Constitution 101 | Lecture 2 — Transcript
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- 0:08[Music]
- 0:34hi I'm dr. Thomas West Hillsdale College
- 0:38teaching the politics department I'm a
- 0:40professor of politics and my talk today
- 0:44is going to be on natural rights in the
- 0:46American Revolution and the topic is a
- 0:50good one because it indicates two things
- 0:53one is a theory a theoretical concept
- 0:56natural rights and the other is a
- 0:59historical event rooted in a time and
- 1:01place the American Revolution so in
- 1:04order to understand our founding it's
- 1:06important I think to grasp the
- 1:08connection between theory and practice
- 1:11between the ideas that motivated or that
- 1:16helped the founders to structure their
- 1:18activities and actions against Britain
- 1:20at the same time to understand what the
- 1:23practical fight was all about with the
- 1:26British that led to American
- 1:27independence in the period leading up to
- 1:31the revolution and independence in 1776
- 1:36people in the colonies had been pretty
- 1:41much left alone by the British with some
- 1:43exceptions there was a long period in
- 1:46which there was a kind of uneasy truce
- 1:48you might say between the colonial
- 1:51legislature is elected by the colonists
- 1:54and the royal governor sent over from
- 1:57the king and from Britain and there was
- 1:59there was a rivalry there the colonial
- 2:02legislatures tended to get their way
- 2:04much to the chagrin often of the British
- 2:06officials but and that was an
- 2:09arrangement that lasted for quite a
- 2:11while but then there was the French and
- 2:13Indian War which changed everything that
- 2:16war concluded in 1763 with Treaty of
- 2:20peace that then led both sides both the
- 2:23British and the Americans to think very
- 2:25differently about their relationship
- 2:26with each other from the British side
- 2:29they became increasingly impatient with
- 2:33the colonists now that there was no
- 2:35longer the French threat on the northern
- 2:37border to worry about they needed the
- 2:40colonists to fight the French which had
- 2:42been a theme throughout the 18th century
- 2:44but now
- 2:45French were defeated they're gone as a
- 2:47serious power in North America and it's
- 2:50up to venit became the British the
- 2:52British Empire but that meant that they
- 2:56didn't the British government didn't
- 2:58have to treat the colonists so politely
- 2:59and they also pointed out you the
- 3:02colonists we've been defending you all
- 3:04this time and you haven't been paying
- 3:05taxes or at least not very many taxes so
- 3:08we're going to do something about that
- 3:09I'm going to start taxing you and we're
- 3:11also gonna start making it clear to you
- 3:13that you're part of the Empire and you
- 3:15have to obey us on the colonial side of
- 3:18course Americans attitude was now that
- 3:21the French threat is gone we don't need
- 3:22the British as much so all that time
- 3:25when the British were saying you know
- 3:27you need us and I didn't need the
- 3:29colonists didn't need the British forces
- 3:31to with respect to the French now it was
- 3:34what's let's go off on her own and least
- 3:37or at least let's not be pressed and
- 3:39pushed around by the British there was
- 3:41not an immediate desire for independence
- 3:42in 1763 but the attitude of the
- 3:46Americans was let's not let the British
- 3:49push us around anymore let's stick to
- 3:52our own way of doing things and stand
- 3:54make the British acknowledge that that
- 3:57led to the crisis that started in the
- 3:591760s 70s leading up to the actual
- 4:03declaration of independence in 1776 what
- 4:06the colonists were doing throughout this
- 4:08period is not just reacting in a
- 4:11visceral way to their desire to be free
- 4:14but they also had at their pant at hand
- 4:18ready at hand a doctrine of natural
- 4:20rights and natural law which had been
- 4:22around the colonies for quite a while
- 4:24these ideas had come into the colonies
- 4:28sometime around 1710 or shortly
- 4:30thereafter became widely known and
- 4:34discussed in the colonies throughout
- 4:36that period between 1710 and the end of
- 4:39the French and Indian War 50 years later
- 4:42and the Americans therefore were able to
- 4:46say look it's not just a matter of our
- 4:48not deserve our wish to not be dominated
- 4:51by you people you British it's also we
- 4:55have a right to be free we have a right
- 4:57to self-government
- 4:58and the British of course in response
- 5:02said no you don't you're part of the
- 5:04Empire you have to obey the Parliament
- 5:06and that's the store that's the end of
- 5:08it we might compromise me I'd let you
- 5:10have a little freedom but that was the
- 5:12gist of what happened so what the appeal
- 5:15to the natural rights doctrine which
- 5:17began in earnest in the 1760s was was an
- 5:22appeal to a doctrine that is claim that
- 5:25claims to be universally true for all
- 5:27human beings everywhere and that's what
- 5:29gave the revolution its peculiar flavor
- 5:31of not just being a local quarrel
- 5:33between this and that group but a
- 5:36quarrel that was made in the name of the
- 5:38universal principles of natural law and
- 5:41natural rights of something that is true
- 5:42now and forever and will always be true
- 5:45about human relationships that teaching
- 5:48of the of the natural law is stated all
- 5:52over the place in founding era documents
- 5:54you could find in the Declaration of
- 5:56Independence most famously you see it in
- 6:00state after state each gate states that
- 6:04put together constitutions most of them
- 6:06had Bills of Rights had statements of
- 6:08principle these doctrines were widely
- 6:12held you hear occasionally some people
- 6:15will say well that was just Jefferson's
- 6:17idea and he was influenced by the French
- 6:19that's ridiculous that these ideas had
- 6:21been around the colonies for 60 years by
- 6:25that time and widely accepted and known
- 6:27and became officially part of the record
- 6:30in that in the revolution and what you
- 6:33find in these state constitutions is
- 6:36various restatements of the same ideas
- 6:39that are in the Declaration of
- 6:40Independence and they help to clarify so
- 6:43in the Declaration you have all men are
- 6:44created equal and that has led lots of
- 6:47people to make all kinds of assumptions
- 6:49about men and women about blacks and
- 6:53whites about and so on it's about it's
- 6:56not about human equality in the sense of
- 6:58we're all the same it's about human
- 7:01equality in the sense of no one has the
- 7:03right to dominate anybody else without
- 7:05their consent the founders had a way of
- 7:08they different formulations of this
- 7:12for example Virginia all men are by
- 7:14nature equally free and independent or
- 7:17Massachusetts all men are born free and
- 7:20equal these were different versions of
- 7:22the same thought that no one has the
- 7:25right to rule another that there is a
- 7:26and then that was also put in moral
- 7:29language in terms of Rights and natural
- 7:31law so the right the natural right idea
- 7:34arises from the notion that not only are
- 7:36we born equal in the sense nobody's
- 7:38ruling we also have a right a moral
- 7:40claim that we can make on behalf of that
- 7:43state of we do bar we do deserve to be
- 7:46equal in free and equally free and from
- 7:50that then comes the idea of a natural
- 7:52right to Liberty from which in the
- 7:54founders minds all the other rights in
- 7:57it in one way or another can be derived
- 7:59once you're if you have a right to be
- 8:01free not to be ruled by another means
- 8:03that means a right not to be assaulted
- 8:05not to be killed by another that's the
- 8:06right to life if you have the right to
- 8:09be free to use your own mind and your
- 8:11own body to acquire property that means
- 8:14you have a right to quiet to property if
- 8:16you have a right not to be dominated in
- 8:19the way you worship God that's a
- 8:21religious freedom right the basic idea
- 8:23is all men are born free in the sense
- 8:26that everybody who is part of a
- 8:28government ought to have given that
- 8:31person is here her consent to be part of
- 8:33that government equality then can be
- 8:36understood to be a moral claim in two
- 8:38ways one is it's about the moral rights
- 8:40and obligations of human beings to each
- 8:43other and as I said just now their basic
- 8:47right right to Liberty and all the other
- 8:48rights that follow from it and the other
- 8:50is a claim about the rights rule who has
- 8:53the right to rule born equally free and
- 8:54independent means not born into a slave
- 8:58relationship or subordinate relationship
- 9:01understand of course when they talked
- 9:04about this they didn't mean children
- 9:06they always understood children are
- 9:07under the temporary control or wardship
- 9:09of their parents but that was always
- 9:12understood to be a warship that was a
- 9:14preparation for freedom once the
- 9:16children grow up there was no idea of
- 9:19patriarchy throughout life in the
- 9:21founders conception once you've reached
- 9:24the age of majority let's say 21
- 9:25typically in American law at that time
- 9:27you're free free of your parents and
- 9:31from then on you are free you are free
- 9:34of everything unless it's the laws that
- 9:36you've given your consent to obey and
- 9:38it's that consent
- 9:40it's that giving of consent collectively
- 9:43that is what creates a nation creates a
- 9:46people that is then to be governed by a
- 9:49particular form of government founders
- 9:52use the term social compact to mean the
- 9:56agreement we all make with each other
- 9:58fellow citizens make with each other to
- 10:01form a government and to accept the
- 10:03rules made by that government and once
- 10:07you're in the social compact you then
- 10:09become an exclusive body apart from the
- 10:11rest of humanity and they the government
- 10:15you're creating is for you you your
- 10:17fellow citizens and protection of you
- 10:20and your rights it's only for the prytt
- 10:22not for the protection of the rest of
- 10:23mankind and their rights so what does it
- 10:29mean to be free and equal in a daily
- 10:31day-to-day situation I like to use the
- 10:33example of a job when you apply for a
- 10:35job you are saying to the employer
- 10:40I have something valuable to offer you
- 10:43my labor and if you offer me something
- 10:47valuable let's say pay a salary we'll
- 10:51make an agreement and the agreement is
- 10:53an agreement between equals I agree to
- 10:55be ruled by you insofar as I'm employed
- 10:58by you you agree to pay me and it's a
- 11:02relationship of subordination it's not a
- 11:06relationship with permanent
- 11:07subordination that would be slavery
- 11:09it's an employment contract always has
- 11:11limits beyond which the employer is not
- 11:13allowed to go in order to protect the
- 11:16life liberty and property of the
- 11:18employee but that's one example a simple
- 11:21example of how equality works in
- 11:23practical life and day to day life now
- 11:26the idea of consent of the governed is
- 11:30fundamental to the founding and in fact
- 11:32the Revolution itself was primarily
- 11:34fought in the name of consent because it
- 11:38was the the issue was can
- 11:39British imposed taxes upon our people
- 11:42without the consent of our own locally
- 11:45elected legislative bodies the answer
- 11:47was no they can't and that has to be at
- 11:52contacts as in any form of government
- 11:54intrusion on our life liberty or
- 11:56property has to be with the agreement of
- 11:58the people who live under that
- 12:00government and that has to be expressed
- 12:02through elected legislatures or through
- 12:06democracy where people get together in
- 12:08person as saying in New York New England
- 12:11Township
- 12:11now that consent what did that actually
- 12:13mean in practice in terms of structure
- 12:15and government do we want to have a
- 12:18legislative body is it a good idea to
- 12:20have an executive what about judging
- 12:23what about courts all of that had to be
- 12:26worked out and thrashed out and that was
- 12:28an area where a lot of the disagreements
- 12:30in the founding came forward it was a
- 12:33general agreement on consent in the form
- 12:34of elections general agreement that
- 12:37government needed to have some kind of
- 12:38an executive for prosecutions for
- 12:40directing the Armed Forces for dealing
- 12:44with sudden problems like an uprising
- 12:46you know organizing the militia but
- 12:49basically there was agreement the
- 12:52disagreements in terms of structure of
- 12:54government I'm not going to go into
- 12:57today that's going to be the topic of
- 12:59the next couple of talks in this series
- 13:02what I'm going to focus on today is the
- 13:05subject of what government is supposed
- 13:08to do
- 13:08once it's conformed the Declaration of
- 13:11Independence has a nice formulation to
- 13:14secure these rights governments are
- 13:17instituted among men to secure these
- 13:20rights what does that mean what does
- 13:23security of Rights mean you can also
- 13:26look at the state constitutions and say
- 13:29how did they describe the purpose of
- 13:32government was it the same was it
- 13:34security of Rights and the answer is
- 13:36well they used sometimes they often they
- 13:38use different language one of the terms
- 13:40that was often used as the to explain
- 13:42the purpose of government is the word
- 13:44protection protection is what the
- 13:50government is supposed to do
- 13:53meaning protection against harm to your
- 13:57own life liberty and property and that
- 13:59protection is to vest two sides it's the
- 14:05side of the national government against
- 14:07against the outsiders potential foreign
- 14:10attack and protection against your
- 14:13fellow citizens who might harm you in
- 14:16the in arm your life labor to your
- 14:18property because of their because
- 14:20they're misbehaving so protection
- 14:25there's a let me just give you an
- 14:27example from the Virginia Declaration of
- 14:28Rights government ought to be instituted
- 14:30for the common benefit protection and
- 14:33security of the people nation or
- 14:35community so that's what to secure these
- 14:38rights means protection benefit of
- 14:41protection and security of the peak of
- 14:42the people nation or community again the
- 14:45emphasis is not on is on it's on our
- 14:47people the government is not protecting
- 14:50people in Mexico or Canada or elsewhere
- 14:53in the world that's a subject that is
- 14:55often misunderstood today there's an
- 14:57assumption today that if there's human
- 14:58rights are universal it's the job of
- 15:00every government in the world to protect
- 15:01got rights all over the world the
- 15:03founders rejected that idea completely
- 15:05and totally another example from the New
- 15:10Jersey Constitution preamble the King of
- 15:13Great Britain has refused protection to
- 15:16the good people of these colonies
- 15:17therefore we have a right to revolution
- 15:20refused protection that was the one word
- 15:23you're not protecting us against injury
- 15:26and in fact as New Jersey went on to say
- 15:27is you're attacking us you're harming us
- 15:30you're harming our people you're putting
- 15:32soldiers here and shooting at us so then
- 15:36the question becomes alright what
- 15:38policies the government have to adopt in
- 15:40order to do this protecting of the
- 15:42people so the OP first point of course
- 15:48is protecting the fur outs ejectment
- 15:50projection against outsiders my means of
- 15:52armed forces by means of what we call
- 15:56foreign policy diplomacy statecraft
- 16:01negotiation perhaps making alliances but
- 16:03in the end it comes down to do you have
- 16:06sold
- 16:06in the field who can physically defeat a
- 16:09potential or an actual threat to the
- 16:13life liberty and property of American
- 16:14citizens so this first part of
- 16:18governments protection protection or
- 16:20protective duty is about armed forces
- 16:24and that of course does include border
- 16:27enforcement one of the points of having
- 16:30a nation of your own is it's for the
- 16:32people who live here anyone who wants to
- 16:34come here has to ask permission and
- 16:36permission is not automatic it's given
- 16:38again by consent of the governed by the
- 16:40consent of the people who live here the
- 16:44idea of a universal right to immigrate
- 16:46to a nation that says I don't want you
- 16:48here
- 16:48founders would have said no that's
- 16:50that's immoral that's a violation of the
- 16:53moral principle that all men are created
- 16:55equal and that we therefore who have
- 16:57created our own government have a moral
- 16:59right to say who will be our future
- 17:02fellow citizens that's our duty and our
- 17:05right not someone elses the second part
- 17:09of protection and what government has to
- 17:11do to protect is is to create laws
- 17:16against crimes that's the most urgent
- 17:19part of the of the domestic politics
- 17:21side of the founders argument and so one
- 17:25of the topics that came up early on in
- 17:27America in during the Revolution and in
- 17:31its aftermath was to create
- 17:34constitutions and laws to protect
- 17:37citizens criminal laws for example
- 17:41Jefferson had a great quote on that in
- 17:43his he put together a proposed revision
- 17:46of the laws of the state of Virginia in
- 17:501778 in which he states that it's
- 17:56precisely because vicious and immoral
- 17:59men who try to take away the rights of
- 18:02other people that we have criminal law
- 18:04and without criminal law he said the
- 18:06purpose of society would not be achieved
- 18:09by which he meant protection and
- 18:11security of life liberty and property so
- 18:13if you ask people today sometimes I'll
- 18:15ask my students how does the government
- 18:16secure our rights
- 18:18they'll often give you a statement like
- 18:20well that's what the Supreme Court is
- 18:22for and they have rules against
- 18:24discrimination and so on well the
- 18:27founders would say no government
- 18:30protects your rights not just through
- 18:32the judiciary but through all three
- 18:33branches of government you have to have
- 18:37a legislature to make laws you have to
- 18:40have an executive to carry out arrests
- 18:42and prosecutions and punishments and a
- 18:46judiciary to decide is this person who's
- 18:49accused by the government
- 18:51truly guilty or not guilty you need all
- 18:54three branches that's what makes
- 18:56government protection possible through
- 18:59criminal law and and that's what we see
- 19:03you know occasionally their TV shows
- 19:04based on this idea of you know trials
- 19:06people prosecute that's how it's
- 19:09supposed to work one of the
- 19:11characteristic features of government
- 19:13today in America is the D prioritization
- 19:17of criminal law enforcement not
- 19:22everywhere but especially in major
- 19:23cities of America today the ability of
- 19:28police and prosecutors to to find
- 19:33criminals prosecute them successfully
- 19:35and have them punished is minimal there
- 19:38are some cities in which the police if
- 19:42they're called out on a theft if you
- 19:44call the police inside somebody stole
- 19:45something out of my house they'll go
- 19:47okay well fill out a report for you you
- 19:49can take it to the insurance company but
- 19:51no we're not gonna look into it
- 19:53founding fathers would say you guys
- 19:55don't get what government is for it's
- 19:57for protection and protection means you
- 19:59have to deter crime by making it clear
- 20:02to people who commit crimes they're
- 20:04gonna pay a penalty so you know figure
- 20:08out why you know what what's wrong what
- 20:10happened why why do our priorities
- 20:12somehow go somewhere else and if you ask
- 20:14Police Department's today or prosecuting
- 20:16RIT they'll say well we don't have a
- 20:18budget for it
- 20:19which means something has gone wrong at
- 20:21the level of the state legislature or at
- 20:23the level of city government that we're
- 20:25got money is being spent on something
- 20:28less than there's a lower priority
- 20:31than actual protection of the lives and
- 20:35properties of citizens that's a problem
- 20:37from the point of view of the founders
- 20:38but it is the way we do government today
- 20:42one could sum up the founders conception
- 20:46of law enforcement that was developed
- 20:48during the revolution in in to fray in
- 20:51two phrases equal protection of the laws
- 20:53and due process of law equal protection
- 20:58meaning and the founders view equal
- 20:59protection meant when there's there's
- 21:02going to be a rule a general rule that
- 21:04applies to everybody it will define what
- 21:07crimes are and will say what the
- 21:08penalties are going to be and
- 21:09government's duty is to provide equal
- 21:12protection so no matter how wealthy the
- 21:15perpetrator might be what race he might
- 21:17be or the sex of the person committing
- 21:19the crime government has the same
- 21:22obligation to prosecute and punish in
- 21:24the same way anyone who does that who
- 21:26commits the crime that's a that's
- 21:31fundamental but precisely because
- 21:34government is so strong and powerful
- 21:36when it's engaging in this activity of
- 21:38protecting it also needs to follow
- 21:41procedures called due process of law
- 21:43meaning you don't just take somebody and
- 21:47punish them without giving them a chance
- 21:49to defend themselves so government has
- 21:51to prove its case in theory at least in
- 21:53court for any significant punishment to
- 21:56take place for person to be deprived of
- 21:59liberty or property or money trial a
- 22:04right to defend the right to call
- 22:06witnesses a right to speak to about to a
- 22:09cross examine to deal with whatever you
- 22:14need to do bring forward whatever you
- 22:16need to bring forward in order to show
- 22:18if you can I didn't do that I wasn't I'm
- 22:21not guilty
- 22:23those two concepts equal protection of
- 22:26the law and due process of law
- 22:27were later embodied in Fourteenth
- 22:29Amendment which was meant to take the
- 22:32basic founders political theory of what
- 22:34government supposed to do that was
- 22:36developed during the American Revolution
- 22:37and then apply it to the States each
- 22:41state was from then on obliged by the
- 22:43federal cost
- 22:44tuition to provide the same protection
- 22:48of the laws and of the new process of
- 22:52law that that was already required and
- 22:56expected at the federal level in its own
- 22:58law enforcement jurisdiction one of the
- 23:00early debates in America was over do we
- 23:03need a federal government and if so what
- 23:06should be its scope and its powers the
- 23:10founders came up with a very simple way
- 23:12of dividing up that labor the federal
- 23:15government was going to be primarily
- 23:16responsible for foreign policy the state
- 23:19governments for domestic policy with
- 23:22some exceptions but basically the
- 23:25federal government didn't really have a
- 23:27whole lot to do in early American
- 23:28history other than foreign policy now
- 23:32there were some exceptions to that the
- 23:34state's government federal government
- 23:36was given some powers to regulate
- 23:37commerce to basically to maintain a
- 23:41national free market and so on but that
- 23:44those were general exceptions generally
- 23:46the states handled things having to do
- 23:47with property law commerce and contracts
- 23:53things of that kind and I'll be talking
- 23:56about that and a talk I give later on in
- 23:58the series today when we teach American
- 24:05government in college we often tend to
- 24:09focus on the national government that's
- 24:12of course the exciting part the big you
- 24:14know the one that everyone notices and
- 24:16of course today the feds have become so
- 24:19important we tend to forget the role of
- 24:21the states which still remains quite
- 24:23powerful even today I believe I believe
- 24:27the percentage of court cases that are
- 24:30handled at the federal and versus the
- 24:32state level is about that's over ninety
- 24:34percent still our state court cases so
- 24:36most law most law enforcement most legal
- 24:39issues come up not at the federal level
- 24:42at all and that is how they designed it
- 24:46and to that extent it still there's to
- 24:48some extent that same division of labor
- 24:50still prevails
- 24:52one of the things that John Quincy Adams
- 24:55pointed out in a famous speech he gave
- 24:58on July fourth eighteen eighteen twenty
- 25:01one was that they you know that the
- 25:05Revolution the American Revolution had
- 25:07its heroes and of course what everyone
- 25:10tends to think of things like George
- 25:12Washington the others great generals of
- 25:14that period the the soldiers the people
- 25:19who sacrifice their lives to create an
- 25:21independent nation and that's truth Adam
- 25:24says that was true but what he adds to
- 25:27that is he says you know there are other
- 25:30people who were also heroes of the
- 25:32American Revolution and we don't tend to
- 25:34acknowledge that those are the people he
- 25:36said who figured out how to write the
- 25:38constitutions and the laws state and
- 25:41federal that have given us our Liberty
- 25:44and enable us to sustain that Liberty
- 25:46they said they're heroes too because
- 25:48that's not easy to do I want to conclude
- 25:51this talk by asking the question what
- 25:53then was America meant to be its time of
- 25:56the founding and I want to emphasize
- 25:59again ideas are not people the ideas of
- 26:03the American Revolution were indeed
- 26:04unique to the American Revolution but
- 26:06those ideas are meant to be universal
- 26:08for all mankind but it was a particular
- 26:12people it was these people over in
- 26:14America the British settlers other
- 26:17Europeans were here predominantly
- 26:19Europeans who made the nation what it
- 26:22was and they were not randomly assembled
- 26:26from all around the world one of the
- 26:29things the founders were very conscious
- 26:30of is how difficult it is to establish
- 26:33and sustain a political regime there's a
- 26:36it's going to be a free regime a free a
- 26:38freedom regime of freedom John J in
- 26:43Federalist to points out that a that
- 26:46Americans really do belong together
- 26:49not just because they held the same
- 26:51political principles and he does mention
- 26:52that but also because they are quote a
- 26:55people descended from the same ancestors
- 26:58speaking the same language professing
- 27:01the same religion attached to the same
- 27:03principles of government very similar
- 27:06in their manners and customs and Jays
- 27:11point partly was if it hadn't been for
- 27:13all those things we already had in
- 27:15common prior to forming the Union we
- 27:18might not have been able to do it
- 27:21liberty is only possible to be
- 27:23established in the founders minds if the
- 27:26people are capable of supporting Liberty
- 27:28and living according to the requirements
- 27:31of Liberty
- 27:32there are many cultures in the world
- 27:34today and there were then to where the
- 27:37people who live in these places don't
- 27:39like freedom and to have no experience
- 27:41of freedom the founders in fact doubted
- 27:44openly whether places like Latin America
- 27:47or even some places in Europe could ever
- 27:49maintain a regime of political freedom
- 27:52natural rights belong to everyone in the
- 27:55founders view but it you have the right
- 28:00obviously the right to create a free
- 28:03country but you don't always have the
- 28:04ability to it depends on who lives there
- 28:06and what their attitudes are and how
- 28:08good their leadership is in some cases
- 28:15the founders pointed out you can't have
- 28:18consent of the governed if you're going
- 28:20to have any kind of protection of the
- 28:21rights of the individual there was a
- 28:24revolution in Haiti that took place
- 28:26during the 1790s and people the founding
- 28:29was saying they're not going to be able
- 28:31to have a free government there they're
- 28:32not gonna have election you can't have
- 28:34an elective government in Haiti probably
- 28:35a military despotisms the best they're
- 28:37going to do that was the quote from
- 28:40Hamilton and Jefferson held the same
- 28:43view when in get asked about Latin
- 28:45America in the eighteen 1820s he said
- 28:47look this is place it's gonna be really
- 28:49difficult to form any kind of solid
- 28:54lasting free government there I hope
- 28:57they can do it he said they ought to
- 28:58they deserve it but it's going to be
- 29:00tough the founders had answers as to how
- 29:04to keep the population morally capable
- 29:07of being free they didn't think it would
- 29:10work everywhere but they did think it
- 29:12would work here
- 29:13I'll talk about that later in the series
- 29:17thank you
- 29:22you
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