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0:00Good morning.
0:01And thank you for being here today. Over
0:03the past several years, Canadians have
0:05experienced the pandemic in very
0:07different ways. Many families lost loved
0:09ones to COVID-19.
0:11Many frontline healthcare workers and
0:14first responders also carried an
0:15enormous burden throughout the pandemic.
0:18They showed up every day
0:19often under incredibly difficult
0:21circumstances to care for Canadians and
0:23keep our community safe.
0:25I want to take a moment to recognize
0:27them and thank them for their service,
0:29for their sacrifice, and for the work
0:31they can continue to do every single
0:34day. Over the past several months, we've
0:36been asking Canadians who experienced
0:38serious adverse events following
0:40COVID-19 vaccination to come forward and
0:43share their stories.
0:44The response has been overwhelming.
0:47More than 1,000 people have now applied
0:50online asking for the opportunity to
0:52have their voices heard. Think about
0:54that for one moment.
0:57More than 1,000 Canadians have stepped
1:00forward, many after years of struggling
1:02with their health, struggling to get
1:04answers, and struggling to navigate a
1:06system they believe was supposed to help
1:08them.
1:09Unfortunately, we simply cannot hear
1:11from everyone during these hearings. In
1:13September, we expect to hear directly
1:15from approximately 15 vaccine injured
1:18Canadians, 50 vaccine injured Canadians.
1:21But I want to make something very clear.
1:23The 50 people who testify are not the
1:25only stories that matter.
1:28They represent more than the thousand
1:29people that have contacted us and the
1:32many, many more Canadians across the
1:34country who have never come forward.
1:36These are not statistics.
1:39They are mothers and fathers, sons and
1:41daughters, friends and neighbors. They
1:44are MPs,
1:46MP staff, and senators.
1:49They are in the media. They are doctors.
1:51They are literally in every walk of
1:53life.
1:55We're also going to hear from Crystal,
1:57the sister of Scott Gory.
1:59>> [clears throat]
1:59>> Scott was well known here in Parliament
2:01Hill, where he served as a dedicated
2:03staff member to several members of
2:06Parliament.
2:07Sadly, Scott's family
2:09said goodbye to him in July.
2:12He He leaves behind his wife and two
2:14young children. Scott passed away from
2:17myocarditis. Before he died, Scott told
2:20his sister that he wanted his story to
2:22be told. He wanted people to know what
2:25he had experienced and what he and his
2:27family had gone through. Scott is no
2:29longer here to tell that story.
2:31So, his sister Crystal will honor her
2:33brother's request and tell it for him.
2:36That is what these hearings are about.
2:39Giving a voice to people who have asked
2:40to be heard, including those who are no
2:42longer able to speak for themselves. And
2:45they deserve to be treated with dignity,
2:47respect, and compassion.
2:50One issue we want to intend to examine
2:51closely is Canada's vaccine injury
2:54support program. The program was created
2:56to promote provide financial support to
2:58people who experienced a serious and
3:00permanent injury following vaccination.
3:03On paper, that sounds straightforward.
3:05But, what we've heard from applicants is
3:07anything but straightforward. We have
3:09heard stories of people waiting months,
3:11and in some cases for years, for
3:13answers. People being asked repeatedly
3:15to submit medical information. People
3:18being asked to resend documents they say
3:19they already provided. People being told
3:22that information or files could not be
3:23located. People struggling to determine
3:26the status of their claims, and people
3:28say they simply cannot get meaningful
3:30answers about what is happening with
3:31their case. For someone already dealing
3:33with a serious health issue, navigating
3:36a complicated bureaucracy should not
3:38become another burden they have to
3:39carry.
3:40Federal figures show that among the
3:42thousands of adverse events that have
3:43been reported, only a small number of
3:46people have ultimately received
3:47compensation through the vaccine injury
3:49support program. That raises legitimate
3:52questions. Why does the process take so
3:54long? Why are applicants having so much
3:56difficulty accessing the program? And
3:59why are people being asked repeatedly
4:01for this information?
4:02Why are we hearing allegations of
4:04missing documents and lost files? And
4:06perhaps most importantly, is the program
4:08actually delivering the timely support
4:10the vaccine injured Canadians were
4:11promised? These are reasonable questions
4:14and Canadians deserve reasonable
4:15answers. This should not be
4:17controversial.
4:19You can believe that vaccines played an
4:20important role during the pandemic and
4:22still believe that people who
4:24experienced serious adverse events
4:26deserve help. You can support
4:28vaccination and you can still demand
4:29accountability from the program
4:31established specifically to compensate
4:34those who are seriously injured. These
4:36positions These positions are not
4:38contradictory. They are what compassion,
4:40responsibility, public policy should
4:42look like. The purpose of these hearings
4:44is not to tell witnesses what happened
4:46to them. It's to allow them to tell us.
4:49For too long,
4:50many of these Canadians believe their
4:52experiences have been dismissed,
4:54minimized, or simply ignored.
4:56Vaccine injured Canadians have told us
4:58they feel abandoned. Our job is to
5:00listen. And that's exactly what we
5:02intend to do. When these hearings begin
5:04in September, Canadians will hear
5:06directly from vaccine injured
5:07individuals. They will also hear from
5:09some individuals who provide some
5:11important context to help us better
5:13understand what these Canadians have
5:15experienced. Canadians will hear about
5:17the vaccine injury support program, the
5:19experience of people that have attempted
5:21to navigate it. More than a thousand
5:23Canadians have already raised their
5:24hands and said, "I want my story heard."
5:27We may only have time to hear 50 of them
5:29during these hearings, but every one of
5:31those thousand voices matter. Their
5:33experience matters. Their families
5:35matter and their stories matter.
5:37Canadians should never be afraid to tell
5:38their stories and their government
5:40should never be afraid to listen. If you
5:42or someone you know has a story to speak
5:45up, contact your MP, ask them to
5:47participate in the Allison inquiry
5:49September 8th to 11th in Ottawa. Watch
5:52it. Share it. Encourage others to
5:55listen.
5:56Their stories matter. Their lives
5:58matter. And they deserve to be heard.
6:02Now I want to turn it over to Miriam who
6:03is one of our volunteers.
6:05Her day Her day job is a lawyer and
6:08she'll be helping our French-speaking
6:09witnesses who are COVID-19 vaccine
6:12injured from Quebec. As we will be
6:14broadcasting the full inquiry with
6:16French translation. Thank you. Over to
6:18Miriam.
6:21>> Thank you, Dean.
6:24Bonjour à tous.
6:26Mon nom est Miriam Bourmier.
6:28J'agis comme avocate bénévole pour
6:30l'enquête Allison.
6:32Je représente les blessés vaccinés du
6:34Québec qui témoigneront.
6:37Aujourd'hui, je m'adresse à tous les
6:39francophones du Canada, y compris les
6:41Québécois,
6:42pour vous dire que cette enquête est
6:44aussi la vôtre. Elle est ouverte à tous
6:47les Canadiens dans les deux langues
6:49officielles et votre voix y a toute sa
6:52place.
6:54J'aimerais [snorts] vous transmettre mon
6:56message à travers une lettre que j'ai
6:58écrite à ma fille.
7:00Elle a 8 ans.
7:02Nous faisons du karaté ensemble.
7:04Au karaté, nous remercions notre
7:07adversaire de nous rendre meilleurs.
7:10Ma fille
7:11est mon inspiration
7:13à devenir meilleure.
7:17Ma fille,
7:20on m'a fait l'honneur de me permettre de
7:22communiquer un message important lors
7:25d'une conférence de presse au sujet de
7:27l'enquête Allison.
7:29J'ai pensé à toi pour transmettre ce que
7:32je veux dire parce que tu me rends
7:35meilleure
7:36chaque jour comme au karaté.
7:40Qu'est-ce que l'enquête ?
7:43C'est une enquête non partisane
9:37>> They could do it. They could do it.
9:41They could do it.
9:43They could do it.
9:45They could do it.
9:48They could
9:51They could do it.
9:53They could
9:57They could
10:01They could
10:03They could
10:06They could do it. They could do it.
10:09They could
10:11They could
10:15They could do it. They could do it.
10:20They could
10:23They could
10:28They could
10:31They could
10:32They could do it.
10:33They could do it.
10:35They could do it.
10:37They could
10:40They could
10:46They could do it. They could do it.
10:51They could
10:55They could do it.
10:58They could do
11:02They could
11:06They could
11:10They could do it.
11:12They could do it.
11:16They could
11:22They could do it.
11:23They could do it.
11:28They could
11:31They could
11:33They could do
11:37signe
11:39maman
11:41Vous avez tous dans votre vie quelqu'un
11:44qui vous inspire à devenir meilleur.
11:48comme au karaté nous devenons meilleur
11:51lorsque nous acceptons de voir et de
11:54reconnaître même ce qui est difficile.
11:57C'était en cas était une occasion
11:59formidable de devenir meilleur.
12:02de faire preuve de courage, de faire
12:04preuve de force, de solidarité
12:08de compassion, de résilience.
12:12Au blessé vaccino, je vous invite à
12:14faire preuve de courage, de force et de
12:17résilience en vous inscrivant pour
12:18témoigner ou pour faire en sorte que
12:21votre histoire fasse partie de la
12:22preuve.
12:24Et je remercie ceux qui l'ont déjà fait.
12:28Au député sénateur Je vous invite à
12:31faire preuve de courage, de force, de
12:34solidarité et de compassion en siégeant
12:38aux audiences afin d'entendre les
12:39Canadiens que vous représentez et de
12:42rebâtir la confiance qui s'est perdue
12:44durant cette crise.
12:46Et je remercie ceux qui ont déjà accepté
12:49de venir.
12:51Au public Je vous invite à faire preuve
12:53de solidarité, de compassion et de
12:56résilience en faisant connaître cette
12:59enquête en y contribuant par vos dons,
13:02en contactant vos députés pour qu'ils y
13:03participent, en la suivant lorsqu'elle
13:06sera diffusée en direct du 8 au 11
13:09septembre prochain avec traduction
13:11simultanée en français.
13:13Vous êtes plus puissant que vous le
13:15pensez.
13:16Vous avez la puissance de devenir
13:18meilleur. D'être les modèles que vous
13:21souhaitez à être pour vos enfants et les
13:24générations à venir. De vous inscrire
13:27dans l'histoire et de léguer cet
13:52>> My name is Dr. Charles Hoff.
13:54I'm a family doctor from Southern
13:56British Columbia,
13:58where I've worked since since 1993. I
14:02serve mostly the Lekwungen First Nations
14:05people.
14:08When this When the vaccine rollout
14:11began,
14:12um I
14:14tried to alert my colleagues in the area
14:18to serious safety signals and was
14:21reprimanded by the authorities and told
14:23that I was not allowed to say anything
14:26negative about the vaccines.
14:29And so when I started to see very
14:31serious side effects in my own patients,
14:34um within within 3 months of the onset
14:38of the vaccine rollout, I had one
14:39patient who died suddenly after his
14:42shot. I had three people who were
14:44clearly going to be permanently disabled
14:46and a number number of others who were
14:48seriously injured. So I sent an open
14:51letter to the British Columbia public
14:53health officer, Dr. Bonnie Henry, to
14:56inform her of these safety signals. Her
14:59response was to refer this to her top
15:02vaccine safety specialist, Dr. Monica
15:04Naus, who assured me without any
15:07investigation of any of my patients that
15:09these were all coincidences.
15:12So I said, "Well, so
15:14I said to I've been family doctor to
15:16these people for 28 years. I know them
15:18very well and there is no other medical
15:20explanation for these terrible disabling
15:23symptoms that they have. She insisted
15:26that they were all coincidences and told
15:28me to just submit vaccine injury
15:31reports. So, I started submitting the
15:33reports and ultimately I submitted 14 in
15:36total and when every single one was
15:38denied as a coincidence by public
15:41health, I gave up.
15:43To this day, I have 36 vaccine injured
15:46patients. This is the just the COVID
15:48vaccines I'm talking about in my
15:50practice and I have a small one-man
15:52practice of approximately 1,100 people.
15:56So,
15:57So, the second response of the
16:00authorities to me trying to alert them
16:02about what was happening to my own
16:04patients was to send a warning letter.
16:06The College of Physicians and Surgeons
16:08sent a warning letter to every
16:10registered doctor warning them that if
16:12they spoke misinformation about COVID or
16:15the COVID vaccines that they would be
16:17investigated
16:19and if necessary disciplined.
16:21In other words, this was like a
16:24this was
16:25effectively a gag order to the entire
16:27medical community. These shots are safe
16:30and effective.
16:31Don't say anything to the contrary.
16:34You will be putting people at risk.
16:38So, ultimately I was charged with
16:39spreading misinformation.
16:42And
16:43and to cut a long story short, after
16:45they eventually dropped those charges
16:48um shortly before my trial because I had
16:51a brilliant lawyer and eight world-class
16:54um expert witnesses to defend me,
16:57the only reason that the college could
16:59give me for why they dropped the charges
17:01is that this process has already
17:04fulfilled its purpose of acting at as a
17:07deterrent to other doctors who may wish
17:10to spread misinformation.
17:14So,
17:17this gag this warning to doctors to not
17:20spread what they called misinformation,
17:23effectively created an illusion of
17:25consensus.
17:27Because the doctors were too afraid to
17:29speak up. All the doctors thought that I
17:31was there were very few doctors out
17:33there trying to raise the alarm of what
17:35was happening because it was clearly
17:37devastating. And I pointed out in my
17:40letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry that that at
17:42that point, which was uh 15 months into
17:46the pandemic, we had not had one single
17:48person in our town needing any health
17:51care for COVID at all.
17:53And as soon as the vaccine rollout
17:55started,
17:57then the real problem arose the real
18:00real
18:01um casualties emerged.
18:04And I pointed out to her that it was
18:06clear to me that the COVID injections
18:09were more dangerous than COVID.
18:12So,
18:13of course the the response of the
18:14authorities is, "Well, yes, it's
18:16unfortunate if a few people get hurt,
18:19but
18:20but the the but the the vaccines are
18:22saving millions of lives. They are
18:24keeping people safe." So, one needs to
18:26keep in mind that
18:28in the first year of the pandemic, there
18:30was absolutely no increase in the number
18:33of people dying
18:34in Canada. If we look at all-cause
18:36mortality in the first year of the
18:38pandemic, it was no different than what
18:41we would expect.
18:44The increase in all-cause mortality
18:46started after the vaccine rollout.
18:48In the United States, they have now had
18:51one approximately 1 million excess These
18:54are non-COVID excess deaths since the
18:57vaccine rollout.
18:59So, this idea that the vaccines have
19:01saved millions of lives is absurd.
19:04The number of people dying
19:06is higher than ever.
19:12The the open verse is so as I mentioned
19:15vaccine injury reporting in Canada
19:17appeared to be censored as I discovered
19:20when when literally of the
19:2214 reports that I submitted 100%
19:26rejection from public health.
19:28So we have to look to other nations
19:30since Canada had a censored vaccine
19:32injury reporting system.
19:34So the open verse in the United States
19:37record records 39,000 people who died
19:40unexpectedly within 28 days of their
19:43covid shot.
19:4439,000 and 72,000
19:47who were permanently disabled within 28
19:50days of their covid shot and they
19:52continue to tell us that this is safe
19:54and effective.
19:55There seems to be no ceiling on how many
19:58casualties there need to be before they
20:00shut this down.
20:02So I am part of this Allison inquiry
20:05advocating for the safety of my own
20:07patients and for all Canadians.
20:10Thank you.
20:16>> My name's Shawn Buckley and I'm a lawyer
20:18volunteering with the Allison inquiry
20:20and I've been involved in interviewing
20:22people that have been shortlisted. So we
20:24we have had over a thousand
20:26applications. We don't know how many
20:28applications will have by the time the
20:30inquiry starts. We're still inviting
20:33people to apply.
20:34Um clearly your chances of being
20:36selected is diminishing as we're filling
20:39slots, but we want your written story to
20:42be recorded. We want you we want you to
20:44at least be able to tell your story in
20:46writing and we understand we've been
20:48it's been communicated to us that some
20:50people are afraid to apply. Some people
20:53are traumatized by the the thought of
20:55applying. I'll get into that in a moment
20:57and we've had some people that have
20:59applied and we actually wanted to call
21:01as witnesses, but they're not willing to
21:04testify because they're afraid that
21:06they'll be alienated by family members.
21:08Some have communicated they're afraid
21:10that they'll lose benefits. So, there's
21:12a real fear out there.
21:14But, I want to share with you something
21:16special that has been happening.
21:19We don't have the funds to pay for these
21:21witnesses to attend. So, we're having to
21:24ask them,
21:26"Can you make your way to Ottawa?"
21:29And we're actually surprised because,
21:30you know, we're interviewing these
21:32people. We're seeing their their written
21:34stories. Most of them have been
21:36absolutely devastated because they're
21:38disabled. They can't work. Their
21:40finances
21:41are in absolute ruins. But, they're
21:44finding a way. And there's one of them
21:46named Michael who lives in a a care
21:49facility because he's in a wheelchair.
21:51He's largely paralyzed. Has some some
21:53ability to uh limited mobility in in his
21:56arm, so he can use a wheelchair
21:59joystick.
22:00And he actually crowdsourced, and he's
22:03getting a friend to fly out from
22:05Victoria. He lives in Ontario, and he's
22:07chartered a bus
22:08that is wheelchair friendly.
22:11And he sent us an email saying, "You
22:14know, if anyone else in a wheelchair
22:17needs a ride, like, we'll give them a
22:20ride."
22:21There was another witness that um
22:23actually is is not is kind of taking up
22:26that offer. We weren't sure if this
22:27witness would be able to attend. The
22:29witness said, "You know, I'm able to
22:32take a train, you know, with my support
22:34person to Ottawa.
22:37But, I can't find transportation from
22:39the train station cuz I I not only need
22:42a wheelchair accessible vehicle, but one
22:44that can take a a tall IV pole, also."
22:47Um it actually took that person a couple
22:49of weeks, and then Michael is going to
22:51be picking that person up in his bus um
22:54from the the hotel to the inquiry. And
22:58we're we're getting quite touched. You
23:00know, another witness said, "Well,
23:03you've got to be flexible on which day I
23:05testify cuz I have to schedule dialysis
23:08in Ottawa."
23:09And so, you have to work around my
23:10dialysis because this person has lost a
23:12kidney
23:14and is waiting for a a kidney
23:15transplant.
23:17We've been absolutely
23:19um touched by how much these people want
23:21to help each other, by how determined
23:25they are to show up.
23:28And this determination is because
23:31they have not been heard. When I'm
23:34interviewing these people, I I ask them,
23:37every single one of them, a question
23:38that they don't expect. I ask, "What is
23:42the most difficult part of this
23:44experience that you've had?"
23:46And I'm actually expecting them to say,
23:48"Well, it's becoming a becoming a
23:49quadriplegic. It's the chronic pain.
23:52It's the fact that I'm on dialysis 6
23:54days a week and I'm, you know, 33. Even
23:57if I get a transplant, that's only going
23:59to last 10 years. I know I'm facing
24:01dialysis again." I'm expecting that or
24:04the economic turmoil or the family
24:06turmoil.
24:07Um but [clears throat] most of them
24:08don't don't talk about that.
24:11When I ask them what the most
24:18difficult part is,
24:20most of them say the most difficult part
24:22has been dealing with the medical
24:23system.
24:26Uh they almost all of them use the term
24:28gaslit. Basically, what what they have
24:30is is they're they're having these these
24:34symptoms that is causing enormous
24:37suffering, disability, loss of function.
24:41And they're basically being told that
24:42it's in their head. Or, you know, it
24:45it's something else that it's not. Um
24:47and they're actually being treated like
24:49modern-day lepers. Um some of them, like
24:52the doctors right out of the gate, "This
24:53is vaccine injury." Everyone agrees it's
24:55vaccine injury, but they can't get
24:57specialists to help them.
25:00Because the doctor will refer to the
25:02specialist, and because the diagnosis is
25:05vaccine injury, it's almost like there's
25:06a fear.
25:07It's almost like they're they're
25:09untouchable. There's this unspeakable
25:10thing. We cannot
25:13We cannot
25:15say vaccine injury. We cannot treat
25:17vaccine injury. They're
25:19They're This has become the most
25:20difficult experience
25:23in their lives is dealing with the
25:25medical system and then also dealing
25:27with the vaccine injury support program.
25:30And let me just share with you kind of
25:33some of the unfairness of this program,
25:35which was actually we've learned by all
25:38of these thousands of stories coming to
25:40us because we ask in our questionnaire
25:43detailed questions about the vaccine
25:45injury program, and we interview these
25:46people. And so basically you start with
25:49a two-part process, which is just a form
25:52with two parts. So you fill in this form
25:55where you basically tell your story, and
25:58you really only tell it in a couple of
25:59paragraphs. Now, you don't know what the
26:02criteria is because the vaccine injury
26:04program doesn't say here are the
26:06criteria for us to determine what a
26:07vaccine injury is. And then you get your
26:10doctor or a doctor if a doctor's willing
26:12to fill in form two. Many of them have
26:14not been able to apply cuz they can't
26:16get a doctor willing to sign the form
26:19because of this unwillingness
26:21to participate in anything connected to
26:23vaccine injury.
26:25Well, then they get your medical
26:26records, and internally they they put
26:29together your file.
26:32It's analyzed or a report is done that
26:34you never see, and then a panel of three
26:39meet and decide things. You've never
26:40been interviewed. So, can you imagine,
26:43um you know, one lady I was speaking to,
26:45I think English is her second language.
26:48She's largely uh, largely quadriplegic,
26:51has some motion in her arms, chronic
26:54pain. I'm looking at her form, she it's
26:57like two paragraphs.
26:59This, her life depends on this. She's
27:02hoping to get compensation for pain and
27:04suffering. She's hoping to get cost of
27:06living expenses. She's hoping to get
27:08cost of care expenses. These are people
27:11that are in absolute financial crisis.
27:13They're depending on this program.
27:16They're never interviewed. So, if you
27:18don't tell your story right, you're not
27:20a doctor, you don't know what the
27:21criteria is, you don't know what's
27:23important to them, and they never get
27:26back to you and say, "Well, what about
27:27this? What about this? What about this?"
27:29And then a decision is made by three
27:31unnamed people. You're told who, you
27:33know, oh, it's a family doctor and a
27:35neurologist and a physiotherapist.
27:38But, you don't know who they are, you
27:40don't know if there's any bias, you
27:41don't know if they're actually qualified
27:44to analyze your file, and you get, you
27:46know, maybe a page and a half of
27:48reasons. So, it's a really frustrating
27:50process, and these people that are
27:52already traumatized by the medical
27:55system report that they're being
27:56traumatized again. So, this
27:59Alison inquiry, where the whole purpose
28:02of this is just to listen to their
28:04stories, we've come to understand this
28:06is so much more important than we
28:07initially felt. We knew that these
28:09people weren't being heard. We knew that
28:11we start we have to have a a
28:13conversation about this. That's what
28:15we're hoping will happen with the Alison
28:16inquiry. But, we didn't understand how
28:19deeply
28:20it's needed by these vaccine-injured
28:22persons who are literally desperate.
28:25And, you know, crowd fundraising to get
28:28wheelchair-accessible buses to get here.
28:31So, we feel that we're all volunteers.
28:34We'll feel very honored to be able to
28:37assist these people, and we truly are
28:39inviting you to participate by watching.
28:42You know, these people are desperate to
28:44share their stories with you, and we
28:46invite you to participate. We guarantee
28:49it will change your lives as it's
28:50changing ours listening to their
28:52stories.
28:56>> I am ready for questions.
28:58>> Hi, I'm Deanna Bertiallo, CTV News.
29:01So, I read through the details and the
29:04parameters of this inquiry, and my
29:06understanding is
29:08there's really no teeth to it. At most,
29:10you can maybe suggest questions to
29:12Parliament. I'm wondering, are you not
29:15then just asking these injured Canadians
29:17to retraumatize themselves without any
29:20real result or accountability? Like,
29:21what are you intending to get out of
29:23this initiative?
29:24>> Sure.
29:24First, thanks for coming. We appreciate
29:27having CTV in the room.
29:28You know, I think one of the biggest
29:30challenges right now is that people have
29:31not felt they have permission to
29:32actually talk about this. So, how do you
29:34move forward if no one could talk about
29:36it? You know,
29:37you know, Dr. Huff talked a bit about
29:38how people show up, and doctors are
29:41afraid to actually, you know, diagnose
29:43or find help. So, we realize by raising
29:45awareness, we're hoping to put pressure
29:47on the government through the fact that
29:49they realize they're already re-looking
29:50at the the VIS program, something else
29:52is going to come out. We We also
29:54understood that there was like 2/3 of
29:56that money in the original program went
29:57to overhead. So, we hope they'll listen
30:00to what the stories and the frustrations
30:01and concerns are, so at the end of the
30:03day, they'll get a chance to
30:05have a better program. And once again, I
30:07think, you know, for a lot of these
30:09individuals, as Shawn has mentioned,
30:11there's a lot of trauma. And so, at the
30:13end of the day, we want the healing to
30:14start by people just feeling like
30:17they're they're being heard. And as I
30:18said, it's a very narrow focus, as you
30:20mentioned, because I don't have the
30:22resources of the government. By By all
30:24means, I think it's a great start, and
30:26we really hope that this will start the
30:28healing process, and the government will
30:30take notice, and they'll they'll do a
30:31better job with the next iteration of
30:33the program.
30:35>> And so then, I would like to
30:36like you to respond to the criticism
30:38that we've seen
30:39that this is an initiative that you were
30:42leading for political motivations,
30:45drumming up anti-vaccine sentiment
30:48instead of actually trying to
30:50meaningfully have these people's voices
30:52heard and make change. What would you
30:53say to that?
30:54>> Sure, I'd say
30:55you know, my job as a member of
30:56Parliament is to listen to people and
30:58help them access programs.
31:00So, I do it in my office. As a matter of
31:01fact, every MP
31:02doing their job, and I believe every MP
31:04does their job, all 343 across this
31:07country, they do their job every day.
31:09The challenges is say once again is that
31:12when you're looking at things like this,
31:15you you end up realizing that people
31:17don't feel comfortable in having these
31:18conversations. And so, you know, I I
31:20look at that I look at this as an
31:21opportunity as an extension of my job
31:24and to be able to do this publicly
31:25because I'm already doing this
31:27privately. And as I said, you know, when
31:30you talk to some of these vaccine
31:31injured people, what you'll find out is
31:33that there's a huge reluctance to have
31:35any conversations or any meaningful
31:36conversation. Really, what we hope
31:38they'll do is they'll take they'll have
31:39permission.
31:40We want to give them permission to speak
31:42publicly about these things. And so, I
31:44don't look at it as that it we're not
31:46finding we don't want to we're not
31:48trying to find facts to beat up the
31:50government. It's open to everybody. We
31:52invite invited all parties to sit in and
31:54listen to this. And so, you know, my
31:56response to that is I believe this is an
31:58extension of my job. And MPs do this in
32:00a variety of ways all the time all
32:02across the writings. We're trying to do
32:03it more publicly cuz the input I've
32:06received over the last three or four
32:07years from people across the country
32:09voicemails, texts, emails, all those
32:11things are saying like we have like no
32:13one's had a conversation. We we don't
32:14know what's going on and we we need
32:15help. So, we're trying to raise
32:17awareness. And the government admits
32:19themselves at the end of the day, they
32:21started the program, the VISP program,
32:23because they realized people were
32:24injured, right? And government's own
32:26health records have some 60,000 people
32:28are injured, 11,000 serious, 3,500
32:31applied to the program, 3,000 got
32:33accepted, only 252
32:35received any types of compensation. That
32:37is 0.4%
32:39And so as we look at these numbers and
32:41we hear the stories of docs sort of
32:43saying I we we're reluctant to say
32:45anything, I we feel those numbers could
32:47be much higher. But let's just use the
32:48government numbers for now. That's what
32:50we'll use the health care numbers. We
32:51realize that there's a very very small
32:53fraction of that of the money that was
32:55promised or used to help these people is
32:58actually getting to them. And so that's
33:00really what we want to do is raise
33:01awareness. And we you know, we hope the
33:03government will as they look at this new
33:05program will be able to add more funds,
33:07make the
33:08process simpler. They're listening to
33:09what they're
33:10It It really is quite amazing the
33:13frustration level of individuals trying
33:15to get through the program, lost forms.
33:17I mentioned a highlight the top top
33:19three or four of those things. And And
33:20really we we just want people to be able
33:22to be able to
33:23try and get access to the funds.
33:25>> My colleague Dr. Nashad a quick
33:26follow-up. You're saying you want it to
33:28be non-partisan and you've made the
33:30appeal for all members of the parliament
33:32to come and listen. Have you heard
33:34confirmation from any member of
33:36parliament that's not a conservative?
33:38>> I know not at this point in time, but
33:39we're still reaching out. Uh we we'll uh
33:41be sending them another invite this
33:43week. Uh as we learn more as I learn
33:46more of the the individuals that'll be
33:48uh coming to testify,
33:50uh I know already there's some from
33:51Liberal ridings. I'll be personally
33:52reaching out to the those members to say
33:55you have a constituent that's coming to
33:56town. If you could take the time, that
33:58would be great. So that that'll be the
33:59courtesy that I offer them as well.
34:01Thank you.
34:02>> And I Kevin Ryan from CPAC. Um and my
34:05question is a little similar to my
34:06colleagues here. Um you said in your
34:08opening statement Canadians deserve
34:10answers on these questions around the
34:11vaccine and around uh the support uh
34:13program for the vaccine injured, but
34:15your inquiry also says it will not make
34:17any findings of fact or reach any
34:18conclusions. So where are the answers
34:21going to come from that you're looking
34:22for?
34:23>> Yeah, a great question. Yeah, once
34:25again, uh there's been no conversation
34:27around this topic at all for the last
34:29four you know, three or four years.
34:30What we are hoping to do as we raise
34:32this issue, just just like I would raise
34:34the issue if I was doing a town hall
34:35back in my riding in Regina West, as
34:38people listen to this inquiry, we're
34:40hoping the government right now is right
34:42in between programs. They're looking at
34:44what they can do differently from
34:45before.
34:46We hope that there'll be people
34:47listening and they'll be able to have an
34:49opportunity to do that. By all means,
34:51you know, I I'm I'm always happy to make
34:54recommendations, send something into
34:55committee, etc., etc. Our whole point of
34:58this was that we were not looking at
35:00anything other than listening to people,
35:01hearing their stories, and trying to
35:03make sure that people could get access
35:04to these programs.
35:05>> Another question.
35:07Um will witnesses be under oath when
35:10they testify at the Allison Inquiry?
35:12>> Yes, they will.
35:15>> Is there any threat, like what's the
35:17what's the penalty if they're found to
35:18be not telling the truth? Of course,
35:20this isn't like a government or judicial
35:22inquiry, so it's
35:23>> Probably the same same penalty as
35:25happens in regular committees right now.
35:27There's there's there's no penalty. I
35:29mean, we're we're we're going we're
35:31talking to people. We're having doctors
35:33verify this information, and that's the
35:35we're trying to take all precautions to
35:36make sure that
35:37people that show up are are are what
35:39they say they are, so.
35:42>> Ryan Maloney, Toronto Star.
35:44Is this inquiry an inquiry into the
35:46vaccine
35:48injury program? Is it a inquiry into the
35:52safety of the COVID vaccines? Is it an
35:54inquiry into the science behind
35:56COVID-19? Like, what are you trying to
35:59focus on
36:01in this inquiry?
36:02>> Toronto Star, thank you very much for
36:03being here. We appreciate it. No, I
36:06think a couple things. We said before,
36:08we're we don't have the time, the money,
36:09the capacity to look at the scientific
36:11issue.
36:12You know, I would say
36:14my mandate as a member of parliament is
36:17to listen to individuals and to help
36:20advocate on behalf of programs. It is
36:22nothing more than that. We're going to
36:23share some of the uh situations why
36:25people are reluctant to actually look at
36:28those kinds of things, but we are hoping
36:29the government is taking notice of what
36:32is going on and some of the frustrations
36:33that people are have trying to navigate
36:35the systems.
36:36>> Sorry, so is it about the program? Is it
36:39about the safety of vaccines? Is it
36:40about something
36:41>> It's It's It's about It is about
36:43listening to Canadians and it's about
36:45people trying to get access to programs.
36:48>> And can you talk a little bit about the
36:49the You you've called this an inquiry,
36:51but you know, inquiries generally
36:53have a format. They have a commissioner.
36:55They have opposing counsel. They have
36:57legal budgets. I know you said you don't
36:58have any of those things. So, what is
36:59the format of this going to look like?
37:02Is this going to be just 50 people
37:03getting up and telling their stories?
37:05>> Yeah, so I mean, at the end of the day,
37:07this is this would be very similar to
37:09what we we do in our writings all the
37:10time. We We We talk to people every
37:13single day about a number of a variety
37:15of issues. So, what we will do is we'll
37:17be talking to individuals throughout the
37:19course of that and we will bring in
37:21some people from time to time to give
37:23some context to and maybe go through
37:25government numbers and try to explain to
37:27us
37:28what they what they mean and what they
37:29what they are. But no, you are
37:30absolutely correct. We're not trying to
37:32find any kind of finding.
37:33We found that one of the greatest things
37:35and I know Sean alluded to this, people
37:37are are are having such a hard time
37:40not being able to feel like they can
37:41actually have a conversation. So,
37:44there's a lot of mental anguish around
37:45that that people feel like they've been
37:46gaslit and all those other kinds of
37:48things. I think this heart starts a
37:50healing process to say, "Listen, we we
37:52are listening. We encourage MPs to to
37:54come and hear the stories and maybe that
37:56can begin the healing process for some
37:58of these individuals."
37:59>> And if my colleague will indulge me,
38:01um
38:02do you have support from other
38:03Conservative MPs for holding this
38:05inquiry? Do you have support from the
38:06Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre
38:08holding this inquiry?
38:09>> Yeah, absolutely. As a As a matter of
38:10fact, I know that
38:11Pierre When Pierre is out on the road,
38:13he's told me as himself that individuals
38:15have come up to him and as as you know
38:17Pierre, he'll If he's at an event, he'll
38:19stay for an hour or two until every
38:22person comes through. I think one of the
38:24greatest litmus test of an MP is when
38:26you wrote in the writing and hearing
38:27what people have to say. So, absolutely
38:30he's aware that cuz he's aware of that
38:31people been injured because they come
38:32and talk to him.
38:33As far as as far as other conservatives,
38:35absolutely. I mean as conservatives, we
38:38all have a number of initiatives that
38:39we're involved in and areas of
38:41responsibility.
38:42We will have there'll be definitely some
38:43conservatives that'll be coming to hear
38:45hear some of the stories and as we get
38:47closer to that date, we we anticipate
38:50that there'll be a lot more that that
38:52will be there to be able to hear. And
38:53once again, we we'll open this to
38:54everybody. Once again, the NDP,
38:57the Bloc, and the Liberals as well. We
38:59we would love to have them there.
39:01>> Perfect. I have a question as well. I'm
39:02Rachel Haines. I'm with CTV. Um
39:06>> Thank you.
39:06>> Yeah. Thank
39:07>> [laughter]
39:07>> I'd like to thank you.
39:08>> Thank you.
39:09>> Lots of people here today. Um we've seen
39:11Dr. Fauci in the United States be called
39:13to testify in front of Congress. Do you
39:15have any plans to invite Dr. Theresa Tam
39:17who led some of these vaccine
39:18initiatives when she was the chief
39:19public health officer at this time?
39:21>> Yeah, no, there's no plans for that. And
39:23once again, I think it was pointed out
39:24we don't have the ability to compel
39:26witnesses. And so, we really wanted to
39:28keep this a narrow focus, listening to
39:31people's stories, and and and hopefully
39:33being able to raise the alarm at how
39:35difficult the program has been to
39:37access. Global News did a great article
39:39on four-part series last year,
39:42which was something that the health
39:43committee was was thinking about
39:47for for a period of time. So, we know
39:49there's we know there's interest there
39:50and I think that at the end of the day,
39:52we'd love to see an opportunity for the
39:54government to do better in the second
39:55round of what they do.
39:57>> And um
39:59we know that you were a little against
40:02you were against COVID vaccines back in
40:0420
40:05>> I was I was I was I supported choice.
40:07>> Choice. Okay, agreed. Fair point. Um I'm
40:10I guess I'm wondering if if you're going
40:12to be hearing from experts who believe
40:14in the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine
40:16who may have a different perspective
40:17from you.
40:18>> Yeah, no, we're we're basically want to
40:20hear from constituents of across the
40:22country and what they're what and what
40:24they're doing and what the the challenge
40:26they've had to access these programs to
40:28try and make it better.
40:30>> And um I noticed on the website you're
40:33canvassing donations as well. Where are
40:36the funds from those donations going to?
40:39I believe that there was a nonprofit um
40:41set up that kind of overseeing this uh
40:43inquiry, but I would like to know more
40:44specifically where those donations would
40:46actually be going.
40:47>> Sure, absolutely. Yeah, no, go ahead.
40:49Yeah, thanks.
40:49>> So, yeah, so that
40:51>> [clears throat]
40:52>> basically it's just the cost. So,
40:53everyone is a volunteer except for, you
40:55know, web contractors and and the like
40:58for setting up the infrastructure.
41:01We're paying some travel for witnesses,
41:03um but we don't We're actually hoping
41:05we'd have enough to pay for all. So, um
41:09it's all just So, there's no salaries
41:10other than, you know, web web people and
41:13graphic people and the like. So, you
41:15know, I'm a volunteer, my wife Teresa is
41:17a volunteer, the people vetting the
41:18witnesses are volunteer. You know,
41:20doctors that are helping to vet
41:22witnesses. Um as it turns out, most
41:24witnesses we'll be calling their own
41:25doctors that are agreeing that it's
41:27vaccine injury, but there's been some
41:29where we've had a panel of doctors look
41:31at it and see if it's a realistic thing.
41:34Um because we came to realize there's
41:36that difficulty. So, yeah, and right, so
41:39that's basically it is. So, we set up a
41:41nonprofit um so that we could collect
41:44funds and have a legal vehicle to pay
41:46for this.
41:47So.
41:49>> Thank you. And I might just ask one more
41:50question as well. Just a bit more of a
41:52follow-up on uh my colleague's questions
41:53about what the um actual focus is. I
41:57mean, in my questions to you just now
41:58you talked about the vaccine injury
42:00program itself. Um my gathering from uh
42:03Dr. Hoff was about some of the safety of
42:06the vaccine. So, I'm just really
42:07wondering, you know, what is the actual
42:10focus of this and
42:14if is it if it is just about the vaccine
42:16injury program which we have seen some
42:18criticism of or if it is actually just
42:20to listen about the safety of vaccines
42:23and people's opinions on vaccines.
42:25>> Yeah, no. It's I think what Dr. Hoff was
42:27trying to illustrate is the difficulty
42:29around doctors being able to to identify
42:32these things because of fear of what
42:34they have to deal with.
42:35What what we are doing what I set up to
42:38do is to listen and to then advocate on
42:41behalf of these individuals for the
42:42vaccine injury program.
42:44Uh once again, you know, good work from
42:46Global News last year. Some of these
42:48things may never have come forward and
42:50so I think that if we could do that, I
42:52think that would be helpful. People have
42:53a chance to
42:55uh you know, talk about the what they've
42:57struggled with and they feel like
42:58they've been alone. The word that keeps
42:59coming up is people feel like they've
43:01been abandoned.
43:02And so if we could deal with that and
43:04then the next part would be if the
43:05government's listening, we'd love we'd
43:07love definitely for them to do a better
43:09job of maybe create more money,
43:11streamline the process. There's a number
43:12of different things. The government will
43:13figure that out and maybe that's why
43:15they brought it back in house, but while
43:17they're still trying to decide what that
43:18program's going to look like, I think
43:20there's a fantastic opportunity to give
43:22them feedback on that as well.
43:23>> So just on that then
43:25>> We don't have any more time after this
43:26question. This
43:26>> Understood.
43:27>> Thank you.
43:28>> Thanks. Thanks, guys.
43:28>> Just one more. After this.
43:30>> He said no more questions.
43:31>> Okay, good. Yeah.
43:32>> Thanks. Uh
43:33so if you want the government to listen
43:35to what is being said, are you not
43:37concerned that
43:40uh having a platform for Canadians who
43:41have legitimate vaccine injuries be
43:44shared with doctors who believe that
43:46their patients or wanted their patients
43:48to be given ivermectin is not entirely
43:50delegitimizing the process and therefore
43:53having the government essentially tune
43:54this whole thing out?
43:55>> Well, like I said, we're going to talk
43:56to we're going to talk to individuals
43:58and those individuals are going to share
44:00their stories and as I said, the
44:02government admits themselves that people
44:04have been vaccine injured. They set up a
44:05program called VASP and that's that
44:08program has not worked very well. So, we
44:10want to give them input on that so the
44:11next program can be better.
44:12Thank you very much, guys.
44:14>> No, anyway, sorry, Jordan. Um are you
44:16going to be publishing any of your
44:18conversations or your findings?
44:20>> we'll we'll we'll publish stuff to the
44:21website. Yeah.
44:22>> Perfect.
44:23>> Thanks. Thanks very much for coming,
44:24guys. Appreciate it.

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