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0:19All right, Mr. Rader.
0:21I need to find out more information.
0:24On that particular day, the 15th day of
0:26January, 1974,
0:29can you tell me where you went to kill
0:31Mr.
0:32Joseph Otero?
0:44Um I think it's 1834.
0:47Uh
0:49H small. All right. Can you tell me
0:51approximately what time of day you went
0:53there?
0:54Uh somewhere between
0:567:00 and 7:30.
0:59This particular location, did you know
1:01these people?
1:03Well, that's uh
1:08Well, that was part of my uh
1:10I guess my whatchamacallit fantasy.
1:12These people were selected.
1:15All right. So, you
1:18Okay.
1:19You were engaged in some kind of fantasy
1:22during this period of time. Uh yes, sir.
1:24All right. Now, when you use the term
1:27fantasy, is this something you were
1:28doing for your personal pleasure? Uh
1:30sexual fantasy, sir. I see.
1:33So, you went to this residence.
1:36And what occurred then?
1:38Well,
1:40um
1:42I had uh
1:44did some thinking on what I was going to
1:46do to uh either Mrs. Otero or Josephine.
1:51And basically broke into the house or
1:53didn't break into the house, but uh when
1:55they came out of the house, I came in
1:57and confronted the family, and then we
1:58went from there.
1:59All right. Had you planned this
2:01beforehand?
2:03To some degree, yes. Uh I'd forgotten
2:05the house that Well, I lost control of
2:07it, but it it was, you know, in
2:10back of my mind, I had some ideas what I
2:12was going to do, but uh I just I
2:15basically panicked that first day, so
2:17Beforehand, did you know who was there
2:19in the house?
2:21I thought Mrs. Otero and the two kids,
2:24the two younger kids were in the house.
2:26I didn't realize Mr. Otero was going to
2:27be there.
2:28All right. How did you get into the
2:30house, Mr. I came in the back door, uh
2:33cut the phone lines, uh waited at back
2:35door,
2:36had reservations about even going or
2:38just walking away, but pretty soon the
2:40door opened, and I was in.
2:42All right. So, the door opened. Was it
2:45opened for you or did somebody I think
2:46one of the kids I think the uh
2:49Ju- uh Junior or not Junior, yes, the uh
2:54the young girl, uh Josephine opened the
2:56door.
2:57He probably let the dog out cuz the dog
2:59was in the house that
3:00All right. When you went into the house,
3:02what happened then?
3:04Well, I like confronted the family, uh
3:06pulled a pistol,
3:07uh confronted Mr. Otero,
3:09and
3:10asked him to uh
3:12you know, that I was there to basically
3:14I was wanted.
3:17Uh
3:18wanted to uh get the car, I was hungry,
3:21food, I was wanted,
3:22and asked him to lie down in the living
3:25room.
3:26And
3:27at that time, I realized it wouldn't be
3:28a really good idea, so I finally the dog
3:30was a real problem, so I I asked Mr.
3:32Otero if he could get the dog out, so he
3:34had one of the kids put it out.
3:36And then I took them back to the
3:37bedroom.
3:39You took who back to the bedroom? Uh the
3:40family to the bedroom. The four members.
3:43All right. What happened then? Uh at
3:44that time, I tied them up.
3:47While still holding them at gunpoint?
3:49Well, in between tying and yes.
3:52Yeah.
3:53All right. After you tied them up, what
3:55occurred?
3:57Well, uh they started complaining about
3:59uh being tied up, and I re- re-loosened
4:02the bonds a couple of times, uh tried to
4:04make Mr. Otero as comfortable as I
4:05could.
4:06Uh apparently he had a cracked rib from
4:08a car accident, so I had him put a
4:11pillow down underneath for his head.
4:13Uh had he put a uh
4:15I think he Parker or
4:17coat underneath thing.
4:18Uh
4:20They uh
4:21you know, they talked to me about uh
4:24you know, giving the car and whatever
4:25money I guess they didn't have very much
4:26money.
4:28And uh
4:29the
4:30There I realized that uh
4:33you know, I was already
4:34I didn't have a mask on or anything.
4:36They already could ID me.
4:37And uh
4:39uh
4:40made a made a decision to go ahead and
4:43and
4:44put them down, I guess, or strangle
4:46them.
4:46All right. What did you do to Joseph
4:48Otero? Joseph Otero? Yeah, Joseph Otero
4:52Sr., Mr. Otero, the father.
4:55I put a plastic bag over his head and
4:57then some cords, and then tightened it.
5:01And this was in the bedroom? Yes, sir.
5:05Did he in fact uh suffocate and die as a
5:08result of this?
5:09Not right away. No, sir, he didn't. What
5:11happened?
5:12Uh
5:13well, after that, I I did Mrs. Otero.
5:17I had never strangled anyone before,
5:20so I really didn't know how much
5:21pressure you had to put on a person or
5:23how long it would take, but
5:25Was she also tied up during the period
5:27of time?
5:28Yes. Uh-huh. Yeah, both her hands and
5:29her feet were tied up. She was on the
5:30bed. Where were the children? Uh well,
5:34uh Josephine was on the bed, and uh
5:37Junior was on the floor this time. So,
5:40we're we're talking first of all about
5:42Joseph Otero. So, you had put the bag
5:44over his head and tied it. Mhm. And he
5:47did not die right away. Can you tell me
5:49what happened in regards to Joseph
5:51Uh he moved over real quick like, and I
5:52think tore a hole in the bag, and I
5:54could tell that he was having some
5:55problems there. But at that time, the
5:58the whole family just went uh they went
6:00panicked on me, so I
6:01I worked pretty quick.
6:04All right. What did you
6:05You worked pretty quick. What did you
6:07do?
6:08I uh strangled Mrs. Otero,
6:10and she went out
6:12or passed out. I thought she was dead.
6:13She passed out. And I strangled uh
6:16uh Josephine. She passed out or I
6:19thought she was dead.
6:20And uh
6:21then I went over and put a uh and then
6:24put a bag on uh
6:26uh
6:27Junior's head, and uh
6:31And then uh
6:32if I remember right, uh
6:34Mrs. Otero
6:37came back.
6:39Uh she came back, and uh Sir, let me ask
6:42you about Joseph Otero Sr. You indicated
6:45he had torn a hole in the bag. Mhm.
6:48What did you do with him then? I put
6:50another bag over it. Or either that or I
6:52I recollect I think I put a uh
6:55either a cloth
6:57or a t-shirt or something over it over
6:59his head, and then the bag another bag.
7:01Did he subsequently
7:03die?
7:04Well, yes.
7:06I mean, I I mean, I was I didn't just
7:08stay there and watch him. And I was
7:10moving around the room, but
7:12All right. So, you indicated you
7:13strangled Mrs. Otero
7:15after you had
7:17done this. Is that correct?
7:19Yeah, I went back and strangled her
7:20again.
7:21That and that that finally killed her at
7:24that time. So, this is in regards to
7:26count two. You had
7:27first of all put the bag over Joseph
7:29Otero's head, Mhm. and he tore a hole in
7:32the bag.
7:33Then you went ahead. Did you strangle
7:36Mrs. Otero then, or did you go back and
7:38first of all, Mr. Otero was strangled
7:41or bag put over his head and strangled.
7:43Then I thought he was going down,
7:46and I went over and strangled Mrs.
7:48Otero.
7:50I thought she was down.
7:51Then I strangled
7:53uh
7:54Josephine. I thought she was down. And
7:56then I went over to Junior and put the
7:58bag on his head.
8:02After that, Mrs. Otero woke back up, and
8:06you know, she was pretty upset with
8:07what's going on. So, I came back,
8:10and
8:11at that point in time, strangled her
8:14for a for a death strangle at that time.
8:16With your hands or what? No, with a
8:17cord. With a with a rope.
8:20And uh
8:21then I
8:22I think at that point in time, I redid
8:24Mr. Otero, put the bag over his head,
8:27uh went over and then took Junior
8:30Before that, she asked me to uh
8:33to to save her son. So, I actually had
8:36taken the bag off, and then I was really
8:38upset at that point in time. So,
8:40basically, when Mr. Otero was down, Mrs.
8:42Otero was down, I went ahead and and uh
8:45took uh Junior I put him in the bag over
8:47his head and took him to the other
8:48bedroom.
8:49What did you do then? Uh put a bag over
8:52his head, I put a cloth over his head, a
8:54t-shirt and a bag so he couldn't tear a
8:56hole in it.
8:57And
8:58he subsequently died from that.
9:01And then when I went back, Josephine had
9:04woke back up.
9:06What did you do then? I took her to the
9:07basement, and eventually hung her.
9:11All right. You hung her in the basement?
9:13Yes, sir.
9:14Did you do anything else at that time?
9:17Yes, I I had some sexual fantasies.
9:20But that was after she was hung.
9:24All right.
9:26What did you do then?
9:28I cleaned the house, kind of cleaned it
9:30up.
9:31It's called the right hand rule. You go
9:32from room to room.
9:34Uh
9:34picked their things up. I think I took
9:36Mr. Otero's watch.
9:38Or
9:39I guess I took a radio. I I'd forgotten
9:41about that, but apparently took a radio.
9:43Why did you take these things? I don't
9:45know.
9:46Um I have no idea.
9:49Just uh
9:51What happened then?
9:52Uh got the keys to the car. In fact, I
9:54had the keys I think earlier before that
9:56cuz I wanted to make sure I had a way of
9:57getting out of the house.
9:59And clean the house up a little bit,
10:01make sure everything's packed up and
10:03left through the front door.
10:07And went there, went over to their car
10:09and then drove over to uh
10:12Dillon's, left the car there.
10:14Then eventually walked back to my car.
10:17All right. Now sir, from what you have
10:20just said
10:23I take it that the
10:25facts you told me apply to both counts,
10:28one all of counts one, two, three and
10:31four. Is that correct?
10:32Yes, sir.
10:35Now Mr.
10:36Rader Yes,
10:40And that is originally I believe he
10:42indicated 1834 Edgemoor, the address was
10:45actually 803 Edgemoor. All right, but
10:47I'd ask you for the current central
10:49count as a matter of fact. He's a case
10:51of what had happened. I don't believe
10:52the exact address is important.
11:04All right, Mr. Rader, we will now turn
11:06to count five.
11:08In that count, it is claimed that on or
11:10about the 4th day of April, 1974
11:13in Sedgwick County, Kansas, that you
11:15unlawfully killed
11:17Kathryn Bright maliciously, willfully,
11:20deliberately and with premeditation by
11:22strangulation and stabbing. Inflict the
11:25injuries from which she did die on April
11:274th, 1974.
11:30Can you tell me what occurred on that
11:31day?
11:37Uh the uh
11:39I don't know how to exactly say that. I
11:41had many what I called them projects.
11:43They were different people in the town
11:45that I followed, watched. Uh Kathryn
11:47Bright was one of the next targets I
11:49guess as I would indicate. How did you
11:52select her? Uh just driving by one day
11:55and I saw her go in the house with
11:56somebody else and I thought that's a
11:57possibility. There was many many places
12:00in the area.
12:02College Hill, they've been they're all
12:03over Wichita. But anyway, that's it just
12:05was basically a selection process, work
12:07toward it. If it didn't work, I just
12:08move on to something else.
12:10But in the
12:11in the my kind of person as stalking and
12:14scrolling, you go through the trolling
12:16stage and then a stalking stage. She was
12:18in the stalking stage when this
12:19happened.
12:22All right, sir. So you identified
12:24Kathryn Bright as a potential victim.
12:26Yes, sir. What did you do here in
12:28Sedgwick County then? Pardon? What did
12:30you do then here in Sedgwick County?
12:32Uh on this particular day, uh
12:35I broke into the house and waited for
12:38her to come home.
12:39How did you break into the house?
12:40Uh through the back door on the east
12:42side.
12:44All right, and you waited for her to
12:45come home. Where did you wait? Uh in the
12:48house there, probably close to the
12:49bedroom. I walked through the house and
12:51uh kind of figured out where I'd be if
12:53they came through.
12:55All right. What happened then? Uh she
12:57and Kevin Bright came in. Uh wasn't
13:00expecting him to be there.
13:02Uh
13:02and come to find out I guess they were
13:04related. Uh that time I
13:07approached them and told them I was
13:09wanted in California.
13:11Uh needed some car. They Basically the
13:13same thing that I told the Oteros.
13:15Uh kind of ease them, make them feel
13:17better.
13:18And proceeded to I think I had him tie I
13:21think I had him tie her up first.
13:23And then I tied him up or vice versa, I
13:25don't remember right now. At that time
13:27Let me ask you indicated you had some uh
13:31items to tie these people with. Did you
13:33bring these items both the Oteros and to
13:35this location? The Oteros I did. Uh
13:38I'm not really sure on the Brights.
13:40Um
13:44There was some
13:45I When I am working with the police,
13:47there was some controversy on that.
13:49Probably more likely I did, but uh
13:53if if I had brought my stuff and used my
13:55stuff,
13:56uh Kevin would probably be dead today.
13:59All right. I'm not bragging on that.
14:00It's just a matter of fact. It's the
14:02bonds I tied broke tied him up with that
14:04he broke himself.
14:06And then uh
14:07All right, sir. And maybe same way with
14:09uh
14:10same with Kathryn. It was I got out of
14:12got out of hand.
14:14All right. Now you indicated you believe
14:16you had Kevin tie Kathryn up. Can you
14:18tell me what happened then? Okay. I
14:21moved uh well after
14:23I really can't remember judge whether or
14:25I had her tie him up or she tied him up.
14:27But anyway, I moved Basically I moved
14:29her to another bedroom and he was
14:31already secure there by the bed. Uh tied
14:35his feet to the uh bedpost one bedpost
14:38so he couldn't run.
14:40Uh kind of tied her in the other bedroom
14:42and then I came back to strangle him.
14:45And at that time we had a fight.
14:47Were you armed with a handgun at that
14:49time also?
14:49Yes, I had a handgun.
14:50What happened when you came back?
14:52had two handguns.
14:54Um well, when I started to strangling,
14:56the he's of the guard broke or he broke
14:59his bonds and he jumped up real quick
15:01like.
15:02I pulled my gun and
15:04quickly shot him. Hit him in the head.
15:06He fell over.
15:07Uh I could see the blood and as far as
15:09I'm concerned, he you know, I thought he
15:11was down
15:12and was out and then went and started to
15:16strangle uh
15:17Kathryn. Kathryn.
15:20And then we started fighting cuz bonds
15:22weren't very good. And so
15:24back and forth we fought.
15:27You and Kathryn? Yeah, we fought.
15:29And I got the best of her and I thought
15:31she was going down and then I could hear
15:32some movement in the other room.
15:35So I went back and Kevin
15:37No, no, no. I thought she was going down
15:40and I went back to the other bedroom
15:42where Kevin was at and I tried to
15:43re-strangle him at that time.
15:46And he jumped up and we fought and uh
15:49and he about at that time about shot me
15:51cuz he got the other uh pistol that was
15:53in my shoulder here. I had my magnum in
15:55my shoulder.
15:57So had a regular uh uh uh Shoulder
15:59holster? Did you have it in a shoulder
16:00holster?
16:00Yes, and I had the magnum in a shoulder
16:02holster. The other one was a .22. All
16:04right.
16:05And we fought at that point in time and
16:08I thought it was going to go off. I
16:09jammed the gun, stuck my finger in the
16:12in there, jammed it. And I think he
16:14thought that was the only gun I had cuz
16:16once I either bit his finger or hit him
16:18or something, got away and I used the
16:20.22 and shot him one more time.
16:22And I thought he was down for good that
16:23time. All right, so you shot him a
16:25second time.
16:26Yes, sir. What happened then? Uh went
16:28back to uh
16:30uh
16:31uh finish the job on Kathryn.
16:34And she was fighting.
16:36Uh
16:38and at that point in time I'd been
16:39fighting her and I just and then I heard
16:41some I don't know whether I uh
16:44was basically losing control. The
16:46strangulation wasn't working on her and
16:48I used a knife on her.
16:51You say you used a knife on her. What
16:53did you do with the knife? I stabbed
16:55her.
16:56I did she say I used to have two or
16:57three times either here or here. Maybe
17:00two back here and one here or maybe just
17:02two times back here. You're pointing to
17:04your lower back and your Yeah,
17:06underneath the ribs. In your lower
17:07abdomen. Yeah, underneath the ribs. Up
17:10up underneath the ribs.
17:11So after you stabbed her, what happened?
17:14Uh
17:15Actually I think
17:17at that point in time
17:19Well, it was a total mess cuz I didn't
17:21have control on it. She was bleeding.
17:24Uh she went down.
17:25Uh
17:27I think I just went back to check on
17:28Kevin or at that basically same time I
17:30heard him escape. It could be one of the
17:33two. But all of a sudden the front door
17:35of the house is open and he was gone.
17:37And or Oh, I'll tell you what I thought.
17:39I thought the police were coming at that
17:40time. I heard the door open. I thought
17:42uh that's it.
17:43And I stepped out there and he I could
17:45see him running down the street. So I
17:47quickly cleaned up everything that I
17:48could and left. All right. Now
17:51Mr. Rader, you indicated that at the
17:53Oteros you did not have a mask on. Did
17:55you have a mask on at the Brights? No.
17:57No, I didn't. Uh-uh.
17:59All right. So what happened then? Uh I
18:02tried to I had I already had the keys to
18:04the cars.
18:06Uh
18:07and I thought I had the right key to the
18:08right car. I ran out to their car with I
18:10think it was a pickup up there.
18:13And I tried it, didn't work. And at that
18:16point in time I was he was gone running
18:17down the street. I thought well, I'm in
18:19trouble. So I tried it, didn't work. So
18:21I just took off, ran. I went down went
18:23east and then worked back toward the WSU
18:26campus where my car was parked.
18:28All right. So you had parked your car at
18:30the Wichita State University campus.
18:32How far away were was the Brights'
18:35residence?
18:35Oh
18:37I parked uh
18:39Was it 13th?
18:41And they're on Let's see. They're they
18:43were on 13th. Was it 17th? Yeah. I was
18:46pretty I was just about one block south
18:48of 17th where the car was.
18:50Uh there there's a park there. I parked
18:51by the park.
18:52And then I walked to 13th uh to the
18:54Brights' residence.
18:56So I basically ran back.
18:58All right. So you were able to get to
18:59your car and get away. Yes, sir.
19:02Now let's turn to count number six.
19:05In that count, they claim on March 17th,
19:081977
19:09in Sedgwick County, Kansas, that you
19:12unlawfully killed Shirley Ann Bright
19:14maliciously,
19:16willfully, deliberately and with
19:17premeditation by strangulation.
19:20Inflicting injuries from which she did
19:22die on March 17th, 1977.
19:25Can you tell me what you did on that
19:27day?
19:28As before, uh Bright Ann was a uh
19:31Actually on that one, she was completely
19:34random.
19:36Uh there was actually someone across
19:37from Dillon's was potential target. Uh
19:41It was called project green I think. I
19:43had project numbers assigned to it.
19:45And that particular day I uh
19:48drove to Dillon's, parked in the parking
19:49lot.
19:50Watched this particular residence and
19:52then got out of the car and walked over
19:53to it.
19:54uh
19:55It's probably in the police report, the
19:56address. I don't remember the address
19:58now. Knocked, nobody nobody answered it.
20:01So, I was all keyed up, so I just
20:03started going through the neighborhood.
20:04I've been through the neighborhood
20:05before. I kind of knew
20:07a little bit of the layout of the
20:09neighborhood. I've been through the back
20:10alleys, knew where certain certain
20:12people live.
20:15While I was walking down Hydraulic, met
20:18a young boy
20:20and
20:21asked him if he had decent pictures.
20:24Kind of was a rustle, I guess, or ruse,
20:26as you call it.
20:27And kind of feel it out
20:29and saw where he went.
20:31And I went to another address and
20:32knocked on the door. Nobody opened the
20:34door, so I just
20:35noticed where he went and went to that
20:37house and we went from there.
20:39Now, you you call these projects.
20:41Were these sexual fantasies also?
20:44Potential hits.
20:47That in my world, that's what I call
20:48them.
20:49So, you were going Projects, hits.
20:52All right. And and why did you have
20:54these potential hits? Was this to
20:55gratify some sexual interests or Yes,
20:58sir.
20:59And I had there I had a lot of them, so
21:01it was just
21:02if one didn't work out, I just moved to
21:03another one.
21:05So, as I'm to understand it then on the
21:0717th of March, 1977, you saw this little
21:10boy go into a residence Mhm. and you
21:13tried another residence, no one was
21:15there. You tried another residence, no
21:16one was there, so you went to the
21:18residence where the little boy And I
21:19watched I watched where he went. What
21:21happened then?
21:22Uh after I tried this once at the
21:23residence, nobody came to the door, I
21:25went to this house where he went in,
21:27knocked on the door and told him I was a
21:29private detective, showed him a picture
21:31that I had just showed the boy and asked
21:33him if they could ID the picture.
21:35And at time I I had the gun here and I
21:38just kind of forced myself in. I just
21:40walked in, just opened the door, walked
21:41in and then pulled the pistol. What gun?
21:44What pistol?
21:45Uh
21:46.357 Magnum.
21:49So, you only had one gun with you? Yes,
21:51sir.
21:51What happened then?
21:53Uh I told Mrs.
21:56Mrs. Vianne that uh I had a problem with
21:59sexual fantasies that I was going to tie
22:01her up
22:03and that
22:05I might have to tie the kids up.
22:07And if she would cooperate with us
22:09cooperate with me at that time. Uh we
22:12went back. She was extremely nervous. I
22:13think she even smoked a cigarette.
22:15And then we went back to
22:17one of the back back areas of the porch.
22:20Explained to her that I had done this
22:21before
22:22and uh
22:24and I think she was at that point in
22:25time I think she was sick cuz she had a
22:27night robe on and I think if I remember
22:28right she was she had been sick and I
22:30think I think she came out of the
22:31bedroom when I went in the house.
22:33So, anyway, we went back to the her
22:36bedroom and I proceeded to tie the kids
22:38up and they started crying and got real
22:40upset. So, I said, "Well, this is not
22:42going to work." So, we moved them to the
22:43bathroom.
22:45She helped me and then I tied the doors
22:47shut. We put some toys and uh
22:49blankets and odds and ends in there for
22:51the kids, make them as comfortable as
22:52you could.
22:53Tied the we tied one of the bathroom
22:55doors shut so they couldn't open it and
22:57then we shoved she went back and helped
22:58me shove the bed up
23:00against the other bathroom door.
23:02And then I proceeded to tie her up. She
23:05got sick, threw up,
23:08uh
23:08got her a glass of water,
23:10comforted her a little bit and then I
23:12went ahead and tied her up and then
23:14put a bag a bag over her head and
23:16strangled her.
23:17All right. Was this a plastic bag also?
23:20Yes, sir. I think it was, but I could be
23:22wrong in that.
23:24Put a bag It was something. I'm sure it
23:25was a plastic bag, yeah. And you say you
23:27put a bag over her head and strangled
23:29her. What did you strangle her with? Uh
23:31I actually I think on that I had tied
23:33tied her legs to the bedpost and worked
23:35up with the rope all the way up and then
23:37what I had left over I looped over her
23:39neck.
23:40All right. So, you used this rope to
23:41strangle. Yes. I think I think it's the
23:44same one that I tied her body with.
23:46What happened then?
23:47Well, the the kids were really banging
23:49on the door, hollering and screaming and
23:52uh
23:53and then the telephone rang and they had
23:55talked about earlier that the neighbor
23:57was going to check on them, so I cleaned
23:58everything up real quick like and got
24:00out of there. Left and went back into my
24:01car. And when you say you cleaned
24:03everything
24:04Well, I mean, put my stuff I had a
24:05briefcase,
24:07whatever I had laying around, the ropes,
24:08tape, cords, I threw that in there, my
24:11you know, whatever you know, that I had
24:13that I brought in the house. Had you
24:15brought that to the Vianne residence
24:17also?
24:18Yeah, there was some there I I think it
24:21was the basic stuff, but I don't
24:22remember bringing total stuff like I did
24:24to some of the others.
24:26Was this a kit that you had prepared
24:29Yeah, I
24:30Yes, I called it my hit kit.
24:33All right, sir.
24:34You left the Vianne residence
24:37and had you parked your vehicle near
24:39there? I was still in the same parking
24:41lot there at Dillon's
24:42at Hydraulic and
24:45Where is that?
24:46Harry Lincoln Lincoln
24:48Lincoln and Lincoln and
24:50Hydraulic.
24:52All right. In count seven, it is claimed
24:54that on the 8th day of December, 1977,
24:57Sedgwick County, Kansas, that you
24:58unlawfully killed a human being, that
25:00being Nancy Fox, maliciously, willfully,
25:03deliberately and with premeditation
25:06by strangulation, inflicting injuries
25:08from which the said Nancy Fox did die on
25:11December 8th, 1977.
25:14Can you tell me what you did on that day
25:17here in Sedgwick County?
25:18Nancy Fox was another one of the
25:19projects. Uh
25:22When I was trolling the area,
25:25I noticed her going in the house one
25:26night.
25:29Sometimes I would and anyway, put her
25:31down as a potential victim. Uh let me
25:34ask you one thing, Mr. Rader. You used
25:36that term when you were patrolling the
25:37area. What do you mean by that?
25:40It's called stalking
25:42or trolling.
25:43So, you were not uh working in any form
25:46or fashion. You were just
25:47I don't know if
25:49Well,
25:50if you read much about serial killers,
25:51they go through what they call the
25:52different phases.
25:54Uh that's one of the phases they go
25:56through as a as a trolling stage. You're
25:58basically you're looking for a victim at
25:59that time. And that you could be
26:01trolling for months or years.
26:04But once you lock in on a certain
26:05person, you become stalking and that
26:06might be several of them, but you really
26:08home in on that person.
26:10Uh they they basically become the
26:13That's that's the victim. Or that's what
26:15you want to do.
26:16You said patrolling to obtain
26:19patrolling. You didn't say patrolling
26:22Oh, okay.
26:24No, no, I wasn't working, sir. All
26:26right. No, this was
26:28No, this was off off off my hours.
26:31All right. So, you basically uh
26:34identified Nancy Fox as one of your
26:38projects. What happened then?
26:40Uh at first
26:42she was spotted and then I did a little
26:44homework. I dropped by once to check
26:46mailbox to see what her name was. Uh
26:50Found out where she worked. Uh
26:52would stop by there once
26:54at Hillsborough.
26:55Kind of sized her up. I The more I knew
26:58about a person, the more I felt
26:59comfortable with it. So, I did that a
27:01couple times and then I just selected a
27:04night which was this particular night to
27:07try it
27:08and it worked out.
27:09All right. Can you tell me what you did
27:11on the night of December 8th, 1977?
27:15About two or three blocks away, I parked
27:16my car and walked to that residence. I
27:19knocked at the knocked at the door first
27:21to make sure and see if anybody was in
27:22there cuz I knew she arrived home at a
27:24particular time from where she worked.
27:27Uh nobody answered the door, so I went
27:29around to the back of the house. Uh cut
27:31the phone lines. I could tell that there
27:32wasn't anybody in the uh
27:34north apartment. Uh broke in
27:37and waited for her to come home in the
27:39kitchen.
27:40All right. Did she come home? Yes, she
27:42did. What happened?
27:44Uh I confronted her. Uh told her that I
27:46was a uh
27:48had a problem, sexual problem that I
27:50would have to tie her up
27:51and have sex with her.
27:53Uh
27:55She was uh a little upset. We talked for
27:59a while. She smoked a cigarette.
28:02Uh while while we smoked the cigarette,
28:03I went through her purse
28:05identifying some stuff.
28:07And she finally said, "Well, let's get
28:09this over with so I can go call the
28:10police." I said, "Okay."
28:12And she said, "Can I go to the
28:13bathroom?" I said, "Yes."
28:15She went to the bathroom
28:17and came and I told her when she came
28:18out to make sure she was undressed.
28:22When she came out, I
28:24handcuffed her
28:25and uh
28:27I don't really remember whether Sir? You
28:29handcuffed her? You had a pair of
28:30handcuffs? Yes, sir.
28:33What happened then? Well, anyway, I had
28:35her I handcuffed her, had her lay on the
28:36bed and then I tied her feet
28:39and
28:40then I
28:41I was also undressed to a certain
28:43degree.
28:44And then I
28:45got on top of her and then I reached
28:47down took either either her feet were
28:50tied or not tied, but anyway, I took I
28:51think I had a belt. I took the belt and
28:53then strangled her with the belt at that
28:55time.
28:56All right.
28:58All right. After you had strangled her,
29:00what happened then? Okay.
29:02Uh after I strangled her with the belt,
29:03I took the belt off and retied it with
29:05pantyhose, real tight.
29:07Uh removed the handcuffs
29:09and tied those with uh
29:12with pantyhose.
29:13Can't remember the colors right now.
29:15Uh I think I maybe retied her feet. What
29:17they had on her they were probably
29:18already tied, her feet were.
29:20Uh
29:21and at that time
29:22masturbated, sir.
29:25Had you had sexual relations with her?
29:27No. No. No. I told her I was, but I did
29:30not.
29:31So, you masturbated, then what did you
29:33do? Uh
29:35dressed and then went through the house,
29:37took some of her personal items and kind
29:39of cleaned the house up, went through
29:40it, made checked everything and then uh
29:43left.
29:44All right.
29:46You went through the residence, you
29:48dressed.
29:49He's established he was in Sedgwick
29:51County. I don't need to know the
29:52address.
29:57For purposes of
29:58this it's in Sedgwick County. Do you
30:00remember the address, Mr. Rader?
30:03Do you remember the address?
30:05It was Fox.
30:07Oh, Fox?
30:09Nine
30:13913 or 903?
30:16No, I I sure don't. I know it was on
30:18Persian.
30:19South Persian, that's all. I don't know
30:21It was a nine It was nine something,
30:22sir, but I don't remember the other
30:23digits.
30:24843
30:27The address, as I said, is really not
30:29important as long as you remember it
30:31happened here in Wichita, Sedgwick
30:32County.
30:33Yes, sir.
30:34All right, sir. Let's turn to count
30:36eight.
30:37In count eight, it is claimed that on or
30:39about the 27th day of April 1985 to the
30:4328th day of April of 1985
30:46in Sedgwick County, Kansas, it is
30:48claimed that you unlawfully killed a
30:50human being, Marine Hedge, maliciously,
30:53willfully, deliberately, and with
30:55premeditation by strangulation,
30:57inflicting injuries from which Marine
31:00Hedge did die on April 27th, 1985.
31:03Can you tell me what occurred on that
31:05day?
31:07Well, actually, kind of like the others,
31:10she was chosen.
31:12I went through the different phases.
31:14stalking phase, and since she lived down
31:17the street from me, I could watch the
31:19coming and going quite easily.
31:21Uh on that particular day that I uh
31:24uh
31:25I uh
31:27had a
31:28a had a commitment. Came back from that
31:30commitment. Parked my car
31:33over at uh
31:35Woodlawn and 21st Street uh
31:38at bowling alley there at time.
31:41Uh before that, I dressed into I had
31:44some other clothes on. I changed clothes
31:45and went to the bowling alley. Uh
31:47went in there
31:49under the pretense of bowling. Called a
31:50taxi. Had a taxi take me out to Park
31:53City.
31:54Uh had my kit with me. It was a bowling
31:56bag.
31:57All right, that's Park City in Sedgwick
31:59County, Kansas.
31:59Uh-huh.
32:00All right, you had the taxi take you to
32:02Park City. What happened then? Uh there
32:04I asked I pretended that I was a little
32:06drunk. I just took I just took some beer
32:09and pursed around my mouth and the guy
32:11could probably smell the alcohol on me.
32:12I asked told him to let me out so I
32:14could get some fresh air. And I walked
32:16from where the taxi let me out over to
32:17her house.
32:19All right, where did she live? Uh
32:2262
32:2542
32:2754
32:286254 6254
32:32North Independence
32:34All right, when you walked over there,
32:36what happened next?
32:37Well, as before, I was going to have
32:40sexual fantasy, so I brought my hit kit
32:43and lo and behold all of her car was
32:45there. I thought, "Gee, she's not
32:47supposed to be home."
32:49So, I very carefully snuck into the
32:51house, kind of like a cat burglar.
32:53And after checking the house, she wasn't
32:54there.
32:56So, about that time
32:58the doors rattled. So
33:01went went back to one of the bedrooms
33:02and hid in back there in one of the
33:03bedrooms.
33:05She came in with a male visitor.
33:07They were there for maybe an hour or so.
33:11He left. I waited till the wee hours of
33:13the morning.
33:15And then proceeded to
33:17sneak into her bedroom and
33:19flipped the lights on with a quick
33:20flicker. I think the bathroom lights. I
33:21just I didn't want to flip her lights on
33:23and
33:24and she screamed and I I jumped on the
33:26bed and strangled her manually.
33:28All right.
33:29Now
33:30were you wearing any kind of disguise or
33:32mask at this time? No. No. You indicated
33:35this woman lived down the street from
33:36you. Did she know you?
33:38Uh casually. We'd walk by and wave. She
33:42She liked to work in her yard as well as
33:43I liked to work It's just a neighborly
33:45type thing. It wasn't anything personal.
33:47I mean, just a neighbor.
33:49All right, so she was in her bed when
33:51you turned on the lights in the
33:52bathroom.
33:53Yeah, that's So, I could get some light
33:54in there. All right, what did you do
33:56then? I manually strangled her when she
33:58started to scream.
34:00So, you used your hands?
34:01Yes, sir. And you strangled her and she
34:02died? Yes.
34:04All right, what did you do then? Uh
34:06after that
34:08uh since I was in the
34:09sexual fantasy, I went ahead and
34:12stripped her
34:14and probably went ahead and I'm not sure
34:16if I tied her up at that point in time.
34:18But anyway, she was nude. I put her on a
34:21blanket. Went through her purse, some
34:23personal items in the house.
34:25Figured out how I was going to get her
34:26out of there.
34:28Eventually moved her to the trunk of the
34:30car.
34:33Uh
34:33took the car over to
34:35Christ Lutheran Church.
34:37Uh this is where the older church
34:39and uh
34:41I had to take some pictures of her.
34:44All right, you took some photographs.
34:45What kind of camera did you use? Uh
34:47Polaroid
34:49Did you
34:50keep those photographs? Yes, the police
34:52probably have them.
34:54All right, what happened then?
34:56Uh that was it.
34:57Then went I
34:59took She went through I tied it She was
35:01already dead, so I took pictures of her
35:03in different forms of bondage.
35:06And that's probably what got me in
35:08trouble with the bondage thing. So,
35:10anyway, that's the probably the
35:12the main thing. But anyway, after that,
35:14I
35:15moved her back out to the car and then
35:17we went east on 53rd.
35:21All right, what occurred then? Sir? What
35:23happened then? Oh, uh trying to find a
35:25place to hide her hide the body.
35:27Did you find a place? Yes. Yes, I did.
35:30Where?
35:31Uh
35:32couldn't tell you without looking at a
35:33map, but it was on 53rd between
35:36Greenwich, maybe.
35:38Maybe What's What's the other one
35:40between Green Greenwich and
35:42Webb? Webb Between I think between Webb
35:44and Webb and Greenwich, I found a
35:47ditch, a low place on the north side of
35:49the road and hid her there. All right,
35:52you say you hid her there. Did
35:53Well, there was some there was some
35:54trees, some brush
35:55and I laid that over the top of her
35:57body. All right, so you removed the body
35:58from the car, put her in the ditch, and
36:00then laid some some brush over the body.
36:02Yes, sir.
36:03All right.
36:05Sir, in count nine, it is claimed on or
36:08about the 16th day of September 1986
36:11in Sedgwick County, Kansas, that you
36:13unlawfully killed a human being, Vicki
36:16Wegerle, maliciously, willfully,
36:19deliberately, and with premeditation by
36:22strangulation, inflicting injuries from
36:24which the said Vicki Wegerle did die on
36:27September 16th, 1986.
36:31Can you tell me what you did here in
36:32Sedgwick County on that day that makes
36:34you believe you are guilty?
36:36As again, Vicki was Wegerle was another
36:39potential victim. I went through those
36:41different phases, locked in on her as I
36:43would call it, and
36:45uh decided that I would try that day. I
36:48used a ruse as a telephone repairman to
36:50get in her house.
36:52Drove there in my own personal car
36:55uh around lunchtime during lunch hour
36:58or approximately that time. It was
37:00earlier in the morning than that. And uh
37:03put my I actually went somewhere else
37:04and changed uh changed my clothes.
37:07Put on what I call my uh
37:09hit clothes.
37:11And uh Hit clothes?
37:12Hit clothes. Uh basically different, you
37:14know, things that I I need to get rid of
37:15later. Not Not the same kind of clothes
37:17I had on.
37:18I
37:20I don't know what other better word to
37:21use it uh crime clothes or hit clothes.
37:23I just called them hit clothes.
37:26Uh anyway, I walked from my car as a
37:29telephone repairman.
37:31As I walked there, I donned the
37:33telephone helmet. I had a briefcase.
37:35Went to one other address just to kind
37:37of size up the house. I'd walk by it a
37:38couple of times, but I wanted to check
37:40it a little bit more.
37:41Uh as I approached it, I could hear a
37:42piano sound.
37:45And went to this other door, knocked on
37:47it, and told them I was that we were
37:48recently working on telephone repairs in
37:50the area.
37:51And then went to her went to her and
37:54knocked on the door and asked her if I
37:55could come check her telephone lines
37:56inside.
37:58Did she allow you in?
37:59Yes, she did. What happened then? Uh
38:01went over and found out where the
38:02telephone was. Uh simulated that I was
38:04checking the telephone. I had a
38:06make-believe instrument.
38:08And
38:09after she wasn't looking away, I I drew
38:12a pistol at her and asked her if she'd
38:13go back to the bedroom with me.
38:15Was this the same .357 Magnum you'd used
38:18No, this this was a different one.
38:19Different pistol.
38:21All right, you asked her to go back to
38:23the bedroom with you after drawing a
38:24pistol on her. Yes, sir. What happened
38:26then? Uh told her we went back to the
38:28bedroom. I told her I was going to have
38:29to tie her up. Uh she was very upset and
38:33I think
38:35we I used some material that was in and
38:38that's another thing. Not sure, but I I
38:41think I used some material that they had
38:42in their bedroom.
38:44And after I tied her hands, she broke
38:47that and we started fighting.
38:49And we fought quite a bit back and
38:50forth.
38:51All right, she was physically fighting
38:53you.
38:53sir. What happened then? Uh finally got
38:56the hand on her and got a nylon sock and
38:58started strangling.
39:01So, you wrapped the stocking around her
39:02neck.
39:03Yes.
39:04What happened then? Uh I finally gained
39:06the gained on her and and and put her
39:08down and I thought she was dead, but
39:09apparently she wasn't.
39:11But after after she was down and not
39:13moving anymore, I
39:15uh rearranged her clothes a little bit
39:16and took some quick photos. I think
39:19three of them.
39:20I remember.
39:21And then
39:22after that, I
39:24there was a lot of commotion. She had
39:25mentioned something about her husband
39:26coming home.
39:28Uh so, I got out of there pretty quick.
39:29The dogs were raising a lot of commotion
39:31in the back. Doors Windows were all open
39:34in the house. There was a lot of noise
39:35when we were fighting. So, I left pretty
39:37quickly after that. Put everything in
39:38the briefcase and had her I'd already
39:40gone through her purse and got the keys
39:42to the car
39:43and used her car for my getaway car.
39:46All right. Now, you indicate that you
39:47thought that she was dead. Did you
39:48discover later that she was not dead?
39:50Yes, I guess the paramedics arrived and
39:53they tried to attempt to
39:55relieve her or revive her and that that
39:57failed. I don't know whether she died
39:58there or on the way to the hospital or
39:59at the hospital. I don't recollect.
40:02But you later found out that she did die
40:03as a result of your strangulation. Yes.
40:08Uh sir, let's turn to count 10.
40:11In that count, it is claimed that on or
40:13about the 18th day of January, 1991,
40:17to the 19th day of January, 1991, in the
40:21county of Sedgwick, state of Kansas,
40:23that you did then and there unlawfully
40:25kill a human being, that being Dolores
40:27E. Davis, maliciously, willfully,
40:30deliberately, and with premeditation by
40:33strangulation, inflicting injuries from
40:35which the said Dolores E. Davis did die
40:38on January 19, 1991.
40:42Mr. Rader, please tell me what you did
40:43here in Sedgwick County, Kansas on that
40:45day that makes you believe you're
40:47guilty.
40:48Uh that particular day, I had some
40:49commitments. I left those,
40:53went to one place, changed my clothes,
40:56went to another place, uh
40:58parked my car, finally made arrangements
41:00on my hit kit, my clothes,
41:03and then walked to that residence.
41:06Uh
41:07after spending some time at that
41:08residence, uh
41:10it was very cold at night.
41:12I had reservations about going in. I I
41:15had cased the place before and I really
41:17couldn't figure out how to get in and
41:18she was in the house, so
41:20I finally just selected a
41:22a concrete block and threw it through
41:24the plate glass window on the east and
41:26came on in. All right. Where is this
41:28residence located?
41:30It's on Hillside, but I couldn't give
41:31you address. I know it's probably 61,
41:34probably 62 something, on 62 something.
41:37North or South? North. North Hillside.
41:40All right. So, you used a concrete block
41:42to break the window? Mhm. Plate glass
41:44window, patio door.
41:45What happened then? Uh noise, I just
41:48went in.
41:49She came out of the bedroom and thought
41:51that a car had hit her house
41:53and I told her that I was I used to the
41:55roofs of being wanted.
41:58Uh I was on the run, needed food, car,
42:00warmth, warm up.
42:02And uh
42:03and I asked her I handcuffed her and
42:06kind of talked to her, told her that I
42:07would like to get some food, get her
42:10keys, her car,
42:11and kind of reassure her, you know,
42:14walk, talk with her a little bit, calm
42:15her down a little bit.
42:17And uh
42:19and then eventually I checked uh I think
42:21she was still handcuffed. I
42:23uh went back and checked out where the
42:25car was.
42:27Simulated getting some food, odds and
42:29ends in the house, that I like I was
42:31leaving. Then went back and removed her
42:33handcuffs
42:35and then tied her up.
42:37And then
42:38and then eventually strangled her.
42:41Or you say eventually strangled her?
42:42Well, after I tied her up,
42:44I went through some things in the room
42:46there and then and then strangled her.
42:49All right. You say you went through,
42:50were you looking for something? Mhm.
42:52Mostly personal items, yes. I took some
42:54personal items from there. Did you take
42:56personal items in every one of these
42:57incidents? Uh
43:00I did on the Hedge.
43:02Uh I don't remember anything at
43:05uh Vicky's place.
43:08The Oteros, we got the watch and the
43:09radio.
43:11I don't think I did any in Brights.
43:14Uh Lyons, no, I don't think so. Fox,
43:17yes, I took some things from Fox.
43:19It was hit and miss. All right. But in
43:21regard
43:21Probably if it was if it was controlled
43:23situation where I had more time, I took
43:26something, but if it if it was a
43:28confusion and other things, I didn't cuz
43:30I was trying to get out of there. All
43:31right. So, in regard to the Davis
43:33matter, you went around the room, took a
43:35few personal things. What did you do
43:36then? Uh strangled her. What did you
43:39strangle her with? Pantyhose.
43:41All right. What happened then?
43:43Uh kind of like Mrs. Hedge, I
43:46already figured out my I had a you know,
43:49plan on leaving and
43:50put her in a blanket and dragged her to
43:52the car, put her in the trunk of the
43:53car. So, you were able to strangle her
43:55to death with these pantyhose? Yes, sir.
43:58All right. You put her in your car in
44:00her car.
44:00Her car, uh-huh. In the trunk of her
44:02car. What happened then? Uh
44:05I really I had a commitment I needed to
44:08go to, so I moved her to one spot, took
44:11her out of
44:13her car. This gets complicated.
44:16Then
44:18the stuff I had, clothes, gun, whatever,
44:21I took that to another spot
44:23in her car, dumped that off.
44:27Okay. Then took her car back to her
44:30house.
44:32Uh
44:34left that.
44:35Let me think now.
44:39Okay.
44:40In the interim,
44:42I took her car back to her house. In
44:44interim, I realized that I had lost one
44:46of my guns. I dropped it somewhere.
44:48So, I was we started trying to figure
44:50out where my gun was, so I went back in
44:52the house, realized I had dropped it
44:54when I went in the when I broke the
44:55plate glass window. It dropped and fell
44:57on the floor right there and I found it
44:58right there. So, that's all that
45:00problem. Anyway, I went back out,
45:02uh
45:05threw
45:06threw the keys up on top of the roof of
45:07her house, walked from her car back to
45:11my car,
45:13took my car, drove it back,
45:16and I either dropped more stuff off or I
45:19picked her up and put them in my car.
45:21And then I drove up northeast of
45:24Sedgwick County and dropped her off
45:26underneath the bridge.
45:28Okay.
45:31So, all of these incidents, these 10
45:33counts, occurred because you wanted to
45:36satisfy a sexual fantasy. Is that
45:38correct?
45:39Yes.
45:42Does any party desire any further
45:44matters be put on the record at this
45:46time?
45:48No, Your Honor.
45:50All right. You may be seated, Mr. Rader.
45:55I will find that you, Dennis Rader, have
45:58knowingly, intelligently, and
45:59voluntarily waived your constitutional
46:01rights and entered your pleas of guilty.
46:05I will find that you understand the
46:06nature of the charges and the
46:08consequences of your plea.
46:10Based upon your statements to the court,
46:12I will find there are factual bases for
46:14each of these pleas of guilty.
46:16I will accept these pleas of guilty and
46:18adjudge you, Dennis L. Rader,
46:21guilty of murder in the first degree in
46:23count one, a class A felony,
46:26murder in the first degree in count two,
46:28a class A felony,
46:30murder in the first degree in count
46:31three,
46:33a class A felony, murder in the first
46:35degree in count four, a class A felony,
46:39murder in the first degree in count
46:40five, a class A felony,
46:43murder in the first degree in count six,
46:45a class A felony,
46:47murder in the first degree in count
46:49seven, a class A felony,
46:52murder in the first degree in count
46:53eight, a class A felony, murder in the
46:56first degree in count nine, a class A
46:58felony,
46:59and murder in the first degree in count
47:0210, a class A felony.
47:17Mr. Rader, do you desire to say anything
47:19on your own behalf in mitigation of the
47:21punishment?
47:23Your Honor, Sedgwick County,
47:25victims,
47:27do you realize that the crimes I've
47:29committed
47:33They were
47:35Okay. Uh
47:37The atrocious crimes I've committed is
47:40continue to
47:41The Sedgwick County is a monster.
47:44brought to
47:46community,
47:48my family, the victims, dishonor.
47:53And it's all
47:55And it's all self-centered. As a what
47:57you could call I would call a sexual
47:59predator.
48:01Today is my final judgment
48:03for me.
48:05The last presentation in court presented
48:07by the state
48:09The PowerPoint presentation was very
48:11powerful.
48:12It's like couple of things I might point
48:15out toward the last, but overall,
48:17most of that was true.
48:19And I think the
48:21Sedgwick County ought to be proud that
48:23they do have a good state.
48:26That the evidence was there earlier,
48:29DNA, floppy.
48:31There was there was no way that I was
48:32going to get out of this.
48:38With remorse, responsibility,
48:41and corrections,
48:42concepts
48:44of apology.
48:46The old me
48:48started whatever it was, factor X,
48:51sexual predator.
48:52The volcano was the building of all
48:55these years was the Otero.
48:57And probably the most devastating
49:00and upsetting to what I think everybody
49:02is is just me.
49:07I just don't know.
49:09Uh
49:09I self-centered,
49:11very selfish,
49:14and it exploded on that day.
49:16It did continue
49:18off and on.
49:20Dishonesty,
49:22definitely. Dishonesty probably the
49:24first thing to the people
49:26that I encountered,
49:28that they trusted me that I was going to
49:31tie them up, take their money,
49:33and leave,
49:34and then I killed them.
49:36That's
49:38dishonesty to my family.
49:48Lie and cheat
49:50to be self-interest to my employers and
49:53to the county. They would tax payers
49:55money.
50:03For ideal responsibility he doesn't have
50:05pride back then
50:07to some degree in trying to
50:08I dropped down through that but that's
50:10the media.
50:11They seem to crave the attention of the
50:13media.
50:14I think through years that that's quite
50:16hesitation during the presentation and
50:18all my archives that I had you can
50:20understand that.
50:22I did I think
50:24the bottom line of the old is a selfish
50:28very
50:29just associated with with society
50:32self-centered for my own purposes and I
50:36and I take that full burden on my
50:37shoulders.
50:42tickets
50:44I wrote some notes down.
50:48I don't know if this is really
50:49appropriate or not.
50:51And then these things came a lot of
50:53these came out of paper because I didn't
50:55I knew the people
50:56you all know why I chose them
50:59but I thought I'd share some things.
51:02Kathryn Bright
51:06And I hope I don't dwell on the media
51:08because
51:09I did use this some of this from the
51:10media because I didn't know this much
51:11from people.
51:14She spent time at her grandparents farm.
51:16Well, I did too as a kid. I have
51:20many many many
51:22fond memories there and I took that from
51:25She went to Valley Center.
51:28I was at Valley Center High School for 2
51:30years
51:31walked the halls probably the same
51:33line
51:35shared maybe some teachers although they
51:37would have been older.
51:39She worked at Coleman
51:41just like I did trying to fill a job
51:46as anybody would
51:47trying to keep you know his head above
51:49water
51:50and I took that from her.
51:53Dolores Davis
51:56She loved animals and I worked at animal
51:58control. I realize that in the early
52:01years
52:02probably did have some early animals.
52:05I don't think
52:06anybody else
52:08or state or anything they they would say
52:10I was I was always pretty good with
52:11animals. I have I have a great fondness
52:12for animals. I have pets.
52:14And I know she had it.
52:16And I read somewhere she had her last
52:18Christmas
52:20with her family.
52:24I did too.
52:25That was a wonderful time.
52:28I took that from her.
52:31Nancy Fox
52:33she was a wonderful person.
52:35And I did I did track her just like a
52:37predator.
52:40She was a wonderful young lady.
52:44Well organized hard worker and I took
52:46her life.
52:49Mary Edge
52:51She was a neighbor.
52:54I would walk by wave to a gardener. I
52:56love to garden flowers.
53:00She attended church.
53:03The same church I've been to with Boy
53:05Scouts.
53:07She also put trial
53:09with an air force. I was in air force.
53:12He was a husband. I was a husband.
53:15Although I always wanted to be a pilot
53:17always had a fascination with
53:18aerodynamics
53:19he was a pilot.
53:21One time even thought about taking pilot
53:23lessons and a veteran I was a veteran.
53:27So our our threads are close.
53:31Julie O'Carroll
53:33is a lot like my wife a loving mother
53:36raised kids
53:38and she also worked at Coleman.
53:41She also did
53:48She
53:49was a lot like our daughter
53:51that age
53:52played with her Barbie dolls. She loved
53:54that portrait. I loved that portrait.
53:57She liked to draw I liked to draw.
54:01Someone mentioned that she would like
54:02peace in her heart. I think that
54:04probably chose the starting of people
54:05and I put that down
54:07here.
54:10Joseph O'Rourke II
54:12He was just like me one time a boy and a
54:14dog. Again that comes from being a boy.
54:17I have many many many many memories
54:21and a dog.
54:22Excuse me.
54:34Anyway I had a lot of a lot of memories
54:36with my pets.
54:39Boy and a dog is a a thing you have to
54:41have when you're a kid.
54:43Shirley
54:46She was quiet mother.
54:52Probably a a very beloved mother and I
54:53took her life.
54:57Probably your beloved people I didn't
54:58know Vicki Myer and her much although
55:03I walked by her place and could listen
55:05to piano. I appreciate
55:06And I took her life. She's also
55:10a beloved mother.
55:13She attended a church that I went to
55:14once St. Andrews.
55:20I hope I haven't left somebody out on
55:22that.
55:27I think the rebuild
55:30community
55:33basically humbled myself now.
55:36The detention center I'm going to
55:41I've tried to
55:42realize work with the police department
55:45work with my defense
55:48tried to realize my faults.
55:51honesty
55:53Again I think I cooperated with the
55:54police as well as I did. I
55:56understand there was some smoke blowing
55:57that was probably my demise.
56:00The afterlife is smoke. The thing about
56:02Jake and smoke BTK story really parts of
56:06it are smoke.
56:07Problem is I did really so much smoke
56:09that now nobody knows facts or fiction
56:11and that's basically my demise.
56:15I've been very honest with my attorneys.
56:16They worked very hard.
56:20We met almost every day earlier before
56:23the plea somewhat less after that but
56:25it's basically all over
56:27and I Steven encouraged me not to go
56:28with an early plea
56:30so they could do more and
56:32get all the things they could with the
56:35floppy. They had an expert come in go
56:37over the floppy
56:38to see whether there was any problems
56:40with that. They did extensive research
56:42in the DNA.
56:44It was a sore spot with me when they
56:46took my daughter but I understand in law
56:47enforcement you have to do certain
56:49things.
56:51And I think honestly
56:53people will say I'm not a Christian but
56:55I I believe I'm going
56:58So
57:00Anyway
57:01I faced up to the man himself now.
57:04I lost.
57:06I think that all points to
57:07accountability
57:09and full responsibility now.
57:12And my remorse
57:14I think it I think it's real.
57:18I know the victim's family will never be
57:20able to forgive me.
57:23I hope somewhere deep down eventually
57:25that will happen.
57:29When this happened I was what I would
57:30say not a total
57:32at one time. Part of me
57:35only the thoughts only the thoughts that
57:37compartmentalized. That is
57:39probably as the
57:41the state showed started to show today
57:43was compartmentalization of me
57:45and that has been my biggest wreck I
57:47could put back and forth and not proud
57:49of that it's just I
57:50just just
57:51escape mechanism defense mechanism
57:54mechanism.
57:55I could switch back and forth fairly
57:57fast.
57:59I explained to the
58:01defense I was kind of like an 18 wheeler
58:04either uphill or downhill like I could
58:05switch gears very fast rapidly.
58:10Back and forth and as I stand here
58:13in this humble way there may be people
58:15make that I've done that gone back to
58:17compartmentalize but
58:19I don't think so.
58:22So anyway
58:23it's given me the faith to see in today
58:26and not let this pass or remorse.
58:33corrections
58:34This is the full responsibility. I'm
58:36going to the penal institution.
58:39I fold full burden I do not expect
58:41anything but the hard work I can take.
58:44I expected that on the plea that's why I
58:46stepped up with the plea.
58:49I knew after I talked to police and the
58:52evidence there wasn't any way I was
58:54really going to get out of this unless
58:55we found some way of
58:57of uh
58:58some evidence that was just totally out
59:00of the and the trial would have been a
59:02long drawn out to the plea.
59:04There was no way that uh
59:06I was ever going to get out of this.
59:08I thank the corrections. I'm away from
59:11society now.
59:13I'll do my healing process there as well
59:15as I can.
59:16I'll start my new chapter in life.
59:21And I suppose in all good time as Raider
59:24everybody knows Raider has to complain a
59:26little bit so I would like to do some
59:27minor ones not because I want to
59:29complain today but I want to set the
59:31record.
59:32This is my last time.
59:36The probably the biggest problem I have
59:38right now and we're still trying to
59:39answer is what happened to Mendoza. I
59:41had a trust with that person.
59:44A psychiatrist.
59:45He faces work on and other people work
59:47on it.
59:48That was a I just don't know what
59:49happened.
59:50And maybe that'll
59:52happen.
59:54Another one is the and I
59:56I'm just basically expressing this. I
59:59don't have a cure on that.
1:00:00I wish somebody would take part to is
1:00:02lean on my house.
1:00:04That
1:00:05the final victim as Mr. Davis said is my
1:00:07wife too.
1:00:29Excuse me, Jeff.
1:00:38I'll let you I'll get back to that. She
1:00:39is my final victim.
1:00:41That of my family.
1:00:44She knew nothing about this.
1:00:46And yet
1:00:47the laws
1:00:49and I understand it is the lean one on
1:00:50the house is because I have property.
1:00:52There's a lot of defendants that stand
1:00:54up here don't have anything to go after.
1:00:56I know this is very expensive.
1:00:57I
1:00:58probably defense is only somewhere near
1:01:009,000.
1:01:02It's just about what the house sold for.
1:01:04If we wanted to a trial it would be in
1:01:05millions of years.
1:01:07So I I just basically asked that whoever
1:01:10does that final judgment that they think
1:01:12think about the wife.
1:01:15The other one is uh
1:01:18and not a biggie.
1:01:19It's not this last issue is better if I
1:01:21ask for my wallet so I can get some
1:01:23personal pictures out of it. I was
1:01:25hoping the defense would have a court
1:01:26order that before I leave today I can go
1:01:28through that wallet and take some kind
1:01:30of pictures. But that's not a big issue
1:01:32because I understand through code of
1:01:34ethics the defense will turn that
1:01:36property over to the family as well as
1:01:37my clothes.
1:01:39So those are only those are the only
1:01:40really complaints except for PowerPoint.
1:01:44I don't and I again I don't want to pick
1:01:46on the law enforcement. They've done a
1:01:47very good job but I do want to clarify a
1:01:49few things.
1:01:50Just for the records.
1:01:52Because this is basically my final say.
1:01:55The first one there was two actors
1:01:58that were brought out to chain walk on.
1:02:00John Wayne and James Bond.
1:02:02The action of that with Kevin
1:02:05was the shooting not because I stood up
1:02:08and shot him.
1:02:09Because when I was working with the
1:02:11police
1:02:12that was a what I call a quick draw.
1:02:13Just
1:02:14like that.
1:02:15That's what I call the John Wayne shot.
1:02:17It's not that
1:02:19he would do something like that.
1:02:20Secondly, we fought. And for us to fight
1:02:24he had to have both his hands open.
1:02:26The PowerPoint said that
1:02:28he basically stood up and fight and shot
1:02:30him. That's incorrect.
1:02:32He He fought, I backed off. He had his
1:02:35hands out.
1:02:36And I shot him again.
1:02:39And again these are only minor. It does
1:02:41not make any difference. It's probably
1:02:42irrelevant. I just want to set the
1:02:43record straight and that's all, sir.
1:02:47Liane
1:02:48it was in the PowerPoint it was
1:02:50perceived that I
1:02:51was strangling Shirley and I stopped to
1:02:54cover the kids. That's just the
1:02:56opposite.
1:02:57She and her I both put the kids back in
1:02:59the bathroom
1:03:01covered in there before we went in and
1:03:04what happened.
1:03:06So the toys and all that were put in
1:03:07there earlier.
1:03:12So it's basically clarify that on that.
1:03:24And this is really minor.
1:03:26Although it makes you wonder whether the
1:03:28information is tainted or not evidence
1:03:30and what makes you speculate whether the
1:03:32law enforcement did to do although it
1:03:33looked like they did a good job or they
1:03:35did a fine percent.
1:03:37The doors Davis Graves
1:03:40they flipped back and forth. Anybody
1:03:42knows anything about geology
1:03:44structure those trees and stuff were not
1:03:46at like Cheney.
1:03:47They were over in eastern part of the
1:03:49United States.
1:03:50So and those pictures that came in the
1:03:52mail were not
1:03:54they were not the other ones. They were
1:03:55all from the grave site
1:03:57at Cheney.
1:03:59Probably most damaging to me
1:04:03was the pornography.
1:04:05They displayed yes they pornography of
1:04:07what I had drew but I didn't see where
1:04:09they had a lot of pornography but they
1:04:11brought two pictures out.
1:04:13Family will know that I didn't own a
1:04:14camper. I had a pickup with a camper top
1:04:17but it didn't have any shelves in that.
1:04:19So basically evidence was totally
1:04:21tainted. They either picked up a picture
1:04:23from somewhere else or inserted it or
1:04:25didn't realize it.
1:04:26It may have been a relative I'm not
1:04:28sure.
1:04:29But I would think if they had more
1:04:30pornography they would have showed it.
1:04:36That's
1:04:37basically the clarifications.
1:04:40The other thing is uh
1:04:43with the law enforcement uh there seemed
1:04:45to be
1:04:46I was uh
1:04:48played it as a dog catcher.
1:04:50I did go to AJ.
1:04:52Law enforcement.
1:04:53I I felt like I did have a rapport with
1:04:55the law enforcement people.
1:04:57Uh during the confession as they
1:04:59probably said in the paper that I still
1:05:01probably be talking if if the defense
1:05:03person didn't show up. But I we had a
1:05:05good rapport.
1:05:06I almost felt like they were my buddies.
1:05:08At one time I asked about Lamagna maybe
1:05:09coming in and him to have a cup of
1:05:11coffee with me.
1:05:12So there was a rapport. I've always had
1:05:13a great respect for law enforcement.
1:05:17Although I wore a back black hat to the
1:05:20white hat.
1:05:24Thanks.
1:05:27I can't believe the people that have
1:05:28helped me on this.
1:05:30Uh
1:05:31starting with
1:05:32I Now I think the use society have to
1:05:36even though
1:05:37I'm a criminal I think you have to
1:05:39appreciate the police department.
1:05:40They've done a lot of work.
1:05:42Even though it took a long time they
1:05:44gathered evidence. They added evidence.
1:05:46When they got the key suspect they
1:05:48zeroed in on it very rapidly. So to have
1:05:50the dedication that like Mr. Lamagna for
1:05:52all these years it's been great. So I
1:05:54think Saugus County really has a good
1:05:57police force.
1:06:00Defense
1:06:02this has been a unique
1:06:04probably a different type case
1:06:06that they've ever had.
1:06:07We've had our ups and downs but mostly
1:06:09they've been good.
1:06:10It's it it's just like a new learning
1:06:13curve. It's just a new curve and the
1:06:15media has just been terrible.
1:06:18Uh
1:06:18I worked with the media afterwards and
1:06:21yeah it it it I mean it's it's just it's
1:06:23just tremendous.
1:06:25They've done a very good. Sarah has
1:06:26probably been my
1:06:28probably my workhorse.
1:06:29I appreciate her. She's done a lot of
1:06:31good work. Stevie had to keep the heads
1:06:33on all this. And I know that it was very
1:06:35hard at very hard point. I want to go
1:06:37ahead since I worked with the defense
1:06:39very closely give them
1:06:40a little personal.
1:06:42I'm sure I'll go through the list here.
1:06:44I already mentioned Steve, Sarah
1:06:47McKenna.
1:06:48Everybody knows Steve.
1:06:50Another one that helped me was Jamila
1:06:51Mitchell. I think she's on a case today.
1:06:53Probably
1:06:54Is that correct you know Liane?
1:06:56Or is the one over there? Okay.
1:06:58Uh Liane Savage. She was a social worker
1:07:01that did a lot of research for me at her
1:07:03earlier. I appreciate her helping that.
1:07:05There's Jenny Bonner with a special
1:07:07investigator.
1:07:08And then Jamie Chambers she's the one
1:07:09that cut my hair and brought my clothes
1:07:10up. So I have a
1:07:12you know they were basically my family
1:07:14so I appreciate that. On professional
1:07:16staff although we had some questions
1:07:18with uh Robert J. Mendoza and what
1:07:20happened there I think that time that
1:07:22will be solved but I still have to give
1:07:24him credit for coming in and helping me
1:07:26and working with me. And I'm sure I I
1:07:29hope I pronounce this right. This top
1:07:30top of K Woolard she was the other
1:07:32doctor that came in. And they were all
1:07:34from Cambridge.
1:07:35We're going to see
1:07:37society or consultants.
1:07:40So I really appreciate the defense.
1:07:41They've done a lot for me. Kept me
1:07:43advised.
1:07:46Saugus County
1:07:48attention sir.
1:07:50Uh
1:07:51I was really scared when I first came in
1:07:52here.
1:07:53I've never been I've never been arrested
1:07:55before.
1:07:56I really didn't like the look. I was
1:07:58basically 40 43 days 42 43 days after
1:08:01isolation.
1:08:03Uh
1:08:04at first the officers
1:08:06trial officers they call them deputies
1:08:07down there. Five deputies were
1:08:10they didn't know me. I didn't know them
1:08:11but they they finally opened up.
1:08:13And they became human and I think they
1:08:15realized I was human too. Eventually I
1:08:17moved over to the pod two.
1:08:19Uh
1:08:20that's a very much camaraderie with
1:08:23with what I call the dirty dozen or the
1:08:26or the Cs in the pod. They were just a
1:08:27bunch of great guys. Most of those guys
1:08:29are gone now.
1:08:30But I I had a lot of good respect. I sat
1:08:32down with them. We're all
1:08:34all have crimes.
1:08:36But there's you basically build a
1:08:37camaraderie
1:08:39with those type people.
1:08:41The people that moved me around
1:08:44I'm what they call
1:08:45I call it hot peppers or habanero. They
1:08:47were red. We have had the special
1:08:49movers.
1:08:51And again I hope I pronounce these from
1:08:52the detention area I hope I pronounce
1:08:54these people's last names right and if I
1:08:56leave somebody else I apologize for
1:08:57that.
1:08:59One I had is Barbara Hinshaw.
1:09:01Captain Barbara Maxwell.
1:09:03Captain Glenn Kurtz. Lieutenant
1:09:07Larry Brad. Sergeant he's my main
1:09:09sergeant. He's one that's been
1:09:11very very close with me and worked with
1:09:13me and David Miller.
1:09:15And I have a lot of respect for him.
1:09:16He's been my main main sergeant on the
1:09:18judicial.
1:09:20And I'll probably mess up his last name
1:09:22but it's Daniel
1:09:23Fardens Brand. And I I messed that up.
1:09:26I'm sorry.
1:09:27It's their great fault.
1:09:29There's many many many more beyond
1:09:31those.
1:09:32I would be here a long time without
1:09:34help. So, I do appreciate all those
1:09:35people that helped.
1:09:39Pastor Clark
1:09:41He has been
1:09:44my main man.
1:09:47He comes to see me every day. Or not
1:09:49every day, excuse me. At least once a
1:09:50week, sometimes twice a week.
1:09:52If anybody has been dishonest to
1:09:54him right there.
1:10:02Under the house of God, I prayed to
1:10:04these things.
1:10:06Did atrocious acts.
1:10:11And for him to for him to stay with me
1:10:12and remain strong
1:10:18Yeah, he's a good man.
1:10:19I appreciate that.
1:10:27He also went with me
1:10:29earlier this week with your confession.
1:10:31I sat down with you each of the
1:10:33the people I killed.
1:10:35And we confessed them all.
1:10:38And
1:10:39and I felt a strengthening of bonds
1:10:40there at that time
1:10:42with him.
1:10:44Family,
1:10:45the last victims.
1:10:48I I don't even know where to start with
1:10:49them.
1:10:51They
1:10:53you know, they're still supportive a
1:10:54little bit.
1:10:55My wife's gone on, divorced.
1:10:57She's trying to stay out of harm's way.
1:11:00Uh since my kids are away,
1:11:03I don't get much letters or anything
1:11:04from them. But they're they're basically
1:11:05supportive.
1:11:10The police.
1:11:16Friends.
1:11:17Without friends, a person I don't think
1:11:19in this hundred what I've been here all
1:11:20175 176 days, you couldn't survive
1:11:23without friends.
1:11:24If you didn't have family to support
1:11:26you, if you don't have something or
1:11:27someone to come to you like Pastor
1:11:29Clark, you'd go down. Just mentally
1:11:31you'd go down.
1:11:33So, friends have been a very
1:11:35key part.
1:11:37The people in the pod.
1:11:39Uh
1:11:40pod deputies.
1:11:41And sergeant.
1:11:43Although they can't have a real friend
1:11:45relationship with a friend.
1:11:48I got this out this morning for the
1:11:50other day when I was working out. This
1:11:52comes from the daily devotions, a
1:11:53Christian book.
1:11:54It's called Touched by a Stranger, which
1:11:56is an article.
1:11:57And in the bottom
1:11:59there's an article.
1:12:01It's by S. There isn't a first name for
1:12:03it.
1:12:04But it's something like a friend would
1:12:05do, and I really appreciate it. Like the
1:12:07refreshing rain in the summer or the
1:12:09gentle breeze in the spring,
1:12:11just a little gift of kindness
1:12:13joy someone hearts can bring.
1:12:15With the immediate exposure to my
1:12:16family, they said they had to almost to
1:12:19stay away. So, I really didn't have any
1:12:20support. There was one people one person
1:12:23that stepped up, Christina Castner that
1:12:26really helped.
1:12:27And I really appreciate her support.
1:12:30There's another one that's out on the
1:12:31West Coast, Andy Parshall. He's another
1:12:33Christian, and I really support support
1:12:36I would have gone down a long time ago
1:12:37without their support. So, I do want to
1:12:39mention their names.
1:12:51A Christian Bible verse I found that I
1:12:53think
1:12:54it's helping me will help me, leading
1:12:57me.
1:12:57This is John 8:12.
1:13:00I am the light of the world.
1:13:01He who follow me shall not walk in
1:13:03darkness, but have life with light. Now
1:13:05that I've confessed,
1:13:08put myself out, let everybody know
1:13:10what's going on,
1:13:11I expect to heal and to have life.
1:13:14And then hopefully someday God will
1:13:16accept me.
1:13:23I thank Sacramento County, myself,
1:13:28we speak of a man as an evil man.
1:13:31The dark side is there.
1:13:33But now
1:13:34I think light's beginning to shine.
1:13:40So,
1:13:41I appreciate the family, friends,
1:13:44and all I can be thankful for.
1:13:47And I think that will keep me from
1:13:48finally going to the dark side or hell.
1:13:54And finally, I finally apologize to
1:13:57victims' families.
1:13:59There's no way
1:14:02that I can ever repay.
1:14:07Officer.
1:14:10All right. Thank you very much.

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