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0:01Hi Jim.
0:02>> Thanks for meeting with us. We
0:04appreciate it.
0:05>> Do you remember me, Jay?
0:06>> Yes, I do.
0:08>> Um, so I just have a a couple of loose
0:10ends to clean up here as then and then
0:13we'll be on our way hopefully.
0:14>> All right.
0:15>> Detectives are in the middle of
0:17questioning 71-year-old Jim Provitz.
0:21They believe he has spent the last 3
0:23years living with a dark secret that
0:26they're about to expose. What do you
0:28think he's leading up to? I think he's
0:30leading up to asking me if I ever got
0:32excited and did something to Vicki.
0:34>> Were you nervous about us coming?
0:35>> No, I wasn't nervous. I I wasn't
0:37nervous. I got nothing to hide.
0:40>> In 2013, Jim's wife, Victoria,
0:44mysteriously disappeared. But with no
0:47witnesses and Victoria's known mental
0:49health struggles, the case slowly goes
0:52cold. For almost a decade, Victoria's
0:56daughters would remain convinced that
0:59someone within the family was
1:00responsible. And as investigators
1:03exhaust every resource to find
1:05Victoria's body, they have no idea that
1:08another woman is moments away from
1:11ending up dead.
1:12>> He never helped look for her. Everything
1:15that we've held, he has not. That day
1:18made me realize something's wrong.
1:20>> You guys are wasting your time. She's
1:22nowhere around here. The reason why
1:24Vicki tried to solve 10 years ago was
1:27because she found out that Jim was
1:28having an affair.
1:29>> Jesus Christ, you're asking me stuff 3
1:31and 1/2 years ago. I'm sorry, Roman. I
1:33just don't remember.
1:39We've been closely following this case
1:41for over a year, working alongside the
1:44Brown County Sheriff's Office to obtain
1:46never-before-seen footage and bring you
1:48an inside look at one of Wisconsin's
1:50most controversial cold cases that
1:52finally just got solved. [music] It's
1:56August 2nd, 2016 in Pittsfield.
1:59Detective Sergeant Roman Arenstein is
2:01sitting [music] at his desk looking
2:03through the files of a case that had
2:04been stalled for years. With the
2:06victim's family repeatedly calling the
2:08department for answers, Arenstein
2:10[music] has been tasked with deciding
2:12what comes next. Declare the case cold
2:15or find a way to finally solve it.
2:18>> Hey, I'm looking into this Victoria
2:20Proopus case,
2:22>> right? Is that the woman that went
2:24missing in 2013? Yeah, I visited her
2:26husband back then and I'm trying to
2:28locate the body cam footage.
2:31>> Uh, yep. Check the folder I just sent
2:33you.
2:34>> Got [snorts] it. Let me see.
2:37Thanks, buddy.
2:38>> Brown County Sheriff's Office. What's
2:39your emergency?
2:41>> My wife, the vessel. I've just come home
2:44from work and she's not here.
2:46>> When was the last time you saw her?
2:48>> Around 10:00 last night. Then I went to
2:51work and I just got back and and she's
2:54still gone.
2:55>> Okay, sir. We'll have a deputy come out
2:56to speak with you shortly.
2:58>> In this 2013 recording, the detective
3:01hears 67-year-old Jim Proapovitz
3:04reporting his wife missing. Following
3:06this call, dispatch would send Detective
3:09Arinstein and another deputy over,
3:11unaware that police and medics had
3:13already been called to this house
3:15before, but for a very different reason.
3:19But as Arinstein watches the old footage
3:21of himself arriving at the house, he's
3:23about to revisit the investigation's
3:26first major lead, one that will kick off
3:28a near decadel long investigation into
3:31one of the most controversial missing
3:33person cases in the county.
3:47Hi, how are you? I'm serve
3:51investigator. This is uh Sergeant
3:54Aaronstein. Any luck?
3:56>> No. No.
3:56>> Okay. Can we come in and talk?
3:58>> Sure. Come in.
3:59>> Is directly your son?
4:00>> Yeah. Well, yeah. My stepson, but our
4:04son, Vickiy's blood son.
4:06>> Is your name James?
4:07>> My name is James. Yeah.
4:08>> What's your middle initial?
4:09>> Yeah.
4:10>> Now, according to this report, you got
4:13up at 4:00 in the morning. 4:00, 3:30,
4:16between 3:30 and 4.
4:17>> How come you get up at that time?
4:19>> I leave for work about 5:00, a little
4:22after 5 for Georgia Pacific. I work for
4:25Kefree and Suns. First, you know, I got
4:28up, started the pot of coffee, and
4:30sometimes she's down in the basement or
4:32whatever. And I hollered for her and
4:34hollered for her and I thought maybe she
4:36fell asleep down there.
4:37>> Mhm.
4:37>> Cuz she does that once in a while.
4:38She'll be watching TV or
4:40>> Sure.
4:41>> And I went down, she wasn't there. went
4:43upstairs and looked. I looked all over
4:45through the house. Couldn't find her.
4:47>> First thing I did, I jumped in the truck
4:49and I rode every road. I went up and
4:52down cuz she does like to go for a walk.
4:54Really didn't think nothing of it.
4:56>> Does she have a job?
4:57>> Nope. She doesn't work. She's on
4:59disability
4:59>> for what?
5:00>> Depression and stuff. She's on uh
5:02psychiatrist here. Also in the report it
5:05says that she uh was thinking about
5:09>> she attempted
5:11>> who found her and what happened?
5:12>> Her son found her and they took her into
5:14St. Mary's Hospital and
5:16>> any chance that she wrote a note?
5:18>> No, I looked all over for a note. I
5:20looked here. I looked in the bedroom.
5:22All over. No note.
5:24>> Do you think she herself?
5:25>> I don't know. I hope to God not. It's
5:28possible. As Detective Aaron Stein
5:31reviews the footage, [music] it seems
5:32like Victoria's two previous attempts to
5:35hurt herself strongly suggests that she
5:38may have taken her own life. With that
5:41in mind, he continues watching body cam
5:43of investigators searching the property,
5:45looking for anything that could support
5:48what on the surface appears to be the
5:50most obvious explanation.
6:03Yeah, something's not right.
6:11This place is a mess.
6:17Stopping recording.
6:19>> Wow. Watching the original search
6:21footage and reviewing the documented
6:23findings, one particular detail
6:25immediately stands out to Detective
6:27Arinstein, Victoria had left almost
6:30everything she would normally take with
6:32her. Her purse, phone, cigarettes, and
6:36even her dentures. The only thing
6:39missing is a pair of shoes. But it
6:41wouldn't be her sneakers that are gone.
6:44It's a pair of high heels. for an
6:46elderly woman to leave the house wearing
6:48heels. Detective Arinstein believes she
6:50couldn't have made it very far. But in
6:53focusing on what's missing, Arenstein
6:55realizes they may have overlooked
6:58something crucial that could unravel
7:00Jim's entire story. As Aaron Stein
7:04continues reviewing the 2013 body cam
7:07footage, he realizes investigators may
7:10not have properly verified the alibi of
7:13Victoria's son from a previous marriage,
7:15Wesley. According to the case files,
7:18Wesley had reportedly left the house
7:20before his mother disappeared and didn't
7:23return until around the same time Jim
7:26was heading to work. So Aaronstein
7:28decides to revisit the 2013 interview
7:31from when [music] Wesley was first asked
7:33to come down to the station. On his
7:36screen, the detective watches his
7:38younger self sit across from Wesley
7:39[music]
7:40and begin questioning him about the
7:42night Victoria disappeared. And as the
7:44detective watches the interview, he's
7:47looking for one thing. Whether [music]
7:49Wesley's account supports Jim's story or
7:52puts him under even greater scrutiny.
7:56I just wanted to to take some time. I
7:58know we had a lot of family members and
8:00stuff around uh yesterday and I just
8:02wanted to have some time to to to speak
8:04with you. Um pretty much try to find
8:08out, you know, the timeline and things
8:09like that. On Thursday, me and my mom
8:11have a really close bond.
8:14That's one thing I won't do is pry at
8:17her cuz she knows that's one thing that
8:19bothers me cuz we're a lot of
8:22you and your mom close.
8:24>> Very close. ever since my accident
8:27and what happened when he got home. Um,
8:30pulled in the driveway and that's when
8:34my dad pulled in behind me. But when I
8:37was pulling in, I seen his truck was
8:39gone. Why is he left for work this road?
8:42Makes no sense. And he walked up to the
8:45side of my truck and he said, "Mom's
8:47gone." And I just looked at him like,
8:49"What do you mean she's gone?" You know,
8:51it's kind of a vague thing to say, you
8:53know, just mom's gone. And that time I
8:56was standing there like, "What the
8:58hell?" You know, why would she leave?
9:01She seemed fine. She's smiling.
9:04What are your thoughts that may have
9:06happened? Just after, you know, two
9:09[clears throat]
9:10close together and me being there for
9:12both of them, we call the ambulance.
9:15>> When you found her, was not? Yeah, she
9:19was in the process of writing a note on
9:22my note.
9:23>> So, she was writing.
9:25>> She was mad at me for finding her.
9:30>> So, she What did the note say? Do you
9:31remember?
9:32>> I don't even remember. It was so hard to
9:34read her writing. She was so messed up.
9:37>> And did she say later what she did?
9:40>> No.
9:41>> Okay. How did you find out that you took
9:44pills?
9:45>> There's pills all over the place. And I
9:48just asked you what you think might have
9:49happened and you said that, you know,
9:51based on her history and and those kind
9:53of things that you just explained, you
9:55you fear that maybe she hurt herself. Do
9:58you think there's a possibility that
10:00somebody else might have hurt her?
10:02>> The only one that would have would have
10:03been my biological father, he's gone.
10:07And when you say he's gone, I mean he
10:09passed away.
10:11As Detective Aaron Stein watches the
10:142013 [music]
10:15interview back, he notices that Wesley
10:17refused to view his stepfather Jim as a
10:20potential suspect. [music]
10:22Still, the fact that Wesley left home so
10:25close to the time Victoria disappeared
10:27is something Arinstein will need to
10:29examine more closely.
10:31But back in 2013, investigators
10:34ultimately let Wesley go and turned
10:36their attention towards other leads.
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11:58works through the remaining reports, he
12:00sees investigators interviewing
12:02neighbors across Pittsfield while search
12:04parties comb the surrounding areas. All
12:07the while, detectives remained
12:08completely in the dark about a new rumor
12:11beginning to circulate. One involving
12:13Jim and a potential new relationship.
12:16And as Aaron Stein reaches [music] the
12:18end of the original investigation file,
12:20the leads simply stop as the case
12:23inevitably goes cold. Or at least that's
12:27what one person would like to believe.
12:30>> What do you know about Kathy?
12:31>> Her family doesn't seem to like her.
12:33They all think she knows something or
12:35possibly could be involved.
12:37>> I think she knows something. I I'm
12:39thinking Jim has something to do with
12:41her.
12:41>> I know a lot of people think I did it. I
12:43know that. So help me God.
12:45>> He said, "Dad, you have every right to
12:47be happy and move on, but where's mom?
12:50You know, it's 3 months."
12:55And after reviewing all the available
12:57case material from the past 3 years,
12:59Arenstein [music]
13:00decides too much progress has been made
13:03to simply write Victoria's disappearance
13:05off as a cold case. And with her family
13:08refusing to let the case go quiet,
13:10Arenstein eventually obtains another
13:12search warrant and sends deputies back
13:14to Jim's home. Once there, officers
13:17seize computers, hard drives, financial
13:20records. But unlike the first search,
13:22they would come across a major new
13:25development.
13:27Luminol testing, a forensic technique
13:30often used to uncover cleaned up
13:32evidence, reveals what investigators
13:34believe are traces of blood in several
13:37areas of the home, including the
13:39bedroom, kitchen, hallway, and even a
13:41pillow. taken together, it's enough to
13:44lead Detective Sergeant Roman Arenstein
13:46to seriously reconsider the theory that
13:48Victoria had taken her own life. So,
13:51investigators return to Jim's house for
13:54a third time. And when Arinstein
13:56arrives, he's prepared for a much more
13:58intense conversation. But 3 years later,
14:01Jim's attitude would be noticeably
14:04different. And detectives are about to
14:06see what years of living under constant
14:09scrutiny had done to him.
14:12Good morning, sir.
14:13>> Yeah.
14:14>> Can I come in?
14:15>> Yes, sir.
14:15>> Me, too.
14:16>> Yeah.
14:17>> Thanks, Jim. You
14:18>> want us home? I see.
14:21>> You want home?
14:21>> Yeah, he's upstairs sleeping.
14:23>> Oh, well, it's sleeping. It's noon.
14:26>> He sleeps all day.
14:30>> And all your damn questions, Roman. Now,
14:33it's on TV that it's a murder trial or
14:36murder investigation or death
14:38investigation. It was on TV on channel
14:4026 or something. If this keeps up, I'm
14:44going to hire myself an attorney. I've
14:46been real friendly with you guys. I've
14:48given you everything you wanted all the
14:50time.
14:51>> I was because every time you come, you
14:53try and ask something and then you ask
14:56the same questions again and all you're
14:58doing is waiting for me to say something
15:00a little bit different. Then you say,
15:02"Oh, he's lying to us now. how we got
15:04them going and I'm I'm done answering
15:08questions. If you want to know something
15:10about Vicki, I'll try and help you.
15:12[music]
15:13And it was on TV. Oh, that she wasn't
15:15depressed or anything else. She was
15:17seeing a goddamn psychiatrist when it
15:19when this happened. She was on
15:21medication when this happened. None of
15:23that goes on TV. No,
15:26none of that's on there. It's never on
15:29there that she attempted a couple times
15:31and was bound determined to that was
15:34never mentioned.
15:35>> I mean, we can't we can't control what
15:38the media says and it's our job, Roman
15:42and and mine
15:43>> as officials just to corroborate
15:45information. That's why that that's why
15:47it's very important for us to ask all
15:50those questions. We're not trying to
15:51trick anyone. We're not trying to
15:53stumpify you or stupify you or or that's
15:57not it. She you you and Wes were the
16:01last two people to see
16:02>> with her. So that's why we're very
16:05interested in learning and knowing
16:07everything that we can from you.
16:08>> That is the theory. The last two people
16:10to see him alive or be with him alive or
16:14what have you
16:15>> are the suspects. [music] I understand.
16:17I'm a suspect of something happening to
16:20him. I understand that.
16:23>> For the first time in 3 years, Jim
16:26openly acknowledges that he's a suspect.
16:29Detectives can tell he's far more
16:31frustrated than before. [music]
16:33Whether from being wrongly accused,
16:36years of grief or guilt. So, to figure
16:39out which one it is, investigators would
16:41ask Jim to reenact that fateful night.
16:44And they're about to get some
16:46interesting reactions. So, I want you to
16:49tell me where you were seated when you
16:50guys got dead. Do you remember?
16:52>> No.
16:53>> Okay.
16:54>> Three and a half years ago. You're
16:55asking me where I sat at a goddamn
16:57kitchen table.
16:59>> My god, man.
17:03And you're asking me what kind of
17:05[music] do you pay attention to your
17:06what your wife wears every time she gets
17:08dressed? If you do, you're a good man.
17:11But no, the simple answer to that is I
17:14don't. However, yeah, I know you don't,
17:17but say, God forbid something would
17:19happen to your wife, would you be able
17:20to tell everybody what she had on or
17:23what she wore, if you guys think I did
17:25something, god damn it, arrest me and
17:27haul me in because I didn't. Well, I
17:30loved her. I still do.
17:35And what you told me, you got out of bed
17:373:34.
17:38>> Yeah.
17:39>> And you went to the bathroom, you
17:41hollered, "Honey."
17:42>> Yeah. the holler. You thought Why don't
17:45you Why don't you Why don't you go to
17:47the bathroom and then show me what you
17:49did that morning. The And if you have to
17:52holler,
17:52>> I I I don't I don't I went to the
17:55bathroom. If you don't remember to
17:56>> I took a piss. I hollered, "Honey,
17:59>> she didn't answer."
18:00>> Okay, then go.
18:00>> Then I went here. Went down in the
18:03basement. Go ahead.
18:05>> Thought she was down here.
18:10Turn the light up. He's down the steps,
18:15buddy.
18:17Okay.
18:18>> Do you remember why it is that you felt
18:20the importance to look in every
18:22>> Because she tried to kill down here in
18:24the basement once. That's why.
18:25>> Okay. That
18:26>> it's that simple.
18:27>> Yep. So, you were looking
18:29>> I found her in that room.
18:30>> Okay. Then what happened next to me?
18:32>> Then I went outside and
18:34>> Okay, I'll follow you.
18:35>> There was gas and stuff in here. I No,
18:38there wasn't. I don't remember.
18:40walked around in here a little bit.
18:41Didn't see her an hour and a half.
18:44That's when I jumped in the truck. Okay.
18:46So, the truckic
18:49part of the investigation very important
18:51if we can if we can actually take a
18:53ride. So, if you don't, you know,
18:55>> I'll Yeah, I'll go. Okay. Hop in the
18:57truck and I'll just jump in with you
18:58with uh with my partner here.
19:00>> Is that okay if I get in, Jim, too?
19:01>> Yeah. Jump.
19:03>> So, I want you to drive the exact same
19:06way.
19:07Hold
19:08>> you can remember.
19:09or whatever you can remember best. Okay.
19:13>> After agreeing to take the cops for a
19:15drive around the area, Jim is moments
19:17away from making his first mistake.
19:19[music] He takes them past a nearby
19:21Maplewood Shell, claiming it's one of
19:23the places he searched for Victoria. But
19:26what Jim doesn't realize is [music] that
19:29this part of his story can easily be
19:31fact checked, and detectives make a note
19:33to obtain the gas station's CCTV
19:35footage. Once Jim drives investigators
19:38back to his property, they begin to
19:40sense that he may finally be close to
19:42cracking. [music]
19:42So, naturally, they decide to apply even
19:45more pressure.
19:48>> So, just like I asked you when we walked
19:49around, you would have taken just a
19:51little longer because you were going a
19:52little
19:53>> I was going slower, but it probably and
19:55I might have missed a road out here.
19:57>> And that's perfectly understandable.
19:59Jesus Christ, you're asking me stuff 3
20:01and 1/2 years ago. What roads did I go
20:03to? I'm sorry, Roman. I just don't
20:04remember. But it was about about this
20:07long. A little longer.
20:08>> A little longer. Maybe I don't know hour
20:11it took me. I was running around
20:12>> and that was and that was actually a
20:14pretty pretty good representation of
20:16where you went.
20:17>> Pretty damn good.
20:18>> Right. And it was going to take
20:20somewhere between 30 to 45 maybe 30 to
20:24an hour.
20:25>> About an hour maybe 45 minutes to an
20:27hour. I don't know. I don't remember
20:30anymore.
20:30>> Okay. Did Wes help you look for her uh
20:33before or after work at all?
20:35>> I don't remember if he did. I think
20:37after work he did. I'm not sure. I don't
20:39remember. Roman
20:41said you said you didn't look for her
20:42after work. When you came home
20:43>> when I came home, she was gone. I called
20:45the cops right away.
20:46>> Gotcha. And so which point did you
20:49discover her purse?
20:50>> It was laying in here on the just I it
20:54just happened to be sitting there. I
20:55don't remember what time I remember.
20:57>> Somebody I think if I found it when the
20:59officers came here or when. I don't
21:01remember. Roman,
21:02>> do you remember if you um Well, you must
21:05have not found it before you.
21:07>> I didn't go looking for it right away.
21:10>> Just one thing that I noticed is that
21:11you you seem to be upset by our
21:13presence. Is it?
21:14>> No, I'm not upset. It's It's just
21:18>> Were you nervous about us coming?
21:19>> No, I wasn't nervous. I I wasn't
21:21nervous. I got nothing to hide.
21:23>> Now, you tell me. Who doesn't get a
21:25little bit excited when you got two
21:27officers asking you to remember
21:28something 3 and 1/2 years ago, what
21:31roads you took,
21:32>> what time and what have you.
21:34>> And and and and
21:37I explain to you that I've got people
21:39who think I did it.
21:40>> Yep.
21:41>> And this doesn't help when I tell
21:44somebody you guys were out questioning
21:46me again.
21:47>> I mean, that set
21:49anybody off. I mean, it it would I it
21:52>> and maybe that's what we're looking for,
21:54>> you know? I mean, it it it just
21:56>> All right, take care.
21:56>> All right, guys.
21:57>> Thanks, Jim. All the best.
22:02>> Even under mounting pressure, Jim
22:05refuses to change his story.
22:07Additionally, detectives begin to fear
22:09that if he is indeed guilty, his
22:12willingness to cooperate will only go
22:14down from here. And if the case ever
22:16reaches court, the defense could even
22:18argue that detectives crossed a line
22:21during this visit. But as [music]
22:22investigators leave the property,
22:24there's something they couldn't possibly
22:26foresee. Even if they eventually find
22:29Victoria, she would not be the only
22:32woman to [music] end up dead.
22:36After returning to the station,
22:39Arenstein receives a new tip about Jim,
22:42one that would finally bring him in on
22:44the rumor that had been circulating
22:45around town. The caller, Jason, [music]
22:48tells investigators that his mother had
22:50been dating Jim since around the time
22:52Victoria disappeared, and her name is
22:55Kathy Friday.
22:58[music]
23:00Investigators decide to follow up on
23:02this lead and head out to speak with
23:03Kathy herself. At this point, police
23:06view her as little more than a potential
23:08witness and a source of information on
23:10Jim. But by the end of the conversation,
23:13police will have added a new suspect to
23:16their list.
23:17>> This time when you started talking to
23:19him, she she was already missing.
23:21>> Yeah.
23:21>> That was uh she went missing in late
23:24April,
23:24>> right? Right.
23:25>> And and you heard from him the first
23:27time when?
23:28>> In May. sometime. It's sometime in May
23:30because whenever he'd call it'd usually
23:33be in May because he remembered my
23:35birthday was in May. He could never
23:37remember what day and he'd always say,
23:40you know, I remember your birthday's in
23:42May. Happy birthday.
23:44And um he called me again. It was in
23:47May. Uh and I remember it was after my
23:50birthday. Uh as for when I I don't know.
23:54>> That was the first time you talked to
23:55him in 2013. Would that be accurate to
23:57say?
23:57>> Yes. We had uh conversations with with
24:00obviously numerous folks um including a
24:02lot of your family members and things
24:04like that.
24:05>> Um they're indicating a lot of your
24:08family members are indicating that you
24:09told them that the way you came across
24:11and met him after his wife went missing
24:14was a little different. Do you remember
24:16what you told your family
24:17>> is that I had gone over to um the whole
24:22chunk casino over in Wittenberg and this
24:26person come and sat down and he said to
24:29me he says is your name Kathy and I said
24:32yeah
24:33>> who was it?
24:34>> It was Jeff.
24:35>> You didn't recognize him?
24:36>> No.
24:37>> Has he changed that much?
24:38>> Yes.
24:39>> Wow.
24:39>> Yes.
24:40>> That's like a TV made movie. uh because
24:44>> well I hadn't seen him for over 30 years
24:46you know and I should say this but age
24:49hasn't you know and and he smoked and I
24:52said that Mar passed away in November
24:54and he said you know told me he was
24:56sorry and everything and then he asked
24:58what happened and and he said well I've
25:01been better too and then he told me
25:03about her and I said oh my god here I've
25:06been telling you my problems and here
25:09you're going through something worse you
25:11No.
25:12>> Do you have any reason to to distrust
25:15Jim at all?
25:16>> No.
25:17>> Or not feel comfortable with him at all?
25:20>> Who is your will out to?
25:22>> Pardon me.
25:22>> Who is your will out to currently?
25:24>> Well, currently my kids.
25:26>> Currently your kids. And who are you
25:27planning on changing that to?
25:28>> Um, let me say.
25:31>> Is there a reason why you're changing
25:32that?
25:33>> Um, because my kids don't want to have
25:36anything that they told me. Well,
25:38especially when my daughter doesn't want
25:39to have anything to do with me unless I
25:41stop saying.
25:42>> That's shocking. What do you think about
25:45that?
25:46>> She has said some very very hurtful
25:49things and done some very hurtful things
25:51to me
25:53and
25:54have I I've never always agreed with
25:58things that she's done with her life
26:00either.
26:00>> How about your son?
26:01>> Um, he doesn't want to see Jim. He
26:03doesn't want to meet Jeff. He doesn't
26:06want to have anything to do with it. He
26:08did admit that to me a week or two weeks
26:11ago. That is a little bit jealous.
26:15>> After speaking with Kathy, investigators
26:17find her account of how she rekindled
26:19her relationship with Jim rather
26:21unconvincing. Considering the two had
26:24known each other for over 30 years,
26:26dating back to before Jim even met
26:28Victoria, the idea that they simply
26:31failed to recognize one another seems
26:33odd to say the least. As the
26:35conversation with Kathy wraps up, she's
26:37completely oblivious to the detective's
26:39next move, heading over to speak with
26:41her son, Jason, the same man who called
26:44police just an [music] hour earlier. And
26:47what he has to say will raise serious
26:49questions about when Jim and Cathy's
26:52relationship actually began. A seemingly
26:55insignificant detail that will
26:57ultimately determine both of their
27:00futures.
27:01So, you said that your mom initially
27:03told you she met this gym guy because he
27:06randomly sat down next to her.
27:09>> Did that story change?
27:11>> Well, yeah, they had the chance because
27:13now we know that they start talking the
27:16beginning of May.
27:16>> Did she tell you why she lied to you?
27:19>> Oh, cuz she says she's not one.
27:21>> So, is the story still I met him in the
27:23casino?
27:24>> Not that he called her?
27:25>> Nope. Was was it your impression that
27:27they were casually seeing each other or
27:29was something more like different?
27:30>> I think more in because to me it's just
27:33like okay if she says that they only
27:35dated twice but he says he that they had
27:38an affair. There's two different
27:41things there. And if you would ask my
27:43mom, she'll praise up and down to her
27:45Lord and say that she never cheated on
27:46my dad, which everybody knows it's a lie
27:49because my dad would tell me things, you
27:51know, and go, "Why would you make up
27:53this stuff?" you know, and and it's just
27:56like now all of a sudden
28:00people are starting to find out about
28:01them too. And the fact that, you know,
28:04then I said, "Okay, mom." I said I said,
28:06"You know, Jenny told me that the reason
28:08why Vicki tried to 10 years ago
28:12was because she found out that Jim was
28:14having an affair." And I mean, I think I
28:17think she knows something. I this I'm
28:19thinking Jim has something to do with
28:21it. And I really do because from
28:25everything what I know it doesn't add
28:27up. And then this from everybody I mean
28:30I've talked to some of my friends and a
28:32lot of women about this. I said would
28:35you date a guy that his wife has been
28:38missing for a month? They're like hell
28:40no. You know and that's what I'm saying.
28:43>> What lead you to believe that she has
28:45knowledge about this?
28:46>> I think she does.
28:48>> What leads you to believe that?
28:49>> Why do I believe that? Um because it's
28:53just like
28:55it it it doesn't make any sense because
28:57any person in their right mind
29:01start talking to a guy you know and that
29:05he says oh it's like well why don't we
29:07start dating but but by the way my wife
29:09has been missing for a month you know
29:12I've heard different stories about Jim
29:14about participating [music]
29:16in events
29:18where my mom cuz I've been told he only
29:22been to like one of the s one of her
29:23search. So I don't know if that's true
29:26or not. I confronted my mom about that.
29:28She goes, "Oh no, he's told me he's been
29:30to every single search." What stands out
29:33first to detectives are two things.
29:36First, just how seemingly selfserving
29:40Jim and Cathy's relationship appears to
29:42be. And second, that Cathy's own son is
29:47convinced the two had been having an
29:49affair long before Victoria disappeared,
29:52potentially even contributing to her
29:54depression. As detectives wrap up their
29:57interview with Jason, they're about to
29:59discover that the tension surrounding
30:01this supposedly new relationship runs
30:04even deeper. Later that evening,
30:07Victoria's daughters from her first
30:09marriage, Marca and Stacy, reach out to
30:12speak with police. And as the two sit
30:15down for their interviews, they would
30:17begin by giving detectives even more
30:19reasons to question their stepfather
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31:23>> And he said, "How would you feel? I need
31:25to know how you'd feel if I started
31:28seeing this lady friend of mine." And he
31:31goes on and on about how she's a farmat
31:33and she's got kids and they're about our
31:36age and all this stuff like he's trying
31:38to sell this idea to us. And he said,
31:41"Well, you know, I really had feelings
31:43for her before and
31:47um but she was married. Had I known she
31:50got divorced before I married your mom,
31:52I would have never married your mom."
31:53During this conversation at the table,
31:56he lets us know he kept in contact with
32:00her throughout the marriage. He said,
32:01"Dad, you have every right to be happy
32:04and move on, but
32:07where's mom? You know, it's 3 months."
32:10>> We brought
32:12people out there to search. His brother
32:15and his nieces came [clears throat] and
32:17he slept in the chair while we all
32:19searched.
32:20that day made me realize
32:24something's wrong.
32:26>> Hearing that and the fact that he never
32:28helped looked for her. He claims he
32:31looked and walked, but everything that
32:33we've held, he has not.
32:36>> What do you know about Kathy?
32:37>> Her family doesn't seem to like her.
32:40They all think she knows something or
32:43possibly could be involved. I found out
32:45that the story of how Jim and Kathy
32:48connected is not accurate.
32:51Doesn't make any sense to me.
32:53>> Clearly, both Marsha and Stacy strongly
32:57suspect Jim had something to do with
33:00their mother's disappearance. And even
33:02more troubling, that Kathy may have been
33:05involved as well. But before wrapping
33:07up, Stacy tells investigators that her
33:09friend Julie also came with her to the
33:12station and may have some potentially
33:13useful information about Jim. So
33:16Arenstein invites her into an interview
33:18room. But without realizing it,
33:20investigators are about to hear one of
33:22the grimmst theories yet and a possible
33:26explanation for why Victoria's body may
33:29never be found.
33:32>> Have we ever met? Well, I don't know
33:34personally, but I've seen you at the
33:36events.
33:37>> Okay, sounds good.
33:38>> Well, we've never talked.
33:40>> No.
33:40>> Have you ever talked to any police about
33:42this case before?
33:43>> No.
33:43>> Okay. So, what what I am a sponge. So,
33:46tell me what it is that you know and
33:48what you think might be perfect for me
33:49to learn.
33:50>> Um, just an observation when I went to
33:53I've never met him personally.
33:56Mom, Jim.
33:57>> Jim. Okay.
33:58>> I've never met him.
33:59>> Okay.
34:00>> Or Victoria. Well, he came to the first
34:02search, Jim did, and it was just
34:05temporarily. He wasn't there that long.
34:10Probably 15, 20 minutes and he left. I
34:13remember the hall was kind of cleared
34:15out and everybody was outside smoking or
34:18whatever. So, I just followed everybody
34:20outside and Jim was out there smoking
34:23and just said,
34:27"You guys are wasting your time.
34:30She's nowhere around here.
34:32>> Okay. Anything else that you remember?
34:34>> Then he said women,
34:36>> all they do is
34:40for him to say she's nowhere around here
34:42made me think, okay, he worked at
34:44McKefree and my husband did
34:46construction. So I kind of have that
34:48background. So my thought is that he'd
34:51do something to her at home, throw her
34:53in his pickup truck, drive her over to
34:56the
34:58McK,
35:00throw her in a bucket of a payloader,
35:03throw her up into a dump truck. That guy
35:05comes in in the morning, just gets in
35:07the truck, gets loaded at the paper
35:09mill, goes and dumps her out by the
35:13um sledge pond by the airport out there.
35:15M
35:16>> and that's where I think because he says
35:19you'll never find her cuz when you're in
35:21a sludge of that crap you're going to
35:23disintegrate.
35:24>> I don't think he ever said that to me.
35:26>> What immediately jumps out from Julie's
35:29statement is the alleged chemical waste
35:32pond that may have been used to dispose
35:34of a body. A theory Arenstein hadn't
35:37considered before. But now he has no
35:41choice but to investigate it further.
35:43And with yet another witness questioning
35:46Jim's efforts during the searches,
35:48Arenstein decides it's time to verify
35:50Jim's claims once and for all.
35:54Officers reach out to Victoria's
35:56psychiatrist, who had seen her less than
35:5824 hours before she vanished. He
36:01confirms that Victoria had in fact been
36:03doing better in recent days. Deputies
36:06then turned to the Maplewood Shell where
36:08Jim claimed he had stopped to look for
36:10Victoria that morning. But when officers
36:12review the CCTV footage, neither Jim nor
36:16his truck appear anywhere on camera.
36:19Yet, despite these small winds,
36:21detectives still have no body. And
36:24without one, prosecuting Jim would be
36:27incredibly difficult. On top of that,
36:30even if Jim was responsible for
36:32Victoria's death, he's had 3 years to
36:35flee from Pittsfield, meaning he's
36:37either innocent or confident enough he's
36:40getting away with this. But unbeknownst
36:42to detectives, another woman's life is
36:45still in serious danger.
36:47>> This is really, really short notice.
36:49>> What do you think about that? Are you
36:51sorry that you lied to the court?
36:52>> Yeah. And and
36:53>> sorry you lied to investigators for
36:55years.
36:56>> Yeah. [laughter]
37:01>> Well, what what's so funny?
37:04>> The year is now 2019. And after slowly
37:08building circumstantial evidence that
37:10still hadn't broken the investigation
37:12open, May 8th, 2019 would finally mark a
37:17turning point. Jim and Kathy are placed
37:19under oath during a John Doe hearing, a
37:22secret court proceeding where a judge
37:24determines whether there is enough
37:26evidence of a crime to move forward.
37:28It's make or break for Victoria's case.
37:31And after 6 years of maintaining their
37:33story nearly perfectly, this time their
37:37accounts would begin to unravel. Under
37:39oath, both Jim and Kathy initially stick
37:43to their story of a chance encounter at
37:45a casino. But after their sworn
37:48testimony, with investigators picking
37:50apart their accounts, they both
37:53eventually admit the same thing. They
37:55had lied to police. The casino encounter
37:59never happened. They had used the story
38:01to conceal how soon their relationship
38:03had begun.
38:06The investigation takes a major turn.
38:09Years of hiding the truth had come back
38:11to haunt them. As both Jim and Kathy are
38:14arrested for obstruction and taken into
38:17custody as Cathy is brought into an
38:19interrogation room, Arenstein's goal
38:21isn't so much to implicate her as it is
38:24to get her to turn on Jim. And if Kathy
38:26has already admitted to one lie,
38:28detectives may be able to get her to
38:30admit to something much bigger. In the
38:33worst case scenario, Kathy could spend
38:35the rest of her life in prison. And
38:38Aarinstein suspects that possibility may
38:41outweigh whatever loyalty she still has
38:43to Jim and finally get her to break. But
38:46little do these detectives know, their
38:48strategy is about to work, just not in a
38:52way they could have possibly [music]
38:53foreseen.
38:58Hi.
38:58>> Hi, Kathy. Can I come in?
39:04>> We got a lot of a long day.
39:08>> I was just worried about fighting
39:09animals.
39:10>> I get it. I get it.
39:13>> Little boy has been in the house.
39:14>> Let's go.
39:15>> Let's talk real quick and let's see how
39:18we're going to get this figured out.
39:21>> You're under arrest. You're not free for
39:24what?
39:25obstruction and we'll explain it a
39:29little bit more
39:32and it it stems from today. Jim has
39:35always been under the umbrella of
39:38suspicion along with everybody and
39:41everything. Okay,
39:45I recognize and I know that you feel
39:49that this doesn't have anything to do
39:50with me. She went missing prior to me. I
39:53I understand that. But please understand
39:56that we have to look at what happened,
40:00what didn't happen, what's true, what's
40:03accurate.
40:04You did obstruct the investigation. You
40:08you you admitted that on the stand. The
40:13prosecutor is very plain about that. You
40:16are not the focus of this investigation.
40:18>> We did not arrange that casino. We
40:21arranged Let me So let me So let me tell
40:24you that no reasonable person that Jay's
40:26referring to is going to buy the
40:30>> that you both ended up at a casino that
40:32he's never been to and you didn't
40:34regularly go on the same date at the
40:37same time randomly after you have had
40:40numerous phone calls together. There was
40:42numerous communication. Yes, there was.
40:44>> And I'm going to tell you that Jim took
40:46the stand today and he lied about how he
40:49got to that casino. Okay. The the the
40:52casino
40:54casino didn't didn't happen. The casino
40:58didn't happen. Right. We we did we met
41:03we arranged for the meeting at
41:07at the uh truck stop.
41:11>> What do you think about that? Are you
41:13sorry that you lied to the court?
41:14>> Yeah. And and
41:15>> are you sorry you lied to investigators
41:17for years?
41:18>> Yeah. I told I told him I said I don't
41:21know why
41:23why I come up with that but again I I
41:26come up with it to protect me.
41:28>> That's part of the truth.
41:30>> And that was what do you mean that's
41:31part of the truth?
41:33>> You lied to me about some stuff, right?
41:35>> The only thing was about that casino.
41:38>> Well, that's what I'm saying.
41:40>> That's the only thing. And that again
41:42was because I was embarrassed to tell
41:45people that we set up that meeting.
41:49>> At one point somebody said
41:50>> that Jim didn't have anything to do with
41:52that story. I did.
41:54>> Okay. You came up with that story. You
41:55gave it to him and he told that story to
41:57us over and over and over again.
42:00>> And and believe me, if if I had any idea
42:03that he did it. I
42:04>> know that you told me that.
42:05>> Yeah.
42:06>> You told me that. I would I'm I'm sorry,
42:09but I'm I'm not going to
42:12I would never Yeah, I lied about that,
42:15but
42:17I would never cover up for somebody that
42:21No. No.
42:23>> After exhausting every possible angle to
42:26get Kathy to turn on Jim, investigators
42:28come up empty. By the end of the
42:30interview, Kathy is visibly exhausted,
42:33and the pressure surrounding the
42:35investigation would soon take a
42:37devastating toll.
42:39With Kathy now under arrest, attention
42:42shifts to Jim, who has been anxiously
42:45waiting for hours inside an
42:47interrogation room. Although detectives
42:49had hoped to have much more concrete
42:52evidence by now, this is still their
42:53best and possibly final opportunity.
42:56They need a confession and they need to
42:59know where Victoria's body is. And to
43:02get there, investigators are willing to
43:05use some very questionable tactics, even
43:08if it means threatening Jim with one of
43:10the things he cares about most in the
43:13world.
43:15>> I'd ask you how you doing, but it's
43:17pointless to ask.
43:21>> You're under arrest.
43:22>> I know you're detained.
43:24>> I know.
43:24>> Okay. We want to talk about a couple
43:27things going forward. Okay. Um, I want
43:31to tell you about Kathy, uh, some of
43:33those things. But before I do that, I
43:35have to read you your rights cuz you're
43:37in custody. Okay.
43:38>> Mhm.
43:39>> Kathy's been placed under arrest.
43:43Just listen. Okay. Just listen to me.
43:46Promise. Just hear me out. Okay.
43:50Now, when she took the sand, she got the
43:53same admonishment that you did. We know
43:58that there are some things that weren't
43:59true. She has set the record straight on
44:03some stuff. You did the right thing,
44:04Kathy. We'll let you see Jim. Okay? This
44:07can't be a long sit down thing or
44:09anything like that.
44:10>> Is she going to jail, too?
44:12>> We'll we'll talk about that. Okay? Cuz
44:15her animals, there's no way to take care
44:17of her animal. We understand. What do
44:19you think about all this?
44:22>> She had nothing to do with it. Nothing
44:24at all. Absolutely nothing. Nothing to
44:27do with anything. I didn't do anything
44:29to
44:30>> What? Ficky,
44:31>> what what are you thinking about this? I
44:33don't care about her. We're done with
44:34her. Okay, we're done with her. She's
44:38taking her responsibility and we'll
44:39we'll go on from there.
44:40>> Do whatever you want. Ask me questions.
44:42I'll tell you anything I can to
44:44straighten something out. But if she
44:46goes to jail,
44:49I'm not going to be a happy camper.
44:52Vickiy's dead.
44:57Vickiy's dead.
44:58>> Okay. If you say she's dead, she's dead.
45:00I don't know.
45:01>> Vickiy's dead.
45:02>> I don't know.
45:04I don't know. That is the truth. I
45:08>> This has
45:10This whole case
45:12has a lot of ripples.
45:14I mean, you are going to lose the entire
45:16world.
45:18>> What do you want? What do you want me to
45:20say? What? It's not No, no, no. I It's
45:22not What do you want to ask? It's not
45:24what I want you to say.
45:27>> What the truth is.
45:28>> I'll tell you the truth if you ask me
45:30the questions,
45:30>> right?
45:31>> I mean, you know what we do for a
45:32living, right?
45:33>> I know. I know.
45:35>> And you knew that we were going to just
45:37keep coming back because
45:40we knew it was bogus.
45:41>> I know.
45:42>> All right. And I know the first time you
45:45talked to me, you figured I killed her.
45:47I know you did. I I could just feel it.
45:49I could feel it that that you said in
45:53your mind he did it. He did something to
45:55her. Well, I'm sorry. That's the feeling
45:57I got. I'm honest with you.
45:59>> Sure. Just the way
46:00>> I'm honest with you. I want you to be
46:01honest with me.
46:02>> Just sort of the way it it was going. I
46:06had that
46:08they think I did something to her.
46:12And I I I don't care. They charge me for
46:16whatever they want, but I did not do
46:18anything to her.
46:20>> Despite the immense pressure from
46:22detectives, even using Cathy's fate as
46:25leverage, it still isn't enough to make
46:28Jim crack. And while most investigators
46:30might stop here to reassess the case or
46:33pursue other leads, what's about to
46:36unfold would set the stage for something
46:39extremely controversial,
46:41leaving the community split over whether
46:44they're witnessing legitimate police
46:45tactics or a case built around a
46:48foregone conclusion.
46:50>> You're facing something really, really
46:52serious. I know how much do you want to
46:55how much do you want to help yourself
46:56out? I want to help myself, but I want
46:58to help Kathy way more. Well,
47:00>> yeah, let me get to that part. Well,
47:03>> you can give us a story, but this is
47:04your chance because she's going to take
47:06a full ride. You want a key? You
47:09>> I know I hold a key and I'm telling you,
47:11Roman, I don't know where she is.
47:14>> Then, guess what? I don't know.
47:16>> If you don't jump in the car with us and
47:18show us, I have nothing to give to the
47:20prosecutor. I can't get in the car and
47:24point someplace and say she's there. I
47:26can't do it. I don't know where she is.
47:29>> I'll have to tell Kathy.
47:30>> Maybe I'll have to tell her because I
47:32don't know where she is. Roman, as much
47:34as I want to help her, I cannot go and
47:37point a place and say, "There she is. I
47:40don't know." I'm not lying about where
47:43she is. You know what I mean?
47:46God, you lied to the I don't KNOW WHERE
47:48SHE IS. You lied on the stand today.
47:52I lied on I I did that. I'll admit that.
47:55But I do not know where she is.
47:58>> So God that she doesn't go poof. I know
48:02she You were the last one to see her.
48:05You were the last one with her. You were
48:07the last one to hear her.
48:09>> I don't know. I don't If I knew, I'd
48:11tell you right now.
48:13>> I tell you right now because Kathy,
48:16trust you. You're you you don't want to
48:18be caught. You didn't want to be caught
48:20today on the stand
48:21>> and you lied.
48:22>> And you lied. All right. You don't want
48:24to be caught now. I'll admit I killed
48:26her. I killed her. There. I killed her.
48:27Kathy had nothing to do with it.
48:28>> Tell me what you did there.
48:29>> I don't know. I don't know where she is.
48:32>> I I I killed her. No,
48:34>> I don't know how I killed her. Tell me
48:35how you killed her.
48:36>> I didn't. So, I can't tell you.
48:38>> Did you I can't tell you. I don't know.
48:40>> Well, did you choke her?
48:41>> No, I didn't choke her. I don't know
48:43where she is.
48:44>> Was she alive when she got under your
48:45truck? She never got in the truck with
48:47me. Did you assist her with something?
48:49>> No, I didn't assist her with anything.
48:52>> Did she ask you to do something?
48:53>> No, she didn't ask me to do anything to
48:55her or for her.
48:58I don't know where she is of an
49:00accident.
49:00>> No, I honest God. I did not hurt that
49:04woman that day. I did not do anything
49:07that
49:08>> that woman. Okay. I'm sorry. I did not
49:11>> I did not hurt my wife that day. I did
49:14nothing to her. is rally involved.
49:18>> Don't now you're really Yeah. Well, the
49:21problem is is it's going to it's going
49:22to touch
49:24involved at all.
49:25>> Well, some people this person to you,
49:28Jim,
49:29>> you you may find you may find that this
49:31criminal investigation starts expanding
49:33like a well, let it expand.
49:36But I don't know where she is.
49:39>> Is Wall-E involved?
49:40>> No, he is not involved. Oh,
49:43>> no way in hell is my son involved in
49:46this.
49:48>> If he thought I did something to her, he
49:50would never talk to me again.
49:52>> Is that frightening you?
49:54>> He talks to me. He doesn't even think I
49:56did it.
49:59What [laughter] was that?
50:03>> Well, what what's so funny? He doesn't
50:05think I did anything to her.
50:09I I I I really have um I really have a
50:12lot of pity on you, Jim.
50:14>> No, you don't. I do.
50:16>> You got You got your man. You
50:18>> I I got my man.
50:19>> Yeah.
50:20>> And that's the truth, you know. I mean,
50:23if you want any any potential life with
50:26Kathy Jim.
50:27>> Well, if you want her to to to have some
50:30sort of
50:30>> I understand what you're saying, guys.
50:33And believe me, if I knew what happened
50:36to her and where she is, I would tell
50:38you
50:40just to save Kathy,
50:42not to save my ass, cuz I don't care
50:44about my ass.
50:45>> Yeah, I I believe that. I think you're
50:46done. I think you, like you said, you
50:48got nothing to lose. I don't know where
50:50she is.
50:51>> That's not what I asked. I asked you to
50:53think about things and your future. I'm
50:56thinking about my future. I know where
50:57it's going to end up.
51:02Although Jim eventually confesses to
51:04killing Victoria, the confession could
51:06be seen as forced and unreliable in a
51:10court of law. But after using both Kathy
51:12and even his own son as leverage, there
51:16is little else detectives can do to
51:18pressure him further. By this point, Jim
51:21has reportedly spent around 24 hours
51:24being questioned in total and close to
51:26100 once the trial proceedings are
51:28concluded. After 6 years of accusations
51:31and constant scrutiny, Jim's emotional
51:34exhaustion and vulnerability to a false
51:37confession are points his defenders
51:39would continue to emphasize.
51:42Nevertheless, following this interview,
51:44Jim is found guilty of first-degree
51:46murder.
51:48Several days later, investigators sit
51:51down with Jim and Kathy one final time.
51:54both now facing serious consequences
51:56over what had begun as a lie about their
51:59relationship. But what detectives don't
52:02realize is that [music] this would
52:03become the last known recording of Kathy
52:07alive.
52:09>> Somehow when you both took the stand,
52:10you both clearly lied cuz you both
52:12charged with murder, right?
52:15>> So then, so then where did that happen?
52:17How did that happen?
52:18>> How did you guys both tell the story?
52:21throughout it. It all started and we
52:23just
52:25>> just kept on saying it and you both
52:27agreed to do it
52:28>> and
52:29>> and that day you were like you just
52:31>> we never even said okay this is what
52:33we're going to say if
52:35>> well how did one of you know that you
52:37were going to stay with the story and
52:38the other one was not going to stay with
52:40the story. I mean that's kind of that
52:43would screw the other person.
52:44>> That's kind of rolling the dice cuz what
52:46if he said something what if he told the
52:48truth and you didn't
52:49>> someone was going to get exposed. Yeah.
52:51>> Immediately.
52:52>> Yeah.
52:53>> You know, one thing I don't know if Jim
52:55mentioned to you, he did mention to me
52:58in here, he said that Wes wasn't home
53:02when she disappeared.
53:05And he said when Wes did come home,
53:08he told me this
53:10I don't know how long ago.
53:14Um
53:15he said I said to Wes, "Mom's missing.
53:18We need to go find her." And he said,
53:20"Wes" says, "I'm tired. I'm going to
53:22bed."
53:24And I said, "He didn't go help you?" And
53:28he said, "No, he didn't."
53:31And I said to him, I said, "Don't you
53:33think that's strange?"
53:38>> Thank you.
53:40Then other than that, I
53:42as I said the other night, I'm I'm still
53:46hoping if you know and I will continue
53:50to
53:52proc
54:00[clears throat]
54:08I don't wake up in the
54:10to hear about. No,
54:11>> my life is over no matter what. You guys
54:13think I'm guilty. I know I didn't do
54:16anything. Yeah, I lied to you, but I did
54:18it. God,
54:21we'll remember that. Thank you.
54:25>> Sorry about
54:27Thank you.
54:28>> With Kathy admitting to making mistakes
54:31and Jim requesting a lawyer, the
54:33investigation comes to an official end.
54:37Since Victoria's body is still missing,
54:39investigators are left to piece together
54:41what they believe happened all those
54:43years ago.
54:46According to their running theory, Jim
54:48wanted Victoria out of the way after
54:50learning that Cathy's [music] ex-husband
54:52had passed away, leaving her free to be
54:55with him. Investigators believe at some
54:57point on April 25th, Jim killed his
55:00wife. And just as [music] Julie had
55:02claimed earlier, Jim did in fact work at
55:05a paper mill, giving him access to an
55:07industrial waste area that included a
55:10sludge pond used for disposal.
55:12Prosecutors would later argue that the
55:14conditions inside the pond could have
55:16caused [music] any remains to
55:17disintegrate. A possible reason Jim went
55:20to work the following morning instead of
55:22reporting his wife missing was to ensure
55:24her body was properly covered up. But
55:27according to news reports citing police,
55:29thoroughly excavating or searching the
55:31ponds would have been too hazardous.
55:34However, there are serious problems with
55:36this theory. The biggest being the
55:39complete lack of physical evidence tying
55:41Victoria's disappearance to Jim. No
55:43blood was found in his vehicle, the
55:46home, the barn, or anywhere else
55:48investigators searched. As for the
55:50luminal findings, what investigators
55:52initially believed could be blood was
55:55never confirmed to be human blood, let
55:57alone Victoria's.
55:59So, they were treated as little more
56:01than another piece of circumstantial
56:03evidence. And with Wesley living in the
56:06home at the time of Victoria's
56:07disappearance, it would have been
56:09incredibly risky for Jim to carry out a
56:11murder knowing his [music] son could
56:13return at any moment. Still, prosecutors
56:16believe they have established a strong
56:18enough motive. And after 24 hours of
56:20deliberation, the jury reaches its
56:23verdict. Jim is found guilty of
56:25firstdegree murder while Kathy is found
56:28guilty of obstruction. But the case
56:30would take one final devastating turn.
56:34On the day Kathy is scheduled to be
56:36sentenced, authorities discover that she
56:38had taken her own life. She leaves
56:41behind a 15-page note [music] and a
56:43locked safe containing documents
56:45connected to the case. The first nine
56:47pages contain instructions for caring
56:50for her animals and property, while
56:51pages 10 through 15 remain redacted. In
56:552021, James Provitz is sentenced to life
56:58in prison without the possibility of
57:00parole. As for Wesley, investigators
57:03ultimately find no evidence connecting
57:06him to his mother's disappearance, and
57:08his alibi [music] is confirmed.
57:09Victoria's body remains missing to this
57:12day.

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