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  1. 0:01hello everyone and Welcome to our third
  2. 0:03module your bonus module for um this
  3. 0:07week so what we're going to do in this
  4. 0:08module is um conceptualize uh the
  5. 0:12juvenile system so what it actually is
  6. 0:14the system and the Contemporary system
  7. 0:17we've been through the history we've
  8. 0:19talked about what are the kind of key
  9. 0:20principles but what is the system and
  10. 0:23um and what are the kind of principles
  11. 0:26that are used to operate in um
  12. 0:31okay here we
  13. 0:34go so one thing I just want to kind of
  14. 0:36point out here before we go is you might
  15. 0:37have noticed that um I use the term
  16. 0:40juvenile law system and that's largely
  17. 0:42in response to um some of the kind of
  18. 0:44critiques made
  19. 0:46by um by indigenous communities and um
  20. 0:50and other minority communities that that
  21. 0:53the system uh doesn't actually operate
  22. 0:56to serve Justice for uh for these people
  23. 0:59uh it it's more of a punishment system
  24. 1:01or you know a targeting A system that
  25. 1:04targets them so um there's a kind of
  26. 1:07shift in language requested by these
  27. 1:09communities by saying you know these are
  28. 1:11juvenile law institutions it's not about
  29. 1:14Justice for the for for those
  30. 1:16communities who are subject to it and
  31. 1:19that's not to say that the same thing
  32. 1:20doesn't apply to anyone subject to the
  33. 1:23juvenile law institution so the juvenile
  34. 1:25law system but the kind of request the
  35. 1:27questioning of the term Justice comes
  36. 1:30from indigenous communities and ethnic
  37. 1:32minority
  38. 1:34groups okay so what is uh what are the
  39. 1:37Contemporary institutions that make up
  40. 1:39the juvenile law institution we have um
  41. 1:42the children's court or the children's
  42. 1:44Court of New South Wales um and other
  43. 1:47juvenile courts around the country and
  44. 1:48we also have Youth detention facilities
  45. 1:50which is what they are kind of
  46. 1:51officially referred to but basically
  47. 1:53they're prisons and then that's the kind
  48. 1:56of what we mainly think of when we think
  49. 1:59of the uh the actual buildings that are
  50. 2:03specifically for uh young people
  51. 2:07buildings or physical structures um but
  52. 2:10actually there is uh family and
  53. 2:12community services that intersects very
  54. 2:14closely with um uh with these parts of
  55. 2:18the system we're going to be talking
  56. 2:20about police of course uh as well um
  57. 2:23next week but police aren't uh there
  58. 2:26aren't sort of
  59. 2:27[Music]
  60. 2:28um specific
  61. 2:30a police force for young people police
  62. 2:32is a broad um criminal justice
  63. 2:35institution that is you know that I
  64. 2:38suppose focuses it its attention on
  65. 2:40young people but it's not for young
  66. 2:41people whereas these institutions that
  67. 2:43I've got on your slide here um are all
  68. 2:46specifically for young people built um
  69. 2:49to house young people built to process
  70. 2:52young people built to address young
  71. 2:54people's needs or port to address their
  72. 2:56needs
  73. 2:57anyway okay so um
  74. 3:00there's been a kind of um history that I
  75. 3:04want to kind of quickly go over um uh of
  76. 3:09the the children's court and the um and
  77. 3:13the department that deals with these
  78. 3:14things so the children's Court of New
  79. 3:16South Wales was established in January
  80. 3:19of 1988 um its jurisdiction is New South
  81. 3:22Wales it's uh located in parata or when
  82. 3:25it was established it was located in
  83. 3:26param and it's still there and it's
  84. 3:28authorized by the children's Court Act
  85. 3:30of 1987 that's remained uh relatively
  86. 3:33stagnant um but um the uh Department
  87. 3:38that deals with um
  88. 3:41uh that deals with young people and the
  89. 3:44justice system uh is more complicated so
  90. 3:47it was established in July
  91. 3:501991 so the New South Wales Department
  92. 3:53of juvenal Justice was then part of the
  93. 3:56Department of corrective services in the
  94. 3:57Machinery of government
  95. 4:00in November of 1991 it became an
  96. 4:02independent office uh of Juvenile
  97. 4:05Justice so it was moved out of the
  98. 4:07Department of corrective services and it
  99. 4:09was its own department or or office of
  100. 4:12Juvenile Justice it then moved back into
  101. 4:16uh the Department of Justice and in
  102. 4:17January of 2019 which is the most recent
  103. 4:20kind of iteration it was moved into the
  104. 4:24Consolidated Department of communities
  105. 4:26and Justice and it was renamed youth
  106. 4:29Justice New South Wales which is what
  107. 4:30it's called today so just gives you a
  108. 4:32sense of um the way the department has
  109. 4:35changed it's moved around it's become
  110. 4:37independent it's been part of Prisons
  111. 4:40the the broader prisons Department it's
  112. 4:42been um part of the Department of
  113. 4:45Justice it's now in this kind of Mega um
  114. 4:48Department in the
  115. 4:51government and this is just a memo from
  116. 4:53the website that talks about that so
  117. 4:56what we have here is um
  118. 5:00is a kind of little map that I do that
  119. 5:01I've done of the New South Wales
  120. 5:03Department this is how it currently
  121. 5:05stands and so this is not an exhaustive
  122. 5:08graph um it leaves out many parts of the
  123. 5:11government or governmental Machinery but
  124. 5:14these are the main branches and it's uh
  125. 5:16and it's this image that should help
  126. 5:18guide your kind of understanding of the
  127. 5:20structure of the department and what
  128. 5:22institutions report where so you can see
  129. 5:25family and Community Services is
  130. 5:28underneath the department of um
  131. 5:31communities and justice but the the
  132. 5:33Department of Justice is its own branch
  133. 5:37and underneath that we have a whole
  134. 5:38range of things you can see that the
  135. 5:40children's Court um is under um courts
  136. 5:45and tribunals not under youth Justice
  137. 5:47and underneath youth Justice you have
  138. 5:49youth Justice centers and youth Justice
  139. 5:51conferencing so just to give you a sense
  140. 5:53of of how these things uh go in the
  141. 5:56flowchart of um of organizations
  142. 6:01all right so what are the models for um
  143. 6:04how these things run these institutions
  144. 6:06run so now that you have an
  145. 6:08understanding of the range of juvenile
  146. 6:09institutions and their reporting or
  147. 6:12power structures I'd like to talk a
  148. 6:14little bit about the models for how they
  149. 6:16operate in the academic literature most
  150. 6:19characterize uh the models of Youth
  151. 6:21Justice as a battle between welfare and
  152. 6:24Justice models uh the precursors of that
  153. 6:26you know we discussed in the History
  154. 6:28Section these models um respectively
  155. 6:32prioritize the needs versus the rights
  156. 6:34of young offenders so the W the welfare
  157. 6:37model is uh seen to focus on what young
  158. 6:41people need uh and it takes a more kind
  159. 6:44of informal approach to young people in
  160. 6:46an attempt to kind of reduce the impact
  161. 6:49of the dehumanizing and often quite uh
  162. 6:52confronting legal process for young
  163. 6:54people this means that referrals to
  164. 6:57services and forms of uh treatment are
  165. 7:00often generic rather than specific and
  166. 7:03that um forms of sentencing are highly
  167. 7:06individualized based on the kind of
  168. 7:08circumstances of the child what they
  169. 7:10need at the
  170. 7:11time the key personnel who kind of
  171. 7:14deliver um
  172. 7:16the a juvenile institution under this
  173. 7:19model are child care experts think
  174. 7:23people like social workers Child
  175. 7:24Protection agencies uh so on and so
  176. 7:27forth so what's the purpose of a
  177. 7:29juvenile institution under this welfare
  178. 7:31model well the purpose seems to be a
  179. 7:34kind of type of diagnosis this involves
  180. 7:37forms of kind of medical discourse but
  181. 7:39it's not always a strict medical
  182. 7:41diagnosis it's about identifying the
  183. 7:43needs and in many cases uh the level of
  184. 7:46supposed dysfunction of the young person
  185. 7:50and of course in this context the
  186. 7:51purpose of any intervention is to treat
  187. 7:54young people and to respond to their
  188. 7:56individual
  189. 7:58needs on on the other hand the Justice
  190. 8:01model um the Justice model places a much
  191. 8:04greater focus on formal legal issues
  192. 8:06like due process this approach tends to
  193. 8:10prioritize um the least restrictive
  194. 8:12alternative to sentencing a young person
  195. 8:15uh to deter to a detention center and it
  196. 8:19it often involves um a determinant uh
  197. 8:23sentencing so this is uh so that is if
  198. 8:26convicted a young person is given a
  199. 8:28predetermined sentence
  200. 8:30where there is no or little room for
  201. 8:32discretion on behalf of the judge or
  202. 8:34other legal
  203. 8:36professionals having said this the key
  204. 8:38players in the kind of uh legal uh sorry
  205. 8:41the weal the Justice model are lawyers
  206. 8:44and other legal professionals associated
  207. 8:46with the legal system and the task of
  208. 8:49institutions of juvenile law under this
  209. 8:52model is to punish a young person for
  210. 8:53offenses that contravene the law the
  211. 8:56purpose of these um punishments is to
  212. 8:59sanction the behavior of the young
  213. 9:01person that is uh part of the kind of
  214. 9:04central objective to respect the
  215. 9:06individual rights of both victims and
  216. 9:09offenders but this uh also means that
  217. 9:11young people are um apparently assured
  218. 9:15um that they will be given legal rights
  219. 9:17such as access to a lawyer and be
  220. 9:19treated as um innocent or proven guilty
  221. 9:22but that once this uh process has run
  222. 9:25its course the young person is required
  223. 9:27to submit to the authority of government
  224. 9:31of course it's worth noting that um
  225. 9:33we've never really had either of these
  226. 9:35models in their purest form at least not
  227. 9:38in Australia the history of these
  228. 9:41institutions um which we talked about
  229. 9:43earlier indicates um um the kind of many
  230. 9:47flaws that happen between them the many
  231. 9:50flaws sorry the many flaws of each of
  232. 9:52these models but also the way in which
  233. 9:54they overlap so for instance in the
  234. 9:56welfare model young people in need were
  235. 9:58treated as criminal and subject to harsh
  236. 10:01and violent treatment a poor
  237. 10:05um a poor substitute for a genuine
  238. 10:07welfare oriented needs-based
  239. 10:10approach on the other hand the Justice
  240. 10:12model ignores the substantial impact
  241. 10:14that legal processes have on young
  242. 10:17people uh it will U
  243. 10:20be sorry it will impose um foundational
  244. 10:23principles of the adult system such as
  245. 10:26the capacity to understand what you have
  246. 10:27done and fully grasp the concept
  247. 10:29consequences of this of course the whole
  248. 10:31purpose of a separate um system of uh
  249. 10:34law for children and juveniles is that
  250. 10:36we are not assume this about children so
  251. 10:38it's kind of contradictory um on that
  252. 10:42point as a result of some of the kind of
  253. 10:44dissatisfaction of these approaches many
  254. 10:46people have argued that there has been a
  255. 10:48kind of recent movement towards a new
  256. 10:51model which has been dubbed corporatism
  257. 10:54in the operation of um juvenile uh well
  258. 10:57criminal law more broadly but also Al in
  259. 10:59the juvenile law system this system
  260. 11:01borrows from the corporate world seeking
  261. 11:03to turn kind of legal processes into a
  262. 11:06matter of administrative decision-making
  263. 11:09it tends to um ostensibly prioritize
  264. 11:12diversion from court and custody and
  265. 11:14utilizes specialist Juvenile Justice
  266. 11:17Personnel that operate like managers in
  267. 11:19Human Resources
  268. 11:21departments it relies on a structure of
  269. 11:24um uh agency cooperation and it requires
  270. 11:28an optim istic view of how agencies
  271. 11:31might cooperate with one another the
  272. 11:33task of Institutions under the corpor
  273. 11:35model is to administer risk management
  274. 11:38processes that purport to determine the
  275. 11:40likelihood or otherwise of a young
  276. 11:42person to offend or reoffend it Zs to
  277. 11:45intervene in the lives of young people
  278. 11:47in order to retain them sorry to retrain
  279. 11:50them um through the implementation of
  280. 11:53centralized
  281. 11:55policies it is also uh it has also been
  282. 11:58argued that the operation of welfarist
  283. 11:59and Justice approaches in contemporary
  284. 12:02institutions end up functioning as
  285. 12:05corporatist and we'll explore this a
  286. 12:07little bit more in the coming
  287. 12:12slides okay so um what I'd like to talk
  288. 12:15about is some of the kind of emerging
  289. 12:17influences uh that have uh an effect on
  290. 12:20the way these institutions are run that
  291. 12:22color the model um that an institution
  292. 12:26takes or the kind of combination of a
  293. 12:28model that that these institutions take
  294. 12:31so that's uh there's two kind of
  295. 12:33emerging influences there's neoc
  296. 12:35conservativism and neoliberal governance
  297. 12:38so neoconservative forms of governance
  298. 12:40could often um complement neoliberal
  299. 12:43approaches uh but there are key
  300. 12:45differences and we need to kind of
  301. 12:46outline them which I'll do
  302. 12:49here the defining feature of
  303. 12:51neoconservative approaches is um it's
  304. 12:54its authoritative approach sorry
  305. 12:56authoritarian approach that is people in
  306. 13:00positions of power such as police judges
  307. 13:02and so on also are always seen to know
  308. 13:10best this means that their Authority is
  309. 13:13therefore regarded as Untouchable and
  310. 13:15unquestionable anyone who does not
  311. 13:17respect the authority of these figures
  312. 13:19is SE to be morally suspect and
  313. 13:21deserving of punishment or further
  314. 13:23deserving of punishment whether because
  315. 13:25they have directly contravened the law
  316. 13:27or not so for neoconservative punishment
  317. 13:30most uh this most often involves a
  318. 13:50remoralization authority of the police
  319. 13:52the legal system and so on
  320. 13:56remoralization often involves heavy
  321. 13:58state intervention on more than just
  322. 14:01offending itself in this model the
  323. 14:03problem is not just offending Behavior
  324. 14:05it is the appear the apparent loss of
  325. 14:09moral uh sorry the apparent loose at
  326. 14:11loose moral attitudes and lack of
  327. 14:13respect for authority supposedly
  328. 14:15exhibited by young people more generally
  329. 14:18and that needs to be addressed so um so
  330. 14:21that crime can be
  331. 14:22curved this means that uh remoralization
  332. 14:26measures often end up um targeting
  333. 14:29disorderly or antisocial behavior that
  334. 14:31is not necessarily criminal and doesn't
  335. 14:33count as you know
  336. 14:35offending and this is um legitimized
  337. 14:39through an argument about a kind of
  338. 14:40causal link between um disorderly and
  339. 14:44antisocial Behavior by young people and
  340. 14:46criminal conduct I don't think that's
  341. 14:48evidenced at all but nonetheless there's
  342. 14:50a um a case made uh that you know
  343. 14:55disorderly Behavior leads to criminal
  344. 14:57activity in young people
  345. 14:59so you know this link is uh rarely if
  346. 15:02ever made with reference to the kind
  347. 15:04kind of empirical material this also
  348. 15:07means that kind of um neoc
  349. 15:09conservativism is punishment focused and
  350. 15:12is considered the antithesis of welfare
  351. 15:14approaches or the social uh service
  352. 15:17measures used to respond to crime and
  353. 15:19the Contemporary juvenile system as
  354. 15:22previous me as previously mentioned it
  355. 15:24is important to remember that Neo uh
  356. 15:26liberalism and neoc conserv
  357. 15:28conservativism often work in tandem
  358. 15:31while these approaches have different
  359. 15:33histories and philosophies about
  360. 15:34offending practical considerations often
  361. 15:36see an amalgamation of these approaches
  362. 15:39being used in contemporary systems and
  363. 15:41this amalgamation between neoliberal and
  364. 15:43neoconservative approaches um lean most
  365. 15:47um most towards the justice and
  366. 15:49corporatist
  367. 15:51approaches so neoliberalism is a
  368. 15:53political ideology that gained
  369. 15:55prominence in the 1980s in its earliest
  370. 15:57incarnations it was largely influential
  371. 16:00in the uh International in economic
  372. 16:03International policy where it kind of
  373. 16:05declared that unleashing the
  374. 16:07entrepreneurial capacity of the
  375. 16:08individual require the deregulation of
  376. 16:11economic markets and thus a movement
  377. 16:14towards a free market approach to
  378. 16:16economic management and capital accum
  379. 16:19accumulation this investment in the role
  380. 16:21of the individual rather than the
  381. 16:23collective soon spread to other elements
  382. 16:25of the social and for our purposes legal
  383. 16:28world in the context of Juvenile Justice
  384. 16:31neoliberal neoliberalism
  385. 16:33forges um elements of the uh the Justice
  386. 16:38model because forms elements of the
  387. 16:40Justice model because it involves a
  388. 16:41highly legalistic approach that assumes
  389. 16:43that young people are rational Choice
  390. 16:46agents that make conscious decisions
  391. 16:48about offending Behavior with a
  392. 16:50commitment to market-based responses to
  393. 16:53solving problems I.E the corporatist
  394. 16:55approach this makes it closely
  395. 16:58associated with processes of
  396. 16:59privatization and managerial Notions of
  397. 17:02risk management prevalent in corporatist
  398. 17:05um in in corporatist approach and this
  399. 17:08means that social contexts that this
  400. 17:10means that social contexts uh are
  401. 17:13regarded as less important or even
  402. 17:15irrelevant when trying to explain crime
  403. 17:17or address it address it through a
  404. 17:19juvenile institution the focus instead
  405. 17:22becomes on active citizens that choose
  406. 17:25criminal or
  407. 17:26law-abiding lives
  408. 17:34okay
  409. 17:37so what I want to do now is talk a
  410. 17:40little bit of how about how these models
  411. 17:42operate in practice I've kind of sort of
  412. 17:44started doing that by making connections
  413. 17:48um in the previous Slide by those
  414. 17:49emerging influences um but you know the
  415. 17:52principles uh that we've just talked
  416. 17:54about of course don't always happen in
  417. 17:57principle sorry don't happen in practice
  418. 18:00and there's been much critique of each
  419. 18:01of these approaches um that I'd like to
  420. 18:04kind of outline a bit here so the
  421. 18:07welfare model purports to be about
  422. 18:08addressing the needs of young people but
  423. 18:10in the Contemporary context when young
  424. 18:13people's needs are discussed in um in
  425. 18:16juvenile institutions they're largely
  426. 18:18talked
  427. 18:19about as categories of risk or
  428. 18:22transformed into categories of risk Mony
  429. 18:25writes for example risk is increasingly
  430. 18:27associated with path logical
  431. 18:29constructions of willful
  432. 18:31irresponsibility incongruity and family/
  433. 18:34individual failure to gain access to
  434. 18:36welfare services or perhaps more
  435. 18:39accurately to be targeted by an
  436. 18:41intervention children and families must
  437. 18:43be seen to have failed or be failing to
  438. 18:46be posing risk to be threatening uh
  439. 18:49either actually actually or
  440. 18:52potentially so here we see this kind of
  441. 18:57um blending
  442. 18:59of needs with risk so young people's
  443. 19:02needs are seen as risks and you have to
  444. 19:04present as risky in order to um you know
  445. 19:08receive help or be subject to
  446. 19:10institutions of juvenile uh welfare
  447. 19:14institutions again the Justice model has
  448. 19:16been critiqued for you know presenting
  449. 19:18the principles of um of allowing all uh
  450. 19:23all children to be treated the same way
  451. 19:25and protecting their legal rights yeah
  452. 19:27increased admin administrative
  453. 19:29discretion uh which is kind of
  454. 19:31fundamental to um to the Justice model
  455. 19:34is required for kind of professional
  456. 19:36gatekeeping uh Gatekeepers to access um
  457. 19:40referrals to ensure genuine alternatives
  458. 19:42to custody so it requires you know a
  459. 19:45particular kind of professional
  460. 19:46Workforce and in the Contemporary
  461. 19:48environment the Justice model has
  462. 19:49undermined steps towards rehabilitative
  463. 19:53approaches so canine white and Richards
  464. 19:56from your textbook right emphasis on
  465. 19:58Justice in in the approach to Juvenile
  466. 20:01Justice can be seen as part of the
  467. 20:03Resurgence of neoclassicist approaches
  468. 20:06to Law and Order to some extent this
  469. 20:08move has been uh at the expense of those
  470. 20:11promoting
  471. 20:13Rehabilitation and finally the
  472. 20:14corporatist model in practice has often
  473. 20:17been referred to as the third way this
  474. 20:20ostensibly rejects the kind of
  475. 20:22paternalistic and controlling elements
  476. 20:25of the welfare model uh as well as
  477. 20:27rejecting the harsher elements of the
  478. 20:29Justice model and moves towards a kind
  479. 20:32of compromise that involves both of
  480. 20:35those elements you know neither neither
  481. 20:37of those but but both of those but in
  482. 20:40practice of course this basically has
  483. 20:43translated to
  484. 20:44privatization so it's supportive of
  485. 20:47public private Partnerships in the
  486. 20:48delivery of juvenile um juvenile law um
  487. 20:53institutions and outcomes it Imports a
  488. 20:56managerialist approach of dealing with
  489. 20:58young young people and it places another
  490. 21:00level of accountability um between the
  491. 21:03government and juvenile institutions
  492. 21:05right because if they're if a private
  493. 21:08institution is dealing with it or if
  494. 21:10you're using um you know supposedly
  495. 21:13neutral models from the corporate
  496. 21:16sector that means you can defer to those
  497. 21:19things saying well it's not our fault
  498. 21:20it's not the government's fault that
  499. 21:22these institutions have discriminate
  500. 21:24outcomes these are these are um um it's
  501. 21:28either the fault of the private
  502. 21:30institution running it or it's it's you
  503. 21:33know it's this legitimate corporate
  504. 21:37um and neutral corporate approach that's
  505. 21:41producing these
  506. 21:43outcomes okay so um the final thing I
  507. 21:47want to note here of course and I hope
  508. 21:49you've noticed this as I've been talking
  509. 21:51is that
  510. 21:52um is that no juvenile institution
  511. 21:55actually follows any of those approaches
  512. 21:58or models strictly it's always a hybrid
  513. 22:01version of all of those things or to to
  514. 22:04varying degrees some will lean more
  515. 22:06towards welfare approaches some will
  516. 22:08lean more towards Justice approaches
  517. 22:10others to corporatist approaches they
  518. 22:12will almost always involve all three um
  519. 22:15and they will have um the influence of
  520. 22:18neoliberal and neoconservative
  521. 22:20approaches to varying degrees so it's
  522. 22:22about the combination of these things
  523. 22:24that you really need to be thinking
  524. 22:25about when you're assessing how a
  525. 22:27juvenile Institution
  526. 22:29operates um so you know no single
  527. 22:31approach defines the way these things
  528. 22:33operate and most departments draw on
  529. 22:35many and various models approaches and
  530. 22:37political ideologies so keeping that in
  531. 22:40mind there's also kind of different
  532. 22:43levels um where this operates so you
  533. 22:45know the approaches and ideologies
  534. 22:47operate um uh at the level of government
  535. 22:50policy the level of the policy of the
  536. 22:53institution itself and the level of you
  537. 22:56know the staff Culture House staff take
  538. 22:58up these ideas and approaches um and
  539. 23:01there's kind of a really interesting set
  540. 23:03of literature about how these different
  541. 23:05models and ideologies play out in the
  542. 23:07minds of staff at the at at individual
  543. 23:12you know prisons um or courts and a
  544. 23:16government
  545. 23:18policy with that in mind what I want to
  546. 23:21do now is a little policy analysis
  547. 23:22activity where I'm going to ask you to
  548. 23:25have it to take a look I should say at
  549. 23:27the um
  550. 23:29Queensland youth Justice strategic
  551. 23:31action plan 2019 to
  552. 23:342021 and um in your
  553. 23:37um in your interactions I'm going to ask
  554. 23:40you to match um each of the four pillars
  555. 23:43which I'll outline in just a little bit
  556. 23:45with the model of Juvenile Justice that
  557. 23:47you think it most aligns with so those
  558. 23:50models that we talked about
  559. 23:52earlier um and I've given you I'll give
  560. 23:55you a link to the um to the actual
  561. 23:59policy um action plan I should say
  562. 24:01strategic action plan in the
  563. 24:03interactions as well so you can take a
  564. 24:05further look the first pillar is early
  565. 24:07intervention the second pillar is
  566. 24:10keeping children out of cord the third
  567. 24:12pillar keeping uh children out of
  568. 24:14custody and the force forth reducing
  569. 24:16reoffending so I would like you to take
  570. 24:19some time to just look at some of the
  571. 24:21even just the Topline descriptions of
  572. 24:23each of those pillars and get a sense of
  573. 24:25what they are and then in your
  574. 24:26interaction say well what does that MO
  575. 24:28most align with what do I think that
  576. 24:30most aligns with and we'll have a chat
  577. 24:31about that a little bit in the tutorial
  578. 24:34as
  579. 24:35well thanks everyone that is it from us
  580. 24:38this week um here are your references so
  581. 24:42you can do some further reading if you
  582. 24:44like um please do those interactions
  583. 24:47please do the readings and I will see
  584. 24:49you in class thanks everyone by now

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