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0:00I'm trying to build people up I'm trying
0:01to armor their mind I'm trying to get
0:03them the belief because this world we
0:05live in is tough it will beat you down
0:07the world and the life that we live in
0:09is the ultimate competitor it will try
0:11to take you out it will find your
0:12weakness and it will just Hammer you if
0:15I can help you build belief build
0:17confidence to the point where nothing
0:20can hurt you because you know exactly
0:21who you
0:25are David Goggins welcome to the show
0:28hey man I appreciate you having me
0:29brother thank you thank you for being
0:30here where have you been for the last
0:32four years you've been jumping out of
0:34helicopters and fighting fires and what
0:35have you been doing well I did that last
0:37year right I guess this year I did that
0:39but I just I just do me you know I'm out
0:42there running working out and uh just
0:46trying to find out more of what this is
0:47all about trying to find out more of
0:48what I'm all about so that takes me
0:51getting away you know I'm not about even
0:54doing these podcasts man so not nothing
0:56against you but I'm I'm not about all
0:59this stuff I'm not one that likes to
1:01hear himself talk a lot um I'm about
1:05action and action means less talking and
1:09more doing so that's where I've been
1:13what is that smoke jumping stuff so
1:15basically it's um you know about
1:17Wildland firefighting about when the
1:20forest has fires there's a lot of times
1:23there's roads and there's access to get
1:25there so these you know whether it be a
1:30um hot shot crew or whatever these
1:32different Crews who come in by vehicle
1:34they can get into the fire that way what
1:37a smoke jumper is is you can't get a
1:39vehicle into that place it is a spot
1:42where it's tight there's no vehicles
1:45there's no access so they'll send us in
1:48there smoke jumpers jump out of
1:49airplanes and we'll land in these really
1:52tight small Drop Zones with all of our
1:54gear and we'll put the fire out how do
1:58you take Walter in we jump out so
2:00everything is hang on you're jumping out
2:02of a airplane parachute with backpacks
2:06of water like a camel pack type thing so
2:08we'll jump out we'll have this it's
2:10called a diddy pack and it and it sits
2:12in you know it sits like by your waist
2:15you know yep on your legs area when you
2:17jump out and that has a lot of your gear
2:20but what happens is once you jump out
2:22the aircraft would go lower and it will
2:24push out all the rest of your gear your
2:27water pumps oh and that'll get add with
2:30own little
2:31parachut so a lot of our main gear gets
2:33dropped into us and then we're out there
2:36for several days until the fire is put
2:37out by us and only
2:39us that's insane it's insane yeah why'
2:43you do that well when I left the
2:45military um you're I'm always looking
2:47for more I'm always looking for what's
2:49the next thing for myself how can I grow
2:52and that right there was the next thing
2:54for me you know I didn't want to sit
2:57back and you know just enjoy my
2:58retirement for the military that's
3:01there's there there's no growth in that
3:03so I decided to go out and do this so
3:06you jump out of an airplan with a team
3:09you get your kit also parachuted out of
3:11the back you're now in the middle of an
3:13area where there's no Evac there's no
3:17vehicles that can come and get you m
3:19there's a fire mhm you need to put the
3:21fire out and you don't stop until you're
3:23done that's it sometimes there is a way
3:26to get out but a lot of times it's just
3:29you know if someone gets hurt on the
3:31jump a lot of times we have to build
3:34like cut down a bunch of trees so a
3:35helicopter can come in land and get them
3:37out so we are the only access we have to
3:41save ourselves so a lot of times we are
3:45the team to get us in and to get us out
3:48what was the
3:49longest Mission exercise that you did I
3:52think the longest one I did was seven
3:53days so and what's the sort of daily
3:55routine are you sleeping do you get much
3:57sleep at all no not really so what
3:58happens is and the thing about being in
4:00Canada so I do this out of uh out of
4:02British Columbia so what happens is
4:05there's a lot of
4:06daylight when I'm so when I'm out there
4:09man there's a lot of daylight in the
4:11middle of the summer when it's Hest when
4:12you've got tons of right okay that's
4:14right so there's not much there's not
4:16much dark so you're basically working a
4:19lot of hours so and then when it gets
4:21dark you're actually working through the
4:22nighttime and then you get a little you
4:24know you get a little rest and you wake
4:25up and you're at it again and then when
4:27the fire is out you Patrol the fire fire
4:30make sure there's no more hot spots make
4:32sure everything is black and wet cuz we
4:35we literally wet the whole area down so
4:38there's no hot spots and then when
4:40that's all done we'll demob which means
4:43we'll clean up all the stuff all our
4:45hoses you know we'll we'll pack up all
4:47our stuff and then we'll we'll get out
4:49of there did you ask to be paid for this
4:51I I get about I think the the the pay is
4:55about 12 to 15 bucks an
4:57hour so it was about it man like when I
5:00first started doing this job um people
5:05didn't know that you know I'm actually
5:09successful in business and then it
5:11realized that I was like basically
5:13turned down millions of dollars to do
5:17this job and they can continue thinking
5:19it to make 15 bucks an hour to make 15
5:21bucks an hour so yeah but you know like
5:24I said for me the the the whole money
5:27part of it it's it's it's not with about
5:30I'm all about that growth and and that
5:32growth isn't in these massive paychecks
5:35for speaking to corporations stuff like
5:37that the growth for me is in that 12 to
5:39$15 an hour when you're out there and
5:41it's like 20 you know 20 degrees and
5:45you're freezing your ass off and you're
5:46thinking you know what I don't need to
5:48be here
5:49anymore and you start questioning
5:51yourself why you're here and there's a
5:53lot of growth in that why did you decide
5:56to release another book what Was undone
5:58with the first one well the first one
6:00was basically um a bachelor's degree
6:04with the mind that's how I look at it
6:06and no one knew who I was so this is the
6:08book never finished as the book that I
6:10wanted to come out first but how am I
6:13going to get so deep into something when
6:15no one Els who the hell I am so first I
6:18have to give you some backstory on who
6:19the hell David Goggins is some
6:20credentials that's it and so I got some
6:23basic credentials out there and now I
6:26can dive in more because most people
6:27think I'm just some Grand animal who
6:28runs and yells and just says [ __ ] and
6:31mother [ __ ] all the time and that's
6:33nowhere near the truth that's maybe what
6:36they see in a one minute video and
6:38that's what people believe but there's a
6:40lot of thought behind a person being a
6:44Bor and loser becoming who I am today
6:47you don't just wake up and just Rocky
6:50the [ __ ] you gotta wake up and think
6:52about you know there's a process to
6:53getting better and that process is never
6:57finished it's an appropriate title so
7:00one of the things I've been thinking
7:01about is the danger of success making
7:03you soft and this must be something that
7:06you've battled with over the last few
7:08years right more money more attention
7:11more Fame more free things if you wanted
7:13more opportunities to go places and do
7:14stuff with people right how have you
7:17dealt with this battle of success not
7:19making you soft you have to cap it you
7:22have to learn to cap success so what I
7:25do is like right now I don't like doing
7:28podcasts there's a lot of things I don't
7:30do I have to do now to get the messes
7:32out there to help people out and what I
7:34mean by capping success I believe
7:36everybody should live their life so
7:39everything that someone says in life
7:41take it with a grain of salt take what
7:44they give and don't be like oh David
7:47Goin said this or whoever said this
7:49no do not take what I say and do exactly
7:53what I say so for me what makes me who I
7:57am because my mission is very different
7:58than yours anybody else's I have to go
8:01into a situation
8:03okay I'm a guy who wants to make people
8:07better for people to get better I have
8:10to continuously get better myself for me
8:13to do that I can't just say oh I have
8:16this resume the resume is there forever
8:19I'm
8:20good I have to cap My Success because
8:23for me to help people out I can't just
8:25say I did it once and I'm good I have to
8:29continue to reinvent the will of the
8:31mind and figure out more and more ways
8:34for you to pull because if I have a
8:36cookie cutter message it may hit five
8:38people out of 25 you just
8:42failed my message needs to be in a way
8:45where I can hit all 25 people it needs
8:48to be broad enough to where all 25
8:51people may not like the message but
8:53they're getting something from it and
8:55that is evolution you must continue to
8:58evolve and and you don't evolve for me
9:01in my job unless I cap myself somewhere
9:03and say okay you made this much money
9:06get back to [ __ ] work it's time to
9:08get back to work stop hearing yourself
9:11talk get off the podcast don't be on
9:13social media too much cut out all the
9:15[ __ ] noise get back to the [ __ ]
9:17mental lab because that's where the
9:19knowledge came from so for me I must cap
9:22myself so I can come back with better
9:24more unique knowledge versus the C know
9:27all that cookie hutter knowledge that's
9:29out there
9:30that's why people buy the books I have
9:31because it's not cookie cutter it's real
9:33knowledge the other thing now is when
9:36you first started you were a Lone Ranger
9:39right nobody really knew who you were
9:40outside of some obscure endurance places
9:43and half-heard truths of these weird
9:45myths right but now you've got people's
9:47expectations layed on top as well so not
9:50only have you got to deal with success
9:52potentially making you soft so you've
9:53got to cap that you've got to say no to
9:55more money and opportunities and cool
9:56people right you've also got this extra
9:58layer of expect
10:00that's coming through from other people
10:01too and I think that you talk about
10:02trained humility right in the new book
10:04too I've got to presume that that fits
10:07into this equation right it fits in big
10:09time um and that's one big reason why I
10:11do fight fire because the all the
10:15knowledge for myself comes from that
10:17place it doesn't come from the place of
10:19success my knowledge does not come from
10:21the place like because for me like I
10:24built Goggins from the ground up I was
10:27born David goggin David gogins wasn't
10:29good enough enough he was a scared
10:32bullied uh abused kid um who struggled
10:36in
10:37life and that kid whenever something got
10:40tough no matter how hard I trained no
10:42matter how ready I
10:44was whenever something got tough for me
10:48David goggin the real David Goggins
10:50would come out and he would quit so I
10:53realized this over a period of time so I
10:56had to build
10:57goggin and in that process I have to go
11:01back to that mental lab and that mental
11:03lab is at scratch that mental lab isn't
11:07that trained humility and so that's
11:10where I get better I get better when I'm
11:14digging holes in the ground when I'm
11:17waking up early knowing I don't have to
11:18do these things that's where I get
11:20better so it's important to stay hungry
11:22it's important to stay hungry but it's
11:25important more to stay humble within
11:27that hunger so why you're hungry a lot
11:30of people are hungry but humility is
11:33everything what was that story about
11:35William Crawford the janitor yeah so
11:38this guy won the Medal of Honor so he
11:41won the Medal of Honor and which is the
11:43highest award in the
11:45military and this guy went to the Air
11:49Force Academy and he was a
11:52janitor and no one knew who the [ __ ]
11:55this man was he had the highest award in
11:58all the milit military for heroics for
12:02heroics saving lives putting his life on
12:03the line could have you know could have
12:05been killed and he is now basically you
12:10know cleaning [ __ ] for young kids
12:14and we can all imagine how that probably
12:16went you know there's probably some you
12:18know little bit of taunting here and
12:20there and he just sat there and cleaned
12:21the [ __ ] so that's why he's in my
12:23trained humility part because for this
12:26man to be at the level he was and had
12:28that kind of humility to go I'm a MD of
12:31Honor winner but I'm gonna put that in
12:33my closet and I'm gonna pick up my broom
12:35and dust pan and I'm gonna pick up you
12:37know this Rag and clean this [ __ ] for
12:39these young men that right there is
12:41amazing for me man that's that's where
12:43you grow that's that's growth huge
12:45growth and also it shows that he was
12:47doing his
12:48job he was a
12:50servant he didn't look at himself any
12:52better than anybody else the second you
12:55do that you're totally lost you cannot
12:57look at yourself like people with me
12:59even I always look at people I I know
13:03where you are I know where because I've
13:05been there that's why I helped so many
13:07people out I've I've never been above
13:10you I've always pretty much been beneath
13:13you and that's where my knowledge came
13:14from so I know how to reach those people
13:16who are in the dungeon because I've been
13:19there so many times speaking of getting
13:21too soft did you see that there was a
13:23news story that came out recently about
13:25the treatment of seals during the
13:26selection process do you see this yeah
13:29yeah I saw it yeah they were getting uh
13:31sprayed with tear gas whilst they were
13:33on the ground and they were made to sing
13:34Happy Birthday so that they couldn't
13:36hold their breath while it was happening
13:38and there was a a quote from uh this guy
13:41I think this type of training is really
13:43senseless said Sven yort a Juke
13:46University associate professor who
13:48studies tear gas and its effects it
13:50looks more like a form of hazing right I
13:52see all that trust me like I said you
13:56know I'm not g to sugarcoat anything
14:00I understand that guy I understand
14:03exactly where you're coming from that is
14:05your personal opinion and I totally get
14:08that
14:10but there's very few people in this
14:13world who want to do a job like that and
14:15it takes a different kind of
14:17mindset is it tear grass appropriate I
14:21don't
14:22know how hard that training is I don't
14:25expect anybody to understand it but one%
14:29but the loud voices of this world are
14:33the 99% who don't understand exactly
14:36what you have to do that's why when I
14:38speak and you don't understand me it's
14:39probably a good thing because that
14:41probably means I'm in an area of life
14:46that you're not in which is fine that's
14:49why I don't judge people and this guy
14:50right here judging that unless you've
14:52been there and done that and you really
14:55can't speak about it unless you're in
14:58those situations that are so hard that
15:01takes a special human being to get
15:03through them I think it's the same kind
15:06of feeling that I get when I heard about
15:09Elon Musk telling the employees at
15:11Twitter M we're going to ask you to work
15:14harder than you've ever worked in your
15:15life this is a place Twitter is now a
15:17company where people can go if they want
15:19to be in the top not. one% of
15:22hardworking programmers and software
15:23developers on the planet that's right
15:26and there was everybody was up in arms
15:28this is unbelievable we're going back to
15:29this old version of capitalism where the
15:32the worker is being abused and used and
15:34thrown away what they didn't account for
15:36is that there is a non insignificant
15:38cohort of people for whom that's their
15:40dream that's right people who want to be
15:42able to get up on a morning having gone
15:44to bed 4 hours before and can contribute
15:47to some sort of progress that they think
15:49this this is what I'm here for yep and
15:52it's the same with the seals if you're
15:53not the sort of person that is built to
15:55go through selection it's like speaking
15:57a different language
15:59and that's why I don't try to convince
16:02people otherwise I understand that why
16:06you're confused I understand why you say
16:09things like that I'm not saying anything
16:11bad about that I understand it but also
16:15what you don't understand what you fail
16:17to understand is the other side that you
16:20need people like that you need the Elon
16:24musks you need the David Goggins you
16:27need some of these Navy some of these
16:29other people you need those people and
16:32they don't they forget that and it takes
16:34a very very unique person and unique
16:38mind to do some of these jobs that are
16:40necessary in this world well especially
16:43when we're thinking about someone going
16:44to war right do you want your Armed
16:46Forces to be underprepared for the
16:48battlefield because you didn't want to
16:50be too mean to them in
16:52advance that's that's the problem that's
16:55the problem and that's a problem that
16:57I've always had I've always had is that
17:00right there is that with even even some
17:03of the most trained people in the world
17:07fall back on that it's easy to talk
17:09about like I said when you go through it
17:12once when it's a perishable
17:17skill
17:18hardness mental hardening mental
17:21toughness it's a perishable skill just
17:23because you went through some training
17:26once and you got through it doesn't mean
17:28it lasts [ __ ] forever and that's where
17:30most people hated me in my life because
17:34I realized that you don't to say oh I
17:37got it I'm checked off I'm good for the
17:38rest of my life that's why you have
17:39recall you recall on [ __ ] everything
17:42and you definitely must recall when it
17:44comes to the mind that is one of the
17:46biggest requalification you must have
17:49and when you're at that level you gotta
17:51recall every [ __ ] day not once a year
17:54one of the other things that you did to
17:55stop yourself from getting soft was
17:56running the Moab 240 yep talk me through
18:00that experience so um I hadn't Run 100
18:04mile race in I think it was about 6
18:06years you know I had you know some heart
18:08surgeries I had some maybe some
18:12questioning in my mind about I call it
18:14part-time Savage I started kind of going
18:17through this I started getting you know
18:18a little bit injuries a little bit this
18:19a little that things that back in the
18:21day never slowed me
18:22down so when I got my head out of my ass
18:25and realized that hey we have more left
18:28we can still push harder we're not there
18:31yet I realized talking to a guy named
18:34Cameron Haynes who this race 240 mile
18:36race and um I say I go is this the is
18:40this the new level is this the new is
18:42this the new push so when I decided to
18:45do that race it was in the back of my
18:47mind like man I've really become an
18:49expert at running 100 mile races so for
18:53me this was the new level the 200 plus
18:56mile race and what was so amazing about
18:59that as you probably read in the book I
19:03had a hard time the first time doing it
19:05I came back and did better but what's
19:08amazing about the human mind is that it
19:11becomes your new
19:12Norm like to to to think that I can run
19:16200 miles 240 miles and that becomes
19:18like running 50 I never thought that was
19:21possible this is why I'm I'm always
19:23pushing that limit because I know that
19:27within pushing these limits there's
19:29always more so I end up doing like
19:32almost like backtack 200 mile runs when
19:36the 200 mile race 240 mile race was hard
19:38at once it became something that was
19:40very easy after I figured it out so
19:44that's why that happened well you got
19:46lost on the first one oh yeah and then
19:49you went to bed and woke up halfway
19:52through the night and nudged Kish and
19:56said how long have we got left until the
19:59end of the race but because you hadn't
20:02completed the official route you
20:04couldn't go across the official Finish
20:06Line yeah so you ring your race um like
20:10Pacers some of whom had gone home yep
20:13what like what what do you think it's 3
20:15in the morning and you're ringing people
20:16saying you know that race that we just
20:18finished because of health problems can
20:19we go back and finish it so the crazy
20:21thing about that and that and that's but
20:23so I got lost the first time I got
20:26seriously sick was off Court so
20:29basically I bed down about 12 hours then
20:33I got back in the race so I was still a
20:35part of the official race now okay so
20:37the first time I got lost I I got sick
20:39got back got lost got back in the race
20:42after 12 hours of being out of the race
20:45so now I get to about 200 and some miles
20:48and I'm sick as hell can't breathe H out
20:51to pulmonary edema totally jacked up and
20:56now the doctor tells me if if you get
20:58off course now and you go to the doctor
21:00you won't be able to come back and
21:02finish the race so I had to make a call
21:04like you know what I'm pretty messed up
21:06got off so this is where you're talking
21:08about I'm literally laying in bed and
21:11I'm feeling
21:12better and I thought honestly I swear to
21:16God I thought that someone was speaking
21:18to me I thought it was Jennifer it was
21:20like you're not done yet [ __ ]
21:23and I'm like what the [ __ ] is this it
21:25was actually probably my subconscious
21:27saying get your ass back out there so I
21:30wake Jennifer up I'm like hey how much
21:31time do we have until the cut off I know
21:33that I'm already you know dnfed so
21:36matter what happens here I'm not going
21:38to be an official finisher of this race
21:39this isn't for Glory no this is now for
21:42the fact that you can so either you can
21:46sit here and not and think about that
21:48for a whole year until you come back
21:50here and do this or you can go out there
21:52for yourself and take some some kind of
21:54pride in knowing that you could and you
21:57did
21:59so basically I wake her up how much time
22:01left she goes something like I don't
22:03know what it was how would you say what
22:05time
22:06was like you know whatever and half my
22:10crew had left and there was two people
22:13there I woke them up they were getting
22:15ready to get on a plane I said look can
22:17you guys help me out I have 40 miles to
22:20go I'm GNA have Jennifer drop me back
22:22off at the spot where I left I'm GNA
22:25finish this [ __ ]
22:27race and I couldn't cross the finish
22:29line because I wasn't an official
22:30finisher so I end up finishing on a road
22:34on you know by a by a telephone pole and
22:37that was my official finish end up being
22:39like 250 M 255 miles but it's one of the
22:43best races of all time because we're
22:45going through it
22:46fast but all the [ __ ] times that I
22:50was like this is I I'm not going back
22:53and I went back I'm not going back and I
22:54went back I'm not going back and I went
22:56back it showed me even more of what we
22:59have as as as humans if we're willing to
23:02go there and we're willing to push that
23:04extra step and like I said you know I
23:06always tell people a lot of people man
23:08how do you do what you
23:10do at the end of the day I ask myself
23:12one question can I take one more step
23:16and usually the answer is yes so if you
23:19can answer that question and not take
23:20another step that is real failure that
23:24is real quitting so a lot of people can
23:27take one more step but they choose not
23:28to I don't know if you can take two
23:30steps you got to answer that question
23:32after you take the first
23:34step but I can always take one more step
23:37so if I choose not to that's on me and I
23:39gota live with that does that link in
23:41with the one second decision yes yes so
23:45the one second decision is I had to live
23:49through that one second decision several
23:51times during this race so this race took
23:55me a hundred and some hours okay and
23:58this is what people don't get for you to
24:01finish that race even though I dnfed I
24:03still finished in the time so there's a
24:06lot of pride in that if you're 10 and
24:09some OD hours let me use hell week this
24:12is a perfect example hell week is 130
24:15hours and 130 hours is a lot of
24:20seconds a lot of [ __ ] seconds and if
24:24you lose let's say you win every second
24:27but one
24:29you
24:30lost it only takes one second for you to
24:33lose the whole thing so the one second
24:35decision is just that you're in a
24:38situation where life is sucking let's
24:41say you're in extreme cold water and
24:44your life is flashing before your eyes
24:48every time that wave goes over your head
24:49your thought process is I got to get the
24:52[ __ ] out of this
24:53water and you're in hell week and you're
24:57hour one of 130 [ __ ]
25:00hours it's all fun and games okay
25:04because at the beginning of Hell Week
25:05the guns are going off it's like a pep
25:07rally so you're [ __ ] hyped up and
25:10your boys are linked arms and you're
25:12getting sprayed and it's like a [ __ ]
25:14peep rally the instructure yelling at
25:16your bombs are going off concussion
25:19grenades blanks from in60s yeah who yah
25:22[ __ ] yeah [ __ ] yeah yeah [ __ ]
25:26yeah but then what they do is they shut
25:28that [ __ ] off they shut it
25:31off all that huah all that hype gets
25:35real
25:36quiet and they March you out to that
25:38surf zone for something called surf
25:41torture and it's that water that Pacific
25:44Ocean is cold as [ __ ] so no more prep
25:47rally you're now in your head you're
25:49linked arms with you know your brothers
25:52beside you you don't know if they could
25:53be there long or not you don't care you
25:55think about
25:56yourself you lay back in that first wave
25:59hit
26:00you your mind goes straight from hour
26:05two all the way to hour 130 you can't
26:09process five days of this [ __ ] you're
26:11now in you're you're now in a [ __ ] you
26:13like I gotta get out of here you're in
26:14fight or flight it's cold I can't be
26:17cold this long and then this is where
26:19that one second decision comes in you
26:22forgot every reason why you wanted to be
26:24there you don't care about seals you
26:27don't care about any of this you don't
26:28care about fighting for your country you
26:30don't care about that Gody gold Trident
26:33that they put on your chest you don't
26:34care about any of that [ __ ] no more all
26:36you want to do is go back home you want
26:39the warmth you may want something to eat
26:41you want your girl to hold you all those
26:43things of comfort are there in that one
26:45second and this is where people
26:48lose so what I do in that one second
26:51because we all think about quitting when
26:52shit's hard but what you have to do in
26:55that one second is hard to process
26:58information during
27:00pain because that pain takes over and
27:04you can't think rationally you're
27:07thinking about fight or flight save
27:10yourself that's not a rational thought
27:12it's not a thought that's going to get
27:14you through hard
27:16times most people fail that one second
27:19so what happens what I do in that one
27:21second it's and there's a bigger process
27:23to all this but in that one
27:25second I physically stayed in in that
27:29water because if I get out of the water
27:31I quit so I physically stay in the water
27:33but
27:34mentally I'm on the [ __ ] beach with
27:36the [ __ ] instructors and the
27:38instructors is cold outside so they got
27:40these Parkers on they got their cup of
27:42[ __ ] Joe and they're warm because
27:44they've already been through it so now
27:46it's your turn to go through it so
27:48mainly I get back with them I'm still in
27:50the water physically but mainly I'm back
27:52I'm chilling I got my Parker on and now
27:54I'm thinking logically cuz I'm warm now
27:57mentally warm I've taken that one
28:00second let's not quit yet Goggins let's
28:02[ __ ] think about your options where
28:05are you going to end up if you quit this
28:07[ __ ] where you gon to go what are you g
28:09to say to yourself because you know
28:11you're going to get warm the second you
28:13get out this water you GNA take a shower
28:15and you could be warm and you could be
28:17and in five days you could be out so I
28:19start thinking
28:20logically I calm my brain down because
28:23your brain just wants to get the [ __ ]
28:24out ring the bell push your hmet down
28:25get warm and then you're really [ __ ]
28:28and these are the things you have to
28:29think about the one second decision so
28:32that's what that's all about it's about
28:34gaining control of your mind putting
28:37things back in the proper
28:39perspective and then saying I really do
28:42want to be here and I'm G to have a
28:44bunch of these 1 seconds through this
28:46130 hour journey and I have to learn to
28:50control these because if I fail one of
28:52these one seconds I will not be a seal I
28:55will not be a doctor I will not be a
28:56lawyer I will not be whatever the [ __ ]
28:58is so that's how important that one
29:00second decision is it's all about your
29:03mind takes control of you you have to
29:05say [ __ ] you I run this
29:08[ __ ] and that's what that's all
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30:09modern wisdom projecting yourself
30:13forward to see what are the consequences
30:16of failing what are the consequences of
30:18stopping yep is about as powerful of a
30:21motivation strategies as I can think of
30:24you know because what you're doing is
30:25you're trying to optimize right now to
30:27stop the discomfort that's right but
30:29what you're going to pay for that in is
30:31shame and guilt and regret long term
30:35that's right so what you need to be able
30:36to do is bundle all of that up that is
30:39as yet unfelt but will last for way way
30:42way longer you know the future is much
30:44longer than now that's right the future
30:45is going to extend out up until the day
30:46that you die and the now is just for now
30:49and even 130 hours is just 130 hours
30:51that's right and you get to look back
30:53and do you look back with Pride and
30:54Glory or do you look back with shame and
30:56guilt that's it that's that's the one
30:58second you just summarized it right
31:00there and most people fail those one
31:02seconds and then that one second leads
31:04to 20 years 30 years 40 Years of [ __ ] I
31:09have people who have been through
31:11training with me Ranger school SEAL
31:13training Air Force training and I get
31:15calls from them today and they have
31:17great lives and all they talk about is
31:20how they failed in that one moment and
31:23they can't even great they can't even
31:27enjoy eny their life now because they're
31:30now
31:32warm they're now warm there's no more
31:34suffering there's no more suffering for
31:36me either and we're in the same boat now
31:40but you're suffering and so we're not
31:43suffering but you're thinking about what
31:45you could have been I am exactly what I
31:47should have been and that's where people
31:50start to lose it because now I realize
31:53that in that one second I go through all
31:55that I know how it's going to feel CU I
31:57failed so many times before failure is
32:00the ultimate thing man I failed so many
32:02times before that's why I don't look at
32:04failure anymore as failure I look as my
32:06first second and third
32:07attempt so that's what that's all about
32:10man well I mean you went back to go and
32:11do Moab again the second time right
32:13which is your second attempt that's
32:15right had you banged your knee up it was
32:18pretty bad in between the first and the
32:19second one it was pretty bad way before
32:21either one of them uhhuh yeah yeah it
32:23was it's been jacked up now for about 20
32:25years I've seen some nly photos of it
32:26recently it looks yeah yeah interesting
32:29yeah so all those miles I've run on this
32:31thing it's it's uh it's been a lot of uh
32:34it's been a lot of gut checks so you go
32:36back you do Moab a second time yep and
32:39then you turn your ass into like a
32:42hamburger or
32:43something as well so it's not just the
32:45knee it's the ass as well now yeah so at
32:47Mile 2011 we have a good video of it
32:50matter of fact Jennifer is like there's
32:52some people up so at at so 201 is a spot
32:57where
32:58I was really finished in the first Moab
33:02so that was a um way Mark a checkpoint
33:05for you the second time so Jennifer is
33:06extremely happy right now because I'm
33:08there yes and she knows I'm doing well
33:11now I'm doing good we're gonna get
33:12through this and so she's videoing me as
33:14I'm coming up this climb on this road
33:17and she goes there's some people up here
33:19who want to meet you you're doing so
33:21amazing I said my ass is [ __ ] up you
33:26need to get the [ __ ] desant cream and
33:30it's literally for like 20 [ __ ]
33:34miles that like people don't get it man
33:37when you get raw like that bro and
33:40you're walking cuz you the the chaing of
33:44my ass it was hamburger meat and I'm
33:46like so she's all [ __ ] happy and [ __ ]
33:49she's and I just look at her and I'm
33:52gonna put the video up on social media
33:53cuz it's it's but she's a [ __ ]
33:55Trooper bro hang on so could she was the
33:59leakage oh yeah that was on the video
34:02from behind so my shorts were absolutely
34:06raw dogged yeah so when you pull them
34:09down it's just blood and so she goes in
34:13the bathroom because she didn't know
34:14what she was going to see she has a
34:16Destin cream she walks in there and I
34:20pull them down and spread them open and
34:23I go put that [ __ ] all up in there so
34:26she goes in for the kid
34:28and she's putting this Destin cream all
34:30over the [ __ ] place man and you know
34:33what this the funny thing about it Dash
34:35when you know you got a good
34:36[ __ ] with you man when you're
34:39that raw and you're that [ __ ] up and
34:40she's just like nothing it was like
34:43saying hey can you like put some lotion
34:45on my back before I go lay out that's
34:48how she was in there man getting in it
34:51that's it man have you considered that
34:52that might be the most traumatic event
34:54of all of the things that you've done in
34:55your life what you asked Jennifer to do
34:57that day no not at all she did
35:01worse so that Leadville chapter when I
35:04talk about after I finished and then the
35:06ultra raveling or unraveling had had
35:09begun when I lay down so oh that was on
35:12the duvet and you didn't know the word
35:14duv yeah I know what the [ __ ] duve was
35:15[ __ ] you don't know the word duv blanket
35:17man okay fair enough fair enough fair
35:19enough out from the streets we call them
35:20blankets anything that you wrap up in as
35:22a [ __ ] blanket cool so I'm laying on
35:26the duvet
35:27and she's all [ __ ] like about her
35:29damn ratings that [ __ ] the Airbnb
35:32[ __ ] and I'm L like hey I'm about to
35:34[ __ ] right here because it's not your
35:36place
35:37no okay no right yes I can see why she
35:41be consern so that scene is uh is is was
35:44was bad but once again like a crime
35:47scene it's yes it was a crime scene so
35:50you've done all of this stuff right
35:51you've done the seal selection week
35:54three times strapping the legs up so
35:57that you can Runner badwater Ultra race
36:00the Asbergers everything yes of all of
36:03the physical Pursuits that you've
36:04endured which has been the most painful
36:06by far by far my first 100 mile
36:10race by far this
36:142019 Moab the one that I D enough but
36:17still finished that's up there but when
36:20you
36:22are um so I guess you're you're you're
36:26not prepared to run 100 miles and you
36:29take it for granted and you didn't do
36:31any training at all and you didn't have
36:33the right nutrition and off of whim like
36:37literally like you know what I want to
36:38raise money for a foundation that's how
36:41that happened so I don't know if you
36:42know the story or not but basically I'm
36:44sitting there and the Lan Survivor
36:48incident happened where a bunch of you
36:49know some seals died I want to raise
36:51money for them I went through training
36:52with most of these guys so I had the
36:54bright idea to uh raise money you know I
36:58wasn't going to do a hot dog or
36:59hamburger sale I was going to do
37:01something that people would be attracted
37:03to so I Googled the world's toughest
37:05events and what comes up is this race
37:08called the badwater
37:09135 and it's 135 mile race through Death
37:12Valley in the summertime now I had no
37:15idea about ultr running I didn't know
37:17what the [ __ ] ultr running was but when
37:20I heard so when I saw 135 miles I
37:24automatically assumed it was a stage
37:27race where you ran like maybe 10 15
37:29miles bed down and you got up next
37:30morning did it so when I called the race
37:33director up Chris Cosman I'm like hey I
37:35would like to do this race to raise
37:37money for a foundation he goes have you
37:38ever run a 100
37:39miles and I was like like in in a week
37:43or like like what are you talking about
37:44he goes no like in 24 hours because
37:46that's what you got to do to qualify and
37:48I was like is that even is that even
37:50possible like I I didn't know so anyway
37:53he goes no you can't get in my race
37:55unless you qualify and I call him up on
37:57a Wednesday and that Saturday and I was
38:01a bodybuilder at the time I did cardio
38:0520 minutes a week on the elliptical
38:06trainer every Sunday he goes yeah
38:09Saturday you're in San Diego Saturday is
38:13uh 24hour race where you run around a
38:15one mile track for 24 hours and if you
38:18can get 100 miles I'll consider you my
38:21race so I'll go sign up for this race
38:25and the first 70 miles I'm doing pretty
38:28good and then I hadn't sat down I was uh
38:32hadn't gone to the bathroom I was eating
38:35I was drinking myoplex and Rich crackers
38:38I was you know eating Rich crackers so
38:39Elite nutrition yeah elite elite high
38:42quality
38:43nutrition so what happens when you're
38:46that ignorant and you go out to do this
38:48race and you sit down in a chair your
38:51body's done so I'm sitting there and
38:55when you sit down for the first time in
38:56over 12 hours
38:58your body's now going through some
39:01metamorphosis like go [ __ ] home go go
39:04to a doctor get some help but I'm
39:07sitting there and I have this urge to go
39:10to the
39:11bathroom and there's a porter potty for
39:13me that [ __ ] wall but I can't get up
39:15because my blood pressure is all messed
39:16up from my great nutrition that I was on
39:19and so I can't stand up so I look at my
39:23ex-wife and I literally say I'm want to
39:25[ __ ] on myself right now so I sit there
39:27and I'm I'm [ __ ] up my back and I'm
39:29peeing blood down my leg and I have 30
39:31miles to go and I end up finding away to
39:36get through that 30 miles and when I got
39:39done with that
39:41race it's the worst pain I can ever even
39:45I can't even describe the pain of that
39:47last 30 miles to anybody no one it's
39:50very hard whole body whole body I'm so
39:54when it ended I I I'm literally
39:58dizzy going up my stairs to to get to my
40:00house I'm literally I have my arms
40:02wrapped around her going up the stairs
40:04and every flight of stairs I got have to
40:06lay down because I can't stay upright
40:09for too long or I'm G pass out so I
40:12finally get in the house and when I get
40:14in the house I'm once again on the floor
40:16I'm in the kitchen on the floor just
40:18laying there I finally make it to the
40:21bathroom into the tub I get rolled in
40:24the tub and she puts the water on me I'm
40:26just laying there with the water coming
40:28on me and what I pee out looks like
40:32cocacola and I'm laying there in the
40:34worst pain of my entire life I'm shaken
40:38I'm jacked up and all I could think
40:41about
40:43was I can't believe what I just done
40:46because when you get to 70 miles of a
40:49race and you felt the way I
40:51did it's to me it was humanly impossible
40:55to even think about going 30 more miles
40:58in that shape and once you do it what
41:00what came over me when that shower hit
41:02me and the reality hit that I SP 101
41:06miles and that last 31 miles was
41:08something that I can't even describe to
41:11people and she's like we got get you to
41:13the hospital so at the time my mom was
41:16seeing this doctor and he was like you
41:19know so so she's describing to my mom
41:21I'm going through he's like you gotta
41:22get in the hospital now and I just said
41:25just just shut up and let me enjoy this
41:29pain I don't want anything to numb it I
41:32don't want anything right now because
41:34what I had done was I just in my mind
41:37and people would take this wrong and
41:39take as wrong as you want to I don't
41:40really care I had just climbed a mental
41:45wall that was amazing and I didn't want
41:48anybody to take that pain away from me
41:50at that point because that was that was
41:52all confirmation it seems like I've
41:54heard you tell that story a number of
41:55times amazing
41:58did that set the tone or the Rhythm for
42:02what you wanted to try and Achieve and
42:04feel again each time there's you're
42:07pushing further there's more difficulty
42:09I never want to feel it again I never
42:11want to feel it again but what it did
42:14was it showed me what is possible and
42:18that's what set the new stage for me
42:20that's when I realized oh man I've
42:22really been underachieving my entire
42:24life I'm not saying that you have to go
42:26to that place because that place is a
42:29dangerous dangerous place that
42:30borderline rabdo heart everything it was
42:33borderline rabo it was all that y but
42:36you don't you don't want to go there but
42:40it taught me what is possible so from
42:43that 19-hour lesson one the best biggest
42:46lesson had my life it it taught me like
42:48okay I got it check tell me about this
42:52mixed type of hate that you've
42:54made so what started happening
42:57is as you get bigger as you get more
43:00successful you open the door for people
43:04to critique every [ __ ] thing you do
43:07and most of the people who are
43:08critiquing you usually aren't where you
43:11are and all their critiquing comes from
43:14people who are really at a low level of
43:16life which is sad but what we do people
43:20who are on the upper level hearing the
43:22haters at the lower level like I said
43:25you'll never meet a hater doing better
43:26than you true
43:28statement I started having fun with it
43:31so I'll go through the comments while
43:33while most people don't go through
43:34comments I go through and intentionally
43:36look for the bad
43:38ones and while I'll block and delete you
43:41because the people on my page don't need
43:43that negative energy I'll block and
43:45delete you but I take a snapshot on my
43:48phone and I put it in the archive so
43:51what happens is there's days where I'm
43:53like you know what I really don't want
43:55to do this today I'm like oh hang on so
43:59I started making these mixtapes with all
44:03of these hate messages about people
44:06talking [ __ ] and it became such a source
44:10of fuel that it was amazing because I
44:13know why you hate me you hate me because
44:15you're probably in the bed right now
44:17you're probably an underachiever you're
44:19probably somebody who doesn't want to do
44:22anything with your life so I make you
44:26question question everything about
44:28yourself so I'm going to continue making
44:30you question yourself by coming out here
44:33and being even more successful so I
44:36listen to that while I run I sometimes
44:38played in the house and it sometimes
44:41gets on Jennifer's [ __ ] nerves
44:42because I'm sitting and listen to
44:43Somebody talk mad [ __ ] on a loop about
44:47me and she's like why do you do this
44:48[ __ ] it's half comical and it's half um
44:53it's half inspiring I'm actually
44:55inspired by it I've heard you say
44:57previously that listening to music while
44:59you train is cheating MH so what you're
45:01telling me MH is that the Silence of
45:04your own dark thoughts isn't enough of a
45:06soundtrack and you've had to crowdsource
45:09insults from the internet self narrate
45:12it yep and then play it to yourself
45:13while you train that's it I do that
45:16sometimes yes yes have you got your
45:18phone on your right now I want to hear
45:20it no I I don't travel with my phone oh
45:23yeah my phone does not go with me
45:25anywhere why is that
45:27once again man like right now I'm with
45:30you a lot of times people are in
45:33conversations or they're somewhere they
45:35elsewhere you may think they're with you
45:37but they're not that phone is the
45:39biggest distraction in the world when
45:41time so when it comes time for the phone
45:43I'm on the phone when not I don't use it
45:46I'm all about being present where I'm at
45:49so that's why that phone right now no we
45:51do have it it's in your it's silenced
45:53it's off so I do have my phone right now
45:55but but usually I don't take it anywhere
45:57go got you so while you're listening to
46:00the self- narrated insults of random
46:03people on the internet that you don't
46:04like right what are you thinking of
46:06while you're listening to that while
46:07you're working out or while you're
46:08walking around the house how that back
46:11in the day when I was sometimes getting
46:14bullied or in a dark place how sometimes
46:17that would have bothered me how I would
46:19want
46:20to clap back I I would want to be on
46:24there all day explaining myself to
46:26people and how now I'm in a place now
46:28where I can hear it and I can actually
46:30enjoy it I can actually know where it's
46:32coming from I've studied it so I don't
46:35just like listen to it and like make fun
46:37of it I actually study it because I was
46:39once that negative person I was once
46:42that person who saw someone
46:44successful and didn't see how can I get
46:47there I was like oh [ __ ] that they're
46:51probably cheating or they're probably
46:52doing this I was I was that negative
46:53person because I wasn't there and I
46:56didn't want to work to get there so
46:59these people who hate on people I've
47:01studied them and I've gained a lot of
47:04Knowledge from them because I gain a lot
47:05of knowledge for myself when I was in
47:06that dark place so it's almost like
47:09reflecting an older version of you back
47:11to yourself 100% I had this idea um uh
47:14called the reverse role model so in a
47:16lot of places people might grow up and
47:19not have good Role Models around them
47:21you know like it would be great if I had
47:23someone that was my hero that could tell
47:24me how to be X uh good in school well
47:29with work fantastic in relationships
47:30whatever it might
47:32be and a lot of people don't grow up
47:34with that right and what I realized was
47:36cuz that was me in in part from where I
47:39was from but I realized there was a lot
47:41of people that I got to see that were
47:43like the sort of person I didn't want to
47:44be like right and that was the reverse
47:46role model so I could look around and I
47:48could say well I really don't want his
47:50relationship with his wife and I hate
47:52the way that he is using alcohol to get
47:54over the problems in his life he he
47:57doesn't have any Integrity or tell the
47:58truth she is a liar and a backstabber
48:01and a gossip and the thing is that you
48:04can actually achieve a lot of success in
48:05life by avoiding failure like most
48:08success in life actually is avoiding
48:10failure yes you need to be able to be
48:12competent But first you need to not get
48:13out of the race that's the one second
48:15decision right you need to not lose
48:17before you can win right and the reverse
48:19role model is you weaving your way
48:22through a selection of people that you
48:23don't want to be like and I think that
48:25you can get an awfully long way just by
48:27doing that I did that my entire life I
48:30had the ultimate blueprint by watching
48:32my family I was the youngest kid so the
48:35youngest kid has the total Advantage you
48:38know you may get picked on you may get
48:39bullied with everybody but you sit back
48:42in the exactly what you said I sat back
48:44and watched my dad definitely don't want
48:46to do that my mom my brother whoever it
48:49may be I sat back and I paid attention
48:52to everything around me and it was the
48:55ultimate blueprint to how to live life
48:57how not to live life how not to live
48:59life is I watched people do [ __ ] and I
49:01said
49:02H I don't want to be like that I like
49:06what you said about
49:08how the criticism that you see from
49:10people is coming from a very unique
49:12place I think if you got to see the
49:15inner texture of the people who don't
49:16like use existence you'd feel more pity
49:19than anger for the most part I think
49:22you'd pity them yes um and that's a
49:24realization that's taken a long time for
49:27me to to come up with because everybody
49:30else feels or to me it always seems like
49:31everyone else has got it together
49:33because I get to see only what you
49:36choose to say only what I'm around you
49:39doing that I get to see whereas I get to
49:41observe my
49:42own inefficiency and foibles 10,000
49:46times a second right I get to watch the
49:48texture of my own mind be completely
49:50unresponsive and useless I see every
49:52single um prideful decision every single
49:55lie that I tell myself every single time
49:57I make a promise and don't keep it mhm
49:59but I don't get to see that from
50:00everyone so I'd always presume because
50:01of this asymmetry that everybody else
50:03had it sorted and I didn't and it also
50:05made me think that everybody else's
50:06opinion was this perfectly balanced well
50:09researched beautifully it was it was
50:13they had they had me nailed down to a
50:14tea what they were telling me was the
50:16truth they could see something in me
50:18that I couldn't right and after a little
50:21bit of time and a good bit of building
50:24up of selfconfidence I realized that
50:26that's not the case no I have pity on a
50:28lot of people I do um I used to get
50:32angry about it like there was this guy I
50:34talked about it on on Rogan this guy
50:36from s team six who went out there when
50:40I became started becoming more famous he
50:42went out there and just try to destroy
50:44me tried to literally destroy me talked
50:46about how you know he just totally lied
50:50totally lied had to get a lawyer against
50:52him all all kind of [ __ ] and I was
50:55getting ready to Sue this guy had a
50:56great I was going to sue him because he
50:58literally tried to destroy my character
51:01my reputation went out there in this
51:04lest ass
51:05off I thought to
51:07myself it's about two months into it I
51:10sat back and I started feeling sorry for
51:12this guy like really sorry for him I was
51:15I was goingon to pull a trigger sue him
51:16and I said I'm not gonna Sue this guy I
51:19said for you to be this person who comes
51:23on and lies and tries to literally tear
51:26down
51:27everything I've worked for you are in a
51:31very very bad place come to find out he
51:35was in a very bad mental place so I get
51:38what you're saying I've learned to study
51:41people before I react because there's no
51:44successful person in the world who's in
51:46a good head space that's going to ever
51:49attack anyone in that kind of manner
51:51there's always going to be something
51:53wrong with them so you got to always
51:55dive a little deeper before you get your
51:56feelings hurt before you get your
51:58feelings hurt by that bully at school or
52:02that boss at work take time take that
52:05one second to pull back and study them
52:09because most people who are in good
52:11places they don't they don't care about
52:13what you're doing they don't care about
52:15what you're doing they don't try to
52:16destroy you they actually will try to
52:18build you up versus destroy who you are
52:21as a person so that's where I'm at now
52:23in life is most people who do that
52:26they're in a very dark dark place I've
52:30got a ton more to talk to goggin about
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53:31wisdom what do you think most people get
53:33wrong about
53:35motivation they think it's a permanent
53:38fix they think it's something that that
53:43is a constant they think that maybe once
53:47I get it I'm gonna hold on to
53:49it and that's the thing about that I was
53:52telling you I always talk about is
53:55nothing is permanent nothing is
53:57permanent and a lot of times you have to
53:59learn to perform without
54:01motivation you have to learn to perform
54:03without purpose you have to learn to
54:05perform a lot of different things and
54:07that's what people think they think I
54:09need to have this
54:11motivation to work out to study to be
54:15better so if they don't have it they
54:17just don't [ __ ] do it and that's
54:19where you
54:20fail you have to learn to train your
54:23mind well beyond motivation if you have
54:27motivation that's great that's some
54:28kindling to the fire all it takes is a
54:31little bit of [ __ ] spark you can burn
54:32a whole Forest up but motivation you
54:36have to learn to exist without it you
54:38have to learn to be you have to be your
54:40best self when you're least
54:42motivated and that's the tricky part
54:44about all that [ __ ] motivation is just a
54:46word you have to have these different
54:48things in your mind on where you want to
54:50go and know that motivation is not going
54:52to get me there CU I'm not going to
54:54always be motivated said the exact same
54:57thing you said that discipline needs
54:58motivation for breakfast and discipline
55:01is good too but without a clear head
55:03space there's no discipline what you
55:05mean so let's say we have a circuit
55:09breaker okay and I'm loading everything
55:12up to one [ __ ] circuit just load it
55:15up it's gonna [ __ ]
55:18blow and once that thing blows man the
55:20circuit's all [ __ ]
55:22up you got to have each thing plugged
55:25into the right SP spot like a [ __ ]
55:28crowded
55:29garage you can't put anything in it once
55:31your brain is crowded discipline is
55:34great motivation is great but if you
55:37can't fit [ __ ] in your brain because
55:39it's all [ __ ] cluttered with
55:41[ __ ] there's no
55:44discipline you may have it sometimes
55:46when it fits in that crowded garage of
55:49your mind but you don't have the
55:51consistency that you need to have with
55:53that discipline so what are you talking
55:54about here are you saying doing self
55:56work and reflecting on you as an
55:57individual are you doing therapy call I
56:00call it my I call it mental zones I
56:02don't get into it much because it be all
56:04day but basically is you're organizing
56:08your mind so you can put that discipline
56:11so a lot of people talk about discipline
56:13okay great why do you fall off the
56:15[ __ ] wagon why can't I continue with
56:18this routine going to the gym being
56:21better waking up early eating the right
56:23Foods it's because maybe it's your kids
56:26maybe it's your wife maybe it's your job
56:29and it's all just stuffed in your
56:30[ __ ] brain you don't have it
56:32compartmentalized and organized in these
56:35nice shelves like you look in a garage
56:37it's all [ __ ] a nice organized
56:39militant garage hey where are my
56:41dumbbells right there a lot of people
56:44whose brain Hey where's my Dum H let me
56:46look they're [ __ ] throwing [ __ ]
56:48they're looking through totes they're
56:49all [ __ ] up so where am I going to put
56:52discipline in that mind if I can't find
56:55other [ __ ]
56:57you got to be able to find all these
56:58different things in your mind oh I can
57:01put discipline right there I can put
57:04consistency right there I can put all
57:06these things right there in that spot so
57:08that's what I'm talking about if your
57:10life is not
57:11organized in your life being everything
57:15around you because it takes one little
57:19[ __ ] up piece of an outside
57:21interference to Cutter your whole mind
57:24because it's on such a knife edge that's
57:26right and people don't get that your
57:28mind has to always be clear that's why
57:31Mo that's why I meditate two hours every
57:34single night because I refresh I
57:37reorganize the garage which is my mind
57:40every night so then discipline's in
57:43there organization everything is in this
57:46right spot so when I wake up I'm ready
57:48to go what does a morning look like for
57:50you at the moment have you got a routine
57:51of some kind yes I run every single
57:53morning so that's what time you up when
57:55are you waking up I'm up about 5 5:30 so
57:59every morning starts with a run and
58:01that's because that's the one thing I
58:03hate to do more than anything in the
58:05world so that's like my cup of coffee
58:08and I'm all about armoring yourself so
58:12the second you leave your house and the
58:14second you open your phone the second
58:17you do any of that [ __ ] you are now
58:19letting them poison in
58:21cancer so I make sure a lot of things
58:24you can't avoid so as I get up I start
58:28to armor plate my mind and body like a
58:31person's going to war you put your body
58:33armor on that's what I'm doing on that
58:35run I'm waking up and I'm giving myself
58:38all this armor so when I come out in the
58:41world now look at that phone I'm ready
58:44I'm not waking up late I'm not rushing
58:46around I'm not disorganized because I
58:48know I'm gonna get hit in the [ __ ]
58:50mouth there's a there's an art to
58:51getting hit in the [ __ ]
58:52mouth and that is why these things are
58:56important you have to wake up and you
58:58have to give yourself belief you have to
59:00give yourself confidence so that it
59:02starts with that run so after the run I
59:05come home I eat something small how
59:07long's the Run typically at the moment
59:09nowhere Under 12 miles so 12 miles is
59:13the minimum and what are you getting
59:14that done in how long it depends right
59:17now I'm running a heart rate so I'm
59:18running like 815s 830s cuz I'm
59:21retraining right now because is that
59:23zone two for you zone two because of the
59:25leg I had so I'm going back starting
59:28from scratch so anywhere from about an
59:31hour 30 to two hours I run every day mhm
59:34so that's so you're fasted on the
59:35morning up straight out straight out 90
59:38minutes to two hours of running back eat
59:40eat and I'm in the gym so and then after
59:44that um to whatever's on the plan for
59:47the day that's how that works every day
59:50are you still doing your stretching cuz
59:51you've got two hours of you've got two
59:53hours of meditation 90 minutes to 2 of
59:56running MH how long's the gym session
59:58depends 45 to an hour and a half okay
1:00:02mhm stretching meditation run M
1:00:06eat gy
1:00:08M what is that my missing Jennifer oh
1:00:12yeah yeah forgot about that you cycle as
1:00:15well yeah how long are you cycling it
1:00:17just depends I do stationary bike right
1:00:18now a lot uhuh what do youing is it like
1:00:20a wat bike or something similar yeah
1:00:22something similar so I put my bike on a
1:00:24uh like trainer M and I cycle yep at
1:00:27least three or four days a week I'll do
1:00:29that
1:00:31so that's your day there's no there's
1:00:33there is no room for anything
1:00:35else yeah there is a lot of room so
1:00:38there's 24 hours and I and I use it all
1:00:40pretty pretty well how's your sleep
1:00:42what's your sleep L it's really good
1:00:44okay getting eight hours is something
1:00:46like that seven eight hours mhm yeah
1:00:48well you need to with this sort of
1:00:49volume 78 hours and you're still doing
1:00:51your stretching stuff every night so
1:00:54you've got a 4H hour block basically of
1:00:55stretching meditation that's all in one
1:00:57block you combine the two right yeah
1:00:58that's all in one block cool yep that's
1:01:01one hell of a day it is and it's been
1:01:03like that for seven years but going back
1:01:06to what you said before about needing to
1:01:07cap success MH you wouldn't be able to
1:01:10fit even one tenth of that in exactly if
1:01:14you were chasing down exactly yep that's
1:01:17exactly it so if all that's [ __ ] up
1:01:21that's why I got a cap success because I
1:01:23can't put that in and and that's my
1:01:26growth factor so you know that's that's
1:01:29my human growth factor you said before
1:01:32about um how you build up self-esteem
1:01:35and confidence and stuff and there's
1:01:37this quote from one of my friends Alex
1:01:38hosi that says you don't become
1:01:40Confident by shouting affirmations in
1:01:42the mirror but by having a stack of
1:01:44undeniable proof that you are who you
1:01:45say you are outwork your self-doubt yes
1:01:49that's that's nailed nailed completely
1:01:52nailed yes because a lot of people will
1:01:55in some of these motiv ation people out
1:01:56here it's It's the funniest thing in the
1:01:58world to me they'll go and say when you
1:02:00wake up in the morning pound your chest
1:02:03you know [ __ ] look at yourself in the
1:02:04mirror and do all this [ __ ] [ __ ]
1:02:07I hope it works what works for me is
1:02:10that everyday resume the things I know
1:02:13I've accomplished the things I know I've
1:02:14done real hard work the real calluses on
1:02:18my mind the real calluses on my hands
1:02:20that's that's it that you don't need to
1:02:23pound your chest in the mirror of the
1:02:24[ __ ] anymore if you have that it seems
1:02:26like especially with confidence right or
1:02:28self-esteem there's a relationship
1:02:30between confidence and competence so
1:02:32what you're looking to do is try and
1:02:33have what you believe that you can do be
1:02:36ahead of what you can do now you're not
1:02:38looking for it to be delusional you
1:02:40don't want it to to be able to believe
1:02:41that you can do something like fly right
1:02:44but you need to have a relationship
1:02:45between the two but what people are
1:02:46asking for is for their confidence to be
1:02:48so far ahead of their competence that or
1:02:50without having even been competent at
1:02:52anything in the beginning and that's
1:02:53just delusion that's fantasy right well
1:02:55I believe that you have to build
1:02:57belief belief is like there's an after
1:03:00school special belief where the mom says
1:03:04believe in yourself and that's all great
1:03:07but there's also a built belief and the
1:03:09built belief is one where you are
1:03:12constantly like for me I came from a bad
1:03:15place How I build belief is through the
1:03:19the daunting tasks I put myself through
1:03:22so that's proof positive that I can't
1:03:27so it correlates and that's how this
1:03:30piece of [ __ ] kid I once thought I was
1:03:33built belief by saying hm I was in three
1:03:36hell weeks I went to Ranger school I
1:03:39tried out for Delta selection undeniable
1:03:41stock of proof that is proof
1:03:43[ __ ] so whenever you think
1:03:45whenever you think you can't confidence
1:03:48comes from the thing that you built you
1:03:51must build belief you must build
1:03:54confidence it can't be like he um I'm
1:03:57going go knock that [ __ ] out you got to
1:04:00look over here and say I can knock that
1:04:04[ __ ] out it's belief and it's built on
1:04:07what you put in to yourself another
1:04:10friend sent me a a message this morning
1:04:12knowing that we had this this big thing
1:04:13that we've working toward for a long
1:04:15time today he said uh nature said I know
1:04:18of no better life purpose than to perish
1:04:20in attempting the great and impossible
1:04:22the fact that something seems impossible
1:04:24shouldn't be a reason to not pursue it
1:04:26that's exactly what makes it worth
1:04:27pursuing where would the courage and
1:04:29greatness be if success was certain and
1:04:32there was no risk the only true failure
1:04:34is shrinking away from life's challenges
1:04:36na that one also two for two na that one
1:04:39also man yeah it's that um it's that
1:04:43dealing with laziness and self-doubt
1:04:45thing I think
1:04:47uh and I do wonder how many people use
1:04:50the look in the mirror pound the chest
1:04:53stare into your eyes say your
1:04:54affirmations don't get the results and
1:04:57then lose
1:04:59confidence well that's part of it a lot
1:05:01of it is limit to
1:05:03Horizons limited Horizons are like I use
1:05:06me as an example
1:05:07always I came from a small town in
1:05:12Indiana where there was a handful of
1:05:15black
1:05:16families and a lot of people in that
1:05:19town when you come from a town of 8,000
1:05:22people it's like we had a local plant
1:05:26Great Dane you're like you know what I
1:05:28want to work at Great Dane and get a
1:05:31house next to my mom that's what you
1:05:33know so many of us come from these small
1:05:38places in our mind that we're not
1:05:40willing to think outside of only what
1:05:44we've seen our mind works in such a
1:05:47small
1:05:48compartment and one thing I was able to
1:05:50do was to dream many people but don't
1:05:54make dreams your [ __ ] m
1:05:56Master but I was able to dream outside
1:06:00those [ __ ] Four Walls of that small
1:06:02town and until you're able to really put
1:06:06yourself into that dream but don't make
1:06:09dreams your master that's where you
1:06:11truly become what you're destined to
1:06:14become what you mean don't make dreams
1:06:16your master a lot of people sit back and
1:06:18they dream about being a sports figure
1:06:22or dream about being a seal or dream
1:06:24about being an astronaut all it is is a
1:06:26[ __ ] dream they don't put the
1:06:28work behind the dream that dream has
1:06:30become their [ __ ] Master when you
1:06:33become the master of your [ __ ] dream
1:06:36is when you say I want to go be a Navy
1:06:37SEAL and you say okay I'm gonna lose 106
1:06:40pounds and less than three [ __ ]
1:06:42months the dream was the one thing I
1:06:45thought about and the dream was now gone
1:06:48now what comes in the dream goes away
1:06:51and the [ __ ] laundry list of [ __ ]
1:06:53details and tasks come up got do this
1:06:55gotta do this gotta do this gotta do
1:06:57this that's when you become the master
1:06:59of your dream so a lot of people out
1:07:01there dreaming Ryan holiday says talking
1:07:04about the thing and doing the thing V
1:07:06for the same resources allocate yours
1:07:08appropriately that's it that's it that's
1:07:12the way it works as well that's the way
1:07:13that the brain works you can actually
1:07:14get these kicks of dopamine by telling
1:07:16your friends about I'm going to be a
1:07:17Navy SEAL I'm going to start my training
1:07:18next week it's going to be great I'm
1:07:19gonna feel like this feels good it feels
1:07:22good to talk about that [ __ ] man it
1:07:23actually makes you feel good makes you
1:07:25feel proud all that [ __ ] but guess what
1:07:28happens that alarm clock goes off at
1:07:294:00 am. to
1:07:31train I want to be a seal today or I
1:07:34don't want to be whatever today I'll
1:07:36start tomorrow and that's the usual
1:07:39pattern of people's lives that's why I
1:07:43talk about clearing out the mind until
1:07:45you really want to do something you're
1:07:48always G to be a talker you always get
1:07:50run your [ __ ] mouth so again with the
1:07:54audio version of this book you've done
1:07:56podcasts in between each chapter where
1:07:58you're recapping what's just happened
1:08:01and this time you brought guests one of
1:08:03which was your mother right and you
1:08:05spend a 35 minute conversation sitting
1:08:08down with her and talking about the
1:08:09experiences that she had with your
1:08:12father and reflecting on that right a
1:08:15lot of stuff you'd elected to leave out
1:08:18of the first book so that means there's
1:08:19been a journey that you've gone through
1:08:21to get to the stage where both you and
1:08:24her and collaboratively you felt okay
1:08:26sharing that publicly right like what's
1:08:29that process like CU your mom didn't ask
1:08:32for this I mean you kind of also did you
1:08:34put a book out there because you thought
1:08:35it was useful and now millions and
1:08:36millions of people know about you but
1:08:38right you know the uh gravity field of
1:08:41your notoriety is starting to bring
1:08:43other people in as well so what was the
1:08:44Journey of getting to that stage like
1:08:46well it wasn't so much me I had already
1:08:49laid out you know a lot of [ __ ] about me
1:08:51that was you know pretty embarrassing
1:08:53and can't hurt me so for her her that
1:08:56actually helped her out she said wow if
1:08:58you had the courage to go out there and
1:09:00tell people all your [ __ ] you know and
1:09:03so that process was it it took about
1:09:05four years of me working with my mom
1:09:08because you know she was very damaged by
1:09:12what she went through and so was I but I
1:09:15knew no one was coming to save me so I
1:09:16had to go ahead and fix my [ __ ] and she
1:09:19kind of lived in a different place but
1:09:22when I wrote can't hurt me it started
1:09:24waking her up
1:09:25that hey man why do you care why do you
1:09:29care so much what people think about you
1:09:31what you went through why why are you
1:09:32putting so much so much on other people
1:09:36and what they may say about you like
1:09:38there's some stuff I talk about you know
1:09:41that is pretty embarrassing for some
1:09:44people but she got to a point in her
1:09:46life where she was able to you know stop
1:09:48caring because we all have our [ __ ] no
1:09:51one that like people it's so funny to me
1:09:53there be people who are out here
1:09:55commentating about people who are
1:09:56[ __ ] up out here famous people are
1:09:58[ __ ] up and I don't know how they're
1:10:01able to do that when I guarantee while
1:10:05your skeletons are not being out there
1:10:08if I were to open up your [ __ ] door
1:10:10[ __ ] how how how are you doing
1:10:13that so I know that about everybody like
1:10:17people love to talk [ __ ] about somebody
1:10:19and keep themselves out of it and so we
1:10:22went through that journey together and
1:10:24so it allowed her to come out and say
1:10:26yeah [ __ ] it you know I'm I'm a big
1:10:28person who I want to get people to
1:10:30confidence to walk in the room of a
1:10:32million people and none of them like you
1:10:35and you just like say [ __ ] you I'm good
1:10:38and walk out with you by yourself you
1:10:41helped your mom do that as well and now
1:10:42she can look at everybody and say yeah I
1:10:45[ __ ] married a [ __ ] that
1:10:46choked the woman to death I was in a bad
1:10:51place I'm good with
1:10:53that one of the days that you focus on a
1:10:57good bit in that conversation is the day
1:10:58that she decided to leave your father
1:11:00right and take you and your brother with
1:11:03her MH was there anything that you
1:11:05learned about upon reflection MH where
1:11:09both of your experiences uh opened up a
1:11:12new realization to
1:11:14you that that was a hard time for her
1:11:17and for me also I was ready to leave a
1:11:19long time ago I was just waiting for her
1:11:21to get the courage to finally leave him
1:11:23and um
1:11:26I don't think anything from that
1:11:29really I think that's where the damage
1:11:31really began I think for her when she
1:11:34left it almost her
1:11:37fight went away and it's kind of like
1:11:41when you run 100 miles when you sit down
1:11:45your body can then say exactly what I
1:11:46was thinking I'm done exactly what I was
1:11:48thinking the second she
1:11:52left that the Mind said oh my God
1:11:55like we can we can be human it's like
1:11:58PTSD yes we can be human and we're not
1:12:02fighting anymore and it just swarmed the
1:12:07demons that all that fight and all that
1:12:09[ __ ] was keeping away it just came and
1:12:12it swallowed it swallowed her whole and
1:12:14it also swallowed me whole but once
1:12:16again like we're were talking about I
1:12:17got a chance to watch
1:12:19her and she set out the ultimate
1:12:23blueprint on how not to be
1:12:26so I had a hard time learning growing up
1:12:29but I was very smart when it came to
1:12:30human beings a genius because I lived in
1:12:35such hell I was always studying people
1:12:38who can I trust who can I not trust
1:12:40energy I I got really good with energy
1:12:43can I is this person's energy good is it
1:12:45bad so I became a genius on human beings
1:12:50so I studied people all the time studied
1:12:53all the time she also talks about
1:12:56considering taking her own life oh yeah
1:12:58were you aware of that before you
1:13:00started working toward this book yeah so
1:13:02yeah she she talked about that a few
1:13:04times with me you know behind closed
1:13:05doors and um I'm I'm I'm I'm surprised
1:13:09she didn't you know there's a lot of
1:13:12stories that are still ont told that she
1:13:14probably will never talk about and I'll
1:13:17never talk about them until she says
1:13:19it's fine but um yeah it was it was a
1:13:22bad it was it was a bad way so I I I
1:13:25give her credit for having the strength
1:13:26to say okay I need to continue on and
1:13:29figure out you know what's next for me
1:13:31which she says the only reason that she
1:13:32didn't go through with it is because of
1:13:34you and your brother because she knew
1:13:36that she would be leaving you in the
1:13:38hands of this Tyrant that was going to
1:13:40mistreat you even more badly now that
1:13:43she wasn't around to protect you yeah
1:13:45which is a it's beautiful but it's also
1:13:47kind of a lot of pressure it feels like
1:13:49a lot of pressure for a child to be the
1:13:51reason for his mother to to still be
1:13:53there and it's also a damning conclusion
1:13:57about the state of her life right that
1:13:59the only thing stopping you from taking
1:14:01your own life is these two boys but it's
1:14:06also beautiful in a way because a lot of
1:14:09people only have one
1:14:12thing you don't need a lot of things
1:14:15sometimes only thing that kept me with
1:14:17that one step forward was one thing and
1:14:20so that one thing can get you to two
1:14:23things to three things to four things so
1:14:25that was the beautiful thing about that
1:14:27is that now she's 75 and she's retired
1:14:30because of that one
1:14:31thing
1:14:33how I mean you you're having this
1:14:35conversation with your mom during the
1:14:38production of the audio
1:14:39book you're having a conversation which
1:14:41is difficult to have in private right
1:14:44with two microphones in front of you
1:14:46knowing full well that this is going out
1:14:48to millions of people it's going to be
1:14:49scrutinized it's going to be listened to
1:14:51it's going to be reflected on Y how
1:14:53difficult is it to watch your mother
1:14:56opening up about an experience which to
1:14:57you was traumatic and then reopening
1:15:00those wounds in front of you and talking
1:15:02about that for millions of people to
1:15:04hear oh it's it's hard it's hard
1:15:09but it's
1:15:11necessary why to be able to own your
1:15:15trauma to be able to own everything
1:15:17about you and look it in the
1:15:20eye like there's a part in Eight Mile
1:15:24with Eminem the very end when this white
1:15:28boy you know [ __ ] trying to make it
1:15:30in the rap world and getting beat down
1:15:33and [ __ ] comes from some trailer park
1:15:35[ __ ] and he's like how the [ __ ] am I GNA
1:15:40win this rap battle because my best
1:15:42friend got shot in the foot and this
1:15:45dude slept with my girl and all this
1:15:47[ __ ] so what he does to take all the
1:15:49power from the [ __ ] gonna rap
1:15:51battle his ass he's
1:15:53like I'm going to tell you every
1:15:56[ __ ] thing about me I'm just
1:15:59going to [ __ ] tell you and that's how
1:16:01I feel about life and that's how my mom
1:16:04now feels about life I'm just gonna
1:16:07[ __ ] tell you everything a [ __ ]
1:16:08about me I'm not gonna hide I'm not
1:16:11gonna do none of this [ __ ] and it's a
1:16:12refreshing feeling when you can get in
1:16:14front of millions of people get
1:16:16audiobook and you can go through your
1:16:18[ __ ] and lay it out and you walk away
1:16:21there's no more secrets there's no more
1:16:23secrets like when people say oh hey
1:16:26Lance Armstrong did you do steroids no
1:16:28no no
1:16:32yes while I have nothing I have nothing
1:16:35wrong with Lance Armstrong or anybody
1:16:36else just [ __ ] tell the [ __ ]
1:16:39man and guess what happens to the
1:16:41conversation it's over it [ __ ] ends
1:16:45there's a really telling Moment In the
1:16:47book I think it's my favorite part and
1:16:48it's not even in this one it's in the
1:16:50audio book and it's when it's getting
1:16:53quite difficult with your mom mhm and
1:16:56you offer her a root out you ask if she
1:16:58wants to take a break y she says no I
1:17:01want to keep going so it seems like
1:17:03she's got a bit of that dog in her as
1:17:04well oh yeah she had to yeah she had to
1:17:08one one thing that when you grow up the
1:17:10way we kind of grew up together that's
1:17:12how I look at it when you grew up when
1:17:14she had you and she had J 28 and my
1:17:18brother at 24 so um after that you know
1:17:22we grew up together and you got to have
1:17:24a dog you you have to have a dog in you
1:17:27man and so you have to have like like my
1:17:30grandfather called it a stiff upper lip
1:17:32you better have a stiff upper lip so you
1:17:35know yeah she has some dog in her she
1:17:37has some dog in her she has to there's
1:17:39no other way to make it out here I mean
1:17:42you can't just always be you know head
1:17:45down in the sand you gotta learn to pick
1:17:47yourself up on your own a lot of times
1:17:49these fights and these battles you got
1:17:51to be your own [ __ ] coach you got to
1:17:52be your own motivator and she had do
1:17:55that several times in her life given all
1:17:57of this trauma that you go through why
1:18:00would you choose to go back and see this
1:18:02Tyrant of a father for one last time it
1:18:05was the only way for me to move
1:18:07forward so like a lot of
1:18:10times if your back is hurting it may not
1:18:13be your [ __ ] back it may be something
1:18:15else in your body that's making your
1:18:16back hurt for
1:18:18me I'm like man why can't I get past
1:18:22this [ __ ] hurdle so like I said I'm
1:18:24always is examining myself every day
1:18:27what is it what is it well there's only
1:18:30one thing you haven't examined yet and
1:18:32it's going back to the Beast going back
1:18:34to the demon so when I went back to him
1:18:37I realized that that was the unsolved
1:18:40mystery was I had to look that man the
1:18:43eye one more
1:18:45time like how I studied the that Navy
1:18:48SEAL talking [ __ ] and lion I got it from
1:18:50this part right here in the book I went
1:18:53and I didn't see him any any more as
1:18:55this
1:18:56Beast I started doing research on him
1:19:00found out that his dad used to beat him
1:19:02really bad so my his his dad would put
1:19:05him in front of a
1:19:07furnace open the furnace up with the
1:19:09Flames coming out and put him right in
1:19:11front of it have him bare but naked and
1:19:16he would whip the [ __ ] out of him and
1:19:18the whole idea of that is if you move
1:19:21you're going to get burned so stay right
1:19:23here and take your [ __ ] beat
1:19:25so what happened with
1:19:27him those demons from his father went to
1:19:30my father and he tried to transfer him
1:19:33over to me I had to understand who my
1:19:36father was understand where he came from
1:19:38understand why were you so [ __ ]
1:19:41brutal to
1:19:42us I got my answers took those answers
1:19:46and made myself better from the ansers
1:19:49about him and so that's why it was
1:19:52necessary for me to go back not I was
1:19:54looking for an AP ology so then maybe I
1:19:56could just go be a loser and understand
1:19:58that you [ __ ] me up why would the
1:20:00apology make you a loser it would make
1:20:03no it would make me feel Vindicated
1:20:06Justified yes like man you you did this
1:20:09to me I can go be a loser now my
1:20:12failings are okay this okay yep because
1:20:15you did this so I was looking for that
1:20:18and when I went there I I realized
1:20:19because his voice in him was saying it's
1:20:21not your dad's
1:20:22fault and I'm like n a man because this
1:20:26voice over here always said it's your
1:20:28dad's fault this other voice started
1:20:30tuning in was loud started getting
1:20:32louder the more I drove to Buffalo was
1:20:34saying you got to face a lot of [ __ ]
1:20:37young man you got a long journey ahead
1:20:39of you because you're gonna find out
1:20:41that while your dad did a lot of [ __ ] to
1:20:43you you're gonna have to [ __ ] make it
1:20:45on your own and the voice got louder and
1:20:48louder and louder and by time I got to
1:20:51that door and by time I was leaving that
1:20:53house instead of me feeling sorry for
1:20:55myself I started to doing live
1:20:58autopsy because a lot of people when you
1:21:02die they figure out why you died they
1:21:04figure out how you died in the
1:21:07autopsy but we never do live autopsy to
1:21:10figure out why we're dying while we are
1:21:13alive and I was dying I was living every
1:21:15day but I was really dead and so I
1:21:18figured it out and once I figured it out
1:21:21I was able to reborn I was able to be
1:21:24reborn
1:21:26what we see is this pattern of
1:21:28generational trauma your grandfather to
1:21:31your father your father to you father to
1:21:33son just being passed on passed on
1:21:35passed on is this part of your mission
1:21:39to be a circuit breaker to be a a dam to
1:21:43stop this Trauma from moving forward
1:21:45into the Next Generation 100% but with
1:21:49people I'm trying to build people up I'm
1:21:52trying to armor their mind I'm trying to
1:21:54get the the belief because this world we
1:21:56live in is tough it's tough it will beat
1:21:59you down the world and the life that we
1:22:02live in is the ultimate competitor it
1:22:04will try to take you out it will it will
1:22:06find your
1:22:07weakness and it will [ __ ] just Hammer
1:22:10you it's like a personal curse 100% so
1:22:13if I can help you build belief build
1:22:17confidence to the point
1:22:19where nothing can hurt you because you
1:22:22know exactly who you are you've faced
1:22:25your demons you've you've been able to
1:22:27go on an audio book in your mind maybe
1:22:30you didn't write a book but in your mind
1:22:32you were able to hear all your past
1:22:34traumas you were able to listen to them
1:22:37you're able to [ __ ] say okay now I
1:22:39can now talk to people about what I went
1:22:41through I'm no longer embarrassed I'm no
1:22:43longer ashamed being ashamed is one of
1:22:45the biggest things that kill people
1:22:46nowadays in their minds kill them from
1:22:48moving forward I'm ashamed of
1:22:50myself don't ever be ashamed of anything
1:22:53you've done in your life face it fix it
1:22:55make it
1:22:56better we are
1:22:59humans but then again if you always
1:23:01think that we're humans you will always
1:23:04just be a human and always make the same
1:23:06[ __ ]
1:23:07mistakes you must take this knowledge
1:23:10that you learn from all this [ __ ] is
1:23:12knowledge so I'm just trying to give
1:23:14people that strength to go in the
1:23:16archives of your life because while
1:23:19you're probably [ __ ] up it's probably
1:23:20something happened to you in your life
1:23:22go through the archives dig it up
1:23:24study it and then use it for yourself
1:23:28that's that's the main purpose for me
1:23:30right now have you considered what you
1:23:31would be like as a
1:23:33father yeah I actually have a daughter
1:23:36right
1:23:36now yeah no way I didn't know yeah I
1:23:40have a daughter right now but that being
1:23:42said I'm an open honest person when you
1:23:46meet people at a young age so I had a
1:23:49kid at a young age when I was in the
1:23:52worst possible place in my life
1:23:55so when you're in a bad place you're not
1:23:57going to meet a
1:24:00Kish you're going to meet a person
1:24:02that's very similar to who you are at
1:24:04that time and then you bring a child
1:24:07into this world and as you start to move
1:24:10up in this world and get better and you
1:24:12realize I need to get better you try to
1:24:15pull that person along with you a lot of
1:24:19times they don't want to come where
1:24:20you're going and it creates a bad
1:24:23environment
1:24:25so that's where that is right
1:24:28now talking but my daughter's 21 years
1:24:30old though wow yeah I'm glad to hear
1:24:33that I think I I think that uh it would
1:24:37be all of the learnings and stuff that
1:24:39you've been through as a father as a son
1:24:42as a grandson um it makes sense to me
1:24:46that that would have been a something
1:24:48that could have been passed down mhm so
1:24:51thinking about uh trauma and stuff that
1:24:54you go through in your past um
1:24:58throughout most of school for me I was
1:24:59pretty isolated only child uh pretty
1:25:01unpopular in school and the main issue
1:25:04that I had
1:25:05was it wasn't bullying it was isolation
1:25:08I think it was being lonely right um and
1:25:11that was primarily what was causing me
1:25:14to be sad throughout school right so I
1:25:17do this interview for the BBC about six
1:25:20months ago and uh in it I talk about I
1:25:22haven't opened up that much about
1:25:23bullying I I need to to do it more and
1:25:25it is you know even from watching you go
1:25:27through opening up about your traumas it
1:25:29is inspiring uh so I do this interview
1:25:31for the BBC and I mention a little bit
1:25:32about bullying in school and so why
1:25:35don't you mention
1:25:36it I haven't got around to it yet I I
1:25:39maybe still feel like
1:25:42it detracts from the man that I want to
1:25:45be the masculine man the um respected
1:25:49podcaster that it somehow undermines me
1:25:53as a person that it makes me weaker
1:25:55which is obviously what was you know
1:25:56part of the bullying's purpose in school
1:25:59to be able to do precisely that right so
1:26:01I do this interview for the BBC and I
1:26:03mentioned in two paragraphs or something
1:26:05but millions of people see this article
1:26:07uh and I get back one day and in my
1:26:10Instagram message requests is this
1:26:12message from a guy and I kind of
1:26:14recognize his name but not not fully and
1:26:17I don't know whether you know but
1:26:17there's like a character limit in
1:26:19Instagram so and this is five character
1:26:23limit messages long with multiple
1:26:26paragraphs within each of them right so
1:26:28I open it up uh and this guy says uh hi
1:26:32Chris you might not remember me but we
1:26:34went to school together uh I bullied
1:26:37you my daughter is four and she's about
1:26:41to go to school and given that she's
1:26:43about to go to school me and my wife
1:26:44have been discussing about the kind of
1:26:45child that we want her to be and that
1:26:47caused me to reflect on my time that I
1:26:49spent in
1:26:50school I saw I've been thinking about
1:26:53messaging you for a while I've been
1:26:55considering talking to you uh because I
1:26:57really felt like I needed to because I
1:26:58felt ashamed of the way that I treated
1:27:01you in school and I knew that it had
1:27:02hurt you uh and then I saw this article
1:27:05from the BBC and I just had to reach out
1:27:09and I've been sleepless nights speaking
1:27:12to the wife tears and all the rest of it
1:27:16uh and I just wanted to say that I'm
1:27:17sorry uh I'm very sorry for what I did
1:27:20um I wanted to let you know that my
1:27:23daughter
1:27:24is going to be raised in a way that will
1:27:26never treat anybody like that again um I
1:27:29don't expect you to forgive me I don't
1:27:31even know if you'll see this message I'm
1:27:32happy to see that you seem to be happy
1:27:35um but I I needed to get it off my chest
1:27:39right I'm like [ __ ] totally taken a back
1:27:43like wasn't prepared for this I have
1:27:45come back in from the gym or something
1:27:46and I'm sat reading this message like
1:27:47[ __ ] hell that's heavy so I go back
1:27:50through and I think well how do I feel
1:27:52about this how do I feel about this
1:27:53person how do I feel about my experience
1:27:55right um because it was so formative
1:27:57right it shaped so much of the way that
1:27:59I see myself the way that I see the
1:28:01world I had to
1:28:04deprogram so much of the patterns that
1:28:07I'd learned right through that time um
1:28:11my desire for validation from other
1:28:13people right U my need to be liked my
1:28:15constant vigilance my ambient anxiety
1:28:18that was always looking for what was
1:28:19going on my concern of being left out y
1:28:22my adamant uh that everybody was um able
1:28:26to judge something about me that I
1:28:28didn't know about myself
1:28:30y but this guy had like fully fully
1:28:34opened up to me and I thought well you
1:28:37know it was beautiful it was a beautiful
1:28:39message um so I replied to him and I
1:28:41said hey man um I very much appreciate
1:28:44you reaching out I think it's an
1:28:46incredibly Brave thing to do and
1:28:51if me going through what I went through
1:28:54and then the pain and discomfort and
1:28:56such and your subsequent suffering of
1:28:59reflecting on what you did MH if that
1:29:02has led to a world in which your
1:29:05daughter will be the sort of person who
1:29:09will behave in a manner that's going to
1:29:11make the world a better place going
1:29:13forward I think that's a price that's
1:29:15worth paying that's awesome man that's
1:29:18that's a great story that's a great
1:29:20story and you're the you're the expert
1:29:23on it
1:29:24that's why you should talk about
1:29:26bullying I know yeah you're the expert
1:29:29and that's why I do it you know um
1:29:33that's why I become I i' I've become so
1:29:36vulnerable because all that knowledge
1:29:38you gain because now you are
1:29:40successful and there's so many people
1:29:42who are getting bullied in so many
1:29:44ways that you know you just show them
1:29:48that there's a path but the path is
1:29:51really like I talk about studying the
1:29:54the
1:29:54bully that's the path studying the bully
1:29:58were you ever tempted to become a bully
1:30:01never never I'm always like I said like
1:30:04I told you before this started I wanted
1:30:05to be a priest I want to be a priest you
1:30:08know and um could you imagine one of
1:30:10those sermons oh it'd be sick because I
1:30:12because I would cuss because I would I
1:30:14would definitely cuss praise the Lord
1:30:16[ __ ] that's it I would
1:30:18definitely cuss I would definitely cuss
1:30:20man because that's that's the world and
1:30:23there's a lot of people hear this like
1:30:24oh my God that's this is oh my God let
1:30:26me close my ear you know this the
1:30:30world's
1:30:31tough the world's tough and when you
1:30:35come up the way I came up the only way I
1:30:38can [ __ ] describe something sometimes
1:30:40to say [ __ ] a [ __ ] because
1:30:43that's how dark this [ __ ]
1:30:45was and I can't make it flowery I can't
1:30:50make it PG like oh I want my kids to
1:30:53like I have a clean edition of this book
1:30:55have oh you have a non-explicit version
1:30:57yes because people like I want my I want
1:30:59my kid to read your book but you but you
1:31:02cuss so much I can't I imagine it's
1:31:04about half the size yes it's very small
1:31:06yes so so the funny thing about it is
1:31:10like how long are you going to shelter
1:31:14your child from a world that's evil as
1:31:17[ __ ] that's going to come at you it's
1:31:20going to come at you whether you've been
1:31:21bullied or not there's going to come a
1:31:23time
1:31:24when it's going to come at you and it's
1:31:27G to be a lot worse than [ __ ] or
1:31:29[ __ ] it's G to be a lot worse and
1:31:32so we are training kids and people to be
1:31:37soft in a world that continuously gets
1:31:41harder and it doesn't it doesn't
1:31:44correlate like that guy talking about
1:31:46the tear gas with the seals is that
1:31:49necessary I don't know but what is
1:31:52necessary is you have to build a person
1:31:56that can withstand the pressures of
1:31:58whatever they're going to be dealing
1:32:00with in
1:32:01life and we don't do that I'm not trying
1:32:05to send a message of run 200 miles be
1:32:08the bad [ __ ] in the world but be
1:32:11tough you better have a part about you
1:32:14that's tough a part about you that can
1:32:16break down situations and get better and
1:32:19break down situations very quickly
1:32:22within some trauma in your life some
1:32:25Devastation in your life because it's
1:32:26going to come the devastation the trauma
1:32:28is going to come and you can't allow
1:32:30that to become a jersey barrier it can't
1:32:33be a jersey barrier it has to be
1:32:34something that you can maneuver through
1:32:36very quickly and move forward that takes
1:32:38a lot of toughness well unchosen
1:32:41suffering is going to happen right so
1:32:43the only thing that you can do is have
1:32:45some chosen suffering to prepare for it
1:32:47it's the only thing you can do that's
1:32:48the only thing you can practice for the
1:32:49unchosen suffering is have chosen
1:32:52suffering do something that's sucks
1:32:54every day I had hubman on the show a few
1:32:58months ago and he told me about bringing
1:33:00you into his lab and putting you in VR
1:33:04underwater with sharks right give me
1:33:07your experience with huberman he's great
1:33:11he he knows his stuff he knows his stuff
1:33:15um yeah he's just a he's a very
1:33:18knowledgeable man on what he's doing
1:33:20what's being in VR with sharks like it's
1:33:22nothing no no no because one thing about
1:33:26me is I deal in
1:33:27reality you put me in VR as VR it's a
1:33:32fake thing and I work in reality I only
1:33:37work in reality I don't work in fake
1:33:39situations so that's why it didn't work
1:33:41on me you put me in a real ocean with
1:33:44real sharks you'll get your real
1:33:47reaction you put me in a room that I
1:33:51when you walk in the
1:33:52door and you sit down in the chair and
1:33:54you put some [ __ ] on your [ __ ] face I
1:33:57know I'm in a [ __ ] chair I know I'm
1:34:00in a room if you get that psyched the
1:34:02[ __ ] out you need to study that more
1:34:05than that you know what I'm saying yeah
1:34:07why are you so sensitive why you so if
1:34:10you are on a high wire because you're
1:34:12afraid of heights but you're sitting
1:34:15firmly on the [ __ ] ground you need to
1:34:17study the fact that you're doing
1:34:19something wrong don't study the freight
1:34:22of heights study why the [ __ ] do I know
1:34:24I'm on the [ __ ] ground in a [ __ ]
1:34:26chair but I'm afraid of what's on this
1:34:29screen so I don't allow anything to go
1:34:32beyond the truth he said that um
1:34:36obviously you didn't know this in
1:34:37advance it could have been the most
1:34:39lifelike VR in the history of the world
1:34:41and apparently it was a group of you
1:34:43guys and someone had to go first someone
1:34:46had to go first you're not that good
1:34:47with water not sure how you feel about
1:34:49sharks but can't imagine you're a fan
1:34:51um and you would just like
1:34:54me me please I'm first yeah I'm like
1:34:57that with
1:34:58everything because why I sit back in the
1:35:01back and think about let me watch you go
1:35:04first you can watch me go first is there
1:35:07anything that you'd like to study with
1:35:10huberman would there be any like cool
1:35:12tests is there anything that you've been
1:35:13thinking about to do with performance or
1:35:15anything like that at the moment no
1:35:18you've just got your own mental lab
1:35:19you're doing everything lab every
1:35:21everything I need is in my mental lab
1:35:24everything because I'm in constant study
1:35:26of
1:35:27myself that's and I know what needs to
1:35:30be conquered because I'm constantly
1:35:32going through what I don't like what I'm
1:35:36not comfortable with you know like I'm I
1:35:40know and only I can fix these problems
1:35:44because I have to face these problems so
1:35:47I have a rolling a rolling log on what
1:35:50needs to happen so I'm I'm really good
1:35:52about being accountable about okay you
1:35:55need to be better here you need be
1:35:56better here you need to overcome this
1:35:58overcome that and I do a good job of
1:36:01doing that you talk about performance
1:36:02without a purpose M what's
1:36:05that so like for instance let's say you
1:36:09have no races let's say you have no
1:36:11classes no nothing you have there's no
1:36:14purpose in your life you know people
1:36:16need to have purpose to get up they need
1:36:18purpose to
1:36:19perform you need to get to a point in
1:36:21your life where there's nothing on the
1:36:24docket there's no 5K there's no there's
1:36:28no um I'm going to get into school to be
1:36:30this or that and still perform to the
1:36:33highest level because what people don't
1:36:35get is one day that thing's going to
1:36:37come up and if you're not constantly
1:36:40performing without purpose you're not
1:36:43going to be ready when the time
1:36:45comes it's this magical thing purpose
1:36:47that we're all looking for but what's
1:36:49funny about it all is that we need these
1:36:52things to perform
1:36:54but we don't take a second to realize
1:36:56the purpose is always there the purpose
1:36:59never leaves us because the very purpose
1:37:02is you you are always the purpose there
1:37:06may be another purpose like being a seal
1:37:09or going to college or whatever but the
1:37:11main purpose in life is you so if you
1:37:14wake up in the morning and you don't
1:37:15want to do
1:37:17something you don't care enough about
1:37:19yourself and that's what you need to
1:37:22really research is man why am I not
1:37:25doing this for myself because that is
1:37:27that is the number one purpose in life
1:37:30is to better
1:37:32oneself so that's the only purpose I
1:37:34[ __ ] need so the reason I get up
1:37:37every day even though there's no race or
1:37:38there's no school there's nothing in
1:37:40front of me is because I have pride in
1:37:43myself but where do you go to you wake
1:37:45up on the morning it's cold it's wet
1:37:47it's dark you've got no cartilage in
1:37:50your knee you've got shitty shorts
1:37:52whatever it is that's the issue today
1:37:54keep
1:37:56talking you've got these problems right
1:37:59I need you to keep talking about what
1:38:00you were just saying it's warm on the
1:38:02couch your M say stay in bed it's comfy
1:38:05it's cozy you've got work later on you
1:38:07had an argument last night you're
1:38:08slightly hung over because I know every
1:38:11[ __ ] ain't gonna do what I'm
1:38:12gonna do so this is how you level up
1:38:16that's how you level up I know there's a
1:38:18whole bunch of people with that right
1:38:21there that fires me up that makes me
1:38:24[ __ ] happy what you just said that
1:38:26brings joy to my life right there why
1:38:28because I know there's so many people
1:38:30that have the ability and just refuse to
1:38:35get off that couch refuse to study a few
1:38:38more hours refuse to go deeper to go
1:38:40further and that's where I gained the
1:38:44advantage it's so easy to be great
1:38:46nowadays my friend because most people
1:38:48are weak most people don't want to go to
1:38:50that extra mile most people don't want
1:38:52to find that extra cuz it sucks it's
1:38:54miserable it's lonely you talk about
1:38:57that you were kind of you know Lonely by
1:39:00yourself I was the same way and that
1:39:04used to hurt me growing up now I [ __ ]
1:39:07thrive in that [ __ ] that's the only
1:39:09place to be well that was one of the
1:39:12things that is so surprising about
1:39:16growing up through difficulty you know
1:39:18so loneliness is one example right
1:39:20growing up as a lonely kid what you
1:39:22realize is lot of the things that you
1:39:25feared or hated or embarrassed about as
1:39:28a child end up being the Genesis of the
1:39:31things that you're most proud about as
1:39:32an adult so the fact that you can work
1:39:36and thrive in solitude gives you the
1:39:38opportunity to be able to move to
1:39:40America and start a podcast or decide to
1:39:42do hell week three times in a row or it
1:39:45doesn't matter how long or dark the
1:39:47course is you're just going to stay MH
1:39:50the fact that you were uh forced to be
1:39:53VI
1:39:53and to assess people to work out what's
1:39:56going on when you became an adult allows
1:39:59you to detect the vibe and the energy of
1:40:02whoever it is that you're speaking with
1:40:03and know that this person is someone
1:40:04that I want to hang with and this
1:40:05person's somebody that I don't right all
1:40:08of the things in fact I would go as far
1:40:10as to say there's not one thing in my
1:40:12life that I see as a pure advantage that
1:40:16doesn't have a dark side to it that came
1:40:18about at some other point as well right
1:40:20so one of the reasons that I spent so
1:40:23much time as a kid in my bedroom
1:40:25listening to audio tapes because I
1:40:27didn't have anyone to play with right
1:40:28only child little bit sort of unpopular
1:40:31right so I'd be in my bedroom listening
1:40:33to audio tapes and we go to the library
1:40:35every two weeks and we'd take the tapes
1:40:37back and we get new tapes and i' bring
1:40:39them and listen to them again right but
1:40:41you roll the clock forward 20 years and
1:40:43what's the 2023 version of an audio tape
1:40:47it's a podcast it's a podcast that's
1:40:50right A lot of the things that you love
1:40:52and value in yourself in adulthood are
1:40:56the light side of something that you
1:40:57were ashamed fearful disgusted by when
1:41:00you were younger yeah I mean I think
1:41:02that comes from
1:41:04overcoming a lot of people you know
1:41:07wonder how did you become this how you
1:41:09become so vulnerable how you how are you
1:41:11doing a podcast now when you were this
1:41:13kid you overcame things you fought them
1:41:18and now this is what happens this is on
1:41:20the other side of
1:41:21overcoming it Bec you become very very
1:41:25powerful when you overcome yourself all
1:41:28those things you once cowed from you
1:41:30were afraid of when you face him eye to
1:41:32eye every day you now become a person
1:41:35who has a great
1:41:38podcast let's say that there's someone
1:41:39listening who resonates with what you're
1:41:42talking about you know they've been
1:41:43through trauma they've been through hard
1:41:44times but they keep breaking promises to
1:41:46themselves and they're struggling to get
1:41:48off the couch and they're having a pity
1:41:50party MH how can they stop feeling sorry
1:41:52for themselves
1:41:54that's a difficult
1:41:55one because you have to want it you have
1:42:00to want to be better and it starts off
1:42:03with you have to have pride in
1:42:05yourself you you have to have pride in
1:42:08yourself you have to have there's
1:42:10something about you whether it's your
1:42:11last name whether it's just the smallest
1:42:15thing you have to be proud of yourself
1:42:18and if you have no pride in yourself I
1:42:20can't give it to you because you're
1:42:22always going to compromise you're fold
1:42:24always I'm very proud of myself that's
1:42:25why when people said you no way you can
1:42:29do better than can't hurt
1:42:31me Roger that we'll [ __ ] see it's
1:42:35that Pride that wakes you up now I'm not
1:42:37talking about bad
1:42:39Pride I I'm the attention to detail for
1:42:42the human being I want to do I call this
1:42:44thing like I want to be the standard I
1:42:47want to be that guy like every place I
1:42:50went in the military there was this
1:42:52ethos
1:42:53about how this place is how we're going
1:42:56to live how we're going to represent
1:42:59ourselves and I walked around and I saw
1:43:03that most people didn't live up to that
1:43:05ethos like if you go to whatever
1:43:08whatever company they they had this
1:43:10mission statement on how we want to run
1:43:13our
1:43:14company I made one for
1:43:17myself on how I want to be and that is
1:43:21why if people can make up a mission
1:43:23statement an ethos and which they want
1:43:25to live by and every morning you wake up
1:43:29you hold yourself accountable to that
1:43:31mission not a company is your own make
1:43:34up your own mission statement what do
1:43:36you want to be in life and once you do
1:43:39that now you can work with somebody to
1:43:41get better you can work with yourself to
1:43:43get better but until you know what you
1:43:45want to stand for you will always just
1:43:48be sitting down you'll never stand for
1:43:50anything what's that quote if you don't
1:43:53stand for uh something you'll fall for
1:43:55everything that's it it's a true
1:43:57statement in the book you talk about uh
1:44:01Roger that there being two types of
1:44:03Roger that I absolutely adore the second
1:44:07type uh received orders given expect
1:44:11results that's it that's it so cool
1:44:15above and beyond more than was expected
1:44:17to the letter that's Roger that that is
1:44:21for me what Roger that means received
1:44:23orders given yep expect results expect
1:44:26results that's right so [ __ ] dope
1:44:29that is it that is it and when you hear
1:44:32that from somebody who gets it you know
1:44:34it because you can look in their eyes
1:44:36you feel that energy man it connects
1:44:38immediately they're out here to get a
1:44:40job done Roger
1:44:42that
1:44:44so the start of the book or at least the
1:44:47start of the audio book you've got a few
1:44:48different intros right uh Rogan yep your
1:44:52mom mhm M and The Rock right uh slightly
1:44:56odd trifactor
1:44:58but I do think it works so obviously
1:45:00your time Rogan's had you on now the
1:45:02third time that you've been on what have
1:45:04you learned since being friends with him
1:45:06he's a very singular individual you know
1:45:08what one thing about him is that he's
1:45:11made it and he's all about everybody
1:45:13else making
1:45:14it there's one thing that he believes in
1:45:17is that there's enough food enough cake
1:45:19for everybody out here to eat so there's
1:45:22a lot of people in this world who don't
1:45:23want to see you make it because they
1:45:25think you could take a piece of their
1:45:26pie that motherfucker's like look dude
1:45:29pie for everybody I got 14 pies bro one
1:45:33for every [ __ ] here and so he's
1:45:35all about people making it and that's
1:45:37something that a lot of us can you know
1:45:40learn from that people think oh I made
1:45:43it I'm gonna hold on to it I'm not g to
1:45:46help anybody else out the thing is I
1:45:48don't even know if he was uh something
1:45:51tells me he had that philosophy before
1:45:52he'd even made it yeah as he was on the
1:45:54come up yeah I mean I really didn't know
1:45:55him that much back then but um the he
1:46:00really is to
1:46:02me the Oprah of the modern day he's the
1:46:07Oprah of the modern day you know that
1:46:09that guy just has made so many people
1:46:12known to the world gotten so many
1:46:16messages out so yeah I said uh I was
1:46:19talking to Andrew Schultz about the same
1:46:20thing and he said very similar sentiment
1:46:23especially he's coming from a comedy uh
1:46:25angle right and if you're going to be
1:46:27championed in comedy it's super super
1:46:29difficult right and what he what he said
1:46:32was that uh the comedy world is so zeros
1:46:36some like your gig is not my gig and the
1:46:38fact that you can have someone that just
1:46:40gives that gift out is very rare another
1:46:42friend his wife does iic medicine so
1:46:46it's I'm not really too sure what it is
1:46:49but she did something to do with like
1:46:50tarot card reading okay and he asked her
1:46:54he was about to go on Rogan's podcast so
1:46:56he asked her to do the tarot card
1:46:58readings about Joel because it might
1:46:59give him a little bit more insight or it
1:47:01would just be interesting in general and
1:47:03the tarot card that she pulls out might
1:47:05not be tarot it be something similar the
1:47:07card that she pulled out was um a older
1:47:11Warrior cross-legged sat under a tree
1:47:14with his hands like that this guy did
1:47:17he's got a weapon down next to him
1:47:18weapons laid down transcended the battle
1:47:21and I was like holy [ __ ] I'm I'm not too
1:47:24sure I'm not too sure about what's going
1:47:25on with this tarot card reading thing
1:47:26but that one seems pretty accurate it's
1:47:27probably perfect for him yeah yeah yeah
1:47:30there's something about
1:47:32um raising other people up as you go
1:47:34along oh yeah that you know as you get a
1:47:37platform as you have the opportunity to
1:47:39expose other people that are almost all
1:47:42of your time as a podcaster is slip
1:47:44streaming other people who have bigger
1:47:45platforms and then after a while you get
1:47:47to the stage where you can be that
1:47:48springboard for others right some
1:47:50unbelievably talented person that nobody
1:47:52knows about true statement there you go
1:47:54now the world can know about you he's
1:47:56done the best at that he's the best at
1:47:58that what about the rock if you Haven
1:48:00met him you ever trained with him never
1:48:03never we just
1:48:04dm'd and I was like I'm GNA give you a
1:48:08shot in the dark you know the guy
1:48:10follows me he knows about me whatever I
1:48:13was like this guy's so big man he ain't
1:48:14G [ __ ] it so I D in man within like 20
1:48:18minutes hey man what's up brother sends
1:48:21me a voice message in DM been following
1:48:24your work man love what you [ __ ] do
1:48:27blah blah blah blah blah oh yeah no
1:48:29problem man I'll I'll hook you up I'll
1:48:32be more than honor to hook you up and in
1:48:34the audio book what people don't know is
1:48:36I left him alone I was like hey man
1:48:38thank you I appreciate it I want to
1:48:40bother you go back to doing the great
1:48:42work that you do you're so busy so I was
1:48:45doing the audio book he was like Hey
1:48:47brother you want me to um you know read
1:48:49what I wrote for you for the Audi book
1:48:51and I was like
1:48:53yeah that's great that's how the idea
1:48:56came about it was actually The Rock's
1:48:58idea for him to do the blurb so then I
1:49:01got Joe Rogan and I got my mom to read
1:49:03the blurs so that came from him I wasn't
1:49:06G to put the blurbs in the audio book
1:49:08but he was like hey man I got a studio
1:49:11right here I'll blast it out send it
1:49:14over to you and we'll get it done that's
1:49:16a training session that the world wants
1:49:18to
1:49:19see I believe so I believe so
1:49:23that should be part of the book tour
1:49:25should be a training a training session
1:49:27between you guys talk me through what
1:49:29the next phase of your life has in store
1:49:32um so after this podcast I probably
1:49:34won't do another one for a very long
1:49:36time and I did my book came out on the
1:49:406th it's now the 16th I did my 10 days
1:49:42of the book and now it's done and now
1:49:46it's going back to the lab so now I go
1:49:48back go back to firefighting go back to
1:49:52finding another level of David gogins
1:49:54and that's
1:49:55done in quiet areas and finding more of
1:50:00myself finding these these spaces I
1:50:02haven't you know discovered yet in my
1:50:05mind and I really love that about life I
1:50:09love mastering
1:50:11self I love it I love it there there
1:50:15there's nothing more because I know
1:50:16where I came from and it's amazing that
1:50:20where I came from that person could have
1:50:22died that
1:50:26very fat lazy unfulfilled person and
1:50:31with inside that person was this person
1:50:33talking to you is very freaky to me and
1:50:37a lot of us have these two people that
1:50:39you have greatness way over here but you
1:50:44decide to live in this space over here
1:50:49because between greatness or between
1:50:51this space here and greatness there's a
1:50:54lot of [ __ ] work there's so much
1:50:57space to fill in with work and we just
1:50:59say [ __ ] it I just stay over here in
1:51:02this space so I like to [ __ ] examine
1:51:06all these spaces and there's there's
1:51:09still more there's still more still a
1:51:11lot more are you aiming to find peace at
1:51:14any point think about this I love that
1:51:17question I'm glad you I'm so glad you
1:51:19asked
1:51:21it you you know a little bit about
1:51:24me when you've come from that place I
1:51:26talk about to the place of him now it's
1:51:29not the peace you find it's the peace I
1:51:32find and I find so much peace in looking
1:51:36back at that young David 8 years old
1:51:39with white splashes on his face and
1:51:41stuttering and hair patches falling out
1:51:44and I look at him I'm like man there's
1:51:47so much peace in knowing what I've
1:51:49accomplished and what I've done so my
1:51:51peace may be different for others that's
1:51:54why I never critique or never judge
1:51:57anyone because I don't know your story
1:51:59where you come from I found peace years
1:52:02ago years
1:52:04ago in the battle in the battle you find
1:52:08peace when you go to war with yourself
1:52:10you find a lot of Peace because you know
1:52:13exactly who you are and that is where
1:52:16the peace is really found for
1:52:19me David you're a spectacular individual
1:52:22I really really appreciate your time uh
1:52:23the book is fantastic your message is
1:52:25fantastic uh I can't wait to see what
1:52:28you do next even if it takes 5 years I
1:52:30appreciate it my friend thank you thanks
1:52:31for having me thank you very much for
1:52:34tuning in I really hope that you enjoyed
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