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3:40USA Today ran an article about parents
3:42who killed their children or philicide
3:45the article cites three decades of FBI
3:48homicide data that shows on average 450
3:52children are killed every year by their
3:54parents
3:55Northeastern University criminologists
3:58Applied statistical models to the
4:01records USA Today analyzed the database
4:04for a detailed look at who kills who is
4:07killed and how
4:09several patterns are apparent the vast
4:12majority of child victims three out of
4:14four are under five years of age
4:17nearly half of all victims died from
4:20physical beatings or other injuries at
4:22the parents hands
4:24fathers are more likely to kill
4:27quote violence is a masculine Pursuit
4:29says Jack Levin a Northeastern
4:32University criminologist
4:34when mothers kill they are far more
4:37likely to kill victims under the age of
4:39one than children of any other age
4:42psychiatrists and criminologists say
4:45parents who killed their children tend
4:47to fit one of five categories
4:50a parent suffering a psychotic break
4:53a parent who thinks he is killing out of
4:55altruism
4:56because he doesn't want a child to grow
4:58up without him a parent acting out of
5:01revenge against a spouse or partner a
5:04parent who kills an unwanted child a
5:07parent who kills from neglect or
5:09recklessness
5:10quote they are all twisted perspectives
5:13of Love loyalty and altruism Levin says
5:17there are mixed motives in many of these
5:20cases when a parent is accused of
5:22killing a child it dominates headlines
5:24in social media
5:26people are fascinated by this says Sarah
5:29West a forensic psychiatrist at
5:31University Hospital's Case Medical
5:33Center in Cleveland
5:35it's an unfathomable concept
5:38this week we examine one of the most
5:40highly debated cases to come out of the
5:42great state of Texas
5:44a case that had everyone asking did the
5:47mommy do it
5:49Darley rotier was a young wife and
5:52mother of three but did she murder two
5:54of her sons
5:55that will be for you to decide this is
5:59true crime garage and this is the case
6:02of darlie rotier
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6:16True Crime writers is the great almost
6:20legendary status skip hollandsworth who
6:24writes for Texas monthly magazine and
6:27I'm using some paragraphs from a piece
6:29he did for Texas monthly's special crime
6:32issue back in July of 2002. here skip
6:36briefly takes us through some events
6:39leading up to the attack as well as
6:41events after the murder of two small
6:44boys the people in this True Crime Story
6:47are parents Darren and Darley rotier and
6:50their three sons Damon Devin and Drake
6:54on June 5th the boys played in the hot
6:57tub and that evening Damon and Devin
7:00huddled under blankets in front of a
7:02television Darren had just installed in
7:05the living room Darley and Darren would
7:08later say that they stayed up talking
7:10past midnight they kissed each other
7:13good night
7:14Darren went upstairs to the master
7:16bedroom where Drake then just seven
7:18months old was asleep while Darley
7:21curled up on the couch downstairs next
7:24to the two older boys
7:26she had been sleeping on the couch that
7:28week she said because she wanted to
7:31watch over Damon and Devin who had been
7:33spending the night downstairs since
7:35school let out and because she was a
7:38light sleeper and would sometimes be
7:40awakened by Drake turning over in his
7:42crib
7:43a few hours later a 9-1-1 dispatcher in
7:47roulette received a frantic call
7:50someone came in here Darley screamed
7:53they just stabbed me in my children
7:55in the early morning hours of June 6
7:591996. Devin rotier who was six and Damon
8:03five were murdered as they slept on the
8:05ground floor of the family's well-kept
8:07brick home and roulette a suburb east of
8:11Dallas
8:12Devin was stabbed twice in the chest
8:14with such force that the knife almost
8:16went all the way through his body
8:19Damon was stabbed half a dozen or more
8:21times in the back
8:23Darley who was also sleeping downstairs
8:25had two slice wounds to her right
8:28forearm and one in her left shoulder and
8:31her throat had been cut
8:33doctors said she survived only because
8:35the knife stopped two millimeters short
8:37of her carotid artery
8:40in a written statement given to the
8:42police a few days later Darley then 26
8:45told the following story
8:48she was awakened by Damon's cries of
8:50mommy mommy
8:52in the dark she didn't even notice she
8:54was hurt
8:55she saw a man moving through the kitchen
8:57and followed him as he went toward the
8:59garage
9:00when she got to the utility room she saw
9:03a knife and picked it up
9:05only then she said did she return to
9:07find Devin and Damon and realized that
9:10she had been stabbed too
9:12darley's husband Darren who was sleeping
9:14upstairs with their infant son Drake
9:16came downstairs after hearing his wife
9:19screams and began administering CPR to
9:22Devin
9:23by then the assailant had disappeared
9:26twelve days after Damon's and Devin's
9:29deaths the police arrested Darley for
9:31their murders
9:32they had no eyewitnesses no confession
9:34and no motive what they did have was an
9:37intriguing trail of circumstantial
9:39evidence that suggested there was no
9:41Intruder that night
9:43physical evidence suggested that Darley
9:45had staged the crime doctor's statements
9:47suggested her wounds were self-inflicted
9:49and there was a peculiar scene caught on
9:52videotape a few days after the murders
9:54on what would have been Devin's seventh
9:57birthday Darley drove to the cemetery
9:59with friends and family wished her son a
10:01happy birthday and then sprayed Silly
10:03String all over his grave
10:05quote here's a mother who has supposedly
10:08been the victim of a violent crime said
10:10Dallas County assistant district
10:12attorney Greg Davis the lead prosecutor
10:14in the case
10:16she has just lost two children and yet
10:19she's out there literally dancing on
10:22their graves after the murders Darley
10:25gave conflicting accounts of what
10:27exactly the Intruder had done to her
10:30one officer said she told him that she
10:33had struggled with her assailant on the
10:34couch
10:35another officer said she told him the
10:38struggle was at the kitchen counter a
10:41friend who talked to Darley while she
10:44was in the hospital said Darley told her
10:46that she remembered lying on the couch
10:48as the man was running the knife over
10:50her face but in her formal written
10:53statement to police Darley said her only
10:56view of the man came as he was walking
10:58away from the couch she said she just
11:01couldn't remember any distinct details
11:04about the attack or the killer except
11:07that he was wearing dark clothes and a
11:10baseball cap was it really possible that
11:13Darley who could be awakened by her baby
11:16moving in his crib had slept through the
11:19stabbings of her sons a few feet away
11:21now Captain roulette PD were suspicious
11:24regarding darlie early in their
11:27investigation saying that they were
11:29tipped off by a few different things one
11:33being the 9-1-1 call
11:34darley's Behavior and the crime scene
11:38evidence versus darley's account of the
11:41events of that night we're gonna play a
11:43little clip of her 911 call it's really
11:46hard to make out what's happening but
11:48just so you can hear her energy on the
11:50call and then how intense the call is
11:58[Music]
12:03ready
12:10thank you
12:12ma'am
12:18[Music]
12:20I was trying to get an ambulances
12:25[Music]
12:26[Applause]
12:40[Music]
12:55[Laughter]
13:05[Music]
13:07calm down and talk to me
13:09[Music]
13:11Eagles
13:19man listen listen to me
13:27and that was just the brief start of a
13:31call that came into the Rowlett Police
13:33Department June 6 1996 at 2 31 A.M
13:39and because the police are saying that
13:42this is one of the things that pointed
13:44them toward Darley as being their prime
13:47suspect in the murder of her two sons I
13:50think that we should go through the
13:52transcript of that call to see if we
13:54agree with their assessment and reading
13:56for the responders will have the captain
13:58and reading for Darley rotir you have
14:01yours truly roulette 911 what is your
14:04emergency somebody came here they broke
14:07in ma'am they just stabbed me and my
14:09children what they stabbed me and my
14:12kids my little boys who who did my
14:15little boy is dying hang on hang on hang
14:18on hurry stand by for medical emergency
14:21ma'am hang on ma'am ma'am unknown
14:24medical emergency
14:265801 Eagle Drive ma'am ma'am I'm trying
14:30to get an ambulance to you hang on a
14:33minute oh my God my babies are dying
14:35what's going on ma'am oh my God thought
14:37he was dead oh my God
14:39I don't even know attention
14:42901 unknown medical emergency
14:465801 I don't even know Eagle Drive box
14:51238 cross street Linda Vista and
14:54Willowbrook attention
14:57901 medical emergency who was breathing
15:00are they still lying there maybe
15:02possibly stabbing
15:045801 Eagle Drive box 238 cross street
15:09Linda Vista and Willowbrook oh my God
15:12what do we do timeout 2 32. oh my God oh
15:17my God needs units going towards 5801
15:21Eagle Drive 5801 Eagle Drive oh my God
15:24my baby's dead Damon hold on honey
15:27hysterical female on the phone says her
15:30child has been stabbed I saw them Darren
15:33oh my God came in here ma'am I need you
15:36to calm down and talk to me okay didn't
15:38you get my address
15:405801 Eagle yes we need help Darren I
15:43don't know who it was we gotta find who
15:46it was ma'am ma'am listen listen to me
15:49yes yes oh my God oh my God ma'am yes I
15:55need you to I need you to talk to me
15:57what what what my babies are dead do you
16:01want honey hold on ma'am I can't
16:03understand you you yes you're going to
16:05have to slow down calm down and talk to
16:07me I'm talking to my babies they're
16:09dying what is going on somebody came in
16:12while I was sleeping me and my little
16:14boys were sleeping downstairs some man
16:16came in stabbed my baby stabbed me I
16:19woke up I was fighting he ran out
16:21through the garage threw the knife down
16:23my babies are dying they're dead oh my
16:25God okay stay on the phone oh my God
16:28what happened hold on honey hold on who
16:32was on it was the white phone hold on
16:35they are wondering when we need to
16:38dispatch so I sent a double team oh my
16:41God oh my God
16:43okay thanks oh my God oh my God ma'am
16:47who's there with you Karen ma'am what is
16:51there anyone in the house besides you
16:53and your children no my husband he just
16:56ran downstairs he's helping me but they
16:58are dying oh my God they're dead okay
17:00okay how many little boys is it two boys
17:04there's two of them there's two
17:07what's a cross street on the address on
17:10Eagle oh my God who would do this listen
17:12to me calm down I feel really bad I
17:16think I'm dying when are they going to
17:18be here 5801 Eagle Drive
17:215801 Eagle Drive when are they going to
17:24be here going to be a stabbing when are
17:27they going to be here ma'am they're on
17:29their way I gotta just sit here forever
17:32oh my God
17:34who would do this who would do this
17:36ma'am how old are your boys what how old
17:39are your boys
17:40seven and five okay oh my God oh my God
17:44oh he's dead calm down can you oh God
17:48Devin no oh my God is her name Darley
17:51yes this is her is your husband's name
17:54Darren yes please hurry God they're
17:57taking forever there's nobody in your
17:59house there was was you don't know who
18:03did this then a police officer is on the
18:06scene and you can hear him say look for
18:08a rag Darley replies they killed our
18:12babies the police officer says lie down
18:14okay just sit down darlie rotier says no
18:17he ran out uh they ran out in the garage
18:20I was sleeping my baby's over here
18:22already cut can I phone is right here
18:25you all look out in the garage look out
18:28in the garage they left a knife lying on
18:31there's a knife don't touch anything I
18:34already touched it and picked it up
18:35who's out there is anybody out there I
18:38don't know I was sleeping okay ma'am
18:40listen there's a police officer at your
18:42front door is your front door unlocked
18:45yes ma'am but where's the ambulance
18:47okay they're barely breathing
18:51if they don't get it here they're going
18:53to be dead my God they're hurry please
18:56hurry okay there there police officer
18:59says what about you is 82 out on Eagle
19:03huh they took they ran
19:07Eagle 5801 Eagle my God
19:1082 are you out police officer nothing's
19:14gone Mrs rotier
19:15oh my God oh my God why would they do
19:18this police officer the problem Mrs
19:20rotier would he say why would they do
19:24this I'm okay listen ma'am need to need
19:28to let the officers in the front door
19:30okay ma'am
19:32what what need to let the police
19:35officers in the front door his knife was
19:37lying over there I already picked it up
19:39okay it's all right it's okay God I bet
19:43if we could have gotten the prince maybe
19:45maybe ma'am hang on hang on a second
19:48somebody who did it intentionally walked
19:50in here and did it Darren there's
19:52nothing touched
19:54okay ma'am there's nothing touched oh my
19:57God ma'am is the police officer there
19:59yes okay go talk to him okay the total
20:03length of the call is 5 minutes and 44
20:06seconds long
20:08[Music]
20:26[Music]
20:35all right we're back
20:38with our great acting skills cheers
20:41mates
20:42cheers captain
20:44speaking of acting skills ours are not
20:46good enough to win a Daytime Emmy
20:48obviously but what's your thoughts
20:50captain on Darley rotier you've had a
20:53chance to actually listen to the 9-1-1
20:55call she's hysterical through most of it
20:59it's very chaotic but it's five minutes
21:03long so it's long enough to really get a
21:06feel for what's going on and probably
21:08have an opinion on what it is you're
21:11hearing and deduce maybe some of the
21:14emotions the thoughts or even suspicions
21:16going on with her on the call yeah it's
21:19hard to tell if she's acting or reacting
21:22because it is a mom supposedly coming
21:26out of her sleep and seeing her kids
21:29dying in front of her and the amount of
21:32blood that's probably at the scene
21:35but it seems like there's no coherent
21:38thought that she's giving to the
21:40dispatcher
21:42except for a couple lines
21:45and those seem to be the lines that are
21:48suspicious
21:50where she you know his knife was laying
21:53there and I already picked it up I bet
21:56if we could have gotten the fingerprints
21:58Maybe
22:00that line almost seems to me that she's
22:04about to say well I bet if
22:07if I hadn't touched the knife we could
22:09have got fingerprints
22:10but also she is basically establishing
22:15a reason why she touched the knife and
22:18why her fingerprints would be on the
22:20murder weapon and that's what law
22:22enforcement will point out as well as
22:24the prosecutors later that this is the
22:27problem with her 911 call that she's
22:28referencing the knife does not need to
22:31mention the knife does not need to
22:32mention that she picked it up it's
22:34almost like she's planting that
22:36information for everybody to be aware of
22:39hey you'll probably find my fingerprints
22:42on this knife because I'm telling you
22:43now I picked it up and you might not
22:46find in intruder's fingerprints on the
22:49knife because I picked it up after he
22:52threw it down
22:53the thing is though it's a little
22:55difficult when you review the transcript
22:58of the 9-1-1 call and after you've heard
23:01the actual audio for the call itself
23:05because the first time that she mentions
23:07really finding the knife or that
23:09somebody
23:10threw down a knife she's responding to
23:14she's answering the operator's question
23:16the operator's question was what is
23:18going on
23:19to which she says someone came in while
23:21I was sleeping me and my little boys
23:23were sleeping downstairs the other issue
23:25with the transcript too is you have
23:27multiple dispatchers or operators
23:30communicating there at times in the 911
23:33call communicating with each other and
23:35not Darley
23:36you know they're responding to oh we
23:39need emergency services to this address
23:41and then you have the other dispatcher
23:43or operator saying something to the
23:46effect of Emergency Services have been
23:48dispatched or have been dispatched at
23:50this time and one of the things we
23:52weren't able to do because it was just
23:54us two reading the transcript and I
23:57don't think the transcript is that clear
23:59but if you listen to the 911 tape
24:03at some point when her husband comes
24:06downstairs and she's going oh my God oh
24:09my God he starts going oh my God oh my
24:13God
24:14reacting the same level of intensity she
24:18is
24:20so for somebody to say that she's acting
24:23I would say well then I guess the
24:25husband's acting as well which is
24:27difficult again because as
24:30you know you hear him come into the
24:32scene
24:33the way that he's behaving
24:36suggests to me that he might be seeing
24:39this all for the very first time right
24:41he's walking into some [ __ ] and he's
24:43like oh my God what what the hell is
24:45going on
24:46yeah I have no clue and I've just walked
24:49into pure chaos blood all over my family
24:53yeah so the first time she mentions that
24:56knife
24:57it's her reacting to the operator's
25:00question of what is going on and at that
25:03point when she says
25:06that the man he ran out through the
25:09garage that threw the knife down my
25:12babies are dying they're dead oh my God
25:15she makes no mention of her picking up
25:18the knife on that first go around of
25:21that question
25:22which is interesting to me because if it
25:24was information that she really thought
25:26that she needed to plant and get out
25:27there and provide to everyone in the
25:30Heat of the Moment well she's certainly
25:31passed on it on the first opportunity
25:34well and then the other one she says uh
25:37you all look out in the garage look out
25:39in the garage they left a knife laying
25:42on there's a knife don't touch it and
25:45that's when she says why I already
25:47touched I picked it up
25:48but but I think it's weird though and I
25:51don't know what she's actually intending
25:54to mean when she says somebody who did
25:57it intentionally walked in here and did
26:00it
26:01that's odd then intentionally there's
26:04nothing touched and I don't know if she
26:07she meant that the Intruder came in and
26:10didn't touch anything
26:12but that's an odd line to me but again
26:16she I mean she stabbed over four times
26:19how much of her body is in shock how
26:22much is she in shock from seeing her not
26:25just her kids dead but they're dying
26:29they're dying in front of her yeah if
26:31she's not guilty she's 100 in shock
26:34regardless of injuries or or what have
26:36you she would be absolutely in shock
26:39just at the sight of her children being
26:41bloodied like that and you can hear
26:43let's pretend for a moment that she is
26:45in fact innocent
26:46you can hear that she is fully aware the
26:50visuals that she is waking up to and
26:52seeing
26:53that she is aware that they are dying
26:56and that is that's the gotta be the
26:59complete shock but to address the first
27:01thing that you had mentioned back to the
27:04knife when it's brought up the second
27:06time
27:07as you pointed out that the information
27:10is prompted by the operator don't touch
27:14anything well I already touched it
27:16you know she doesn't mention touching it
27:18until it's brought up by someone else
27:20and then as you pointed out I think
27:23the difficult thing here is at some
27:25point there's a lot going on in in very
27:29quickly in the call there's a lot going
27:31on because What You Can Hear What I Hear
27:33anyway and I'm sure everybody will have
27:34a slightly different opinion on what
27:36they are hearing and what they believe
27:38after reviewing the transcript what I am
27:41hearing or believe that I am hearing is
27:44that Darley is trying to give the proper
27:47information to the operator
27:49but she's also kind of running and
27:52scrambling around the house I mean
27:54Envision this if if she is innocent
27:57she's waking up to the children dying
27:58and she's got injuries herself
28:01probably doesn't fully understand what
28:03had happened if she did in fact see or
28:06chase someone as they were leaving out
28:09of the home there's probably a lot of
28:11running around to make sure they're not
28:12coming back but also she doesn't know
28:15what happened to her husband or what
28:18happened to her her newborn and she's
28:21also trying to tend to the children from
28:24time to time I mean you can hear her
28:25kind of checking in on the children even
28:28though we will have officers and People
28:30First Responders later saying that she
28:32didn't seem to want to tend to the
28:34children but they weren't there for the
28:36early parts of this call this is very
28:38similar of a 9-1-1 call to me as as the
28:42Michael Peterson where he's talking to
28:46the dispatcher and then going back and
28:49checking on his wife and then going back
28:51and talking to the dispatcher it seems
28:54very similar
28:55but it's it's tough because I think your
28:58gut tells you if if they're over
29:01dramatic that they're putting on a show
29:03but if they're under dramatic about it
29:07then they're cold-hearted so it's almost
29:09like you can't win either way
29:12as far as what your gut reaction is
29:15going to be to a 9-1-1 call like this
29:17still on some of the things that you had
29:19brought up here Captain the portion of
29:21saying someone intentionally came in
29:23here nothing was touched nothing was
29:24touched I don't know we can if we can
29:27understand what she means by that first
29:29of all
29:30and second of all
29:32I don't think we know who she's even
29:35speaking to when she's saying those
29:37words right because we also don't know
29:39if the police officer that's there
29:41that's where it's confusing too is the
29:44transcript states that the police
29:45officers are there way before the
29:48dispatcher is able to get Darley to
29:51confirm that the police officers are
29:53there so did the police officer say
29:55something did her husband say something
29:57to her to prompt that like maybe the
30:00police officer says to her don't touch
30:02anything and she says nothing's been
30:05touched
30:06like other than the knife nothing's been
30:09touched I haven't touched anything right
30:10and again she we don't know who she's
30:12speaking to because we have Darren that
30:15arrives downstairs at some point she is
30:17interacting with him at portions of the
30:19call she's interacting with the operator
30:21and then you can hear operator and
30:23additional dispatchers on so there's
30:25some confusion there as well and again I
30:29hear Parts where she's clearly at least
30:32looking over or tending to the children
30:34in some form or fashion so we don't know
30:37who those words were intended for so it
30:39gets difficult to say that she's
30:41planting information for people later to
30:46use that as part of their investigation
30:49and then there's one part that became a
30:52point of contention in this case and
30:55that was where she says some man came in
30:58stabbed my baby stabbed me I woke up I
31:00was fighting he ran out through the
31:03garage threw the knife down my babies
31:04are dying they're dead oh my God okay so
31:07the reason why this is a point of
31:09contention is because the law
31:11enforcement and the prosecution will
31:13point out that oh you told the
31:16dispatcher you were fighting with the
31:18Intruder so how do you not have
31:21a description of this guy
31:24if you if you remember if you were
31:27actively fighting with him you should
31:29have some kind of description to provide
31:31to us and we know that she had such a
31:34very vague description she said later
31:38that and would you agree that the
31:41quality of the call the audio for the
31:43call is not the best it's awful it's
31:46it's it's not good so if she says that
31:49she said I woke up and I was frightened
31:52or it was frightening I don't know
31:55exactly what she says I've listened to
31:57it a bunch and I could be swayed either
32:01way I could be swayed either way the
32:03audio quality is so poor
32:05I can't tell if she's saying it was
32:07frightening I was frightened or I was
32:09fighting tell me if I'm wrong in this
32:11statement but investigating this a
32:14couple things jump out as far as her
32:17story whether
32:19her story changed or not we have police
32:21officers saying that she told them
32:23different stories we have friends saying
32:25that she Twisted her stories here and
32:27there like little tiny details
32:30altered
32:31her husband is saying whatever statement
32:34that she gave to the police the final
32:35statement that's the statement she's
32:38stuck with all these years
32:41and they even have
32:43you know defense attorneys and and
32:45lawyers saying hey whatever story she
32:48initially told that's the story she
32:50stuck with she's never changed it so one
32:54could she have just messed up uh some of
32:57the details because she was in shock and
32:59because of all this stuff that was going
33:01on
33:02we know that eyewitnesses can be wrong
33:05so are these people just reporting the
33:08information wrong that she told them
33:10well and we have to keep in mind what's
33:13going on at the scene when she calls
33:16when she first places the call again the
33:18call is five minutes 44 seconds long
33:21before she hangs up the phone before the
33:24end of the call police are on the scene
33:27and she's unaware that they are there
33:29the officer's probably calling into
33:32dispatch saying hey I'm here but the
33:34front door's locked
33:36yeah they're saying ma'am or the police
33:38there and she says yes and she says well
33:40there's a front door unlocked and she
33:42says yes and she then the dispatcher
33:45comes back and says you're going to have
33:46to unlock the front door so one thing in
33:49I think in her favor here for her to be
33:52innocent
33:53is the fact that the the call is this
33:56length of time and she's on the phone
33:59with the dispatcher still when police
34:01arrive on the scene so we we have we we
34:04can't see what she's doing right we
34:07don't know exactly what she's doing
34:09physically during the course of this
34:11call however we do know that she is at
34:13least busy with the call itself for this
34:16amount of time so during this time it
34:18would be it makes it a little extra
34:19difficult for her to be further staging
34:22the scene while on the phone and police
34:26are arriving before the end of the call
34:28plus as you pointed out at some point
34:30Darren comes downstairs after he hears
34:32the commotion she does not it doesn't
34:35sound like she woke him you know
34:37intentionally
34:38went upstairs and woke him that he heard
34:42the commotion and came down on his own
34:44to walk into this horrific scene one
34:46just to let everybody know to understand
34:50the way in which this Intruder entered
34:54the house they they cut a screen and a
34:57window
34:58in the garage
35:01got through that window in that garage
35:03got inside the garage and then went
35:06through the house
35:07that way so I think the fact that the
35:10police show up in the front door is
35:12locked
35:13at least leads more towards her story
35:16making sense
35:19and when they show up on scene
35:22we have Devin
35:24who is already dead we have Damon who is
35:27still alive when First Responders get to
35:30the scene
35:31we have Darley who's bloodied she's
35:33running around and we have Darren who is
35:35downstairs performing CPR on Damon and
35:39baby Drake is still upstairs at this
35:42point yeah so hold on for one second
35:44because
35:45okay postpartum depression
35:49what's the motive here
35:51can anybody give me
35:54a motive of why she'd want to do this
35:57you want to get rid of to your kids but
36:00not all of the kids
36:02you
36:04you didn't try to kill your kids and
36:06then blame it on your husband to get rid
36:09of him you don't you didn't try to
36:10attack him
36:12nobody else was attacked other than who
36:15was in that front room
36:19and
36:21if if she's guilty
36:24and she wanted to kill her kids
36:27why would she wake her husband up
36:31before
36:32the kids were dead
36:36well you see what I'm saying because but
36:39again she doesn't actively it doesn't
36:42show any intention of her purposely
36:44waking Darren
36:47what I where where my questions go to is
36:50if she were to kill her sons
36:53and Stage the scene
36:57right why would she call 9-1-1 when one
36:59of them is still alive right because now
37:01you're running a huge risk of you know
37:04these kids are old they're still little
37:05kids but they're old enough that they
37:07could tell yeah my mom stabbed me yeah
37:10if they're still alive they could tell
37:11the First Responders what what actually
37:13went down so
37:15you can hear her on the phone she is
37:18aware that one of them is still alive
37:20so why would she call why wouldn't she
37:23just wait a few more minutes right and
37:26then call and act all hysterical and and
37:29I guarantee you she was being hysterical
37:32way before the 9-1-1 call
37:37and
37:39again that points towards why would you
37:42want to wake
37:44I mean look
37:46you don't know if the
37:49she's not a medical expert so if she
37:52again if the purpose is just to kill
37:54these kids and to get rid of them
37:57then her husband comes down
37:59but at the time he comes down aren't
38:02both of the boys alive
38:04so that would give I2 chances for the
38:07victims to say mom did this
38:11that I don't know I all I can say is
38:14that when
38:15well in fact actually we do have some
38:18evidence toward that that thought there
38:21captain and we will get into that a
38:24quick little timeline here before we get
38:26to what I believe are two very key parts
38:30of this whole story which would be the
38:32statements of Darley and the statements
38:35of Darren okay that's going to add us a
38:37little more insight into what is
38:39actually going on and you already
38:41referenced some items at the crime scene
38:43itself and we'll get into those as well
38:45but real quick here captain on June 6
38:481996 that is when Devin and Damon ages
38:53six and five were murdered again Damon
38:56is still alive at the point when the
39:00First Responders get to the scene Darley
39:02is taken immediately to the hospital
39:05because she has suffered some injuries
39:07during the course of this attack then we
39:10have a situation where on June 8th
39:12Darley gives a written statement to
39:15police okay so this statement that she
39:18provides to police
39:20the information I have says that it took
39:22her approximately 30 minutes to write
39:25this statement for the police and this
39:28she gave to them a written statement
39:30once she was released from the hospital
39:32so she's released from the hospital and
39:35she is immediately directly taken to the
39:38police station at the police request to
39:40provide this statement
39:43and in her statement she says Darren and
39:46Dana
39:47her husband and my sister came home from
39:50working at the shop
39:52the boys were playing with the
39:54neighborhood kids outside I was
39:56finishing up dinner Damon came home and
39:58Devin called and I told him to be home
40:01soon because we were going to eat Darren
40:04played with the baby this is the infant
40:06Drake
40:07with Dana her sister while I pulled
40:10everything together to eat Devin came
40:12home and we all ate dinner together it's
40:14too many people with d names after we
40:17ate we cleaned all the plates I changed
40:19I was changing Drake while Darren put
40:22everything in some containers for
40:24leftovers
40:25we all talked a little bit about how
40:28happy we were that the shop had been so
40:30busy for the past three weeks as that we
40:33had hoped it would continue since work
40:35had been slow for a couple of months
40:37Devin and Damon asked if they could play
40:40with one of their friends a little
40:42longer so we said okay
40:44Darren Dana and I sat around and watched
40:49a little TV
40:50later I'm not sure of exact time I asked
40:54Darren to drive Dana home because I
40:57wasn't feeling too well while Darren was
40:59gone the boys brought down their
41:02blankets and pillows and asked if they
41:04could watch TV I said yes
41:06they came downstairs and played on the
41:08floor in front of the TV with Drake
41:10while I made some popcorn about 20 to 25
41:13minutes later Darren came Darren came in
41:17and sat down with us while we watched TV
41:19Drake started to get fussy so I made him
41:22a bottle
41:23soon after the boys fell asleep Darren
41:26took the baby upstairs and put him in
41:28his crib and came back downstairs
41:31we talked about a few problems we were
41:33having with the car and the boat and had
41:36a few words between us
41:38since I had the baby I have been having
41:40some depression I told Darren I was
41:43depressed because I hadn't been able to
41:45take the boys anywhere because we only
41:48had one car
41:49he told me he loved me and asked me if I
41:52wanted him to sleep downstairs with me
41:54because I wanted to stay up and watch a
41:57little TV I told him no because I didn't
42:00think he would be able to sleep on the
42:02couch and get any sleep I had been
42:04sleeping on the couch the past week or
42:06so off and on because the baby slept in
42:09our room in the crib and when he moved
42:12he woke me up
42:14Darren and I laid together for a little
42:16bit while then decided to go to sleep
42:20because he had to work the next day this
42:23was around 12 30 or 1. I'm not sure he
42:27kissed me and said he loved me and I
42:29told him I loved him and would see him
42:31in the morning
42:33after a while I started to get sleepy
42:35the next thing I wake up and I feel
42:38pressure on me I felt Damon press on my
42:41right shoulder and heard him cry
42:44this made me really come awake and I
42:47realized there was a man standing down
42:49at my feet walking away from me
42:52I walked after him and heard glass
42:54breaking I got halfway through the
42:57kitchen and turned back around to run
42:59and turn on the light
43:01I ran back towards the utility room and
43:03realized there was a big white handled
43:05knife lying on the floor it was then
43:08that I realized I have blood all over me
43:11and I grabbed the knife thinking he was
43:13in the garage so I thought he might
43:16still be there and I yelled for Darren
43:19I ran back through the kitchen and
43:21realized the entire living area had
43:23blood all over everything I put the
43:26knife on the counter and ran into the
43:28entrance turned on the light and started
43:30screaming for Darren I think I screamed
43:33twice and he ran out of the bedroom with
43:36his jeans on and no glasses and was
43:38yelling
43:39what is it what is it I remember saying
43:42he cut them he tried to kill me my neck
43:45he ran down the stairs and into the room
43:48where the boys were I grabbed the phone
43:50and called 9-1-1 Darren started giving
43:53Devin CPR while I put a towel on my neck
43:57and a towel over Damon's back I remember
43:59telling Damon to hang on mommy was there
44:02I looked over at Darren and saw the
44:05glass table had been knocked halfway off
44:07and the flower arrangement had been
44:09knocked over
44:10I then stood up and turned around and
44:13saw glass all over the kitchen floor I
44:16tried to glance over to see if anything
44:18was out of place or if anything was
44:20missing I took a few steps and opened
44:23the door and screamed for Karen okay so
44:25this is Karen Neal it's their neighbor
44:28and friend she's also a nurse
44:30I was still on the phone with 9-1-1 and
44:33I don't recall what all was said because
44:35everything was happening so fast
44:38I went back to Damon and by then he had
44:41stopped moving and the police walked
44:43through the door the paramedics came and
44:45tried to work on the children Darren was
44:48screaming who did this who did this and
44:52I started asking if my babies were dead
44:54Darren was crying and said yes
44:56after I just remembered screaming and
44:59showing Darren my neck
45:01Darren took me out to the front of the
45:04house and by then Darren ran upstairs to
45:06make sure the baby was okay and then
45:08handed him to Karen our neighbor I
45:11remember them holding a towel on my neck
45:13and wrapping my arm and then they put me
45:16in an ambulance
45:18Darren got in but they told him he
45:21needed to leave so they could take care
45:23of me
45:24I remember we got to the hospital and
45:27them telling me they were taking me to
45:30surgery
45:31they took off my necklace and put me to
45:33sleep I woke up and minutes later the
45:36detectives were there making me all
45:38kinds of questions
45:39at the same time here Captain keep in
45:42mind darley's been rushed from the
45:44hospital directly to the police station
45:46to give that statement we have her
45:49husband Darren he's now providing a
45:52written statement as well at the same
45:54time and his statement reads as follows
45:57we were watching TV in the Roman room
45:59watching movie on HBO
46:02baby Drake had fallen asleep about 10 10
46:0530. I took him up to bed in parents room
46:07put blanket on him and turned out lights
46:10I went downstairs to talk to Darley we
46:13talked about the boys not being able to
46:15start baseball yet because we were so
46:17busy with the baby right now
46:19we talked about the business bills and
46:21how Darley was having a hard time with
46:23taking care of the babies today Darley
46:26said she wanted to sleep on the couch
46:28because she would sleep better because
46:30the baby would keep her awake the boys
46:32were asleep with pillows and blankets on
46:35the floor
46:36Devin was asleep face up in front of the
46:39TV and Damon was asleep between the
46:41couch and coffee table by the couch mom
46:44was on
46:45so I went upstairs to get her a blanket
46:48and pillow and came back downstairs to
46:50cover her up we talked a little more
46:52about her going to Cancun with some
46:54friends across the street and gave her a
46:57kiss goodnight
46:58told her to dream about me and went
47:00upstairs around 1am
47:02I went and turned on TV in our room and
47:05watched for 10 to 15 minutes I took my
47:08glasses off and turned TV off
47:10I could not go to sleep for a while but
47:12finally I fell asleep unconsciously I
47:15heard a noise and then Darley screaming
47:18loud she was yelling Devin Devin oh my
47:22God Devin I woke up quickly and grabbed
47:24my glasses on the nightstand and ran
47:27downstairs as fast as I could
47:29going into the living room
47:31I ran over to Devin lying on the floor
47:33where he was when I
47:36saw him last and kneeled down over him
47:39to see if he was hurt and then looked
47:42at the coffee table to see it tipped
47:45over on him
47:46when I looked again at his chest there
47:49were two holes in his chest with blood
47:51and muscles piercing out
47:53I slapped his face to get him to say or
47:56look at me
47:58no response I started CPR and when I
48:01blew into his mouth air came out of his
48:04chest I blew five or six times and held
48:07my hand over the holes on his chest
48:10then when that didn't work I blew into
48:13one of the holes in his chest I looked
48:16over at Darley and she was on the phone
48:18calling 9-1-1 I ran over to Damon lying
48:21on the floor in the hallway between wall
48:24and side of couch
48:26he had no pulse but I could not see any
48:29injuries police came in and I told them
48:32that my babies were stabbed and she told
48:35them that he went out of the garage I
48:38ran upstairs to put my pants on I looked
48:41over at Drake was crying and I felt he
48:44was okay I noticed my wallet left on the
48:47floor and all I could think to do was to
48:50go to Karen's house for help I needed
48:52someone to help and the paramedics when
48:55they arrived I went downstairs ran out
48:59the house ran across the street to Karen
49:01and Terry door
49:02I banged five six times as hard as I
49:06could until Terry comes to the door
49:07first and when I told them that Devin
49:11and Damon were stabbed they were in
49:13shock and ran over with me to the house
49:16and that was when they were putting
49:19Damon on a stretcher I knew that Devin
49:21was dead before I ran across the street
49:24and Damon had no pulse but the paramedic
49:27carried him out in a blanket out the
49:30front door
49:31I ran out yelling that we have to find
49:34who did this and Karen told me that
49:36Darley was cut too
49:38I never knew that she was hurt yet she
49:40had blood all over her from the neck
49:43down to the bottom of her night shirt
49:45she was standing in the doorway with the
49:48paramedics said she needed to go to the
49:50hospital so we helped her into the
49:53stretcher and she said Darren you have
49:55to promise me we will find this man he
49:58killed our babies
50:00I walked back into the house pushed my
50:02way through the police and saw the knife
50:05on the bar in the kitchen with blood all
50:07over it went to garage to look at the
50:10window that the police had said he had
50:12entered and I went out of the house and
50:15walked across the street and the
50:17neighbors were there to confront me and
50:19ask about what happened
50:21I sat for a minute on the curb and
50:24walked over to the ambulance where Damon
50:27was an ass paramedic was he alive and
50:30they said no I was in shock Karen told
50:34me to go with Darley in the ambulance
50:36so I got in and they threw me out said
50:39they needed to work
50:40so then they ask me questions
50:44from the fire department he says they
50:46wanted to know his social security
50:47number address and name and such and I
50:49asked what hospital and no one knew
50:52so found out where Darley went this
50:54would have been Baylor Dallas Hospital
50:56and drove over to the hospital at
50:59hospital I was questioned by detective
51:01frosh for hours is there any eyewitness
51:04statements neighbor Hood statements that
51:07heard her scream or saw anything
51:10suspicious that night
51:12so in reviewing the trial in the
51:15testimony of witnesses and such no there
51:20doesn't seem to be anybody that was
51:22aware that something was going on that
51:24night until they were alerted by either
51:26Darren or police or you know saw the
51:30the flashing lights and heard the sirens
51:32right there were plenty of people to
51:35have an opinion about
51:36darlie's Behavior what kind of mother
51:39she was and plenty of opinions about the
51:43rotiers in general
51:45so to me Captain the thing that jumps
51:47off both Pages here from their
51:49statements is they don't seem to line up
51:52100 with each other's statements
51:55and second of all they don't seem to
51:57line up 100 with what it sounded to me
52:00like what was going on during the course
52:02of the 9-1-1 call right because it
52:05sounds like darlie has the recollection
52:07that she may have
52:09woke Darren up as she's getting ready to
52:12call 9-1-1 but to back that up a little
52:15bit his statement does say that he comes
52:18in sees what's going on reacts to it and
52:20then the first he really sees Darley
52:22after that she's in the process of
52:25calling 9-1-1 or already on the phone
52:27with them now my general thoughts are
52:30this though in regards to darley's
52:33statement and Darren's statement
52:34I don't know that I would fully expect
52:37them to 100 line up I mean this is a if
52:40they're innocent it's too much trauma
52:43for their stories to line up this is a
52:46whole lot of chaos within a five to six
52:49minute window of time yeah chaos is
52:52probably a better word than trauma and
52:54for them to have a full understanding in
52:57a point by Point blow-by-blow
52:59recollection of what went down and how
53:01it went down and and every second and
53:03every minute of what was happening
53:07you know what to be honest with you I
53:08would be more suspicious of them
53:10together if their statements did 100
53:13line up yeah Bingo because there were
53:16two days between the time that the
53:18murders took place and these statements
53:20were given or a day and a half I don't
53:22know exactly what time of day these
53:25statements were were given at the police
53:26department but the murders were on the
53:28sixth the statements written by these
53:30two individuals individually on the
53:33eighth but the other thing I do want to
53:35point out too you know because one thing
53:37that law enforcement will use against
53:38Darley
53:40is that her statement does not line up
53:42with what they were seeing at the crime
53:44scene and the problem I have with that
53:47is look I agree first off I agree that
53:50her statements do not line up perfectly
53:51with with some of the physical evidence
53:53at the crime scene itself
53:56but her words they took me to the
53:59hospital they get me there they take off
54:01you know my jewelry my clothing they
54:03knock me out put me to sleep
54:06so they could put me into surgery right
54:08next thing I know I wake up she says
54:10minutes later anybody that's ever been
54:12knocked out for a surgery will tell you
54:14and I've had this happen twice in my
54:16lifetime I've been put under two maybe
54:19three times put under and then had a
54:21surgery
54:22and you swear to God that you're waking
54:25up and you're like I was I can't believe
54:27you guys worked so fast I was only out
54:29like 30 seconds and then somebody tells
54:32you like no you were out for a couple
54:34hours
54:35or you were out for a day that's one
54:38thing that I feel like Rings true in her
54:40statement there where she says they took
54:42off my clothes they took off my jewelry
54:43they put me out and then I went into
54:45surgery and then I woke up a couple
54:47minutes later
54:49or I woke up minutes later and the
54:51police are asking me questions and then
54:52they took me off to the police station
54:54and then we have later where we have uh
54:58people testifying that she was drugged
55:01up afterwards as one would expect
55:03because she's been pretty severely
55:06injured in my opinion but again that
55:09goes to
55:10the opinions vary depending on who you
55:12talk to regarding her injuries one and
55:16painkillers affect everybody completely
55:18different and so if I was in the
55:21hospital all for a couple days and the
55:24day I got out I was still on pain
55:26medication I wouldn't be I wouldn't be
55:29able to put together my correct thoughts
55:32I mean I already sound like a stoner and
55:34I'm not stoned I mean can you imagine if
55:37I'm all hopped up on pain pills and
55:39double down on the fact that you were
55:41just I mean just minutes or maybe hours
55:43before writing out the statement you
55:46were in a hospital bed right so here's
55:48what the the doctor testified to at the
55:51trial Dr Santos testified that Darley
55:54was given Xanax to treat anxiety and she
55:57was also given Demerol for the pain this
56:00is after the surgery so she's on Xanax
56:03and Demerol and just been whisked away
56:06from a hospital bed to the police
56:08station to give a written statement to
56:10police that oh by the way whatever you
56:13write here today we're going to hold
56:15this over your head for the rest of your
56:16life
56:17so it's an important document
56:19we're going to use this to either clear
56:22you or build a case against you I want
56:24to think that Darley or her husband was
56:27thinking that they're going to take
56:28these statements and and go over them
56:31with a fine-tooth comb to press charges
56:34against her
56:35I I bet that was even a thought at this
56:38moment right she doesn't know that
56:41they're building a case against her that
56:43they already suspect her at this point
56:45so you say this is two days after the
56:48murder to me that's not enough time to
56:51collect all the evidence at the scene
56:53get it tested for us to know whether or
56:56not there was an intruder or not
56:59so it seems like to me like a similar
57:02same year case two JonBenet Ramsey
57:06you're you're coming up with
57:09theories and then you're going to try to
57:11prove your theory before the evidence
57:13can tell you
57:15what happened well and you can't really
57:20make Darley give you a written statement
57:22any earlier than this because she's at
57:25the hospital she's under doctor's care
57:26she's knocked out she's in surgery
57:29but what's a little weird to me is
57:31wouldn't you want to get a written
57:33statement from Darren as quick as
57:35possible
57:36why does he get away this same amount of
57:40time he's not in surgery he's not been
57:42injured at all
57:43in the course of this attack or whatever
57:45went down well unless they're afraid if
57:48they say hey we need a statement from
57:49you and he gives the statement and then
57:51he tells his wife well yeah
57:54I I give the police a statement and she
57:56goes well what did you tell them
57:58so maybe that's why they waited I can
58:01agree with that that would be that would
58:03be an idea there but but also if you
58:06don't believe her statements are you
58:08asking for a polygraph test well and
58:10again back to the drugs and and her
58:13state of mind or what it could have been
58:15at the time of writing the statement who
58:17knows but again they they are going to
58:19hold the statement against her in court
58:22and the the testimony by Dr Santos is
58:26testified that Darley was given Xanax to
58:29treat anxiety and Demerol for pain
58:32when asked under questioning
58:35says what all can Demerol make you
58:38groggy yes could general anesthetic in
58:42your experience lead to confusion yes
58:44can it lead to disorientation yes can it
58:47lead to short-term memory loss yes
58:50would you agree doctor that to be
58:52questioned sometime before eight in the
58:55morning
58:56let's say 605 hypothetically to be
58:59questioned about very serious events at
59:01605 one hour and five minutes after
59:04anesthesia being cut off would you be
59:08somewhat suspect as to the response you
59:10may receive from a patient
59:13answer you may get an unreliable
59:16response yes yeah again but coming up
59:21with the theory before you get all the
59:23evidence back is irresponsible then on
59:27top of that let's get statements from
59:30somebody that we know
59:32see you again
59:34here's my problem with it it's
59:36irresponsible to come up with the theory
59:38you know it's irresponsible to question
59:41her
59:42when she just got out of the hospital
59:45but I think I think that was part of
59:47their play
59:48hey
59:49she she might not say things correctly
59:52and that's going to work in our favor
59:54because now we already created the
59:56theory now we're just trying to put the
59:58puzzles puzzle pieces however we want to
1:00:01to fit that narrative well I I don't
1:00:04necessarily agree with the idea that
1:00:06they are waiting to get her statement
1:00:09and then building the case around her
1:00:11afterwards I know that it took some time
1:00:13to get that statement again she's in
1:00:15surgery you can't do anything about that
1:00:16but they're working the crime scene
1:00:18during this whole time before they're
1:00:21able to get her statement so they are
1:00:23aware of certain pieces of physical
1:00:25evidence before getting the statement
1:00:28from her so right but what I'm saying is
1:00:30not all the evidence is collected not
1:00:31all the evidence is tested evidence is
1:00:35supposed to lead you to a theory
1:00:37not to have a theory first so yes I I
1:00:40agree with you there's been some work at
1:00:43the crime scene that would give you some
1:00:45information but you you didn't wait to
1:00:49get all the information to get all the
1:00:51evidence to get everything tested back
1:00:53before you created your narrative before
1:00:56you created your story of what happened
1:01:00which of course is certainly possible
1:01:01but I don't know that we want to say
1:01:03that that's exactly what in fact went
1:01:05down because we don't know when police
1:01:07came up with the narrative that
1:01:10that Darley killed her her children or
1:01:13had a a 100 case built around her what
1:01:18you would know immediately going into
1:01:20the crime scene and what some of the
1:01:22evidence you would know before even
1:01:23having to test it
1:01:25is you're going to see that the murder
1:01:28weapon you have evidence to believe
1:01:31before any testing goes down the murder
1:01:35weapon came from inside the home
1:01:38so now that makes you a little more
1:01:41suspicious of people inside the home
1:01:42rather than people outside of the home
1:01:45there was also some indication that with
1:01:47the way that the screen was cut and the
1:01:49way that the screen appeared once police
1:01:52were on the scene that it only looked
1:01:55like somebody went in the screen but
1:01:58never came back out through the screen
1:02:01so they were a little testy about the
1:02:04whole idea of well this Intruder came in
1:02:07this way and then fled back out the same
1:02:09way he came in
1:02:11based off of what they were seeing at
1:02:13the crime scene
1:02:15they also didn't find anything missing
1:02:16they didn't find again you brought up a
1:02:20good point
1:02:21one really freaking troubling part of
1:02:24this whole case is motive right yeah
1:02:26what what would be the motive for Darley
1:02:29to kill her sons not kill her other son
1:02:32not kill her husband and turn the knife
1:02:35on herself what would be the motive for
1:02:37Darley to do it but also what would be
1:02:39the motive for an intruder to come in
1:02:41and kill these kids and attack her well
1:02:43she had an infant so you know I don't
1:02:46have a lot of understanding of you know
1:02:48part postpartum depression
1:02:51but some kind of mental illness could be
1:02:55the reason
1:02:57that's the only thing that I can see
1:02:59here I can't see any other motive but
1:03:02then also like you said I mean
1:03:04we can't say that
1:03:07we can't say that this Intruder came in
1:03:10there
1:03:11just to murder right
1:03:14the the Intruder could have came in for
1:03:17a multitude of reasons agreed you know
1:03:20to oh well here's this uh young mother
1:03:23that lives there and and I find her
1:03:25attractive so you know it's a sexual
1:03:28motivation there or that they're going
1:03:31to break into the house and and now that
1:03:33uh I'm in here
1:03:35I don't maybe they these people would
1:03:38recognize me so I have to kill anybody
1:03:41that that possibly could identify me
1:03:43because for all we know
1:03:45the kids woke up and saw this individual
1:03:48yeah so it's very tough I mean it the
1:03:51motive on either end
1:03:54um just doesn't make a lot of sense what
1:03:57do you think Captain about the whole
1:03:59thought of she's saying the purpose of
1:04:00me sleeping downstairs is so the baby
1:04:02doesn't wake me up
1:04:04but then
1:04:06you know the prosecution and detectives
1:04:08want to know well then why didn't you
1:04:09wake up
1:04:10earlier during the attack if you're such
1:04:13a light sleeper yeah I would I'd
1:04:16question
1:04:18when she was stabbed
1:04:20and is any of the wounds that she has
1:04:24would that cause her to black out at any
1:04:27point because
1:04:29this neck wound
1:04:31which a lot of people have tried to
1:04:33state that her neck wound is a flesh
1:04:36wound
1:04:37I think it was like two millimeters away
1:04:39from the Carotid artery two millimeters
1:04:41away from killing her correct that and
1:04:45that doesn't mean that she did not
1:04:47self-inflict the wound is it possible
1:04:51that she fought with this
1:04:54Intruder and because of
1:04:57whether it's being hit on the head
1:04:59whether it's being stabbed that she
1:05:01actually blacked out
1:05:03and then came back to there are experts
1:05:07that have said and did say during the
1:05:09course of her trial based off of her
1:05:11injuries that there there's a likelihood
1:05:15that she may not recall everything that
1:05:17actually went down one based off of the
1:05:21trauma of her injuries but also the idea
1:05:24that she's waking up into the middle of
1:05:26a situation
1:05:27so you kind of it's a double whammy
1:05:29effect there too and now I am a light
1:05:32sleeper I'm not going to consider myself
1:05:34to be any kind of sleep expert but I
1:05:37will say this
1:05:39my light sleeping is can be an issue for
1:05:42me there are nights that I I miss out on
1:05:44a lot of sleep because of that I'm not a
1:05:46light sleeper every night
1:05:48of my life right every day of my life if
1:05:52I if I'm sleeping anywhere other than my
1:05:54home I'm an extremely light sleeper I'm
1:05:58I just I'm heightened awareness whatever
1:05:59I don't know what it is I it's hard for
1:06:02me to sleep in hotel rooms or be a guest
1:06:04at somebody's home without you know I
1:06:06basically just sleep for a couple hours
1:06:07at Best
1:06:09if I'm at home and everything is perfect
1:06:11everything is right
1:06:13sometimes I sleep like a rock and
1:06:15there's not a whole lot of Rhyme or
1:06:17Reason to while I sleep better some
1:06:19nights and why I sleep
1:06:21not great other nights a lot of it base
1:06:24is based off of how tired I am one thing
1:06:27we know is she's busy taking care of
1:06:29three kids one of them's an infant she
1:06:31could have just been flat out exhausted
1:06:34at this point right and one thing that's
1:06:36interesting to me too and and you would
1:06:38reference narrative a couple of times
1:06:40there is certainly something going on
1:06:42because we talked about motive well the
1:06:45law enforcement and the the prosecution
1:06:48they are easy and quick to point out
1:06:50motive for Darley to have committed
1:06:53these murders and then their argument is
1:06:55well there's no motive for an intruder
1:06:57and I don't think that's correct I don't
1:06:59think that's right I can see just as
1:07:01much until you until you catch the guy
1:07:05again pretending that she's innocent
1:07:07until you catch the guy or identify who
1:07:10it could be
1:07:11you may not know the motive
1:07:13of that individual
1:07:15for their actions and I think there's
1:07:17equal amounts like you were saying equal
1:07:19amounts for both possibilities if Darley
1:07:22did it or if in fact there was an
1:07:24intruder an equal amount of motives well
1:07:27again I think
1:07:28it always drives me nuts when we're
1:07:30having conversations about a possible
1:07:32Intruder and they go well nothing was
1:07:34taken it's like well maybe they didn't
1:07:37get a chance to and that's why there was
1:07:39a murder
1:07:41and maybe the person is technically not
1:07:44a murderer there are they're a thief
1:07:48but because somebody could identify them
1:07:50they became a murderer one troubling
1:07:53thing to me though Captain is it would
1:07:55have taken a bladed weapon let's say it
1:07:58would have taken a blade to cut through
1:08:00that screen and police will quickly tell
1:08:03you that in this scenario it makes zero
1:08:06sense to them because most of the time
1:08:07burglars which I actually don't think
1:08:09that there was a burglar all right if if
1:08:12we're going to pretend there was an
1:08:13intruder I don't think I don't think
1:08:16looking for valuables was the the motive
1:08:19here for going into the home
1:08:21so police will be quick to point out
1:08:24that most of the time a burglar will not
1:08:26bother to cut a screen they will just
1:08:28simply remove the screen as it's
1:08:31normally fairly easy to do in this case
1:08:33it would have been easy to do and they
1:08:36just hop in the window and hop back out
1:08:37or leave through a door on their way out
1:08:41but if it would have been a burglar that
1:08:44see that's a whole different kind of
1:08:46criminal
1:08:48a burglar comes into a home sees people
1:08:50in there that they they want to
1:08:52burglarize the home when no one is there
1:08:55they pick a home that they think that
1:08:57they could either get in and get out
1:08:59real quick Smash and grab or Smash and
1:09:01grab and nobody's there they don't have
1:09:03to bother with anybody
1:09:04a burglar would have came into the home
1:09:07seen her and or the children and then
1:09:10just turned around and left
1:09:12that's what a burglar would have done
1:09:14if in fact it was an intruder that
1:09:17attacked this family there was a
1:09:19different motive for going into that
1:09:20house altogether
1:09:22but one thing I keep coming back to
1:09:24that's Troublesome for me and goes
1:09:26against darley's case that she's
1:09:28innocent is
1:09:30it would have taken a blade to cut
1:09:32through
1:09:33that screen
1:09:34that's everything that they've told us
1:09:36from the test that they conducted on
1:09:38that screen
1:09:40so why if I already have a blade on me
1:09:44to cut the screen to get into the house
1:09:45am I picking up a blade from inside the
1:09:49house to murder these people no I I
1:09:52agree and I would like to know how they
1:09:55know for sure that this knife came from
1:09:57inside the house was it a part of a set
1:10:00yeah it's part of a set it's one it
1:10:02would have been taken from a butcher
1:10:04block that was inside the home and to
1:10:07take it a step further because I have
1:10:08like random knives and so that's why I
1:10:10wondered is it is it possible that it's
1:10:13not from a set and they were they
1:10:16thought it was from like just a random
1:10:18knife from a drawer or something yes
1:10:20exactly a lot of people just have a
1:10:22drawer full of knives that they've you
1:10:24know collected somehow throughout the
1:10:26years you know gift or something they
1:10:28purchased themselves and it's a it's a
1:10:31hodgepodge of what you have maybe the
1:10:33colors don't match up maybe you have a
1:10:35lot of the same kind of Blade and you're
1:10:37missing other specifics but
1:10:39um this was taken from a butcher your
1:10:41block and it was to take it a step
1:10:44further though too
1:10:46I could find nowhere that Darren or
1:10:48Darley were disputing that the knife
1:10:50came from inside the home right they're
1:10:52not saying no it wasn't our knife in
1:10:54fact it seems to be agreed upon by all
1:10:56parties that the knife did in fact come
1:10:58from inside the home but if I'm breaking
1:11:01into a house hypothetically
1:11:03and I use a pocket knife or I use a box
1:11:08cutter
1:11:09and then I go into the house and I put
1:11:12that back into my pocket and then I'm
1:11:15startled by maybe a kid waking up or
1:11:17seeing people laying there
1:11:20you reach for the closest item right so
1:11:24and and based off that it makes sense
1:11:27because
1:11:27from the garage you have to go through
1:11:30the kitchen
1:11:31and then that kitchen area you would see
1:11:33then
1:11:34you'd see the people that were in the
1:11:37family room also I'd like to paint a
1:11:39picture of a sophisticated criminal for
1:11:41you
1:11:42sophisticated criminal would enter that
1:11:44home and again this would be for motives
1:11:46that are are well beyond
1:11:49this the scope of burglarizing the home
1:11:53I do not know the exact you know the
1:11:56windows and stuff for this house uh I've
1:11:59seen the outside of the house and
1:12:01portions of the inside but one question
1:12:03I keep coming back to is if there were
1:12:07someone outside of the home
1:12:10looking to
1:12:12break into a home
1:12:13and then rape
1:12:16a female victim inside right think about
1:12:19the way that they described everybody
1:12:21going to bed if if you're a rapist and
1:12:24you're outside looking in through the
1:12:26windows peeking in to see if you could
1:12:28you know if there's a potential victim
1:12:30inside
1:12:32maybe you don't know the house maybe you
1:12:34do not know the people inside or who the
1:12:37home belongs to
1:12:38but if you're looking inside the way
1:12:40that everybody describes the sleeping
1:12:42arrangements to me
1:12:44it's very likely that a rapist looking
1:12:46in the window would see Darley 26 years
1:12:49old lying on the couch
1:12:52and from that vantage point I have to
1:12:54wonder would he be able to see two small
1:12:58children lying on the floor
1:13:00right they're not laying all together
1:13:02next to each other
1:13:03the boys are on the floor she's in the
1:13:05couch
1:13:06husband upstairs you don't see him at
1:13:09all if you're peeking in the window and
1:13:11if you're a sophisticated criminal
1:13:13you're entering the home already with
1:13:15gloves on thy hands
1:13:18and you know what you don't want to
1:13:19leave at the scene is a weapon that you
1:13:21brought with yourself so use your box
1:13:23cutter or your pocket knife to cut the
1:13:26tea into the screen outside go in
1:13:31through the garage through the utility
1:13:33room into the kitchen knife block right
1:13:36there I'm going to use one of their
1:13:38knives to threaten my female victim
1:13:42whether my intention is to kill her or
1:13:45not I'm using one of their knives
1:13:47because if I leave it here it doesn't
1:13:50lead back to me they can't trace this
1:13:52knife back to me I have gloves on my
1:13:54hand
1:13:55yeah and have you ever tried to cut a
1:13:59screen
1:14:00the screen part of a window dozens of
1:14:03times yes but there's also there's also
1:14:06a possibility that there's not
1:14:09it wasn't there wasn't a cut at all
1:14:12you the way those things are made once
1:14:14you start like a rip
1:14:16in that screen it's going to stay in a
1:14:19straight line
1:14:20and then if I rip it to the other side
1:14:22or pull it back to the other side you
1:14:25could you could
1:14:27um depend you know as long as there's
1:14:29some kind of hole or some kind of damage
1:14:31to that screen you could easily rip a t
1:14:35into that that screen without using a
1:14:37knife exactly exactly and then you have
1:14:40to wonder would the crime scene analysis
1:14:42would they be able to determine by
1:14:45looking at it if it were in fact cut
1:14:47or torn yeah torn or or you use your
1:14:51your keys
1:14:53to to make those
1:14:55um the initial
1:14:57incision so you could rip
1:15:00the screen their stance has always been
1:15:03in regards to the screen that it was cut
1:15:05in a in the shape of a t so somebody
1:15:08would have made a horizontal cut and
1:15:11then in the center of that roughly in
1:15:13the center of that made a vertical cut
1:15:15down there's so many reasons that this
1:15:17case is so frustrating
1:15:19but one if if she is guilty what the
1:15:23heck is the motive because at least I
1:15:26can come up with a couple plausible
1:15:29motives that make sense if there's an
1:15:31intruder
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