Confessions of BTK - [MSNBC Reports] - Serial Killer Documentary — Transcript
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- 0:00on this edition of MSNBC reports
- 0:02something drove me to do this normal
- 0:04people just don't do this for more than
- 0:0630 years he lived Among Us father scout
- 0:09leader serial killer I am ptk I'm the
- 0:13guy there after now exclusive jailhouse
- 0:15recordings obtained by NBC News reveal
- 0:18the Twisted mind and motives of the
- 0:20notorious killer Dennis Raider the man
- 0:23called BTK that's been a big thing with
- 0:26me it's having bound and tith his own
- 0:29chilling words reveal the monster inside
- 0:31the man still craving attention I really
- 0:34feel pretty good I feel like I'm like a
- 0:36star right now no remorse little emotion
- 0:40he just talks like he's coming home from
- 0:42a day at the office tears only for
- 0:46himself you can't go
- 0:48out out fresh air walk your dog hug your
- 0:52wife a minute by minute year-by-year
- 0:55account of Raiders crimes and the
- 0:57shattered families left behind
- 1:00a beautiful loving kind gentle person
- 1:05being murdered and dumped out in the
- 1:07ditch like a bag of dirty laundry
- 1:09sentenced to life Nancy and all of his
- 1:12victims will be waiting with God and
- 1:15watching him as he burns in Hell you'll
- 1:18hear new details about the capture of
- 1:20the killer who eluded police for three
- 1:22decades what nailed him was his huis he
- 1:25went too far Ed Magnus with exclusive
- 1:27tapes that take us inside the mind of
- 1:30BTK he's just evil evil personified and
- 1:35now with confessions of BTK here is
- 1:37Stone Phillips good evening what was so
- 1:41remarkable about the capture of the
- 1:42serial killer called BTK was that the
- 1:44man himself seemed so unremarkable when
- 1:47police announced this father of two
- 1:49Dennis raer was the killer who had
- 1:51prayed on parents children women the
- 1:53mystery only deepened who is he what
- 1:56drove him tonight videotapes of a
- 1:59conversation with a killer broadcast for
- 2:01the first time might provide some
- 2:03insight this jailhouse interview
- 2:05disturbing as it is might also offer
- 2:07insight to the families of btk's victims
- 2:09who have struggled for decades with the
- 2:11painful question why here's Ed
- 2:16[Music]
- 2:18Magnus Joseph Otero a champion boxer and
- 2:22Air Force veteran killed at 38 his wife
- 2:25Julie proud mother of their five
- 2:27children was 34
- 2:30their daughter Josephine was just 11
- 2:32years old and Son Joseph Jr was nine
- 2:36Kathy bright pretty and popular whose
- 2:38life ended when she was
- 2:4021 Shirley vianne 24 and the mother of
- 2:44three sang in her church
- 2:46choir Nancy Fox worked two jobs to try
- 2:49to get ahead she was
- 2:5125 Marine hedge mother of four was
- 2:5553 Vicky waggly cared for children in
- 2:58her home including her her own to she
- 3:01was
- 3:0228 Dolores Davis a grandmother and
- 3:05secretary retired at age 62 just months
- 3:09before she was
- 3:10murdered 10 innocent people murdered to
- 3:14satisfy the Twisted needs of one selfish
- 3:17man a man who for more than 30 years
- 3:20frustrated police taunted the media and
- 3:23terrorized the citizens of Witchita
- 3:25Kansas BTK seemed uncatchable everyone
- 3:30wondered who he was where he was when a
- 3:32most unlikely man who' lived among them
- 3:35all along Dennis Raider was
- 3:38arrested I am
- 3:41BTK I'm I'm the guy there after 100% on
- 3:45this program you'll see new information
- 3:48that offers insight into the Deviant
- 3:50mind of Dennis Raider if I had never
- 3:52gotone into sexual fantasies really off
- 3:54the deep in I never became what I was he
- 3:57is just the most unique unprecedented
- 4:02combination of
- 4:05perversion packaged to look like a human
- 4:07being but I've ever seen him you'll hear
- 4:09his excuses on why he says he had to
- 4:12kill uh they fantasies are what got me
- 4:15in trouble I just went from one fantasy
- 4:18to bigger and bigger bigger PR soon was
- 4:20involved in murder and then that fueled
- 4:23the next one and it just went on and on
- 4:25there is one denst rator and that's a
- 4:27murderer that's a coward all told in an
- 4:30appallingly matter OFA Manner and put a
- 4:33gar over his neck and pulled up on it
- 4:36that's when I guess factor x whatever
- 4:37the monster to or totally then there's
- 4:40no monster in him he is the monster
- 4:42himself tonight an exclusive jailhouse
- 4:46interview with the man who named himself
- 4:48BTK for his propensity to bind torture
- 4:52and kill his victims we'll examine
- 4:54Dennis Raider's three decades long reign
- 4:56of terror and the exhaustive police
- 4:59investigation that finally caught him
- 5:01we'll also get an inside look at a man
- 5:04with two lives a husband a father a cub
- 5:07scout leader and church president living
- 5:09unassumingly in his community but also a
- 5:12man who secretly hunted down and killed
- 5:1510 innocent people and then bragged
- 5:17about it in his insatiable thirst for
- 5:20attention all right this interview
- 5:22obtained by NBC news after it was
- 5:25completed was conducted by a Harvard
- 5:27trained forensic psychologist Robert
- 5:29Mand
- 5:30who performs more than a 100 evaluations
- 5:32for criminal and civil cases each year
- 5:35he was hired by the defense team to
- 5:37assess Raiders sanity go farther why
- 5:39don't you just shut it down I say I
- 5:41can't I can't this specific conversation
- 5:44took place just a couple of hours after
- 5:46Raider had pleaded guilty to 10 counts
- 5:48of murder in June and put on what many
- 5:51people thought was a chilling
- 5:52performance in court as you listen to
- 5:55what he says from behind bars to see
- 5:57what light it may shed keep in mind
- 5:59Raider knew he was being taped and knew
- 6:01that it might be seen on National
- 6:03Television if you're looking for remorse
- 6:06from the BTK killer you won't find it
- 6:08here really I was just a little
- 6:09embarrassed in front of the world uh but
- 6:13uh not totally
- 6:15and you know I it didn't bother me too
- 6:18bad uh you know I had I could relax a
- 6:20little bit I had water to drink so I I
- 6:23didn't really feel too bad about it
- 6:25Dennis Raider was a HomeTown boy one of
- 6:27four Sons raised in the Witchita area by
- 6:30churchgoing Lutheran parents but while
- 6:32Raider appeared a clean-cut high school
- 6:35senior in this 1963 yearbook his
- 6:38writings speak of his already having
- 6:40bizarre sexual fantasies he kept them
- 6:43hidden as he served his country in the
- 6:44Air Force then married a girl from home
- 6:47in
- 6:471971 but a couple of years later Raider
- 6:50could no longer keep those fantasies
- 6:52locked only in his mind his obsession
- 6:55with sex and bondage evolved into
- 6:58deviant violent Acts carried out on real
- 7:00people and ultimately led to murder I
- 7:04got this fantasy I started working out
- 7:05this fantasy in my mind and once that
- 7:08potential that person become a fantasy I
- 7:10can just loop loop it over I lay in bed
- 7:13at night thinking about this person the
- 7:16events and how it's going to happen and
- 7:17it become a real almost like a picture
- 7:19show you know I wanted to go ahead and
- 7:21produce it and direct it and go through
- 7:23with it no matter what the costs were
- 7:25the the
- 7:26consequences uh this that was going to
- 7:28happen one way or another maybe not that
- 7:30day but it was going to happen no one
- 7:32knows for sure why Raider had to kill to
- 7:35fulfill those fantasies but in this
- 7:37interview with the psychologist Raider
- 7:39says that he picked his first victims
- 7:41members of the ottero family utterly at
- 7:44random in late
- 7:461973 he recently had been laid off from
- 7:48a job and says he was feeling down and
- 7:51out at the time and had begun trolling
- 7:54as he put it in certain neighborhoods
- 7:56including along Edgemore Drive where the
- 7:58otos lived well that neighborhood I
- 8:02guess became a what I call a
- 8:04haunt as I call it I had special appeal
- 8:08to it I've been there I started knowing
- 8:10the roads I knew the people you I drive
- 8:12by watch Cars people pull out of their
- 8:14homes and people go wrote telephone
- 8:16numbers down wrote addresses down this
- 8:19is how it really started right here is
- 8:21by hunts the that area the edore area
- 8:24was my first big haunt Julia Tero her
- 8:27husband and their five children lived on
- 8:29Edmore then and it was just Mrs otero's
- 8:32terrible misfortune that she happened to
- 8:34catch Dennis Raider's eye while he was
- 8:36driving down her street she came out of
- 8:39the house and took the kids to school so
- 8:40I followed him to school and I thought
- 8:43well that's a corner house that's a
- 8:45possibility and I was in between work
- 8:48Idle Hands what is it Idle Hands what's
- 8:52Workshop yes and all these things seem
- 8:54to happen most the time when I had Idle
- 8:56Hands M uh I had just lost a job
- 9:00cessa uh that was demoralizing to me so
- 9:03anyway they became a potential Target uh
- 9:06so they were convenient convenient uh
- 9:09how did they fuel the sexual fantasy
- 9:11then was theref about Mrs auro is
- 9:14attractive and then I saw Josephine too
- 9:17Josephine was the oto's 11-year-old
- 9:20daughter so I must have had that
- 9:23somewhere in my mind a younger person
- 9:24that must have locked in on me it would
- 9:26be nearly 2 months before Raider Act did
- 9:29on the sexual fantasy involving Mrs
- 9:31Otero and her daughter which he says
- 9:34began brewing in his brain and when he
- 9:37finally did it would establish his
- 9:39pattern of brutality and deception
- 9:41toward all of his victims Raider broke
- 9:44into the home of the objects of his
- 9:46obsession in January
- 9:481974 he says he entered the home that
- 9:51day a very anxious man though he
- 9:53recounts the story with a strange lack
- 9:56of emotion we were all stream you know
- 9:59and and all sudden I already cut the
- 10:02phone line I already cut the phone line
- 10:03and and it's funny cuz I left my knife I
- 10:06left the Cutters
- 10:08there and I can't had come back and get
- 10:10those later but uh I then the door
- 10:12opened so here I am you know so do I
- 10:15just walk out the back door and they
- 10:16call the police or I go for it and I
- 10:19went for it chilling details of his
- 10:21first killings and of his victim's final
- 10:24words Mrs lero had woke up and uh and
- 10:28she actually said said um have God God
- 10:31have mercy on your soul when confessions
- 10:34of BTK
- 10:38continues when Dennis Raider broke into
- 10:40the otero's home even though he was
- 10:42brandishing a gun he says the family
- 10:45didn't take him too seriously at first
- 10:48what happened once they saw you okay
- 10:51well they thought it was a joke uh I
- 10:52went in I think it was a younger or t
- 10:54they were all in the kitchen they were
- 10:55making sandwich male or female no it was
- 10:58a younger the bo Junior Joseph Raider
- 11:01says to keep the family calm he made up
- 11:04a story about why he was there Mr
- 11:07actually stepped up and told him I was
- 11:09to come in for some uh food I was wanted
- 11:12in California or wanted I needed some
- 11:14food and water and some money and
- 11:18transportation that was my Roose to kind
- 11:20of calm him down he kind of laughed a
- 11:22little bit he said well this is a joke
- 11:24who said you were my brother-in-law
- 11:26Raider says the family bought his lie
- 11:28about being on the run from the law and
- 11:30not wanting to hurt them and so at
- 11:33gunpoint they acques to his tying up all
- 11:36four of them mother and father and
- 11:38younger son and daughter without a
- 11:40struggle so they were cooperating with
- 11:42you 100% And that's probably was their
- 11:45demise if they probably struggled and
- 11:46fought with me that would have been a
- 11:48different story but they felt fairly
- 11:50comfortable so that's what I was going
- 11:52to do as Raider tells this story like he
- 11:55does so often he paints his own conduct
- 11:57in the best possible light
- 12:00so he says he took pains to make his
- 12:02victims feel even more comfortable by
- 12:04actually loosening some of the binds
- 12:06around their hands and feet I'm trying
- 12:08to comfort them as much as I could to
- 12:10keep him quiet because you actually were
- 12:12worried about it both okay well yeah go
- 12:16I'm a bad guy I care for people you know
- 12:18have concerns for people so and I hadn't
- 12:22really crossed that path yet where I was
- 12:23going to kill the people yet so I was in
- 12:25still that concern mode what you're
- 12:27seeing here is a very
- 12:30early form of a future serial killer
- 12:33who's still trying to decide what it is
- 12:35he's going to get out of these
- 12:36crimes we asked James Allen Fox one of
- 12:40the nation's leading criminologists and
- 12:42a professor at Northeastern University
- 12:44to give his analysis of this interview
- 12:47he has studied serial killers for 25
- 12:49years and has written numerous books his
- 12:51most recent one on serial killers
- 12:54includes BTK he wants to fulfill his
- 12:57fantasy but it's necessary for them to
- 13:00feel excessive suffering at this stage
- 13:03he hadn't yet made a decision to kill I
- 13:05had all control
- 13:06completely uh and then I and then went
- 13:09in the other room and I thought do I do
- 13:12I just leave or what they already know
- 13:14me my my face so I went back and put a
- 13:17plastic bag over mr's head and and put a
- 13:21garnet over his neck and pulled up on it
- 13:23and that's when it they really hit the
- 13:25fan then cuz they all could see what I
- 13:27was doing Raider describ tries first
- 13:29strangling the mother and father while
- 13:32their 9-year-old son and 11-year-old
- 13:34daughter watched although he is
- 13:36describing acts of unspeakable cruelty
- 13:39his voice is utterly devoid of emotion
- 13:42which makes listening to it that much
- 13:43harder kids were watching this yes they
- 13:45were watching it they were screaming and
- 13:47hollering did you want to move them from
- 13:49the scene at all no no I had to get in
- 13:52control they it was really noisy they
- 13:54were you know they were screaming and
- 13:57the noises bother yeah noises bother me
- 13:59and I the mail man will be out there or
- 14:00somebody be walking by so I had to
- 14:02control it very quickly he says he found
- 14:04the noise annoying because only looks at
- 14:08these events from his own perspective
- 14:10this is all a script designed to please
- 14:14him because remember it was almost like
- 14:16these people weren't real they were just
- 14:18actors and they didn't matter What
- 14:21mattered was his enjoyment and the kid
- 14:23screaming was just taken away from his
- 14:25enjoying all of this stuff how can he
- 14:27how can he get aroused with all these
- 14:30kids screaming he completely dehumanizes
- 14:33yes the
- 14:34kids Sarah Kell are very good at that
- 14:37that makes it possible for them to kill
- 14:39it was just something that I had to
- 14:42do uh once I started with M ter I knew I
- 14:46had to do all I had to do all four of
- 14:48them uh it's like an execution once you
- 14:51started there was Witnesses you had to
- 14:53do it all the way around for someone who
- 14:56seems so callous you might assume Raider
- 14:58was always always a cooly efficient
- 15:00killer but the way he tells it Raider
- 15:03didn't have a clue how much force it
- 15:04took to end a life and so tried several
- 15:08times to strangle Mrs Otero only to have
- 15:10her wake up again during the woman's
- 15:13last desperate struggle for
- 15:15Consciousness Raider says she was fully
- 15:17aware he was snuffing out the lives of
- 15:19her husband and two children in what he
- 15:23says were her last words to him Mrs
- 15:25otero's Humanity shines against the
- 15:28Killer inhumanity
- 15:29Mrs lero had woke up and U and she
- 15:33actually
- 15:34said have God God have mercy on your
- 15:37soul that's what she
- 15:39said put her
- 15:41down
- 15:45permanently this woman who probably
- 15:49knows now that she might be going to
- 15:53die she is generous with you asking God
- 15:58to have mercy on you Soul mhm
- 16:01yeah yeah pretty generous
- 16:05thing to
- 16:07tell kill you that's killed and tortured
- 16:11her
- 16:12family and is about to do the same to
- 16:15her Raider eventually took young
- 16:18Josephine Otero down to the basement of
- 16:20her home and hanged her from a pipe the
- 16:24police found Sean near Josephine's
- 16:27body and going forward
- 16:31Recollections of what he had done with
- 16:33these victims fueled his desire to do it
- 16:36again Raider says now the whole
- 16:39experience left him quaking well I was
- 16:41really un not a sexual High I was just
- 16:44scared High I was really nervous swea
- 16:47and I had sweat running off me all over
- 16:48the place and I just you I had gloves on
- 16:52I had PE clothes they were just full
- 16:54water
- 16:56sweat was really my clothes were just so
- 16:59sweat very nervous not like a master
- 17:02criminal at all this was my first my
- 17:05first time that i' never crossed that
- 17:08barrier several hours later Charlie ooto
- 17:12then 15 and his sister Carman then 13
- 17:15came home from school as I walked
- 17:17through the back door I noticed the
- 17:19kitchen was in disarray um things were
- 17:22on the floor didn't look right and I
- 17:24yelled out as anybody home that's when I
- 17:27heard my sister cry out to come quick I
- 17:30ran through the hallway down to the
- 17:31bedroom and I found Carmen with my
- 17:34parents uh my father was tied up his
- 17:37eyes were bulging his tongue was about
- 17:38bit off my mother was on the bed she
- 17:42didn't even look like my mother and uh I
- 17:45looked at my dad and I could I could
- 17:47smell the death and the fear in the room
- 17:50Charlie and Carmen had not seen what had
- 17:52happened to their younger brother and
- 17:54sister when they were taken to the
- 17:55police station they say they told police
- 17:58to make sure Jo Jose Jr and Josephine
- 18:00did not enter the home so I was telling
- 18:02the police the whole time go to Josie
- 18:05and Joey's school and keep them from
- 18:07coming home I do not want them to come
- 18:09home and find the house the way it is
- 18:11with police everywhere
- 18:13we were afraid of of what they would see
- 18:17um we were at the police department for
- 18:19quite a while and we kept asking them
- 18:20you know did you get a hold of the
- 18:22little ones and finally they they
- 18:24finally told us you don't have to worry
- 18:26about that um um were killed also when
- 18:30they told me about Josie and Joey I just
- 18:33died inside after that day I lost my
- 18:36religion instantly the minute I saw my
- 18:38mother I said there cannot be a God not
- 18:40only can there not be a God but I hate
- 18:42him if he is a God if there is
- 18:44one a despair not difficult to
- 18:47understand from a man whose mother
- 18:49father sister and brother were
- 18:51slaughtered in their own home horribly
- 18:54and
- 18:55inexplicably while the oos were the
- 18:57first they would not be the last people
- 18:59to fall victim to Dennis Raiders hellish
- 19:02World more bodies more suffering loved
- 19:05ones more questions about who he was why
- 19:09he was doing
- 19:13this probing deeper into a dark mind I
- 19:17don't think it was actually the person
- 19:18that I was after I think it was the
- 19:19dream it just an object that's how it
- 19:21work a catted mouse game with the police
- 19:24begins when confessions of BTK continues
- 19:28when Witchita police learned that two
- 19:30children and their parents had been
- 19:32murdered they of course looked at the
- 19:34likeliest suspects people who knew the
- 19:36family police however were about to
- 19:38learn that they were dealing with a
- 19:40serial killer a man who three decades
- 19:42later would offer details about his
- 19:44crimes and his callousness in tapes
- 19:47never broadcast before again Edie
- 19:52Magnus after murdering four members of
- 19:55the Otero family Dennis Raider spent the
- 19:58next several years killing again and
- 20:00again and again his next three victims
- 20:03were all young women in this interview
- 20:06with the psychologist Raider dismisses
- 20:08each victim as a project he says he'd
- 20:11Begin by stalking stalking stage is when
- 20:14you start learning more about your
- 20:15victims potential victims uh went to the
- 20:18library I looked up their names that
- 20:20address cross reference and called them
- 20:22a couple of times drove F there whenever
- 20:24I could and each time he struck Raider
- 20:27said he was armed with what he calls his
- 20:30hit kit kit contain what uh plastic bags
- 20:34rope tape uh knife gun all those would
- 20:38be the kit they' be where I could have
- 20:39them in the house and gather them up
- 20:41tools that would come to define the work
- 20:43of BTK the victims were often discovered
- 20:46bound with tape or rope tied in unusual
- 20:49knots you had to have the control which
- 20:51is the bonding that's been a big thing
- 20:53with me my sexual fantasy is if I'm if
- 20:57I'm going to kill a victim or do
- 20:59something a victim is have them bound
- 21:01and
- 21:02tied um now somewhere along the
- 21:07line in my dreams I had what they call
- 21:10torture
- 21:11chambers and to relieve your sexual
- 21:13fantasies you have to go to the the kill
- 21:163 months after the ottero murders in
- 21:18April of
- 21:191974 Raider's next victim was Kathy
- 21:22brigh a 21-year-old college student once
- 21:26again he' selected her randomly while
- 21:28driving down her street as he told the
- 21:30court in June and I saw her go in the
- 21:32house with somebody else and I thought
- 21:34that's a possibility Raider's plan was
- 21:36to lie in wait and overtake Cathy when
- 21:38she came home but the plan went ay when
- 21:41she unexpectedly showed up with her
- 21:43brother Kevin Raiders said in court he
- 21:45was able to get brother and sister tied
- 21:48up but the knots that bound Kevin were
- 21:50not holding were you armed with a
- 21:52handgun at that time also yes I had a
- 21:54handgun what happened when you came I
- 21:56actually had two handguns
- 21:59um well I started strangling the either
- 22:01the uh gett broke or he broke his bonds
- 22:04and he jumped up real quick like I
- 22:06pulled my gun and quickly shot in hit
- 22:09him in the head he fell over I could see
- 22:12the blood and Raider said he thought
- 22:14Kevin was dead and turned to strangle
- 22:17Kathy when he heard Kevin move the two
- 22:19men struggled again and Raider shot him
- 22:21for a second time in the head he then
- 22:24continued trying to strangle Cathy but
- 22:26was unsuccessful and and so stabbed her
- 22:29multiple times in the chest meanwhile
- 22:32much to Raider's surprise Kevin had
- 22:34somehow managed to escape though his
- 22:36head wounds from the gunshots left him
- 22:38unable to clearly describe the killer to
- 22:40police I thought the police were coming
- 22:42at that time I heard the door open I
- 22:44thought no that's it and I stepped out
- 22:47there and he I can see him running down
- 22:48the street so I quickly cleaned up
- 22:50everything that I could and left 6
- 22:53months later in October 1974 Raider
- 22:56announced himself to authorities in the
- 22:59first of many letters he sent to
- 23:00newspapers and other media Outlets
- 23:02communic that would come to include
- 23:04poems and puzzles it began a campaign
- 23:07that would reveal his other motive to
- 23:09kill publicity a twisted desire for
- 23:12celebrity a sick Obsession that Raider
- 23:15like some other serial killers had to be
- 23:17known and feared to get credit for all
- 23:20his handiwork it was Raider who came up
- 23:22with BTK as a name for himself I just
- 23:25put in one of the first letters I was
- 23:28always r i put it out that first I think
- 23:29it was just buying torture kill now I
- 23:32had a label on me like the like the
- 23:35Green River killar and Son of Sam and a
- 23:39whole slew of others The Boston
- 23:42Strangler the police now knew the
- 23:44murders of the Otero family and Kathy
- 23:46brigh were linked that they had a serial
- 23:48killer in their midst for tactical
- 23:51reasons though it would be several years
- 23:53before they disclosed that information
- 23:55to the public still they wanted to
- 23:58communic Comm unicate with the
- 23:59mysterious Strangler police quietly
- 24:01placed a classified ad in the big
- 24:03Hometown daily BTK help is available
- 24:07there was no response and Raider did not
- 24:09kill again for 3 years you know it
- 24:12wasn't something I just could do all the
- 24:13time so whenever it was convenient it
- 24:15would have been easier probably if you
- 24:17were like a spy or something where you
- 24:18could go sit there and watch but I
- 24:20didn't have that I had to work under
- 24:23camouflage then in March 1977 Raider
- 24:26struck again his victim sure vianne 24
- 24:29years old he said in court he'd watched
- 24:32her young son walk into the house and
- 24:35spontaneously chose that family to
- 24:37victimize I kind of forced myself in I
- 24:40just walked in just opened the door
- 24:42walked in and then pulled a pistol
- 24:44Shirley vianne was home with her three
- 24:46small children whom Raider coralled into
- 24:49a bathroom uh the kids were really
- 24:51banging on the door holler screaming
- 24:53it's horrifying to remember that Raider
- 24:55himself was a young father at this time
- 24:58his own son was not yet two but with the
- 25:01sounds of the Vian children in the
- 25:03background he said he simply worked as
- 25:05fast as he could comforted her a little
- 25:08bit and then went ahead and tigh it up
- 25:09and then put a bag a bag overhead and
- 25:12strangled her in another admission that
- 25:15reveals Raider's depravity he told the
- 25:17psychologist the thrill had little to do
- 25:20with the kill or for that matter with
- 25:22the victim herself and I don't think it
- 25:24was actually the person that I was after
- 25:26I think it was the dream uh I know
- 25:28that's not really nice to say about a
- 25:30person but they were basically an object
- 25:32they're just an object that's how it
- 25:33work I had more satisfaction building up
- 25:36to it and afterwards than I did the
- 25:38actual killing of the person many serial
- 25:41killers objectify their victim they
- 25:43dehumanize them they're tools they're
- 25:45instruments for their own Pleasures how
- 25:46does someone who is a married young
- 25:51father mhm objectify people and kill
- 25:54them the process is called
- 25:56compartmentalization
- 25:58many people able to divide the world
- 26:00into those they care about and love
- 26:03truly and everyone else who's Expendable
- 26:06he says that he had more satisfaction
- 26:09anticipating his kills and in the
- 26:11aftermath of killing than he did in the
- 26:15actual killing that's his fantasy the
- 26:17planning process the stalking the
- 26:20hunting is very enjoyable to him and the
- 26:26aftermath once he's killed to see that
- 26:28he to see what he's done that's
- 26:31fulfilling too that's when he would
- 26:32literally climax the sexual fantasies
- 26:36the obsession with bondage Raider claims
- 26:38it's been swirling in his head since he
- 26:40was a child he remembers being aroused
- 26:43as a young child when his mother would
- 26:45spank him Raider has written in letters
- 26:48which no one's sure are true that he
- 26:50secretly perused SNM magazines as a boy
- 26:54stole panties peeped in Windows he
- 26:56writes of hanging a cat and then a dog
- 27:00how does sexual
- 27:02fantasy and even an obsession with
- 27:04bondage lead to murder it doesn't
- 27:07necessarily what makes serial killers
- 27:09different than other people who might
- 27:11fantasize about power dominance control
- 27:13is that they do not have a legitimate
- 27:16way to satisfy their need for power so
- 27:19they take they take and grab that power
- 27:22in the most violent way at the end of
- 27:241977 in December Dennis Raider killed
- 27:27his seventh victim Nancy Fox uh broke in
- 27:31and waited for her to come home in the
- 27:33kitchen this time Raider's plans went
- 27:36smoothly as the single working girl who
- 27:38was just 25 came home alone I confronted
- 27:42her uh told her there I was a uh I had a
- 27:45problem sexual problem that I would have
- 27:47to tie up and have sex with her Raider
- 27:50said he handcuffed and tied Nancy Fox
- 27:53strangled her with a belt left his
- 27:55Telltale seamen by the body and got out
- 27:58without a hitch then he called the
- 28:00police Raider actually had the audacity
- 28:02to phone 911 and alert authorities to
- 28:05his own crime you will find a homicide
- 28:09at
- 28:10843 South persing ncy Fox sorry sir I
- 28:14can't understand you what is your
- 28:17address gave
- 28:2084 in the jail house interview Raider
- 28:23said in hindsight he thinks that call
- 28:25was dumb that was kind of a that was
- 28:27kind of an impulse really a really
- 28:29stupid thing to do because uh they I
- 28:32left my voice pattern and my voice on
- 28:34there and still Raider was not done
- 28:38communicating the following month he
- 28:40sent a poem written with a child's
- 28:42printing set on an index card to the
- 28:44Witchita Eagle Newspaper the poem
- 28:46patterned after a nursery rhyme referred
- 28:49to Shirley vian's murder several days
- 28:52later he sent another letter the most
- 28:54disturbing one yet the one that finally
- 28:57put the killer on news and put the
- 28:59community in a tail spin what kind of
- 29:02leads do you have we have absolutely
- 29:04nothing that will point us to any one
- 29:06particular
- 29:08individual a killer now in the spotlight
- 29:11he craves he absolutely terrorized the
- 29:13community everyone was a suspect the
- 29:15fear was palpable when confessions of
- 29:18BTK continues I sat in my office and
- 29:22read his account of what he had
- 29:24done and I wasn't ready for that it was
- 29:28February
- 29:291978 and then TV news director Ron loen
- 29:32was reading with disgust and revulsion a
- 29:35letter that had arrived in his Newsroom
- 29:37at cake tv there was no doubt in my mind
- 29:40it was from BTK in a two-page single
- 29:43space letter Raider using the name BTK
- 29:46again announced himself as a serial
- 29:48killer and then went even further in his
- 29:51bid for publicity comparing himself to
- 29:54Son of Sam in New York Jack the Ripper
- 29:56in London and the hillside Strangler in
- 29:58Los Angeles claiming they were all
- 30:00driven to kill by what he called factor
- 30:03x it seems senseless but we cannot help
- 30:06it he wrote there is no help no cure
- 30:10except death or being caught and put
- 30:12away he was making it clear that uh he
- 30:16wanted to be uh elevated to the serial
- 30:19killer Hall of Fame this is the league
- 30:21that he said he should be in he listed
- 30:2415 to 17 additional serial killers
- 30:28uh Infamous serial killers Through the
- 30:30Ages Through the Ages BTK is a
- 30:34student was the first thing that flashed
- 30:36through my mind of Serial murders along
- 30:39with a lurid description of the Otero
- 30:41killings loen says the killer was
- 30:43literally begging for ink a little
- 30:46paragraph in the newspaper would have
- 30:47been enough how many people do I have to
- 30:50kill until I get the recognition I
- 30:52deserve I've always thought that you
- 30:54know he had the uh The Misfortune given
- 30:57his aspiration
- 30:58to live in a small media Market you know
- 31:01he never got the attention because he
- 31:03lived in Witchita if he' done any of
- 31:05this in Los Angeles had been a different
- 31:07story even more chilling BTK threatened
- 31:11he was bearing down on murder victim
- 31:13number eight he said that in fact he was
- 31:15stalking a victim right now he picked
- 31:17his next victim he indicated how he was
- 31:20going to kill that person and then the
- 31:21last sentence was maybe it's you he was
- 31:24trying to frighten people oh definitely
- 31:26and he succeeded it turned out the
- 31:29Witchita police had been intentionally
- 31:31denying BTK publicity for some time
- 31:35profilers had warned them against caving
- 31:37into the Killer's demands for attention
- 31:39on the grounds that if he got it he'd
- 31:41kill again but that tactic clearly
- 31:44hadn't worked BTK kept on killing anyway
- 31:47now faced with the strangler's written
- 31:49threat to take yet another life the
- 31:51police abruptly changed
- 31:53strategy at that point we need to step
- 31:57up and say yes we recognize you as BTK
- 32:02uh and uh and we do have a serial killer
- 32:06here so police chief Richard Leman and
- 32:09news director Ron loen appeared on TV
- 32:12that February 1978 side by side BTK
- 32:16claims to have strangled a total of
- 32:18seven women it was loan himself who
- 32:21broke the story of BTK to the community
- 32:24during that newscast loen who never
- 32:27talked public about these events before
- 32:29discussing them with us became in effect
- 32:32live bait the police said I guess based
- 32:35again on their talk with their
- 32:36behavioral people that this is a cry for
- 32:38help this guy has more that he wants to
- 32:40say we'd suggest that you do the story
- 32:43so that it has someone that he might
- 32:45choose to communicate with again how did
- 32:47you feel
- 32:48about offering yourself up as someone
- 32:52who would be willing to communicate with
- 32:54this deranged mass murderer well you
- 32:58know you want to help so if he wanted to
- 33:00write letters and they came to my
- 33:02attention why not it was quite a risk
- 33:05BTK had already murdered seven people
- 33:08and loen could end up getting far more
- 33:10than just a letter in the mail but there
- 33:12he sat what kind of leads do you have
- 33:15asking questions of chief leion for
- 33:18which there were no good answers very
- 33:20honestly we have no solid leads at all
- 33:23it was horrific news everything changed
- 33:26for me uh everything changed forever in
- 33:28witch loen says the effect of the
- 33:31bombshell announcement on this gentle
- 33:33family oriented city was instantaneous
- 33:37he absolutely terrorized the community
- 33:39everyone was a suspect girlfriends were
- 33:42concerned about their boyfriends there
- 33:43were parents who turned in their
- 33:45children the fear was palpable hoping
- 33:48BTK would contact him the police brought
- 33:51Lo and inside the investigation loen was
- 33:54provided a photo of a possible suspect
- 33:57and a police police revolver that gun
- 33:59creeped me out it was the tangible
- 34:02reminder that there was a killer out
- 34:04there and that at some level the police
- 34:06thought that he might be coming to see
- 34:08me just what was it that drove Dennis
- 34:10Raider to bind torture and kill so many
- 34:13innocent people Dr Factory x is probably
- 34:16something we never know in his jail
- 34:18house interview Raider blamed his murder
- 34:21spree on that mysterious Force he has
- 34:23always claimed was Way Beyond his
- 34:25control factor x something that's I use
- 34:29it um I actually think I'm maybe
- 34:32possessed with demons uh I was dropping
- 34:34on my head when I was a kid I've talked
- 34:36to
- 34:37some theological Christian people and
- 34:40some of those people are really strong
- 34:41they actually think well the Bible says
- 34:43that that there's
- 34:44demons and within you or come into you
- 34:48uh that's the only thing I can figure
- 34:49out I have you
- 34:51know you know something drove me to do
- 34:54this you know normal people just don't
- 34:55do this you can't stop it I can't stop
- 34:58it it's just it controls me you know
- 35:00it's a it's it's like it's in the
- 35:03driver's
- 35:04seat you that's probably the reason
- 35:06we're sitting here you know I could just
- 35:08say no I don't want to do this and go
- 35:10crawl in a hole but it's you know it's
- 35:12it's it's driving me you've actually
- 35:15used the term monster that there's this
- 35:18monster inside of
- 35:20you it almost sounds like that's
- 35:22something separate and apart like a
- 35:23different person yeah it's it's part of
- 35:26the compartment it's like switch back
- 35:28and forth and once this character takes
- 35:30over whatever it is it drives me
- 35:33onward
- 35:35uh know what it is but criminologist
- 35:38James Allen fox says he knows what it is
- 35:41it's bunk don't blame me I'm really a
- 35:43good guy but factor x I just couldn't
- 35:46resist it's the monster inside of me uh
- 35:49to use a technical term it's a
- 35:52poppycock it's just an excuse it was
- 35:55Dennis Raider making decisions not
- 35:58factor x he speculates at one point that
- 36:00he was dropped on his head yeah and that
- 36:03might have done something sure he'd like
- 36:05to believe that too it's someone else's
- 36:07fault there are lots of kids that fall
- 36:09off tricycles and fall out of cribs and
- 36:12they bang their heads and they don't
- 36:15have factor x or go on killing sprs it's
- 36:19just a way to deflect blame danst Raider
- 36:22is someone who's
- 36:24selfish uh narcissistic
- 36:28committed to his own Pleasures committed
- 36:31to fulfilling his sexual fantasies no
- 36:33matter who he hurts in the process in
- 36:361978 of course nobody knew what Raiders
- 36:39excuses were all they knew was that BTK
- 36:42was out there a seven-time murderer who
- 36:44was promising in his factor x Manifesto
- 36:47that he was about to take another
- 36:49innocent life so the investigation went
- 36:52into high gear unprecedented and yet
- 36:54unsuccessful for many years even though
- 36:57know he was right under their
- 37:00noses desperate police devise an unusual
- 37:03plan a secret message to BTK you were
- 37:06hoping that perhaps your killer might
- 37:08see it did you get any phone
- 37:12calls BTK was waiting waiting waiting
- 37:16waiting it was 1979 and Ron loen was
- 37:19studying yet another package from the
- 37:22mysterious serial killer at large in
- 37:24Witchita this one which arrived in loen
- 37:27TV news room more than a year after BTK
- 37:29had last been heard from was announcing
- 37:32not another murder but a failed attempt
- 37:35he broke in the glass he was in the
- 37:38basement
- 37:39waiting the intended victim a
- 37:4163-year-old woman Raider had been
- 37:44stalking unexpectedly spent the night
- 37:46out which saved her life but Raider made
- 37:49sure everybody knew he was still Prime
- 37:51to commit murder sending the media that
- 37:53package containing some personal items
- 37:55he'd stolen from her home and including
- 37:58one of his trademark poems which was a
- 38:01poem of death uh he said that he was
- 38:04disappointed she didn't come home that
- 38:06he intended to kill her Raider now
- 38:08claims in this interview with the
- 38:10psychologist that this woman wasn't the
- 38:12only one that got away is it safe to say
- 38:16that there are at least a few lucky
- 38:18people out there there's a lot of lucky
- 38:20people out there who you didn't kill
- 38:22that you had didn't need make of the
- 38:23house they come home or for some reason
- 38:26I didn't go there's a lot lucky people
- 38:28out there yes there have been more
- 38:30probably if I would have succeeded him
- 38:33I'm almost guarantee it after that
- 38:36failed murder attempt Wah's most famous
- 38:39and sought-after Strangler seemed to
- 38:41disappear from the scene after 5 years
- 38:44and seven bodies he stopped
- 38:46communicating in
- 38:471979 and the police simply couldn't find
- 38:50him despite a Manhunt unprecedented in
- 38:52scope that went on for years who spent a
- 38:55lot of their money working on this case
- 38:57and no one complained not one bit we
- 39:00first met former Witchita police chief
- 39:02Richard Lan last year before Dennis
- 39:04Raider was arrested and he talked quite
- 39:07candidly about the failure to catch BTK
- 39:10on his watch I think the community was
- 39:12probably as frustrated as I was and I
- 39:14don't think they were mad I think they
- 39:16had kind of the same feeling I did hey
- 39:17they're doing everything that they can
- 39:20possibly do to catch this guy lanan says
- 39:23they' tried everything from
- 39:24old-fashioned detective work to some
- 39:26ideas that sounded downright nutty we
- 39:29were trying to get this guy to
- 39:30communicate but did you feel at the time
- 39:33like I don't care how wacky it sounds
- 39:36let's try it anything short of of
- 39:38Psychics I wasn't into
- 39:41psychics but he was into trying a
- 39:43technique that as far as we know has
- 39:45never been attempted by law enforcement
- 39:47before or since the police once arranged
- 39:51to have a subliminal message one devised
- 39:53by profilers inserted into a local
- 39:56evening new newscast at cake tv to
- 39:59viewers the subliminal message looked
- 40:01like this just a flash of light but slow
- 40:05it down and there it was now call the
- 40:07chief and you were hoping that perhaps
- 40:10your killer might see it did you get any
- 40:12phone calls did anybody subconscious get
- 40:15tapped at all no we didn't get anything
- 40:17out of it wherever he was the killer
- 40:19could not or would not be reached even
- 40:22when the police got a break and were
- 40:24able to track down a letter BTK sent
- 40:26from a photo copier at Witchita State
- 40:29University they still couldn't catch him
- 40:31turns out Raider was a student there
- 40:33studying criminal justice we tracked the
- 40:37communication that he sent us to that uh
- 40:39copy machine that was at the activity
- 40:41center and we had detectives go back to
- 40:43Z Rock's company and they confirmed
- 40:46that's where it came from but he was on
- 40:48a list with several thousand others if
- 40:49you were a white male between 18 and 35
- 40:52you were on that list but we couldn't
- 40:55match him to either on any other list
- 40:57you will find a homicide at
- 41:00843 South virging and they had the
- 41:03Killer's voice on tape of course from
- 41:05that time he boldly called 911 to tell
- 41:08them he'd murdered Nancy Fox in time the
- 41:11police were able to have the technical
- 41:13quality of that taped call enhanced and
- 41:16it was played repeatedly on radio and TV
- 41:19he said it was probably stupid but he
- 41:21liked it he liked the fact that it's
- 41:23been played over and over and over for
- 41:25years and years yet even with with all
- 41:27that exposure nobody recognized the
- 41:30voice as that of a man named Dennis
- 41:32Raider another dead end I think I was
- 41:35lucky I think I was lucky quite a bit
- 41:37pretty lucky guy pretty lucky guy I
- 41:39think they got close a couple times I
- 41:41was just lucky incredibly so for a
- 41:43killer who may well have been seen
- 41:45several times a handful of eyewitnesses
- 41:48helped police make sketches of how they
- 41:50remembered the suspect but the drawings
- 41:53weren't especially helpful because
- 41:55nobody could quite agree on what BTK
- 41:57looked like as DNA matching evolved
- 42:00during the 1980s the police tried to use
- 42:02that technology to catch their killer
- 42:04more than 200 samples were taken from
- 42:07men living near the victims who fit
- 42:09btk's profile and compared to the seen
- 42:12they' preserved from several of the
- 42:13crime scenes nobody matched you had DNA
- 42:18evidence yes you had his voice on tape
- 42:22yes and you just couldn't get him
- 42:24couldn't get him you had the best
- 42:27Behavioral Science Minds in the country
- 42:30mhm helping you develop a profile of who
- 42:32he was and what he might do and you
- 42:34couldn't ever anticipate him could never
- 42:37anticipate him still lanan says now that
- 42:40while they didn't know anything about
- 42:41Dennis Raider they knew a lot about BTK
- 42:45after uh he went dormant and stopped
- 42:47killing the theory was and everyone was
- 42:49saying well he's in prison uh or maybe
- 42:52he has an illness or something happened
- 42:54and I never I never bought that I was
- 42:56convinced
- 42:57he was one of us we had him pegged in
- 42:59terms of the type of individual we were
- 43:01looking for we had everything but a name
- 43:03in the jail house interview with the
- 43:05psychologist which we showed former
- 43:07Chief lanan Dennis Raider was openly
- 43:10scornful of local law enforcement and
- 43:12the police or the Keystone Cops and
- 43:15disdainful of all their years of effort
- 43:17you know they traced a lot of stuff down
- 43:19they traced The copier down the copers I
- 43:21used out at WSU but they couldn't make
- 43:24the connection from there they had 30
- 43:26some years to break it they couldn't do
- 43:27it the taxpayers are paying the money
- 43:29for CRA County they really need to have
- 43:31I think a sharper punch although they
- 43:33tried they tried they tried but were you
- 43:35offended when you heard him say the
- 43:38witch cops couldn't close his case I'm
- 43:43not offended by anything he
- 43:45says uh at all it's all about him uh I
- 43:49know that the police officers did
- 43:51everything in their power I know that
- 43:52they finally caught him with everything
- 43:54you know about him now
- 43:57do you think that you should have been
- 43:59able to get him I'd like to tell you yes
- 44:02I really don't think we could have done
- 44:03any more than we did he called the
- 44:05Witchita police the Keystone Cops I
- 44:08heard that uh again that's just Dennis
- 44:12Raider because what he was saying is to
- 44:14allow the witto police to catch him you
- 44:16know would be demeaning to him and it
- 44:19just bugs him it just drives him crazy
- 44:21so therefore he has to belittle the
- 44:23police department in order to elevate
- 44:25himself the conventional wisdom was that
- 44:27somehow he was so smart because he
- 44:29always stayed one step ahead of the
- 44:31police I don't think he's smart at all
- 44:34we're not talking about a genius here
- 44:36you know we're not talking about a
- 44:37Hannibal Lector type individual I think
- 44:40he was just more lucky than anything uh
- 44:42in terms of what he did because he did
- 44:44it in such random fashion and because
- 44:46there was no connection between them and
- 44:48because he did it alone uh and it was so
- 44:51sporadic and it was over such a long
- 44:53period of time and probably most
- 44:56important lonan says is that Raider
- 44:58apparently told absolutely no one about
- 45:01what he had done I don't think he even
- 45:02joked about it I don't think he said oh
- 45:04I could be a stranger type thing I don't
- 45:05think so year after year went by and the
- 45:09once hot BTK investigation eventually
- 45:12became a Cold Case by the mid 80s the
- 45:15Elite Police Unit created to hunt down
- 45:17the killer closed up shop once the
- 45:19city's Public Enemy Number One BTK
- 45:22became part of witch Legend and what was
- 45:26Dennis Raider doing all those years
- 45:28hiding in plain
- 45:30sight those who knew the killer best
- 45:33were there hints of his secret life
- 45:36wouldn't those closest to Dennis Raider
- 45:38his wife his children have had to know
- 45:42something when confessions of BTK
- 45:45continues he spent years stalking and
- 45:47killing innocent people and then Dennis
- 45:49Raider known only as BTK seemed to stop
- 45:53he gradually disappeared from the
- 45:54headlines he craved and that is
- 45:57something he now says he could not
- 45:59tolerate here again Edie
- 46:04Magnus after BTK disappeared in
- 46:071979 police would spend 25 more years in
- 46:11a frustrating search to try to capture
- 46:13him did you ever look around oh always
- 46:16BTK Ron loan knew could be anyone
- 46:20anywhere just listen to what the former
- 46:22witcha news director told us about the
- 46:24killer a year before BTK was C I think
- 46:28this guy is uh probably a lot more
- 46:30normal than anybody thinks he told us
- 46:32that it was easy after he after he
- 46:34killed someone he just uh assumed his
- 46:37rightful place in the world he's a
- 46:39person who has been walking in that
- 46:42community and he's really The Stranger
- 46:44Beside You today that all sounds
- 46:46positively prophetic because that's just
- 46:49what Dennis Raider was doing all those
- 46:51years hiding in plain sight raising his
- 46:54children going to church getting a
- 46:56degree in his Spare Time attending
- 46:58Kansas State University home football
- 47:00games start in fact loen who took a look
- 47:03at Raiders interview with the
- 47:05psychologist says the serial killer is
- 47:07even more ordinary than he imagined his
- 47:10family is so wonderfully Kansas his
- 47:15daughter was a high school golf champion
- 47:17his son is I think in the Navy his his
- 47:20wife sings in the church choir uh has a
- 47:24a job in a uh in a convenience store
- 47:28their average people uh making a a
- 47:31simple good life together boy you you
- 47:32would never pick him out of a
- 47:35crowd uh I I thought there would be
- 47:37something that would be more evident but
- 47:39he was just as beige as beige could be
- 47:44Mike Fitch knew Raider when they were
- 47:46both employees at ADT where Raider
- 47:49worked for nearly 15 years installing
- 47:51home security systems he remembers
- 47:54Raider as a stickler for Perfection
- 47:56making making his customers happy was
- 47:58Raiders top priority even if he could be
- 48:00cranky and critical of others I
- 48:02definitely didn't want to get on his
- 48:04wrong side till I was intimidated by him
- 48:06when I first started working but fit
- 48:08says he saw no hint of Raiders violent
- 48:11side we' sit around and have popcorn
- 48:14before he went home and what could be
- 48:16more solid American citizen than being
- 48:18active in his young son's boy scouts I
- 48:20sh Dennis up as a cub scout leader
- 48:23fellow scouting leader Bob Monroe says
- 48:25Dennis Raider always set a good example
- 48:28for the boys in his troop and for
- 48:30Raider's own son who went on to be an
- 48:32eagle scout you say he took part in
- 48:34everything that we did in scotting and
- 48:36with his son which is very important in
- 48:38Cub scotting that you do work with your
- 48:40boys and so I considered him to be a
- 48:42very good parent and a very good scout
- 48:44leader at that time of course contrary
- 48:46to the common assumption that serial
- 48:48killers are generally loners or social
- 48:51outcasts criminologist James fox says
- 48:54they can often seem to be one of us many
- 48:57serial killers have families and and uh
- 49:02children and
- 49:04friends and no one suspects them because
- 49:07they have this ordinary normal appearing
- 49:10life and what people don't know about is
- 49:13the darker side the Hidden Side so you
- 49:17can be someone who binds tortures and
- 49:21kills one minute and has a seemingly
- 49:25normal life the next
- 49:28absolutely we've seen it time and time
- 49:31again John Wayne gasy of Chicago who
- 49:34murdered 33 young men appeared normal
- 49:37enough he was once named JC's Man of the
- 49:40Year Ted Bundy considered Charming was a
- 49:43law student and socialized in political
- 49:45circles until he was caught he killed at
- 49:48least 33 women in five different states
- 49:51on the other hand New York's David
- 49:52burkowitz AKA Son of Sam who shot six
- 49:56was alone owner and so too was Jeffrey
- 49:58dmer of Milwaukee who dissected dead
- 50:01animals as a child then later murdered
- 50:04and dismembered 17 young men and boys
- 50:07but why would anyone ever suspect a man
- 50:10like Dennis Raider consider his
- 50:12substantial involvement with his local
- 50:13Lutheran Church Paul carlstead has known
- 50:16Raider through the church for 30 years
- 50:19and says he was an exemplary member he
- 50:21will be an usher he will uh run the
- 50:23sound system he'll count the money after
- 50:25the service if something needs to be
- 50:28done uh Dennis was always available to
- 50:30help as hard as this may be to believe
- 50:34the serial killer told the psychologist
- 50:35in his interview that he considers
- 50:37himself a religious person do you pray
- 50:41yes I
- 50:44do study the Bible daily and that helps
- 50:47uh not only for not only just for
- 50:50Spiritual a lot of it's good meanings in
- 50:52it good Concepts things that you can use
- 50:54in life even serial killers can believe
- 50:56in God this is not inconsistent with the
- 50:59kind of person who can fulfill his
- 51:02sexual fantasies who feels he has the
- 51:04right to do it with people whom he
- 51:06dehumanizes objects
- 51:08things and Dr fox sees special
- 51:11significance in Raider taking over as
- 51:14the president of his church congregation
- 51:16just weeks before he was caught being in
- 51:19charge being in control
- 51:21Power uh
- 51:24importance is a is a theme in his life
- 51:28that's why he pursued this role in the
- 51:29church in 1991 Raider had found a day
- 51:33job that could give him control and
- 51:35power too he was made a compliance
- 51:38officer Raider was now Ironically in
- 51:41charge of making certain others follow
- 51:43the letter of the law in Park City just
- 51:45north of Witchita his duties included
- 51:48making sure homeowners complied with
- 51:50various local ordinances like keeping
- 51:52their grass cut their yards free of
- 51:54junked cars or their dog dogs from
- 51:57running wild who' been tracking it down
- 51:59the dogs are somewhat territorial as
- 52:00well as vicious that's him being
- 52:02interviewed by a local TV station the
- 52:05killer himself right there on the screen
- 52:07for all witch to see who would ever
- 52:10suspect this public servant was actually
- 52:13the monster BTK whom everyone feared but
- 52:17it was in that job that at least some
- 52:19people saw a darker side to Dennis
- 52:21Raider D Stewart a longtime acquaintance
- 52:24of Raiders has a good friend who
- 52:26reported to him in the compliance
- 52:27Department his friend she says found him
- 52:30controlling and belligerent there were
- 52:32times when he when he yelled at her in
- 52:34front of other employees um he demeaned
- 52:37her he told her she would never be as
- 52:38smart as he was but she says he could
- 52:41turn his good and bad sides on and off
- 52:43he could be berating her he could be
- 52:45screaming at her and if the phone rang
- 52:48and it was a member of his family he
- 52:49turned into Ward Cleaver Dr Fox Says
- 52:52this apparent Jacqueline Hyde
- 52:54personality is classic for many serial
- 52:57killers I don't believe there are two
- 52:58Raiders in one body it's just that we
- 53:01all have a range in our personality and
- 53:05someone like Dennis Raider Point indeed
- 53:09has two different shades sides to his
- 53:12personality and he hides from the people
- 53:14in his life the dark
- 53:19negative brutal wouldn't those closest
- 53:22to Dennis Raider his wife his children
- 53:26have had to know something nope we' like
- 53:30to believe that we we think it's
- 53:33incomprehensible that those
- 53:35closest wouldn't
- 53:37know John W gasey was bearing bodies in
- 53:40the crawl space of his home while he
- 53:43lived in that house with his wife and
- 53:45there was a horrible odor coming from
- 53:46the crawl space and she'd ask him about
- 53:48it what's that odor and he would say it
- 53:51was sewer gases and he would take care
- 53:53of it and she believed him Dennis
- 53:55Raider's wife would never suspect he
- 53:58gave no
- 53:59signs they'd find out eventually because
- 54:02it seems Dennis Raider couldn't stand
- 54:05staying hidden forever I can just really
- 54:08stir the Hornet stuff by just showing
- 54:10them pictures and puzzles and playing a
- 54:11game with them I don't even have to go
- 54:13out and kill anybody this time after
- 54:15years of Silence BTK emerges from the
- 54:18Shadows more clues for police more
- 54:21heartbreak for victim's families mom's
- 54:24house had been broken into and we didn't
- 54:26know what happened to her that is a trip
- 54:28to hell when confessions of BTK
- 54:32continues January 2004 in Witchita
- 54:35Kansas Dennis Raider was 58 still living
- 54:39in the house on Independence Street
- 54:41still a compliance officer for Park City
- 54:44still an active member of the Christ
- 54:46Lutheran Church he'd been married 32
- 54:48years his son and daughter were all
- 54:50grown up now and the other dentist
- 54:53Raider the brutal Strangler who' so far
- 54:56gotten away with all those murders all
- 54:58that time and hadn't been heard from in
- 55:0025 years BTK was retired he was he was
- 55:04going to go off the face of the Earth or
- 55:05so he says soon enough an excuse to grab
- 55:09the Limelight would come again the
- 55:11Witchita Eagle published an anniversary
- 55:13article about the mysterious serial
- 55:15killer known only by the name he'd given
- 55:18himself BTK for buying torture and kill
- 55:22and who had committed his first murders
- 55:2330 years earlier of course it was all so
- 55:27long ago Raider found his exploits
- 55:29weren't even Front Page News anymore he
- 55:32says it all made him feel a little itchy
- 55:35that really stirred it uh I read that in
- 55:37the paper and I thought I always thought
- 55:39you know I'd like to bring this back out
- 55:40again but should I
- 55:43uh and I think I've reached the point in
- 55:45their life the kids were gone you know
- 55:48not really bored but kind of bored and
- 55:50something else Raider knew a local
- 55:52lawyer was writing a book about him or
- 55:54about BTK that is
- 55:57that didn't sit too well either with the
- 55:58man who had such an enormous appetite to
- 56:01draw attention to himself Raider felt
- 56:04only he could do justice to his story
- 56:07eventually I was going to tell a story
- 56:08in my terms and not his terms uh they
- 56:11already had the killings and so that's
- 56:14factual but they didn't know how how I
- 56:16worked and moved around the projects the
- 56:19haunts uh outc victims they didn't know
- 56:22how that worked I can just uh really
- 56:24stir the Hornet n up with
- 56:26through the media by just uh showing
- 56:29them pictures and puzzles and playing a
- 56:30game with him so in March 2004 Raider
- 56:34made contact not just signaling that he
- 56:36was still around but far more ominously
- 56:39sending what appeared to be proof of yet
- 56:42murder another young woman whose death
- 56:45had never been conclusively linked to
- 56:47BTK the innocuous looking piece of mail
- 56:50landed on Witchita Eagle reporter Hurst
- 56:52Lana's desk copied the envelope copied
- 56:55the letter took the letter straight to
- 56:56the police department did you read it
- 56:58there's nothing to read there are no
- 56:59words on it I thought it was crime scene
- 57:01photographs that some crackpot had
- 57:04gotten a hold of them on the Internet or
- 57:06something the pictures appeared to be
- 57:07pictures of a dead woman her body had
- 57:10been posed several different ways these
- 57:12were clearly not police photos and there
- 57:15was something else a photocopy of a
- 57:17driver's license think you werly
- 57:19driver's license and I immediately knew
- 57:22this probably came from Vicky werley's
- 57:24killer in SE setember 1986 Vicky wagerle
- 57:28a young mother was found tied up and
- 57:31strangled in her home and a trophy had
- 57:33been taken in this case her driver's
- 57:35license so police had naturally
- 57:37suspected BTK but there were differences
- 57:40too especially that the killer had never
- 57:42publicly boasted about it afterward as
- 57:44was his pattern now all these years
- 57:47later in addition to the copies of the
- 57:49photos and the driver's license there
- 57:51was the envelope they came in the return
- 57:53address at Bill Thomas kilman BTK and
- 57:57that's when we realized this may be the
- 58:00real deal tell me about that moment it
- 58:03was just total
- 58:05disbelief that he was still here Lavana
- 58:09agreed to give the police two days to
- 58:11nail it down and then broke the story
- 58:14The Ghost was back police could now say
- 58:17that more than 17 years earlier Vicky
- 58:19werly had indeed been btk's eighth known
- 58:23victim so by resurfacing in in 20 2004
- 58:27and sending a a letter with a photograph
- 58:31driver's license of a victim say I'm
- 58:34still here you never caught me and I've
- 58:36been here all along his need for
- 58:39attention is apparently un unquenched I
- 58:42absolutely thought that that this was
- 58:44the tip of the iceberg former Witchita
- 58:46TV news director Ron loen made that
- 58:48prediction to us almost a year before
- 58:51Dennis Raider was caught and sadly when
- 58:53it was all over he'd be proven right
- 58:56there had been two more murders never
- 58:58before connected to BTK that brought the
- 59:01total number of his victims to 10 in
- 59:042004 Raider was still hiding evidence
- 59:07about his murder of marine hedge she
- 59:09lived on his block and they knew each
- 59:11other in court Raider described how
- 59:14after bowling one evening in
- 59:161985 he broke into her house and waited
- 59:18for her to come home and she screamed
- 59:21and I jumped on the bed and strangled
- 59:23her
- 59:23manually rather than leaving her body
- 59:26Raider changed hiso confusing police at
- 59:29the time killed her in her house put her
- 59:32in the trunk of her car took her to his
- 59:35church put her on a blanket tied her up
- 59:38in different bonding situations took
- 59:41pictures of her then put her back uh in
- 59:44the trunk and took her out and dumped
- 59:45her it was the middle of the night he
- 59:47had a key because he was uh one of the
- 59:49uh leaders of the church marine hedge's
- 59:52body was later found buried under some
- 59:54leaves and branches in this ditch
- 59:57several miles from her home and even as
- 1:00:00his Persona BTK reemerged in 2004 Raider
- 1:00:05was also hiding evidence about his last
- 1:00:07victim Dolores Davis whom he killed in
- 1:00:101991 he'd seen her out in the yard
- 1:00:13working and uh
- 1:00:16had sexual feelings her son Jeff talked
- 1:00:20to us recently after viewing Raider's
- 1:00:22interview with the psychologist she was
- 1:00:26a very kind
- 1:00:28considerate empathetic
- 1:00:31gentle person given the
- 1:00:35circumstances of her death I think she
- 1:00:40kept her class and her dignity and her
- 1:00:43Poise right up to the end all right so
- 1:00:46you used a concrete block to break the
- 1:00:48window in court Raider said he used a
- 1:00:50concrete block as a battering ram to
- 1:00:53crash through Dolores Davis's lighting
- 1:00:54glass door and enter her home uh removed
- 1:00:57her handcuffs and uh and then tight her
- 1:01:00up and then and then eventually
- 1:01:03strangled her Raider then took her body
- 1:01:06from the house authorities knew only
- 1:01:08that she was missing probably kidnapped
- 1:01:11a best or dead at worst so that kind of
- 1:01:15started the clock on a
- 1:01:1813-day seemingly 13th century time frame
- 1:01:22where we didn't know what happened to
- 1:01:23her and that that is
- 1:01:26that is a trip to Hell 13 days later his
- 1:01:29mother's body was found under a bridge
- 1:01:32but of course police didn't know then
- 1:01:34who' done it Jeff Davis says he slipped
- 1:01:36into Despair and depression that
- 1:01:38destroyed his marriage and worse I would
- 1:01:41go to bed every night for the better
- 1:01:44part of 5 years and I prayed to God that
- 1:01:47he'd let me
- 1:01:49die Dolores Davis's driver's license and
- 1:01:52social security card had gone missing
- 1:01:55that was certainly the kind of thing BTK
- 1:01:57did to his murder victims but there were
- 1:02:00many other aspects of this crime that
- 1:02:02strayed from his usual so until Raider
- 1:02:05was caught and the police announced
- 1:02:06Dolores Davis as the 10th victim her son
- 1:02:10was left to wonder I guess there was the
- 1:02:13remote possibility that there was some
- 1:02:15Phantom seral out there but honestly I
- 1:02:18never connected it with
- 1:02:20BTK how Dennis Raider LED police
- 1:02:22straight to his door he said we've got
- 1:02:25him confessions of BTK continues in a
- 1:02:29moment would he kill again that was the
- 1:02:32question consuming much of Witchita
- 1:02:34Kansas in the weeks after serial killer
- 1:02:37BTK announced himself in 2004 following
- 1:02:40years of Silence I definitely lock my
- 1:02:42doors at night till I find out more here
- 1:02:44in the Heartland fear of the unknown
- 1:02:47monster among them penetrated yet a new
- 1:02:49generation my mom's going to watch out
- 1:02:51for my little sister more people were
- 1:02:53learning karate buying guns beefing up
- 1:02:56security systems and looking at
- 1:02:58strangers with a suspicion not felt in
- 1:03:00years in his jailhouse interview Raider
- 1:03:03now claims he didn't know he was having
- 1:03:06this effect but I didn't realize the
- 1:03:09city really lived in fear that bad all I
- 1:03:12see little spurts of it on the news
- 1:03:14women come home and look under their
- 1:03:15doors and uh under their beds and just
- 1:03:18Lally lived in fear I didn't realize
- 1:03:20that I had that attention I Dro dropped
- 1:03:23my jaw and I had a pad of paper and I
- 1:03:25made a note and I just scroll liar once
- 1:03:28again even with the Learned psychologist
- 1:03:31there he's playing a game at the very
- 1:03:33least says criminologist James Fox
- 1:03:36Raider is being completely disingenuous
- 1:03:39he says for the serial killer the fear
- 1:03:41is all part of the Twisted fun part of
- 1:03:44the enjoyment that serial killers have
- 1:03:46is not just manipulating the victims
- 1:03:49tying them up but manipulating a
- 1:03:52community and tying them up in a grip of
- 1:03:56Terror what's now known is that Raider
- 1:03:58hadn't taken a life since
- 1:04:001991 his explanation to the psychologist
- 1:04:04about why he stopped at 10 victims is
- 1:04:07once again chillingly matter of fact why
- 1:04:10aren there more why AR there more it
- 1:04:12seemed like as I got older uh I started
- 1:04:15making well physically I was just wasn't
- 1:04:18up to it um I knew like had fight with
- 1:04:21somebody you'd have to be an older
- 1:04:22person because just he just went into
- 1:04:25wouldn't be able to fight
- 1:04:27physically uh I don't know uh I think it
- 1:04:31was just starting to mellow out a little
- 1:04:32bit Fox believes it's probably not just
- 1:04:35coincidence that Raiders stopped
- 1:04:37committing murder around the time he got
- 1:04:39that job as a compliance officer now he
- 1:04:41really had some power now he could
- 1:04:43really push people around so he didn't
- 1:04:46have to do it with physical violence he
- 1:04:49could do it through his job the killer
- 1:04:51still lusted for notoriety however so
- 1:04:54after first revealing him self in that
- 1:04:56letter to the Witchita Eagle he sent a
- 1:04:58slew of letters and packages throughout
- 1:05:012004 and into early 2005 to local TV
- 1:05:05stations the police even leaving clues
- 1:05:07in a public park a doll with dark hair
- 1:05:10her face colored with makeup her arms
- 1:05:12bound behind her by a pair of panty hes
- 1:05:15her head contained in a plastic bag and
- 1:05:18next to the doll was a copy of the
- 1:05:19driver's license of one of btk's victims
- 1:05:22Nancy Fox a handmade word puzzle
- 1:05:26which investigators now see contains a
- 1:05:28group of letters spelling d Raider and
- 1:05:30the numbers of his address it all put
- 1:05:33witch's serial Strangler front and
- 1:05:35center again just how he liked it was
- 1:05:38that exciting to you was that sexually
- 1:05:40exciting to you probably the media not
- 1:05:43maybe sexually but the media attention
- 1:05:45you I listen to the news quite a bit and
- 1:05:47yeah I get I get pretty excited to read
- 1:05:49the paper did you ever think you were
- 1:05:50going to get caught no no no no no this
- 1:05:53guy was not going to get caught
- 1:05:55absolutely not no I didn't want to get
- 1:05:57caught I wanted to put everything on
- 1:05:59floppies they would go to a floppy to a
- 1:06:01CD the CD would either go to safe
- 1:06:03deposit or a very heighty hole and I
- 1:06:05could always bring it back out many have
- 1:06:07speculated that Raiders repeated
- 1:06:09messages were indeed a cry to be
- 1:06:11captured but James fox says it's just
- 1:06:14the opposite he felt Invincible
- 1:06:18Unstoppable and that's why many serial
- 1:06:20killers do communicate with the police
- 1:06:22not because they want to invite
- 1:06:24capture it's because they feel that the
- 1:06:27police are no match for their skill
- 1:06:29their
- 1:06:30cunning their stardom their
- 1:06:33Brilliance
- 1:06:34so what often happens in among serial
- 1:06:37killers is they get so cocky and they
- 1:06:39make a mistake and that's just what
- 1:06:41happened it was Raider himself who
- 1:06:43helped bring police to his door it
- 1:06:46started in January 2005 when Raider
- 1:06:49placed a letter in a pickup truck at
- 1:06:51this Home Depot which eventually made
- 1:06:53its way to police Raider identifying
- 1:06:57himself only as BTK asked the police
- 1:07:00whether they could catch him if he used
- 1:07:02a computer disc to communicate he asked
- 1:07:05the police to respond in a classified ad
- 1:07:08and he asked them to be honest he
- 1:07:11actually asked the police if they could
- 1:07:12catch you they said no they said no did
- 1:07:14you really think they were going to tell
- 1:07:16you the truth no I thought they would I
- 1:07:19I thought they wanted me to finish the
- 1:07:21story I really thought I had a rapport
- 1:07:24with him you know and I really did I
- 1:07:27mean doesn't that seem kind of
- 1:07:30dumb yeah it does to believe that the
- 1:07:33police would tell you the truth about
- 1:07:35something like that I mean he's been
- 1:07:36playing games with us for 30 years and
- 1:07:38you think we're not we're going to shoot
- 1:07:39straight with you I don't think so so
- 1:07:41naturally the police lied and told the
- 1:07:43killer they couldn't trace a disc to him
- 1:07:46and waited to see if he would fall for
- 1:07:47it which he did Raider's last
- 1:07:50communication was a computer disc filled
- 1:07:53with more taunts and puzzles he sent to
- 1:07:55a local television station the police
- 1:07:58were able to trace it to a Dennis and a
- 1:08:00computer at Raiders Church by Googling
- 1:08:03the church name and Dennis police
- 1:08:05quickly zeroed in on Dennis Raider what
- 1:08:08nailed him ultimately was the last
- 1:08:12floppy disc he said yeah well what
- 1:08:14nailed him was his
- 1:08:15hubris uh he went too far felce also
- 1:08:19used a surveillance tape from that Home
- 1:08:20Depot to figure out that the person who
- 1:08:23dropped off the BTK letter was driving a
- 1:08:26car registered to Dennis Raider's son
- 1:08:29but to make certain they had their man
- 1:08:31they needed a DNA match so authorities
- 1:08:34got a warrant for a tissue sample from
- 1:08:36Raider's daughter on file at a Kansas
- 1:08:39Medical Clinic test showed it was a
- 1:08:41close match to the evidence drawn from
- 1:08:43the crime
- 1:08:44scenes it was now early in the week of
- 1:08:46February 21st 2005 and former police
- 1:08:50chief Richard Leman remembers quite well
- 1:08:53when he got the news he'd waited more
- 1:08:55than 30 years to hear simply said we've
- 1:08:58got him he said it's just a matter of
- 1:09:00time we've got
- 1:09:02him locked up and choked up that first
- 1:09:05Sunday was probably my lowest day of all
- 1:09:08my life tears from a killer but not for
- 1:09:11his victims when confessions of BTK
- 1:09:17continues Dennis Raider spent the
- 1:09:19morning of February 25th 2005 on the job
- 1:09:23in Park City where is the town
- 1:09:25compliance officer Raider was
- 1:09:27responsible for things like Carling Mad
- 1:09:29Dogs or chewing people out if their
- 1:09:32grass grew too high normal work day uh
- 1:09:36didn't have any suspicions although I've
- 1:09:39been been really careful about watching
- 1:09:41people and actions and stuff uh I
- 1:09:43usually pretty good about that he says
- 1:09:45he noticed nothing unusual except maybe
- 1:09:48a moment when he overheard on his police
- 1:09:50radio the FBI was up to something in his
- 1:09:53town and I thought well know maybe
- 1:09:56something's coming down shall I run but
- 1:10:00where would I ran if they were after me
- 1:10:03I just took a calculated guess that that
- 1:10:05was something else and hope for then at
- 1:10:08midday the killer went home for lunch
- 1:10:11drove home and just as soon as I got
- 1:10:13started turned down there's a frontage
- 1:10:15road I saw this whole line of police
- 1:10:17cars I thought oh that's not good and it
- 1:10:20was just they were right on me just that
- 1:10:23quick I thought maybe maybe it's a
- 1:10:24traffic stop or something soon as I one
- 1:10:26them was behind me with the red lights
- 1:10:27and Sirens I knew that was it with that
- 1:10:30Dennis Lyn Raider the man believed to be
- 1:10:33BTK was finally in custody after 31
- 1:10:37years they arrested me they got out of
- 1:10:40the car they pulled the guns on me told
- 1:10:41me to lay down and I sprawled out and
- 1:10:44they grabbed me real quick like of
- 1:10:45handcuffs and stuck me in a car Mr raer
- 1:10:48do you know why you're going downtown I
- 1:10:49said I have suspicions why at first uh I
- 1:10:54was hoping
- 1:10:57it was kind of a kind of a cat and mouse
- 1:10:59game uh that they had a suspect but but
- 1:11:04it but but kind of hurt you know you
- 1:11:06know like you said I had the power you
- 1:11:08know I was a law enforcement officer
- 1:11:09technically and here I am these law
- 1:11:12enforcement officers are trying to do
- 1:11:13their to my duty that kind of hurt a
- 1:11:15little bit but before long Raider in his
- 1:11:18self-obsessed arrogance was talking up a
- 1:11:20storm and says in this interview with
- 1:11:22the psychologist he actually was having
- 1:11:24a good time connecting to the police
- 1:11:27officers also during the interrogation
- 1:11:29it seems as though you were
- 1:11:32enjoying being one of them at times it's
- 1:11:36almost like colleagues Talk Shop
- 1:11:38camaraderie comaraderie you know yeah we
- 1:11:41talk shop uh I know a lot of police
- 1:11:43terminology I know how they do things so
- 1:11:46yeah it's kind of a bonding type thing
- 1:11:48you talk you enjoy it on any level uh
- 1:11:51yes I did yeah all I knew was sunk or
- 1:11:55soon would be but yeah I enjoyed it and
- 1:11:57and once uh once the confession was out
- 1:11:59and I admitted who I was then then the
- 1:12:01bonding really started you know I just
- 1:12:04really opened up and you know we shared
- 1:12:07jokes and everything else it's just like
- 1:12:09we were buddies he's proud of what he
- 1:12:11done uh he was having in a perverse way
- 1:12:15fun talking with his uh his colleagues
- 1:12:18the police what do you make of the
- 1:12:20camaraderie he says he enjoyed with all
- 1:12:23of the police officers who were
- 1:12:24interrogating him when he was arrested
- 1:12:27well it it implies a certain degree of
- 1:12:30um of of control here on the situation
- 1:12:33I'm a good guy they're a good guy we're
- 1:12:34all the same profession here I work law
- 1:12:36enforcement technically and he was a
- 1:12:38want toe cop it makes him feel better to
- 1:12:40to think of them as peers but however
- 1:12:42much Raider may have imagined he was
- 1:12:44still in control the reality was just
- 1:12:47the opposite Richard Leman who once
- 1:12:49headed up the department Raider
- 1:12:51dismisses as the Keystone Cops says the
- 1:12:54script was going very way now were they
- 1:12:57in fact playing him absolutely these
- 1:12:59these officers that were interviewing
- 1:13:01him were handpicked they had studied him
- 1:13:04they knew the characteristics they were
- 1:13:06playing to his ego to his strength they
- 1:13:08were bringing him up making him think
- 1:13:10that you know hey we're buddy buddies
- 1:13:13then just as quickly they shut him down
- 1:13:15the interview ended the attention
- 1:13:17stopped and the officers went home it
- 1:13:20was only then Raider tells the
- 1:13:22psychologist that the reality of his
- 1:13:24past and the impact on his future
- 1:13:27finally started to sink in was there any
- 1:13:30way of of getting out of this you know
- 1:13:33is there any possible way and I thought
- 1:13:35no there is any way they just got too
- 1:13:37much on me and then most of my thoughts
- 1:13:39went back to my family you know how my
- 1:13:41family was holding up how are they
- 1:13:42taking this I was the main thing just
- 1:13:45you know you're you're caught carinated
- 1:13:47and all those things that you
- 1:13:50enjoyed you they're gone you know you
- 1:13:52just just you know you have to be in the
- 1:13:54POS position to realize it I don't think
- 1:13:57normal people are outside in the world
- 1:13:59can visualize that you know just like
- 1:14:02right now you know you just you know
- 1:14:04touch people and hold them
- 1:14:07and you know your kids and
- 1:14:11stuff sorry let
- 1:14:14gone this was one of the few moments
- 1:14:16during the interview where Raider
- 1:14:18revealed any emotion when he was talking
- 1:14:20about himself and his family well anyway
- 1:14:24uh you know people don't realize that uh
- 1:14:28you know once you're gone you can't go
- 1:14:30out uh out in fresh air walk your dog
- 1:14:34hug your wife kiss your
- 1:14:36wife you know go to a movie have a pizza
- 1:14:40hamburger it's all gone it's all about
- 1:14:42him when you watch
- 1:14:44him do you feel anything you feel pain
- 1:14:49cuz every time I see him I see all of
- 1:14:52those victims and the tortured looks on
- 1:14:54their faces from all the crime scenes
- 1:14:55and what he actually did he left that
- 1:14:58part out he never mentioned him instead
- 1:15:01all Raider could do was complain to the
- 1:15:04psychologist about how he missed all the
- 1:15:06attention he'd been receiving from his
- 1:15:08police interrogators he did not come
- 1:15:11Saturday it's probably that that first
- 1:15:14Sunday was probably my lowest day of all
- 1:15:16my life I was really depressed he called
- 1:15:19it the lowest day of his life can you
- 1:15:22imagine this is a man who's already been
- 1:15:23arrested he's from his family probably
- 1:15:26forever they despise him oh by the way
- 1:15:28he's killed 10 people and the lowest day
- 1:15:31of his life is when the interrogation
- 1:15:32doesn't continue doesn't this tell us a
- 1:15:34lot about about Dennis Raider and next
- 1:15:38the killer gets his day in court will
- 1:15:40heartbroken families get peace people
- 1:15:43use the word closure there is no such
- 1:15:44thing when confessions of BTK
- 1:15:48continues the bottom line BTK is
- 1:15:53arrested well while Dennis Raiders sat
- 1:15:56in his cell with no one to satisfy his
- 1:15:58desire to keep talking about himself the
- 1:16:01police and a cast of dozens proudly
- 1:16:03announced his capture to the citizens of
- 1:16:05Witchita and the world Agents from the
- 1:16:09kbi agents from the FBI and members of
- 1:16:12the witch toop Police Department
- 1:16:14arrested Dennis
- 1:16:16Raider 59 and a white male but it wasn't
- 1:16:20until late June when Raider appeared in
- 1:16:23court for what was supposed to be the
- 1:16:24first day of his trial that people got a
- 1:16:27good look at and earful from the man who
- 1:16:29had killed so many people over so many
- 1:16:32years instead of maintaining the not
- 1:16:35guilty plea he'd entered earlier there
- 1:16:37was a surprise Mr Rider would you please
- 1:16:40stand with
- 1:16:44coun sir I have been advised it is your
- 1:16:47desire to enter a plea of guilty in this
- 1:16:50case is that correct yes sir people in
- 1:16:53and out of court listened a g to Raider
- 1:16:56as he detailed each murder in his cold
- 1:16:58chilling emotionless manner I manually
- 1:17:01strangled her when she started to scream
- 1:17:03Ron loen watched Raider's court
- 1:17:05appearance on TV people make a lot of
- 1:17:07the point that he didn't show any
- 1:17:08emotion he was showing incredible
- 1:17:10emotion uh the detail that he used he
- 1:17:14paused and he'd search for Words uh the
- 1:17:17graphic graphic description that he gave
- 1:17:19this wasn't someone who was stumbling
- 1:17:21who was uh nervous this was Showtime for
- 1:17:25him uh he couldn't have asked for a
- 1:17:27better stage the killer was clearly
- 1:17:29puffed up by his court appearance
- 1:17:32bragging about it afterward when he
- 1:17:33spoke with the psychologist it's only
- 1:17:35been a few hours since that hearing how
- 1:17:37you feeling I really feel pretty good
- 1:17:39it's kind of like a big burden that was
- 1:17:40lefted off my
- 1:17:41shoulders
- 1:17:43um and on the other hand I feel like I'm
- 1:17:46like a star right now as you might
- 1:17:48expect a certain former police chief
- 1:17:50would love to lower the curtain on
- 1:17:52Dennis Raider right now I'd like to be
- 1:17:55the one to be able to put him in a cell
- 1:17:56and turn his lights out that's what I'd
- 1:17:58like to do so how does someone like
- 1:18:00Dennis Raider get to be this way well
- 1:18:02that's the 64,000 question that we don't
- 1:18:04completely know part of it is the
- 1:18:06propensities that you're born with and
- 1:18:08part of it too is is what kind of
- 1:18:10environment you're growing into these
- 1:18:12are all the the intangibles that we
- 1:18:14can't predict and don't fully understand
- 1:18:17Raider told the psychologist he'll make
- 1:18:19amends in his way to his God I know it's
- 1:18:22personal but could you tell me what you
- 1:18:24pray for
- 1:18:27actually uh like for the other day I
- 1:18:30prayed for that the family would accept
- 1:18:33me on uh there in the
- 1:18:36court that they would you know you know
- 1:18:38accept that as forgiveness your F whose
- 1:18:41family my
- 1:18:43family and also I mentioned there the
- 1:18:46victim families that they would you know
- 1:18:48not they can forgive me but maybe
- 1:18:50someday they can realize you know I got
- 1:18:53some problems oh
- 1:18:56yeah there's the classic understatement
- 1:18:57of the world we asked Jeff Davis the son
- 1:19:00of Raiders last victim what he thought
- 1:19:02about that he does have problems all of
- 1:19:05which are of his own
- 1:19:06making he did not come from any abused
- 1:19:09family he can't blame any environmental
- 1:19:11factors he can't blame anybody or any
- 1:19:13sickness or being dropped on his head
- 1:19:16wish they dropped him a little harder he
- 1:19:18can't blame anything Davis who like so
- 1:19:21many other family members is also a
- 1:19:24victim of being etk wrote a book to help
- 1:19:26him and others cope with the trauma of
- 1:19:29loss and to make sure people knew how
- 1:19:31special his mother Dolores was I would
- 1:19:34be damned if her Legacy ended with her
- 1:19:38being murdered a beautiful loving
- 1:19:43kind gentle
- 1:19:45person and her Legacy is being murdered
- 1:19:49and dumped out in the ditch like a bag
- 1:19:51of dirty laundry for the dogs to go
- 1:19:53through and I was not going to let that
- 1:19:55happen just after Davis's book was
- 1:19:57published in
- 1:19:591996 he received a letter from a
- 1:20:01taxpayer who Davis now firmly believes
- 1:20:04was Dennis Raider it has never before
- 1:20:06been made public the letter said we'll
- 1:20:09call the serial killer The Phantom of
- 1:20:12Northern Sedwick County which is where
- 1:20:14Raider lived it also said I'm sure that
- 1:20:18he probably Blends in with a crowd I'm
- 1:20:21Jeffrey Davis son of Dolores Davis at
- 1:20:24Raider sentencing Davis was able to
- 1:20:27speak directly to the killer for the
- 1:20:29last
- 1:20:305,326 days I have wondered what it would
- 1:20:32be like to confront the walking
- 1:20:34Cesspool that took my mother's precious
- 1:20:37life even if you could begin to Fathom
- 1:20:39the depth of my hatred for you I would
- 1:20:41still refuse to waste any breath on you
- 1:20:43because that would once again allow you
- 1:20:45the satisfaction of being in the
- 1:20:46Limelight and that attention I refuse to
- 1:20:48allow you as of today you no longer
- 1:20:51exist Charlie ooto and his sister Carmen
- 1:20:54spoke too
- 1:20:55Raider you not only affected my life but
- 1:20:57you took away the joy of the ultimate
- 1:20:58grandparents aunt and uncle relationship
- 1:21:00my children deserve just recently I
- 1:21:03realized that I could not remember my
- 1:21:05mother's voice it was a painful
- 1:21:07Discovery but as I put my thoughts on
- 1:21:09paper it comes to me I am my mother's
- 1:21:12voice and I know we've been heard family
- 1:21:15members of other victims gave their
- 1:21:17thoughts on the day he dies Nancy and
- 1:21:20all of his victims will be waiting with
- 1:21:23God and watching him as he burns in
- 1:21:27hell when it was time for Raider to
- 1:21:29speak to the court he characteristically
- 1:21:32showed little emotion now that I've
- 1:21:35confessed put myself out to let
- 1:21:37everybody know what's going on I expect
- 1:21:40to heal and have life and then hopefully
- 1:21:44someday God will accept me and finally I
- 1:21:47final apologize to the victim's
- 1:21:50families there's no
- 1:21:52way that I can repay the murders were
- 1:21:56committed before Kansas reinstated the
- 1:21:58death penalty when it came time to
- 1:22:00sentence Raider the judge showed no
- 1:22:03mercy giving him the maximum sense to
- 1:22:06serve a term of life for which you will
- 1:22:08not be proo eligible until the
- 1:22:10expiration of 40 years Jeff Davis says
- 1:22:13even though he was finally able to
- 1:22:15confront the killer of his mother he is
- 1:22:18left feeling empty people use the word
- 1:22:20closure there is no such thing closure
- 1:22:23happens when you go back that moment in
- 1:22:26time and it doesn't happen and the
- 1:22:27person's still there Charlie Otero who
- 1:22:30also faced a hard life after the murder
- 1:22:32of his parents sister and brother knows
- 1:22:35what Davis means I would wonder about
- 1:22:38what they were thinking and the feelings
- 1:22:40that they had while this was happening
- 1:22:42to them you know this has been the most
- 1:22:43intense and challenging my family Mur
- 1:22:46with me daily en it never leaves me the
- 1:22:48memories of my family come back to me
- 1:22:50whenever I see a husband hug his wife or
- 1:22:54a father and a son play I think of my
- 1:22:56family and what I had lost for so long
- 1:23:00Charlie Otero Jeff Davis and so many
- 1:23:02others have wanted to know why why their
- 1:23:05loved ones were victims and now they
- 1:23:08know it was one man's inability to
- 1:23:10control his sexual fantasies one man's
- 1:23:13depraved indifference to human life and
- 1:23:16terrible coincidence for 10 innocent
- 1:23:18people who were caught in Dennis
- 1:23:20Raider's murderous web I keep seeing
- 1:23:24these Vic I keep seeing these people
- 1:23:26that he tortured and murdered and killed
- 1:23:29and and I just look at him in wonderment
- 1:23:34thinking how can someone just stand
- 1:23:36there and talk like we just had lunch
- 1:23:37and had a sandwich or something and just
- 1:23:39go on with it he he just evil evil
- 1:23:43[Music]
- 1:23:49personified that's all for now I'm Stone
- 1:23:51Phillips for an Curry and all of us in
- 1:23:53NBC News thanks for watching
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