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0:00What's up, [ __ ] Let's talk about
0:02crime.
0:16What's up, [ __ ]
0:18So, we're here. We've got a new setup
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0:43true crime podcasts.
0:45I told them they should get some LEDs
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0:50Crime [ __ ] and put them on the wall
0:52because Sierra really wants to do video.
0:53However, I would love to do video. I'm
0:56not trying. I got to figure out how to
0:57do video cuz I'm not sitting like this
0:58doing video. Oh the [ __ ] you're not like
1:02No, no, I'm not showing like it's got to
1:04be from like it's got to be from like
1:06here and up. It's got to be like a
1:08Anyways. Okay. That's why you go to
1:11downward angle makes us look skinnier.
1:13Like like have a camera like a ladder
1:16or up like have it like up in the corner
1:18like GoPro that [ __ ]
1:21No, I've seen Hey, I've seen me on the
1:23ring camera. You don't want that. That's
1:25what I'm saying. Anyways, um, so yeah.
1:29Anyways, uh, I don't think there's
1:30really anything else. We can just get
1:32into what we actually are here for. So,
1:35what are we talking about today? We are
1:37talking about the year 1983 in
1:40Springfield, Oregon. And a woman named
1:43Diane DS pulls up to a hospital
1:46screaming that a man had just shot her
1:49children in her car. And come to find
1:51out later, she is actually accused of
1:54shooting her children instead. So, as
1:56always, we will get into the background
1:57first. So, Diane DS is born August 7th,
2:011955 in Phoenix, Arizona, and she's
2:04actually born Elizabeth Diane
2:06Frederickson. Now, her parents are
2:08Wesley Lynen Frederickson and Willadine
2:11Frederickson, which I think the name
2:13Willine is so like redneck. It's like
2:17old like it is, but I think it's kind of
2:19like like Willadine,
2:22come get your biscuits. Yeah, Willine.
2:25Yeah, that's kind of like I'm like I'm
2:27kind of like, oh, a Willadine. That's
2:29kind of cute. Anyways, now Diane spoke
2:33out actually against her father when she
2:35got older. And what she had claimed was
2:37that her father had like a really nasty
2:40hold over her mother. And what she said
2:43was was that her father spent way too
2:46much time with her mother and so in turn
2:48her mother didn't spend enough time with
2:54her. I laugh because while it is
2:57important to love your
2:59children, it is also important to want
3:02to spend time with your significant
3:03other. So I mean to me I kind of giggled
3:06when I read that cuz I was like that's a
3:07weird thing. So, you turned out to be an
3:09[ __ ] because your mom spent too much
3:11time with your dad. Okay, cool. Jealous
3:14much? Uh, she uh Diane also criticized
3:17her dad's disciplinarian techniques and
3:21she also claimed that her father had
3:22sexually abused her. However, later on
3:25she actually recants that um accusation
3:29saying no, that never actually happened
3:30and both of her parents actually denied
3:32the accusation as well. So, this could
3:35be one of those like maybe she said it
3:37when she got arrested and then came back
3:39later like, "Okay, no, that actually
3:41didn't happen." type thing. I don't know
3:42why anybody would [ __ ] falsely
3:44accuse. So, if she did, that's [ __ ]
3:46But if not, okay, well, some people are
3:48just [ __ ] It's very true. That's
3:50that's not a lie. So, Diane was actually
3:52raised in a very strict conservative
3:54household. Like, not not politically. I
3:56mean, maybe politically, but I don't
3:58mean political conservative. I'm talking
4:00about like modest. like she was not
4:03allowed to wear fashionable clothes. She
4:05was not allowed to wear makeup. She was
4:07not allowed to dress in popular items at
4:10all. And this actually led to her being
4:13bullied, which totally believe because
4:16she didn't she had to wear like the most
4:18basic [ __ ] because her parents did not
4:20think, dude, I would have hated that
4:22[ __ ] right? Like she wasn't allowed to
4:24be popular. I mean, even if she wanted,
4:27she wasn't allowed to be a [ __ ] kid.
4:28No, she wasn't. Now, in her teenage
4:31years, she actually becomes rebellious
4:33against her family,
4:35which I understand. She meets a man
4:39named Steve DS in high school,
4:41graduates, and he's kind of like I think
4:43he's like a high school sweetheart, and
4:45they actually end up getting married.
4:47Now, her parents did not approve of
4:48their relationship, but Diane was like,
4:50"Fuck you. I'm going to see this guy
4:52anyways because that's my that's my
4:53man." Now, she does go on and she
4:56attends Pacific Coast Baptist Bible
4:58College in Orange, California. And if
5:01y'all don't know where Orange,
5:02California is, I actually know cuz
5:04that's where I stayed there one time. I
5:06stayed there one time when we were with
5:08dad when we on one of our Disney trips
5:11cuz it's close to Orange County. So, I
5:13was thinking like, "Oh, Orange, Orange
5:15County." We stayed in like the dumpiest
5:17ass hotel. Dad and I were like, "Oh,
5:20shit." But the Orange California is
5:22literally like right next to Orange
5:24County, Anaheim, like really close to
5:26Disneyland. Actually, I was going to say
5:27I had no [ __ ] idea where that was at.
5:29Yeah. So, she goes to this college and
5:33after about a year, she's expelled for
5:36promiscuous behavior and she is sent
5:38back to Arizona. Now, in nove on
5:40November 13th, 1973, Diane marries
5:44Steve. Now, Diane had actually run away
5:46from home to do this because her parents
5:48did not, you know, agree with their
5:50relationship. And at this time, Steve
5:52had actually enlisted in the Navy. And
5:54so, it was also kind of like a twofold
5:56because I don't know if people know
5:57this, but if you enlist in the military,
6:00at least in the United States, if you
6:02are married, there are special I don't
6:04know, I don't want to say accommodations
6:06because I don't think that's what it is,
6:07but like when I I I'll just say this.
6:10When I was in high school, one of my
6:12friends was in the Air Force and he was
6:13single and he would go on these trips
6:16and during my high school years, we were
6:18going to Iraq and he would fly to Iraq.
6:23Well, every time he would fly to Iraq or
6:25Afghanistan in like the more dangerous
6:27zones if he had been he'd get like
6:29hazard pay. But see, if you are married,
6:32your hazard pay is a lot more because
6:35you have a wife or a family also. So if
6:37something happens to you, they're
6:40supposed to essentially give you extra
6:42money for that. So when you are married,
6:44if you get married and you go into like
6:46boot camp or I mean even if you're just
6:48get he's going into the Navy, any time
6:51that he were to do something or
6:52whatever, he would get more money. And
6:56if you are using their
6:59uh if you stay on live on bases, you get
7:01I think more money because you have to
7:03accommodate more than one person. And if
7:05you live off of base, you get like a
7:07credit that you get to help pay for your
7:09house. You would get more money because
7:11you have a spouse. So, it was kind of
7:14like a beneficial agreement like, "Hey,
7:16let's get married. I'm in the Navy. You
7:19don't want to be at
7:21home."
7:23Tada. Cuz even later in life, Diane
7:25actually claims that she did not ever
7:27marry Steve because she loved him. She
7:29said she literally married him because
7:31she needed to get out of her family.
7:34Damn. So, it kind of I think I think
7:36both of them had kind of their own
7:38reason really to get married. Then in
7:411974, Diane gives birth to the couple's
7:44first daughter. Her name is Christy
7:45Anne. Then in 1976, she gives birth to
7:49another daughter named Cheryl. And she
7:51actually does get pregnant again, but
7:53she ends up having an abortion with this
7:55one. Now, she does later in life say
7:58that she actually regretted having the
8:00abortion after realizing what stage the
8:03baby was in when she did it. She claims
8:06that she had gone to a birth control,
8:09not birth control, a she didn't say like
8:12Planned Parenthood, but she went
8:13somewhere that was willing to do
8:15abortions and she had a conversation
8:16with them and said, "I am 6 weeks
8:19pregnant. What stage is this baby at?"
8:22And she said that the person told her
8:24that the baby was just a clump of muc
8:26mucus at six weeks. So, it's really not
8:29a big deal if she wanted to abort the
8:31baby. But she found out later in life
8:34when she was she had attended a in a an
8:38anti-abortion rally. And while she was
8:41there, there was a pamphlet that talked
8:43about the stages of pregnancy. And when
8:44she realized that 6 weeks was not
8:46actually a clump of cells, she actually
8:48started to feel very guilty about the
8:50fact that she killed this baby, right?
8:54So she wants to have another baby to
8:56amend her sin is what she says. She
8:59wants to have another baby to make it
9:02right that she had an
9:04abortion. Based off what you've heard so
9:06far, I don't think she was necessarily
9:10right in her brain. You know what I Like
9:14as I researched it, I started to sit
9:16there and go, not that it gives me
9:17everything, but yeah, I don't not
9:20everything was meshing in her brain
9:22properly. I don't think cuz there was a
9:24lot of things that it was like what that
9:26doesn't like common sense, right? And so
9:29whatever. So anyway, so she wants to
9:31have another baby. The problem is her
9:32husband had already had a visctomy
9:35because they agreed they agreed two
9:37children uh was enough and that you
9:39know, she had had a she had aborted
9:41their third child. So he was like,
9:42"Yeah, like we don't want more than two
9:43kids." So he had a vasectomy. So now,
9:46yes, you can get vasectomy reversals,
9:48but who the [ __ ] wants to go through
9:49that, right? So she was just kind of
9:50like, "Motherfucker." So now she's like,
9:53"Well, I still want to have another baby
9:54because I need to make amends for the
9:57one I aborted." So she ends up getting
9:59pregnant by one of her male
10:01friends
10:03instead. Now she gives birth to this
10:07little boy, Steven Daniel, in 1979. Now,
10:10in 1980, Diane and Steve get divorced
10:13due to a few things. Financial issues
10:15was one, but fighting was another, but
10:18really the biggest one was accusations
10:20of infidelity. Since she just had a baby
10:22and he had a vasectomy, he was kind of
10:25like, "That's not my baby, dumb ass.
10:26That's not my kid." And so, that was
10:30their I mean, they were just kind of
10:31like, "Okay, fine." I mean, again, they
10:32both kind of I don't think they married
10:34for love. So, for them, I think it was
10:36just kind of like, "Fuck it." like if
10:37you're not going to be faithful to me,
10:38then what do we got? Then then in May of
10:411982, so this is two years later, Diane
10:44actually tries to be a surrogate. Like
10:46she really likes being pregnant, I
10:48guess. I don't who the [ __ ] likes that?
10:50I've never had a baby, but I've heard
10:53shitty. I'll tell you right now, I had
10:54the worst pregnancies. I've I've been
10:56pregnant twice and I had the worst
10:58pregnancies ever. I would never want to
11:00be a surrogate because I don't like
11:02being pregnant.
11:03However, the delivery of kids was very
11:06easy for me. I could have been a
11:08surrogate probably and popped out kids
11:10with no problem because my my my
11:12deliveries would go fairly fast and I
11:16pretty much always had an epidural and
11:18didn't feel a single thing. So, the
11:19delivery portion was fine, but the
11:21actual pregnancy part was awful. I don't
11:23know. I don't know who wants to be
11:25pregnant, but apparently she liked it.
11:27And actually, they they did talk a
11:28little bit about it. I watched a
11:30documentary on it and they were talking
11:31about like she literally liked being
11:33pregnant. That was part of her problem
11:35is that she liked having kids. So, she
11:37tries to be a surrogate. However, she is
11:39given two different psychiatric tests
11:41for surrogacy, which they do because
11:43they need to make sure you're at least
11:44doing whatever. And she failed both of
11:46them. She failed both psychiatric tests.
11:49She was actually showing Yeah. Right.
11:51And she was actually showing signs of
11:52psychosis based off her answers. Okay.
11:55Now, there was one article that I read,
11:58and I just am gonna say it because it's
12:00the only article I found that had this
12:03information. It said supposedly she did
12:07was allowed to be a surrogate and did
12:09actually have a baby. But I don't I
12:12can't verify that with any of the other
12:14any of the other um articles. None of
12:16the other most of the If that shit's
12:18true, that's wild. Right. Well, in the
12:20article [ __ ] actually. most of the
12:22articles, well, most of them didn't even
12:24talk about the fact that she wanted to
12:26be a surrogate. Um, there was only two
12:28other ones that did and both of them
12:29said she was not allowed to. So, I
12:31actually don't know the right thing, but
12:33there the truth of the matter is she did
12:35want to be a surrogate at least. Now,
12:37Diane did work for the United States
12:38Postal Service and she actually would
12:40have routes in Cottage Grove, Oregon.
12:42So, here she she's still living in
12:43Oregon. Now, Steve had actually made
12:47accusations that Diane treated her
12:49children like absolute [ __ ] and that she
12:52lacked maternal instincts. That's so
12:53that's her ex-husband is saying no, like
12:55she actually was a bad [ __ ] mom.
12:57Like, and here's his example. He said
13:00that Diane forbid everything to her
13:03children. He said if Danny, which is her
13:06youngest son, if Dany demanded a even
13:09just a little bit of attention, she
13:10would reject him. But the worst was when
13:13one day, so this is his quote, "When one
13:16day I caught Cheryl jumping on the bed,
13:18I told her that it is not allowed and I
13:21made her sit down and think about what
13:23she had done." Which Cheryl remained
13:25calm while looking up at him and said,
13:28"Is there a gun here?" With a question,
13:30like she questioned him. And he replied
13:32with like, "No." And then he's like,
13:34"But why would you even ask that?" And
13:36she said, "I want to kill me. My mom
13:39says I'm bad.
13:41What the [ __ ] And that's his daughter,
13:44like his biological daughter. And so
13:46he's saying like the worst thing I she
13:49was not a good mom and then on top of
13:51it, she like tells our kids that they're
13:53bad and now they're talking about guns,
13:56right? So this whole thing was a little
13:58weird. On May 19th, 1983, Diane drives
14:02her car to M McKenzie Willamit Hospital
14:05in Springfield, Oregon. Now her car is
14:08blood spattered and all three of her
14:10kids have now been shot and Diane
14:12herself has been shot in the arm as
14:13well. Now upon arrival, Cheryl, who is
14:16seven at the time, is dead. Danny, who
14:18is three at the time, is paralyzed from
14:20the waist down. And Christy, who is
14:22eight, had suffered a massive de
14:24debilitating stroke. She's eight. A
14:27[ __ ] stroke. Yeah. Jesus. Now, Diane
14:31claims that she was carjacked on a rural
14:34a rural I cannot [ __ ] rural I cannot
14:37say that word road in Springfield,
14:39Oregon. Now, what she says is that a
14:41strange man shot her and her children.
14:43Now, she claims now what she's claiming
14:46happened immediately raises suspicions
14:48for the officers and the hospital staff.
14:51One, they felt that she was acting way
14:53too [ __ ] calm for what had actually
14:56she claimed had actually happened. two,
14:58they felt that some of the things that
15:00she was saying were extremely
15:02inappropriate at the time. I don't know,
15:05like there wasn't any quotes of what she
15:07was saying, but I don't think they mean
15:09like sexually inappropriate. I'm sure
15:11they're talking about like like with the
15:12situation
15:13I Yes. Yeah. And I mean, again, her
15:16seven-year-old daughter is dead, so she
15:19should be upset and she's just not she's
15:21not really upset, you know? She's more
15:24worried about her arm being shot and not
15:26really Maybe that was an inappropriate
15:28[ __ ] that like her kids weren't her
15:30priority. Yes. Yes. Now, her actual
15:33claim was that she was driving home from
15:35a friend's house and that all of her
15:36children were sleeping when she sees a
15:38man in the middle of the road flagging
15:39her down. So, she pulls over, which I
15:41say, why the [ __ ] are you pulling over
15:43in the middle of the night to a strange
15:45man flagging you down with your three
15:47children in the car? That in itself is
15:49dumb as [ __ ] So, she says she describes
15:51the man as a bushy-haired stranger that
15:53she's never seen before. She said that
15:55he demanded that she give him the keys
15:57to her car. Wait, is it Sasquatch?
15:59Right. Is it? Oh, it could have been.
16:02Bushy hair. Bushyhaired man. She's
16:04[ __ ] crazy. Oregon. Uh, she refuses
16:08and supposedly after she refuses, which
16:11according to her, she said, "I laughed
16:12at him and said, I'm not giving you my
16:14keys." Which, no the [ __ ] you didn't.
16:15No, no, you didn't. Um, anyways, uh, to
16:17which they get into an altercation, and
16:20this is when he shoots her in the arm.
16:21This is what she tells him. He pulls out
16:23a gun. He shoots me in the arm. Then he
16:25opens the driver's side door of my car
16:27and shoots all three of my kids. So this
16:29is what she tells them cuz uh one kid
16:32was in the front, two were in the back.
16:34Okay. So she says this is what he does.
16:36She then says uh at that point when
16:39after he shot her kids, she was like,
16:42"Hulk shit." And she's like, "Hey sir,
16:44do you want my keys?" And he's like,
16:46"Yes, I do." And she's like, "Go find
16:48them, fucker." And she throws him into
16:49the [ __ ] bushes or pretends. No, you
16:53didn't. And then he scurry [ __ ] dog.
16:55Then he scured over to the bushes to
16:57search for the keys. Yeah. No, he
16:59didn't. Right. Right. I'm like, "Okay,
17:00lady." To which she tricked him. She
17:03didn't throw the keys cuz she, according
17:05to them, she faked it. And as soon as he
17:06ran to the bushes, she jumped in the car
17:08and took out like a bat took off like a
17:09bat out of hell to the
17:11hospital. Again, none of this really
17:14sounds like it happened, but okay.
17:16Now, obviously, an investigation starts
17:19cuz regardless of what happens, we need
17:20to find out how these three children
17:22ended up getting shot. So, if there
17:24really is a man, we need to stop him.
17:25And if there's not, we need to find out
17:27who's responsible. Now, they do find it
17:29weird that Diane actually goes to the
17:31hospital to visit her kids like the
17:33night of like cuz she obviously she gets
17:36taken in for her arm and her kids kids
17:38get taken in to get well, the two that
17:40were living to try to save their lives.
17:43Well, when she gets out of her whatever
17:45with the gunshot to her arm, she goes
17:48around to like go see her kids. But see,
17:51she takes the time to actually call a
17:53man named Robert Nickerbacher. Uh she I
17:56know the name. So, they found it weird
17:58that she had called this man. And the
18:00reason they find it weird is cuz again,
18:01where are your priorities? You just like
18:03literally just got shot in the arm and
18:05your children are in the hospital and
18:07you're supposed to be checking on them
18:08and you're taking time out to call some
18:09dude. And also, uh, I know you're
18:11divorced from your ex-husband, but why
18:13are you not calling? I feel like if I
18:14had children with somebody and we got
18:16divorced, I'd be calling my ex, let me
18:19let me let me let you know what
18:20happened. Um, cuz one of your kids is
18:22dead, right? So,
18:25guilty [ __ ] This man that she
18:27calls actually is a married man and a
18:29former coworker of hers from when she
18:31lived in Arizona. She also happened to
18:34have an affair with him as well. Now,
18:37the forensic evidence also did not match
18:40what she was saying. So, first of all,
18:42she said the guy opened the door and
18:44shot all three of her kids. She also
18:47said that he shot her inside the car.
18:50Like, he came up to the car and asked
18:51her for her keys and they got into an
18:53argument and then that's when he shot
18:55her supposedly. Okay.
18:58Now, there is no blood spatter on the
19:00driver's side of the car, nor is there
19:03any gunpowder residue on the driver's
19:04side door interior or exterior. So,
19:09there's no [ __ ] way that she got shot
19:12sitting in her driver's seat. And
19:14there's no way that some man shot her
19:17kids also in the driver's seat. Like,
19:19that doesn't make sense cuz there's no
19:20gunpowder residue at all in there, which
19:23there should be if you're shooting
19:25inside the car, right? Like that's just
19:27how that happens. Now Richard, the man
19:30she had an affair with, they talked to
19:32him and he's like, "Listen, uh Diane and
19:35I did have an affair. You are correct.
19:37We had an affair and I broke it off with
19:39her because I originally told her that I
19:41was going to leave my wife for her, but
19:43I decided I wanted to work it out with
19:45my wife. I left her and
19:48um she's been stalking me ever since."
19:51and that she even at one point said to
19:54me like, "Listen, if I need to, I'll
19:56kill your wife for you because then that
20:00would mean you're all mine."
20:03The [ __ ] So, obviously now, I mean, I
20:06believe it, too. Damn. So, obviously now
20:08the police are like,
20:09"Uh-huh. Well, that's weird." Then her
20:13ex-husband Steve and her affair stalking
20:17man that she's wanting to be with,
20:19Richard, both tell the police at two two
20:22different times that Diane also owned a
20:2422 caliber handgun, which is something
20:26that she neglected to tell the police at
20:28all. Now, they were not able to actually
20:31find the gun like ever. But what they
20:34did find is they went to her home and
20:36they found unused cartridges on her in
20:39her home. Now, the thing about this, I
20:41don't understand cuz I'm not a gun
20:43person. So, but what they said was they
20:45found these unused cartridges, but when
20:47you look at the unused cartridges, they
20:49were marked for her gun and they were
20:52able to match that mark to the bullets
20:55they found in the car. I don't know what
20:57mark they're talking about cuz they're
20:59not used bullets. So, it's not like when
21:01you shoot a gun, if I'm not mistaken, I
21:03think there's like when they make
21:06bullets, there's certain markings for
21:08specific types of guns or something.
21:09Okay, I think so. I mean, I could be
21:11[ __ ] That would be the best guess
21:13that I can have cuz I was like, I don't
21:14understand how I don't understand how
21:16that works. They also found witnesses
21:19that said that they saw her
21:21driving to the hospital. They saw that
21:24vehicle with her in it driving to the
21:27hospital at a very slow pace.
21:30literally 5 to seven miles per
21:34hour, which completely completely
21:37contradicts her. Um, I'm going to be
21:38honest, first of all, I don't know the
21:40last time I drove five [ __ ] miles per
21:42hour. Like even in a damn drive-thru,
21:44I'm going at least like 10. I'm sitting
21:46there going, "How long did it take you
21:47to get to the hospital for enough for
21:49your daughter to die?" Holy [ __ ] And
21:51like honestly, that's what I think she
21:52was doing was driving slow so they'd all
21:54die. She probably was trying to drive
21:55slow so all of them would die like you
21:57said. Then, but I mean, which literally
22:00goes against what she said where she
22:02said that she took off speeding to the
22:04hospital as fast as she could when not
22:07just one when she jked out the guy.
22:09Multiple witnesses actually were like,
22:11"No, I remember seeing that car because
22:12it was really weird because it was just
22:14like so like puttering along and we were
22:18like, "What is this lady doing?" Cuz she
22:21was going that
22:22slow. Now, police use all of this
22:25evidence to arrest Diane. 9 months after
22:28the shooting. They arrested her on
22:29February 28th, 1984. Now, she is charged
22:33with one count of murder and two counts
22:35of attempted murder and criminal
22:37assault. Now, the prosecutors argued
22:39that Diane had actually shot her
22:41children to get rid of them so that she
22:43could try to continue her affair with
22:45Richard. He had actually told the police
22:47that he had part he had ended their
22:49affair because he chose to stay with his
22:52wife. He had no plans of being with her.
22:54Part of his reasoning was he didn't want
22:56children and he did not want to be a
22:58father figure to any children. So the
23:00children were kind of a deal breakaker
23:02for him.
23:04I know how that is. I'm saying but
23:07you're not going to kill your children
23:08because want to [ __ ] be with you. You
23:10just date people date kids. Now Diane
23:14was also diagnosed as being a
23:17narcissist. She was diagnosed as being
23:19histrionic and she was diagnosed with as
23:22being antisocial. Okay, for those of you
23:24that don't know, histrionic, because I
23:25didn't know what it was, histrionic
23:26personality disorder is a mental health
23:28condition that affects the way a person
23:29thinks, perceives, and relates to
23:31others. Uh, genes play a role in the
23:34development of personality disorders,
23:35abuse, or instability during childhood
23:37also may increase the risk. A person
23:39with histrionic personality disorder
23:41seeks attention, talks dramatically with
23:42strong opinions, is easily influenced,
23:44has rapidly changed emotions, and thinks
23:47relationships are closer than they are,
23:49which is literally her. So, that was
23:52that. pretty common infects 200,000
23:54people per cases per year. But that's
23:57actually
23:58by to me that to me that's not that
24:02many. But I sure I mean yeah it is.
24:04Wait, it affects 200,000 people. Is that
24:06what you're saying? Yeah. So when when I
24:09looked it up um it said that more than
24:12200,000 US cases per year. So they
24:15consider it common, which is so like and
24:18the only treatment is talk therapy.
24:21Yeah. And to be honest with you, if I'm
24:23being super honest, I think that's just
24:25one of those things that we've created
24:27that personally. I think it's something
24:30that we have created as a society in
24:33other pe in people. But anyways, back to
24:35what we should be talking about. Um, so
24:38she has all, you know, she's been
24:39diagnosed with these three things. Now,
24:41those three things together, by the way,
24:44also meant that she fit the profile of a
24:46malignant hysteria psychopathy, which is
24:50it's a core characteristic of female
24:52psychopathy that's characterized by
24:54traits like aggressiveness,
24:56attention-seeking, promiscuity, and
24:58impulsivity. And that fits her to a tea.
25:01She was very much wanted attention. She
25:03was promiscuous. Remember, she got
25:05kicked out of college for that. So, she
25:07most definitely has, like we had said,
25:10something wasn't quite right probably in
25:12her brain. It was stated in her trial
25:14that she shows no remorse. She regards
25:18her children with no empathy and as
25:20objects or possessions. Any feelings
25:23that she has for them are superficial
25:25and only extend how they are part of her
25:27and her life, which is a narcissistic
25:29thing, by the way.
25:31Now, I would say the most damning
25:33evidence in this trial was actually the
25:36testimony of her own daughter, Christy.
25:39So, Christy, who finally after a bunch
25:42of time had regained the ability to
25:44speak after suffering the major
25:47stroke, she was asked by the prosecuting
25:49attorney in court, "Who shot you?" And
25:53her reply was, "My mom." Well, that's to
25:58me that's it right now. What she
26:01actually told the jury was that her mom
26:03had pulled over to the side of the road
26:05and began shooting the three children
26:07and then shot herself in her arm. Now,
26:09Diane was convicted on all charges on
26:11June 17th, 1984. She was sentenced to
26:15life in prison plus 50 years. She was
26:17required to serve at least 25 years
26:20before she could even apply for parole.
26:22Now, the judge did make it very clear
26:24that his intentions were that Diane
26:26would never be set free. Good. By the
26:28way, I did not mention that Diane was
26:32pregnant while she was on trial with
26:34another child. And nobody I don't think
26:37anybody really knows who the father was,
26:39but she did get pregnant with another
26:41child. Once she had the baby, the baby
26:44was actually adopted out. Like the baby
26:45wasn't good. I knocked it out. And she
26:48was sent to Oregon Women's Correctional
26:50Center in Salem, Oregon. That should be
26:53the end.
26:54Nasty more [ __ ] papers. It's not. So
26:57on July 11th, 1987, she actually escapes
27:00from prison by scaling Oh my gosh.
27:03by scaling the walls of the prison.
27:07Those [ __ ] spider monkey. I have no
27:09idea. Wait, they were like 15t walls.
27:12That's what I'm saying. I have no idea
27:13how the [ __ ] this lady did that. I mean,
27:16if she's crazy enough, I [ __ ] don't
27:17know, man. Yeah. Now, she was actually
27:19on the run for 10 days. Like, she
27:21actually was gone. Gone for 10 days. And
27:23it actually triggered a 14st state
27:26manhunt cuz they had no idea where she
27:27went. Now, she does end up getting
27:30recaptured. But here's something real
27:31crazy. So, one of the articles that I
27:33read, it was actually an interview with
27:35the guy who literally harbored her while
27:38she was escaped. and it was one of her
27:42cellmates boyfriends and that cellmate
27:45had called him and said, "I need you to
27:47basically take care of her." So like,
27:50and then those two also, what a good
27:52friend. They had a sexual relationship
27:53the whole time she was there. So that's
27:56Yeah. So which again, 10 days, you don't
27:58even know the dude. That's weird. So
27:59anyways, he says now like he's like an
28:02old man. He's like, "I should have
28:04turned her in, but I I didn't cuz my
28:06girlfriend had asked me not to." He
28:07goes, "Also at the time." He's like, "We
28:08were like a party house." Like we were
28:09just partying, having a good time, and
28:11living our life. So, she does end up
28:13obviously getting recaptured. Okay. Now,
28:16she does apply for parole in 2008. Now,
28:19in this parole, she actually still
28:21claims that she's innocent and that she
28:23did not do this, which is something that
28:26she literally still to this day says
28:28that she did not do this. Now, in her
28:31very first parole hearing, this is
28:33actually what was stated by the parole
28:35board.
28:36DS continues to fail to demonstrate any
28:39honest insight into her criminal
28:41behavior. Even after her convictions,
28:43she continues to fabricate new versions
28:45of events under which the crimes
28:47occurred. This man also wrote that she
28:50alternatively re refers to her asalants
28:52as a bushy-haired stranger, two men
28:55wearing ski masks, or drug dealers, and
28:58also she says that the that it was a
29:01corrupt law enforcement officials that
29:03also did this. So she's had four
29:05different I'm telling you the first
29:06one's Sasquatch. I know. So obviously
29:09she was denied parole the first one. She
29:12has had two more parole hearings since
29:14then. She had one in 2010 and one in
29:162020 and she was denied for both of
29:18them. Now Diane is currently serving her
29:20sentence in Valley State Prison for
29:22women in Coachilla, New uh California.
29:26However, I'm going to just throw
29:28something out here, and this is going to
29:30be one of those think about it for a
29:34minute. Okay, one of the things that I
29:36had found very weird while I was doing
29:38my research about this case is that her
29:41two surviving
29:42children, they got adopted out and they
29:46didn't go and live with their
29:48father. Now, weirdly enough, no one
29:52really knows what happened to him. He
29:54just like disappeared. Didn't fight for
29:56his kids. Nothing. I think she killed
29:59him. No, no, no, she didn't kill him.
30:00Cuz No, because they interviewed him.
30:02No, cuz they interviewed him. It was
30:04like after all this [ __ ] happened, you
30:06know, like he was there interviewing,
30:07but like what what happened? Like
30:08they're your children. But I mean, if he
30:10was in the military, maybe he died. I
30:13mean, no, no, no, no. He like purposely
30:15disappeared. He didn't take his
30:17children. Like so much so like
30:22I mean, that is weird. So much so that
30:24I'll get to it in a minute. So he did
30:25not he didn't take them. And one of the
30:28things that Diana has or that Diane has
30:30always claimed is that the police had
30:32told her that they believed in the
30:34beginning before they accused her. They
30:37actually told her in the beginning that
30:39they believed that Steve, her
30:40ex-husband, was behind the shooting of
30:43her and her kids. However, the fact that
30:46her daughter was able to identify her
30:47mother as the shooter still that's like
30:50really hard to like what she's going to
30:52lie about that. Like why would she lie
30:54about that? That's her that's literally
30:55the difference between her mother going
30:56to jail or not. Right now her two
30:59children that were
31:00adopted were [ __ ] adopted by the
31:03prosecuting attorney that did her case,
31:05not the defense attorney, the man who
31:07prosecuted her for this mur these
31:09attempted murders and the murder. And
31:11the thing that's really weird about
31:13That's [ __ ] weird. Okay. And he
31:15adopted them as soon as the case was
31:16over. So that's why I'm saying like the
31:19father maybe he [ __ ] sold his
31:21children. The father never [ __ ] tried
31:23to keep those kids. And then here's the
31:25thing. The two that were adopted, what
31:29she had claimed, cuz I watched a whole
31:31parole interview with her and what she
31:33claimed was, "I continue to tell people
31:36I did not do this because I did not do
31:37this." And she said at one point in the
31:43trial they had brought in a mockup of
31:46her car and they had dummies in the
31:49seats in the same positions that the
31:51kids were. And then the prosecuting
31:53attorney, the one that adopted her kids,
31:57stood there with a pistol or a a
31:59whatever a handgun and stood exactly
32:02where she said them that or exactly how
32:06the police evidence whatever claimed
32:10that she what how she was based off
32:13evidence and went to basically had to
32:16shoot each of the dummies and was not
32:18able to shoot the the her little boy at
32:22all from the angle that supposedly she
32:24would have had to be in to shoot them.
32:26Mhm. Okay, that's the first thing that
32:29she said. And she said after as he was
32:32trying to do it, she said when he went
32:34to go shoot the they called him the
32:36dummy the dummy Danny cuz they named him
32:38all the kids. And she said when he went
32:40to go shoot the dummy Danny, he realized
32:41that there was not a good angle for him
32:43to be able to shoot. He couldn't
32:45physically shoot the dummy Danny
32:46according to what they said I did. And
32:48I'm almost wondering if what they're
32:50saying is Christy said that the her
32:52daughter, it almost sounds like she shot
32:54them while she was sitting in the car.
32:56And the thing is she said that which cuz
32:59that's what it sounds like. It sounds
33:00like he sat in the car, shot Christy,
33:02who was sitting in the front seat,
33:04turned and shot Cheryl, who was sitting
33:05behind Christy, but could not turn and
33:07shoot Danny without switching hands. And
33:11then he said uh she said and and um she
33:14said anybody who knows anything about
33:15guns like it's going to be really hard
33:17to have a good shot with your
33:19non-dominant hand, right? And so she
33:22said that the prosecuting attorney when
33:24he was in the middle of trying to do
33:25this literally in court stopped when he
33:28was trying to shoot Danny and turned and
33:29looked and turned and looked at her and
33:32she looked at him and like she nodded at
33:34him like, "Yeah, that's what I'm trying
33:35to say is I didn't [ __ ] shoot my
33:36kids." And then he turned and looked and
33:38he said the only pliable or possible way
33:41she could have done this is if she
33:42switched hands and that's just not
33:44really [ __ ] possible. And with she
33:47said that after that thing they did um
33:51the closing arguments like the next day
33:54and that is when he went to her and said
33:56I would like to offer to adopt your
33:57children. And she said she believes it's
34:00because he genuinely does not think she
34:02did it and he genuinely thought that her
34:05husband was behind it and was worried
34:06that her kids were going to be killed
34:08because the job did not get finished.
34:10That's what she said, which that's kind
34:11of like maybe. And then the other thing
34:14was she also had claimed that all of the
34:18you know how they said that she's
34:19claimed different people shot. She said
34:21I never said that. She said, "What I
34:23told them is I told them that it was a
34:25shaggyhaired man or whatever she said, a
34:27bushy-haired man." And she said,
34:29"They're the ones who said, "Are you
34:31sure it wasn't somebody with with a ski
34:33mask because we think your husband could
34:34have been behind it? Like he hired
34:37somebody." So she says all the ways that
34:40they supposedly claim that she did it is
34:44all their what they've said, which is
34:46where the corrupt cops come in cuz she's
34:47trying to say the cops are lying and
34:49putting words in her mouth. Again, the
34:51fact that her daughter though was like,
34:54"My mom is the one that shot me."
34:56However, you can manipulate. Well, she
34:59also claims. So, now this was I wish I
35:02could remember which parole hearing this
35:03was. I think this was her 2010 parole
35:05hearing when she was talking about this
35:07stuff cuz I watched I watched like half
35:08of her parole hearing interview because
35:11she was doing it by uh actually nope it
35:14was 2020 because she was doing it by
35:15video. Obviously, she was doing it by
35:18video because of COVID. So, I was
35:20watching her and she's talking back and
35:23forth and she's
35:24very I don't know, maybe I just don't
35:27see it. She's very level-headed and her
35:29she didn't like stutter over her words
35:32like she was very matterof fact about
35:33it, but she said um since this has
35:37happened, she said, "My daughter Christy
35:40has written me." And I have talked to
35:42Christy and she said Christy to this day
35:45tells me the reason she said it was me
35:46was because the police officers told her
35:48that she had to say it was me
35:51because they
35:53thought they thought that there was a
35:56scary man behind the shooting and if the
35:59if she claimed it was the mom then they
36:01would be able to find or some something
36:03there's some weird reason why. Um, but
36:07she supposedly as an adult was like, "My
36:10mom, I don't remember my mom being the
36:11one shooting me." So, I don't know. So,
36:14I'm just saying it just seems a little
36:16bit of a weird thing. However, when I
36:19look at all the evidence, I I still do
36:22really I mean, I believe more that Diane
36:26DS was responsible for the shooting.
36:28Okay, I do because I sit there and I go,
36:31"But all the other pieces, right? all
36:33the other evidence, all the other
36:34pieces, her story about how it came
36:37about and throwing the keys, those are
36:39just not things that you would be,
36:40you're just not going to react that way.
36:42If somebody's shooting your [ __ ]
36:43kids, you're not going to pretend to
36:44throw keys. You're going to try to fight
36:45that [ __ ] and get the gun from I
36:47would hope, you know, like that just
36:49seems to be the more natural reaction.
36:50So, I like there's that kind of stuff.
36:52the fact that she was seen driving 5
36:53miles per hour to the to the like
36:56hospital by multiple people. The gun
36:58residue alone, the gun residue not being
36:59where they said it was going to be.
37:01Except for me, if I'm right, so I'm
37:02sitting here going, I just don't think
37:05that what she's saying is true. I just
37:07find it really [ __ ] bizarre that they
37:10had a father and he chose to just ignore
37:12them after they got shot. Yes, he lost
37:15one of his daughters and yes, one of
37:17those children was not his. To be fair,
37:20the boy the little boy is not his child.
37:22Yeah. But the one that died, the one
37:23that died was and the one that was par
37:26or that was um not paralyzed, the one
37:28that was had the stroke, she was his
37:30daughter. And it just seems so weird to
37:32me that he didn't want anything to do
37:34with them. And then to be adopted by the
37:36prosecuting attorneys of all things,
37:38that's just so bizarre. However, I did
37:41not I did not dig deep into their lives
37:43because they don't want to be disturbed.
37:45But I will tell you the updates I do
37:47have is that uh so the baby that she was
37:51pregnant with when she was
37:53convicted, she was also adopted out and
37:56she found out later in life, I think she
37:59was like 11 or 12 who her mother really
38:01was cuz she wouldn't let it go. She
38:03wanted to know cuz she knew she was
38:04adopted and she actually reached out and
38:07and wanted to form a relationship with
38:09this lady and then she said now she
38:11regrets that like she doesn't want a
38:13relationship with her. So that kind of
38:15gives you a little bit of an insight
38:16like, okay, well maybe this lady is a
38:17little more crazy. And then the um the
38:20two children that were involved that
38:22lived, they actually stayed in Oregon.
38:25They stayed with the family that adopted
38:26them and they grew up to be extremely
38:28successful in their own way and they
38:30live completely private lives and they
38:32hide from the world because they don't
38:34want people to know who the [ __ ] they
38:35are. So to me, I wasn't going to try to
38:38dig to see if they had new names or what
38:39their jobs were. I don't give a [ __ ]
38:40enough. My guess is they probably have
38:42different names. My guess is they have a
38:44prosecuting attorney for a father. They
38:46probably have different names because
38:47it's like witsack almost, right? But I
38:49do think there was something
38:51about this situation that would make a
38:54prosecuting attorney attorney adopt the
38:56children of the lady he's accusing of
38:58trying to kill them. He might, in my
39:01mind, I do think that he thought there
39:03was there was a chance that they'd still
39:05be in danger. And I know what she says.
39:08She says it's because he thought that
39:10the husband was going to come after him.
39:12What I think is I think the prosecuting
39:14attorney thought that she was going to
39:16get out of jail and he didn't want those
39:18kids to find he didn't want her to find
39:20those kids. That's what I think. I think
39:22that he was worried that she was going
39:23to get out of prison and she was going
39:25to find them because it was such a that
39:29yes, they had some you just don't know
39:31what even if it wasn't
39:33um like like parole- wise if she would
39:37have gotten out on parole just anything.
39:39That's what I'm saying. No matter what
39:40time. No, never. Right. So, he wanted to
39:43protect those kids. And also, why did he
39:45adopt them? Well, probably because the
39:46[ __ ] dad never showed up. So, what
39:48are you going to do? Put them in the
39:49[ __ ] foster care system? Like, no.
39:51These kids are traumatized. How the fost
39:54are traumatized enough. So, no. I mean,
39:57good on the guy. And and I purposely,
39:59just so everybody knows, I purposely
40:01left his name out of this because I
40:03don't I'm not going to be responsible
40:05for people doing deep dives on these
40:07people. I purposely left out his name as
40:09a as the attorney. You'd have to dig and
40:12read in articles to find out his [ __ ]
40:14name. And y'all can do that if you want
40:16to, but I was not going to put that on
40:17here so that you people could turn
40:19around and try to figure out who these
40:20kids are, who are, by the way,
40:21full-fledged ass adults now. Like full
40:23ass adults. Actually, they're probably
40:25pretty close to my age, actually,
40:27because I was born in the 80s. So,
40:29they're probably in their 40s. But I'm
40:31not going to [ __ ] I'm not doing that.
40:33But my point is, I still believe she did
40:36it, but it's just a weird it's a weird
40:39[ __ ] thing. And I really thought when
40:42I when I first started researching, I
40:44actually thought it was going to be one
40:45of those postpartum depression who
40:47killed her kids cuz that seems to be
40:48always what it is, but it's not. She
40:50didn't have postpartum depression. She
40:52legitimately was she was psycho. She had
40:55psy she had an um psychosis problem and
40:58therefore she deserves to be in jail and
41:00she should never get out and I don't
41:02think she ever will because somebody who
41:04kills her own children there's a special
41:05place in hell for you regardless of your
41:07reason. There is a special place in hell
41:09for you for killing your children.
41:12That's Diane DS and the fact that Steve
41:14DS didn't stick around. What a [ __ ]
41:16father of the year for him. So bravo
41:19guys for being a good parent. Um, but
41:22yeah, that's the story of Diane Nouns.
41:24At least she didn't get out of jail.
41:25Yes. If she would have [ __ ] gotten
41:27out of jail, I would have Well, and you
41:30know what's crazy is I saw an interview
41:32with her. Hey, we're in Washington.
41:34We're [ __ ] close. I'm just saying. I
41:36I'm thinking I want to say the interview
41:38I saw with her was right before she went
41:40into her trial and there was like she
41:42like she was talking to news state.
41:44That's why I'm thinking she was on trial
41:45cuz she wasn't like in prison clothes.
41:47But they had asked her why she was
41:49pregnant. Like like why' you like why
41:51are you pregnant when you're literally
41:52standing trial for murder of your
41:54children? And her literal [ __ ]
41:56response was, "Well, because I really
41:59miss my kids." She said, "I don't get to
42:02see Danny and I don't get to see Christy
42:04anymore because they won't let me and
42:06I'll never get to see Cheryl again. So
42:08this is the way that I can have another
42:11child because I miss her." Crazy enough.
42:13Thank you. When I heard that, I was
42:15like, "Ma'am, you tried to you killed
42:18your child and tried to kill your other
42:20two children. Now you have another one
42:22because you miss them."
42:25Like as if it's like I guess I'll just
42:28redo it. Like that was the weirdest
42:30reaction because I'm like, "Your
42:31daughter died." So your immediate
42:32reaction was, "Let me just have another
42:33baby. Let me just have another baby to
42:35make up for I can replace." Yeah,
42:36they're replaceable. I mean, I guess you
42:38think about when she had the abortion.
42:40That's exactly what she did. Let me have
42:41another baby because I had an abortion.
42:43It's replaceable. I can just keep doing
42:45it. But she doesn't have that motherly
42:48you. I mean, I don't have motherly
42:49instinct like that either. I mean, I'm
42:51not like that. I don't have that overly
42:54motherly instinct, which is so weird
42:55because in my family, my mom is like so
42:59Yeah. No, in my immediate family, dad is
43:01the mother. My mom is so motherly. Like
43:04my kids when they needed like a mom hug,
43:07they're going to my mom or they'll go to
43:10their dad because my husband is the mama
43:13bird. We always joke that he's the mama
43:14bird of the family. Um, but I grew up in
43:17a household with a mom who hugged me all
43:19the time and says, "I love you." And all
43:21this stuff and I just don't have that.
43:22It's not that I don't love my kids. I do
43:24and I care a lot about them, but I just
43:26like I'm missing that part of my I say
43:29that she shows more love to the dogs. I
43:32say that, but I will say though, we all
43:34know that if something were to happen to
43:36you guys, I'll [ __ ] kill somebody for
43:38you guys. So, my love just comes out
43:41differently. Your love comes out in
43:43aggression. I just And evilness. That's
43:46why you have to take so many [ __ ]
43:48Disney trips. It's true. That's the only
43:50thing that keeps me sane.
43:53No, but I'm serious. Like I think about
43:55it and I'm
43:56like I obviously love my kids and my
44:00husband, but also like I just don't I
44:04feel like a terrible parent because I do
44:05sit there and go, "Man, I should have
44:06hugged." When you were little, we hugged
44:08and like all the time, but when you guys
44:10got older, we didn't hug as much. And
44:11I'm like, I just feel like I probably
44:13should have hugged you more. Or like
44:14even now when you come over and then you
44:16leave, like if it's me going to my mom
44:19when grandma and papa lived here, my
44:20mom's giving us hugs and kisses.
44:22Goodbye. I love you. I don't do I'm
44:24like, "Bye." I walk out. I don't even
44:26say I love you. I'm like, "Bye." No,
44:28you're not you're not a big hugger.
44:30You're not really big into showing your
44:31emotions like that. And that's the thing
44:33is I don't wear my emotions out for the
44:35world to see. I hide my emotions. And so
44:37therefore, you bottle up to a break. I
44:40do. And I, as a parent, my emotions when
44:43it comes to you guys is I have so many
44:45fears for you and your brother that if I
44:48were to show you my fears, you guys
44:50would be like, "You're [ __ ] psycho,
44:52lady." Oh, we already say that. Let's be
44:53honest. I know. But you guys would
44:55really think you might be like you're
44:57getting a grippy sock. I was going to
44:58say your dad would be like, "You're
45:00going to the institute, ma'am." Because
45:01I have the craziest [ __ ] thought,
45:04especially with you because you don't
45:06live here anymore and you you you're
45:09dating. You're doing the dating stuff.
45:11And the [ __ ] [ __ ] that I think about
45:14when you're out on a date or when you're
45:16at home and I know that you're just by
45:18yourself. I'm like, "Oh my god." Like
45:20like I just know that I'm just crazy.
45:23I'm just crazy. That's what Olives for.
45:24I know. But I'm just saying like so I
45:26just show my love differently. I'm just
45:28not that over lovingly mother. But she
45:31didn't do any of that. She didn't not
45:33only did she not love her kids, but she
45:34didn't even want to be around her kids,
45:36which is very different. You guys grew
45:38up, we're a very close family because we
45:40always wanted to be around each other.
45:41So regardless, uh yeah. So Diane DS is
45:45in jail for hopefully ever, but if not,
45:47she is in Oregon, which is just across.
45:49No, she's in California. Oh, that's
45:51right. She is in California now because
45:52Oregon couldn't keep her in because she
45:54escaped. That's not a [ __ ] shock, by
45:56the way. Now she comes back to Oregon.
45:58If she comes back to Oregon to look for
46:00anything, I mean, listen, we're in
46:02Washington. We're fairly close. Diane,
46:05we could Squid Game this. Ma'am, don't
46:07even try. Don't even try. [ __ ] don't
46:10even [ __ ] Don't even try. Anyways, uh
46:12if you like what you hear and if you
46:14like the crime [ __ ] topics, make sure
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46:22post new episodes. And I think other
46:25than that, I am just going to tell y'all
46:28thank you for listening. We appreciate
46:30you and I'll catch you on the flip side,
46:32[ __ ] Bye, [ __ ]

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