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0:00So I dare you Nudin I dare you to make a
0:03video objectively the final nail in the
0:06coffin of Nudin.
0:07>> We've been silent not because we can not
0:09respond. We choose not to give such
0:11people air time.
0:12>> I feel embarrassed at even having to
0:13point this out.
0:14>> Yeah.
0:14>> If you can't even um mention or
0:17correctly pronounce the names of the
0:19scholars of hadith. Then what position
0:20are you in to be claiming this hadith is
0:22a fabrication. He also needs to make
0:23Toba and so does his friend his buddy
0:25sidekick because they mock the hadith of
0:27the messenger of Allah. If you got you
0:28got personal thing against you got
0:30personal thing against somebody because
0:31they didn't let you teach in such such
0:32and such mid keep that to yourself.
0:34It'll destroy your over it. No attack
0:36over it
0:38has no clue whatsoever what he's talking
0:40about. He's confident in his own bedroom
0:41when he's pushed on it and he accuses
0:43the people are running away and says no
0:44one's willing to debate him. But when it
0:46come to the comes to the crunch he has
0:48absolutely no idea. So you can't even
0:50read the language that the book is in.
0:51But what qualifies you to analyze it and
0:53speak about it and give verdicts about
0:54it?
0:54>> Absolutely.
0:56But not as
1:01>> Yeah.
1:01>> Just because you've got personal trauma
1:03from a brilliant
1:05give you the license to go and be unjust
1:08in attacking an im of it's actually
1:11embarrassing. And that's why I think
1:14to go back to basics.
1:18>> I mean
1:21they teach for free don't charge any
1:22money going in. You guys actually walked
1:25into each other. You were there and he's
1:27also there. Tell us what really
1:29happened. What happened when you were
1:30there?
1:30>> Cuz he was absolutely annihilated. So I
1:32said to him, "Look, we're in the masid.
1:35He's in the masid of the of the library.
1:37Let's bring out the book. You read the
1:39passage and explain and tell me what you
1:40think it says
1:41>> and I'll read the passage and explain
1:42and tell you what I think it says."
1:43>> Right? And we can see he's repeated lies
1:45against
1:47and he has no qualification to
1:49investigate them whatsoever. He is
1:51complete andah and he is from amongst
1:53those who speak about the dean without
1:55any knowledge. They need to make dba
1:56from mocking this miracle of the
1:58messenger of Allahatam.
2:00They think that this is a fabrication.
2:01They made a mockery of it. They were
2:02laughing and joking about this hadith of
2:05the messenger of Allah. Miracle of the
2:06messenger of Allah.
2:07>> If you have any sincerity and not even
2:09sincerity if you have any loyalty toatam
2:12you will apologize.
2:13>> Okay. I know is watching. I know a
2:15psychic psych psychic watching. So I'm
2:17going to address them directly. The
2:18challenge to you. Challenge number one.
2:19This also for Nudin to make Ali
2:22spreading truthhead who's actually
2:24spreading falsehood uh make Toba from
2:27his association and praise of engineer
2:30is academically annihilated. Yeah.
2:46Alhamdulillah.
3:10Alhamdulillah. Welcome to another
3:12podcast, but inshallah. Today we're
3:14going to do things a little bit
3:15differently. Alhamdulillah.
3:17Um, you know, alhamdulillah, not just in
3:21Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, but
3:24globally, Im Ahmed Raza aliad,
3:30his teachings,
3:32uh, the way that he spread the dean of
3:35Alisam and his knowledge is unmatchable.
3:39And this is something that's not just
3:41accepted in the Indian subcontinent but
3:44also in the Arab world. Alhamdulillah
3:47with that I'll add that uh you know
3:48there are teams in the UK that are
3:50currently looking to and have
3:51successfully uh now looking to uh
3:55translate for via in Arabic.
3:56Alhamdulillah which is a campaign that
3:58had been uh going on for a while. But
4:01specifically what I and uh my my guest
4:05who I'm going to introduce shortly or
4:07wanted to do in this podcast
4:09specifically
4:10namely there've been two individuals
4:13who seemed as though uh they have
4:18nothing better to do than to
4:22pick up uh you know some sort of a
4:24mantle which they think is a mantle of
4:28trying to discredit attempting to
4:30dishonor and I'm trying I'm using the
4:32word attempting because they never can
4:33actually do it. attempting to disrespect
4:37and dishonor Imam Ahmed Bilman
4:42uh trying to you know disparage almost
4:47his works trying to pick faults when
4:50faults don't even exist in those places
4:53and not just Allah immediat
4:57but also other
5:00of the sunnah who have worked day and
5:03night and dedicated their entire entire
5:05lives to give us and also preserve the
5:10of
5:12particularly my reference is Nurin
5:17uh and uh spreading falsehood as I like
5:20to call him but spreading truth is his
5:22channel his name is Ali I've been told
5:25uh they've made some remarks regarding
5:28Imam Ahmed Raza and we've been quiet for
5:31a while because uh you know when we want
5:34to respond. We want to respond with we
5:37don't want to respond just but you guys
5:39know me. I respond I love controversy. I
5:42love a bit of back and fro. However,
5:45this time I wanted to have with me
5:47somebody who not only knows what he's
5:50talking about but has actually not just
5:53opened the books you know he's studied
5:56he's well learned he's the muti and we
5:59are very very glad to have us in our
6:01camp. Alhamdulillah. He is the the honor
6:03of Jama in the UK. We've done a podcast
6:07with him before as well. Um he will
6:09inshallah deliver some of the answers
6:11and rebuttals to some of the most
6:13ridiculous claims that they've made. And
6:16I just want to repeat that we've been
6:17silent not because we can not respond.
6:20We choose not to give such people air
6:22time but the fact that they've started
6:25to cross certain limits and thinking
6:28that you know and also the public we
6:31don't want them to think
6:33that we don't have any response but we
6:36want a response with dial with evidence
6:39and do it properly inshallah. So this is
6:41a complete rebuttal of those two. Uh you
6:45can call them chuckle brothers or
6:46whatever you like to refer them to at
6:48this point. But I am firstly will say
6:51also I'm very honored that the sheh has
6:54traveled so far from his home uh to come
6:57to my home. Uh Allah bless him and honor
7:00him. He was unwell yesterday. He
7:01informed me but still alhamdulillah he
7:04came and he's here and uh I am speaking
7:08about none other than
7:16>> sorry for the really long introduction
7:17but I thought some things have to be
7:19said from a host's perspective but bless
7:23you alhamdulillah how are you
7:24>> alhamdulillah
7:25>> thank you for having me
7:26>> Allah bless you thank you for coming
7:28>> Allah reward you thank you so much
7:29>> Allah bless you mah
7:31Sheh, I want to start off with the the
7:33right in the crux of the discussion.
7:37>> I want to go back a little bit. I feel
7:39like after she Assar had this discussion
7:43with Nuruin, he's gone off the racks a
7:46little bit in the sense where he's been
7:48rattled. Hassan was there, Sheh Assar
7:51was there, you yourself was present in
7:53that meeting which is uh on social media
7:56itself. Um it seems that ever since then
8:00uh there's been a lot of video content
8:02that he's been creating about Allah
8:04whether it's regarding you know his he's
8:06his claim that Allah has fabricated
8:09narrations in his books and that he
8:11disrespected Allah the Almighty and he
8:13swore regarding Allah the Almighty and
8:15insulted Allah the Almighty
8:19um and going after
8:23but what I wanted to start off with
8:25first and which is something that we
8:27discussed prior is of course uh in your
8:30words I want to begin with for those who
8:33might not know even though it's very
8:34impossible for someone to not know Imam
8:36Muhammad Raza in your words just
8:39summarize who is Allah immed the main
8:42point of discussion here today
8:59is a revor of Islam, a mujid of Islam.
9:03He is a master of dozens of sciences, an
9:06author of over a thousand books. A man
9:09whose chains of narration in hadith have
9:11spread all over the world. a man from
9:13whom the likes of Muslim
9:16Abdanah
9:18the great Muhamad of Morocco took from
9:22and then spread the hijaza across the
9:24world. Um a man who spent his life
9:27defending the honor of Allah subhanahu
9:29wa ta'ala and the messenger of Allah
9:31sallallahu alaihi wasallam. A man who
9:34was engrossed in the love of the
9:36messenger of Allah
9:39wasallam and whose legacy lives on
9:43across the world as you mentioned in
9:44your introduction
9:48and his works are looked at with
9:52reverence as the legacy of
9:55of the century that he lived in the 14th
9:58Islamic century
10:00by and scholars all across the
10:03So if you look at for example his
10:05contribution to
10:08just his Arabic super commentary on the
10:12fatawa the hash of
10:17which is called
10:19is regarded as the
10:24authoritative
10:25commentary on the hash and in terms of
10:28the the and the benefits in that
10:31scholars from Damascus, from Egypt, from
10:34Alzar,
10:35from all over the world because it's in
10:37Arabic. They have benefited from it for,
10:40you know, decades and decades ever since
10:42it was published.
11:14the kill.
11:16You
11:23Love your
11:29man.
11:45So immedah
11:47is not the founder of a sect. He's not
11:49somebody called to something new. He uh
11:53received and transmitted the legacy of
11:57as is encapsulated by the scholars of
12:02and the imams of
12:05and the people of so this is in brief.
12:11Unfortunately, it's sad that um
12:14because of perhaps personal grudges or
12:16perhaps personal trauma that people have
12:18been through, they have um been very
12:21biased against the im. I wanted to begin
12:25with a verse of the Quran in which Allah
12:27subhana wa ta'ala
12:29command us to be just says
12:37oh you who believe
12:49be just for justice is closer to piety.
12:53Do not let
12:55hatred for a nation incite you. And then
13:00it says,
13:03>> "Do not allow the hatred of a nation to
13:05cause you to commit injustice."
13:08This is revealed in the context of the
13:10Sahabah dealing with the mushik of
13:12Makkah. Even with kufur, Allah Almighty
13:15is commanding them to be just in their
13:18response, in their rebuttal
13:20>> in how they deal with them.
13:21>> Right? If they've oppressed you, then
13:23you are well within your rights to
13:26defend yourselves.
13:27>> You can protect yourselves, protect your
13:28families, you can um stand up for
13:32yourselves. But just because somebody
13:34has oppressed you, just because somebody
13:36has caused harm to you, that doesn't
13:38give you the license to cross the
13:40boundaries, to commit oppression,
13:41>> of course,
13:42>> to transgress,
13:43>> basically say whatever you want and
13:44however you want. Yeah. So even when
13:46you're dealing with an enemy,
13:48non-Muslims,
13:50you're supposed to maintain justice,
13:52>> right? Um and these individuals who you
13:55mentioned, they have gone beyond the
13:59bounds of transgression, of oppression
14:02um and they have been completely unjust
14:05in their treatment of the works of the
14:06imrove that by their own standards. So
14:09for example uh this man he often says
14:11that um if an imam has made a mistake or
14:14an imam has included a fabrication in
14:16his book you should call it out
14:18>> and this video saying ahmed fabricated
14:20hadith so inshallah very shortly we're
14:23going to demonstrate that these same a
14:25hadith which these people have claimed
14:27are fabrications are found in the books
14:30of scholars that they respect that they
14:31quote from
14:32>> right
14:33>> so let's begin
14:35I want to start with a hadith which they
14:38quoted from the 30th volume of
14:44the magnum opus of
14:48so this is a very long narration that
14:50you know has brought forward but I'm
14:52going to try my best to read it and you
14:53know let's see whether it's authentic or
14:54not so
15:10Not only is once again
15:12putting a fabrication in his words, what
15:14was being said here? There are 300
15:16Muslims on the heart of this great
15:18scholar as far as they're concerned.
15:19This mujah as far as they're concerned
15:20this [laughter] as far as they're
15:20concerned read this didn't think twice.
15:22No alarms ranking but has lied against
15:24my prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
15:25How dare you? You're holding somebody up
15:27as one of the great scholars of recent
15:28times and this great and he's got this
15:29terrible fabrication. I might have
15:31mentioned this before is one of the
15:32greatest scholars in in our tradition.
15:33People do become shocked when they
15:35realize that his books have fabrications
15:36in them.
15:37>> And in this
15:39he quotes as hadith number 15 of over
15:42200 hadiths which he quotes to prove
15:45that the messenger of Allah is
15:49>> his famous work by the way is available
15:52in the Arabic language and is widely
15:54accepted and loved by Arab across the
15:57world. This hadith that they pulled out
15:59is from that work. Okay? And it's a
16:01hadith in which it is quoted that it's
16:05inu
16:07um correctly unlike they did.
16:10>> So there's a bit of a fail in in
16:11reading.
16:13Another
16:14>> um another sticking point if you can't
16:16even read the language that the book is
16:17in
16:19>> chat GB. No chat GBT here.
16:21>> Yeah. What what qualifies you to analyze
16:23and speak about and give verb absolutely
16:27he says that the messenger of Allah
16:30said
16:39indeed Allah subhana t in his creation
16:41has 300
16:44who are upon the heart of Adam.
17:00So 40 of them are upon the heart of Mus
17:02Alam. Seven of them are upon the heart
17:03of Ibraim. Five of them are on the heart
17:06of Jubilee Alisam. Three of them are
17:08upon the heart of Mikam. And one of them
17:10is upon the heart of Israelisam.
17:13So here the man who made a mockery of
17:15this hadith, sacred hadith of the
17:18messenger of Allah
17:20was using disgusting and repulsive
17:23terminology
17:25um questioning the logic behind these
17:27words saying how can there be these who
17:29are upon the heart of Adam and Mus Alam?
17:32Does that mean they were upon the same
17:33level as them? Does that mean that this
17:35means that there's people who are
17:37nonprphets who are equal to prophets?
17:39>> That's not at all. All it means is that
17:43they are representing the
17:45characteristics of those MBR. Got it. So
17:48then it continues and it says
17:54out of the three
17:56um
17:58when when the one whose heart is upon
18:00isam when he passes away he is replaced
18:03by one who is one of the three upon the
18:06heart of Mikam and so on and so forth.
18:08Say um
18:24and then he mentions
18:32and by their means Allah subhana ta
18:36gives life and gives death and makes it
18:39rain and makes plants grow and repels
18:43calamities.
18:44>> Subhan Allah.
18:45>> Through the through the dua, I
18:47>> love the dua
18:48>> of those Allah subhana tala gives life
18:50and death and gives rain and makes
18:52vegetation grow and repels calamities.
18:54Um, [snorts] which in here is translated
18:57as
19:15[laughter]
19:18he said. He said,
19:23"Uh,
19:28>> [laughter]
19:39>> Not even
19:51you can't even I mean it's pathetic
19:52really. Yeah,
19:53>> I feel embarrassed even having to point
19:55this out.
19:56>> If you can't even um mention or
19:58correctly pronounce the names of the
20:00scholars of hadith, then what position
20:03are you in to be claiming this hadith is
20:04a fabrication?
20:05>> Exactly. And the fact that he was
20:07sitting there and still didn't correct
20:08him.
20:09>> Yeah, of course. I mean, these people,
20:10not just the the Jahil uh who is
20:13presenting this channel, but even the
20:15so-called scholar that he hosts,
20:18unfortunately, I mean, I'm not saying
20:19this out of bias, out of hatred. I've
20:21I've started off with a verse that says
20:23don't transgress because you dislike
20:24someone.
20:25>> So this is not a personal grudge. This
20:27is um and we're going to show this
20:29inshallah as we continue this
20:31discussion. The individual who he has as
20:33a scholar telling him whether that
20:35hadith is weak or fabricated is
20:37completely out of his depths
20:39>> and is objectively a complete and
20:42utterah in the field of hadith. So
20:45that's the hadith that's mentioned by
20:49in
20:51now
20:53>> what what volume was that
20:54>> that's volume 30 volume
20:56>> volume 30 in
20:59this in my hands is fatawi by the great
21:03the revival of Islam the great ali
21:09who is a hallmark of
21:12and he has in this a collection of
21:13fatawa and a collection
21:15And one of the that he has is
21:24which is an epistle on proving the
21:28existence of the
21:30Abdal which are ranks in the right. So
21:33these ranks of the oly that are alluded
21:36to in that hadith of the messenger of
21:38Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam these
21:39are not from the fabrications of the
21:40people of they haven't invented these
21:42ranks they haven't invented these terms
21:44>> they have an basically okay
21:46>> so um in the video as well it's strange
21:49because when he was claiming that this
21:51hadith is fabricated one of the scholars
21:53he quoted was
21:55so he's saying that called this hadith a
21:58fabrication
21:59>> so let's look at the reality from the
22:01book not from.
22:04So
22:07he opens up after the he says
22:15and
22:22he says that he's reached me from
22:25someone who has no knowledge. The
22:28rejection of that which has become
22:30famous from the
22:33amongst
22:43he says that the which have come to
22:46prove that
22:52he says that I've gathered those in this
22:55uh section
22:58so that it can be benefited from.
23:01And then he continues and mentions what
23:02he named the book and then he mentions
23:03some of the hadith. And amongst [snorts]
23:05these hadith, guess what? Lo and behold,
23:09he mentions the narration which is
23:11quoted by
23:16>> and he mentions the chain of narration
23:18and he says he says
23:28Allah
23:40to learn the exact same hadith and at
23:43the end he mentions clearly
23:46he was said to
23:50meet so there's a a question an
23:52objection of in some people's minds
23:54about this hadith. How are you saying
23:56that Allah subhana t gives life and
23:58death through the means of these oly?
24:00How are you saying that Allah repels
24:03calamity through the means of these oly
24:06what does these have to do with it?
24:07>> Yeah. So he says
24:18because they ask for Allah subhana wa
24:21ta'ala to increase the nations and Allah
24:23increases them that's living life
24:30and they make dua against the tyrants.
24:33So the tyrants are crushed. That's Allah
24:35giving death through the horse.
24:40They seek rain from Allahh.
24:43own. So they are given rain
24:49and they make dua to Allahha and Allah
24:52subhana t makes the earth grow like the
24:54vegetation of the earth grow for them
24:58and they
25:00make dua
25:04by their means different types of
25:06calamities are repelled
25:11imbak narrated this hadith. So according
25:14to this individual, it's only
25:16permissible to mention a fabrication
25:19>> if you're going to say it's a
25:20fabrication.
25:22>> Otherwise, it's haram to mention a
25:23fabrication. So
25:26hasn't mentioned this hadith and said
25:27it's a fabrication. He's mentioned this
25:29hadith and he's using it asal at the
25:31start of the book. He's saying, "I'm
25:32going to respond to this ignorant person
25:36who's denied the existence of the Abdal
25:38and the
25:39>> and he's using that hadith as his point
25:41of reference."
25:41>> Yeah. And I'm going to give you I'm
25:43going to give you a a collection of
25:45hadith to prove it and amongst them as
25:47proof he's giving this hadith.
25:50So now the challenge is for these people
25:53to make a video put on the thumbnail
25:57fabricated hadith and then to mention
25:59this
26:00>> and apply the same principle
26:01>> and say does you not know hadith when he
26:04was reading this you do not realize that
26:05this is so strange this is so this is so
26:08absurd this is so ridiculous how could
26:10this even be a hadith this should make
26:12the alarm bells ring in your mind when
26:13you read this content that this is not a
26:15hadith and you should investigate and it
26:17shows that
26:20This is by the way respecting is a Quran
26:22of course and we're telling them to say
26:25these words he didn't know hadith
26:28>> because I will say this if any Muslim
26:29who has no education whatsoever no real
26:31Islamic education but to read this
26:32hadith I mean stud average Muslim reads
26:37some familiarity had read this hadith
26:38right away
26:40here there are 300 Muslims on the heart
26:42of hold on a minute um you know how does
26:45that make any sense this is a prophet of
26:46how can a non prophet be on his harmony
26:48at the same level as his And what about
26:50you? No. Um so how come there are other
26:52people who are the same because the
26:54heart speaking about spiritual heart. So
26:55spiritual level even your person would
26:58look at this and think I need to check
26:59this. Let me go to let me go to let me
27:01go to somebody and ask them is this even
27:02authentic? But for some reason this
27:04great as far as I concerned this as far
27:06as I concerned this as far as I
27:07concerned read this didn't think twice
27:09no longer rank and he wrote it as
27:12>> yeah very very I dare you to make a
27:16video against and he's saying look we're
27:18objective it doesn't matter who the imam
27:20is even if it's from one of our own
27:22imams we objective we will treat all the
27:24imams the same so let's see if that's
27:26true or if you actually I don't think
27:28it's true I think he's not objective um
27:31so I don't want to make It's too long
27:33because there's other things to discuss
27:35but I've demonstrated it from
27:40mentions the same hadith and he mentions
27:43that there are other of the hadith there
27:45other narrations of the hadith which
27:48strengthen it. So sometimes because
27:49obviously when someone's ignorant of uh
27:52hadith then I think it's important that
27:53we educate them on some of these things.
27:55Um even if there is a narration which
27:57has some weakness in it chain
28:00even if one individual chain is proven
28:03to be weak not talking about
28:05fabrications
28:06>> about weak narations weakness
28:08>> uh even if in one chain of this hadith
28:10there is some weakness some scholars
28:11have spoken about that the likes of Imb
28:14joi
28:16um which he who he quotes often by the
28:18way he primarily quotes Josie Allah but
28:22again he doesn't probably realize that
28:24Josie is considered by the muadis the
28:26scholars of hadith the people of hadith
28:28as being muted did in his analysis of
28:32change of narration okay so going to
28:34only jo each time for every hadith is
28:37against the the princip principal
28:39methodologies of howith
28:42works because he's known to be from the
28:44he he goes to the extremes he get he was
28:47over strict there some who are like
28:51is considered to be he is too slightly
28:55lax when it comes to grading hadith
28:58>> and Josie is considered to be mut and he
29:00goes over the top. There's hadith which
29:02are weak and he calls them fabrications.
29:04There's hadith which are and he calls
29:05them weak. Okay. So anyhow
29:08um
29:13number 35 here he mentions um
29:17he mentions.
29:22So he's giving there the of the to the
29:26and he's not considering that
29:27problematic in
29:29>> he's not considering that to be like the
29:30Shia or something like these crazy
29:32individuals have claimed this is pure
29:35sunnah this is pure sunni belief
29:36regarding the ola that they follow the
29:38footsteps of course they even if all of
29:41the come together let alone the prophets
29:44and the immedah and all of these ims is
29:48let alone the if all the after the
29:50sahaba come together and unite. All of
29:53their ranks are united. It doesn't mean
29:54it doesn't meet the rank of one sahhabi
29:56of the prophet.
30:02There's no doubt whatsoever in the from
30:05this hadith or from what these imams are
30:06saying.
30:08>> Um so anyhow he mentions this hadith and
30:10he says that there are different roots
30:14for this hadith
30:15>> and they are weak.
30:17>> Okay,
30:17>> he doesn't say they're fabricated
30:18though. Says they're weak. And remember,
30:20there's a world of a difference between
30:22a fabrication and a weak hadith.
30:24>> Right?
30:24>> A weak hadith is still a hadith. A
30:26fabrication is not hadith at all.
30:28>> A weak hadith still has to be respected,
30:30of course,
30:30>> because it's still very likely that they
30:31are the words of the messenger of
30:32Allaham.
30:34It just doesn't need a rigorous level of
30:35authenticity to establish like halal and
30:38haram and certain categories of rulings.
30:40>> So the mut still stands.
30:42>> Yeah. Yeah. So the chain has some
30:43weakness in it. But even then he says
30:52He says, "I say, however, this hadith is
30:56strengthened by the abundant
30:59multiplicity of its roots, of its
31:01chains." So even if you prove one chain
31:04to be weak, the same hadith is being
31:06proven from other chains. When you bring
31:07all of those chains together, even aith
31:10can rise to the level of
31:14so in other words, what he's saying is
31:17that this narration regarding the oly um
31:20being in these certain groups of numbers
31:22and then these a
31:24uh being following the footsteps of the
31:27this is proven from hadith which are
31:28weak fabricated first of all and then
31:30even that weakness is uh raised through
31:35the multiplicity of change. So that's an
31:37important point from
31:39and then we have the renowned
31:45the renowned scholar of of and the mut
31:50of Damascus during the Ottoman times
31:59our beloved im. So he also mentions this
32:04hadith.
32:05>> So
32:05>> and uh our interlocutor
32:09the man who seems to have this agenda
32:12against
32:14this unfair and unbiased agenda against
32:16Im. We will see now if he's just We'll
32:20see now if he's unbiased because guess
32:22what? He quotes imb often and he loves
32:26Imbin
32:31in pretty much every that he writes and
32:34every ruling that he gives.
32:36So imbin
32:42this is volume number two and it's page
32:45number 477.
32:49He also by the way is writing a
32:51defending the concept of the abd and the
32:54just like imi did. So this is part of a
32:58a wider epistle and in this epistle what
33:01he's doing is he's basically um proving
33:05the existence of these. So it's called
33:15>> so he's proving the existence of the abd
33:19and the
33:22so you going to call him by the way does
33:24that mean? And then on the next page he
33:25mentions the exact same hadith that was
33:28mentioned by
33:31so he says
33:51so I dare you
33:53I dare you to make a video and write on
33:55it fabricating hadith
33:58and I dare you to use the same words the
34:01same energy that you had for immed
34:06and say accuse him of promoting Shia
34:08beliefs accuse him of saying that the oy
34:11like the the prophets and how this is
34:12all fabricated I dare you so let's see
34:16time will tell
34:16>> we will hear back I don't think there's
34:18anything to say after all of that so
34:20just for someone like someone who lacks
34:24a lot of understanding like myself just
34:26for the audience uh who are far more
34:28intelligent than I. So looking at all of
34:31these are hadith put put it together in
34:33summary then that actual hadith
34:36>> y
34:36>> does it then like you mentioned like a
34:38weak hadith can then become is that the
34:42status we would give this can be
34:43classified as even if said it's there's
34:47no problem with that um because hadith
34:50are acceptable in and talking about true
34:54so even if we accept that it's weak we
34:57can say it's accepted in none of these
34:59is fabricated. Not a single one of them
35:01said it's a fabrication. If there is the
35:03odd quote of a muadis who's saying it's
35:06fabricated, that's not that's not
35:08infinitive. Of course, because remember
35:10classification of hadith is
35:11>> true.
35:12>> This is not something which is black and
35:14white. It's not like it came in the
35:15Quran that this is fabricated
35:18there's that this is fabricated.
35:20Obviously from centuries after the
35:22messenger of Allah
35:24and may Allah reward them, they put in
35:26their efforts. They made it. They looked
35:28up the change of narrators. They spoke
35:29about narrators. Sometimes you have
35:31different opinions about a single
35:32narrator. Sometimes there's a narrator
35:34where some some of the saying he's
35:36strong. Some are saying he's weak. Some
35:38are saying he's got a good memory. Some
35:39are saying he doesn't. So it's all it is
35:41hard.
35:42>> And so when you have a one-off quote of
35:44an im saying that this hadith is a
35:45fabrication, that doesn't give you the
35:47license to go out and then attack the
35:49hadith and say it's a fabrication and
35:51use like disparaging language. If
35:54there's there's a consensus and all are
35:56saying hadith is fabricated then of
35:58course
35:58>> that's fabricated and we have nothing to
36:00do with that of course but when the vast
36:02majority are using that hadith for
36:05evidence
36:06>> yeah for evidence for another discussion
36:08>> in what they're trying to prove they're
36:10not mentioning it to refute it
36:11>> they're using evidence from it shows you
36:14that they're accepting it accepting the
36:16meaning of it accepting the wording of
36:17it um and so it's you people need to be
36:20very very careful when speaking about
36:22the hadith of the messenger of Allah
36:24And it's sad because you know there's a
36:26a term in psychology called projection
36:29>> where somebody is suffering from a
36:30particular thing but they projecting
36:31onto somebody else.
36:33>> So someone's arrogant but they go around
36:35telling other people that they're
36:36arrogant.
36:36>> Yeah.
36:36>> So this guy is making video after video
36:38after video. Be careful in the way you
36:40speak about the do you have any about
36:42the words of the messenger of Allaham.
36:44You should have love for the prophetam.
36:46you should stand up for the honor of
36:49and in doing so the guy is disrespecting
36:53valid acceptable hadith of the messenger
36:55of Allah
36:57>> so who's the real here then in that
36:59sense I mean I'm not pointing the same
37:02>> this is this is just a sample this is
37:04just a sample um the guy said I'm going
37:06to do a full series I haven't watched
37:08all of them I'll be honest with you um
37:09but in preparation for this I went
37:11through a couple of them
37:12>> and it's it's it's laughable it's
37:15actually so sad
37:17>> um that somebody with such confidence is
37:21lying about the hadith of the messenger
37:23of Allah. So when somebody is so utterly
37:26unqualified that probably Chad or Google
37:29I don't know I mean it's clear that he's
37:31not read the books.
37:32>> Yeah they clearly he's read the book if
37:33you look at the screenshots you can see
37:34they're all from Chad Gibb they're all
37:36translated and they're transliterated
37:38from the Arabic or from the Udu to
37:40English. So clearly there's a lack of
37:42>> so there's either's a there's a lack of
37:44comprehension there's a lack of research
37:46um and somebody I think needs to go back
37:48to the books back to class um
37:50>> back to basics that's the
37:52>> back to basics so I want to mention the
37:54next narration
37:55>> um which is quoted by
38:00in the seventh volume of there's another
38:04hadith of the prophet sallallahu alaihi
38:06wasallam which he has claimed as a
38:07fabrication on the topic of zikar
38:11So it's reported by
38:15and okay and theith mentions that it's
38:20reported that the messenger of Allah
38:21sallallahu alaihi wasallam said
38:27whoever does not abandon me remember
38:29Allah subhana wa tala then he is free
38:31from im
38:34and
38:37mentioned this in a list of hadith that
38:40he was mentioning regarding the of
38:44>> so the objection against this was that
38:46this is a fabrication
38:47>> fabrication
38:48>> and that um there are so many virtues of
38:52zikar in the Quran and in sound hadith
38:54so why would you ignore all those well
38:56first of all he mentions the ayat and he
38:57mentions that hadith regarding zikar
38:59including this one
39:00>> now this is in the context of wild zaki
39:04you know he's talking about the virtues
39:05of making zikar and he quotes the
39:07following hadith or hadith abuera
39:21and the English translation to that is
39:24whoever does not make abundance zik of
39:27Allah he is free of im. So the question
39:30is is this a weak hadith? Is it a sahi
39:34hadith? I mean is it authentic? I never
39:36dispute that you can use weak hadith for
39:38certain aspects of deed. That is the
39:41classical position of Sunni hadith
39:43scholars. I never dispute that. The
39:45issue that I raise is these guys are not
39:48using weak hadith. They're using
39:49fabrication. This makes it very very
39:52clear that this man unfortunately he
39:55didn't have sound knowledge of hadith
39:58and worse still he wasn't doing
40:01sufficient research. you know have a
40:02look at it tell us is it authentic or is
40:04it fabricated [laughter]
40:08>> and this is no fabrication this is
40:10perfectly acceptable in
40:13and we're going to demonstrate that
40:14inshallah so um
40:20he mentions this and the incredible
40:22thing is that they had this passage the
40:26comments of
40:29on the screen and completely butchered
40:33it, completely tampered with
40:36>> what he's actually said.
40:37>> Yeah. Exactly.
40:38>> And delivered something completely
40:40different.
40:40>> The opposite like almost the opposite.
40:42Yeah.
40:42>> So, this is like um you know how the
40:45Jews would hide passages and be
40:48selective.
40:49>> We're going to see that later on with
40:50how they've been quoting from as well.
40:52Of course, this is a trait of the Jews.
40:54So, my plea to these people is that
40:57don't be like the Jews.
40:58>> We're Muslim. read the entire passage.
41:00>> Don't don't take things out of context.
41:02You know, the Jews, what they would do
41:03is that they would hide a line of the
41:05Torah and read from the line that
41:08basically served their purpose.
41:09>> Yeah.
41:10>> And then trick people like that and
41:11basically play the the masses.
41:13>> Yeah.
41:14>> These guys are not on the level of the
41:15Jews because they didn't hide it.
41:18>> They left it on screen. So, I don't know
41:19if that's better or worse.
41:22>> So, this guy, he says um that this is
41:26narrated by Muhammad Mahal.
41:30Is
41:31and in he mentions
41:36andb is
41:40so the claim was that is narrates
41:43fabrications
41:45which is completely wrong. It's a
41:47complete misreading of this text because
41:48it's not saying that is narrates modu.
41:53is saying Muhammad bin Sah narrates Modu
41:56from Muhamm
41:59then he went off on a rant attacking
42:00Mhamb is saying he's a fabricator he
42:04makes lies up against the prophetam
42:07is um there's different comments about
42:09him um in the books of
42:14>> um some of the scholars have said that
42:16he's weak some of the scholars have said
42:18other things about him um but he's not a
42:20fabricator
42:22It says about him in
42:28from
42:32trustworthy
42:34and
42:36he said
42:38he said to by the way is one of the
42:42companions of Ahmed and he's one of the
42:46greatest authorities in um analyzing
42:49chains of narration and
42:52in narrator criticism and accreditation.
42:55Um so he was asked
42:59>> what is his state
43:02he said he's trustworthy and then there
43:04are some people who said he's he makes a
43:06lot of mistakes so I'm not going to do
43:08the same thing that they did and
43:09cherrypick
43:12hadith but that doesn't mean he's a
43:13fabricator that doesn't mean that he
43:16makes up hadith they didn't say that
43:17about him so this individual needs to
43:21repent and retract his disparagement of
43:24Muhammadb is
43:25>> Yeah, indeed.
43:26>> And even where he mentioned from
43:32that Muhammadb
43:34narrates fabrications from Isel, that
43:38doesn't affect the status of this
43:39particular narration.
43:40>> Why? Because you want to carry on
43:41reading. You can't stop there.
43:43>> You can't take half the quote.
43:44>> Yeah. Exactly.
43:45>> You got to read the full quote, right?
43:46>> Full quote. Yeah. So it says
43:54if he is
43:56meaning if it's Muhammad Ib Sahbn
43:59Muaj then he's weak and he's the one who
44:02narrated fabrications from Muhammadb is
44:06but when it says Muhammad Ib Sah there's
44:09not just one narrator called Muhammad Ib
44:11there's multiple narrators called
44:12Muhammad Ib this is part of what you
44:14study when you learn hadith you learn
44:16They are narrators who have the same
44:18names and how do you distinguish between
44:19them? So there's more than one Muhammadb
44:22and there's more than one Muhammadb who
44:24narrates from Muhammadb.
44:25>> Okay.
44:26>> So he says
44:29if he's a different Muhammad is
44:33>> the hadith is sound. So now we come to
44:36which
44:38used this hadith as evidence for the
44:40virtue of they using it as evidence for
44:43the virtue of that's a sign that they're
44:45accepting it as at least not being
44:46fabricated. Right? So there's many
44:48scholars I could quote but I have with
44:50me here
44:52by imbnimal
44:56who was a great scholar of hadith he's
44:58this is his commentary on
45:01where he commented on the 42 hadith of
45:03he added eight more hadith to bring in
45:0550 okay
45:06>> um and he has many many works especially
45:08on hadith like his you can say one of
45:10his um expertises his specialtities was
45:15hadith commentary
45:16>> okay
45:16>> so he wrote many hadith on commentaries
45:18of single hadith like for example the
45:21hadith about the of
45:23>> that are the inheritors of the prophets
45:25he has a independent commenting on that
45:28hadith and many otherations like the
45:29hadith of the he has a commentary on so
45:31on so forth um so he's a very
45:34well-renowned scholar of hadith he's not
45:35like someone who's strong in but we in
45:37hadith
45:39so uh under hadith 50 in his compilation
45:43he mentions other supporting narrations
45:46and among Amongst them he narrates he
45:48says
45:52with which is then is above. He says
46:01so he mentions Muhammad in that
46:02narration is mentioned in that chain.
46:05Then he says
46:11narrated with this chain meaning a chain
46:14that goes back to the prophet.
46:21whoever does not remember Allah
46:23abundantly he is free from iman.
46:26Then he mentions
46:33and what testifies to this meaning that
46:35tells us that this is a sound meaning
46:37from the messenger of Allah is Allah
46:40subhana tala described the
46:44as that they do not remember Allah
46:46except little
46:49So
46:55whoever abundantly remembers Allah
46:57subhana tala then he separates himself
47:00from the from the attributes of the so
47:03this hadith is perfectly valid in use
47:06for even if we say it's weak it's not a
47:09fabrication
47:12is quoting it and not saying it's a
47:13fabrication so he has completely and
47:16utterly butchered the analysis of
47:18narration
47:19Um and I mean claiming that
47:23is weak in hadith is probably one of the
47:25most absurd claims that you can make
47:27because um from his fatwa just from his
47:30fatawa where he's answering people's
47:32questions not his independent works on
47:34hadith uh one of the
47:39he compiled a 10 volume work called
47:42hadith
47:44>> uh I think it's over 3,000 hadiths
47:45>> okay
47:46>> which he mentions there in that
47:48compilation quoted from which
47:53um used
47:55himself in a work which is called
47:58he was once asked about the books of
48:00hadith that were in his reference. He
48:02wasn't using he wasn't using Google um
48:06he was using real books
48:08>> he was using books of hadith that these
48:09guys probably haven't even heard of
48:11>> so he was asked about the books of
48:12hadith that were in his reference and he
48:14answered
48:18Muhammad
48:25Malik
48:26imaf
48:28Ahmedi
48:31alkari
48:41jam
48:43the
48:53etc etc and he said I read teach and
48:56refer to more than 50 books of hadith
49:01>> and these are people one of them who's
49:04laughing and joking about these things
49:06um and claiming fabrications and writing
49:08such disgusting thumbnails um saying
49:11that someone has fabricated hadith when
49:13those hadiths are not fabrications
49:15meaning he's attacking the hadith of the
49:16messenger of Allah sallallahu alaihi
49:18wasallam he can't even read a hadith in
49:19Udu
49:23>> yeah [laughter]
49:25was
49:26>> let alone having read a hadith a book of
49:27hadith in Arabic
49:29>> I can guarantee he's never read a
49:30complete book of hadith in Arabic
49:33>> is that muadis is that scholar of hadith
49:36who is reading teaching and referring to
49:39more than 50 books of hadith
49:41>> the actual books
49:44So and if um people are acquainted with
49:46the um and hadith and they want to know
49:50about the work of this im you can refer
49:52to works like
49:54which is his research on weak hadith um
49:58and uh the the boundaries um of weak
50:02hadith and how they can be used and
50:03where they can't be used um you can
50:05refer to his work of um on the topic of
50:09combining of salas where there was um a
50:13person who claimed to be from hadith
50:16>> Hussein. So he had uh attacked some of
50:20the narrations that are used by the
50:21hanafies in this masala and he had
50:24attempted to analyze the chains of
50:26nation much like this individual and he
50:29had failed really badly
50:31>> just like we've seen the epic fails of
50:34today
50:36>> 100 odd years ago was doing epic fails
50:38in trying to disparage narrations and
50:40criticize
50:42narrators and
50:44show his encyclopedic knowledge of
50:47an analysis of chains of hadith in that
50:50work and um the list goes on. In fact,
50:55they have um accepted and they have
50:58affirmed
50:59is the founder of a branch of
51:05he of this he's the founder of this of
51:07this book called
51:11and that was the first book that was
51:13written as an independent textbook. So
51:14the knowledge existed but it's like for
51:16example knowledge of existed in the time
51:19of the prophetat but those who codified
51:21it were later and those who codified it
51:23were considered as that knowledge of
51:24balava was around in the time of the
51:26messenger of Allahatam
51:28they were speaking in accordance with
51:29the rules of balava without those rules
51:31having been put formally into textbooks
51:34when liked
51:36for example wrote books on a subject he
51:37was considered to be the founder of that
51:39science. So the science of hadith
51:41referencing existed before and there's
51:44mention of it scattered throughout
51:46various different books but an
51:48independent textbook just detailing that
51:51subject didn't exist before
51:54but to say this guy didn't know hadith
51:55and he was uh he has a lack of knowledge
51:57of hadith is actually it's it's
52:00pathetic.
52:00>> Yeah.
52:01>> It's absolutely pathetic.
52:02>> Um and it's just based on like I said
52:05before
52:05>> bias
52:06>> and trauma.
52:07>> Yeah. Just because you've got personal
52:09trauma from a WhatsApp group
52:11>> doesn't give you the license to go and
52:13be unjust in attacking an im
52:18and cherry picking course and as we've
52:19seen the objections are completely and
52:22utterly baseless.
52:23>> Yeah.
52:23>> Then make a 40minute video where they're
52:25just doing gupshock just chatting.
52:26>> Yeah. Literally they'll read from text
52:28for about 3 or 4 minutes.
52:30>> You have to scan through waiting for
52:31when are they actually going to give the
52:32content that they want to give
52:34>> reference or something about nothing.
52:35And when when when it comes for those 3
52:36or 4 minutes out or 45 minutes, it's so
52:39weak and so baseless and so shallow,
52:42it's actually embarrassing. And that's
52:44why I think Rashid used to go back to
52:47basics back to
52:50>> um I mean
52:53they teach for free don't charge any
52:55money. Go and enroll study for six six
52:58years and if you can't go there
52:59physically institute teaches completely
53:02for free. We have a six year course
53:04completely for free. We have
53:05alhamdulillah amazing teachers who are
53:08teaching these sciences and more. You're
53:10more than welcome to come and study and
53:11come and learn. Bismillah of course and
53:13actually good good that you you you've
53:15come to this point cuz one of the things
53:17that I wanted to also address with you
53:19uh while we go on to the other subjects
53:20as well is there was a discussion or a
53:24part where he he shared and you also
53:26have spoken to me about this as well
53:28where uh you guys actually walked into
53:31each other in the sense where you went
53:32into a a masid a Sunni masid which is a
53:35bravi masid let's say it's our sunni
53:37masid yes
53:38>> you were there and he's also there so
53:40for someone to criticize ize Immad but
53:43also going to the same mid where we're
53:46reading Salah. Tell us what really
53:48happened. What happened when you were
53:49there?
53:50>> What was the conversation? I'm not going
53:51to I'm not going to mention the masjid
53:52because there was a recording.
53:54>> Yeah, of course.
53:54>> Um and in his uh video about what
53:57happened. I think he tried to allude to
53:59the fact that maybe I was behind
54:00deleting a video. I was not because he
54:02was absolutely annihilated in that
54:05discussion. He was absolutely Why was it
54:07not recorded? It was recorded. It was
54:08recorded at the mid and I have respect
54:10for I'm not going to mention which you
54:11must have done.
54:11>> Oh yeah. Yeah, of course.
54:12>> Um they um basically had it deleted.
54:15Okay.
54:15>> It was on their premises.
54:16>> Out of respect for them, I said, "Look,
54:18that's fine. I respect your wishes."
54:19>> Um the individual recorded is actually
54:21my student.
54:22>> Okay. If I wanted it, I wanted him to,
54:23you know, the teacher student
54:24relationship. I could have said to him,
54:25"Go the masid and give him the
54:28>> and would have been exposed very very
54:30badly."
54:31>> Um but
54:33just
54:36one
54:39of course. So, um, they wanted it to be
54:41deleted. They had had it deleted from
54:42his phone.
54:43>> Um,
54:44>> and so that's that's the story regarding
54:46the recording. But, um, like you
54:48mentioned, I actually brought this up as
54:49part of the discussion. I said to him,
54:50he brings immly
54:55um, well respected, has been serving the
54:57community for decades, I think maybe
54:58close to half a century. Um, and
55:01famously has one of the best libraries
55:04in the UK. The imam has one of the it's
55:07not a library which is a one room
55:08library it's a library across multiple
55:10rooms
55:12and I visited the library and guess what
55:14he has two copies of the entire fat of
55:16the
55:17>> wow
55:18two of copies of
55:19>> and he's ready it's not just there for
55:21show but he's read all of these so-alled
55:23objectionable passages
55:24>> and um he doesn't see the objection in
55:26them because there's no objection in
55:28them all the objections are all baseless
55:30the objections are all because of
55:31misquing the objections are all because
55:33of mis misquing um cherrypicking and
55:36lying against the Imam. All of these
55:38objections are lies and fabrications
55:40against the IM.
55:41>> This is um slander
55:44and the punishment for the person who
55:46slanders is that he will not even smell
55:49the fragrance of paradise.
55:51So these people need to repent from
55:53slander. But anyhow, it's ironic that
55:56someone's praying behind an im who
55:59famously has all of these books in his
56:01library um reverses and respects
56:05takes a lot of cheek to do that.
56:06>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But anyhow um coming
56:08to the actual disc discussion itself
56:11obviously during the discussion um
56:15he brought up their issues objections
56:17against which we're going to discuss
56:19shortly. Um his claim that
56:24he swore against
56:24>> war against Allah. Yeah.
56:26>> Was one of the most disgusting
56:28fabrications and lies that he has
56:31invented. And this is why I said to him
56:33in that meeting as well, I said to him,
56:35you are a you're a liar. The messenger
56:37of Allaham said
56:41and
56:45it's enough for a person to be a liar
56:47that he passes on everything that he's
56:50heard.
56:51>> You've heard or you've heard your your
56:54pal spreading false tell you, oh, guess
56:57what? We've got a gotcha moment. You've
56:58we've caught out this point where um is
57:02swearing at Allah. You've taken that and
57:04you've regurgitated it.
57:05>> Yeah.
57:05>> You've repeated it.
57:06>> Exactly.
57:07>> Um and you've you've repeated it so many
57:09times now you believe the lie yourself.
57:11>> Yeah.
57:11>> You've convinced yourself of the lie. Um
57:14so he was he was making these claims. So
57:16I said to him, look, we're in the masid
57:19for is in the masid of the of the
57:21library. Let's bring out the book. You
57:24read the passage and explain and tell me
57:25what you think it says. And I'll read
57:27the passage and explain and tell you
57:28what I think it says right and we can
57:29see we can see instead of putting words
57:32into his mouth instead of saying in a
57:34hypothetical if immed against Allah
57:37subhanahu wa ta'ala then um what would
57:40you say about that? I said look anyone
57:41who swears about I said it
57:42categorically. I said look I'm not
57:44hiding. I'm not running away. I'm not
57:46playing games cuz he keeps accusing me
57:47of playing games. I'm playing games
57:49>> straight down the barrel. I'm saying I
57:51said it to him. I'm saying it today on
57:52camera.
57:54Anybody who swears that Allah subhanahu
57:57wa ta'ala is a
57:58>> yeah no doubt
57:59>> he's not even willing to say that
58:00because when I pushed him and I said
58:01okay does that mean he says no
58:03so this is again um the insincerity on
58:06his part this is the shallowess this is
58:10how insecure he is about his opinion if
58:12you're that confident
58:13>> then and you're saying someone swore at
58:15Allah there's no doubt about
58:16>> there's no doubt
58:18so hesitant to say that that it's a
58:21>> and the and the funny thing is somebody
58:23who says like I don't do tir uh we had a
58:27Allah haz conference I think it was in
58:29Manchester if I remember my memory
58:31serves me well there's alah haz
58:32conference wherehar was there and was
58:35there they were talking about the launch
58:36of Arabic and uh there was a wider
58:39program that was going on they took that
58:41program and called it kufur fest
58:44>> so you basically doing this is not the
58:47point
58:48up because basically he's saying oh I
58:51didn't do and these people are so tir
58:52and I don't
58:53and all this, but in essence, he's doing
58:56>> Yeah.
58:56>> So, he's basically a closet.
58:58>> Yeah.
58:58>> He's worse than the open titis because
58:59he's doing under the veil.
59:02>> Under the veil,
59:03>> he's too scared. He doesn't have the
59:04guts to do it openly,
59:05>> but he's still doing it.
59:07>> Correct.
59:07>> Um implicitly.
59:08>> Yeah.
59:09>> So, it's the same thing.
59:10>> Yeah.
59:10>> Um so, anyhow, when I when I said to
59:12him, look, let's get the books out, then
59:14he says, oh, you're playing games and
59:15you're hiding behind. I'm saying, look,
59:17if you're going to put such a severe
59:19accusation against someone, let's say
59:20for example, uh Nurin writes a book. M
59:23>> and 100 years later someone comes along
59:24and says Rashid 100 years ago said Allah
59:28swore say said said that um he in his
59:31book he swore at Allah subhana tala he
59:33wrote a book and and are you going to be
59:36happy for people just to take that and
59:38say yeah I believe it
59:40>> and he said yeah a reliable person told
59:41me that's why and who's a reliable
59:44person if it's spreading falsehood then
59:47we've already proven that this guy
59:48>> it's it's over for him that's
59:50>> from reliable he's also a liar He's
59:52repeated lies against
59:55and he has no qualification to
59:56investigate them whatsoever. He is
59:58complete and he is from amongst those
1:00:01who speak about the dean without any
1:00:03knowledge and this is haram. Yeah.
1:00:05>> To speak about the dean without
1:00:07knowledge is is haram and I would put in
1:00:10that bracket as well by the way. I think
1:00:11it's haram for him to speak about the
1:00:12dean as you proven he's completely
1:00:13unqualified. Um but anyway I was having
1:00:16this discussion with him and he's he's
1:00:18not willing to open the book. Um, and
1:00:20what was funny was initially when I said
1:00:21to him when I said to him, "Fresh him
1:00:22with the evidence and then we could talk
1:00:24about the passage." So he said, "Okay,
1:00:25I'll show you the evidence, but first
1:00:26tell me the hypothetical." So I said,
1:00:27"Okay, forget the hypothetical. Anybody
1:00:29who swears Allah most high and people
1:00:31were there that are witnesses to this.
1:00:32Anybody who swears Allah most high is a
1:00:34kafir.
1:00:34>> It's outright.
1:00:35>> I'm not even going to say it's repulsive
1:00:36or disgusting. I'm going to say it's and
1:00:40yeah."
1:00:40>> And then I said to him, "Okay, show me
1:00:41the evidence."
1:00:42>> Yeah.
1:00:42>> So he said, "Okay, I'll show you." And
1:00:44he carried on talking and you know the
1:00:45same broken record, the same thing that
1:00:46we've heard in video after video after
1:00:47video saying the same lie, the same
1:00:50fabrication, the same slander. And he
1:00:51said, "Yeah, I'll show you. I'll show
1:00:52you." So I was waiting for him to give
1:00:53me some evidence. Maybe he's going to
1:00:55send one of his students to get the
1:00:56volume of photo.
1:00:58>> I see him scrolling on his phone and I
1:01:00was sitting kind of next to him. So we
1:01:01went opposite each other like me and you
1:01:02are. So I could see what he's doing and
1:01:05I swear by Allah he's scrolling on
1:01:07YouTube.
1:01:10Not even a book, nothing. He's he was
1:01:12scrolling on YouTube.
1:01:13>> So what he's trying to do is probably
1:01:14find the video where he spoke about it
1:01:16>> and find the screenshot that they
1:01:18brought up and then use that
1:01:19>> the translation from TBT to um give me
1:01:23evidence. But even that he couldn't find
1:01:25it on the spot he couldn't find it.
1:01:27Whereas if you give me and show me
1:01:29where's the passage I'll show you where
1:01:30the passage is explain the context of it
1:01:32and I'll tell you why the allegation is
1:01:33a complete anat. So we continued the
1:01:35discussion and the discussion went on
1:01:37about the other things like the claim
1:01:38that
1:01:40defended
1:01:42which is again is an absolute lie which
1:01:43I'm going to go into in second.
1:01:45>> There was no evidence for that
1:01:46whatsoever. Um and then the claim about
1:01:48um Ali Mhamdala
1:01:52um apparently defending this insult
1:01:54against the prophet Aliat was
1:01:57>> um the words ascribed to by which again
1:01:59is an absolute fabrication an absolute
1:02:01lie
1:02:03never defended any insult and I mean
1:02:06it's absurd when you look at the life of
1:02:07the im and his his mission he has a book
1:02:10called
1:02:15where he compiles the jazz that he gave
1:02:18to the scholars of Mak Medina when he
1:02:20went for Hajj they requested jazz from
1:02:21him and in that he mentions that I have
1:02:24three purposes in my life and the
1:02:28greatest of them the one that I hope for
1:02:30salvation through is defending the honor
1:02:32of the messenger of Allah that's what he
1:02:34lived for when he would defend the honor
1:02:36of the messenger of Allah from the
1:02:39onslaught of the Gilanes and the
1:02:40Wahhabies who were committing disrespect
1:02:42and insolence and blasphemy they would
1:02:45write letters of insults against him and
1:02:47he would receive these sacks of letters
1:02:49in Bili and his students and his
1:02:52disciples, his family members would say
1:02:54like allow you
1:02:55>> yeah let us respond if you don't want to
1:02:57respond let us respond they're swearing
1:02:58at you they're calling you names um you
1:03:01know they are disparaging you they are
1:03:03insulting you and he said no I'm not
1:03:06going to reply
1:03:08and he said actually I'm happy
1:03:11that they're insulting me alone
1:03:14And
1:03:16I am thankful to Allah subhana tala that
1:03:19he has made me a shield for the honor of
1:03:21my beloved
1:03:24>> and he said that actually gives me great
1:03:27pleasure that they're insulting me. Look
1:03:29at the love of the messenger of Allah of
1:03:32this he's happy to be insulted. He
1:03:34doesn't he doesn't care. He doesn't mind
1:03:35>> because what does he say? He says, "As
1:03:37long as their tongues and their pens are
1:03:41occupied in insulting me, their tongues
1:03:44and their pens are not insulting my
1:03:45beloved."
1:03:47That is Allah.
1:03:51Allah,
1:03:52>> this is the man we're talking about. But
1:03:53to bring these disgusting, ridiculous,
1:03:57ridiculous claims against him without
1:03:59looking at the context of his works and
1:04:01legacy and how he has put the seed of
1:04:04love of the messenger of Allah
1:04:06in without any exaggeration. Millions of
1:04:09Muslims across the world. Millions of
1:04:11Muslims across the world loved the
1:04:13messenger of Allah sallallahu alaihi
1:04:15wasallam because of Mhammed
1:04:19>> because of this one man who sat in that
1:04:21small room in Beri and sacrificed
1:04:23everything that he had. He would sleep 2
1:04:24hours a day.
1:04:25>> Oh 2 hours a day
1:04:27>> 22 hours a day. He's serving the dean
1:04:29and defending the honor of the messenger
1:04:30of Allaham.
1:04:32So in this discussion it wasn't very
1:04:34fruitful because he was like a broken
1:04:36record. keep on repeating the same
1:04:37things. I'm saying he didn't swear Allah
1:04:39Almighty. You can't prove it and he's
1:04:41not willing to prove it. He can't bring
1:04:42the evidence. If I'm going to give and I
1:04:44said I said this to him, if I'm going to
1:04:45give allegation, let's say rejected,
1:04:50I'm not going to say um yeah, but just
1:04:54do of him or say that he's make a video
1:04:56saying that he's out of the f of Islam
1:04:58or I'm going to say look, this is this
1:05:01is the book. This is what it's written.
1:05:03This is what it says.
1:05:04>> Yeah. If you don't trust my translation,
1:05:06I can give you a translation of the
1:05:07abund translated themselves. And this is
1:05:10how he has rejected the meaning of as
1:05:13mentioned in the Quran.
1:05:14>> So we can display it. Yeah, we can
1:05:16illustrate it. We can show it. This guy
1:05:19is just um as they say firing shots in
1:05:22the dark. He has no clue whatsoever what
1:05:24he's talking about. He's confident in
1:05:26his own bedroom, but when he's pushed on
1:05:28it and he accuses the people are running
1:05:29away and says no one's willing to debate
1:05:30him. But when it come to the comes to
1:05:33the crunch,
1:05:34>> he has absolutely no idea. He just
1:05:36>> same like in like sitting in a room
1:05:39somewhere when he gets challenged, it's
1:05:41just all shaky. The security goes up all
1:05:43of a sudden.
1:05:43>> Like he crumbled in front of
1:05:45>> crumbles. He crumbled on the stairs on
1:05:47the way outside.
1:05:48>> He lost so badly to Shehar. I mean that
1:05:51that's what really caught like you said
1:05:53like used the perfect word which is
1:05:54trauma. That was the trauma because I
1:05:57mean Hass was obviously hitting his
1:05:59points and he was bringing and there's
1:06:00other brother there Dr. that was there.
1:06:02I forgot his name. But um but then you
1:06:04also got Yeah. Mah and then you got look
1:06:07he's you said why why are you not tell
1:06:10saying that the statement is he said
1:06:11we're saying it's like what would you
1:06:14want us to say when me and you had that
1:06:16podcast we made that pretty clear as
1:06:18well um about that. So you know
1:06:20seriously what he's I don't know what
1:06:22cuckoo land he's living there's again
1:06:24there's a logical fallacy called
1:06:26changing the goalposts.
1:06:27>> Yeah. Um changing the goal posters where
1:06:29you ask someone to do something and when
1:06:30they do it you say no I didn't mean that
1:06:31I do this.
1:06:31>> Yeah.
1:06:32>> So you say you want us to say it's a
1:06:33scoffer say you say no I don't want you
1:06:34to say it's I want you to
1:06:36>> say like tomorrow I want you to remove
1:06:39it from all the books.
1:06:40>> If you remove it from all the books
1:06:41which are not even our books anyway then
1:06:42you'll have another challenge. You even
1:06:44then you're not going to be satisfied.
1:06:45Why? Because it's not genuine.
1:06:46>> Correct.
1:06:47>> It's not coming from a genuine place. If
1:06:48it came from a genuine place then when
1:06:51it's shown to you that it's a lie you
1:06:53would accept it. Now he's these these
1:06:55people say both of them that oh this is
1:06:57cultish behavior and this is
1:06:58sectarianism sectarianism is so harmful
1:07:01because it will make you not accept that
1:07:03you're wrong. So it's the same thing
1:07:05with this guy. This guy is making his
1:07:06own sect. Yeah. And he is the biggest
1:07:07sectarian. Yeah. Because uh like I asked
1:07:10him I said based on your approach you're
1:07:13saying that basically there's no
1:07:14scholars in the last 200 years. You're
1:07:17saying we take from Quran and hadith and
1:07:19classical scholars. Um so you might have
1:07:21some teachers in Syria who used to take
1:07:23from um but let's say for example in
1:07:26Indian subcontinent I would ask him who
1:07:28are the scholars from in the last 150
1:07:31years in the last 100 years. So
1:07:34according to us we have immense scholars
1:07:36from
1:07:38from the likes of
1:07:42the likes of
1:07:45these giants.
1:07:50I can name you
1:07:53name I can name you hundreds and
1:07:54hundreds and hundreds of scholars which
1:07:56shows that our chain is unbroken.
1:07:58>> This guy is obviously embarrassed of
1:08:00being Pakistani in the first place. I
1:08:01think that's part of the trauma of
1:08:02trying to be more Arabs than Arabs. But
1:08:05just let's say if you haven't taken from
1:08:07Pakistani scholars, that's not a
1:08:08problem.
1:08:08>> Yeah.
1:08:08>> You haven't taken from scholars who are
1:08:10from your own heritage for whatever
1:08:11reason. That's not an issue. But at the
1:08:13very least, you should be able to
1:08:14recognize that scholarship exist.
1:08:16>> The work that's been done.
1:08:18>> Scholarship exists everywhere across the
1:08:20world
1:08:22with an unbroken chain from us back to
1:08:24the messenger of Allah.
1:08:26The way the way you're presenting
1:08:27things, it's like you're the only
1:08:28person. It's like junior is saying that
1:08:31nobody understood Islam in the last 3
1:08:33400 years.
1:08:34>> Yeah, I did.
1:08:36>> I'm explaining what Islam is now.
1:08:37>> This is all Islam of the Bab
1:08:40being the only
1:08:41>> and and I was just mentioning to you
1:08:42before we started our conversation
1:08:44there's a video clip of saying if I was
1:08:47in the time of Abu Bakr the four the if
1:08:50I was during the time of Akbar says
1:08:54Ali I would be the first Khalifa.
1:09:04Like who are you comparing yourselves
1:09:06to? Nobody like that video is available.
1:09:09We'll put it in the description as well
1:09:10and we'll put it on the screen. But
1:09:12>> no, I actually challenged him on
1:09:16they said I was working against him. I
1:09:18said to him has said that the prophets
1:09:21of Allah can't even hold their own
1:09:23urine. Yeah.
1:09:35How what a disgusting way to speak about
1:09:37them of Allah. And reaction was that's
1:09:42disgusting. That was his reaction. I
1:09:44said, "Where's your video about it?"
1:09:46>> And the response
1:09:47>> he said, "No, I'm going to make a
1:09:48video."
1:09:48>> Has until date.
1:09:49>> How long has it been? It's been I think
1:09:51more than a month, I think. Maybe
1:09:53longer.
1:09:54>> Can't remember exactly. But there's no
1:09:55video that's come up.
1:09:56>> Yeah. No videos against him with even
1:09:59what what said about you know the the
1:10:01Christians think the prophet the jalah
1:10:05which he went prison for.
1:10:06>> Yeah. rightfully he should have stayed
1:10:08in there but that's using political
1:10:10power and stuff and we'll go into that
1:10:12later but one one thing which I wanted
1:10:13to go into also is one of the other
1:10:15objections which he mentions like when
1:10:17he opens and
1:10:21all of these things
1:10:22>> and the what's the best way that we can
1:10:25understand it what's the cuz he's saying
1:10:27that you know he's you know
1:10:29disrespecting Allah the Almighty because
1:10:30the Wahhabies believe in the same god
1:10:32and all of this thing so we'll go we'll
1:10:35go into that now inshallah Just finally
1:10:36on um so my challenge to spreading
1:10:39falsehood because spreading falsehood um
1:10:42people I think don't know how much of a
1:10:44hardcore follow of Miz engineer he is.
1:10:46>> Yeah. Bill is trying to show himself as
1:10:48unbiased as a somebody who goes directly
1:10:50to Quran and hadith and classical
1:10:52scholars and he doesn't follow any sect
1:10:53but he is a card carrying member of the
1:10:57Mizai sect of the
1:10:59>> there's no doubt about that. There's an
1:11:00interview where there's a channel of one
1:11:03of Miz Junior's main followers in
1:11:04Pakistan and he interviews people who
1:11:07have fallen foul to the so-called da of
1:11:11engineer.
1:11:39In this video, this guy Um Ali spreading
1:11:41falsehood. He tells his story of how he
1:11:44was in from a bravery background and
1:11:45then Mangan opened his eyes and Mangan
1:11:48showed him the lie. Mangan basically
1:11:50gave him through Islam and he they
1:11:53actually call it converting.
1:11:54>> Yeah.
1:11:56>> So when you talk about sectarianism,
1:11:58imagine a sect that want you to convert
1:12:00from normal Islam into it.
1:12:02>> Yeah.
1:12:02>> What could be more sectarian than that?
1:12:03>> Yeah. Absolutely. So that's how how um
1:12:08dishonest these people are and how they
1:12:10are uh wolves in sheep's clothing.
1:12:13>> They are 100%
1:12:13>> what they are presenting themselves out
1:12:14to be is completely different to what
1:12:16they are and there's evidence for that.
1:12:17They show that in the in the clip
1:12:19inshallah
1:12:20>> and my challenge to both of them is to
1:12:22make a video put on the thumbnail. Don't
1:12:25make a video with a thumbnail of and of
1:12:30and shami and then in in between
1:12:33somewhere say we're disgusting in like a
1:12:3610-second clip so it gets lost in the
1:12:38>> yeah in the entire video
1:12:39>> you know make a separate clip
1:12:41>> if you are uh just and if you are fair
1:12:44>> fair yeah exactly
1:12:45>> if you're genuine and sincere
1:12:47>> make a video about and say that the
1:12:50statement that he made about the
1:12:51prophets not being able to hold the
1:12:54urineah
1:12:57say that this is disgusting. It's
1:12:59repulsive. It's a statement of and he
1:13:01needs to repent.
1:13:02>> Yeah.
1:13:02>> He's still alive, right? Yeah.
1:13:03>> He can still repent. You're attacking
1:13:05people who have passed away 100 years
1:13:07ago, 200 years ago.
1:13:09>> Why don't you attack someone whose fitna
1:13:10is alive right now?
1:13:11>> Yeah. Literally right now. Yeah.
1:13:12>> And who you are sharing a platform of a
1:13:14person who's promoting that individual.
1:13:15>> And if you actually go into um the the
1:13:19channel, one thing that Miza says a lot
1:13:21is my knowledge is bookish.
1:13:27you use this term bookish. If you go
1:13:28into his profile now, the first thing it
1:13:30says bookish.
1:13:31>> Yeah. Yeah, that's what he says.
1:13:32>> So, literally,
1:13:33>> he he's basically echoing the same sound
1:13:35bites of Mizan.
1:13:37>> Yeah.
1:13:37>> He basically is trying to style himself
1:13:39as the engineer of English
1:13:41>> the UK.
1:13:43>> Yeah.
1:13:43>> Um and he struggles to speak English.
1:13:45So, I don't he's going to get very far
1:13:46with that.
1:13:47>> But I don't know how he reads all those
1:13:49books in English behind him. He's
1:13:51struggling. He's struggling with all
1:13:52those struggling with English. Arabic
1:13:53nonexistent and Arabic is bully
1:13:56nonexistent like I saw the
1:13:58transliteration. I was like
1:14:00[laughter] okay so this um slander
1:14:03against
1:14:06is um probably the most disingenuous one
1:14:10and the one where you know for a fact
1:14:12that somebody is just following an
1:14:15agenda. There's no sincerity whatsoever
1:14:17in their heart because they have lied so
1:14:20many times. You know there's a I
1:14:22mentioned the hadith regarding it's
1:14:24enough for a person to be a liar for him
1:14:26to continue to pass on everything that
1:14:28he hears. There's another hadith where a
1:14:30person continues to lie so much that he
1:14:32is
1:14:35he's written as in the court of Allah
1:14:38subhana tala. So that's what's happened
1:14:40with these people. They've lied so much
1:14:41now that now the only way to refer to
1:14:43them is and that's not me insulting
1:14:45them. That's me being completely
1:14:47objective based on their own words. So
1:14:49they have said immedah swore at Allah
1:14:52subhana tala and swore at the god of the
1:14:55wahhabis swore at the god of the abund
1:14:58and that is Allah subhana tala. So first
1:15:00of all I will challenge them to show the
1:15:03name Allah anywhere in any of this
1:15:05passage. He doesn't say Allah subhana
1:15:07tala. And I will even challenge them to
1:15:10show where he says the god of the
1:15:12wahhabies.
1:15:14Where does it say
1:15:20>> where he says when he's describing this
1:15:23by the introduction to this is that he's
1:15:25answering a question. Does the kufur
1:15:27know Allah?
1:15:29does recognize Allah? So he explains how
1:15:32they don't and he explains that from the
1:15:34the concepts of and etc. And
1:15:40made an excellent video where he
1:15:43educationally academically dismantled
1:15:47the argument of these people
1:15:48>> and they had no response to that
1:15:49followup video. None.
1:15:50>> And the fact that they they made a
1:15:52response and said, "Oh, this is a a
1:15:54failed defense."
1:15:54>> Yeah.
1:15:55>> Shows that it went completely over their
1:15:56head. They wrote as saying weak response
1:15:58and it is such a detailed response.
1:16:00>> I'm not going to repeat that response
1:16:03because did an excellent job and it went
1:16:06over their heads the first time it's
1:16:07going to go over their heads the second
1:16:08time. Um obviously if you haven't
1:16:10studied you haven't studied m you
1:16:11haven't studied this terminology you
1:16:13haven't studied um you know to that
1:16:15level then you won't be able to
1:16:15understand these arguments but it's from
1:16:17a very very basic perspective right so
1:16:21he says that when kufur are worshiping a
1:16:25deity they ascribing attributes to that
1:16:28deity which don't belong to Allahh
1:16:31>> right
1:16:31>> so for example Christians
1:16:35they like Christian Arabs use the word
1:16:36Allah so when he says oh who's The God
1:16:38of the Wab is Allah. Who's the God? If
1:16:40you say who is the God of the
1:16:41Christians, the Christians will use the
1:16:42same term Allah or their God. But does
1:16:44that mean that they worshiping Allah?
1:16:47>> The answer is no. Because they are
1:16:49ascribing things to Allah subhana tala
1:16:51like the ability to have a son that does
1:16:54not exist within Allahhana. Allah is
1:16:56free of Allah is transcendent of. So he
1:16:58says that these individuals are
1:17:01worshiping a mo
1:17:03the word mo is there we can highlight it
1:17:05on the screen an imaginary god. So when
1:17:08he says the imaginary god of the Jews,
1:17:11the imaginary god of the naris, the
1:17:13imaginary god of the chakra, the
1:17:15imaginary god of the godanis,
1:17:18is Allahhana an imaginary god.
1:17:21>> No Allah almighty the real god. So how
1:17:24can that passage be talking about Allah
1:17:25subhanaa tala?
1:17:27>> When he says he doesn't say the god of
1:17:28the wahhabis, he sayshab.
1:17:33So to claim that he said the god of the
1:17:34wahhabies is a lie against him. M
1:17:36>> every time you said that you've lied and
1:17:38that's hundreds or hundreds of times.
1:17:39>> Yeah.
1:17:40>> He said the false god of the Wahhabies.
1:17:43>> So is Allah a false god or a true god?
1:17:47>> Allah is true.
1:17:47>> Allah is a true god. So when you say the
1:17:49false god of the wahhabies, can anything
1:17:52that comes after that be about Allah
1:17:53subhana tala?
1:17:55>> No, of course not.
1:17:56>> And also
1:17:57>> it's that simple. It's that simple.
1:17:59>> Also, you can correct me if I'm wrong,
1:18:00but just looking at the itself, just the
1:18:0210
1:18:05Y
1:18:06>> when you say that's plural multiple
1:18:09people
1:18:12it didn't say
1:18:16>> absolutely
1:18:16>> which means he's challenging the
1:18:18different attributes that they've tried
1:18:19to assign to Allah the Almighty he's is
1:18:23>> rejecting those
1:18:24>> if it was speaking about Allahh it' be
1:18:26singular yeah it' be singular when it
1:18:27calls the plural is Allah one or is
1:18:30Allah plural
1:18:31>> Allah is one
1:18:32>> is one of What's that? So when he says
1:18:35in the plural,
1:18:36>> can that in any way, shape or form be
1:18:37about Allahh? Of course. Of course not.
1:18:39Of course not. So he's talking about the
1:18:41imaginary the figment of the imagination
1:18:44of the Jews. Yeah. The figment of the
1:18:46imagination of the Christians, the
1:18:48figment of the imagination of the
1:18:51chakrais and the kadanis and theundis
1:18:52and the wahhabis. And when he says the
1:18:54wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah
1:18:54wahhabi, he's not talking about theundis
1:18:56and wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah
1:18:56wahhabis of today.
1:18:57>> He's not talking about people who go to
1:18:58the abundis.
1:19:01>> Yeah. He's not talking about the uh
1:19:03people who have you know followed the
1:19:05dawa and they have no idea what Abdah
1:19:08has written in his books or what people
1:19:10like um uh have written in their books
1:19:13regarding the and
1:19:16regarding Allahh
1:19:17>> he's not talking about the common people
1:19:19when he's saying
1:19:21he's talking about specific individuals
1:19:24from that time who wrote certain things
1:19:26about Allah subhana wa ta'ala that
1:19:29cannot be ascribed to him. Yeah. So some
1:19:31of those things I'll just mention um for
1:19:33example is he wrote a book called
1:19:38in that he said Allah subhana wa ta'ala
1:19:41can tell a lie in fact whatever a human
1:19:44being can do Allah must also be able to
1:19:47do
1:19:57he said otherwise if you don't believe
1:19:59that Allah can do everything that a
1:20:00human being can do.
1:20:03It would necessitate
1:20:05that the power of the human being is
1:20:08greater than the power of Allah.
1:20:12And therefore, you have to conclude
1:20:13according to his warped logic.
1:20:14>> Yeah.
1:20:15>> That Allah subhana t can do everything a
1:20:18human being can do.
1:20:19>> A human being can eat, a human being can
1:20:21drink, human being can go to the
1:20:22bathroom, human being can sleep, human
1:20:24being can have children. So according to
1:20:26this statement it's not even an
1:20:28extrapolation it's an exact statement
1:20:32he's saying that Allah Allah can do
1:20:35everything that a human being can do.
1:20:37So based on that a human being can can
1:20:40have children and be multiple right. So
1:20:42according to him Allah can be multiple.
1:20:45>> So whatever he's describing is not
1:20:46Allah. Whatever he's describing is a
1:20:48figment of his imagination
1:20:50>> and Allah immed
1:20:58figment of your imagination can
1:21:00therefore do x y and zed. You're not
1:21:02talking about Allah subhana tala
1:21:04whatsoever.
1:21:06Not at all. Same thing with the Dundis.
1:21:09The Dubundies have a book called
1:21:11written by one of their major scholars
1:21:14and this individual author of this book
1:21:17claimed
1:21:23I'm reading the exact words. He says
1:21:26according to according to his
1:21:31ugly actions
1:21:34ugly actions are within the power of
1:21:36Allahh.
1:21:38So
1:21:40is defending the honor of Allahhana and
1:21:42saying that figment of your imagination
1:21:44that imaginary God who you are saying
1:21:47can do ugly things is not Allah subhana
1:21:50wa ta'ala is not
1:21:55the lord of the heavens and the earth
1:21:58not the real true Allah subhana wa t'ala
1:22:01that's something else that's figment of
1:22:02your imagination then he says that
1:22:03figment of your imagination can do x y
1:22:05and zed so he's not swearing at Allah
1:22:07he's not insulting Allah for even a
1:22:10fraction of a second
1:22:12>> and it's so utterly clear that if
1:22:14somebody doesn't understand it now the
1:22:17the only reason is because of bias and
1:22:20because of hatred because the heart is
1:22:22blackened with rules with hatred.
1:22:25>> Yeah. Literally
1:22:27and if you got you got personal thing
1:22:29against you got personal thing against
1:22:31somebody because they didn't let you
1:22:32teach in such such and such masid keep
1:22:34that to yourself. Don't destroy your
1:22:35over it.
1:22:36>> Don't attack the over it. Yeah.
1:22:42>> Whoever attacks of Allah, a friend of
1:22:44Allah war,
1:22:45>> you are basically declaring war. Allah
1:22:48has war against you. We declaring war
1:22:49against Allahh and the the people of
1:22:53Quran and the people of
1:22:57the people of the people who have
1:22:58defended this religion
1:23:00did whose scholarship has been accepted
1:23:02all across the world they are the
1:23:06there's a statement attributed to both
1:23:08and
1:23:10this is um a good a good point as well
1:23:13of benefit for the people they said,
1:23:22"If the scholars who practice their
1:23:24knowledge are not the of Allah, then
1:23:27Allah doesn't have a law."
1:23:30>> Meaning they're emphasizing that
1:23:31primarily the oly and the are not two
1:23:32separate categories.
1:23:33>> Yeah. the are the are the
1:23:38>> so um
1:23:40I think it's very clear that
1:23:45when he was talking about the false god
1:23:47of duh
1:23:48>> yeah he's talking about those particular
1:23:51people that have ascribed false
1:23:53attributes to Allah the almighty and to
1:23:55describe in that way I mean had they
1:23:57just read a page before a page after and
1:23:59read from what she was reading from you
1:24:02would have seen it was very clear but
1:24:04like you said sh very perfectly when you
1:24:06have bulls inside you the you can't see
1:24:09anything else
1:24:09>> and we can issue another challenge
1:24:11there's if there's um you know if it's
1:24:13uh unbiased and if it's objective and if
1:24:16it's sincere then I have with me here
1:24:18the
1:24:21of IM
1:24:24from Islam of the Ottoman Empire
1:24:27a great im of defender of the so in this
1:24:32book He mentions something very similar.
1:24:36>> He talks about the false god of the
1:24:38Wahhabies.
1:24:39>> So saying the false god of the Wahhabies
1:24:40and then saying certain things that you
1:24:42wouldn't attribute to Allahhaala is
1:24:44swearing at Allah. Then the challenge is
1:24:46to make a video put on the thumbnail
1:24:52at Allahh.
1:24:56I'm trembling even saying such words are
1:24:58such a great im. But if you are fair and
1:25:01you have um the same criteria for
1:25:05everybody and you're not just singling
1:25:06out the criteria, the same criteria. So
1:25:08what does he say? uh he quotes from an
1:25:10individual called uh a sizi
1:25:14who was a mujasim
1:25:16and he was from sajistan so
1:25:20in Turkey and this si guy was a few
1:25:23centuries before um but he's in like
1:25:26what's modern day like and kazakhstan so
1:25:29he's closer to India
1:25:31>> that's going to become relevant okay
1:25:32>> so
1:25:34first of all he quotes from uh sizi
1:25:39and And he says,
1:25:44"According to the city,
1:25:57He says
1:25:59now this
1:26:02he says that Allahh does whatever he
1:26:04wills he moves whenever he wants he goes
1:26:07up and down whenever he wants and he
1:26:10grasps and he uh spreads out and he sits
1:26:13and stands whenever he wants so he's
1:26:15describing moving around and sitting and
1:26:16standing to Allah subhana tala so he's
1:26:20talking about a figment of his
1:26:21imagination right because Allahh is
1:26:23transcendent from movement from sitting
1:26:25from standing
1:26:26from going up, from going down, from
1:26:28being in a direction, from being
1:26:30restricted to a location. Allah
1:26:33>> indeed
1:26:36as
1:26:38says
1:26:40the six directions don't contain him.
1:26:43So
1:26:47says
1:26:53he said this is pureim. This is pure
1:26:55anthropomorphism.
1:26:57What does that mean? In in a simpler way
1:26:58for viewers who might not be aware means
1:27:01to ascribe bodily parts to Allah and
1:27:04bodily attributes to Allahh. says this
1:27:06is the
1:27:08and the proof of the intellect
1:27:11basically um discards this throws this
1:27:13away refutes this
1:27:20and the Quran and the Sunnah and the
1:27:22statements of the imams of guidance
1:27:24refutes such a position. Then he says,
1:27:40he says perhaps the god, the the object
1:27:44of worship of this lowly individual
1:27:49sits and stands and moves around like is
1:27:53the of the worshippers of the cows. how
1:27:55they believe that you know cow is their
1:27:57god
1:27:58>> cow is their marb they of worship and
1:27:59the cow moves around and goes up and
1:28:00down
1:28:02>> he's believing the same things about his
1:28:04marb about his god
1:28:06>> and because they are from the he says
1:28:08they are from the neighbors of this city
1:28:09>> cuz he's from a land which is close to
1:28:11India
1:28:11>> yeah close to India
1:28:12>> so he's saying maybe he's been
1:28:13influenced by the Indians and because
1:28:15they believe that their god the cow can
1:28:17move around and can go up and down
1:28:19>> he's believed the same things about his
1:28:20god
1:28:21>> so if someone says the god of this
1:28:24wahave
1:28:25the god of this. It doesn't mean he's
1:28:27talking about Allahh.
1:28:29>> He says the god of this wahhabi. Then he
1:28:30goes and gives comparisons to cows.
1:28:33>> Does that mean he's insulting Allahh? Of
1:28:34course not. Cuz he's talking about the
1:28:36figment of imagination.
1:28:37>> Yeah, of course.
1:28:38>> He's talking about the imaginary god.
1:28:40He's talking about the false god. He's
1:28:41talking about
1:28:44>> he's talking about the fake and false
1:28:46imaginary figment of imagination object
1:28:48of worship that he's invented only in
1:28:50his mind that doesn't exist in real
1:28:51life.
1:28:52>> Yeah.
1:28:53And he is attacking that idea and he's
1:28:56saying the god of this mujasim and then
1:28:59saying is is basically similar to what
1:29:01cows do when they move around. So are
1:29:03you going to now say he swore Allah? Of
1:29:05course not. It's absolutely absurd. If
1:29:07somebody was to now pick this up and
1:29:08start making a video and saying swore
1:29:10Allah so we have to disregard all of his
1:29:13work that he did for the dean and he's
1:29:15done the worst kaki in the history of
1:29:16Islam. It's absolutely pathetic. is a
1:29:19really
1:29:21>> is not going to make that video about
1:29:24um he's either going to ignore it or
1:29:26he's going to just say that it's a weak
1:29:27response. Just saying it's a weak
1:29:28response doesn't actually make it win at
1:29:30all.
1:29:31>> The response is absolutely watertight
1:29:33and this is
1:29:36objectively the final nail in the coffin
1:29:38of
1:29:40>> is academically annihilated.
1:29:42>> Yeah. I've got nothing personal against
1:29:43him. Um I'm not like laughing and he he
1:29:46makes like him and his friend they mock
1:29:48us and they laugh and they make jokes.
1:29:50I'm not hate to make a laugh and a joke
1:29:51about them. Um objectively academically
1:29:56he has been absolutely annihilated
1:29:58>> not by me by the ims of 100%.
1:30:03>> And on that note by the way on mockery
1:30:05he also needs to make dba and so does
1:30:07his friend his buddy sidekick because
1:30:09they mocked the hadith of the messenger
1:30:10of Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam. Um
1:30:13they played a clip of me when I was in
1:30:14Syria and uh we were looking at the moon
1:30:17and we were remembering the miracle of
1:30:18the messenger of Allah
1:30:20when he wasam would move his blessed
1:30:23finger his blessed cradle and the moon
1:30:26would move in the signals and gestures
1:30:29of the blessed finger mubarak of the
1:30:31messenger of Allah.
1:30:33Um so they claim that this is a
1:30:34fabrication made a mockery of it. They
1:30:36were laughing and joking about this uh
1:30:38hadith of the messenger of Allah,
1:30:39miracle of the messenger of Allah
1:30:41sallallahu alaihi wasallam. When the
1:30:42messenger of Allah was in the cradle as
1:30:44a child, nor children have toys, right?
1:30:46What does the
1:30:48moon look at the status of Allah subhana
1:30:51t made this moon the toy of the prophet
1:30:53sallallahu alaihi wasallam say
1:30:57wherever the prophet would move his
1:30:58blessed finger when he was a baby in the
1:30:59cradle the moon would move in that
1:31:00direction was moving around following
1:31:02the gestures and the signal of the
1:31:04blessed finger of the power of in the
1:31:07cradle as a baby can imagine the power
1:31:09of
1:31:15muhad
1:31:16>> [laughter]
1:31:17>> These are the muades.
1:31:19>> Yeah. Well, unfortunately
1:31:22standard of [laughter]
1:31:24speaking about and fairies and
1:31:28>> so they claim that this is a fabrication
1:31:31I want to just tackle as well. So first
1:31:34of all I'm going to mention a list of
1:31:37who mentioned this miracle in their
1:31:39books without labeling as a fabrication.
1:31:42And this guy has already said that if a
1:31:44scholar mentions a fabrication, the only
1:31:46time it's permissible to do so is to say
1:31:48it's a fabrication.
1:31:49>> All of these mentioned it and didn't say
1:31:51it's a fabrication, which means they
1:31:52believe in it.
1:32:03Fore
1:32:14imbal
1:32:32Muhammad
1:32:35and many many more. Uh that's a list of
1:32:3810
1:32:39>> but there are many more and I want to
1:32:40read from uh the passage of imbnu
1:32:45ali the great authority in the school
1:32:50the great mu hadith from his commentary
1:32:53on the poem of ali
1:32:57his most famous he has many poems and
1:33:00one of the most eloquent ones is his
1:33:03hamza it's called hamza because each
1:33:05line ends with the letter hamz hamza Um
1:33:07so in commentary of that
1:33:12says
1:33:20um
1:33:45So he says, "Oh messenger of Allah
1:33:46sallallahu alaihi wasallam, there was a
1:33:49sign of your prophethood that called me
1:33:51to entering into Islam which was that I
1:33:54saw you in your cradle." It is the uncle
1:33:56of the messenger of Allahb.
1:34:01He says, "I saw when you were in your
1:34:03cradle, you were playing with the moon
1:34:04and you were gesturing to it with your
1:34:07blessed finger and wherever you would
1:34:09gesture, that's where it would incline."
1:34:12So the messenger of Allah sallallahu
1:34:13alaihi wasallam said,
1:34:18"I used to speak to the moon and used to
1:34:19speak to me back
1:34:24and it used to distract me from crying
1:34:26Allah."
1:34:28Subhan Allah. The hadith continues um
1:34:32and I want to mention
1:34:34what the have said regarding the status
1:34:38of this hadith. So he mentions
1:34:41he's quoting as an authority in the
1:34:44field of classification of hadith. He
1:34:46says
1:34:53this is aith which is
1:34:55what does that mean? A hadith is where
1:34:58at some point in the chain the number of
1:35:01narrators has dropped to one narrator.
1:35:03Okay? It doesn't mean that the narrators
1:35:05are fabricators or the narrators are
1:35:06liars.
1:35:07>> Okay? Um he's saying that the hadith is
1:35:09in the number of narrators hadith can be
1:35:11and still be can be and still be
1:35:16so he says
1:35:20he says which is part of the chapter of
1:35:25in
1:35:27there is a relaxation in the level of
1:35:29hadith that can be accepted. So he said
1:35:31this hadith might be
1:35:34but in the field of it's sound.
1:35:37>> Okay.
1:35:38>> He says a
1:35:54So he says if we assume that it's
1:36:00then it will be from the level of
1:36:03and even if it's
1:36:05>> it's still acceptable it's still acted
1:36:07upon in virtues
1:36:09>> in virtues
1:36:12>> and some of the of the latter day
1:36:14scholars said there's consensus on this
1:36:16>> okay so this hadith is a valid hadith
1:36:20have accepted mentioned in their books
1:36:22without calling it a fabrication and
1:36:24this is a valid miracle of the messenger
1:36:26of Allaham
1:36:28that is permissible to narrate and
1:36:30therefore they need to make TBA from
1:36:32mocking this miracle of the messenger of
1:36:33Allaham
1:36:35and sincerely seek forgiveness from
1:36:38Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala beautifully
1:36:41beautifully answered and and you know
1:36:44people especially these two they're very
1:36:46fond of calling other people gusti and
1:36:48all of these words and they want you
1:36:50know and there's something to think
1:36:51about to make a mockery of the hadith
1:36:53ofam
1:36:55such a serious crime one should really
1:36:58if they have any sincerity in them and
1:37:01I'm saying this without even trying to
1:37:03rebuttal or anything if you have any
1:37:05sincerity and not even sincerity if you
1:37:07have any loyalty toasoolatam
1:37:10you will apologize because you talk a
1:37:13lot about loyalty toatam
1:37:16you know I'm with the messenger of Allah
1:37:17sallallahu alaihi wasallam these are
1:37:18some of his words Well, if you're loyal
1:37:20here, then you do as you've been
1:37:24requested, which is what you must do,
1:37:26not even what you've been requested. By
1:37:27by just the mere act of disrespecting
1:37:30the hadith ofam,
1:37:32you will take back what you will say and
1:37:34apologize. And also just looking at
1:37:37conscious of time as well cuz I know you
1:37:39just to conclude I want to just um say
1:37:42directly I know watching I know a
1:37:43psychic psych psychic watching so I'm
1:37:45going to address them directly. I'm
1:37:47going to say the door of DBA is still
1:37:48open.
1:37:49The challenge to you, challenge number
1:37:51one, the hadith about the Abdal and the
1:37:54who are following the footsteps of the
1:37:55Amy, the hadith of the being on the
1:37:58heart of Adam.
1:38:01Um, you need to retract your uh
1:38:03criticism of the hadith or alternatively
1:38:06you need to make a similar video using
1:38:08similar words and similar thumbnails,
1:38:10similar title of the video for
1:38:16and many others. Um challenge number two
1:38:20is the hadith regarding
1:38:22make the same video that you made about
1:38:27and also you need to retract uh about
1:38:29what you said about is and how you
1:38:31misinterpreted misqued and tampered with
1:38:34the state statement of completely
1:38:38misunderstood it. Challenge number three
1:38:41is that you need to make a video about
1:38:44and his when he said that the prophet
1:38:50can't even hold in the urine and when he
1:38:52said that in order to established you
1:38:56have to do of the prophets.
1:38:59So make a video about that with his face
1:39:01on it with a thumbnail and do it with
1:39:04the energy and the level of severity
1:39:06that you do where you have basically
1:39:09made up insults
1:39:10>> because you're loyal to that you want to
1:39:14then you grab everyone
1:39:16>> it's also
1:39:18to make spreading true is actually
1:39:21spreading falsehood uh makeba from his
1:39:24association and praise of engineer
1:39:26>> until engineer doesn't do doesn't do by
1:39:28himself
1:39:28>> by himself. friend come back into the
1:39:30folds of Islam from the kuyat that he's
1:39:31uttered.
1:39:32>> Yes.
1:39:32>> Um anybody who's praised him and anybody
1:39:34who's called towards him or said that he
1:39:36has brought me to Islam and I've
1:39:37converted into real Islam because of him
1:39:39is to make da from such statements and
1:39:41disassociate completely from delete all
1:39:44your videos where you've praised him.
1:39:45Delete all your videos where you've
1:39:46defended him. Delete all associations
1:39:48with him. What challenge will we on?
1:39:50Number four.
1:39:51>> Number four.
1:39:53Next challenge. Challenge number five.
1:39:54I'm doing this because um I want to be
1:39:56very very clear. Um, you have to retract
1:40:00your attack against
1:40:03Allah when you claim that he swore
1:40:04against Allahh because he did nothing of
1:40:06the sort. Um, and you need to uh repent
1:40:09for lying and slandering and misquing
1:40:12and cherrypicking and acting like Jews
1:40:14and hiding certain words and only
1:40:16presenting certain words. Um and you
1:40:19need to repent for mocking the hadith of
1:40:21the messenger of Allah, the miracle of
1:40:23the messenger of Allah sallallahu alaihi
1:40:25wasallam when he would play with the
1:40:26moon in his blessed cradle. And there
1:40:28are many many more things but obviously
1:40:30if we can see a trend that these videos
1:40:32of repentance start to come these
1:40:34retractions start to come and there's
1:40:36signs of sincerity then we can move on
1:40:38to the other things. I had prepared the
1:40:39issue of Allah just
1:40:41>> I want you inshallah to go into that
1:40:43because we we've technically answered
1:40:45that already. Yeah,
1:40:46>> because you'll see it on there link to
1:40:50that part of the video and very clearly
1:40:52answered it
1:40:54and then finally I want to come on to
1:40:56your book.
1:40:56>> Okay.
1:40:57>> The concept of
1:40:59>> like which clear out I'm asking you
1:41:03directly. I'm playing devil's I'm
1:41:04playing de devil's advocate now for a
1:41:06second.
1:41:08Allah this term.
1:41:10>> Yes.
1:41:10>> Kufur or not?
1:41:11>> Absolute without a shadow of a doubt.
1:41:15Again second time the fatwa on this
1:41:18would be what the term or anybody who
1:41:21gets somebody to recite his own kala
1:41:23whether it's whether it's kufur or not
1:41:27kufurist
1:41:31anybody else apart from if you're
1:41:33guessing to recite that kalma kufur or
1:41:35not kufur
1:41:38but summarize please
1:41:39>> so uh and we had this discussion in when
1:41:42I when I met in the video that was
1:41:44deleted there. Yeah.
1:41:45>> Um so he brought this up. He said,
1:41:53"Therefore praise Allah." And this is
1:41:56such a a weak um baseless
1:42:02attempt to attack
1:42:05when you are basically putting your on
1:42:07someone. You're saying someone is
1:42:08calling somebody else a messenger of
1:42:10Allah after the prophetatam. That's
1:42:12essentially putting your foot of on
1:42:14someone.
1:42:14>> Yeah, true.
1:42:14>> You need to do your due diligence. If
1:42:17you point your kufur on someone, then if
1:42:19there's 99 reasons to withhold, you
1:42:22withhold. You only do of someone and say
1:42:25that the person has done kufur or has
1:42:26approved of kufur or defended kufur when
1:42:28you are 100% sure. So if I'm going to
1:42:31anybody is going to a scholar is going
1:42:33to investigate somebody for the charge
1:42:34of kufur, what do you think he's going
1:42:36to do? He's going to read the books,
1:42:37right? The books that are in question,
1:42:39the books are related, he's going to
1:42:40read them, right? So
1:42:43he swear by Allah I asked
1:42:46is the offending book which contains
1:42:48apparently
1:42:50and that's what you are saying
1:42:54approved or you praised the book because
1:42:56he said yeah
1:42:58>> yeah so he praised that book and
1:43:00therefore he is guilty of defending
1:43:03>> I asked him have you readil
1:43:09>> and his response
1:43:10>> he said I've seen the message.
1:43:12I said to him, "What language?"
1:43:15>> Yeah.
1:43:17>> He said, "No, I'm not going to fall for
1:43:18this trap." Or along those lines, he
1:43:19said, "Oh, you're trying to trap me.
1:43:21>> I'm not trying to trap you. I'm being
1:43:22completely honest, completely genuine.
1:43:24Asking a genuine question."
1:43:25>> Yeah.
1:43:25>> You are attacking a book and attacking a
1:43:27man for praising a book.
1:43:28>> Yeah.
1:43:29>> You should at least know what language
1:43:30that book was written in. Okay. Okay.
1:43:32Leave that. I said,
1:43:33>> "Tell me who's the author of Sabbas."
1:43:35>> Who wrote Subasaga?
1:43:37Blank.
1:43:39had no idea, had no clue and yet he
1:43:43wants to be on the high horse of issuing
1:43:45of kufur on something that he has seen
1:43:49in a translation of a translation in a
1:43:52book which has been tampered with.
1:43:56So to come to the issue from
1:43:59immediat
1:44:07page number 348
1:44:10to 349 in this immeds
1:44:15on the one who claims that he is a
1:44:18messenger of Allah after the prophetat
1:44:20wasam. So he says
1:44:38if says I am the messenger of Allah and
1:44:42then he tries to make a he tries to make
1:44:45an interpretation or somebody makes an
1:44:47interpretation for him and says he meant
1:44:49it in the linguistic meaning
1:44:50>> okay
1:44:51>> cuz means the one who sent
1:44:53>> who sent
1:44:53>> so Allah sent his soul into his body so
1:44:57he's been sent by Allah so he's the one
1:44:59sent by Allah in the in the sense in the
1:45:02linguistic sense
1:45:03>> he says this is absolutely unacceptable
1:45:07and he says that
1:45:10further on he quotes from
1:45:13other he says if someone says
1:45:17if someone says I'm the messenger of
1:45:19Allah he says in
1:45:23I'm a messenger.
1:45:31If he says I'm the messenger of Allah or
1:45:33he says I'm a messenger and he intends
1:45:36by that I am the one who gives messages.
1:45:40He has committed disbelief.
1:45:42>> We can read as the will be done of him.
1:45:45He will be declared as being outside of
1:45:47the folds of Islam.
1:45:49Fatwan issue in general is very very
1:45:52clear in this. He also has a entire
1:45:54epistle
1:45:56on
1:45:58which is called uh
1:46:05>> where he takes to account
1:46:09for his disbelief for his
1:46:11>> right
1:46:11>> where he had a come to him and the murid
1:46:14said I was seeing a dream and in the
1:46:16dream I was trying to say
1:46:20but yeah it just
1:46:21>> it couldn't come out
1:46:22>> I couldn't couldn't control myself and I
1:46:23was saying
1:46:25and then the rest of the and he said to
1:46:28him that's a sign that the person you're
1:46:29following is a good good person person
1:46:32you're following
1:46:35so
1:46:39um wrote an entire epistle it's in this
1:46:41volume
1:46:4315 and it's page number
1:46:4677 so from page 77 onwards the entire
1:46:50epistle deal with this issue
1:46:51>> and he killed clearly says there is no
1:46:53excuse for this and saying the of
1:46:58is out and outu
1:47:00so if he's saying the of saying
1:47:03messenger of Allah or somebody saying or
1:47:06saying is how you going to improve just
1:47:10>> yeah exactly
1:47:10>> makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
1:47:12>> doesn't add up
1:47:13>> so then we come to the issue of
1:47:16>> soil is a book which is written in
1:47:18Persian
1:47:20and the authoring is Abdah
1:47:24who is a great willy of Allah person who
1:47:26had great service for the dean pious man
1:47:27of Allah
1:47:29>> but unfortunately his works were
1:47:31tampered with
1:47:33and the evidence for that is
1:47:37>> by
1:47:41and this is a direct disciple of
1:47:44so if you want to understand what was
1:47:46the position of
1:47:48take it from people who knew him
1:47:50>> people who studied from
1:47:52people who met him. We're going to come
1:47:54to his family as well in a in a moment.
1:47:56>> So um Muhammad
1:48:03wrote this fatwa and this is the fatwa
1:48:04which famously or infamously I was
1:48:06trying to show on the steps of masid in
1:48:09Lutan after
1:48:10>> oh that video when you're walking down
1:48:12it will crumble again. Yeah after it
1:48:13crumbled in front of it became apparent
1:48:16to the world that he's not material.
1:48:17>> Yeah.
1:48:18>> Um this is what I was trying to show him
1:48:19and he was saying it's too late. his two
1:48:21this is a direct disciple of
1:48:24>> this is someone who's from over 100
1:48:26years ago. So he says, this is page
1:48:29number six. You don't even have to go
1:48:31that far in the book.
1:48:33It's page number six. He says,
1:48:37and he says,
1:48:45>> in the transmissions regarding the lives
1:48:47of the have been deviant people who have
1:48:51tampered with those books. And then he
1:48:53quotes an example from
1:49:00regarding
1:49:04so he says
1:49:19he says that beware of being deceived
1:49:23from those texts which have been
1:49:26inserted into the book which is by
1:49:30it was tempered with beware of being
1:49:32deceived by what those people inserted
1:49:36into it who Allah subhana t will take
1:49:39revenge from on the day of judgment.
1:49:42>> He gives it as an example. Then he says
1:49:45um
1:49:54which
1:49:55is an interpolation and tampering and an
1:49:58insertion by a by a deviant when
1:50:02is praising he's praising the original
1:50:05pure work of which does not contain.
1:50:09So when he when Allah when he said the
1:50:12words
1:50:16he's talking about the original
1:50:17untampered version and by the way
1:50:19there's a context to that in that he's
1:50:21refuting you know these guys they make
1:50:24videos and they attack Sufis and they
1:50:25say oh these are like wacky Sufi they're
1:50:27not the proper Sufis who fought the
1:50:29Quran hadith
1:50:31has an entire epistle where he refutes
1:50:33Sufis who basically say that you can
1:50:35reach a rank where you don't have to act
1:50:36upon Quran hadith anymore. He refutes
1:50:38them.
1:50:39And uh in refuting them he quotes from
1:50:43because mentions the importance of
1:50:46adherence to Quran and in there's no
1:50:48such which is value which is outside the
1:50:51bounds of Quran is very strict on that.
1:50:54So he's quoting and in that he says that
1:50:56there were some of the elders some of
1:50:59the pious predecessors some of the who
1:51:02was see who saw basharat who saw like
1:51:06glad tidings and then he narrates from
1:51:08someone one of the scholars before him
1:51:11who mentioned that is accepted in the
1:51:13court of the messenger of Allaham he saw
1:51:15a dream of that to that effect. So
1:51:17dreams are not proof but they are um
1:51:20signs and dreams have value especially
1:51:24seeing the messenger of Allah in a
1:51:26dream. This is proven from the hadith
1:51:28the prophetam said
1:51:31whoever saw me has seen the truth for
1:51:36can't take my form cannot. when it's a
1:51:37dream relating to the messenger of Allah
1:51:39sallallahu alaihi wasallam and it's
1:51:40being related by a pious person it's
1:51:42taken seriously it's not it's not it's
1:51:44not but it's taken seriously of course
1:51:47um so and there are other books like
1:51:48this liked
1:51:52the great and of regarding his book
1:51:58said that this book is accepted in the
1:51:59quote of the messenger of Allaham
1:52:02regarding bkari there were
1:52:06said that they saw dreams of this being
1:52:08accepted or they said that this is
1:52:09accepted in the court of the messenger
1:52:10of Allaham.
1:52:12Dreams were seen of the prophetam saying
1:52:14this is my book and describing it to his
1:52:16blessed person sallallahu alaihi
1:52:17wasallam. Um so this is not something
1:52:20new. This is not something outlandish.
1:52:23Um so anyhow the im when he was
1:52:24mentioning that he wasn't he was
1:52:26mentioning it to support the fact that
1:52:29Sufis have to adhere to the Quran and
1:52:31Sunnah
1:52:32>> because this book is one of the books
1:52:33which is saying that
1:52:35>> that's the context that he pray
1:52:39in its original form does not contain
1:52:43the direct disciple of
1:52:47he says
1:53:02We are not prepared even for a second to
1:53:05accept
1:53:07that such a word
1:53:10would have come from the blessed lips of
1:53:16this is a man who brought millions of
1:53:17people to Islam.
1:53:18>> Yeah.
1:53:19>> He wasn't going around telling people to
1:53:21recite.
1:53:24>> So he says this is for sure
1:53:27100%
1:53:29uh tempering and insertion of a deviant
1:53:35this is enough from us. M
1:53:37>> so for anyone who is objective for
1:53:39anyone who is sincere for the fanboys
1:53:41and the trolls of Nud
1:53:45has these two three guys same two three
1:53:47guys in all the comments you say that
1:53:49has you know why running from
1:53:53yeah the same guys again and again yeah
1:53:55um who are so pitiful that they can't
1:53:58see the ignorance of this individual and
1:53:59they can't see how clear these issues
1:54:01are when someone is telling you
1:54:04and has been tampered you're still
1:54:06pushing it down the throat of the person
1:54:08and saying no you're proud of it.
1:54:09>> I mean how desperate do you need to be
1:54:11and it's actually
1:54:12>> disgustingly embarrassing now. So he
1:54:14needs to retract.
1:54:15>> Um I told him I think it was a couple of
1:54:17years ago now on those stairs you need
1:54:18to retract this claim. He didn't listen.
1:54:20He kept on going on with it. He's gone
1:54:22further and further digging the hole for
1:54:24himself. He needs to really repent now.
1:54:25So he says, he continues and he says um
1:54:32we have no hesitation in condemning this
1:54:34like I've done here like I've done
1:54:36before in the previous podcast I did
1:54:37with you like I've done in front of
1:54:39Nurin um on multiple occasions we have
1:54:42no hesitation whatsoever in condemning
1:54:45this
1:54:47unlike for example the tellah they try
1:54:50to do try to explain no I didn't mean
1:54:52this and it's okay and it was a dream no
1:54:55nothing else. The answer is very
1:54:56clearcut. Absolutely. Um, categorically
1:55:00it's a statement of
1:55:02um
1:55:09ascribing this to
1:55:12says.
1:55:24If someone says that this ascription is
1:55:26correct and he said this and he it was
1:55:30it was valid for him to test his murid
1:55:34>> to make him say this and he says that
1:55:37this is permissible and such a person is
1:55:40also kafir. Now we come to the family of
1:55:45this is the English translation by our
1:55:49honorable and noble teacher and she and
1:55:53the crown of our heads Mui Abdul Hadi
1:55:56alui
1:55:59who is from South Africa and who's
1:56:00translated this book he
1:56:04spent many many years in
1:56:06studying under the younger son of
1:56:10Alt
1:56:18So um
1:56:21the translator when he gets to the place
1:56:23where the interpolation has been done in
1:56:25the sabas he says a very important note
1:56:29from the translator he says the story
1:56:31contains a fabric fabricated element
1:56:33falsely claiming that anuka was used.
1:56:37This is who this is a direct student who
1:56:40studied in Sharif. So if the have this
1:56:42new release from Allah the guy who
1:56:45studied there and who studied
1:56:47son he would be the first to defend it
1:56:49>> the first to defend it.
1:56:50>> But he is categorically saying this has
1:56:51nothing to do with us. He says this
1:56:54highlights the importance of
1:56:55scrutinizing spiritual accounts and
1:56:57distinguishing teachings from tempered
1:56:59narratives. This highlights the
1:57:00importance of scrutinizing things before
1:57:03making YouTube channels and trying to
1:57:04get famous of this of these things or
1:57:06like I said to N when I met him uh
1:57:09licking up the vomit that's been spewed
1:57:11by Menjer.
1:57:12>> It's because Miz Junior said it doesn't
1:57:14mean it's true.
1:57:14>> Yeah, exactly.
1:57:15>> Doesn't mean you can take what take his
1:57:17vomit, lick it up and then regurgitate
1:57:18it and present it to people. Uh so he
1:57:21says
1:57:23that first of all he mentions basically
1:57:25the discrepancies and the tempering in
1:57:27the texts and then he says I wanted to
1:57:29relate. He says the translator recounts
1:57:32a personal experience during his studies
1:57:34in Bir Sharif. He sought guidance on
1:57:36this directly from the grand mut of
1:57:38India the son of immedahust
1:57:44in response
1:57:47said the shar does not permit anyone to
1:57:51use words of kufur as a means to test
1:57:54someone's imbar
1:57:56>> there is black and white
1:57:59>> the text on the screen and I think
1:58:03there's nothing more that needs to be
1:58:04said regarding Yes. Subhan Allah. Subhan
1:58:07Allah. Perfectly said. The answer is
1:58:09very clear. Everything's been laid out
1:58:12on the table. The cards have been laid
1:58:13out. And here had even at the end, you
1:58:15know, just to simplify people who might
1:58:17be mentally challenged or who might have
1:58:20some, you know, like I said, trauma or
1:58:21whatever this key lessons 1 2 3 4.
1:58:24Number one, the unchanging. The of Islam
1:58:30is the eternal declaration of faith.
1:58:32Rejection of fabrication. fabricated
1:58:34stories or statements attributed to the
1:58:35holy must be critically analyzed and
1:58:38rejected if they contradict the Quran
1:58:39and what more do you want from us?
1:58:41>> What else more do you want? Yeah.
1:58:43>> How much more clear can it be?
1:58:44>> Allahbar. Subhan Allah. All of the
1:58:48claims
1:58:50made spreading falsehood made rebuttled
1:58:55instantly. Now some people might say
1:58:57again this is going back to what I said
1:58:58in the beginning. Why did you take so
1:59:01why did we take long to respond? We
1:59:03didn't take long to respond. Just
1:59:04reiterating the fact
1:59:07she is far more well-known than I am and
1:59:10far more respectable and knowledgeable
1:59:12than I am. If I wanted to, I probably
1:59:15would have done a terrible job of
1:59:16responding on my own to be honest with
1:59:18you. And I probably would have reacted
1:59:19with a lot of emotion. Uh and and Sheh
1:59:22Mashallah, he explained everything with
1:59:24intellect with dal everything done very
1:59:26clearly even after this. And uh you know
1:59:30what I was going to use two terms but
1:59:32I'm going to hold my tongue because not
1:59:35only in front of me do I have an alim of
1:59:38but also he's read the verse of the
1:59:40Quran that do not be you know insulting
1:59:43in in that manner but if you have any
1:59:45level of intellect after listening to
1:59:47what you just listened to you know TBA
1:59:51is the bare minimum go back to the
1:59:53drawing board really rethink your
1:59:56approach and look and I hope I have from
1:59:59the sheh to say what I'm about to say.
2:00:01If not, I will scrap it from the video.
2:00:03Which is if making videos are very easy.
2:00:08You put a camera, you put a mic and
2:00:10you're good to go. But it takes a man to
2:00:14walk into another man's office or
2:00:16another man's masid, another man's
2:00:18madrasa and say, "What is this? Let's
2:00:20have a discussion." Had you done the
2:00:23latter, it would have saved you hours of
2:00:25nonsense that you and the other sidekick
2:00:28that you have spewed. The masala would
2:00:29have ended on ages.
2:00:31>> Yeah.
2:00:31>> So obviously when I back in Lieutenant
2:00:33offered a private discussion I said look
2:00:35my doors are open you can come to my
2:00:36office you can visit. The kind of excuse
2:00:41was that oh you guys last time with
2:00:43Shikhas and you were so uh you know
2:00:45violent and so aggressive. Um, but
2:00:49obviously I responded to that because in
2:00:51the aftermath of that because I had that
2:00:53interaction with him on the stairs
2:00:54outside,
2:00:55>> he had actually said that they were so
2:00:56sagish and they were so violent and
2:00:58aggressive. But this guy, he was all
2:01:00right. He was, you know, um, uh, he had
2:01:05or something of those nice. I don't
2:01:06remember the exact words, but he said
2:01:08that I wasn't like that. I wasn't
2:01:09aggressive and I wasn't and he'd be open
2:01:11to have a discussion with me. So what's
2:01:13changed? What's changed? And and um
2:01:17there was no threat from my part
2:01:18whatsoever.
2:01:19>> Um and then the other thing is he he was
2:01:22adamant of having it on camera because
2:01:24it's you fit spreading to to the masses.
2:01:27I'm saying look if you got
2:01:28misunderstanding and you completely
2:01:30misunderstood some texts. Why do we need
2:01:32to put that onto camera to just cause
2:01:34fitna and controversy? People need to
2:01:37learn the basics of the deen need to
2:01:38come back to salah. People need to, you
2:01:41know, repent from the sinful lives that
2:01:43they're living. People need to come back
2:01:45to the love of Allah subhana tala. We
2:01:47need to do dawat to non-Muslims. There's
2:01:48so much that we need to do, right? Why
2:01:49are we going to waste the time of the
2:01:51general public on these things? We don't
2:01:52know the need to be spending their
2:01:55energy if they've got energy that
2:01:56they're going to use to be learning the
2:01:58dean. They're watching these debates and
2:01:59videos thinking they're learning the
2:02:00dean. Um there's higher priorities for
2:02:03them. They don't know the they don't
2:02:05know the salah. They don't know the
2:02:06obligations. They need to be engaging in
2:02:08that, right? So, it's better to have a
2:02:10discussion in private and I know any
2:02:12differences, show you what the truth is.
2:02:15>> Yeah.
2:02:15>> And then we don't even need to get into
2:02:17all of this back and forth. Yeah. For
2:02:18that would have been the easiest way.
2:02:20But that the thing was no, we need you
2:02:21on camera. We need to have you live
2:02:22streamed. And then the double standards
2:02:25is that when they've attacked other
2:02:26people, they attacked Ibrahim Oafa
2:02:29recently. [snorts] And in the video, he
2:02:31said, "We can have a private
2:02:32discussion."
2:02:33So why is she Ibrahim Ofa offered a
2:02:35private discussion, but we're not
2:02:36offered one?
2:02:37>> Yeah, exactly. So these double standards
2:02:39need to stop. Double standards of
2:02:41attacking one um when other done the
2:02:44exact same thing and leaving them off
2:02:45scotfree or saying like I teach his
2:02:48books but he fabricated some hadiths. Um
2:02:51and I'm honest enough to say that he
2:02:52fabricated those hadith people. He
2:02:54wasn't strong in hadith but you know he
2:02:56was a great scholar. Um so if you
2:02:59fabricate hadith and you've gone into
2:03:02detail about the sin of fabricating
2:03:04hadith and how severe fabricating hadith
2:03:07is. Yeah. And you've put videos saying
2:03:10Ahmed fabricate hadith. So why didn't
2:03:13you have the same energy and same
2:03:14approach with Gazali?
2:03:17>> Where's your videos of of Muhammad bin
2:03:20Muhammad Gazali fabricate hadith?
2:03:23>> The the crime is the same, right?
2:03:25>> Crime is the same. Yeah.
2:03:26>> The crime is equal. Why is when
2:03:29supposedly fabricates hadith? He's
2:03:31deserving of one entire video with a
2:03:32thumbnail calling him a fabricator
2:03:34saying he lied against the prophet
2:03:35Alisam condemning him in harsh language
2:03:37and imali supposedly fabricated hadith.
2:03:40You know hadith was a strong point. We
2:03:42still a great im and we benefit from his
2:03:43books and I teach his books. Why? Why
2:03:46the double standards and by the way
2:03:50people who objected against the hadith
2:03:52that he quoted there were other scholars
2:03:53who came and analyzed those chains and
2:03:55said those some of those hadiths are not
2:03:56fabricated. So again when it comes to
2:03:58the field of hadith classification it's
2:04:01not black and white it's not it's not
2:04:03like if said this hadith in is
2:04:06fabricated then it's like a done
2:04:10decision like a fact it's a conclusive
2:04:12fact that it's definitely fabricated
2:04:14that's his opinion
2:04:15>> yeah
2:04:16analyze that and come to a different
2:04:18conclusion
2:04:18>> yeah correct so um obviously somebody
2:04:21with very shallow knowledge would not
2:04:23appreciate that and we've seen that with
2:04:25the approach of this individual
2:04:27Well, that is really I will probably
2:04:32call this the thumbnail for our video.
2:04:34The end of Nurin. That was the end of
2:04:37Nurin.
2:04:38>> The final nail in the coffin. So the
2:04:39final nail in the
2:04:40>> by the way just to clarify the final
2:04:42thing until those challenges that I
2:04:44numbered are taken up and we see
2:04:47repentance or we see a treatment of
2:04:50other who did the same things with the
2:04:52same energy and the same level of videos
2:04:54and 40 50 minutes attacking
2:04:58orb or
2:05:02the list goes on and on and on which I
2:05:03know there that day won't come um we're
2:05:06not going to entertain anymore. This is
2:05:08the final nail in the coffin which has
2:05:10been academically dismantled and
2:05:13annihilated. And until we see an arms of
2:05:16sincerity, we're not going to entertain.
2:05:18>> Yeah, we're not going to entertain it
2:05:19because we we have better things to do.
2:05:21Seriously. And the fact that we wanted
2:05:22to respond because we don't want the
2:05:24public to think that we don't know how
2:05:25to give the job. We know where to give
2:05:27our time. We know where to give our
2:05:28efforts and uh and spreading falsehood.
2:05:32You are not one of those. But what I
2:05:34wanted to do is conclude uh this podcast
2:05:36here. I just quickly want to mention
2:05:37mashallah she's new publication which is
2:05:40called the forgotten khalif where he
2:05:43talks about im hass ali and then he goes
2:05:47uh you know talks about the lineage it
2:05:49talks about the history and then look
2:05:51look at the book itself right I love a
2:05:52hard a little ASMR for the audience
2:05:55right you can it's hardback cover
2:05:57written very beautifully I'm sure so I
2:05:59haven't given it red yet but the has
2:06:01very kindly gifted me one but just on
2:06:03the outset looks absolutely amazing Um
2:06:06we have a talk in fact by the time this
2:06:08come the talk would have been done and
2:06:10the book launch would have been done
2:06:11which is uh going to be done in on the
2:06:14Saturday the 26th in Birmingham in the
2:06:16Albaki Institute's mid inshallah I will
2:06:20add the description to this uh the link
2:06:24sorry I will add the link of this book
2:06:26in the description inshallah do go ahead
2:06:29and grab your copies but also what I
2:06:30will do with the she's permission I will
2:06:32do a book review on this inshallah and
2:06:35uh we'll add it in on our social feeds
2:06:37as well. But yeah, those of you who are
2:06:40able to do purchase it and I I always
2:06:42say look online, you know, we do online
2:06:45PDFs and stuff. I'm a big fan of books
2:06:47as you can probably tell from behind
2:06:49those who have seen my library. But
2:06:50yeah, do get it. Inshallah, the book is
2:06:53available. Many other books available as
2:06:55well. Those of you who want to study
2:06:56Arabic grammar, the essentials of Arabic
2:06:58grammar. Is the new edition out yet?
2:07:00>> Not yet.
2:07:00>> Not yet.
2:07:01>> After this.
2:07:01>> Coming soon.
2:07:02>> That's that's coming soon.
2:07:03>> After this. So the new edition of the
2:07:05essentials of grammar if you haven't got
2:07:06that you can go and purchase that store
2:07:08>> just under with your permission.
2:07:10>> Yeah please this is the work that we
2:07:11want to be engaging in.
2:07:12>> Yeah.
2:07:13>> So alhamdulillah by the grace of Allah
2:07:15we are honored to teach the deanul um 5
2:07:18days a week um from 9 till 3.
2:07:23Alhamdulillah Allah almighty has honored
2:07:25us to spend our days teaching the dean
2:07:29our evenings preparing for our lessons.
2:07:31Um and we want to focus on producing in
2:07:34spreading ilm in reviving the tradition
2:07:37of the arami the classical text the
2:07:39classical syllabus and writing and
2:07:43giving literature to the Muslim um so
2:07:44this is an issue um whereas
2:07:49our honorable teacher he highlighted
2:07:51that many people don't have many much
2:07:54information about
2:07:56Hassan
2:07:58people often have gatherings regarding
2:08:00Hussein
2:08:01And rightly so. They talk about the
2:08:03martyrs of Karbala and the battle of
2:08:04Kbalah and his sacrifice
2:08:06>> as they should do. But the remembrance
2:08:09and the virtues and the greatness of
2:08:14Hassan
2:08:15has not been highlighted in our
2:08:17gatherings in our literature amongst our
2:08:19people. And so that inspired me to
2:08:21compile this book. And my honorable
2:08:24friend Imah
2:08:26kindly um sponsored the the book. May
2:08:29Allah might reward him for the of his
2:08:32grandmother and other family members and
2:08:36wrote a forward for the book.
2:08:37>> The book basically explores the virtue
2:08:40and the life and the biography and the
2:08:42achievements of Hassan. So we can
2:08:45acquaint ourselves with the blessed
2:08:47grandson of the messenger of Allah
2:08:48sallallahu alaihi wasallam because
2:08:50loving the is essential component of our
2:08:53dean and
2:08:56is part of the course there's no reason
2:08:58to neglect him. Um and so inshallah
2:09:02we're hoping that this can be uh a means
2:09:06of reviving the love of this flower of
2:09:09the messenger of Allah the leader of the
2:09:12youth in paradise. our noble masterass
2:09:17Ali
2:09:19Muslims may Allah accept it from us and
2:09:23as the of our podcast alhamdulillah has
2:09:26never changed and it will never change
2:09:28inshallah
2:09:31and we end with the words of Allah
2:09:33Mhammed
2:09:43thank Beautiful.

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