Detectives Close in On Diane Downs in 1983 Recorded Phone Call — Transcript

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1. 0:03Hello, this is Diane.
2. 0:04>> Hi. Hope I didn't uh get you out your
3. 0:07route or anything.
4. 0:08>> No, I Well, I finished early. What
5. 0:10What's up?
6. 0:11>> Uh I had some photographs of some guys
7. 0:14and I was wondering if we'd get together
8. 0:16and uh show them to you.
9. 0:18>> Okay. Not right now. I can't find my
10. 0:20brother. He's He gave me a call. He
11. 0:23wants me to call him and I can't get a I
12. 0:25can't find him. So, I'm going to find
13. 0:27him first. I'll get back with you later
14. 0:29on today if that's all right.
15. 0:31>> Okay. You He probably wants to get a
16. 0:32hold of you cuz I was I called him this
17. 0:35morning.
18. 0:35>> Oh, that's possible. What time did you
19. 0:37call him this morning?
20. 0:38>> Oh, about 9.
21. 0:40>> He was supposed to be at school. He's in
22. 0:42trouble.
23. 0:43>> Sounded the phone ran a long time.
24. 0:44Sounded like uh maybe he was sleeping.
25. 0:47>> Oh, he might have been. We stayed up
26. 0:49late. He was cramming for a math test.
27. 0:52>> Mhm.
28. 0:52>> Oh, no. I bet he slept in. Oh dear.
29. 0:55Okay. Well, let me go and try to find
30. 0:57him. Maybe he's just outside or
31. 0:59something. Let me find him and I'll get
32. 1:01back with you. Okay.
33. 1:02>> Okay, fine.
34. 1:02>> Thanks.
35. 1:03>> Goodbye.
36. 1:11>> At all. I have to thank you though. The
37. 1:14badgering really helped.
38. 1:16And maybe that was your motive, but it
39. 1:18sure didn't come through very clean.
40. 1:21>> It accomplished something. You're
41. 1:23telling us that you know who shot your
42. 1:24kids?
43. 1:25>> I damn sure do. I remember that whole
44. 1:27[ __ ] night.
45. 1:28>> But you're not telling us who?
46. 1:30>> No. And I'm not going to.
47. 1:31>> Why?
48. 1:33You don't think it's important enough?
49. 1:35>> Oh, it's real important right now. But
50. 1:36I'm pissed.
51. 1:38>> Well, I don't care if you're mad at us
52. 1:40or whatever. If the person that shot
53. 1:41your kid is out wandering around, I want
54. 1:44to know who he is.
55. 1:45>> He's not going to hurt anybody else.
56. 1:46He's too scared right now.
57. 1:50>> Don't you think?
58. 1:50>> And besides, you don't believe me, Kurt.
59. 1:53>> Tell me who it is, and I might believe
60. 1:54you. How am I supposed to believe you if
61. 1:56you you say that you know who shot your
62. 1:59kid? You saw me.
63. 2:00>> You badger me. You sit there and taunt
64. 2:02me. Well, [ __ ] you.
65. 2:03>> You're not going to believe me no matter
66. 2:05what I say. So, I'm not going to tell
67. 2:07you, but I know who it is. And I
68. 2:08remember that whole damn night. I
69. 2:10remember there were two people there.
70. 2:11>> Mhm. Who are they?
71. 2:14>> I don't know. I don't know either of
72. 2:15them.
73. 2:16>> You just told me a few minutes ago you
74. 2:18it was.
75. 2:18>> I know who did it. I know how it
76. 2:20happened. But I'm not going to tell you.
77. 2:24I'm going to tell my attorney first.
78. 2:26>> Mhm.
79. 2:29>> And uh like you said earlier, it's a
80. 2:31game. You guys are playing a game and
81. 2:33you're playing with my life right now.
82. 2:35>> I told you it's a real serious game.
83. 2:37>> A real serious game.
84. 2:38>> Right. Right. And you're you're telling
85. 2:40us you told us a few minutes ago that
86. 2:42you know who shot your kid. You saw him
87. 2:43do it. And you're not going to tell us
88. 2:46who did it.
89. 2:47>> That's right.
90. 2:49Because I don't trust you. You don't
91. 2:52trust.
92. 2:52>> You guys have a way of losing things and
93. 2:54misplacing information
94. 2:57or using it against me.
95. 3:00>> It would seem
96. 3:01>> I'm not playing that game anymore. I'm
97. 3:02not playing by your rules. I'm going to
98. 3:04find the [ __ ] myself.
99. 3:05>> It would seem that that would help you
100. 3:06if you told us who it was and we got him
101. 3:08in here.
102. 3:09>> It would only help me if you believe me,
103. 3:10but you don't believe me. You prove
104. 3:12that.
105. 3:14Taunting and badgering is not the best
106. 3:18way to tell somebody that you have
107. 3:19confidence in them. I told you you could
108. 3:21leave anytime you wanted to.
109. 3:23>> I know I did.
110. 3:23>> I told you several times. I also advised
111. 3:26you of your rights.
112. 3:26>> I agree with you.
113. 3:28>> That's true. You did.
114. 3:30>> And you understood him.
115. 3:31>> Yes. And I had no reason to leave cuz I
116. 3:34wasn't guilty.
117. 3:36>> That's fine. But now you're telling us
118. 3:38that uh you know who did it. You saw
119. 3:40them. You know their name.
120. 3:42>> How did I remember the whole night?
121. 3:44>> No, you told me you know their name.
122. 3:46>> Yeah, I know who did it. That he wasn't
123. 3:48present.
124. 3:51See, you don't believe me. So the hell
125. 3:53with you. I'll find a way to prove it.
126. 3:56>> Who was it?
127. 3:59>> Uh-uh. Don't play Mr. Nice. It won't
128. 4:01work.
129. 4:02>> I'm not playing Mr. Nice guy. I'm asking
130. 4:03you flat out. Who shot your kids?
131. 4:06>> Who pulled the trigger? I don't know.
132. 4:10>> Who hired that guy?
133. 4:15>> Steve.
134. 4:18And that's all I'm going to tell you.
135. 4:19I'm not going to tell you what happened
136. 4:20that night.
137. 4:21>> How do you know it was Steve?
138. 4:23>> Because he didn't just use my name.
139. 4:28>> What did he do?
140. 4:30>> Hey, Kurt. What did I just say? I'm not
141. 4:32going to tell you.
142. 4:33>> We're not playing games, Diane.
143. 4:35>> I know. It's not a game at all, Kurt.
144. 4:37>> Right. If you know
145. 4:38>> some [ __ ] shot my daughter because
146. 4:40Steve wanted it done and killed her.
147. 4:44It's not a game at all.
148. 4:46It's very serious.
149. 4:48>> You give me the answers and Steve's
150. 4:50going to be in jail.
151. 4:52>> No, it won't.
152. 4:53>> Within the
153. 4:54>> You're just going to take me to court
154. 4:55and say that I changed my story and [ __ ]
155. 4:57everything up for me and I know the
156. 5:00truth and I know what happened now.
157. 5:02>> Okay.
158. 5:02>> And you're right. It's uglier than what
159. 5:04I what I really saw.
160. 5:06>> What is the truth?
161. 5:08>> No, I don't trust you. Not after what I
162. 5:11just went through with you guys. And
163. 5:13reminding me that I have the right to
164. 5:15walk out doesn't make it any better.
165. 5:18>> You sure you know what the truth is,
166. 5:20Diane?
167. 5:20>> Yes, I do.
168. 5:23>> And you're not going to share it with
169. 5:24us.
170. 5:25>> Hello, Doug.
171. 5:26>> You're not going to share it with us,
172. 5:28huh?
173. 5:28>> There you go again. [ __ ] you, Doug. I
174. 5:31know the truth. And I'm not going to
175. 5:33tell you.
176. 5:35>> No way in hell.
177. 5:35>> It's pretty important. I mean, if
178. 5:38somebody else shot your kids, uh, it
179. 5:40would get you off the hook, you know, if
180. 5:42nobody's told you that yet. Do you care
181. 5:44anything about your kids?
182. 5:46>> I love my kids more than anything in
183. 5:48this earth.
184. 5:48>> Do you want this thing, uh, brought to
185. 5:50justice?
186. 5:53>> I don't know how you can prove he did
187. 5:55it.
188. 5:57>> Let us worry about that.
189. 6:02Tell us the whole story, Diane.
190. 6:08I don't trust you.
191. 6:11Damn it. I wish I could trust somebody.
192. 6:14>> Well, you're making me think now you
193. 6:16don't have a story yet.
194. 6:19>> Your little mind games aren't going to
195. 6:20work either because I know the truth.
196. 6:24>> Well, you're going to have to start
197. 6:25trusting someone and some someone in our
198. 6:29field because that's the only way that
199. 6:31uh this thing is going to come to an
200. 6:33end.
201. 6:34You almost convinced me. Almost.
202. 6:38>> That's the way it is. I mean, I'm not
203. 6:39putting you on. That's the way it is.
204. 6:42>> You know what?
205. 6:43>> What?
206. 6:45>> I don't even care if you throw me in
207. 6:47jail
208. 6:49cuz it was uglier than I thought.
209. 6:52>> It was uglier than you thought. What was
210. 6:54uglier than you thought?
211. 6:56>> The fact that somebody could hate me so
212. 6:58much that they'd destroy my kids
213. 7:01just to get even with me.
214. 7:06Tell us about it, Diane.
215. 7:11>> Keep yourself out of jail if that's what
216. 7:14you want.
217. 7:18>> All I want is for my kids to be happy
218. 7:20and safe.
219. 7:21>> You can have that, too, if you tell us
220. 7:23the truth.
221. 7:24>> If you can't put him in jail and I get
222. 7:26my kids back, is he going to shoot us
223. 7:27again?
224. 7:29Is he going to get all of them this
225. 7:31time?
226. 7:34A lot depends upon what you tell us and
227. 7:36whether or not it's the truth.
228. 7:37>> If I don't say anything, maybe he'll
229. 7:38never get another chance to shoot the
230. 7:40kids because the kids won't be a threat
231. 7:42to him.
232. 7:43>> Come on. We went over that, Diane.
233. 7:47As long as uh the truth is out there
234. 7:49floating around, there's always a threat
235. 7:52if this if this stranger is running
236. 7:54around,
237. 7:57right?
238. 8:02not going to be a threat until whoever
239. 8:04shot your kid is off the street.
240. 8:08>> You can't prove he did it. He was in
241. 8:11Arizona.
242. 8:11>> What else do you have to tell us, Diane?
243. 8:17>> How the yellow card ties in? How many
244. 8:20people were there? What they did to me?
245. 8:25Why there's a time lapse and everything
246. 8:26took so long?
247. 8:28Okay.
248. 8:30>> No, cuz when I say those words, I
249. 8:33realize that you guys are just waiting
250. 8:35>> to call it a fart.
251. 8:36>> Uh-uh. I'm not talking to you guys
252. 8:38anymore. I will talk to my attorney and
253. 8:41that's all I'm going to do.
254. 8:43>> That's your right, Diane.
255. 8:44>> I know it. And I exercise that right
256. 8:46because I've tried to be as honest with
257. 8:48you as I possibly could.
258. 8:49>> No, come on. Let's get straight. You
259. 8:52tried to be as honest as you could,
260. 8:53right? So, what's what's all this about?
261. 8:55I'm not going to tell you this. I'm not
262. 8:56going to tell you that. changed my mind
263. 8:57about being honest with you guys. You
264. 8:59aren't to be trusted.
265. 9:03>> I can guarantee you 100% that whoever
266. 9:06shot your kids is going to be behind
267. 9:08bars.
268. 9:11>> Can you guarantee that?
269. 9:14>> Yeah.
270. 9:14>> You can?
271. 9:16>> I think so.
272. 9:19>> That's the first time you've made a
273. 9:20guarantee to me.
274. 9:22You know I hate gambles,
275. 9:25>> right?
276. 9:26Just just [clears throat] make sure it's
277. 9:28the truth this time, Diane. Ah,
278. 9:30>> that's all I needed. Doug, you [ __ ]
279. 9:31up. I have told you the truth all along.
280. 9:35>> You told me that when I remembered
281. 9:36something, I was supposed to let you
282. 9:38guys know, but when I did, you taunted
283. 9:42me with it.
284. 9:45>> We have to check these things out. The
285. 9:47fact that uh you come up with some new
286. 9:49information doesn't necessarily mean
287. 9:50it's truth immediately.
288. 9:52>> Oh, I know.
289. 9:53>> Not until we've looked into it. what I
290. 9:55mean. Damn it. How do you prove what I'm
291. 9:57saying?
292. 9:58>> That's our job, right? We've told you
293. 10:00that over and over again. It's our job
294. 10:02to be proven.
295. 10:02>> So far, you haven't been able to prove
296. 10:04anything.
297. 10:06>> How do you know that?
298. 10:08>> Cuz you're still chasing me. And I know
299. 10:10I didn't do it.
300. 10:12>> We're chasing you because there's a lot
301. 10:13of things that don't jive. And part of
302. 10:15that reason is because you're not being
303. 10:16straight with us. And just because I
304. 10:18tell you exactly what happened that
305. 10:20night,
306. 10:22that doesn't mean,
307. 10:27that doesn't mean you can prove he did
308. 10:29it.
309. 10:31It's a losing battle.
310. 10:34I quit. I give up. If you guys want to
311. 10:35throw me in jail, have at it. I Steve
312. 10:38wins this time. This is the ultimate. I
313. 10:40quit.
314. 10:42I'm not going to fight him anymore. He
315. 10:44won. Bye.
316. 10:48The time is now 1817
317. 10:527:2283.
318. 10:54The conversation with Diane DS has just
319. 10:56been terminated.
320. 10:58It should also be noted that I had left
321. 11:00the office for a few minutes and
322. 11:02Detective West received a phone call and
323. 11:05had been conversing with Diane for
324. 11:07approximately three minutes
325. 11:10before I was able to gain access to a
326. 11:14tape recorder.