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0:00Hello, everyone. I'm HearMeOut. Welcome
0:03to my channel. Welcome to part two of
0:05the Diane Downs 2020 parole hearing
0:08insanity. If you didn't catch part one,
0:11make sure and check it out in the Diane
0:12Downs playlist that is in the
0:14description of this video. And because
0:16I'm lazy, I'm going to reuse the intro
0:18from part one starting now. I've got a
0:21trivia question for you. What singular
0:23story involves J. Edgar Hoover, King
0:26Michael of Romania, and film rights for
0:29Motown Productions? Can't guess? Okay,
0:32I'll give you another hint. It also
0:33involves a man, possibly men, or even
0:37the entire collective effort of the
0:39United States government that quite
0:41possibly has murdered everyone who has
0:43ever died in Diane Downs' life,
0:46including her pets when she was a child.
0:48Now, if you said her 2020 parole
0:50hearing, you would be absolutely
0:53correct. Because I'm telling you,
0:55despite already having a reputation for
0:57fantastical explanations proving her
1:00innocence,
1:01this parole hearing isn't on another
1:03level, it's in another dimension. Now,
1:06if you don't know who Diane Downs is,
1:08there's a short summary of her
1:10background in the description of this
1:11video below.
1:13But basically, she shot her three kids
1:15in 1983, blamed it on a stranger in the
1:17road, and was convicted and sent to
1:19prison for life, where she has spent the
1:21last 41 years. This 2020 parole hearing
1:24was her third attempt, and it might be
1:27the greatest one of all because we have
1:28the complete hearing, and no one is
1:30there telling her to stop talking. I
1:32cannot tell you how excited I am to
1:34review this with all of you. And of
1:36course, before we begin, for those of
1:38you just joining us for the first time,
1:40this is a commentary channel meant for
1:42both laughter and examination of the
1:45biggest morons to have ever attempted
1:47the dumbest criminal activities. Make
1:49sure to check out the many playlists in
1:51the description of this video for the
1:53different subjects we cover, such as
1:54Sara Boone, Lauren Armstrong, etc.
1:57Basically, if they're an idiot, they're
1:58going to end up being talked about here.
2:00And if you like what you see here, don't
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2:05Hello to everyone who's with us live in
2:06the chat right now, and of course, hello
2:08to the replay crew. And don't forget to
2:10hit the like button because we all know
2:12what happens when you don't, and
2:14nobody's going to like that.
2:17I'm joined by my two favorite guests
2:18tonight, X Derek and Suma,
2:21and I've got 15 pages of notes, so this
2:23should be great. All right. Let's go.
2:57Hello, everyone. Welcome back again. For
2:59those who were just on the Sara Boone
3:02call number four stream, welcome. Thanks
3:04for sticking around. I don't know if
3:06people got
3:07uh successfully moved over, but
3:10it's part two of the Diane Downs 2020
3:13parole call
3:14uh hearing. And we, of course, right now
3:17only have X Dex
3:19Dexter, damn it. I was doing so I was
3:22hitting on 100% all day. X Derek.
3:25Suma is a little bit behind, but hello,
3:28X Derek.
3:30I'm good, and you?
3:32So, you had to dip out a little bit
3:34earlier last night. I know you have to
3:35dip out in about 3 hours if we don't
3:39>> yeah, more or less.
3:41But um
3:43yeah, we are going to pick up halfway
3:45We're almost halfway through part two.
3:48Uh but I think we left off yesterday
3:52with saying She was talking about her
3:54physical health.
3:56So, let's bring this up here. a whole
3:58building that's set aside for positive
4:01cases, and another wing set aside for
4:03people Now, she's talking about COVID
4:05right now, I believe.
4:08Mhm. that are being tested. So,
4:11that part of my health, I have
4:13arthritis. Um
4:16I'm obese.
4:18That's not good. Um
4:24Past that, I guess I'm good. My health
4:26is good.
4:28All right, thank you. There are people
4:32You can finish your thought if if you
4:34would like. I I
4:36I was just going to say there are people
4:37that are in a way worse condition.
4:39There's people in wheelchairs, there's
4:40people with canes, and and so when I
4:42look at them, I think I'm good. I'm
4:44good. But if you're asking like from a
4:47doctor's point of view,
4:49yeah,
4:50I'm broke down.
4:51I'm getting there.
4:53All right. Wouldn't that Wouldn't that
4:55be the only relevant information on
4:57saying, "How's your physical health?"
4:58Well, if you were going to ask a doctor,
5:00yeah, that's all we care about, Diane.
5:02Thank you.
5:03Uh Miss Crest, do you have any questions
5:05regarding the psychological report?
5:09And to that, thank you. Um since we're
5:11on the topic of health, I did want to
5:13also ask, uh do you have an assigned
5:15mental health caseworker at the
5:17institution?
5:19No, I don't.
5:21I've asked Are you on any
5:23Go ahead.
5:24Are you on any medications related to
5:27mental health?
5:28No.
5:34And you started to say you've asked for
5:36one, but
5:37I've asked for one because it was uh the
5:40parole board
5:41uh made it clear that
5:44they couldn't tell with I've gone from
5:46point A to point B to point Z without a
5:49professional telling them.
5:52And so I've asked for one, and the psych
5:55that saw me said, "We discontinued our
5:58mental health hospitals here years ago.
6:01We are low on resources, low on staff.
6:04We cannot
6:06waste our resources and staff time on
6:09healthy people. There's nothing wrong
6:11with you." So, that's the closest I've
6:13ever come to getting a psych evaluation.
6:16So, I I tried. I tried.
6:21And in regards to the psychological
6:23evaluation,
6:25um
6:26one of the statements in the reports
6:28states, "Miss Downs' case received
6:30intense media attention, and there is a
6:31suggestion in the records that she has
6:33enjoyed the notoriety her case has
6:35received. In her dealing with her legal
6:37case, Miss Downs rarely presented with
6:39low-sad affect, but instead appeared to
6:42relish in the limelight." Any response
6:44to that statement?
6:46I want What do we think, guys? Does that
6:49sound like Diane?
6:50Does she relish in the um
6:54limelight of the media?
6:56What do you think, Derek?
6:59Does she relish the media? Considering
7:01she was so giggly and
7:04>> Yeah. happy and smiley days after
7:08murdering her child, yeah, I would say
7:10she likes it. Okay, so we we vote that
7:13as true. Right? Mhm.
7:15>> I don't know where in the records it
7:16says that. I hate the media. I I can't
7:20stand the media.
7:21I talked to the media
7:24when I first went to New Jersey,
7:27I was 3,000 miles away from my kids, and
7:30I talked to the media one, two, three
7:34times
7:35because it was the only way that I could
7:38tell my kids I loved them. It's on a TV
7:41show.
7:42No, no, no, not for me to the TV show.
7:44All of that always got edited out. So, I
7:46haven't talked And you didn't really
7:47talk to them, right? You You went on
7:49with Ann Rule.
7:51Then she gave it And they cut it out.
7:53Like, you were obsessed with talking
7:54about all the men you were sleeping
7:55with, how wrong Ann Rule was.
7:58Jeez.
7:59to the media since then. I have nothing
8:02to say to the media. I don't relish the
8:04limelight. In prison, when you're in
8:07prison,
8:09people don't hate me because they think
8:11I'm a quote unquote baby killer. You
8:13know,
8:14Why do they hate her? Why do Why do we
8:16think? Well, I know the answer, but
8:18yeah.
8:19Yeah.
8:23They hate you because they ain't you.
8:24>> Why they hate me?
8:25Because I'm famous.
8:27>> What?
8:28Yeah.
8:28>> So, I really don't relish the limelight.
8:30This This is
8:34best thing that ever happened to me in
8:35prison was getting old.
8:38Now, all the youngsters, they're all
8:41doing their own thing and all trying to
8:43get famous and all trying to go out and
8:45gang bang so they could make the world
8:46the the world news.
8:48It's weird. Is she talking about the
8:50people that are in prison or the people
8:51that are outside coming into prison?
8:55Like, they're going out and gang
8:56banging. Are they going out and gang
8:57banging from prison like at night?
8:59>> I understood it as people in prison when
9:01I first heard it.
9:04Okay.
9:06By the way, I'm working on something for
9:07you right here. And they forget about me
9:10because I'm just that old lady.
9:13I'm just the old lady in the garden.
9:15That's all I am anymore. And no, I do
9:18not relish the limelight. I have never
9:20relished the limelight. I
9:23The only people who have ever said that
9:24is the media. That's
9:26That's why I want to know where it says
9:28that in the records. She says it's in
9:29the record, but I don't understand where
9:31it's in the record. I I haven't seen it.
9:34So.
9:36Well, it My other question It's the
9:38record of, you know, watching TV
9:41and seeing how you are on TV.
9:43Regarding the evaluation, there's sort
9:45of a consistent theme around narcissism
9:49in the evaluation, and sort of a uh
9:55you know, feeling of being self-centered
9:57um or self-important. How How do you
10:00respond to that? And do you do you feel
10:02like you recognize some narcissistic
10:05traits in yourself?
10:08Two things to be said for that. One,
10:12this parole board hearing is about me.
10:14So, we're talking about me. Could you
10:16give a more narcissistic answer
10:18while trying to say you're not
10:21uh narcissistic that you're not talking
10:22about the fact that you're discussing
10:23yourself here, Diane? What an idiot.
10:27That isn't me being self-centered.
10:30That's me trying to answer questions
10:31from my point of view so that you'll
10:33understand what's happening to me. Same
10:35with the psych evaluation. It wasn't It
10:38was all about me, but not from my point
10:40of view. I am complying with your
10:43requests
10:44to tell you about me.
10:46Second of all, in here, I do charity
10:49work. I do things for other people. I
10:52don't sit around
10:54on a fluffy pillow waiting for people to
10:57take care of me.
10:59Does that Does anyone in prison do that?
11:01Who's sitting around on a fluffy pillow
11:03in prison?
11:07My roommates fixed my hair today,
11:10not because I'm that important Oh, I
11:12love this line. Okay, the roommates
11:13fixed your hair. Why?
11:15but because they feel like they're
11:17paroling, too.
11:19Did you catch that?
11:21They're paroling, too. They feel like
11:23they're paroling, too.
11:24She was also meaning Diane is getting
11:26paroled today. Yep. So, they're all back
11:29there like,
11:33"Finally, Diane, you're getting out."
11:35She represents all of us.
11:38What kind of delusion do you have to
11:40have to think you're getting out?
11:44Oh, shoot.
11:48Hit the bank. liberating. So, in this
11:51last weekend, well, he They want to know
11:52if you're reaching for something to talk
11:54to others center of attention, but
11:56because the evaluation, there's sort of
11:58a consistent theme around narcissism in
12:02the evaluation. And sort of a
12:04>> Who's a narcissist? Not Diane. No. You
12:08know, feeling of being self-centered
12:10or self-important. How So, sorry. I know
12:13this is repeated, but How do you respond
12:15to that? And do you do you feel like you
12:19recognize some narcissistic traits in
12:21yourself?
12:23Two things to be said for that. One,
12:26this parole board hearing is about me.
12:29So, we're talking about me. That isn't
12:31me being self-centered. That's me trying
12:33to answer questions from my point of
12:35view so that you'll understand what's
12:36happening to me. Same with the psych
12:39evaluation. It wasn't It was all about
12:41me, but not from my point of view. I am
12:44complying with your requests
12:47to tell you about me.
12:49Second of all, in here, I do charity
12:52work. I do things for other people. I
12:55don't sit around
12:57on a fluffy pillow waiting for people to
13:00take care of me. Yep.
13:02>> fixed my hair today,
13:04not because I'm that important, but
13:06because they feel like they're paroling,
13:08too.
13:09This So,
13:11they're excited. They're anxious.
13:13They're They're sitting back there
13:15waiting. Not because I'm the center of
13:17attention, but because we as a group as
13:20a whole, we are a community. We're a
13:22unit. And so, we share in each other's
13:25joys and each other's failures. So,
13:28narcissism is all about
13:30It's all about me.
13:32If I was narcissistic, I wouldn't be
13:34wearing a mask because it ruins my
13:37lipstick. I don't wear lipstick back
13:39Duh.
13:43This is such a stupid answer.
13:46So, she's got lipstick underneath her
13:48mask? Is that what she's saying?
13:49>> Yes, that's exactly what she's saying.
13:52Freaking idiot.
13:54>> I don't wear makeup back in the unit. I
13:56throw my hair up in a nice loose bun,
13:57and I have Why would you? Is makeup in a
13:59pri- in prison a thing?
14:01I mean, I I would imagine you wouldn't
14:03waste money on it. If you're someone's
14:06girlfriend I guess so.
14:11I don't know.
14:12>> But But Diane is not anyone's
14:13girlfriend. I I could say that with
14:15certainty.
14:17Yeah, she said me 50 times in the answer
14:19saying she's not a narcissist.
14:23I don't open up every door. I'm not
14:25worried about trying to attract
14:27attention or or
14:30shine the spotlight on me. I don't. I'm
14:34in the garden
14:35Well, you can't tie your damn shoes.
14:38For 2 months. For 2 months, and you
14:41know,
14:42Christie was lucky, but now you're in
14:44prison.
14:45>> lucky. They were lucky to get shot.
14:48Yeah.
14:49working covered in dirt behind a a
14:52juniper, and people don't even know that
14:55I'm there until they go, "Oh, hi, Diane.
14:57I didn't KNOW OH MY GOD. WHAT?
15:00YOU FREAKING IDIOT.
15:01>> CRICKETS. IT'S DIANE.
15:03back there. Well, they don't say hi,
15:05Diane. But anyway,
15:07yeah, I Can I curse?
15:09I don't Where is Suma? draw attention to
15:12myself.
15:12>> Suma said
15:13>> I don't
15:14>> here. Let's finish your cigarette.
15:16>> She made it sound like she did it 5
15:17minutes.
15:20Finish my cigarette. Give me chewing. I
15:23it I don't know why she writes that. I
15:26Uh she needs to get here cuz I want to
15:28unveil what I prepared. I really don't
15:31know why.
15:36Thank you. Those were my only questions
15:38about the evaluation.
15:40Mr. Taylor, do you have any questions?
15:44I do. Um Ms. Downs, I wanted to follow
15:47up on that same subject matter.
15:51You know, on page 15 of the
15:53psychological evaluation,
15:56you told the doctor that you might be
15:57open to mental health counseling in the
15:59future.
16:01And you um
16:03further told her that you were reluctant
16:05to talk to others about their problems,
16:08being other inmates.
16:12And the reason for that was because,
16:15this is according to
16:17your conversation with her,
16:19you said because you have your own
16:21things to fix.
16:23I have so much chaos and brokenness.
16:27Can you um expound upon that in terms of
16:31the details of what chaos and brokenness
16:35you see in yourself?
16:38All right. So,
16:41this is one of those good answers. I
16:42think this is going to be 5 minutes of
16:44an answer. So, the question very clearly
16:46is, what were you You said you couldn't
16:48talk to others because of you have your
16:49own chaos and problems. What are those
16:52chaos and problems, right? Just laying
16:54out the What are the chaos and problems
16:56you were talking about that you
16:57mentioned?
17:01I sort of touched on that a little bit
17:03earlier. I've been in prison 37 years.
17:06It's It's like if you moved to France.
17:09They have a whole different way of doing
17:11things. They don't wear your hair
17:13There's all kinds of things. You would
17:14eventually either grow accustomed to
17:16their ways or
17:18uh
17:20adopt some of their ways in order to get
17:23along.
17:25There's a lot of things about prison in
17:2637 years that I've adopted. I still
17:30don't brew hooch. I still don't use
17:32drugs. I still don't use uh uh legal
17:35drugs so that I can get high. I don't
17:37even use an inhaler for the for the
17:41albuterol, which is what the girls use
17:43so they can get high.
17:44Hold on. What? Pause a second there.
17:46>> Mhm. Good. I I have albuterol on me
17:49right now. I I I have pretty severe
17:51asthma.
17:52Right. That's what I think That's
17:53asthma. That stuff, right?
17:55>> I've never gotten high off of albuterol.
17:58Well, how much Did you take enough?
18:01Well, albuterol is like taking straight
18:03adrenaline. Like it it
18:05>> I thought it was steroids. Isn't it
18:06steroids? Isn't that what
18:09I don't know if it's a steroid. I mean,
18:11I ain't no doctor, but
18:13it like forces your your lungs and
18:16everything to just open up so you could
18:18breathe. I don't know any It's not
18:22Maybe if you Maybe it would have like a
18:25meth-like
18:27feel if you do it enough cuz it does get
18:30you like amped up.
18:32But I would never imagine to take
18:34albuterol to get high.
18:36It Oh, okay. Some people are saying it
18:38can get you high in long high doses.
18:42I've I've been on albuterol since I
18:47decades. I've never gotten high off of
18:50albuterol.
18:53All right.
19:00And just for the record, I'm high right
19:02now. I'm high right now.
19:05And I'm not
19:07Albuterol didn't do it.
19:10I don't do any of those things, but
19:12there are Well, you're not supposed to
19:14do any of those things, Diane. So,
19:16where is the chaos and brokenness that
19:18you were talking about? Cuz so far,
19:20you're describing all the ways you're
19:21not broken.
19:22>> other things that I do. It's not her
19:24fault. She's perfect. Yeah.
19:27Listen what she described. This
19:31I keep my hands visible at all times.
19:35This just sounds crazy. Just imagine
19:37somebody doing this.
19:39Walking in prison.
19:42Uh hands are visible. Hands are visible.
19:44Like, you kind of look like a clown
19:46doing that in prison.
19:49Like, and people like, "What are you
19:50doing, Diane?" Right? Even the guards
19:52are probably like, "Diane, you can stop
19:54it. We know you're not carrying
19:56anything."
19:57Just walking around like an idiot. She's
20:00got her crochet hook. Yeah.
20:02>> The person when your hands are down,
20:04the staff want to know what you're
20:05doing. And so, it makes them edgy. It
20:07makes them
20:07>> So, everyone's walking around with their
20:09arms in the air?
20:11I doubt it, Diane.
20:13>> nervous. They want to know if you're
20:14reaching for something, if you're reach
20:16reaching for a weapon. So, my hands are
20:18always visible.
20:20That's not a bad thing, but it's a
20:21conditioning. It's a conditioning that
20:24might make other people think, "Why are
20:27you always got your hands in the air?"
20:29And why are you always got your hands in
20:30the air when you're breaking all these
20:31other rules?
20:33You know what I mean?
20:33>> Like escaping prison. Escaping prison,
20:36contraband.
20:40All this other stuff, and she's talking
20:41about how she's such a stickler for the
20:43rules. And again, how is this chaos and
20:45brokenness?
20:46Are you Super Kelly G, the question was
20:50She said she doesn't talk to the other
20:51girls about her problems because she has
20:54her own chaos and brokenness, and the
20:56guy said And her son
20:57>> What do you mean? What does this say
20:59What is the chaos and brokenness? Trying
21:01to draw attention to yourself? No, I'm
21:03trying to make my my officer here not
21:05think I'm reaching for a shank.
21:07So,
21:09that's brokenness to me.
21:12No.
21:13>> talking about
21:14That's not brokenness at all. That's
21:15following the rules.
21:18about my children. I'm not allowed to
21:20talk about my children.
21:22They'll kill you?
21:24When my parents comes, it's only time
21:26that my that we're able to ever talk
21:28about Christie, Danny, and Cheryl.
21:31And
21:34we only talk about the happy memories.
21:36We only talk about the good things
21:37because they don't want to make me cry,
21:39and I don't want to make them cry. And
21:41so,
21:43that's something that's a brokenness.
21:46What's that?
21:49Most people can say, "Hey, you know what
21:51my son was doing this last weekend while
21:52he was out playing softball." And I'll
21:54tell you what, he caught that that that
21:56big that ball at their face.
21:58You know why they can say that, Diane? X
22:00Turk, you know why they can say that?
22:02Because they're not in prison. Oh,
22:04because their kids actually like them
22:06and they're not in a wheelchair because
22:07they got their legs cut
22:08>> to murder their kids. They didn't
22:09attempt to murder their kids, yep.
22:11I can't do that.
22:13My son I from what I understand, my son
22:15is is was on the swimming team when he
22:17was in college.
22:19I can't tell people that.
22:21What's he really on the swim team?
22:23I don't know, but imagine the last time
22:25you saw your kid when he was like three
22:26and now you're talking about what he did
22:27in college. Like, you've missed out.
22:29Like,
22:30that's everything, Diane.
22:33You have
22:34What the hell you You don't have a right
22:36to talk about that. It's retribution
22:38constantly. So, there are things that I
22:43You don't have the right to talk about
22:44it cuz you were in no way involved in
22:46it.
22:47Right? It's not like you encouraged him
22:48to do swimming. It's not like you took
22:49him to practices.
22:51Right?
22:52So, it doesn't really matter what he's
22:54doing. It has no reflection on you, and
22:57you tried to kill him.
22:59But it'd be pretty
23:01I'm sure it's something like, you know,
23:02paraplegic kind of thing swimming,
23:04right? But Yeah, it must be.
23:08It'd be one thing you could do, right? I
23:09imagine like
23:11versus running.
23:13You were talking earlier about I think
23:15also before I ask, before I say
23:17anything, before I do anything, I always
23:19think first. What about this entire
23:22parole hearing? You haven't done much of
23:24that. And
23:27I want to think,
23:29but I don't want to have to think about
23:31everything. I want to be able to say,
23:33"Hey,
23:34here's an example."
23:36Yeah, give us an example. Yeah, this
23:37should be good.
23:39I had a dream the other day that I was
23:41at Mom's house, and I said, "Mom, what
23:44color do you want to paint the dining
23:45room?"
23:47And Christie came out of the kitchen.
23:50Oh my god, I hate when she talks about
23:51these dreams as if they have any kind of
23:53meaning
23:54or
23:55at all reflect on who she is. And she
23:57was carrying a toaster, and she goes, "I
23:59like mauve." And I glanced over at her,
24:02and I said, "Mom,
24:03There she is.
24:05Hello. Hi.
24:06>> you there. I didn't hear the I didn't
24:07hear the little beep. That's okay. Was
24:09it my the picture of Lauren? Was that
24:12what brought you here? I sent the
24:14picture of Lauren in the chat.
24:15>> Oh, no, I didn't see it. I didn't get a
24:16chance cuz I was running around like a
24:18crazy person.
24:21Oh, man, why didn't that work?
24:23But now I'm going Oh, [ __ ]
24:25I was just about to tell them in the
24:27chat that Hear Me Out won't let me in
24:28because he's
24:30intimidated by my sexiness.
24:31>> No, why did this not work? Oh, another
24:33big guy.
24:35Yeah, another big guy. It's the wrong
24:36format. Okay, I got to work on my jokes
24:38here still. Catching is always Thank
24:40you. You're welcome.
24:42Mom's nice, and I didn't like, "Oh my
24:45gosh, it's Christie."
24:47It's like she had been there. I was
24:50comfortable.
24:51I told my mom that on the phone, and it
24:53was so
24:55liberating just to be able to say
24:57something normal. I had a dream about my
24:59daughter, and it was awesome, and she
25:01was going to help us paint the dining
25:02room, Mom.
25:04I didn't tell anybody that in prison.
25:07And if I hadn't been able to call my mom
25:09on the phone, I wouldn't have been able
25:10to tell my mom that. I would have That
25:12is something I would have had to just
25:13kept inside, and it never would have
25:15gone anywhere.
25:18And it eventually would have just gone
25:19away. Now that Is it possible cuz it's
25:22totally meaningless? Is that why
25:25you know, "Mom, you got to No, this
25:27dream I had about Christie."
25:30What's wrong with this person?
25:34I don't know. I've told it.
25:36It's like
25:37always mine forever because I was able
25:39to share
25:41and I've shared it with you.
25:43So,
25:44there are things
25:47That's a brokenness.
25:49Again, that's not brokenness.
25:52It's just really be like having no
25:56understanding of what like real emotion
25:58or what your real feeling should be.
26:00Polynomial purebred 499 watery aerobics
26:02encouraged for amputees and arthritics
26:05because you
26:07uh use it provides just
26:09>> it Yeah. Oh, because it provides its own
26:12buoyancy.
26:15But 100% not possibly depending on exact
26:18diagnosis.
26:18>> diagnosis. Yep. Oh, thank you very much
26:21for the $5.
26:23Let's do
26:26No, booster.
26:31When I'm When I'm at home, am I going to
26:33be able to at the church You're not
26:35going home, Diane. this comes.
26:37You know what I say to my kids? You know
26:39what I say?
26:40No.
26:43You don't, though.
26:45You don't have It's not It's not
26:47You're not saying it because you're
26:48being forced into You don't have kids.
26:50They don't live with you.
26:52You tried to kill them. They were taken
26:54away.
26:55So, even if you were outside of prison,
26:57they still wouldn't be your kids.
27:00A monster. Monster.
27:05Because if if I say yes,
27:07people say,
27:09"Well,
27:09how are they doing? Where are they?" And
27:11I I doubt if anyone in America would
27:13ever ask Diane Downs of all people,
27:16"Hey, do you have kids?"
27:20Maybe second only
27:21you know,
27:22Susan Smith is right behind.
27:24"Hey, Susan, you got any kids?"
27:28What is this
27:30joke of an answer?
27:36I don't know.
27:38That's a brokenness.
27:40Those are things that I know I need
27:42counseling for. I need to be able to go
27:45into the church and say, "Yes, I had
27:48children. No, I don't have children.
27:52They have another mother and another
27:53father, and they're happy where they
27:55are, and they're good."
27:59It's It's It Even when trying to talk
28:02about It's all about her. It's all me me
28:05me me me me so much. I have to be able
28:07to go into the church and say, "I Yes, I
28:09had children." No, you don't. Well, you
28:11need to be able to shut the [ __ ] up and
28:13stay in prison where you belong forever.
28:15Bye-bye. Yep. Nobody cares, Diane.
28:18Nobody. Literally, nobody's going to ask
28:20you that. Cuz you're never getting out
28:22as well, but
28:25just
28:28And I can't do that.
28:30I certainly can't do that in here.
28:33What? Sorry. Laura, I'm just responding
28:35to Laura who said, "I'm confused why
28:36can't Diane say her children's names?"
28:38Cuz she'll probably get shanked
28:40for saying her kids' names. According to
28:42her.
28:44Well, she doesn't exactly say that, but
28:46that is the reason. That's what she's
28:48implying, but is that the reason,
28:49really?
28:51Um Because I personally think that she's
28:54probably saying those kids' names all
28:55the time all over the place, and people
28:56are like, Yeah. Yeah, I I
28:59I think I would agree with you on that.
29:01You know.
29:01>> I want to start feeling your boobs.
29:03What? X Turk.
29:06That's totally inappropriate. Should I
29:08step out?
29:10Jeez, what was that?
29:12And I don't see myself doing that.
29:13>> Is this what you were planning this
29:15whole time? It took you this long? Well,
29:18I I've been in the wrong format. Don't
29:19worry, there's more coming.
29:22I don't even know what you're talking
29:23about, but You didn't hear that?
29:25Oh, I heard it, but I didn't know I
29:27don't know. the Lauren calls. He chopped
29:29me up. Oh. I want to start feeling your
29:31boobs.
29:34>> there.
29:35Just
29:36the day I get out, I don't see that
29:38happening.
29:39So, yeah, I need counseling.
29:42I know I need counseling.
29:45Not because you guys say I have to, not
29:47because Dr. Biden says I should, but
29:49because I know
29:50I know I need it.
29:55Who gives a [ __ ] Diane? No one cares
29:58what you do.
29:58>> I want to ask a
30:01That has nothing to do with broken I
30:03mean I don't know.
30:08question about the mental health
30:11since we
30:13are on that subject as well. In the
30:15original PSI, you know, after your
30:18arrest for the instant crime
30:22it stated that you saw a doctor and you
30:23were diagnosed with
30:25cyclothymic disorder.
30:28Which is So I looked this up,
30:30cyclothymic.
30:32It's not psychothymic.
30:34But yeah, it's basically adjacent.
30:36If it goes untreated, it will turn into
30:39bipolar, but it's basically it sounds
30:40like bipolar light.
30:43Um
30:44which, you know,
30:46Bipolar 1 is when you have
30:50depression and one episode of mania.
30:52Bipolar 2 I could be getting it mixed
30:55up.
30:55>> Well, no, this is so this is before
30:56bipolar 1 and 2.
30:58So cyclothymic is when you don't have
31:02depression and you haven't
31:05You like doing manias type stuff or
31:07what?
31:07>> And you haven't had mania. It's sort of
31:08like you're on the edge of both.
31:11Got you. It's a
31:13disorder that's similar to bipolar
31:16disorder, but not as severe.
31:20And that she went to counseling for 6
31:22months
31:23for that disorder.
31:26Do you recall those counseling sessions?
31:29That was Dr. Jameson, yes.
31:32And I The only reason I stopped is
31:34because I was arrested.
31:37I went until I was arrested.
31:40Were they helpful while you were going?
31:43Yes.
31:44Absolutely they were. Um
31:47The reason that she labeled me that is
31:50because
31:51it was right after Cheryl was gone,
31:54right after Christie and Danny were gone
31:56and
32:00I was
32:02not good.
32:03Oh, jeez. I was having a real downer.
32:07Pink tied my damn shoes. Pink tied my
32:10damn shoes.
32:14I don't know.
32:15I was cheer and I was there and I was
32:19everywhere in between. I I couldn't I I
32:23was not functioning at well at all. I
32:25was happy, I would laugh hysterically
32:28and then I would cry for no reason. And
32:30yeah, I would I would laugh until I
32:33cried. And if you asked me why I
32:35couldn't have told you why. It's weird
32:37that we only ever saw the laughing.
32:39Yes.
32:40>> Right, Diane. It's nothing, it's
32:43everything. It's it's And so being able
32:46to talk to her, she goes, "Well, what
32:47does nothing mean? What does everything
32:49mean?" And so I was finally able She
32:52says, "Stop. Just stop. Pause.
32:57Think, what's the first thing that comes
32:59to your mind and then go from there."
33:01And so get
33:03Do you wonder if it really was like that
33:04or she's saying like, "No, I want you to
33:06stop now." versus like, "Stop! Shut up!
33:10Think!
33:11What are you saying? You're just going
33:13on and on. You're talking about
33:16your ex-husband who's a bastard
33:18and you're talking about the
33:19bushy-haired man.
33:23Like I don't know. It she's saying it
33:25like in a way of like when she later
33:27goes, "Yes, they believe me. They knew I
33:29was finally telling the truth." Like a
33:30very understanding way. I can't believe
33:32anyone would talk to her like that.
33:34It did help. It did help.
33:37Yeah, that she was probably the first
33:39one that that taught me about just stop.
33:43Because it when you're when you're
33:44you're rolling, just stop. Wait, what
33:48she What is she saying?
33:49What? Is she saying she's got bipolar
33:52now? Is that what it is? No, what she
33:54I don't know if she's said it yet, but
33:56what she's going to say is that it was
33:58just because of the situation because
34:02she knows like they won't let her out if
34:03she actually has like some kind of
34:05mental disease and she's saying
34:07and they're saying, "Well, you know,
34:08without treatment they're saying it
34:09turns into bipolar." And like, "No, no,
34:12it was just cuz of the situation. It
34:13wasn't cuz I was actually like that."
34:16Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
34:19I kind of asked that question because,
34:21you know, professionals according to,
34:24you know, what's in the documentation
34:27says that this disorder
34:31it really doesn't get better with time.
34:34And that continuous counseling
34:38is necessary and that
34:41untreated
34:43it could develop into bipolar 1 or
34:45bipolar 2.
34:48So have you have you ever felt like
34:51you've
34:53had issues
34:55with that diagnosis that was given to
34:59you
35:0037 years ago
35:02up to today?
35:05I would say no and I would ask you I
35:08would encourage you to talk to Dr.
35:09Jameson. I She told me that the reason
35:13that she considered that is because it
35:16was a situational. It was because of a
35:18trauma, because of
35:20the death and the children being taken,
35:23Christie and Danny being taken and still
35:26trying to function in the real world
35:28delivering mail and the police showing
35:31up at the at the post office and pulling
35:33me off my route to ask me questions and
35:35then coming home and and it was
35:39basically just trying to do
35:42to fit everybody else's mold. And for
35:46real
35:47getting arrested stopped all that. No.
35:51>> It just
35:52stopped. The police So getting arrested
35:54actually helped her.
35:56You know.
35:58They weren't there. The job wasn't
36:00there.
36:02I had my focus, one focus, which was the
36:06trial and
36:09I haven't had the mood swings.
36:13I don't laugh hysterically until I cry.
36:15I never have since.
36:17Um
36:19so
36:22I imagine that's something that I would
36:23bring up with with
36:25counseling.
36:27I would ask her to communicate with Dr.
36:30Jameson and find out from Dr. Jameson,
36:32get her files
36:33and find out exactly what that meant and
36:36why
36:37and maybe that is Sounds like she gave
36:39you the diagnosis.
36:41You're saying it's temporary, but we
36:43have no evidence of that. Again, I I
36:45think whenever she says, "Oh, it's in
36:47there."
36:4990% of the time we've got to believe
36:51that it's, you know,
36:53something she's just making up and then
36:55she's going to say, "Oh, the document
36:56was lost." Right? I'll stick my finger
36:59in you. Hey!
37:02So I was GOING TO SAY THIS earlier when
37:04you did that, X Derek was like, "He
37:06chopped me up." And I put into the chat,
37:08"X Derek, don't worry, we'll chop him up
37:10later." But they didn't let it go
37:11through because of my
37:14Because of what? My suggesting such evil
37:17deeds, I guess. I'm going to suck on
37:19your nipples. X Derek, stop it!
37:22something maybe
37:24Still better than your drumming.
37:30Uh take off my clothes. Everyone is so
37:33relieved. They're like, "Oh, thank god."
37:34>> Maybe that's something that that still
37:36needs to be addressed. I don't know the
37:38answer to that.
37:42I want you I Swoop is falling apart.
37:44>> of talked about the
37:47I guess some of your mental
37:50thoughts that you have around death.
37:54And this is This test in the
37:56psychological evaluation
37:58you So this is where she
38:01I mean just listen to this question. had
38:03mentioned that
38:05during your lifetime you've had,
38:08let's say, pets die.
38:11You've had relatives die.
38:14You know, you've had other tragedies in
38:16your life. It seemed from reading the
38:19evaluation that
38:22you believed that
38:25there was always someone responsible for
38:28the death
38:30of anything that occurred in your life
38:32and it almost seemed like a
38:34conspiracy theory that
38:37you felt like the person responsible for
38:40killing your pets
38:42when you were growing up, the person
38:44that killed your dad's parents when they
38:46were in a car wreck
38:48the person that killed your uncle
38:51you know, by shooting him in the head
38:54could be the same person
38:56that tried to kill your kids.
38:59Is that a thought process that you
39:01believe is feasible?
39:04All right. So if you couldn't follow
39:06that there, she said in the PSI
39:09basically she has come to believe that
39:11all the death of her pets, her parents'
39:14death, her uncle being her parents'
39:16death in a car wreck, her uncle being
39:18shot and then her kids being shot in
39:201983 are all part of a conspiracy
39:23involving possibly the same person. Yes.
39:26>> And they're asking her, "Does that seem
39:28reasonable Absolutely.
39:30Absolutely.
39:32Right. I'm going to suck on your
39:34nipples.
39:35>> That is not the That is not appropriate,
39:37X Derek. What?
39:39It's my thought. What do you want me to
39:41say?
39:44I REMEMBER WHEN I TOLD YOU RIGHT AS SOON
39:45AS YOU you just laid it out. I was like,
39:47"Oh, thank you for saying that in your
39:48normal voice, Forest." Like
39:51Oh, you're muted, Suma. You're muted.
39:55Yeah, you're like, "I'm glad I got that
39:56in your Yeah. And I just But I just
39:59never went through converting it to the
40:00audio and I finally found a little time
40:02to get it here today. Yeah, finally did
40:04it today. It's going to It's going to be
40:06It's going to be entertainment for
40:08years.
40:11Um
40:14It is.
40:15And I know it's probably not what you
40:17want to hear.
40:19No, it's not what anyone would want to
40:20hear, Diane, cuz you sound crazy saying
40:22that and then saying, "Yes, I do believe
40:24that."
40:24>> I didn't always feel that way. When I
40:26was a kid, I didn't
40:29have that thought. Not until after
40:32Cheryl died.
40:36So, after the murder you committed, then
40:38you started stringing all the other
40:40non-related acts into
40:43this grand conspiracy. Cheryl was
40:44killed.
40:46Not until after that. And then I started
40:50I don't know if she says it here, but
40:52she said earlier like I think it was
40:53earlier she said
40:55the death.
40:56Which she would refer to it Like you
40:57mean the murder, not the death.
41:00She wasn't killed, she was murdered.
41:02Killed is like, "Oh, got in a car
41:04accident, I was killed." You murdered
41:07her. Well, only the person who murdered
41:09her their children would want to under
41:12play it like
41:12>> Downplay it like, you know, when when
41:14they died, the death.
41:15>> When they passed. When they passed.
41:18started wondering. And even then, I
41:20didn't associate my grandparents' death
41:22and Uncle David's death
41:24with Cheryl's death
41:26until it was actually years later.
41:28>> no association.
41:30You lunatic. Yeah.
41:34I won't hit the button. It's a great
41:35picture of her. I love that picture.
41:38People started sending me all She looks
41:41like a boy even then. She looks like a
41:42boy wearing a wig.
41:44She looks like
41:46boy I went to high school with. She
41:47looks like Timothy McVeigh with a wig
41:49on. Yeah. How was she getting so much
41:52dick? How was she getting so much
41:54>> I don't know. Well, first of all, when
41:56you're 15, I would imagine doesn't
41:58really take much cuz Yeah. Yeah, it
42:00doesn't. And I don't think it
42:02it might not take that much at all. I
42:04don't know.
42:05I wouldn't know because
42:07you know.
42:10all these letters saying, "Oh, I know
42:13this and I know that and and what about
42:15this and what about that?"
42:17And I It's just so
42:19so transparent when she says, uh By the
42:22way, Scripsi, I did get your email. I
42:24didn't have a chance to look at it yet
42:25though because it's going to be long
42:26enough with the parts two and three. But
42:28she sued the parole board after this.
42:30So, we should look at that document next
42:31time when we listen to more recordings.
42:33>> I didn't know that.
42:34>> I didn't either.
42:36Yeah, she sued them in 2023 according to
42:38Scripsi. But thank you for that and we
42:39will cover it, Scripsi.
42:41Um
42:42the way she, you know, again, what she's
42:44always laying out these specific
42:47accusations of like, "This is the person
42:50that shot my daughter or you know, and
42:52he was stalking me all this." And then
42:54whenever she gets into
42:55letters, she goes, "And they were saying
42:57this and then they were saying that. And
42:58then they were saying this and then they
42:59were saying that." Like it it doesn't
43:01work, Diane, cuz your your lies always
43:03have so many specifics, crazy specifics.
43:06But now you're just going into
43:07generalizations of these letters.
43:10Um and then somehow the letters are
43:13making
43:14you're crazy or you're not crazy because
43:17somebody lit wrote you that letter
43:20and you believed it.
43:21I mean, at at best, you're an idiot.
43:24And then I started thinking
43:26again, I'm not that important.
43:29Kathleen, she said uh that the 2010
43:32transcript that they referenced was was
43:35altered. She um
43:38She says that in the 2025 hearing that
43:40the 2010 hearing was altered. Was that
43:43the one that got her framed? Was that
43:45the one she claimed the police were
43:47there and they were involved and
43:49>> this one earlier
43:51yesterday in the in the call. But she's
43:52going to also say that, you know,
43:54they're saying, "Oh, we believed you."
43:56Um but it's not in the transcript. Why
43:59Why are people from Ohio and Florida and
44:03Washington state and Arizona, why are
44:06they all writing to me and saying these
44:07same things?
44:09These people don't as far as I know,
44:10they don't even know each other. They're
44:12all writing and saying these same same
44:15things about my children, about my
44:18grandparents, about my Uncle David.
44:21As if somebody wants me to believe that.
44:24Okay.
44:25Okay. That doesn't make it true.
44:29And standard cop-out. I'm not saying I
44:31believe it, but they're saying it to me.
44:33And why that Isn't it interesting that
44:35they want me to believe that even though
44:37I don't? So, there's something there.
44:39Then makes one person want somebody in
44:42Florida, Ohio, Arizona, Washington to
44:45all write to me from different parts of
44:46the country and say the same thing to
44:49make me believe that. Just to make me
44:50look crazy? You don't have to. No, you
44:53don't have to let me go if they don't
44:54want to let me go. You don't have to
44:55make me look crazy to keep me here. So,
44:58why is one person doing all this unless
45:00this person has a motive? And is the
45:03motive
45:04to keep me in prison? Well, then what
45:06was the motive to put me in prison?
45:09Oh my god.
45:15Motive to keep you in prison, but then
45:17what was the motive to put me in prison,
45:19maybe?
45:21She's all She's so close to uncovering
45:23it all,
45:24right? You and then I'll stick my penis
45:26IN YOU. HEY, EX-DEREK.
45:30THAT'S WHAT SHE PROBABLY SAID TO THE
45:32parole board. That's
45:34That's right.
45:37And so, by extrapolation, that's why I
45:39wrote to the FBI.
45:42They can find out if they care. And if
45:45they don't care,
45:46what have I lost?
45:48Well, you've lost any hope of getting
45:50out. Your freedom.
45:52Your
45:53credibility.
45:54>> Plausibility, yeah. Credibility. If you
45:57were If you were actually innocent, you
45:59know, if you were actually innocent,
46:00this is the last str-
46:02strategy you'd want to follow as well
46:04cuz you sound like an idiot. Or worth
46:06listening to at all.
46:08We just got rid her off.
46:12What have I lost? I've been in prison 37
46:14years without being dangerous.
46:18Uh I'm not dangerous according
46:21I don't know about that. And also, if
46:22you weren't dangerous, why did you get
46:23shot and and stabbed according to you?
46:26Yeah, she shot twice. Yeah.
46:28>> Shot twice. And she escaped from prison,
46:30which is not not dangerous. That's true.
46:34Yeah, I love how she makes these
46:36arguments that it's going to come up
46:37more and more about how how she hasn't
46:40harmed anyone when she's in prison.
46:41Okay, well, then that's probably where
46:42we should leave you because when you
46:44were outside of prison, you killed your
46:45kids.
46:47Right. I'm sure your cellmate who you
46:48had to escape just to go [ __ ] her
46:49husband doesn't think you're so not
46:50dangerous.
46:53That would probably That was probably a
46:55real awkward
46:57meal time. The next Yeah, when she got
46:59home, the next lunch be like Hey, funny
47:01story, you're going to laugh.
47:03So, I got there and then, you know, And
47:06believe this. First of all, he's a
47:07rapist.
47:09First of all, I only slept with him like
47:1220 times, okay?
47:14He wants to know Hold on. Who Who are we
47:16talking about here?
47:17When she escaped, she went to the
47:20>> She went across the street, didn't she?
47:22Yeah, to a cellmate's husband's house,
47:23six blocks down the road. It was a
47:25celly's husband? Yeah. Where else would
47:28she
47:28>> That's how it was set up. She goes, "My
47:29husband lives here." And that's where
47:31she's at right where she went. And Dan
47:34was like,
47:35"Got it."
47:36Got it. She just cannot help herself.
47:39No, that's right. She's not dangerous,
47:41are you saying? But hey, it's not her
47:43because look, they had been divor- They
47:45They hadn't seen each other for years.
47:47He was, you know, going to divorce her,
47:49right? You know, they
47:51He was She was no longer He was no
47:54longer able to be
47:55or she was no longer able to be a woman
47:57to him.
47:58And Diane filled that need.
48:00to the
48:01psych report, I'm low risk for danger,
48:05for violence, for anger, for aggression.
48:08Also, it's not your business to tell
48:09them that. That's not your job. That's
48:11their job.
48:16By asking the FBI for help,
48:19look, this is how I see it.
48:22Let's say you guys decide to let me go
48:23home today.
48:24They won't. Yeah, let's Okay.
48:27All right. Thought Thought exercise,
48:29parole board. Let's just say you were
48:31going to let me go home. All right,
48:32Diane.
48:34I'm going out there to somebody.
48:37Remember, this is The question is, don't
48:39you think it's crazy to think one
48:40person's behind all of these deaths in
48:42your family? Give me a not crazy answer,
48:44Diane. Who is sending me these crazy
48:47letters?
48:49I'm no longer your your control. I'm not
48:51living in your custody anymore. I'm not
48:52living inside an electric fence anymore.
48:55I'm out there where crazy people
48:57can now put letters in my mom's mailbox.
49:01I'm now living out there where when I go
49:03to get gas at the gas station, somebody
49:05can slide up next to me and say, "Hey,
49:07did you know?"
49:10Hey, did you know?
49:12This is a terrible argument to
49:13introduce, Diane. This is all reasons to
49:15keep you in prison.
49:18I want to know who this person is
49:21for my mom's safety, for my kids'
49:23safety, for my brother's safety, for my
49:25nieces' safety.
49:28Right now, whoever's doing this is
49:30having a a blast making me look like the
49:32crazy person.
49:34Oh, that's just like Jodi, too, right?
49:36Whoever did this is out there sitting
49:38pretty.
49:39Right? Having a laugh with with you guys
49:41focusing on me. It's always word for
49:43word.
49:45Whoever did this is having a blast.
49:47Sitting pretty.
49:48>> Maybe that's his only goal. That's his
49:49style.
49:51Yeah, oh yeah, her as well.
49:52>> crazy. Well, kudos to him.
49:55But what if it's not?
49:57What if this goes all the way back to
49:591983?
50:01Oh my god.
50:06I want to start feeling your boobs.
50:08>> X Derek, can you just stop and say on
50:11I'll stop doing it. It's Tourette's.
50:14Sexy Tourette's.
50:18Kiss your finger.
50:20Kiss your finger.
50:21>> goes all the way back to 1971.
50:25What happened in 1971? Is that when
50:26maybe her
50:28uncle died or something? I don't get it.
50:33So I asked
50:34>> From the evaluation the evaluation by
50:36Dr.
50:37Schulte, you know, did describe you
50:41as someone with
50:43high intellectual
50:46you know, superiority. I think he said
50:49that
50:50she has the higher or higher
50:52intellectual capacity than 99%
50:55of similar aged individuals.
50:58And so with that intelligence
51:02you can probably discern between people
51:05that are making up stories to get to
51:07you.
51:08>> Yes.
51:09Yeah, at first it sounded like he was
51:10building her up and then he's just I
51:12mean like you should understand this
51:13[ __ ] You're not that stupid. And
51:15that's money for themselves versus
51:17what's reality.
51:19Yes.
51:20>> And that's kind of the that's kind of
51:22the dilemma.
51:24Let me ask you another question on
51:26this is from the evaluation.
51:32You
51:33in the 1987 PSI you were described
51:36or I should say you described your plans
51:40to marry Donald Le Souer if I'm
51:43pronouncing These names.
51:46I'm saying that correctly.
51:47That means the sister in front
51:49>> Apparently this is a real person, but
51:51just like she's what?
51:53Just sounds like a bad romance novel. I
51:56don't know. You Donald Le Souer was
51:57going to
51:58>> Donald Le Souer.
52:00Okay, now what do we think this answer
52:01is going to involve? It's involved with
52:03the man of proposing marriage. What do
52:05we all know it's going to involve?
52:08Getting pregnant. No. Oh, I didn't
52:10What's the question? Sorry.
52:12So they're going to question her about
52:14marriage with a man. So it's going to
52:16involve one of two things at least.
52:19It's going to involve movie contracts.
52:21Right, the Motown films. And yeah, and
52:24Motown films.
52:26And a proposal obviously cuz that's
52:28implied in there.
52:29>> Right. resided in Texas.
52:33And
52:35Mr. Le Souer was previously married to
52:40Susan Atkins who was
52:43convicted in the Charles Manson family
52:45killing of Sharon Tate
52:48in 1981.
52:51My question to you is on
52:54someone with
52:55the high intelligence that you have
53:00why would you want to marry someone who
53:02was convicted of conspiring with Charles
53:06Manson to murder many people?
53:11Why would you want to be married to
53:12someone like that?
53:14I would not want to be married and I'm
53:16not married to him.
53:19The mail room gets all my mail.
53:23I don't know where do I She starts from
53:25all the way over there when she could
53:27stay right here. And was this guy
53:28involved with Charles Manson?
53:30No, it's I listened to it twice. He His
53:33question His question is worded poorly.
53:35I think what he meant to say was why
53:37would you want to marry somebody who was
53:39involved with somebody who conspired
53:41with Charlie Manson because he was
53:43involved with Susan Atkins who was
53:45involved with Charlie Manson.
53:46>> Oh, okay.
53:47>> he he missed he skipped one relational
53:49definition in there.
53:50>> was involved like like a few degrees of
53:53separation with Charles Manson.
53:54>> Right. Yeah.
53:56He He was married to Susan Atkins who
53:59was one of the Charles Manson family
54:00killers. Was she locked up also?
54:04Susan Atkins?
54:05>> Yeah. Yeah. She wants them right. He
54:07likes them locked up. It's safer that
54:08way for him.
54:09>> Mhm.
54:10And also then they never have to find
54:12out that he can't get an erection.
54:14And you can get those movie rights.
54:17How do you know? Here's the thing
54:18though. I don't even know Why do you
54:19need the movie rights? Anyone can make a
54:22movie. made it all up. I know, but
54:25does she not understand that anyone can
54:26make the movie? Like the movie rights
54:29you would never be able to benefit from
54:31it. Like any movie rights including your
54:33sign-off would probably be illegal.
54:39Yeah.
54:40I mean as we know, but
54:42she doesn't know anything. So how's she
54:43going to know that? I mean she doesn't
54:45think that anyone would have the right
54:46to write her story without her, you
54:48know,
54:49redlining every single word.
54:52And when was uh
54:54Precious Little or what Was it What's
54:56this
54:57Farrah Fawcett movie Precious
54:59Oh, uh Little
55:01Oh goddammit, what was it? I don't know.
55:04I only know the
55:04>> That's Small Sacrifices. Small
55:06Sacrifices. When was
55:07uh when would that come out? Small
55:09Sacrifices. 1989. Okay, I guess the The
55:12book came out in '87 or '88.
55:15Well, the movie came out in '89. So I
55:17guess yeah, they're still
55:19trying to track down those movie rights.
55:21Do you think that she would be different
55:23if she actually looked like Farrah
55:24Fawcett for example? Like
55:27She'd be much more dangerous.
55:30Like you was already getting dick at an
55:32astonishing level. Yeah, I just wonder
55:34if like cuz I remember I once said to my
55:35best friend, "What do you think Sara
55:37Boone would have been like if she was
55:38really good looking?" And my friend was
55:39like my bestie was like, "I don't think
55:41she'd be that way if she was really good
55:43looking." I was like, "Yeah." And then I
55:44was like, "But Amber Heard, you know."
55:46Like I don't know if she's different
55:48I mean Jodi Arias was even decent
55:50looking, but she was just crazy.
55:52>> Yeah, I don't think it really makes a
55:53difference really.
55:55I always think it does because somehow
55:57the way people look usually changes the
55:59way they act, but these [ __ ] act how
56:01they act. It doesn't Nothing changes
56:02them.
56:04Mhm. Mhm. Interesting.
56:07What What do you think about that, X
56:08Derek? I want to suck on your nipples.
56:11>> I reported that the man was at
56:16Tone down the sexual talk.
56:18>> it and then you act like you're
56:19horrified by like, "OKAY."
56:21TONE DOWN THE SEXUAL TALK, X Derek. This
56:24is
56:25I mean come on.
56:26>> wanted me to marry him.
56:29She
56:30He
56:31He Yeah, Fletcher boy, you're also
56:33right. Lori Vallow was not unattractive.
56:35I I mean till the last I mean she's
56:38She's going downhill fast, right? But
56:41um But I love them more attractive.
56:42>> A black widow, right? He wanted me to
56:45sign a movie contract. I said no.
56:48John Stevens wanted me to sign a movie
56:50contract. I said no. So when John
56:52Stevens came to visit me
56:54I wanted to know if they were connected
56:56if if Donald Lee Le Souer and and John
57:00Stevens were
57:02Why does she call him John Stevens? His
57:03real name is Frank. And he was the son
57:05of one of her
57:07inmates
57:09or fellow inmates, right? Oh, you should
57:11write John Stevens. He's the son of her
57:13her bunkie basically. Right. No, his
57:15real name is Frank.
57:17John Stevens is her stalker.
57:20connected. And so I said, "Well, you
57:22know, I don't know.
57:24I don't think I I have a a Greenfield
57:26connection.
57:28Donald wants me to sign a contract and
57:30you want me to sign a contract." He
57:32goes, "Oh, well then don't let me step
57:34on your toes. If you've got something
57:36worked out with him
57:37go ahead and call him." And I said,
57:40"Well, I don't I can't remember his
57:41phone number. I think it's 903
57:441 2 3. I don't remember." And he said,
57:47"4 5 6 7."
57:49>> Yeah.
57:53John Stevens knew Donald LE SOUER'S
57:55PHONE NUMBER.
57:57IF THAT'S NOT PROOF, I don't know what
57:59it is. Hey, real quick. Um what the [ __ ]
58:02is she talking about?
58:04She's trying to describe
58:07What was the question?
58:08>> the thread for a couple minutes now.
58:12No, the question was why would you want
58:14to marry Donald Le Souer?
58:18I said We're still on that question?
58:20Yeah.
58:22So that's what I was trying to do. I was
58:25playing Donald Lee Le Souer to find out
58:28to get proof that they were partners.
58:33And then after I got the proof
58:34>> chests. Yeah, 40 chests.
58:37>> I got nothing more to say to you.
58:39The mail room can give you all the
58:40letters. They can prove to you if they
58:43haven't thrown them away. Another
58:45another throwaway line by Dan to explain
58:47everything. Well, if they haven't thrown
58:48them away
58:50cuz then they have the proof, but if you
58:51throw away the proof They can prove to
58:53you I was not serious about marrying
58:56him. The counselor the records clerk
58:59actually was so worried about me. She
59:01actually Yes. contacted Pretty young. X
59:06Derek, that's That should be your alter
59:08ego.
59:09X Derek. I want to make out with you.
59:13the counselor in CIW for Susan Atkins
59:18and had Susan Atkins write me a letter.
59:20I received a letter from Susan Atkins.
59:22She told me this man's a con man.
59:26I wrote back and said, "I know.
59:29I've always known.
59:31You're right."
59:32She knew. She's playing them.
59:36I have the intelligence
59:39to read between the lines. She's not
59:41stupid.
59:42>> understand is there's still somebody
59:46doing it.
59:47I don't know who's doing it.
59:50I know it's
59:51BS.
59:53That's what I said. I don't think I'm
59:54King Michael's daughter.
59:56But if somebody else is trying to make
59:58me Oh.
1:00:02It's everyone from around the country
1:00:03that's writing her from Arizona,
1:00:05Florida,
1:00:06>> said someone.
1:00:08Someone.
1:00:08>> No, well, no. Someone is getting all
1:00:10these people to write the same thing
1:00:12because she wouldn't just believe one
1:00:13letter. Okay, well, who is someone? Oh,
1:00:16she doesn't know who it is.
1:00:17>> She doesn't know who it is. That's why
1:00:18she's writing to the FBI ABA guys.
1:00:20Right. That's why she's looking into it
1:00:22because some rando
1:00:24has suggested
1:00:25is coordinating all of this. All the
1:00:27deaths in her family, the pets, that
1:00:29gerbil that died. Uh she wants answers.
1:00:32Robin says, "We can all agree that she's
1:00:34not King Michael's daughter."
1:00:36Well, I don't know if I agree with that,
1:00:39Robin. Do you know that for sure? Sex
1:00:41Derek is always the outlier. Sex Derek
1:00:43is all who's I want to take off your
1:00:45shirt AND BRA.
1:00:46>> COME ON.
1:00:47>> APPEAR TO BE.
1:00:49Sex Derek!
1:00:51This is not the time or the place.
1:00:53Because some
1:00:54>> I forgot it's a family show. What has
1:00:56become of me in my life? Because them, I
1:00:59want to know who's doing it. I'm not the
1:01:01only person they're victimizing, I'm
1:01:02sure.
1:01:04Heck, they victimized my parents. They
1:01:06got thousands of dollars from my parents
1:01:08by pretending that Rebecca Babcock is my
1:01:10daughter.
1:01:12Okay, well, if your parents really sent
1:01:14money because they thought Rebecca
1:01:16Babcock or whoever was your daughter
1:01:18because John Stevens is trying to
1:01:19pretend that his daughter is your
1:01:21daughter, they are completely stupid.
1:01:23You're a woman. They would have noticed
1:01:25if you gave birth.
1:01:27Right?
1:01:27>> No. It's not This is not like some like
1:01:29this is my child. Like, oh, you're
1:01:32really the father, right? Oh, I No,
1:01:34yeah, he's the father. I slept with
1:01:36them.
1:01:38She's the female. How does she make up
1:01:40this story involving a random birth?
1:01:43But she does love being pregnant. I Yes,
1:01:46I know, but Sometimes you're pregnant a
1:01:49lot and you don't notice all of the
1:01:51births, maybe.
1:01:52>> Yeah.
1:01:53Yeah.
1:01:53>> She's never hidden She's never hidden
1:01:56a pregnancy. Not that we know of.
1:02:00Okay, right now that I know of. She
1:02:01didn't She hid it. How would we know?
1:02:04But her parents if her parents sent
1:02:05money, they are they are completely
1:02:08They are they are idiots.
1:02:10She says, "Let's all write Diane a
1:02:12letter." Can you imagine we all write a
1:02:13"I heard that you were actually the
1:02:15daughter of blah blah blah." She would
1:02:17her brain would explode. Her brain
1:02:19>> it for the next parole
1:02:21hearing. You think your dog died of old
1:02:24age? That means for you
1:02:27It was me.
1:02:29I was hoping they would do an autopsy,
1:02:30but they didn't.
1:02:32Uh
1:02:34Old age. She goes, "Oh, Grandpa, I want
1:02:36to go to college. Can you send me some
1:02:38money?" My dad sent her thousands of
1:02:40dollars for tuition. Why? So, I Because
1:02:44she said she was her Diane's daughter. I
1:02:47dang well do want to know who
1:02:50I dang well do. She's got that dang.
1:02:52She's throwing out that dang again.
1:02:54>> these people are. Not because I believe
1:02:56them.
1:02:57Not because I believe Donald E. Lawson
1:02:59is a wonderful person. Not because I
1:03:01believe that I'm King Michael's
1:03:03daughter. Not because I believe that I'm
1:03:05special, but because
1:03:07Probably only up here at $4.99. Sex
1:03:09Derek now has to cover his sexual
1:03:12Now has covered his sexually harassed
1:03:14Montanacy and everyone will blame me.
1:03:17Oh my god, I didn't realize that.
1:03:21Yeah, Sex Derek can now say anything he
1:03:23wants and then be like, "That wasn't me.
1:03:24That wasn't
1:03:25That was a here we are clip." It was
1:03:27clip.
1:03:28Well, Fake news. Could you really say
1:03:30anything worse than
1:03:33uh And then I'll stick my penis in you.
1:03:37Yes, it could.
1:03:38>> Because they're praying on me.
1:03:40>> We read the chat log. Yeah. I guess so.
1:03:44And that means they're praying on other
1:03:45people. There's no way that they just
1:03:47decided I'm the only one. Who the F is
1:03:50King Michael? King Michael is King
1:03:51Michael of Romania.
1:03:53Uh duh.
1:03:54Her dad.
1:03:56Yeah, I'll back it up here cuz I'm just
1:03:57talking over it.
1:03:57>> Well, I want to go to college. Can you
1:03:59send me some money? My dad sent her
1:04:01thousands of dollars for tuition.
1:04:04So, Your dad's an idiot if he sent
1:04:06>> well do want to know who these people
1:04:07are. Not because I believe them.
1:04:10Not because I believe Donald E. Lawson
1:04:12is a wonderful person. Not because I
1:04:15believe that I'm King Michael's
1:04:16daughter. Not because I believe that I'm
1:04:18special, but because they're praying on
1:04:21me and that means they're praying on
1:04:23other people. There's no way that they
1:04:25just decided I'm the only one. For 10
1:04:27years Michael Hart never wrote to me.
1:04:29Who's he praying on?
1:04:31He's been praying on somebody. Wait, is
1:04:33Michael Hart her stalker or John
1:04:34Stevens?
1:04:35>> talking about?
1:04:37We're asking why she would involve
1:04:38herself with Don Donald Lawson.
1:04:41She's so stupid. It's
1:04:44This is still the question about
1:04:45marrying Donald Lawson. any of this.
1:04:47This is still the question about
1:04:49marrying Donald Lawson.
1:04:51Shame on them for asking about it, quite
1:04:53frankly.
1:04:54And because these are the they're
1:04:57praying on other people, this makes her
1:04:58the hero.
1:05:00Right? She She's not care She doesn't
1:05:01care about herself. She cares about the
1:05:03safety of her parents, of her kids who
1:05:05are out there, and all these other
1:05:07people they must be conning in in, you
1:05:09know,
1:05:10uh doing this to you.
1:05:11>> Making their money somehow.
1:05:14To make in their money somehow.
1:05:16This is just like with their explanation
1:05:18of like
1:05:19killing kids
1:05:21Nick Nickabocker is like you don't make
1:05:23money killing kids, Diane. Like
1:05:25Yeah, and who's making their money?
1:05:26Who's she talking about now?
1:05:28Well, it has to be because of money. She
1:05:30doesn't understand how they're making
1:05:31money, but it must be because of money.
1:05:32>> I say.
1:05:34This secret organization
1:05:37that the FBI ABA guys aren't
1:05:39investigating.
1:05:40Right.
1:05:41Are you even paying attention?
1:05:43>> even paying attention? I'm trying, but
1:05:47Uh sometimes.
1:05:50It's almost like It's almost like you're
1:05:52not taking this seriously.
1:05:54>> Yeah. It's almost like you can't follow
1:05:55the ramblings of
1:05:56>> There is a heart attack. Must be the
1:05:58money.
1:06:00That's why I wrote to the FBI. Please
1:06:02help me find these people and stop them.
1:06:05Not just for me, not just for my
1:06:06parents, just not just for my children.
1:06:11It's a criminal organization.
1:06:13Mm. And yeah, I do want to take them
1:06:16down. Mm.
1:06:17>> Yeah, I do want to find out who they
1:06:18are. If I can
1:06:20If the FBI wants me to give every A
1:06:23little weird laugh.
1:06:24>> bit of information that I can think of,
1:06:26all they have to do is show up at this
1:06:28at this
1:06:30probably visiting room.
1:06:32Why would the FBI do that? Hey, we would
1:06:34like to show up for your useless
1:06:36document dump.
1:06:37Thank you.
1:06:39I will give them everything and then be
1:06:42done with it.
1:06:44For right now I just save it.
1:06:49Now, you read the psychological report
1:06:51and the scores that you received on the
1:06:54various
1:06:56tests and checklists that were given to
1:06:58you.
1:06:59There was one
1:07:01checklist called the PCL-R.
1:07:04PCL-R stands for psychopathy checklist
1:07:07revised, by the way.
1:07:09And
1:07:11that And do we think Diane did well on
1:07:13that one?
1:07:15Uh define well. Yeah. Well, high score.
1:07:20Kelpia, $4.99. Thank you very much. Sex
1:07:23Derek acts like warm tapioca pudding was
1:07:26bad. Shush.
1:07:29particular
1:07:31test.
1:07:33And the average scores for
1:07:36female
1:07:38prisoners
1:07:39is 19. Okay.
1:07:41>> That's the average.
1:07:43All right.
1:07:43>> And your score was 21. Is she Is she at
1:07:47the bonus level? Which puts you
1:07:50in the above average range for adult
1:07:53You're the above average psychopath.
1:07:55>> adult females in prison.
1:07:57And that score And apparently what I
1:08:00read on this it wasn't incredible It
1:08:02wasn't easy for me to understand, but
1:08:03basically it's measuring if you have
1:08:04like a personality disorder versus like
1:08:07a psychopath. Like it's trying to
1:08:09like you're basic narcissist versus an
1:08:11actual psychopath, right? That's or
1:08:13sociopath, I guess.
1:08:15>> Right.
1:08:16equates to
1:08:19you having a moderate to high level of
1:08:21severely antisocial
1:08:24or psychopathic personality.
1:08:29And what do we think she's going to
1:08:30blame it on?
1:08:32How did you react to
1:08:35seeing that particular score?
1:08:39Well, I addressed it in a letter to you
1:08:41and I could get it out and read it to
1:08:43you, but it's on the record, so if I
1:08:46need to appeal, it's on the record. But
1:08:49it goes back to I can probably do with
1:08:50some counseling with Yeah, probably a
1:08:52little counseling will help me. Mm.
1:08:54Yeah. Yeah. But that's not the real
1:08:57problem. when I get out because living
1:09:00in prison for 37 years with criminals
1:09:02has
1:09:04acclimated me to
1:09:08viewing life differently.
1:09:10Oh my god.
1:09:14Don't At your parole board hearing,
1:09:17don't say living with criminals has
1:09:18changed my uh you know, understanding
1:09:20and outlook on life, my way of thinking.
1:09:23So, now you have criminal thinking?
1:09:25Diane, even if you were innocent when
1:09:26you went in, now you have been you have
1:09:29been warped by surrounded by all these
1:09:31criminals, so now you are one of them.
1:09:33Don't say that at your parole board
1:09:34hearing.
1:09:36Good.
1:09:36>> Now she regrets stealing all the pens at
1:09:39work. Right. Yeah. She knew she didn't
1:09:43know it was going to send her on
1:09:45>> That's her regret. Stealing all the pens
1:09:46at work.
1:09:48Well, she's not even saying she's become
1:09:49institutionalized. Institutionalized is
1:09:51like, I don't know what I'm going to do
1:09:52out there. I don't understand computers.
1:09:54How I'm going to how am I going to
1:09:55compete in the world workforce, right?
1:09:56Nobody's going to hire me cuz I'm an
1:09:57ex-con. Everyone hates me. Like these
1:09:59would be genuine institutionalized
1:10:01answers of like, it's going to be very
1:10:03difficult for me on the outside because
1:10:04I haven't done it.
1:10:06>> I I've I've been in here for more than
1:10:08for over half my life, so it would be
1:10:10hard out there. But now she's saying,
1:10:12"Look, the reason I sound like a
1:10:14psychopath on the test is cuz I'm
1:10:16surrounded by criminals and they've
1:10:17changed my way of thinking."
1:10:20I mean, she's had the opportunity. She
1:10:21just doesn't need therapy.
1:10:24Obviously. Yeah.
1:10:26No, well, she hasn't had it literally
1:10:28because she was in close custody because
1:10:30of all her escape attempts, but she
1:10:31she's ready she's totally willing to uh
1:10:36engage in it, you know, like once a week
1:10:38outpatient, right?
1:10:41Like half hour.
1:10:43Then
1:10:45you would?
1:10:47Or
1:10:49Well,
1:10:50my staff here, probably a little bit
1:10:54Let's have another shrimp on the barbie.
1:10:56Hate.
1:10:57Regina, do you know Nicole?
1:11:01differently.
1:11:02Simply as a matter of survival. Probably
1:11:04Regina, but
1:11:06Regina. Yeah.
1:11:10Oh, I said Regina.
1:11:11>> anyway, so
1:11:13Regina, okay.
1:11:16Oh, you don't know Nicole? You're in
1:11:18Australia with her.
1:11:20Yeah, Australia's tiny. Right?
1:11:23Hi, Regina. From what I hear, it's just
1:11:26basically like Mad Max on the interior,
1:11:27but then the rest of you live in like
1:11:28two cities on the coast, so you should
1:11:30know Nicole.
1:11:32Do you think your continued
1:11:36engagements
1:11:38with
1:11:40I'll use the word that was used earlier,
1:11:41fantastical
1:11:44um stories and these theories and do you
1:11:48think your continuous engagement
1:11:52in that
1:11:54realm
1:11:56makes
1:11:57people feel uncomfortable with your
1:11:59stability?
1:12:02I mean, I don't even know if this is a
1:12:04question meant to like
1:12:05find an answer in terms of
1:12:07Yeah, like in terms of parole for an
1:12:09evaluation, this is this seems like it's
1:12:11just like information to be like, "You
1:12:14understand when you talk about all this
1:12:15stuff, you sound like you're insane,
1:12:18right? And this is what's making people
1:12:19uncomf- You get that though, right?"
1:12:22Let's see.
1:12:23Oh, good. Like asking a small child
1:12:26about algebra.
1:12:29Yeah.
1:12:30I dropped my next pad. Uh-oh.
1:12:35Yeah, I believe that's why she thinks
1:12:37that is the reason and then that's why I
1:12:38said it. I wrote about it and rather
1:12:40than rehash it, I believe that is why
1:12:43she believes that I have some
1:12:46psychopathy.
1:12:48Because she doesn't believe it.
1:12:50I don't believe it either, but I'm
1:12:52willing to investigate it. So
1:12:55>> No. Yes.
1:12:55>> That means you believe it.
1:12:57If you didn't believe it, you wouldn't
1:12:59you wouldn't waste time investigating
1:13:01it. You would say this is nonsense.
1:13:06Diane. I believe that that
1:13:08colored her ability to view me as me.
1:13:13And
1:13:16So, if you
1:13:17if you were paroled,
1:13:21how aggressively
1:13:25would you pursue these
1:13:28various stories?
1:13:32Okay, what does everyone think the
1:13:33answer should be here?
1:13:36Uh not at all. I wouldn't I would not at
1:13:38all. I would I wouldn't do it at all. I
1:13:39to- totally forget about it. I have to
1:13:41get my life together. I have more
1:13:42important serious things to
1:13:44>> Right. Because I know these things
1:13:46aren't real because I don't believe them
1:13:47and people no longer be writing me mail
1:13:50because I'm completely sane. Cuz I am
1:13:52totally sane.
1:13:55Well, let's see what her answer is.
1:13:58Zero. Oh, that's a good start, Diane.
1:14:01All right. All right, on the right
1:14:03track.
1:14:04Maybe a little bit of an expansion here.
1:14:09Zero.
1:14:10I would
1:14:12go to to the FBI.
1:14:17Diane, you had it for like a second.
1:14:20That's not zero, Diane. Going to the FBI
1:14:23is the opposite of zero in this case.
1:14:24It's the opposite of zero. I
1:14:26I can never think of what I would go to
1:14:27the FBI on, but you're like zero Oh,
1:14:30also I would go to the FBI. Nobody goes
1:14:31to the FBI.
1:14:32Chatterbox Billy says, "To the ends of
1:14:34the earth."
1:14:36To the ends of the earth. The FBI does
1:14:38have a hotline though that you can call
1:14:40and, you know, drop in your tips and
1:14:43>> Yeah, they don't want you they don't
1:14:44like you to keep calling it, I've heard.
1:14:46Uh no, they don't. Apparently, they
1:14:47don't.
1:14:48>> Yeah.
1:14:51They're like, "We get it. You hate your
1:14:52neighbor. Don't call again."
1:14:55Sending me brains He's sending me
1:14:57signals in the middle of the night
1:14:59through my water faucet.
1:15:03And say,
1:15:04"You received my letters.
1:15:06This is what I have.
1:15:08This is what else I have cuz there's
1:15:09other things at home. There's other
1:15:11pictures. There's
1:15:12other letters.
1:15:14This This is the exact opposite of zero,
1:15:16Diane. Incredible. This This is This is
1:15:19level This is turning it up to 11.
1:15:21Everybody needs to sit there like,
1:15:25What? These These guys have to sit
1:15:27there, women and men or whatever. This
1:15:29parole board has to sit there and be
1:15:30like,
1:15:31"What?"
1:15:33Yeah.
1:15:34What if one agent spent like half a day
1:15:36that you know, that's
1:15:38half a day that the agent is not
1:15:40tracking down a terrorist plot, right?
1:15:42Or bringing a dirty bomb or something.
1:15:44Diane, you are making all of us unsafe.
1:15:48And I don't negotiate with terrorists.
1:15:57I'm giving it to you in a big box. If
1:16:00you want to find these people,
1:16:03here you go. If you don't call me,
1:16:06there's there's something
1:16:07I'd like to
1:16:08>> Yeah, I don't know. Like she keeps
1:16:09talking about all this evidence she has
1:16:11or something. Like
1:16:11>> you bring that into your next parole
1:16:13hearing?
1:16:14Does she have a iron mountain box in her
1:16:16cell that she's collecting all this
1:16:17stuff in?
1:16:19She's like Lauren with his boxes
1:16:22of cheap camp stuff
1:16:23that he keeps saying you burn.
1:16:24>> All of them.
1:16:27Have
1:16:27>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, Fletcher boy is right.
1:16:29Lauren Owens did call the FBI hotline,
1:16:32right? Can't wait for that We're going
1:16:34to have to live stream that trial. I
1:16:35don't know if
1:16:36you guys can take off work in the same
1:16:38time, but it's in January. We have to
1:16:40live stream that that craziness.
1:16:43Something I can do to answer your
1:16:44question, fill in the blank. I'm
1:16:47Your hair's terrific. Stop.
1:16:49Your hair's terrific. Stop wearing your
1:16:51Adorbs.
1:16:52>> You are
1:16:53>> Well, no, it's it's not as good as Sue
1:16:55me as whenever
1:16:56I see Sue me as and I'm like, going
1:16:58tonight.
1:16:59What? I don't even have the swoop going
1:17:01tonight and you're a natural blonde at
1:17:02least. You've got that going for you.
1:17:04And a natural gray.
1:17:07And natural gray, which is just like
1:17:09highlights.
1:17:10available. If you are interested in
1:17:13finding this criminal organization and
1:17:15stopping them, which I think they are.
1:17:17They just arrested 159 people last
1:17:19night, so they do look for criminal
1:17:21organizations. So,
1:17:24if you are interested, I'll help you. If
1:17:26you're not interested, that's fine. It's
1:17:28not going to be blood on her hands.
1:17:32But I'm telling you right now,
1:17:35there will be a big sign around the
1:17:37house that says, "No trespassing.
1:17:40Texas Rangers are on speed dial." Again.
1:17:43Don't You're embarrassing yourself.
1:17:47Why do you need Texas Rangers? I don't
1:17:49know, but that's 11 again. She's not in
1:17:51Texas. But why don't she just say
1:17:53trespassers will be shot?
1:17:56Like
1:17:57The Texas Rangers, she's in California
1:18:00talking to an Oregon parole board.
1:18:03What do the Texas Rangers have to do
1:18:06What? Walker, Texas and Chuck Norris is
1:18:08going to come and figure this out?
1:18:10>> I think she I think she knows whose name
1:18:11she knows, the Texas Rangers. She's
1:18:13tipping her hand cuz she's going to be
1:18:14moving to Texas.
1:18:16Yeah, that comes later.
1:18:19And that's it.
1:18:20I'm I'm not going to go looking.
1:18:22Clearly, they got what they wanted.
1:18:25They want me to look crazy.
1:18:27Cool.
1:18:28Cool. Yeah, you did that on your own
1:18:30though. Mhm.
1:18:32That was like
1:18:33like a
1:18:34the lightest of breezes
1:18:37pushing her towards that. She
1:18:40She went all the way to the edge
1:18:41herself.
1:18:42And I won't. Thank you.
1:18:44That's all the questions I have for
1:18:45Diane. We We don't need any more.
1:18:50Ms. Lowry.
1:18:54Hi, yes, I just
1:18:55All right. Here's our favorite board
1:18:58member. Ooh, um I have uh just a few
1:19:01questions. So, first I want to touch
1:19:04back on something that you just talked
1:19:05about with board member Taylor. Um that
1:19:07you kind of started talking about your
1:19:09worries uh surrounding your safety on
1:19:13the outside and the fact that you would
1:19:16uh no longer be inside the electric
1:19:17fence and that anyone um could get to
1:19:20you. And what that struck in me was a
1:19:23conversation that you had with Dr.
1:19:24Guyton about a previous parole hearing
1:19:28that you had in your conversation
1:19:30surrounding safety that you had then.
1:19:32And um it was with Wheeler, Baker, and
1:19:35Felton.
1:19:37And you asked the board, you know, are
1:19:39you going to send me to a location and
1:19:41of the board's choosing as they've done
1:19:44with other high-profile cases in the
1:19:46past.
1:19:47Um and you asked the board, "Please
1:19:49don't do that because, you know, I
1:19:51feared for my parents' safety." I
1:19:52finally said something to the effect, "I
1:19:54know you don't believe a stranger shot
1:19:56my children. I know you think I made him
1:19:58up, but I didn't. He's real and I feared
1:20:00he'll hurt my family again. No one else
1:20:03knows to protect my family because no
1:20:05one believes he's real."
1:20:06And then you write, "By that time member
1:20:08Baker was in tears. Member Wheeler said,
1:20:11'We do believe you, Ms. Downs. We
1:20:13finally get it. You aren't making this
1:20:15up. You've been Yep.
1:20:17I mean, this this just sounds
1:20:20See, this is what happens when you talk
1:20:21too much, Diane. This is what happens
1:20:23when you talk too much cuz they have
1:20:24records of all this.
1:20:25>> telling the truth all along. But don't
1:20:27you think you'll put your parents in
1:20:29more danger by going home to them? Won't
1:20:32he follow you there?"
1:20:34So then you write, "Maybe." I sighed. My
1:20:37shoulder sagged. My spirit broken. I
1:20:39squeezed back my tears and replied,
1:20:41"Maybe. But if you send me someplace
1:20:43safe for me, I fear he'll threaten my
1:20:45parents to force me to present myself to
1:20:47him anyway.
1:20:49Mom could be out shopping. Dad gets a
1:20:51call from one saying, 'Mom's been in a
1:20:52wreck' to lure Dad out of the house into
1:20:55a trap. Um
1:20:57I was stupid once. I was careless and my
1:20:59children were shot by a stranger. I
1:21:01won't ever let that happen to people I
1:21:02love again. So at this point,
1:21:05um member Wheeler, you say Exactly not
1:21:07intentional. People write [ __ ] down and
1:21:09they record it, Diane. Come on. is
1:21:12visibly exhausted. She says, "I
1:21:14understand, Ms. Downs. The board members
1:21:16are crying for her.
1:21:20I don't know how we're going to do this,
1:21:21but I promise we won't separate you from
1:21:23your parents." I'm going to back it up
1:21:25just a little bit. Just this story makes
1:21:27no sense.
1:21:28>> what they wanted.
1:21:30Taylor.
1:21:31Um that you kind of started talking
1:21:32about your worries surrounding your
1:21:36safety on the outside and the fact that
1:21:38you would
1:21:39no longer be inside an electric fence
1:21:42and that anyone um could get to you. And
1:21:45what that struck in me was a
1:21:47conversation that you had with Dr.
1:21:48Guyton about a previous parole hearing
1:21:51uh that you had in your conversation
1:21:53surrounding safety that you had then.
1:21:56And um it was with Wheeler, Baker, and
1:21:59Felton.
1:22:01And you asked the board, you know, are
1:22:03you going to send me to a location and
1:22:05of the board's choosing as they've done
1:22:08with other high-profile cases in the
1:22:10past. Um and you asked the board,
1:22:12"Please don't do that because, you know,
1:22:14I feared for my parents' safety." I
1:22:16finally said something to the effect, "I
1:22:18know you don't believe a stranger shot
1:22:19my children. I know you think I made him
1:22:21up, but I didn't. He's real and I feared
1:22:24he'll hurt my family again. No one else
1:22:27knows to protect my family because no
1:22:28one believes he's real."
1:22:30And then you write, "By that time member
1:22:32Baker was in tears. Member Wheeler said,
1:22:35'We do believe you, Ms. Downs. We
1:22:37finally get it. You aren't making this
1:22:39up. You've been telling the truth all
1:22:40along. But don't you think you'll put
1:22:42your parents in more danger by going
1:22:44home to them? Won't he follow you
1:22:46there?"
1:22:48So then you write, "Maybe." I sighed. My
1:22:51shoulder sagged. My spirit broken. I
1:22:53squeezed back my tears and replied,
1:22:55"Maybe. But if you send me someplace
1:22:57safe for me, I fear he'll threaten my
1:22:59parents to force me to present myself to
1:23:01him anyway.
1:23:03Mom could be out shopping. Dad gets a
1:23:05call from one saying, 'Mom's been in a
1:23:07wreck' to lure Dad out of the house into
1:23:09a trap. Um I was stupid once. I was
1:23:13careless and my children were shot by a
1:23:14stranger. I won't ever let that happen
1:23:16to people I love again. So at this
1:23:18point,
1:23:19um member Wheeler, you say it was
1:23:21visibly exhausted. She says, 'I don't
1:23:23understand, Ms. Downs. I don't know how
1:23:25we're going to do this, but I promise we
1:23:26won't separate you from your parents.'
1:23:29Uh by this time member Baker was crying
1:23:31really hard and member Wheeler said they
1:23:32needed a recess. So they have a recess,
1:23:35they come back.
1:23:37And you talk about your parole plans and
1:23:40member Wheeler says, you know, you need
1:23:42to save your money and prepare for an
1:23:44alternative plan, at which point you
1:23:46were You talked about the plans that you
1:23:48presented and then member Wheeler said,
1:23:49"Listen to what I'm saying, Ms. Downs.
1:23:52Save your money and prepare for an
1:23:54alternative parole plan." And then it
1:23:57rung bells with you maybe what was going
1:23:59on and it reminded you of a hearing with
1:24:01Janice Freeman,
1:24:03a previous hearing.
1:24:04Um and for you it sounded like member
1:24:06Wheeler was telling you not to get
1:24:08depressed because, you know, it the
1:24:10parole board was going to release you,
1:24:11but they didn't want to put it on the
1:24:13record. They didn't want the media to
1:24:14know the plans in advance. Like she was
1:24:16kind of telegraphing to you,
1:24:18um be ready, be prepared. So all of this
1:24:23kind of recitation goes back to a
1:24:25question I have is, do you still worry
1:24:28Do you have these worries still about
1:24:30safety if you're released? For your
1:24:32family, for your children, and maybe
1:24:34even to a lesser extent to members of
1:24:35the parole board. You mentioned you you
1:24:37wondered if the parole board had gotten
1:24:39the same threats from the same person.
1:24:41Do you still carry these worries about
1:24:43your safety?
1:24:45All right, that was a very long
1:24:46question, but basically, you know,
1:24:48compiling all the stuff that Diane said
1:24:50that she should never have said and then
1:24:51saying, "Well, are you still worried
1:24:52about your safety?" But then kind of
1:24:54sprinkling in all this stuff and being
1:24:55like, "Why do you even want to get out
1:24:56with all this threat stuff?" Kit uh
1:24:59Kitty Kat, which I know is Kit Kat,
1:25:00meow.
1:25:02Were they in tears? Or
1:25:04Yeah, they were in tears because they
1:25:05realized an innocent woman has been
1:25:07locked up all these times. It's
1:25:08interesting they didn't let her out,
1:25:10though.
1:25:11Cuz that was 10 years ago before this
1:25:12hearing. Hm.
1:25:14Hm. Cuz they knew she was making the
1:25:16ultimate sacrifice to
1:25:18them safe.
1:25:20>> And also to save the clerk that they
1:25:21needed that. They were saying, "Thank
1:25:23you, Diane."
1:25:24Kathleen says, "Why didn't she become a
1:25:26crime writer instead of a murder?" Cuz
1:25:28her books would suck worse than Nancy
1:25:29Brophy's. Well, she doesn't know. Didn't
1:25:31she write books, though? Yeah, she wrote
1:25:33five books.
1:25:34She did?
1:25:35She says she did, but they're they're
1:25:37they're science fiction. They were for
1:25:38her kids. I want to read them.
1:25:41>> Okay.
1:25:45Yes.
1:25:47So she still fears for her safety. Wrong
1:25:49answers to Diane. She won't care.
1:25:55You should say, "No, I don't feel for my
1:25:57fear for my safety. That's why I should
1:26:00be let out."
1:26:02Yes.
1:26:03I do.
1:26:05Um I
1:26:07worry about my family.
1:26:09I worry about all of you. Ex-
1:26:12Oh, okay. Except I've given you heads-up
1:26:15and I've given the FBI heads-up. I've
1:26:18given Dane County District Attorney
1:26:20heads-up.
1:26:21And I don't have control over that. So
1:26:24there's nothing else that I can say
1:26:27more than what I said. So she's given
1:26:30everyone warning. It's not on her now.
1:26:32It's not on her when they all get
1:26:34killed. Um
1:26:36I've asked Mom if she would be willing
1:26:39to go someplace else with me
1:26:42when I'm paroled.
1:26:43She said, "Yes." What about her dad? Oh,
1:26:46her dad's dead. Sorry. Yeah.
1:26:48So past That That's the most that I can
1:26:51do. If you parole me,
1:26:54then of course I'll have a parole
1:26:55officer and if somebody wants to
1:26:59get information from
1:27:03So this is just She said it would be
1:27:05like She doesn't even know what she's
1:27:07saying.
1:27:07>> Well, now she's saying, "Look, I Yes, I
1:27:09fear for my safety and you can still let
1:27:11me out if you just don't put me on
1:27:14parole and just release me."
1:27:17Yeah, because her safety is what's
1:27:19paramount here to everyone. Well,
1:27:21everyone knows. I mean, the parole board
1:27:22was crying.
1:27:23her office and I don't I bet they were.
1:27:26How would they do it? Hack? I don't know
1:27:29how they do it.
1:27:30Hack? I don't know how they do it.
1:27:33Jesus.
1:27:35This is why she can't write books. She'd
1:27:36be like, "And then they hacked into the
1:27:38government and they got all the files."
1:27:40That would be just like the line she
1:27:42would use. "I'm hacking in." I think
1:27:44she's I think she's killing this. What
1:27:46she doesn't realize is she already gave
1:27:49a reason, not that it was a good reason
1:27:51or believable, but she already gave a
1:27:53reason before why this wouldn't work.
1:27:54Remember she said, "Well, if you let me
1:27:56out and don't put me with my parents,
1:27:57I'm afraid they're going to do something
1:27:59to my parents to cut to expose me, to
1:28:01draw me out, right?" Okay, well, if
1:28:03they, you know, discharge you and nobody
1:28:05knows where you are, right? Why wouldn't
1:28:07they just do something to the parole
1:28:09board to force them to find out where
1:28:10you were?
1:28:11Even if they wanted to let her out, all
1:28:13she's doing is giving them reasons not
1:28:15to. Right. I know. This is the This is
1:28:17the crazy thing. She's just giving them
1:28:19more and more reasons why letting her
1:28:20out would be a bad idea. There's no good
1:28:22>> "But this and that and the other thing."
1:28:24Like, you know.
1:28:28Mhm.
1:28:30Then they could find out where I'm
1:28:31paroled, where my who my parole officer
1:28:33is, what county I'm in, what state I'm
1:28:35in.
1:28:36They can do that. And that would still
1:28:39put us in danger. If you discharge me,
1:28:41then I'm not your problem and I also
1:28:44don't have a parole officer and Mom and
1:28:46I can go anywhere that we want to go and
1:28:48we don't have to worry about anybody
1:28:49finding us. Oh, so she doesn't need a
1:28:52parole officer.
1:28:52>> Sounds very reasonable, Diane. Not that
1:28:55you want it. You don't want it. You just
1:28:56want it for the safety of everyone else,
1:28:58right?
1:28:59>> I want to start feeling your boobs.
1:29:00>> X Derek.
1:29:03It's true.
1:29:04No. Predators. That's why I say
1:29:07I would give the FBI everything that I
1:29:10have
1:29:11and wash my hands of it because past
1:29:13that,
1:29:14there's nothing I can do. There are so
1:29:16many predatory organizations out there
1:29:19on the dark net.
1:29:22It's not my job to save these people,
1:29:25but it is my social contract to speak
1:29:27when I know something bad is happening.
1:29:31But you don't.
1:29:32And you've admitted it. You have no
1:29:34idea. Just somebody hearing somebody
1:29:36here and random. You don't know [ __ ]
1:29:37>> But she's telling everyone what she's
1:29:39hearing. That's her social contract. So
1:29:41I've spoken.
1:29:43It's on the dark net. How does she even
1:29:45know about the dark net? She doesn't
1:29:47even have a contract with Motown films.
1:29:50Well, because she wouldn't want to sign
1:29:51one. She wouldn't sign one. Right.
1:29:53>> And past that, there's nothing I can do
1:29:56except
1:29:56>> damn months. For two damn months I
1:29:59couldn't tie my damn shoes.
1:30:01I think my kids got off lucky. My kids
1:30:04are lucky. I saw I saw the blood coming
1:30:06out of her mouth.
1:30:08God, that's that's so terrible.
1:30:12my family.
1:30:15So,
1:30:16that would be my my request. I know I'm
1:30:20not here to make requests, but my
1:30:22request is for a discharge
1:30:25as opposed to parole.
1:30:28Thank you, Diane. Thank you. That was a
1:30:30strong finish to the question of
1:30:32>> Can we get a applause for that? Yeah.
1:30:33Okay. Let me Let me see.
1:30:35>> making she's making a an argument just
1:30:38release me out into the wild.
1:30:40Yes. I want to be I don't want to have a
1:30:42parole.
1:30:44Yeah. She wants to be released out in
1:30:45the wild not for her sake, but for
1:30:47everyone else's safety. For the parole
1:30:50board's safety, her parents' safety.
1:30:52Everyone's safety. A lot of nerve is all
1:30:55I'd say. If If she If she has a parole
1:30:57officer, what do you think is going to
1:30:58happen to him? They're going to tie him
1:31:00up. This organization is going to
1:31:02capture him, maybe his family. They're
1:31:03going to torture him. The FBI guys
1:31:06aren't going to be able to protect the
1:31:07parole agent. She would be happy to have
1:31:09someone monitoring her and her loved
1:31:10ones, but apparently not.
1:31:13Good night, Judy. She would try to bang
1:31:15her parole officer, wouldn't she? I
1:31:17mean,
1:31:18if it was a man, yes.
1:31:21Or at the minimums, give him a little
1:31:23plastic baggie to say, "Fill this with
1:31:24your semen. Yeah, fill this up."
1:31:27Let's
1:31:28a low a low What do they call What she
1:31:30refer to it as? A low
1:31:32low-tech in
1:31:35low-tech artificial insemination
1:31:37technique.
1:31:40Well, you know, that's how that woman
1:31:41Daisy Link got pregnant in
1:31:43jail.
1:31:44The ziplock bag? Oh, is that Yeah. Well,
1:31:47yeah, through the vent. She didn't even
1:31:49They were like talking through the vent
1:31:50talking through the vent and he would
1:31:52slip it through and guess what? Oh, I
1:31:54thought you were like she was he was
1:31:55like aiming it like, you know, worms are
1:31:57going to get in.
1:31:59No, he was putting it in Saran Wrap or a
1:32:01bag or a glove or something. It's almost
1:32:03as crazy though.
1:32:05Like Angry Birds just
1:32:08arching it right through the vent.
1:32:16Oh, that's too disgusting, ex-Derek. I'm
1:32:18going to suck on your nipples.
1:32:19>> OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE.
1:32:21You can't start talking about that and
1:32:23not expect me to get all riled up.
1:32:26Um so at this as of this moment, right,
1:32:28in this hearing this morning, um
1:32:31everyone's safe.
1:32:32At least Yeah, see, Diane, this is where
1:32:35the stupidity of all your [ __ ]
1:32:37really shines, right? Because everyone's
1:32:40safe, so why wouldn't we just keep you
1:32:42here? To my knowledge anyway. Your
1:32:45family, your children, members of the
1:32:46board, Lane County DA, all these people
1:32:48you're you've warned of danger.
1:32:52Everyone's safe and everyone has been.
1:32:57Uh-oh. Everybody's gone.
1:33:00All those people are gone.
1:33:03Like I said, this happens from time to
1:33:04time. Let's give it about a minute.
1:33:08Okay.
1:33:10He's still there, so apparently it's on
1:33:11their end. Shut up. Just shut up for a
1:33:13second.
1:33:15She's She's way too like energized to
1:33:19get She should know at this point this
1:33:21is going terribly for her, but she
1:33:22doesn't, which is amazing.
1:33:38He's still
1:33:45Okay, I think we're back online.
1:33:48Uh Flora says her children are safe
1:33:50because they've been taken away from
1:33:51her. Yeah, this just come up with
1:33:53thinking part three. It's also a very
1:33:55like telling thing. It's like the
1:33:57Remember the Atlanta child murders
1:33:59cases, right? And then they arrested
1:34:00Wayne Williams
1:34:02or whatever and then as soon as they
1:34:03arrested him,
1:34:05you know, people were saying, "Well,
1:34:06he's not guilty of all of them or
1:34:07whatever." But
1:34:08as soon as they arrested him,
1:34:10all the child deaths start stopped
1:34:12happening, right?
1:34:14You know, that's kind of
1:34:16kind of
1:34:18important that, you know, as soon as you
1:34:20were under investigation, no more kids
1:34:22got killed.
1:34:23Uh it's just like this. Well, as soon as
1:34:25you were locked up, nobody
1:34:27nobody attempted to kill your kids
1:34:28anymore. Like if if they were that
1:34:30dangerous, why not kill them? Like
1:34:33finish the job.
1:34:35Um
1:34:38So, Ms. Marbury, um if you can just pick
1:34:41up where we left off before um the
1:34:44interruption got interrupted.
1:34:46No problem. So, what I was saying was at
1:34:48this this moment, you know, to my
1:34:49knowledge everyone's everyone's safe.
1:34:51Everyone that you're worried about is
1:34:53safe.
1:34:54Um and and has been
1:34:56um
1:34:57at certainly at least
1:34:58uh as far back as your last parole
1:35:00hearing goes. So, my question is, do you
1:35:01think that you might be um
1:35:03a little paranoid about the threat that
1:35:05this unknown unknown person poses
1:35:09No, it's realistic.
1:35:10>> This is a little out of pocket.
1:35:11>> and others given the fact that nothing
1:35:13has happened to any of these people that
1:35:15you're worried about.
1:35:18Yes, I'm paranoid and I'm thankful that
1:35:20you guys are safe.
1:35:21>> Hear that? Some guy is screaming in the
1:35:23street on the on his phone.
1:35:25No, I couldn't hear it. I couldn't hear
1:35:27it either.
1:35:29Have you ever seen that movie A
1:35:30Beautiful Mind? Remember when the person
1:35:32when Russell Crowe just started hearing
1:35:33people that weren't actually there? I
1:35:34think that's what happens happening with
1:35:36him.
1:35:43Regina. I mean, someone keeps talking
1:35:45about this ex-Derek person that I I've
1:35:47yet to see on stream anywhere. I mean,
1:35:49she keeps referring to this ex-Derek
1:35:51guy.
1:35:52And it's been me and her the entire
1:35:53time. Just us.
1:35:55Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was a roommate,
1:35:58but uh
1:35:59apparently, she thinks he's on stream
1:36:01with us.
1:36:03Good night, Diane.
1:36:06Now I can't tell if it's a recording or
1:36:08if it's he's it's actually
1:36:13Regina Regina Regina Regina.
1:36:17I thought it was Regina. That's I
1:36:18thought that's how that Well, Regina is
1:36:21a place in
1:36:22Canadia.
1:36:25Yeah.
1:36:27The only place it's pronounced Regina.
1:36:30Regina is a name, which means queen, by
1:36:32the way.
1:36:33Okay.
1:36:35more thoughtful.
1:36:39Regina, is that British Columbia? Is
1:36:41that why I know it that way? I'm going
1:36:42to look it up.
1:36:44and less careless. There's no Regina.
1:36:47Oh, so there was that Forensic Files
1:36:49where they found sperm in Regina.
1:36:50Children would be You're welcome,
1:36:52Regina.
1:36:53There is a Regina in Saskatchewan.
1:36:56Yeah. What did I just say?
1:36:59No, but ex-Derek just challenged you.
1:37:02Ex-Derek just said there is no Regina.
1:37:04He just called you a liar.
1:37:06>> Regina. I think it's pronounced Regina.
1:37:08Not in Can Can Canada it's not. It's
1:37:10Regina. Yeah. Regina? Yeah. Be I know
1:37:14that because the first time I ever heard
1:37:15it I was watching a Forensic Files where
1:37:18he said that they found sperm in Regina.
1:37:21Yeah. That's where I would have gotten
1:37:22it from. That's where I would have
1:37:23gotten it from.
1:37:25Forensic Files. I've seen them all. No,
1:37:28Forensic Files. I mean, I've heard it
1:37:30since cuz, you know, but yeah.
1:37:33Having different lives,
1:37:35Cheryl would probably be married with
1:37:38kids.
1:37:40If I had been more thoughtful and taken
1:37:43life more seriously. Shut the
1:37:46Diane.
1:37:48Maybe I take life too seriously.
1:37:50Maybe I take threats too seriously.
1:37:53But I've lived with people in prison
1:37:55that will shank you for no reason. No
1:37:58reason that you know.
1:38:00I've lived for 37 years with
1:38:06horrible things that
1:38:09I know you're the parole board and and
1:38:10you think you
1:38:12have seen and heard a lot of terrible
1:38:13stories.
1:38:17It's a whole lot different
1:38:20to sit in the day room and listen to the
1:38:22stories.
1:38:24Okay, Victoria girl BC. So, you're
1:38:26saying it's Regina, Saskatchewan? That's
1:38:28how the city is pronounced, Regina?
1:38:33>> I don't know.
1:38:35to feel the energy of the people
1:38:38that are getting ready to go and and uh
1:38:41a gang of them go beat some girl up
1:38:43because she has a smart mouth.
1:38:47What? If I
1:38:48What's happening?
1:38:50She's answering the question of saying
1:38:54uh
1:38:56Does she still worry about everyone What
1:38:59everyone around here is safety. Are you
1:39:00paranoid? She's basically saying, "No,
1:39:02I'm not par- Or yeah, I am paranoid, but
1:39:04it's because of this."
1:39:05>> had been more serious.
1:39:07Even if
1:39:09even if I had
1:39:11looked foolish. if I had been more
1:39:14serious, none of us would be here doing
1:39:15this right now.
1:39:17And I look crazy, I look silly, I look I
1:39:20look Okay, Victoria girl BC. Okay, so
1:39:23you're saying Sumi's correct and I said
1:39:24it correct earlier when I said vagina.
1:39:27Thank you. Thank you for confirming that
1:39:30both of us are right.
1:39:32I'll stick my finger in you. Okay.
1:39:34Fantastic. So you were wrong when you
1:39:35called Regina here who's just trying to
1:39:38have a decent time.
1:39:38>> vagina, didn't I? Didn't I? Didn't I?
1:39:41It's It's Regina.
1:39:42Okay. Well, sorry. Whatever.
1:39:45See, Regina. And I'm the crazy one.
1:39:48Thank you, Regina.
1:39:49>> Why isn't it spelled with double e's?
1:39:52Sorry, Regina. I will pronounce it
1:39:54correctly from now on.
1:39:57I look that way.
1:39:59A-A-Ron.
1:40:00D-Nice. Jack Wellington. A lackey.
1:40:03Because I fear for you.
1:40:06Not for me. I'm in prison.
1:40:09Every single day is a day that I can die
1:40:11in prison. Good work.
1:40:14And we are all waiting for that day.
1:40:16I fear for you, so I send letters to you
1:40:20for you.
1:40:22And if that makes me look crazy, I'm
1:40:24sorry.
1:40:25No, she's not sorry.
1:40:27I'm sorry I'm not sorry.
1:40:29I'm sorry I care so much.
1:40:31>> sorry not sorry. No, I'm not sorry that
1:40:33makes me look crazy.
1:40:34>> sorry.
1:40:35What if one letter, one threat that I
1:40:38got
1:40:40I just said, "Ah, that's crazy. Nobody's
1:40:42going to do that.
1:40:44Come on. These people are powerful,
1:40:45they're important. Well,
1:40:48nobody's going to hurt them. They must
1:40:50know that the feds will come looking for
1:40:52them and I don't say something.
1:40:55And like Michael Francke, he walks out
1:40:56to his car.
1:40:58So Michael Francke, uh I looked this up.
1:41:00Michael Francke was the director of
1:41:03He was like the director of Oregon
1:41:04prisons and he was murdered in 1989,
1:41:08I believe, outside the prison. And then
1:41:11it was
1:41:12It wasn't by an inmate, right? But it I
1:41:14don't know. They They said it was some
1:41:15drug dealer and then the person recanted
1:41:17their eyewitness and then he got
1:41:18released eventually after a couple
1:41:19decades, but she's talking about the
1:41:21What if I sent a letter or somebody had
1:41:23sent a letter about him?
1:41:25No, he wouldn't send a letter because
1:41:27there's no conspiracy. It's just a
1:41:28random crime of violence.
1:41:31Just like you randomly killed your kids.
1:41:34But what if the person who killed them
1:41:36was the person who killed their pets?
1:41:39Could also be that person as well.
1:41:41What if somebody had said something,
1:41:43something crazy, and saved Michael
1:41:45Francke's life?
1:41:50I would rather appear fantastical
1:41:54and perhaps prevent something than to
1:41:56sit here and do nothing.
1:41:59Now, the only thing we need to do
1:42:00prevent you from
1:42:02committing crimes is have you stay in
1:42:03prison. We don't give a [ __ ] if you look
1:42:05fantastical. We don't care how you look.
1:42:08We just need you not to kill people
1:42:09anymore.
1:42:10It's so It's It's such an unfortunate,
1:42:13you know, for her that she went so hard
1:42:15into this like grand conspiracy thing
1:42:18versus like, you know, something more
1:42:19believable being like, "I had a
1:42:21psychotic break." Right? She probably
1:42:23could have sold that eventually, right?
1:42:24But saying it's the Illuminati and
1:42:27everyone,
1:42:28no.
1:42:29And that's it. That's my contract with
1:42:31the universe. That's between me and God.
1:42:34I thought she had a social contract.
1:42:36Well, she's got all kinds of contracts.
1:42:39Movie contract, social contracts,
1:42:41universe contract with God, contract
1:42:43with the universe, uh Motown Pictures
1:42:46contract.
1:42:47>> to keep punishing me,
1:42:50then so be it.
1:42:52So be it.
1:42:53>> it.
1:42:54Yes, not FBI. This is all she got.
1:42:58And in talking about safety, um and your
1:43:00worries about safety,
1:43:02um
1:43:03that something you said earlier in the
1:43:05hearing kind of struck me and you you've
1:43:06asked this question, I guess you've
1:43:08posed it maybe to the universe like you
1:43:09said, "Why Why were my children Oh,
1:43:12that's a cold dig. You You proposed it
1:43:14to the universe, maybe.
1:43:15>> so important that someone had to shoot.
1:43:19So So
1:43:21Why were your kids important enough to
1:43:23shoot, right? Obviously,
1:43:26one of your children
1:43:28was killed and and two two were
1:43:30seriously wounded but lived, so.
1:43:33And there have been to my best
1:43:35knowledge, no further attempts
1:43:37uh
1:43:38By the way, we are doing pretty good on
1:43:39the likes. We're at 140 out of 281.
1:43:42Let's go ahead and get that up to uh
1:43:44200. on on the on those children. So
1:43:49I guess you're you're worried about
1:43:50them, you're concerned about them. Do
1:43:51you not think your children have been
1:43:52well taken care of and are currently
1:43:54safe? Do you still worry for their
1:43:56safety?
1:43:59I think they're well
1:44:00>> Given the person that's out there.
1:44:03Yeah.
1:44:04I think they're well taken care of.
1:44:08Do I think they're safe?
1:44:12I want to believe they're safe.
1:44:14I hope they're safe.
1:44:16They are safe cuz you're the only one
1:44:18that had any motive to do anything to
1:44:19them by your own beliefs.
1:44:23I think
1:44:25I will always fear for their safety
1:44:27because I don't know
1:44:29what happened. I don't know why it
1:44:31happened.
1:44:33And
1:44:35so I will always
1:44:37I don't know why my grandparents were
1:44:38killed. I don't know why my Uncle David
1:44:39was killed.
1:44:42So
1:44:45Your grandparents died in a car
1:44:47accident.
1:44:52Um there will always be a part of me
1:44:54that fears for them. I think the only
1:44:56way
1:44:59I don't know.
1:45:02I don't know.
1:45:04I don't know who's living next door to
1:45:05them. I I fear for them.
1:45:09Mhm. Going back to counseling. I could
1:45:11probably do with some counseling.
1:45:14Is it an unwarranted fear? Already
1:45:17they've been shot.
1:45:18I I'm sure that Fred Fred and Joanne
1:45:20Hugi fear for them.
1:45:23I think they worry about them.
1:45:25I think Christy probably worries about
1:45:26her children.
1:45:29Yeah, they only worry in the sense that
1:45:31you could be out.
1:45:33And this goes back to what? I'm not
1:45:34supposed to worry about my children
1:45:36because
1:45:37what? I'm dying of Downs?
1:45:40Yes.
1:45:42Nobody believes you when you say you're
1:45:43worried about your children.
1:45:46Same thing as on the prison yard. I'm
1:45:47not allowed to worry about them. I'm not
1:45:48allowed to talk about them. I'm not
1:45:50supposed to cry about them.
1:45:53That's what it feels like.
1:45:55Yes, I will always That's what it feels
1:45:57like or that's what it is?
1:45:59Cuz you you you state it like it's a
1:46:01hard and fast rule and now you're
1:46:02saying, "Well, that's what it feels
1:46:03like. I shouldn't cry about them." worry
1:46:05about them.
1:46:08I
1:46:09And there's the one one last question.
1:46:11Um
1:46:12So you are an individual who as far back
1:46:15as these records go that that we can
1:46:16read, you have been surrounded by drama
1:46:19and perceived intrigue from mystery
1:46:22surrounding your birth to the FBI files
1:46:24on you to these happen to your children.
1:46:26It's not her fault.
1:46:27>> who in your words, you know, has been
1:46:28stalking you non-stop since 1987 to
1:46:31receiving mysterious mail from a man in
1:46:33Wales
1:46:34leaving you leaving you to like uh
1:46:36question the attachment in your own
1:46:38family. Uh again, just like we talked
1:46:40about here, perceived threat of harm to
1:46:42previous parole members and family
1:46:43members. It just It goes on and on.
1:46:46And so my question is, why do you think
1:46:48you're surrounded by all of this? What
1:46:50is it about your personality,
1:46:53do you think, that attracts
1:46:55all of these threads of
1:46:58of mystery and and drama?
1:47:02I don't know.
1:47:04That's why I asked the FBI. That's why I
1:47:08wrote to
1:47:10FOIPA.
1:47:11FOIPA?
1:47:13Federal the the
1:47:16information Freedom of Information Act.
1:47:19No, that's FOIA.
1:47:20You were You are referencing a FOIA
1:47:23request based on the Freedom of In-
1:47:26Freedom of Information
1:47:28Freedom of Information Privacy Act,
1:47:30which is FOIPA.
1:47:33You're so stupid, Diane.
1:47:37I want to suck on your nipple.
1:47:38>> That's not That's not
1:47:40Dang it.
1:47:41I don't know anything.
1:47:45You should thank you, Mr. Bility.
1:47:49Ms. Downs, we you know, we've covered a
1:47:51lot of ground on the psychological
1:47:53evaluation and you know, most of the
1:47:55questions that I had
1:47:57have been asked already by the other
1:47:59panel members, but I I I have one
1:48:01question for you and
1:48:04it it kind of goes to
1:48:06um
1:48:08kind of my inability to kind of connect
1:48:10the things that you've connected.
1:48:13And um
1:48:14like, you know, I've read every every
1:48:16letter that you submitted for the
1:48:17packet. I read your response to the
1:48:19psychological evaluation and
1:48:22you know, as we've been discussing, you
1:48:24know, there's a lot of names, there's a
1:48:25lot of dates, there's a lot of people
1:48:27that you've associated them with other
1:48:28people and you've made these
1:48:29connections.
1:48:31But it's confusing to me sometimes in
1:48:34trying to understand how you got to
1:48:35making those connections. So I I'm going
1:48:38to use an example
1:48:40um and I'm I'm going to kind of read to
1:48:41it from your letter.
1:48:44And and this example I'm just using in
1:48:46order to kind of I don't want to ask you
1:48:48about it cuz I just want to try and
1:48:49understand kind of how you've reached
1:48:50the conclusion you reached because I
1:48:52think it would help me try to put some
1:48:54of the pieces together.
1:48:55Um
1:48:57So you wrote the FBI and this is in your
1:49:00letter that you say your request This is
1:49:03what it reads. I'm going to read it
1:49:05quote it um directly as written. "My
1:49:07request was narrow in scope and to the
1:49:09point. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover
1:49:12file, 1955 birth certificate and
1:49:15footprint is of Elizabeth Diane
1:49:18Frederickson, 1964 encyclopedia entry.
1:49:22That's it. That's all I asked and the
1:49:24FBI's response was the identified
1:49:27potential responsive information
1:49:30to my request. Responsive to my request
1:49:34says they found a 1955 file with my name
1:49:37and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover's name
1:49:39on it.
1:49:41J. Edgar Hoover is her father.
1:49:44You wrote Well, no. All she did was send
1:49:47in, you know, a request about like the
1:49:49name J. Edgar Hoover, her baby footprint
1:49:52in 1955.
1:49:53Simple, normal request.
1:49:57And quote, and I think this is what they
1:49:59sent you. This is quote, "The FBI's FOIA
1:50:03program has identified potential
1:50:06responsive information to your request
1:50:09and awaits assignment to a government
1:50:11information specialist GIS for further
1:50:14processing." So, when I read that,
1:50:18that does not say
1:50:20we have found the file that you are
1:50:23referencing. It's actually a pretty
1:50:25To me, it sounds like a very vague
1:50:27response. That doesn't really say we
1:50:30have exactly what you asked for. It's
1:50:32more like we have found this potential
1:50:34responsive information. So, how did you
1:50:36connect in your brain that that's proof
1:50:39that they have exactly what you thought
1:50:41they had?
1:50:42And you thought
1:50:44I do. I do. If I was an analyst and I
1:50:47received a letter that says, "I would
1:50:50like to know if you if there is a 1955
1:50:54file on Elizabeth Diane Frederickson."
1:51:00And that's all I got.
1:51:02And I looked through the files and there
1:51:03was nothing there. I would say
1:51:06404, file not found.
1:51:11So, for them to say we have potential
1:51:13information
1:51:15means
1:51:16they got something. And all I asked
1:51:18about was 1955
1:51:22newborn baby. That's it. That's all I
1:51:24asked about.
1:51:26And they said we have potential
1:51:27information. So,
1:51:30it reasons with me that they
1:51:34found a file from 1955
1:51:37with my name on it.
1:51:40I don't know what that file says. I'm
1:51:41not I'm not extending not saying that
1:51:45this means that I was
1:51:47uh uh
1:51:48Joseph Bonanno's love child. I'm not
1:51:51saying any of that. I WOULDN'T SAY
1:51:53ANYTHING STUPID LIKE THAT.
1:51:55>> to have found a file with my name on it
1:51:57in 1955.
1:51:59And I want to know why.
1:52:01Because if there is a file
1:52:041955 with my name on it and these crazy
1:52:08people have that file
1:52:11and they know more about it than I do,
1:52:14what are they using?
1:52:16Why do I Why do I matter?
1:52:19Why do I matter?
1:52:20>> You don't matter.
1:52:21>> I clearly don't matter. I was just born.
1:52:23So, clearly my parents are the ones that
1:52:25matter. So, where are my parents?
1:52:28Kennedy. Why does Why do I even matter
1:52:31to these people? I'm nobody. I was a
1:52:33mail carrier. I was a mom.
1:52:36I was a divorcee. I was nobody.
1:52:41Well, you are nobody.
1:52:42>> years, they have preyed on me.
1:52:45For what? $10,000? I don't think so.
1:52:48That doesn't even make sense.
1:52:51Well, I guess here's my Here's my
1:52:52question back because again, I'm just
1:52:54trying to see if I can understand kind
1:52:56of the way you connect information
1:52:58because
1:52:59because again, that that response to me
1:53:01is very vague. So, to me, that could be
1:53:04a here's a vague response because we do
1:53:06have some information on you
1:53:09from some period of time.
1:53:12But we're going to have someone look at
1:53:14to see if it can be released, which to
1:53:15me could also be information from your
1:53:17murder, could be information from your
1:53:19escape.
1:53:20Um you know, you might have an FBI file
1:53:22out there, but it could be for
1:53:23completely unrelated reasons to 1955 and
1:53:27J. Edgar Hoover.
1:53:28So, to me, like that's that's a very
1:53:30vague statement. I mean, do you do you
1:53:32do you think that it's
1:53:34I guess that's my point is I mean, are
1:53:36do you see that
1:53:37there's other things that that could be?
1:53:40I did consider that. And that's why when
1:53:43I made the request, I was very specific
1:53:46about 1955
1:53:48Elizabeth Diane Frederickson. That's it.
1:53:50And J. Edgar Hoover. Very specific. Uh
1:53:55Now, if I misunderstood and they're
1:53:57talking about my escape, um my
1:53:59conviction, um
1:54:01my SID number 6546106,
1:54:05then maybe that's it. But then why
1:54:07didn't they
1:54:08Why does it take them 2 years and they
1:54:10still don't have an answer? I mean, they
1:54:12could have
1:54:14They still haven't assigned an agent in
1:54:152 years? I I sent that request in in in
1:54:192000
1:54:20uh 16 and in 2018 No, in 2018 and in
1:54:252020,
1:54:27they still haven't assigned an agent
1:54:29to even look at it?
1:54:32Well, and if you did, then
1:54:34How do you know it's
1:54:36I don't know.
1:54:37Why wouldn't you want to talk about it?
1:54:39Oh, yeah, we know who you are. You're
1:54:41Elizabeth Diane Downs. You didn't trick
1:54:43us by using the name Frederickson. I did
1:54:45something. I don't know.
1:54:47And maybe I'm wrong.
1:54:49Maybe my fear has for
1:54:53I'll take you guys out of the fear
1:54:54factor. But maybe my fear for my family
1:54:57has heightened my sense of awareness and
1:55:00my my willingness to Right.
1:55:03>> examine.
1:55:05Should heighten your sense of awareness
1:55:07of the room that you're in.
1:55:09Yeah. Oh my god, she's Princess Diana.
1:55:12Yeah. I She loves to talk about how
1:55:15unimportant she thinks she is. But she's
1:55:17a princess.
1:55:18>> While also linking herself to all these
1:55:20important things like the FBI and yeah.
1:55:23>> She's J. Edgar Hoover had a personal
1:55:26file on her. Personal file.
1:55:29With
1:55:29>> With his name and her name in it. Yeah.
1:55:33I wonder why.
1:55:35And a couple of beaver shots.
1:55:39And then I'll stick my penis in you.
1:55:41piece of evidence. Maybe it doesn't
1:55:44matter.
1:55:45Maybe Maybe there's nothing there.
1:55:48But why not just tell me either there's
1:55:50nothing there or yes, we have a file on
1:55:53a murder case and uh escape and um been
1:55:58pretty quiet since then.
1:56:00Why not just Well, now you had tried to
1:56:02escape three more times after that.
1:56:05Yeah. Say that.
1:56:07How many How many agents And you did
1:56:09write them a letter.
1:56:11I know. More than one, I would imagine,
1:56:13though.
1:56:15This is a take 2 years to say that?
1:56:21Well, you know, I of course don't have
1:56:22an answer for you on that. I just wanted
1:56:23to ask the question of you know, if you
1:56:25had thought about the the myriad of
1:56:27different possibilities. So,
1:56:29um thank you. I don't have any other
1:56:30questions on the psychological report.
1:56:32Here she is.
1:56:33Here she is.
1:56:35Thank you.
1:56:36Um
1:56:38Ms. Downs, we will proceed to talk about
1:56:41um any potential parole plan. Okay, so
1:56:44that was the end of part two.
1:56:54or an attempted murder.
1:56:57Um I see that the other board members
1:57:00are present.
1:57:01So, we'll continue with the hearing.
1:57:05Uh Ms. Downs, before we get to um your
1:57:08parole plans, I do want to spend some
1:57:11time to talk about your past criminal
1:57:13conduct.
1:57:14Obviously, at this point, we know that
1:57:16you are denying that you committed
1:57:19murder and attempted murder.
1:57:22Um but let me ask you this. Um why do
1:57:26you think you became the main suspect
1:57:29and why do you think you were convicted
1:57:30of this crime?
1:57:35Well,
1:57:36can I answer board member? I would say
1:57:39she became the main suspect because her
1:57:41story made no sense. She her her
1:57:44description of what happened didn't make
1:57:46any sense.
1:57:46Um she was totally inappropriate in
1:57:49terms of her ac- actions when she got to
1:57:52the hospital and she said pull the plug
1:57:54on my dying kids. She had a
1:57:56>> motive.
1:57:58She pulled over Yeah, she's the only
1:57:59person with motive because her boyfriend
1:58:02at the time said, "I don't want kids."
1:58:03And she was like, "Okay." And he was He
1:58:07thought it was uh
1:58:10He thought it was serious enough that he
1:58:11said, "I'm afraid that
1:58:14she killed her kids because of me."
1:58:17And
1:58:19uh you gave inconsistent answers and
1:58:21then you proceeded to change your story
1:58:23over and over saying, "Oh, no, they knew
1:58:26they knew me. Oh, no, there might have
1:58:27been two of them. Oh, well, I did this.
1:58:29I did that." Uh
1:58:31you laughed when you were recreating it
1:58:32and you said stuff like, "I couldn't tie
1:58:34my damn shoes."
1:58:37Yeah. So, and then your daughter also
1:58:40named you as
1:58:41>> and other stories like that you
1:58:44told
1:58:44>> pointed at you figured you as the
1:58:45shooter. Yeah.
1:58:46>> So,
1:58:48and you you owned the same caliber gun
1:58:51as the murder weapon, which you were
1:58:53unable to produce.
1:58:56So, that that's why you were the
1:58:57suspect. But go ahead, Diane. Why don't
1:58:59you tell us? I don't know.
1:59:01Uh,
1:59:02okay.
1:59:07You should at least say I understand it
1:59:09looks bad. All this stuff kind of like
1:59:10look lined up, but that that doesn't
1:59:13mean it's conclusive. That's what you
1:59:14need to say, Diane. I
1:59:16I Look at that face. Look at this crypt
1:59:19keeper in the middle here.
1:59:22Tales of the crypt.
1:59:24I don't know.
1:59:28Do you recall giving law enforcement
1:59:30different versions of what happened?
1:59:36Their idea that different version, the
1:59:39night that it happened,
1:59:41I said he reached into the car. He
1:59:44reached like through the window that
1:59:47I have
1:59:49Yeah, you said he reached in through the
1:59:50window and then you realized, "Wait a
1:59:51minute, I said the door was open." This
1:59:53sounds like when you're making up a
1:59:54story and this not real and then you get
1:59:56confronted with inconsistencies.
1:59:59Um
2:00:01Uh, it's not true of aphasia, but it's
2:00:03kind of aphasia. I can't think of words
2:00:05sometimes. I can't remember I I will
2:00:09>> words
2:00:10for the past 2 hours.
2:00:11>> Well, the words she can't The The words
2:00:13she can't think of is, "I did it." And
2:00:15this is a question. This is a question
2:00:17that she know she should be prepared
2:00:19for. Especially if she's planning on
2:00:22making up some [ __ ] that, you know,
2:00:24obviously. Like she should have some
2:00:26something at the ready.
2:00:28Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.
2:00:30pen and I won't be able to think of the
2:00:32word and so I'll say pencil or I'll
2:00:34describe the shape. I've always been
2:00:35that way. Um
2:00:38I don't know why.
2:00:40And so when it happened that night, I
2:00:42was stressed and I said he he reached
2:00:46into the car. Uh
2:00:48They said, "Where are you?" I said like
2:00:49like through the window.
2:00:51Well, he didn't reach through the
2:00:52window. The car door was already open,
2:00:54so clearly he didn't reach through the
2:00:55window.
2:00:56And then I said he knelt on the seat and
2:01:00so they took that as changing versions.
2:01:02And I wasn't changing versions. That's
2:01:03my aphasia. That's my inability
2:01:06sometimes when I'm very stressed not to
2:01:08remember
2:01:09names or You got it now?
2:01:13Make sense to you? Make sense.
2:01:15>> It doesn't make any sense to me. Make
2:01:17sense. Make sense.
2:01:18>> Okay. Okay. or items. Not to remember
2:01:21the name of something.
2:01:23Um
2:01:24another time they said I changed uh
2:01:26versions
2:01:28because I went to the police and I said,
2:01:30um
2:01:31I think maybe there were two of them. I
2:01:33had a dream and there were two of them
2:01:35and I
2:01:37maybe the dream you keep telling me I
2:01:40have
2:01:41lapses of memory. I don't know that I
2:01:43have lapses of memory. You say I have
2:01:45lapses of memory. I trust that I have
2:01:47lapses of memory because you say that.
2:01:50And so maybe the dream is telling me
2:01:52something that I don't remember. They
2:01:54call that changing my story and it
2:01:56wasn't. I was simply trying to I need to
2:01:58stop trying to help people. That's what
2:02:00I need to stop doing.
2:02:01>> You're too helpful.
2:02:03But anyway, I was trying to to help
2:02:05them.
2:02:07Guilty of being too helpful. That's what
2:02:09she's guilty of. Um
2:02:11Guilty of caring too much.
2:02:12>> I recall reading
2:02:15that one of your children testified that
2:02:18you had shot them.
2:02:21Christie.
2:02:22Why do you think
2:02:24she testified that way?
2:02:29Christie was 8 years old and the
2:02:31hospital reports reflect that she was
2:02:33interviewed
2:02:3556 times
2:02:37in 2 months.
2:02:39Um they documented her answers in the
2:02:43hospital reports.
2:02:45And Christie told Dr. Bergamini, Dr.
2:02:47Bergamini says she genuinely has no
2:02:50memory of the event. She Dr. Miller said
2:02:53Christie said no, her mom didn't do it.
2:02:56They doc The nurses documented when uh
2:02:59Dick Tracy and
2:03:02Dick Tracy
2:03:03>> Paul Walton and Steve Downs questioned
2:03:05Christie
2:03:06>> Dick Tracy
2:03:06>> and the nurses documented Christie
2:03:09Apparently that is a real name of his,
2:03:11but
2:03:12Dick Tracy Yeah.
2:03:15I don't know if it's because it's Yeah,
2:03:16well, I don't know if it's because it's
2:03:17Detective Tracy or
2:03:21I don't know.
2:03:23says, "My mom didn't do it."
2:03:25So that was for the whole time that she
2:03:27was in the hospital. They documented all
2:03:29these reports in hospital records.
2:03:33Christie saying, "My mom didn't do it.
2:03:34My mom didn't do it. My mom didn't do
2:03:36it." Then she was seen by Dr. Peterson,
2:03:39Dr. Carl Peterson. Dr. Peterson also saw
2:03:42Christie once a week until trial. He
2:03:46wrote reports and in his reports, his
2:03:49handwriting which was difficult to read,
2:03:51so during trial my attorney asked him to
2:03:53read every page, so it's in the in the
2:03:55record. Mhm. Mhm.
2:03:57>> Christie said, "My mom didn't do it. My
2:03:59mom's not mean." Dr. Peterson said, "Has
2:04:02your mom ever hit you?" and she said,
2:04:04"No. She stank Cheryl once." And he
2:04:08said, "Well, don't you think that's
2:04:09mean?" and Christie said, "Yeah." and
2:04:11she started crying. He said, "So your
2:04:13mom's mean." Those are his handwriting,
2:04:16his words in the transcript. She said
2:04:18that. So
2:04:21Wow.
2:04:21>> At one point Christie came and she said,
2:04:23"I want to see my mom." And Mr. Ferdick
2:04:25says, "I can only see my mom if I say
2:04:28what you want." His notes, his
2:04:30handwriting, his words.
2:04:32Mhm.
2:04:33>> And it was after that Christie said,
2:04:34"Everybody thinks my mom did it. It
2:04:37almost seems like she did,
2:04:39but I don't remember that."
2:04:42So at some point Christie finally said
2:04:46what they wanted her to say and then
2:04:48they told her, "You can't see your mom."
2:04:51Now,
2:04:52that's the information. Those are the
2:04:54facts. I can prove those with documents.
2:04:56I still have Dr. Peterson's handwritten
2:04:58notes.
2:04:59I still have the trial transcript.
2:05:02I can extrapolate. I can reason,
2:05:05but I can't tell you why she said it.
2:05:09It appears that she was coerced. She was
2:05:12a Yep. But I can't prove that and I have
2:05:16no intention to prove it. Whatever
2:05:18Whatever Christie is living with right
2:05:20now, she does not need me or you or
2:05:22anybody else making her life any harder.
2:05:25So I'm willing to live with that.
2:05:28Okay. And my last question for you
2:05:30before I turn it over to the other board
2:05:32members.
2:05:33Earlier on in the hearing you seemed to
2:05:35remorseful
2:05:36about
2:05:38um
2:05:40something you had done in your past that
2:05:42affected the children,
2:05:44but I'm not I'm not exactly sure what
2:05:46you're remorseful for.
2:05:48So can you explain to me what you you
2:05:49are sorry about?
2:05:54My children would not have been on that
2:05:56road with me
2:05:58if I hadn't taken them.
2:06:00They wouldn't have been shot if they had
2:06:01been with me. I received a phone call
2:06:04and I lived a careless life. I lived
2:06:09a life of not worry. I I The only mean
2:06:12person I ever met in my life was Steve
2:06:14Downs and we used to fight physically
2:06:16and I could take it.
2:06:18And so I didn't think about
2:06:21danger. I I And
2:06:25I lived a careless life that was wrong
2:06:27and my children
2:06:29went with me everywhere. I thought I was
2:06:31putting them first. I always thought I
2:06:33was putting them first because I took
2:06:35them everywhere. Everywhere I went.
2:06:37This is your new thing. I really
2:06:41believed that if they were with me that
2:06:42they were safe.
2:06:45Well.
2:06:45>> And I went out that night. I responded
2:06:48to a phone call and I took my kids with
2:06:51me instead of leaving them at home or
2:06:52leaving them with my parents. Or just
2:06:55not going at all. Was she supposed to
2:06:57leave them at home alone? Is that what
2:06:58she's saying?
2:07:01Sorry, what was that? She's supposed to
2:07:03leave them at home alone. Is that what
2:07:04she's saying? Yeah, it was her fault for
2:07:06taking them. Right. Yeah.
2:07:10So maybe Christie's right.
2:07:12I did do it.
2:07:15Well, she is right because you did shoot
2:07:16her.
2:07:18Why would I take that from her?
2:07:20Because if I I hadn't taken them with
2:07:22me, it wouldn't have happened.
2:07:27All right. Um I don't have any further
2:07:29questions for you on this topic. Uh
2:07:30board member Crest.
2:07:35No questions. Thank you.
2:07:37Mr. Taylor.
2:07:44I don't have any um questions. It's
2:07:46difficult when
2:07:49was that when you communicate that you
2:07:51never committed the crime and so it's um
2:07:53it's hard to ask questions about the
2:07:56crime it And it's probably also hard to
2:07:58get released.
2:08:01Right?
2:08:03Yeah. self
2:08:05And the only question I really had was
2:08:07the
2:08:09various stories
2:08:11that you told afterwards.
2:08:15But it didn't seem like you were
2:08:16confused when you told the stories cuz
2:08:19I wrote in my notes that you um
2:08:22said
2:08:24that there was a bushy-haired man
2:08:29that did it.
2:08:30Then um
2:08:32Well, it's not just the notes. It's
2:08:33police report as well.
2:08:36It's on tape.
2:08:38Cuz I read that there were two men
2:08:40wearing ski masks.
2:08:44And then I read
2:08:46there was a
2:08:49a guy in a car that you were flirting
2:08:51with.
2:08:53And you you said
2:08:55that or the two of you to pull over and
2:08:58and talk.
2:09:00And then you had some marijuana in your
2:09:03trunk.
2:09:04And the plan was to smoke the marijuana
2:09:07together.
2:09:09So, I presume all this was going on
2:09:11Yeah, while the kids were in the car.
2:09:12What's the problem?
2:09:15While your kids were
2:09:17sitting in the car. Oh.
2:09:21The problem was she loved her kids too
2:09:23much. Yeah, and she worried she just
2:09:26other than her
2:09:28reckless life
2:09:29she Yeah, but she's being too reckless.
2:09:32Yet also taking too good of care care of
2:09:34them. Yep. Yep. Yep.
2:09:38Yep.
2:09:39And then the individual who you're going
2:09:41to smoke the marijuana with
2:09:44must have seen the gun in your car and
2:09:48grabbed the gun and
2:09:52and everything went downhill from there.
2:09:53So, I mean, even that story
2:09:57even the story of meeting the man on the
2:10:00side of the road that was going to smoke
2:10:01weed with you.
2:10:03That is that is stupid in itself, but
2:10:05then you go ahead and make it even more
2:10:07stupid. As soon as you saw the gun, he
2:10:08just started blasting.
2:10:10What?
2:10:12Which of those story
2:10:14Did you say something something to her?
2:10:16No.
2:10:17Okay. is
2:10:18is true if either of those.
2:10:23I told police that man with the shag
2:10:25haircut attacked us.
2:10:27They said bushy-haired stranger, which
2:10:30my attorney later told me bushy-haired
2:10:32stranger is a code word between the
2:10:34police of fake.
2:10:36So, I didn't know that. That's how the
2:10:38bushy-haired stranger name got attached
2:10:41by the media.
2:10:43The last one that you're referring to
2:10:45oh, the the scheme of two minute
2:10:47schemes, that was my dream. I dreamed
2:10:49about that. And so, because the police
2:10:52kept saying that I had lapses in my
2:10:54memory that I needed to
2:10:59think about it and fill in the blanks. I
2:11:01assumed that my dream was that.
2:11:05Filling in the blanks.
2:11:07Um the last one that you're talking
2:11:08about, I did not say that. That is a
2:11:11letter that was written on November 7th,
2:11:151980
2:11:184.
2:11:20And it was written while I was still in
2:11:22county jail and it was mailed from the
2:11:23prison.
2:11:25I assuming I guess it was mailed from
2:11:27the prison. I have no idea. There was no
2:11:30There was no envelope with it. There was
2:11:32a letter. I did not write this letter.
2:11:35That's it. But it was a letter that
2:11:38>> What I was going from was what was in
2:11:40the original PSI. It had nothing to do
2:11:42with
2:11:43years later
2:11:44pertaining to letters.
2:11:47Oh, I forgot what lie you were you were
2:11:49talking about. Sorry, parole board
2:11:51member.
2:11:52They were written from the prison.
2:11:56That could not have been in the PSI. I I
2:11:59will go back. I will I have the PSI.
2:12:02I will take the time and I will go back
2:12:04and I will Well, then why would he make
2:12:05it up, Diane?
2:12:09Maybe just assume that he's not insane
2:12:11like you are and he read it and that's
2:12:13what he's putting in his notes. Look at
2:12:15that because that is not in any PSI.
2:12:19That was written November That that PSI
2:12:22was written in August of '84. And that
2:12:26letter was written in November of '84.
2:12:29November 7th of 1984. At least that's
2:12:31the date on the letter. I don't know
2:12:33when it was written.
2:12:34But it wasn't written by me.
2:12:37The possibility was before your
2:12:38sentencing, so it probably was included
2:12:40in there then.
2:12:43Well, sentencing was in August. Maybe it
2:12:45was in the 1987 PSI.
2:12:48I didn't write the date down on my
2:12:49notes. That could be true.
2:12:51Okay, there were two different PSIs. So,
2:12:54maybe it was in that one.
2:12:56And the last question I have is is there
2:12:58any validity to the fact that
2:13:01at the time of the crime
2:13:05you were involved with a married man
2:13:09who did not want any kids.
2:13:15And so,
2:13:17you had the kids
2:13:19murdered
2:13:20so that you could be with him and be rid
2:13:22of the kids.
2:13:25I was involved with three married men.
2:13:28And
2:13:30I don't imagine any of them wanted the
2:13:31kids or me. They were married.
2:13:34So,
2:13:35that was this that's what the state used
2:13:38because they couldn't find any other
2:13:40motive. We had many.
2:13:41We had cars. I had a job. I had more
2:13:45money coming in. There's no motive.
2:13:48There's no reason for me to shoot my own
2:13:50children.
2:13:51And so, that was the state's motive.
2:13:53That's what the state said that
2:13:56I was involved with three married men.
2:14:00Told her I lived a careless life. I was
2:14:02very careless.
2:14:04And my final question
2:14:06is kind of a
2:14:07blunt question.
2:14:09Did you um
2:14:12shoot the gun that night or were you
2:14:14involved in the planning of someone
2:14:16shooting the gun?
2:14:18Neither. I did not shoot the gun, nor
2:14:20did I plan for anybody else to shoot any
2:14:22gun.
2:14:26I don't know. I
2:14:28I feel like that's a lie. at all.
2:14:30Really?
2:14:32I mean, maybe it's just me. I'm kind of
2:14:33biased, I guess.
2:14:35I Cuz I live in this universe.
2:14:37>> Downs fan club.
2:14:40Yeah, I don't know.
2:14:42I'll stick my finger in your Okay. Well,
2:14:46I mean, I can if you want.
2:14:49Just He's so accommodating.
2:14:52He's just so random with all these
2:14:54disgusting comments.
2:14:56That's Derek. I want to move my hands
2:14:58down to your skirt or pants.
2:15:01Okay.
2:15:02That's a little forward.
2:15:07And what type of um
2:15:09remorse do you feel now regarding the
2:15:12crime that happened?
2:15:17Well,
2:15:18we already know what this is going to
2:15:19be.
2:15:19I regret being so careless.
2:15:23No, I regret being so care too careless.
2:15:26I ain't you know, and just take my kids
2:15:28with me. That wasn't fair.
2:15:30>> Because she loved her kids so much.
2:15:33Just a a foolish individual.
2:15:35I
2:15:39I have
2:15:41I don't I don't
2:15:43Like I said, if my children were here,
2:15:44it would be
2:15:46Why would it be different if your
2:15:47children were here?
2:15:49You should
2:15:51And this isn't This is Diane, again, one
2:15:53of those questions you have had decades
2:15:56to prepare for.
2:15:59How do I explain to you remorse? I I
2:16:02have self-contempt, self-loathing. I'm
2:16:05angry at myself. I I
2:16:08wish there was some way we could do have
2:16:10a do-over so that I could make better
2:16:13better choices than I made last time.
2:16:15But none of that's going to change
2:16:16anything and my
2:16:19my children what This is my remorse. I
2:16:22want my children to be able to look me
2:16:24in the eye and tell me how they feel.
2:16:28That should be They should have that
2:16:30right to do that.
2:16:31We hate you.
2:16:33But I I I can just fill in for We hate
2:16:35you or I don't want anything to do with
2:16:37you.
2:16:38You were not a part of my life. You're
2:16:40something I
2:16:41>> no to see each other at all, so or have
2:16:44any contact. Right. I I would imagine it
2:16:46is just
2:16:48like if they're if they've truly been
2:16:50raised well or whatever like you were
2:16:52not a part of my life. You You're not
2:16:54You're not anything I think about. Nor
2:16:56would I want to think about you.
2:16:59They should have the right to say I'm
2:17:01angry. They should have the right to say
2:17:03I'm confused. Now, Kings of Leon suck.
2:17:07By the way.
2:17:08Don't even get me started, Brian.
2:17:10Oh, boy.
2:17:16Well, garbage. should have the right to
2:17:18ask questions that and and and and make
2:17:21statements.
2:17:23My remorse
2:17:27I'm sorry. But but it's not enough.
2:17:30Okay. Okay.
2:17:33She's sorry.
2:17:35Maybe this is it.
2:17:36>> matter. It It's They have a right.
2:17:40I have questions about things that don't
2:17:42matter nearly as much.
2:17:44And I want answers. Could you imagine
2:17:47being
2:17:49sleeping
2:17:52and I love the fake fake emotion.
2:17:54>> And you're faking thinking you're
2:17:56You're crying and you're in pain. Cuz
2:17:58your mother shot you.
2:18:01AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND what's going
2:18:02on, what's happening.
2:18:04Cuz your mother's shooting you. It It
2:18:06smells awful. It smells like like copper
2:18:09because of the blood. From your mom
2:18:11shooting your siblings.
2:18:12>> It smells like gunpowder, which they
2:18:14don't even know what gunpowder smells
2:18:16like. I Well, they do because you shoot
2:18:18with a gun. Yeah. didn't know what
2:18:19gunpowder smells like. And they're And
2:18:22they're riding in the car and they're
2:18:24they're
2:18:26murdered by their mother. They're
2:18:28confused. And mom's not making it
2:18:30better.
2:18:32No, mom is definitely not making it
2:18:33better. And I'm driving the car and they
2:18:36and they're and Danny's crying and
2:18:38Christie's choking. They have a right
2:18:43to ask why. They have a
2:18:46I hate this I I
2:18:47It's not only is it just [ __ ] This
2:18:50What are you doing here, Diane? What do
2:18:51you think you're accomplishing?
2:18:53A right to know. They have a right to
2:18:55demand answers. They have a right to be
2:18:57angry. They have a right to scream at
2:18:59me. They have a right to do
2:19:02Mom, YOU WERE THE MOM.
2:19:04You're res-
2:19:06Mom, you were the shooter, is what they
2:19:09would say. responsible. How could you
2:19:11let this happen? They have a right.
2:19:13Remorse
2:19:14Remorse doesn't even cover it. Remorse
2:19:16is
2:19:18Well, you don't have any remorse.
2:19:24There's no word for it.
2:19:26There's no word It's just emotions with
2:19:28no word.
2:19:30Well, but you don't have emotions,
2:19:31either. You're just kind of fake crying.
2:19:33You're not saying the words cuz you
2:19:34don't understand how to express it.
2:19:35>> I want to start feeling your boobs.
2:19:37>> X Derek, that is totally inappropriate.
2:19:39We are not even talking about that right
2:19:40now.
2:19:41>> expressing himself.
2:19:44I'm sorry. I thought this was an open
2:19:46commentary.
2:19:47>> I'm sorry. I thought I had a First
2:19:48Amendment right still.
2:19:51LAST TIME I LOOKED,
2:19:53THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY. I thought we
2:19:54were living in a free country. I thought
2:19:56this was America. I I am just imagining
2:19:58all the [ __ ] I'm going to get in texts
2:20:00from X Derek being like, "Why did you do
2:20:02that?"
2:20:05Um Bethany says, "Don't forget Diane had
2:20:07a bullet wound, so that's why she drove
2:20:09slow."
2:20:10Yes. Yeah, that's why.
2:20:12>> And that's why it took her so long to
2:20:13find Hungry Like the Wolf on the radio.
2:20:16Hungry Like the Wolf. It's a wishing you
2:20:20could
2:20:21Get in the time machine to even go back.
2:20:24It's It's wishing
2:20:27Maybe that's why why it's so hard and I
2:20:29listen to all these crazy things because
2:20:31I need answers.
2:20:32No, cuz you're desperately clinging onto
2:20:35anything somebody would believe other
2:20:36than the reality that you did this. And
2:20:39you're terrible at thinking of things.
2:20:41And you want the time machine to go back
2:20:43and just change certain things from the
2:20:44crime so you don't get caught. It is
2:20:46not, "Oh, I wish I shouldn't have done
2:20:48that."
2:20:50I need an answer.
2:20:52Cuz someday
2:20:54the time will come someday when my kids
2:20:56are going to look and they're going to
2:20:58say, "Why did this happen?"
2:21:01But I don't have the answers.
2:21:03Maybe that's why I listen to the crazy
2:21:05people. Maybe because I Maybe somewhere
2:21:07in there there's just a kernel of truth.
2:21:09Maybe the FBI can tell me something that
2:21:11I can say, "Oh my god,
2:21:14here.
2:21:16Now I can show you remorse." Remorse is
2:21:19such a dumb word.
2:21:21Remorse is such a dumb word. Also,
2:21:24probably not on the top of list of
2:21:25things to say at your probation hearing.
2:21:27>> Yeah.
2:21:29This is what I was talking about, Suma,
2:21:30when I said like he feels it feels like
2:21:33this is the Morgan Freeman speech in
2:21:35Shawkshank Redemption, but she feels
2:21:36like she's doing her own version like
2:21:38her own
2:21:39Like he's like, "Remorse is just a word
2:21:42on a piece of Rehabilitated?
2:21:45Won't you just go ahead and stamp your
2:21:47form, Sonny, cuz you're wasting my
2:21:49time."
2:21:50A bunch of letters put together to make
2:21:52a Don't know what it means. 40 years in
2:21:55here, I wish I could talk to him.
2:21:57Wish I could talk to that kid.
2:21:59Knock some sense into him.
2:22:01But that old that kid is gone. Just this
2:22:03old man is here now.
2:22:07This is the Sara Boone or Sara not This
2:22:10is the Diane Downs Boone, but we will
2:22:12eventually get the Sara Boone in 40
2:22:14years.
2:22:17It doesn't cover
2:22:19It doesn't cover the way
2:22:22I feel. Maybe that's how other people
2:22:24feel. He's laughing. I think when she
2:22:27gets emotional like this, this is These
2:22:28are the parts where she rehearsed it.
2:22:31Like she she rehearsed it kind of in her
2:22:33cell when she's got the emotion going
2:22:35because she had This is how she had done
2:22:37it, but then she also at the end of some
2:22:39of these will go like, "What was the
2:22:40question?" cuz she just kind of went
2:22:42into the soliloquy of the answer not
2:22:44realizing, "Uh this doesn't really fit
2:22:45this question." Um
2:22:48But you thought you had it on lock.
2:22:50I think it's off the cuff, which shows
2:22:53how stupid she is because You think it's
2:22:55off the cuff? Okay.
2:22:56Yeah, I I kind of do.
2:22:58Well, I I think I obviously it's made
2:23:01up, right? But I think when she's doing
2:23:02these emotional things, I think this is
2:23:06I mean, she
2:23:07I say rehearsed in the sense like like
2:23:09she practiced it. Like it's not she she
2:23:12has totally forgotten the words, right?
2:23:13Cuz it would have been much more like
2:23:16succinct. Yeah, why would she remember
2:23:17that? So, she is going kind of off the
2:23:19cuff off a rehearsed statement. How
2:23:21about that? How about that? We like we
2:23:24uh
2:23:24come to a middle ground there. Like she
2:23:26she's wandering away from the stuff she
2:23:28actually prepared
2:23:29and it's coming out even worse.
2:23:32No,
2:23:33Boone does not get parole.
2:23:35But
2:23:37who knows what laws will change in the
2:23:38future, right? Neither did Diane.
2:23:42No. No. Boone won't even get a parole
2:23:45hearing.
2:23:46Right. Boone is life Life is life.
2:23:49El Gato.
2:23:51Which is also a terrible song popular in
2:23:53Europe.
2:23:56I I don't follow uh the European pop
2:23:58charts. It's horrible.
2:24:00You don't?
2:24:03Take off my clothes.
2:24:05What?
2:24:06What?
2:24:07>> Remorse That's how you listen to
2:24:09European pop. That's right. It's true.
2:24:11>> to take off your shirt and bra.
2:24:13Come on.
2:24:16It's regret. It's grief. It's sorrow.
2:24:19It's rage.
2:24:21It is self-loathing.
2:24:24It's hatred for people I can't even
2:24:25find.
2:24:27It's an unending hatred for someone I
2:24:30can't even find.
2:24:31>> Uh Jake Chicken [ __ ] has a good point. I
2:24:33think she rehearsed it with her
2:24:34bunkmates that hate her and like she
2:24:36knew since they told her it was all
2:24:37great stuff. Oh, yeah, do that. Do that.
2:24:41As Well, let's help with your makeup in
2:24:43here. We're all getting parole today.
2:24:50Remorse isn't the right word.
2:24:53No, it is the right word.
2:24:56Life is life is by an Austrian band
2:24:58called Opus.
2:25:00Now you know.
2:25:01Austrian band
2:25:02Wait, Austrian or Australian? Austrian.
2:25:05No.
2:25:06>> Australia's not in Europe.
2:25:08I know. Right. And there's that. But he
2:25:10knows, but he doesn't think I know.
2:25:17No, I was just going to say, "Wait a
2:25:18minute, you said Australian. That's not
2:25:20in Europe, Suma."
2:25:24I don't live in Utah. I just watched
2:25:26that Remember the body cam face-off that
2:25:29we never did round two on?
2:25:31I watched that the other night. I DON'T
2:25:32LIVE IN UTAH. OH, IS IT SHAKIRA WHAT
2:25:36What's her name?
2:25:37No, it wasn't It wasn't Shakira
2:25:39flabbergasted, but it was the one in the
2:25:41airport being like, "I NEED TO GET ON A
2:25:43PLANE." SHE LIKE HER HER HANDS ARE JUST
2:25:45LIKE the entire time. "I DON'T LIVE IN
2:25:48UTAH."
2:25:52STOP.
2:25:54STOP.
2:25:55LIKE A CAT.
2:25:57I THINK I I THINK YOU'VE UM described um
2:25:59the emotions. I appreciate that.
2:26:03That's all I have for Mrs. Boone. Thank
2:26:05you, Mrs. Lowry.
2:26:07All right. Lowry, coming up to the
2:26:09plate.
2:26:13Oh, we even got a different picture of
2:26:14her now.
2:26:16Thank you. Um
2:26:18So, you I'm trying to
2:26:22One moment, please, Mrs. Downs. I'll
2:26:23give you a moment to
2:26:25collect yourself. Here we go. Okay.
2:26:28Do you need to collect yourself from
2:26:30your little [ __ ] session there? Uh
2:26:34So, in the report um in the in Dr.
2:26:37Guyton's report,
2:26:39she says you you guys were talking and
2:26:41you said, "People say I changed my story
2:26:44all the time, but it's evolving."
2:26:47So, my Evolving is not changing.
2:26:53Question is, when will the story be done
2:26:56evolving?
2:26:58When I go home.
2:27:04She says Exasperated. Uh if you're going
2:27:07to keep asking me these questions I
2:27:08can't answer, I'm it's just going to
2:27:09look worse. You trying to make me feel
2:27:11>> I think it's the other one who's
2:27:12exasperated.
2:27:14Yeah, but are you trying to make me feel
2:27:16even worse?
2:27:17>> I said earlier. Right.
2:27:19I want to know why.
2:27:21And
2:27:23if the FBI can't give me the answers, if
2:27:26the FBI doesn't have the the
2:27:29skill or the the the
2:27:32facility to give the answers to me, I'm
2:27:35done.
2:27:37I spent 37 years allowing people to
2:27:40torment me with
2:27:42lies, victim
2:27:43>> truth, half truth.
2:27:49Torment you with lies, truth, half
2:27:51truth.
2:27:52Torment you with
2:27:54lies and half truths.
2:27:57No, she said in truths.
2:27:59She's tormenting her with the truth
2:28:01being like, "I know who killed your
2:28:02kids."
2:28:03>> I can't even answer.
2:28:05I'm not going to spend the rest of my
2:28:06life doing that.
2:28:08Well, you said the first thing you're
2:28:09going to do when you get out is go to
2:28:11the FBI.
2:28:13Come on. Diane, do you even remember the
2:28:16lies you tell anymore?
2:28:18I'm just
2:28:21I have a bunch of stuff at home. I have
2:28:23a bunch of letters that people have sent
2:28:24me. Bunch of pictures that people have
2:28:26At home? You live in a prison.
2:28:29You're at home.
2:28:30>> to home. You home.
2:28:31>> You're not
2:28:31You're at home. You home, girl.
2:28:34sent me.
2:28:36And I will give all of that to the FBI.
2:28:38Norah Jones is great.
2:28:40Right, Colburn.
2:28:42And if they care, if they want to figure
2:28:44it out,
2:28:46You already went You already said this
2:28:48answer, Diane. I will help, and if they
2:28:51don't, I'm done.
2:28:53I'm done. This is it, right here.
2:28:57I see that no matter what I do, no
2:28:59matter what I say,
2:29:02shh
2:29:03it isn't going to bring Cheryl back.
2:29:06It's not going to get Danny his
2:29:09his
2:29:10perfect body back.
2:29:13What? Perfect body. Perfect body.
2:29:18That's not a good choice of
2:29:20It's not a good choice of words. How
2:29:21about
2:29:22his ability to walk back? How about
2:29:24that?
2:29:27It's not going to get Christie her peace
2:29:28of mind back.
2:29:30Even if I found him, even if I Even if I
2:29:33held him up and said, "Here, this is the
2:29:35reason." This is close to remorse as
2:29:37you're going to get, people. Yeah.
2:29:40It won't change anything.
2:29:42No, well, so why do you keep pursuing
2:29:44it?
2:29:50And the original question was, does
2:29:52anyone remember? No, don't have a clue.
2:29:54When will your story stop changing?
2:29:58I don't know that she answered that. No.
2:30:02I'm done. Did she say when I get out of
2:30:03here?
2:30:05Yeah, when When she gets out of here,
2:30:07I'm done. I'm done cuz I'll just Uh the
2:30:10FBI can do whatever they want. When I
2:30:11get out of here, I'm done. So, you just
2:30:13got to let me go. That's why I Or else
2:30:15I'm going to keep writing letters. As if
2:30:17it's bothering them so much that it's
2:30:19changing that they're just going to let
2:30:20her leave.
2:30:21Right. Like
2:30:23uh Yeah, Sky flashes, "I don't know what
2:30:25to say or how to say it." No, I think
2:30:26this plays into her her overall
2:30:29strategy is to say, "Look, I'm not
2:30:31psychotic. I'm not violent. I won't harm
2:30:33anyone. And plus, you keep me in here,
2:30:35I'm just going to be more and more
2:30:36annoying." Mhm. Right? You got to let me
2:30:39out, or else I'm just going to keep
2:30:41writing the FBI, "Hey, but guys."
2:30:45Uh when we get those likes above 200
2:30:47people, we're at 291. It's almost 300.
2:30:52We don't want to have anything happen.
2:30:55Not.
2:30:57Okay.
2:30:58Um Okay. Mhm, okay.
2:31:01So, there are a lot of different
2:31:02versions um Mr. Taylor alluded to Did
2:31:05she just say versions? Yeah, a lot of
2:31:06different versions. A lot of different
2:31:08versions.
2:31:08>> that Versions of the story that have
2:31:10been posited by you Versions of the
2:31:13Mhm.
2:31:15Um over time, different details,
2:31:17different
2:31:19facts, different reasons why you
2:31:20stopped, different motives from
2:31:22different people you think. Um
2:31:25And and and in discussing this the story
2:31:27evolving over time, not changing but
2:31:29evolving. I guess I I guess I'd like to
2:31:31give you the opportunity right now to
2:31:33put your final version of the story on
2:31:34the record here today to stop the
2:31:36evolution to to get that the final truth
2:31:38out there if you'd like.
2:31:40The opportunity is yours if you'd like
2:31:42it. Otherwise, we can move on.
2:31:47Evolution is when somebody gives me, for
2:31:50instance,
2:31:511983, I didn't know I was adopted.
2:31:55Oh my god, you weren't
2:31:57>> But I'm Did that matter? I'm pretty sure
2:31:59you weren't adopted, Diane.
2:32:02They have a file.
2:32:04But they don't say what it is.
2:32:05Evolution. Oh, FOIPA, FOIPA, yeah.
2:32:09Uh just started a poll in honor of uh
2:32:11Brian's question. Brian wants to know,
2:32:13do you fold or crinkle your toilet
2:32:15paper?
2:32:17All of these are [ __ ]
2:32:19In the bathroom.
2:32:20Do you fold it? Or do you crinkle it?
2:32:22Like ball it up.
2:32:24Nuggets that may or may not mean
2:32:26anything.
2:32:28Maybe they do, and if they do, then the
2:32:29story's not finished. If they mean
2:32:32nothing, then the story was never
2:32:34written.
2:32:35So,
2:32:37I can't I can't give you a final
2:32:40version.
2:32:41Cuz
2:32:43I can't give you a final version cuz I'm
2:32:44full of [ __ ] That's what you're asking
2:32:46for because
2:32:48I don't know.
2:32:51There's still so much left unsaid.
2:32:55Yeah, the unsaid part is you did it, and
2:32:58I'm sorry for shooting my children.
2:32:59That's the only unsaid part that is
2:33:01left.
2:33:03Sorry.
2:33:05It's okay. Me.
2:33:08I don't know. I don't know how it ends.
2:33:10I only know what happened.
2:33:12With your death.
2:33:14I only know what I saw with my own eyes.
2:33:18And past that, everything else is just
2:33:23probably red herrings.
2:33:25It's all red herrings.
2:33:27And again, I'm just looking at the
2:33:28center now look looking at her photo.
2:33:30This This demon Like Like it could It's
2:33:33like the pedophiles who their faces and
2:33:36every their bodies become more warped to
2:33:39look,
2:33:39you know, more creature-like. Just like
2:33:41Diane, she It's just like her her body
2:33:44is
2:33:45event you like being sucked out like
2:33:47their soul cuz she has none. It's just
2:33:49she's just like withering away into this
2:33:54horrifying creature of death.
2:33:56I don't know.
2:34:00Help.
2:34:02So, after 37 my finger in you Okay.
2:34:05years of analysis, research, questions,
2:34:08you know, everything that you've gone
2:34:10through trying to get these answers.
2:34:13Um the ultimate question, you know, if
2:34:15if this wasn't you, then who?
2:34:18In your heart of hearts,
2:34:20who do you think
2:34:22did this?
2:34:24I'm sure she's going to name somebody
2:34:26specific.
2:34:28In my heart of hearts?
2:34:35Well.
2:34:37Well.
2:34:39Again, if she is hell-bent on believing
2:34:41this is a conspiracy and she has some
2:34:43idea, she should have this answer ready
2:34:45to go. But no, she doesn't. She's like,
2:34:47"Well, mhm."
2:34:50Even Ann Yager's there, and 20 other
2:34:52people are there.
2:34:55And the hackers that can get into your
2:34:56system are there.
2:34:59Ann Yager, I don't know if we know that
2:35:00name. Does anyone remember an Ann Yager
2:35:02being discussed earlier? Mhm. No.
2:35:06And everyone that's in the parole board,
2:35:07I guess, is probably a suspect, and the
2:35:09people that can hack into the parole
2:35:10board are suspects. Okay.
2:35:14I don't know.
2:35:15But she doesn't know.
2:35:20I don't know.
2:35:23You don't want to answer the question
2:35:25cuz this is a public forum and you're
2:35:26fearful?
2:35:29Not fearful for me.
2:35:31Ooh.
2:35:33I'm trying to protect you, Ms. Lowry.
2:35:35>> Yep.
2:35:35I'm fearful for you.
2:35:42Yeah.
2:35:48Who is this?
2:35:50So, 37 years in custody for a crime that
2:35:54you claim innocence for. Do Do you view
2:35:56yourself um
2:35:58as a victim?
2:36:01No. She is a victim.
2:36:03She just said no.
2:36:05No.
2:36:07Well, she doesn't feel like one. See
2:36:09herself as one because
2:36:10>> She's a victim. She knows enough on the
2:36:13on the parole board not to say yeah,
2:36:14you're not a victim. If you kept me here
2:36:16another 37
2:36:19Kept me here here another 37 years and
2:36:21she starts crying. Yeah, I wish we
2:36:22could. I wish we could find the fountain
2:36:25of You helped me live this long that
2:36:26long. To keep you alive for 200 years in
2:36:28prison, Diane.
2:36:32I support that public health initiative.
2:36:35Let's keep Diane Downs alive forever in
2:36:37prison.
2:36:39If you kept me here another 37 years, it
2:36:42wouldn't
2:36:43even balance what my kids have lost.
2:36:45Yeah, no one's arguing with that.
2:36:48And
2:36:49It's all all these straw man arguments.
2:36:51Yeah, the argument she's making over and
2:36:53over again in different ways is
2:36:54basically like, there's no point in
2:36:55keeping me in here just to, you know,
2:36:58satisfy your stupid need. Just let me
2:37:00out. But also, you guys don't understand
2:37:02what my kid You keep focusing on me.
2:37:04You're not focusing on my kids.
2:37:06Yeah, she is a victim of the ugly stick.
2:37:08Yeah, fell off the ugly tree and hit
2:37:11every branch on the way down. Yep.
2:37:13victim. I was a stupid woman.
2:37:16I was a stupid careless woman.
2:37:18I could talk to other women.
2:37:21Nobody listens. You're in prison with
2:37:23other women. You could talk to other
2:37:25women. I've stupid wild women. If
2:37:27somebody had told me, I wouldn't have
2:37:29listened.
2:37:31That playing around, that living a care
2:37:34for care
2:37:35careless life,
2:37:37I wouldn't have listened.
2:37:40So, Right.
2:37:43I don't even know how to make amends.
2:37:46I Well, first off, confess that you did
2:37:49it.
2:37:50Make bicycles for children. I crochet
2:37:52the like that's for children.
2:37:55That hasn't fixed anything.
2:37:58Has it changed
2:38:00anything for them?
2:38:04I can't even make a blanket for my kids.
2:38:07I'm not even allowed to I get letters
2:38:09HOW CRAZY IS THAT?
2:38:11>> FROM THE DA's office, and I'm not I'm
2:38:13not criticizing, but I'm just saying.
2:38:15The DA's office My love for my children
2:38:18is perceived as a
2:38:20a wedge that I'm trying to drive a wedge
2:38:22between Christie, Danny, Joey, and Fred.
2:38:25I'm not.
2:38:27I'm not even allowed to love them. But
2:38:29if I don't love them,
2:38:31then I'm a a cold a cold piece.
2:38:35Cold piece. She's a cold piece.
2:38:39No, Diane. Yes, you are extremely going
2:38:42to be a wedge cuz as soon as you get
2:38:43access to Chris, you're going to be
2:38:44like, "You didn't really shoot me. You
2:38:46know you didn't shoot me. They just fed
2:38:47you that line. Why is you know, why'd
2:38:49you let Danny believe that? Okay, now go
2:38:51talk to Danny and tell him that, you
2:38:52know, I didn't really shoot you." And
2:38:53then Danny's going to be like, "No, she
2:38:54100% did. Did you see all the evidence?"
2:38:56And then they're going to go go against
2:38:57each other. That is the problem, Diane.
2:38:59That's why you can't talk to your kids.
2:39:02What a
2:39:03idiots.
2:39:10Hey. Yes, Sky Flasher already. So far
2:39:12this is it's all backfiring on her.
2:39:16It won't end well.
2:39:19Are you just telling me people worse,
2:39:21Laurie?
2:39:22So I I have one more question.
2:39:24And again,
2:39:25I'll say it
2:39:26in the description of this video, Suma
2:39:28and Extra Eric, go ahead and sub to
2:39:30them. I don't know why I have to keep
2:39:31even saying it. I even put it in the
2:39:32description. Sub to them already.
2:39:36There are more people subbed to my
2:39:37channel than Extra Eric's than there are
2:39:38to yours that are here, so.
2:39:41Oh my god.
2:39:45Do you believe Oh yeah, I'll take care
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2:39:52I'll stick my finger in you. Oh, you
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2:40:02family channel. Family channel.
2:40:04Yeah. Your recitation of the facts of
2:40:07what happened and and
2:40:09you know, what you perceived with your
2:40:10own eyes. Um
2:40:13You know, the facts as you believe
2:40:15Yeah, what you perceive. Uh the poll uh
2:40:18it's at 45 votes. I'm going to
2:40:20let it go a little bit longer, but fold
2:40:22is winning at 70% to crinkles 30. I
2:40:25would also be a fold, I guess I'd say.
2:40:28Oh, see, you threw off the poll now.
2:40:31No, nobody nobody agrees with anything I
2:40:33say on my own channel. Everyone
2:40:34disagrees with me. That's true, yeah. We
2:40:36do. Take them to
2:40:38I take the most abuse from anyone on the
2:40:40internet.
2:40:43exist. Um when contrasted against the
2:40:47record of the whole as a whole,
2:40:49um
2:40:51do you think that your story is
2:40:53credible?
2:40:55Yes. Duh, of course it is.
2:41:03Yes? Well, I know it's credible. Yeah,
2:41:06of course. Okay. Because it happened. I
2:41:08saw it. I was there.
2:41:10Do I think it's credible
2:41:1440 years in prison, not one thing has
2:41:17changed.
2:41:18>> Nope.
2:41:19>> No.
2:41:20No. credible to other people?
2:41:23No.
2:41:25And I know this is Think of how many
2:41:26people out there with life without
2:41:28parole are being like,
2:41:30"Man, I wish I had just the opportunity
2:41:32to try and go for I would prepare. I
2:41:34would I would nail that." Like they
2:41:35they'd be like, "I'm going to spend 20
2:41:37years preparing and I'm going to say all
2:41:39the right answers." And they hear Diane
2:41:41Downs failing over and over and they're
2:41:43like, "Why why'd you even give her this
2:41:45opportunity? She She's terrible at
2:41:47this." It's going to sound This is one
2:41:48of those times that I sound flip.
2:41:51But given somebody mentioned my
2:41:54intelligence,
2:41:56if I was going to
2:41:58eliminate somebody,
2:42:00She's not stupid. Eliminate.
2:42:03If I was going to eliminate somebody,
2:42:05she's not stupid. She's going to do it
2:42:06right. I certainly would have had enough
2:42:08intelligence to come up with a better
2:42:10plan.
2:42:14I don't even know why people say this
2:42:15anymore. It's It's like the number one
2:42:18stereotype of the murderer. You're like,
2:42:21"If I was going to do this, I would have
2:42:22done it right."
2:42:25What are you talking about?
2:42:27And something that was so bizarre, so
2:42:30unbelievable, so off-the-wall,
2:42:35I didn't make it up.
2:42:38A strange man
2:42:40really shot my children for reasons I
2:42:43cannot fathom.
2:42:46Well, but we can because there's a
2:42:48motive. You could say, "That's not why I
2:42:51didn't do it even though I had a motive
2:42:53according to you."
2:42:54But
2:42:56uh
2:42:58Your your whole thing is that you're so
2:43:00important that the government has files
2:43:01on you.
2:43:04That's it.
2:43:07That's it? Thank you, Mr. Bailey.
2:43:12Thank you. I don't have any questions on
2:43:13this topic.
2:43:16Thank you.
2:43:20Okay, Ms. Downs. Um let's talk about
2:43:23your potential parole plan.
2:43:26Um
2:43:26one of the issues that Dr. Guidon
2:43:29identified was
2:43:30your statement that you plan on earning
2:43:33$200,000
2:43:35by working
2:43:36part-time.
2:43:39Yeah, this is another loanish. I I
2:43:42It's just all these criminals are the
2:43:43exact same level of stupid.
2:43:45Yep.
2:43:47I would say that's ridiculous. Well, no,
2:43:50I mean they talk about like, "Oh, I'm
2:43:51going to go out and get a a small
2:43:52business loan and I'll start a
2:43:53business." Like as if it's that easy.
2:43:55You just get the loan, you start the
2:43:56business. Like they have no idea of
2:43:57competition. Well, I don't want to just
2:43:59get some lame job. Well, they're in
2:44:02prison and they're like, "Yeah, I'm
2:44:03making all these things and these are
2:44:04worth uh $300 a piece when I looked them
2:44:06up online. So I'll just make this many
2:44:08and then I will make this much money."
2:44:10Like
2:44:11Um can you explain to us what exactly
2:44:13you plan on doing that would help you
2:44:16earn that much money?
2:44:19I've been Y'all sent me to trade school.
2:44:23Y'all sent me to trade school.
2:44:25>> I've learned so many trades. Mhm.
2:44:28>> Um
2:44:29My mom recently
2:44:30>> Tell them.
2:44:31And that's what happens usually when you
2:44:32get out of prison, right? After you've
2:44:33gotten all these vocational classes,
2:44:35right? You become a
2:44:37>> that people who come right out of prison
2:44:39have a wonderful time transitioning.
2:44:41Most people become millionaires. They
2:44:43get tons of chicken tendies. They're
2:44:44just swimming in the dough. They're just
2:44:47knocking it out of the park and they're
2:44:48making our baked goods look like [ __ ]
2:44:50Yep.
2:44:53Needed some trees trimmed.
2:44:55Tree trimmer came out,
2:44:57charged her $2,700
2:44:59for 6 hours work.
2:45:01>> woman. Who's going to hire you to trim a
2:45:03tree?
2:45:04And I highly doubt the tree trimmer
2:45:06charged $27
2:45:08$27 to trim some branches. It was
2:45:11probably, I'm guessing, Diane, since you
2:45:14don't understand how the world works
2:45:15right now. It's just like my dad who had
2:45:18a tree in my parents' yard that was
2:45:20dying and ready to die, but you had to
2:45:22get all these permits because the city
2:45:24doesn't want a tree cut down even though
2:45:26it's dead and it will fall into a
2:45:28building. So you had to pay for a $5,000
2:45:30permit to have this tree studied and
2:45:32removed. You're like, "Oh yeah, it is
2:45:34dead." That's why it cost $2,700 to
2:45:36remove branches, not because you
2:45:38wouldn't find somebody to do it for
2:45:39free. You would be committing another
2:45:41crime, Diane. That's it.
2:45:44I was trained in that. I was trained so
2:45:46well that my supervisor, before he quit
2:45:48the prison, offered me a job to work for
2:45:51him. That's what he does for a living
2:45:53and he makes more money doing that than
2:45:54working for CDC. So he offered me a job
2:45:58because
2:45:59I have the skill. I've been trained in
2:46:02all the tools. So I said, "Mom,
2:46:06don't pay anybody any more money to cut
2:46:08trees. I'm going to come home and do it
2:46:09for free." She said, "I just paid a man
2:46:12$2,700 for 6 hours work, but darn well
2:46:14going to pay you." Well, she's not going
2:46:16to pay me and I'm not going to take
2:46:18money from her, but I could do it for
2:46:20somebody else.
2:46:22Yeah, but it'd be illegal.
2:46:24Cuz you have to hire the road crew to
2:46:26come out and cone off the area cuz the
2:46:28tree is coming down because God forbid
2:46:31people can't cut down a tree in their
2:46:33own yard. I Am I going off on a rant on
2:46:36bureaucracy? Yes.
2:46:36>> bit. A little bit. I also Well, you know
2:46:39what, Derek? I want to make out with
2:46:41you.
2:46:41>> That's inappropriate, too.
2:46:43>> I have learned because of my charity, I
2:46:44crochet blankets. I can literally,
2:46:47without exaggeration, I've made 300
2:46:51blankets. Thank you for crocheting a
2:46:53blanket. Relax.
2:46:57She doesn't understand market demand.
2:46:58She's just going to flood the
2:47:00They take the blankets because they're
2:47:02charity gifts. Like they're not going to
2:47:03pay you
2:47:04>> doesn't mean you should.
2:47:06She She thinks because she's able to
2:47:08give away 300 blankets that she made
2:47:11that she could sell 300 just as equally
2:47:14as easily.
2:47:15entire queen-size blanket in one day.
2:47:19The girls that are paroled, the lifers
2:47:21that are paroled from here, went online
2:47:23to find out how much our blankets are
2:47:24worth online cuz we do it for charity.
2:47:28Now, there is something to it. Maybe if
2:47:30you said, "Hey, this is a blanket made
2:47:32by Diane Downs." All those like true
2:47:35crime freaks,
2:47:37not that we know any, right? Would be
2:47:38like, "I own this Diane Downs blanket."
2:47:42Yeah. Those blankets sell for $150 a
2:47:44piece online.
2:47:45Maybe she should start painting clowns.
2:47:48Yeah. I can make
2:47:51$150 a day just crocheting blankets.
2:47:57No.
2:47:58This is not exaggeration. This is not a
2:48:00I'm better than any Yes.
2:48:02>> anybody else. This is She asked the
2:48:04question and I answered the question.
2:48:07These are my skills. I have other
2:48:08skills. I'm an electrician. I'm
2:48:12But also included in that was my mom is
2:48:1583 years old. She's been falling down.
2:48:18She's under the care of a doctor. She
2:48:21could for all I Look at how much money I
2:48:22can make with my mom falling down.
2:48:24>> intents and purposes. What are you
2:48:25talking about, Diane?
2:48:26>> Not even your real mom.
2:48:28Yeah, she's not even your real mom.
2:48:29>> And then then the state would fund her
2:48:32a living caregiver.
2:48:35Okay, there we go. First first nugget of
2:48:38truth. The state will pay me to be a
2:48:40living caregiver so we can grift off the
2:48:42system.
2:48:43I can do that. That was included in
2:48:45that. I'm not going to take money from
2:48:47the state for that. Well, then what then
2:48:49why did you even bring it up?
2:48:51She wanted to know what could I do if I
2:48:54needed to.
2:48:56I don't need to do that. I have There
2:48:58are other things that I can do. I've
2:49:00written five books.
2:49:02I can publish them.
2:49:04There's
2:49:05I have skills. I have craft. I have a
2:49:09certain set of skills.
2:49:10>> bicycles A certain set of skills. I know
2:49:13how to kill my children. Mhm.
2:49:15>> If you leave my daughter alone, people's
2:49:17husbands. that'll be the end of it. I
2:49:20will not find you. I will [ __ ] your
2:49:22husband.
2:49:23I will [ __ ] your husband. Whether or not
2:49:26he wants me to.
2:49:27I can make bicycles from the floor up. I
2:49:29can work in a bicycle She she might as
2:49:32well just said, you know, I can I'm
2:49:33pretty good at convincing men to sleep
2:49:35with me. I could probably make at least
2:49:37$50 on the street
2:49:39every day.
2:49:40I could
2:49:42get a business license. As a as a
2:49:44parolee, I can get a business
2:49:47a loan, a grant from the federal
2:49:50government to start my own business. And
2:49:53because of the skills that I have here
2:49:54and because of the the letters that the
2:49:57prison would write in support A grant
2:49:59isn't a loan. So, she would be taking
2:50:01money from the government, but she wants
2:50:03us to know she's not going to be a drain
2:50:04on the public services.
2:50:06What are you talking about, Diane? Hit
2:50:09that like button, please. We are at 187.
2:50:13Let's get that above 200.
2:50:15>> And to prove that I've done these things
2:50:17for years, I could get a grant to start
2:50:19a business for a bicycle shop. I can do
2:50:21that. I have the skills I
2:50:23She's all over the map. Tree trimming,
2:50:25bicycle shop, home caregiving,
2:50:28uh blanket crocheting. Like, what are
2:50:31you talking about?
2:50:33>> it for 2 years. Keep the officers on
2:50:35their on their wheels all day long. So,
2:50:39these are skills that I can do. She'll
2:50:41probably be the first uh
2:50:45released inmate to be like
2:50:47banned from the office, not from like
2:50:49trespassing, but be like, can you stop
2:50:51sexually harassing our our young
2:50:53lieutenants and officers? She's like,
2:50:55"Hey, young stud." Like like oh my god,
2:50:58this
2:50:59this woman is incredibly old and
2:51:01thinking she's sexual. Yeah.
2:51:04Just put some semen in a baggie. She
2:51:07still thinks she can get pregnant. She's
2:51:10And maybe she can.
2:51:13Nothing surprises me anymore with these
2:51:14[ __ ]
2:51:16Not pie in the sky. It's what I've been
2:51:19doing for years.
2:51:21Who would go into this business with a
2:51:22psycho child killer? Well, that's the
2:51:24that's the thing though. And we live in
2:51:25we live in a very
2:51:28enlightened society now and we all have
2:51:30to focus all of our efforts on
2:51:33trying to make ex-felons
2:51:35successful instead of just helping
2:51:37actual businesses and not raising taxes,
2:51:40but
2:51:42that's just me.
2:51:46Ms. Downs,
2:51:48um Dr. Gayton recommended a high level
2:51:50of supervision. I think earlier you had
2:51:52some
2:51:52>> No, she doesn't need high No [ __ ] Nah.
2:51:55He took You're kidding me.
2:51:56>> some um
2:51:58Can you crochet a website?
2:51:59>> objection to that. Um
2:52:02Do you think you could benefit from a
2:52:04high level of supervision?
2:52:09All right.
2:52:11Diane, don't give the worst answer ever
2:52:13here.
2:52:15Well,
2:52:17I've had a pretty
2:52:17>> Well,
2:52:20Wait, no
2:52:21you got to hear what she says. objection
2:52:23to that. Um
2:52:26Do you think you could benefit from a
2:52:28high level of supervision?
2:52:33Well,
2:52:35I've had a pretty high level of
2:52:36supervision right now and I'm
2:52:37benefiting, I suppose.
2:52:40Diane, if you want to get out of prison
2:52:42and somebody asks you if you can benefit
2:52:44from high level supervision, do not
2:52:46discuss, well, I've had a high level
2:52:48level of supervision in prison and I'm
2:52:50doing pretty well.
2:52:52Especially since you've made several
2:52:54attempts to escape and one
2:52:55>> And several attempts to escape.
2:52:58Diane, do you want to stay in prison?
2:53:00Just
2:53:02Diane, you don't have to do these parole
2:53:04hearings. You could just say at the
2:53:05beginning, I want to stay. I want to
2:53:06stay.
2:53:07>> was talking about how she doesn't want
2:53:09to even have a parole officer for the
2:53:10safety of
2:53:11>> Right, right. I mean, yeah. But she has
2:53:14benefited from high level of supervision
2:53:16in prison.
2:53:18So, it's not that I object to high level
2:53:21supervision.
2:53:24It's
2:53:26my fear that somebody would use that
2:53:29high level supervision to trap me.
2:53:31Oh my god. You know what? Who cares?
2:53:34Take that risk.
2:53:37Very reasonable.
2:53:39>> My supervisor would certainly be aware
2:53:40of it. Makes perfect sense.
2:53:42>> So,
2:53:43I suppose I wouldn't be
2:53:46overly concerned.
2:53:50All right, we're at 188 people. Let's
2:53:52get that above 200. We've got 288 in
2:53:55here. We've got 100 people in here that
2:53:56have not hit the like button. We can get
2:53:58another 12 to avoid what would
2:54:00inevitably happen. It's not the
2:54:02supervision.
2:54:03What? And will destroy our lives. And
2:54:06will destroy our lives.
2:54:07>> That bothers me. That isn't what
2:54:08concerns me.
2:54:10I
2:54:11am not concerned about a high level of
2:54:13supervision.
2:54:16Okay. And um
2:54:21You've talked a lot about your children.
2:54:24Can I ask you if you were to be paroled,
2:54:28uh would you seek contact with them
2:54:32even if the parole board ordered that
2:54:34you may not have contact with them?
2:54:37Okay, well, at least say no. You're not
2:54:39going to
2:54:42No.
2:54:43Thank god you didn't answer in the
2:54:45alternative of like, no, even if you
2:54:47told me I couldn't, I would. Thank god,
2:54:49Diane, you got one easy answer right.
2:54:52>> though? Is she done? No.
2:54:55No.
2:54:56No, even if the parole board didn't
2:54:58order that and said that there were no
2:55:00stipulations, I would not
2:55:03My children have spent the past 37 years
2:55:06building a life that is familiar to
2:55:09them, is comfortable, safe, so that they
2:55:12feel safe, so that they feel loved.
2:55:16And
2:55:18I would
2:55:20I would not No.
2:55:22Weren't she crying earlier just like
2:55:25half hour ago about like, I wish my kids
2:55:27could tell me what they want to tell me,
2:55:29right? I'm so sorry cuz they WANT TO
2:55:31KNOW WHY. WHY, MOM? WHY? WHY DID this
2:55:34happen? I think that's the question she
2:55:36needs to answer even more important.
2:55:37Yes.
2:55:39Diane, this is why you practice. I would
2:55:41not try to seek them out. I would not
2:55:43email them. I would not
2:55:47phone them, text them. I would not try
2:55:51to contact them in any way. And
2:55:55I have written
2:55:58I do I have a letter here. It was about
2:56:01Christie, which is on the record. If
2:56:03they do want to see me, I would ask that
2:56:05they see me through the DA's office.
2:56:10So, that there is a
2:56:11a safe and a controlled venue for them.
2:56:15If they ever want to scream at me, if
2:56:17they want to
2:56:19just talk, if they want to cry, whatever
2:56:22it is that they want to do,
2:56:24I would ask that they contact me through
2:56:26the Lane County District Attorney's
2:56:28Office. Do you think that, let's say
2:56:31with some miracle she was given parole
2:56:33or even in there, if you think that if
2:56:35her one of her kids,
2:56:38adults now contacted her that she would
2:56:40really even want to
2:56:43communicate with them, I wonder?
2:56:45I think so.
2:56:47I think so only for the fact of being
2:56:49like, you know the police lied to you,
2:56:51you right? You right? She would want to
2:56:53find them She would want what she would
2:56:55want to do
2:56:56is she'd want it recorded and she'd want
2:56:59to like find any nugget of a statement
2:57:04or a doubt like something that feeds her
2:57:06narrative, right? So, that
2:57:08>> with the pieces of of ex-Eric's?
2:57:10The worst they're feeling your boobs.
2:57:12>> I'm not What?
2:57:14Ex-Eric, hold on. We're having a serious
2:57:16conversation right here.
2:57:17I'm sorry.
2:57:19She would want to find She would want to
2:57:22record it for maybe for herself,
2:57:24probably not to release it, but just to
2:57:26find anything that she could latch onto
2:57:28in terms of like what like if she met
2:57:30with her daughter, for instance, and
2:57:31saying something like, like I was so
2:57:33confused, right?
2:57:35My daughter said she was confused. She
2:57:36didn't know. And then, you know, went
2:57:38through the whole investigation. Then
2:57:39she named me. And then, you know, or
2:57:41or her daughter said something like, I
2:57:43don't I really don't remember anymore.
2:57:45She doesn't remember. She doesn't know
2:57:46what they what they fed her and she
2:57:48knows that I didn't do it because if she
2:57:51did, she would obviously Who forgets
2:57:52that their mother shot them? She didn't
2:57:54I didn't shoot them because she he
2:57:56doesn't she doesn't remember.
2:57:58Like that kind of stuff. I think that's
2:58:00she would want to do that just for that
2:58:02sake, right? Just for her
2:58:05own narcissism of being
2:58:07her own narcissism wanting to put doubt
2:58:10into her children's head. Yeah, you're
2:58:12probably right. I guess I just thought
2:58:14that she might not really want to be
2:58:16confronted by them because she knows
2:58:18that they know.
2:58:22But she
2:58:24she probably understands that since they
2:58:26since this is so long ago when they were
2:58:28kids, they memory be fuzzy, just like my
2:58:31own memory's fuzzy as a child, right?
2:58:33Like Like so you she would know as a
2:58:36narcissist like she could probably like
2:58:38manipulate them.
2:58:39You know? I want to make out with you.
2:58:41>> X Derek, stop.
2:58:47Anyway. Kiss your finger. Okay.
2:58:51But you you get what I'm saying, right?
2:58:53I think that that is more important to
2:58:54her at this point. Once Once because
2:58:56once she's out it it's not it's not if
2:58:59she's allowed to talk to them it's not a
2:59:00violation, right? So what does she have
2:59:01to lose? Oh, it isn't? I thought it was.
2:59:04>> No, you were saying I thought you were
2:59:05saying in your scenario like if she was
2:59:07released and it wasn't a violation.
2:59:09>> Well Well, what I was saying is if they
2:59:11even reached out to her when she was
2:59:13released or and more realistically while
2:59:16she's whilst incarcerated, I wonder if
2:59:18she would be
2:59:20Oh, while she's
2:59:22While she's incarcerated? Yeah.
2:59:24Yeah, maybe.
2:59:25>> I think she would just ignore them.
2:59:27Yeah. I mean she might or if she did she
2:59:30would write them a letter that addressed
2:59:31none of the things they said in their
2:59:32letter and it was just it would be like
2:59:34an answer that she's giving to the
2:59:36parole board. Right. Uh you don't
2:59:38remember this Christie but in 1984 uh
2:59:40Donald
2:59:41Donald LaDuke or however was was talking
2:59:44to me
2:59:44>> Yeah, yeah.
2:59:45Donald
2:59:46and then Robert Seewer was talking to me
2:59:48about Motown pictures and then it would
2:59:50just be a rambling
2:59:52a rambling nonsense answer.
2:59:55I don't know why I'm so low here. Okay,
2:59:57there we go. Yeah. I I may Yeah, maybe.
3:00:00I I just wonder like
3:00:01I'm just picturing a scenario like your
3:00:03kids want to speak to you, we're going
3:00:05to come visit you, you know, we're going
3:00:07to do a visit with someone like you
3:00:09know, someone who's going to monitor the
3:00:11whole thing or whatever like a person of
3:00:14an FBI guy.
3:00:16>> guy? Mhm. Um I don't think she I don't
3:00:19think she would allow herself to get
3:00:21into that situation.
3:00:22>> either. That's kind of more of what I
3:00:24was that kind of thing.
3:00:25>> would probably accept a one-on-one but
3:00:28FBI guy, no.
3:00:30>> Mhm. Yeah, nobody of
3:00:32like
3:00:33nobody who could possibly have any power
3:00:36or authority. Like she would never I
3:00:38don't think
3:00:39>> witness.
3:00:40Right. I don't think she would like she
3:00:42would agree to a TV interview, right?
3:00:43But she would not agree to a TV
3:00:45interview with
3:00:46herself and a detective or herself and
3:00:49her her children within that same thing
3:00:51like a back and forth like conversation.
3:00:53She would never set herself up to be in
3:00:55that kind of situation.
3:00:58Because all she has is spin.
3:01:01Right and two people who know the truth.
3:01:03That she knows.
3:01:04>> And so I you know, I got this letter.
3:01:06Oh, I forgot it's in my cell. You know,
3:01:07if I could just show it to you. Can I
3:01:08send it to you? I will send it to you
3:01:09after the It actually he said this guy
3:01:12confessed that he did it and uh he knew
3:01:14of all the players but the FBI won't
3:01:16investigate it, right? Just like this
3:01:18nonsense
3:01:22Yeah.
3:01:24I want to suck on your nipples.
3:01:25>> X Derek.
3:01:28I do.
3:01:32See, I think what everyone is
3:01:33inappropriately assuming is that X Derek
3:01:35is talking to Suma when he's really
3:01:37talking to me. No, no. Hear me out. It's
3:01:40pretty clear that he's talking to you.
3:01:41Yeah, okay. It's after I get done
3:01:44talking.
3:01:46It's after I I can't play
3:01:48It's after I stop talking.
3:01:50Yeah, no. It's after I said I stopped
3:01:52talking he says something to me like
3:01:53Right. He's just waiting for an end.
3:01:55Yeah, yeah. I'll stick my finger in you.
3:01:58Hear me out. I'm like, come on, dude.
3:02:00Yeah. Jesus. I can't help myself. for
3:02:03him to talk to me that way but
3:02:09Okay.
3:02:11And
3:02:11>> Okay. Okay. One more thing that the
3:02:14doctor recommended was social skills
3:02:16training.
3:02:18Do you think you need social skills
3:02:20training?
3:02:21No.
3:02:23No.
3:02:25I'm not sure what she means by that and
3:02:27Interaction with other people, Diane.
3:02:29>> So I don't want to pass judgment on on
3:02:31that.
3:02:32I will say that I have lived
3:02:35in a prison with 3,000 women from all
3:02:37walks of life. As I said, six and eight
3:02:39people in a cell.
3:02:41Um different officers. Every officer on
3:02:44every shift has a different set of rules
3:02:46and and
3:02:48that usually conflict with each other
3:02:50and I've been able to navigate that
3:02:55without duress.
3:02:57So I thought you said earlier that you
3:02:59were nervous because you were always
3:03:00going to get your ass beat.
3:03:02Didn't she say that? She's like, I you
3:03:04know, I could die every day in prison. I
3:03:05could get shanked, you know, when I have
3:03:07my hair the wrong way. So what is she
3:03:09talking about without without duress?
3:03:12Diane, write down your answers. Remember
3:03:14them.
3:03:16I don't know what kind of I wish
3:03:19I can talk to her and find out what she
3:03:21means by social skills training.
3:03:24Um
3:03:26haven't cracked anybody in the head,
3:03:28haven't assaulted anybody.
3:03:30That That's
3:03:31That's normal.
3:03:33Haven't become a predator. I haven't
3:03:35needed to resort to um
3:03:37legalized psych meds to get through.
3:03:41Maybe you need them. But yeah, you
3:03:43probably need legalized psych meds to
3:03:46not be insane.
3:03:48So I'm not really sure. I I don't know
3:03:51what she's until I know what she means
3:03:53by socialized training, I don't know
3:03:57what
3:03:59I don't know what you're asking for. I
3:04:00don't know what is on the table. So I
3:04:02don't know I don't know how to respond.
3:04:06Okay.
3:04:08Um
3:04:08>> Okay. Okay.
3:04:10Those are all the questions I have for
3:04:12you about your parole plan.
3:04:15Um Some plan she cobbled together.
3:04:17>> We're at 196. Four away from 200. We're
3:04:20so close.
3:04:21I don't want to do what has to happen
3:04:23after that.
3:04:24>> make him do it. Thank you. Um Miss
3:04:27Crest, do you have any This is going to
3:04:28hurt me more than it's going to hurt
3:04:29you. Question.
3:04:31>> Make other accounts if you have to. Just
3:04:32do it again.
3:04:34I do.
3:04:35Uh so you mentioned
3:04:37just moments ago that you've written
3:04:39five books and you could publish those.
3:04:42I had
3:04:43I I was curious about what what the
3:04:45contents of those books is.
3:04:48They're Each book was written for one
3:04:50each of my kids.
3:04:53Um they're fantasy and science fiction.
3:04:56Uh dragons, trolls,
3:04:59um
3:05:00uh
3:05:02the Valkyrie
3:05:04Valkyrie?
3:05:06If you're writing stories about the
3:05:07Valkyrie, Valkyrie. How do you not even
3:05:10pro
3:05:11like announce it
3:05:13uh correctly? Oh, Jackie wants to know
3:05:16what's the story behind the drums. Well,
3:05:18let's just see.
3:05:20Well, no. Let's see. Let's check the the
3:05:21likes here.
3:05:23We're at 198. Oh, we missed it. Not yet.
3:05:26We're not done yet.
3:05:28What What What do you mean done? You
3:05:31playing it is not going to tell her the
3:05:32story. It's not going to explain
3:05:33anything to her. Uh I think it is
3:05:36self-explanatory.
3:05:37>> Yeah, perhaps you're right.
3:05:39Uh but okay, hold on. I can't find the
3:05:42video. I'll just let it go. But the
3:05:43Valkyrie, Valkyrie.
3:05:46N- N- she's going to say or whatever. I
3:05:49Whatever. Every book has a different
3:05:52different subject
3:05:53>> of my story is. depending on
3:05:55um
3:05:56like for each child.
3:05:59So
3:06:00it's not about the case.
3:06:03It's not about prison. It's not.
3:06:06Um they're just
3:06:09I prefer science fiction and fantasy
3:06:11when I read when I used to read for
3:06:12pleasure and so that's what I feel.
3:06:16201
3:06:18201
3:06:20But hey,
3:06:21didn't it didn't make it before.
3:06:29That's right. That's what I mean by
3:06:31it'll hurt me.
3:06:32>> the story? Yeah, now did you know the
3:06:34story?
3:06:36I know about
3:06:39Valkyrie.
3:06:41And Miss Downes, if you were to release
3:06:43um
3:06:44in the future, what do you think your
3:06:46biggest challenges for
3:06:49transitioning and re-entry into society
3:06:51would be?
3:06:53Uh probably that I didn't take accept
3:06:55responsibility for my crime.
3:06:58My biggest challenge is that y'all
3:07:00changed things after I left. Oh. There's
3:07:03computers now.
3:07:04Oh. Wait a minute. You feel changed
3:07:07things after I left? After you left the
3:07:08free world?
3:07:09>> Y'all changed it.
3:07:11There's your car that needs brand Pretty
3:07:13rude that the world didn't stay the
3:07:14same. I don't know how to bank.
3:07:17These were classes Has banking changed
3:07:19that much?
3:07:20I mean the concept of banking. You got
3:07:22to have enough money in your account to
3:07:23pay for things.
3:07:25It's gotten easy.
3:07:26>> Accountant. You tell us.
3:07:28>> I would say it's gotten easier. It
3:07:29hasn't gotten more difficult. Like you
3:07:31don't have to keep the paper ledger book
3:07:33like balanced checkbook. It's all
3:07:35online. They need to teach the lifers in
3:07:37prison, right? I We still haven't been
3:07:39able to get those started but
3:07:42I need to know how to bank. We We still
3:07:45haven't been able to get those started.
3:07:48She's got a church in her pocket.
3:07:51I need to get a driver's license. I
3:07:52Everything is by computer. I I
3:07:57don't understand But I thought you said
3:07:58you took computer courses to see you
3:08:00now. And electronics courses. And plus
3:08:03you're start planning on starting an
3:08:04e-business I assume by by your crochet
3:08:06thing or she's not even talking about
3:08:08e-business. She's just going to do word
3:08:09of mouth. Yeah, people are just going to
3:08:11come to her. She's going to open up a
3:08:13business front? She's going to open up a
3:08:15business? Diane Downs crochet blankets.
3:08:17Diane Downs suffocating blankets. Yes.
3:08:22any of that.
3:08:25I learned to a computer being a clerk.
3:08:28Blankets so good it will kill you.
3:08:31Kill you not to have one of these.
3:08:35Uh
3:08:38Why is it not playing? There we go. And
3:08:41thank goodness I had another inmate that
3:08:43had been a clerk before me. She taught
3:08:45me. She taught me everything she knew.
3:08:47I'm sure there's a whole lot of things I
3:08:48don't know.
3:08:50A whole lot of things.
3:08:51A whole lot.
3:08:59Yeah, okay.
3:09:02And if you were to release, where would
3:09:04you see yourself, let's say 5 years post
3:09:06release? How do you think your life
3:09:08would be progressing at that time?
3:09:12I'll be Hopefully she'll be dead, but we
3:09:15know she's still alive in 5 years.
3:09:17>> 73
3:09:19Will you use a cane?
3:09:22>> Probably going to need a cane for sure
3:09:24by then. Yeah, cuz you're dying.
3:09:27>> Probably still doing volunteer work.
3:09:30Um that's my goal is to do volunteer
3:09:32work. That's her goal.
3:09:34>> My dad passed.
3:09:36And I have an inheritance.
3:09:39Uh
3:09:40what? And um
3:09:44I got I the
3:09:472010 the parole board told me to save
3:09:48money. I saved money. I got money saved
3:09:51up. So that's enough to get me on my
3:09:54feet to really start with. No. It's It's
3:09:57one of the things she says in the
3:09:58transcript. Makes no sense. Yeah.
3:10:00I mean, I would If If anything, I bet it
3:10:03was when she would say like I $1,500 and
3:10:06like you need to save more money, Diane.
3:10:09Like when you get out because you're
3:10:10going to have to put a deposit a deposit
3:10:12down on an apartment. Like $1,500 is
3:10:14going to last you like a day and a half.
3:10:17Um
3:10:19I was I was
3:10:21I was going
3:10:21>> would make 200,000
3:10:24a year though?
3:10:25Right, but not like the first week.
3:10:29Right, it's not like the first week.
3:10:32Making blankets.
3:10:33Um She's also a princess.
3:10:37She's Anastasia.
3:10:39You just don't know how much money is in
3:10:40that. So and it's something that I do
3:10:42quickly and I do it well. So I know that
3:10:44I would have a steady income. I'm not
3:10:46worried about that. And it's something
3:10:47that a 73-year-old woman can still do.
3:10:51But I also would like to volunteer. I
3:10:55I used I When my first When I first got
3:10:57my job re- refurbishing bicycles.
3:11:01I cut a check and bought a whole bunch
3:11:03of parts because we don't get very many
3:11:06donations. So I bought a bunch of parts,
3:11:08lots of seats, tubes, tires, things to
3:11:10make the bikes new again, paint so the
3:11:12bikes would be new again for the kids.
3:11:15And when I cut the check
3:11:18Mom said, "What are you doing?" And I
3:11:19told her and and she goes, "Oh, we have
3:11:21a whole bunch of those bike bicycles at
3:11:23the Salvation Army." And I said, "Mom,
3:11:25we can go get those bikes. We can
3:11:26refurbish them." She said, "Okay." So
3:11:30"That's charity. You can't sell those.
3:11:32But you can take them What we do here is
3:11:34we take them to the poorest schools in
3:11:36the neighborhood. The We take them to
3:11:37the poorest of the poorest schools.
3:11:39These are kids that will never have
3:11:40bikes. And so Mom and I already talked
3:11:44about I can refurbish the bikes. Now she
3:11:48don't let me go there, but I'm just
3:11:49saying I can refurbish the bikes and we
3:11:52can take them to the different places
3:11:54where the kids We can work with the
3:11:55prisons or with the the sheriff's
3:11:58department, the Right.
3:11:59>> Texas Rangers and find out where the
3:12:01poorest kids are and donate them. What
3:12:03did What did she say? Next Derek, sorry.
3:12:05The Texas Rangers need the bicycles.
3:12:07Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Right. Forget the
3:12:09fact that they're not in Texas, but
3:12:12But eventually she will be. Why though?
3:12:16Do Texas Rangers even ride bikes? It's a
3:12:19horses or cars. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING
3:12:20ABOUT, LADY?
3:12:21>> ALSO, why are they letting her talk?
3:12:24I think it's just fun I I think it's
3:12:26just I I I honestly think it's
3:12:28entertainment factor at this point.
3:12:29They're like like this is You get the
3:12:31conversation You get to let You get the
3:12:33legend of Diane Downs in a parole board
3:12:35hearing after like the first couple
3:12:37you're like, "Man, what is she going to
3:12:38say?" Yeah. Right? Just like
3:12:42Look, I got a letter from Sara Boone.
3:12:44What is this going to say? Right?
3:12:46Or I'm going to let Sara Boone get up on
3:12:48the stand and talk Hey Sara Boone,
3:12:51why don't you talk about what you think
3:12:53should happen, right? Mhm.
3:12:55Okay. Would you want to be let out of a
3:12:57suitcase? I suppose eventually.
3:13:00I guess. Yeah, eventually.
3:13:04What was I doing anything else?
3:13:07That's charity. That's not an income.
3:13:09But that's a 73
3:13:12That's all I would be doing is charity.
3:13:14They're not going to let me do So no
3:13:16income. ditch.
3:13:18I could, but they won't. She'll make her
3:13:21hundreds of thousands like easily and
3:13:23then she could focus on her
3:13:24>> Questions. Ditch digging is very
3:13:26lucrative.
3:13:28It is a lucrative business.
3:13:31Ms. Downs, do you um
3:13:34agree that if required that you would
3:13:38take
3:13:39or participate in counseling programs?
3:13:44Yes.
3:13:45Yeah, I would I would benefit.
3:13:48Are there things that you would object
3:13:50to
3:13:52if the parole board required you to take
3:13:54them?
3:13:56No.
3:13:58No, I I don't know. I can't I can't say
3:14:01until I hear what it is, but
3:14:03I I can't imagine anything any
3:14:06counseling that I've ever objected to
3:14:08yet. In fact, I've enjoyed it and
3:14:11um been liberating.
3:14:13Liberating.
3:14:13>> In your parole plan, you know, listed,
3:14:15you know, three options for your
3:14:18reentry.
3:14:20And I think I know which one would be
3:14:22number one, but can you um describe for
3:14:25the board what would be your number one
3:14:27reentry for housing
3:14:30upon release if released?
3:14:33My number one is Mom.
3:14:35It's going to take care of Mom. That's
3:14:37my number one.
3:14:39Um
3:14:42Number two?
3:14:45Yes.
3:14:47Number two, uh the Veterans Transition
3:14:49Center here in um Monterey.
3:14:54Um
3:14:55They have accepted me.
3:14:57Um last
3:15:00last year or 2 years ago, I guess. No,
3:15:02it was last year. They accepted me. They
3:15:04said, "All we need to do is know what
3:15:05day to come pick you up." So I went
3:15:08through all the procedures. They also
3:15:09have the self-help programs that you
3:15:11talk about. They have 58 military
3:15:13volunteers
3:15:15that um they teach the classes and and
3:15:18different things. So they do have those
3:15:20programs that you were talking about.
3:15:22Right there.
3:15:22>> Yeah. Go ahead.
3:15:24That Diane's
3:15:27basically number one choice
3:15:29is to live on a military base
3:15:32surrounded by soldiers and she thinks
3:15:35soldiers are only men.
3:15:38Which she says in a later sentence. So
3:15:41she wants to be surrounded by a bunch of
3:15:43men in uniform when she gets out of
3:15:46prison. That's going to be her ideal
3:15:49place to live. Yeah.
3:15:51Of course. All right. And also I'm going
3:15:54to dip out. It's uh 12:30. Yeah.
3:15:57>> Well,
3:15:58he might still make some verbal
3:16:00comments. I don't know.
3:16:01>> being Yeah, apparently I'm still going
3:16:03to keep talking. So I want to move my
3:16:05hands down to your skirt or pants.
3:16:09Remember to kiss your finger.
3:16:12I didn't play this one yet. I'll lick
3:16:14your [ __ ] OH MY GOD!
3:16:17EX DEREK! WHAT IS THAT?
3:16:23THAT'S DISGUSTING.
3:16:25I'm sorry. Diane's just too Yeah, Diane
3:16:28is
3:16:29>> tantalizing.
3:16:30She's titillating.
3:16:33Good night, Ex Derek.
3:16:34>> Good night, Ex Derek. Rose. Rose, kissy
3:16:37face heart eyes. Kissy heart eyes.
3:16:42on the base. It's on the Fort Worth
3:16:44base.
3:16:46Counselor Ray wants the base on I think
3:16:48that would be an excellent program
3:16:50for you because of their success rate.
3:16:53Yeah. And the fact that
3:16:56And the fact that, you know, it was
3:16:58discussed earlier the
3:17:00that you need those social skills.
3:17:04And obviously being incarcerated for 37
3:17:07years
3:17:09and living in a
3:17:12living situation
3:17:15with other women is not the same as
3:17:17being out in society. I'll say. And so
3:17:20those social skills
3:17:23are skills that you'll need to navigate
3:17:26society cuz as you said, the world has
3:17:29changed.
3:17:30And I think that going through a
3:17:33From what I understand, it it could be a
3:17:3520 up to 24 month
3:17:37transition period if you were to be
3:17:40housed there.
3:17:41Yeah.
3:17:42Doesn't mean you couldn't communicate
3:17:44with your mother, but
3:17:45Right. I would If you were paroled, I
3:17:48would highly advocate for
3:17:51making that your number one choice.
3:17:55I would not I would be agreeable to
3:17:57that. I would not be opposed to that. I
3:17:59think that there are
3:18:01Your screen's doing things. Okay. I
3:18:03think that there are are benefits to
3:18:05that. They are military men and women
3:18:08that
3:18:09um
3:18:10they're already structured and uh
3:18:14they
3:18:15have been living in the real world. So
3:18:18yes, I agree. I think their program
3:18:20would be beneficial.
3:18:23Yeah. um just one comment um
3:18:26you said that you would not seek
3:18:29to communicate with your children
3:18:32unless it was approved by
3:18:36the authorities and your kids agreed to
3:18:38it.
3:18:39I would um also
3:18:42take that
3:18:43a step further.
3:18:45You talked about books that you could
3:18:47publish
3:18:49and that the books were based on your
3:18:51children
3:18:52and I don't know since they're science
3:18:55fiction if your children would be named
3:18:57in those books.
3:18:59Sometimes Sometimes even when names
3:19:01aren't given
3:19:03by the fact that they're written by you.
3:19:06Yeah, no no no no no.
3:19:08Okay.
3:19:08>> No. They would never Nobody would ever
3:19:11recognize any of my children in the
3:19:13books ever. No. Uh
3:19:15It Okay.
3:19:16>> No. I just want to make sure that if
3:19:17your kids read them
3:19:20that they would not recognize
3:19:22themselves.
3:19:25No.
3:19:26No.
3:19:27No. Because
3:19:28>> give them You can't
3:19:30Well No, cuz it's not about my kids. I
3:19:32don't give a [ __ ] about them.
3:19:35I just wrote it for them. Molly point
3:19:37>> Because I wanted to make sure I went
3:19:39through all the books to make sure.
3:19:41No. None of them
3:19:43would even parallel them. I didn't write
3:19:45the books about the kids. I wrote the
3:19:47books for the kids because
3:19:50I wanted to publish I want to publish
3:19:51the books and designate the money to
3:19:54them. So, the publishing house could
3:19:57send the money directly to them.
3:19:59Not to me. So, when I said write the
3:20:01books for the kids, I didn't mean that
3:20:02they were about the kids. It was for the
3:20:05kids.
3:20:06Okay. Yeah, my my my comment was going
3:20:09to be it's a slippery slope.
3:20:11Yeah.
3:20:12And so, just be careful, you know, if
3:20:14you were to go down that road
3:20:17that your kids
3:20:19if it's important that they were on
3:20:20board with that.
3:20:22Yeah. No no no. It's not about them at
3:20:24all. It And that's why I'm like,
3:20:27"No.
3:20:28There's nobody in the book that even
3:20:29resembles them."
3:20:30So. No.
3:20:32>> Thank you. That's all the questions I
3:20:33have for you.
3:20:35Ms. Lara.
3:20:40Um
3:20:41So, Ms. Downs, earlier you and I talked
3:20:43about your fears um for safety and
3:20:45release for yourself, for your family,
3:20:47for others. Um we talked about all you
3:20:50know, you're admitting paranoia
3:20:51surrounding those fears. So, my question
3:20:54First question is, what is your plan to
3:20:56deal with those fears uh when they crop
3:20:59up inside of you if you were to be
3:21:00released?
3:21:03Okay. Do you see
3:21:05my demeanor changed after Mr. Taylor
3:21:08said that he preferred the military
3:21:10base.
3:21:12I smiled because as much as I want to go
3:21:15home and take care of Mom
3:21:17I believe that if I went there first
3:21:20that would make my parents my mom safer.
3:21:23So, it it
3:21:26That immediately gets rid of a whole lot
3:21:28of paranoia right there.
3:21:31Because even if this is my imagination,
3:21:34even if this is just some some crazy
3:21:36person
3:21:38saying things to make me feel insecure
3:21:41living
3:21:43on the Fort Worth military base, which
3:21:44isn't It isn't fenced. That's not the
3:21:46point. Living there with other
3:21:48military-minded people
3:21:51makes me feel safe, number one. Makes me
3:21:54feel that if somebody was wanting to
3:21:56hurt me
3:21:57they know where to find me
3:21:59and not at Mom's house. So, it it
3:22:02relieves my
3:22:04it like takes my paranoia down to 0.5,
3:22:08like almost nothing, simply because of
3:22:10that. Mom will be safer if I'm at Fort
3:22:12Worth.
3:22:14My brother will be safer. My my family
3:22:16will be safer.
3:22:18And
3:22:20I would be safer. I I'm I'm good with
3:22:23it. I'm
3:22:24I feel better. I
3:22:26a lot better.
3:22:28So.
3:22:30Jaquere
3:22:32Jaquere
3:22:34Arms Jaquere
3:22:36Jackie? I'm I I can't I can't read every
3:22:40Jackie Armstrong.
3:22:42You gave a new member. Welcome.
3:22:44Yeah. Okay. So, then I guess the flip
3:22:46side So, say that you paroled Yeah, it
3:22:49it's Ku Klux. These are all Ku Klux.
3:22:52>> the
3:22:52to Mom's house. What do you What's your
3:22:54plan to deal with that fear that you
3:22:57feel?
3:22:59My See, my fellow I feel very alone up
3:23:02here.
3:23:03I just got to be
3:23:04bombarded with uh X Derek's comments.
3:23:08Um I want to start feeling your boobs.
3:23:11That's inappropriate, X Derek.
3:23:14First time.
3:23:15What? I made it back just in time. Okay,
3:23:18good.
3:23:19point of duty is to get
3:23:22Earlier you asked who I thought was
3:23:24preying on us.
3:23:26Yes. Yes, Diane. Answer this.
3:23:28>> order is to get a restraining order
3:23:30against that person. Okay, that that's
3:23:33not a good answer, Diane. You're going
3:23:35to get a restraining order on the person
3:23:36the first thing you do when you get out?
3:23:38This is how you're going to adapt like
3:23:40melt back into society and and disappear
3:23:42from everyone? You're going to start
3:23:43asking for restraining orders? And do we
3:23:45know exactly why she's in danger?
3:23:49Uh because somebody tried to kill her
3:23:51kids and set her up for life in prison.
3:23:53So, obviously she's in danger.
3:23:56And do we know why she's saying this?
3:23:58What her point is?
3:24:00To prove that she wasn't the one that
3:24:02shot her kids. I mean, you'd think that
3:24:04just to keep her safe it would be a good
3:24:05reason just to keep her incarcerated,
3:24:07no? Well, that's I mean, that is
3:24:09ultimately what they would end up doing,
3:24:11but uh
3:24:12Diane is so committed to the lie that uh
3:24:16restraining res- restraining order
3:24:18against who? Well, as soon as the FBI
3:24:20guys figured out and tell them tell her
3:24:22who it is, then she'd apply for the
3:24:24restraining orders and then she's going
3:24:25to put up the signs like uh Texas
3:24:27Rangers on call.
3:24:30The bushy man quilt mafia. Yes.
3:24:34>> Even if that's even if it doesn't
3:24:36even if it's wrong, even if it's
3:24:38imaginary, to get a restraining order
3:24:41and then to notify the police and have
3:24:42them on speed dial.
3:24:44Okay, well, that doesn't sound like
3:24:45you're going to be not a burden on
3:24:47public services, Diane. We shouldn't let
3:24:49you out. Why don't you just say all the
3:24:52worst things in your parole hearing as
3:24:53possible? Oh, wait, you're already doing
3:24:55it. Thank you, Diane.
3:24:58Uh
3:24:59Once again, never do this in your parole
3:25:00hearing.
3:25:07And
3:25:08that's it.
3:25:11I mean, what else can I do? Be aware of
3:25:13my surroundings anytime I leave the
3:25:15house? Make sure that I'm aware which
3:25:17prison has taught me to do anytime you
3:25:19leave the unit. You look and you feel
3:25:22and you watch. So.
3:25:25And that's it. Uh a restraining order
3:25:27and
3:25:28let the state police know that I have
3:25:30fears, real or unfounded, I have fears
3:25:33and
3:25:36I might be calling you. Please take it
3:25:38seriously, at least the first time.
3:25:40At least the first time.
3:25:43Okay. And what is your plan um if the
3:25:46evidence presented at hearing, you know,
3:25:48the judge won't grant the restraining
3:25:50order or the state police
3:25:52tell you
3:25:53go away. What do you want me
3:25:56Yeah, for maybe 200 I could do the
3:25:58circuit sitting and we could do that
3:26:00ourselves, probably.
3:26:03If you could all please mute your
3:26:04phones, whoever's talking, please.
3:26:08Oh my gosh.
3:26:09It's okay. We didn't hear anything.
3:26:13She's such an [ __ ]
3:26:15Somebody leaned on the button, I think.
3:26:17I muted myself. Okay, so I'll ask the
3:26:19question again. So, what's the plan, you
3:26:20know, if if you're not granted that
3:26:21restraining order, if the state police
3:26:23don't help you, how are you going to
3:26:24handle those feelings inside of you and
3:26:26that fear? What are you going to do?
3:26:29Well, the feelings that I will get
3:26:30counseling for anyway, no matter where I
3:26:32am.
3:26:33So, counseling, definitely. I think as
3:26:36time goes by, if nothing happens, which
3:26:39would be awesome, then
3:26:43it will resolve itself in time. I mean,
3:26:45if if my fears and my paranoia
3:26:50is is based on provocation and the
3:26:53provocation stops, then there you go.
3:26:57Um Mom has The only
3:27:00The only phone number anybody has is a
3:27:03landline.
3:27:04And at Mom's house. And Mom says the day
3:27:07I come home, she's getting rid of the
3:27:09landline. So, we can't have phone call
3:27:12provocation.
3:27:13Uh mailbox provocation, it will go
3:27:16straight to the FBI
3:27:17complete with fingerprints and DNA.
3:27:20So.
3:27:22That also would make me feel secure.
3:27:25And because even if nobody's doing
3:27:26anything
3:27:28just like it's the illusion of evil,
3:27:31maybe there's the illusion of good and
3:27:32they can all just
3:27:35And then but I don't have to
3:27:38My frustration in here is my hands are
3:27:41tied.
3:27:42I have no access to to finding out if
3:27:45this is true or not true.
3:27:47And so
3:27:49I have no way of knowing if anybody's
3:27:51doing anything about it. For all I know,
3:27:53the FBI is and they're not going to tell
3:27:55me any more than I'm going to give a
3:27:57name to
3:27:59the people right here.
3:28:00So, but once I'm out and I have a visual
3:28:04and I sit in the office with an FBI
3:28:07agent and he goes, "Ms. Downs, really?
3:28:10Come on."
3:28:12Maybe that will make me feel better.
3:28:14But for sure psychological counseling,
3:28:17for sure.
3:28:19Okay.
3:28:20Uh thank you very much, Mr. Bailey.
3:28:24I think you've already covered um in
3:28:25this topic what I was going to ask, so I
3:28:27don't have any additional questions.
3:28:33All right, thank you.
3:28:36Um
3:28:38Ms. Downs, can I ask you I don't know
3:28:42were you planning on asking um either
3:28:46your brother or your niece to speak
3:28:47today?
3:28:51To ask them? No. No, okay.
3:28:55I hadn't made arrangements for them.
3:28:57They wrote letters and I think that
3:28:58pretty much covers it. Okay. I have read
3:29:00the letters
3:29:02um and I'm sure the other board members
3:29:03have as well. So, thank you. I just
3:29:05wanted to clarify cuz I know he's
3:29:07listening in.
3:29:09Yeah. Okay.
3:29:11Um
3:29:13normally at this part of the hearing um
3:29:16we'd ask any victims or victims'
3:29:18representatives to make a statement to
3:29:20the the board.
3:29:22Um
3:29:23no victims have come forward to express
3:29:27an interest in making a statement today.
3:29:30However, I want you to know that the
3:29:32board does um keep the victims in mind
3:29:36when we hold these hearings and when we
3:29:39deliberate.
3:29:41Next, pursuant to ORS 144.120
3:29:45subsection 7,
3:29:47the district attorney from the
3:29:48committing juris- jurisdiction shall
3:29:50have the right to appear at any hearing
3:29:52and may present information or evidence
3:29:55subject to such reasonable rules as
3:29:57imposed by the officers conducting the
3:29:59hearing.
3:30:01I believe we have a deputy district
3:30:03attorney from Lane County, Ms. Miller.
3:30:06All right, so this is the part we've
3:30:07been waiting for. This payoff of this
3:30:10uh takedown by a a cognizant person who
3:30:13has been listening to this entire
3:30:15[ __ ]
3:30:16is going to put Diane in her place.
3:30:18Sorry, my chair is failing me one sec.
3:30:22This is This is probably one of the most
3:30:23satisfying
3:30:25prosecutorial statements ever. Here we
3:30:27go. On the phone or perhaps via Skype,
3:30:31Ms. Miller, can you hear us?
3:30:34I can and I'm uh listening to you via my
3:30:37phone, which is now been unmuted, and do
3:30:39you hear me okay? I do hear you okay,
3:30:42Ms. Miller.
3:30:43Um whenever you're ready, if you choose
3:30:45to do so, you may make a statement on
3:30:47behalf of the committing jurisdiction.
3:30:52I appreciate that. Thank you. And board
3:30:54members, uh my name is JoAnn Miller, and
3:30:56I am a a senior
3:30:57uh deputy district attorney here in Lane
3:30:59County, and I'll be speaking on behalf
3:31:01of the Lane County District Attorney's
3:31:03Office uh to surviving uh victim family
3:31:06members
3:31:07um in regards to the hearing today.
3:31:10I just want to talk to I don't want to
3:31:11belabor the the point uh that I we had
3:31:14already that I had already made in in
3:31:16writing in addressing the board, but but
3:31:19it's it's important to touch upon some
3:31:21of those concerns because they
3:31:24uh So, they'd writ- she'd written the
3:31:26board beforehand saying, "Hey, all the
3:31:29these are all problematic issues." And
3:31:31then nothing Diane said
3:31:33uh alleviated those concerns. Go figure.
3:31:35>> they exist even after uh today's
3:31:38questioning, and it seems to me at least
3:31:41that we're we're sort of ex- exactly
3:31:43where we started. Uh and what I mean by
3:31:46that is with regard to the disorder it
3:31:49is apparent that the uh that Ms. Downs
3:31:51is suffering from mentally, it seems as
3:31:54though we are exactly where we started
3:31:56when the when the crimes occurred
3:31:58initially, and that is to say
3:32:01uh and as well as all the psychological
3:32:03reports which have been consistent
3:32:06uh throughout uh in diagnosis,
3:32:09specifically, you know, narcissistic
3:32:11personality
3:32:12uh self-centered, manipulative, uh and
3:32:15other other antisocial features. It it
3:32:18appears to the state based on this 36 37
3:32:22years worth of history that we are
3:32:23exactly where we started with that, with
3:32:25zero progress, zero accountability,
3:32:29uh and just about 100% unending effort
3:32:34uh
3:32:34to actively deceive any body or agency
3:32:39that will listen to Ms. Downs, um and
3:32:43and not nothing has changed in that
3:32:46regard. And so, the state's position is
3:32:49that that is what originally uh
3:32:53made her dangerous, that hasn't changed.
3:32:56The state's position is that uh Ms.
3:32:58Downs remains dangerous because of that.
3:33:01Um
3:33:01there has been
3:33:03today some questions that also lend
3:33:06itself toward to that. And part of that
3:33:10is we go back to some of the initial
3:33:12questions, such as what was what what
3:33:15thinking drove your criminal decisions
3:33:16because Ms. Downs had talked to you
3:33:18about going to some of those uh the
3:33:20criminal
3:33:22thinking error classes.
3:33:24And her response to you was, "Well, I I
3:33:27minimized and I and I justified."
3:33:30Yeah. But when questioned further about
3:33:33that, the minimization and justification
3:33:36was with regard to um
3:33:39uh others, not even her, maybe stealing
3:33:41from the child hall. Um and the only
3:33:43thing she really talked about in terms
3:33:44of justification was that she had wooden
3:33:46wooden shelves
3:33:48uh
3:33:48So,
3:33:50these the comparison between having an
3:33:52unauthorized wooden shelf
3:33:55and
3:33:56shooting your own children within that
3:33:59close range, within 9 in with a firearm,
3:34:02is is is is absurd. That there's no
3:34:04comparison there. So,
3:34:06we've gotten nowhere. The question uh
3:34:11So, the DA is basically saying, "Hey,
3:34:13it's exactly like we were in 1984."
3:34:14Which anyone who listens to these would
3:34:17uh
3:34:18naturally draw the conclusion that yes,
3:34:20we are exactly like we were in 1984. Um
3:34:23she's made up more like ridiculous
3:34:25details, but she has not changed at all.
3:34:29Ms. Dixon, uh
3:34:30Yeah. I mean, the the DA sounds
3:34:33exasperated. Like like she's flipping
3:34:34You can hear her flipping between the
3:34:36pages of notes. I I wonder how fast she
3:34:38was scribbling down being like, "Are you
3:34:39kidding me? These are her answers?"
3:34:41Yeah. I think she's like, "Is it Are you
3:34:43[ __ ] Is this a joke?" Like Why are we
3:34:46still talking?
3:34:48regarding escape attempts and criminal
3:34:50thinking errors. If she didn't get
3:34:53caught, there was no criminal thinking
3:34:55error, right?
3:34:59Yeah. Yep, that does sound right because
3:35:02she said she only tried to escape one
3:35:04time.
3:35:05And there's no criminal thinking on the
3:35:06other escape attempts.
3:35:08And this is what she explains to you. Do
3:35:10you Do you know she says the only
3:35:12criminal thinking error I made was the
3:35:14time uh that I was actually caught
3:35:16because she's defeated. But even when
3:35:19she answers that question for you, it's
3:35:21really not she's really not talking
3:35:23about criminal thinking error. She talks
3:35:25to you about um she had had no hope,
3:35:28lost her appeal, and didn't care you
3:35:31know, if she got caught going over the
3:35:32over the fence. So, none of these really
3:35:35go at all to to a criminal thinking
3:35:37error, just
3:35:39uh a remorse for having been been
3:35:41caught.
3:35:42Um and so, the there's again there's
3:35:45there's no accountability. So, there can
3:35:48be no change. There's been no
3:35:49self-reflection.
3:35:51And um and the error
3:35:55Downs believes she made was in getting
3:35:57caught.
3:35:59Um after an 8-hour evaluation with a
3:36:02psychologist whom she invites to
3:36:05uh write a book about her, um you talked
3:36:07to her about that evaluation.
3:36:10And about these sort of these
3:36:13fantastical uh components to her
3:36:16responses.
3:36:18And
3:36:19the Down- Ms. Downs continues to uh to
3:36:23tell anyone who will listen the that the
3:36:26story is evolving, the story's evolving
3:36:28because I'm hearing through third
3:36:30parties um
3:36:32somebody else tell me these things.
3:36:34Um and so, it it's it's just a a
3:36:37continuation
3:36:39uh of conspiracy theory. And when
3:36:41presented and confronted with that with
3:36:43conspiracy theory questions, the
3:36:46response is further conspiracy.
3:36:49Um
3:36:50and
3:36:51uh
3:36:52at one point uh
3:36:54she's asked
3:36:56uh
3:36:58about the There's this intentional
3:37:01misunderstanding of the questions that
3:37:03are
3:37:04posed to her. And one of those you you
3:37:06ask about your your dialing in a little
3:37:09bit on on this uh perception from the
3:37:12psychologist, and Ms. Downs responds to
3:37:16you that um
3:37:18well, see, the psychologist made the
3:37:20choice
3:37:23to misconstrue my positive attitude, the
3:37:26positive attitude that I've had while
3:37:27I've been incarcerated,
3:37:29and um
3:37:30as as this
3:37:32uh
3:37:33as the basis for the psychological
3:37:34disorder. So, this is again is a
3:37:36minimization. It's it's intended to
3:37:39uh distract the listener and move the
3:37:41listener away from her accountability.
3:37:44And this is uh uh uh
3:37:46a minimization uh of her violent her own
3:37:49violent uh involvement.
3:37:54When she talks about uh
3:37:56criminal thinking errors, she talks to
3:37:58you quite a bit about seeing criminals
3:37:59everywhere, having been
3:38:00institutionalized with criminals. Again,
3:38:03there's a separation. She wants to
3:38:04distance you, the listener, from her and
3:38:07the other criminals that she does see
3:38:09within the institution and the criminal
3:38:11thinking error classes that she takes.
3:38:14Uh Often she finds
3:38:16she
3:38:17the other criminals, not her, but other
3:38:19criminals within the institution do
3:38:20share some of the characteristics that
3:38:22she's learning about, but again not her.
3:38:24And there's again this this distance. So
3:38:26there's zero insight into her her own
3:38:29thinking errors.
3:38:30And the the most absurd one, of course,
3:38:32is the fact that she's apologizing and
3:38:35appearing to be emotionally distraught
3:38:38today now for the first time before you
3:38:40because she's sorry that she put her
3:38:43kids in the car
3:38:45to go driving after 10:00 p.m. in the
3:38:47evening. And that's that's of course
3:38:49absurd because
3:38:50um
3:38:51the the criminal thinking error is not
3:38:54that she drove in a vehicle after dark
3:38:56with her children. The criminal thinking
3:38:58error, of course, is shooting her
3:39:00children
3:39:01No, it's
3:39:05She's saying she was a careless woman
3:39:08and now she's no longer care- careless
3:39:10and that was the criminal thinking.
3:39:13close range
3:39:14uh killing one of them. So so that's the
3:39:16the uh
3:39:18the degree to which
3:39:20Ms. Downs desires to distance the
3:39:22listener, the board,
3:39:23uh other agencies from from her crimes.
3:39:27Uh
3:39:28in in moving through some of the notes
3:39:31the uh briefly here just through some
3:39:32additional notes from today and
3:39:39Mr. Taylor asked a great question today
3:39:42about uh the the brokenness
3:39:46uh Ms. Downs uh referenced experiencing
3:39:48in herself.
3:39:50And all of the explanations in answer uh
3:39:54to Mr. Taylor's questions were about
3:39:57survival mechanisms in in prison or
3:39:59within the institution or good memories
3:40:02of her children or how she's learned to
3:40:04think uh quickly and think on her feet.
3:40:07And so these are all narcissistic
3:40:09responses from the state's perspective.
3:40:12There's nothing From the state's
3:40:13perspective, not from reality.
3:40:16Just cuz they happen to all be about
3:40:17her. in that answer about brokenness
3:40:21that would lead the listener to believe
3:40:23that any of that comes from the pain
3:40:24suffered by her children for being from
3:40:27being shot
3:40:28by their mothers.
3:40:32When uh you questioned Ms. Downs about
3:40:36uh these letters she receives, she she
3:40:38is actively engaging with uh folks who
3:40:41she sometimes terms as nutjobs and and
3:40:44sometimes as folks that are at least
3:40:46believable enough she wants she feels
3:40:48the onus that's been put upon her to
3:40:50forward those uh communications to
3:40:52agencies like the FBI and so forth.
3:40:55But but she says in response to some
3:40:58questions around that that it's not that
3:41:01she's not a danger because of that and
3:41:04um she says she's not a danger uh for
3:41:06violence because as she said, quote, I'm
3:41:08in I'm in prison. And that's
3:41:10I mean ultimately it uh
3:41:12the state would would agree with that.
3:41:14She's not in danger for the kind of
3:41:16violence that she committed because she
3:41:19is in prison and
3:41:22um
3:41:24when Ms. Downs talks about this she
3:41:27continually being preyed upon, it's by a
3:41:30they and there were
3:41:33numerous occasions today where
3:41:36she has been specifically asked about,
3:41:38you know, who is is preying on you? And
3:41:40most times the response is is this they.
3:41:44So again distancing uh the listener and
3:41:47moving as far away from her crime as she
3:41:50as she can.
3:41:52Uh
3:41:57You touched upon some of this there at
3:41:58the end of your hearing, but when asked
3:41:59about safety concerns upon her release,
3:42:02um Ms. Downs talked to
3:42:04a little bit about that, but ultimately
3:42:06asked you to to
3:42:08her preference would be to be released
3:42:10without supervision. So that that's
3:42:13significant uh for the state. Um
3:42:18the again the response as it when you
3:42:20ask her why it's it's because she's
3:42:22she's learned to be paranoid within the
3:42:24institution.
3:42:26Um
3:42:28and that's
3:42:29you know, the most of the times that she
3:42:32has acted in terms of sending
3:42:34information off to the FBI and so forth
3:42:36and to the board and to the DA's office
3:42:39um is because she claims that she fears
3:42:42fears for others. So it it's just part
3:42:44of of this fantasy because she was
3:42:46confronted directly today by the board
3:42:48member about that. There's there
3:42:50everyone's fine. There's no no one has
3:42:52asked or anyone and the only one that
3:42:53appears to be um caught up in these
3:42:55fantasies is is you, Ms. Downs, uh
3:42:59essentially. And why do you why do you
3:43:01think you attract that mystery and
3:43:02drama?
3:43:04And again the the response is, you know,
3:43:07I I don't know. For for 37 years they've
3:43:09they've preyed on me. And so um
3:43:12basically her response is in every
3:43:14instance
3:43:16is a furthering of the conspiracy. Uh I
3:43:18don't know why they are after me. I'm
3:43:20going to get to the bottom of this. And
3:43:22none of that speaks to any
3:43:24self-reflection or
3:43:27So I guess this is why you don't make up
3:43:28[ __ ]
3:43:29for decades when you're trying to get
3:43:31out of prison.
3:43:33Right? Yeah.
3:43:35I guess.
3:43:35>> What
3:43:36I mean
3:43:37who who would have known this would have
3:43:39gone badly. going through her mind at
3:43:41the time she committed these crimes or
3:43:43the horrific result
3:43:45um experienced and suffered by her
3:43:46children.
3:43:54She's pissed cuz she could have been
3:43:55somebody. MHM.
3:43:58I COULD HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY. There is
3:43:59nobody what she is.
3:44:01One moment, please.
3:44:04Good night, Joe. And a contender.
3:44:07Could have been a contender.
3:44:12And so I have some pages
3:44:15I just I I simply want to finish by
3:44:18saying and urging the board
3:44:24not to become engaged
3:44:27by Ms. Downs
3:44:29or these
3:44:30fantasies or conspiracies, but to see
3:44:32them for what they are, which is
3:44:35a way
3:44:37for the inmate to distance herself from
3:44:39these crimes.
3:44:40Um it's only others to believe that
3:44:42she's
3:44:43suddenly safe to be released into the
3:44:46community and even without supervision.
3:44:49Um and
3:44:51and from the state's perspective that
3:44:53that would be um
3:44:55as improper today as it is it would have
3:44:58been at the time, you know, upon the
3:44:59receiving of of of the guilty verdict
3:45:01and sentencing. It because we have
3:45:04gotten exactly nowhere um with regard to
3:45:07any sort of rehabilitation.
3:45:09I appreciate you taking the time to
3:45:12listen. Thank you.
3:45:15Thank you, Ms. Miller.
3:45:17Um did the board members have any
3:45:19questions for her?
3:45:23No, Vicky.
3:45:25I have one question and I
3:45:28um DDA Miller, the the only thing I
3:45:31wanted to know is can you confirm
3:45:34what um your office's final
3:45:38understanding of the motive was in this
3:45:41case?
3:45:43Well, there was 6 weeks' worth of
3:45:45testimony and evidence presented to the
3:45:47to the jury in this case, you know, who
3:45:49found found Ms. Downs guilty beyond a
3:45:51reasonable doubt of murdering one of her
3:45:53children and attempting to murder the
3:45:54other two. Part of that evidence was the
3:45:57fact that they had um uncovered
3:46:00communications and so forth between Ms.
3:46:02Downs um and a love interest who did not
3:46:06was not interested in in having children
3:46:08or raising children.
3:46:09And of course at the time um she had
3:46:11three children. So if if if uh
3:46:15uh
3:46:15if that's your question with regard to
3:46:17motive, then that was part of that
3:46:19evidence.
3:46:20I hope that helps.
3:46:22And then I just wanted to get kind of,
3:46:24you know, cuz I I read through all the
3:46:25documents, but I just wanted to
3:46:26understand what your office's
3:46:28perspective of the final kind of
3:46:29decisive motive was.
3:46:34But I I I think I got it. Thank you.
3:46:37Yeah, and the fact-finder used
3:46:39information and evidence and some of
3:46:41that evidence pertain to uh a
3:46:45sort of a love interest who Ms. Downs
3:46:47was sort of uh involved in an obsession
3:46:49with and who did not want and was not
3:46:51interested in in having children. Um and
3:46:54those communications
3:46:55resulted in some evidence in that
3:46:57regard. And then of course um
3:46:59fantasy uh with Ms. Downs surrounding
3:47:02that.
3:47:06Thank you. Okay. And I don't believe I
3:47:10saw the other board members shake their
3:47:11head when I asked if there were other
3:47:13questions. So I don't believe there are
3:47:14any more questions for Ms. Miller.
3:47:18Okay.
3:47:19Seeing none, thank you, Ms. Miller. Uh
3:47:21we appreciate your participation.
3:47:24Ms. Downs, um you have
3:47:27um the opportunity to respond to Ms.
3:47:30Miller's comments. If you choose to do
3:47:32so, please direct your comments to the
3:47:33board and not to Ms. Miller herself.
3:47:39Uh
3:47:40no.
3:47:41Okay.
3:47:43Uh well, we will also give you the
3:47:45chance to make closing statement if you
3:47:47choose to make closing statement.
3:47:49Um
3:47:51so if you do want to make a closing
3:47:53statement, whenever you're ready,
3:47:55uh please do so
3:47:57before the board deliberates on your
3:47:58case.
3:48:05Uh
3:48:08My closing statement is
3:48:12I'm 65.
3:48:14I've been in prison almost 37 years.
3:48:18I have
3:48:21reflected. I
3:48:24Contrary to popular belief, I've done
3:48:26nothing but reflect. I've spent many,
3:48:28many years in ad seg all by myself,
3:48:31single-celled, and that's gives you 24
3:48:35hours a day
3:48:36for 8 and 1/2 years to reflect.
3:48:40I
3:48:42think about my kids every day. I worry
3:48:44about them.
3:48:47I pray for them. I I hope for them.
3:48:54I think after 37 years,
3:48:59I think she's really going to bring it
3:49:00home here. She's going to undo all the
3:49:02damage she did and she's going to
3:49:04convince them. Yep. I have a great
3:49:05feeling about this. I also I will I will
3:49:07give her this. She does not carry on
3:49:09about God, at least.
3:49:12Right.
3:49:13At least that. There's that.
3:49:15>> Just just be
3:49:17conspiracy the conspiracy.
3:49:19>> Right. I'll take it over God. in prison.
3:49:24Wow.
3:49:25And at the age of 65,
3:49:29I agree with Dr. Guyton. You know who
3:49:31I've seen here in a in a while? Dana 420
3:49:34or is it
3:49:35you know, uh
3:49:37Dana 420, Diane 420?
3:49:40I don't know. I don't know that name, I
3:49:42don't think.
3:49:43Yeah.
3:49:46I'm not I'm low risk for violence, low
3:49:49risk for danger, low risk for for
3:49:53anger.
3:50:00I wish I could turn the clock back
3:50:03and redo my crime and do it right. undo
3:50:08everything that was done, but I can't.
3:50:16I wish my children had the opportunity
3:50:19to say to me what they feel
3:50:22because I
3:50:23They hate you. I can just tell you right
3:50:25now, Diane. They hate you. I think that
3:50:27would be more If they think about you at
3:50:28all. Or cathartic
3:50:31than anything that they've that than
3:50:33they've been through.
3:50:36But it's only because of what you want.
3:50:39Not because of what they want.
3:50:44I would like to go home.
3:50:47Oh, really?
3:50:50Geez. I would like to be able to give
3:50:53back to society.
3:50:55I would like to be able to prove
3:50:58to you, all of you,
3:51:00that
3:51:02I was a
3:51:03low risk.
3:51:06And
3:51:08Was a low risk?
3:51:09>> Yeah, was a low risk.
3:51:11>> What What's with the past tense, Diane?
3:51:14I mean, is she
3:51:16Does she mean like 5 minutes ago I was
3:51:18saying that or
3:51:19>> Yeah, yeah, I I was a low risk and then
3:51:21she gets out and then she's like she,
3:51:23you know, Suckers!
3:51:25Like I I was a low risk, but you waited
3:51:27too long. Just let me out. Mhm.
3:51:32I'd like to, before I die,
3:51:36find a way to atone.
3:51:40Uh whether that's
3:51:43Confess to your crime. That's the first
3:51:46step, Diane.
3:51:48First step. And even then, you're not
3:51:51getting out.
3:51:52>> Low risk for pregnancy. Yep.
3:51:55We can't
3:51:57>> blankets and and refurbishing a thousand
3:52:00bicycles. What Whatever it takes. Maybe
3:52:03going to the prisons to talk to people
3:52:06that have been in the situation that I
3:52:07have. I met a lot of hardhead girls in
3:52:10here that
3:52:13don't want to listen.
3:52:15But maybe they could learn from my
3:52:16experiences. Maybe
3:52:20I
3:52:22I'd like to find a way to atone.
3:52:26I don't know that I ever can, but I'd
3:52:28like to.
3:52:31That's it.
3:52:33Strong finish, Diane.
3:52:35>> Thank you, Ms. Downs.
3:52:36Um
3:52:37Strong finish, Diane.
3:52:39And that's that's basically it.
3:52:41>> Before I conclude the hearing, I just
3:52:42want to check one more time. Do the
3:52:44board members have any additional
3:52:46questions? None of them have any
3:52:47questions, so that's it for the the
3:52:512020 parole hearing. Well, I don't know
3:52:53why you're down there, but okay. What
3:52:56Why is it like this?
3:52:58There we go.
3:53:00All right, Suma. Well, that was a rage
3:53:02ball of crazy. Yes.
3:53:05I think. That's Diane for you.
3:53:09Thank you for sticking with me the
3:53:10entire time. Always.
3:53:13And I'm sorry X Derek had to be so
3:53:15disgusting earlier.
3:53:17>> pretty revolting, but
3:53:18>> He's pretty uh
3:53:20We we might need to send him back to
3:53:21Latin camp or something or like
3:53:23>> cuz he's not bothering me, but he's all
3:53:25over you.
3:53:25>> Yeah, he's he's just saying non-stop
3:53:27disgusting things to me.
3:53:30And
3:53:31uh we maybe need to send him to
3:53:32finishing school again.
3:53:33>> Unexpected, yeah. But um yeah, we'll be
3:53:37back probably this week. All right,
3:53:39Thanksgiving week. So, I thought about I
3:53:41had a thought I should maybe try and
3:53:44redo my first live that I did Black
3:53:46Friday last year, the one that sent
3:53:48those people like off the edge be like,
3:53:49"SHUT THE [ __ ]
3:53:51WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?" I THINK I
3:53:53DON'T think I know that one.
3:53:55That Well, that crazy comment I got on
3:53:56what what when I did the uh Cindy
3:54:00Mitchem live, like the my very first
3:54:02like solo live where I was doing my own
3:54:04content and the guy just went off the
3:54:06rails. He was so mad. So, I thought
3:54:08maybe like a year later I can do Black
3:54:11Friday like repeat and do it again with
3:54:13all of with all the things I've learned.
3:54:15Uh but we could probably do some
3:54:18>> words, it'll be exactly the same.
3:54:19>> It'll be exactly the same. Hopefully the
3:54:21cat doesn't reset the stream in the
3:54:22middle, but who knows.
3:54:24Um thank you everyone for being here.
3:54:26Don't forget to hit like and subscribe
3:54:28on your way out.
3:54:30And uh subscribe to Suma and X Derek
3:54:33even though X Derek is kind of
3:54:36disgusting. Yeah. Uh what
3:54:38But
3:54:39uh
3:54:40you know, delete your archives. Um
3:54:44kiss the finger, heart eyes, kiss face
3:54:46rose. We're going to We're going to end
3:54:47it with a base shaman the '80s mix.
3:54:50K Kayla Marie, you know you are my
3:54:53special baby girl.
3:54:57All right. Good night, everyone. Good
3:54:59night.
3:55:03Yeah. Yeah. Kayla. Kayla. Kayla Marie.
3:55:08You know you are my mini little baby
3:55:10girl. All right. Here we go.
3:55:13Kayla. Kayla Marie. You know you are my
3:55:15precious baby girl. That's why I love
3:55:18you just so much, my little princess. My
3:55:20little baby girl, let's just have sex.
3:55:23Now listen to me, Kayla. Miss the penis
3:55:25for Chase's girlfriend now. Miss
3:55:27Victoria number 20 your legs, Kayla. So,
3:55:29tell me, did you count? Did you count
3:55:31those hairs down there? I don't want it
3:55:33too many for you to count. It's Kayla.
3:55:35If they are, I mean that should not be
3:55:37okay. As long as you promise to taste my
3:55:40white the white stuff that comes out
3:55:41comes out of a girl that's been Tell me,
3:55:44Kayla, do you know what it's called
3:55:46because you have a Did you suck out of a
3:55:48girl before? Don't know. When you get
3:55:50excited, I'll taste it. I want to take
3:55:52your [ __ ] your 13-year-old young Kayla.
3:55:55Eating is what it's called when a man
3:55:57licks all up and down your [ __ ] It's
3:55:59going to feel so good for my precious
3:56:01little baby girl princess. I'm going to
3:56:03pick you up and throw you in my white
3:56:05dog tram and take you with me to my
3:56:08apartment. As soon as we get in, your
3:56:10clothes are coming off, precious. But
3:56:12it's going to be like, "What the fuck?"
3:56:14Get on the floor, Kayla.

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