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0:00the left is very intimidating they've
0:02got 61 percent of democrats believing
0:05that all republicans are racists
0:08that's
0:08and as i say republicans are firing back
0:11by calling them liberals or saying
0:14they're playing with politics they're
0:16not playing people
0:19at the height of the cold war david
0:20horowitz was raised in a new york
0:22communist household at berkeley he led
0:24activism for socialist revolution in the
0:26country and then advanced as a prolific
0:28author for the radical left in the 1960s
0:31and 70s he was editor of ramparts the
0:33leading magazine for the new left he
0:35befriended huey newton and raised money
0:37for the black panther party his second
0:39book became a widespread handbook for
0:40the growing anti-vietnam war movement of
0:42the 1960s and then after 10 years away
0:45from political discourse david announced
0:47he was supporting ronald reagan for
0:48president and he was leaving the left
0:51we'll get into what he witnessed that
0:52drove him away from politics for a
0:54decade and how he reemerged on the other
0:56side of the aisle david's career
0:58originally celebrated by intellectuals
1:00disappeared from the cultural
1:01establishment almost overnight
1:03prior to conversion he had books praised
1:05by major mainstream media publications
1:07new york times la times the national
1:09book awards and then was widely ignored
1:11but david continued to be a prolific
1:13writer he used the anti-american beliefs
1:15and experiences from his early life to
1:17expose the damage to american society
1:19from the left
1:21in this episode david tells us about his
1:23advocation to fight fire with fire when
1:25it comes to leftists if the left makes
1:27politics without rising to higher
1:28purpose with social political activism
1:30the right will never win unless we fight
1:32that same way and we discuss his latest
1:34book the enemy within how a totalitarian
1:36movement is destroying america where
1:38david lays out how the democrat party's
1:40actions have pushed us to the brink of a
1:42one-party state
1:44[Music]
1:53hey hey and welcome this is the ben
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2:15awesome guests david horowitz thanks so
2:17much for joining the show thanks for
2:18having me ben it's it's actually an
2:21honor to be on with such a warrior for
2:23our country
2:25which is under attack from within i
2:27really appreciate that so we're going to
2:28get to
2:29what is happening in terms of your new
2:31book and and modern politics in just a
2:33second but for folks who really don't
2:34know your early work i think it's
2:36important that folks know your
2:37background you started off as a
2:38full-fledged communist essentially so
2:41maybe you can explain your
2:42transformation you started off in
2:44natural commun communist family yeah
2:47this book i've written the enemy within
2:49how a totalitarian movement is
2:52destroying america
2:54i
2:55is a book written from my own sort of
2:57biography i was brought up by communists
3:00i was
3:02one of the founders of the new left i
3:04edited its largest magazine
3:07and i left the left when i
3:10realized that it wasn't about social
3:12justice it wasn't about peace
3:15it was about hating and destroying
3:18america
3:19and this was brought home to me
3:22when the left got its greatest victory
3:25which was to drive america out of
3:27vietnam
3:28when the communists came in
3:30they proceeded to slaughter two and a
3:32half million indo-chinese peasants
3:35and there was not one single
3:38demonstration by the so-called anti-war
3:41movement
3:42and i knew then that the my leftist
3:45friends didn't give a damn about the
3:47vietnamese
3:48they discussed the way they don't care
3:50about black people or any minorities
3:53what they care about is their hatred for
3:56america and destroying it from the
3:58foundations up
4:01so as you've talked about growing up in
4:03a communist family you see a lot of
4:04people now young people who are
4:06resonating to the the messages of karl
4:08marx and of socialism and communism what
4:10is the appeal i i don't think it's
4:12predominantly an economic appeal as much
4:14as it is sort of a an almost spiritual
4:16appeal
4:17it's a religious it's a crypto religion
4:21they believe that the world is a corrupt
4:23place uh
4:24it used to be because of corporations
4:27now it's corporations and white people
4:30um
4:31and they believe that they're the
4:32they're the redeemers so they're going
4:35to act like gods that's why they look i
4:37mean
4:38why would you open the southern border
4:40in the midst of a global pandemic
4:43and let in a hundred thousand
4:45that's the figure coronavirus carrier
4:48carriers
4:49uh
4:50why would you abuse children on the
4:52scale that biden and harris are abusing
4:55them
4:56on the southern
4:57border if you cared about people
5:00uh
5:01why would you be
5:03conflating black criminals
5:06uh with civil rights workers which is
5:09what the black lives matter movement is
5:11about
5:12and why would you burn cities
5:14you do it because you hate america and
5:17why
5:18they put in a curriculum in our schools
5:20that's backed by the biden
5:22government the 1619 project it's a pack
5:26of lies
5:27that
5:28the idea is to
5:30make america's founding be
5:33slavery and racism
5:35the 20 africans who were shipped to the
5:37virginia colony in
5:391619 were not slaves and slavery was
5:43outlawed in the virginia colony and the
5:45virginia colony was not america it was
5:48an english colony
5:50that doesn't phase them from teaching
5:52this to k-12
5:55students so
5:56the whole purpose
5:58is to make them hate their own country
6:01david one of the things that's really
6:02interesting sort of about your life and
6:03career is that you seem to have moved in
6:04precisely the opposite direction that
6:06the country has moved so you started off
6:08as a communist when you were very young
6:10and you moved through the new left you
6:12edited rampart's magazine and and now
6:14you're a member of the of the right the
6:16country as a whole started off as a
6:18conservative country in the time that
6:20you were growing up it was a country
6:21that very much opposed this sort of
6:22fringe communist radical movement and
6:25now as you mentioned this has become the
6:26mainstream in the united states the
6:28counterculture is now the culture and
6:30the and the culture is now the
6:31counterculture how is it that the the
6:34arguments that you were making when you
6:35were young and that you grew out of and
6:37realized were wrong how have they gained
6:38such unbelievable cultural purchase
6:40first of all let me say you know if
6:42you're being attacked by marxists they
6:44always say you're selling out if you
6:46move to the right
6:47and in fact you know i would be
6:50the subject of a hollywood movie if i
6:53had stayed on the left and and written
6:55by autobiography
6:56uh
6:59it's seductive
7:01it's not only their message is very
7:03seductive we're going to help poor
7:05people the vulnerable the least among us
7:08all that baloney since their policies
7:11are
7:12hurting
7:13uh if you defund the police who are the
7:16people who are
7:18you know going to suffer the most poor
7:20minorities in the inner city
7:22that's their sole protection
7:25um
7:26or you
7:28if you let
7:29violent criminals run across the border
7:32and enter the country who are they going
7:33to prey on they're going to prey on his
7:36poor hispanic people
7:38they're not they're not going to go into
7:40gated communities in beverly hills so
7:43it's very seductive
7:45but also we have a generation now or
7:48several generations of complete
7:50ignoramuses
7:52um i wrote
7:55the the big problem we have is that
7:57conservatives tend to be complacent
8:00so it's live and let live that's a
8:01conservative idea
8:03um
8:05so you know i wrote five books about the
8:07communist takeover of the universities
8:09and you know some of them got attention
8:13um but the republican party did nothing
8:16i got no support from the conservative
8:19movement
8:21you know to
8:22protect academic freedom in the schools
8:24and stop the indoctrination that was
8:26going on it's only now that people are
8:29beginning to wake up so you have a whole
8:31generation to have no idea what america
8:33is about
8:34that you know to them uh you know
8:36they've been all brought up on the
8:38communist howard zinn's
8:40uh people's history of
8:42the united states
8:44uh they they think
8:47you know the way they look at the
8:48founding is it's a bunch of slave owners
8:50and racists
8:52when the opposite is true
8:54i mean
8:55every black person in america always a
8:57debt of gratitude to this country
9:00for declaring for the first time in 3
9:02000 years in 1776
9:06that all men are created equal and have
9:08a god-given right
9:09to liberty
9:11and then within a little over a
9:13generation
9:14sacrificing 350 000 mainly white lives
9:19to free the slaves
9:21when this they were all enslaved by
9:24black africans and sold at auctions in
9:27africa
9:28so you know the reality is that black
9:30people enslaved each other and white
9:33people liberated them
9:35but
9:36to say that in today's climate what
9:39makes me a racist so david i think it's
9:41important here to point out that your
9:43bona fides with regard to to race
9:45particularly of the left were pretty
9:48sterling up until you made the move to
9:50the right so you started off in in
9:51solidarity with for example the black
9:53panther party what was it uh in your
9:55story for folks who don't know that
9:56drove you away from that well the black
9:58panthers murdered a friend of mine uh i
10:01had raised a lot of money and bought a
10:03baptist church in east oakland
10:06and turned it into a learning center for
10:09the panther children
10:11and i believed our own propaganda so i
10:14thought the state is racist
10:17and if they don't keep
10:19their books properly i had created a tax
10:22exempt foundation
10:24to fund this school
10:26if they don't keep proper books they'll
10:28be closed down i was completely wrong i
10:31mean jesse jackson and al sharpton have
10:33violated the
10:35tax laws for
10:37half a century and nobody's going to
10:39touch them
10:40because they're black and leftist
10:42um so i recruited my bookkeeper from
10:45them i i was editing ramparts the
10:48largest magazine of the left
10:50and i recruited her
10:52um to do the bookkeeping for the school
10:54and in december
10:561974 she disappeared she was in a local
11:00bar and
11:01two blacks came in and she left with
11:04them so she obviously knew them she was
11:07working for the panther party
11:09and uh
11:10five or six weeks later her body was
11:12fished out of san francisco bay
11:15and from my you know the police
11:17interviewed me and they
11:19explained a lot i've written about this
11:21in a book called radical son
11:23um
11:24i knew the panthers had killed her and
11:26uh that happened about simultaneously
11:30when the left was permitting was not
11:33protesting the slaughter of two and a
11:35half million
11:36in no chinese peasants by
11:39by the communists i knew that the left
11:41was evil
11:42and i dedicated the rest of my life to
11:45finding it
11:46it said david let's talk for a second
11:47about the the shift that we've seen over
11:49the past half century or more from the
11:52sort of class-based argument that used
11:54to be made by marxist to a pretty openly
11:55race-based argument that is now made by
11:58marxists it's a sort of fascinating
11:59shift because obviously marxism is
12:02class-based conflict the ideas class
12:03solidarity regardless of color and now
12:06that's been transmuted into the sort of
12:09intersectional
12:11racial conflagration that we've seen
12:12where instead of being a class-based
12:14conflict it's supposed to be a
12:15race-based conflict that poor white
12:17appalachians are not in fact poor and
12:19white they're privileged and rich black
12:21people are not in fact privileged they
12:23are black and everything can be divided
12:25by race as opposed to by class and yet
12:27somehow this fits within the marxist box
12:29how did that happen what does it mean
12:31if you're looking for logic don't look
12:33don't
12:35look at a leftist
12:37look marx was a crackpot everything that
12:39he said of any importance has been
12:42proven false
12:43over the last 150 years
12:49we knew that the proletariat was not
12:52going to be a revolutionary force
12:54because they are if you remember that
12:56well you're too young to remember but
12:58the hard hats in the 60s
13:01the construction workers were beating up
13:04uh new leftists uh
13:06in their when they did their marches
13:09um so the the working class was not
13:12going to make a revolution
13:14uh and so it was it was natural to move
13:17to cultural marxism uh an italian
13:21communist named antonio gramsci
13:23came up with this
13:25theory
13:26um that the
13:29the attack on the class system was
13:31misplaced we should be attacking
13:33leftists should be attacking the culture
13:36and as it happened the vietnam war came
13:38along
13:39and the left didn't want to fight the
13:41communists in vietnam so they stayed in
13:44the universities and became professors
13:47and they made this the curriculum
13:49uh cultural marxism is the menace that
13:52we
13:53face today it's pure racism identity
13:57politics it's also called pure racism
14:00black people good white people bad but
14:03of course it's not
14:04all black people that are good
14:07if they're conservatives then they're
14:09raised right
14:10traders
14:12but
14:12you know today's generations don't have
14:15the basic knowledge
14:17for example when i came out of the left
14:19um i i
14:21we we had been attacking america
14:24um and when i saw how evil the left was
14:27i took a second look at america um
14:30and i
14:32it was an ingenious
14:34political system they created of checks
14:36and balances
14:38and what i described it by new book the
14:40enemy within is how the democrat party
14:42you look at the democrat party over the
14:44last decade they are systematically
14:46destroying
14:48the american political system
14:51the system of checks and balances if you
14:53pack the supreme court
14:55you eliminate the independent judiciary
14:58and legislators
15:00not only appoint the supreme court
15:02justices but they
15:05they get to make any law they want
15:07unconstitutional or not
15:08they've attacked the
15:10voter id
15:12this is racist the democrats claim that
15:16poor black people are too stupid to get
15:19a photo id
15:21you can't get food stamps without a
15:23photo id you can't get welfare you can't
15:26get prescription drugs you can't get
15:28into the democrat convention
15:31and if it were actually the case which
15:33it's not since blacks are voting in
15:35record numbers
15:36that voter id was a problem the solution
15:39is really simple you set up a government
15:42agency to provide photo ids to any
15:44american who
15:47asks for one and deserves one that is
15:49their citizens they're not dead they
15:51haven't moved to another state the
15:53democrats never propose this they just
15:55want to eliminate voter id
15:57because they are determined to create a
16:00one-party state which is the last
16:03sentence of my book
16:04it's not about trump
16:07it's not about winning one election it's
16:09about establishing a one-party state
16:12and the term for these people is
16:15fascists or communists it's the same
16:17thing
16:18that's the appropriate term
16:20for nancy pelosi
16:22and uh and but in the biden white house
16:25they're
16:26they do what fascists do
16:28they attack they demonize their
16:30opponents
16:32if you're a republican according to
16:34nancy pelosi you're an enemy of the
16:36state
16:37how how much clearer do you need to hear
16:40it from them that they're fascists
16:43what happened on january 6 reminds me of
16:45the reichstag fire
16:48if you read trump's speech that he gave
16:50on january first of all trump asked in
16:53advance
16:54for he offered to provide 10 000 troops
16:57to guard the capital on january 6th
17:00because he knew it was a volatile
17:01situation he was turned down
17:04deliberately by nancy pelosi and the
17:06democrats so that there were no troops
17:08there
17:09the speech he gave said
17:11uh this was a rigged election which it
17:13obviously was
17:15it's a rigged election uh we need to
17:18challenge it and we have these weak
17:20republicans who won't have the
17:22cohonies to challenge it so you've got
17:24to go there and stiffen their spines
17:27and if and do it peacefully he said and
17:30patriotically and if you fail
17:33what do you have to do you must go home
17:35this is what he said you must go home
17:38and work to primary the weak republicans
17:42in the next election you couldn't have a
17:45clearer
17:47democratic voice with a small d
17:50then pelosi not only said that all
17:53republicans
17:55are enemies of the state but they they
17:58called this an armed insurrection they
18:00arrested something like 300 people no
18:04arms not one arm was found it was a
18:08it was a
18:09it was what the the democrats have been
18:11calling a peaceful protest
18:13uh rowdy but basically peaceful they
18:16didn't destroy a lot
18:18they're charred the legal charges
18:20against them
18:21are trespassing
18:23and they're still in jail
18:25five months later they're still in jail
18:29held without uh
18:32parole or whatever you call without bail
18:36because the democrats have this myth of
18:38an armed insurrection
18:40that they want to use to create a
18:43one-party state to so demonize the
18:45opposition they call for the expulsion
18:48of senators holly and cruz
18:51for questioning
18:52the election the democrats have
18:55questioned every
18:57republican victory in the national
18:59election since 1980
19:02including they have never accepted as
19:04legitimate the trump presidency
19:07so they're hypocrites they're liars but
19:09the most important thing is that they're
19:11fascists
19:12why do i say the reichstag fire the
19:15weimar republic was a democracy
19:18hitler was elected chancellor the first
19:21thing the nazis did was burn their own
19:24capital which was the rice tag then they
19:26blamed it on a dutch communist
19:29then they
19:31passed the reichstag fire act
19:34which
19:35criminalized their opponents and set the
19:38foundations for the third reich
19:40and i know this sounds inflammatory but
19:43it's dead-on accurate to what's
19:46happening in our country
19:48if you you look now that the jews are
19:50under attack from nazi palestinian nazis
19:54who openly call for the genocide of the
19:57jews the destruction of the israel and
20:00making it
20:02jew-free
20:03eudenrein which is what the nazis called
20:05it and you have in chicago yesterday
20:08demonstrations from these
20:11nazi leftists we have to start calling
20:14things by their right names the
20:16democrats call republicans enemies of
20:18the state
20:19armed insurrectionists traitors
20:23white supremacists
20:25racists
20:26and the mccarthy republicans are calling
20:29them
20:30liberals
20:31you can't win that battle as long as we
20:34don't use the proper language we're not
20:36going to be winning this battle and our
20:39country is at stake it's
20:41it's fast going
20:43it's eroding as we speak so david i want
20:46to get into a little bit of the detail
20:47of what you talked about there on
20:48january 6th and some of the details that
20:50you mentioned about the election so you
20:51suggested that the election is rigged i
20:53just wanted to dig a little deeper there
20:54as to what you mean by that so i don't
20:56see the evidence that fraud and
20:58irregularity are responsible for the
21:00vote outcome i've said that the election
21:02was rigged by the media that the media
21:04have obscured every single fact in that
21:06election cycle that the media blacked
21:08out all coverage of hunter biden for the
21:09last month of the election if they lied
21:11openly about what was going on with
21:13kovid they suggested andrew cuomo knew
21:14what he was doing but trump was somehow
21:16at fault for the vast wave of covid they
21:18suggested that trump was a vicious
21:20racist who was about to establish a
21:22tyrannical government despite
21:24no evidence that tyranny was on the way
21:26they suggested that he was a russian
21:28cat's paw that basically if you're
21:30talking about the sort of informal
21:31rigging of an election the media are the
21:33the political
21:35communications arm of the democratic
21:37party at this point and that's enough to
21:38twist an election uh when you say rig
21:40the election what exactly do you mean
21:42well
21:43in my book the enemy within i described
21:46what happened
21:47in july
21:49uh of 2020 about what is that six or
21:52seven or seven months out from the
21:53election
21:55the democrats sent 600 lawyers and 10
21:58000 volunteers into the 50 states
22:01to change the election laws
22:04so that it would
22:06to benefit themselves
22:08and what they did was unconstitutional
22:11for example in pennsylvania well first
22:13of all the constitution says the
22:15election laws
22:18are set up by each
22:20individual state it's a brilliant idea
22:22it decentralizes the power
22:25so the 50 state legislatures are
22:28supposed to set the rules in
22:30pennsylvania for example they changed
22:33the law so that the supreme court which
22:35was run by the democrats of pennsylvania
22:39they made the election laws and they did
22:41it
22:42in in a way that biased that
22:45there's about a million
22:474.4
22:49votes
22:51that were illegally cast because they
22:53were cast in contravention
22:56of the existing rules
22:58but with the new rules set up by the
23:00democrat supreme court
23:02um
23:05here's the thing nobody actually knows i
23:08i don't claim
23:09that the uh the election
23:12was decided
23:14by fraud i claimed that there was
23:16massive fraud committed during the
23:18election
23:19we we cannot say for certain and
23:21certainly the democrats when they accuse
23:23anybody who questions the election of
23:25treason are
23:26talking through their hats because there
23:28has been no audit
23:31none of the election result and that's
23:34because of the war the democrats have
23:36conducted
23:37against every effort
23:39to actually recount the votes and look
23:42at what actually
23:44happened
23:45trump got 10 million more votes than he
23:48got the first time despite all the
23:50slander of the media
23:52biden
23:53couldn't hold a uh demonstrating
23:56campaign from his basement he's an
23:59advanced case of alzheimer's
24:01everybody knows it
24:03he's ah he's being manipulated as
24:06president by somebody has to ask
24:08permission to answer reporters questions
24:11come on
24:12this guy who couldn't assemble a crowd
24:15of larger than 100 people
24:17while trump was assembling crowds of 50
24:20000
24:21in little towns like butler pennsylvania
24:24population 1240
24:27and we're asked to believe
24:29that joe biden
24:31got 16
24:33million more votes than obama did at his
24:36peak
24:37so
24:38any reasonable person and there's so
24:41many other facts that have come out
24:42about this but any and i've listed them
24:45a lot of them in in my book the enemy
24:47within
24:49um
24:50you you have to be smoking something to
24:52think that that election is not
24:54problematic
24:55and basically that's what republicans
24:58are saying that is you know trump
25:00as he should as a as a leader as the the
25:03person who was
25:04probably deprived lets me put it that
25:06way of the presidency
25:09but certainly the subject of
25:11massive
25:12irregularities he has every right to
25:15claim that it was fraudulent but it's a
25:17claim
25:18the democrats have no right to claim
25:20that there was no fraud because that's
25:23just demonstrably a lie
25:25so david when you talked about january
25:276th obviously the response by the
25:29democrats to january 6th from my view
25:31regardless of what you think of january
25:326th and i thought that it was a horrible
25:34sight to see people invading the capital
25:36um i thought that you know the the
25:39language of insurrection uh was a
25:41bizarre use of the term considering that
25:43there was no institutional support for
25:45anything that was done there in fact the
25:46election was certified later that day by
25:48the same republicans who were supposedly
25:50aiding in the insurrection cruz and
25:52holly voted to certify the election that
25:53same day
25:55putting aside january 6th for a second
25:57the authoritarian left's move against
25:59freedom of speech in the aftermath of
26:01that is the thing that alarms me
26:03significantly more than than 200 300
26:06misguided people invading the capital in
26:08defiance of what trump actually said
26:10the fact is that they knocked parlor
26:11offline uh they decided that they were
26:13going to start in the media openly
26:15militating uh for the for fox news to be
26:18removed from the air uh they started
26:20suggesting that advertisers needed to
26:22pull from every single conservative
26:24oriented show
26:25and and then they started pushing
26:27forward with with things like hr one
26:29which is a comp that actually is an
26:30attempt to rig elections by federalizing
26:32all election procedures up to it
26:33including ballot harvesting they want to
26:35legislate what they actually did in this
26:38last election
26:39to federalize it
26:41is a
26:42tremendous blow at the structure of our
26:44country which is a federalist country we
26:47we have 50 states making election laws
26:50so if you have one or two or three
26:52corrupt states you still
26:55have an election that's
26:57got integrity mainly but if you put it
27:00all in washington and you put it in the
27:02hands of the democrats forget it but
27:05they've been waging a war against the
27:06first amendment uh you know since
27:10trump's nomination actually before that
27:12but certainly since trump's dominant you
27:14know look
27:15to go back to where it really started
27:17they called bush hitler
27:20you can't in a democracy if you demonize
27:23your opponents if you call them
27:25hitlerites
27:27um
27:30it's it's the end you can't have a
27:32dialogue they
27:34they boycotted the trump presidency they
27:37called him a white supremacist trump
27:39was known to every american practically
27:42for 30 years nobody ever
27:44before he ran against a democrat nobody
27:47ever said
27:48introduced him as here's donald trump uh
27:51host of the apprentice and a white
27:54supremacist
27:55that is to demonize and
27:59silence
28:01all the opposition that's not democratic
28:04and then and it's it's like i said it's
28:07just systematic the electoral college is
28:10the same thing the
28:12voter id the packing of the supreme
28:14court they want to abolish the senate
28:17um
28:18dingle
28:19charles i forget his first name but he
28:21was the longest serving
28:24john dingle right longest serving
28:27congressman ever
28:29last act was to write an article calling
28:32for the abolition of the senate and if
28:34you listen to those media liars like
28:37o'donnell
28:39uh
28:40if you listen to them
28:42they say this that of course the senate
28:44is undemocratic wyoming with 500 000
28:47people has two senators and so does
28:49california with whatever it is 40
28:52million
28:53that was the idea
28:55of the founding we are a republic we're
28:58not a one-person one-vote democracy
29:02and there was a reason for that and it's
29:05the founders were absolutely brilliant
29:08they put sovereignty in the hands of the
29:10people because they understand
29:12that individuals can be corrupt
29:15and therefore a monarch can be a very
29:17dangerous
29:19leader a ruler
29:21so they put sovereignty in the hands of
29:23the people but because
29:25actually as
29:26readers of the
29:28judeo-christian bible
29:30they knew that the problem
29:33the so the problem the source of all
29:35social problems is not race it's not
29:38gender it's us
29:41it's individuals
29:42people are corrupt
29:44and therefore you have to put a check on
29:46you know hitler was elected people
29:50they the founders understood the danger
29:52of pure democracy so they put in the
29:56system of checks and balances which
29:59kids are not being taught anymore
30:00they're just being taught about
30:02imaginary white racism
30:04in school and
30:06gender fluidity that that's that's the
30:08curriculum now in our schools
30:11but the founders understood the basic
30:14problem
30:15is individuals
30:17and and you know it's mind-boggling to
30:20me because now we have all these
30:23television programs you know about
30:26murders almost every channel
30:29you see how horrible people are
30:34that's the problem how do you control
30:36that
30:37and the democrats are dismantling
30:40and
30:41dedicated to dismantling the system
30:44that has worked you know for 240 years
30:48or whatever however long we've been here
30:51so let's talk about the democratic party
30:52so it used to be that the democratic
30:54party was the party of harry truman or
30:55the party of scoop jackson or more
30:57recently the party of joe lieberman to a
30:59certain extent
31:00and now they seem to have completely
31:02lost their moorings nancy pelosi who was
31:04a
31:04fringe left-wing figure is now the
31:06speaker of the house chuck schumer who
31:08was a fringe left-wing figure is now the
31:10senate majority leader and joe biden who
31:13is basically just an empty suit at this
31:15point i mean they're just wheeling him
31:16around i is is supposedly running the
31:19show but it's fairly obvious that the
31:20democratic party has become
31:21extraordinarily radical that the
31:23radicals from the 1960s entered all the
31:25halls of power so what happened to the
31:26democratic party yeah kavala harris grew
31:29up in a family of marxists
31:32bernie sanders is a lifelong supporter
31:34of communist atrocities as the head of
31:37the budget committee we could go on and
31:39on
31:39um i
31:41i i've written this in several books
31:44but where it started to go bad was at
31:47the democrat convention in 1968
31:50when tom hayden organized a riot
31:54to destroy the electoral chances of
31:56hubert humphrey who had been lyndon
31:58johnson's vice president
32:00and was the democrat nominee for
32:02president they hated humphrey with
32:06a 95 ada liberal he was down the line
32:10uh
32:12liberal leftist
32:14but he was an anti-communist
32:16and that was their sin
32:18the left wanted the communists to win
32:21the cold war what can i say
32:24that's where the left is they hate
32:26america and they are either
32:30stupid
32:31or blind they're blinded by their hatred
32:34of america just the way they're blinded
32:35by their hatred of trump
32:37to see the reality
32:39of the threats that face us
32:42um
32:44after that riot humphrey lost the
32:46election to nixon
32:48and then tom hayden and jane fonda led
32:51the left which had been
32:53trying to burn down the country there
32:54were many many bombings
32:57in the late 60s and early 70s they led
33:00these leftists who were trying to
33:02destroy the country into the democrat
33:04party
33:05uh during the mcgovern campaign because
33:07mcgovern had started with a you know the
33:10pro-communist henry wallace that's where
33:12he started his political career
33:14um
33:15and the theme his theme of his campaign
33:18was america come home like we were the
33:20problem
33:22instead of the solution um
33:25and they created these leftist caucuses
33:28the black caucus which is a farrakhanite
33:30racist caucus now
33:32a clyburn who
33:35james clyburn
33:36who made
33:39single-handedly almost uh biden the
33:42nominee
33:43is a farrakhan lover
33:45the most notorious racist anti-semite
33:49semite
33:50anti-gay bigot in the country louis
33:53farrakhan who
33:54from tehran has chanted death to america
33:59uh clyburn is an admirer of his
34:02um so over the next 50 years that left
34:06infiltrated the democrat party and they
34:08were helped by their control of the
34:10universities which has been now 30
34:1430 years and turning it into a marxist
34:17training camp
34:18our premier universities harvard yale et
34:21cetera princeton whatever
34:23um
34:25they infiltrated the democrat party
34:28and changed it um and their success came
34:31with the election of barack obama who
34:34has the same background i do he was
34:36raised by communists
34:38he was actually mentored by a soviet
34:40agent
34:41um and the difference between us is that
34:43i saw that it was an evil movement
34:46and wanted to warn people
34:49of the dangers from it and
34:52barack obama never left the communists
34:54left they made his career i've
34:58written about this as well
35:00paul kanger has written about it uh
35:03stanley kurtz
35:04uh
35:05made the communist left made barack
35:08obama's career and he didn't come out
35:10with the baloney
35:12uh you know that if she's neither left
35:15the right and we're all americans and
35:17all that
35:19baloney
35:21until he became a national figure and
35:23that's when he distanced himself
35:26to save his skin from
35:28jeremiah wright are raving
35:31anti-american communists so there's
35:34really no mystery about what's happened
35:36to the democrat party and the left is
35:38very intimidating they've got 61 percent
35:41of democrats believing that all
35:43republicans are racists
35:45that's
35:46and as i say republicans are firing back
35:49by calling them liberals or saying
35:51they're playing with politics they're
35:53not playing people so david one of the
35:56things that has been pursued obviously
35:57by the left is that they do think in
35:59institutional terms the right has a real
36:01problem thinking in institutional terms
36:03probably because for conservatives
36:05politics is really about treating
36:06individuals as individuals all of our
36:08all of our political views are rooted in
36:10the idea that you're supposed to treat
36:11individuals individually with with as
36:13human beings endowed with particular
36:14rights the left however is very focused
36:17on taking over institutions and then
36:18shaping human beings from the top down
36:21uh
36:22how does treating everybody as a as a
36:25collectivity
36:27just the way communists and nazis do
36:30your group identity is more important
36:33than who you actually are as an
36:35individual
36:36this is the most destructive
36:39ideology you can imagine
36:42and that's what they're about you know
36:44joe biden one of the first things he
36:46said and that this is the theme of his
36:47administration
36:50he said
36:51that
36:52uh systemic racism
36:56touches every aspect of american life
36:59that is a monstrous
37:01lie
37:02worthy of xi jinping
37:05or of the iranian mullahs or putin
37:07himself
37:10there is no syst the only systemic
37:12racism in america is affirmative action
37:15and to get that through they they had to
37:18get a pass from the supreme court
37:20as a special case
37:22because systemic racism was outlawed in
37:261964
37:27by then by the civil rights act
37:30it's illegal
37:32if there were actually systemic racism
37:34and police departments across the
37:36country
37:38there would be a tsunami of lawsuits
37:40wouldn't there
37:42first they'd have to fire all those
37:44black police chiefs
37:46to have a semblance of reality but there
37:49would be these lawsuits that would be
37:51open and shut if there was systemic
37:53racism there is there are no such
37:55lawsuits because there is no systemic
37:58racism throughout the rest of america
38:01it's a it's an invention of a fascist
38:05party
38:06to destroy its opposition and establish
38:09a one-party state
38:11that's what the democrats are about
38:14that's the theme of my book the enemy
38:16within how a totalitarian movement is
38:19destroying america
38:20how do you think that the right fights
38:22back against this because again it's not
38:23just from government uh it's it's in
38:26academia it's in the corporations i mean
38:27i think that the right thought for
38:29decades that the corporate world was
38:30going to be free market oriented and it
38:32turns out that now the corporate world
38:34is indoctrinating its own employees in
38:36the same sort of critical race theory
38:37that the universities were
38:38indoctrinating their students with in
38:40the late 1980s early 1990s
38:43yeah because people respond to
38:45demonization and pressure
38:47they they head for the tall grass
38:50ceos of corporations don't want to lose
38:52customers they're not brave people it's
38:55an extortion racket when i came into the
38:58right
38:5940 years ago the first thing i said what
39:02looked around and said was where's the
39:04ground army
39:06my ex-comrades on the left have hundreds
39:10if not thousands of organizations whose
39:13business
39:14is threatening politicians and
39:16corporations
39:18uh intimidating them uh
39:21you know
39:22jackson and sharpton made careers out of
39:25racial extortion you go to a beer
39:27company and say give us 10 million
39:30dollars
39:31or we're going to call you racist and
39:33boycott you
39:34uh and
39:35that was told to me by a witness of that
39:38happening bob beckel
39:39uh not that he will say it publicly
39:42where are the where are the conservative
39:45organizations grassroots well donald
39:48trump has given the conservative
39:49movement and the country a great gift
39:52because he has created the first
39:55mass conservative movement
39:57in our history
40:00it's
40:01clearly numbered in the millions but
40:03just if you just think of the hundreds
40:04of thousands of people who turned out
40:06for his campaign rallies
40:08that's
40:10that that's the basic army that can
40:13uh
40:14save our country they get
40:17conservatives need to get in the face of
40:20these teachers
40:22look what the teacher unions have done
40:25they they've damaged the lives of
40:27millions
40:28of k-12 kids
40:30because they don't want they don't want
40:32to teach they just want to collect their
40:34paychecks you've got to go in the face
40:36of the teachers of the principles of the
40:39school boards
40:40why isn't there a sit-in
40:43at twitter headquarters or facebook
40:46making their lives miserable and
40:48exposing to them
40:50the press will flock to it and you can
40:53tell the whole country what censors they
40:56are and what fascists they are basically
40:59uh and with hypocrites as we know they
41:01let
41:02iranian mullahs preach the death of
41:04america on their sites
41:07while banning the president of the
41:09united states i mean
41:11what greater act of censorship is there
41:14than to de-platform the president of the
41:17united states which they've done so what
41:20conservatives have to do is they have to
41:22start being more aggressive
41:25calling things by their right names use
41:28words like fascist when it's fascistic
41:31it's fascist it's racist
41:35to demonize your opponents
41:37with no evidence whatsoever to call
41:40republica what happened on january 6 an
41:43armed insurrection
41:45is the way fascists deploy politics
41:48not
41:50you know americans not
41:53small d democrats
41:55they don't do that they're polite that's
41:58what the collegiality is about used to
42:00be in the congress bipartisanship
42:03how could you be bipartisan with it with
42:06a party that you're calling enemies of
42:08the state
42:09you can't
42:10but no you know and it's true that the
42:12media is a bunch of liars they all what
42:16happened to the media is that in the old
42:18days
42:19uh reporters actually never went to
42:21college
42:23they went out on the streets and they
42:25reported what they saw but these
42:27journalism schools have been corrupt for
42:2930 years
42:31you know i i had lunch with the
42:34chairman of the journalism department as
42:37a decent left up center
42:40a left or center person
42:42um and i asked him i said michael d
42:46do you have any conservatives on your
42:48journalism faculty he said i can't think
42:51of one i said do you think that's a good
42:53idea for training journalists or for
42:55education in the first place not to to
42:59have purged all conservatives he said no
43:01i don't i said what can you do about it
43:04he said nothing because the professors
43:06hire themselves
43:08and that's been going on for 30 years i
43:10can tell you the columbia school of
43:12journalism is the same way nyu it's the
43:15same way
43:16all these elite institutions are
43:18one-party states the unit you know this
43:20better than anyone been what one party
43:23states the universities are if a
43:25conservative appears on campus it gets
43:28boycotted by professors and the left
43:30comes into his event and turns it into a
43:33circus and the administrators think it's
43:36funny
43:37so david let's talk a little bit about
43:39you know how you got to be david hortz
43:40obviously now you're sort of the the one
43:43of the grandfathers of the modern
43:44conservative movement um but again you
43:46started off in sort of a communist
43:48family what was it like growing up a
43:49communist
43:50well i
43:52looking you know i've had a pretty
43:54successful life so i i can't complain
43:58uh my parents were very decent people i
44:01mean i don't think my mother ever got a
44:02traffic ticket
44:04but of course they hid a
44:07an east german communist
44:09in the basement whom the
44:11country was trying to deport to port
44:15so that they were part of a
44:16conspiratorial movement and everything
44:18everyone we knew
44:20um and trusted was a communist as well
44:24um
44:26it you know it gave me a passion for
44:29social justice and then i had a rude
44:32awakening when i was
44:34editing that
44:36ramparts magazine the largest magazine
44:38of the new left
44:40and the panthers murdered
44:42they not only murdered this
44:44mother of three children
44:46um
44:48and threatened me
44:50but all my friends
44:52said you know i would say i to my close
44:55friends i think the panthers murdered
44:58betty
44:59and they would say the white power
45:01structure did it
45:03which is the way leftists think they
45:05think in terms of
45:06anything that takes away individual
45:08responsibilities structures
45:11races classes
45:14um
45:15and i got an appreciation it occurred to
45:18me
45:19i went into a serious personal crisis
45:22i was i think clinically depressed for
45:25seven years after that
45:27but in that crisis i try to rethink
45:31everything uh including my attitude
45:34towards america and what i saw was for
45:36example that that in america you had a
45:40figure say like j edgar hoover
45:43who
45:44was an american hero i mean you know
45:47he was an icon
45:49and then there were revelations about
45:52him um his corruptions and so forth
45:56and now nobody thinks of j edgar hoover
45:58as an icon anymore so i saw that
46:01you know you can't prevent oil and
46:02justice the world is an unjust place
46:07but you can remedy some of the
46:10injustices within the american system
46:13the left still thinks that the rosenberg
46:15spies
46:17were innocent they never they never
46:19reevaluate the left never looks back
46:22and takes responsibility or the two and
46:25a half million peasants they cause to be
46:27slaughtered in
46:28in no china you'll have leaders of the
46:31democratic party boast about
46:33being on the periphery of the so-called
46:36anti-war movement to this day
46:38so the left never gets to look at what
46:40it does and i you know the
46:43what's happened in the way is the time
46:46the time frame has collapsed
46:48so the left now the democrats they don't
46:50see what they did yesterday
46:53like accusing the republicans of treason
46:55for questioning election
46:58when in the previous election
47:01raskin who led the impeachment
47:03of trump
47:05he was in the well of the house
47:08protesting the certification of the
47:10electors
47:11in the trump election
47:13they don't seem to remember what
47:14happened yesterday let alone 20 years
47:17ago
47:17david how did your parents become
47:19communists because
47:20your story really isn't just you moving
47:22from communist to non-communist it's
47:24it's almost a generational story of
47:26of sorts i've written it i i wrote a
47:29book called radical son which tells this
47:31whole story but my
47:32my father was a very weak
47:35person
47:36and being a communist gave him strength
47:39and you can see that with a lot of
47:41airheads
47:42on the left these days
47:44they
47:45you know
47:46without the ideology uh
47:49okay uh ocasio-cortez what would she be
47:53i mean she'd be a bartender
47:55she's an airhead uh and they're all so
47:58shallow
47:59in the radical caucus in the
48:02democratic house
48:04um so the the
48:07joining this
48:08and it's an international
48:11um movement
48:13uh all over the world there are
48:15totalitarians posing as communists or
48:18fascists or
48:20islamic nazis
48:24and they get a lot of power by doing it
48:26they think they're changing you hear
48:28them say all the time they're on the
48:30right side of history history doesn't
48:32have a side you know uh the 20th century
48:36is probably one of the worst centuries
48:38on record
48:39in terms of human atrocities
48:42it's not like there's a a progression
48:45they love this phrase
48:47that the arc of the
48:49universe has been towards justice no
48:51it's not it's not been in any way that
48:54human beings can relate to
48:56it just it is
48:58um so they get pumped up i call it they
49:01get intoxicated you know and it's all in
49:03genesis
49:04we think adam and eve
49:07uh
49:08were given paradise it was better than
49:11the green new deal you didn't die you
49:13didn't have pain in childbirth you
49:14didn't have to work the fruit fell from
49:17the trees but there was one condition of
49:19staying there and that was you did not
49:22do evil
49:23but eating of the tree of the knowledge
49:25of good and evil is exactly what
49:28adam and eve did and and who seduced
49:31them the devil and what did the devil
49:32say
49:33if you eat of that tree you shall be as
49:36gods
49:37and that's the way the left is
49:39intoxicated it's intoxicated on its own
49:42sense of recreating the world
49:45how
49:46arrogant and stupid
49:49is that
49:51the world has been the same human beings
49:53have acted the same way
49:55for five thousand years you couldn't
49:58read the iliad or the bible for that
50:00matter and recognize the people in it if
50:03if we had changed
50:06you know i mean after
50:07in genesis the next story is about
50:10the first crime brother killing brother
50:13it's all there it hasn't changed and the
50:17effort to change the world is what has
50:19caused over a hundred million people to
50:22be killed
50:23by progressives
50:25in the last hundred years or so
50:28um
50:30and and what did they produce for all
50:32those deaths nothing
50:34totalitarian regimes
50:36massive gulags where
50:38dissenters were incarcerated and if you
50:41don't think these democrats
50:43are
50:44ready to put
50:46conservatives in re-education camps
50:49you've got another thing coming you
50:51haven't been listening to what they've
50:52been saying so david you were there for
50:55for a lot of the sort of seminal moments
50:56of the 1960s particularly from the
50:59perspective of the left you were you
51:00were at berkeley uh you were working at
51:03ramparts what was it like from the
51:05inside because everything has now been
51:06given this sort of sepia tone i mean
51:08just in the last year the oscars
51:09nominated two separate films trying to
51:11recast the 1960s as a as a time of
51:13wonder and joy there was a full movie
51:15about the chicago seven louding the
51:17chicago seven there's another movie
51:18about the black panther party louding
51:20the black panther party what was it
51:22actually like on the inside there there
51:23were two
51:25um
51:2560s movements
51:27one was the hippie movement which was
51:30i you know was relatively benign except
51:32for all the people
51:34who ended or ruined their lives on drugs
51:38but the attitude was great flower power
51:41and all that
51:43um
51:44then there was the political movement
51:46and there was a movement to rescue
51:48communism from the taint it had received
51:52when the
51:53khrushchev revealed that stalin had
51:55killed so many communists
51:58uh he left out the other victims but
52:01the socialism was in bad odor then
52:05and so the new left set out to
52:07redeem
52:08the socialist fantasy
52:11but you can't redeem it
52:13if human beings set out to
52:16recreate the word if they think they can
52:18change the world look if you believed
52:20that you could end racism sexism
52:22homophobia poverty war
52:26what lie would you not tell
52:28what crime would you not commit or
52:30support
52:31to achieve that
52:33that's
52:34that that's why they are so immoral and
52:38evil
52:39because they have a justification for
52:41any crime you can imagine
52:44and they
52:45you know that they give even you know uh
52:48just to bring it down to a
52:50lurid level
52:52i mean how do you think that harvey
52:53weinstein and
52:55jeffrey epstein function in liberal
52:57circles
52:58it's because they don't give a damn
53:00about human beings
53:02they think they do it's all in their
53:05heads
53:06why would you defund the police who are
53:08the only protection that inner city
53:11minorities have
53:12why would you open the southern border
53:14and let in all the coronavirus
53:17the carriers and the criminals and the
53:19drug traffickers and the sex traffickers
53:22and the child abusers why would you do
53:25that
53:27because you have this fantasy that
53:29uh the reason we have borders is because
53:31we're racists and we can create a new
53:34world if we end our racism
53:37you know it's it's stupefying even to
53:41try to repeat what they think so david
53:43in just one second i want to ask what
53:45sort of blow back you received when you
53:46made the transition to the right two
53:48things one is
53:49i lost every for every friend that i had
53:52in life from the time i was a kid
53:55every last one turned against me because
53:58they don't have
54:00human these human connections
54:02i just lost a friend of 70 years ron raj
54:06who who wants to sick the irs on me
54:10why because i questioned the election
54:12result
54:1470-year friendship thrown out
54:18over a political idea that's what
54:21totalitarians do that's what they are
54:24the ideas are more important than the
54:26human relationships
54:28uh the second thing is
54:31uh
54:32what peter and i had peter collier and i
54:35we had run ramparts together and we
54:38transitioned out of the left together
54:40and we wrote a cover story
54:43for where the washington post which
54:46at the time which they
54:49titled
54:50was their sunday magazine lefties for
54:52reagan
54:53our title was better run than red
54:56and uh
54:58when that happened peter who was a
55:00realist i was much more of a romantic
55:03peter said to me our literary careers
55:06are over we had been the toast of the
55:08town number one bestseller for seven
55:10weeks on the new york times list
55:12wined and dined
55:14uh and attended by the media
55:17um
55:18you know when we were attacked by the
55:20ken it was a book about the kennedys by
55:22the kennedys
55:24the post considered us important enough
55:26to assign woodward
55:28uh to
55:30examine the story and give us a clean
55:32bill of
55:33of health but peter turned to me when
55:35our article
55:36lefties for reagan appeared and said our
55:39literary careers are over
55:41and i thought he was nuts
55:44you know but
55:47there was a lot of truth in that
55:49uh i don't get reviewed in the new york
55:52times or the washington post i used to
55:53be front page
55:55uh of the book sections don't get
55:58reviewed i'm an unperson i get slandered
56:01and i can't correct the slanders
56:04um
56:06it just it all changed
56:08uh
56:10i think things are getting better for
56:12conservatives although the censorship
56:15team is out there in a big way
56:18but
56:19conservatives have now created their own
56:21institutions when i came into the right
56:24there were
56:25not that many certainly no combat
56:27institutions
56:29no you know
56:31aggressive
56:32conservative media institutions
56:35that's all changed uh conservatives are
56:37now in the culture and fighting in the
56:40culture and that's great
56:41so david i was going to ask you a little
56:43bit earlier about you know whether there
56:45is any hope coming from sort of center
56:48and people who are who are actual
56:49liberals you know people who may
56:50disagree with you or with me on tax
56:52rates uh or may disagree on the role of
56:54government and health care but still are
56:56fundamentally committed to certain basic
56:59individual liberty principles
57:00it seems like an open question to me so
57:02i wanted to get your take on it
57:03they are collected on substack.com
57:07but like
57:08glenn greenwald just to
57:10you know tear into me and call me all
57:12kinds of names
57:14and i recently emailed him and said i
57:17have to say even though you said harsh
57:19things about me
57:20i admire your courage uh and
57:24determination to
57:25you know fight for our individual
57:27liberties he's been a a warrior on that
57:29front matt to eb
57:32who i wrote a whole book ridiculing
57:35trump
57:36uh has also been i mean he
57:38he wrote an article called the permanent
57:40coup
57:41about what the democrats were doing to
57:43trump even though he doesn't think much
57:45of trump
57:46so those are two
57:49and you know jonathan turley has been
57:52pretty good on legal issues and alan
57:56dershowitz
57:58you know both of them democrats
58:01but they're
58:03small voices in the
58:05you know or few voices because
58:08dershowitz has a big voice and so does
58:10turley
58:11but
58:12there aren't a lot i mean it's very
58:14disappointing i i think
58:16that
58:17you know if you're thinking of elected
58:19officials most of them are intimidated
58:22pelosi is ruthless
58:24and will destroy their careers
58:27um
58:28but i i can't believe that
58:31if if democrats are confronted
58:34you know if they if if there are two
58:36sides to a question that they won't be
58:38shaken
58:40there have got to be some good democrats
58:42out there i'm not talking about the
58:43voters who
58:45are not aware of most of these issues
58:48i'm talking about the leaders but it's
58:50very disappointing not to have a
58:52democrat
58:53stand up and condemn the
58:56impeachments of trump
58:59black lives matter called january 6
59:02a white supremacist
59:04coup
59:06you you know if you listen even to these
59:08people uh
59:10patrice calor is the co-founder of black
59:13lives matter is a sociopath just read
59:16her biography she's a sociopath and a
59:18racist
59:20and and you know a defender of criminals
59:23they lie about
59:25but
59:26you know i you don't have to actually do
59:29a lot of research you just look what
59:30happened in ohio when that cop saved the
59:33life of a black teen
59:35who was in the process of being stabbed
59:37to death by
59:38another black
59:40who said
59:41i'm going to effing stab you to death
59:45that's on video
59:47and they call the cop a murderer because
59:49he's white and the murderer he killed is
59:53black these are disgusting people
59:56black lives matter
59:58you know jason whitlock has said it's
1:00:00the ku klux klan
1:00:02jason whitlock is a black brilliant
1:00:04sports commentator
1:00:06but that that's what it is
1:00:08so david in a second i want to ask you a
1:00:10few final questions i want to talk with
1:00:11you particularly about sort of your
1:00:13spiritual journey because you've moved
1:00:15uh in in sort of an interesting
1:00:16direction spiritually over the course of
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1:00:32thanks so much for joining the show
1:00:33really appreciate it thanks for having
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