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0:00It means that everything that exists in
0:02our world comes as a reflection of the
0:05exact same sacred geometric pattern at a
0:08non-physical world above us.
0:12That's what you find in all the ancient
0:13traditions.
0:14When the Greeks talk talk about the
0:17ideal world
0:18and the world of forms, this is a
0:20non-physical blueprint level above the
0:24physical that then manifest into the
0:26energy matrix, which then manifest the
0:29physical level. So, everything in this
0:31world is a direct manifestation of the
0:35exact same thing that exists above us in
0:38a consciousness space and in a
0:41qualitative energetic space.
0:44And if you understand that, it opens up
0:47many, many mysteries and many practical
0:49applications.
1:02Hello, family. Welcome on the Just
1:05Happen podcast. I'm your host, Emilio
1:07Ortiz.
1:09And are you in for a treat today because
1:12our guest, Dr. Robert J. Gilbert,
1:15is, in my opinion, one of the most
1:17fascinating humans
1:19on Earth right now. And it is such a
1:22gift to be able to have humans that have
1:24dedicated their life to study the
1:27ancient traditions, to study the
1:30mysteries of the past so that we can see
1:32them in a new light going toward the
1:35future of a new epoch that is emerging
1:37right now on the planet. And
1:40we have covered so much ground in this
1:43first conversation with Dr. Robert. You
1:46are in for such a gift uh to be able to
1:49absorb a lot of this wisdom. Um I really
1:52hope that it lands for you, that it
1:55transforms you in a new way because
1:57that's why that's why we're having these
1:59conversations to bring
2:02to bring things that have been maybe
2:03hidden in many traditions or have been,
2:07you know, indoctrinated by by other
2:09cultures.
2:11We are here to bring all of this to
2:13light. We are here to shed light into
2:16this beautiful well of wisdom and Robert
2:19is such an amazing human that
2:22he he really went deep into this
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2:57landed for you, what stood out, what
3:00insights came for you.
3:02Um I'm excited to hear from you. So,
3:04much love and enjoy this conversation
3:07with a luminary of our generation, Dr.
3:10Robert J. Gilbert.
3:19Dr. Robert J. Gilbert, welcome on the
3:23show. What are you most excited about
3:27right now in your life?
3:30Well, I have to say I'm very excited
3:31about what you discussed with me just
3:33before we started about the topic for
3:36today,
3:37which is how we can reclaim the masters
3:40of the net lineage from ancient Egypt as
3:43something that people can walk as a
3:46operative path in their own lives today.
3:50That's something that I'm very much
3:52engaged in in my own work at the moment
3:54and I'm very excited about uh sharing
3:57with people. And of course this also
3:59connects with things that I'm working on
4:01at the moment in bringing Dr. Ibrahim
4:03Karim, the founder of modern
4:05biogeometry, from Egypt to do a seminar
4:09in the States early next year.
4:12And uh helping to get that work out
4:14because it's absolutely astonishing and
4:17really a type of modern training for the
4:19masters of the net.
4:21So all these things connect together and
4:23again I'm very excited to be here with
4:25you today.
4:26Some huge projects coming up for you,
4:28brother. And really I wanted to start
4:30off with a date that you might resonate
4:33with, which is 1899.
4:38And
4:39we've heard by many different, you know,
4:42teachers along
4:44the ages of this dark age that humanity
4:46would enter, this Kali Yuga. And I know
4:50you mentioned that ascended masters like
4:52Babaji have told that dark age has
4:55ended. We are entering a new time cycle
4:58in humanity.
5:00And just to give people, instead of
5:01starting in the microcosm, let's start
5:04in the macrocosm for you to give us a
5:06perspective of what's going on in the
5:09world right now, this transition that
5:11humanity, from 1899, what we're going
5:14through, this path of self-initiation.
5:17What's going on in the world right now?
5:20So following up on that idea about the
5:23importance of the year 1899,
5:26many people will be aware, if they know
5:28my work, that a lot of my work focuses
5:30on sacred geometry.
5:32And normally we deal with sacred
5:34geometry in terms of space, but sacred
5:36geometry also refers to time. And so
5:39there's a sacred geometry of time as
5:41well as space because sacred geometry is
5:43really the study of patterns.
5:45And so there's particular patterns that
5:47control human life, whether it's an
5:49individual lifetime with what the
5:52Rosicrucians call the 7-year life cycle,
5:55where new things come up every 7 years
5:57as part of our evolutionary alchemical
5:59process. And then on a macro scale, the
6:03same happens for the entire planet and
6:06within the cosmos
6:08with such timing mechanisms as the
6:10precession of the equinox, the the
6:14apparent backward movement of the sun
6:17through the fixed signs of the zodiac at
6:19the vernal equinox every year. This
6:22becomes a great cosmic clock
6:24that brings new impulses in in certain
6:27timings.
6:29And so 1899
6:31was the time period
6:32that both Rudolf Steiner in the European
6:36Rosicrucian tradition
6:38and the Babaji lineage from the
6:40Himalayas, as expressed through uh uh
6:44Babaji's student, Sri Yukteswar,
6:47in his book The Holy Science, describes
6:51as the end of the Kali Yuga dark age and
6:53the beginning of this new age of light.
6:55Now, this doesn't mean that everything's
6:57going to be fantastic immediately. These
7:00are long periods
7:02and they are transitional periods and
7:04transitional periods can be very
7:06challenging.
7:07And so from one perspective, that's
7:09where we are right now.
7:11That 1899
7:13was this
7:15turning point in the sacred geometry of
7:18time out of the Kali Yuga and into this
7:21new age of light. And we're in a kind of
7:23transitional period right now.
7:25So looking at this idea,
7:27we can see reflected in external history
7:32that it was in the late 1800s that we
7:35had the real beginnings of a free
7:38international movement of a kind of new
7:42spiritual science. And this was based in
7:44the work of the theosophists.
7:47When the theosophy first started around
7:50the 1870s
7:52in the United States, at one time it was
7:55going to be called a Rosicrucian
7:56organization, but they ended up instead
7:59taking on the the name of theosophy.
8:02And
8:03particularly the time 1879
8:07also comes in with this. 1899 is the end
8:09of the Kali Yuga dark age, but
8:11intertwined with that, we have what in
8:14the Western tradition is understood as a
8:16sacred geometry of time related to the
8:18seven archangels. Every one of the
8:21archangels is a being at a particular
8:23level of evolution that is representing
8:27as a zeitgeist, as the spirit of the age
8:31in a cyclical activity, particular
8:33particular planetary forces.
8:35And an entire cycle of seven
8:39archangelic ages is 2,160 years. That's
8:44the precession of the equinox and the
8:45time it takes for the sun's apparent
8:47position at the vernal equinox to move
8:49through one whole sign of the zodiac.
8:51That whole 30°. It's 2,160 years divided
8:54between seven planetary and archangelic
8:57forces.
8:58That gives a little over 300 years of
9:01rulership to each being. Now, the
9:03highest of these was understood as the
9:05archangel of the sun. The sun is the
9:07center of our solar system. It is the
9:09source of heat and light and life.
9:12And so, Archangel Michael is understood
9:15as being the highest of the seven
9:17planetary archangels.
9:19And it's understood by the European
9:21Rosicrucians that 1879 was the beginning
9:24of the new period of Archangel Michael.
9:28So, we have that happening in 1879.
9:31We have in 1899 the end of the Kali Yuga
9:34dark age, and almost immediately at the
9:36beginning of the 1900s, not only do you
9:39have the Theosophical Society creating
9:41chapters all over the world, where
9:43people don't have to belong to just one
9:45spiritual tradition, but they can take
9:48knowledge from multiple traditions and
9:51take the pieces they need to craft their
9:53own independent spiritual path.
9:56And this is something that is of
9:58tremendous importance. In previous
10:02ages of recorded history, a person would
10:05join one particular tradition in most
10:07cases and stay with it their entire
10:09life. They'd have a particular guru that
10:11would lead them to whatever were the
10:14steps of that particular initiatory
10:16process. Now, the benefit of this is
10:19that you had somebody that knew what
10:20they were doing who would lead you on a
10:21process that actually lead to something,
10:24that would lead to your being able to
10:26make permanent alchemical changes in
10:28your consciousness and energy field,
10:30that you could take with you through the
10:31gate of death and into subsequent
10:34incarnations.
10:35But of course, the downside is that you
10:38only got that from one perspective. And
10:40there's always the question about what
10:42is your individual mystery for every
10:45person. What's your individual mystery
10:47of who am I? Why am I here?
10:50What is the purpose of my current
10:52incarnation? And different traditions
10:54have different pieces of the puzzle.
10:56Different traditions focus on different
10:58knowledge and practices and things that
11:01will activate and sculpt your subtle
11:04body to become capable of new things, of
11:09what in the Himalayas they call siddhas
11:11or powers, to activate and develop these
11:14powers. So, again, the benefit of the
11:17old method of very much one tradition,
11:19one guru, that type of thing,
11:22is reflected in the Indian saying that
11:25if you dig a lot of shallow holes,
11:27you'll never find water, but if you dig
11:29one deep hole, then you'll find water,
11:30with water being the spiritual wisdom.
11:34Now, the other side of it, again based
11:36on
11:38this is restricting you to one
11:39particular perspective and one
11:40particular method of sculpting the
11:42subtle bodies, is that as human beings
11:45have evolved to become more self-aware,
11:47more conscious, more capable of taking
11:50their own spiritual evolution in hand,
11:52moving from a kind of spiritual
11:54childhood,
11:56where you have to be taken by the hand
11:58by our mother and father and led to
12:00wherever we're going, reflected in the
12:02guru principle, which is the exact same
12:04thing. You don't know what you're doing,
12:06so you'll take the hand of the guru and
12:07they'll take you where you need to go.
12:09As an adult, you need to be able to make
12:10your own choices.
12:12And so, we've seen this tremendous
12:14movement since 1879, started
12:17Theosophical Society worldwide as a
12:20place that people could share
12:21information freely from multiple
12:24traditions.
12:25Uh and then 1899, the end of the Kali
12:27Yuga, we see this tremendous growth in
12:30independent spiritual investigation and
12:33people learning from multiple
12:35traditions, crafting their own paths, or
12:38what the Rosicrucians refer to as the
12:39independent path of spiritual
12:42initiation. Now, when we say this, this
12:44doesn't mean that we're
12:46are completely alone. We are always
12:49connected to the spiritual beings that
12:51are linked to everyone from the time
12:53that we're born, that we have particular
12:55karmic connections to, and who help us.
12:58Of course, for some of these higher
12:59beings, like the guardian angel spoken
13:01of in the Western tradition,
13:04we are of a level of development
13:06compared to their level of development
13:09that's the
13:10very analogous to a human being's level
13:12of development to having a dog as a pet.
13:15We are the dog. We are the pet to the
13:18the guardian angel. It's at a level of
13:20evolution one cycle above us.
13:23But nonetheless, just like a good pet
13:24owner, they try to take good care of us
13:26and keep us out of trouble and us to
13:28where we need to go.
13:30And so we're at the point now that
13:32although we are working with these
13:34higher spiritual beings, we're not
13:36beholden to any human being. We don't
13:39give up our freedom, particularly
13:41freedom of choice, to any one human
13:43being. In the Rosicrucian tradition of
13:45Europe, for example, and I'm talking
13:47about the original Rosicrucian
13:48tradition, I'm not talking about modern
13:50Rosicrucian organizations,
13:52which later formed often based on
13:55Masonic
13:56uh
13:57principles of multiple grades that you
14:00go through, an initiatory process, and
14:03trying to get to this degree and that
14:04degree. That's that's something that
14:06came later. The original Rosicrucian
14:08impulse was always independent uh
14:11initiation, not based on joining any
14:13organization, physical organization, or
14:16having a human guru.
14:18It was about being able to connect
14:20directly to spirit and to the spiritual
14:23beings that are connected to us. So the
14:24independent path is linked to spiritual
14:27beings of a higher status than us
14:30that are highly beneficial, and
14:32everybody has their team of beings that
14:34we can become conscious of. We have to
14:36always keep a very grounded attitude
14:38toward it so we don't fly off into
14:40fantasy about these things and it just
14:43becomes our own projections. But that's
14:46the whole core of the path, opening up
14:49the energy centers in the body, opening
14:50up the particularly the
14:53the column of energy, the column of
14:55spirit above the head, connecting to the
14:57higher centers, and then we can receive
14:59what was referred to in medieval times
15:01as the conversation of the Holy Guardian
15:03Angel, which is the ability to activate
15:05energy centers above the head to receive
15:08the packed thought forms, the
15:10tremendously condensed energy and
15:12information that can come in an instant
15:14transmission from higher beings to us on
15:17this particular path. So just to sum
15:19this up, yes, we are in a very important
15:22uh period of time today as we're moving
15:24into this independent path of spiritual
15:26initiation, the the time of the
15:28Archangel Michael, who is known as the
15:31cosmopolitan spirit by the Rosicrucians
15:34or the regent of the cosmic intelligence
15:37because Michael's nature is to be able
15:39to understand the wisdom in every
15:43spiritual tradition. He actually is the
15:45guardian of the original unified gnosis
15:48that broke up into all the different
15:50traditions. So, someone that really
15:51connects with Archangel Michael is able
15:54to
15:55partake in the knowledge from every
15:58tradition and to dynamically bring it
16:00back together and paste those fragments
16:03back together into a coherent whole. We
16:06even see in the development in the last
16:09120 odd years since 1899
16:13that in
16:15human history, the development of modern
16:17science has completely transformed the
16:20planet since 1899. We didn't have
16:23electrification, we didn't have planes,
16:26we didn't have cars, we didn't have
16:27anything in 1899. If you see how far we
16:30came in 100 years, it's mind-blowing,
16:31but it's because of this opening.
16:34Now, again, the technology isn't
16:35necessarily going to lead us to the
16:36promised land, but it is a reflection of
16:39the activation of consciousness for us
16:41to start moving forward.
16:42Mhm.
16:43It's so interesting that you mentioned
16:45Archangel Michael because
16:47just on a personal level, every time I
16:50do an interview, he's he's right here.
16:52He's right here. And
16:54here he is slaying with his sword um a
16:57being which you might refer to as maybe
17:00Satan or Lucifer, which we're going to
17:02get into what are the differences
17:04between those two. Um but before that,
17:06you mentioned how he is unifying all
17:09these different spiritual perspectives
17:10and wisdom. And I heard you once say
17:12that it takes 12 people to change the
17:16world. So, what does the number 12 have
17:19to do with Archangel Michael and how
17:22he's bridging together all these
17:23different perspectives
17:25and the power of this sacred number of
17:2712, where do you see that lying?
17:29So, Archangel Michael, again, being the
17:32regent of the cosmic intelligence, he
17:34understands the original primeval gnosis
17:36before it got broken up and divided into
17:39different groups around the world. And
17:42so,
17:43that includes the understanding of the
17:47the primal science, which is sacred
17:49geometry.
17:50It's the primal science because it is a
17:52direct emanation of the thought forms of
17:54the mind of God that create the patterns
17:57behind everything in our world.
18:00And so, for higher beings, their
18:03language is sacred geometry. That's how
18:05they communicate. That's how they think.
18:07That's what they use to create the
18:08world. It's the patterns behind
18:10everything. It's a pattern language.
18:13And so,
18:14with then those patterns, of course, are
18:16particular geometries, particular number
18:20patterns. These are all a part of how
18:22you take higher energies and in what we
18:26call today the collapse of the wave
18:28function to the particle in modern
18:30science, we collapse the wave to the
18:32particle, we collapse the energy field
18:34into the physical manifestation.
18:37And so, that gives things a specific
18:40shape
18:41that is a manifestation of its function.
18:43It gives things a specific number
18:45quality. Like there's a reason why we
18:46have five fingers on each hand and five
18:49toes on each foot.
18:50The pentagram.
18:52Yes, exactly. All these things we think
18:54of as sacred geometry today are usually
18:55things related to like number, like a
18:57five-pointed star, seven-pointed star,
19:00a
19:01uh dodecahedron with 12 faces, these
19:03kinds of thing. So, the highest of the
19:05Platonic solids, for example, and these
19:07are the perfect divisions of a sphere
19:10that allow you to take the primal form
19:12of the sphere, which is the initial
19:13container of creation, cuz it comes from
19:16the singularity, the original
19:19emanation point of the divine,
19:22and then emanate out to create a
19:23container for creation. And every point
19:26on the periphery is equidistant from the
19:28center. That's the secret of the sphere.
19:31But then you have to give it shape to
19:33take on different energetics and
19:35applications. And that becomes the five
19:38Platonic solids.
19:39As you may know, and as I mentioned in
19:41my Gaia TV Sacred Geometry series, that
19:45only four of those five Platonic solids
19:47were taught publicly by the Greeks. The
19:48fifth was considered to be too holy, too
19:50sacred, and too dangerous to talk about
19:53publicly, which is the dodecahedron.
19:55And it is
19:56We'll get into Oppenheimer a bit later.
19:58Yeah. So, the dodecahedron is directly
20:01related to what you're talking about,
20:02like why 12? Why is 12 so important? So,
20:06it is the 12-sided
20:08Platonic solid. It's the highest of all
20:10the Platonic solids. It relates to the
20:12whole cosmos.
20:14And every one of its 12 faces is uh
20:17a pentagon.
20:19And pentagonal shapes are related to
20:21life energy. Five-pointed stars,
20:24pentagons, the five-sided geometries are
20:26directly related to life force.
20:29And so,
20:31the secrets of the number 12 also go
20:33back to the Kabbalah.
20:35And so, in the great Kabbalistic text,
20:38one of the greatest works ever written,
20:40called Sefer Yetzirah, which means the
20:43Book of Formation.
20:45This particular text talks about how the
20:48Hebrew alphabet is the manifestation of
20:51divine powers.
20:53And every one of those sounds in the
20:54Hebrew alphabet is a divine power that
20:57then
20:58becomes represented by a particular
21:00geometric shape that is the original
21:02form of the Hebrew letters. And that
21:05these 22 original letters divide into
21:07groups of 3, 7, and 12.
21:11The 12, or what they call the 12
21:13elemental letters, they are the key to
21:15physical creation. Now, here's the
21:17thing. If you read the book Sefir
21:19Yetzirah, like I've I've told some
21:21people about Sefir Yetzirah, how
21:22important it is, and they said, "I
21:23didn't see anywhere in this book
21:25uh I saw about the 3 7 12, but I didn't
21:28see what you're talking about with how
21:31the three is related to the three anchor
21:33points in the human physical body, the
21:35head, the heart, and the will, where
21:38spirit manifest our astral body of
21:40consciousness, and anchors it in these
21:42three physical points, or how the seven
21:46discuss the seven double letters in the
21:49Hebrew alphabet are related to the seven
21:51chakras in the body of the etheric life
21:54force in the body, or how the 12 is
21:56related to the 12 levels of the physical
21:59body represented in medieval diagrams
22:01showing each of the 12 zodiacal forces
22:04at a particular height or level,
22:07that zodiacal force manifesting the
22:09shape information, the geometry of that
22:11part of the body, because it holds its
22:13function in a higher macrocosmic form.
22:17So, the 12 is related to the zodiac. The
22:1912 is related to why there are 12
22:21disciples around Christ, and Christ is
22:25the 13th in the center.
22:27And the 12 is the secret to physical
22:30manifestation.
22:32To bring things into physical
22:33manifestation from a higher level is
22:36related to the number 12. So, the 12
22:39signs of the zodiac around the earth,
22:41there's 12 disciples around Christ,
22:44and this is not an abstraction, it's not
22:46an abstract philosophy, it's actually
22:47related to dynamics.
22:49Mhm.
22:49And so, you can see this in sacred
22:51geometry in the work of Buckminster
22:53Fuller,
22:54in what he calls the close packing of
22:55spheres. The sphere is the primal form.
22:58If you have one sphere, and you see as
23:00you start to create in physical space,
23:03how many spheres of the same size can I
23:05pack around it from every direction so
23:08that it's touching the central sphere?
23:10How many can touch it packed in 3D
23:12around it? Exactly 12. Six around it,
23:17three on top, three on bottom.
23:19Is that the tree of life?
23:21Well, it's one aspect of the tree of
23:23life, but that's a another part of the
23:25conversation. Uh so, the
23:29the idea of the 12 is it has to do with
23:32this full manifestation process. And
23:35when it then gets applied to people
23:37working in groups,
23:39just like you had 12 disciples around
23:41Christ cuz it takes 12 different
23:43perspectives to understand a cosmic
23:45being, to understand a higher reality.
23:48Otherwise, we're the blind man and the
23:50elephant.
23:51Mhm.
23:51And it's like, if you're the blind man,
23:53is the elephant a wall? Is it a spear?
23:56Is it a hose? What is it? But, if you
23:59have 12
24:00perspectives, you're walking a circle
24:03around the thing seeing it from every
24:04perspective, and you know what the thing
24:06actually is. So, it took 12 human beings
24:10around the Christ to to have some sense
24:12of what this cosmic being was from their
24:14different perspectives, each
24:15representing a zodiacal perspective,
24:18like the 12 signs around the Earth.
24:20Again, often this is thought of as like
24:22something abstract, philosophical, but
24:24it's actually a direct manifestation of
24:26divine principles. It's the core
24:29organizing principles behind everything
24:31in the world. And so, the Rosicrucians
24:33understood that if you're going to
24:35transform Earth history, bring these
24:37beneficial aspects in, it's going to
24:40take a group of 12
24:42very advanced initiates working together
24:46to really ground this type of divine
24:49force into the world.
24:50It's also why they say in the
24:52Rosicrucian tradition that in the
24:54initiation of Christian Rosenkreutz, a
24:57very high advanced spiritual master in
25:00the
25:01Middle Ages,
25:03that he got his
25:04modern initiation through a group of 12
25:07initiates around him.
25:09So, they need a group of 12 to really
25:11anchor this type of power, but at a
25:14higher level it becomes the 144. You
25:17need 12 groups of 12 to create the 144
25:21harmonic, which is an incredibly
25:23powerful harmonic. And of course it's
25:25discussed in the Bible with the 144 and
25:27these types of things. But again, we're
25:29getting back here to the thoughts in the
25:30mind of God, of the actual creative
25:33powers and how they manifest in space,
25:36in time, through geometry, through
25:38number.
25:40So, that's
25:41beginning ideas about the number 12.
25:45I have an interesting question for you.
25:47If
25:48you were to gather a team of 12 humans
25:52living or or dead or past on,
25:56do you have any people in mind that you
25:58would like to include
26:00to initiate into the next golden age of
26:03humanity?
26:06Well, in this case, I wouldn't be their
26:09initiator.
26:11I would be the one of the 12, hopefully.
26:14Hopefully I'd be of the status
26:15No, you're in there, Robert. You're in
26:17there. Don't worry. You're in there.
26:18status to be one of the 12. I'd probably
26:20represent the Scorpio perspective cuz
26:22that's kind of my That's my angle.
26:24You're a Scorpio?
26:26Yes, very much.
26:27Very much.
26:29Both both Sun and Mars in
26:32in Scorpio. And but this again relates
26:36to certain things in the mystery of like
26:38Vedic astrology, of the what they know
26:41in the Himalayas about how you're
26:43manifesting particular karmas in a
26:45particular lifetime based on the stellar
26:47positions of
26:49the planetary positions of the time that
26:50you incarnate.
26:52And so, as far as people that bring
26:55together to form the other 11,
26:57that would be something that
26:59I might have some perception of for some
27:01people, nobody to mention publicly, but
27:04it in the end it's always going to be
27:06what is the being in the center, which
27:09will most likely be a non-physical
27:10being, unless there's a very advanced
27:12spiritual master in physical incarnation
27:14at that time, who is like pulling this
27:17together, like a Christian Rosenkreutz
27:18level type of person. It would normally
27:21be a spiritual being that's pulling the
27:2412 together.
27:26And hopefully I would be involved in
27:27some beneficial aspect of that.
27:29You're You're in there, Robert.
27:30Well, thank you. Thank you. But yeah,
27:32that would be my my answer for that that
27:34question about the the 12. That tends to
27:36be activated by higher beings and people
27:39just have to be have developed their
27:41faculties enough to hear the call and
27:44come together. And the key thing today,
27:46the reason why it's so hard to do today,
27:47is because one of the first challenges
27:49on the spiritual is the challenge of ego
27:51inflation. And a huge number of people
27:54failed that that initiation trial right
27:57at the start.
27:58And
27:59That's the first trial when people are
28:00initiating into a spiritual
28:02first trials, because once you start to
28:04like wake up a little bit and if there
28:07immediately certain detrimental beings
28:10will come in, it's their their function
28:12to do so, and they'll say, "Oh, yes, not
28:14only are you like this incredible
28:16person, but you are even more than that.
28:18You're this fantastic guru, teacher,
28:21spiritual adept. You're the best ever.
28:23You're absolutely amazing." And they
28:25puff up your ego, and it's very common
28:28that today people without enough
28:29discernment once they start to wake up
28:32to who they are and they start
28:33activating their spiritual powers,
28:35any healthy take on that will make you
28:37more and more humble because you'll
28:39start perceiving directly
28:41much more advanced humans and beings
28:44than we are.
28:46Uh
28:47and also we'll start to see very clearly
28:49if you're on a healthy path, the parts
28:51of yourself that need to be developed
28:53further. That would become painfully
28:55obvious. If you're But, these other
28:58beings will come in and they'll shine
28:59this glamour on you and you'll get
29:01blinded by the glamour. It's like, "Oh,
29:03I'm absolutely incredible. Let me start
29:04my own little guru organization here and
29:07I'm the man." So, it's hard today to
29:09pull together groups of 12 cuz so many
29:11people fall prey to the ego inflation
29:14trial.
29:16That's an interesting segway because I
29:18wanted to talk about right now,
29:19especially in in the younger
29:21generations,
29:22people are activating very psychically,
29:25as you call them, the spiritual organs,
29:27just as you also had in your 20s this
29:29spontaneous awakening. And they start
29:31seeing these high-packed um geometric
29:34thought patterns of the mind of God, or
29:36they might have these beings that are
29:38trying to manipulate and decipher as if
29:41they were the light, but they're
29:43they're, you know, essentially not that.
29:46And they go through a failed spiritual
29:48initiation.
29:49And I know you mentioned Rudolf Steiner
29:51says that a lot of these people end up
29:53in psychosis.
29:55So, how do we manage
29:57someone that awakened spiritually, right
29:59now? They start seeing visions, they
30:01start seeing beings, they start seeing
30:03all these stuff and they're really open
30:05in their channel.
30:07What are you What is your guidance um
30:09for those people that are listening,
30:10especially younger people? I know a lot
30:12of younger people in in sort of my
30:13circle that I've seen that are
30:15activating themselves spiritually and
30:17seeing all of these stuff and and they
30:18don't necessarily know what's happening
30:20to them. So, I'd love to get your your
30:23guidance and your take on that.
30:25Well, this may be a good time to bring
30:27in what you referenced before about
30:29discerning between different types of
30:30spiritual influences and spiritual
30:33beings. This could be a time that will
30:34fit in here.
30:36So, one of the great corruptions that
30:39came in for understanding spiritual
30:41realities,
30:42uh which happened quite some time ago
30:44and is still very prevalent is this idea
30:47that you can discern higher realities
30:50through a simple good and evil lens. It
30:53doesn't work that way.
30:55Uh
30:56the idea that one polarity of whatever
31:01question is good and the other polarity
31:03is bad is absolute nonsense.
31:06So in primal polarity when we manifest,
31:08we have male and female.
31:10So which one's good and which one's bad?
31:14That'll just be complete nonsense if you
31:16start talking about that. The The true
31:18answer to this is always the question of
31:20the middle path, the middle way, the
31:22middle pillar, like the Tibetans talk
31:24about. So what we think of as
31:29bad or
31:31I probably in better language from the
31:33East they use a term unskillful.
31:35Like in Buddhism they talk They don't
31:37talk about bad action, they talk about
31:38unskillful action.
31:41It's not as judgmental. But it's
31:42unskillful and if you had skillful
31:44action instead, everything would turn
31:46out much better.
31:47So
31:48if we
31:50take skillful action, if we understand
31:52how this works, there's always a middle
31:54path between the two extremes.
31:56Which is better to be burning hot or
31:58freezing cold? Either one will kill you
32:00and is a torture. So it doesn't work
32:03that way. You have to have perfect
32:04balance.
32:05Yeah.
32:06And same thing is true when you're
32:07dealing with spiritual beings. It's not
32:10like here's
32:12these good beings, here's these bad
32:13beings.
32:15The beings that hold opposition have
32:18completely polarized natures to them cuz
32:21it's always a question of the middle
32:22way. The middle way, the middle path,
32:23the middle pillar is where the beings
32:26that hold spirit and matter in perfect
32:29balance
32:30reside in that middle path. So in the
32:33West, of course, the Christos and as the
32:37being that is the closest to the
32:38Christos in our understanding for the
32:41three monotheistic traditions, Archangel
32:43Michael.
32:44Michael is referred to as a technically
32:45as a countenance of Christ. He is a
32:48being of the Archangelic level, but he's
32:49actually so evolved he's functioning at
32:51a level above that at the next rank
32:54level above Archangels, which is an
32:55Archai level. But he's staying at the
32:57Archangel level of service. This gets
33:01more involved, but leave it at that for
33:02the moment. So, the idea here is that
33:04these beneficial beings including Buddha
33:06and all of these beneficial beings in
33:08multiple traditions, this is where
33:10Christianity took a wrong turn a long
33:11time ago. It's like, "Oh, only the
33:13beings of Christianity are good beings
33:16and all the beings spoken of in other
33:18traditions are demons." That's like an
33:20insane fundamentalist teaching that has
33:22caused horrible destruction and has
33:25never been true. These very high beings
33:27spoken of in other traditions are beings
33:30of the middle pillar. They're very, very
33:32advanced. Anybody who cannot see that
33:35that the Buddha and the Christ are very
33:38closely connected in their energetic
33:40imprint and activity in the world is is
33:43not perceiving clearly.
33:45These these beings are holding something
33:47very similar. And so,
33:50you then have the two opposite
33:51polarities.
33:53So, one of the problems today with
33:54people discerning, once they start to
33:56open up their perception, yes, one of
33:58the first things they perceive are the
33:59patterns of creation, which is sacred
34:01geometry. This comes as direct
34:02downloads.
34:04And this requires a certain stability in
34:06your inner life to be able to be calm,
34:08observe, not try to grasp it, not try to
34:12shrink back from it in fear, but just to
34:15have a completely clear mind ordinary
34:17mind Zen state and just perceive it.
34:20Don't believe in it or or not believe in
34:22it. Don't have any particular attitude
34:24toward it. You're just observing it. If
34:26it's real, it'll reveal itself as real.
34:29If it's not real, it doesn't like being
34:31looked at in a non-reactive way and will
34:33tend to go away.
34:36So I mean that's like an amazing key
34:38just the non-reactivity.
34:40Uh
34:41one of my teachers at the clairvoyant
34:43school in
34:43in Australia uh Dr. Samuel Sagan, the
34:47late French medical doctor,
34:50he had a brilliant saying which was that
34:52your ability to perceive spiritually
34:55is governed by your ability to not react
34:58to what you see.
35:00As soon as you react to it positively or
35:02negatively you're going to start
35:04corrupting it with your own projections.
35:06It requires tremendous non-reactivity.
35:10And so we also have need to have
35:11non-reactivity if we're going to even
35:13discuss the idea of hindering beings.
35:16Because unfortunately a lot of things
35:17related to to spiritual non-physical
35:19realities have been corrupted so that it
35:22become a kind of horror movie thing. So
35:25many people are actually terrified of
35:26seeing non-physical realities because
35:29there's been this terrible presentation
35:31of them that things that are
35:32non-physical are like ghosts and ghouls
35:35and all of these scary things that you
35:37don't want manifesting around you
35:39instead of being the breakthrough of a
35:41greater world that we're a part of that
35:43we were amnesiac before not remembering
35:46who we are and that we're from this
35:48world and being deaf, dumb, and blind
35:50and not perceiving this world. It's the
35:52greatest thing ever when you make that
35:54breakthrough but it has to be in a
35:55stable grounded way. But many people
35:57carry a subconscious fear of perceiving
36:00non-physical beings, non-physical
36:02worlds. We may desire it in a kind of
36:06adolescent thing of like eating candy
36:08where you're like, "Oh, I want to see
36:09that." But then lots of times people
36:11actually do start seeing it then it's
36:12like I wasn't ready to take that that
36:15step.
36:15Wasn't ready.
36:17So the same thing here when we're
36:18dealing with talking about the
36:20non-physical beings that are constantly
36:22influencing us.
36:23It's similar to where if we were to tell
36:25somebody, "You've got a billion bacteria
36:29on your body right now.
36:31Yeah, that's absolutely true and it was
36:32true before I told you that. And if
36:34you're healthy, that's absolutely fine.
36:36You'll be okay.
36:37But if you have a reaction to it, like,
36:40"Oh no, I'm covered with bacteria. I
36:41better cover myself with all types of
36:43antibiotics and all all the time to try
36:45to kill all that."
36:46Actually, that will kill you. We know
36:48that if you were to kill all the
36:49bacteria in the human body, you would
36:50die immediately. That's where we have
36:52all the stuff understanding now with the
36:54human biome.
36:55And about the gut biome and all this
36:58stuff. If you just take all these
36:59antibiotics and you kill the gut biome,
37:01you're killing yourself.
37:02So, we can't be scared of all the stuff
37:05that exists around us. Yeah, it can take
37:06a pathological form, but to not
37:09understand or perceive it at all based
37:11on our fear of that would be madness.
37:13So, if we have some rationality and
37:16stability to see these types of beings,
37:18that's the discussion that I had in the
37:21Gaia series that I'll recap very briefly
37:23here, which is as I understood in
37:25ancient times that spiritual beings that
37:28we encounter that have a hindering
37:30effect on our development and they're
37:32meant to. That's their purpose
37:34for being here. We have to have
37:35something to push against.
37:37It's spiritual weightlifting. We'd never
37:39develop any strength. You'd have no
37:41muscle in your body if you didn't have
37:43gravity to push against.
37:45And so, we have to have these beings to
37:47spiritually push against. Their job is
37:49to create lies. Their job is to create
37:51distortions. Their job is to confuse
37:53you. Because otherwise, you have nothing
37:56to work through to develop an active
37:59form of mind power and discernment to
38:03see through their illusions and through
38:05their distortions. And distortions are
38:07harder than than outright illusions
38:10because distortions have some seed of
38:12truth in them, but they've been warped.
38:13And that's true all through spiritual
38:15science today.
38:16So, these two beings can take on two
38:18polar forms. Those that really embrace
38:21spirit
38:22and don't understand or care for matter
38:25hardly at all. And in the ancient world
38:29would tell people things like in ancient
38:31India that the earth is a Maya, it's an
38:34illusion. Just get off the cycle of
38:36karma and reincarnation and go back to
38:38spirit. You don't need to be here.
38:41And these beings also try to get us into
38:43seeking constant ecstatic states in a
38:46way that cannot be maintained in a
38:47physical body and will end up burning
38:50out your subtle energy system. And like
38:52becoming a heroin addict. It's like,
38:54yeah, it felt great to begin with, but
38:55down the road your life is just becomes
38:57total chaos.
38:59These kinds of beings were known that
39:01they present as tremendous beings of
39:02light because they've embraced spirit
39:04entirely, but they do not understand
39:06physical reality, physical the reason
39:09for us to incarnate into the physical
39:10plane to evolve spiritually. They don't
39:12get that part. They think they're
39:14helping us.
39:14to incarnate in order to advance
39:18and initiate as a soul in our journey,
39:20right?
39:21As a member of the 10th spiritual
39:24hierarchy in our immediate system with
39:26nine angelic ranks above us, we are the
39:28spirits of love and freedom. And this is
39:30an essential part of our work here. When
39:32people reject physical incarnation, it's
39:35like the most painful like rejection of
39:37like your mother and father type of
39:39deal. We're like
39:41you don't appreciate any sacrifice
39:42anyone has made for you because
39:43tremendous numbers of spiritual beings
39:45for tremendous amounts of time worked
39:47really hard to create this world for us
39:50to incarnate into and to get this
39:52experience. It wasn't necessarily easy
39:54for them. They sacrificed a lot to do
39:56it. And this is our chance to incarnate
39:58here and learn those lessons we can only
40:00learn in the physical body in a highly
40:02dense form.
40:03So, who created this physical reality
40:06that you mentioned?
40:07That's that's a deep topic. Let me
40:09finish this idea about the two types of
40:11back. We'll circle back.
40:12spiritual beings here. So, the one group
40:15of beings here uh, became known as as
40:18the light bearers because being purely
40:21spirit and don't want to deal with
40:23matter, they have tremendous spiritual
40:25light. So, people that believe in a
40:29false understanding of here's the good
40:31beings and and they're all light and
40:33here's the bad beings and they're all
40:35dark will mistake Luciferic beings as
40:38Christic, Buddhic, beneficial beings.
40:42And Luciferic being that unbalanced
40:44spirituality that you're that you're
40:47talking about.
40:48Unbalanced in the sense that it really
40:49embraces spirit uh, but really rejects
40:52physical incarnation and the purpose of
40:55the hard slog of physical incarnation
40:58stuff. It's easy to talk human beings
40:59and into let's reject this physical
41:02world stuff cuz it's heavy, it's hard,
41:03it's hard work. It's the Saturn force of
41:06like you got to work hard to get
41:08something.
41:09So, yeah, we don't necessarily want to
41:10do that but in the end you got to do it.
41:13So, these beings became known as
41:16Lucifer, light bearer.
41:18And leader of them is Lucifer and then
41:21there's a massive number of Luciferic
41:23beings that chose this path. They're
41:25higher beings, they're above us. They're
41:27at least of the angelic rank or maybe
41:29even higher. And they they like forget
41:32the matter thing, we're going this
41:33direction. And so, they have this
41:35influence on us. Now, at the same time
41:38they sometimes have some beneficial
41:39influences on us because they will often
41:43pull us toward
41:45certain types of realizations,
41:47acts of freedom,
41:49these types of things.
41:51Uh, particularly pulling us out of
41:53really rigid control structures.
41:56They'll have an influence on us for
41:57that.
41:59And the sex, drugs, and rock and roll
42:00type of thing. And what are the
42:02beneficial aspects of that? You know, in
42:05like a really rigid spiritual system is
42:07like oh, there's no beneficial aspect
42:08any of that. Well, no, there is and
42:11you're going to have to play with it to
42:12some extent to like get some level of
42:14freedom. Don't go off the deep end, but
42:16yeah, there's things to be explored. So,
42:19the Luciferic beings are on one side. If
42:22you were to give all of your life over
42:24to them, then
42:26various destructive things would happen
42:27to your life.
42:28Uh but again, it's very critical that
42:30people on the path can discern between
42:32those beings and a being that's
42:34Christic, Buddhic, whatever is your
42:36frame of reference for these higher
42:37beings that hold the balance between
42:40spirit and matter. And then of course,
42:41if they're the beings of pure spirit,
42:43beings of light, there's going to be
42:44beings of darkness, beings that are
42:46related to matter, to the
42:48crystallization
42:49into physical form.
42:52And so, the beings that are responsible
42:54crystallization physical form, human
42:55beings didn't even hardly perceive these
42:57beings at first. In really old, ancient
42:59spiritual teachings, they're not even
43:01referred to.
43:03But as human beings developed further
43:05and began to develop thinking with the
43:07brain and develop their physical sense
43:09organs further
43:11and began to be able to perceive in the
43:12physical world more, they did begin to
43:15perceive these beings. And so, one of
43:17the first references to them is in the
43:19old Persian Zoroastrian system, where
43:22they're referred to as Angra Mainyu or
43:24Ahriman.
43:26And Ahriman is the dark lord of the
43:29earth.
43:30And they showed how Ahriman, in the
43:32Zoroastrian tradition, was opposed to
43:34Ahura Mazda, Ahura Mazda meaning the
43:37spiritual being perceived in the aura of
43:39the sun, which later became known as the
43:41Christos.
43:43So, this is a kind of anti-Christos
43:45force.
43:46So, these beings have a purpose here.
43:49The earth would not exist without these
43:50beings. These beings are of a higher
43:53rank than humanity.
43:55Uh they're usually at the Archangelic
43:58level,
43:59you know, maybe some other rank level,
44:00but usually around there. They're much
44:02more evolved than we are. They have the
44:04power to take the blueprints that come
44:07from the Godhead and higher spiritual
44:09beings to create a physical world and
44:12they actually then construct the
44:14physical world out of it.
44:16But being the masters of physical
44:19creation and of the physical world,
44:22they developed a type of perception that
44:25even though themselves are they
44:27themselves are non-physical spiritual
44:28beings, they love matter. That's their
44:30playpen. This is their thing. They made
44:32it. So, someone goes on ayahuasca
44:35journey and they encounter these beings
44:39and these beings say, "Oh, we are the
44:40real creators of your world. We made
44:43everything here. We made you." And etc.
44:46etc. You know, we are your real gods,
44:48this type of thing. And then the person
44:50goes back to the shaman. This is an
44:51actual story from somebody who told me
44:54what happened to them. And then they go
44:55back to their shaman and say, "Oh, I met
44:57these beings. They say that they're our
44:59real creators and they made the world
45:01and blah blah blah blah blah." And the
45:02shaman just looks completely unaffected
45:05by it and says, "Oh, they tell everybody
45:07that."
45:08So, we know we have to understand that
45:11this is how it works. So, these beings
45:13known as the leader being Ahriman and
45:16these are Ahrimanic beings.
45:19That in the next cultural epoch after
45:22the ancient Persians or Assyrian and the
45:24Egyptian epoch became known as Set. So,
45:27the Set force of the physical
45:29manifestation power.
45:33That's how it was understood in ancient
45:34Egypt. And they didn't try to destroy
45:36Set in the ancient Egyptian thing. They
45:38don't think you can't destroy Set. This
45:40is a much higher being than we are.
45:42There's a lot of very ignorant ideas
45:44people have about, "Oh, we'll just
45:45destroy or get rid of these detrimental
45:47beings." Well, they have no physical
45:49earth if you did that.
45:50So, it it doesn't work that way. That's
45:52that's like a knee-jerk reaction.
45:54These beings, the Luciferic beings need
45:56to exist. The Ahrimanic beings need to
45:58exist. You just can't let them get
46:00control over you by not understanding
46:02how spirit and matter work together
46:04beneficially. You can't have a purely
46:06polarized attitude. The detrimental
46:08thing happening today in society and
46:09politics is things are becoming
46:11completely polarized.
46:13And things just tend to complete
46:15destruction when that happens.
46:17So, the Ahrimanic beings became then
46:18known as Set.
46:20And of course, the Jews were in Egypt.
46:22When they left Egypt on the Exodus, then
46:25as they developed the Jewish Kabbalah
46:27out of the Egyptian mysteries,
46:29then Set became in Hebrew ha-Satan,
46:34which means literally the adversary in
46:36Hebrew, and became later in the
46:38Christian tradition Satan.
46:40Mhm.
46:41But one of the things that happened with
46:42losing the idea of two opposite
46:45unbalanced polarities and good is what's
46:48holding the balance in the center, one
46:50of the consequences of that is that in
46:53Europe, they lost the understanding that
46:56they had originally that Lucifer and
46:58Ahriman, Lucifer and Satan, are two
47:00completely different beings.
47:02And they began to treat them like, "Oh,
47:03that's just like That's just like the
47:05one adversary versus good." This
47:07completely corrupted people's
47:09understanding, which has negative
47:11consequences when you perceive spiritual
47:12beings, you'll think the Luciferic
47:14beings, the beings of light, are are
47:17somehow the exact same as the Christic
47:19uh Buddhic, but they are not.
47:22So, we have to have as an absolute
47:24minimum the ability to differentiate
47:27between the Luciferic beings and
47:30balanced spirituality, cuz people can
47:31have very unbalanced spirituality in
47:33their life that makes them not able to
47:35like do their daily things and
47:38you know, chop wood, carry water in the
47:39physical world. And then on the other
47:42side, the Ahrimanic beings, which tell
47:45you that there's no such thing as
47:46spirit. You're an accident of random
47:49mixing of chemicals that just came about
47:51through some bizarre chance.
47:55And you know, you have no spiritual
47:57nature, there is no morality, just get
48:00yours while you can get it. You're
48:01nothing but an animal. When you die,
48:03there's nothing else there. And they
48:05have this other thing. So, they create
48:07complete materialism. And this type of
48:11Darwinian survival of the fittest with
48:13no compassion or helping of others type
48:16of mindset.
48:18And so, it has direct influences on the
48:20human soul as well as being not being
48:22able to perceive realities on a higher
48:24spiritual level.
48:25Mhm. I'm I'm really curious because if
48:28these beings, as you call them, they're
48:31in different rankings,
48:33then you would expect that the higher
48:36rank you go, the more of a
48:39I guess balanced perspective of the
48:41universe and of life you would have. So,
48:44what led these beings maybe astray to
48:46one extreme and then another extreme?
48:50And why is it so important for us here
48:52on this Earth to learn the middle path?
48:56Well, these are big cosmic mysteries.
48:58And to give a very superficial short
49:00take on it,
49:02uh it's understood that the Luciferic
49:04beings at a particular point of their
49:05evolution was somewhat like
49:08uh human adolescents that want to go
49:11into their bedroom and shut the door and
49:13have their own space to develop their
49:15own self.
49:17So, Luciferic beings kind of separated
49:19themselves from the rest of evolution so
49:22they could focus on themselves. They
49:25even created these type of energetic
49:26containment vessels around them that's
49:29somewhat of the equivalent of a teenager
49:30going in and shutting the door to their
49:32room.
49:33Uh so, they could have this own space,
49:34but ended up separating them from cosmic
49:36evolution in a particular way.
49:38Huh.
49:39And so, that's one aspect of what
49:41created the Luciferic beings. Now, a lot
49:44of these Luciferic beings don't actually
49:45even intend harm. Mhm. Uh
49:48they just have a completely different
49:49mindset to us. And they don't understand
49:52they don't understand that if you did
49:53nothing but do heroin all day,
49:55that that's not going to work out well
49:57because they don't understand or support
50:00physical incarnation processes to begin
50:02with.
50:03Yeah.
50:04Then, on the other side, you have the
50:05Ahrimanic beings. Now, they were given
50:07the power to be able to create the
50:09physical world, and they fell in love
50:11with that, to be able to materialize
50:13mind into matter.
50:15And, unfortunately, a certain percentage
50:17of them
50:18then
50:20took this as a path of manipulative
50:22power
50:23to want to then get control over other
50:26beings that would use the manifestation
50:28process.
50:29So, one of the great goals for these
50:31beings, the Ahrimanic beings, is they
50:33would love to incarnate physically. They
50:36would love to incarnate as physical
50:37human beings. Now, a lot of this, the
50:40esoteric understanding of this, a lot of
50:42this today has been, and this is gets to
50:44be very confused and is a big topic in
50:46itself, has because people have lost
50:48understanding of non-physical spiritual
50:50realities, a lot of discussion today
50:52using modern science and science fiction
50:55concepts has all become things about
50:57ancient astronauts and about ETs and
51:00UFOs. All these things exist, but if you
51:04don't understand it in a spiritual
51:05context, it can be highly corruptive
51:07because it's if it you have nothing but
51:09an understanding of what actually
51:11non-physical spiritual beings and
51:12realities in a completely materialistic
51:15mindset of nothing but physical
51:18extraterrestrials,
51:20this can be a problem. But, you'll see
51:21that within the ET
51:23and UFO community type of thing, again,
51:26I'm not saying this doesn't exist.
51:27There's all type of phenomena here that
51:28actually exists, but you got to see it
51:30in a spiritual context, which is not
51:31what's being discussed these days.
51:33Mhm.
51:33That this has come in with the idea
51:35that, "Oh, these certain types of grays
51:37and things are wanting to take on human
51:39bodies and to incarnate physically, and
51:42all these things they're doing is for
51:43that purpose."
51:44That's It's kind of
51:46slightly
51:48torqued version of a much deeper
51:50spiritual thing that's going on here.
51:53Uh but that's the thing with these
51:55Ahrimanic beings. They love matter. They
51:58want to incarnate physically themselves,
51:59but they're not allowed to do so by even
52:02higher beings of beyond them.
52:04Uh because that would be like an adult
52:07child molester playing in the sandbox
52:09with little kids.
52:11It's like, "Oh, that would go bad fast."
52:13So, there's a whole thing about what
52:15used to be known as the four watchtowers
52:18and the energetic structures and sacred
52:21geometry that actually keep these types
52:25of beings from manifesting on the
52:26physical plane.
52:28And a lot of black magic stuff has
52:30always been about how do you break the
52:31four watchtowers and allow these beings
52:33to manifest at least for a short period
52:35of time on the physical plane within a
52:37magic circle or whatever. These types of
52:39things. Again, I'm just trying to
52:41connect a few dots for people for how
52:43this whole thing works. And the other
52:45part of this is that actually we should
52:47have compassion for Luciferic and
52:48Ahrimanic beings, although they'll
52:49completely screw you over if you give
52:51them the opportunity to do so.
52:52not careful.
52:53Uh because the the thing is they've
52:55actually made a sacrifice to be able to
52:57perform the function of that they're
52:59doing for us so that we can develop
53:02spiritual strength by resisting their
53:04influence or putting their influence
53:05into the correct perspective might be a
53:07better way to put it. That holds them in
53:10balance cuz you can't get rid of either
53:12of them.
53:12Yeah.
53:13Uh
53:14that's something that is a huge service
53:17to humanity. We cannot evolve without
53:18it. So, these beings in a sense took on
53:21a certain role for a particular period
53:23of cosmic evolution, not forever.
53:26That we need to have them do that. But
53:28some of them fell in love with the role
53:30and are very invested in it at this
53:31point.
53:32Yeah. So, they're part of the trial on
53:35the path. And you mentioned one of the
53:37first trials we get into is the ego
53:39inflation. These beings might be part of
53:41that trial as well. What other trials
53:44have you come across in your journey or
53:46have you seen with your students or
53:48people around you that we can have or
53:52take into account when we go on this any
53:54initiation path? What trials
53:57will we face on the hero's journey?
54:02Thank you. It's a great question and a
54:04very, very deep question. So, I I'll
54:07just touch briefly on some aspects of
54:09it. Again, one of the first challenges
54:11you have on the spiritual path you start
54:12to develop any understanding, any
54:14siddhas, any powers is the ego inflation
54:17challenge that we talked about a moment
54:19ago.
54:21But then there's the the fact that this
54:23path is a dynamic path.
54:27To stay on the middle
54:30pillar and the
54:32the middle way
54:34is a constant dynamic activity of not
54:37falling off to one direction or the
54:38other. And so, it has to You have to
54:40have constant course correction.
54:42You might think you're the best thing
54:43ever, but if you like get too caught up
54:46in that, then no matter how evolved you
54:48were, you can get pulled off and not
54:49know you're off the middle path. There's
54:51nothing there to show you clearly where
54:52it is.
54:53I'll give you a
54:54anecdote I like to tell with this. Years
54:56ago
54:57in the old TV show Miami Vice,
55:00the two main characters are talking
55:03and they're talking about the line that
55:05they shouldn't step over as like vice
55:07cops or whatever.
55:09And so, one of them asked the other is
55:12like
55:13uh
55:15do you ever step over the line? How do
55:16you know you're over the line?
55:18And this is like I think like Tubbs
55:20asking Crockett this. And Crockett
55:23responds, "I don't even see the line
55:26until I'm over it."
55:28And I thought that was a brilliant
55:30observation. We don't even see where
55:32that middle path line is until we're off
55:34to one side or the other and we have to
55:36come back. The great Russian
55:39uh
55:40esotericist Gurdjieff
55:42talked about the way that human beings
55:44start out on a particular trajectory.
55:46We're trying to get to
55:48what in Catholicism would be thought of
55:50as our teleological destination, that
55:52we're being pulled toward a particular
55:55uh
55:56a particular outcome, to become the
55:58being we're meant to become.
56:00Unfortunately, they lost the idea of
56:02reincarnation, and they now teach that
56:05that is not part of their dogma. So, you
56:06can't really understand what that's
56:07about to begin with. But originally,
56:09they had it. So, we're being pulled
56:11toward what we're meant to become.
56:14But Gurdjieff talks about as we're on
56:16that path facing the slings and arrows
56:19of outrageous fortune in daily life, we
56:21can start curling back around and not
56:23even know it. So, we're going in the
56:25opposite direction we thought we were
56:26going.
56:27U-turn.
56:27This happens to people all the time.
56:30So, uh he says that what's needed is
56:33corrective shocks. So, you're going
56:35toward your goal, and you're starting to
56:37turn, you don't even know it, and
56:39something happens in your life that's a
56:40corrective shock.
56:41Slapped in the face.
56:43Yes. You have a You have an accident,
56:45and no longer can you function easily in
56:47a physical body, and you've got to like
56:48take stock of everything. Or somebody
56:51that you loved and depended on dies. Or
56:54some challenge of some type
56:56uh comes up that makes you like stop
56:59everything and I can okay, where am I
57:01going?
57:01All your material belongings are taken
57:04away from you from one moment to the
57:05next.
57:06Exactly.
57:06Yes, in some type of terrible event. And
57:09so, these things are corrective shocks.
57:13So, this is a prelude to your question
57:16about what are some of the other trials
57:17that we have. Well, some of the trials
57:20are to deal with these corrective shocks
57:22when they come in
57:24and not completely lose our minds over
57:26it.
57:27It's easy to fall into why me, you know,
57:30why do I have to deal with this? This
57:32isn't fair. I don't deserve this. All
57:34this type of thing. We don't always
57:35understand the larger context around it.
57:38And this does not in any way excuse
57:40anyone who has victimized us or treated
57:42us badly.
57:44But those things also end up becoming a
57:46type of trial that we have to like keep
57:49our integrity, keep our minds together,
57:52not fall into close-heartedness,
57:55not fall into a desire for vengeance.
57:58These types of things, which is easy to
58:00say sitting here in a chair, you know,
58:02talking to you today. But if someone
58:03does something horrible to you, it's
58:04it's like hard to do.
58:05Yeah.
58:06But these are like some of the everyday
58:08challenges that we get. How do we deal
58:10with those corrective shocks? How do we
58:11deal with other types of
58:13of terrible events that happen in our
58:16life then and keep some type of
58:20positivity, some type of integrity in
58:23our own structure.
58:24That's that's a major thing. And again,
58:27as we as we move forward on the path,
58:30it's a constant dynamic thing to try to
58:32stay on the center.
58:33So, another major trial is always the
58:36relationship trial.
58:38It's because everybody has the
58:39relationship trial.
58:41Now, in ancient times they talked about
58:43trials in terms of elements. So, like
58:45there's a air trial and a fire trial and
58:47things like this. So, like an air trial
58:49might
58:49an air trial might be something like
58:52some challenge comes into your life,
58:53it's a trial, and you have to figure out
58:55the solution to this problem that's
58:56occurred in your life, but you have
58:58absolutely no physical sources of
59:01support or information to figure out
59:04what's the right thing to do or to solve
59:06this problem.
59:07You have to like pluck it out of the
59:08air. It's the air trial. That's just
59:10like one example.
59:12But again, back to the relationship
59:13trial. The relationship trial is that we
59:16are spirits of love and freedom.
59:18That's the our esoteric name for us in
59:21the Rosicrucian tradition. There's
59:22esoteric names for other
59:24What's that?
59:25They're polar opposites, too.
59:26They they are. Well, we could think of
59:28them as complementary opposites.
59:30Mhm.
59:30And so,
59:32you know, they're higher beings that
59:33have other names, like uh certain higher
59:35beings have names like the dynamis or
59:37the spirits of motion. And the
59:40kyriotetes are spirits of wisdom. And
59:43the thrones uh or
59:45uh there's all these different beings
59:47and the different names associated with
59:49them. So,
59:51we are the spirits of love and freedom.
59:54Now, that means that we are constantly
59:55trying to walk a middle path
59:58between our constant desire to unify
1:00:01with another human being to get back to
1:00:04the one, cuz we all came from the one.
1:00:06Yeah.
1:00:06Part of us knows and yearns for that
1:00:09state of
1:00:11communion with multiple beings or at
1:00:14least one being that would be like our
1:00:15romantic partner that would know us
1:00:18inside and out. And literally, when we
1:00:21embrace each other, we lose track of
1:00:23where we end and they begin. We become
1:00:25one great energetic form.
1:00:27Mhm.
1:00:28And that's something that is very deep
1:00:30in every human being as a yearning to
1:00:32find that soulmate, that partner, to
1:00:35connect, to be known. These things.
1:00:38So, that's part of it is to get back to
1:00:40that love. Is that's the force of union.
1:00:44That's going back to the one. But we
1:00:46have to hold that in balance with the
1:00:48freedom to be completely independent
1:00:52and to make our own way
1:00:54and not sell our freedom and
1:00:56independence for being with another
1:00:59person.
1:01:01And I don't know anybody that hasn't
1:01:03made the mistake before of selling their
1:01:05freedom and independence to be able to
1:01:08be with somebody that maybe they
1:01:10shouldn't have been with, but they have
1:01:11to give up their freedom and
1:01:12independence be partners with them.
1:01:15Yeah, losing ourselves, essentially.
1:01:17Uh absolutely. So, but again, it's very
1:01:21easy to like get polarized and do like
1:01:23one or the other. It's like, "Oh, I'm
1:01:24going to totally give away all of my
1:01:26thing and just be with this one person
1:01:28and be what they want and need
1:01:30and what they demand in some cases.
1:01:32Uh or I'm just going to be I'm not going
1:01:34to deal with relationships. I'm not
1:01:35going to deal with other people. I'm
1:01:36going to be completely independent."
1:01:38So, again, it's not a matter of going to
1:01:40one polarity or the other. It's never an
1:01:42answer to a question of that. It's
1:01:43always how do you balance it?
1:01:45So, we've been taught the lesson of
1:01:47rhythm.
1:01:48So, our breathing is rhythm. You can't
1:01:50just breathe in or just breathe out. You
1:01:52have to breathe in and breathe out. You
1:01:54can't walk just on one leg. You have two
1:01:56legs. So, you have to step with the left
1:01:58foot and then the right foot.
1:02:00So, the same thing is true here in
1:02:01relationship. We need to have a certain
1:02:03amount of time and space to for our
1:02:06freedom and independence and a certain
1:02:09amount of time and space for union with
1:02:12other people.
1:02:14And so, this is a massive trial. That's
1:02:17one of the hardest things for everybody.
1:02:19Just putting it in very practical terms.
1:02:21There are more esoteric spiritual trials
1:02:22that have to do with things about being
1:02:24able to navigate non-physical spaces and
1:02:26this type of thing. But, for that's like
1:02:28deeper down the road. Right now, you got
1:02:30to figure out how you're going to create
1:02:31a life where you get to have that union
1:02:34with one or more people and go back to
1:02:37the one cuz if you don't do that, you'll
1:02:38end up going insane.
1:02:40You'll literally start to create mental
1:02:43and emotional problems if you don't have
1:02:45that regular reconnection and alchemical
1:02:48merging with another person's energy
1:02:51field.
1:02:52It has very real consequences on the
1:02:54mind and the emotions. You have to have
1:02:56that.
1:02:57Like, think of children that grow up
1:02:58with no maternal care, with no Nobody
1:03:01hugs them. Nobody holds them. They
1:03:03develop terrible psychological and
1:03:05emotional problems.
1:03:07So, that's true for everybody.
1:03:09So, that's like a I think a very
1:03:10practical example. How do we find that
1:03:13rhythm, that balance to be able to unite
1:03:15with others or to be able to separate.
1:03:18And let me give you an esoteric
1:03:20sidelight of this.
1:03:22One of the things that you might
1:03:22perceive when you're doing advanced
1:03:24spiritual work is you might perceive
1:03:26what appears to be a great being, a
1:03:28non-physical being.
1:03:30And it's like, "Oh, this is a spiritual
1:03:31being of tremendous stature."
1:03:34And then you start to perceive that
1:03:37other beings are then separating
1:03:39themselves out of that being. They're
1:03:41like, literally, they were a part of
1:03:43that one being, but now they're
1:03:44separating out
1:03:45and doing their own thing. And you
1:03:48realize, "Oh, this is a being that"
1:03:50Samuel Sagan, the clair-
1:03:52clairvision school, had the great term
1:03:54combinessence.
1:03:56These are beings that can
1:03:58combine their essence together,
1:03:59combinessence with other beings, and
1:04:02form a great being.
1:04:04And so,
1:04:05they can then have that combinessence
1:04:08where all these higher angels can form
1:04:09together into one form.
1:04:11And then they can separate out at will,
1:04:14and come back together into the one when
1:04:16they choose.
1:04:17It's a great revelation for us in a
1:04:19non-physical way
1:04:21of a deeper aspect of this process of us
1:04:24balancing union with another person and
1:04:27separation. This also gets reflected
1:04:30when this astral process sometimes
1:04:33reflects in the physical world to
1:04:35physical sight
1:04:37of what people think of as a certain
1:04:38type of UFO phenomena.
1:04:41In which, out of nowhere, you'll get a a
1:04:44ball of light appearing. The ball of
1:04:46light can change colors, change size, do
1:04:49all kinds of things. And then multiple
1:04:51balls of light come out of it and fly
1:04:53around independently. And then they all
1:04:55come back to the initial sphere, and
1:04:58then it disappears.
1:05:00So, if we really understand the pattern
1:05:03behind these things, everything I've
1:05:04just discussed is linked together.
1:05:07They're revelations of the same process
1:05:09in
1:05:10different areas of manifestation.
1:05:13So, Robert, let me ask you another deep
1:05:15question. Is that what we are as well?
1:05:18Do we belong to another greater being
1:05:21and right now we're just sort of
1:05:23splintered out in googles of entities to
1:05:26then come back to the one source?
1:05:28That's absolutely right. So, if you
1:05:32still
1:05:33One of the problems we have today is
1:05:34that some of the treasures held in
1:05:36different spiritual traditions have been
1:05:38lost. Things that were amazing keys for
1:05:40the whole planet.
1:05:42Like the understanding of Shiva and
1:05:43Shakti in the Himalayan tradition is of
1:05:46unbelievable value for the entire
1:05:48planet.
1:05:49But it's been trivialized particularly
1:05:50outside of out of the Hindu tradition.
1:05:52People non-Hindu really trivialize it.
1:05:55They don't get it. There's something
1:05:56huge there.
1:05:58And so the same thing is true for our
1:05:59understanding of the Christos.
1:06:01In the early Christian centuries after
1:06:04the solar logos united with the body of
1:06:08a Jewish rabbi,
1:06:10Jesus, to become Jesus Christos,
1:06:13then, you know, it's like to understand
1:06:16the foundations of Christianity, this
1:06:18new type of initiation where human
1:06:20beings could take the sun spirit into
1:06:23themselves. The whole thing is like,
1:06:25what is the sun spirit? What is the
1:06:27solar logos? What is the Christos? How
1:06:29do we even understand this? How do we
1:06:31understand this new form of initiation?
1:06:33And so
1:06:35this all got lost in later Christianity.
1:06:37But if you go back to the original text,
1:06:39back to the book on first principles by
1:06:42the early church father Origen writing
1:06:45in the 3rd century AD in Alexandria,
1:06:48Egypt, he's very clear about what the
1:06:51nature of the Christ being is.
1:06:52He says, "People often talk about
1:06:54talking to God,
1:06:56but usually that's nonsense. If you're
1:06:58talking think you're talking to God,
1:06:59you're talking to a particular spiritual
1:07:01being.
1:07:02He says, "God is so vast. God is
1:07:04everything that you can perceive or even
1:07:06imagine with every
1:07:08use words?
1:07:09every incarnate being, every world of
1:07:11existence, everything.
1:07:14And so, at your level of consciousness,
1:07:17if you're talking to beings that's like
1:07:18telling you something like in words in
1:07:19your head, like, "Hey, you better do
1:07:21this."
1:07:22Is that the Godhead? I'm not going to
1:07:24say it's not, but it's like should have
1:07:26some appreciation for this is something
1:07:28so vast, so gigantic
1:07:32that we cannot directly perceive the
1:07:35nature of God. This was the point of
1:07:37origin.
1:07:38Uh we can't perceive it. So, that's at
1:07:41the Godhead level.
1:07:42Then it was understood that from the
1:07:44Godhead level, things go to the
1:07:45macrocosm level.
1:07:47Macrocosm level is like the planets and
1:07:50the stars and the beings that operate at
1:07:52that level.
1:07:53And so, the Kristos is the solar logos.
1:07:56He is the being of the sun.
1:07:59And
1:08:00so, as if you go back to the early text,
1:08:02it's not just that he's the son of God S
1:08:04O N, he's the son of God S U N. This is
1:08:07not some weird playing with words that
1:08:09I'm doing with you today. This goes back
1:08:10to the original text 2,000 years ago. It
1:08:13was fundamental.
1:08:14Yeah.
1:08:15You can find a lot of information about
1:08:16it by some modern books, like a book
1:08:18called Jesus Christ, Son of God S U N
1:08:22by David Fideler, which has fantastic
1:08:24information about how this was
1:08:25understood in the beginning.
1:08:27Uh this is the solar logos. So, we're
1:08:29taking the sun into ourselves. We're
1:08:31actually getting a union with this
1:08:33being. So, the understanding is that
1:08:35actually the Kristos is a kind of group
1:08:38soul of humanity.
1:08:40It is of the exact same nature as
1:08:42humanity, but on one scale higher.
1:08:46That's what the Kristos is. That's why
1:08:47we're so connected to the Kristos.
1:08:49Again, all of this has been lost today
1:08:51with the idea that Christianity is some
1:08:53type of sect
1:08:54or cult that is is separate from
1:08:58everything else. Early Early Christians
1:09:00would never have understood what people
1:09:01talk about today when they
1:09:04uh demonize other people in other
1:09:07religions and say, "Well, I'm a
1:09:09Christian, I'm saved, but no, you you're
1:09:11this and you're like following some
1:09:12demon and you're
1:09:14you're not saved." That would not have
1:09:15made any sense to early Christians cuz
1:09:17they understood the nature of the
1:09:18Christos
1:09:20was a being that we can all bring into
1:09:21ourselves, not I but Christ in me, as we
1:09:24bring our attention up to that higher
1:09:26level. This is not a metaphor, it's
1:09:28absolutely literal. It's also the basis
1:09:30of the Holy Grail tradition. Holy Grail
1:09:32is that our energy field is a Grail.
1:09:35It's a Grail cup, it's a torus, when you
1:09:37learn sacred geometry. And that force of
1:09:39the sun comes into the Grail cup. That
1:09:42was the imagery around the 9th century
1:09:44in Europe.
1:09:45And so that's an actual process. It's
1:09:47not an abstraction. You bring the
1:09:50Christos into your own body, not I but
1:09:52Christ in me,
1:09:53in such a way that your consciousness
1:09:56moves up to the level of a macrocosmic
1:09:58being, beyond our micro-cosmic. I think
1:10:01I'm Robert Gilbert living in the United
1:10:02States at this time period. Those are
1:10:04all like very contracted
1:10:08immediate identity structures. But this
1:10:11is like the larger macrocosmic part of
1:10:12it, where all of human beings are part
1:10:14of this unified thing. And Origen also
1:10:16made clear that, you know, the Christos
1:10:18itself is simply an emanation from the
1:10:21Godhead. And he said, "The Christos has
1:10:23all the qualities of the Godhead, but
1:10:25reduced in scale to the point that human
1:10:28beings can directly perceive it."
1:10:31And so
1:10:32the
1:10:33macrocosmic emanation of the Godhead,
1:10:35Christos,
1:10:36Mhm.
1:10:36microcosmic emanation of the Godhead
1:10:38through Christos,
1:10:40individual human beings.
1:10:43So when we actually unify back into the
1:10:44one,
1:10:47this is completely linked
1:10:49to the being of the Christos.
1:10:51Christ consciousness.
1:10:53And then that leads us back to the
1:10:55Godhead, that we are one with all
1:10:57beings. So, first is realizing we're one
1:11:00with all other human beings. These are
1:11:01just other shattered expressions of
1:11:03ourselves reflected outside of us.
1:11:07That's essential for any type of higher
1:11:08consciousness. But then, at that even
1:11:10higher level, at the godhead level,
1:11:12we're part of everything in in creation.
1:11:15And the quite literally, cuz everything
1:11:17came from the godhead as it moved from
1:11:20the godhead level to the macrocosmic and
1:11:22then to the microcosmic. So, that is
1:11:25giving you an example of what the the
1:11:28real teachings are, the deeper treasures
1:11:30are within
1:11:31uh spiritual traditions that have been
1:11:34lost today and terribly corrupted. That
1:11:37if you want to understand what's the
1:11:38nature of the the group soul of
1:11:40humanity, the large structure we're part
1:11:42of, it was already given out 2,000 years
1:11:44ago in Alexandria, Egypt.
1:11:46Ooh, let's go there. Let's go to Egypt,
1:11:49brother. Uh
1:11:50Okay.
1:11:51So, just to set the stage,
1:11:54you mentioned Darwin, and there was
1:11:56another scientist along that
1:11:59um Newton created Newtonian physics.
1:12:02Everything is matter, everything is
1:12:03physical.
1:12:04Mhm.
1:12:05And you're talking about that there's an
1:12:06invisible matrix of energy. And there's
1:12:09a matrix of energy around Earth where
1:12:11specific temples were placed. And back
1:12:15in ancient times, the number one point
1:12:17grid energy grid is in the Giza plateau.
1:12:22Mhm.
1:12:22So, let's travel to Egypt and really set
1:12:24the stage of of that magnificent
1:12:27civilization that they were receiving
1:12:29their teachings from Atlantis. Let's go
1:12:32way back there.
1:12:33So, in the Rosicrucian tradition,
1:12:35there's an understanding of time cycles.
1:12:38And the number that rules time cycles
1:12:40for the Rosicrucians is the number
1:12:42seven.
1:12:43So,
1:12:45there are particular epochs. The epoch
1:12:48before our current one, the big epoch,
1:12:51was the time of the Atlantean epoch.
1:12:53Now, lots of times today when people
1:12:54hear the word Atlantis, they think it's
1:12:56some type of modern new age invention.
1:12:58But, we have to be aware that this
1:13:00appears in text from 2,000 years ago
1:13:03written by Plato.
1:13:04Plato was actually writing up these
1:13:06dialogues between a Greek named Solon
1:13:09who went to Egypt and was trained by the
1:13:14Egyptian priests.
1:13:17So,
1:13:18the
1:13:21discussions that Solon had with these
1:13:23priests, one of them was around the
1:13:25priest telling him, "You Greeks are like
1:13:27little children. There is no ancient
1:13:29knowledge among you. Our knowledge here
1:13:31in Egypt comes directly from the
1:13:34previous civilization,
1:13:36which was Atlantis,
1:13:38which was destroyed in a water
1:13:40catastrophe and this type of thing. So,
1:13:42it comes from what the Greeks learned
1:13:45directly from the Egyptian priests, and
1:13:48it comes from texts that are thousands
1:13:49of years old. So, again, because people
1:13:52know so little today about historical
1:13:54fact, they think it's some modern new
1:13:56age invention. It's not. It's an ancient
1:13:58understanding. Just like, you know, the
1:14:00deluge myths all over the world
1:14:02obviously a part of an actual event that
1:14:04took place.
1:14:05Mhm.
1:14:06One of these global extinction types of
1:14:07things. So,
1:14:10the
1:14:11age after the Atlantean disaster,
1:14:14there's all these discussions of what's
1:14:15known as the secret doctrine in
1:14:17theosophy, which also has takes a
1:14:19particular form in Rosicrucianism and
1:14:22things like this, where
1:14:24the first post-Atlantean epoch
1:14:27uh was led by a leader from the sun
1:14:29oracle in Atlantis. The sun oracle being
1:14:33one of the highest of the oracle temple
1:14:35structures at that time. And it was led
1:14:38by a particular highly advanced initiate
1:14:41who's later known by multiple names. And
1:14:43the what he was known at that time was
1:14:45Manu.
1:14:46So, the laws of Manu are as the oldest
1:14:49book in the world.
1:14:50And it's from the Indian tradition
1:14:52because the idea here from the Secret
1:14:54Doctrine is that this particular
1:14:56initiate led the Exodus from Atlantis to
1:15:00the Indus Valley and settled what became
1:15:03the Vedic civilization
1:15:05in the Indus Valley and wrote the laws
1:15:07of Manu.
1:15:09Now, that high initiate would later be
1:15:11known
1:15:13uh under the name the king of
1:15:15righteousness, Melchizedek
1:15:17or Melchisedec in
1:15:20in a later time in the Middle East.
1:15:24And also in European times became the
1:15:27prototype for Parsifal in the Holy Grail
1:15:31legends.
1:15:32So,
1:15:34this movement then to the first
1:15:37post-Atlantean epoch, which was the
1:15:39Indian, then to the Persian Zoroastrian
1:15:42epoch, the first time that they could
1:15:44perceive the Ahrimanic beings' activity
1:15:46cuz they were becoming
1:15:48physicalized to that point that they
1:15:49could perceive that.
1:15:51And then the next one, the third
1:15:53post-Atlantean epoch, is the Egyptian
1:15:56period, which we could also call
1:15:58uh the Egyptian-Chaldean-Babylonian
1:16:01period. When we give the names these
1:16:03periods, these are the people in the
1:16:04world that are bringing in the new
1:16:07impulse for all of humanity at that
1:16:09time. Something new is coming into that
1:16:11civilization. It's the growing point.
1:16:14Yes. They're They're bringing in the new
1:16:16impulses for that time period. So, the
1:16:18Egyptians were doing that at that time.
1:16:21Now, the reason we're so fascinated with
1:16:22Egypt today, according to the
1:16:24Rosicrucian perspective,
1:16:25is that, and this is work of Rudolf
1:16:27Steiner,
1:16:28that after the ancient Egyptian, when
1:16:31the Egyptian began to decline, that was
1:16:33the time that the Romans were coming in.
1:16:36And so, the Romans began to get control
1:16:37in Egypt and these kind of things as
1:16:39they developed their world empire. So,
1:16:41the Egyptian
1:16:43uh
1:16:43empire was on top of the food chain for
1:16:46like
1:16:473,000 years, which is an insane amount
1:16:50of time compared to modern history. You
1:16:52know, the French were on top for a few
1:16:54years, the Spanish were on top for a few
1:16:56years, the British were on top for a few
1:16:57years, America's been on top for a few
1:17:00years, and being Americans we ignorantly
1:17:02think that that's going to last forever,
1:17:04but it ain't.
1:17:05So,
1:17:05Not if you understand the time cycles.
1:17:07That's right. That's like this stuff
1:17:09comes and goes. But, it's amazing the
1:17:11Egyptians stayed on top for 3,000 years.
1:17:13How did they do that? They did it
1:17:14because they had a very advanced
1:17:15spiritual science.
1:17:16But, again, that consciousness began to
1:17:18shift. Then it got into the Greco-Roman
1:17:21period,
1:17:22and then into the current period, which
1:17:24we could call the European period.
1:17:26Whether you like it or not, we can
1:17:27easily see that in history the Europeans
1:17:29became the dominant people on the Earth
1:17:32in recent time periods. That's how they
1:17:34became the colonialists. The people that
1:17:36go out and conquer everything else,
1:17:37they're the dominant people at that
1:17:39time.
1:17:40So, whether you like it or not, we have
1:17:42to say this is the European period.
1:17:43They've They've dominated the world.
1:17:45Again, I'll switch to something else.
1:17:47right? This is the sixth epoch.
1:17:49We're in the fifth epoch right now with
1:17:51the Europeans.
1:17:52The next one will be the sixth epoch.
1:17:54According to the Rosicrucians, that's
1:17:57going to be based in Eastern Europe.
1:17:59Eastern Europeans are the next people
1:18:00that are bringing in a great impulse.
1:18:02Wow.
1:18:03And then there'll be more things beyond
1:18:05that. But, one thing to point out here,
1:18:07uh that I've spoken about many times,
1:18:09but it's very important for you to
1:18:10understand, that to understand why we're
1:18:11so fascinated with Egypt today from the
1:18:13Rosicrucian perspective,
1:18:15is that
1:18:16these time periods are reflected in a
1:18:19particular geometric form with the
1:18:21numbers. So, you have the first, second,
1:18:24and third, and then the fourth period.
1:18:27The fourth period is a dividing line.
1:18:30And then the fifth
1:18:31period is a reflection of the third.
1:18:35The sixth period is a reflection of the
1:18:38second and the seventh period is a
1:18:40reflection of the first. We're currently
1:18:43in the fifth period which is a
1:18:44reflection of the third Egyptian period.
1:18:48So we're fascinated with Egypt and part
1:18:50of our task is to regain the knowledge
1:18:52of ancient Egypt, the masters of the net
1:18:54lineage.
1:18:55Bring it into a modern context with our
1:18:58current state of consciousness and our
1:19:00current
1:19:01global civilization. But it's not going
1:19:04to be exactly the same as it was before
1:19:06because now it's mirror imaged. We were
1:19:08moving toward more physicalization,
1:19:12more crystallization in the ancient
1:19:13Egyptian period.
1:19:15We're now moving into an etheric,
1:19:18an energetic renaissance. Now, we got
1:19:21very physicalized. We're super
1:19:23physicalized right now. That's why they
1:19:25were able to build these insane
1:19:27structures like the pyramids. Because
1:19:29they understood a very advanced energy
1:19:31science. And so that's why it was so
1:19:34life-transformative for me in this
1:19:36lifetime to be able to encounter Dr.
1:19:38Ibrahim Karim, the founder of modern
1:19:40Egyptian bio-geometry because he's
1:19:41brought this modern science
1:19:45of bio-geometry
1:19:47which we sometimes refer to as nature's
1:19:49own design language
1:19:51of shape, sound, color, motion, angle,
1:19:53proportion.
1:19:55And he's giving out all the secrets to
1:19:56this of how you actually design and work
1:19:59with energy fields. That's absolutely
1:20:01mind-blowing.
1:20:03And so when I first discovered his work
1:20:06around the year 2000,
1:20:08he was just starting to come to teach in
1:20:09the US at that time. Before that time,
1:20:11he had taught a few people in Holland.
1:20:13And
1:20:15other than that he kept a pretty low
1:20:17profile.
1:20:18And he came to the US. I I worked with
1:20:21him and then every time that I could
1:20:23connect with him, I went to his classes
1:20:25for years until he invited me to be the
1:20:28first person outside of Egypt allowed to
1:20:30teach his work publicly.
1:20:32And so, that was that was huge for me.
1:20:35And so, I've been doing that now for
1:20:37over 20 years.
1:20:38And so, when we then see the
1:20:41significance of the Egyptian work, and
1:20:44you just think, well, how do we regain
1:20:46this? We have to see that a modern
1:20:48initiate has brought this back, Dr.
1:20:50Ibrahim Karim.
1:20:52And this is an incredible opportunity to
1:20:54learn this. It wasn't until COVID in
1:20:562020 that we went from teaching this
1:20:58only in small
1:21:00classes live in a location that you had
1:21:03to travel to, to now we're teaching it
1:21:05online. Anybody anywhere can take it.
1:21:08And it's massively expanded the number
1:21:10of people learning this science. And
1:21:12that's why I said I'm so at the outset
1:21:14I'm so excited about bringing Dr. Karim
1:21:16from Egypt, who's going to be doing an
1:21:18event next year in the United States for
1:21:21people who have completed the advanced
1:21:23training in Biogeometry by that time.
1:21:26And so, this is again part of the
1:21:29importance of Egypt, and part of the
1:21:32work that I'm doing is to help Dr. Karim
1:21:34get his work out, along with the other
1:21:36spiritual science work that I do
1:21:38around that as well.
1:21:40Yeah. And you mentioned these neters, um
1:21:43that, you know, we we see ancient Egypt
1:21:45and we
1:21:46see that they had their gods, their
1:21:47goddesses. You said, no, they they
1:21:50weren't known as gods or goddesses, they
1:21:51were known as the neters, because they
1:21:53understood this energy grid. There was
1:21:56one particular being, um the ibis-headed
1:21:59uh Djeheuty or Thoth,
1:22:01that he was in many ways, in the emerald
1:22:04tablets, he talks about he was
1:22:06responsible for the building, he was the
1:22:08builder of the pyramids. So,
1:22:10what was the role of this particular
1:22:12being, um around that time, and will we
1:22:15see a manifestation of a being similar
1:22:18to that now that we are in the mirror
1:22:21aspect of of ancient Egypt at this time
1:22:24in the epoch?
1:22:25That's a great question. So, first I
1:22:27want to give credit to Dr. Karim for
1:22:29that particular insight about the
1:22:30neters.
1:22:32That didn't come from me. It's one thing
1:22:34that I I got from Ibrahim.
1:22:36And so,
1:22:38again, whenever you read an English
1:22:40language text that talks about, you
1:22:43know, gods and goddesses, Osiris, Isis,
1:22:47the original text in Egyptian
1:22:49hieroglyphs does not say god or goddess.
1:22:51It wasn't words that they used. It says
1:22:54neter or neteru. And so, this is a
1:22:57foundation for our modern English term
1:23:00nature.
1:23:01So, these are conscious forces of
1:23:03nature.
1:23:05In the Egyptian period, much more
1:23:07shamanic type of awareness, this was not
1:23:09a contradiction for them. For our modern
1:23:11consciousness, it's like, well, a force
1:23:13of nature we've been trained to think
1:23:14about that in the West today as some
1:23:17abstract clockwork background thing that
1:23:20has no consciousness, has no beingness,
1:23:22has no meaning or purpose. It just kind
1:23:24of happened.
1:23:26And so, we study it in modern science.
1:23:28But, at that time, they understood that
1:23:30behind every natural power, there is a
1:23:34conscious beingness, or what Ibrahim
1:23:37would refer to as a conscious energy
1:23:39system.
1:23:41And so,
1:23:42there's a way to communicate with the
1:23:44neters.
1:23:46So, they don't speak an earthly
1:23:47language.
1:23:48You know, they don't speak Russian or
1:23:50French or German. So, I mentioned to you
1:23:52before about packed thought forms that
1:23:55when you communicate with higher beings,
1:23:57they are communicating with you
1:23:59You have to develop the ability to
1:24:01perceive it, and that comes from
1:24:02activating centers above the head
1:24:06that they will transmit these packed
1:24:08thought forms to you, and in an instant,
1:24:10you get a tremendous amount of
1:24:12information.
1:24:13Very tightly packed together.
1:24:15If you had it it was not through
1:24:17physical words. Now, for a spiritual
1:24:20being to communicate to you in words,
1:24:21which they could do if they felt like
1:24:22it, that's a much lower level of
1:24:24manifestation.
1:24:26And when people even say things like,
1:24:27"Oh, I had God tell me this in words."
1:24:30Well, again, I don't want to offend
1:24:32anybody cuz people have like a lot of
1:24:33emotional investment in this thing. I'm
1:24:35not anyway
1:24:37saying anything negative about you or
1:24:38God. I'm just saying God is something
1:24:40really vast, and if you perceive what
1:24:43actually is communicating with you, it's
1:24:45probably a being of one of what is known
1:24:47to the in the West as the angelic
1:24:48hierarchies.
1:24:50And if they are expressing it to you in
1:24:52words,
1:24:53great. But, that's also kind of a sign
1:24:56of they're saying that you're at the
1:24:58level of development that they have to
1:25:00use words with you cuz you won't
1:25:02understand them cuz you haven't
1:25:03activated the centers above the head
1:25:05yet. Otherwise, it'd be coming in a
1:25:07different form. It'd be coming as a
1:25:08packed thought form.
1:25:09When they come to you, what is that
1:25:11experience like?
1:25:14It really is a matter you have to
1:25:15listen. It's just like you're with a
1:25:16person, you have to listen. You have to
1:25:18get quiet inside. You have to be
1:25:19completely non-reactive.
1:25:21Now, sometimes it'll come in kind of
1:25:23come in on their own and tell you
1:25:24something you need to hear, but you can
1:25:26also
1:25:27activate it by This is a larger topic.
1:25:30And what we teach about activating and
1:25:33structuring the human energy field, we
1:25:35after working with certain structures
1:25:37inside the body energy field, then we
1:25:39work with the ones that are above the
1:25:41head. Particularly if you look at
1:25:43Nepalese thangka paintings, you'll see
1:25:45very clear
1:25:46illustrations of energy centers above
1:25:49the head that have specific geometric
1:25:51forms. Those are the platforms that we
1:25:53have to use to communicate with these
1:25:54beings at that level.
1:25:56Because the level of voltage, as Samuel
1:26:00Sagan through the Clairvision School
1:26:01would say, the level of voltage or
1:26:02charge is so high at these centers that
1:26:06if you tried to bring it into the
1:26:07physical body, it would burn out the
1:26:09naughty subtle energy channels in the
1:26:10body. It must be operated from above the
1:26:13head. In the Biogeometry advanced
1:26:15training, connecting to this, Dr. Karim
1:26:17has practices related to old Egyptian
1:26:20knowledge for how you activate the
1:26:22centers above the head using particular
1:26:24hekau sounds of power.
1:26:27Mhm.
1:26:27Or activating it through certain
1:26:29movements of the body.
1:26:32But again, why would you want to
1:26:33activate them above the head? Because
1:26:35all these higher activities come in when
1:26:37you do so.
1:26:38So, in communication with uh
1:26:41non-physical beings, this is as part of
1:26:43the understanding of how this works. So,
1:26:46back to the original question about uh
1:26:48Djehuty and these all of these beings
1:26:51are representations of conscious forces
1:26:54of nature at a higher level.
1:26:57And so, to be able to communicate with
1:26:59these beings, I talked about the aspect
1:27:02of that with the pack thought forms. But
1:27:05within the Biogeometry work
1:27:08from Dr. Karim, he describes this in
1:27:11terms of you have to speak their
1:27:13language. And their language is the
1:27:16language of nature's design language.
1:27:20Cuz nature's design language, shape,
1:27:22sound, color, motion, angle, proportion
1:27:25is the neters' design language.
1:27:28It's exactly the same thing, but they
1:27:30understood in ancient Egypt
1:27:33that the neters are conscious beings
1:27:36that can be communicated with and not to
1:27:38some abstract clockwork forces around
1:27:41us.
1:27:42So, if we learn
1:27:46Sorry. Biogeometry
1:27:48and we learn nature's design language,
1:27:51we can communicate to these beings and
1:27:53have energetic exchanges with them
1:27:56through the forms that we develop using
1:27:59shape, sound, color, motion, angle,
1:28:00proportion. Why do they have such
1:28:02specific types of forms they use in
1:28:04ancient Egypt? It was for that reason.
1:28:08So, that's the That's the key idea right
1:28:11there.
1:28:12That this being Djhuty is one of many
1:28:14different types of beings, different
1:28:16types of natural forces that we can
1:28:18exchange energy and information with in
1:28:21a resonance process
1:28:23with understanding nature's design
1:28:25language. That's why when we teach
1:28:27Biogeometry, there's a foundation
1:28:29training where we teach you
1:28:31using derivatives from ancient Egyptian
1:28:33types of energy measurement tools
1:28:36to be able to detect the quality of
1:28:38invisible energy fields around or inside
1:28:42any person, place, or thing.
1:28:45And fundamental
1:28:48Sorry.
1:28:49Fundamental methods of being able to
1:28:53uh actively create patterns and forms
1:28:57that will interact with these forces.
1:28:59And we do that by starting people out in
1:29:01transforming the energy in their homes
1:29:03and offices with very straightforward
1:29:05work, very practical work. Then in the
1:29:07advanced training, we take it further.
1:29:10Much more advanced tools, much more
1:29:11advanced concepts. How do you activate
1:29:14the energy centers in and above the body
1:29:16with the Hekau sounds of power? How do
1:29:19we use a pattern from the Egyptian
1:29:20temple walls to be able to navigate
1:29:23through energy qualities on every plane
1:29:26level, seven different plane levels, and
1:29:29then all the subplanes of every plane.
1:29:32This is all practical work that we teach
1:29:34in the Biogeometry work. It really is a
1:29:36modern training for the masters of the
1:29:38net.
1:29:38Huh.
1:29:39Let's say someone finds themselves
1:29:42inside the Khafre pyramid, um in the
1:29:45King's Chamber,
1:29:46close to the sarcophagus.
1:29:49What is the role of the sounds of power
1:29:52and vibration when inside a structure
1:29:56like the pyramid? What What sort of
1:29:59things were they using vibration for um
1:30:02in ancient Egypt with these pyramids?
1:30:04Cuz we know they weren't just burial
1:30:06grounds for pharaohs.
1:30:08Mhm.
1:30:08Um what can someone do in these modern
1:30:10times if they want to leverage that
1:30:12power of the pyramids to activate
1:30:14themselves on this uh initiatory path?
1:30:18Well, this has many manifestations. So,
1:30:21specifically about the sound you were
1:30:23talking about before, using biogemetry
1:30:25methods you could test what sounds
1:30:28activate the resonance in the chamber
1:30:31or activate the resonance in the
1:30:32sarcophagus, these types of things.
1:30:35I remember when I first went to Egypt
1:30:36many years ago,
1:30:38I was very fortunate to be with a small
1:30:39group of people got access to the King's
1:30:41Chamber
1:30:43and we had a while in there before any
1:30:45other group came in.
1:30:47And just sitting
1:30:49on the edge of the sarcophagus
1:30:52totally changed my energy and my
1:30:54awareness at the time. Uh
1:30:56the vibrations are very powerful.
1:30:59And uh friend of mine, uh John Stuart
1:31:02Reid, who is uh works in cymatics
1:31:05imaging, which is creating visual images
1:31:07of sound, a fantastic field. He's
1:31:11developed a particular types of cymatics
1:31:13imaging devices where sounds can be
1:31:16translated into visual form. Very
1:31:18advanced work and he wrote a book many
1:31:20years ago called Egyptian Sonics about
1:31:24using the resonating principles in sense
1:31:26of sound resonance, although resonance
1:31:29itself is a much larger principle,
1:31:31inside the King's Chamber to activate
1:31:34the harmonics in the room and the power
1:31:36in those spaces. So,
1:31:39that type of work gives you an insight
1:31:41into the use of sound there.
1:31:43But they would do multiple things to
1:31:45create vibrational energetics in the
1:31:46space. And we have to take a look at why
1:31:49is there a pyramid there in the first
1:31:51place?
1:31:52So, number one, why is it there? And
1:31:55number two, why a pyramid? Why not some
1:31:57other geometric form?
1:31:59And so, one of the things that was
1:32:01rediscovered by French researchers in
1:32:03the early 1900s,
1:32:05we discussed some of this in the
1:32:06Biogeometry training, and I go much
1:32:08deeper into this in an online class that
1:32:12I teach called the Universal Vibrational
1:32:14Spectrum.
1:32:16And so, the French discovered that there
1:32:17are certain geometric forms that
1:32:19concentrate and direct energy in a
1:32:22particular way.
1:32:24So, there is a specific type of energy
1:32:26that the French refer to as negative
1:32:28green.
1:32:30And that later Russian and other
1:32:32researchers refer to as the spiritual
1:32:35carrier wave, and Dr. Karim uses that
1:32:37term spiritual carrier wave.
1:32:40That
1:32:41this is a carrier wave of energy that
1:32:45can penetrate through thicknesses of
1:32:47lead that cannot be penetrated by
1:32:49x-rays.
1:32:50And it is emanated by specific forms. If
1:32:54you take a sphere and cut it in half,
1:32:56geometrically, this is like splitting
1:32:59the atom.
1:33:00And so, a hemisphere will emanate this
1:33:03negative green carrier wave from its
1:33:06base.
1:33:07Mhm.
1:33:07A octahedron
1:33:10cut in half
1:33:11becomes
1:33:13two pyramids, and the pyramid, just like
1:33:16the hemisphere, emanates the negative
1:33:19green from its base.
1:33:21So, the pyramids would not be at that
1:33:23location at Giza plateau if it wasn't
1:33:25for the fact that Giza is a major world
1:33:29power spot.
1:33:30Wow.
1:33:30And in the ancient world, they used the
1:33:33pyramid form with its negative green
1:33:35projection power, but also because
1:33:38behind Why does it have negative green
1:33:40projection power? It is a form that is
1:33:43also connected to the astral plane.
1:33:45Different geometric shapes connect us
1:33:47with different planes of nature. The
1:33:50astral plane is the first plane of
1:33:51consciousness above the energetic level,
1:33:54the vitality, chi, key, ether, prana.
1:33:57Next one above it is the astral. In the
1:33:59human being it becomes the emotional
1:34:00body.
1:34:02But this
1:34:03this form of the pyramid becomes a
1:34:06astral resonance form to connect people
1:34:09to the first level of spirit, the first
1:34:11level of consciousness,
1:34:13and using the negative green
1:34:14transmission power on top of a major
1:34:17world power spot as part of the grid
1:34:19working, working with larger energetic
1:34:21matrices to create interconnected
1:34:25energetic grids on the earth for the
1:34:28optimal functioning of life energy on
1:34:30the planet.
1:34:32So that's a a few things there. So the
1:34:34first thing about the Egyptian sonics,
1:34:36look at the work of John Stuart Reid. He
1:34:39has a website on cymatics, c y m a t i c
1:34:44s.
1:34:45Uh fascinating stuff. And then for the
1:34:47other things I've talked about with the
1:34:49energetics in the space, the negative
1:34:51green carrier wave, the creation of
1:34:52vibrational matrices, you'll find that
1:34:55in the biogeometry trainings.
1:34:56Yeah.
1:34:57Just just out of curiosity, were these
1:34:59energetic points on earth, were they
1:35:02created or were they already, I guess,
1:35:06there before humans?
1:35:09What is that like and why were they
1:35:10placed at those specific points?
1:35:13As far as we know, they are naturally
1:35:16existing.
1:35:17And the exact same way that in a human
1:35:20body, the acupuncture meridians and the
1:35:24acupuncture points preexist the physical
1:35:27body.
1:35:29So there's an understanding in Chinese
1:35:32medicine of how the
1:35:34evolving
1:35:35uh fetus in the womb, as it develops the
1:35:38physical form, that physical form is
1:35:39coming about through the development of
1:35:41the energy channels and energy points.
1:35:45And it then differentiates out further.
1:35:48So
1:35:49the same thing is true for the earth.
1:35:51As the Earth is developing as a living
1:35:53being, a living energetic totality,
1:35:57there are lines of energy connecting
1:35:59points of energy,
1:36:01and one of the major largest points, one
1:36:04of the major chakras, we could say, on
1:36:06the Earth would be Giza Plateau, because
1:36:08we have seven big chakras in the human
1:36:11body, and then we have a whole variety
1:36:13of a lot of smaller chakras connected
1:36:15through meridians and things like this.
1:36:18So, that's that's really a key uh point
1:36:21here.
1:36:22Now, in recent research, there's been
1:36:24some fantastic uh
1:36:27recent material that discusses
1:36:31uh what is called The Spark in the
1:36:32Machine, a book called The Spark in the
1:36:34Machine, and in it the the writer talks
1:36:37about the way that he found that these
1:36:40points in acupuncture become the
1:36:42branching points of stem cells in the
1:36:44human body to create the form of the
1:36:47human body.
1:36:48So, all of our modern stem cell
1:36:50technology,
1:36:51because again, first I might get like a
1:36:53flipper type of thing that would be the
1:36:55foundation of my hand, but what then
1:36:57allows me to create every individual
1:36:59finger?
1:37:00There's a acupuncture point that becomes
1:37:03the differentiation programming point
1:37:06for the stem cell, which could become
1:37:07anything, to take on that physical form.
1:37:10So, that recent work,
1:37:12like uh The Spark in the Machine, shows
1:37:14this interface between the energetic
1:37:16matrix that the physical forms around,
1:37:19and how that then programs the stem cell
1:37:21differentiation to become something
1:37:23actually physical.
1:37:25So, the same thing is true for the Earth
1:37:26itself. It formed like this. You have
1:37:29the major power spots, you have the
1:37:30minor power spots,
1:37:32and Giza Plateau is a major power spot.
1:37:34So, probably existing from the very
1:37:36beginning. Now, it is possible for us to
1:37:38create a power spot,
1:37:40and another name that is sometimes given
1:37:42to Biogeometry is the science of
1:37:44creating sacred power spots.
1:37:46So, we learn a lot in Biogeometry about
1:37:48amplifying already existing power spots
1:37:51on the earth and in the human body.
1:37:54But, we can also create a power spot
1:37:56through creating concentrations of a
1:37:57specific energetic power. That's called
1:38:00the BG3 in Biogeometry, but it's the
1:38:04original
1:38:06unified center
1:38:08that manifests all through creation that
1:38:10has this universal harmonizing balancing
1:38:13force. It's a unified field force. If
1:38:16you know how to apply it and concentrate
1:38:18it, which we teach you in the
1:38:20Biogeometry trainings,
1:38:22then you can create your own power spot
1:38:23in any location. You can make your home
1:38:25a power spot.
1:38:26So, there are naturally occurring power
1:38:28spots of vast size and intensity, and
1:38:31then we can create our own power spots
1:38:33through using the science, which is the
1:38:36Neters own design language. The Neters
1:38:38created the power spot on the earth,
1:38:40but once we learn the Neters design
1:38:41language, we in a microcosmic level can
1:38:44then apply it and create our own power
1:38:46spot.
1:38:48And Robert, to bring things full circle,
1:38:51um we started off with the Dodecahedron,
1:38:53and we talked a little bit we mentioned
1:38:55Oppenheimer.
1:38:57Mhm.
1:38:58During your time as a nuclear biological
1:39:02chemical warfare defense instructor at
1:39:05instructor at the US Marine Corps,
1:39:07you found um
1:39:09got declassified photos from the
1:39:11Manhattan Project.
1:39:12Declassified photos.
1:39:14Declassified declassified photos.
1:39:16I didn't reveal any classified
1:39:17information. Yes, go ahead.
1:39:19I'm already putting
1:39:21trials on you.
1:39:22Don't get me in trouble. Yeah, go ahead.
1:39:25You found um the form of the atomic
1:39:28bomb, and how it was related to the
1:39:32Dodecahedron,
1:39:34and that how humanity can misuse
1:39:38the sacred geometry forms.
1:39:41And what would you advise for that?
1:39:43Because we're at a dangerous point
1:39:45where, you know, we can create bombs
1:39:47that can blow up whole spots on the
1:39:50planet. And we obviously that would
1:39:52terminate the species if we start a a
1:39:54nuclear war right now. So,
1:39:57how do we use this sacred knowledge
1:39:58information
1:40:00for good, for light purposes, um
1:40:03instead of misusing them
1:40:05we did with the atomic bomb.
1:40:08So, first let me clarify for everybody
1:40:10what we're talking about here. Uh if you
1:40:12haven't seen my discussion of it in the
1:40:13Gaia TV series, when I was, as you said,
1:40:17a nuclear biological chemical warfare
1:40:19defense specialist and teacher in the US
1:40:22Marine Corps,
1:40:23uh
1:40:24they had published all of these
1:40:25declassified, publicly available, you
1:40:27can find them in a book, images of what
1:40:30the the first nuclear weapons look like,
1:40:33the first atomic bombs, things like what
1:40:35they called the gadget. And then Fat Man
1:40:37Boy and all these types of first atomic
1:40:40bombs. And they show some of this in
1:40:42Oppenheimer, I understand. I've seen the
1:40:43movie yet, I'd like to, I plan to see
1:40:45it.
1:40:45Yeah, it's really good.
1:40:46But I know I've seen clips from it where
1:40:47they show like the gadget. So, it's like
1:40:49the spherical form.
1:40:51And if you take away the spherical form
1:40:54of it, you will see that the inside of
1:40:56the first atomic bomb
1:40:59is a dodecahedron. Because they found
1:41:02they had to create these 12 pentagonal
1:41:05mirrors
1:41:06to get the critical mass to happen with
1:41:10the atomic explosion.
1:41:11Huh.
1:41:12So, again, I'm not revealing any
1:41:14government secrets here. All of this
1:41:15stuff has been published. This is
1:41:16considered to be old technology at this
1:41:18point. Uh
1:41:19so, you shouldn't
1:41:20you a whistleblower out here, classified
1:41:23documents.
1:41:24I'm not going to I'm not going to go
1:41:25down that road.
1:41:26I bet.
1:41:26But anyway, if you understand the
1:41:28historical context behind this, we
1:41:30mentioned before that in ancient Greece,
1:41:33they knew there were five platonic
1:41:34solids. They got that knowledge from the
1:41:35Egyptians. They said they got it from
1:41:37the Egyptians and some from the
1:41:38Babylonians. That's why they say
1:41:39Egyptian-Chaldean-Babylonian
1:41:41period.
1:41:42So,
1:41:43they knew about the five perfect
1:41:45divisions of a sphere.
1:41:47And I guess mentioned they taught four
1:41:49of them publicly, but in many circles
1:41:51the the fifth one was kept secret. It
1:41:54was considered to be too sacred and too
1:41:56powerful and too dangerous. The idea was
1:41:59that if it was the power of the fifth
1:42:01Platonic solid,
1:42:02which is the fifth element,
1:42:05uh because the other four are earth,
1:42:06air, fire, and water. So, the fifth one
1:42:09is the fifth element, the ether, the
1:42:11dynamic life power behind everything.
1:42:14And that's the dodecahedron.
1:42:16It's hinted at in Plato's writings. He
1:42:19He can't say it outright cuz he's an
1:42:20initiate of the Pythagorean school and
1:42:22he can't talk about it too publicly. But
1:42:24he says in one of his writings, "The
1:42:26earth when seen from above looks like a
1:42:2812-sided leather ball."
1:42:30What he means by that is that the earth
1:42:31is based on a dodecahedron, which we now
1:42:34know is the case, but that's like
1:42:35another story about scientific research
1:42:37and such.
1:42:39So,
1:42:40they
1:42:41they understood that the dodecahedron
1:42:43was something that because it connected
1:42:45to the primal life force, if that
1:42:47pattern was misused, it could create
1:42:49terrible destruction.
1:42:51And that's exactly what happened.
1:42:53So, the first nuclear weapon is based on
1:42:55a dodecahedron. It is the manifestation
1:42:58of the warning from the Pythagorean
1:42:59school. The thing that shocked me when I
1:43:02found this is I have never found anyone
1:43:04that has ever mentioned this.
1:43:07I'm like, "How is this possible that no
1:43:09one ever mentioned this? This is like so
1:43:10clear,
1:43:12this link between the two." So, I wanted
1:43:13to bring that out to people. So, the
1:43:15question about, you know, how do we
1:43:17avoid using this knowledge for
1:43:19destructive purposes and use it for
1:43:20beneficial purposes? I don't have any
1:43:22one particular guideline for it. But one
1:43:25thing we have to be very careful of is
1:43:27that we do not try to disturb or distort
1:43:32any natural matrices if we do not
1:43:35understand the forces that create and
1:43:38sustain them.
1:43:39So, there's a deeper thing, I believe,
1:43:41behind the nuclear explosions. Is it a
1:43:44coincidence that all of these UFO
1:43:47sightings and the huge beginning of this
1:43:49whole UFO era happened in the American
1:43:52Southwest, in the areas where they were
1:43:55blowing up nuclear bombs, like in the
1:43:57period immediately after it? I don't
1:44:00think so. So, I will discuss in various
1:44:02places this idea that
1:44:06in the ancient world, they they talked
1:44:07about the four watchtowers, a type of
1:44:10geometric grid that surrounds the Earth
1:44:12sustained by the Archangels.
1:44:15You see actual drawings of it in kind of
1:44:18a symbolic way from the Rosicrucians,
1:44:20like Robert Flood, from 400 years ago.
1:44:25And so, there have even been certain
1:44:27black magic lodges in recent times that
1:44:29said that their goal was to break the
1:44:30four watchtowers and let all this stuff
1:44:33in.
1:44:34So, the thing about the atomic blasts is
1:44:38that they break space-time.
1:44:40So, they create holes in space-time.
1:44:42They distort space-time.
1:44:45And they break some of the geometric
1:44:47protection that we have within the four
1:44:51watchtower structure.
1:44:53And so, once you broke that, things
1:44:55could come through from non-physical
1:44:57levels and manifest physically in a way
1:44:59that they couldn't before.
1:45:01So, the thing to bear in mind is here,
1:45:03it's not a great idea to break apart the
1:45:05four watchtowers. It's not a great idea
1:45:08to destroy energetic matrices when you
1:45:10don't know what you're doing.
1:45:12And we should take that as a principle
1:45:15today, because we're now at the point
1:45:17using the same sacred geometric
1:45:19knowledge, which they don't call sacred
1:45:21geometry in modern science, they have
1:45:22other words for it, but it's basically
1:45:24the exact same thing that was known to
1:45:25the Greeks and the Egyptians.
1:45:27We now have the field of nanotechnology
1:45:31where they're able to create matter atom
1:45:33by atom. We can create any material
1:45:37through nanotechnology.
1:45:39It doesn't have to occur naturally
1:45:40anymore. We can make it. It for certain
1:45:42types of materials it may take a
1:45:43tremendous amount of money and input to
1:45:45make it, but we can make it.
1:45:47So, we need to be very careful. If we're
1:45:49going to start constructing matter atom
1:45:51by atom, we've reached that point. We'd
1:45:53better understand what are the natural
1:45:55energetic conditions that life requires
1:45:59before we start distorting it and
1:46:01breaking it apart the way we did with
1:46:03nuclear blasts
1:46:05when we're working with this type of new
1:46:06technology. Again, for me, this all
1:46:09comes back to Biogeometry and why it's
1:46:11so important because Biogeometry will
1:46:13teach anyone how to be able to
1:46:15understand and directly detect and
1:46:18balance energetic fields
1:46:20for the rest of their lives.
1:46:22Uh because we give you the knowledge and
1:46:24the skill base to actually be able to do
1:46:26that because the energy is primary, the
1:46:28form is secondary. The form is always a
1:46:31crystallization of the energy field. So,
1:46:34we have to get back to understanding the
1:46:36energetics of the human body, the
1:46:39energetics of all biological life,
1:46:41Biogeometry,
1:46:43and apply that to new scientific and
1:46:46medical discoveries which may on the
1:46:48surface appear to be great, but if you
1:46:49test it energetically, it's creating a
1:46:51distorted matrix which in the end can be
1:46:54highly destructive.
1:46:57Brother, this has been such a gift. I
1:47:00could go on for hours talking to you. Oh
1:47:03my god.
1:47:05Um
1:47:06we end every podcast with a a segment
1:47:09called the final trio which are just
1:47:10rapid-fire questions that you can answer
1:47:12in any way that you want. Um but before
1:47:15that, I know everyone's going to want to
1:47:17know more about your work, where they
1:47:19can find you, your courses. You
1:47:20scattered around all these resources for
1:47:22us, but where would you send people in
1:47:24sort of like a centralized direction to
1:47:26connect you further?
1:47:28Well, thank you so much. Yeah, my
1:47:30website is vesica.org
1:47:33and vesica is spelled v as in victor e s
1:47:37i c a
1:47:39.org and vesica is a sacred geometry
1:47:42form that has a perfect overlap of two
1:47:44circles or spheres creating a type of
1:47:47middle way
1:47:50Hyperspace portal.
1:47:51It really is. So, vesica.org is the
1:47:54website and that's where I have the
1:47:57resources for which primarily now online
1:48:00classes but we're going to start doing
1:48:01some live ones again here very soon.
1:48:04Yeah.
1:48:04Including some new material. So, there's
1:48:07there's a track for spiritual science.
1:48:09And if you want to start in the
1:48:09spiritual science track with the type of
1:48:11stuff I was talking about before for how
1:48:13we activate human consciousness and many
1:48:16of the
1:48:17the patterns and systems known in the
1:48:20ancient world for how you most
1:48:21effectively activate your consciousness
1:48:24and energy to develop to the next level.
1:48:26The first class in that track is called
1:48:29essential teachings and practices of
1:48:31spiritual science. And that's a good
1:48:33place to start. Then we have all these
1:48:35classes on vibrational science,
1:48:37vibrational healing sciences.
1:48:39And so, to understand the old the French
1:48:42work from the last century where they
1:48:43rediscovered many secrets of the
1:48:45Egyptian temple science,
1:48:47I've got a series called the vibrational
1:48:50testing and healing series with
1:48:52individual classes within it that teach
1:48:54many of the French rediscoveries of the
1:48:55Egyptian energy work.
1:48:57Then of course, we under license from my
1:48:59friend and mentor Dr. Karim, we teach
1:49:01the bio-geometry courses.
1:49:04And by the time this will come out,
1:49:06we're going to be doing some in February
1:49:07of 2024.
1:49:09Mhm.
1:49:09And then keep doing them afterwards. And
1:49:11we have a foundation training you take
1:49:13first and then there's an advanced
1:49:14training
1:49:15that anyone can take anywhere in the
1:49:17world as long as you have internet
1:49:18access.
1:49:20And that also is gives you more
1:49:22information about the Biogeometry system
1:49:25and about other things that we'll be
1:49:26doing with Dr. Karim coming up. So, that
1:49:29along with our various social media, you
1:49:32know, we have things with Facebook and
1:49:33Instagram and these types of things. If
1:49:35you'd like to join that, that's where we
1:49:37give out our announcements. So, thank
1:49:38you very much for letting me mention
1:49:40that.
1:49:41Well, brother, I feel like I'm going to
1:49:42be a lifelong student of your work and
1:49:45what you're unfolding with Dr. Karim.
1:49:48And hopefully we inspire thousands more
1:49:51uh to join because I feel like this is
1:49:54transitional education for humanity and
1:49:57this into this new epoch. We're
1:49:59remembering so many things, so it's a
1:50:00beautiful process. So, thank you for
1:50:03being so committed and disciplined um
1:50:06and and very integral with your work. Um
1:50:09I really appreciate that.
1:50:11For the final trio, the first question I
1:50:13had for you is
1:50:15what does uh as above, so below mean to
1:50:18you?
1:50:20It means that everything that exists in
1:50:22our world comes as a reflection of the
1:50:25exact same sacred geometric pattern at a
1:50:28non-physical world above us.
1:50:31That's what you find in all the ancient
1:50:32traditions.
1:50:34When the Greeks talk about the ideal
1:50:37world and the world of forms, this is a
1:50:40non-physical blueprint level above the
1:50:43physical that then manifest into the
1:50:46energy matrix, which then manifest the
1:50:49physical level. So, everything in this
1:50:51world is a direct manifestation of the
1:50:55exact same thing that exists above us in
1:50:58a consciousness space and in a
1:51:01qualitative energetic space.
1:51:04And if you understand that, it opens up
1:51:06many many mysteries and many practical
1:51:09applications.
1:51:10I I that. I see behind you, you have a
1:51:14light that says spiritual awakening. So
1:51:17Yes.
1:51:17the next question is what is your
1:51:19formula
1:51:21for someone awakening spiritually right
1:51:24now?
1:51:25So in what I mentioned before in the
1:51:27spiritual science track
1:51:29I give in these online classes what I
1:51:32think are some of the most important
1:51:34foundations
1:51:35for spiritual awakening in a way that is
1:51:38healthy that is stable
1:51:41that you can integrate into your energy
1:51:43system not just for this lifetime, but
1:51:46for the lifetimes that follow. This is
1:51:47all about structuring the subtle bodies.
1:51:50And so this
1:51:51I give in the essential teachings and
1:51:53practices of spiritual science where I
1:51:55recommend people start. I give absolute
1:51:58foundations for the types of
1:52:00consciousness practices that will allow
1:52:03you to develop further. And particularly
1:52:05I I go into great detail about the six
1:52:09Rosicrucian exercises that allow you to
1:52:14activate the entire body of energy
1:52:16through creating an organizing center
1:52:18through the activation of the heart.
1:52:20Because if you don't activate this,
1:52:22there is no organizing center as you
1:52:24develop parts of yourself.
1:52:26So that the matrix that is created is
1:52:30not stable.
1:52:31So
1:52:33I have many other things there too, but
1:52:34that's like some of the things as an
1:52:36example on this pathway that I found
1:52:38because it's not just in one tradition.
1:52:40something that I've made up. It's
1:52:41something that you find as a fundamental
1:52:44in many many core traditions. And I try
1:52:47to bring it out in a clearer way than
1:52:48it's been brought out before.
1:52:50And then for example in the second class
1:52:52in the
1:52:53spiritual science track the one of
1:52:55connecting to spiritual realities that's
1:52:58where I give specific instructions for
1:53:00like how do you activate the energy
1:53:02centers above the head
1:53:04that allow the reception of the packed
1:53:06thought form from higher beings etc. So
1:53:09I've put into these courses things I
1:53:10think haven't been clarified properly in
1:53:13modern circles and that anyone can learn
1:53:16online and start practicing.
1:53:19I love that. This last question
1:53:21hopefully is not the last. I would love
1:53:23to continue our conversations Robert. Um
1:53:26This question is called the time capsule
1:53:28question.
1:53:29So it requires us to travel out a bit
1:53:32into the future around 15 20 years. The
1:53:35reason I chose those years was because
1:53:38I feel like that is when my generation
1:53:41generation Z are going to be stepping
1:53:43into leadership positions all around the
1:53:45world.
1:53:46And this is a hypothetical scenario of
1:53:50where we're going to get all of these
1:53:51leaders together in one room and there's
1:53:53going to be a bunch of
1:53:55time capsules laying around
1:53:58and each guest that has been on the show
1:54:00has their own time capsule.
1:54:02And in this time capsule you can leave
1:54:05anything that you want inside of it for
1:54:08the next generation of leaders the
1:54:10leaders of the future.
1:54:12It doesn't have to be something
1:54:13physical. It could be
1:54:15sacred geometrical pattern. It could be
1:54:18a frequency of vibration. It could be
1:54:20anything that you want
1:54:22but knowing that the next generation is
1:54:24going to open it and they're going to be
1:54:26equipped with the tools to
1:54:29lead into the new era in the golden age.
1:54:31So what would you include in the time
1:54:34capsule?
1:54:35That's a great question. I love it
1:54:37because I've often thought of this and
1:54:40it's why I do the work that I do today.
1:54:43To be honest the
1:54:45online courses that I'm doing right now
1:54:48are meant to be preserved not just for
1:54:50people today but for the people in the
1:54:53coming generations and the coming
1:54:55leaders. But I'm doing my best to
1:54:57clarify a lot of information that
1:54:59sometimes is is hard to find in a in a
1:55:01clear form. So, I would put in the
1:55:05That's not to toot my horn, but I mean
1:55:06that I've made that my purpose.
1:55:09It's not that anything I do is perfect.
1:55:10It's like this says I've intended to
1:55:11create this as something that could last
1:55:13and go on.
1:55:15So, it would be the courses that I've
1:55:16created, as well as the collected works
1:55:18of Rudolf Steiner, as well as the
1:55:20collected work of Dr. Ibrahim Karim.
1:55:24And I think that those will give a
1:55:25tremendous access to essential knowledge
1:55:28for the next round of leaders.
1:55:31And I I do want to say related to this
1:55:34question
1:55:35about your generation and the
1:55:36generations to come
1:55:38that the current generation has been
1:55:40done very, very wrong
1:55:43by the people in modern schooling
1:55:45systems that they have not had an
1:55:47adequate education. It's not their
1:55:49fault. People that put together our
1:55:51educational system, particularly in the
1:55:52United States, have not created a good
1:55:54educational system and have not given
1:55:56them the things that they need to know
1:55:59to create this new world.
1:56:01And so, but, you know, we're dynamic
1:56:05living beings and we can
1:56:07we can see that what we got in school is
1:56:09probably not the real deal and what we
1:56:10needed to learn and people are searching
1:56:12for it today.
1:56:14Yeah.
1:56:14So, again, these bodies of work I think
1:56:16do fill in a lot of the blanks that
1:56:18you're not going to be getting elsewhere
1:56:20along with educating oneself as to how
1:56:23societal structures, economics,
1:56:26politics, medicine actually work to be
1:56:28able to protect ourselves from all the
1:56:30machinations going on today.
1:56:32Yeah.
1:56:33Well, brother, I wanted just to honor
1:56:34you for being a curator of wisdom. Um
1:56:38this has been such a joy. I can't think
1:56:41of a better Thanksgiving uh to end the
1:56:43day with talking to you, brother. It's
1:56:45been you know, the biggest pleasure. I
1:56:48would love to continue our conversations
1:56:50and I know that
1:56:51by you sparking the light within
1:56:53yourself, you're already sparking
1:56:55millions of lives. So, I just really
1:56:57appreciate you
1:56:58uh for joining me today, for joining us
1:57:01here, and it's been such such a
1:57:03pleasure. So, I thank you so much.
1:57:06Wonderful. Thank you so much for having
1:57:07me. I'll be delighted to be on again.
1:57:09Thanks again.
1:57:10Awesome. Awesome. We'll make it happen.
1:57:12Thank you, brother.

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