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0:03baby
0:04for two young boys brutally murdered if
0:08you didn't do it then who did she's a
0:10psychopath a mother searches for the
0:13truth while on death Road it's all
0:15circumstan she really didn't have a
0:16motive but can a new investigation
0:19you're sitting there and you're lying to
0:21us uncover the
0:23truth somebody came into my home and
0:26murdered my children
0:39June 6th
0:411996 2:30 a.m. ret Texas an upscale
0:45neighborhood outside of
0:49Dallas stand baby
0:52stand 911 operators receive a disturbing
0:55call oh my God
1:00police find 6-year-old Deon roer and his
1:035-year-old brother Damon stabbed to
1:05death on a living room floor their
1:0726-year-old mother dolly roer is alive
1:10for bleeding profusely from multiple
1:12stab wounds and a gash across her
1:15throat her husband Darren is unharmed
1:18but in severe shock the couple's third
1:20child Drake only 7 months old is found
1:23safe upstairs in his
1:26crib Charlie's rushed to the hospital
1:29despite massive of bleeding doctors are
1:31able to save her
1:33life with a Grizzly double murder on
1:36their hands and the community in panic
1:39detectives frantically search for the
1:41killer 11 days later the police
1:44announced that darly roer has been
1:46arrested for the ruthless coldblooded
1:48killing of her own two children after
1:51only a single day of deliberations she's
1:54found guilty and sentenced to death by
1:56lethal
1:57injection for over 10 years roer has
2:00maintained her innocence claiming that
2:03she and her children had been attacked
2:04during a botched robbery and that the
2:07real killer is still out
2:10[Music]
2:13there my name is Jerry Palace I'm a
2:16private investigator and former
2:18detective with the New York City Police
2:20Department this is the transcript the uh
2:22part that they blacked out mm Court TV
2:24has asked me and my partner former NYPD
2:27homicide detective Reggie Brit to
2:30investigate this is this is really one
2:31way this testimony the case became big
2:34news and erupted into a media
2:36Circus the question on everyone's mind
2:39could a mother really have done
2:41something like this to her own children
2:43established the time of death between
2:45130 and 2 a.m. you got to look at when
2:48did he base the uh time of death on you
2:50testified the
2:52trial before heading down to Dallas we
2:55read through the transcripts police
2:57records and other court documents in our
2:59New York City office office but
3:01successful investigations aren't about
3:03documents and records the truth isn't in
3:06the folders it's in the eyes of the
3:08people who know what really
3:10[Music]
3:23happened they take their death row down
3:25here very seriously in Texas but this is
3:28not the place to commit a murder cuz
3:30you're going to go meet your maker for
3:35[Music]
3:39sure at the time of the murders dary's
3:42husband Darren was upstairs asleep their
3:45third son in a nearby
3:48crib Darren told investigators that when
3:50he heard his wife scream he jumped out
3:53of bed and ran downstairs assuming that
3:56an attacker was in the house he's been
3:59the controvers ual figure ever since
4:02some say he was involved in the crime
4:04can you take us back to that night June
4:066th
4:071996 we were all watching TV downstairs
4:10and darl had pop some popcorn and
4:12everything well the boys went upstairs
4:14and got their blankets and their pillows
4:16and it all laid down on the
4:17floor and me and darly talked you know
4:20about different things
4:22so I went up back upstairs and it was
4:25probably you know 11:00 or so after the
4:28news probably and uh climbed into bed
4:32and went to sleep and the next thing I
4:35hear was this glass break like you know
4:38but far
4:39away and then I hear D darly just
4:43screaming you know Daren daring daring
4:45Dar I mean just freaking out I mean you
4:47know yeah it jarred me and you know I
4:50jumped up I run down the stairs as fast
4:53as I can I looked up I'm yelling at her
4:56what the hell happened you know she
4:57grabs the phone she's running back back
4:59and forth I'm trying to give Deon CPR
5:02and as soon as I blow into his mouth I
5:04mean air just comes out of his chest Jes
5:06Christ I didn't know what to do you know
5:09I mean you know you're just you're just
5:12freaking I mean just trying to do
5:14everything that you can trying to
5:17logically think about what just happened
5:20and then you're you know and all you can
5:22do is just set there on the curb and
5:24watch your whole life just be gone
5:29is this little town right small little
5:31town yeah nothing like this ever
5:34happened the stranger came in at my
5:35house stranger came in and killed my
5:38kids took my kids and almost took my
5:40wife and if darly had died I'd be on
5:41death row you would be with this Police
5:44Department that's exactly true because
5:46the truth has nothing to do with it
5:48somebody had to be responsible for it
5:51did the police question you as a suspect
5:53did you think that they thought you were
5:55a suspect I think I was so stupid I
5:57didn't even think that they thought that
5:59was possibility well how did you feel
6:02when they arrested your wife
6:05devastated and in shock
6:08and wanting to
6:11prove that they were wrong you said you
6:14didn't realize she was hurt until you
6:16came back in the house right is that
6:17true yeah what did you say to her
6:20then you remember I made her
6:22promise when I helped her get on the
6:24gurnie I made her a promise that I would
6:26find out who did this she asked you for
6:29that
6:30right yeah because she didn't think she
6:32was going to make it
6:34really I didn't what what did she say to
6:36you that you promised of that what did
6:38she say do you remember her words she
6:39said I want you to promise me that you
6:41find out who did this and take care of
6:49it I was looking at him and looking into
6:52his eyes realizing just how much he's
6:55still in love with his wife and when he
6:58talked about those boys
7:01he's
7:05suffering at her trial dary's defense
7:08attorney relied on evidence found at the
7:10house which he argued pointed towards an
7:13attempted Breakin but the jury didn't
7:16buy
7:16[Music]
7:18it I think she's got one more one more
7:22appeal about her DNA that's what the
7:24unknown male it was an unknown male's
7:26DNA found yeah they did elimination and
7:29some unknown male and they haven't been
7:31able to put a name to
7:34that now dar's lawyers claim that the
7:37cops missed critical forensic evidence
7:39including a bloody fingerprint that
7:41contained unknown male
7:44DNA Steve Cooper heads up darley's new
7:47defense team the state theory was that
7:50darly Lyn murdered her sons then staged
7:54the crime scene and then inflicted the
7:58wounds on herself but we have a couple
8:01of things that match to an intruder that
8:03only for instance this bloody
8:05fingerprint uh then we can paint a
8:07picture that would demonstrate that in
8:09fact there was a non-family member in
8:12the house that night this is all new
8:14evidence this basically right and it
8:16wasn't in record at all no the
8:18improvements in DNA testing in 10 years
8:21is just incredible well if Dolly Lynn
8:24didn't do it then who did or why I think
8:28it's quite likely that it was a burglary
8:32uh attempt and somebody wasn't expecting
8:34to find an adult and two children on the
8:36living room floor at 3:00 in the morning
8:39but this is a crime that went terribly
8:41wrong right I believe so I think it's
8:43the most likely U probability the
8:46state's case was entirely
8:49circumstantial and mostly in involving
8:52around character assassination wanting
8:54to claim that these children were in her
8:57way and she was just this uh large
9:00breasted blond-haired you know Floy in
9:03in a Dallas suburb who was you know
9:06trying to get rid of these bothersome
9:08kids how confident do you feel that the
9:11courts may give you this I mean we're in
9:15the state of Texas where um we like to
9:17kill people and our courts um uh uphold
9:21the vast majority of death
9:27sentences you're looking at the evidence
9:30uh there's some fingerprint evidence
9:32there that that doesn't match right
9:35anybody right then the supposedly The
9:37Intruders could have been a set up for a
9:39burglary or something like that the
9:41burglary that went real bad it's all
9:43circumstantial you really doesn't have a
9:45motive what's the motive that's the
9:47possibility that you might be the wrong
9:50person so far the picture being painted
9:53for us wasn't pretty no motive outdated
9:56DNA testing and new evidence that true
10:00pointed to an unknown male Intruder but
10:033 weeks into our investigation we'd
10:06already spent more time looking into
10:08this case than the original detectives
10:10had and at this point we had serious
10:12doubts if dolly roer was the right
10:15person
10:20[Music]
10:33[Music]
10:40hi this is Jerry Palace from qu TV uh if
10:43you could please give me a call we were
10:44trying to get in touch with the
10:46detectives who had been involved with
10:48the case we wanted to know what they had
10:51to say about the new DNA evidence that
10:53pointed to a male perpetrator neighbors
10:56this is a direct life for but so far we
10:58weren't having much luck finding them it
11:00must be a small department when
11:02investigators first arrived on the scene
11:05they found darly bleeding from wounds to
11:07her arms and neck screaming hysterically
11:10that someone had broken into her home
11:11and killed her two
11:13sons a search of the residents found
11:16nothing missing but the police did find
11:18the murder weapon a knife from roer's
11:21own kitchen then something puzzling in
11:25an alley almost a football fields
11:27distance from the house lay one of her
11:28husband and socks splattered with spots
11:31of blood later identified as belonging
11:33to their two murdered sons from all our
11:36years on the force Reggie and I had come
11:39across some strange pieces of evidence
11:41but this one stumped us it just didn't
11:44make any sense there have been an
11:46intruder yeah there could have been an
11:47intruder the only thing I don't like
11:48about it as far as the Intruder Theory
11:50goes is the fact that somebody broke in
11:54goes in there commit some sort of
11:56burglary kills two kids nearly kills the
11:58mother and leaves and 75 yards away down
12:02an alley is a sock is a sock belonging
12:05to the husband that has some blood on it
12:08at trial the prosecution set out to
12:10prove that Dolly had murdered her two
12:12boys rans sack the living room so it
12:14would look like a
12:16Breakin DED one of her husband's socks
12:18in blood from both of her dead Sons ran
12:21down an alley to plant the sock then
12:23came back stabbed her arm with a knife
12:26used the same knife to slash her own
12:27throat then called
12:29911 and this is where the sock was found
12:32this is an overhead view of the house
12:33you can see it here's the house three
12:35four houses down about four houses down
12:38here's where the sock is
12:40found it's got Devon and Damon's blood
12:42on it and this is Darren
12:48sock beautiful homes man look at
12:51this this has got to be on your side
12:54right here yeah there it is right on
12:56left it's all lit up that's it right
12:57there y
12:59sock was found in this Alleyway this is
13:01highend District here there's some
13:03alarms lights motion detectors and
13:05things you know I think lights will be
13:06popping on and off
13:09here you know regie this the thing that
13:11gets me is why does a socket attached to
13:13this murderer and dropped here in this
13:15alley and where do you go from here if
13:17you're not from this neighborhood this
13:18house where it's at the way it's
13:20secluded It Don't Fit the other side of
13:24they ran through the back out the
13:26alleyway the sock it just doesn't fit
13:29any bad guy I'll tell you they're always
13:31looking for a way out you know they
13:33don't want to be cornered and you back
13:35here you would get
13:41cornered right near the karate
13:44artery Dolly rouer had no criminal
13:46record in fact up to this point she
13:49never had much involvement with the
13:50police aside from watching Lauren
13:53order could she really be the kind of
13:55person who would kill her own children
13:58and then slash her own
14:01throat the 911 call seemed like it
14:04should have been a critical part of
14:05dary's
14:07[Music]
14:10defense's me you listen to the call
14:12sounds it sounds like a legit call I
14:14mean you could hear a real frantic woman
14:17her emotions are really running
14:19[Applause]
14:22High Toby shook who prosecuted darly
14:25never bought into the 911
14:28call to him it was all an act a
14:30desperate woman who resorted to
14:32Desperate Measures to get what she
14:34wanted I think what got the
14:36investigator's attention first very low
14:38crime neighborhood not no no violent
14:40crimes occurs in the neighborhood and
14:42it's obvious in this crime that the
14:44object of the attack were the boys these
14:46were devastating wounds penetrating
14:48knife wounds that went through their
14:49entire bodies Charlie rer had a
14:51superficial wound to her neck and one to
14:54her arm 2 days after she was released
14:57from the hospital she came to the police
14:58station and this would be about four or
15:005 days after the murder and showed up
15:02with these massive bruises on the inside
15:04of her arms how many days later she
15:07showed up two days after being released
15:08hospital I believe she she realized the
15:10police weren't believing her story we
15:12showed all those bruises to the nurses
15:15who attended her and the uh the
15:17Physicians that attended her they said
15:19that these bruises weren't there my
15:22argument uh and maintained also is that
15:25if this supposed to be some guy who's in
15:26there who wants to to kill darly rouer
15:30uh and he's hitting her so hard that
15:31he's calling these massive bruises on
15:33the inside of arms how come he didn't
15:34smash her in the face you know how come
15:36he didn't bust her in the nose and the
15:37mouth she can identify why do you leave
15:40her alive so she can identify but of
15:42course darling got amnesia it's luckiest
15:45killer in the world the witness who can
15:46put you on death row she gets amnesia
15:48and can't remember anything about you I
15:51agree with you I mean there somebody
15:52breaking in killing two kids and she's
15:54left with a cut why isn't she finished
15:56off right just didn't make sense and her
15:59story just wasn't adding up no stranger
16:02would come in the house that way it's
16:03very illogical uh you know he said first
16:06of all we look at uh it's a very low
16:08crime area these kinds of killings don't
16:10happen secondly this neighborhood is
16:12hard to get in and get out of uh if
16:14you're going to commit a crime like this
16:16especially or even a burglar you want
16:18some easy access you had to kind of
16:19wander around through the neighborhood
16:21you had the Andrea yat is that that was
16:23in Texas correct where she drowned her
16:25children I mean and they attribute that
16:27something to the postpartum depression
16:28question would did you ever think of
16:30that in these terms at all no psychotic
16:32there was no evidence she was suffering
16:34from anything like Andrea Yates had a
16:36long psychological history and was
16:38hearing voices this was a this is a
16:40killing that you have then you want to
16:41cover the crime up I know you're not a
16:44doctor but how would you sum up her
16:46behavior and describing her how would
16:48you describe her as a
16:50person she's a
16:54[Music]
16:56psychopath I got I got to tell you you
16:58this is some hell of a bruise isn't it
17:00how does you hold somebody down I don't
17:02know that's and create a bruise like
17:04that it look like a truck ran over this
17:06guy was holding it down she had to be
17:08struggling to create bruises like this
17:09because they run from here down to the
17:13wrist we only got circumstantial aidence
17:15got no witness statements but his
17:17circumstantial aidence and the way he
17:19explained it makes it look very bad for
17:23DOL a close friend of Dolly's testified
17:26that she had become depressed after the
17:28birth of her third son and had even
17:30threatened to commit
17:32suicide and several other people told us
17:35that darly and Darren had been having
17:37problems including arguments about money
17:41keeping up with the Joneses was tearing
17:42them
17:44apart there's a lot of evidence here I
17:46mean you know I I just don't buy the
17:48bloody sock 75 yards away found in the
17:50alley I don't buy the Intruder you know
17:54guys come in what do they do you know
17:56one or two whoever it was comes in and
17:59kills two kids like that and she gets
18:02slashed how come they don't kill
18:04her 5 weeks into our
18:07investigation Reggie and I had
18:09completely changed our opinion of darly
18:11we began thinking more and more that she
18:14was where she belonged behind
18:18bars but we' soon come across evidence
18:21that would take everything we' learned
18:23about this case so far and turn it on
18:25its head somebody came into my home and
18:28murdered my children and me dead
18:31somebody you left your children for
18:34[Music]
18:49[Music]
18:53dead look at that blank St man at this
18:56point in our investigation we had
18:58learned a lot about Dolly roer we knew
19:01that at the time of the murder she and
19:03her husband Darren had been fighting
19:04about
19:05money was it the mom
19:09darly even though she sustained some uh
19:13some wounds right near the karate artery
19:16supp he missed it by a few
19:19[Music]
19:24millimeters a few days after they were
19:26murdered 5-year-old Damon and 6-year-old
19:29Devon were laid to
19:34rest Devon and Damon
19:38[Music]
19:42yep Devin Damon little
19:48kids cemetery West Haven Memorial par
19:53the final resting place in those small
19:56little boys Deon and Damon man
20:00one of the most vicious murders in Texas
20:03in our town in the country 8 days before
20:05his
20:07[Music]
20:09birthday just days after the burials a
20:12local news station broadcast footage of
20:15Dolly at the grave site the prosecution
20:17used the tape as proof that dolly was a
20:20Sinister monster out of control and out
20:22of touch of
20:24reality but dar's mother and sister say
20:27the tape was taking completely out of
20:32context we met them at their home in
20:34Plano Texas Two Towns over from where
20:37the murders took
20:40place the big story about this is the
20:43Silly String that was your idea for the
20:45Silly String you're the one that bought
20:47that and brought that there and you can
20:49tell us about it it was the most
20:51ridiculous thing you know Devon was
20:54fixing to be seven we were having a
20:57birthday party for him he was so so
20:58excited and then all this happened you
21:01know his friends had gone out and bought
21:03gifts and then we had to explain to his
21:05friends and the neighborhood children
21:08that someone had come in and killed them
21:10and I mean how do you explain that to
21:11Little Children You know little children
21:14don't understand the grieving process
21:16like adults they don't understand death
21:18and you know these horrible things that
21:21happen so what children they that day in
21:24addition to yourselves we had a prayer
21:26service a prayer service and we planned
21:29to be there at the grave site that
21:31evening so all the kids could come and
21:34since obviously we weren't going to have
21:36the party it was just a way for us to
21:38all gather and to be together and to
21:40feel close and comfort and it wasn't a
21:44celebration of their death oh yay
21:47they're dead woohoo it
21:49was it's their birthday you know you see
21:52that that's the thing that was looked at
21:55examined by so many people people said
21:57was wrong it was appropriate it was so
22:00ridiculous they sat there and they
22:01watched that tape over and over and over
22:03again who watched it the jurs the jurors
22:05they didn't watch anything but the Silly
22:07String part so you believe I was never
22:10allowed to testify nobody ever asked me
22:12a single question about that that's too
22:14bad so darly sets in in death row
22:17because of silly string and overzealous
22:19prosecutors and bad police
22:22work she was wonderful she really was
22:25and it's very lonely without her
22:29[Music]
22:33she's walking around with a lot of guilt
22:35she really feels that she put her sister
22:40on death row with that silly stream
22:42incident meant so much to the jurors
22:44that they watch it so many times during
22:45a conviction of Dary and if it would
22:48have been explained the way she did I
22:51think they would have seen it in a lot
22:52different way later that evening we met
22:55with Tom Holland's head the retired DEA
22:58agent troubled by what took place at
23:00dar's trial he spent the past few years
23:03taking a look at the case for himself he
23:05agreed that at 22nd tape of a woman
23:07shooting Silly String was the final blow
23:10that convicted dolly
23:12rouer when the defense attorney was
23:15cross-examining the lead
23:17investigator he got a half about halfway
23:20through and the judge advised him to
23:22take the fifth which investigator was
23:25that this was Jimmy Patterson because
23:27Patterson had wir tap and the the grave
23:30site looking for a gravite confession
23:33the fact that a police officer took the
23:35Fifth Amendment to me as a jury that
23:37would be the end of their credibility I
23:39have never and I've testified I can't
23:41take hundreds of homicide trials I have
23:44never took a fifth amendment sitting on
23:46the web it's against self-incrimination
23:48and you're the you're the you're the
23:49you're the officer the lead officer in
23:51the case I can't imagine the judge
23:53allowing a capital murder case to
23:56continue when you can't cross-examine
23:58the lead investigator because he took
24:00the Fifth Amendment that's incredible
24:02but I'm going to tell you there's not
24:04one piece of direct
24:06evidence not really one piece of
24:08credible evidence why she should spend
24:1110 years on death row or certainly be
24:17executed you don't do that without a
24:19court order you just can't WAP somebody
24:22listen to a conversation let alone the
24:25uh the video the Audio I mean that's
24:27police work 101 you know that stuff I
24:29think that it should have been thrown
24:31that that whole thing should have been
24:33thrown out based on the investigator
24:35taking the Fifth Amendment if those
24:36things are true I think it's really big
24:38I mean uh to me it it sounds like darly
24:41could be the wrong woman in prison
24:46really and something like this we have
24:49all circumstantial evidence I say you
24:51know what go through everything whatever
24:54it is if there's some DNA evidence blood
24:57fingerprints whatever it take it all do
24:59it all test everything so we could then
25:01we could at least say listen we did
25:03everything the defense asked we checked
25:05it all out they got the Unexplained
25:07print and they they believe they have
25:09some DNA on the sock and I think that's
25:11why they got exhaust all these things
25:14because imagine putting somebody there's
25:15no taking her back once you execute her
25:17it's
25:19[Music]
25:21over calling Lieutenant David naavis we
25:25tried to follow up with the cops
25:30hi this is Jerry Palace from qu TV uh if
25:33you could please give me a
25:35call
25:37investigations hi this is Jerry Palace
25:39from Court TV I'm looking for officer
25:42patteron police department this is Jerry
25:45pal from Court TV I'd like to leave a
25:47message for James patteron our
25:49investigation took on a new sense of
25:52urgency Reggie and I were becoming more
25:54and more convinced that an innocent
25:56woman might be sitting on death row and
25:59the Clock Was ticking it's about these
26:01two kids I mean they're the real victims
26:04in this they their life was cut so short
26:06so fast Reggie what does it mean if
26:08Dolly's innocent they got the wrong
26:10person in jail yeah and the right and
26:13the right person is still out there
26:14that's the real scary part man that a
26:17monster like that can be out there I
26:19tell you one thing I'd be locking my
26:23doors the next day we met with skip
26:26hollandsworth a local journalist who has
26:28covered dar's case from the very
26:30beginning beautiful area nice home he
26:32claimed to have information about dar's
26:34husband Darren that would blow our
26:36investigation wide open
26:40thanks if darly the victim says my
26:43husband Darren had nothing to do with it
26:45and the evidence and the prosecution
26:47goes with her why would they go after
26:49Darren why would they go after Darren
26:51yeah I got to know this defense attorney
26:54that was handling the appeals named
26:55Steven Cooper and he said to me Darren's
26:58father-in-law Bob key has suddenly
27:00remembered Darren coming to him a few
27:02weeks before the murder and
27:04saying I am broke I need to find someone
27:09who's going to break into my house steal
27:11all my stuff my furniture my jewelry my
27:14valuables hide it away in a U-Haul I
27:17will claim the insurance get the
27:19insurance money and I'll be back to even
27:22and then load up my house with this
27:23furniture that's been hidden away and I
27:26said well is that true and Cooper says
27:29go ask Darren go ask Darren so I meet
27:32Darren at a
27:33restaurant and I
27:35said did you hire somebody to try to
27:38break into your home and burglarize it
27:40and there was this long silence and he
27:42says are you going to print this and I
27:44said yeah and he said okay I did it I
27:49was asking
27:50around and I said did you hire anybody
27:52he said I never hired anybody but I did
27:56let the word out the story changes
28:00everything if true because it provides a
28:04motive it provides an answer to a
28:07question that has haunted everyone why
28:09would someone break into a nicely lit
28:11home in the middle of the night on the
28:13CAC of a pleasant little sub Suburban
28:16neighborhood and just walk in and stab
28:19two kids to death and cut the throat of
28:21their mother and slice her across the
28:23arm and then walk out well did you buy
28:26the story do you think it was for real
28:27that did you Darren was hardly blameless
28:30there had been evidence that he had uh
28:32tried to get someone to steal his jaguar
28:35and take it to a Chop Shop when he was
28:36going broke in
28:381996 and there's always been the
28:40question of what did Darren do after he
28:44discovered that his children had been
28:47stabbed to death mhm
28:50and that mystery which the prosecutors
28:54never went into during the trial because
28:57their trial was focused solely on darly
29:01and what was your next question to him
29:03are you making up this story to give
29:05darly some wiggle room so when the court
29:08of appeals hears about this they might
29:10give her a new trial and what was his
29:12reply he said no and I said do you
29:17realize that this story if found to be
29:20true could put you on the spot and right
29:23in the hair trigger of The Da he goes
29:27with the pause I want to tell you the
29:29truth but I don't want to do anything
29:32that might get me arrested and
29:34railroaded like darling
29:39did the outside chance that this could
29:42be true and maybe he set up his home to
29:45be burglarized and the word went out
29:47yeah this guy's looking to get his house
29:49burglarized and two guys one guy
29:51whatever comes out and does this you
29:54know and it turns bad and he winds up
29:55killing two kids and and trying to kill
29:58darly you know and it also leads to the
30:01other side of the right man wrong man
30:04who committed his homicide there is some
30:06Reasonable Doubt about this whether
30:09Dolly did this herself was she whether
30:11she was helped by her husband or whether
30:13he orchestrated this whole thing with a
30:16a burglary attempt that went terribly
30:19bad and two children wound up dead as a
30:24result after a little asking around it
30:26was easy enough to fine f it seemed
30:29everyone either knew him or knew someone
30:32who knew
30:36him you're Barry five can we ask you a
30:39question yeah we wanted to talk to you
30:42about the The Dol Rodier case do you
30:45remember that yeah there were my
30:46neighbors over there well apparently
30:48there were allegations made about you
30:51and Daron that he wanted to maybe
30:55arrange for a burglary of his own house
30:57do you remember
30:58he didn't talk to me about it do you
31:00think darly is the right person do you
31:02know anything about Dary what kind of
31:03person she was I think he did it I think
31:05he did it the whole time you think he
31:06did it I think Darren did it I just
31:08think he snapped you think Darren
31:10snapped yeah and when I went over there
31:13the first thing he told me he said uh he
31:17said rough night rough he called it a
31:19rough night that's it that's it didn't
31:21say anything about the kids or anything
31:23but if he I he did it ran upstairs and
31:25acted like he was sleeping or whatever
31:26he did or you know why why why but why
31:29didn't he kill
31:30Dary I think he tried and she just lived
31:33that's what I
31:38think he thought that Darren is the one
31:41that killed his children and C he kind
31:44of denied the stolen C thing that Darren
31:48ever came to him about his
31:52Jaguar F told us that he believed Darren
31:55had snapped due to his declining
31:57Financial situation and had killed his
32:00two young boys in a blind rage the other
32:03thing we have to find out about Darren
32:04is any involvement with the Barry F you
32:07know what about that is there any truth
32:09to that and if so uh what was it I think
32:12at this point he also knows that his
32:14name is being dropped around oh yeah he
32:17knows you know that he's could be
32:18involved in this somehow had some jugle
32:21things at it that weren't explored right
32:23supposedly The Intruders could have been
32:25a setup for a bur that went real bad
32:28course Darren was out there you know he
32:30had done an insurance scan before or at
32:32least contemplated one this could have
32:34been another one and just went ugly it
32:36went real ugly you know so there's a few
32:38things here as two former NYPD
32:42detectives we had done the sort of thing
32:44hundreds of times before but with this
32:47investigation nothing was what it seemed
32:50around Each corner instead of answers we
32:52only found more
32:54questions questions that can only be
32:56answered by darly
32:59herself it was time to go face to face
33:01with darling several people who had
33:04previously spoken to her Wonders that
33:07she was a pro at telling her story over
33:09and over again after all she's been
33:12doing it for over 10 years they're sure
33:14waiting the Frid this young lady because
33:16it's been since
33:181996 yeah it's 10 years already she's
33:21almost at the end of her appeals at this
33:23point you know I I would think this
33:26death sentence is going to be carried
33:28out uh probably the next few years
33:30that's the last that's say a few more
33:32years and that's about it the prison had
33:34strict rules about interviews we'd only
33:37have 40 minutes and would have to talk
33:39to her through bulletproof glass darly
33:42knew this was one of her last chances to
33:44convince people of her innocence if her
33:47final appeal is denied she'll likely be
33:50executed by lethal
33:52injection can I ask you one question yes
33:55do you still love your husband
33:58I still have love for my husband if you
34:00were to leave here today would you be
34:02with your husband no I would not why
34:05because I found out things that I didn't
34:07know about back then like
34:10what well I found out that Darren was
34:15talking to somebody about having the
34:17house set up for an insurance scam an
34:20insurance hit whatever it's called Barry
34:24five yes Barry five and and and they had
34:28talked about having his car stolen and
34:33Barry took the
34:34car and I was mad so if we're to believe
34:39that somebody broke in to burglarize
34:40your home that night and I you know I
34:43did I worked on a lot of cases I was in
34:45the police department 20 years I saw a
34:47lot of burglaries this is a this is a
34:49night burglar it's a cat burglar they
34:51rarely come in looking for weapons they
34:53have their own weapons and they take
34:55care of business they just come in here
34:56to kill two little innocent children
34:59kill them and almost leave you for dead
35:02we have to believe that right if you
35:04didn't do it then who did are you you're
35:07trying to implicate your husband in this
35:09no I'm not trying to implicate my
35:11husband at all I'm trying to tell the
35:14facts and no I hear the facts but it
35:15sounds like you're trying to implicate
35:17your husband doesn't it sound like that
35:19to you for answers maybe you had some
35:21financial problems is that enough to
35:23kill someone I know I did not kill my
35:25children and if you will talk to to
35:28other doctors and psychiatrists people
35:30that have been tacked people that have
35:32been in severe trauma evidence points to
35:36nobody being in that house but you
35:38Darren and your children somebody came
35:40into my home and murdered my children
35:43and me that is actually they didn't
35:46murder you doly they didn't Mur me for
35:48dead somebody you left your children for
35:51dead no I you left your children for
35:53them you're sitting there and you're
35:54lying to us no I'm not you're lying to
35:56us L I'm not
35:58we're looking at the killer right now
36:00doly ly Routier you haven't shed one
36:03tear since we're sitting here so that
36:06makes me not one not a tear you can well
36:09up theise but you can't make a tear come
36:11down you don't know what I do in the
36:13tears I've cried when I am by myself if
36:15you didn't kill your children who killed
36:18them I don't
36:22know Reggie and I purposely put dolly
36:25through the ringer and she held up well
36:28but we still weren't sure you're lying
36:31to us later that evening we popped in
36:33the tape of the interview and watched it
36:35to see if there's something we
36:37missed you know this scenario is
36:39possible and burglar one real bad look
36:42at the emotions she's showing I know
36:45maybe there's some maybe some truth to
36:46this thing this the thing that gets me
36:48about death penalty cases you have to
36:50review these things before you put
36:51someone to death you make sure I mean
36:53the bloody fingerprint that youan know
36:56about there's no taking it back when
36:58execute her it's
37:00[Music]
37:06[Music]
37:12over whether it was darly herself a
37:16complete stranger or if the murder
37:18somehow involved Darren both Reggie and
37:20I had a hunch that killing the two young
37:22rouer boys wasn't supposed to happen but
37:26it did and both darly and Darren have
37:28paid a high price as a shadow will hang
37:31over each of them for the rest of their
37:34lives in the end despite dar's
37:37conviction Reggie and I weren't
37:39convinced she was put away largely on
37:41circumstantial evidence to thin and
37:43flimsy to put someone to death
37:47[Music]

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