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0:00This is an area where I think the the
0:02Christian church fails. They talk about
0:04Jesus and God and and good. That's good.
0:08But it's not Jesus and God that's
0:09causing the problems. It's these
0:11negative entities. These things are
0:13putting negative thoughts into your
0:16brain all the time. You know, every
0:17negative thought you can imagine. And
0:19these things feed off of that negative
0:22stuff. And if you believe that, then
0:24you're done. It seems to me like these
0:26forces their agenda is to harvest your
0:30negative energy. They want you in a
0:32fearful scared state and then they feed
0:34off that energy. And then two, they get
0:36I guess a ton of glory in the negative
0:39kingdom if they get beautiful souls that
0:42have great purpose or great potential
0:44for God's kingdom. If they get those
0:46souls to take themselves out, it's like
0:48hitting the jackpot.
0:49>> The only place we can save the world
0:51begins in our own mind by ceasing to
0:54give attention to negative thoughts and
0:56energies in our mind and forgiving and
0:58loving and having compassion. If we want
1:00to vanquish the powers of evil that
1:02control this planet, the first place to
1:04start is to make sure there's no evil
1:06happening in your own mind, right? You
1:08look at what's going on in your head and
1:09you're hearing thousands of thoughts a
1:11day. But who's listening to those
1:14thoughts? That's the real you. Just stay
1:16present. All this other stuff is
1:18distractions. It keeps you from from
1:20being who you really are.
1:24[Music]
1:30Shalom aleichem. Peace be with you, my
1:32friends. Welcome back to the Jesus Way
1:34podcast.
1:36Today we're going to be talking about a
1:37very interesting subject that doesn't
1:40get a lot of conversation, I think, in
1:41the spiritual space in general,
1:43which is the subject of
1:46evil spirits or demons or as we're going
1:49to call them today, negative entities.
1:52Jesus was obviously famous for being a
1:55miracle worker who would cast out demons
1:57from people. And there's a lot of
1:58misguided notions about what demons
2:00exactly are, especially in religion, of
2:02course, but even in the larger spiritual
2:05world as well. And we want to clear this
2:07subject up because as a
2:10as someone who's walking a spiritual
2:11path, you are going to encounter the
2:14demonic at some point and probably
2:16already have in many ways. And so as
2:18part of being um well-rounded and not
2:22just full of love, but full of wisdom as
2:24well, we want to understand and arm
2:26ourselves with the knowledge of what
2:28what are demons or negative entities?
2:32What is their modus operandi? What is
2:34their agenda? How do they function? And
2:35all these kinds of important questions.
2:37So today we're going to be diving into
2:39the science of demonology, if you prefer
2:42to call it that, which is something that
2:43we've touched on before on this show,
2:45being that the Nazarene Christians had a
2:48pretty extensive demonology from the
2:50Clementine writings that is very helpful
2:52to read to familiarize yourself with
2:54some of the things we're going to talk
2:56about today.
2:57But we wanted to go to a more direct
2:58source today and we're joined by a very
3:01amazing guest named Jerry Marzinsky, who
3:04is a retired licensed psychotherapist
3:06with more than three decades of direct
3:09experience working with the most
3:11challenging psychiatric and criminally
3:13insane populations in the country.
3:17Jerry's career placed him inside of a
3:19very volatile um state hospital
3:21environment and maximum security prisons
3:24where he began to study with a lot of
3:26patience and dedication
3:28the thought patterns and disturbing
3:30voices reported by
3:32psychiatric patients.
3:34And he's also a co-author of a book
3:36about this subject called An Amazing
3:38Journey into the psychotic mind,
3:40which is a book that very much
3:42challenges the conventional thinking on
3:43mental illness and gets into this topic
3:46today of uh what we're going to be
3:48talking about with negative entities.
3:50And so I think Jerry's insights into the
3:52nature of voices and spiritual
3:54oppression offer a very unique
3:55perspective for this conversation today.
3:59So with all that being said, Jerry,
4:00thanks so much for joining us for
4:01today's episode, brother. Well, thank
4:03you guys for having me. I mean, this is
4:06a this is an area where I think the the
4:08Christian church fails.
4:11is they they talk about Jesus and God
4:14and and good. That's good. But it's not
4:17Jesus and God that's causing the
4:18problems.
4:22It's these negative it's these negative
4:24entities. And you know, there's a lot of
4:26churches that don't want to even mention
4:28it. They don't want to even bring it up.
4:30You know?
4:31It it's uh that's that's too bad because
4:35they operate
4:36in
4:38obscurity. They they
4:40they thrive in silence and and not
4:44knowing.
4:45You know, they they get away with
4:46murder.
4:48Uh
4:48because nobody's nobody is aware of
4:51them, you know, or how they operate.
4:54So like you said, I've I've worked on
4:56the front lines of mental health my
4:58entire career.
4:59And
5:01you know,
5:02I've worked in every every kind of
5:04mental health institution. I started off
5:06on one of the biggest state hospitals on
5:09the planet. They they had 10,000
5:11patients there when I got there.
5:13They had 200 buildings and it was the
5:15size of a small town. They had their own
5:17mortuary.
5:18They had 30,000 patients buried there.
5:21Central State Hospital in Georgia.
5:23Um General Sherman camped his troops on
5:26the on the front lawn of this place, you
5:28know, over 100 years ago.
5:30So it had a long long history.
5:33And um
5:35and I've worked in
5:36private psychiatric hospitals. I've
5:38worked in county psychiatric hospitals.
5:40I've worked in state psychiatric
5:41hospitals. I worked in the psychology
5:43department of a
5:45uh large uh state prison for almost 20
5:50years.
5:51Um
5:53mental health centers,
5:55uh consulting I mean, I've done it all.
5:57And working with people all over the
5:59planet now with a brand new cutting-edge
6:02energetic psychotherapy that actually
6:05works to get at the problems that people
6:08are having instead of just dousing down
6:10the symptoms with drugs.
6:12Yeah.
6:13>> Uh it's cutting-edge stuff. I'm
6:15Something like that finally showed up.
6:17I've been looking for it for decades and
6:18I finally found it.
6:20Wow.
6:22It's called
6:23>> hear more about that then for sure.
6:25Yeah, it's called the Mace Energy
6:26Method. Um
6:28and I I can go into that
6:30how it operates and and sometimes it
6:33will get rid of these voices.
6:35Uh I think right now there's probably
6:37about a 30% chance of getting rid of
6:40them, but if it doesn't get rid of them,
6:42it will get rid of what they feed off
6:44of.
6:44The negative emotional energy, which is
6:46their food.
6:48So uh
6:49For sure. After graduate school, I I was
6:52hired at Central State Hospital
6:55um
6:56under vocational rehabilitation in a
6:58psychiatric rehabilitation program.
7:01So our job was to find the highest
7:03functioning patients in the state
7:05hospital, get them trained in a skill
7:08and then release them.
7:10And uh
7:12uh
7:13our job was to find them and then send
7:16them to the the psych rehab center. So I
7:19was assigned to one of the larger
7:21psychiatric units out there.
7:23And you know, when I got there,
7:27noth- nothing in in education from
7:31prepared me for this. I mean, it was it
7:33was a totally different world. It was
7:34like a a sea of insanity, you know, with
7:38there were 200 different buildings
7:40there.
7:41Um
7:43You know, I remember when I first got
7:45there,
7:46uh I was pulling up on my motorcycle. I
7:48drove a motorcycle all over the place
7:50then.
7:51And uh I stopped at the intersection for
7:54the hospital
7:55and off to my right comes this
7:58skinny
7:59guy completely naked running across the
8:02intersection.
8:03So I knew he'd escaped from one of the
8:05psychiatric units. I'm sitting there
8:06watching him. I could have chased him
8:08down on the motorcycle, you know, easy.
8:10I'm going, well, what are you going to
8:12do if you catch him?
8:14He's not going to go voluntarily. He's
8:15running from this place, you know?
8:17Uh there were no cell phones then. So
8:20you know, they they had the dial-up
8:22phones. So I just went, okay.
8:25Let him go.
8:26And uh
8:28He's probably better off. That was That
8:30was my introduction to
8:32you know, my first working days there.
8:35Wow.
8:36>> Wow. My goodness. Well, Jerry, I've
8:39wanted to have this conversation for
8:41with you for years because you helped me
8:44make sense of a
8:46a very terrible tragedy in my life a few
8:48years ago when my best friend took his
8:50own life.
8:51And he was an extremely happy, outgoing,
8:55loved person. He was a truly a light in
8:57the world.
8:58Yeah.
8:59>> And everyone loved him. He was a special
9:01person. And we were all so shocked and
9:04heartbroken and disturbed.
9:07And especially myself because I saw a
9:09change take place in him in the two
9:12weeks before his death, which was also
9:15precipitated by a new amphetamine
9:18prescription from a doctor.
9:20And I noticed his personality start
9:22changing. I noticed his eyes started
9:24changing, if that makes sense.
9:27It was him, but it wasn't him. Yeah.
9:30And he also um
9:33told me he started hearing voices.
9:36So after he passed away, you know, my I
9:39was just totally broken and looking for
9:42answers. And that's when I came across
9:44your content uh that there are entities
9:47and they especially prey on people with
9:50various types of addiction, especially
9:52amphetamines.
9:54And that they can
9:57basically pretend to be of their voice.
10:01Like people believe that it is their own
10:03voice, but it isn't their voice. It's
10:05another voice. And this was completely
10:07paradigm shattering for me.
10:09And you also introduced me to Swedenborg
10:11who believed that we are basically the
10:13choosers of who we listen to, that
10:16there's angelic voices from heaven and
10:18demonic voices from hell constantly
10:20interfacing and we're the ones who give
10:22life to those voices.
10:25So, I'm so honored to have you here
10:27because you've been so instrumental in
10:28my spiritual development. And the first
10:31question I wanted to ask you is as you
10:34started working at these prisons, you
10:36were trained to see
10:38schizophrenia through a certain
10:39paradigm, correct? It was totally wrong.
10:42It was It was totally broken. It It was
10:45uh
10:46It was fostered by big farmer.
10:49And and forced upon the universities to
10:52uh to teach so they
10:54they It It's It's like
10:56the psychiatrist, they they remind me of
10:59the Egyptian priests of old.
11:01They go, "We're psychiatrists, so we
11:03hereby proclaim that these voices are
11:05hallucinations because we say so."
11:08They had no research to back it up. They
11:10had nothing to back it up other than
11:12their arrogance.
11:14Yeah. And then they started publishing
11:16that.
11:17You know, it was a lie told by Eli Lilly
11:20back in the I think it was the '70s when
11:22they came out with Prozac. They were
11:25looking for some way to explain why that
11:27antidepressant drug worked. They didn't
11:30know why it worked. They thought it was
11:31a serotonin reuptake inhibitor that
11:34prevented the
11:35um the cell from absorbing the um
11:39neurotransmitter and and then destroying
11:42it.
11:43So
11:44So, once those uh those
11:45neurotransmitters are used, they're then
11:47destroyed.
11:48This drug was supposed to prevent
11:51the body from destroying those
11:53neurotransmitters and and setting off
11:55the nerves
11:57more often.
11:59It was a lie.
12:00You know, it's it's a
12:02it was a dangerous lie.
12:04So, Eli Lilly
12:07put it out. They knew it was a lie at
12:09the time. They didn't care.
12:11They published it and then the big
12:13farmer ran with it. They started
12:15teaching it in the medical schools even
12:17though there was no proof for it.
12:19Now it's been disproven and they're
12:21still pushing it. Only they changed
12:23their caveat a little bit. I saw one
12:25about 3 weeks ago. I was looking at one
12:27of their commercials. They go, "It is
12:29believed that
12:31schizophrenia and mental health illness
12:33is caused by a chemical imbalance of the
12:36brain."
12:37There's no proof for that whatsoever.
12:40Matter of fact, it's been disproved.
12:43There There is no chemical imbalance in
12:45the brain of schizophrenics. They don't
12:47even know what the chemical balance of
12:48the brain should be.
12:51It's a total lie that they they pushed
12:53on the entire planet.
12:55You know, and they're drugging people
12:57down at a horrendous rate. They're
12:59drugging kids now. I mean, little kids.
13:01Under the age of 5, they're giving them
13:03antipsychotic drugs. They're giving them
13:05Ritalin uh the same thing to
13:08same thing that your friend took.
13:10>> It's evil. If anything's evil, that's
13:11evil. That's evil. I I have the
13:14statistics here somewhere.
13:16But uh
13:17Yeah, it's it's like in the in the
13:19tens of thousands.
13:22They're taking a spiritual problem and
13:26medicalizing it and coming up with a an
13:28expensive cure that doesn't even work.
13:31So
13:32So
13:32>> No. None of their mental illness drugs
13:35work to cure anything.
13:37What they're treating is symptoms. And
13:39that's what they want. They don't make
13:41any money by curing anybody like the
13:43Mason energy method does. They make
13:45money by endlessly treating symptoms.
13:49All right.
13:50So, with schizophrenia, they these drugs
13:52are major tranquilizers.
13:55They
13:56actually with long-term use will
13:58actually shrink your brain.
14:00So, what they found with autopsies of
14:02long-term mental patients in state
14:05hospitals, when they did an autopsy,
14:07they saw their brains were shrunk like
14:08walnuts.
14:10You know?
14:11And and you could actually see them.
14:12They called it the Thorazine shuffle.
14:15Where these long-term patients wouldn't
14:17They They didn't walk with a normal
14:18gait. They actually shuffled. They would
14:20just drag their feet behind them because
14:22they neurologically couldn't
14:24you know, walk normally anymore. So,
14:27these drugs are dangerous with long-term
14:29use.
14:30Oh, yeah. They're They're They're bad
14:33with short-term use, but they don't cure
14:35anything. Those antidepressants don't
14:37cure anything. The antipsychotic drugs,
14:40once you stop taking them, the voices
14:42come back. They don't Most of the time,
14:44they don't ever leave. They just lower
14:46them.
14:47They just lower the volume of them.
14:49Right.
14:50And then they charge a fortune for them.
14:52Yeah, it's it's a sick system. So
14:56From your experience, when did you
14:58personally start realizing
15:01or suspecting that these voices were not
15:05a mental imbalance or a chemical
15:08imbalance, but actually some kind of
15:11interdimensional entities or forces at
15:14work here?
15:16Well
15:17I was a very
15:19uh anti-authoritarian
15:21guy. The way I was raised. I didn't
15:24trust authority as far as I could throw
15:25them.
15:26But what I did trust, I thought I
15:28thought college these guys were gods.
15:31And my dad kind of
15:33fostered that. Oh, yeah, you got to go
15:34to college and you have to do it and you
15:36But I did it. So, I thought they were
15:38they were gods.
15:39And then I hit abnormal psychology and I
15:41was just fascinated with it. But one
15:43thing I noticed, they didn't have any
15:44causes listed on They had a whole list
15:47of all these different mental illnesses,
15:49you know, with different descriptions
15:50and all these different areas and you
15:52know, it looked like a real scientific
15:54work. There wasn't one cause down
15:56anywhere.
15:58Not one.
15:59You know? So, I went, "That's odd."
16:02Uh and then in that same class, we were
16:05ordered to read a paper written by a
16:08clinical psychologist
16:10who said, "If two schizophrenics with
16:12the same delusion ran into each other."
16:16So, if
16:18you know, both of them thought they were
16:19Joe Biden, one of them would have to
16:21change
16:22to some other delusion.
16:24And even as an undergraduate, I I was
16:26going like, "Why would they have to do
16:28that? They're both nuts. Why would you
16:29know, what would it matter to them?" It
16:31didn't make any sense to me. But one
16:33thing I hated about
16:35undergraduate and and even graduate
16:37psychology is you don't you can't get
16:40access to a clinical population. You
16:42can't go into a mental hospital. You
16:44can't go into a prison. You can't go
16:47into a mental health center. They won't
16:49allow you in there. They said, "Oh, it's
16:51way too dangerous. You know, we can't
16:53take the risk." Bull crap. The entire
16:55time in the third more than 35 years
16:58I've worked on the front lines in
16:59different mental hospitals, never ever
17:02did I see a researcher on the front
17:04lines. Ever.
17:06They weren't working with the actual
17:08patients. They weren't in the mental
17:09health centers. They weren't in the
17:11county hospitals. They weren't in the
17:12prison. They weren't in the state
17:14hospitals. They weren't to be seen
17:17anywhere. Yeah. Never did I see one. And
17:20any visitor who came in, so you know, if
17:22a
17:23congressman or or somebody from the
17:26Senate wanted to see what the inside of
17:28a prison, they were surrounded with
17:32uh
17:32what do you call it? Administrative
17:34staff. They weren't allowed to talk to
17:36the patients or or to the prisoners. You
17:39know, and it's the same way. I remember
17:40a nursing class. I was sitting there one
17:42day and then this was in a private
17:43hospital
17:44where they're telling the nurses, "Don't
17:46look them in the eye. You They're
17:48dangerous. Don't look them in the eye."
17:49And I'm like, "What are you What are you
17:51What are you
17:52What is this?" You know, I'm like
17:54shaking my head. It's like, "Come off
17:56it." You know? It's It's bull crap. You
17:58know, you don't want to be bird-dogging
18:00them. You don't want to be staring at
18:01them
18:02That'll set them off. That'll set
18:04anybody off.
18:05>> demon. Yeah, yeah.
18:07Yeah.
18:08Uh it's nuts.
18:10Well, Jerry, I grew up as a evangelical
18:12pastor's son and um you know, we had a
18:14very spirit-filled church and as you
18:16probably know,
18:18there does tend to be a lot of demonic
18:20manifestation activities in evangelical
18:22services. And um I just want to offer
18:24some thoughts and get your reflections
18:26cuz I noticed even as a child some
18:27patterns.
18:29And one of them was that demons would
18:31only manifest in our church when we
18:33would create these really powerfully
18:35charged environments of worship and
18:37praise to God where the whole service
18:40would just be in an uproar, just lifting
18:41our hands and praising, and that's when
18:43demons would manifest.
18:45And I don't know if it was strategic on
18:48their part or a enforced thing based on
18:51the energy in the room. I think probably
18:52the latter.
18:53But they would make a huge commotion to
18:55end the praise and worship ceremony with
18:58their distraction.
18:59And uh this is a story I'll never
19:01forget.
19:02My dad in one of these services a
19:04elderly woman manifested a a demon and
19:07we thought, you know, we had the typical
19:09Christian religious view of demons which
19:11is like, "Oh, they're fallen angels and
19:12stuff."
19:13And I don't believe that anymore. I
19:14think it's more complicated than that.
19:17Or actually more simple in one sense,
19:18but um
19:20this woman manifested a a demon and the
19:22voice coming out of her was much lower
19:24and and kind of scary, right? And I'm
19:26like probably 8 years old and seeing
19:27this and
19:28there's other children in the room, so
19:30they get the ushers and they get this
19:31lady back to the back of the stage and
19:34all the pastors go in the back. And I
19:36think our worship minister took over the
19:38rest of the service.
19:39And I was taken home by my
19:43um one of our parents' friends at the
19:45church and they kind of sat and watched
19:47us for a few hours or whatever. And then
19:48my parents came home and I remember my
19:50dad walking in with his Sunday, you
19:52know, suit on, his shirt and tie like
19:54soaked in sweat.
19:57And he he told me later that they had
19:58done demonic deliverance for 8 hours
20:02with this person.
20:03And he said that they had her pinned
20:05down to the floor cuz she was very
20:06strong even though she was a little old
20:08woman.
20:08>> supernaturally strong when they get
20:10upset, supernaturally.
20:12Yeah, it's wild.
20:14And they had to have four men that he
20:16said hold her down the entire time or
20:17she could get up unless it was at least
20:19four men.
20:20And so my dad's ministering to her while
20:22she's on the floor and her face is kind
20:23of upside down for my dad and he's like,
20:25you know, preaching the word over her or
20:27whatever.
20:28And he said he saw this energetic demon
20:29face kind of pop out and then it flipped
20:32around to look at him like straight on.
20:34So it wasn't upside down anymore and he
20:36was looking at this holographic demon
20:38face and it was laughing at him and
20:39stuff. And he said they couldn't they
20:41basically they couldn't cast it out.
20:43And um I think in large part that was
20:45because they were approaching it totally
20:47wrong which is like, "I rebuke you."
20:49Like kind of angry energy. Yeah, they
20:51feed off of that.
20:53Yeah, they feed off of that kind of
20:54energy. Yes. Yeah, so the demon would
20:57start cussing and like try to stir them
20:59up and and trigger them and stuff. So
21:01anyway, that's some stuff that I grew up
21:03seeing even as a little child and it a
21:04little bit traumatizing to see that as a
21:06kid. But um I'd love to hear you just
21:08unpack a little bit more of the science
21:10of what or the metaphysics rather of
21:12what you think's really going on of like
21:14how are these people getting possessed
21:16if we want to call it that? And what is
21:18the goal of these negative entities?
21:21Well,
21:21the goal is they feed off of us like we
21:23feed off cattle.
21:26You know, they
21:27Yeah. What's so tricky about them is
21:30you you don't find psychiatrists,
21:32psychology, or social worker, any of
21:33these people ever asking where the
21:35thoughts come from.
21:37They just assume that they belong to
21:39you.
21:40That's what I was saying. That's crazy.
21:41That's all. says something very
21:42different. He said they either come from
21:44heaven or they come from hell or they
21:46come from somewhere in between.
21:48But that your your mind is basically
21:50like a radio receiver.
21:52All right? You tune into the ones you're
21:55listening to.
21:56You know? So you got these guys playing
21:58with Ouija boards, you got them using
22:00meth. They're tuning into a very low
22:02level. I've I've seen a number of people
22:04who become possessed using Ouija boards.
22:07They ought to outlaw those things. They
22:09shouldn't be child's toys. They're
22:11dangerous.
22:12You know, there's a number of people
22:14that became psychotic. They were they
22:16heard the they were talking to this
22:18voice on the Ouija board. And then it
22:20appeared in their head and then it's
22:22talking to them in their head. They
22:23didn't need the Ouija board anymore and
22:25it wouldn't go away.
22:25>> Wow.
22:27All right.
22:27The other way they uh open up is with
22:30amphetamine. The prisoners called
22:32amphetamine the devil's drug.
22:34I mean there were I saw more prisoners
22:37go psychotic on methamphetamine than any
22:40other drug. Cocaine was right behind.
22:43But methamphetamine was number one.
22:46Okay?
22:47Second way they become
22:49possessed is by
22:51spirit channeling.
22:53You know, you know, they don't know who
22:54they're playing with. You know, and they
22:57they these voices they're consummate
22:58liars.
23:00You can't believe anything they say.
23:02So, you know, when I got to this this
23:05state hospital
23:07I would I was told that, you know, I was
23:09taught that these things are auditory
23:12hallucinations.
23:14So what I think, you know, okay, they're
23:15hallucinations. They must be like word
23:17salad, you know, they must be just like
23:20they don't they don't they don't
23:21they don't make any sense. That's not
23:23what I saw. So I was telling you about
23:25this one guy
23:27um
23:28where I was told
23:30uh
23:31if two guys with the same
23:33delusion one of them would have to
23:35change. Okay?
23:37So since I didn't have access to a
23:39clinical population, I had to finish my
23:41master's degree before I had access to a
23:43clinical population. So they make sure
23:45you're good and brainwashed before they
23:47let you loose in there.
23:49You know? And and I didn't trust them
23:51worth a worth a darn. I mean they didn't
23:54like answering questions and and it the
23:56higher you got, the worse it got. You
23:58get up to the PhD program, boy, they
24:00didn't like to be asked questions at
24:02all. They don't like to be challenged.
24:04And here I'd already spent 7 years on
24:06the front lines so, you know,
24:09on the on the
24:11the the real front lines of mental
24:13health, you know, in that big
24:14psychiatric hospital. And I get into
24:16this PhD program and what they're
24:18teaching is like that's not what I saw.
24:20That's not what I experienced. And none
24:22of these guys had any kind of front line
24:24clinical uh
24:26uh experience like that. They might have
24:28been, you know, student counselors or
24:30something like that or they they went
24:31from, you know, BA to master's degree
24:34into the PhD program. But they didn't
24:37have any real front line clinical
24:39experience and I'm like, "Man,
24:42I I remember
24:43one day the the uh
24:46the head of the psychology department,
24:48he used to be a preacher.
24:50He want He calls all the second year of
24:52PhD students together.
24:54And he goes, "Okay, I want to talk to
24:55all you guys." And we're doing what's
24:57all this about? So we all show up in
24:58this auditorium and he's
25:00describing this this uh
25:02[Music]
25:03uh research
25:05paper that he wrote.
25:07And he he starts describing the
25:09statistical part. Now I'm not a
25:11statistical genius, but I had a fair
25:13amount by the time I got there. And he
25:15was describing the top 5% as if it were
25:18the entire population.
25:20And I'm like, "Now he can't be doing
25:22that." Well, yeah, that's what he was
25:23doing.
25:24You know, so I raised my hand and I
25:25said, "Hey, you know, Jerry, what what's
25:28going on here? What are
25:29you you're describing
25:31the entire population
25:33based on a 5%
25:36sample that you took from the top of
25:38this population. It's not representative
25:41of the entire population."
25:43And I'll never forget the answer he
25:44said. He said uh
25:46"Well, if the people reading the
25:47research don't know that, that's their
25:50problem."
25:51And I did my head just went boom, you
25:54know, I'm like,
25:55"This is the head of the psychology
25:56department who used to be a preacher
25:58teaching us how to lie with statistics?"
26:01And there were only two of us. I mean I
26:02was I was stunned and I looked around at
26:04the other students. There's only one
26:05other guy, a friend of mine, who looked
26:08at me and just went
26:09and then we had to change our face so he
26:11didn't see us.
26:12But the rest of them were going, "Oh, so
26:14that's how it's done, huh?" You know,
26:15I'm like, "Oh my god."
26:17You know, that was a big that was a big
26:19letdown.
26:20But um
26:22then when I got when I got there, I was
26:24telling you about this guy
26:27uh
26:28the the research where the two
26:30two patients who had the same delusion,
26:32one of them had to change.
26:34So here I'm hearing patients carrying on
26:38fully coherent conversations
26:42with someone or something that I
26:44couldn't see.
26:47You know, and I went, "Well, that's
26:48odd."
26:49You know, and I went, "That must be the
26:51voices." But I was thinking the voices
26:53are incoherent, you know, because
26:55they're supposedly hallucinations.
26:58That's what the experts told me. That's
27:00what they taught me all through all
27:02these years of programming.
27:04You know, and I'm like, "But that's
27:05that's not what I'm seeing." You know,
27:06so
27:08I crept up behind one guy
27:10and I was I was kind of trying to listen
27:12in on what he was saying. Nobody else
27:14was interested in the voices. Nobody had
27:16any curiosity about them at all. What
27:19they were saying, what they were doing,
27:20what they were, nothing. They all
27:22believed they were auditory
27:24hallucinations and to just ignore them.
27:27You know?
27:28The whole hospital, hundreds and
27:29hundreds of staff, not one person was
27:32curious about those voices except me.
27:34You know? And it wasn't making sense
27:36what I was seeing. So I crept up behind
27:38this guy
27:39and I'm listening to him and it was just
27:41like listening to one, you know,
27:44somebody talking on the phone. You could
27:46hear what they're saying, but you can't
27:47hear what was coming in.
27:49And what he was saying was he was
27:51arguing with these things and it was a
27:53perfectly coherent conversation where he
27:55would pause and he would respond and
27:57then and then he turns around and he
27:59catches me.
28:00And I go,
28:01"Oh, hey, I'm the psych for this unit.
28:04My name's Jerry. I I haven't seen you
28:05before.
28:07When did you get here?" And he goes, "I
28:09I got here a week or two ago."
28:11And I said, "What's your name?"
28:13And he looks at me and he goes,
28:15"I'm Jesus Christ."
28:17And I think back to the
28:19you know, that
28:21devil thing and I look him in the eye
28:23and I go,
28:24"No, no. No, you can't be Jesus Christ
28:25because I am."
28:27And I'm going, "Okay, what's he going to
28:29do?"
28:30You know, is is he going to change his
28:32his
28:33uh his delusion?
28:35So I'm waiting for it, you know, I'm
28:36like, "Okay, I'm curious." And he
28:38his eyes up and he's thinking and he's
28:40thinking and he's thinking and he looks
28:41me back in the eye and he goes,
28:43"Okay, we can both be Jesus Christ." And
28:45he strolls off happily down the hall.
28:47And I'm going, "Those liars. They lied
28:49to me about that. What else did they lie
28:51to me about?" You know, so it was kind
28:53of like Yeah.
28:55you know, now I got access to what's
28:57really happening with these people.
29:00On the field. On the field. Later I find
29:03out that 75%
29:06of
29:07they did a massive research on this. I
29:09forgot who did it. 75% of what
29:12psychologists publish
29:14can't be replicated.
29:17So Not surprising.
29:19And consequently they're lying.
29:22You know, just like that professor was
29:23doing. This is how you lie with
29:25statistics.
29:26You know, it's publish or perish. And
29:28the higher you get, you got to publish.
29:30And they don't care what they publish.
29:31They publish garbage as long as it gets
29:33published. That's all that they care
29:35care about. So it's like Right. How much
29:37how much else can you not trust of the
29:39of what they're saying?
29:41You know, and you looking back at the
29:43the psychology textbooks like in back of
29:45the abnormal psychology text it was this
29:48guy is quoting this guy who's quoting
29:50this guy who's quoting this guy who's
29:51quoting this guy who's quoting this guy,
29:54you know.
29:55I remember one time scuba diving I I ran
29:57across this little colony of fish in a
29:59big circle.
30:01And they had these little mounds built
30:03of pebbles.
30:04And just their heads would stick out of
30:06the pebbles.
30:07So when their neighbor went to steal a
30:09pebble from somebody else, they would go
30:11and steal their neighbor's pebble and
30:13add it to their pile. And while they
30:15were away robbing their neighbor, some
30:16other fish was robbing their pebble. You
30:19know, and I stood there I was just
30:21fascinated for hours. I burned up a
30:22whole tank of air watching this colony
30:24of of little fish stealing from each
30:26other. And the only ones that were
30:28bringing in any any new information were
30:31the ones on the outskirts. The ones who
30:34would go out into the ocean and find new
30:36pebbles and then bring them to their
30:37nest.
30:38And then they were stolen from.
30:40Okay. They reminded me of these people
30:42in the back of this, you know, abnormal
30:44psychology book where this guy was was
30:47quoting this guy who's quoting this guy
30:49who's quoting this guy who's quoting
30:51this guy. You know, and they were all
30:53acting as if the original guy was was
30:56you know, platinum or something.
30:59And probably none of them had ever even
31:00really been with mentally psychotic
31:03people to study them before, right? Uh
31:04who knows? You know, the majority of the
31:06professors I had didn't.
31:10Yeah.
31:12So
31:14you know, I'm watching these guys.
31:17And I'm noticing with the students that
31:19I had on my caseload is that anytime
31:21they got near succeeding with anything,
31:25they would sabotage themselves. They'd
31:27stop taking their medicines. They'd
31:29they'd go nuts. They'd get in trouble.
31:32And if they went off their meds three
31:33times, then we had to discharge them
31:35because at back then medicine was the
31:38only thing we had. You know, there was
31:40nothing else in in traditional
31:42psychotherapy was like
31:44shooting a a rhino in the
31:46butt with a BB rifle trying to move it
31:48off a road.
31:49You know, all you're doing is irritating
31:51the thing.
31:52It
31:53It didn't work. It just didn't work with
31:55schizophrenics and it didn't work with
31:57most of the patients. You know, it
31:59made them feel better they were being
32:01listened to, but it wasn't getting at
32:03the source of their problem like the
32:05Mace Energy Method does.
32:06So.
32:07Yeah.
32:09So it wasn't working with schizophrenics
32:11at all. You know, you're just wasting
32:13your breath trying to counsel a
32:14schizophrenic.
32:15They were in another world.
32:18Yeah. So uh
32:19you know, I I was wondering like, okay,
32:22what are these voices? You know, I
32:24noticed that the the patients who were
32:26listening to their voices the most were
32:28the ones that were getting in trouble
32:30the most.
32:31So I I I felt like, okay, there's a
32:33correlation between the getting in
32:34trouble and them not
32:37them listening to the voices or not
32:38taking their medications.
32:42Um so I I was curious and I started
32:44asking other staff, what are these
32:46voices? What are they saying?
32:48Nobody know, nobody cared.
32:50You know, the psychiatrist would just
32:52say, they're hallucinations. There
32:53wasn't the least bit of curiosity. There
32:55were hundreds of staff there. None of
32:57them were curious about the voices
32:59except me.
33:01So I started asking these guys about
33:04what their voices were saying.
33:06But you know, they don't call them
33:07paranoid schizophrenics for nothing.
33:09They're paranoid.
33:10You know, you start asking them about
33:12the voices right away the defenses go
33:14up. You know, so
33:16and it didn't help that my job in part
33:18was turning them into the psychiatrist
33:20when they started getting crazy.
33:23Okay.
33:24So I had I had some mountains that I had
33:26to get around to get to what was really
33:28happening.
33:30Um so I would learn tidbit by tidbit.
33:33You know, it would be one patient would
33:35tell me a little bit, another patient
33:36would tell me another little bit. It was
33:38It was like gathering pebbles, you know.
33:41Just like those fish.
33:43And and
33:44it it was like um
33:47Okay, I I knew this much about them. And
33:49then the next person that was
33:51schizophrenic I'd talk to I'd say, well,
33:53okay, I know this much about the voices,
33:54what else can you tell me?
33:56So they would see eventually that I was
33:58really interested in hearing
34:00understanding what these things were.
34:02You know, I didn't I wasn't like the
34:03other guys who were going, yeah, well,
34:05you're just nuts. Just take your
34:06medicine and shut up. You know, I wanted
34:08to know what it was about.
34:10And uh
34:11finally I collected enough information
34:13to where I could go in there and say,
34:15okay, I know this much about them. I go,
34:17no, I knew this I know this I know this
34:18I know this I know this. What else can
34:20you tell me?
34:21And that was far past the point already
34:24that any of the other staff had gotten.
34:26You know, so
34:28they knew I was different. That, you
34:29know, okay, he knows something about
34:31these things.
34:33And there was one time where I was
34:34asking him a question and the voice came
34:36up to the patient and he said, shut up.
34:39Don't tell him anything more. He already
34:40knows too much. And the patient told me
34:43that. And I went, wow. They're
34:45conscious.
34:45>> Wow.
34:46You know, they're conscious. They're
34:48They're aware.
34:49And
34:50that was that was weird.
34:52So that the first pattern I saw was that
34:54they were
34:55consistently and completely negative.
34:59Mhm.
35:01They were ins- derogatory, insulting,
35:04abusive, destructive. They They
35:07lied about everything.
35:10Um
35:11and and
35:13the first thing I thought was like,
35:14okay.
35:17What keeps them consistently negative?
35:20You know, if they were like any other
35:21hallucination, they'd be all over the
35:23place. And I'd seen number of
35:24hallucinations in the time I'd been
35:25working.
35:27You know, they didn't look like this.
35:29You know, they were all over the place.
35:31They were just random. You can't predict
35:33them. You don't know what's coming up
35:34next.
35:35Uh this was consistently negative. They
35:38were always negative. They were saying,
35:39you're rotten, you're no good, you're
35:41ugly, you're worthless, you're stupid.
35:42Every negative thing you could think of
35:45they were telling these patients.
35:47Right. And they were upsetting them
35:50constantly. They were always
35:52aggravating. They were always making
35:54them mad.
35:56And I went, well, that's interesting.
35:58You know,
35:59why
36:00why aren't they
36:03you know,
36:05why aren't they not random like
36:07hallucinations? Why are they
36:08consistently negative? And then the
36:10question was, what holds them on such a
36:12negative path? How come they're not
36:14random? Something's holding them to a
36:16non-random pattern.
36:18Yeah. So the problem is if they're
36:21running patterns, they can't be
36:23hallucinations. That doesn't make any
36:24sense. Hallucinations don't run
36:26patterns. Something causes something to
36:28run patterns.
36:30You know? Mhm.
36:32So right away I I started suspecting
36:34everything I was taught in in graduate
36:37school and undergraduate and
36:38and you know, all the in-service
36:40training I'd taken, all that stuff. The
36:42next thing I noticed that they were
36:44anti-religious.
36:46You know, one patient came to me one day
36:48and he said the voices were attacking me
36:50bad last night and I I repeated the 23rd
36:53Psalm
36:54and they reacted like worms thrown on a
36:57hot frying pan. They couldn't stand it.
36:59They were screaming and hollering and
37:01they they they just didn't like it.
37:04You know, so uh
37:05I started asking other patients, you
37:07know,
37:08what happens if you read the Bible? The
37:10voices got louder.
37:12You know, what happens if you go to
37:13church? The voices would get louder.
37:16So I started passing out the 23rd Psalm
37:18and you know, I was I believed in God. I
37:21believed in Jesus, but I wasn't no
37:23Bible thumper. I wasn't, you know, I
37:25just kind of was a little bit raised
37:27like that.
37:29And um
37:32you know, so I started passing out the
37:3423rd Psalm to my patients and saying,
37:37okay, repeat this when the voices come
37:39and then come back to me next week. And
37:41I'll I'll set you an appointment and
37:42tell me what happened.
37:44Consistently the voices hated it.
37:47Yeah. So then I started asking them all,
37:50you know, what happens when you go to
37:51church?
37:52You know, so all the patients on my
37:53caseload and all the new ones coming in,
37:56what happens when you went to church?
37:58Turned out if the voices were very weak
38:00and they went to church, the voices
38:02would shut up when they were in church.
38:04They just stayed quiet. If they were of
38:06moderate strength, they would get louder
38:08and they would try to drown out what the
38:10preacher was saying.
38:12You know, they'd be in the background,
38:13oh, he's stupid, he's crazy. You know,
38:16one of the things they kept saying was
38:18Jesus couldn't even save himself. What
38:19makes him you think he's going to save
38:21you?
38:22These are the voices saying this.
38:25You know, to these patients.
38:27So they would they would if the voices
38:29were very strong, they would they would
38:31drive the guy out of the church. He'd
38:33get up and he would run out of the
38:35church like he was driven out.
38:37>> out of our church. Yeah.
38:38>> Used to happen. Yeah, that's them.
38:42Wow. Jerry, did you say that you are
38:44familiar with the Law of One material?
38:47Yeah, I've read it several times.
38:49Okay, then you understand the the whole
38:51polarity situation, right? Um the Law of
38:54One lays out that the the negative
38:55polarity requires to graduate, rather,
38:57to the negative polarity, to become a
38:59negatively polarized entity, you have to
39:02reach a gradient of 95% or greater
39:05service to self. Yeah. Yes. Orientation.
39:08And that's what sparked in my mind when
39:09you said that they were consistently
39:11negative. And then it switches over.
39:13>> be. Then it switches over. The polarity
39:16changes to positive, which is
39:17interesting, isn't it?
39:19Oh, yeah. You mean at sixth density?
39:21Yeah, once they Yeah, once they get that
39:23certain percentage,
39:25then they can't go negative anymore.
39:26They have to reverse and go positive.
39:28>> Right.
39:29Right, cuz it's not a true path. It's a
39:31path of illusion as they call it.
39:32>> Yes. Yeah.
39:34So they they were anti-
39:36>> why they show up as consistently
39:38negative because they have to shut off
39:40the heart chakra to make that 95%
39:43and so they can't have almost any
39:45positivity left in them to sustain that
39:47negative polarity cuz it is so
39:49antithetical to reality. Like reality is
39:51good. God's universe is good and loving
39:53and you know, it's based in oneness, but
39:55the negative path is based on the
39:57illusion of separateness. So it has to
39:59be a very much like a private psychosis
40:01that again they're when they possess a
40:03human, they're trying to suck them into
40:05that psychosis with them to become
40:07negatively polarized and so it makes
40:08sense that they want to keep triggering
40:10them to fear and anger so they can feed
40:12off those negative emotions. Yes, and
40:15then and it it's they foster and create
40:17that negative emotion.
40:19So Yes.
40:20>> what's so tricky about them? We're all
40:22hearing voices in our head all the time.
40:24All right.
40:25Psychiatry, psychology, social work
40:27don't ever ask about where they come
40:29from.
40:30You just assume that they're you.
40:32Okay? So I did a I did an experiment
40:35once um
40:36I was I was wondering
40:38this was several years after a um
40:41uh I started working at the state
40:43hospital. And I had never heard voices
40:46to the best of my knowledge.
40:48But I was wondering what what did they
40:50sound like, you know? So one day I
40:53prayed, you know, I prayed I said, "God,
40:55you know, let me hear these things. You
40:57know, I just like to hear what they're
40:59like just once."
41:01And uh nothing happened for you know, 2
41:033 weeks.
41:04Careful what you wish for, huh?
41:07Well,
41:08then one day it did happen.
41:10So it was like after work at what I'd do
41:12is I'd go go swimming. I lived on a lake
41:15in in Georgia, you know, and I'd come
41:17back and it was like, "Okay, it's been a
41:19you know, 8 hours on the mental hospital
41:21and the on the wards dealing with these
41:22crazy guys and it's like, "Oh man, You
41:25need to decompress after a while, man.
41:26>> decompress, you know? So I would swim to
41:28decompress.
41:29And I was already a certified scuba
41:32diver by then.
41:33Um
41:35I I took a a year of
41:38a semester of skin diving and a semester
41:40of scuba diving. So you had to take skin
41:41diving before you could take scuba
41:43diving at Temple University.
41:45So I was already a certified diver. I
41:47already had a lot of time underwater. I
41:49was comfortable in the water.
41:52Took off in the lake and I'm swimming
41:53and I was a good swimmer.
41:55And I kind of balanced my air
41:58intake with the amount of energy I was
42:00going and I I was cutting through the
42:01water for a long period of time.
42:03And it was like uh it was getting late
42:05in the afternoon.
42:07And then then I'm I got tired and I I
42:09kind of looked up and I'm going, "Whoa,
42:11you know, I was way far out in the in
42:13the water in the lake."
42:15And uh
42:16I went,
42:18"Well, I'm too far to get I'm too far to
42:19get back. I can't I'm too tired to get
42:21back." So they had what they called the
42:24um
42:24survival float where you put your arms
42:26behind your your your back
42:28and you just float like a dead man. You
42:30know, your legs are hanging under the
42:32water, your face is in the water, your
42:33back's out of the water and you're not
42:35expending any energy.
42:37You know, you're just floating.
42:39But when you run out of air, you got to
42:40put your head up and you got to blow the
42:42air out and then you start sinking
42:45immediately. And you now you have to
42:47refill your lungs before you go under
42:49again so you can pop back up and then
42:51you float for a while until you're out
42:52of air again and then you do it over
42:54again. Requires very little energy. You
42:56can do it for days if you had to.
42:58You know, and the water that day was
43:00bath warm.
43:01The the surface was just smooth as
43:04glass.
43:05Warm water.
43:07You know, very pleasant.
43:09And so I go into the the survival float
43:12thing.
43:13And then uh
43:15uh
43:16You know, I knew I was far from the
43:17shore. I knew I was too tired to get
43:19back. And then these thoughts come
43:20through my head and it goes like uh
43:23um you're too far from the shore to to
43:25get back. You can't You can't make it
43:27now. I'm I already knew that. I already
43:29acknowledged that to myself.
43:31Then another thought comes up and it's
43:33starting to get dark, you know, if the
43:35sun goes down, you're going to get
43:36disoriented, you won't be able to find
43:38the shore. That was a new one to me.
43:40And then the third one is like,
43:42"You're going to drown."
43:44And I'm like, "What? I'm going to what?"
43:46That That wasn't That wasn't my thought.
43:49It didn't come from me. I wasn't the
43:50least bit worried about it. I'd been in
43:52a lot more dangerous situations than in
43:54the middle of the lake floating, you
43:55know?
43:56It was uh
43:58So
43:59when I when I go down, okay, so I let
44:02out the air and you'd sink down maybe 2
44:043 ft and then you'd pop back up again.
44:07Okay?
44:08So when I came up,
44:10here's this this
44:12thought coming in my head. It's like,
44:14"You were heading for the bottom.
44:16You were too far from the shore to make
44:18it back safely. You're too tired and the
44:20sun's going down and you're going to
44:22drown."
44:23And I'm like,
44:24"What is this thing?" I knew it wasn't
44:26me,
44:27you know?
44:28And it was like uh so I said, "Okay."
44:32So the next time I went down, I let air
44:34out.
44:35So I sunk
44:36step further. And I was on my way down.
44:38I'd have to equalize the pressure in my
44:40ears as I went down.
44:42And I kept sinking and then and I hit
44:44what what they called the crush depth.
44:45So my lungs
44:47the pressure of the water collapsed my
44:48lungs and you sink like a rock at that
44:50point because you no longer have
44:51buoyancy. It
44:53So I started hitting down pretty quick
44:55and I was kind of surprised by how fast
44:57I was sinking and considering this
44:59weirdness that was going on in my head,
45:01I went, "Well, okay, I better go to the
45:03surface."
45:04And even before I got there, I knew what
45:06it was. It was the crush depth. I'd hit
45:08it. So I got back up and here's this
45:10thing again. It comes in. "Okay, it's
45:13getting late. You're too tired to make
45:14it to the shore and you're panicking now
45:17and you're going to drown." And I'm
45:18like,
45:19"What the hell is this thing?"
45:21You know, so I go down again and this
45:24time I let out more air. I sink, you
45:26know,
45:26all the way down and then I feel this
45:28cold
45:29cold just coldness coming up my legs.
45:32And I'm like, "Whoa." And I shot to the
45:34surface again.
45:35But even before I got there, I knew it
45:37was a thermal cline. It's a layer of
45:38cold water that usually lays above on
45:41the on the floor of the lake.
45:43Um
45:44And I I knew what it was. I got up to
45:45the top and here it comes again.
45:47"You know, uh you're too far from the
45:49shore. That's the sun's going down, you
45:51know, and you're panicking and you're
45:53going to drown." And
45:55"What is this thing?"
45:57You know, so I go down again, let out
45:58the air. I sink down. I go through the
46:01thermal cline. So it was it was above
46:03the bottom of the lake. It was still
46:05about maybe 15 ft above the bottom of
46:08the lake.
46:09So um I go through the thermal cline and
46:13and sink through it and there's warm
46:14water under the thermal cline which was
46:16surprised me. Okay?
46:18And then my feet stick in the in the
46:21muck and I I could feel it coming up my
46:23leg but I
46:24it startled me. And that there this was
46:27so weird, I shot to the surface again.
46:30And and
46:31come break the surface and it here it
46:34goes again with that same thing and this
46:36time it says, "And there's a motorboat
46:38coming right at you."
46:40And it's going to grind you to pieces
46:41cuz they can't see you. It's dark by
46:43now. Okay?
46:45So I I look over and and I didn't hear a
46:47motorboat underwater. You can usually
46:49hear sound for miles underwater. I mean,
46:51it travels underwater much better than
46:53it does in the air.
46:54I didn't hear anything.
46:56So you know, I look around and here's
46:57the green light of this motorboat coming
47:00in my direction.
47:01So I went, "Well, I don't want to go
47:03down now. I better keep an eye on it."
47:05And here's this thing saying, "They
47:07can't see you." which was true.
47:09"And it's coming right at you." which
47:10was true. So here's this truism. It's
47:12like what it was like a yes
47:14psychological yes set.
47:16You know, it's like a
47:18vacuum cleaner salesman comes to your
47:20house and goes, "Hey, look how good this
47:22thing works. Look how they pick up all
47:23this dirt. Look how quiet it is. And
47:25isn't it quiet?" And and and look what
47:27it does here. And
47:28it does all these things, doesn't it? It
47:30does that. Yeah, yeah, it does all those
47:31things, you know? Would you You'd like
47:33to buy it, right?" Yeah, they want you
47:35to say yes.
47:36So here's this thing running a yes set
47:38on me trying to drown me.
47:41I'm trying to drown myself. That doesn't
47:42make any sense. You know, why would I
47:44run a yes set on myself? I'm watching
47:46this motorboat and it's it's coming at
47:48me and I'm like, "Okay, if I need to
47:49dive under the motorboat, I can do that.
47:51I've done it before,
47:53you know, scuba diving. I had to hug the
47:54bottom as a boat went over. And if I
47:56needed to, I could do it again. I didn't
47:58want to, but I could."
48:00So I'm watching it and it it comes by
48:02maybe 30 ft away and I watch it pass and
48:06and I'm not paying attention to the
48:08wake. I'm just looking at it like,
48:10"Well, that was close and they didn't
48:11see me."
48:13And I
48:14as I'm taking a breath of of air in, I
48:17took a a
48:18mouthful of water.
48:20And I'm I'm taking a breath. I didn't
48:21notice the wake and it just washes over
48:24me as I'm taking a breath of air. So I
48:26had to spit it out and I start coughing
48:27and spitting up the water I took in. And
48:30this thing jumps right in there. It
48:31goes, "Yeah, yeah, you're you're
48:33drowning. You're drowning." And I'm
48:34like, "What the
48:36heck is this thing?"
48:38So
48:39you know, I sink back down again. I go
48:41go through the thermal cline. My feet
48:43stick in the mud and I'm laying on the
48:45bottom like I'm dead. And I'm just my my
48:48knuckles are floating 6 in above the
48:50water. By now it's pitch black out. It's
48:52dark under the water. There's no light
48:55and I'm a little bit scared because I
48:57didn't know what the devil this thing
48:59was.
49:00And uh I didn't figure it out till a lot
49:03later either.
49:04And uh
49:06All that it was, I mean, it was bath
49:08warm water.
49:09There was no feeling
49:11because my feet were stuck in this soft
49:13mud
49:15there was no feeling cuz the water was
49:16warm. There was no sight because it was
49:18dark. There was no sound
49:21because the motorboat had gone by.
49:24And here I am at the bottom of the lake
49:26with all my senses turned off.
49:29And all that was there was was I was
49:31aware that I was aware.
49:34And that was like a profound discovery.
49:36It's like, that's what's there
49:39underneath all these senses feeding you
49:42with garbage. You know, "Hey, look here.
49:44Look there. You know what? Watch this.
49:46Watch the TV. Listen to the news. Here's
49:48the traffic." And you know, all these
49:49things that are distracting you. That's
49:51who you really are.
49:53You are just awareness.
49:55You know, and this is a This is a car.
49:57Yeah, this is your You travel. This is
49:59your space suit.
50:01Here.
50:02So,
50:03now I
50:04I knew what they were like.
50:05You know, and that thing didn't sound
50:08like, "Hey, I'm the voice. You know, I'm
50:11the demon."
50:12Sounded just like all the thousands of
50:14thoughts that went through my head on a
50:16regular day. There was no difference in
50:18the tone or the intuition or the
50:20intonation.
50:21You know, it was the same thing. It
50:23sounded just like all my other thoughts.
50:25You know, but what these things are is
50:28they're energetic.
50:30Okay?
50:31That's why MACE is an energetic
50:33psychotherapy. So, these things are
50:34energy.
50:35They can put these thoughts in your
50:37head, and they sound just like the
50:40thousands of other thoughts that go
50:42through your head on a regular day. They
50:44can put thoughts in, "Hey, you can't do
50:46this." Or, "You're not smart enough."
50:49Or, "You're stupid." The biggest one
50:51that I've seen in my in my practice is,
50:54"You're worthless." Something happened
50:56when you were a kid. Your mom yelled at
50:58you. You got beat or something. You
50:59decided you were worthless, and they're
51:01carrying that around for the rest of
51:03their lives until we can get rid of it.
51:06It's programmed in there.
51:08And these things feed off of that
51:09negative stuff.
51:11You know, so they can go in there. They
51:14can put any rotten thought that you can
51:16imagine into your mind. And some of them
51:18are so startling that you know they
51:20don't come from you.
51:22Okay?
51:23So, you have to be aware that these
51:25things are putting negative thoughts
51:27into your brain all the time. So,
51:29there's
51:29thoughts of doubt. There's thoughts of
51:31fear. There's thoughts of guilt. There's
51:33thoughts of worthlessness.
51:35You know, every negative you can imagine
51:37that's coming in from them. But, it
51:39sounds just like your regular thoughts.
51:43There's no "Hey, we're the demons." You
51:45know?
51:47And if you believe that,
51:49then you're done.
51:51Yeah.
51:52Yeah. Jerry, there's something
51:54interesting you're touching on here. We
51:55study a lot of the early Nazarene
51:57writings, knowing that Jesus came from
51:59the Nazarene sect. It's Jesus the
52:01Nazarene.
52:02And there's this there's a
52:04collection of writings called the
52:05Clementine writings. Maybe you're aware
52:07of them. And there's certain Nazarene
52:09texts that some of them go back to the
52:11first century, like the Ascent of James
52:12and the Travels of Peter.
52:14But, one of the letters in there is
52:16called the Epistle of Clement to James.
52:19And I want to share my screen and read
52:20this cuz it actually says exactly what
52:22you're describing. And this is again an
52:24almost 2,000-year-old text. But, this is
52:27supposed to supposed to be Clement
52:29speaking here.
52:30And this is part of their demonology
52:31section where they say, "There is
52:34therefore a measure of the works of
52:35faith, which if it be perfect, drives
52:38all dark forces perfectly from the soul.
52:41But, if it has any defect, something on
52:43the part of the demon still remains in
52:45that portion of the soul harboring
52:46infidelity.
52:48For if it remains in any quarter, when
52:50it gets an opportunity, it suggests
52:53inharmonious thoughts to one's mind.
52:56Not knowing their origin, one might
52:58believe their suggestions as if they
53:00were the thoughts of their own souls."
53:02That's exactly right.
53:04The Gnostics say the same thing.
53:06The Gnostics say the same thing. They
53:08call them Archons.
53:09>> Yeah.
53:10You know? Yeah. So, they hit they hit us
53:12all.
53:12You know, they Nobody's exempt from
53:14these things. Schizophrenics just get
53:17hit a lot more and a lot uh more
53:20consistently than than the rest of us.
53:23You know? But, you got to keep in mind,
53:25you know,
53:26where thoughts come from.
53:28You know?
53:29Any negative thought that comes into
53:31your head comes from the dark side.
53:33You know, your your your spirit your
53:35brain is like a radio receiver.
53:38You know, it doesn't create the
53:39thoughts. You know, if if you brought a
53:40radio back 200 years ago or you brought
53:43it back to the Roman Empire, and you
53:45hear somebody speaking out of the radio,
53:47and they start taking the radio apart to
53:49look for who's in there,
53:51there's nobody there.
53:53You know? It's the same thing with your
53:55your
53:57your brain.
53:58There's nobody there.
54:00We know the fruits of the of the Holy
54:03Spirit, you know, joy, peace,
54:06charity, love.
54:08So, if if a voice is planting hatred or
54:11judgment, fear, anxiety, it's, you know,
54:15HaSatan, the adversarial forces of the
54:18universe. And Jerry, your story is so
54:20interesting because the voice tried to
54:22get you to
54:24to essentially kill yourself. Yeah. And
54:27I've seen this with my best friend who
54:29passed away. And I have two other
54:31friends who had nearly killed
54:34themselves. These are very
54:36rational reasonable happy people. And it
54:40was in positions that were they were
54:42particularly
54:44at risk where they were either at the
54:46top of a high building or they were on
54:48the water Yeah.
54:50when these voices kicked in. And it's
54:52just really it's, you know, it's kind of
54:54scary, but it seems to me like these
54:57forces their agenda is to harvest your
55:01negative energy for one. They want you
55:03in a fearful scared state, and then they
55:05feed off that energy. That's exactly
55:07right. And then two, they get I guess a
55:11ton of glory in the negative kingdom if
55:14they get beautiful souls that have great
55:18purpose or great potential for God's
55:19kingdom. If they get those souls to take
55:22themselves out, it's like hitting the
55:24jackpot
55:25>> Yeah, yeah. Especially preachers. If
55:26they can take down a preacher,
55:29you know?
55:30And and like this
55:32this guy in the in the PhD program, he
55:34was he was used to be a preacher.
55:37He wasn't anymore. Here he is teaching
55:39us how to lie with statistics. But,
55:41yeah, they foster and
55:43they foster and create negative emotion.
55:45You know? So, what they're doing to us
55:47is what we do to to cows. I mean, they
55:50let the cow out in the field in the
55:51pasture. It eats grass. Produces milk.
55:54Farmer isolates it, and then milks it,
55:56and then turns it back out to the
55:57pasture.
55:59We're not the top of the the What do you
56:01call it? The feeding link. We're not the
56:03the
56:05the top. What do they call it? The
56:07>> chain.
56:08>> The food chain. We're not the top of the
56:10food chain.
56:11You know, they're feeding on all of us.
56:13Every negative thought that comes into
56:14your mind that upsets you, every
56:17television show you watch that upsets
56:19you, murder mystery shows, they're
56:21they're feeding on the people who are
56:23watching those things. Horror movies,
56:25murder mysteries. You know, like on what
56:28do they have? NBC? They have
56:30these investigative murders that they're
56:33people are sitting there What? They're
56:34feeding off of that stuff. You know, war
56:36movies, murder mysteries, uh
56:39violence
56:40>> violence, uh
56:42They they feed off all that. And you
56:44look what's on television. It's full of
56:46it.
56:47You know, by the time a kid gets to
56:49teenage, he's watched
56:50you know, thousands of murders on TV and
56:53saying, "Hey, this is what you do when
56:55you get angry. You get a gun and you go
56:57shoot somebody." And then they go try to
56:58take away your guns.
57:00Right. So, Jerry, do you think that
57:03these forces will
57:05almost collaborate with souls or human
57:09beings that have demonstrated a kind of
57:11evil inclination, like the powers that
57:14be, the people in Big Pharma, the
57:15military-industrial complex, uh
57:18Hollywood? They they understand that
57:21they can find a person who essentially
57:25is has an inclination for this polarity.
57:28And then they're like, they could do a
57:29lot. They could spread a lot of fear.
57:31They could start wars. They could do all
57:33these
57:33>> work together kind of thing. Yeah,
57:35they're collaborating.
57:36>> They're collaborating. You know, matter
57:38of fact, I remember one schizophrenic
57:40gal where her voice wasn't mean enough
57:44to to her. So,
57:46they there's a hierarchy of them
57:49on their side. So, the boss of that one
57:52voice removed him and put a meaner one
57:55in there because he wasn't mean enough.
57:56>> Wow. Yeah.
57:59Yeah, so there's a there's a
58:01there's a hierarchy. Uh there was one
58:04time you know, I was working with uh
58:07uh
58:09I I think this was somebody in the in
58:11when I was working in the one of the
58:13psychiatric hospitals. The last 10 years
58:15of what I you know, what I did was did
58:17psychiatric crisis in the emergency
58:19rooms. You know, deciding, "Okay, well,
58:21what do we do with this guy? We let him
58:22go. We give him meds. We admit him." You
58:25know, they they just wanted him out of
58:26the ERs because the doctors didn't know
58:28what to do with them. They had no idea
58:30how to treat mental illness. They didn't
58:31know to understand. And neither do the
58:33psychiatrists. They just drug it. You
58:35know, they just drug it.
58:37Um
58:40But,
58:42I'd gotten rid of
58:43two of the voices.
58:46And
58:48that was all the guy said he had. And
58:51they were they were gone. And then
58:53a few minutes later, he said another
58:56voice has come. I said, "Where did that
58:58one come from?" He said, "That's their
58:59boss."
59:01You know?
59:02And he said their boss was pissed.
59:07You know?
59:08Wow.
59:09>> So,
59:10Yeah, so what they do is they foster and
59:12create negative emotion. That's what
59:14they feed off of. That's their food.
59:16You know, so they're starting wars all
59:18over the planet. They're the robberies
59:21that
59:22the the government is doing now. You
59:23look at all the robberies and the theft
59:25and the fraud that's causing
59:28harm to people who need it.
59:31You know? So, that's what they do. They
59:33foster and create negative emotion and
59:35then they feed off it.
59:37And and they energetically drain their
59:39victims. One thing I noticed was that
59:41the schizophrenics who were hearing
59:43voices
59:44um
59:45after the voices left, they didn't have
59:47any energy left. Some of them said, "I
59:49have
59:50I was so drained I couldn't get up to
59:51come to the group this morning."
59:53Okay?
59:54So, there there was a one-to-one
59:55correlation between the voices attacking
59:57them and their energy level going down
1:00:00to nothing.
1:00:01Okay?
1:00:02So, what I did is a a study one day. Uh
1:00:05just a simple one to 10 asking these
1:00:08schizophrenics, "How much energy did you
1:00:10have before the voices attacked you? And
1:00:12one to 10, how much do you have after
1:00:14the voices attacked you?"
1:00:16And they had significantly more energy
1:00:19before than after. And we ran an
1:00:21analysis of variance on it and that was
1:00:23statistically significant.
1:00:26So, they're feeding off of all of us.
1:00:29You know? Every negative thought you
1:00:31have, every upset you have, every
1:00:35negative vibration you put out, they're
1:00:38feeding off of it.
1:00:40Yeah.
1:00:41Wow. I mean, it's such a powerful
1:00:43spiritual lesson, isn't it? That
1:00:45the only way we can really save the
1:00:47world or the only place we can save the
1:00:49world begins in our own mind
1:00:51by ceasing to give attention to negative
1:00:54thoughts and energies in our mind and
1:00:56forgiving and loving and having
1:00:58compassion because we're taking more of
1:01:00that negative energy out of the
1:01:01collective consciousness or at least
1:01:03we're not contributing to adding more of
1:01:05it. And if we if we want to
1:01:08vanquish the powers of evil that control
1:01:10this planet, the first place to start is
1:01:12to make sure there's no evil happening
1:01:13in your own mind, right? And I think
1:01:15when it comes to this conversation of
1:01:17the demonic and negative entities,
1:01:20that's something that people don't
1:01:21typically think about because they think
1:01:23it it has to start with some kind of
1:01:25opiate drug that opens you up or a
1:01:27massive trauma
1:01:29>> that's what the freaking mafia got you
1:01:31believing. Oh, everything's drug,
1:01:33everything's physical. You know, the
1:01:36they don't know what the cause of mental
1:01:38illness is.
1:01:40They They don't even know what the
1:01:42chemical balance of the brain should be.
1:01:45That's one of the first things I noticed
1:01:46when I started working with
1:01:47psychiatrist. I go into the
1:01:50psychiatrist's office with my client and
1:01:53they'd ask him a few questions, 15, 20
1:01:55minutes, and then they'd start him on a
1:01:56drug.
1:01:58There was no lab test, there was no EKG,
1:02:01EEG, there was no kind of objective
1:02:03test.
1:02:04But they're telling these patients they
1:02:05have a chemical brain imbalance, but
1:02:08there's no baseline. It doesn't exist.
1:02:11And I asked them about that. I said,
1:02:12"You know, you're giving these guys
1:02:14drugs for a chemical brain imbalance and
1:02:16and you're just kind of picking them out
1:02:18of whatever the air, whatever you think.
1:02:20And and there's no baseline. How do you
1:02:22know what's out of balance
1:02:24or by how much?"
1:02:25And they said, "Oh, the the
1:02:29pharmaceutical industry tells us all
1:02:31about that stuff. We just We just do
1:02:33kind of what they say."
1:02:34>> The overlords told us.
1:02:35>> The overlords told them, you know.
1:02:39There was no test for a chemical brain
1:02:41imbalance. It did not exist. And here
1:02:44they are putting it out in public. They
1:02:46got the whole world convinced that
1:02:48schizophrenia and mental illness is due
1:02:50to some kind of physical chemical brain
1:02:52imbalance that they're fixing with their
1:02:54toxic, expensive drugs. What they're
1:02:57doing is just turning these guys into
1:02:58zombies. It's like "Oh, yeah.
1:03:01I don't feel it anymore.
1:03:03And the voices don't bother me too much
1:03:05either now."
1:03:08That's not freedom.
1:03:09I mean, it kind of sounds like Jerry,
1:03:11you're you're saying something without
1:03:12saying it, which is if we look at the
1:03:14farming the pharmacy industry itself or
1:03:17the medical industry here in the West,
1:03:19it functions just like a negative entity
1:03:21functions, right? Feeding off of
1:03:22victims. I mean, they literally create
1:03:25these kind of fake um psychiatric
1:03:27standards and medical standards so that
1:03:29they can prescribe drugs Right.
1:03:31>> at infinitum because they're never going
1:03:33to heal the patient, they're just going
1:03:34to keep siphoning their life until they
1:03:35die with all the drugs they're having to
1:03:37pay for. So, I mean, to me it seems like
1:03:40the pharmacy model today is just a
1:03:43fractal of the demonic itself in that
1:03:45sense.
1:03:45>> Well, yeah, especially with psychiatry.
1:03:48You know, so you you you look at um
1:03:52you know, in 2023, 49,316
1:03:56Americans killed themselves. And there
1:03:58were 1.5 million suicide attempts.
1:04:02This is We have more psychiatrists, we
1:04:04got more psychologists, we got more
1:04:06social workers
1:04:08More drugs.
1:04:08>> and more drugs than any other time on
1:04:11the planet. And look what's happening.
1:04:13The society is getting sicker. They're
1:04:15not getting any better.
1:04:17You know, that's why I like the MACE
1:04:18energy method. That that particular it's
1:04:20a cutting-edge psychotherapy that
1:04:21actually goes after the programming that
1:04:24you picked up somewhere along the line
1:04:26that's telling you that you're
1:04:28worthless. And it like when you're done,
1:04:30it's gone. It's not there anymore.
1:04:32The suicide rate has increased by 30.3%
1:04:35in the past 20 years.
1:04:37Yikes. We're not getting any better.
1:04:40You know, this is an epidemic
1:04:41>> according to that. Yes. Suicide is the
1:04:44second leading cause of death for the
1:04:46ages 10 to 34 and the 11th leading cause
1:04:49of death in the United States.
1:04:52According to the Journal of the American
1:04:53Medical Association, the suicide rate
1:04:56for psychiatrists
1:04:58is 5.9 times that of the general
1:05:00population.
1:05:02So, suicide the psychiatrists are
1:05:04killing themselves at almost the same
1:05:07rate as schizophrenics are. And these
1:05:10are the people running the freaking
1:05:12system.
1:05:13Oh my god.
1:05:14>> gosh.
1:05:15Wow. That's so sad. If you had to give
1:05:17these people a report card, it would be
1:05:19an F minus. Nobody's getting any better.
1:05:23They're making They're making 11 billion
1:05:26dollars a year selling any psychotic
1:05:28drugs worldwide right now. Not million,
1:05:31billion.
1:05:33And they're making 7.4
1:05:36billion selling any depressants in the
1:05:40United States alone. 7.4 billion
1:05:43dollars. These drugs aren't curing
1:05:45anything.
1:05:47No. You know? Well, why would they
1:05:49change their system if they're making
1:05:50that much money? They won't.
1:05:52And they won't look at anything I'm
1:05:53saying either. You know, you could say,
1:05:56"Hey, look at look at these patterns." I
1:05:58published them, they're on my website.
1:06:00Take a look, you'll see for yourselves.
1:06:02Not interested. We'll keep our money
1:06:04>> Yeah, yeah. There's There's no uh double
1:06:07bind uh
1:06:08uh experimental
1:06:10things to to prove anything, you know,
1:06:12there's uh
1:06:14you know,
1:06:15it's nuts. This is why we always say on
1:06:17this podcast
1:06:19that taking back your health is one of
1:06:23the greatest possible things you could
1:06:25do for the collective.
1:06:27Unplugging from this mental and physical
1:06:29health matrix that so many people are
1:06:31dependent on with the fast food and the
1:06:33pharmaceuticals and just unplugging and
1:06:35really taking sovereignty and
1:06:39and investing in your mental and
1:06:40physical health via nutrition, exercise,
1:06:44and some of these tools we're going to
1:06:45get into for the remainder of the
1:06:47podcast,
1:06:48you can overcome
1:06:50this this darkness 100% and I would
1:06:54really love for us to discuss the good
1:06:55news because it's very it could be dark
1:06:58and upsetting. You know, this is This is
1:07:00serious business, but there is good news
1:07:03because while there are demons,
1:07:05there are also the most beautiful
1:07:09angelic and benevolent forces imaginable
1:07:12in the universe.
1:07:14So, we always have to remember that. And
1:07:16and God God is the true power in the
1:07:18universe and
1:07:20that can never be threatened. What is
1:07:23true and good ultimately can never be
1:07:25threatened as God has all power. So,
1:07:27Swedenborg says you've got two guardian
1:07:29angels at least two guardian angels and
1:07:31two demons assigned to you.
1:07:33So, it's just like the cartoons when you
1:07:35were a kid. See the the demons and the
1:07:37angels talking to one another? That's
1:07:38what's actually going on.
1:07:41You know? And like the old Native
1:07:43American said, you know, you've got two
1:07:45wolves on either side that you the one
1:07:48that you feed gets gets the strongest.
1:07:51So, these voices
1:07:54they run a
1:07:55a whole series of patterns. So, I'm
1:07:56going to run through them real quick.
1:07:58They get louder after sunset.
1:08:01You know, schizophrenics don't like when
1:08:03the sun goes down. The voices get
1:08:05stronger.
1:08:06They get strongest between 3:00 and 4:00
1:08:08in the morning.
1:08:09You know?
1:08:10They don't want the patient to sleep.
1:08:12They want to wake them up, keep them
1:08:14awake because they can't resist when
1:08:16when they don't have any sleep. It's
1:08:18hard for them to resist the voices.
1:08:21They get louder when ignored. I remember
1:08:22one one psychiatrist I was in the
1:08:25the office with my client with him
1:08:27and he goes the patient is complaining,
1:08:29"Well, I you know, I'm taking the meds.
1:08:31Uh I can still hear the voices." So, he
1:08:34goes, "Okay, well, I'll increase the
1:08:35drugs."
1:08:36So, the the patients learn not to
1:08:38complain about their voices to the
1:08:40psychiatrist because all they do is
1:08:41increase the voi- the drugs. And then
1:08:43they turn them into more zombies and
1:08:45they hate that feeling anyway. The side
1:08:47effects of these drugs are terrible.
1:08:49They're absolutely terrible. You know?
1:08:52So, uh
1:08:54he said, "Well, we just ignore them,
1:08:55they're hallucinations." So, I brought
1:08:57that guy back in a week later and I said
1:08:59uh
1:09:00"Hey, remember I was in Dr. So-and-so's
1:09:02office with you when he told you to
1:09:03ignore the voices?" I I asked him. I
1:09:05said, "How'd that go for you?"
1:09:07He said, "It didn't work at all. You
1:09:08know, they got louder."
1:09:11And uh so so I started asking other
1:09:12patients, "What happens when you try to
1:09:14ignore the voices?"
1:09:16They get louder. You can't ignore them.
1:09:19You know, you have to kind of
1:09:20acknowledge them. You know, you tell
1:09:22them, "You're okay, you're full of crap,
1:09:24I hear you." And then just let them flow
1:09:25through.
1:09:27Okay?
1:09:28Or
1:09:29uh another thing that the Gnostics say
1:09:32is is like when you hear
1:09:34a a voice, a negative thought, you just
1:09:37go
1:09:38"I see you."
1:09:40You know, cuz they don't like to be
1:09:42seen.
1:09:43They want to operate in silence. They
1:09:45want to operate in secret without you
1:09:47knowing it.
1:09:48You know? Yep. So you look at what's
1:09:50going on in your head and you're hearing
1:09:54thousands of your your voice the voice
1:09:56that you you're used to in your head is
1:09:58thousands of thoughts a day.
1:10:00But who's listening to those thoughts?
1:10:04That's the real you. That's the thing I
1:10:06ran into at the bottom of the lake.
1:10:08Your attention.
1:10:10And it's it's silent. It's watching.
1:10:12It's listening.
1:10:14Okay?
1:10:16That's who you are. It's not all this
1:10:18other garbage. You know, the rest of
1:10:20that is your ego.
1:10:22So the quieter you can get it
1:10:25to just be in the present. Just stay
1:10:27present because that's who you are.
1:10:30You know, you're present.
1:10:32You know? All this other stuff is
1:10:33distractions. It keeps you from from
1:10:36being who you really are.
1:10:38Okay?
1:10:39So the voices they foster
1:10:41self-destructive behavior.
1:10:43They foster isolation. They want the
1:10:45person to be alone
1:10:47Mhm. in their room. So
1:10:49a lot of parents I've dealt with over
1:10:51the years that the the schizophrenic
1:10:54son or daughter drives them crazy.
1:10:55They're absolutely mad. You know,
1:10:58pushes all their buttons, triggers them,
1:11:00causes turmoil and disruption all the
1:11:02time. And they finally go get Yeah, get
1:11:04out of here. Go lock yourself in your
1:11:06room.
1:11:07Stay there.
1:11:08And then they sit there and they listen
1:11:09to the voices all day long. That's the
1:11:11worst thing for it to happen because
1:11:14that the voices are taking more and more
1:11:16control.
1:11:17You know?
1:11:18So
1:11:19a lot of these patients realize that
1:11:21those voices aren't who they are.
1:11:25You know?
1:11:26Um uh
1:11:27there's a lot of others who don't know
1:11:29what they are.
1:11:30You know? And if you believe what
1:11:32psychiatry says
1:11:34they're you.
1:11:36So they're giving him the wrong
1:11:38information. They are not you. They are
1:11:41not the patient. And they are not the
1:11:43result of a broken brain
1:11:45and some chemical imbalance. It's a
1:11:47freaking lie and they've taught that to
1:11:49the entire world. And they're poisoning
1:11:51the world with all these psychiatric
1:11:53drugs that are turning people into
1:11:55zombies.
1:11:56That's demonic thing of its own.
1:11:58>> the doctors literally want them to
1:12:00believe the same things the demon wants
1:12:02them to believe.
1:12:03This is your voice. You're the problem.
1:12:06You're just crazy.
1:12:07Yeah, you're crazy. You're stupid.
1:12:09You're out of control.
1:12:10Uh the only thing you can do is take
1:12:12these toxic drugs.
1:12:14Mhm. Yeah, keep taking those drugs.
1:12:15>> Keep taking those drugs.
1:12:16>> I'm sure you I'm sure you know, Jerry,
1:12:18in the what '50s they had the frontal
1:12:20lobotomy procedure for a while.
1:12:22>> of those guys at the state hospital.
1:12:24Wow. I'll never forget it.
1:12:26Yep. Yep.
1:12:28You know, that was done well before my
1:12:30my time. You know, they were still
1:12:31giving shock treatments then these bad
1:12:33nasty shock treatments.
1:12:35But yeah, I I I remember my reaction to
1:12:37him. I I was carrying on a conversation
1:12:39with him. And after uh
1:12:42you know, he told me about the lobotomy.
1:12:44And after I I walked away, I went he
1:12:46he's just not quite human.
1:12:49That was my thought. You know, he's just
1:12:51not quite human. I couldn't put my
1:12:53finger on it, but it he he wasn't human
1:12:55anymore. He wasn't like a full
1:12:57functioning human.
1:12:58Yeah. You know, and uh Well, of course
1:13:00they they outlawed that procedure after
1:13:03a while as being inhumane, but then they
1:13:05just switched to something that's far
1:13:07more profitable than that procedure was,
1:13:09which is hey, we can basically give
1:13:10people a frontal lobotomy every day in
1:13:13the form of these drugs, which they pay
1:13:14for every day over and over, but it'll
1:13:16look more humane and less cruel. And I
1:13:18think it's only a matter of time that we
1:13:20will look back on the kind of
1:13:21psychiatric drugs we're putting these
1:13:23people on just like we look back at the
1:13:25frontal lobotomy as this horrible thing
1:13:27that how did people ever sign off on
1:13:29this? It's so inhumane. But it's like
1:13:31we're doing that now and almost in a
1:13:32worse way cuz it's over and over again
1:13:34every day in the form of drugs.
1:13:36>> and and they're using it for other stuff
1:13:38now, too.
1:13:39You know, the kid the kid's throwing
1:13:40tantrums. Oh, yeah, give him an
1:13:42antipsychotic drug. That'll knock him
1:13:43out. You know? So like drugs is the
1:13:45answer to everything, huh?
1:13:46>> Drugs is the answer to everything.
1:13:48Matter of fact uh
1:13:50I don't know where my
1:13:51my uh freaking I had my clipboard with
1:13:54all that stuff on it. But you know, they
1:13:56had uh something called they
1:13:59the DSM of theirs they
1:14:02it it's the diagnostic classification
1:14:05manual with all these mental illnesses
1:14:06in it.
1:14:08It I think in the 1950s it had like 75
1:14:12diagnoses in it.
1:14:14And then 10 years later it had
1:14:16165 or something like that. Now it's got
1:14:20almost 300.
1:14:22These characters are making up these
1:14:24mental illnesses. They make them up.
1:14:27And along with the mental illness is a
1:14:29charge category.
1:14:31A charge for you know, so you when you
1:14:33put in a charge to the insurance
1:14:34companies
1:14:36right there, right in the DSM.
1:14:38It's a money making thing. So you know,
1:14:41I I heard one report that they um
1:14:44they meet like once once every 3 years
1:14:462/3 of the psychologists
1:14:49and psychiatrists involved
1:14:53with making up these diagnoses
1:14:56So they sit there and they go, "Okay,
1:14:57hey, I got a new I got a new mental
1:14:59illness. The latest one is caffeine
1:15:01disorder. So if you drink too much
1:15:03coffee, you're disordered."
1:15:05I need drugs. Okay, cool. Yeah,
1:15:07drugs. The disorder What was the other
1:15:09disorder? It was uh
1:15:11some other fruity thing they came up
1:15:13with.
1:15:17Yeah, it's these Oh, uh sibling
1:15:20relational disorder. So if two kids are
1:15:22fighting with each other, it's a
1:15:23disorder.
1:15:25You know, it's it's it's a uh
1:15:26They just make them up so they can
1:15:28charge money. They and they
1:15:30whatever drug they think they can come
1:15:31up with to treat this stuff
1:15:34then then they charge a fortune for it.
1:15:36You know, until just recently when Trump
1:15:38said, "You will not charge US citizens
1:15:40any more than you're charging, you know,
1:15:42the highest paying foreign person, you
1:15:45know, over there."
1:15:46But you know, I'm in Tucson, Arizona.
1:15:49You know, for a patient that I had here
1:15:53it would cost $800
1:15:56for them to stay sane for a month.
1:15:59You know, going for $250 to the
1:16:01psychiatrist to prescribe these
1:16:03medications.
1:16:05And then going to the the pharmacy you
1:16:08know, like $700 for a month's worth. You
1:16:10go across the border to Mexico to one of
1:16:13their pharmacies, they got the same
1:16:14drugs over there for $75 a month. And
1:16:18you it's legal to bring them across the
1:16:20border because the freaking
1:16:22psychiatrists and the and mental ins-
1:16:25They may they paid off Congress to make
1:16:27it illegal to bring those drugs back
1:16:29across the border.
1:16:31You know, they can confiscate them from
1:16:33you and you can get in trouble for
1:16:35trafficking drugs or something.
1:16:37You know, they got it all tied up. I
1:16:39tell you Yeah. they've had cure for
1:16:41cancer now for for decades. The
1:16:43pharmaceutical industry will not allow
1:16:46it out. They're making too much money
1:16:48off of people, you know, their drugs and
1:16:50their treatments for that. Matter of
1:16:52fact, just a couple of weeks ago Trump
1:16:54came out with the med bed things.
1:16:56They've had these med beds out since the
1:16:58'60s. They're not allowed to give them
1:17:00to the general public.
1:17:02So Trump says, "I'd like to give them to
1:17:03the general public." And he put he put
1:17:06it out and it was an advertisement on X
1:17:09where he was advertising these med beds.
1:17:11He said, "We're going to med beds. It's
1:17:12going to be a new medical system."
1:17:14You know, these med beds can can grow
1:17:16arms. They can grow, you know,
1:17:19uh
1:17:20limbs if you they can cure all kinds of
1:17:22illnesses.
1:17:23He never said another word about it
1:17:24after he put it out. The pharmaceutical
1:17:26industry shut him up.
1:17:29They can't have that. They can't have
1:17:31that. They they make money off of
1:17:34treating symptoms, not curing anything.
1:17:38Okay? And they poison us in the first
1:17:40place via the agricultural system. It's
1:17:42all a big loop just getting people sick,
1:17:46low consciousness, and Yeah, and those
1:17:49those chemtrails they were spraying in
1:17:50the sky until their uh
1:17:53uh USA
1:17:55full crap got defunded. They were
1:17:57spraying Tucson almost every day. Yeah.
1:18:00You know, and when Trump got in they
1:18:01were they were double pre- Every day the
1:18:04sky was coated with those things.
1:18:06It was barium and aluminum. It's toxic
1:18:08to people, animals, and plants.
1:18:10So these things I'm going to really
1:18:12quickly go through these things. They
1:18:13foster isolation. They demand the
1:18:16attention of their victims.
1:18:18They they will not be ignored.
1:18:20They maneuver for increased control over
1:18:22their victims.
1:18:24You know, they will take as much control
1:18:25as they can get. And with that control
1:18:28they have the victim do stupid crazy
1:18:29things to get them in trouble
1:18:31that
1:18:32generate more negative emotion which
1:18:35they feed off of.
1:18:36So these things are parasites and that's
1:18:38the last thing they want the patient to
1:18:40know.
1:18:41So you know, if you want to upset a
1:18:43psychiatric patient, tell them, "Hey,
1:18:44these things are are parasites." The
1:18:47voices hate that. They don't want them
1:18:49to know that they're parasites. So if if
1:18:51you had a leech on you, you know, you
1:18:53wouldn't just sit there and do nothing
1:18:55about it.
1:18:56You know, somebody told you, "Hey, that
1:18:57thing's a parasite. You better do
1:18:59something."
1:19:00You know?
1:19:01Same thing with psychiatric patients.
1:19:02Once they see that their energy is being
1:19:04stolen by these things, then they see
1:19:07them as an enemy.
1:19:08Psychiatry doesn't have them as an
1:19:10enemy. They have it as a mental illness
1:19:13that with a broken brain that there's
1:19:15nothing you can do anything about. You
1:19:17know? Mhm. So it's fostering
1:19:19helplessness and hopelessness. It's not
1:19:22giving them any hope.
1:19:24You know, there's no It's not like,
1:19:26"Hey, you've got an enemy you can fight
1:19:27against." It's not like that. That
1:19:29you're helpless, there's no hope less,
1:19:31there's nothing you can do about it. You
1:19:33just have to take our meds, come and see
1:19:34us, pay us a ton of money, and we'll
1:19:36give you these drugs and you'll stay
1:19:38semi-sane for the next month. You know?
1:19:41Yeah. And if they don't have insurance
1:19:43>> going. Keep the illusion going. They
1:19:44don't have insurance, they're out there
1:19:46with their street signs out in the
1:19:47street begging for money or drugs.
1:19:50You know, they closed all the mental
1:19:52hospitals with proposition 13 in the
1:19:55'70s.
1:19:56You know, so all that all the
1:19:58psychiatric uh state hospitals are
1:20:00they're all closed now. So, what do they
1:20:02Where do these guys go? They can't work,
1:20:03they're mentally ill.
1:20:05They don't have any money, they don't
1:20:06have anywhere to live.
1:20:08So, they're living in tents on the
1:20:09streets.
1:20:10You know, they're begging for for
1:20:13handouts, or they're selling drugs and
1:20:15they're robbing people. So, the prison
1:20:17is full of them.
1:20:19You know, there's a huge mentally ill
1:20:22section of the prison now.
1:20:24You know?
1:20:25So, so they have uh complete access to
1:20:28the to the memory. They can insert all
1:20:31kinds of They can go into your brain cuz
1:20:33they're energetic. You know, your
1:20:34thoughts are energy, your your feelings
1:20:36are energy, your
1:20:37uh your spirit is energy, you're an
1:20:39energetic being. All right? These things
1:20:42are energetic also. So, they can go into
1:20:45there and they can put these thoughts in
1:20:47your mind
1:20:48as if they're yours.
1:20:50And it just sounds like they're yours.
1:20:52You know, like, "Oh, you're worthless.
1:20:54You're stupid. This thing happens to
1:20:56you, you're stupid." Or uh some people
1:20:58are laughing across the street and
1:21:00they'll tell you they're laughing at
1:21:01you.
1:21:02You know, ideas of reference they call
1:21:04it in psychology.
1:21:06So,
1:21:07they don't want the victim to tell
1:21:09anybody about their presence. They want
1:21:11them to keep it silent.
1:21:14Keep it to themselves. They tell the
1:21:15patient, "If you tell anybody, they're
1:21:17going to know you're crazy and they're
1:21:19going to lock you up."
1:21:20You know, they're going to fill you full
1:21:21of medications. Unfortunately, that's
1:21:23what happens.
1:21:24You know?
1:21:25Um Yeah. They're consummate liars. You
1:21:27can't You can't believe anything they
1:21:29tell you. Nothing.
1:21:32I had one guy they told him, "If you
1:21:33gouge out your eye, we will disappear
1:21:36and we will never come back."
1:21:38He gouged out his eye. First thing you
1:21:40know, they're they're mocking him and
1:21:42laughing at him saying, "Now you're
1:21:43ugly. Now you're deformed. You're a
1:21:45freak. Everybody's going to avoid you.
1:21:46You're ugly. You really screwed up this
1:21:49time. You believed us. See what a stupid
1:21:51fool you are?" That's what you're
1:21:53dealing with here.
1:21:55Diabolical. They're diabolical. You had
1:21:58a question?
1:21:58>> Yeah.
1:22:00Yeah, well, when you mentioned how when
1:22:02the patients find out that these
1:22:03entities are like parasites feeding off
1:22:06of their energy, they actually want to
1:22:07do something about it and typically will
1:22:09end up, you know, being healed. So, this
1:22:12this is of course hearkening back to
1:22:14what Jesus said of when you know the
1:22:16truth, the truth will set you free. Yes.
1:22:18And so, as we pivot here to wrap up our
1:22:21conversation, I want to talk about more
1:22:23of the the Mace technology you
1:22:24mentioned. But also just general
1:22:26spiritual principles of how people can
1:22:29protect themselves from negative
1:22:30entities and infringement, and what to
1:22:32do if there is already infringement
1:22:34going on.
1:22:35Because um one of the things the Law of
1:22:36One says that I'm sure you remember
1:22:38that's very powerful is that you
1:22:40essentially just have to be true to your
1:22:41own polarity, which is to actually give
1:22:43love and forgiveness to the entity by
1:22:45acknowledging it and saying, "I forgive
1:22:46you." And that actually
1:22:47>> stand them. That actually depolarizes.
1:22:49They They can't stand that. If you can
1:22:51give love to that negative entity, it
1:22:54it's like burning them with a blowtorch.
1:22:56They can't stand it.
1:22:58Yep.
1:22:59>> Yeah, exactly. And that's not easy to do
1:23:01when you're being tormented.
1:23:02>> to do at all.
1:23:04But we had we had an experience of this
1:23:05in Miami a few months ago. James and I
1:23:07were there for an event we did, and we
1:23:09were walking down um by the beach and
1:23:12with a bunch of our friends that were
1:23:13with us, and this um you know, drug
1:23:15addict kind of guy came up. He started
1:23:17screaming at us, and he was accusing
1:23:19people in our group of of I think he was
1:23:21like, "Did you rat me out?" "Did you
1:23:23snitch on me?" Yeah. And he went around
1:23:25and the girls were scared, so you know,
1:23:26the guys we kind of like made a little
1:23:28circle around him.
1:23:30>> He was a
1:23:30>> Yeah, he was a big guy and he was just
1:23:31like following us around. And then he
1:23:33looked at me and he was like, "You
1:23:34snitched on me." And I could tell he was
1:23:36trying to transplant the thought and get
1:23:37me to be fearful. And so, I remembered,
1:23:39you know, the rule of just give them
1:23:41love. And so, I looked at him with
1:23:42genuine love and I just said, "Brother,
1:23:44I would never snitch on you."
1:23:46And he like it it like shocked him out
1:23:48of his state. He just kind of walked on
1:23:49by. Yep. So, that was like a living
1:23:51example of how you interact with these
1:23:52beings is don't get in the fight, don't
1:23:53play on their game, just send them love
1:23:55and forgiveness, and they have to flee.
1:23:57>> They want to set you off.
1:23:59You know? Exactly. The The Mace energy
1:24:01method is a very interesting method.
1:24:03I've I've
1:24:04like you said, I've been on the front
1:24:05lines of mental health for
1:24:07almost a half century now. I've never
1:24:09seen anything work as well as Mace. And
1:24:12there's a spiritual component to it.
1:24:15Okay? Just like with the the Law of One.
1:24:19Okay?
1:24:20It's not brought up in the training,
1:24:23but it's there.
1:24:24So, John Mace, who came up with it, he
1:24:26didn't have to wade through all this
1:24:27psychological brainwashing that I had to
1:24:30before I could get to the truth. I mean,
1:24:32he was a ship captain. He ran freighters
1:24:34back and forth across the oceans. So, he
1:24:37had to know about all these different
1:24:38kinds of energy, electrical energy,
1:24:40magnetic energy, tides and winds and and
1:24:44all all these different kinds of energy
1:24:45to to do that. And he saw that energy
1:24:49moves from negative
1:24:51to positive.
1:24:52Okay? That's the flow. So, in a battery,
1:24:56it moves from negative to positive, goes
1:24:57through the circuit, goes back into the
1:24:59positive pole.
1:25:01Okay?
1:25:02So,
1:25:05what Mace found was that there's
1:25:07something
1:25:08called a negative identity. So, we're
1:25:10talking about
1:25:12not so much spiritual stuff at this
1:25:15point, but say
1:25:18and I run into this all the time. You
1:25:20know, people that are like 65, 70 years
1:25:22old, you're talking to them, something
1:25:25happened to them when they were 6, 7, 10
1:25:27years old, their their mom beat them or
1:25:29or they they were some kind of trauma
1:25:31happened where they decided
1:25:33and the most common one is, "I'm
1:25:35worthless."
1:25:36You know, "Or I'm stupid." Okay? And
1:25:38they go through their life because they
1:25:41made that decision during a trauma.
1:25:43Okay?
1:25:44So, it stays there into in
1:25:47uh what happens in a trauma is that
1:25:49there's a real bad feeling and then
1:25:51there's a decision made as to what
1:25:54relationship you played in that trauma.
1:25:56Okay? And
1:25:58you make that decision during the
1:26:00trauma. So, it's not a good It's not a
1:26:02good decision. You don't make good
1:26:03decisions when you're in a traumatic
1:26:05state. So, they might have made a
1:26:07decision, you know, "I'm worthless." Or
1:26:09"I'm stupid." Or whatever, you know? And
1:26:12it it gets
1:26:14it gets buried in the subconscious mind
1:26:16because it's it's too painful. You know,
1:26:18it's they say
1:26:19time
1:26:20fades all wounds or something, but it
1:26:22doesn't. What the ego does, it comes and
1:26:24gets it and it goes, "Okay, this is this
1:26:26is interfering with your functioning.
1:26:28Let me handle this." It takes it, it
1:26:29throws it up into the subconscious, and
1:26:32then it locks it down.
1:26:34But it's still alive.
1:26:36All right? It's still acting. It's It's
1:26:38like a computer virus, but it's a mind
1:26:40virus. It's negative energy.
1:26:43It's stuck there. And what happens is if
1:26:46anybody similar to the person who caused
1:26:49that trauma shows up in their
1:26:51psychological fear, that thing goes off
1:26:54like a landmine. So, it's very specific
1:26:57as to what triggers it. You know, it's
1:26:59like, "Oh, that person always pushes my
1:27:02buttons." So, it's like a button.
1:27:04So, it's sitting there. It takes a lot
1:27:06of energy to keep it out of conscious
1:27:08awareness.
1:27:09Okay?
1:27:10So,
1:27:12but it it leaks out in other ways. So,
1:27:14when somebody shows up that's similar,
1:27:16that thing goes off and it tells the
1:27:18person either attack them, or run from
1:27:20them, or avoid them. So, this is like
1:27:22the person you hate. They keep coming up
1:27:25over and over and over and over and over
1:27:26again. No matter where you go, you can
1:27:28go from here to China
1:27:31and one of these guys will show up just
1:27:33like
1:27:34It's this negative identity projecting
1:27:36out and saying, "It's not me, it's
1:27:38them." You can see them out there. You
1:27:40They Look at them. You don't like them.
1:27:42You don't like how they talk. You don't
1:27:43like anything about them. You know, they
1:27:45don't even have to open their mouth and
1:27:46you don't like them half the time. You
1:27:48know, you can just feel it. Okay?
1:27:50So, that thing sits up there and it's
1:27:52it's causing this trigger, and every
1:27:55time it triggers, it gets stronger.
1:27:57So, it's negative energy that just keeps
1:28:00building up.
1:28:01Okay?
1:28:02So, what Mace found is that if you can
1:28:04build a bridge
1:28:06to the spirit via the attention,
1:28:10you can drain this thing
1:28:13with your attention,
1:28:15and it the spirit will take that
1:28:17negative energy and it will transform it
1:28:19to positive energy.
1:28:21Okay?
1:28:22So, it's it's the same kind of principle
1:28:25that like if you get a brand new car
1:28:27battery, you charge it up full, and then
1:28:28you drain it down to nothing where
1:28:30there's no electricity in it at all,
1:28:32that thing's a boat anchor. You can't
1:28:34ever charge it up again.
1:28:36It's garbage.
1:28:38So, it's the same thing with this. You
1:28:40know, Mace found that there's a way to
1:28:42hook that negative energy up to the
1:28:44spirit, and the spirit will take it and
1:28:46drain it. After that, it no longer
1:28:48exists. So, the person can have the
1:28:50worst trauma you'd think about, and
1:28:53after the after the session, they go,
1:28:55"Okay, put yourself back there again. Go
1:28:57back there right now. How do you feel
1:28:59about it now?" And they go, "I remember
1:29:01it, but there's no emotional charge to
1:29:03it. It's gone."
1:29:04>> Amazing. Wow. It's amazing.
1:29:06>> It's the only psychotherapy that I've
1:29:08seen that has a spiritual component.
1:29:12And and I've been through them all. I
1:29:13mean, the undergraduate, graduate, PhD,
1:29:17all these different psychological
1:29:19theories, they're all trash compared to
1:29:20this. And it works fast.
1:29:22>> Yeah. Within an hour, that thing's gone,
1:29:25and it's and they feel more energy, they
1:29:27feel lighter, they feel more grounded,
1:29:29they feel more clearer. I've had guys,
1:29:31you know, say, "Wow, you know, the world
1:29:34looks different. It's a lot clearer.
1:29:35It's a lot more defined, you know?"
1:29:39In an hour.
1:29:40>> And it's permanent. It doesn't go away.
1:29:42Once that thing is gone, it's gone.
1:29:45So the neg- the negative entities
1:29:47obviously aren't happy about this
1:29:49because they've been feeding on that
1:29:51specific trauma for years and years. So
1:29:54do they kind of linger around and or
1:29:56they they just like, "We got to find a
1:29:58new energy source." Well, they it's
1:30:01depends on how strong they are. Okay?
1:30:04And there is there are ways I know to
1:30:05get rid of them temporarily so I can
1:30:07work with people. So what we start doing
1:30:09is draining that negative energy that
1:30:11these things are feeding on.
1:30:13Right? So that weakens these things, and
1:30:15then after a while, we'll we'll go right
1:30:17after them and start draining them.
1:30:20And I think right now we got probably
1:30:22about a 30% rate where
1:30:25they're gone.
1:30:26But, you know, like like the Bible says,
1:30:28you have to fill that gap when they're
1:30:30gone with something positive,
1:30:32otherwise they'll come back with with
1:30:34all their friends. And I've seen that
1:30:36happen over and over and over again. So
1:30:38I'm always telling these people, "Get on
1:30:39a positive spiritual path and stay
1:30:42there."
1:30:43You know?
1:30:44Um I I tell them, "Go read the works of
1:30:47Swedenborg. Go read read the Bible. Go
1:30:49to read Bible stories, you know, do do
1:30:51something, but you've got to fill this
1:30:53this gap." Yeah. I'm trying to remember,
1:30:56Jerry, the exact quote in the Gospels
1:30:58that Jesus gives where he says, "When
1:30:59you drive out a demon from someone, the
1:31:02demon goes into the barren places and
1:31:04finds seven spirits more evil than
1:31:07itself and comes back." So it's talking
1:31:09about the hierarchy that you mentioned
1:31:11of the demonic realm. Everything in the
1:31:12negative polarity, as you know, is
1:31:14hierarchical. It's a top-down system,
1:31:16and everyone's fighting to get to the
1:31:17top. It's always a dog fight for power.
1:31:20And so it makes sense that these
1:31:21entities, if they failed to stay in a
1:31:23host, they'll go get their bosses to
1:31:25come back, like you said, and like Jesus
1:31:27said, and it's very interesting. It
1:31:28sounds like your experience has has
1:31:30shown that that's true, right?
1:31:32>> Yes.
1:31:33Yeah, I remember one guy uh
1:31:35uh he was a prisoner, and he said he I
1:31:38said, "Well, what where did you start
1:31:39hearing the voices?" He said uh "I was
1:31:41driving my motorcycle down the um
1:31:43down the highway. I started hearing
1:31:45them."
1:31:45And uh I started talking to his voices.
1:31:48I carried on conversations with them,
1:31:49you know, and then and uh this one
1:31:51wasn't necessarily evil one.
1:31:53This That voice had died in a motorcycle
1:31:56accident. Okay? And he was floating
1:31:58around free, kind of wondering, "Okay,
1:31:59what do I do now?" And he saw this guy
1:32:01riding his motorcycle down the road, and
1:32:04he jumped into him.
1:32:06Mhm. So he wasn't necessarily a He was
1:32:09just like a lost soul.
1:32:11Yeah. You know? So they're not they're
1:32:13not all evil, but they have no business
1:32:15being there because they interfere with
1:32:17the person's growth and and spiritual
1:32:19progress. Mhm. You know? Yeah. Jerry,
1:32:22can you can you tell the story about
1:32:25alcoholism and bars and how that entire
1:32:29framework? I remember one time I This
1:32:32was in the prison. So in the prison in
1:32:34the in the in the state hospital, I got
1:32:36in trouble for asking patients about
1:32:39their voices. I got pulled into the
1:32:40psychiatrist's office. One of the
1:32:42patients told on me, and his voices
1:32:44didn't like me asking those questions.
1:32:47So I got pulled into the psychiatrist's
1:32:49office, and he said,
1:32:50"You will not ask these patients about
1:32:52their voices anymore. They're
1:32:54hallucinations, and what you're doing is
1:32:56you're reinforcing the hallucinations by
1:32:58asking them about them,
1:33:01and you're making them worse." That's
1:33:03what he told me.
1:33:03>> Crazy gaslighting.
1:33:04>> I knew it was bullcrap at the time. I
1:33:06knew I knew about them. I wasn't making
1:33:08them any worse at all.
1:33:10You know, as a matter of fact, they were
1:33:11waking up and fighting back against
1:33:13them, you know, and now.
1:33:15But that happened twice. So I had to be
1:33:17very careful in the state hospital when
1:33:19I was working there asking questions
1:33:21about the voices. When I got to the
1:33:23psychology department at state prison,
1:33:25that that didn't matter. I mean, it was
1:33:27like the
1:33:29schizophrenic could go up to the warden
1:33:31and say, "Hey, man, the psych's asking
1:33:33me questions about the voices, and I
1:33:34don't like it." You know, and then the
1:33:36warden could go, "Get out of my face,
1:33:38man. Go play in the traffic or
1:33:39something. You know, I got more better
1:33:41things to do than this."
1:33:42You know, but but see, the prison was
1:33:44set up for
1:33:46violence. You know, they were they were
1:33:47prepared for violence. If these guys
1:33:49were going to go off, they were ready
1:33:51for it. You know, so
1:33:53it it was a good place to be picking
1:33:54through the heads of these people,
1:33:56especially when I had a group of them
1:33:58that would tell me what was going on in
1:34:01real time.
1:34:02You know?
1:34:03But the one you're asking about was a he
1:34:05was a Apache
1:34:07uh
1:34:08uh from up north in northern Arizona.
1:34:11And he was a big alcoholic Apache, and
1:34:13he was so violent that
1:34:16they couldn't control him.
1:34:18So they were sending him down to my
1:34:20prison unit, and I was watching him on
1:34:22the computer just barging right through
1:34:24all the usual stops. He didn't stop in
1:34:26classification. He didn't stop anywhere.
1:34:29He just came straight to the unit.
1:34:31And I went, "Well, I was told he was
1:34:33like an evil Indian medicine man."
1:34:37You know? And I'm like, "Okay, I
1:34:38I I want to I want to meet him. I want
1:34:40to see what he's all about."
1:34:43And I I called him in.
1:34:44And uh he came in and and he just hated
1:34:46white people. He just hated I I could
1:34:48feel the hatred rolling off of him.
1:34:51And uh
1:34:52I it the feeling I got is like I you
1:34:55know, I'd rather slit your gut open and
1:34:56spread your guts all over the floor than
1:34:58say another word to you.
1:35:00And I said, "Okay, I'm just telling you
1:35:01I'm your psych. You're on drugs. I'm
1:35:03going to be watching you.
1:35:05Uh call you in once a month, and uh
1:35:08you know, I'll see you next month, all
1:35:09right?" So I went to the head of the uh
1:35:12the Native American gang, and I said,
1:35:15"What's with this guy?" And he just
1:35:16said, "You be careful with him. You be
1:35:18real careful with him."
1:35:19So I was, and then I I
1:35:22I didn't push him too far, but I would
1:35:24ask him questions and try to get a
1:35:26conversation going. Took about 6 months
1:35:29before I could talk to him, really talk
1:35:31to him.
1:35:32And uh he would tell me about,
1:35:34you know, evil spirits chasing him and
1:35:36him casting spells on people and and all
1:35:38this weird stuff.
1:35:40And uh
1:35:41finally I I got to the point I said,
1:35:43"Well, if you can do all that stuff," I
1:35:45said, "why can't you stop drinking?"
1:35:48And he said, "It's because of the
1:35:49spirits of dead alcoholics." He said,
1:35:51"If I go anywhere near a bar with
1:35:53alcohol in me, they just jump me and
1:35:56take over."
1:35:57He said there was a bar in Phoenix where
1:35:59they were piled up so high that they
1:36:01went disappeared up into the atmosphere.
1:36:04He said if he walked anywhere near there
1:36:05with alcohol in him, they would come
1:36:07down, and they would jump in him, and
1:36:08they would take over the drinking.
1:36:10All right?
1:36:11Wow.
1:36:12>> He he said that his girlfriend uh walked
1:36:15out in the traffic
1:36:17while she was
1:36:19drinking, and they were following her.
1:36:20She they led her out into the traffic,
1:36:22and she got hit and killed.
1:36:24And there were other people that I
1:36:26talked to who were alcoholics who uh
1:36:28they said they actually saw these things
1:36:30jumping into people who were drunk
1:36:32enough
1:36:33to let them in.
1:36:35So, you know, basically, they weren't
1:36:38they weren't the only ones drinking.
1:36:40See, these these these alcoholic
1:36:42spirits, they don't call alcohol spirits
1:36:44for nothing.
1:36:45You know?
1:36:46So, when they get drunk enough, these
1:36:48things jump in, and they take over the
1:36:50drinking.
1:36:52Now the guy's not just drinking for
1:36:53himself. There he's drinking for this
1:36:55whole crowd.
1:36:57Right. You know, so many people have
1:36:59addictions, and it's like, you know,
1:37:01I've had addictions before, and it was
1:37:02almost like at points it's like, "I
1:37:04don't want to do this anymore," but
1:37:06something would come over me, and I
1:37:08would just next thing I know I'm doing
1:37:09it. That's what it is.
1:37:11And there's other behavior associated
1:37:14with it, and I think there's spirits
1:37:16that are into drinking and lust and
1:37:19drugs, and they're they're actually
1:37:21getting their fix through different
1:37:23people that they can convince to engage
1:37:26in these various activities.
1:37:28>> Yeah, that's the same way with
1:37:29pornography.
1:37:31You know, I remember once uh psychotic
1:37:33girl I was talking to, her her voices
1:37:35told her
1:37:36that
1:37:37you know, "Hey, I'm having sex with
1:37:39you." And she goes, "You are not." And
1:37:41he said, "Yeah, I am. Every time you
1:37:43masturbate, I'm having sex with you."
1:37:46Oh, wow. So it's these it's these
1:37:48negative entities that are taking over.
1:37:52You know, they they uh Yeah.
1:37:54they get off on that pleasure, they get
1:37:56off on the feeling of numbness. Um
1:37:59they don't want these schizophrenics
1:38:01taking their drugs because it weakens
1:38:03them.
1:38:04You know, they don't have as much
1:38:06control over the person when they're
1:38:08drugged up and they're calm, cuz these
1:38:09things are major tranquilizers.
1:38:12Mhm.
1:38:12>> But uh for the average person, that MACE
1:38:15energy method, it works it works
1:38:17wonders.
1:38:18You know, so
1:38:19you can go to my website and read about
1:38:21it. I got some some videos on it. It's
1:38:23uh jerrymarzinsky.com.
1:38:27Okay?
1:38:28Yeah, we would love to actually support
1:38:30you in that work, Jerry, because um I'm
1:38:32not sure if you have any kind of
1:38:33fundraising going for this uh MACE
1:38:36system, but it sounds like it could be
1:38:37something that would could literally
1:38:39empty psych wards if it was actually
1:38:41standardized as a practice. And so we
1:38:44would love to um
1:38:45you know, contribute to that with your
1:38:46work if that's possible.
1:38:48Well, they they the chief trainer is in
1:38:51Australia.
1:38:52You know, the the best thing we we could
1:38:54do is send people our way. There's
1:38:56there's less than 100 of of us on the
1:38:58planet right now.
1:39:00So I'm I'm trying to send people for
1:39:02training
1:39:03so we we break 100, so it would cuz it's
1:39:06so small right now. And it works better
1:39:09than anything else, so they don't want
1:39:11it out there. They don't want people
1:39:12being cured of mental illnesses. They
1:39:15want to just keep bringing them in and
1:39:17treating them over and over and over,
1:39:19giving them pills, making a fortune off
1:39:21them.
1:39:21>> And Mesa actually gets rid of the
1:39:23problem that they call it causism
1:39:25because it gets rid of the cause.
1:39:28Mhm. Yeah. Wow. Well, I mean, I'm sure
1:39:31that there's so many people listening to
1:39:32this podcast in our audience right now
1:39:34who would love to be of service in that
1:39:36capacity because we all want to be of
1:39:39service on the positive of polarity and
1:39:40that's how we polarize, right? But not
1:39:42everyone knows um what that service is
1:39:44or what they're called to and I feel
1:39:46like there's probably so many people who
1:39:48would gravitate to this kind of work and
1:39:50it would be the most rewarding
1:39:51fulfilling work that they could ever
1:39:53imagine doing and so we definitely want
1:39:55to promote um the work that you're doing
1:39:57with Mace to allow other people to get
1:39:59involved. So, please let us know like
1:40:01how people can get involved with you and
1:40:03we'll put all those links in the show
1:40:04notes below today.
1:40:05Well, I should be on the are they not on
1:40:08the um
1:40:10We have them. Yes.
1:40:11>> Okay. Yeah, I thought I thought
1:40:13they were there.
1:40:14So, it's yeah, jerrymarsinsky.com.
1:40:17Um and if I get overwhelmed, I can refer
1:40:19them to some other therapists and we we
1:40:21work over Zoom. So, you you don't have
1:40:23to go anywhere. We can meet you right in
1:40:25your own living room.
1:40:27And I'm I'm working with people all over
1:40:29the planet right now.
1:40:31You know, I had a girl last week. She
1:40:33she just got out of the psych ward and
1:40:35an hour later the voices were gone.
1:40:39Now, that doesn't happen off the time,
1:40:40but it's it's happening more and more.
1:40:44Yeah.
1:40:44>> They are energy.
1:40:47Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the the demonic only
1:40:49has as much power as we give it in that
1:40:51sense cuz it doesn't have its own power
1:40:53supply. It has to siphon power from
1:40:55others. So, when we stop believing in
1:40:57the illusion, when we tear down the
1:40:58illusion, evil has no power at all and
1:41:00truth is all that exists. Right.
1:41:03And this is what the you know, our
1:41:05podcast is all about the early Christian
1:41:07movement and I'm increasingly realizing
1:41:09that what they were doing was
1:41:11empowering people in spiritual warfare.
1:41:14Like Yeshua was a master at spiritual
1:41:17warfare. James the Just, his brother.
1:41:20And they they had these teachings that
1:41:22really can help protect individuals. The
1:41:24greatest commandment, loving God, loving
1:41:26your neighbor. If that is your state of
1:41:28consciousness and your heart is just set
1:41:31on God, God, I want to love you. I want
1:41:33to worship you and I'm going to
1:41:35demonstrate that love through treating
1:41:37all people, all beings with kindness and
1:41:39compassion and service. Like demons are
1:41:42not going to really want to be around
1:41:45that energy.
1:41:45>> Yeah. That's your protection.
1:41:48And and James the Just at the Council of
1:41:50Jerusalem gave four edicts for what it
1:41:53means to be a Christian. You know, kind
1:41:56of an introductory level and this these
1:41:58were teachings about spiritual warfare.
1:42:00No sexual immorality because you can
1:42:02pick things up through those practices
1:42:05and then
1:42:06the other three teachings were about not
1:42:08mistreating animals because demonic
1:42:11forces really like the suffering and
1:42:13pain uh of animals or even animal
1:42:17sacrifice to idols. That was a big deal
1:42:20in that time.
1:42:21Because if you sacrifice an animal to an
1:42:23idol, the demon then can go into that
1:42:26flesh and occupy humans through that
1:42:28means.
1:42:29So, the whole early Christian movement,
1:42:32they really prioritized their spiritual
1:42:34hygiene and health through these
1:42:36practices and we're I think we're all
1:42:38called to do that today as well.
1:42:41Yeah, they certainly don't like uh
1:42:42Christians.
1:42:44Um and you know, but like I said, the
1:42:46Christian church doesn't talk about
1:42:48these things.
1:42:49You know, there's spiritual warfare
1:42:51going on around them all the time.
1:42:53You know, it's hitting it's hitting all
1:42:55of us and they don't bring these things
1:42:57up.
1:42:58You know, they they just don't talk
1:42:59about it. It's like uh yeah, oh no, we
1:43:01don't want to go there. You know,
1:43:03they're the things that are causing the
1:43:04problems.
1:43:06You know, it's these negative
1:43:07identities, these negative energies. So,
1:43:09they you know, a negative entity is
1:43:12different from a negative identity. But
1:43:14they feed off of the negative
1:43:16identities.
1:43:17You know, so once you get rid of those,
1:43:19their food source goes down.
1:43:22Mhm. Well, and and Jerry, like how often
1:43:24is religion predicated on negative
1:43:26identities? The guilt, the shame, the
1:43:28condemnation. You're a sinner. You're
1:43:30totally depraved. All you can do is
1:43:32confess Jesus cuz you're born evil. I
1:43:34mean, that is the most negative identity
1:43:35you can give somebody.
1:43:36>> That's that's that's that's that's
1:43:39demonic stuff. It's it's like
1:43:41they have infiltrated the Bible in a
1:43:44number of places.
1:43:46And that's that's among the ones you you
1:43:47look at Yeah, I just got them almost
1:43:50reading the Old Testament and it's like,
1:43:52yeah, you got to sacrifice. You got to
1:43:54you got to pain. You got to do this. You
1:43:56got to
1:43:57uh you know, give all the it was
1:43:59it was like
1:44:00>> appease the angry God. appease the angry
1:44:02God, the jealous God that says there are
1:44:05no other gods before me.
1:44:06>> Wow.
1:44:08That's that's not the God that Gnostics
1:44:10believe in.
1:44:12Mhm. Well, well, we're really happy to
1:44:15hear you say that because we we are the
1:44:17rare Christian or you know, Jesus
1:44:20following podcast that believes that the
1:44:22Bible's been tampered with and we so get
1:44:24told we're going to hell all the time
1:44:26because we take a strong position. No,
1:44:28the God of our God is a God of pure love
1:44:32and and righteousness and compassion and
1:44:35wisdom, not a deity that demands blood
1:44:37sacrifices and genocide and slavery. We
1:44:41we do not accept that. Yes, good for
1:44:43you. And and one of the worst that
1:44:44they've done is you were born in sin.
1:44:46You're a sinner from the from the
1:44:48get-go.
1:44:49You know, you're bad from the get-go.
1:44:52>> Yeah.
1:44:53You know, you're bad from the get-go.
1:44:54You you know, Yeah.
1:44:56We say any God that would demand a blood
1:44:59ritual sacrifice is not the supreme lord
1:45:01of the universe. Right.
1:45:02>> But a satanic entity disguising themself
1:45:06as a God that needs to be worshipped.
1:45:08And
1:45:09blood magic is the premier practice of
1:45:12all forms of occultism and Satanism and
1:45:14dark magic. So, if if we really believe
1:45:17that God of the universe needs the same
1:45:19thing that demons and Lucifer needs,
1:45:21right? In these black magic practices, I
1:45:24think we have a pretty distorted view of
1:45:25God. Yeah, I'm glad you guys came
1:45:27around. I mean, cuz a lot of them
1:45:29haven't.
1:45:30You know, they they think oh yeah, this
1:45:33God created this world and Gnostics are
1:45:35saying no, it's not the God of the of
1:45:37the you know, it's not the real God that
1:45:39created this universe. It's it's the
1:45:44the demiurge they call it. Right.
1:45:47that broke away from the real God.
1:45:50So, it's kind of like what the Bible
1:45:52says, you know, Lucifer came down to
1:45:53Earth. He broke away. He came down to
1:45:55Earth and
1:45:56this is his domain.
1:45:58You know, you look at all the all the
1:46:00suffering on this planet right now. The
1:46:02millions of people who've died in the
1:46:04Ukraine war.
1:46:06You know, and how many of them are now
1:46:07maimed and and um mothers without their
1:46:11kids, fathers no fathers. I mean, the
1:46:13the mass massive amount of suffering
1:46:15that's going on right now.
1:46:18Mhm.
1:46:19And it's all feeding the demonic realm.
1:46:22So, that's why the alleviation of
1:46:23suffering is the greatest task for a
1:46:26true follower of Christ because
1:46:28suffering feeds the negative polarity
1:46:30which perpetuates the negative polarity.
1:46:32Yes, you're not meant to suffer. You
1:46:35weren't brought here to Yeah.
1:46:37You know,
1:46:38and you you look at the reincarnation.
1:46:40They say that's a trap. You know, that
1:46:42to get you coming back here so they can
1:46:44feed off you even more.
1:46:46Right.
1:46:48Yeah, you know, it's funny cuz we
1:46:50I disagree in principle with a lot of
1:46:52Gnosticism, but I actually also see the
1:46:55truth in it from another perspective and
1:46:57so I think like
1:46:59I don't believe that the fundamental
1:47:01nature of matter itself is evil as
1:47:03Gnosticism originally believes, right?
1:47:05But I think there's some truth to that
1:47:07in that the realm of matter is the only
1:47:09realm where evil can operate and
1:47:11flourish. So, it's not that it's
1:47:13inherently evil, but that evil this is
1:47:15the playground of evil, right? And I
1:47:17think that's what the Gnostics may have
1:47:18been trying to get at. And what's
1:47:20interesting is you have Jesus even
1:47:21saying in the Gospel of John, if this is
1:47:24a legitimate quote, he's in this
1:47:25argumentation with the Pharisees in John
1:47:27chapter 8 and they're like, we're of
1:47:29we're of our father Abraham. Who are you
1:47:31to you're not even 50 years old and
1:47:33you're saying it before Abraham? And he
1:47:35says, oh, I tell you the truth, you are
1:47:37of your father, the devil.
1:47:40And
1:47:41I think that's a pretty big indictment
1:47:42from Jesus, right? What do you mean,
1:47:44Jesus? These are practicing Jews who
1:47:46follow the Torah. What do you mean
1:47:48they're of their father, the devil?
1:47:50He he was clearly I think alluding to
1:47:51this idea that the God you think you
1:47:53worship is Satan disguising itself as
1:47:55Yahweh. God would never command you
1:47:57blood sacrifices and genocide and
1:47:58slavery and he was kind of trying to put
1:48:01it to them, right? And so that's a big
1:48:03um wake-up call for Christians today to
1:48:05realize too that maybe we're actually
1:48:07glorifying demonic viewpoints of God
1:48:10because if we're willing to disrespect
1:48:13and denigrate the nature of God to say
1:48:15that God wants murder and bloodshed and
1:48:17violence just to forgive us.
1:48:19Just to preserve a book that humans
1:48:20wrote as being infallible. Like we're
1:48:22willing to cast God's character into the
1:48:24dumpster to preserve inerrancy of the
1:48:26Bible. Like I think that's a pretty
1:48:28warped view of God.
1:48:29>> It's the church.
1:48:31You know, they cast
1:48:31>> Right. They they didn't didn't let a lot
1:48:33of that Gnostic information in because
1:48:35it threatened the church. It threatened
1:48:37the power of the church. If you can get
1:48:39the God yourself,
1:48:41which is what the Gnostics are saying.
1:48:43You you are a fragment of fractal of
1:48:45God.
1:48:46And he's there. He's there all the time.
1:48:49You don't have to go anywhere. He's
1:48:51there. You know, that wipes out the
1:48:53church.
1:48:54You know, you don't have to go through
1:48:55the church. You don't have to
1:48:57you know,
1:48:58do these these uh
1:49:01all these rituals and stuff and and and
1:49:03listen to these sermons in in Latin and
1:49:07all the garbage they go through,
1:49:09you know?
1:49:10He's there. He's He's right there.
1:49:12And we've seen the corruption in the in
1:49:14the Vatican. First of all, they
1:49:16>> Oh, yeah. The early Christians
1:49:18absolutely prioritized simple living and
1:49:21and charity and service. And I was just
1:49:23at the Vatican, everything's adorned in
1:49:25gold. Men in robes and hats like
1:49:28>> Yep. Yep. exalting themselves. And then
1:49:30of course, the biggest uh child
1:49:33trafficking and human trafficking
1:49:36arguably in the world, uh pedophilia,
1:49:39all this stuff. So, I mean, the church
1:49:41the church unfortunately has become And
1:49:44maybe it's always been
1:49:46the the Roman the Roman Empire taking it
1:49:48on. Perhaps it's always been uh demonic
1:49:51inversion of the true faith. Yeah. I I
1:49:54think you're you're right there.
1:49:56You know, you you look at one of those
1:49:58pillars in there and it it's like that
1:50:00thing must be several million dollars
1:50:02for one of those big marble pillars in
1:50:04the
1:50:05the place where Peter is. Yeah.
1:50:08You know.
1:50:09Yeah, would Jesus rather have a pillar
1:50:12or would he rather be feeding starving
1:50:15children?
1:50:16>> Right.
1:50:18You know, there's a glorification
1:50:19>> house into a den of merchandise. Right.
1:50:22Well, Jerry, this has been such a
1:50:24riveting and eye-opening conversation.
1:50:27Thank you so much for not just the work
1:50:29you do in the world, which is obviously
1:50:31exceptionally rare and exceptionally
1:50:33needed, but thank you for coming on our
1:50:35podcast today to have this conversation
1:50:37with us and we'd love to have you back
1:50:38sometime to go a little bit deeper. But
1:50:40um we we'd also love for our audience to
1:50:42get involved with Jerry's work with the
1:50:44M.A.C.E. system. If you feel called to
1:50:46help these I mean, literally what's more
1:50:48the least of these than people in psych
1:50:50wards who are possessed by negative
1:50:52entities? If we can't reach out to love
1:50:54the least of these, then we're not
1:50:55living the gospel of Jesus. So, we want
1:50:57to help support your work and hopefully
1:50:59many people from our audience will as
1:51:00well. So, I again just want to extend
1:51:02our love and gratitude to you today,
1:51:04brother.
1:51:05You know, we've written this book.
1:51:07Sherry Sherry Sweeney and I She was
1:51:09hearing voices as a young woman.
1:51:12So, this exposes psychiatry and it tells
1:51:15how we came to the conclusion
1:51:17that these voices are entities and and
1:51:21not
1:51:23hallucinations.
1:51:24I mean,
1:51:26Yeah, wow. Well, we're going to put a
1:51:27link to that for sure in the show notes
1:51:29below as well. And you guys can check
1:51:30that book out if you want to go deeper
1:51:32into Jerry's work. Um but Jerry, so much
1:51:35gratitude to you for joining us today.
1:51:38James, thank you as well, as always. And
1:51:40thank you all for tuning in to today's
1:51:42episode of the Jesus Way podcast. We
1:51:44hope you feel um empowered with more
1:51:46wisdom and knowledge for how to see and
1:51:49relate to the negative polarity in a way
1:51:51that brings protection and healing to
1:51:54everyone who is potentially suffering
1:51:56from negative entities. I mean, there's
1:51:58people in our lives we know that
1:51:59probably have these negative thought
1:52:01forms. And when we have this knowledge
1:52:03and awareness of what the demonic is,
1:52:05how they operate, now we can go be of
1:52:07service to people in a much uh more
1:52:09impactful way. So, get out there into
1:52:11your world, guys. As always, love God
1:52:14with all your heart, love your neighbor
1:52:15as yourself, and we'll see you back here
1:52:17on the next episode of the Jesus Way
1:52:19podcast.
1:52:21Peace and love.
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