
4:04:01Nick that. Yeah, not Charlene. Not
4:04:04tonight, anyway. It's not Charlene.
4:04:07I don't know. I still don't trust
4:04:08Charlene. And Charlene, me neither.
4:04:14I miss them.
4:04:19I'm sorry. I shouldn't be crying. You
4:04:21don't need to hear me crying.
4:04:23Yes.
4:04:25You're not really crying. So we're not
4:04:27hearing it.
4:04:29She just wasn't at the funeral at the
4:04:32funeral.
4:04:34What? God, even when Charlene
4:04:35>> Charlene wasn't there at the funeral?
4:04:41Why would Charlene be at the funeral?
4:04:43>> at the funeral.
4:04:45Oh, maybe it was that she didn't look
4:04:47like that at the funeral.
4:04:47>> I'm sorry. I shouldn't be crying. You
4:04:48don't need to hear me crying. Oh, shut
4:04:51up.
4:04:55She just wasn't at the funeral at the
4:04:57funeral.
4:05:00I don't know what it was. God, even when
4:05:01Charlene slept, she didn't look that
4:05:03strange.
4:05:06What?
4:05:07>> Oh, she Oh, she just looks so strange at
4:05:09the funeral. God, even when she slept,
4:05:12she didn't look that strange.
4:05:14Yeah, well, that's the problem with an
4:05:16open casket.
4:05:24How could somebody do that to her?
4:05:27She didn't deserve that.
4:05:29It wasn't me, Nick.
4:05:31No, she certainly didn't. None of them.
4:05:34They didn't They killed me instead.
4:05:39Why did they kill you instead? Because
4:05:40you were killing them.
4:05:47So if Steve hates Nick that much,
4:05:51why wouldn't Steve just have
4:05:54Diane killed?
4:05:57Because then Nick would get those kids.
4:06:00Wouldn't they stay with their father?
4:06:03No.
4:06:04No, it doesn't work that way. Exactly.
4:06:07Yeah, they're going to give the kids to
4:06:09the one guy who has no relation to them
4:06:10and doesn't want kids. And doesn't even
4:06:13want them. Right. And you know what?
4:06:15Even though he doesn't want kids, I
4:06:17would bet everything I have that he
4:06:19would not have shot them. But here's the
4:06:21thing.
4:06:22Nick is going to be so mad at Steve
4:06:24after Diane was killed by Steve that
4:06:26he'll be like, "You know what? I will
4:06:28raise these kids."
4:06:29>> Now, watch this. Hold my beer.
4:06:34Watch me lift Watch me raise the out of
4:06:36these kids. Yeah,
4:06:37exactly. Get ready for a doctor and a
4:06:39lawyer and whatever that little one's
4:06:40going to be.
4:06:42Yeah. Probably violent or something.
4:06:44>> and an engineer. A performer.
4:06:50Oh.
4:06:52Diane, I think you need to just
4:06:55rest today
4:06:56and try to think real clearly the rest
4:06:59of today.
4:07:02And write it all down on paper if that's
4:07:04what it takes you.
4:07:06And go down and talk to Kurt
4:07:08either tonight or tomorrow after you get
4:07:10off work.
4:07:13I don't have to write it down. I keep
4:07:14tapes. Almost every day I write I talk
4:07:18on a tape.
4:07:19And say what happened that day. How's
4:07:21that?
4:07:23I think she should write it down.
4:07:26Well, actually, the weirder part is on
4:07:28tape, and she can't play it back and
4:07:29hear it. Like, "Oh, wait a minute. I
4:07:31said
4:07:31That chick's crazy.
4:07:34Um I think I'm starting to think that
4:07:36maybe he's he really is trying to get to
4:07:39her to tell the truth. Like, to actually
4:07:42tell them, but
4:07:44Yeah, it's not going to work. Well, he
4:07:46doesn't want cops looking at him. Yeah,
4:07:48I'm not sure if that's what the I don't
4:07:50think they're looking at him.
4:07:53No, but I'm saying Yeah, but in his
4:07:54mind, he he she is constantly saying
4:07:57it's either Steve or Greg or your
4:07:58ex-wife or the guy at or the two guys or
4:08:02somebody that they hired, right? He
4:08:03knows fully that anybody else she'd be
4:08:05talking to like Steve she'd be like,
4:08:07"It's Nick. It's Nick's wife." Yeah.
4:08:09But he's got to know it's saying thing
4:08:11to everyone. He's got to know that they
4:08:13know it's her.
4:08:14Right, but he's going to just I would
4:08:16make the tapes if I was him. I'd be
4:08:17like, "Yeah, I'm going to record
4:08:18everything she says."
4:08:20Tonight, tomorrow after you get off
4:08:22work. I mean, I wouldn't be talking to
4:08:23her at all.
4:08:25To write it down, I keep folks. Almost
4:08:27every day I write I talk on a tape. And
4:08:32we're assuming that or I mean we we
4:08:34don't know it's very possible that she
4:08:36was saying, "You know, they're looking
4:08:37at this could be somebody I know or
4:08:39somebody
4:08:41that I had an affair with or something
4:08:42you like she keeps saying that to him
4:08:45before then she he's like, "All right,
4:08:46you know what? I'm going to start
4:08:47recording these things because she is
4:08:51uh crazy." Yeah.
4:08:54I'd say what happened that day.
4:08:58Right from the beginning.
4:09:01I've got it recorded when Paul
4:09:02interrogated Christie.
4:09:05Got it recorded when I
4:09:07Nick Tracy told me I had to prove my
4:09:09innocence.
4:09:12I've got it all recorded. I know exactly
4:09:15what happened every day. Damn, if only
4:09:18you had that recorder during the murder.
4:09:21Yeah, it's too bad.
4:09:23Yeah.
4:09:26I know exactly when I remember certain
4:09:28things.
4:09:33I don't have to write it down. Okay, we
4:09:36get it.
4:09:36>> Cuz they talk too fast. Ask the
4:09:37detectives.
4:09:39They always talk too fast.
4:09:41Have to be talking. You're not listening
4:09:43to your cell phone writing it down.
4:09:45That's the point of writing it down if
4:09:46you talk too fast. I mean
4:09:51I don't know.
4:09:52I think Doug said even if they could
4:09:53take short notes, couldn't keep up.
4:09:56Yeah, well sometimes you don't take a
4:09:58breath, that's for sure.
4:10:03I was going to call you before.
4:10:06Okay.
4:10:08I just want to meet you.
4:10:11I know what happened and I can live with
4:10:14it.
4:10:14Okay.
4:10:15>> I can't take it.
4:10:17And it's ugly.
4:10:21Please say that ugly things.
4:10:24Okay, well you got your [ __ ] covered and
4:10:25then you got your [ __ ] covered. You know
4:10:27better than me.
4:10:32I miss you.
4:10:34Yes.
4:10:37I still respect you and I still love
4:10:39you.
4:10:40He knows.
4:10:41You're the most honest sensitive man
4:10:43I've ever met.
4:10:45Seriously, how good was his dick?
4:10:48Very good apparently.
4:10:49>> don't have time for you anymore. Oh.
4:10:53Well, things change. What happens?
4:10:57Somebody did this to my kids because
4:10:59they hated me.
4:11:01We get it.
4:11:04And I'll probably spend the rest of my
4:11:05life making up to my kids.
4:11:08Well, not all of them.
4:11:11But they did because of me.
4:11:16Well, you give it some serious thought
4:11:18before you talk to them again.
4:11:20I'm not going to talk to them.
4:11:22No kidding.
4:11:23>> I'm talking about the police. I know.
4:11:25I'm not going to talk to them. Mhm.
4:11:27What did he
4:11:27>> They're just going to come get you then,
4:11:28Diane. That's fine.
4:11:31And you're just going to go to jail? I
4:11:32don't care.
4:11:34Well, that's what to the second chair.
4:11:37Well,
4:11:38think about it. You're making a decision
4:11:40you don't know nothing about.
4:11:43Just think about it.
4:11:45I know.
4:11:47I'm going to have to cut you short today
4:11:49cuz it's Sherilyn's parents' anniversary
4:11:52and we got to get our ass out of here.
4:11:53That's fine.
4:11:55So,
4:11:56>> Love you, Nick.
4:11:57I know that. Think about it.
4:11:59I love you. I know that. I do. Bye-bye.
4:12:03Well, that was short. That was She let
4:12:05him go pretty early.
4:12:07Fast. Well, cuz she her hook her uh
4:12:12manipulation wasn't really working at
4:12:14all. I don't know why he dropped on
4:12:15there. There you go. I remembered that I
4:12:17thought they talked about the gun in
4:12:19that call for some reason. Is there Did
4:12:21we hear a call where they talked about
4:12:22the gun?
4:12:22>> Yeah, the gun That was last night. Yeah,
4:12:24yeah.
4:12:26Um I was a good one though.
4:12:28Yeah.
4:12:29Okay, well those are the six calls we
4:12:32have access to so far. I really think
4:12:34she cared about Nick more than she cared
4:12:36about the police and you know,
4:12:38Right. If Nick had said, "I'll marry you
4:12:41and I'll stay with you even if you get
4:12:42convicted." She would've been like,
4:12:44"Whatever, let's I'll take the plea."
4:12:46Yeah, I think she was hoping that
4:12:48Nick would I mean, yeah, that Nick would
4:12:51be like, "Let's get out of here, you
4:12:53know, let's
4:12:53>> run away before our before we're
4:12:56We can be together apart forever, right?
4:12:58>> Yeah.
4:13:02But anyway,
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