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Death Row Exoneree Ray Krone Speaks About the Death Penalty — Transcript

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0:01[Applause]
0:07[Music]
0:18[Music]
0:21everybody takes back in Pennsylvania so
0:26our
0:29obstacles the challenges of anything
0:31when we are the racers we were builders
0:32Ruperto Rosa we traveled across your
0:35country if you know the people to settle
0:36this batter the obstacles they had to go
0:38through the things they took care of
0:40thrown in and they trust to believe each
0:42other looked out with their families our
0:43friends our neighbors wanted to do the
0:45right thing
1:08and that's where we're going
1:14of the death totally you're saying I
1:17would like to be lied to I can't fix it
1:19they can't be fixed has to wait
1:23and this is a true story it's not meant
1:27to be assessed or if there's some
1:28sentence then it all problems you it has
1:30a happy ending I hear it's really to
1:33start my story of small town south of
1:36estimated weather now some of you may be
1:39from town to take your board you already
1:41got a reputation for Easter last name
1:43everybody do everybody I don't the same
1:46hospital my creditors with to saint
1:48church my great grandparents went to and
1:51I was in the church choir I was in the
1:53Boy Scouts on a peewee football league
1:56baseball I was pretty good in school
1:57graduated top 15% of my 2005 graduation
2:01was 1974 wideness in the US Air Force I
2:04signed up for six years active duty
2:06gustation fest like Texas Mississippi
2:09Georgia mid-may as they like to keep
2:13because they said the odds of Phoenix
2:15Arizona my six years run I got out of
2:18the Phoenix Arizona life and there was
2:20Sonny or there all the time great people
2:22exactly like right here that was a
2:24really a nice time to eat I got a job
2:27and good Postal Service
2:30never been married and I have no
2:32children good job I bought a house my
2:36money was flying spin and I enjoyed
2:37enjoys a Corvette I motorcycles are
2:40based out of our world by boat I also
2:44was still involved with a lot of sports
2:45I
2:46saw all of these Boeing these dark big
2:49fool things and I also found myself at
2:52bars playing [ __ ] that's who sponsored
2:59the owner of a local neighborhood bar
3:01came in on a Sunday morning open I was
3:02the statute had found a door locked
3:04what's going on here why have I managed
3:07to secure the doors right away made its
3:09way over the cash registers check this
3:10cash register there it was spending the
3:12money things appeared to be in there
3:14what security is concerned White's make
3:16bacon to protect intestines waitwait
3:19made his way to his office quick to
3:20searches safety again it was only it
3:23wasn't blocked but again all the things
3:24appeared to be there an order but why
3:26had she secured this and look I'm
3:28looking around this part is that he
3:30knows the bars were stools were stacked
3:32and is cleaned and trying to stay down
3:33here was money laid out
3:35and as extended makes its way around to
3:38the barber that was like magic in the
3:39code
3:42while shadows her socks she was dead
3:45and of course the police recall they
3:47initiated this investigation of the
3:49associative had to be so much newer
3:51somebody had a relationship with her
3:53they call it the co-workers who should
3:55be like who should date who she's been
3:57seeing one of the co-workers mentioned
3:59by me I met down the road about a mile
4:02from there the market actually between
4:03the post office where I worked in my
4:05house it's about one o'clock and that
4:07Saturday a new dog was barking outside I
4:09had a big dog but he did bark much when
4:11he did I paid attention I got up and I
4:13looked out the window there was two men
4:16in suits just report what the car in
4:17front of neighbor's house I went outside
4:19that the dog by that time he's two men
4:21walking up my driveway I said excuse me
4:25can I help you when I said hooray
4:27problems yes never cut you free he said
4:30you know can
4:33it change the man next to go to Paris if
4:37you don't know Kevin Carter from CBS
4:38balance
4:41sheet our stairs
4:44Robert asked me said you don't know her
4:46last name your boyfriend aren't you
4:48that's the note - what's it about
4:50he said you're dating her are chest and
4:52no I'm not date her what's going on here
4:54you open up his jacket pulled out his
4:56badge I'm selling for Maasai detective
4:58the Phoenix Police Department and for me
5:00to death
5:02I
5:04was totally for this part out she was I
5:07did the literally kill he's telling me
5:09she's improving it's that funny house to
5:11ask me questions
5:12first thing I said was you sure the boy
5:14inside he said no we really need do this
5:17down
5:21next three hours Peroni about how long
5:24we've a date where we going dates how
5:26many times she's been to my house all
5:28the while I'm tough oh we never dated i
5:30sear at the bar sometimes you come over
5:31shoot darts with my friends that was
5:33dead during this three hours 1.8 meters
5:37off
5:45all the time well back when you used to
5:47stay there no thought about this
5:49boyfriend/girlfriend spirited heat
5:50honestly give you
5:52another point you can have a piece of
5:54satirical play kind of stuff like that
5:56it's made complement to imagine team I
5:58think bite into this now I think though
6:00it was gone there was no information
6:02being fed to me there was nothing in the
6:03news yet I just wore it I didn't know
6:06her that well I don't know why anybody
6:08would kill her I was
6:12[Music]
6:16the next day I whatever might be able to
6:19post out they I came on my house got out
6:21of a car there was the detect weights
6:22that I'm not sure you make completely
6:24truthful be this term you want to
6:25cooperate
6:26[Music]
6:28I need you to come downtown I need to
6:31live they lose their suspect
6:34his car get it went down that moment
6:36irrigation morning this time when I'm
6:38going to decide that Ruby's managed
6:39where we got me pulled out these tapes
6:41that we get by the way out of search
6:42warrant here and you're gonna provide me
6:44with a blood sample an air sample cast
6:46your teeth now give a little warm up a
6:49little agitated here about this this is
6:51sound a little accuses where I got the
6:52piece of paper I was able to read
6:54altitude it was signed by a judge it
6:56said I was required to do it and at the
6:58bottom it said you had to be out to take
7:00the sail
7:01it's not cooperating
7:03blah greatly to the blood of Mozart I'm
7:06not sure what he's expected to find
7:07David
7:09operated took air samples
7:11taken specific
7:14[Music]
7:49[Music]
7:55[Music]
8:04fifteen years later were wrecked now I'm
8:06still not biting the corn the [ __ ] I'm
8:08still not even fresh happened
8:10I was careful my teeth here they were
8:12poking around my mouth about two hours
8:15[Music]
8:20from a bank okay we said look it's time
8:22to complete started telling truth I know
8:24you didn't want to just be testing on
8:27[Music]
8:32my honor my tailors persons also that I
8:35was proud I was 34 years old
8:39now certainly the US Air Force must have
8:42recognized some kind of
8:44trust
8:55[Music]
8:56there's been a dust even though he's
8:58called me a burger rate was telling me
9:00to confess I came out of my seat I told
9:03her what I thought again when I thought
9:04the investigation why you waste my time
9:06goodbye the first two digits and by the
9:08way you're three hours
9:10[Music]
9:20fifteen minute drive
9:22again I thought that was you
9:25[Music]
9:29December 31st 1991 New Year's Eve
9:33just got out of that bar just done my
9:37date post up just doing it by probably
9:39stepping out of our
9:41reach if you freeze don't move your
9:44other resident look back with the
9:45manhood police officer black and white
9:47cars coming ups lights flashing no stars
9:50flying up guns call a full ride here do
9:52me underground and recipe for Burger
9:54King Avenue section song I
9:56was takin America
9:59[Music]
10:09that's how Steve
10:10[Music]
10:16and you right away out around a whole
10:18lot better play know what I was thinking
10:22about
10:23[Music]
10:25who's deep my daughter I got a big
10:28softball tournament this weekend maybe
10:30beat a pitch
10:32folks I have a student I was not you I
10:37really believe they're out there
10:39continuation of
10:42[Music]
10:48so my friends ever coming to visit me
10:50out a little busted up you get scratched
10:56there can be a danger to place that
10:59phrase a little concerned about me
11:00somebody were returning this in Turkey
11:02to talk to me first thing I want to know
11:04why we thought much is gonna cost
11:05so when you have had about twenty
11:08thousand dollar retainer probably under
11:09sixty eighty thousand dollar expense I
11:12like wait a minute he gives us straight
11:14about making $30,000 I thought the house
11:17seven years ago four thousand dollars
11:19and now supposed to talk about $100,000
11:21to pay you to defend me for somebody to
11:24do I'm gonna get that money back
11:26[Music]
11:29under pragmatic by first off said oh I
11:32don't have that kind of money and said
11:33oh I didn't do anything just walking
11:35straight now though I was able to talk
11:37about family within a few days of my
11:39arrest I told not to worry that wasn't
11:41me this is all the stage of all be
11:43straight down
11:44well given about two months when I
11:46almost got caught on tape with is the
11:48lady came in sent a briefcase down in
11:50the deuce Purcell was graduated from the
11:53public defender's office then she said
11:55their exact word in the german-american
11:58etiquette sexual assault you can expect
12:01me felt good with a little fighting with
12:02people and I went creep what do you mean
12:05about gonna end up doing this huh a hope
12:07man I just started with the phone
12:13I
12:18[Music]
12:20love the coal picked up a briefcase I
12:24never see her again
12:26[Music]
12:32they say the conflict interests say they
12:35were removed from my case they say the
12:37bank's most likely suspect in this case
12:39was the victims ex-husband they had a
12:41daughter together
12:48they told me that they're not going to
12:51get a private attorney mortgage members
12:52in need
12:54somebody cares about me somebody's going
12:56to do some of this about it really
12:58well maybe that attorney
13:02attorney would have done something
13:05[Music]
13:20[Music]
13:24just seven bus at the time I was
13:27arrested opposite of the portland-based
13:28bedroom I
13:30found out at that time why they had to
13:33take that knee biomarker right into that
13:35piece of stars or why they taking those
13:37cast by DT because I wasn't there I
13:39didn't kill her but the prosecution can
13:41have a bite mark expert medical
13:44attention a forensic odontologist
13:48prosecutors who testified before the
13:50body my teeth
13:55those marks happens at time of death and
13:57that baby made from the burger very
14:00impressive and very well-spoken parents
14:03[Music]
14:12DA's office
14:17I
14:18travel that we have days
14:23like the last half a day the defense I
14:25actually took the stand raise my right
14:27hand answer my attorneys questions
14:30across their
14:32Center United for killing into Canada
14:34kodos yes I do you tonight leave CBS I
14:36said what night with a night of murder
14:38course was throwing the knife you killer
14:40cold blood just started tearing into for
14:43the next two hours everything I said was
14:45twist
14:51[Music]
15:01[Music]
15:05you also raised his right hand answer
15:08the question for by turning the key to
15:09prosecute out the process they
15:11understood from their minutes attended
15:12okay for the long time haven't you for
15:15instance waited 12 years we were here
15:17together
15:18he said great poems always been a good
15:20friend of ours dinner times and the
15:22times from the worked out for you got
15:24back to live right now is it kind of
15:27straight up suggest this kind of guy he
15:29is the prosecutor need over space said
15:31you might or would you turn and walk
15:33away to set out best Minister on be
15:36called my friend and liar man who raises
15:38right hand disturb United States Air
15:40Force Band raise right hand that court
15:42of law to testify to tell the truth and
15:44that prosecutors told the jury disregard
15:46any survivors with lot of detectives
15:54the quiddity the sexual saw
16:00[Music]
16:02dr. close she refused to sex I forced
16:04myself ordered a killer something that's
16:07white he said
16:10nevertheless at that time
16:14the guilt phase and then never dismissed
16:17and then the judge Hanson says he faced
16:19about four or five months later had to
16:20go back before that judge it's a little
16:23mini trial is called an aggravated
16:24mediated first marking a great part of a
16:27lot of prostitution for the artist above
16:29norm still operational problem it bears
16:32the deserters detainee into the woman's
16:34life and they argue despite part was the
16:36gratuitous balance of excessive pain and
16:38suffering even innocent depraved apply
16:41for this order president the judgment
16:43that's a great enough for me they've
16:44gotta have at least one aggravating
16:45factor contestants and then a Stephen
16:48Turner for a minute that it may no be to
16:51getting these two lessons resolved to
17:05mitigate something you didn't do
17:13it's what you wanted me to do
17:57behaviors for the
17:59most you're better than all the six
18:01pages of improper walls still more than
18:04from the Trevor
18:19do that and I can tell you this I never
18:22never got a hot day old death row
18:24see they don't let animals monsters and
18:27we're supposed to be working attention
18:28not with all those weapons to be in
18:30there oh no no no that was prepared at a
18:33minimum you are gonna waste away putting
18:36parts and wheeled over to scepter do
18:37they felt like I
18:59got out that cell three times a week
19:02when he went to a fight of his birthday
19:03officer we covered yourself
19:14if you twist and turn from that Officer
19:17make sure you were happy thinking with
19:18your body the closure passed back into
19:21you got arrested
19:22had handcuffs attached to you turn
19:26around they felt was fastened to your
19:28back so you have to move this bar he
19:30motioned the Australis ID security
19:35was definitely freeze and you better do
19:38exactly that don't make any other
19:39goobers because anything else they're
19:41going to construe it as either tinted
19:43escape or Stallman staff that we've got
19:45that built by your waist
19:47you back
19:49at that time when you freeze there they
19:52Pat you down again to make sure you
19:53didn't hide the thing with your body
19:54just got threatened right in front of
19:56you there's 18 inch chain
20:00[Music]
20:05remains to be seen through the sales
20:11counter doesn't have typical squares
20:14fast
20:15hurricane
20:17[Music]
20:23and maybe just maybe I could see an
20:25airplane fly over maybe a park or I'll
20:28come over second window bottom over at
20:30the heart anything
20:51bow strengthen the stories of like Joe
20:54that was starting to shut off by the
20:56choice of challenge in favors
21:01but they became stood by me okay now
21:04we're less if I'm a fact assist by their
21:06Miller's system I started
21:28in
22:00this video how positive clearly match my
22:03teeth
22:07my attorney was fortunately weight was
22:09painted HD objectors in Toronto they
22:11were seen as Devas on the way anything
22:12about this is dated for trout you know
22:14you can't allow this
22:22[Music]
22:36[Music]
22:45so when the Arizona Supreme Court review
22:47this issue that's what first was a
22:50violation cools discovery as the
22:52defendant you have a right to know
22:54whatever's going to be used against you
22:55yeah right
22:57so you prepare your defense I suppose
23:00that's going for certain US Coast I'll
23:02hide in our district they said it wasn't
23:05violation they said the judge was wrong
23:06but just because River stays a mistake
23:09in addition to the urges not be going
23:11back to get a new trial doesn't mean you
23:12walk free so people so we got a
23:14technicality no it doesn't have the two
23:16part the second part is called harvest
23:19revaluation
23:26[Music]
23:28this
23:56time but during those three years I was
23:59on death row they execute people
24:05kill me do me a favor
24:13it's living in El Toro it's living
24:16history some receivers doing deer family
24:18that's he'll kill me on the pump that
24:21has my way out that's my escape
24:28her CV shackleshot did have one handy so
24:31that Dick Cheney to the tables trying to
24:33pick up the phone and talk to my mom
24:34through that and I seen those tears in
24:37her eyes the cheap tuition they knew
24:40that this Buster's wasn't going to go
24:41away like I thought the state of
24:53California
25:07[Music]
25:25friends and peas would get awkward
25:27coming appreciate my eternity experience
25:30eternity you do how things are supposed
25:31to work recognize again of 1 by 2
25:33therefore the police enforcement of
25:35what's given 22 to 25 34 to 36 42 51
25:40there was all kind of gas there are
25:41these other reports he had to go through
25:43the judge off a request and don't turn
25:46over the reports we end up the whole
25:48nother binder full of stuff why the
25:49heuristic stuff was in that second book
25:52my family said about her daughter's copy
25:55of these they said
25:57we asked her dish we had will stack the
26:00pictures are supposedly taking the crime
26:01scene everything's like think it's two
26:03types of coronary though they take
26:05waiting for Thursday Your Honor we even
26:06we repeated this is not all yeah I think
26:08the prosecutor to get the place to turn
26:09them over pending turn them over
26:16oh
26:42[Music]
26:51yeah that's right we know you did
26:54because you sent off the product to this
26:56DNA lab in Colorado
26:58oh yeah that's right no they didn't
27:00already been economy still happen and by
27:03that time in 1996 so you may remember
27:04the oj travels gone there is a man named
27:07dr.
27:16[Music]
27:26drew possibility that it could have been
27:28my DNA from saliva is called manatees to
27:31identify to slide the bite mark that I
27:33suppose made was no way possible could
27:35match me
27:47[Music]
27:56[Music]
28:04[Music]
28:15he stood that jury foreman ignore that
28:19dear maid disregarded thee they don't
28:21let deepest mislead you that's all him
28:23and or this whole trail we know who
28:25committed this horrible murder he sit
28:27right here in the courtroom and he was a
28:29jurors responsible see that justice is
28:31done for him her family
28:33nineteen eighties explained as noted
28:36when this piece was over she's a
28:37waitress it was just transferred here
28:38but a some basketball
28:41Drew's out three half-days
28:49that was the first time I didn't think
28:51anything could happen
28:59and they just said giving him
29:02time to stroke
29:18it's
29:51okay they were just
30:10you do the best you can you're fixing
30:13cars shoveling dirt representing some
30:16kids like when you got somebody's life
30:17in your hands you're certain they do the
30:19best you possibly can you say meathead
30:22movers now for the next two hours he
30:24went over all the peace Evans came out
30:26of that trial corners someone else white
30:28footprints in the kitchen with a bird
30:29with a Bigfoot you haven't been taken
30:31from st. footprints around Kim's bodies
30:33at our floor they used a type of does
30:35the light actually
30:38[Music]
30:43shoot
31:09well sure I've done is he so smart leave
31:12my backbone to actually have committed
31:14this heart of murderous you heart
31:15believe that out here probably cute
31:19he said now if I find that making a
31:22residual doubt that that's being a
31:23factor that means they have a detachment
31:25Dakota not other City
31:31Hey very much
32:01[Music]
32:17care about people in the profession that
32:20can't get insurance anymore so they were
32:29I
32:36[Music]
32:45survived every now and then that's the
32:48in video TV so at least because the DNA
32:50percent these yeah I don't exactly be
32:53one
33:12body 2001 there's no state legislation
33:15to recognize the importance of DNA
33:17testing most states have a limited
33:19window of in the time frame where you
33:21could bring them new evidence after
33:22irritation you got some states it's a
33:24shorter 60 days so maybe a year but if
33:26you don't bring on new members at that
33:27time you can never bring it up
33:29they recognize the DNA has to be
33:31exceptional this is to port is to credit
33:33is to definitive of guilt or innocence
33:36so they passed a law when they out of
33:38the post was called post-conviction
33:39relief DNA testing provided was
33:41previously on tested material that was
33:44probably that had direct bearing on your
33:46is improperly maintained restored my
33:49case we actually
33:51the clothing for the men's bathroom
33:53actually saved the sport 11-piece police
33:55department generals welcome my turn
33:58afraid we didn't look at it took it and
33:59noticed on her pants wonderful inside
34:01were few genes ordered over there was
34:03some kind of stains she'd been stabbed
34:05the back to her clothing it was later
34:07cut off with that time and obviously
34:09with that butcher knife that have
34:11stabbed so hard to her back defendant
34:13late there was a good chance that that
34:14person whoever thought that might have
34:16cut themselves before that pushing back
34:19they had how to hearing to get this DNA
34:22testing go before a judge there even
34:26Jake you said you're honest about goose
34:27chase to the fishing as busy as wasting
34:29the Court's time money convicted twice
34:31in the jurors piers your honor over
34:32where we've done dismiss guilt there's
34:34no meat his testimony
34:39he might want to order the Phoenix
34:42Police Department recently de quit the
34:44DNA lab to do that testing after all
34:47I've been through evening folks the last
34:48people to roll out within touching
34:50things means baseball
34:51unfortunately expires about fashion
34:56but again it turned out of us
35:02to talk to you but it turned out to be a
35:05blessing read this reason alone by that
35:09time -
35:10mm mm - but by that time DNA was being
35:13stored all over the country there's a
35:14data bank only law enforcement agents
35:16had access do you think that effect
35:17could have been connected all over
35:20States it was being seen in Arizona at
35:22that time they were actually worked in
35:23mm DNA in Arizona that okay if you were
35:26convicted of a murder sexual assault and
35:28reparative a blessed day so when that
35:30technician extracted the DNA that it
35:33turned out to be DNA on her pants but it
35:35was the same DNA prepared the meat it
35:37wasn't me prepared the victim wasn't a
35:39victim which was already required by
35:41that court order and I say you go girl
35:43he's this overachiever to crime that
35:45technician simple I've got a few they
35:48never
35:52came back with an extra man who's pretty
35:55certain 10 years since Matt century saw
35:57the child just a few weeks after the
35:59murder a man at the time that there was
36:02no parole for the other sexual offense
36:04four years old he was paroled was mom's
36:06house
36:06was
36:11one of the other ten
36:14the man's name
36:18he's using Marion Indian he had a
36:20problem with drugs alcohol that will be
36:22used you see family go up and out of
36:25park for the session results he denied
36:28being there for he's not agree to my
36:30terms net by investigators national
36:32signing thank you
36:35a very experienced man after some years
36:37in the force
36:38[Music]
36:46because he contended question the
36:47Spanish north also mr. fellows go around
36:50I don't worry very much I have blacked
36:52out I forget argument over the bathroom
36:55beat at the bar where we think
37:01this is tape recorder it's called a
37:04mission you know what's the confession
37:05you didn't say I kill her have you been
37:06at the elements of B so this tape
37:09recording this submission the guilt with
37:10the recent DNA is all statement the
37:11prosecutor sitting a death row so the
37:13breakpoint nobody's innocent here's the
37:15proof
37:16[Music]
37:18he's not going anywhere we know he did
37:20it
37:23[Music]
37:34[Music]
37:51[Music]
37:56of sexual assault by this case with
37:58prison stereo read that's very truth
38:01we'll have a little accident and this is
38:04also very very depressing yourselves
38:06because the next day else announced
38:08about that tons of the art of America
38:10actually what we down with motorcycle
38:11goes called medium yarn classified one
38:14of the five of us with speed art
38:17I was coloring counselor's office your
38:20terms of employment all
38:22night one day
38:24paradise he was active he said what are
38:28you hungry for
38:29[Music]
38:30there's no really what he wants a
38:33seafood next to it be really worried I
38:35said now what the devil are you talking
38:36about
38:37[Music]
38:50you said cooperates all
38:55four hours later folks out there
38:58they up to
39:00try this trick they bought me for senior
39:03years did not everything you do my
39:05family ever said was the truth bonus and
39:08neither
39:11[Music]
39:28constant repair these important
39:32outside the
39:35walls
39:37prestidigitation
39:38[Music]
39:47meters outside talk to me
39:49[Music]
39:57there was another bottle
40:00reported back raises hands mr. crome
40:03given your faith to God just by
40:07[Music]
40:09how justified God leave me
40:13[Music]
40:17I explained on frozen there are leading
40:21for the cameras of my cathode something
40:24shot here okay they're just you know
40:26about
40:29[Music]
40:34now maybe I'm supposed to eat
40:41[Music]
40:46[Music]
41:06what we call some kind of night and stay
41:08behind and come over there people don't
41:10think about that and lastly when she
41:12realized they were all confused or
41:14stunned about as it does costly or carry
41:16on capital case from start to finish to
41:19the bottom up and some people don't know
41:22how
41:22he also drank suburban standards too
41:31so I do travel not much to do speaking
41:33about what happened I help the sister
41:35Helen Prejean us
41:36[Music]
41:48sure
41:50go talk to meditations
41:53animation definitely there's also things
41:55to justice done before work with the
41:58Innocence Project now they could be all
42:00be here and in close I think I was one
42:03of these
42:06we already have our calculations
42:10those difficult times wonder why he put
42:13it on TV series
42:15if I continue zone of entities when you
42:18have those types of download those types
42:19of questions okay I want you to remember
42:21last word there's now
42:27by his tank first year
42:31that baby leaders reasonable discourse
42:34of endeavor
42:37state of course persevere finest and
42:40come out the other side a better person
42:46[Music]
42:59[Applause]

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