Day Trader in the Making: Dux's Traders Podcast Ep 2 — Transcript
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- 0:03hello guys welcome to the second episode
- 0:05of the trader podcast and today i'm here
- 0:08with my assistant jimmy
- 0:10uh so in this episode we got many focus
- 0:12on about experienced trader versus a
- 0:15beginner trader so jimmy has been
- 0:17trading about almost a year now he
- 0:20started with about 27 000 28 000 in his
- 0:23account
- 0:24and as you guys know me i've been
- 0:26trading for about seven to eight years
- 0:28now back in 2016 2017
- 0:33i started with 27 000 and then i turned
- 0:37it into
- 0:39at least
- 0:4010 million dollar i can say the exact
- 0:42number but definitely over eight figures
- 0:45so
- 0:46right here
- 0:47i want you guys to
- 0:49kind of pay attention to
- 0:51his mindset and my mindset so you can
- 0:55take both lessons whenever you are in
- 0:57different trading stages
- 0:59so uh from here i will let jimmy take it
- 1:02and he will share a little bit about his
- 1:04experience uh in the last year of
- 1:06trading
- 1:08all right
- 1:09um
- 1:10my name is jimmy um not a very good day
- 1:12trader that's my first label
- 1:15um as steven mentioned i started trading
- 1:18uh last year last january and
- 1:22it has been a year now
- 1:25at the first couple months it was it was
- 1:28really rough and um i was constantly
- 1:32facing the possibility that i could blow
- 1:34out my accounts
- 1:36any day any day i wake up maybe i'm not
- 1:38thinking straight in the morning
- 1:40or i just woke up late or woke up too
- 1:42early trading in the pre-market
- 1:44um
- 1:45like many other
- 1:47day traders who just started their
- 1:49trading journey
- 1:51i have a lot of misconceptions about
- 1:54trading i always thought well i can
- 1:57it was it was really messy at the
- 1:58beginning because i always think that i
- 2:00can go like oh in into a very regular
- 2:04trade and then i end up losing big on
- 2:06something
- 2:07and right now my progress in day trading
- 2:09is i'm
- 2:11i'm down like 6k yeah from the very
- 2:14beginning
- 2:15yeah overall down 6k
- 2:18first six month i was down about
- 2:21uh 8 000
- 2:23and um later
- 2:25there was a month last october which is
- 2:27the really very crazy month um
- 2:31i took another approach
- 2:33the approach was i would just kind of
- 2:35follow you strictly and i'm not gonna
- 2:37trade on myself and um that month i was
- 2:40up 22k
- 2:42and
- 2:43later when i when i switched
- 2:46to
- 2:47kind of a half and half
- 2:49whenever you have a trade i'll follow it
- 2:51and
- 2:52whenever i trade
- 2:55i'll just trade on my own
- 2:57i still lose money that way even though
- 3:00i'm winning on your on the following
- 3:01trade
- 3:03so here comes one question as you guys
- 3:05watching the podcast
- 3:07so
- 3:08you're a person not really close to
- 3:10stephen and you're pretty much beside
- 3:12him all the time so why not just follow
- 3:14him
- 3:15pretty much 100 of the time and you will
- 3:18be able to make you know at least six
- 3:21figures a year with your account size
- 3:25yeah uh that's a very
- 3:27viable question because i was because in
- 3:30my mind after so many trades that i
- 3:32might that pull off on my own i just
- 3:35start to ask myself okay i think the
- 3:37most efficient way to trade to treat
- 3:40this stock market
- 3:41is actually to follow every single one
- 3:43of your trade and not doing it on my own
- 3:45because that's see this is another
- 3:47question that other people will be
- 3:48curious about is
- 3:50that
- 3:51well they before they go into day
- 3:54trading they will look at the statistics
- 3:5694 people loses money in the stock
- 3:59market and i think i told you guys in
- 4:01the last podcast only maybe five
- 4:05people can make over five million
- 4:06dollars per year in the entire i would
- 4:09say brokerage which has about 25 000
- 4:11people and three of the three out of
- 4:14those five people keeps rotating out
- 4:16because they blow up in uh in
- 4:19uh maybe
- 4:21some takers like dwc
- 4:24so once they know the statistics right
- 4:26and they see somebody like me and you're
- 4:30already close to me so
- 4:32you don't even have to go through making
- 4:34so many trades by yourself
- 4:36other people just be looking at me says
- 4:39okay i'm just gonna follow stephen from
- 4:41the beginning i'm not even gonna trade
- 4:42by myself
- 4:44so what's your take
- 4:45um
- 4:46my take on that is uh i actually i just
- 4:49had an idea popped up towards that topic
- 4:52because my take on that is if i see if i
- 4:55do that
- 4:57i know i can be profitable because the
- 4:59statistic
- 5:00statistics tells me so
- 5:02um but if i do that i'm worried i'm
- 5:06worrying about like someday i may not be
- 5:08able to follow your trade and then this
- 5:10may not be
- 5:12a very consistent
- 5:14path for me to take on but then i was
- 5:16like
- 5:18if i trade on my own
- 5:20that's not consistent at all either so
- 5:23if i just maybe if maybe the following
- 5:26part is actually the learning part that
- 5:28i should be taking on
- 5:30instead of like just trading on my own
- 5:34so one of the things
- 5:36outsides a more logical way
- 5:39is
- 5:40if jimmy tends to follow me from the
- 5:42very beginning and he turns 27 000 into
- 5:46six figure plus
- 5:48um
- 5:48and
- 5:49his main focus is to be consistent
- 5:52profitable without me
- 5:54being present
- 5:56so
- 5:58that takes
- 5:59trades by himself and takes practices as
- 6:01well
- 6:02so if i'm not there and he has a six
- 6:05figure account once he makes a mistake
- 6:09that will be a much severe mistake
- 6:11uh
- 6:12you know on a six-figure account instead
- 6:15of you know 27 000 account so in
- 6:19if you if i present that way uh it's
- 6:22much better to make mistakes when you
- 6:24have a smaller account then you have a
- 6:26bigger account
- 6:28that's my take yeah
- 6:29i agree
- 6:30um and i just have something in my head
- 6:33um and and i think the following trade
- 6:36part
- 6:38is not only about
- 6:40when we have a trade it's also about
- 6:44how much position size you should be
- 6:46putting in after you took a loss after
- 6:48your account gets decreased to a point
- 6:50and what's the new ratio of you putting
- 6:53in to that account i think um
- 6:56i think when i'm not following you
- 6:59when i'm not following your trade what i
- 7:01do is okay on the first day say i lose
- 7:04about
- 7:055k on a on a one fifth or one third
- 7:09position size and
- 7:11the second day i would think about
- 7:13making it back or
- 7:14or third day whenever there's a
- 7:16opportunity and i'll go in the same size
- 7:19and i'll lose it again and again and
- 7:21again until
- 7:23my count is non-existent and um
- 7:27but actually the the right way to treat
- 7:29that situation from your perspective if
- 7:32you are to treat my account instead of
- 7:35me
- 7:35i think it will turn out really
- 7:37differently ever since the first losing
- 7:39trade
- 7:41so there is
- 7:46more like a derivative about whenever
- 7:49you're on a losing streak
- 7:51that every loss you take and and if it
- 7:54turns out become a consistent loss
- 7:58then you have to slowly reduce your size
- 8:01and for
- 8:02uh
- 8:03somebody that followed me 100 of the
- 8:05time and they are looking at me trading
- 8:07different takers that's fine and you can
- 8:09look at my entries and exit but the one
- 8:12thing
- 8:13that i can't
- 8:15pay attention to is my size
- 8:17because i have my own idea about my
- 8:20sizing into different wedding percentage
- 8:22pattern
- 8:22some tickers are sizing in two million
- 8:25dollars some ticker assistant only three
- 8:27hundred thousand and for somebody as a
- 8:30beginner like him all those numbers are
- 8:32so big that he
- 8:34barely pays attention to
- 8:36so
- 8:38if he cannot control
- 8:40the size in different pattern which
- 8:43is a big problem so if i throw a 300 000
- 8:46dollar into a ticker that's not not very
- 8:48profitable only maybe 65 percent winning
- 8:52percentage if i take a loss
- 8:55it will be relatively small and if i
- 8:58throw a two million dollar i'm gonna
- 9:00take her that
- 9:01has eighty percent ninety percent
- 9:02winning percentage if i make a win
- 9:04that'll be huge the the weighing will
- 9:07overwhelm the losses easily
- 9:09but for somebody like him he doesn't
- 9:11know the size and difference he doesn't
- 9:13know the statistics behind different
- 9:14patterns and winning percentages he will
- 9:16throw all of the size with uh premium he
- 9:21will throw i would say the same
- 9:23size on all different tickers
- 9:25so
- 9:26that will become a whole different story
- 9:28because you don't really know how to
- 9:30sizing heavy into different winning
- 9:31percentage pattern and that
- 9:34will
- 9:36basically
- 9:38come out with a complete outcome
- 9:40between me and him
- 9:42completely different yeah
- 9:43um yeah i noticed that when i was going
- 9:46through your trades from a trade zero
- 9:48last year um there's
- 9:52uh it's the share sizes they uh vary a
- 9:55lot
- 9:56and um
- 9:57and it seems like you control it very
- 10:00well because
- 10:02out of like because i do it like in a
- 10:05month-to-month increment um say last
- 10:08october the trade you pull off last
- 10:10october you only have two losing trade
- 10:12and uh
- 10:14and then out of let's say i think it was
- 10:16like 12 trades
- 10:18on trade zero and then you only have two
- 10:20losing trade one is like
- 10:22700 loss
- 10:23and uh one is like 200k loss or 100k
- 10:27something but the winning trades are on
- 10:30average the biggest one goes up to 900k
- 10:33that's just the trader account um and
- 10:36then average is around 500 to 300k
- 10:40per trade and um
- 10:42that um that that part to me is like i'm
- 10:46i'm like i'm super amazed because you
- 10:49control your losses
- 10:51here like that portion 100k or 200k
- 10:54that's your max loss there that you took
- 10:56and then the average win that you took
- 10:59is
- 11:01i would say even 100k more than
- 11:04when
- 11:05than your max loss
- 11:07um
- 11:08and when i when i look at the position
- 11:10size it's really
- 11:12yeah it is really hard for me to follow
- 11:15since the
- 11:16since the share size is just
- 11:18just really big
- 11:20and um i wonder how
- 11:24it i wonder if the best way for me to
- 11:26start practicing this is to uh is is
- 11:30from what i was what i'm doing right now
- 11:31which is the uh i will break down my
- 11:33position size to
- 11:35the small um let's say 60 percent
- 11:38winning rate to 75 winning rate i'll put
- 11:41down one-fifth of my account and um 80
- 11:45to 80 anywhere about 80 winning rates i
- 11:48would go about one-third
- 11:51of my uh of my total equity um do you
- 11:54think i should break it down even more
- 11:57than the two position signs that's
- 11:58something um
- 12:01see here is the most difficult part for
- 12:04sizing in
- 12:05is there's a limitation about how much
- 12:08you can size in
- 12:11with
- 12:12different account size
- 12:14so let's say you only have a few
- 12:15thousand dollar account you can size in
- 12:17with percentages one fifth one third if
- 12:20you have a fifty thousand dollar account
- 12:22you can still setting one fifth one
- 12:23third and if you have a 500 000 account
- 12:26you have to really pay attention to the
- 12:28volume and there's only specific amount
- 12:29of money you can size in before you
- 12:31break the pattern
- 12:33so
- 12:34uh that's number one you have to go
- 12:37figure that one out
- 12:39as you become more experienced trader
- 12:42the second part
- 12:43is
- 12:45being flexible
- 12:46with your account
- 12:48going back and forth so with day trading
- 12:51right you you experience uh
- 12:54exponential growth within a small amount
- 12:57of time
- 12:58and one day your account is 27 000 one
- 13:00day your account is 54 000
- 13:03and the transition from
- 13:0554
- 13:0627 to 54
- 13:09is you are not very experienced with the
- 13:12losses you are not very experienced if
- 13:14you're sizing one third that's gonna
- 13:17your max loss will be this much when you
- 13:20see the loss you see oh this exceeded my
- 13:23normal uh losses on a 27
- 13:26south 27 thousand dollar account
- 13:30and you instantly freak out and cut your
- 13:32losses but you are not supposed to cut
- 13:33your losses so
- 13:35those mental transitions is also very
- 13:38important
- 13:40for your trading career so
- 13:43being adaptive
- 13:44um
- 13:46your account sizes and being adaptive on
- 13:49size limitations once you become more
- 13:52experienced
- 13:53those two i think
- 13:56uh are the most also difficult part for
- 13:59you to
- 14:00experience i can't really teach people
- 14:02that uh because
- 14:05every day your account just going back
- 14:06and forth back and forth i think at one
- 14:09point of my time my account was going
- 14:11from
- 14:131.5 million
- 14:15to lower 700k it was just going back and
- 14:18forth like that
- 14:19so
- 14:20i couldn't control my size when i was at
- 14:221.5 000 in
- 14:25500k it's easy
- 14:27but when i have a 700k account sizing
- 14:29500k that's almost all it yeah
- 14:33so
- 14:35to manage that and
- 14:38whenever you are making a trading plan
- 14:41it is fine to make a trading plan
- 14:43whenever
- 14:44uh it's in the pre-market but pretty
- 14:47much all of the entry is like instant so
- 14:51you have to make your decisions within
- 14:5230 seconds right in those 30 seconds you
- 14:56got to think about
- 14:58all those risk management
- 15:01make sure you're setting the right size
- 15:03and make sure you have a correct risk
- 15:05and make sure you have the correct
- 15:07max loss
- 15:08and be able to cut
- 15:10once the stock reaches a certain point
- 15:12so all of that information is to go
- 15:14through your head
- 15:15within 30 seconds so that's the hard
- 15:18part it's very
- 15:20it's very very easy to screw up on you
- 15:23know
- 15:24thinking through those 30 seconds
- 15:26i've done it many times
- 15:28sometimes i press the extra zero
- 15:30sometimes i
- 15:31didn't know my loss could get to this
- 15:33big
- 15:34and
- 15:36that specific part for
- 15:38you is
- 15:40i would say to be
- 15:42going from you know
- 15:45thinking fast and almost feel like it's
- 15:47all
- 15:48i'll say
- 15:49it becomes an autopilot after you do
- 15:51like 100 times but for the first
- 15:5450 times it's very difficult
- 15:57so to control that
- 15:59is also very difficult you're going to
- 16:00go through some crazy losses at the
- 16:02beginning which i did at the beginning
- 16:05and you learn from that i think the most
- 16:07important lesson no matter how i tell
- 16:09people
- 16:10uh what they should do what they should
- 16:12not do and those type of
- 16:14thinking process
- 16:15produces mistakes and you gotta
- 16:17experience experience those mistakes
- 16:19before you become a better trader
- 16:22so
- 16:23knowing
- 16:24um knowing what's it like when you mess
- 16:27up
- 16:28knowing what's it like when you mess up
- 16:30yeah
- 16:30and
- 16:31being confident that okay if i
- 16:34if i mess up this is what could
- 16:35potentially happen even though i could
- 16:37avoid it i still don't
- 16:40know what it's like in the back of my
- 16:41head and moving forward
- 16:44um
- 16:45yeah that i'm still yeah i'm still
- 16:47digesting on the part how do you of like
- 16:50how fast you
- 16:52um calculate the position size and uh
- 16:55and the potential risk of that you're
- 16:57taking for
- 16:58for
- 16:59for each and different position like
- 17:02for each and different pattern which you
- 17:04size them differently
- 17:08so what you should do is
- 17:11you should write like
- 17:13uh you should treat
- 17:14uh different patterns like a branch so
- 17:18you you look at ticker okay this is fits
- 17:21certain criteria maybe it's a bouncer
- 17:22gap up for overseeing gap down or first
- 17:25right day or whatever it fits a certain
- 17:27criteria then you branch out from this
- 17:29pattern and you see okay
- 17:33um
- 17:34how much reward i have how much risk do
- 17:36i have
- 17:37uh is it really worth it to go in today
- 17:41and is it very is it overextended so
- 17:44the stock itself over extension volume
- 17:48size
- 17:50flow market cap all those things matters
- 17:54and that just takes a massive amount of
- 17:56experience because different ticker has
- 17:58its own volume market cap flow
- 18:02and
- 18:04to control size
- 18:06on
- 18:07individual ticker that's completely
- 18:08different than all the samples that you
- 18:10have
- 18:11is difficult
- 18:13so
- 18:15when you see me making a trade like dwc
- 18:18and amcd and gme
- 18:20i've never seen those before
- 18:22yeah how do you
- 18:23how did you figure out
- 18:25a new position size for those
- 18:29so
- 18:30that comes down to
- 18:34for amc
- 18:36and gme
- 18:38gme is reasonable because
- 18:42once you dropped from 500 to 100 and
- 18:45bounced back to 400
- 18:47that's a massive bouncing percentages
- 18:49and you have a solid risk for the
- 18:51shorting too that's the same pattern as
- 18:53cei so that's easy now for amc when it
- 18:56dropped like that
- 18:58um
- 19:00for amc that was difficult mc i
- 19:04i don't think i did very very well
- 19:06compared to me
- 19:08yeah mc was uh
- 19:11it dropped in the pre-market
- 19:13and i did not expecting expected dmc
- 19:16bouncing all the way back
- 19:19and almost
- 19:20to the exact same high as
- 19:24i think it was the 75
- 19:26dollar area
- 19:27now to control size on that one
- 19:29is almost like trading
- 19:34a billion dollar cap
- 19:35so you know that one billion most of the
- 19:37billion dollar cap has its fundamentals
- 19:39so massive extensions or massive panic
- 19:43will have a reverse
- 19:45um
- 19:46typically when it drops 75 reverses
- 19:49about 50 from the bottom
- 19:51so
- 19:53um
- 19:56now for amc and g missions are so
- 19:58extended i was unsure they would
- 20:00actually have a bouncing
- 20:02yeah
- 20:03so
- 20:04for mc i did not catch the bounce for
- 20:07jme uh i
- 20:10packed size on it because you actually
- 20:12have i have identified risk
- 20:14uh for dwc the first size was small but
- 20:18the rest of the size once a once pattern
- 20:20was formed already i will be able to
- 20:22identify
- 20:24uh
- 20:25the pattern that's going to play it out
- 20:26so that's why it says the heavy so that
- 20:29178
- 20:31165 entry at the very top
- 20:34that was like a more oh my god feeling
- 20:37yeah yeah
- 20:38see that that was the upgrade c
- 20:41and amc that was
- 20:44a solid trade
- 20:47the gmail solution
- 20:51llc it comes with gut feeling once it
- 20:54drops the certain amount of percentages
- 20:56and i can confirm panic is coming that's
- 20:58where it says then
- 21:01yeah so you can see
- 21:03so going back to the
- 21:05um the drop um
- 21:08the um the sizing in
- 21:10after you are confirmed it's a is a drop
- 21:13because it sounds like you broke your
- 21:15position size down by first very little
- 21:18and then large portion once
- 21:20once you you're confirmed on a certain
- 21:23idea
- 21:24um how do you break that down
- 21:27how do you break it down
- 21:30to give it a percentage
- 21:32what would be
- 21:34one-fifth one-third of the total
- 21:36position for your first entry
- 21:39uh normally i don't really break it down
- 21:41that much
- 21:43i will size the name based on how i want
- 21:45to look at my average where
- 21:47what average am i most comfortable
- 21:50at when the stock is at certain point
- 21:53so let's say
- 21:54for amc
- 21:56that top is 75 my uh
- 22:00my average better be at
- 22:0265 or something
- 22:04right so i will size in a little bit
- 22:07amount
- 22:08more of like this might be the potential
- 22:10momentum shift because it's up so much
- 22:14once it confirmed drops it drops about
- 22:1761.62 right i sat down somewhere between
- 22:2070
- 22:21and i
- 22:22average those positions my
- 22:25together my average will be around 67.68
- 22:28so i'm sitting there
- 22:3167.68
- 22:32i'm very comfortable with the stock is
- 22:35already at 61 and
- 22:37closing to the 50s and when it drops all
- 22:40the way down to 30s i feel much more
- 22:43comfortable
- 22:44so
- 22:45you have to kind of see that
- 22:47the stock current price with your
- 22:49current average if it's too
- 22:52if the gap is too small that's where it
- 22:54makes you nervous
- 22:55uh so you kind of define that comfort
- 22:58zone is you want a sizing in
- 23:00a small amount to drag your average up
- 23:03to half the middle point that to compare
- 23:05with the current price
- 23:07that
- 23:08gap
- 23:09is your edge the bigger the gap is
- 23:12the more likely you're going to profit
- 23:13especially on a
- 23:17stock is
- 23:19down you know shifting momentums
- 23:27yeah um
- 23:28that's uh that's very interesting to me
- 23:30because
- 23:30um
- 23:31for lately what i'm trying to do is uh
- 23:33just one entry and one exit
- 23:38i i've always have this question on
- 23:41if you break your position size down by
- 23:43okay the first it would be like a very
- 23:45high entry
- 23:46and
- 23:47and then the second one's a confirmation
- 23:49about something
- 23:51uh once the once you confirm that this
- 23:53stuck is cracking and then you can still
- 23:55size in with the previous entry to drag
- 23:59your average up
- 24:01um
- 24:04what
- 24:05like what kind of
- 24:07you said the the larger the gap
- 24:10um from your initial entry and then the
- 24:12the second confirmation
- 24:15it's
- 24:16when it gets bigger how is your edge
- 24:18increasing
- 24:20downshift momentum is when the stock
- 24:22being so overextended going up a
- 24:23thousand percent and it's when it's on a
- 24:25confirmed down shifting per momentum it
- 24:27will drop at least 50 from the
- 24:30top so from that point is how close are
- 24:34you from the top
- 24:36i'll beat another cab so
- 24:38that's that's the trick now for
- 24:41all the momentum shift
- 24:44tickers like
- 24:45amc and gme
- 24:47uh kodk
- 24:49all the crazy tickers that happened this
- 24:50year
- 24:52those you need
- 24:54uh adding
- 24:55and you need
- 24:56multiple entries but for regular
- 24:58patterns like gap up shoulder bounce
- 25:01short you don't really need
- 25:02multiple entries one introvert exit and
- 25:05a lot of people cannot control
- 25:07their entry
- 25:09based on multiple entries i'm gonna take
- 25:11her
- 25:12especially on multi-year honor going
- 25:14really crazy
- 25:16that's where they blow up their account
- 25:19so that's why i recommend most beginners
- 25:22don't do
- 25:25try to guess where the momentum is going
- 25:27to shift
- 25:29because if you cannot control your
- 25:31sizing
- 25:32very very easy to lose 20 30 percent in
- 25:35one candle so
- 25:37that's my take on
- 25:40the momentum shift
- 25:41and regular patterns
- 25:43okay so regular pattern it will be one
- 25:46entry one exit get it cleared
- 25:48and uh for momentum shifts you how you
- 25:51you have to size in differently at
- 25:54different points
- 25:56would you go about
- 25:58one half at the first entry and one half
- 26:00of the second entry
- 26:02half and one and see that's
- 26:04not very ideal because one
- 26:07whenever you decide to do one half
- 26:09you're pretty much
- 26:11you're pretty sure that the stock is
- 26:13going to go down from there
- 26:15so
- 26:21personally for me i would drop a little
- 26:23bit of size to test
- 26:26yeah i would test the stock to see
- 26:31my
- 26:32the strength of my shares that sounds a
- 26:34little bit weird is
- 26:36that uh i will go in and use my size
- 26:39to
- 26:40to
- 26:42uh to test the stock so i put in ten
- 26:45thousand shares i put in five thousand
- 26:47shares to see how far the stock will
- 26:48actually drop if it drops significant
- 26:51amount that makes first of all if it is
- 26:53really on low liquidity
- 26:56the stock would pull
- 26:58really hard if it pulls really really
- 27:00hard that means there's not many
- 27:03buyers are in there anymore
- 27:05if there's sufficient enough eq
- 27:07liquidity and if you drop ten thousand
- 27:09shares on it depends on the stock price
- 27:12for sure if you drop ten thousand shares
- 27:14on it and you
- 27:16didn't really move
- 27:18or
- 27:18in
- 27:19it pull down a little bit instantly
- 27:21reverse and that's something that shows
- 27:22the stock is still a lot of strength
- 27:25so
- 27:28i'll go in a test about a few times to
- 27:30see
- 27:33how my size will actually affect on the
- 27:35stock
- 27:36before i go in in full size so
- 27:40for me
- 27:41i'm more of looking at the bigger
- 27:42picture uh if i can make
- 27:45seven hundred thousand nine hundred
- 27:46thousand
- 27:47or a million
- 27:49dollar trade
- 27:51gold has decided within ten thousand
- 27:53twenty thousand it's
- 27:54nothing
- 27:57yeah that
- 27:58that sounds hard first of all
- 28:00but uh the second is how did you start
- 28:02practicing like looking at because this
- 28:05is really hard to quantify you can't
- 28:07really bring up excel sheet and record
- 28:09what you do what you're doing when
- 28:11you're testing all those shares
- 28:13um
- 28:14so
- 28:15i guess it's all based on your feelings
- 28:18and then
- 28:19like how basically if i put 50 k shares
- 28:22down here and then seeing how much it'll
- 28:25drop here see that it's quantifiable
- 28:28[Music]
- 28:29see
- 28:30it's kind of that way in my head yes but
- 28:32it's also quantifiable um
- 28:34i'm the machine by just a lot it's not
- 28:37more difficult
- 28:38because
- 28:40whenever you are seeing so many examples
- 28:42you can see how far stock will actually
- 28:44pull based on different flow and market
- 28:46cap you see so many of them can you know
- 28:48you can see
- 28:49what's the percentage you can pull
- 28:52but to really actually track that with
- 28:54your you know eight nine years
- 28:57experience to track every single one of
- 28:59that it's
- 29:00a little bit difficult
- 29:02so i don't think
- 29:04anybody has that type of spreadsheets
- 29:06that
- 29:07a certain amount of size can poster a
- 29:09certain percentage
- 29:10of the stock and what type of
- 29:12percentages is considered to be weird
- 29:15was considered to be
- 29:17likely reversible based on how much size
- 29:20you tested like i don't think anybody
- 29:22none of them has maybe it's you know one
- 29:25of
- 29:26the stop thoughts out there yeah
- 29:29i don't i don't even know how how to
- 29:31like practice that
- 29:33it's like when did you start
- 29:35noticing that this could be a method
- 29:38to test the liquid at that point started
- 29:41with uh i was sizing into a ticker
- 29:45i was wondering okay well the stock is
- 29:47up about 100 percent
- 29:49how much can this adds in
- 29:51i was pushing size i was making 100k 80k
- 29:53at the beginning i was making 20k then
- 29:5580k the 100k on ticker
- 29:59and it gets to a point that
- 30:01you size in so much
- 30:03and it's not worth it no more it's not
- 30:06worth it for a stock that's only a
- 30:08hundred percent you'll get your limit
- 30:10of
- 30:12the size is not worth it for the stock
- 30:14right now yeah you have to drop size
- 30:16because your wrists become too much
- 30:18so
- 30:20um
- 30:23that's number one after that i started
- 30:25to notice okay
- 30:28how much size can i use to test the
- 30:30stock to you to actually
- 30:33fill my own size
- 30:35into the pool
- 30:36before somebody
- 30:38uses a large amount of dollar to counter
- 30:40me because i showed it too much
- 30:43so
- 30:44it started from there
- 30:46and i'm still earning i don't think i'm
- 30:50i am uh
- 30:51there yet but
- 30:53i have a feeling
- 30:54that
- 30:56not a feeling but i have some type of
- 30:57statistics behind it it just
- 31:01it's quantum available but it's very
- 31:02difficult
- 31:04yeah it's that sounds really tough
- 31:07yeah sometimes
- 31:08i don't know how to do it
- 31:12and i don't know how to start to
- 31:13practice that until at first i feel like
- 31:16i need to get to a certain point in my
- 31:18account size and um
- 31:21to actually have an effect
- 31:24when like save short 50k shares to um to
- 31:27test the liquidity
- 31:29um but 50k is like everything to me
- 31:32right now
- 31:33on and so at this point you have to
- 31:36worry about that all you have to focus
- 31:37on is
- 31:40patterns right injury right exit
- 31:43maximum your
- 31:45maximum minus your pro your percentage
- 31:49on a chart
- 31:52at the beginning i was just trying to
- 31:54practice okay today i missed about ten
- 31:57percent from the entry i should i should
- 31:58top take it and i also should bottom
- 32:01take that there's a statistic statistics
- 32:04for top tick and volume tick
- 32:06uh like
- 32:08whenever your top tick you will know how
- 32:10how far the stock will drop like every
- 32:12time i told you that uh it's not exactly
- 32:15to drop to here
- 32:17if the volume is too um too much
- 32:20you know you can cover a little bit
- 32:21about there all those cover experience
- 32:24or exiting experience come from
- 32:27statistics it comes from all those
- 32:30experiences
- 32:31so
- 32:33from from trading once you
- 32:35at the beginning
- 32:37i'll say at the first two to three years
- 32:38if you just practice your entry
- 32:41and maximize your profit on the exit you
- 32:44should be good to go yeah that's
- 32:48once you practice the point
- 32:50i would say
- 32:52give a zero to 100 if you got to 90 on a
- 32:56total score you can make a million
- 32:57dollars
- 33:00i have been doing none of that
- 33:04yeah i need to yeah i need to i actually
- 33:06can i find a plan
- 33:09i i actually want to write this down
- 33:10because
- 33:11yeah i haven't been tracking
- 33:14um how good my entry and exit is from
- 33:16the most ideal point on each dip
- 33:19each of the different pattern
- 33:21i haven't been doing that at all
- 33:25yeah i need to do that right
- 33:27yeah
- 33:28yeah
- 33:29um
- 33:30all right which uh brings us to the next
- 33:33question
- 33:34um
- 33:35this is see
- 33:37when i'm having an issue in day trading
- 33:39it's um it's
- 33:41it's pretty easy for me to like to go to
- 33:44you and have it fixed i'll go ask you
- 33:46questions and then you'll point out what
- 33:49am i doing wrong what am i doing right
- 33:51um
- 33:53but you
- 33:55you kind of you started
- 33:57trading on your own and then you
- 34:00pretty much it's a self-learned process
- 34:01for you and i wonder
- 34:04it's easy for me to keep myself humble
- 34:06because i can go to you i can i have
- 34:07some place to look at but how do you
- 34:09keep yourself like in check and humbled
- 34:12and in whatever
- 34:14in whichever way you would define a good
- 34:16trader
- 34:17how do you keep yourself in check
- 34:19because see that's the hard part i used
- 34:21to be
- 34:23uh
- 34:26i used to trying to figure stuff by
- 34:28myself now looking at all different
- 34:30people's stuff
- 34:33all the bigger traders or bigger name
- 34:35traders or major creators out there
- 34:39uh i will test their strategies and
- 34:41we'll see if they're working now
- 34:47but from
- 34:48self-improving part it is so much more
- 34:51difficult i have to do so many trades
- 34:54and simulations and to see where could i
- 34:57fit in and how to dodge losses and how
- 35:00to have the correct mindset
- 35:02every time when i take a loss now that's
- 35:04the hardest part because
- 35:07if you're alone you're unsure of
- 35:10what you did wrong what you did right
- 35:12um
- 35:13until you trade for maybe 10 months a
- 35:16year or 10 months
- 35:18and two a year
- 35:19and you look at your entire trading
- 35:26entire
- 35:28you look at all your trades from your
- 35:30trading now you look at all your trades
- 35:31from account statements and you'll be
- 35:34able to figure out okay this is the
- 35:36biggest loss i have i probably should
- 35:38get rid of that one and i should also
- 35:40look at this sticker
- 35:41maybe this one is a little bit extra
- 35:45this is from over trading or this is
- 35:46from
- 35:47revenge trading you take those out and
- 35:50you will be able to recognize which ones
- 35:52are available which one's not avoidable
- 35:54you can
- 35:56you know simulate another sheets and you
- 35:58can see oh this is you know have much
- 36:00more better result than i have let's do
- 36:02that
- 36:03next time and it just slowly improves
- 36:06every single year
- 36:08yeah yeah so that's how yourself
- 36:11improve
- 36:12so you pull out your account statements
- 36:15and then you find out the the consistent
- 36:18trade and then you put you actually
- 36:20simulate them and you put those trades
- 36:22into into a new spreadsheet and then
- 36:24just the new spreadsheet has nothing but
- 36:27the ideal trade that you bought ideal
- 36:28trader you pull up and there's the
- 36:30losses that you think it's unavoidable
- 36:32okay then you look at your profits and
- 36:34they locate profits right now and you
- 36:36can see oh i [ __ ]
- 36:38up so you actually
- 36:40build this ideal in your in your head
- 36:43and then you go for it and then until
- 36:45you get there you figure out
- 36:47another idea that you can go for again
- 36:50and that's the way you
- 36:52yeah
- 36:53that sounds tough
- 36:58i still want to write it down
- 37:00alright guys that's enough trading in
- 37:03topics for today so if you have any
- 37:05questions
- 37:06or any comments about jimmy and
- 37:09questions
- 37:10to ask me leave a comment below and
- 37:13we'll be happy to answer and hopefully
- 37:16in 2022 you guys will have a great
- 37:18training journey and let us know i'll
- 37:21see you guys in the next one
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